บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Douglas Greig - Greig Performance Shooting

00:04:05.989 But essentially it's an intermediate handgun class. 00:04:06.019 --> 00:04:06.438 Nice. 00:04:06.739 --> 00:04:07.789 That's a one day class, right? 00:04:07.799 --> 00:04:08.079 Yep. 00:04:09.500 --> 00:04:15.629 So I guess, uh, if you want to just kind of dive into, tell us a little bit of your backstory and how you got started in this. 00:04:15.669 --> 00:04:15.900 Sure. 00:04:15.900 --> 00:04:19.889 We were chatting a little bit before, and it sounds like you've done a variety of things over the years. 00:04:19.930 --> 00:04:20.519 I have. 00:04:20.550 --> 00:04:28.939 Um, so the one that kind of got me into this field was I did 24 years in the military, did it in the army, uh, half national guard, half active duty. 00:04:29.430 --> 00:04:34.370 And, uh, when I retired, uh, I was trying to figure out what I was going to do with myself. 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:41.389 So I picked up, I didn't even get into firearms really until after I retired and did a couple local matches and things like that. 00:04:41.389 --> 00:04:45.949 And just like most guys, like I'm a combat veteran, I'm going to go out there and show these guys how to do it. 00:04:45.949 --> 00:04:48.968 And I got my ass handed to me and everything I did. 00:04:48.968 --> 00:04:51.269 And I was like, I, Don't know what I'm doing. 00:04:51.798 --> 00:04:57.548 Uh, fortunately where I lived up in Vermont, um, we had six hour academy right over the next state. 00:04:58.048 --> 00:05:07.098 So after sucking for a year at shooting, uh, I wanted to figure out how can I get better and how can I do this as cheap as possible? 00:05:07.678 --> 00:05:17.439 Well, At that point, I was going through the VA process and I was going through voc rehab and I went to my counselor and I said, Hey, I want to become a firearms instructor. 00:05:17.649 --> 00:05:19.918 And she literally said, is that a real job? 00:05:21.718 --> 00:05:22.918 Yeah, yeah, it is. 00:05:23.288 --> 00:05:24.668 So she's, well, where are you going to go? 00:05:24.668 --> 00:05:28.540 So I said, I'd like to go over to SIG Academy, uh, talk to them over there. 00:05:28.699 --> 00:05:32.548 I essentially went there for almost three years on my GI bill. 00:05:32.678 --> 00:05:33.180 Oh, wow. 00:05:33.310 --> 00:05:34.029 So I didn't pay. 00:05:34.048 --> 00:05:35.968 The only thing I ended up paying for was just my ammo. 00:05:36.035 --> 00:05:40.514 Um, excuse me, my firearm, they paid for everything else for all that time. 00:05:41.615 --> 00:05:43.654 You can't anymore because I broke it. 00:05:45.365 --> 00:05:45.744 I did. 00:05:45.744 --> 00:05:46.252 I broke the system. 00:05:46.252 --> 00:05:46.915 You ruined it for everybody. 00:05:46.925 --> 00:05:47.535 Yeah, I did. 00:05:47.694 --> 00:05:48.975 So Doug's the one that ruined it for everybody. 00:05:49.134 --> 00:05:49.454 So yeah. 00:05:50.163 --> 00:05:50.884 Uh, right. 00:05:50.944 --> 00:05:59.675 Just as I was finishing up, uh, with all the instructor courses, they were, my, my counselor was replaced with somebody else who went, what are you doing? 00:06:00.305 --> 00:06:03.014 And how much did we pay for all this so far? 00:06:03.524 --> 00:06:06.720 And I let them know and they're like, Yeah, we can't do this. 00:06:06.970 --> 00:06:08.139 This is not okay. 00:06:08.310 --> 00:06:08.550 Hmm. 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:22.954 Uh, so, uh, Essentially, you can still do just the instructor courses, but I had it so I could do every course they had and Yeah, so I finished up with that there and how many classes do you think you took like in total if you had it? 00:06:23.334 --> 00:06:33.584 At just a SIG or total or just a SIG, you know Oh, I've got close to 30 classes just there and I've got five of their instructor Certifications as well. 00:06:34.035 --> 00:06:38.060 So they kind of really laid the foundation of You what I wanted to do. 00:06:38.069 --> 00:06:48.060 Like, so I started out just wanting to really just learn how to shoot better during my time there and interacting with their instructors and seeing how they do things. 00:06:48.329 --> 00:06:50.040 I was like, these guys are cool. 00:06:50.189 --> 00:06:52.259 Uh, this is, this is, I want to be like that. 00:06:52.718 --> 00:07:01.060 And uh, cause I had always had that mental image of a firearms instructor, especially from military background, just yelling at you very strict. 00:07:01.060 --> 00:07:02.750 You're just going to go out and run a bunch of drills and come back. 00:07:02.750 --> 00:07:04.490 And, and it was just very regimented. 00:07:04.490 --> 00:07:05.968 And these guys were like, Hey, how's it going? 00:07:05.970 --> 00:07:07.834 I'm like, nervous. 00:07:08.274 --> 00:07:11.324 And, uh, like, yeah, come on, we're going to just teach you how to do this today. 00:07:11.345 --> 00:07:12.834 And it was just very personable. 00:07:13.295 --> 00:07:14.074 Uh, it was great. 00:07:14.084 --> 00:07:16.545 And I said, when I left, that's what I want to be like. 00:07:16.555 --> 00:07:18.093 I want to teach just like those guys. 00:07:18.665 --> 00:07:20.435 And it's just, it's taken off from there. 00:07:20.444 --> 00:07:23.894 And that was in 2015 I finished that up. 00:07:23.894 --> 00:07:24.625 So yeah. 00:07:26.314 --> 00:07:26.673 Cool. 00:07:26.995 --> 00:07:28.384 Did, are you still in Vermont? 00:07:28.865 --> 00:07:29.384 No, no. 00:07:29.384 --> 00:07:31.165 I've lived here for the last five years. 00:07:31.214 --> 00:07:31.485 Okay. 00:07:31.514 --> 00:07:35.925 Um, my son, uh, and my daughter from my first marriage, they grew up down here. 00:07:36.214 --> 00:07:41.274 So, uh, My current wife and I five years ago, but she's military retired as well. 00:07:41.675 --> 00:07:44.163 We're like, what are we still doing up here? 00:07:44.185 --> 00:07:46.675 It's cold and expensive and socialist. 00:07:46.805 --> 00:08:02.454 Yeah, so we packed up our stuff and came down here and What was it was a bit of an eye opener for

me, especially in this field up there I didn't really have much competition as far as my background, the training I had. 00:08:02.454 --> 00:08:03.875 So I was teaching competition. 00:08:03.875 --> 00:08:08.764 I was teaching, uh, let's, let's throw on your kit and let's go run around vehicles and things like that. 00:08:09.144 --> 00:08:13.473 Uh, I came down here expecting to be able to teach the same things. 00:08:14.954 --> 00:08:15.913 Did not happen. 00:08:16.514 --> 00:08:19.814 Um, as you can see, I don't have the tactical beard. 00:08:19.814 --> 00:08:23.125 I don't have tattoos up and down my arms. 00:08:23.154 --> 00:08:27.154 I don't have a Delta Ranger seal sniper after my last name. 00:08:27.545 --> 00:08:30.764 So even though I could teach those things, I had the training in it. 00:08:30.774 --> 00:08:31.154 Nobody. 00:08:31.735 --> 00:08:38.355 Looked at me as somebody who could teach those so I met up with a guy by the name of Carl Renn Mm hmm. 00:08:38.355 --> 00:08:52.389 I don't if you guys know I don't care training He had me send him like I reached out to him said send me your resume Let me see if you're worth spending my time with sent to my resume He called me right back and said when he when can you come down here and shoot? 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:53.889 I just want to see what you can shoot. 00:08:54.220 --> 00:08:54.799 I came down. 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:57.799 He immediately says, all right, you want to be one of my instructors? 00:08:57.919 --> 00:08:58.610 That's fantastic. 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:01.529 So I've been teaching for him since I moved down here. 00:09:02.139 --> 00:09:05.639 Since then, uh, you know, continued training on my own, things like that. 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.808 But right now I currently teach for Carl. 00:09:08.198 --> 00:09:13.899 I teach for a company called Palisade Training Group out of Dallas, uh, primary church security and private security, that type of stuff. 00:09:14.330 --> 00:09:19.620 Um, I'm an instructor for TEEX for their, uh, uh, protective services division. 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:20.869 And then I have my own company. 00:09:21.580 --> 00:09:23.129 So, I'm a little busy teaching right now. 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:24.179 That's a lot of stuff. 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:24.659 Yeah. 00:09:24.990 --> 00:09:29.070 So you mainly just travel like around those, that, these regions in Texas or? 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:34.820 Yeah, uh, I've made it as far north as, as Longview and then up Wichita Falls up that way. 00:09:34.859 --> 00:09:37.259 Uh, I've taught up in Oklahoma a couple times now. 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:40.779 Uh, all the way down to the Galveston area. 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:43.409 So, yeah, and then as wide as I can go. 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:43.620 Yeah. 00:09:43.620 --> 00:09:44.109 Yeah. 00:09:45.460 --> 00:09:46.470 Yeah, Carl's a good dude. 00:09:46.500 --> 00:09:48.320 I've, I've talked to him multiple times. 00:09:48.659 --> 00:09:57.490 We actually, at a previous employer, we were one of the first people to host him for the armed teacher program that they rolled out a few years ago. 00:09:58.019 --> 00:10:00.269 Um, I don't even know if they're doing that anymore. 00:10:00.669 --> 00:10:05.519 Yeah, he's, uh, I help him with those classes every once in a while, but he primarily does those during the week. 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:11.230 Uh, yeah, so it's, and then he's kind of, whatever he can't fill on his plate, he says, Doug, take those. 00:10:12.644 --> 00:10:16.995 And if you've ever engaged with Carl on the internet, he is a completely different guy. 00:10:18.274 --> 00:10:24.663 He comes off a little bit sharp, I'm going to say, on the, uh, yes. 00:10:24.745 --> 00:10:25.544 On the internet. 00:10:25.585 --> 00:10:26.075 Yes. 00:10:26.274 --> 00:10:27.065 And on Facebook. 00:10:27.164 --> 00:10:27.345 Yeah. 00:10:27.345 --> 00:10:28.124 He is not. 00:10:28.443 --> 00:10:29.404 Like that in person? 00:10:29.404 --> 00:10:31.424 No, he's very personal. 00:10:31.484 --> 00:10:33.583 Have you ever dealt with many engineers in your lives? 00:10:34.063 --> 00:10:34.934 So yeah. 00:10:35.174 --> 00:10:36.225 Carl is an engineer. 00:10:36.943 --> 00:10:38.323 . He will come across as an engineer. 00:10:38.323 --> 00:10:41.083 And once you get to know him, you're like, okay, yeah, I get it now. 00:10:41.083 --> 00:10:42.134 Yeah, I understand now. 00:10:42.225 --> 00:10:42.495 Yeah. 00:10:42.674 --> 00:10:42.914 Yeah. 00:10:42.914 --> 00:10:45.073 So, and he, he hosts some good classes up there too. 00:10:45.105 --> 00:10:45.375 He does. 00:10:45.375 --> 00:10:47.745 I know He's got Mosab, uh, Masada U. 00:10:48.164 --> 00:10:48.375 Yeah. 00:10:48.375 --> 00:10:49.784 Well that was just this last weekend. 00:10:49.850 --> 00:10:50.389 Did that this last weekend. 00:10:50.389 --> 00:10:50.390 Yep. 00:10:51.120 --> 00:11:01.740 And then, I mean, he's got some pretty good names that are always rotating through his range and then he's got, you know, the, the standard, uh, classes and, oh, what's his name? 00:11:01.938 --> 00:11:03.668 Um, John Dobb. 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:04.350 Yeah. 00:11:04.470 --> 00:11:04.779 Yep. 00:11:04.779 --> 00:11:05.158 John. 00:11:05.158 --> 00:11:06.278 John teaches up there. 00:11:06.328 --> 00:11:06.649 Yep. 00:11:07.269 --> 00:11:11.850 Yeah, he's been down for a couple of our classes to, to take that we've had, uh, Yep. 00:11:12.490 --> 00:11:16.970 As a matter of fact, I took John's spot in the, um, Jedlinski class last year. 00:11:17.239 --> 00:11:18.059 He couldn't make it. 00:11:18.068 --> 00:11:22.799 So he, uh, that's how I, uh, finally took a Jedlinski class was through John. 00:11:22.908 --> 00:11:23.558 Fantastic. 00:11:23.590 --> 00:11:25.788 Well, I'm glad that we all are interconnected. 00:11:25.789 --> 00:11:26.019 Yeah. 00:11:26.568 --> 00:11:27.299 That's really cool. 00:11:28.344 --> 00:11:31.424 So after you got out of the army, um, you were up there in

Vermont. 00:11:31.764 --> 00:11:33.744 And then what would you do after that? 00:11:34.504 --> 00:11:56.379 As far as, well, as I taught up there for a little bit, I was teaching private security and then just, uh, mostly competition, uh, as I was, I was getting into IDPA and getting into USPSA and things like that, uh, Then we just, I said, just, I was just being a retiree for the most part, enjoying life, uh, and then came down here and, uh, just, like I said, it exploded. 00:11:56.389 --> 00:12:05.320 Um, uh, one of the licenses I have down here is a level three, level four private security, and that kind of got me into working with a company called Intercon for a while. 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:13.399 And I was teaching the level three, level two and three, uh, security officers for all the state buildings in Austin that was busy. 00:12:13.580 --> 00:12:14.188 Interesting. 00:12:14.318 --> 00:12:14.489 Yeah. 00:12:14.659 --> 00:12:15.009 Yeah. 00:12:15.068 --> 00:12:15.999 That was really. 00:12:16.354 --> 00:12:20.374 Kind of an eye opener for a big city private security to see how things operate. 00:12:20.754 --> 00:12:22.573 Level 4 is like personal protection, right? 00:12:24.019 --> 00:12:28.090 And that's where, that kind of migrated into doing the church security classes that I do now. 00:12:28.090 --> 00:12:31.299 So that's what I really travel the most doing, is uh, church security. 00:12:31.669 --> 00:12:35.230 Uh, I've done, I've traveled doing a couple red dot classes and things, shotgun and rifle. 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:37.799 But for the most part, I've been traveling doing private security. 00:12:38.068 --> 00:12:39.470 Um, excuse me, church security training. 00:12:39.538 --> 00:12:44.519 So with church security, is it like developing like, like a reaction plan and every, or response plan and stuff? 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:46.059 Or is it, or like what all's involved with that? 00:12:46.068 --> 00:13:09.450 From from a whole group of people who want to do a church curing they have no idea where to start to all right you have a basic structure let's see if your structure works for you do your plans work for you that are part of your team are roles assigned properly and then we work on hard skills like the medical Uh, interviewing, dealing with people that are coming in that could be a nuisance, things like that. 00:13:09.730 --> 00:13:20.899 And then everybody always wants to start doing the firearms training part of it, which I highly, highly encourage, but I also have to give them some realistic goals as far as what they're, what they're getting ready to do with everybody. 00:13:20.929 --> 00:13:22.589 Everybody wants to active shooter training. 00:13:22.620 --> 00:13:22.850 Yeah. 00:13:22.989 --> 00:13:23.229 Yeah. 00:13:23.229 --> 00:13:26.739 And during the briefing, I'm going to show them that statistically that's almost. 00:13:27.065 --> 00:13:32.065 Nothing that you need to worry about, but then I will reverse it and say,

you're carrying a firearm. 00:13:32.554 --> 00:13:34.004 What was the last class you did? 00:13:34.654 --> 00:13:37.065 Well, I took an LTC class eight years ago. 00:13:37.615 --> 00:13:37.904 Right. 00:13:37.945 --> 00:13:38.365 Okay. 00:13:38.423 --> 00:13:40.884 Maybe, maybe we should work on that a little bit. 00:13:40.884 --> 00:13:47.958 And that's what I get them to the point that, okay, now they see where they really are and what skills they need to work on to be better. 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:50.950 Pulling a firearm in a crowded environment like that. 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.119 So, which actually goes back to that. 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:55.879 You have the urban defense class. 00:13:55.889 --> 00:13:58.019 So that's where that class was actually came from. 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.960 So in September I have an urban, basically it's gunfighting and crowds class. 00:14:02.259 --> 00:14:03.720 Uh, again, I gave it a fancy title. 00:14:03.730 --> 00:14:05.179 So people would be like, Oh, what's that? 00:14:05.529 --> 00:14:08.799 Um, and break that, that class up into two parts. 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:11.139 The first part of it is tactical anatomy. 00:14:11.179 --> 00:14:14.480 Think, think of where should I be shooting somebody? 00:14:14.779 --> 00:14:16.090 And it gets away from. 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:23.870 The static cardboard targets, okay, so now there's a 3D aspect to it and where those shot placements should be. 00:14:23.889 --> 00:14:26.470 And then the afternoon is, okay, now I need to be accurate. 00:14:27.100 --> 00:14:29.080 How can I do that without hitting everybody else? 00:14:29.090 --> 00:14:39.820 And I call it earning your shot, making sure that when you fire that round, you're not hitting anybody in front of you, in the side of you, or behind that person when you miss because you're, you're going to miss. 00:14:39.870 --> 00:14:40.080 Yeah. 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:41.929 I think a lot of times people forget about that. 00:14:41.940 --> 00:14:42.333 And that. 00:14:42.734 --> 00:14:48.855 the fact that, you know, when you, when you actually, you know, if you have to use it in a self defense situation, it could be, you know, other people. 00:14:49.073 --> 00:14:49.514 Oh yeah. 00:14:49.563 --> 00:14:51.784 It could be in a crowd and what are you going to do in that instance? 00:14:52.044 --> 00:14:53.094 And it's, it's true. 00:14:53.144 --> 00:14:53.875 Start blasting. 00:14:53.995 --> 00:14:54.553 What do they say? 00:14:54.563 --> 00:14:58.953 The law enforcement is, uh, 18 percent normally hit ratio. 00:14:59.434 --> 00:15:08.554 Uh, I've been doing a lot of alert training with some local law enforcement and, uh, let's just say their hit ratio is about 10 percent during those classes. 00:15:08.984 --> 00:15:11.365 And even then it was legs and arms. 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:12.019 Oh, wow. 00:15:12.089 --> 00:15:12.539 Yeah. 00:15:12.589 --> 00:15:31.480 So it's, and they're trained professionals, you know, I say

that because we know law enforcement doesn't get any really more training than the average person when it comes to firearms and especially the military that, you know, I was a pro at carrying that thing, you know, qualified once a year with quals, not training. 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.220 Yeah, no quals, not training. 00:15:33.220 --> 00:15:33.490 No. 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:42.190 And, uh, So yeah, that's what I'm trying to get that mindset into people that you know, okay Yeah, I can I can run out there and I can hit an a zone all day long. 00:15:43.379 --> 00:16:01.860 Can you hit this when it's moving when it's And I kind of there's people running behind and right, you know everything else that goes into and people that I have their hunters They understand that concept because when you go hunting right you wanted you want to Take care of that animal as fast as you possibly can you don't want it to suffer, right? 00:16:01.860 --> 00:16:04.634 and So you're going to aim for a specific spot. 00:16:05.664 --> 00:16:11.154 I want to eliminate the threat as fast as I can, so I'm going to try and aim for a specific spot. 00:16:11.154 --> 00:16:14.004 I don't blast rounds when I'm deer hunting. 00:16:14.004 --> 00:16:16.725 I'm certainly not just going to blast rounds if I'm trying to defend myself. 00:16:17.554 --> 00:16:20.284 So that's where I'm trying to change that mindset with people. 00:16:21.534 --> 00:16:28.359 I helped teach a church security class probably five, six years ago. 00:16:29.049 --> 00:16:58.679 Um, at my previous employer and I handled the firearms range portion of it and then we had a, uh, law enforcement guy handled the actual like the security portion of it and it was, so we did two days on the range and one day they did a whole day at their actual, uh, location or church or sanctuary or whatever, and it was really interesting listening to him go through and talk those points on that because they approached us because I had a student that was a, that was, uh, In their security group. 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:01.698 And he's like, I want them all come in and, and you can teach us how to shoot. 00:17:01.740 --> 00:17:04.519 I was like, there's a whole big key that I have no idea about. 00:17:04.609 --> 00:17:05.009 Oh yeah. 00:17:05.049 --> 00:17:07.680 Like my background, my training has nothing to do with this. 00:17:08.068 --> 00:17:11.068 Like we don't, I don't do this, but I know somebody who does do it. 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:11.380 Yeah. 00:17:11.539 --> 00:17:17.750 Uh, and it was interesting to go from the first day where they were showing up and I'm like, that's not going to run the whole time. 00:17:17.750 --> 00:17:18.838 The guy's like, Oh, it's going to be fine. 00:17:18.838 --> 00:17:20.000 Like, no, it's going to stop working. 00:17:21.108 --> 00:17:21.378 Yeah. 00:17:21.378 --> 00:17:22.250 I'm, I'm here. 00:17:22.250 --> 00:17:24.669 I know what I'm talking about and it stopped working. 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:34.690 And so we, you know, to progress through that day to where, you know, we, I think we shot the FBI call at the start to get a baseline and most of them failed it. 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:41.263 And then by the end of day two, They were all passing it and then Trent took over and did the church security part. 00:17:41.263 --> 00:17:55.773 But like, I had no idea that, like how many, uh, engagements that the security group might come into contact with, like distraught people, all those people coming in looking for help. 00:17:56.174 --> 00:18:00.154 You're just people wandering around that aren't supposed to be there. 00:18:00.444 --> 00:18:05.384 And how many interactions, like on average, a congregation gets like that, especially the bigger ones. 00:18:05.394 --> 00:18:05.753 Oh yeah. 00:18:07.648 --> 00:18:13.689 They really need trained, professional security at a lot of these locations. 00:18:13.849 --> 00:18:14.619 Yeah, they do. 00:18:14.878 --> 00:18:21.769 And I mean, I'll give it up to these people for volunteering and saying, I'm going to help keep my sanctuary and the people in my church safe. 00:18:22.460 --> 00:18:27.529 And the ones that I've worked with are at least taking that, being proactive, going out and getting the training. 00:18:27.769 --> 00:18:29.259 But I know so many that. 00:18:29.505 --> 00:18:35.744 Just don't like, okay, most likely you're going to deal with maybe somebody trying to break into a car or now protesters or something like that. 00:18:36.005 --> 00:18:36.994 How do you deal with that? 00:18:37.194 --> 00:18:41.375 They all want to just go out and react with those people and take care of it. 00:18:41.663 --> 00:18:45.054 Maybe sometimes just sit there and lock the doors and let the cops come. 00:18:45.624 --> 00:18:49.034 You know, they need to learn how to take care of those situations like that. 00:18:49.034 --> 00:18:52.855 And it's again, the active shooter thing is the least. 00:18:52.994 --> 00:18:57.273 of their worries, but still think I want them to be trained, proficient with their firearm. 00:18:57.273 --> 00:19:00.714 But you know, how do you deal with, how do you deal with the father that shows up? 00:19:00.714 --> 00:19:05.324 Who knows, you know, he's not allowed to see his kids, but he knows that his kids are there at that time. 00:19:05.914 --> 00:19:06.924 So now he's going to come in. 00:19:07.223 --> 00:19:08.403 How do you deal with that? 00:19:08.494 --> 00:19:13.183 You know, so they have to have that type of at least awareness and training if they're going to be on these teams. 00:19:14.144 --> 00:19:21.979 Are there different considerations or like, how much does it change between like a really small congregation and like a bigger, you know, Um, like the real estate. 00:19:22.169 --> 00:19:23.419 I mean, it's really what it comes down to. 00:19:23.419 --> 00:19:25.148 Do you have enough people to cover all the areas? 00:19:25.148 --> 00:19:26.819 And then what's your

priority at that point? 00:19:26.819 --> 00:19:32.709 If you've got, you know, a 12, 000 square foot kind of smallish church. 00:19:33.369 --> 00:19:34.398 How many do you have? 00:19:34.398 --> 00:19:36.689 If you've got a 40, 000 square foot church? 00:19:37.029 --> 00:19:37.859 How many people do you have? 00:19:37.869 --> 00:19:38.109 Okay. 00:19:38.109 --> 00:19:42.009 I've got three people and I got three services, so I got one per service. 00:19:42.089 --> 00:19:43.039 Where are you putting them? 00:19:43.420 --> 00:19:43.890 Things like that. 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:48.359 So, yeah, it's, it changes a little bit based upon each, each different location. 00:19:49.439 --> 00:19:49.598 Yeah. 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:53.019 And you look at some of the mega churches around here and they'll have, yeah. 00:19:53.865 --> 00:20:09.625 Actual uniformed police officers on duty plus yeah church security volunteers plus paid security Yeah, yeah, and that's and that's a good thing to have so the guys that trained me on the church security aspect of it They have a decade's worth of experience with a mega church in dallas. 00:20:09.944 --> 00:20:13.230 So They kind of know what they're talking about when they're training me. 00:20:13.619 --> 00:20:26.719 And, uh, and having a law enforcement is key because especially when I was dealing with uniform private security, now all of a sudden, some of them think that they have the same powers as law enforcement and they're going to just immediately go to hands on people. 00:20:26.929 --> 00:20:30.179 Or chase people down things like that, dude, you're no different than I am. 00:20:30.179 --> 00:20:32.509 Except you have a uniform and a fancy badge. 00:20:32.509 --> 00:20:33.878 It says security on it. 00:20:34.219 --> 00:20:37.719 Uh, you can't go running down the road and tackling somebody. 00:20:37.729 --> 00:20:40.898 You can't just immediately, uh, you're trespassing. 00:20:40.919 --> 00:20:41.578 I don't care. 00:20:41.598 --> 00:20:41.969 Well. 00:20:42.304 --> 00:20:45.104 And then just grab him and start throwing, Oh, you can't do that kind of thing. 00:20:45.104 --> 00:20:45.904 This isn't Roadhouse. 00:20:45.914 --> 00:20:46.344 No, this isn't. 00:20:47.174 --> 00:20:50.834 I mean, as much as you want to be Patrick Swayze, you can't be in this situation, so. 00:20:51.184 --> 00:20:52.255 Or Jake Gyllenhaal now. 00:20:52.424 --> 00:20:52.734 Oh, yeah. 00:20:52.734 --> 00:20:54.724 He got the new one out. 00:20:54.724 --> 00:20:55.443 I haven't seen that one. 00:20:55.884 --> 00:20:56.934 Don't worry about it. 00:20:56.993 --> 00:20:57.193 Yeah. 00:20:57.194 --> 00:20:58.305 We watched it the other night. 00:20:58.315 --> 00:21:00.170 It was It was something. 00:21:00.589 --> 00:21:01.160 It was a movie. 00:21:01.174 --> 00:21:01.464 Yeah. 00:21:01.470 --> 00:21:03.049 Yeah, it was a movie. 00:21:03.049 --> 00:21:04.130 It was certainly a movie. 00:21:04.134 --> 00:21:04.785 Post it, right? 00:21:04.789 --> 00:21:04.940 Yeah. 00:21:04.940 --> 00:21:08.839 In the beginning he is like this, uh, like, uh, like Street Fighter or whatever. 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:09.049 That's scene. 00:21:09.944 --> 00:21:11.390 I think that's got, got posty in it. 00:21:11.509 --> 00:21:13.589 So, so yeah. 00:21:13.619 --> 00:21:19.619 So that's part of what I've, my training down here is really focused now is well, private security and. 00:21:20.464 --> 00:21:22.794 Personal protection for the average citizen. 00:21:23.434 --> 00:21:30.753 You know, I said I went from teaching everybody, let's put our drop legs on, let's put our kit on, let's go run around vehicles and pretend we're back overseas. 00:21:31.134 --> 00:21:36.875 And, uh, I said I can't compete with the, the level of instructors that teach that down here. 00:21:36.894 --> 00:22:02.829 I said, and I, I really, the niche that I found now, thanks to Carl, is teaching the average person Who goes to now Academy buys that Ruger SR9C with their Uncle Mike's holster and they think that they're going to protect themselves, uh, show them, okay, this is, okay, first of all, we'll get, we'll get over the equipment and then we'll, we'll talk about skill level and what you actually need to know how to, how to use that effectively. 00:22:03.890 --> 00:22:05.440 How long has Carl had his school there? 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:06.210 30 years. 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:06.859 30 years. 00:22:06.859 --> 00:22:09.159 Yep. 00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:11.400 So it's quite an accomplishment. 00:22:11.460 --> 00:22:12.720 Yeah, that's a minute or two. 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:14.930 Yeah, that's he's had it out there for a while. 00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:21.709 And, uh, it's, it's a, it's a nice location as far as, you know, anything out there, you can pretty much do any type of training. 00:22:21.709 --> 00:22:27.479 I mean, like I said, so for him, I primarily do his, his pistol mounted optics and his rifle classes. 00:22:27.949 --> 00:22:33.538 Uh, rifle can be a little, uh, challenging out there because the most I can go is. 00:22:34.194 --> 00:22:43.934 Close to a hundred yards and, uh, which is fine for home defense stuff when I'm teaching all that, but sometimes people want to just reach out a little bit further and I'm like, okay, we can go to the corner of the building over there. 00:22:43.943 --> 00:22:46.855 It's about a hundred, but we're not going back any further than that. 00:22:46.865 --> 00:22:51.154 So, yeah, that's a good confidence builder when you can stretch somebody out on the rifle. 00:22:51.164 --> 00:22:51.565 Oh yeah. 00:22:51.565 --> 00:23:02.805 A lot of these people that buy these rifles, uh, You put them together for the first time, or they, they buy their Anderson lowers and all this other stuff, and they're, I'm going to come out and train. 00:23:03.424 --> 00:23:05.174 They've never shot it past 25 yards. 00:23:05.174 --> 00:23:07.144 They go to an indoor range or something like that. 00:23:07.174 -->

00:23:08.964 And, uh, so I'm like, okay, come on. 00:23:08.964 --> 00:23:10.144 We're going to go back a little bit further. 00:23:10.144 --> 00:23:10.644 We're gonna go back. 00:23:10.894 --> 00:23:15.763 We get to a hundred and now they're shooting, uh, you know, a steel silhouette and it's going ting. 00:23:15.825 --> 00:23:17.284 They get all excited for that. 00:23:17.304 --> 00:23:17.769 So, yeah. 00:23:18.390 --> 00:23:19.420 That's I love that. 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:29.809 Yeah, I took my buddy out to the ranch a few weeks ago He came down and he's a police officer up in McKinney, you know was National Guard He'd still never shot anything past 300 meters. 00:23:29.878 --> 00:23:32.749 No, and so I lay him down behind my gun. 00:23:33.108 --> 00:23:36.849 All right, here we go We walk all the way out to 300. 00:23:36.849 --> 00:23:37.359 I'm like, all right. 00:23:37.390 --> 00:23:40.349 Now, this is the next dot Yeah, put this dot right here. 00:23:40.460 --> 00:23:46.844 Dink four five six seven Seven, you know, too easy than, you know, how five, five, six starts doing, doing seven. 00:23:47.824 --> 00:23:48.154 All right. 00:23:48.154 --> 00:23:49.284 It's going to take us a couple of times. 00:23:49.294 --> 00:23:50.753 We're going to have to lob this one in here. 00:23:50.854 --> 00:23:51.074 Yep. 00:23:51.284 --> 00:23:52.044 Guess the wind. 00:23:52.054 --> 00:23:53.844 But it was fun just taking him out there. 00:23:53.844 --> 00:23:58.194 And that's a huge confidence builder for anybody to be able to shoot out distance. 00:23:58.444 --> 00:24:11.263 And that's, and that's, I love that part where, what I teach now, I, what the, the type of instruction I do is, I didn't come up with this phrase, it's through the Rangemaster people that I trained with, came up with, uh, Gateway Instructors. 00:24:11.763 --> 00:24:15.994 We're introducing people as their gateway into the world of firearms. 00:24:16.609 --> 00:24:22.609 And, uh, when they get that real excitement, now they're, they're building up their confidence and they're, they're really enjoying it. 00:24:22.609 --> 00:24:29.808 And now you've just turned somebody else into the two way world and they're going to start buying their stuff and taking their classes and really enjoying it and promoting themselves. 00:24:29.808 --> 00:24:30.068 Yeah. 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:30.729 I love that. 00:26:00.788 --> 00:26:09.490 One of the things that I saw on your website is that you pride yourself in being able to teach people of all different skill levels, right? 00:26:09.809 --> 00:26:21.328 So how do you mitigate, um, Issues that arise, like when you have, you know, say you hold a class and you've got, you know, people have a, a lower skill level and then some of them is at a higher skill level. 00:26:21.338 --> 00:26:28.618 How do you make sure that all of the students in that class get, you know, the attention they need and everybody, you know, that's a great question. 00:26:28.949 -->

00:26:36.838 Uh, cause that was one of my frustrations I had coming up to all my training was I would take these classes where it's a three or two, three, four day class. 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:43.129 And I was, my skill level is still kind of low and there's, you know, 15 to 20 people in this class. 00:26:43.489 --> 00:26:46.869 And I just put out two grand and I leave at the end of that. 00:26:46.869 --> 00:26:49.078 And the instructor has no idea what my name is. 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:49.868 It doesn't even matter. 00:26:50.109 --> 00:26:53.839 So I, the way I mitigate those issues are I keep my classes small. 00:26:53.970 --> 00:27:00.819 I got to admit the class I'm having here tomorrow is one of the biggest classes that I have hosted, but I wanted to see if I could do it. 00:27:00.829 --> 00:27:01.839 I haven't done it for a while. 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:04.029 I usually keep my classes six to 10 people. 00:27:04.679 --> 00:27:13.734 And then, so my son, who is also one of my instructors, we're going to We'll tag team the class and we'll be like, okay, these students over here, they're a little bit more advanced. 00:27:13.744 --> 00:27:14.853 We're going to put them on this side. 00:27:15.224 --> 00:27:18.884 We'll take the beginners on this side and we'll be like, okay, one, two, three, shoot who's taking who. 00:27:19.394 --> 00:27:20.394 And, uh, yeah. 00:27:20.804 --> 00:27:32.879 And, uh, so at first I was like, okay, you're going to take the beginner one so you can, you know, As he was coming up early in his instructor career, start learning to work with beginners and, uh, and I would work with the more advanced. 00:27:32.879 --> 00:27:33.708 So we still do that. 00:27:33.718 --> 00:27:41.228 In fact, tomorrow I've got three, three of us are going to be out there just to make sure that we can give that individual coaching. 00:27:41.379 --> 00:27:42.199 That's a good ratio. 00:27:42.418 --> 00:27:44.439 Three to however, probably 15. 00:27:44.439 --> 00:27:45.319 I got 15 now. 00:27:45.579 --> 00:27:46.728 Yeah, that's a good ratio. 00:27:46.730 --> 00:27:47.718 Yeah. 00:27:47.718 --> 00:27:48.859 And we're splitting it up. 00:27:49.328 --> 00:27:58.019 Uh, not only splitting up in, uh, teams inside the range, I'm going to take part of them into the classroom at the beginning and work with them there. 00:27:58.019 --> 00:28:17.224 So yeah, uh, that individual, individual coaching as much as I can, I think is one of the, uh, key parts of our business, the way we try to run our classes is I want you to feel when you left that class, not only do I know your name, but you've got that individualized attention to know that, okay, this is exactly I felt like I learned something. 00:28:17.284 --> 00:28:17.614 Right. 00:28:17.853 --> 00:28:27.653 And one of the things that I found in classes that have, you know, a broad range of skill levels is a lot of times the class has to be dumbed down to the lowest, you know, form of proficiency. 00:28:27.653 --> 00:28:36.889 And a lot of times if you're, you know, Not in that, that section, you know, you, you miss out on a lot of, you feel like you've kind of wasted your money. 00:28:36.909 --> 00:28:38.289 You know, and it's, it's true. 00:28:38.289 --> 00:28:42.199 That's the way I run my, a lot of my drills. 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:44.879 It's the best way to put this. 00:28:44.879 --> 00:28:49.168 I, I like performance based instead of objective based training. 00:28:49.534 --> 00:28:51.794 So you and I may be doing the same drill. 00:28:51.804 --> 00:28:51.974 Okay. 00:28:51.974 --> 00:28:52.924 We'll do a build drill. 00:28:52.934 --> 00:28:53.294 Okay. 00:28:53.294 --> 00:28:53.504 Yeah. 00:28:53.524 --> 00:28:55.674 We want to get a two second build drill. 00:28:56.074 --> 00:28:58.694 Um, I'm not even going to tell you what time I want you to have in it. 00:28:58.865 --> 00:29:01.943 Your first time you run it, you do it at three seconds and I do it four seconds. 00:29:02.194 --> 00:29:03.105 The rest of the class. 00:29:03.105 --> 00:29:05.554 Now you're just going to try and better that three seconds. 00:29:05.624 --> 00:29:07.345 I'm going to try and better my four seconds. 00:29:07.744 --> 00:29:09.454 I don't want you to compare yourself to the. 00:29:09.514 --> 00:29:10.554 person next to you. 00:29:10.914 --> 00:29:19.014 Uh, and so that's how we try to keep our, again, why we try to keep it small, try to keep the individual coaching so we can be like, no, don't worry about what dude's doing over there. 00:29:19.014 --> 00:29:19.095 Yeah. 00:29:19.144 --> 00:29:22.214 Dude's been doing this for 15 years and I'm, I'm not even as good as him. 00:29:22.464 --> 00:29:24.513 We're going to work on what your skill level is here. 00:29:24.554 --> 00:29:25.114 So yeah. 00:29:25.634 --> 00:29:25.804 Yeah. 00:29:25.804 --> 00:29:26.174 That's good. 00:29:26.214 --> 00:29:28.085 Get your own baseline and improve off of that. 00:29:28.865 --> 00:29:32.384 Not some unattainable metric that somebody else. 00:29:32.414 --> 00:29:38.494 I think some of those goals are good, but while you're getting there, just worry about what you're, what you're doing. 00:29:40.174 --> 00:29:40.353 Yeah. 00:29:40.353 --> 00:30:06.494 I had a buddy a long time ago when I was really into the training community and we were talking about doing it and I was taking, I was taking like seven, eight classes a year, you know, uh, when I first got into this and he's like, it's like, here's the trick, Chris is like, Get to class early, start scoping out everybody and see if you can identify who's going to be the worst guy in class and then stand by them. 00:30:07.464 --> 00:30:20.314 Make sure you're on the fire and by that guy who's taking his holster out of the wrapper at the beginning of class, because he's going to get the most one on one attention the whole time. 00:30:20.663 --> 00:30:21.984 And you can stand there. 00:30:22.829 --> 00:30:29.490 You know, and

gain more information of them rather than, you know, dude walks by and be like, good job, Chris. 00:30:29.490 --> 00:30:31.968 Yeah. 00:30:31.970 --> 00:30:32.720 Good job at what? 00:30:32.740 --> 00:30:34.079 No, like what was the good job? 00:30:34.089 --> 00:30:34.299 Yep. 00:30:34.569 --> 00:30:35.009 Good job. 00:30:35.349 --> 00:30:43.289 Like, you know, like, like, well, thank you first of all, but I need a little bit more input than that. 00:30:43.329 --> 00:30:43.559 You know? 00:30:44.389 --> 00:30:45.069 Exactly. 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:45.490 Yeah. 00:30:45.500 --> 00:30:46.699 I've always enjoyed classes. 00:30:46.699 --> 00:30:52.468 I think the one that I've taken that had the most instructor ratio was when we went and did greed ops a couple summers ago. 00:30:52.468 --> 00:30:52.949 Oh yeah. 00:30:53.329 --> 00:30:54.228 We almost died. 00:30:54.298 --> 00:30:54.509 Yeah. 00:30:54.509 --> 00:30:57.579 Well, it was so hot, so hot down. 00:30:57.708 --> 00:31:02.789 Never teach at Wallace Orchard in July or August. 00:31:02.789 --> 00:31:02.939 Yeah. 00:31:03.399 --> 00:31:07.798 Because it's right by the river, the layout of the range, there's no air movement. 00:31:09.449 --> 00:31:16.089 We, it was the first class that I've ever, like, we went and stole the canopies and put them over the firing line. 00:31:16.099 --> 00:31:16.589 Heck yeah. 00:31:16.809 --> 00:31:17.809 Because it was so hot. 00:31:17.929 --> 00:31:18.210 Yep. 00:31:18.288 --> 00:31:23.269 And, but they had, I think Green Ops had like four instructors on, on site. 00:31:23.609 --> 00:31:37.490 And sometimes when you were shooting, you had two instructors, you had one just like watching your body and one watching the gun and then they'd go through and it was Hunter and Matt, you know, and Hunter would be like, you're doing, do this different with the gun. 00:31:37.929 --> 00:31:39.039 And Matt would be like, I. 00:31:39.389 --> 00:31:49.038 Your body was doing this and because, you know, as an instructor, like, okay, I'm going to do a drill or I'm going to have a student do a drill and there's almost too much stuff to watch. 00:31:49.048 --> 00:31:51.589 You're like, I'm going to pick up, let me watch the trigger. 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:52.698 What are they doing with the trigger? 00:31:52.750 --> 00:31:56.278 But if I'm watching the trigger, I can't see what they're doing with their feet sometimes. 00:31:56.289 --> 00:31:59.559 So that's part of the benefit that you have with your video integration. 00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:01.220 Yeah, I was just going to say that. 00:32:01.220 --> 00:32:02.099 Yes, that's, that's. 00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.148 So the way we're going to start this class out tomorrow is I'm just going to have you shoot. 00:32:06.178 --> 00:32:06.978 Um, I can tell you. 00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:10.289 Don't, I don't care how accurate you are. 00:32:10.730 --> 00:32:11.240 You're going to shoot. 00:32:11.250 --> 00:32:15.109 I'm going to record you from both sides and I'm going to take half the class. 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:16.099 We're going to go in the classroom. 00:32:16.179 --> 00:32:18.220 And like you said, I can only see so much. 00:32:18.419 --> 00:32:20.588 We're going to rewind it, go back, go zoom in and zoom out. 00:32:20.619 --> 00:32:20.949 Okay. 00:32:20.949 --> 00:32:22.308 Now I see your trigger finger here. 00:32:22.569 --> 00:32:24.499 Why did you wait to grip the gun way out here? 00:32:24.499 --> 00:32:26.819 Did you know you're waiting to grip the gun to your way out there? 00:32:26.829 --> 00:32:27.309 Things like that. 00:32:27.309 --> 00:32:29.220 Why are you drawing and doing this kind of thing? 00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:32.299 So, uh, and then, so at least it'll give them. 00:32:32.754 --> 00:32:37.464 A broader vision of what's going on, but then don't want to overwhelm them. 00:32:37.504 --> 00:32:38.814 And we're going to pick one thing. 00:32:39.014 --> 00:32:39.304 Okay. 00:32:39.304 --> 00:32:42.384 See this, see how your hands are doing this and you're going to grip the gun. 00:32:42.674 --> 00:32:43.724 We're going to fix that today. 00:32:44.064 --> 00:32:44.964 And then we're, and that's it. 00:32:45.153 --> 00:32:46.615 Watching tape is really cool. 00:32:46.653 --> 00:32:51.864 I mean, like, it's kind of like hearing your voice, like on your voicemail or something for the first time, do I sound like that? 00:32:51.875 --> 00:32:52.274 Is that me? 00:32:52.274 --> 00:32:56.625 That's not me, you know, like actually being able to watch tape and see it, you know, play it is. 00:32:56.674 --> 00:32:57.054 Yeah. 00:32:57.284 --> 00:32:59.105 And then I'll be able to email it. 00:32:59.444 --> 00:33:01.994 To them later on, if they want a copy, just to see how they did. 00:33:01.994 --> 00:33:03.014 So are you using coaches? 00:33:03.014 --> 00:33:07.855 I, yeah, I'm looking for an alternative because it's not supported anymore. 00:33:07.994 --> 00:33:08.394 Really? 00:33:08.414 --> 00:33:08.984 Yeah. 00:33:09.003 --> 00:33:09.924 I mean, it still works. 00:33:09.924 --> 00:33:10.713 It still functions. 00:33:10.713 --> 00:33:11.654 Just don't break it. 00:33:12.855 --> 00:33:14.673 Cause yeah, they're not in a business anymore. 00:33:14.684 --> 00:33:19.663 And none of the other ones I've looked at so far really have the features and everything you can do with coaches. 00:33:19.663 --> 00:33:19.963 Hi. 00:33:19.993 --> 00:33:20.243 Yeah. 00:33:20.483 --> 00:33:20.663 Yeah. 00:33:20.663 --> 00:33:22.823 So I'm not gonna, yeah, I stole that off another instructor. 00:33:22.864 --> 00:33:25.710 Uh, do you know, um, Uh, Shrek McPhee, John McPhee. 00:33:26.379 --> 00:33:29.119 Yeah, so I took a class with him when I first moved here. 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.240 And I was like, oh dude, that is awesome. 00:33:31.269 --> 00:33:31.980 I'm going to steal it. 00:33:31.980 --> 00:33:32.829 He's like, yeah, go right ahead. 00:33:32.829 --> 00:33:33.859 I said, I didn't

invent this. 00:33:33.878 --> 00:33:36.109 He says, I took this from somebody, somebody else. 00:33:36.109 --> 00:33:37.278 I'm like, okay, cool. 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:37.429 Yeah. 00:33:37.429 --> 00:33:39.978 So I've been integrating it in my classes as much as I can. 00:33:39.980 --> 00:33:40.739 And, uh, yeah. 00:33:41.089 --> 00:33:44.178 If I can show you what you're doing wrong in nine rounds compared to 90. 00:33:44.179 --> 00:33:45.049 Oh yeah. 00:33:45.049 --> 00:33:45.749 Exactly. 00:33:45.750 --> 00:33:47.149 So yeah, that's, and that's key. 00:33:47.149 --> 00:33:48.389 So yeah. 00:33:48.529 --> 00:33:49.029 That's really neat. 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:49.089 Yeah. 00:33:49.299 --> 00:33:50.539 It's a, it was a cool tool. 00:33:50.539 --> 00:33:50.779 That's. 00:33:50.779 --> 00:33:50.901 Oh. 00:33:50.901 --> 00:33:52.954 You Unfortunate that it's not support anymore. 00:33:53.234 --> 00:34:05.124 Cause I know Shrek, you could at one point, I don't know if he's still doing it, you could video yourself and send him the video and he would diagnose and just, and do one on one as far as I know, he still does that. 00:34:05.124 --> 00:34:10.534 I think Scott did it for a while, but yeah, Scott was doing like a private video because you can do a lot that way. 00:34:10.965 --> 00:34:11.284 Yep. 00:34:11.534 --> 00:34:13.974 And, um, uh, seek Lander does. 00:34:13.974 --> 00:34:15.793 Yeah. 00:34:15.795 --> 00:34:15.974 Yeah. 00:34:15.994 --> 00:34:16.534 I know. 00:34:16.605 --> 00:34:18.905 Um, CSAT. 00:34:18.934 --> 00:34:19.565 What's his name? 00:34:19.925 --> 00:34:22.775 Oh, Paul, Paul was doing it for a while too. 00:34:22.784 --> 00:34:23.095 Yep. 00:34:23.184 --> 00:34:24.445 He still might be using it. 00:34:25.014 --> 00:34:26.595 So yeah, that's a really cool tool. 00:34:26.715 --> 00:34:27.375 It really is. 00:34:27.375 --> 00:34:28.574 I mean, it's not expensive. 00:34:28.574 --> 00:34:29.974 You just put it on your phone. 00:34:29.974 --> 00:34:32.443 Just make sure you make sure you have a decent phone when you do. 00:34:33.485 --> 00:34:34.335 That's the only thing. 00:34:34.344 --> 00:34:41.224 So yeah, if you're not videoing yourself, when you're training for other than IG purposes, you're missing out. 00:34:41.295 --> 00:34:42.255 You definitely are. 00:34:42.715 --> 00:34:43.284 A hundred percent. 00:34:43.364 --> 00:34:43.634 Yeah. 00:34:45.289 --> 00:34:48.320 So what's, what class do you teach the most these days? 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.659 Like, is there any one that stands out? 00:34:51.030 --> 00:34:52.260 Pistol mounted optics. 00:34:52.909 --> 00:34:56.559 Uh, I get a lot of requests to teach that class. 00:34:56.949 --> 00:35:02.300 Um, a lot of private lessons on that because people, they're like, I don't want to look stupid in front of everybody else. 00:35:02.809 --> 00:35:03.168 Guess what? 00:35:03.170 --> 00:35:05.110 The person standing next to you says the same thing. 00:35:05.809 --> 00:35:09.690 Uh,

and it's interesting because it really turns into a fundamentals class. 00:35:09.690 --> 00:35:13.150 I'm sure you guys have, you know, you've done the Jindalinsky thing. 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:14.880 A couple other people I'm sure you've trained with. 00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:18.170 Uh, and I was talking to one student and I said, I'd give it about another year. 00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.780 And the red dot classes are just gonna go off to the wayside. 00:35:23.230 --> 00:35:24.630 It's just it's just a pistol class. 00:35:24.630 --> 00:35:24.659 Right. 00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:25.409 And that's it. 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.568 Uh, I mean, when, uh, optics started coming out, red dots started coming out on our rifles. 00:35:30.829 --> 00:35:32.590 Right, everybody's like, yeah, let me train this on a rifle. 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:36.989 When was the last time you saw a, a pistol mounted, I mean, a rifle mounted optic class? 00:35:36.989 --> 00:35:37.369 Yeah. 00:35:37.449 --> 00:35:37.710 At any point. 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.139 No, you just pick it up and you go to the class. 00:35:40.179 --> 00:35:46.969 Uh, LPVO's classes are doing pretty good right now, but I think that's eventually gonna just kinda. 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.429 Fall off to the wayside, but yeah, no, so that's the biggest one I do right now is a pistol mounted optics. 00:35:52.690 --> 00:35:54.980 Are we going to do anything with optics tomorrow class? 00:35:55.150 --> 00:35:58.079 So part of this class should give away all my secrets now. 00:35:58.269 --> 00:35:59.679 Um, no, no, no. 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.409 Is Sarah with all the good questions. 00:36:01.838 --> 00:36:17.929 So, well, no, so, so like this class here, let's say it's my intermediate level class, and it'll still go into working with optics is Zach and I, my son came up with this class because we, we teach more advanced stuff. 00:36:18.969 --> 00:36:21.699 And we'd have students come to that class and be like, so what's your background? 00:36:21.699 --> 00:36:23.500 We always start out with, tell me about yourself. 00:36:23.500 --> 00:36:24.029 What have you done? 00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:27.190 Oh, I would consider myself intermediate to advanced shooter. 00:36:28.828 --> 00:36:38.144 Okay, we'll find out And you sure about that the first time the gun goes they're like I don't know what to do with this. 00:36:38.815 --> 00:36:40.994 And like, what do you mean you don't know what to do with this? 00:36:41.065 --> 00:36:44.585 So we, we just, the manipulations part, okay. 00:36:44.594 --> 00:36:49.453 How to reload the gun safely, how to clear a malfunction, all that stuff. 00:36:49.454 --> 00:36:54.723 So that when the gun decides to not work, they know how to get it back up working without going to the instructor. 00:36:54.924 --> 00:36:56.974 Who's trying to teach more advanced things. 00:36:57.304 --> 00:37:01.304 And then the second half of this class is going to be, all right, let's start working on your accuracy. 00:37:01.304 --> 00:37:07.559 If you just took a basic class or you've just been doing some stuff, let's show you some things that can help you be a little bit more accurate. 00:37:07.949 --> 00:37:13.259 And that's where we're going to depend upon what people bring to the class. 00:37:13.259 --> 00:37:22.659 Are they iron sights or red dots are going to take the iron sight people over here and optics over here and be like, okay, here's how you can be better with your iron sights. 00:37:22.869 --> 00:37:24.838 Here's how you can be better with your red dot. 00:37:24.980 --> 00:37:33.639 Now there's some things that are, that work for both shore, but there's some specific things I'm going to teach you with your iron sights that really don't correlate to your optic. 00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:35.228 And then, you know, one, so yeah. 00:37:35.764 --> 00:37:45.034 What do you say your splits are now, like between irons and optics in just a general class? 00:37:45.224 --> 00:37:53.614 It is almost all optics now, but I had a weird class not too long ago at KR that was almost all iron sights. 00:37:53.614 --> 00:37:58.105 And we all sat there going, What did we time travel back in time? 00:37:58.194 --> 00:37:58.835 Holy cow. 00:37:58.835 --> 00:38:00.074 What the hell's going on here? 00:38:00.074 --> 00:38:00.355 Yeah. 00:38:00.664 --> 00:38:03.054 So yeah, that was the pistol Amish class that we have. 00:38:06.194 --> 00:38:11.755 The, uh, I know Duffy John Dufresne, he was talking about how, I think next year. 00:38:12.190 --> 00:38:16.880 He's not doing a red dot class and like a pistol class. 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:19.840 He's like, I'm just going to call it pistol because it doesn't make any sense. 00:38:19.849 --> 00:38:25.318 It's kind of implied that like, like, and then I know, uh, Aaron was talking about a little bit, but I think you're right. 00:38:25.318 --> 00:38:27.923 I think within the year, two years, we're not doing it. 00:38:28.295 --> 00:38:31.764 That whole difference is not going to be there anymore. 00:38:31.775 --> 00:38:34.815 It's going to be like, you might have started having an iron sight classes. 00:38:34.815 --> 00:38:35.204 Yeah. 00:38:35.204 --> 00:38:38.085 This is like, goes back to like the revolver classes. 00:38:38.085 --> 00:38:38.434 Yeah. 00:38:38.704 --> 00:38:45.864 Well, you say that in my rifle classes, people show up with red dots and they, okay, we're going to go to iron sights and zero your iron sights. 00:38:45.864 --> 00:38:46.373 Like I don't have it. 00:38:46.523 --> 00:38:46.894 I don't know. 00:38:47.083 --> 00:38:49.007 Either don't have them or they don't know how to use them. 00:38:49.007 --> 00:38:49.228 Yeah. 00:38:49.750 --> 00:38:54.219 So I was like, yeah, like, all right, let me show you how to, how to do this now. 00:38:54.469 --> 00:38:54.980 Good Lord. 00:38:55.009 --> 00:38:55.259 Yeah. 00:38:55.259 --> 00:38:57.019 So it's, uh, it's going to go backwards. 00:38:57.059 -->

00:38:57.299 Yeah. 00:38:57.329 --> 00:39:02.130 So backup iron sites at this point is, is, is more like a backup siding system. 00:39:02.250 --> 00:39:02.590 Yeah. 00:39:02.630 --> 00:39:06.679 You know, cause you do like, uh, I've got an EO tech with a 45 degree dot on it. 00:39:06.699 --> 00:39:08.670 I mean, like, that's my backup. 00:39:09.029 --> 00:39:10.569 It's another red dot. 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:16.679 And then you've got, you know, you might have like an LPVO and a laser. 00:39:17.454 --> 00:39:21.715 And, and no red dot, and no irons, because it's, there's nowhere to put the irons at. 00:39:21.715 --> 00:39:21.954 Right. 00:39:22.344 --> 00:39:25.413 Yeah, a lot of people get wrapped around that, and you're like, oh, it's got to have irons. 00:39:25.414 --> 00:39:30.193 It's like, okay, well, I'm not out somewhere where I'm cut off from any sort of supply for six months at a time. 00:39:30.625 --> 00:39:31.114 Thank you. 00:39:31.295 --> 00:39:34.028 That's, be realistic about what you're using your rifle for, right? 00:39:34.210 --> 00:39:35.659 Yeah, I'm not going overseas. 00:39:35.659 --> 00:39:36.710 I'm not fighting people. 00:39:36.929 --> 00:39:37.880 I'm going to be in my house. 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:38.440 I'm going to be at the range. 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:39.639 I may be at a competition. 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:41.369 I got plenty of stuff to support me. 00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:44.569 If my optic goes down, I'll, I'll, I'll be okay. 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.179 I'm not going to get killed in the streets. 00:39:48.849 --> 00:39:53.188 So, like, I know one argument back in the day, which is like, what if you get mud? 00:39:54.130 --> 00:39:55.630 Like, I've seen more mud. 00:39:56.059 --> 00:39:57.858 I've seen more mud on the streets. 00:39:58.549 --> 00:40:03.819 You know, like crammed into the rear sight aperture or on the front sight post where you can't see. 00:40:04.069 --> 00:40:05.319 You can get mud on anything. 00:40:05.380 --> 00:40:05.610 Yeah. 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:06.000 Right. 00:40:06.029 --> 00:40:06.319 Yeah. 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:07.168 It comes off too. 00:40:07.168 --> 00:40:07.940 It comes off. 00:40:08.380 --> 00:40:09.619 We have the technology. 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:11.369 We can if this. 00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:11.730 Yeah. 00:40:11.969 --> 00:40:12.248 Oh yeah. 00:40:12.248 --> 00:40:12.739 You can what if. 00:40:12.739 --> 00:40:13.110 Oh yeah. 00:40:13.110 --> 00:40:14.969 Yeah. 00:40:14.969 --> 00:40:15.549 Infinity. 00:40:15.549 --> 00:40:16.539 But yeah. 00:40:16.799 --> 00:40:24.190 What I need to do is I just need to go ahead and get night vision so I can just run backup lasers on everything. 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:24.730 There you go. 00:40:25.255 --> 00:40:25.784 Do it. 00:40:26.144 --> 00:40:26.404 Yep. 00:40:26.494 --> 00:40:26.985 I agree. 00:40:27.835 --> 00:40:29.644 We had some full power pecs come through the other day. 00:40:29.965 --> 00:40:30.295 I know. 00:40:32.304 -->

00:40:33.434 I tried to ignore those. 00:40:33.505 --> 00:40:33.824 Yeah. 00:40:33.824 --> 00:40:35.384 I didn't get, I didn't buy one. 00:40:35.404 --> 00:40:36.824 I don't, I don't need that right now. 00:40:37.375 --> 00:40:37.815 I need it. 00:40:37.864 --> 00:40:39.465 I just don't need to spend the money on it right now. 00:40:39.494 --> 00:40:40.213 Those will come again. 00:40:40.364 --> 00:40:40.514 Yeah. 00:40:40.514 --> 00:40:41.083 They'll come back. 00:40:41.114 --> 00:40:41.804 We'll, we'll get more. 00:40:41.994 --> 00:40:42.324 Yeah. 00:40:43.423 --> 00:40:44.614 So what, what, awesome. 00:40:44.614 --> 00:40:46.184 What do you've got coming up? 00:40:46.194 --> 00:40:50.855 Like what, is there anything that you're working on that's cool or you got anything rolling out? 00:40:51.819 --> 00:40:53.549 What does your teaching schedule look like? 00:40:53.769 --> 00:41:01.958 So right now, uh, the gunfighting and crowds is the one, probably the one I like the most, and that's what we're doing here next month. 00:41:02.358 --> 00:41:03.179 Uh, then. 00:41:03.210 --> 00:41:03.949 Sounds like a really cool class. 00:41:03.949 --> 00:41:04.918 What's the date on that? 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:06.049 Cause we'll get September 7th. 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:06.808 September 7th. 00:41:06.849 --> 00:41:07.150 Yep. 00:41:07.268 --> 00:41:07.639 Okay. 00:41:08.848 --> 00:41:09.199 Okay. 00:41:09.389 --> 00:41:10.518 So Won't be out before this. 00:41:10.518 --> 00:41:10.778 Yeah. 00:41:11.348 --> 00:41:11.699 Sorry. 00:41:11.909 --> 00:41:12.519 That's okay. 00:41:12.819 --> 00:41:17.259 Um, Finally got a couple people signed up for that one, so I was really excited when I saw that. 00:41:17.549 --> 00:41:18.989 Uh, and that is a trend that's going up. 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.869 People are waiting until the last week before they sign up. 00:41:21.869 --> 00:41:22.969 And you're like, am I going to have this class? 00:41:23.029 --> 00:41:23.799 Yeah, is it going to make it? 00:41:23.799 --> 00:41:24.279 Is it going to? 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:25.159 Well, that's the thing. 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:35.739 We have so many classes that we've been doing recently that, you know, you, I try to give every class the same amount of attention and I can't, you know, unless I'm just going to send out an email every day, you know. 00:41:36.230 --> 00:41:37.469 So, I don't know. 00:41:38.085 --> 00:41:39.384 We'll fill it, don't worry about it. 00:41:39.724 --> 00:41:47.744 But as far as what my focus for at least the rest of this year, uh, So Sunday I'm headed up to Vermont for my daughter's wedding for a couple weeks. 00:41:47.744 --> 00:41:49.344 I'm gonna teach some classes up in Vermont. 00:41:50.193 --> 00:41:50.903 And I come back. 00:41:51.340 --> 00:42:12.029 Weekend is right here September 7th doing that and then I've got nothing but private lessons and church security going to almost the end of the year Yeah, i'll be all over the state of texas doing church security But I would like to do if I could more, uh shotgun and handgun classes for home defense Everybody always says they want a shotgun class. 00:42:12.029 --> 00:42:15.079 I want a shotgun class and then nobody ever signs up for that. 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:24.159 Yeah and uh I have to admit I was not a I did not think shotguns were all that great You during my military career because, well, they never taught me how to use it properly. 00:42:24.659 --> 00:42:29.549 And it wasn't until I started training with post military, I was like, Oh, this is a pretty cool weapon. 00:42:29.549 --> 00:42:33.049 It's pretty, uh, devastating in the right, right hands. 00:42:33.349 --> 00:42:46.019 And, uh, I'd like to develop more classes on applicable skills for actual personal defense in the home and the average person walking the streets, you know, the What do they really need to know how to use? 00:42:46.019 --> 00:42:47.230 What do they really need to know how to do? 00:42:47.369 --> 00:42:50.130 And I think it just depends on how you market it to, or who you market it to. 00:42:50.139 --> 00:43:02.068 Cause um, I do multiple ladies groups at the range and they are always wanting, I mean, I always ask them, you know, let me know what we want to touch on and it's always home defense, shotguns, you know, things of that nature. 00:43:02.068 --> 00:43:03.559 Well that's how I ended up with the girl and the gun. 00:43:04.139 --> 00:43:12.789 Uh, and meeting you out there was, I'd say a majority of my students in the last three years have been women, easily, wanting to learn a gun. 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:22.099 Everything from, hi, this is a handgun, all the way through, okay, how do I draw off my purse, which I'm not a giant fan of, but I'll teach you how to do it reluctantly. 00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:30.769 And uh, that's why I tell him, I was like, if you're not going to carry on your person, if you're dead set, at least you're carrying, at least that's something I always go over why. 00:43:30.799 --> 00:43:30.989 Yep. 00:43:32.934 --> 00:43:35.804 The challenge I have with those classes is I'm not a woman. 00:43:36.204 --> 00:43:36.795 Oh, yeah. 00:43:37.474 --> 00:43:38.985 They want to be trained by women. 00:43:39.174 --> 00:43:43.974 So, uh, that's, that's been a bit of a, my wife might call me a little girl sometimes. 00:43:45.094 --> 00:43:54.934 But no, it, uh, but yeah, that's, that's been my key, uh, uh, Market in the last couple years as you've seen with everything with the whole girl in a gun thing I mean, it's just exploded. 00:43:54.934 --> 00:44:09.730 So well, I think that has to do with your approach to teaching too You know, you're not having the the barking instructor, you know, you you keep it very that that was one of the things Like I said, I prefer the word coach Compared to instructor. 00:44:09.759 --> 00:44:09.849 Right. 00:44:09.849 --> 00:44:14.739 And if, if you read on my website, I say I don't like the red shirt with the

instructor across the back. 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:15.009 Right. 00:44:15.009 --> 00:44:21.789 And, and if you come to me and everything on you is labeled instructor, I kind of already have a, a feeling as preconceived notion how this is gonna go. 00:44:22.710 --> 00:44:22.889 Yeah. 00:44:22.889 --> 00:44:30.659 And when I got my job at Teaks, the first thing they did is they brought me in the back room and handed me a jacket and a red hat and a red shirt all with instructor all over. 00:44:31.139 --> 00:44:36.289 And I was like, I died inside . I did, little Martin was like, I said, I was never gonna do this. 00:44:36.289 --> 00:44:37.250 I was never gonna wear this. 00:44:37.250 --> 00:44:37.694 So, but yeah. 00:44:41.534 --> 00:44:43.125 Well, we'll get, we'll get that email. 00:44:43.324 --> 00:44:44.764 Uh, I looked at my calendar there. 00:44:45.105 --> 00:44:48.005 I'll be shooting QP in San Antonio on the 7th. 00:44:48.074 --> 00:44:48.704 Oh, nice. 00:44:48.884 --> 00:44:53.563 Um, but we'll get that out on our email blast side. 00:44:53.644 --> 00:44:53.954 Okay. 00:44:54.194 --> 00:44:55.094 A couple times for you. 00:44:55.315 --> 00:44:56.723 No, uh, absolutely. 00:44:56.744 --> 00:45:00.809 And then See what we can get to promote that class. 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:06.340 And if you're coming back in, we'll get you to do some content prior to absolutely. 00:45:06.730 --> 00:45:07.019 Yeah. 00:45:07.069 --> 00:45:10.650 You usually come down day before I assume, or where are you located? 00:45:10.659 --> 00:45:17.204 I live two hours from here, but, um, I have learned to do anything firearm related in the state of Texas. 00:45:17.244 --> 00:45:18.804 I'm driving two hours minimum. 00:45:19.255 --> 00:45:22.485 So this to me, it was just a normal, I'm going to go drive down to Conroe today. 00:45:22.494 --> 00:45:24.224 And yeah, it's no big deal at all. 00:45:24.755 --> 00:45:25.315 That's how it is. 00:45:25.315 --> 00:45:27.424 I mean, like we'll drive two hours just in Houston. 00:45:27.594 --> 00:45:28.903 Yeah, exactly. 00:45:29.355 --> 00:45:29.694 Yep. 00:45:29.855 --> 00:45:30.085 Yeah. 00:45:30.429 --> 00:45:31.099 It's to go shoot. 00:45:31.420 --> 00:45:31.690 Yeah. 00:45:31.690 --> 00:45:32.409 Go to the ranch. 00:45:32.489 --> 00:45:32.960 Oh yeah. 00:45:33.860 --> 00:45:35.670 And that's what we're going to get into. 00:45:35.670 --> 00:45:39.819 That's what, uh, I'm teaching every weekend now between now and the end of the year. 00:45:40.389 --> 00:45:43.000 I'm actually going to kind of pull back from that a little bit next year. 00:45:43.389 --> 00:45:47.639 Um, because as you guys know, teaching, how often do you get to shoot in a class? 00:45:48.244 --> 00:45:49.335 Yeah, not happening. 00:45:49.394 --> 00:45:50.074 It's not. 00:45:50.324 --> 00:45:57.664 And, uh, luckily one of the groups, uh, Palisade that I belong with, we, we, we meet up every week, every Wednesday and practice. 00:45:57.715 --> 00:45:59.235 Oh,

so that's my shooting time. 00:45:59.594 --> 00:46:02.025 Uh, but I want to start getting back into competitions. 00:46:02.025 --> 00:46:03.554 Like one of the things I've never done is three guns. 00:46:05.795 --> 00:46:06.715 I'd like to try that. 00:46:06.954 --> 00:46:08.525 See, see how I do with that. 00:46:08.534 --> 00:46:10.164 And, uh, get back into just shooting. 00:46:10.164 --> 00:46:13.534 Remember, this is why I got into this field was because I was shooting. 00:46:13.875 --> 00:46:14.005 Yeah. 00:46:14.005 --> 00:46:14.664 You get into this. 00:46:14.684 --> 00:46:16.215 Everybody seems to just shoot all the time. 00:46:16.215 --> 00:46:18.163 It's like, well, no, not really. 00:46:18.163 --> 00:46:19.244 People always tell me you work at the range. 00:46:19.244 --> 00:46:20.473 You must shoot all the time. 00:46:20.503 --> 00:46:22.014 I'm like, no, that's not how that works. 00:46:22.634 --> 00:46:23.813 I work at the range. 00:46:23.824 --> 00:46:24.333 Exactly. 00:46:24.333 --> 00:46:25.103 I remember I work. 00:46:25.103 --> 00:46:26.143 Yeah, I work there. 00:46:26.223 --> 00:46:26.913 I don't play there. 00:46:26.923 --> 00:46:29.123 Do you do any competition classes? 00:46:29.614 --> 00:46:31.605 I, I will do a, like an intro. 00:46:33.034 --> 00:46:42.514 So if you're somebody who is looking at IDPA, USPSA, USPSA, Steel Challenge, things like that, uh, it's actually one of the classes I give at KR and I kind of do them on my own. 00:46:42.514 --> 00:46:46.028 It's like, okay, we're going to, here's some essential skills that are going to help you. 00:46:46.409 --> 00:46:52.309 You should know how to do competition versus defensive and yeah, shooting with my friends out in the pasture. 00:46:52.619 --> 00:47:02.230 Um, and then we set up little stages of different types of competition, give them a little bit of a sample, a buffet of, of each of those. 00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.480 And, uh, and I can, I'm confident enough. 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.110 I can get you to a, a master level. 00:47:08.469 --> 00:47:17.909 I I'm not a grand master DM, so I've, I got to figure out how to get myself there first before I get you there, but I can, I can get you to the point that you can compete. 00:47:18.125 --> 00:47:21.154 Comfortably and have a good time there and understand what's going on. 00:47:21.394 --> 00:47:30.715 So at some point i'd like to do that class at the at the have that at the yeah the range We have a we have the texas outlaw matches every wednesday So we have tons of people doing competition. 00:47:31.144 --> 00:47:33.603 I've signed up for maybe three times. 00:47:33.605 --> 00:47:35.784 I don't want to say it just Something happens. 00:47:35.784 --> 00:47:36.893 I just don't make it down. 00:47:36.894 --> 00:47:46.039 But no, I saw your name on the list Some of my students do that class now, and I'm like, so how is it, yeah, you need to come down and shoot, and I'm like, yeah, I know I do, but I'll get there someday. 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:47.739 Yeah, no, it's, it's a lot of fun. 00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:54.284 And aren't they doing They're doing USPSA classifiers now every once a month, once a month, I think it's, I'm not even gonna lie. 00:47:54.654 --> 00:47:55.674 It's, it's once a month. 00:47:55.684 --> 00:47:57.614 I think it's the third week, but don't hold me to that. 00:47:57.623 --> 00:47:59.643 It's fantastic that they went and did that. 00:47:59.644 --> 00:48:01.985 And they're actually sanctioned classifiers. 00:48:02.373 --> 00:48:07.304 So, I mean, you don't get that a lot or where you can go and shoot a classifier. 00:48:07.909 --> 00:48:08.519 All the time. 00:48:08.590 --> 00:48:08.840 Yep. 00:48:08.929 --> 00:48:12.889 Uh, but luckily here in the Houston area we have that available. 00:48:13.130 --> 00:48:13.380 Yep. 00:48:13.389 --> 00:48:14.409 Plus a couple others there. 00:48:14.409 --> 00:48:15.509 You can shoot a classifier if you want. 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:15.900 Oh yeah. 00:48:16.869 --> 00:48:20.088 So there's my, my uh, how do I split my time? 00:48:20.299 --> 00:48:23.269 Wednesday night you have your outlaw match here. 00:48:23.898 --> 00:48:25.549 Carl in the summertime runs. 00:48:25.755 --> 00:48:34.244 Wednesday night, USPSA, and then the Palisade guys, they do their class, their, our practice on Wednesdays, which one do I pick? 00:48:34.244 --> 00:48:35.693 Yeah. 00:48:35.694 --> 00:48:37.784 So I'm going to start rotating it through them all. 00:48:37.784 --> 00:48:39.853 And like I said, Carl, he's been doing the classifiers. 00:48:39.855 --> 00:48:43.203 In fact, I think the one he just did last week was nothing but classifiers. 00:48:43.255 --> 00:48:43.943 Oh, nice. 00:48:43.954 --> 00:48:44.795 So, yeah. 00:48:45.313 --> 00:48:48.065 Carl's been shooting USPSA for a long time. 00:48:48.125 --> 00:48:48.454 Yeah. 00:48:48.724 --> 00:48:49.054 Yeah. 00:48:49.219 --> 00:48:54.139 He's a GM, but even he'll say, I mean, he don't, and I'm not, this is no draw. 00:48:54.179 --> 00:48:55.509 Nothing derogatory against Carl. 00:48:55.569 --> 00:48:56.309 Carl can shoot. 00:48:56.309 --> 00:49:01.248 So don't even, but he has told me, he says he was old GM standards. 00:49:01.248 --> 00:49:05.139 He says he's not sure he could make the new one that the, you know, the way they do it now. 00:49:05.190 --> 00:49:07.128 Is this like a percentage of everybody else? 00:49:07.128 --> 00:49:07.538 Isn't it? 00:49:07.538 --> 00:49:07.909 Right. 00:49:07.949 --> 00:49:08.594 You have to. 00:49:08.824 --> 00:49:10.944 Like GM isn't like a, just a flat bar. 00:49:10.944 --> 00:49:16.625 It can constantly change based on if the tide rises, so to speak, you know, you have to, yep. 00:49:18.375 --> 00:49:19.654 And I mean, that's just it performance. 00:49:19.654 --> 00:49:23.554 Now you think about what shooting was like 15, 20 years ago compared to today. 00:49:23.674 --> 00:49:24.663 Oh, it's phenomenal today. 00:49:24.663 -->

00:49:29.384 I love seeing that there's so many people involved in it and the level that everyone is shooting at now. 00:49:29.384 --> 00:49:33.514 I mean, good Lord, it's a, it's a, what a time to be in this field, you know? 00:49:34.059 --> 00:49:47.789 There was, there was some dudes at, uh, Brennan's class a couple of weeks ago at Gateway Defense that we had down here that when I went in to, to check on the class and say hi to everybody, there were some dudes that were in their very early twenties in that shoot. 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:49.969 And that was like their second class they'd taken. 00:49:50.309 --> 00:49:56.549 Or you go in there and Chuck's shooting, doing a class and there's two or three guys in their early twenties. 00:49:56.549 --> 00:49:56.949 Yeah. 00:49:57.049 --> 00:50:01.630 Like, I wish I could go back to get into this, you know? 00:50:01.630 --> 00:50:02.119 Yep. 00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:02.409 Yep. 00:50:02.619 --> 00:50:03.150 Yeah. 00:50:03.150 --> 00:50:03.679 Yeah. 00:50:04.340 --> 00:50:06.199 Two things I wish I had done in my twenties. 00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:10.170 Started using firearms recreationally like this and buy land. 00:50:12.389 --> 00:50:13.069 Buy apple stock. 00:50:13.980 --> 00:50:14.289 Exactly. 00:50:14.809 --> 00:50:19.170 Um, yeah, you see these young kids come in these classes and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna break it down to you like this. 00:50:19.170 --> 00:50:20.309 And they're like, like this. 00:50:20.309 --> 00:50:20.663 No, I'm like this. 00:50:21.384 --> 00:50:22.565 Yeah, yeah, like that. 00:50:23.994 --> 00:50:27.105 You're already beating me and this is your second hour of the class. 00:50:27.105 --> 00:50:28.335 Yeah, the skill level. 00:50:28.344 --> 00:50:33.083 My daughter's starting U of H this, this week and, or on the 19th and so I, or next week. 00:50:33.344 --> 00:50:36.884 So I told her, I was like, you know, you've got to, got to practice. 00:50:37.125 --> 00:50:38.173 You got to come every week. 00:50:38.204 --> 00:50:39.733 You know, she'll be like, I don't want to go. 00:50:39.733 --> 00:50:41.545 And I'm like, sorry, it's mandatory. 00:50:41.554 --> 00:50:42.815 Now you're in the middle of third ward. 00:50:42.815 --> 00:50:45.583 Like you're, you're, you're going to do this. 00:50:45.585 --> 00:50:45.864 So. 00:50:47.344 --> 00:50:50.025 So, uh, what classes are you taking coming up? 00:50:50.054 --> 00:50:52.480 Do you have any, like, on the, on the calendar that you're planning on? 00:50:52.480 --> 00:51:00.545 Um, I just, well, I just took the, uh, the Palisade Training Group has their Level 2 Church Security Instructor. 00:51:00.773 --> 00:51:03.125 So I just did that Saturday. 00:51:03.233 --> 00:51:03.444 Oh, nice. 00:51:03.474 --> 00:51:06.903 And that was, I'm going to say, Church Security Combatives. 00:51:08.969 --> 00:51:20.308 Combatives Light, learning how to use, um, saps and jacks, how to use, uh, knife defense, how to basically, if somebody's, if somebody decides to lose their cool, how do you take them down without hurting yourself and everybody else? 00:51:20.319 --> 00:51:21.769 So that was a pretty cool class. 00:51:22.190 --> 00:51:30.750 Uh, for the rest of this year, I didn't Don't have anything on the schedule, but that doesn't mean I've got probably over a hundred hours just this year already. 00:51:31.099 --> 00:51:33.548 So, I mean, it's, it's just constantly popping up. 00:51:33.548 --> 00:51:34.090 Something pops up. 00:51:34.090 --> 00:51:34.710 Yeah, I'll take that. 00:51:34.889 --> 00:51:35.659 Yeah, I'll take that. 00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:42.418 Uh, but it's, it's kind of hard again when I'm training other people, when am I going to take my train? 00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:42.670 Yeah. 00:51:42.688 --> 00:51:47.469 And so there's sometimes I'm like, Zach, you're going to go teach that and I'm going to, I'm going to go play. 00:51:47.469 --> 00:51:58.694 I'm going to Some rifle classes, some training, and I've talked about, uh, green ops. 00:51:58.934 --> 00:52:01.414 I would love to take their LPBO class. 00:52:01.414 --> 00:52:02.534 And I talked with him about it. 00:52:02.534 --> 00:52:05.953 And he and I took a shotgun class together and I was like, dude, I want to take your LPBO. 00:52:05.954 --> 00:52:06.793 He's like, well, sign up. 00:52:06.795 --> 00:52:07.654 And I'm like, well, what is it? 00:52:07.884 --> 00:52:08.394 I don't know. 00:52:09.625 --> 00:52:09.835 Okay. 00:52:10.094 --> 00:52:11.423 I'll keep looking at the schedule. 00:52:11.483 --> 00:52:14.704 Uh, but yeah, no, I want to, I would love to take some more rifle classes. 00:52:14.944 --> 00:52:21.465 Uh, Especially long distance, um, I'll get you out to 400 after that. 00:52:21.485 --> 00:52:27.424 That's somebody else's world that I don't know very much about and I would love to learn that aspect of a rifle shooting. 00:52:27.433 --> 00:52:29.434 Highly recommend Bruiser Industry. 00:52:29.505 --> 00:52:29.824 Okay. 00:52:29.844 --> 00:52:33.364 Joe Dawson, we've had on the show, we've hosted him twice. 00:52:33.654 --> 00:52:40.634 Um, I was actually putting together an email about his class that they're having at the ranch in January. 00:52:41.009 --> 00:52:45.090 Is, uh, one of the guys out there already got him booked in. 00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:48.449 Um, but it's, I mean, phenomenal class. 00:52:48.809 --> 00:52:52.389 He's doing a precision rifle and precision carbine again, back to back. 00:52:53.039 --> 00:53:00.429 And I've taken that combination once, but I've taken scope carbine twice twice. 00:53:00.429 --> 00:53:00.670 Right. 00:53:01.299 --> 00:53:10.529 And like, I'd take it a fourth time, like have no problems going because I know I'm going to pick up a ton of information, you know, taking it a fourth time, like, absolutely. 00:53:10.730 --> 00:53:13.920 Yeah, no, I would, I would love to start getting into more of that aspect of it. 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:29.289 I said, as I'm getting older

now, my shooting has, it's slightly better Going into the boomer world, I can tell, because running around with my hair on fire shooting at things has become less exciting and, and more, I just want to lay there and, uh, shoot. 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.628 I'd like to learn how to do that, especially when it's 105 outside. 00:53:32.630 --> 00:53:32.958 Right, right. 00:53:33.168 --> 00:53:35.739 The last thing I want to do is go running around, uh. 00:53:35.929 --> 00:53:37.288 Oh yeah, long distance is fun, man. 00:53:37.288 --> 00:53:40.759 You get to lay down, you get to shoot that thing way over there in the shade. 00:53:40.759 --> 00:53:41.141 It's awesome. 00:53:41.141 --> 00:53:43.409 You don't have to walk to the target all the time. 00:53:43.420 --> 00:53:43.679 Yeah. 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:44.150 You're not going down fast enough. 00:53:44.150 --> 00:53:46.519 You got the spotting scope thing that you can see way out there. 00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:46.730 Yep. 00:53:47.194 --> 00:53:49.094 Walk down and paste everybody watching for you. 00:53:49.565 --> 00:54:12.164 Yeah, I think, I think one of the biggest takeaways was when, you know, uh, from Joe's class, when we did the precision rifle part was like selecting the right tool for the right distance and how easy just a caliber change or a whole platform change makes that shot at like. 00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:18.730 You know, five, five, six at a thousand and you can do it. 00:54:19.659 --> 00:54:23.259 If the wind says I'm below, you're not doing it right. 00:54:23.259 --> 00:54:24.938 So you're having to wait for that perfect window. 00:54:25.288 --> 00:54:29.289 But if you get on something like, you know, a six, five creed, you're like, okay. 00:54:30.630 --> 00:54:31.799 The wind dots, which one? 00:54:31.909 --> 00:54:32.349 Okay. 00:54:32.469 --> 00:54:33.099 Okay, cool. 00:54:34.319 --> 00:54:34.909 First round hit. 00:54:35.875 --> 00:54:36.904 Just too easy. 00:54:37.025 --> 00:54:47.523 That was on ATI, but yeah, but the selection of the tool at the distance makes a huge difference when you're out there, when you're trying to buck wind and call it. 00:54:47.824 --> 00:54:48.074 Yeah. 00:54:48.433 --> 00:54:49.784 I would love to get into that. 00:54:49.784 --> 00:54:58.974 I said, that'd be next year's goal is to start taking some classes myself and broadening my, my bucket of skills and learning how to do that. 00:54:59.025 --> 00:55:02.603 But yeah, as far as for classes, I give rifle. 00:55:02.605 --> 00:55:02.904 I'd like to. 00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:08.789 Get more rifle classes going, home defense related, uh, women's related training. 00:55:08.849 --> 00:55:11.739 Um, a lot of what I do also now is non lethal stuff. 00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:16.299 Um, I also teach, uh, again, I'm not, I'm not a tac med guy. 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:21.028 Uh, my background with that was, uh, combat lifesaver in the army. 00:55:21.029 --> 00:55:23.889 I've taken a bunch of training with that and

then. 00:55:24.389 --> 00:55:26.630 use those skills where applicable. 00:55:26.819 --> 00:55:33.210 Um, so I do the American Red Cross first aid CPR, AED stuff, a lot of stop the bleed. 00:55:33.509 --> 00:55:40.480 Um, so I, I like taking that with some OC spray and non lethal use of force for people. 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:41.878 I love teaching that type of stuff. 00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:45.829 And, you know, so again, not everything has to go to the gun guns, my world, but. 00:55:46.860 --> 00:55:58.778 Not everything has to go right to there to teach people how to navigate life in the parking lots and grocery stores and gas stations and how not to, you know, go home, how to go home safely from that. 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.420 So, you know, which I have a good story with that. 00:56:01.798 --> 00:56:02.628 I felt so bad. 00:56:02.628 --> 00:56:04.610 So Saturday, I said, I took this combatives class. 00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:06.900 So my awareness and everything was up to here. 00:56:07.179 --> 00:56:08.750 I was ready to go. 00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:11.159 So I stopped at the gas station and I'm filling up. 00:56:12.469 --> 00:56:25.449 And I happened to just look around and here comes a guy about where that camera is to me and he's coming at me With his hand out and I did the whole stop right there my hands all up and he's like, oh, what's going on? 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:27.199 And I'm like, just what do you need? 00:56:27.210 --> 00:56:31.538 He's like, dude, I just want to tell you you have a nice truck He's like we saw it from across the parking lot. 00:56:31.549 --> 00:56:40.559 We just want to say I you know, very well dressed or anything But I I went full on right at him and he's like, sorry, dude, I just want to tell you a nice trick. 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:41.809 I'm just going to back off now. 00:56:42.750 --> 00:56:44.340 I'm coming at you right now. 00:56:45.569 --> 00:56:46.009 Pepper spray. 00:56:46.009 --> 00:56:46.759 Exactly. 00:56:46.759 --> 00:56:48.630 I was like, I'm ready to get you. 00:56:49.110 --> 00:56:49.739 That's awesome. 00:56:50.090 --> 00:56:50.360 So. 00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:53.739 Where can people find out more information about you on social media and your website? 00:56:53.750 --> 00:56:53.920 Yep. 00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:55.449 So my website is gregshooting. 00:56:55.449 --> 00:56:55.819 com. 00:56:56.099 --> 00:57:02.380 Um, I will admit there's not a whole heck of a lot on the schedule right now, just because it's a lot of private lessons and things like that. 00:57:02.779 --> 00:57:04.989 Uh, but I'll update that as much as possible. 00:57:04.989 --> 00:57:10.590 I do have a Facebook page that is half personal, half business, and it's also gregshooting. 00:57:10.610 --> 00:57:10.989 com. 00:57:11.349 --> 00:57:13.469 I need to get better with social media. 00:57:13.469 --> 00:57:15.619 And that's one thing I am horrible at. 00:57:15.739 --> 00:57:19.565 I will, I'll get into it a little bit more, Just let it go. 00:57:19.625 --> 00:57:19.954 Yeah. 00:57:20.344 --> 00:57:22.085 I almost need a full time person for that. 00:57:22.264 --> 00:57:24.215 Uh, we have a YouTube page. 00:57:24.414 --> 00:57:27.444 I couldn't tell you the last time it was updated. 00:57:27.444 --> 00:57:28.784 It's years ago. 00:57:29.134 --> 00:57:31.134 Uh, but again, I'm working on that as well. 00:57:31.404 --> 00:57:35.844 Uh, and which is one of the things I was really excited about being able to classes here. 00:57:36.054 --> 00:57:38.204 I tell everybody, you guys like the marketing geniuses. 00:57:38.204 --> 00:57:40.824 I mean, every there's BTO stuff everywhere. 00:57:41.105 --> 00:57:44.965 And I said, if anybody's going to be able to promote a class, I give it's going to be you guys. 00:57:44.974 --> 00:57:47.215 So yeah, when I, when you said, yeah, well. 00:57:47.275 --> 00:57:47.864 We'll host you. 00:57:47.864 --> 00:57:49.194 And I was like, Oh my God, really? 00:57:49.444 --> 00:57:49.664 No. 00:57:49.724 --> 00:57:50.335 All right. 00:57:50.505 --> 00:58:07.324 And, uh, yeah, cause I say you to, uh, teach classes down in this area before and their version of, uh, promoting my classes was, well, for 200, I'll, you know, put a text message, uh, text, uh, blast once for your class. 00:58:07.404 --> 00:58:08.003 Oh man. 00:58:08.005 --> 00:58:09.644 And I was like, that's it? 00:58:10.074 --> 00:58:10.534 Yeah. 00:58:10.614 --> 00:58:13.585 So no, you guys have been phenomenal as far as that goes. 00:58:13.585 --> 00:58:15.344 So we appreciate you coming down. 00:58:15.534 --> 00:58:15.933 Yeah. 00:58:16.014 --> 00:58:16.824 Yeah, we really do. 00:58:17.250 --> 00:58:23.239 Tear what we got to come up on schedule after this will probably drop Second or third week of September. 00:58:23.409 --> 00:58:24.019 Oh goodness. 00:58:24.019 --> 00:58:24.849 You're gonna put me on the spot. 00:58:24.849 --> 00:58:25.998 Yeah, we have a lot. 00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:49.565 There's a lot Let me let me grab my phone Counter snagged I uh, yeah, I was super excited about Uh, well, so, so I met her at the girl in a gun conference and one of my students, she was like, she was like, yeah, I'll introduce you. 00:58:49.565 --> 00:58:56.549 And I'm like, are you, you sure you, I don't wanna make this sound bad, so, and, uh, you have to make an appointment. 00:58:56.779 --> 00:58:57.069 Yeah. 00:58:57.994 --> 00:58:58.775 Don't forget your headset. 00:59:00.065 --> 00:59:00.125 Yeah. 00:59:00.125 --> 00:59:06.590 We had, I messaged the guy the other day who had commented on a post on our Facebook, and then he's like, uh. 00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:09.710 He, I added him as a friend. 00:59:10.099 --> 00:59:10.190 Mm-Hmm. 00:59:10.429 --> 00:59:15.650 . And then, I mean, he, the dude spends a lot of money with us and so I, I just reached out, I messaged him. 00:59:15.650 --> 00:59:21.079 I was like, Hey man, wanna let you know that we, we we're, I took your suggestions and I'm gonna

do that on the website. 00:59:21.139 --> 00:59:21.319 Yep. 00:59:21.319 --> 00:59:22.309 Thanks for the feedback. 00:59:22.309 --> 00:59:22.971 And also I. 00:59:23.259 --> 00:59:25.579 Dude, thanks for, thanks for being such a great customer. 00:59:26.019 --> 00:59:29.110 And he's like, Oh my God, the VP of big text messaging me. 00:59:31.130 --> 00:59:32.210 You know who I am? 00:59:32.219 --> 00:59:33.548 Like, yeah, I know who you are, dude. 00:59:34.900 --> 00:59:37.710 No, it's a, it's a big thing in the, in this area. 00:59:37.759 --> 00:59:38.469 Yeah, it really is. 00:59:38.469 --> 00:59:42.190 So hard work paid off. 00:59:43.098 --> 00:59:43.869 Oh, it certainly has. 00:59:43.909 --> 00:59:44.769 You're talking about classes. 00:59:44.769 --> 00:59:48.099 Cause yeah, right now I, my next one is, you know, September 7th. 00:59:49.389 --> 00:59:51.019 I'd like to get some more on here. 00:59:51.219 --> 00:59:51.929 You know, whenever. 00:59:53.364 --> 00:59:57.134 Whenever feasible, she's the person to talk to, you know, I've got you. 00:59:57.235 --> 00:59:57.884 Just let me know. 00:59:57.904 --> 00:59:59.235 We'll get it on the direct line now. 00:59:59.715 --> 01:00:00.184 That's right. 01:00:00.884 --> 01:00:05.704 So, you know, obviously on the 17th, we have the performance shooting. 01:00:05.755 --> 01:00:08.304 We've got, uh, our girl in a gun. 01:00:08.304 --> 01:00:09.625 So we do the girl in a gun. 01:00:09.625 --> 01:00:12.404 Uh, we do it twice a month. 01:00:12.404 --> 01:00:14.924 So next one we have coming up is August 27th. 01:00:15.244 --> 01:00:20.594 We've got dark angel medical on September 7th and eight, that one is almost full. 01:00:20.594 --> 01:00:20.954 So. 01:00:21.875 --> 01:00:24.565 If anybody's going to get in on that, they need to hurry up. 01:00:24.614 --> 01:00:28.784 September 7th, we've got the urban defense, the crowded environment class. 01:00:29.235 --> 01:00:34.103 We've got September 13th, uh, another girl in a gun event. 01:00:34.184 --> 01:00:38.434 September 16th through the 20th, we have our HK armors HK week. 01:00:38.485 --> 01:00:38.974 Yeah. 01:00:39.253 --> 01:00:41.744 Um, I think all those classes are almost full. 01:00:41.744 --> 01:00:46.404 Uh, so I'm not sure by the time if this gets released, if anything's even going to be available. 01:00:46.764 --> 01:00:48.804 And then we have, uh, on the. 01:00:49.894 --> 01:00:50.574 is the H. 01:00:50.574 --> 01:00:51.034 K. 01:00:51.235 --> 01:00:59.235 Vendor Day and then we've got the locks training center in October 19th 20th. 01:01:00.150 --> 01:01:05.599 We've got Mojave coming, Mojave, uh, RTO Basics coming back in November. 01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:06.409 I need to take that. 01:01:06.429 --> 01:01:07.496 That sounds like a really cool class. 01:01:07.496 --> 01:01:07.998 I do too. 01:01:07.998 --> 01:01:09.869 He asks me every time, you know, he's like, are you going to take it? 01:01:09.889 --> 01:01:12.090 It's like the third or fourth time and I still haven't. 01:01:12.139 --> 01:01:13.590 Well, when the hurricane came through. 01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:15.369 Our cell phone service went to shit. 01:01:16.059 --> 01:01:17.610 And like, I was like, man. 01:01:17.610 --> 01:01:22.840 That was the first thing I thought about was this would have been a perfect time to, you know, have that class at my building. 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.019 We all pulled out the radios, we're all within range. 01:01:25.019 --> 01:01:25.789 We're like, are you good? 01:01:25.789 --> 01:01:26.549 Yeah, we're good. 01:01:28.630 --> 01:01:32.038 Then we've got the, uh, we're doing a shadow systems armors course. 01:01:32.049 --> 01:01:32.568 Oh, cool. 01:01:33.364 --> 01:01:36.694 26th and then we're going to have their vendor day on the 25th. 01:01:36.694 --> 01:01:39.494 So that's, uh, that's the latest and greatest. 01:01:39.514 --> 01:01:40.414 That's fantastic. 01:01:40.884 --> 01:01:48.793 And I'm going to wrap this up with a note of what you said, and I'm gonna look directly at the camera on this guys. 01:01:49.953 --> 01:01:58.505 If you think about, if you're thinking about signing up for a class, don't wait for the last minute, sign up for it, put it on your calendar. 01:01:58.924 --> 01:02:00.184 If something happens. 01:02:00.545 --> 01:02:10.244 And we cancel the class, you're going to get a refund, but waiting to the last minute to sign up for the class may mean the class gets canceled. 01:02:10.255 --> 01:02:11.054 Exactly. 01:02:11.204 --> 01:02:14.693 Because there might be 10 people waiting till the last minute, but there's always a cutoff date. 01:02:15.114 --> 01:02:18.953 And yeah, that's usually the difference. 01:02:19.123 --> 01:02:22.913 Cause the outside instructors weren't, they're not all like, they don't live two hours. 01:02:23.173 --> 01:02:26.525 Some, some it's got to book flights, hotels and rentals. 01:02:26.844 --> 01:02:30.224 So do the instructor a favor and book early. 01:02:30.664 --> 01:02:33.375 That way they know they can make the plans. 01:02:33.894 --> 01:02:41.394 Uh, we help them out a lot of times by having them come in a day early and do the podcast and do content with us. 01:02:41.684 --> 01:02:42.694 That helps them out a lot. 01:02:42.715 --> 01:02:51.444 And, and we filled classes, you know, they're like, well, you know, we only had six people, but I knew I was coming down and do the podcast and I knew I was coming to do content and so I did it anyway. 01:02:51.554 --> 01:02:52.614 Well, they had six people booked. 01:02:52.614 --> 01:02:56.824 And then like within the time, like the last week or two, that'll double. 01:02:56.923 --> 01:03:00.373 Yeah, we had, we had a class it's, it's upcoming that they were about to cancel. 01:03:00.373 --> 01:03:03.134 They're like, we have three days and if we don't fill it, we're going to cancel it. 01:03:03.134 --> 01:03:13.614 I was like, well, you know, there's a whole side note to that, but I was like, So, you know, just give it a little bit of time, trust you got to believe within, within three days they were like, okay, we're doing the class. 01:03:13.994 --> 01:03:20.375 So it's like, you know, there's, there's a process, so sign up for the process, please. 01:03:20.674 --> 01:03:22.674 Anyway, thank you for your time. 01:03:22.694 --> 01:03:23.233 Thank you. 01:03:23.244 --> 01:03:24.193 Thank you for your time. 01:03:24.194 --> 01:03:24.944 Thank you for having me. 01:03:24.954 --> 01:03:25.554 Thank you, sir. 01:03:26.065 --> 01:03:27.074 And thank you for watching. 01:03:27.304 --> 01:03:34.444 And now you can watch us on the big text ordinance channel on YouTube, the big text ordinance podcast channel on YouTube. 01:03:34.724 --> 01:03:36.025 You can also find us. 01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:38.509 On rumble as well. 01:03:38.949 --> 01:03:44.139 We're uploading the videos to Spotify, so you can watch and listen on Spotify. 01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:44.849 Of course you can. 01:03:44.849 --> 01:03:45.079 Right. 01:03:45.538 --> 01:03:48.579 Uh, and all the other podcast venues. 01:03:48.690 --> 01:03:54.599 So please watch, subscribe, comment, share, sign up for a class. 01:03:54.759 --> 01:03:55.599 We appreciate you. 01:03:58.389 --> 01:03:58.750 That's it.