บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Predicting the First Real Moves of the Offseason as November Frenzy Begins

[SPEAKER_01]: But Jim Crane identified him as the guy that was going to lead the front office. 03:29.814 --> 03:35.398 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think myself and a lot of others thought it was going to be Matt Klein of the Milwaukee Brewers or assistant GM there. 03:35.418 --> 03:38.019 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very widely respected in league circles. 03:39.260 --> 03:45.165 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think everybody thought that was going to be in the case, especially as they saw him with Jim Crane at a charity event. 03:45.586 --> 03:47.227 [SPEAKER_01]: But, Alas, it's going to be Flores. 03:47.467 --> 03:56.735 [SPEAKER_01]: And Flores, even if he is their second choice, is someone who's super-hally thought of within the Cardinals organization, within baseball circles. 03:56.775 --> 04:04.882 [SPEAKER_01]: It was pretty clear that Jamo Zalak was a huge fan of Flores from their time together with the St. Louis Cardinals, and it was possible that he was going to be the GM. 04:05.697 --> 04:13.080 [SPEAKER_01]: in Anaheim had those they like stayed there, so there was definitely going to be competition for his services and he's already hit the ground running. 04:13.420 --> 04:18.962 [SPEAKER_01]: The other day, I was within like a few hours of him actually officially joining the Astros. 04:19.382 --> 04:22.343 [SPEAKER_01]: It made a small trade with the Tampa Bay already, he's acquiring Evan Reifert. 04:22.743 --> 04:41.846 [SPEAKER_01]: a talented guy who's been a triple-life for the race, so he's already hit the ground running here, and that's necessarily the biggest move, but still some moves here, but he's got a very big offseason here tackle for the Houston Astros, and Jim Crane even said he doesn't view this as like a big like, like a shake-up or rebuild situation here. 04:42.266 --> 04:49.456 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that ends up changing the narrative that surrounds Jeremy Payne, where I think he's still going to be discussed in trade talks. 04:49.496 --> 04:59.128 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a Christian walker, you have E-Soc Paretus, you have, I mean, Josh Hayter always got the no trade clause and I don't get the indication he's very eager to wave that. 05:00.650 --> 05:10.758 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he probably stays in use to have still a lot of question to answer there because the Astros are a team that was recently a dynasty, they are a dynasty no longer and they got to figure out what they are. 05:10.778 --> 05:15.722 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not for us as job along with figuring out who would that get going to be the manager of Tom? 05:16.832 --> 05:18.033 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is crucial. 05:18.053 --> 05:23.436 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're halfway there and maybe slightly more than halfway, but do not have a manager in place, that is still TBD. 05:23.576 --> 05:32.702 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's another part that's interesting here too is like, the manager, as soon as the lockout hits, the manager who they hire cannot have any contact with the players. 05:33.142 --> 05:43.309 [SPEAKER_01]: So they gotta figure out, probably sooner rather than later, who is going to be the manager there, try to quickly establish relationships, get cell numbers, forward into this manager, 05:43.869 --> 05:48.453 [SPEAKER_01]: and figure out what to do there, but it's a super interesting job, and you wonder. 05:48.694 --> 05:52.417 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you want to obviously, Brad Ospiss is getting heavily connected to this job. 05:53.719 --> 05:59.965 [SPEAKER_01]: But Flora's comes from St. Louis could this possibly be a destination for one of those Cardinals legends. 06:00.545 --> 06:01.066 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 06:01.206 --> 06:03.688 [SPEAKER_01]: That's again, total blind speculation by me. 06:03.708 --> 06:04.829 [SPEAKER_01]: I've not heard a thing there. 06:05.150 --> 06:07.852 [SPEAKER_01]: But Albert Pouls and maybe even a guy out of your Molino. 06:08.573 --> 06:12.917 [SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like future managers maybe could come here, given that familiarity with Flora. 06:12.957 --> 06:13.578 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see. 06:14.432 --> 06:17.875 [SPEAKER_00]: And that would be a move that the carnal's would have to address right away. 06:17.975 --> 06:22.779 [SPEAKER_00]: So Ripple affects throughout the league, if that does go down, we'll have our eyes on it. 06:22.940 --> 06:31.847 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to get into a couple, hey, way too early, major freeage and dominoes, but before we get into that today is going to be theoretically the qualifying offer day. 06:31.867 --> 06:37.052 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, any insight that you're able to share, anything you're hearing, at these most of these decisions, 06:37.592 --> 06:44.378 [SPEAKER_00]: seem pretty obvious, you know, the, the, you know, he's had jazz chism and David Bednar on their list, for example. 06:44.919 --> 06:47.821 [SPEAKER_00]: I do not expect the Yankees to offer the qualifying offer to jazz chism. 06:48.142 --> 06:51.284 [SPEAKER_00]: John Hayman had a list of expectations versus reality a couple weeks back. 06:51.965 --> 06:55.148 [SPEAKER_00]: But any major shakeups, rumblings you're hearing ahead of that deadline. 06:55.432 --> 06:57.133 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to be relatively straightforward. 06:57.233 --> 07:07.997 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've actually just had one reported, at least a quarter of your notification on my phone, Brandon Lau with the Pittsburgh Pirates was extended the qualifying offer, but I don't see a world in which he accepts it. 07:08.718 --> 07:23.404 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the pirates would be extremely smart to try to do whatever it takes to keep him, but it is going to be a very lucrative bidding there and there's going to be plenty of people in teams involved in that because not only it was a great offensively, but it was also a really good defensively of this. 07:23.864 --> 07:32.927 [SPEAKER_01]: This past season, like as far as like guys who struggled at second base in particular defensively,

how about Brandon Lowen and Luis Saras kind of changing that narrative there? 07:32.987 --> 07:38.229 [SPEAKER_01]: So, props to those guys here for sure for balancing back there, but we have some other guys here. 07:38.249 --> 07:40.990 [SPEAKER_01]: We got Randy Arozerana with the Seattle Mariners. 07:41.010 --> 07:43.991 [SPEAKER_01]: I would firmly expect him to get extended a qualifying offer. 07:44.031 --> 07:45.392 [SPEAKER_01]: I would look at David Bednar. 07:45.792 --> 07:50.757 [SPEAKER_01]: I would look at maybe a jazz chisel, although I don't think I would offer him a qualifying offer. 07:51.177 --> 07:52.558 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that would be no. 07:52.658 --> 08:09.033 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they learned last year from what happened with Trent pressure, but he's obviously going to be mentioned, but I don't anticipate him getting a qualifying offer, which you know what could end up really benefiting him as far as free agency goes, because team is not going to have to probably drop that in order to sign them. 08:09.653 --> 08:13.974 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that gets in a couple more teams involved in trying to get the most out of him there for sure. 08:14.034 --> 08:20.175 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ian Hap is definitely a guy who makes him sense, although I don't, I don't know if the clubs do that one. 08:20.575 --> 08:28.557 [SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely don't because you also have a CS Suzuki here who I would firmly expect them to extend the qualifying offer there with Chicago as well. 08:28.917 --> 08:30.857 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't expect him to take it. 08:31.138 --> 08:37.019 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's in position now to be one of the top two or three bats, Adrian Moro-Hone. 08:38.419 --> 08:41.563 [SPEAKER_01]: the San Diego Padres wouldn't be surprised by that one. 08:41.864 --> 08:51.377 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that is something we should keep an eye on, but I don't expect him to take it, but there's basically what we're going to appear in now is a lot of guys getting off of it and a lot of guys declining. 08:51.437 --> 08:52.579 [SPEAKER_01]: The last one is Jake Powers. 08:52.959 --> 08:55.643 [SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting one, but I don't think he takes it either. 08:56.503 --> 09:00.965 [SPEAKER_00]: More a hone, I wonder if this is the office isn't where somebody views him as a starter. 09:01.306 --> 09:09.210 [SPEAKER_00]: Brandon Lau, the first step in his free agency, like you mentioned, hey, you know, you put the QO on Bednar, maybe that limits his market. 09:09.270 --> 09:11.391 [SPEAKER_00]: Jazz isn't going to have the QO that helps his market. 09:11.531 --> 09:15.253 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the QO on Lau is going to limit his market whatsoever. 09:16.073 --> 09:17.514 [SPEAKER_00]: Really no ramifications there. 09:17.654 --> 09:22.557 [SPEAKER_00]: Other than the Pirates getting a draft pick, if he does the part, but the Pirates should do everything they can in their power. 09:22.897 --> 09:25.478 [SPEAKER_00]: to retain

him and make sure that that doesn't matter anyway. 09:25.498 --> 09:28.019 [SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be tonight, 60 day I.L. 09:28.079 --> 09:29.219 [SPEAKER_00]: is over tonight. 09:29.259 --> 09:31.960 [SPEAKER_00]: You see guys like has to curse dad, hit in the market. 09:32.000 --> 09:34.180 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, decisions are being made Ryan Mount Castle. 09:35.020 --> 09:39.802 [SPEAKER_00]: That is today's, you know, business at hand, roster, calling edges of the roster. 09:40.442 --> 10:00.050 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think my question is, there's a lot of, you know, to start off these predictions, there's a lot of uncertainty about what the new CBA is going to look like, what will it will not be involved, what financial limitations, maybe on certain teams, that makes teams hesitant to make major lines in the sand or put their stake in the ground of any massive market. 10:00.610 --> 10:02.311 [SPEAKER_00]: in this early portion of the office season. 10:03.011 --> 10:09.194 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think there are any major free agent dominoes that fall before the lock-up begins and major could be redefined? 10:09.234 --> 10:11.496 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're not just talking top of the market. 10:11.656 --> 10:16.698 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think all eyes are still going to be on-target school, even if it seems silly, even if it seems foolish. 10:17.278 --> 10:26.163 [SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers and the Met's Cubs had a degree of interest that sort of got rumored over the weekend, but the Dodgers would be hard for them to fit, maybe easier for the Met's to fit. 10:26.563 --> 10:43.059 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I feel like all eyes will be there regardless of logic, just because fans want to feel something, but do you anticipate any, mid-major, you know, Iowa, you know, what, nor the University of Northern Iowa in March, man, it's like a mid-major, free agent splash, or top of market. 10:43.079 --> 10:44.741 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if I'm way off, basically, let me know. 10:44.821 --> 10:49.045 [SPEAKER_00]: But, um, you know, in this month-long gap, I guess, what are you expecting in free agency? 10:49.606 --> 10:50.246 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, 10:51.256 --> 10:52.716 [SPEAKER_01]: I expect a frenzy. 10:52.877 --> 10:56.738 [SPEAKER_01]: I just said the same thing you're on a fall territory, which I was on rep before the show here. 10:57.358 --> 11:00.139 [SPEAKER_01]: And I expected to be very active. 11:00.239 --> 11:02.839 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was specifically looking at the top of the market here. 11:03.840 --> 11:07.241 [SPEAKER_01]: If I had to guess which, well, I don't have to, but I'm choosing to. 11:08.321 --> 11:10.822 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say that school comes off the board before 11:11.742 --> 11:12.663 [SPEAKER_01]: the lockout starts. 11:13.003 --> 11:19.186 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it would really be who of him and his agent Scott for us to get the deal done when you know what the CBA is going to look like. 11:19.706 --> 11:24.108 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you don't have to worry about the threat of a salary cap, looming over your head negotiation. 11:24.128 --> 11:27.490 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would imagine he's going to be motivated and learn from his past. 11:29.292 --> 11:48.279 [SPEAKER_01]: experiences with a guy like Chris Bryant where he was unsigned through the lockout and then he panicked with the Colorado Rockies and he said that he didn't do his research and may have chosen a different direction in which you know what I wouldn't blame them although I don't know how much time it takes to research the Colorado Rockies and realize they're not very good. 11:49.200 --> 11:53.822 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would imagine school will go and then after that I would think a guy like a 11:58.003 --> 12:08.312 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would also look at the trademark of being very active here to Drew Rasmussen as a name that's getting a ton of buzz in leaks circles at this point with the raise being in a position where 12:10.430 --> 12:11.971 [SPEAKER_01]: He's he's suffered 20 million bucks. 12:11.991 --> 12:13.633 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not something that they've typically done. 12:13.653 --> 12:31.045 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'd expect to hear his name plenty We have bats with like Suzuki that could come off the board here as well And again, I'm gonna mention the name Trevor McGill and Milwaukee I don't know what time frame as far as when that could come down the pipeline here But that is a name that's definitely I would not be surprised whatsoever if he's moved 12:31.345 --> 12:40.917 [SPEAKER_01]: So keep an eye on him, and as Jeff Passen said today, I'm not going to say the strongly as he did, but as of this point, I would be surprised if William Contreras was moved from Milwaukee. 12:40.978 --> 12:45.804 [SPEAKER_01]: Not ruling out entirely, but I would be surprised at this point. 12:46.888 --> 12:54.293 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in terms of trade candidates, I mean, it does feel like, you know, the guys you would dress in Houston now, the G. Good, you know, welcome, Randy Flores. 12:54.593 --> 12:56.454 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you got to figure out if you're trading Germany opinion. 12:56.494 --> 13:03.298 [SPEAKER_00]: If so, for how much CJ Abrams and Washington, this is a guy you're seeing thrown into a whole bunch of mock trades. 13:03.658 --> 13:08.622 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there any, you know, those Brewers guys can try to make it or obviously going to create buzz? 13:09.262 --> 13:14.165 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there any early offseason trade candidates you could see having a real momentum behind them? 13:15.177 --> 13:16.338 [SPEAKER_01]: Boy, that's a great question. 13:16.478 --> 13:18.218 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would look at the starting pitching. 13:18.398 --> 13:23.200 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, Rasmussen is going to generate a ton of buzz here. 13:23.760 --> 13:27.142 [SPEAKER_01]: He is somebody who plenty of people love across baseball. 13:27.182 --> 13:29.023 [SPEAKER_01]: And like I even got to hear it when I was

in Milwaukee. 13:29.743 --> 13:30.703 [SPEAKER_01]: People there loved him. 13:30.883 --> 13:32.804 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was not easy to move on from him at all. 13:32.824 --> 13:34.545 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just William Damos's a player that they 13:35.025 --> 13:40.047 [SPEAKER_01]: they coveted and moving out from Rasmus in and also JP Fire Ries and was difficult for them. 13:40.087 --> 13:51.010 [SPEAKER_01]: But Rasmus is going to have a very strong market and I could see some teams who are not willing to pay the school price there that are willing to go out and get a guy at Rasmus in here. 13:51.050 --> 13:54.071 [SPEAKER_01]: I would also look at a CJ Abrams type. 13:54.171 --> 13:55.372 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I expect it to happen? 13:56.212 --> 14:00.797 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, no, but all it takes is one team to give the nationals what they want. 14:00.897 --> 14:02.198 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I'm including him here. 14:02.238 --> 14:04.120 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's been repeated trade interests. 14:04.140 --> 14:09.006 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've used that phrase numerous times in the show and there's a reason for it. 14:09.046 --> 14:10.787 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it exactly how it's been described in it? 14:10.847 --> 14:12.689 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it been repeated trade interests and Abrams? 14:13.370 --> 14:14.391 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would look at him. 14:15.352 --> 14:20.934 [SPEAKER_01]: is definitely a player who teams either see a short stop or in the outfit that's going to generate a ton of buzz here. 14:21.494 --> 14:26.436 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I would look at the guys in Anaheim specifically Zach Netto and Reed Dettlers. 14:26.796 --> 14:30.518 [SPEAKER_01]: In the guy like Netto, you have a guy who is in every day short stop. 14:30.598 --> 14:35.120 [SPEAKER_01]: He's very, he's still young, he's controllable, really good at the play. 14:35.260 --> 14:38.361 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's more in the tank there is what people across baseball believe. 14:38.401 --> 14:40.482 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's already been a high impact player. 14:41.543 --> 14:45.397 [SPEAKER_01]: and I could see some team falling in love with him and giving the angels just an offer that they. 14:46.485 --> 14:47.625 [SPEAKER_01]: That they just can't refuse. 14:47.885 --> 15:11.650 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would look I would look at Meadow as somebody who's going to have they're really strong market here and then deathmers He had over half a league interested in that the deadline and there is going to be more teams are going to be in the next frame and also Meadow as well because there's more financial flexibility in the offseason as opposed to the deadlines So I would I could see teams bucking it up for both of those guys I would not be surprised to be either one of them if at least one of them was moved 15:12.692 --> 15:19.097 [SPEAKER_01]: I would, I hesitate to say too, just because, well, we don't even know who's going to be running a for office there and, and everything. 15:19.117 --> 15:30.768 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's obviously a huge domino, but the interest there for both players is going to be substantial and really I should name them first and second because they are the topic of a lot of buzz across baseball. 15:31.505 --> 15:36.470 [SPEAKER_00]: You heard it here first the phrase bucking it up, but you also heard it here first. 15:36.670 --> 15:38.872 [SPEAKER_01]: I want your head tilted, I like it. 15:38.992 --> 15:41.355 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, I didn't say a bad word. 15:41.455 --> 15:42.456 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not say a bad word. 15:42.476 --> 15:42.636 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 15:42.836 --> 15:45.378 [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't say bad word just something I've ever heard before. 15:45.418 --> 15:49.302 [SPEAKER_00]: A word that is new to me, live on the air of a podcast. 15:49.502 --> 15:50.964 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I feel like kind of a hack. 15:51.484 --> 15:52.426 [SPEAKER_00]: asking this question. 15:52.486 --> 15:56.431 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so let me put my hack hat on for a second hashtag hack hat. 15:57.252 --> 15:58.994 [SPEAKER_00]: People are talking about Ellie De La Cruz still. 15:59.154 --> 16:00.055 [SPEAKER_00]: As a trade option. 16:00.836 --> 16:08.045 [SPEAKER_00]: And I believe in a couple of episodes past you sort of, I said, like, hey, you know, you got to listen and probably won't be listening too hard. 16:08.826 --> 16:10.408 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you gave me a little bit of, I mean, 16:10.428 --> 16:12.130 [SPEAKER_01]: We should listen, we'll harden that. 16:12.310 --> 16:17.155 [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess will there be any actual momentum for Nelly Delicru's trade this winter? 16:17.215 --> 16:19.638 [SPEAKER_00]: I know Dodgers fans are invested here. 16:19.718 --> 16:24.043 [SPEAKER_00]: I know Red Sox fans, that was a conversation that they had at last trade deadline. 16:24.864 --> 16:29.068 [SPEAKER_00]: We all were wondering, hey, what is this, Franklin area is just being dangled rumor. 16:29.108 --> 16:31.131 [SPEAKER_00]: And it turns out like, yeah, I see you're looking at it. 16:31.551 --> 16:36.756 [SPEAKER_00]: 30, 30 short stop game changing talent, maybe best bad at the position in the league. 16:36.976 --> 16:38.758 [SPEAKER_00]: So should we take this seriously? 16:38.958 --> 16:40.139 [SPEAKER_00]: Literally, neither. 16:40.159 --> 16:43.362 [SPEAKER_00]: What was the situation with Ellie Delacruz and Cincinnati? 16:43.822 --> 16:45.244 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, that's tough. 16:45.304 --> 16:53.792 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say I would just watch a playout and be patient here because I don't expect there to be any like firm like 16:54.492 --> 17:06.180 [SPEAKER_01]: action in the near future here, but I could end up seeing, I could end up seeing teams get super aggressive here, because this guy is a very unique talent. 17:06.240 --> 17:08.162 [SPEAKER_01]: He is just built differently. 17:08.482 --> 17:15.707 [SPEAKER_01]: He is an otherworldly player and when he's

going and he's going right, there are a few players in ball that I would rather have than a Gallagherly daily cruise. 17:16.107 --> 17:21.688 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're the reds, you're talking about a guy who should in every way be the face of your franchise, and he is. 17:22.008 --> 17:28.230 [SPEAKER_01]: They also got some very talented players there, but you also have to be a realistic about where you stand as a organization. 17:28.270 --> 17:33.431 [SPEAKER_01]: As you're not a team that spends big, you've already offered him the biggest contract and organizational history. 17:33.791 --> 17:42.353 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's turned it down, and as the agent of Scott Boris and Boris is not going to be signing any extension for him before for agency, because that's how he operates. 17:42.773 --> 17:43.533 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're the reds, 17:44.633 --> 17:51.820 [SPEAKER_01]: To me, you have to listen if a team calls, because the offers you are going to get could end up being franchise-altering. 17:51.860 --> 17:52.741 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about that. 17:53.042 --> 18:00.930 [SPEAKER_01]: What the Gear Crochet trade with the Chicago White Sox, this would be a new level of trade package compared to what Crochet was. 18:01.450 --> 18:06.191 [SPEAKER_01]: And this could end up really setting up the reds to build success for the long haul here. 18:06.271 --> 18:11.272 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would definitely listen, and if a team gives me an offer, it is going to hurt. 18:11.712 --> 18:12.933 [SPEAKER_01]: It is going to hurt badly. 18:13.293 --> 18:18.994 [SPEAKER_01]: And the PR from that would be brutal, and it would be the fanbase, even further rip in the owner. 18:20.454 --> 18:23.595 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think if I'm the reds, I would listen on LED 18:28.696 --> 18:37.221 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, basically any team that's out there, the Dodgers, you do everything you can to go on get that player, get a bit more, get the price even higher. 18:37.241 --> 18:40.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would seriously consider if I was a reds. 18:40.543 --> 18:43.505 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think a trade happens, but I am not going to roll it out entirely. 18:44.933 --> 18:48.396 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I see Cateo mentioned in the comments. 18:48.496 --> 18:53.759 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe that he's got a bold prediction, you know, Ellie Delicruz ultimately comes to Boston. 18:53.839 --> 18:56.821 [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to cost you a patent, totally. 18:56.941 --> 18:59.363 [SPEAKER_00]: So, actually it's just reconciled with that now. 18:59.563 --> 19:01.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how about, okay, let's give you a hypothetical here. 19:01.925 --> 19:08.930 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you do a package for Ellie Delicruz if in Boston Red Sox that starts with Gabriel Arias and then Payton, totally. 19:09.010 --> 19:10.471 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you, would you do that or no? 19:11.794 --> 19:15.235 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I mean, it has to be, and then I'll just be more, more. 19:15.275 --> 19:15.415 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 19:15.495 --> 19:18.356 [SPEAKER_00]: It has to be like Frank Anarius and Toli, and they've already gotten rid of. 19:18.376 --> 19:18.816 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 19:19.637 --> 19:22.658 [SPEAKER_00]: And Ryan said, yeah, Gabriel Aarius and Toli, I'm in. 19:23.178 --> 19:29.100 [SPEAKER_00]: And I got rid of Ryan's in with her spoon, you know, all those duty moved to the Orioles for Ruchman. 19:30.000 --> 19:33.204 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's probably going to take you add Gonzales to that package. 19:33.244 --> 19:39.251 [SPEAKER_00]: You would have to, well, it's going to be everyone you've ever heard of in the Red Sox system, including Major League talent in Tully. 19:39.771 --> 19:45.478 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, that's the kind of trade that we were here on this show after the Richmond trade and what did you say? 19:45.638 --> 19:46.138 [SPEAKER_00]: You were like, 19:46.919 --> 19:50.041 [SPEAKER_00]: Geez, you know, got to recommend Craig Breslo for going for it. 19:50.061 --> 19:54.002 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you don't take chances, you do not get plot hits from the people that assess these things. 19:54.363 --> 20:02.687 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think if we were sitting here on this show and they gave up a totally areas and two other prospects, baggage for early daily crews, I predict you would be saying the same thing. 20:02.827 --> 20:04.968 [SPEAKER_00]: I would predict he would make the Boston Red Sox better. 20:05.868 --> 20:07.529 [SPEAKER_00]: You're looking at it with objective glasses. 20:07.569 --> 20:09.310 [SPEAKER_00]: The Red Sox have a lot of pitching to work with. 20:10.210 --> 20:11.792 [SPEAKER_00]: fans are saying totally is untouchable. 20:11.892 --> 20:12.892 [SPEAKER_00]: Anthony is untouchable. 20:13.012 --> 20:14.534 [SPEAKER_00]: I hear you on that. 20:15.594 --> 20:18.977 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're going to get LED Democrats, that's what it's going to cost. 20:19.017 --> 20:21.659 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there are other teams that want LED Democrats that have great systems. 20:22.319 --> 20:23.620 [SPEAKER_00]: The dogs will go ahead and take them. 20:23.740 --> 20:25.021 [SPEAKER_00]: If you take paint, totally help with it. 20:25.287 --> 20:27.989 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if I was to Red Sox, I'd make Peyton totally untouchable. 20:28.009 --> 20:29.469 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he is incredible. 20:29.609 --> 20:32.991 [SPEAKER_01]: He should be among the headliners in your rotation, which is already excellent. 20:33.431 --> 20:39.355 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not have pleaded from that, and also too, like Tyler Miller, you know, I like Tyler, and he said you take to a late night, he dies. 20:39.575 --> 20:44.537 [SPEAKER_01]: And I cannot let Tyler die, because we now I appreciate Tyler on this program. 20:45.638 --> 20:53.723 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would, if I'm the red socks, I do whatever I can to try to get a guy like Ellie Taylor Cruz, but I don't part with Peyton, totally. 20:54.223 -->

20:56.485 [SPEAKER_01]: And I see people talking about Roman Anthony. 20:57.225 --> 20:58.286 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't sell low. 20:58.546 --> 21:04.309 [SPEAKER_01]: I like, obviously the injury questions are like not great, and it's been lingering, and he's going to be dealing with that. 21:06.020 --> 21:08.222 [SPEAKER_01]: is going to be dealing with that like a good chunk of the winter here. 21:08.363 --> 21:16.851 [SPEAKER_01]: I still, I don't trade him because that is a player that you were super excited about, could headline your franchise, having to a really affordable contract. 21:17.452 --> 21:20.335 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't do it, even in an LA deal of cruise trade. 21:20.816 --> 21:21.957 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one guy I don't part with. 21:22.505 --> 21:28.110 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if it's no totally Roman in areas as a centerpiece and kind of less painful across the board. 21:28.931 --> 21:44.945 [SPEAKER_01]: I find a way, I find a way, I find a way, because can you imagine an offense that has Ellie Bailey Cruz, Roman Anthony, Ellie Rushman, and so on and so I mean, that's a pretty darn good, pretty darn good off, but obviously you got to give to get, um, I don't know. 21:45.045 --> 21:48.608 [SPEAKER_01]: But I, I would do everything in my power to hold on to hold on to, hold on to him and that's right. 21:49.392 --> 21:51.293 [SPEAKER_00]: will you say, don's very good team. 21:51.733 --> 21:52.714 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, we'll see. 21:52.894 --> 21:55.976 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, expect more chatter about that over the next month. 21:55.996 --> 22:00.418 [SPEAKER_00]: This and then I would expect more chatter about that through December, January, etc. 22:00.458 --> 22:01.999 [SPEAKER_00]: As fans get itch year and itch year. 22:02.019 --> 22:09.743 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, my bold predictions were going to be talking about it until a cruise trade more and more often when we don't really have a lot of tangible things. 22:10.283 --> 22:14.485 [SPEAKER_00]: to hold on to appreciate all the questions, you know, well, we'll do our best. 22:14.505 --> 22:17.806 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no package that really is not going to be incredibly painful. 22:18.066 --> 22:19.647 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to get to some of these questions. 22:20.107 --> 22:22.708 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's asking about Jay's targets and say it's Suzuki. 22:22.768 --> 22:25.209 [SPEAKER_00]: That is going to be the one Jay's fans cling to. 22:25.289 --> 22:29.970 [SPEAKER_00]: I can already tell, as we head into the offseason, the easiest connection there. 22:31.311 --> 22:36.793 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you feel like the Jay's are eyeing as the offseason begins and how reasonable a target to say it's Suzuki? 22:37.033 --> 22:42.859 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I say Suzuki to me, it makes all the sense of the world for the Jays and then you need to add some pop to that line up. 22:42.959 --> 22:54.290 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously we don't know what the status is going to be like a of a guy like George Springer and some of those other guys who are on expiring contracts there, but if you can add say a Suzuki to that line up, I go on and do that every day of the week here. 22:54.390 --> 22:54.991 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also 22:56.652 --> 22:58.994 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get back to save Suzuki, but this is fresh in my mind. 22:59.634 --> 23:02.457 [SPEAKER_01]: If I was the James, I would try to bring back Kevin Gosman. 23:02.497 --> 23:05.619 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a trade that was super difficult for that organization to make. 23:06.280 --> 23:08.722 [SPEAKER_01]: They loved him internally, and he really loved being in Toronto. 23:10.432 --> 23:12.492 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they're going to be in need of starting pitching. 23:12.632 --> 23:15.553 [SPEAKER_01]: So if I was the Jay's, I'd try to bring back Kevin Gospin. 23:15.573 --> 23:18.214 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I don't want your contractor or something alone in those lines. 23:18.674 --> 23:23.295 [SPEAKER_01]: But Suzuki, he's going to have a very vast market. 23:23.315 --> 23:25.775 [SPEAKER_01]: There is going to be a bunch of teams that are going to be involved in this. 23:26.075 --> 23:29.756 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it would turn to the cubs is overly likely at this point. 23:30.116 --> 23:36.557 [SPEAKER_01]: Not going to roll out entirely, but I think the Jay's make as much sense as anybody for a guy like say as Suzuki. 23:36.937 --> 23:39.618 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's definitely going to be one of the things that I'm tracking over the winter 23:40.898 --> 23:42.700 [SPEAKER_00]: And we got some podrires questions too. 23:42.760 --> 23:47.904 [SPEAKER_00]: I know Nick Peveta, that decision kind of thins out there already thin rotation, even further Michael King. 23:48.244 --> 24:00.313 [SPEAKER_00]: Now on the open market, do you see that being a focus of the offices into the point where they're getting, you know, they're taking care of rotation issues ahead of the lockout, given how stark those are going to be. 24:00.553 --> 24:02.095 [SPEAKER_00]: The bullpen looks a little more stable. 24:02.155 --> 24:04.997 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the way for all that's, you know, everybody but more at home. 24:05.277 --> 24:09.340 [SPEAKER_00]: But the rotation, they really need to address that as soon as they can, meaningful. 24:09.690 --> 24:12.933 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's why I was surprised when they ended up the client in the option, I nicked the vet. 24:12.993 --> 24:25.925 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought, based on what I heard, I thought that was a fair chance, a good chance of being picked up, and all the sudden I saw a Kevin AC tweet that it was declined, and I'm like, wait a second here and I checked, and turns out it was true, so good job by Kevin there. 24:26.926 --> 24:31.490 [SPEAKER_01]: But you have Poverty who's going to be earning $14 million on a club option for next year. 24:31.970 --> 24:35.173 [SPEAKER_01]: And then if they picked that up, then Poverty would have had an $18 million

24:36.534 --> 24:39.798 [SPEAKER_01]: for $18 million a player option for $20-28. 24:39.838 --> 24:46.207 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that played into the calculus because it was a $32 million decision rather than a $14 million decision. 24:46.227 --> 24:47.068 [SPEAKER_01]: So who knows there? 24:47.769 --> 24:50.752 [SPEAKER_01]: But the potter is have to be aggressive on the starting pitching market. 24:50.852 --> 24:53.716 [SPEAKER_01]: And to me, I think Friday Paralty will make a lot of sense. 24:53.776 --> 24:53.916 [SPEAKER_01]: But 24:54.828 --> 24:56.249 [SPEAKER_01]: You see, I have a ownership group there. 24:56.669 --> 24:58.271 [SPEAKER_01]: They got a taste of what winning was like. 24:58.371 --> 25:00.612 [SPEAKER_01]: They got the CO competitive that baseball team was. 25:00.932 --> 25:03.294 [SPEAKER_01]: They got the CO that Steven is absolutely rocks. 25:03.735 --> 25:07.797 [SPEAKER_01]: They have a GM and AJ Preller who will explore anything. 25:08.538 --> 25:13.542 [SPEAKER_01]: And I could see very easily these San Diego Potter as exploring the waters for TerriX school. 25:14.222 --> 25:25.091 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be a franchise defining fridge and signing when you have an offense that's full of talent and you possibly had school to that front line of that rotation. 25:25.592 --> 25:28.874 [SPEAKER_01]: Makes all the sense to me, do they pay $400 for it? 25:29.195 --> 25:31.737 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, we're still figuring out this new ownership group. 25:32.077 --> 25:39.843 [SPEAKER_01]: But you got to imagine if AJ Proler wants somebody of that caliber, he's going to pitch any sort of idea that he can do that new ownership group. 25:39.863 --> 25:41.225 [SPEAKER_01]: He's already done big deals with Scott 25:43.066 --> 25:46.048 [SPEAKER_01]: that it deal as an aged overly well, pointing it lightly. 25:46.428 --> 25:48.029 [SPEAKER_01]: But maybe this one could end up being different. 25:48.049 --> 25:53.071 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the Padres might end up being a sleep routine here for a Gallic Terrix school. 25:54.092 --> 25:55.813 [SPEAKER_00]: We will monitor that all off season. 25:55.833 --> 26:02.236 [SPEAKER_00]: And we will be checking out on the big names, the rest of the week and month, Robert and I'll be back on Friday. 26:02.496 --> 26:06.838 [SPEAKER_00]: That Japanese star posting window, by the way, it looks like it's going to expire on December one. 26:06.858 --> 26:08.960 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not pausing that thing for the lockup. 26:09.020 --> 26:10.520 [SPEAKER_00]: That 45 days has come 30. 26:11.921 --> 26:16.986 [SPEAKER_00]: In November, you'll get this frenzy, you'll get Sato, you'll get Tyra, Presumably. 26:17.066 --> 26:20.750 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be bringing down all of these maneuvers and more here on the baseball insiders. 26:20.830 --> 26:22.011 [SPEAKER_00]: No show Wednesday. 26:22.031 --> 26:26.576 [SPEAKER_00]: I know secret secrets are no fun, but Robert and I have a previous engagement. 26:26.616 --> 26:28.538 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be in the same place at the same time. 26:29.438 --> 26:31.119 [SPEAKER_00]: not producing a television show. 26:31.239 --> 26:40.301 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, sources tell me that and wider and I will we'll be together and we may hit up a brewery, so that'll be fun, but we got really fun things in store. 26:40.321 --> 26:44.502 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't talk about them quite yet, but it's going to be an absolute blast. 26:45.022 --> 26:48.143 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll let you know when we can until then, join us in the discord. 26:48.163 --> 26:53.085 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you back on the baseball insiders live on Friday, 4 Robert Murray, I'm Adam Weiner, take care everybody. 26:53.385 --> 26:53.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you everybody.