บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ The Buzz | Chloe Adriana - Sexologist

spend all my money and just go. 00:06:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, 100%. And so you didn't really necessarily know how long you were going to be away for. You just pack your bag and don't know when I'm coming back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:06:24 Speaker 1: And you know, like with big things like that in life, there's often moments where you, um, 00:06:30 Speaker 1: well, you're inclined to go to psychologists, counselors, psychotherapists, all that sort of thing. So, was that part of your mix or did you just feel like you needed to do that kind of self discovery first? 00:06:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. So I did start seeing a psychologist. It was actually my bless my mom. She's so amazing. She, through her work was able to, um, have me seeing someone but it was at that time, like, I'd never, I didn't have any friends who were seeing psychologists. It was like, quite 00:06:59 Speaker 2: intense me and I would say she wasn't 00:07:02 Speaker 2: a massively aligned but it was still good to just, it's one of uh an offer that I love uh on psychology says you can get more, 00:07:13 Speaker 2: you will get something from speaking to a lamp post every week, like once a week, then just saying nothing to no one that it was, it was great for me to start moving. But nowadays, like I recommend clients if shop around, like shop around for who is going to be your therapist or your coach. Um And I, I didn't shop but it was, it was still definitely the beginning of having some sort of support. Yeah. 00:07:41 Speaker 1: So then, you know, Africa Europe sparked obviously a major transformation in your, in your life. What was it about the experience that led you to discover this next path? 00:07:54 Speaker 2: Well, in this community in Sweden, which I, yeah, love. There's just workshops and retreats going on constantly. And I literally was going to at least like three self development workshops a day, nonviolent communication, tantra 00:08:07 Speaker 2: um authentic relating or just soaking up information. Um Whilst also they'd asked me to teach in the local primary school because I found out I was a teacher. Um And so I was teaching the kids there and then coming back to the community and studying these things. And eventually I was like, I think I can run a workshop. So I started running a few, like, 00:08:30 Speaker 2: I'd always been interested in sexuality and I'd always been that friend that people would come to, to ask questions or to share like that. I had a blog that I wrote about my sex life. Um That was an anonymous blog because I couldn't with like my teacher identity. Absolutely. I was like, oh 00:08:52 Speaker 2: um so I was like, maybe I can like, run a, like a little workshop. And I just realized after having done that, I felt the energy, I would say that I felt like how much joy and like satisfaction 00:09:05 Speaker 2: I felt in doing that compared to the, the teaching of Children, which was lovely. But it wasn't anything compared to the

like I felt alive. Like I felt like I'm, this is the thing like this is it, 00:09:18 Speaker 1: this is what they talk about. Yeah. 00:09:21 Speaker 1: And then I just, 00:09:22 Speaker 2: I didn't know it could be a career. Actually, I've never heard of a sexologist and um I call myself a somatic sexologist. So it's more like body based. Um 00:09:33 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I discovered that there you can be and a, a course popped up and I flew home to Australia so that I could make some money and afford to do it 00:09:42 Speaker 1: doing something that you love. Yeah. Amazing. So, ok, so then your blog Tales of a wanna be redhead? Is that the blog you're talking about? The anonymous? Yeah, because there were personal stories and adventures in there. Um 00:09:59 Speaker 1: And yeah, my question was going to be, how did you, you know, write publicly, you know, but then obviously there was anonyminity to it once you became, you know, who you are and stepped into, into your field, have you turned off that anonymity or are you, 00:10:15 Speaker 2: it was a massive, massive process for me. Um, I don't know if you've ever, like, kind of heard about, you know, the witch hunts. Yeah. And like that of the feeling of being persecuted for, like, 00:10:31 Speaker 2: being like a healer or working with like the, the moon cycles of the moon or the, that's what it felt like. I felt like I was gonna be burnt at the stake if like, someone found out what that I was a teacher. And this like I was scared like to my bones and my mom and my family, like I was starting to speak a bit more publicly about my learnings and people like you can't do this like coming out and 00:10:56 Speaker 2: um and actually had an amazing conversation with my mom and was like, you ha this is like where I'm heading now and you're gonna have to support me or I can't share a lot of myself with you going forward and she's one of my number one like allies now and advocates. Um Yeah. 00:11:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just, I did decide like I can't hide. It doesn't, I mean a whole part of what I teach is people accepting fully who they are. 00:11:22 Speaker 1: Well, that's it. So I bet you had a lot of drop off. Did you have drop off luck of friends or did your circle 00:11:28 Speaker 1: change? 00:11:29 Speaker 2: Oh Yeah. My circle completely changed. I had a Yeah, I lost some really good friends like um I still don't have in my life, which, you know, that still does cause some grief. Um 00:11:41 Speaker 2: But also, you know, there's a lot of people who I can see that they still watch my things or like, look, but they'd never engage. But occasionally I have run into some of them and they've said, like, your work is amazing. Like that's really profound. And I'm like, oh, you do resonate with it and you just, it's, it's vulnerable for some people to comment on and acknowledge that they're reading my work. Yeah, 00:12:03 Speaker 1: 100%. Yeah. 00:12:05 Speaker 1: I think, you know, this, you know, podcast is, is about, you know, giving people inspiration and motivation to move towards their passion to take that leap and, and often it's, it's in that entrepreneurial space where they're moving, you know, in, from, from corporate and jumping into working for themselves. I mean, yours is next level because not only are you jumping from that safe, you know, primary school teaching environment into this, you know, new and 00:12:31 Speaker 1: almost taboo, you know, kind of taboo, 00:12:34 Speaker 1: what are 00:12:34 Speaker 1: some pearls of wisdom that you, you know, could share with the listener who's looking at making what can be perceived as a really bold move in their lives 00:12:45 Speaker 2: and you don't have to go so fast. I'm a very fast, like intense person. The, the shift that I did was like, boom, like very big. It doesn't have to be 00:12:55 Speaker 2: like that. Like just going slowly as, I mean, I work with the nervous system. So, like, as much as your nervous system can handle, which means, like, your zone of tolerance. Um, 00:13:06 Speaker 1: how do you 00:13:06 Speaker 1: know that though? Because sometimes you push through and then the adrenaline kicks in and you're in a world of grief months down the track. 00:13:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:13:13 Speaker 2: Well, did I get here? Totally. Maybe, like, beginning with, like, a safe, safe network. Like, if you have a 00:13:20 Speaker 2: messenger group or a small smaller network of people who you can share the new work with and then like, gently widen the circle, I think, going straight on to Facebook or Instagram, which is what a lot of people do can be 00:13:33 Speaker 2: intense. Um maybe more privately kind of sharing. But also I love to just talk about growing like your spine, the people who are going to judge you or not resonate or talk behind your back or whatever it is like they were never aligned in your life anyway. And it can be a service that you show up who you are and the masks come off of who's really gonna be there for you because the people who are now like closest in my life, like they're 00:14:02 Speaker 2: epically incredible, more like more aligned I would say than anyone had ever been before. 00:14:07 Speaker 1: So, 00:14:09 Speaker 1: so that, you know, analogy of jumping off a cliff, really, really, really like jump off the cliff but you know, pull your shoe and yeah, 00:14:17 Speaker 2: it's, 00:14:18 Speaker 2: it's a delicate balance. Like how, like how can you do as much preparation before jumping off the cliff? And then at some point you will, you will have to do it. I do recommend people though. How do you talk about this in your podcast when people are jumping in to like, have a foot? Keep the other thing 00:14:37 Speaker 2: like it, a lot of people think they have to like and cancel the other thing and go all in. I actually don't think that's a great idea because then you end up putting pressure and stress onto

the new endeavor to make you money and the passion ends up becoming 00:14:56 Speaker 2: stressful. 00:14:56 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:14:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. And it moves from passion to duty. Yeah. And stress. Yeah. 00:15:02 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. OK. Great. So, um the Pussy Queen Academy, it's a very bold and empowering name, isn't it? How did you, what inspired it? And how does it encapsulate, 00:15:16 Speaker 1: you know, the essence of your work? 00:15:18 Speaker 2: Well, I love teaching people about um intimacy with themselves, with pleasure. Um I'm very inspired by the teacher Mama Gina who I even just referenced before. Um Regina Thomas. Sure. She's written the book Pussy, a reclamation and in that she goes very deep into why that word. It's so challenging for a lot of people. But um 00:15:42 Speaker 2: well, the vagina is only anatomically incorrect for describing the whole region of the female genitalia. Uh The vulva would be a word for that. Encapsulates the whole um as in the entire thing, not the whole, the vagina is the whole, got it. Um The Yoni is a beautiful name but it Sanskrit. Um So it's not like native English tongue. It does mean um what does it mean? Temple of 00:16:12 Speaker 2: the temple to the divine or something? Which is gorgeous. Um Very gorgeous. Yeah. And, but she speaks into like pussy when I love to say if people say to themselves, pussy, pussy again and again and whisper it. You almost always have a smile like I can see you smiling right now like it makes you smile. And there's a lot of people who 00:16:30 Speaker 2: we were like no, like it's been taken from us because of pornography and I, and I do totally understand that but it's a reclamation like we get to choose. So yeah, it's a bit audacious. I have to put dollar symbols when I write it online because it gets picked up by Facebook and Instagram and for me, 00:16:49 Speaker 1: wow. OK. 00:16:50 Speaker 2: But I'm, I'm committed. Yeah, 00:16:52 Speaker 1: 100%. 100%. And you obviously helped hundreds of, of women reclaim their sexuality and self worth. What are some of the most common issues you see women struggling with when they first come to you? And how do you help them move through those challenges? 00:17:09 Speaker 2: Not really being in their body, like not really feeling comfortable and safe to dance freely, to be naked and confident in their naked body to lots. Don't know how to pleasure themselves. They just kind of expect that other people are responsible for their pleasure. Whereas it's you are responsible for your pleasure, like you are the orgasm I say like you just have to learn how to open to it 00:17:34 Speaker 2: um and to receive. So yeah, that would be some of the main issues I see with people so much self judgment around their body, around being worthy of receiving love and pleasure or going for a business that they really, really want and self worth. Um And self esteem is insidious like in our culture. Um So that's, yeah,

definitely the main things that I see more people settling, like really settling in their work in their relationships in their sex life. Um 00:18:04 Speaker 2: and just thinking that that's what it has to be and that's what it will be and that makes me cry. I'm like, fuck no 00:18:11 Speaker 1: 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It sort of, it really kills the joy, doesn't it? 00:18:19 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. Can you um explain. So I guess what, what do you, so what do you do? Like, I mean, can you just share, I guess some elements of some of the work that you do to help unlock that 00:18:34 Speaker 2: I can try a bit. But a lot of my work is mystery work. I don't know if you heard like feminine Mysteries, a lot of it, if I would say it will be completely out of context. But teaching people to breathe, to like breathe or so many of us only chest 00:18:49 Speaker 2: if you need to breathe all the way down to your belly, in order to be able to be connected to your pleasure, even be able to move in, in move in their body. I teach people a lot about dance and about free movement and about sensual movement. Um teaching people authentic communication, 00:19:06 Speaker 2: um eye gazing, being able to speak your truth. I teach a lot of people about this beautiful practice in my community called sharing where um and this is so intense for a lot of people. When they come to workshops, I'll end up popping you in a group, 00:19:21 Speaker 2: group of four or five and each person has five minutes where they will just speak and no one else will speak. You will just share what is happening in your heart. Um And, you know, we can speak back and forth at a cafe for hours with our friends. But 00:19:37 Speaker 2: for so many women, when they just have that spotlight and they just have to speak. It's so hard for them to take up that space. Um And a lot will like cut themselves off after a minute usually. And they have to develop the muscle of feeling. I can keep speaking and just share what's going on because there's a lot going on. 00:19:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, 100% 100%. 00:19:59 Speaker 1: So, 00:20:01 Speaker 1: you know, sex and self pleasure are obviously, there's still taboo around it in, in many parts of the world. What strategies do you use to help your clients and the broader public break down those stigmas? 00:20:13 Speaker 2: I think II I really show case it in myself like um living, I, I think a very pleasure filled life. Like I usually feel myself dancing every morning or like giving myself a beautiful massage. I can't feel myself giving myself a breast massage but like just like 00:20:30 Speaker 2: kind of inviting and then also inviting my, have a private like telegram group where we can share more um publicly videos and photos of ourselves. Like so many women, like when they start to feel empowered, want to have like a beautiful naked photo of themselves and be celebrated. Um In that a community would be that my main way of um 00:20:50 Speaker 2: building like the strength of of this work is they don't need to always be working with me. Like once they've made really strong sisters, they'll usually go off and they'll go to festivals together and other retreats. And that makes me happy. Like it's just about like spreading this work and community is the strongest way. I think it's a culture. It's kind of like a cultural movement I would say. 00:21:15 Speaker 1: And this is actually quite a nice segue to my next question because I was, you know, we, we talk a lot about purpose right on the bus and, and for you, I guess what is the core mission driving your academy and, and how do you keep that at the center of everything you do? 00:21:32 Speaker 2: Hm. I think love, like corny as it may seem. I'm so devoted to love and love. For me includes sexuality and pleasure. We're all here because of sex. Um, unless, well, some people not, I guess these days of IVF, but most of us more or less 00:21:51 Speaker 2: but like, love is, yeah, for me, as a, you know, somewhat spiritual person is like the strongest force like on earth. And I don't think that you can be fully inhabiting like a life of love if you're not accepting your body, your worth, um your pleasure, that of your friends, that of your mothers um and all the people around you. So that, that really keeps me going. 00:22:15 Speaker 1: Yeah. Amazing. 00:22:17 Speaker 1: So, you know, you, you've shared your work and, and your own journey of, of reclaiming that self worth. How have your personal experiences shaped the way you approach your coaching, practice 00:22:30 Speaker 2: so many different ways that I, I do, I it gets reflected to me a lot like I am living like what I'm teaching a lot, but also surrounding myself. I go to a lot of trainings like I love to study with best teachers in my field and 00:22:47 Speaker 2: I'm having my one lived experience, but there's so many different ways like that people are experiencing it. So a lot of my work is also rooted in Taoism, which as someone who I mentioned at the start can be really fast. The dow is really a 00:23:02 Speaker 2: like slowness. Um And like, you know, the strongest tree didn't just grow overnight. It's, it's slow. So I think actually I would say a few years ago, I was probably also more fast as a coach of like, 00:23:17 Speaker 2: you know, the marketing that you can see like transform your life in eight weeks and two days cosmopolitan like 39 positions. And yeah, it's a bit cringe, but I'll admit that I kind of bought into that for a while, but I'm just really living and, and seeing in my clients and in myself like that deep, 00:23:42 Speaker 2: deep change like happens slowly because it took a long time for us to get to the patterns and behaviors that we're in. Um but it happened slowly as even a small change can feel massive. So that's, it doesn't need to like happen overnight. So I'm really interested these days in working with clients who are committed long

term to really embodying like long lasting change in their lives and not 00:24:08 Speaker 2: putting the pressure of I need, I just want to have an orgasm. Now, I just wanna like 00:24:13 Speaker 1: that real achievement and instant gratification. It's 00:24:17 Speaker 2: part of our society. I need it now, now now and I, I'm not into it anymore and just go slow. 00:24:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, great. I guess, you know, we, we spoke a bit earlier about, you know, your circle and, and, and a big personal challenge was coming out and saying this is, you know, this is what I do. Um 00:24:37 Speaker 1: You've obviously overcome that, 00:24:40 Speaker 1: have they impacted the way that you work with others now? Like, is that still something that you, um, are very mindful of? Or you 00:24:52 Speaker 1: just 00:24:53 Speaker 2: like in saying what I do? Um No, I just kind of own it. Like I, I sometimes have vulnerability hangovers um, with sharing something and, and actually I have learned to, I think younger I would share everything and I'm learning to like some things are for me. Yeah. Yeah. So some things are just like I had a previous partner actually say like 00:25:21 Speaker 2: you wrote about like something I didn't name him or anything, but he just knew that it was about us. And he's like, I didn't like that. You did that. And that was a really good lesson for me. I was like, OK, not everything is like a 00:25:32 Speaker 2: marketing like experience in my life like what is sacred and what is just for me versus what is like a beautiful lesson and I feel wants to be shared. It's a kind of I'm always dancing the edge of that one if you have an experience like that. But 00:25:50 Speaker 1: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. So 00:25:55 Speaker 1: at this part in your journey, now, what would have, what would have been nice to know at the very beginning of your journey. 00:26:04 Speaker 1: Looking back, 00:26:05 Speaker 2: you're gonna do great like you're gonna do so well. Um 00:26:13 Speaker 2: let yourself be supported by people. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: I mean, I became organized anyway, but like focus on organization. That's been a massive 00:26:24 Speaker 2: assistant to my growth. Um 00:26:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, and go slow. It's not a race that you're in this for the long haul. So you don't need to race to some kind of finish line. That's not a finish line. Um Just enjoy your life while you do it. Um 00:26:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, invest in yourself and your self care as well. 00:26:46 Speaker 1: And I think that's a really, that those are really awesome messages for that entrepreneurial life too, right? Because I think sometimes you, people think they have to, like you say, they have to jump in, they have to make it happen really quick. They have to, you know, be super successful, they have to. But I think um yeah, there's a lot to be said for that slow growing tree and also investing in yourself. I think that's really important too in the entrepreneur space, you know, making sure that, 00:27:16 Speaker 1: that you're investing in yourself to give yourself the best 00:27:19 Speaker 1: chance. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, working with mentors. Um 00:27:22 Speaker 2: like I'm not usually a figures person, but I've been really learning like to understand numbers much more emotionally intelligent than like like numbers literacy. And I've seen that I've actually doubled my revenue every year for the past four years. 00:27:38 Speaker 1: Well 00:27:39 Speaker 1: done. Congratulations. That's 00:27:41 Speaker 2: it. I was like, wow. 00:27:43 Speaker 1: And 00:27:44 Speaker 1: how have you done 00:27:44 Speaker 1: that? 00:27:45 Speaker 2: Working with business coaches? Yeah, like, I've worked with some exceptional 00:27:49 Speaker 1: coaches 00:27:50 Speaker 1: or 00:27:51 Speaker 2: I've worked with coaches, uh, business coaches who are also somatic based. So they'll teach you like logistic things. But they'll also teach me to, like, be in your body and read because that's important to me. 00:28:02 Speaker 1: And I think that's really important. Yeah, that's really important. I think that's, that's the gap that's often missed. Is that, um, that, uh, emotional pace? 00:28:14 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I have a program like, coming up soon and 00:28:18 Speaker 2: I have been like, oh, the numbers aren't what I thought they would be. I've been, you know, doing so much work behind the scenes and the writing and the posting and my friend, you know, also an entrepreneur said to me, yeah. But have you been doing any magic? Have you been doing any embodiment? And I was like, no. So I got out, I got a, bought a rose and I lay down like a petal for each person. I wanted to manifest like into the circle for the, 00:28:44 Speaker 2: for the workshop and like, say a little prayer, had a little dance and I woke up the next morning and two more people had signed up. I was like, oh, yeah, I just have to like, come out of my head and also just like, do my witchy things. 00:28:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. And I think, yeah, that's, 00:29:01 Speaker 1: that's so important, isn't it? To 00:29:02 Speaker 2: just read what the intention? What's 00:29:05 Speaker 1: the intention? And I think every business owner should do that. Absolutely. They should absolutely do that. Set the intention. 00:29:12 Speaker 2: It can just be a vision board or it doesn't have to be like, you know, roses. It could be 00:29:16 Speaker 1: 100%. And, you know, it can also just be, um, goal setting, right, and break those goals down. And it's, and it's goal setting and that, 00:29:27 Speaker 1: that direction pa is a key part of your motivation because when you've got direction, you've got motivation and that keeps it keeps you 00:29:36 Speaker 1: going. 00:29:36 Speaker 2: Absolutely. There's a really cool practice called sex magic, which is the ultimate manifestation practice. It's like you write down the goal, then

you do a self pleasure session on the goal, like visualizing it happening and then afterwards you write down all the action steps that you need to take, like, 00:29:55 Speaker 1: listen, 00:29:57 Speaker 1: get on board. I love that. Great 00:30:00 Speaker 2: pleasure is a creative force. 00:30:03 Speaker 1: So then we come down to, you know, measures of success. Often we talk about what measures are success and they're all different for different businesses in different stages of business. What would you say your measures of success were when you started and where they are now, 00:30:21 Speaker 2: I'm now at the point where I can almost entirely just live off my 00:30:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, business. If in a year, I mean, that's I have for the last two years. Occasionally I take like little other jobs but mostly I just 00:30:35 Speaker 2: sustain myself with my business. That feels enormous. Yeah. Absolutely. Still go overseas and do other things. Um Also like my self care, I think that that is a really big measure of success is that I can still go and get my hair done and you know, take care of yourself. It depends on the type of person you are. But I notice like 00:30:57 Speaker 2: I'm Irish, we have more of a like, you know, hold on to your money to be able to let your, 00:31:05 Speaker 2: your business support your self care as well. Feels like a success to me. And 00:31:11 Speaker 1: I 00:31:11 Speaker 1: think that's also AAA really great um thing for any business owner is to carve out that time, you know, carve out that time and carve out those rewards, right? Because that's reward like 00:31:25 Speaker 1: a reward for me is getting a blow wave every Thursday. Um You know, like that, that's, that's my reward for, you know, working the kind of hours that you need to work business off the ground and, and it's 00:31:37 Speaker 2: Thursday today and your hair looks great. So, no, really, otherwise, 00:31:44 Speaker 2: like the, the goalpost is never in end, like you're just constantly going 100 00:31:49 Speaker 1: percent and you're never really satisfied either. And that's really important is, isn't it, is to like, be grounded and be really grateful and satisfied with how far 00:32:00 Speaker 1: you've got? 00:32:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I think that makes me think of another like 00:32:05 Speaker 2: measure of success is like having community. I did find starting off in entrepreneurship. It's, it can be lonely. It's a very, it's a self driven thing 00:32:16 Speaker 1: and especially, I, I, you know, I don't mean to keep bringing it back but it is a really unique field that you're in and, you know, you go to a B and I networking group and you ain't gonna find someone in your trade at the end of the day, 00:32:30 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it can be lonely anyway, let alone. Yeah. So, how have 00:32:35 Speaker 1: you? 00:32:36 Speaker 2: Well, I'm such a yeah, community person that I've like created the group chats, like with uh like all the women who do my work. Um We recently I was presenting at a festival and I like organized us to all camp together, all the women doing sexuality. And it was so amazing because like 00:32:53 Speaker 2: Lydia's doing becoming all multi-orgasmic. My other friend's doing sacred slut. I'm doing like seasons of pleasure and we're all taking each other's photos and we're all like supporting each other. And yeah, it just felt really nourishing to have that support. So like if you're not the person who's the group starter, like find someone that is in your industry. Um But I also really enjoy being connected to my entrepreneurial friends who are not exactly in my 00:33:22 Speaker 2: um my genius of work because it's nice to have like, we actually have a group with four friends and we like, reflect to each other, like what we're seeing in each other's businesses, what we're celebrating, keep each other accountable for doing the celebrations. Like, have you treated yourself recently, like working really hard and that's important as well. 00:33:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, super 00:33:44 Speaker 1: important. I've actually just joined an entrepreneurial group back in, in August. And you know, I'm 00:33:50 Speaker 1: connecting with, you know, 23 of them every day. And it's so nice because there's that accountability piece which is part of, you know, community, which again is another key driver in the, in the motivation piece, right? I believe this, I've got this motivation theory around um direction, routine and 00:34:14 Speaker 1: connection, how they all, you know, are crucial to, to 00:34:18 Speaker 2: totally direction regine connection. 00:34:21 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Um So I think, yeah, again, it's that it's that piece of finding your tribe, right? Finding your circle and having people in a different industry is also really great because they can reflect back to you, you know, questions. Well, why do you do it that way? And 00:34:40 Speaker 1: that makes you think? Yeah. 00:34:42 Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah. I've got a friend who's a few friends that are in so not my industry at all. And it's like they've given me some of the best feedback because they have more of a bird's eye view and they're not like emotionally invested in um Yeah, in the field, like the way that others who do what I do are. 00:35:00 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I love it. 00:35:04 Speaker 1: So, you know, for, we spoke about, for listeners who, you know, I might, might be starting off in a new space. What about listeners who are, you know, in the space, but they might have lost their motivation a bit. We've talked about my motivation. But what about you? Like, what advice would you give to someone who is kind of losing their business mojo and, and needed a bit of a perk up. Not 00:35:30 Speaker 2: so fair enough. I mean, 00:35:32 Speaker 2: season I really believe in like, the cyclic nature of like, things in life. Like you might be just

having a winter, um, with that and, and that's ok because after winter, like spring does always come. But you have to really, like, 00:35:46 Speaker 2: I would say, listen, like, what is this winter asking you? Do you actually need a break? Like, do you actually need to like fully pause everything? And I just went up the coast for six weeks and like paused, you know, a lot of what I've had on my plate and I feel so recharged, like, maybe you just need to step off the treadmill for reals, like for a bit and come back with fresh inspiration. Um 00:36:09 Speaker 2: And yeah, sitcom return to the intention. Like, why are you actually doing this? Because I think the intention can get lost when 00:36:16 Speaker 2: we're just doing admin and all the other things. And I was like, what, why, why am I doing this? Like, and, and ask is that still good enough a reason for me to be doing this? And if it's a no, then maybe it is time for it to be shifted and die. But if it's a yes, then, 00:36:34 Speaker 2: yeah, it will come back out of the winter into spring. You just need to nourish and what do we do in winter? We rest, we just let it go and 00:36:42 Speaker 2: allow us of space to come back with energy and motivation. 00:36:47 Speaker 1: And I think, and amongst all of that is trusting the process. Right. Trusting, which is a very 00:36:55 Speaker 1: tough one. 00:36:56 Speaker 2: It's very hard. The mystery is so such a motherfucker. 00:37:02 Speaker 1: Oh Yeah. Oh 00:37:04 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, 00:37:05 Speaker 2: the mystery. 00:37:07 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Chloe, you're such a force of self love. You're, you're like so calm and cool and you've got this amazing energy. But you can see there's like so much determination and, and force behind what you, what you do. And I know our listeners are going to take away a lot more, 00:37:25 Speaker 1: you know, than they were attending to from today's episode. So I really 00:37:30 Speaker 2: appreciate. Thank you. I also really enjoy your calm and very deep wealth of knowledge and holding space. 00:37:37 Speaker 1: That's my pleasure. Thank you. Are there any parting words that you could give uh a listener who is in that entrepreneurial space? Logging it out? What would, what's your, what's your parting pears of wisdom, 00:37:53 Speaker 2: include self pleasure in your business. The best ideas that you will have will come after a nice beautiful breast massage or session with your dildo or laying in the sun naked, whatever like much more juicy eyes will. Ideas will come from you than slogging over your laptop for hours and hours and not having a break. 00:38:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. OK. I love that. Good, good, good, good way to finish. Good way to finish. So as we wrap up, what's next for you? Tell us what you're up to 00:38:24 Speaker 1: next. 00:38:25 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm running my circle. Pussy Palace this Sunday. I'm running embodying the queen within a training. I'm running my retreat in next retreat in February. I'm gonna run a six month mentorship for people wanting to deepen into self love. And I'm probably gonna be taking my retreat to Europe. Um You wanna see my granny as well? 00:38:44 Speaker 1: Very exciting. That's really exciting. What about someone who's, you know, on their own journey of personal growth and, and self discovery and changing up direction? 00:38:56 Speaker 2: Well, 00:38:56 Speaker 2: I'll just say the same thing in a different way, like include self pleasure in your life. I really see it as such a missing piece of people's life. Um Pleasure is self care. It's a way to nourish yourself. Um 00:39:12 Speaker 2: And, and connect to your heart as well because especially in, are you listeners, mostly women or all genders, 00:39:19 Speaker 1: there's a bit 00:39:20 Speaker 1: of combination, a couple of genders 00:39:24 Speaker 2: either way like connecting to your like, I think that pleasure is connects us to our heart and to the softness inside of ourselves. So keep that on the menu. Lots of people forget about it 00:39:38 Speaker 1: and I guess what might be nice to know if that seems so foreign for someone if they're listening to and, and they just seem so far away from that. What are some sort of bridging steps that, you know? 00:39:51 Speaker 2: Well, in my example, you know, I said laying the sun pleasure often think it has to be genital based. It doesn't like what just gives you pleasure, like, 00:40:00 Speaker 2: um, buying yourself an ice cream and like, just sitting down and not touching your phone and just eating it and just like enjoying the sensations for that full 10 minutes that you eat it or five minutes or two, whatever it takes like pleasure is actually available to us every single day, like 00:40:21 Speaker 2: driving in the car and realizing you're tense and like, how can you just soften your legs and like be more at, at ease in your body, at your gym class? How can you like notice when I put down the weights? It feels like, oh, that feels so nice. Like just bringing more awareness of the pleasure that's there all the time in our lives. 00:40:41 Speaker 1: You're 00:40:41 Speaker 1: so right. I love that. Just that presence to all the little things. 00:40:47 Speaker 2: Hey, that's tant. Really? That's what Tres about. Yeah, 00:40:51 Speaker 1: God, some people have got it so wrong, haven't they? 00:40:55 Speaker 1: I love that Chloe. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for joining us today. Your insights and openness have been so refreshing. Um And yeah, I know our audience is gonna appreciate um all that you've said and hopefully walk away, feeling empowered to embrace their authentic selves or at least have some tips and tricks to get them there. So, thanks so much. Thank you so much for having me. 00:41:22 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us here on the Buzz for episode highlights and nuggets of inspiration to keep you motivated in your business. Head to Karen Hart Buzz on Instagram. This podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I would love it if you could subscribe, rate, comment and of course, share the buzz.