บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Make Your Happiness Accessible: Understanding The Millennial Mindset

civilization of [mm]: 2:17 Okay, why? [jordan_percival]: 2:26 warriors. That woman is just like a copyca female version of Batman, which is it's been done? You know, Wonder what it hadn't been done before? [mm]: 2:37 right [bridget]: 2:38 there'. No wonder man. [mm]: 2:38 O, Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman, [jordan_percival]: 2:45 Still Wonder Woman, [mm]: 2:46 Oh, I, Captain Mar. [jordan_percival]: 2:48 cause Cap, [bridget]: 2:48 I have. [jordan_percival]: 2:49 Marvels, just kind of like the Superman of the Marvel Universe, and I don't like Superman. [mm]: 2:55 Oh, Okay, [bridget]: 2:58 Yeah, see, I wouldn't have been able to connect those thoughts. [jordan_percival]: 3:00 There's such a thing as too powerful. You got to be able to make up. [mm]: 3:02 not when it comes to women. [jordan_percival]: 3:05 What? not? when accustomed, I've redacted all my statements, all of them. [mm]: 3:11 it'p [jordan_percival]: 3:12 who is the most technically powerful female superhero? That's who I pick every time be [mm]: 3:18 there you go. [bridget]: 3:22 There you go. now. Now you know how to answer these kinds of questions around [jordan_percival]: 3:25 No. I like this. I like this thing because you guys will tell me if I get [bridget]: 3:25 women. [jordan_percival]: 3:28 the wrong answer [bridget]: 3:31 Supermano, Batman, Batman, Wrong, [jordan_percival]: 3:32 now, right, that man is right. always correct. [bridget]: 3:39 Awesome, Okay, So should we get started? Have a little entro to do all right. Welcome to another episode of the [mm]: 3:41 I think so [bridget]: 3:47 Talking Twenty pod Guests today were joined by the one, the only Jordan perceval to chat about the journey of his twenties. Hi Jordan. How are Y [jordan_percival]: 3:55 Hello, Gus, [bridget]: 3:57 so? Jordan? So Jordan has sorry one. Jordan has pretty much had the epitome of a millenniials journey in their twenties, and he' full of a healthy mix of young dumb twenty twenties boy stories and valuable insight, and I've had the pleasure of knowing Georia of having Jordan's guidance over the past three years, career wise, because Jordan is actually the one who hired me at my current job where we still work together. not in the office, but I do. I must admit that I do miss hearing your stupid boy stories every day [jordan_percival]: 4:29 my stupid boy stories. You just went from guidance to stupid boy stories. I think it's more. [bridget]: 4:34 a healthy mix of both. [jordan_percival]: 4:35 Yeah, I think it's professional input is the word you're looking for and it's caught you to where you are today. [bridget]: 4:45 Yes, it has, and I don't know if you know this, Jodan, but I actually brought it up on a previous episode episode, or depending on when we released this, maybe a later episode. but you're actually the one who got me out of one of the deepest Valles in my twenties. [jordan_percival]: 4:59 Vae. [bridget]: 4:59 The you know, the Yes, one of the like I was job hunting, couldn't find a job going for interviews. getting let down until I came for the interview at our current job and here we are today. Do you remember that interview? [jordan_percival]: 5:13 Oh, I, absolutely. I remember that interview. [bridget]: 5:15 What did you think? [jordan_percival]: 5:16 It was [bridget]: 5:16 What was your? [jordan_percival]: 5:18 I. I had done a lot of interviews like between that day and the day after and everybody was like it was funnycause. Everybody was really just bombarding me with facts like here are here is my resume. Here are my badges of honor. Here is everything I've done and it's just like you ever get when you feel like people are just talking at you. It was a lot of that and I, I get. I get it because like the millennial job hunt is so difficult, right, You [bridget]: 5:49 Mhm? [jordan_percival]: 5:49 get out of school and it's like all these entry level jobs. They want three to five years experience and they' not even including the four years of study you just did And you were just sitting there Like. like, what? what do you want me to do? I'm I'm twenty three. Like was I supposed to have started working here five years [mm]: 6:06 Years [jordan_percival]: 6:07 ago. That that like makes [mm]: 6:07 makes [jordan_percival]: 6:08 no sense to me. [bridget]: 6:09 What do you want for me? [jordan_percival]: 6:09 So you're in this like kind of stressed out position where you're like Okay if I get five minutes alone in a room with somebody who who might be able to help me get a job. I'm just going to elevator or pitch the shit of them. [mm]: 6:20 just waylship, [jordan_percival]: 6:23 It's just going to be here's everything I've done And and what I liked [mm]: 6:23 it'ss [jordan_percival]: 6:26 about you was that wasn't the case. We sort of just kind of chatted for a little bit, and I asked you everything I wanted to know, And then when it got to the stage of that interview where it was like Okay, like I know that you're qualified and know you can do this. I know you. You know. here's your schooling background. Everything, and then you kind of get into that Viible, of like Okay, Are you goingnna like fit here? Are you just going to [bridget]: 6:49 Mhm. [jordan_percival]: 6:50 spend all your time like Noe to the Grindstone sort of living out your days, or are you going to be a presence in the office? Are you going to be somebody that fits in [mm]: 7:03 ands very easy. ands very easy. ands very easy. ands very easy. [jordan_percival]: 7:04 well with everybody? And when you get into that stage, you're sort of talking and you're you're just just

chatting back and forth. I think that's where the actual character of somebody comes out, and I think you were the first person, if if not the only person in that that row of candidates that I was like Okay, I can actually have a conversation with this person that they don't make about them and what they can offer immediately. [bridget]: 7:30 Yeah, well, I mean, I feel like it. Also, it made me a lot more comfortable because you' around my age, which was not the case with a lot of the other jobs that I was applying to was not millenniials, hiring. It was older generation hiring and they just didn't [jordan_percival]: 7:44 Yeah, [bridget]: 7:45 understand [jordan_percival]: 7:47 yeah, and it's it's It's very easy to get intimidated in [bridget]: 7:50 Mhm. [jordan_percival]: 7:51 in that setting where somebody [bridget]: 7:53 absolutely, [jordan_percival]: 7:53 is like like way older than you, because it's like you know we're We're sort of we assign that authority figure to people older than us all the time. So when you're in that situation you're almost like I have to act a certain way. There's there's really no way for me to be authentic and still feel like I'm crushing this interview. [bridget]: 8:17 Mhm. Yeah, absolutely, and knew it. [mm]: 8:17 It's also relating. Sorry, it's also relating. like if there' someone older and they're in an author of position, we just assume that maybe we won't relate to them. We won't communicate as easily. And when you get in a room with someone closer to your age, you can go. like Do we drive? Do we fit in? and especially in a creative role, it's important to have people that you feel confident and comfortable around And it is hard's harder. If that older person doesn't necessarily, you know, bring their personality to an interviewcause. It happens a lot right, [jordan_percival]: 8:50 Well, I think it's important to note that in this the situation specifically, it's like I am not Bridget's boss. She didn't know that at the time I don't think like I, I have no authority over whatsoever in her professional career. I didn't have full [bridget]: 9:01 I thought you were my boss. [jordan_percival]: 9:06 say on whether or not she actually got hired. It was more. I was making a recommendation to her actual boss about who out of these candidates should be hired, or you know, move on to another interview. So it was [mm]: 9:20 but still such a cool way to do it like. it's actually such a brilliant way to be like. you're not actually going to be this person's boss. So you're just going to like check people out and ask them questions. Don't get ahead of yourselfcause. You're not in charge of them, and it actually removes that power struggle. [jordan_percival]: 9:38 well, it was great because it, like I, I got to be the filter for something where I knew this was. This position would be somebody that I'm working with all the time. [mm]: 9:48 Yeah, [bridget]: 9:49 Mhm. [jordan_percival]: 9:49 So it like if if I am going to be like desk adjacent to somebody every day and consistently working with them and need to be able to speak to them about things and they suck like that sucks for me. [mm]: 10:02 Mhm, [jordan_percival]: 10:03 So it was. [bridget]: 10:03 What about when they throw like paper like rolled up papers at you? Does not get on your nerves. [jordan_percival]: 10:08 I've been in the office twice since locked down for things, and I've trash your desk both times. So you're you're coming back to some shit just just so you know. [bridget]: 10:18 And okay, so you and Mary know each other a completely different way, which [mm]: 10:21 y [jordan_percival]: 10:22 Yeah, [bridget]: 10:22 was completely random. So why don't you guys talk about how you know each other? [mm]: 10:26 coca. [jordan_percival]: 10:26 coca. right. coca. right. [mm]: 10:28 Yeah, Canadian Organization of campus activities, it's where I know most people. [jordan_percival]: 10:34 It's like most of your social circle is. Is that thattwor Okay? [mm]: 10:38 Yeah, [jordan_percival]: 10:38 Like for for me, my connection to Coca. was I my my first job? Actual job in the music industry was for a a booking agency called Parttic artists, Uh, out of auto. So I was working for them and I was like the designated guy to come to coca, like one of the one of the people that were on staff there Thatcause they were like. Okay, Well, if it's a student organized thing, so we want people who are close to the age of the the student government, people who are out there looking to hire shows and book things be cause. it's all students [mm]: 11:18 well, you may not [jordan_percival]: 11:18 right. It's like you're the [mm]: 11:20 sorry. [jordan_percival]: 11:20 goead. [mm]: 11:21 You may not remember that we were actually talking ahead of time because I was booking Craig and Orangeville cause Craig [jordan_percival]: 11:29 Oh, were we really? [mm]: 11:29 Cardi, Yeah, Craig [jordan_percival]: 11:31 That's so. [mm]: 11:31 Cardiff, I met at my very first cocoa, which was a million years ago And yet for people who don't know, so Coca is an organization for college university campus activities. They, anyone who's a president or a vice president or whatever they can come, and they get education. They network, they can you know, schedule, uh, sorry, Let me, they can book artists. They can, you know, it's a great organization and conference for Uh, these people who work on student associations, And so my first year I watched Craig in a showcase and then obviously he's incredibly talented. Right. We all love Craig And so I tried to book him for Orangeville and he said, I'm going to send you over to Jordan. So you and I talk several times and I got

him here. I think once or twice, and then you came to Coca, and that's how I knew who you were and then we met there. [jordan_percival]: 12:29 So it was a successful booking. I didn't. I didn't charge too much and you're like Screw. I'm out. [mm]: 12:35 No, and like I got, I was lucky I got Craig back in the day where he's like I'll come for free and just take door sales. and that's like a dream cause I'm like Rightcause. Florid's thing is getting an artist there. [jordan_percival]: 12:46 Yeah, we could have stopped that real quick. No, [mm]: 12:49 Yeah, he's too nice. He's too nice and it's great. Honestly, it was. it's actually such a smart marketing tacticcause. He came [jordan_percival]: 12:52 well, it's funny because I, [mm]: 12:56 the next year and he asked for a fee up front and I was able to do that, but still make sales back. But now Craig is who he should be, and he's getting paid what he should be paid for how good he is and we don't have a [jordan_percival]: 13:07 yeah. [mm]: 13:07 venue and Orangeville that can fit that, so I got very lucky by getting him one. I did. [jordan_percival]: 13:14 well it. that's that's hilarious. because when he's kind of the whole reason that I, I got with the agencycause. it was. He was one of the partners in the agency and I was booking him when I was still in university. I [mm]: 13:26 Mhm, [jordan_percival]: 13:27 went to little cafe that held, I think like ten people. it was so small it was called Shrag. It doesn't exist anymore in say Catherine's, and uh, a girl that I liked and wanted to impress told me her favorite artist was. so I was like. I don't know who the hell this guy is. Uh, but we're going to that show. so we went. And like he. like. I like the show more than she did. It was immediately like I'm no longer paying attention to this girl and I'm just into the music. So and uh, [mm]: 14:00 fall in love with Craig. [jordan_percival]: 14:02 I, I have fallen love with Craig. He's yeah, he stole me away that night and I just couldn't believe that he, you know, traveled all the way from Ottawa, played for ten people, I think made like a hundred Buxser, like maybe less, and I was like this is like. Why? Why are you doing this? I think I asked him a a question along the lines of like why, and he was like, Well, there's no. there's no venues that hold more people. That makes sense for me to play like if you can find what I'm in, So I lived around the corner from a bigger cafe and I went in and I had a report with the owner, so I just started booking him for that for like a do deal type thing, and he ended up making like three times the money from doing that. So he just came back three or four more times while I was still in university, because I could always get people out and sell tickets. And then when I was done and looking for a job, he was like Well, why don't you come up to Ottawa and do this [mm]:

14:55 He's the best. [jordan_percival]: 14:56 and I was like, Yeah, absolutebly yeah. So [mm]: 14:57 He's absolute best. Yeah, and used to tell a really [jordan_percival]: 15:00 so that [mm]: 15:00 quick Craig story, so like during covet, my one and a half year old nephew was dancing to a cra carurative song, so I posted it on Insiggram and wrote Hey Craig, You have a new fan and he responds and says It looks like it's time to do a show in Orangeville and I was like I'm down, and three minutes later I got a call from his agent being like Hey Mary, so cras say you want a book in Orangeville's be able. This guy so good like you, took the smallest social media pose. It was like Gotig [jordan_percival]: 15:34 he's just, he's just out here booking himself. He, he's just [mm]: 15:37 so good Id. this agent I was like. No, absolutely notd. [bridget]: 15:45 So Jordan was craiger in to the music industry? Is that how you got into the music industry? Did you always want to be in the music industry? [jordan_percival]: 15:53 no, No, definitely, not that. that is sort of how I got into the the music industry. I, I, I've always played music growing up. I've always done gigs and and written music, and that's kind of been. I had. like my, my rock surfase where I was like. I'm gonna be a musician. I wantnna be a songwriter and that's that's my thing. So I was always like one toe in the in the water for that, But it wasn't until that that I was like. Oh shit, this is a business like I can. I can make money and do things, and and like help people and really get music out there, 'cause my thing was like. I was always the guy. That's making people playlists That's bringing people to see bands that's like, You know when I, I just i. I always remember. I always tease my my roommate about this, but like first year, I think it was a Cels were playing the the college circuit and they're playing for like ten bucks at Isaac's bar in Uh, at Brock, And I went and asked all of my roommates to to come to the show with me Because I loved that Jackson Square album. I had it. I played the hell out of it and they're like we have no idea who that band is like we. We don't care. We're not going with you. So I went to the show by myself. [bridget]: 17:04 So [jordan_percival]: 17:04 and [bridget]: 17:04 this was before the archs were the archals? [jordan_percival]: 17:07 well, I mean they were always. Yeah, but like before they were Canada's favorite band you know, [bridget]: 17:12 Yeah, [jordan_percival]: 17:12 and and like, I'm so glad they are, and I think like it's It's amazing to see the growth of that. but then you have those like little stories where you're like. I tried to show you this band years ago and the same guys are messaging me being like, Hey, should we get tickets to the rally next summer? Like should we go stadium to her and not [bridget]: 17:35 no, you should have done that six years ago. [jordan_percival]: 17:37 not [mm]: 17:37 Yes, [jordan_percival]: 17:37 to be hipster? But it like, Yeah, like if you had have just trusted me, So it's like I just really get off on that idea of like I'm showing you something. I'm passionate about good music. I'm trying to share this with you and like if you respond to it really well, that's like one of my favorite things. ever. If you're like, Oh shit, that band is awesome or that song is great, or you know, those lyrics are extremely meaningful to this. I. I love that. so I think I was really drawn to that always, so [bridget]: 18:09 Mhm. [jordan_percival]: 18:10 getting into the industry was really cool for me and I. I always. originally I was going to be a teacher. Like that was my. My whole thing was like I was digging out stuff from my parents' house a few weeks ago and I found all of these like old graduation cards, and and like notes and stuff in a box, And I found all these cards from like my graduation and birthdays and stuff, and in it like aunts and uncles and my parents were like, like you're going to be a a wonderful teacher, You're gonna be such a good [mm]: 18:39 Sorry is that high school? That's high school graduation? [jordan_percival]: 18:43 high school graduation. Yeah, [mm]: 18:45 Okay? Okay, Yeah, [jordan_percival]: 18:45 and like ill, oed, at an elementary school, I worked at camps, my wife. I was always working with kids, so everybody was like, Yeah, Jorn, he's go to that guy's goingnna be a teacher And then I, [mm]: 18:55 So what did you go? Why did you go to post secondary for? [jordan_percival]: 19:00 so I, I went to post secondary. I applied to to Brock for teachers college and didn't get in. So I went general and was like I was going to take a year and and try again. And then I never ended up trying again and I just graduated with English and philosophy 'cause I was like I like those things, and then I was like, maybe I'll do teachers college. Maybe I'll do something else and then this stuff kind of started happening with the music industry and I was getting way more involved in it. so I, I applied for the Fanshaw Music Industry Arts program, the college program, And so they take like a hundred kids a year or something, And I ended up getting in so I was like Well, I guess that's my path. Now Guess I'm doing that. moving to London. [mm]: 19:39 So? how does that go for you? Like? Are you in high school going? I want to do music, but that's not a secure path Or do like, you have a passion to be a teacher. So, did you really want to go down that route or was it the safer route [jordan_percival]: 19:53 I realized that what I liked about being a teacher and what I was passionate about, I realized very quickly I didn't want to do it. occupationally. I wanted to do it more philosophically. I. I always idolized the cool teachers in my life. Like the people

who just really wanted you to succeed. had great stories rooted for you. Shared everything like they were the people that if you spent time with them, you were not walking away empty handed. By any means, whether it's a new skill or perspective or story, whatever it was, and I realiz like This is why I love those people. I don't love them because they're teachers. I don't love them because their job is to show up and and teach curriculums. So I think like, I really realized that I wanted to move like a teacher and act like the cool teacher and be the cool teacher. So to speak like it's I guess it's that cross section of when you realize that what you want to be isn't necessarily what you want to do. You know what I mean, so [mm]: 21:02 one? [jordan_percival]: 21:02 I kind of I want to. I want to be the cool teacher, but I don't want to do the cool teacher's job. I don't want to be dealing with kids all the time, because I, I don't like dealing with parents. It. It's more you [bridget]: 21:16 that's fair. [jordan_percival]: 21:16 know what I mean. It's [bridget]: 21:18 I have a friend who actually went and got her masters in teachers and she had the same kind of mentality where she was like. I have this vision of how I want to be a teacher in how I want to change people's lives, But systematically you can't do that. There are a lot of things that you need that you have to like a path that you have to follow That don't allow you to bring in your own creativity. In that way that helps people thrive. [jordan_percival]: 21:42 yeah, and that's I respect teachers a lot because they put up with a lot of garbage to do what they do. And and you don't realize that until until you're older like they, they just get so much they're just siphoned off right there. They're in this little box of how they can teach and what they can share and what they can do, and it's so much smaller than what they have to offer for the people that are passionate about it. and I I think that that must really suck [mm]: 22:14 So when [jordan_percival]: 22:15 you. [mm]: 22:16 you're you are getting all these cards and people telling you like, Hey, you're going to be this amazing teacher. This is so good for us to really get fit. And then you start your path in your twenties. Andcide you know what? maybe not the best thing for me, And you go back to Fana or to Fancha For sorry. What was the program? [jordan_percival]: 22:34 Yeah, music industry, arts, [mm]: 22:36 What wereer people's reactions? [jordan_percival]: 22:40 uh, like, it was a lot of questions a lot of like, Can you there? There's a job for you in this industry. There's people are making money doing this like I think it was. I think a lot of people thought I was having some kind of like quarter life crisis to be honest with you, or they're like this. This guy's just so lost and there's just like he had a plan and he keeps so close and he didn't stick to the plan, So I felt that like nobody was ever against me. Nobody was ever like you can't do that. My parents have always been amazingly cool and supportive of everything, but I think a lot of it was in my own head, because as people our age and and millennials and we, we sort of do get in our own had a lot like. I think it kind of goes back to this. this theory I have about when people try to say like our generation is selfish or like we're We're really involved in ourselves. I, I don't think it's so much of that. I think it's It's not that we're only concerned with ourselves. It's that we're very concerned about ourselves. I think it's like like I am a problem. That we're requires my severe and immediate attention. W. so I. I got a. I got a focus and I gotta like, think internally about what I want and how I'm going to act and who I'm goingnna associate with and the path I'm going to try and and it is very much kind of all about me in that in that moment and I'm not saying it's an excuse to be a dick. I'm not saying like other people don't exist. I'm saying that we have to be cognizant of that, and that's something I've learned is like, Don't forget to care about other people, But definitely it's okay if you are concerned about you. So I think doing that came from a place where I was concerned about me. I knew that I really liked music. I knew that i believed in what i was doing. I knew that it made me feel useful and it made me feel like I was getting somewhere and it allowed me to be in an environment that I liked to be in, so I was like Well, you know what, like I, I kind of I did it. I did the thing that you're supposed to do. I did the go to university. Get your degree. Put the diploma on the wall and then like I did it. So now I'm goingnna go do this thing for me and see if it pans out And if it doesn't And I just wasted a bunch of money and and fucked up, I'll deal with it, but at the same time it's like I'm I'm gonna do that thing. [mm]: 25:36 I think [bridget]: 25:36 So did you take time off in between when you finished school for English and went to school? Like? is that when you were working for Craig in Ottawa, or was that after you went to school for music industry arts? [jordan_percival]: 25:50 No, I, uh, I, actually, So I was working for Craig in Ottawa between the time that I went to the M. I a program, and when I finished that program, so it was I, I worked for him before and then I worked from again and it was like I kind of always been working for them in that sense, but I, right after school, there was like that summer and then I. I applied pretty much in April, right when I got home, because that was sort of the factor. I was like. I'm going to put myself out there. Throw my hat in the ring for this, sending a demo. And if they accept me, that means I'm supposed to go. And if they don't accept me, it means I appli for teachers college. And so it was like it was. It was a toss up. It was a

real toss up, but it ended up working out. so I did get in and I did go, and I was one of the older people in that program. For sure, I was kind of for all the people that I kind of hung out within that group. I was the the dad figure, but it was cool. It was a cool experience. [mm]: 27:00 I think so many people are going like in their twenties right now are going to listen to this and definitely like want to scream back at the at the podcast when they hear that thing about like the quarter life crisis, Cause, I think it's hilarious that people do. They think that and they think that there's like I had a similar adjustment. I came out of school and I was like, Yep, like you. I was like. That's part of my being. This is like. Musical theater is who I was, but it's not what I want to do as a profession, and it took those like early twenty something years to figure that out because when you're sixteen seventeen years old, figuring out where you want to go to school, your brain's not even fully developed yet, so it's so ridiculous that you get this like quarter life crisis and people going like, Are you sure you're like? No, like I'm way more mature at the age of twenty, deciding to go into a program than I am at seventeen. Yes, I'm sure like. [bridget]: 27:51 Yeah, I'm more sure now. [mm]: 27:52 Yeah, exactly. I, just like what he said. I was like. Oh, yes, a hundred percent such bullshit. [jordan_percival]: 28:00 It's not that it's it. you know. It's not that you're You're safe from that [mm]: 28:04 The idea that these expresss and sure you need. [jordan_percival]: 28:04 idea that it. It could be a stress reaction. and I'm sure a lot of people have done a lot of stupid shit as [mm]: 28:09 as a result being a [jordan_percival]: 28:09 a result of it being a stress reaction. [mm]: 28:12 one way [jordan_percival]: 28:12 But I think the majority [mm]: 28:14 really was [jordan_percival]: 28:14 of us like we are very good [mm]: 28:16 very good [jordan_percival]: 28:17 at [mm]: 28:18 and makingines exer generations. Maybe maybe women and I think [jordan_percival]: 28:18 making our happiness accessible. Like our. Our generation is very, very good at that, and I think that as a result of that, [mm]: 28:27 that we do really negatively, little more draw [jordan_percival]: 28:27 we do really think about what we want to try, and we do consider the consequences, and we do consider that we might be a little less further [mm]: 28:31 andquts [jordan_percival]: 28:36 along on the other side of it, but [mm]: 28:38 what my [jordan_percival]: 28:38 I think we've also considered that there's certain realities that are just so far out of our [mm]: 28:40 considered that there certainities are just so more out of oure [jordan_percival]: 28:44 reach for our generation, Given the state of things, Whether you want to talk about, you [mm]: 28:46 generation in state of [jordan_percival]: 28:49 know the [mm]: 28:49 housing, [jordan_percival]: 28:50 housing market, whether you want to talk about just [mm]: 28:52 Just [jordan_percival]: 28:53 the way relationships. Are the way social media has affected us the way? anything [mm]: 28:54 relationships there way, social media [jordan_percival]: 28:59 like just [mm]: 29:00 just dreams, not being as accesful as they were [jordan_percival]: 29:00 the jobs, not being as accessible as they were like we can get into any of that [mm]: 29:05 That maybe sit there and we [jordan_percival]: 29:06 and you sit there and we had to sort of adapt right We? We do [mm]: 29:10 do these things like [jordan_percival]: 29:10 these things where we're like Okay, I'm not gonna be able. I don't think I'm go to be able to provide [mm]: 29:12 one, not make one, Theseuns would mean, [jordan_percival]: 29:15 a law to the stuff that my parents provided for me to my kids, and [mm]: 29:20 and make them think of [jordan_percival]: 29:20 I don't think I'm going to be able to keep up the lifestyle being as fortunate as I was growing up, and I know that's not [mm]: 29:22 lifestyle big as as was, [jordan_percival]: 29:26 everybody's situation. But [mm]: 29:27 That was less suion, [jordan_percival]: 29:27 that was my situation. Like I grew up very [mm]: 29:29 very [jordan_percival]: 29:30 lucky in a. in a nice house [mm]: 29:31 sense, [jordan_percival]: 29:32 we went on vacations. Things like I'm [mm]: 29:33 unfortun, [jordan_percival]: 29:34 a fortunate guy. There's there's no. There's no getting around that I. [mm]: 29:37 I, [jordan_percival]: 29:38 I had a privileged upbringing and [mm]: 29:39 and [jordan_percival]: 29:40 I don't think I can [mm]: 29:41 manag that place [jordan_percival]: 29:41 match that lifestyle with [mm]: 29:43 when when [jordan_percival]: 29:43 with who I am and what I want to do right [mm]: 29:46 right now very me. So you? you just be [jordan_percival]: 29:46 now unless I like marry rich or something. So you, you just reevaluate your priorities like I [mm]: 29:51 contbution as [jordan_percival]: 29:51 think everybody has that like stupid little [mm]: 29:54 many [jordan_percival]: 29:54 millennial thing, not a millennial thing that [mm]: 29:57 they do that. Just instantly nice to [jordan_percival]: 29:57 they do That just instantly makes them happy because of successible. Is it fucking avocado toast? Maybe I don't know what is it like for me? I love going to the movies by myself. If I'm at [bridget]: 30:09 really. [jordan_percival]: 30:09 like a garbage day, I will just go to the movies when they're open and

it's not anemic whatever, But I will go and sit in a movie alone. [bridget]: 30:16 I bet that's how you're going to meet your future wife? [jordan_percival]: 30:19 What's that [bridget]: 30:19 She is also going to be going the movies by yourself and it's going to be a superhero movie. [jordan_percival]: 30:24 see you're You're painting a really pretty picture. But the reason that I like going to movies by myself is because nobody talks to me, So she's not going to fall in love with me, because I will not speak to her. [mm]: 30:35 No. This is how we set the scene. Man [jordan_percival]: 30:37 Oh, [mm]: 30:38 walks in, sits down. he has popcorn. Woman walks and sits down. She has a soda. neither of them. Talk Man realizes he forgot to buy soda Girl Realzes, she forgot to buy popcorn without saying a word. Right before the third fight scene of the Marvel movie, He passes her popcorn. She passes her drink and they leave holding hands forever. [jordan_percival]: 31:01 I think you have to stop at the sharing popcorn thing because strangers asking to take a sip of your soda is just so off pudding. [mm]: 31:09 But it's your future wife. What are you talking about? [jordan_percival]: 31:12 I know, but we have to switch. We have to change this so that I just offer I know, but we have to switch. We have to change this so that I just offer [bridget]: 31:12 Yeah, you should know. [jordan_percival]: 31:16 her some of my popcorn and I, even though I'm thirsty, I make the sacrifice her some of my popcorn and I, even though I'm thirsty, I make the sacrifice to not ask for some of her soda. I'm just the giver in this situation. to not ask for some of her soda. I'm just the giver in this situation. there's nothing about. there's nothing about. [mm]: 31:27 Chivalry is not dead folks. [jordan_percival]: 31:31 See. See, it's like you. You got to you got to be a gentleman. You got to offer something. It's not always about the the given take. [mm]: 31:38 Right. [jordan_percival]: 31:39 forgive. [mm]: 31:40 Well, you know, you mentioned a bunch of things and you said we could really get into the [jordan_percival]: 31:44 Yeah, [mm]: 31:44 mortgage relationship and we are, But I think we need to like back up to this whole thing about stupid decisions. [jordan_percival]: 31:52 Okay, [mm]: 31:52 Bridgets got really good questions for you, so we're just going to let her take this one away. [jordan_percival]: 31:57 is this like a lightning round like? [bridget]: 31:58 I don't know if Jordan's [mm]: 31:58 I think you should read it forbe him. [bridget]: 32:03 read it verbta. [mm]: 32:03 can I? [bridget]: 32:05 Yeah, you can, but I don't think he's going to go for it. [jordan_percival]: 32:07 I feel like these are going to be very leading questions. [mm]: 32:08 no, no, no, no, no, F. boy. were you super F. Boy, he did, and about the Tri, digging about the truth or fat boys. That's not a question in the statement. [bridget]: 32:20 The truth of boyys. [mm]: 32:22 Any stupid Fort boy stories? [bridget]: 32:25 So Jordan, you were a fat boy in first year in your first year of university, Which [jordan_percival]: 32:30 Well, technically all through my university. Yeah, [bridget]: 32:31 is something that is something that completely blew my mind, Because you just do not seem like the frat boy top. I know the frap boy type and it's not you. So what is what? What is it like being a fat boy? Are they all duse bags? Apparently not, Do you have any stupid stories? [jordan_percival]: 32:50 no, so like I, I'll I'll tell you how it sort of happened because I was very much like you where I. I watched all the American Pie movies and I was like these guys are deche bags, masogyistic, a holes. whatever, Like not the guys I want to talk to. So my my roommate came home one day from like one of those university fairs, where like all the clubs join, and like they try to get you to join their thing, but they'll throw a frisbee or whatever. So he came home and was like he had this frisbee and was like God, I'm going to join this frat like I'm These guys seemed really cool. So he ended up going out and joining this thing and I would just rip on them for it like I. I made every joke You think that I made. I made like No Holds Bar. I was relentless about it and then it was like around Halloween where he was like Yeah, like I'm going to. I'm going to join this thing and he had already joined and he was in it. And then he asked me if I wanted to come to this event and I was like I, I do not. I do not want to come to that event [bridget]: 34:01 Absolutely not. [jordan_percival]: 34:02 And then he was like, No, No, No, you'll love it. I was like. Okay. What is it? He goes? It's a. It's a haunted house, so they're turning the fraternity house into a haunted house for a big brother's big sister, So they're all dressing up there doing this big charity thing where like you bring the kids through, They had all this stuff and like you, just kind of jump out and scare kids and it's for charity and it's cool. so I was like all right. Well, yeah, oh, that was all right up my alley. Like [bridget]: 34:25 This is so up your alley. [jordan_percival]: 34:28 that sounds actually pretty fun, so I'm gonna show up and and do this thing. So I, I came out and I met a bunch of the guys and they were all just like the opposite of who you would have thought they were goingnna. be. they were all just like really intelligent. Like had their stuff together. A lot of the older guys like I really looked up to, because you know they, they were really introspective kinds, like just cool people. And I was like this. This is a group that I can, I can get into because growing up I never had a lot of guy friends.

I was always the guy that was like I was friends with a lot of girls 'cause I didn't play a lot of sports and I did music and like I had sisters growing up, So it was just easier for me. I got along with them better, so I kind of made that challenge to myself that I was like I'm gonna make some dude friends. I'm gonna bro out and and see what happens, So I ended up doing it, and uh for two years after that I was the philanthropy chair, so I planned all the philanthroy events, all the charity things, so we ended up doing like a like a coffee house. Uh, so we raised money to like build wells and buy goats for villages and in underdeveloped countries we did uh, like a gladiator, like a bro gladiator to uh [bridget]: 35:53 raise money for goats in under developed countries? [mm]: 35:55 thank you. [bridget]: 35:56 Is that what you just said? [jordan_percival]: 35:57 villages. Yeah, yeah, so you, there's yeah. there. There's organizations where you can like buy a goat for a village that helps them. [bridget]: 36:09 So much more? I like. Are you buying pajamas for the goat in Africa? I just don't get it [jordan_percival]: 36:15 No, we're we're sending. We're sending like Drake down to to do concerts because he's the goat. They love himmo. We, we fully funded it. We sent him down to Nab Namibia, and uh, he played a show. [mm]: 36:30 And then the next [bridget]: 36:31 it great. everybody was happy. [mm]: 36:31 year they sent Tom Brady and just rotation [jordan_percival]: 36:34 It we been Ray, too. Yeah, exactly [bridget]: 36:39 So what [jordan_percival]: 36:39 we. [mm]: 36:39 Cheerry for the Gos. [bridget]: 36:39 are what other kinds of events [jordan_percival]: 36:43 So we. we like. Yeah, we did a lot of really cool, really cool events that I was like, really proud of on a personal side of things to like Bring this 'cause there there was obviously the party side of it And we did. We threw cagars. We, we had a good time, but the the focus of it was just about providing something to the community. Like our our student community. To me, it felt no different than like a, like a student organization, like a student government in a way, because a lot of it was just about making that university experience better for people and I really [mm]: 37:20 This was so much more humble than I thought it was going to be. [bridget]: 37:24 know? [jordan_percival]: 37:24 well. and it' it's funny 'cause like [bridget]: 37:24 I thought he was going to be like A. Yeah, We were mesed, [mm]: 37:25 Se. like. I almost like him dripping a tear versus girl storyories. I thought we were going to get out of this [jordan_percival]: 37:32 Yeah, it's like you're not going to get many gross stories Because it was like you also got a note that it's way different in Canada, Like this isn't really a. The. The Greek life thing is not really a thing

in in Canada. It's you know they have it at universities, but it's not celebrated in the same way. It's not held up on this pedestal where you get people with shit, tons of money and egoes, and like family heritage involved that are making it this gross, hazy, weird thing. [bridget]: 38:02 Mhm, [jordan_percival]: 38:03 It's just to me, it's a. It's another club that's available to you at university to make your experience better and help you connect with that community and just do cool shit. Have cool experiences. Remember your time there fondly, it. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, sor, sorry. it wasn't more likebll [mm]: 38:24 's good. [bridget]: 38:26 boring. You's me, [jordan_percival]: 38:27 releasing chickens. [bridget]: 38:31 you St. suck. [mm]: 38:31 Well, [jordan_percival]: 38:32 Yeah, [mm]: 38:32 so the best thing that you could probably say came out of your experience was your roommate. Correct. [jordan_percival]: 38:42 uh, yeah, yeah, probably yeah. like I would say, a lot of the friendships I, I have currently are those guys that have kind of lasted the test of of time here, especiallyly, co, especially my roomm. Yeah, cause we've lived together a few times. We just bought this house together, you know, to to heterosexual males. [mm]: 39:04 Yeah, we want to get into that. we want to get into that. we want to knowcause. recently buying a house. You buy it with a [jordan_percival]: 39:14 Yeah, [mm]: 39:14 friend, which as a millennial, I think is really cool. It resourceful. It's possible, but we have. we have lots of questions about this because I think anyone listening is going to be like two bros who were in a frat together, bought a house together. That seems ridiculous, but we we know you guys and it was a super adult thing. It was not like two Ft boys just being silly, but any [jordan_percival]: 39:41 well, I mean, we do keepggnapped in the bathtub at all the time. So there there'. [bridget]: 39:47 They've turned it into a Ft. [jordan_percival]: 39:48 Yeah, [bridget]: 39:49 house. They have their own front house. Now. [mm]: 39:49 gotcha. so the value has definitely gone down since you moved in. [jordan_percival]: 39:55 it's you You want to know what's crazy Our Us like two months ago now to basically I think like, sort of slightly encourage us to sell because she was like. The value of your house is up like two hundred thousand dollars. [mm]: 40:11 And when did you buy? [bridget]: 40:12 Wow, [jordan_percival]: 40:14 September. [mm]: 40:18 That's fantastic. [jordan_percival]: 40:18 it's [bridget]: 40:21 what was it like looking for a house during that boom? Because was that when the housing market was upper? Was that that was right before? Wasn't it? [jordan_percival]: 40:30 it. I, I don't know. to be honest with you. I have no idea where on that time line of like things being insane, we were, because I just didn't want to think about it. I was like. I have this goal in mind. I have money set aside, because again I've been lucky and I think in a situation where a lot of us have where when I was done school, I had a significant amount of student debt and really cool parents who let me go back and live in their house for as long as I needed to, and save money and pay things off and not pay them rent. I think like all I had to do was cut the lawn and barbecue sometimes, and it was like the the ideal situation for for that [bridget]: 41:20 So how long did it take you to save up? then? um, After school, you're paying off student debt and your saving up for a house? How long was that whole process? [jordan_percival]: 41:28 well between working and playing gigs and any sort of like odd job thing I could do. It didn't take me too long like it. It was more. I think it was like two and a half years before I was like I can. I can pitch for half of a down payment [bridget]: 41:50 Okay? Yeah, we have to take into consideration that it's as well. [jordan_percival]: 41:54 Exactly. so my [bridget]: 41:55 Yeah, [jordan_percival]: 41:55 other thing was like. It was a lot of conversations about what was available to me and weighing things out like I've I've always been brought up on that idea of rent is the devil like I, I've [bridget]: 42:13 Yes, it is. [jordan_percival]: 42:13 always had such a problem with rent. I haven't had bad landlords. It's just that concept of it has always bothered me. It feels like when you're like on a road trip and you're you're driving in the States or something, And you like come up on a toll boooth. and you're like Oh, fuck another one. And you're like digging around in your pocket for five bucks just so you can carry on. It's like that is that is rent. You are just existing in a place for a month, and then somebody like knocks on the door takes eight hundred dollars from you and then you're like Yeah, I can exist for another month here. Not that that's like that. That is necessary for a lot of people and they. they don't have the situation that I have, and it's like you gotta do something. but I think being able to sort of jump over that weird hurdle we have that cohabitation should be like exclusive to dating somebody, or like a romantic relationship is weird because like it's. not only are you sharing the cost of a mortgage, but like you're sharing equity, you're putting this money into something that you're gonna get back later. It's an investment that you're gonna get more money, but [mm]: 43:29 Mhm. [jordan_percival]: 43:30 it's on like by the time I sell this place, I'm going to have more money than I put it. Potentially even a full down payment on another house. So like just to have those agreements in place where everything's fifty fifty like you're going in as friends. All of the legal stuff is dealt with

beforehand before there's any reason to be mad at each other. I think it's a really smart idea. [mm]: 43:56 So what are some of other variables? [bridget]: 43:57 So what other kinds? Yeah, that look exactly. That's what to do. Cover it. [mm]: 44:01 Yeah, What other variables did youcuper have to consider when you first started talking about doing this together? [jordan_percival]: 44:10 Well, I think we had to consider how we are going to deal with all the associated costs. Uh, and something that we did was. we just basically decided that in order to get through all that and not be nickling and diming each other and keeping track of everything and needing receipts, we're going to open one account. so we opened a a house account at one bank. We both have cards and access to it, and the, the agreement is that we both make one full mortgage payment into that account per month, so that covers bills that covers property tax. Like all the money that's in that account goes to paying all of that stuff, and then [bridget]: 44:58 brilliant. [jordan_percival]: 44:59 food. external things fund things. that's all you know on us and our own personal accounts. But anything that's house related like, I mean, we're doing our bathroom right now, so all the stuff that we need for that is coming out of that account and as long as we're each putting a full mortgage payment in there, that's That's an extra nearly. you know, two thousand dollars going into that account every month. That just keeps going up and that at the end of it at the end of the year, we kind of look at what's in there and we can make one large payment on that mortgage to kind of bring it down a little bit. so [mm]: 45:35 So co toal. [jordan_percival]: 45:36 to give you you much in. but it's it's very easy. like it. it? [mm]: 45:40 Yeah, and like one mortgage payment, I mean as someone who has a house, it is stressful because you were talking about the tolls and rent also feels like that when you first buy a house, because there' mortgage payment, but also there' insurance on the house, but also there's insurance on your mortgage, but also there property tax And you don't know what that is for the first four months, Like save up [jordan_percival]: 46:03 Yeah, [mm]: 46:04 some amount of money. [jordan_percival]: 46:05 that's true. [mm]: 46:05 Okay, and it' all [jordan_percival]: 46:07 So [mm]: 46:07 these things so for you guys to be like, Hey, I technically only have to pay half a mortgage, but if I just set aside that full amount, it takes care of all those costs. And like you said, any like booboos on the house and any scratches and Ft parties with holes in the wall. It's fixed like you've got that, and my biggest question is like, Is this just like a trust thing that you guys are going to do it, or did you go to a lawyer? Did you write up an agreement [jordan_percival]: 46:35 we do. we

have a. We have an agreement that we each have a signs copy of. So the the idea is that, I mean like we have the house for a certain amount of time, with the agreement being these stipulations and these things that we've all agreed to, and in that certain amount of time, that's the rules. And then at the end of that time period we got to kind of reconvene and decide what we're doing And if we can't come to an agreement, we sell the place, split the money and leave. So it's again, it's not I, in my mind, it's not very difficult. It's just you have to be in a certain situation to have that happen. You have to have somebody that you trust enough that you've you know, maybe lived with before that you're close enough with and and be cool with the rules being the ruot, and deal with all that shit before you move incause. Because then it's like you're doing it from a place of your both friends. You've agreed to this or whenever there's any argument. You just reference that document [bridget]: 47:41 Mhm, [jordan_percival]: 47:41 and say like, look, man, I don't have to argue with you because we've already made the rules. The rules is the rules. There's no. there's no argument. [mm]: 47:49 like the loft agreement? New girl? [jordan_percival]: 47:53 Yeah, it's the. It's the loft agreement Exactly. [bridget]: 47:57 So Um, what happens? You guys did this one? You were what twenty seven years old is when you bought the house? [jordan_percival]: 48:05 Yeah. Yeah, well, no, I had just turned twenty eight. It hasn't been a year [bridget]: 48:05 So what happens when you just turn twenty eight? So what happens when one of you? [jordan_percival]: 48:08 yet [bridget]: 48:10 what happens when one of you gets into a serious relationship? [jordan_percival]: 48:13 So well that actually has happened. So Cooper has has recently. Oh, I mean, this year gone into a serious relationship so he has a. He has a girlfriend now that he's quite happy with and quite serious about and like to be honest with you. Not too much has really changed because again we've established this thing about this is what's happening with the house. You know you're committed for this certain amount of time. it's already kind of agreed upon, so everything is more just like your casual roommate stuff. you're sharing space. Your, you know, dishes, bathrooms, whatever, Like the basic shit that we've all gotten to handle on earlier in our twenties. If if we went to to school or you know, had a roommate or anything, you just sort of you find a way to deal with it. You, just you have your. I don't know, your attitude towards it and how you deal with things and it's been fine, [mm]: 49:15 So is the the thought thate Cooper's girlfriend decides to move in? It's between them to work out his half of the dealcause, Really Like when you sell it? That's that whole half. It sucks that it's not a third each. If say she were to move in, but you still get half the equity. If you stick to your portion, you know what I mean. So is that how it works Like? Just it would be up to him to like figure that out. So talking about Cooper behind his back. [jordan_percival]: 49:42 so no, no, no, that's cool. So like our, Our sort of agreement on that is like there. There isn't going to be a situation where three people are living in this house. [mm]: 49:51 Okay, [jordan_percival]: 49:53 You know what I mean. So it. it's going to be for the duration of time. Whoever moves out. I move out with somebody. He moves out with somebody. he's still on the hook for for that half of the money. For as long as we both own this house, type of thing, and we decide what we're doing with it. So they're like for that time period that our current agreement is afterwards, will revisit it and come up with something else, or we'll just sell the place and he'll take his half the money and go off with his girlfriend, do whatever he wants to do, and I'll take my half and that's it. [mm]: 50:29 hey, [bridget]: 50:31 So I remember you talking about the process of getting a house in Hamilton, and it being difficult because your two young guys. not a lot of people want to sell to you. Can you talk about how you made that happen? [jordan_percival]: 50:46 Yeah, you can't. definitely. um, so I, I'll I'll preface this, where it. We never said anything directly, Uh about the nature of our relationship. We never clarified to anyone, and we got to a point where we had looked at so many houses and we had gotten so many rejections, and just the the process of it was so grueling that we started writing letters to people when we put offers in. So we wrote these really nice letters and for this house, Uh, I knew that it was a a very kind female owner with a dog. So I, we had walked through the house and I, I sort of gathered uh information about her. I guess, like things that I thought would would appeal to her based on what she had out in her home. Uh, I, I deciphered. This is go to sound so creepy. By the way [mm]: 51:55 it's great time. [jordan_percival]: 51:56 I had. [bridget]: 51:56 It already does [jordan_percival]: 51:58 I had detected that [bridget]: 51:59 I went in her underwe. [jordan_percival]: 52:00 I did. I absolutely not absolutely did not happen. Um, but she, she had a lot of stuff for like Cosmopolitan she had like a bar car. She had a lot of pictures of her and her dog. She had pictures of her and her friends. So I wrote a letter that really appealed to that and suggested that the nature of of mine and Cooper's relationship was one that we might happily buy a dog together and be spending more time in in one room than maybe we do. And uh, I think that that appealed to her and she felt like she was doing a favor to Uh to a young couple, And that if my cons are way into buying this house, [bridget]: 52:59 I love it. I love that

start. [mm]: 53:00 That's amazing and you've put before this house. You guys had put other offers in correct. [jordan_percival]: 53:06 I think we went through. It was like seventeen. We saw we. I know we definitely saw over twenty houses, and we put offers in on six or seven of them before we got this one. [mm]: 53:22 Yeah, desperate times [bridget]: 53:23 and that must be so hard because you get. so you get some attached to one house. And then it's like a little many heartbreak because you picture your future with Cooper in that house. [jordan_percival]: 53:32 Y. We. I stopped doing that because it was like I. I had just been hurt too many times. I stopped getting my hopes up for for houses at that point because I was just like my heart has been broken. I'm still in that state where it's like you know when you, when you know when you have like a really bad breakup and you're just kinda out there and you're meeting people. But like you don't care, you're not really putting anything into it. You're just like I'm goingnna have this conversation and maybe it's going to lead. Maybe it's not. but if if there's any rejection, I've already closed myself off to it, that's how I. What happens is [bridget]: 54:10 So, speaking of break ups, have you ever been in a serious relationship throughout your twenties? [jordan_percival]: 54:15 Yp. Absolutely [bridget]: 54:17 And how did that? How did that go? What factors played into cause you are single Now? [jordan_percival]: 54:22 Yes, [bridget]: 54:22 So what factor is played into the decision of ending that relationship? [jordan_percival]: 54:28 So I, it really does go back to kind of what I was saying before where it's like Y. it's very easy to fall into that you date somebody for a long time and it's working out. And and you're you, youve put some stake in it and you're like really unhappy. Uh, and then it ends and then it's really easy for you to fall into that like this is about me. I hate that person like they were a dick. A. and you like that's the hill you'll die on when things end and it's very easy to do that and I think that if there's one one thing I've learned it does. It goes back to that whole. Like people our age are very concerned for themselves. It's not that they're only concerned with themselves. It's that they're worried about certain things in their life and they're worried about how together their lives are, and they're worried about comparing their life to other peoples, their parents whatever, and they think that they need to have certain ducks in a row to be happy. and to a degree I think that that is important. I think that there's a lot of that stuff that you do have to kind of have one hand on the wheel, or sort of an idea with before you get into making my stuff our stuff. [bridget]: 55:48 Mhm, [jordan_percival]: 55:48 So I think it's it's for me. It was getting to that point where you know I

was dating somebody who was finishing up a degree, and you know she was [mm]: 56:00 is [jordan_percival]: 56:00 not sure where she was going to be when she graduated based on job prospects, based on even just wanting to live in certain locations. whereas my stuff was feeling pretty handled, you know, like I had a plan for buying this house. I had my job. I had my friends. I had my family that I want to be close to, and it's like all of my things that I was concerned about were were kind of cool. So I was in a position where I was like really down to have a relationship and like not be so concerned with me and and dive into that. So I really went kind of headfs into the emotional side of that relationship and didn't spend a lot of time thinking about. Is she so concerned about herself on these levels? so I guess when when things sort of came to a close, it was she graduated and was wondering where she was going to be? She was wondering like she didn't have a ton of friends 'cause she had just moved from somewhere else. There was no real attachment. There's just so many things that she was concerned about for herself that I was sort of like well, like you need to sort that like you need to W. to take that time and and go and do it and handle it. and like one of my my favorite things to say to people and it was like a hilarious thing that a drunk person said to me once, and it just resonated with me. And that's have you considered that this isn't about you. And and I think that that's such like a profound thing once you stop and realize that like most of [mm]: 57:46 the. [jordan_percival]: 57:46 the time the answer is no, I haven't actually stopped and considered that this thing that's been bothering me isn't actually about me. So I think that in, in that sense in doing that, it was really kind of an easy thing. As hard as it was, it was like it just made a lot of sense because at that point I was able to understand that all of the things that led to that decision there's all those micro decisions that happen in your head. You're like. What about this? Okay, this is how I feel. What about this? Okay? this is how I feel. How many of those little micro decisions that were happening in her head had nothing to do with me, and I kind of came to the conclusion that I bet a lot of them had absolutely nothing to do with me? I bet on the other side of it, it was like that relationship was one of the few things she thought she had handled, Whereas everything else was like this requires my attention. So I [bridget]: 58:41 Mhm, Mhm, [jordan_percival]: 58:42 think that when you get to that point and you're like I'm all in, but you're in a space where you need to handle some shit, it's really important that we we do that that you, you let go and be cool about it. Because we're all. [mm]: 58:58 So. How long had? sorry? How long have you Alwayys been dating before you? What you got to this point? like? Did you realize this together? [jordan_percival]: 59:08 so it's funny 'cause this, this sort of same idea has happened to me a few times in my life with one relationship that was three years. One, that was six months. so it, it sort of has happened the first time round. It was really hard 'cause I was not prepared and had not realized the things that I had realized right. I was considering that it was entirely about me and that this this person just didn't love me any morere. because I was garbage right, And you get into that like that stupid heads spaceac where you're like Fuck, you can't. You can't pull yourself out of it until you think about it a different way. [mm]: 59:43 Mhm, [jordan_percival]: 59:45 So a second time around was like weirdly weirdly comforting, Right, it is like it's like you've levelled up. You are prepared [mm]: 59:53 You like a god? This. [jordan_percival]: 59:53 for this level of game. [mm]: 59:56 I got the scars on. [jordan_percival]: 59:56 You're like [bridget]: 59:57 Like I'm awesome, This is definitely not about me. [mm]: 59:59 Yes, [jordan_percival]: 1:00:00 you like this is James Bond and sixty four gold. I just picked up the Golden gun. I'm ready for this shit. [bridget]: 1:00:08 One of my favorite things about your Jordan is your ability to pull analogies out of your ass in like two seconds. [mm]: 1:00:13 yeah, yeah, yeah, because I do that all the time. They never make sense to anyone but me and yours are spot on. [bridget]: 1:00:20 They really good. [mm]: 1:00:21 You know what, though, [jordan_percival]: 1:00:21 Did you know the word you were doing when you said that bridge [bridget]: 1:00:26 What? [jordan_percival]: 1:00:27 analogies age out of your ass, [bridget]: 1:00:32 No, I didn't know I was doing that annoogies. [jordan_percival]: 1:00:35 Angies. that's the turn. It's an anogy when you pull the let, [bridget]: 1:00:40 Jordan's annologies are coming out [jordan_percival]: 1:00:47 That's the whole takeaway from this potsk. Nothing else that has been said [mm]: 1:00:51 never, [jordan_percival]: 1:00:51 is useful to, but there's going to be like a billion people walking around referencing anallogies, [bridget]: 1:00:57 hash shack analogies twenty twenty, one'm. to let it happenen one'm. to let it happenen [jordan_percival]: 1:01:00 Hatchgg, analgies, [mm]: 1:01:02 not what I want to be known for, but I'll let it happen if that's where this spot goes, [jordan_percival]: 1:01:07 Whatever works. [mm]: 1:01:08 but seriously during, like, what an interesting perspective because I think for this younger generation with online dating and life shit, and in our twenties we think that we're going to own houses and we're going to have jobs and we're going to find that person and we're going to have babies and have marriedry and have

all these things, And then when they don't happen, we're so disappointed and I see a lot of millennials. Getting frustrated because of where how our generation is growing up, and part of that is like most of us don't have just like a religion to fall back on To say. this is how things go, or you know tradition within your own beliefs. Like if you're a lost soul going like, I have no fucking clue. It is really hard and it's hard not to take it personal when like two souls are together and it could be really great. But like the timing's just not there. How do you not take it personally when like one person is like I'm ready. I'm here. I've got my shit together. It's fully timing that the first time you were like, I have no fuckingue I'm doing. I'd like this person to be around and they're not great. Let's add this to the notch of shit. I don't know what the fuck is going on, but the second time round you're able to go like. here's some perspective on life. This is just a reality. This isn't necessary, and for someone you care so much about you are able to look at her and say you need to be alone right now for you, right like you, add your shit together and you're ready to be open and vulnerable for a person. You deserve a person who is open and ready to give you that vulnerability. You know what I mean. [jordan_percival]: 1:02:43 Yeah, yeah, and like that's that's huge, I think, and I think it's cause you know Mary, you and I are are similar age. We've kind of had a lot of similar experiences in in talking with you. and I think that like this is something you get. And but it's it's very hard for people who are younger. You know. Maybe it's like their second relationship ever, or maybe even their first where it's like you put a lot of weight on the emotional side of it. And and you know, like I'm not saying, I'm not a romantic person. I'm not saying that like I don't believe in that you know butterflies taking over everything. Logic doesn't matter because you're so in love and that's going to work and drive you tiil. you're old and gray and that's awesome if you can find that fully. I am so happy for you, but I think the more times it doesn't work out, it's easy to fill your head with garbage because of how much weight you put on needing to have that life partner [mm]: 1:03:46 Yeah, [jordan_percival]: 1:03:47 and and it really it's with you, especially if it's like you feel like that's the last piece of the puzzle right like we have this like checklist in our head where we feel like I need to have all these things sorted out before I can be happy, and you know, like I said before we readjust our priorities to make. Our happiness accessible sometimes, and I think this is one of those moments where you do you need to readjust your prioritycause. Just because it's the last thing on your checklist that you think you need to handle. It doesn't necessarily mean that the next person who gives you a little wink is going to be the person

that you marry. You know, it [mm]: 1:04:24 yeah, [jordan_percival]: 1:04:24 might be another heartbaks, ination. they might not be ready. It might not be about you [mm]: 1:04:28 well, I hope I hope. [jordan_percival]: 1:04:29 and you just ha, [mm]: 1:04:31 Sorry, um, I hope that the girl, whoever this girl was heres that, because only ever growing up as a female, the perspective I have is like there's been this like past of women are just going to be taken care of, or you have a certain place in society and your role in a household in a family. So if the man has their shit together great, we're good to go, But you need people in your life that are able to say like, No, like you should learn to be alone. Bridge and I talked about it recently, like one of our favorite part of our twenties is being independent and learning about ourselves, and like sitting in our discomforts and learning about being alone, like Bridge said the other day, She's like the past year of growth of like being alone in her bedroom during covet has been huge and she's so excited to keep going with that part of the podcast. She is so exciting. Like having men be able to turn around and say that, And like, I hope some of the things you said does today you said to that girl, because hopefully she can turn aroundund and be like, Yeah, I should be on my own. I should find myself [jordan_percival]: 1:05:36 and that that [bridget]: 1:05:37 Yeah, it's [jordan_percival]: 1:05:37 you' right it. It was a very. That was as candid of a of a conversation as what was had. That's I tri To do that in most areas that are like that where it's like I'm a very easy guy to break up with. [bridget]: 1:05:55 you shouldn't be jored [jordan_percival]: 1:05:56 I'm kidding. That's I'm just saying like [bridget]: 1:06:00 and the worst [jordan_percival]: 1:06:01 it's it's important. [mm]: 1:06:01 with me, [jordan_percival]: 1:06:03 it's important to have those like sort of open conversations in those situations like thatcause. It's it's easy, like I said before, to just assume things and put how other people feel into your head without asking them directly or or feeling that from them, or you know, giving them a chance to to say that. So and that's where you just end up hating somebody that you don't actually need to hate Right. It is like a real, just honest experience that they needed to figure some shit out. It had nothing to do with you and you don't need to spend your whole life feeling inadequate or shitty or sad. And that person is no less cool or great or everything you liked about them is definitely still intact. Be cause. that's who they are as a person, Because I think once you get into that whole thing you're talking about those like micro decisions. If if the only decision they had to make was entirely about you, and you reflect on who they are as a person, that decision wouldn't have been made

right. if there was only one choice to make and it directly was about your happiness, they probably would have just chosen your happiness. [bridget]: 1:07:16 Mhm [jordan_percival]: 1:07:17 There was a lot of other shit that went through the ringer on that ultimate decision. So [bridget]: 1:07:23 guys. I'm just like sitting back here and I feel like I'm in a therapy session right now, because I am. I am literally going through this right now [jordan_percival]: 1:07:28 what? I would have Bill Bothk of you? Y, [bridget]: 1:07:32 where I have was with somebody that I saw the rest of my life with and I'm going through a breakup right now, which I'll probably get more into depth in a future episode. But these are the things that are going to my head and the realizations that I'm making, So it's really nice to hear it from a different perspective and from somebody who can just say who's been through it before it could be like, No, this is. these are the facts. Get yourotions out of the game. Just go be yourself again, [jordan_percival]: 1:07:58 when it's it's not necessarily like. Get your emotions out of the game like I'm I'm not a cold hearted bastard, and I'm just like you need a terminator. This shit forged earth. Nobody matters. It's just you hot girl summer. Let's go. But, but y, in a way it's like it. It's thinking that it doesn't have to do with you. It's easier to come to terms with your emotions from it, because you're not adding misinformation to it right. You're just like I'm sad about this because I'm sad about this. I'm not sad about this because my ex boyfriend thinks I'm ugly or is in love with somebody else or whatever right. It's like you add that shit on your own because you've made it about you and you have no clarification or evidence towards that. You're just that's how you're thinking right. But if you sit there, [mm]: 1:08:57 and a lot of times in those scenarios. A lot of times in those scenarios you're wanting to place your anger to place your anxiety and so you put it [jordan_percival]: 1:09:05 Oh yeah, [mm]: 1:09:05 into Okay. Well, oh, they said, this will a dick, which just makes it easier than being hurt or being vulnerable and being like [jordan_percival]: 1:09:12 oh yeah. [mm]: 1:09:12 this, just sux and is sad. [jordan_percival]: 1:09:15 you don't have to sit with it because it's like now. now. You're you know? you're the victim, right? you're like this has happened to me. I need vengeance. I need to go out and I need to get hammered and I need to date six more people [bridget]: 1:09:30 which is very hard to do in a post calbn, or in in a not postcover, in a not postcovered world. [jordan_percival]: 1:09:36 you can order from breweries. Bridget. You're just not being very resourceful. [bridget]: 1:09:40 Yeah, I can order boys from breweries, Jordan, [jordan_percival]: 1:09:43 Yes, when yes, you, [mm]: 1:09:43 Oh my god, new business, new business, [jordan_percival]: 1:09:46 Yes, you can. the [bridget]: 1:09:47 Oo, boys, [jordan_percival]: 1:09:48 delivery guy shows up. He's been slugging, slugging, two fors all day into that truck. His bicepts are huge. He as [mm]: 1:09:55 boys and Bruce, boys and bruises. You order a six pack [jordan_percival]: 1:09:58 was' Bruce, [mm]: 1:09:58 they show up with in a sixth pack and you just spokeuck. [jordan_percival]: 1:10:02 six pack [bridget]: 1:10:03 new business idea, Scrap the podcast, [jordan_percival]: 1:10:07 starting businesses. So this is this whole thing is about angel investors. So if you have like a modeling agency and a brewery that would like to join forces under the umbrella of the Talking Twenty Podcast. Like what? the? uh? [bridget]: 1:10:20 Reach out. [jordan_percival]: 1:10:21 The The? didn't the one podcast they made like an alcohol company, You guys can do this, [bridget]: 1:10:26 We can do this, Mary. We can do it, [mm]: 1:10:27 got the chickolates the hockey Chcks [jordan_percival]: 1:10:31 You, the pink, Whitney, the [mm]: 1:10:32 with me [jordan_percival]: 1:10:32 Uh, the purple [mm]: 1:10:35 six packs and six packs. [jordan_percival]: 1:10:38 edit that out. So it's not a commercial for them. But like you guys know edit that out. So it's not a commercial for them. But like you guys know [bridget]: 1:10:38 Yp, Bruces and boys, [jordan_percival]: 1:10:41 what I was talking, what I was talking, [mm]: 1:10:42 Totally, You couldn't leave that that's fine. [jordan_percival]: 1:10:45 Mary's the one who brand dropped. Come on, [mm]: 1:10:48 Did chicks call [bridget]: 1:10:50 I, So Jordan, Earlier you were talking about that you peng on one second, need to formula this Okay. So earlier you were talking about being in the music industry and now you have your own record label. Is that what it is as a record label? [jordan_percival]: 1:11:06 yeah, yeah, [bridget]: 1:11:07 Call Canary Minor Cltinary, Minor music. So what? what kind of um process was that To start that up? [jordan_percival]: 1:11:08 yes, yes, ma'am [bridget]: 1:11:15 What made you want to start your own record label? [jordan_percival]: 1:11:19 a lot of it. Honestly was the the shutdown was when I started getting a little more serious about it. Was this just idea that so much content was being created by creators that I believe in by artists that I love that work very hard. That have kind of had their whole industry taken away from them who were just starting to get some momentum. You know, maybe they had a tour books, and these are all artists that maybe I've worked with to some degree in production. songwriting. Just help them out with marketing whatever along along the road, Uh, and it became the sort of idea where like, like

these people need help. They, they need a team. They need somebody they can trust. Um. I was able to provide some resources [mm]: 1:12:08 Sssss? Just [jordan_percival]: 1:12:08 through our our current job. That, and you know, even just on my own, so my partners in this business, one of which is Uh, Steve Bron, showed. He owns a studio, uh, on his property', a beautiful studio. So I mean he's got that business going, so I saw this as a way to to leverage people in from artists that are recording there, and that that we're working with and and help with distribution, and help with marketing, and even making contacts. Because I know that when this thing subsides everybody's wanna go, gonna want to get out of the gate running, and a lot of the independent artists don't know how to do that, or they just don't have the support system or it's just been too hard. It's [mm]: 1:12:52 too many to [jordan_percival]: 1:12:52 been too many things to do at once, and they don't know how to position themselves or have the time to do it or whatever to to be able to come out with a release into the new Year and support it, and and have it do what they want to do. So we started carrying out of music. I, I've always kind of had the the business under my belt. That was kind of when I was running my my songwriting and and production stuff through when I was working with an artist. that was my business name. So to call it so we just sort of me and and Steve, and and my roommate Coupe, who's great with marketing. Uh, we sat down and we just decided that we were go to make this available as a real business to people, so we signed on a roster. We've had some great releases. We've done some really cool stuff in the small amount of time we've been around. Uh, one of which is like we've gotten. Uh. one of our artists sinked on a a show for a p t N. called querenciia. It's a very cool show. It's a actually very fitting with the with your first podcast episode It's it's a. It's a queer. indigenous love story. Uh that this music was involved in. So Katherine [bridget]: 1:14:06 Cool, [jordan_percival]: 1:14:07 Fisher's uh song roots is in the second episode of that, It well, very cool. I mean, [mm]: 1:14:12 four. [jordan_percival]: 1:14:12 she. She made that happen for herself, but that's that's kind of a cool little Nod thing we you know were releasing Uh, Stephen Ryan's album. So Steve has been working on this record for years. Like I talking. He was working with S. Leon's manager for a while and he was kind of shelfed and he had all this stuff sort of in the pipeline, and people who were like big wig industry people kept sort of putting him on the back burner. And and [bridget]: 1:14:40 Mhm. [jordan_percival]: 1:14:41 I always hated to see it, so we we met up, and we kind of have a game plan and he's going to be releasing this music now, which is like great, awesome music that I can't wait for everybody to hear And it took sort of this business coming together for him to be like. You know what, Fuck it? I've been working way too hard to to not share this content with the world. I think it's good enough and I have a team that I I trust in and we're going to get it out. [bridget]: 1:15:09 Yeah, and we. we have a cool little coab coming up with Stephen Rhine's new new album. So, but [jordan_percival]: 1:15:14 I was waiting for you to say it. It's not my thing to plug. but [bridget]: 1:15:18 yes, yes, but we're keeping it on the on the huh hash right now, And uh, but it's going to be. It's going to be superqul, really excited about it. So Jordan, are you doing any artist recruitment If anybody is listening to this and they want to you know they want to be with Canary Minor. How would they go about doing that? [jordan_percival]: 1:15:34 yeah, yeah, like for. for me, it's been very grass roots. Hass been very much about artists that we work with and and like and know. So, for me, it's very much about establishing a relationship like if if you're an artist and you, you could use a team and and you want to do some cool stuff together. please, by all means, message me, invite me to show. Let's hang out and chat. because I, the the thing with this business is very much not being that just website, click hier offer a service will take anybody. [bridget]: 1:16:13 I love that. [jordan_percival]: 1:16:13 It's very much about like we're going to put time into you and we're going to really try to help you as much as we can and I need to know that I can do that with you and I need to know that we vibe before that. That's something that that I can promise you anything. Really. So I think [bridget]: 1:16:33 Yeah, that's great. [jordan_percival]: 1:16:33 yeah, I'll definitely hit us up on on intagram. Carry amount of music. Facebook. you can just email me canary amount of music at g, ml, dot com'sck. [bridget]: 1:16:43 Amaing. We'll link all of that in the show notes as well. [jordan_percival]: 1:16:45 Cool. [bridget]: 1:16:47 So I think you answered the second last question, Mary. So uh, you think the one about? Oh know? Yeah, your question. [mm]: 1:16:56 I do want to say it is very impressive because you have been very focused on happiness and lifestyle, and I think that that something that people can learn from, I would be interested to know if you even have anything. Is there anything when you look back that you would do differently? [jordan_percival]: 1:17:18 I would do a lot of stuff differently like I, I think like I. I'm really [bridget]: 1:17:23 Mary [jordan_percival]: 1:17:24 happy that. [bridget]: 1:17:24 and I were like No, during our interviews. [mm]: 1:17:24 I really know I live with no regrets. [jordan_percival]: 1:17:28 No, like I'm I'm really happy. You said that like I'm I'm It's very nice to hear, but like, I think my

perspectives on things have really come from spots where I do regret what I did or you know how I reacted to something, or or been too closed off or whatever it was. They all came from like positions. I think like you have to regret something in order to to want to change it right. [bridget]: 1:17:56 Mhm, [jordan_percival]: 1:17:57 So I think there's a lot of situations where you like relationships. Uh, t, how I treated schooling. I, I was really not into school. I didn't value knowledge and learning as much as I valued experiences. and now I'm sort of coming into this spot where I do really wish. I listened more to people who were trying to teach me in in a lot of ways like I, I talk a lot about. You know, you try to be the cool teacher and I like the cool teachers because of who they were and how they responded to their environment and how they treated people, and I was very focused on that, but I missed out on a lot of the actual content of what people were trying to show. me like hell. I went to. I went to [mm]: 1:18:52 Mhm. [jordan_percival]: 1:18:52 an engineering college for audio engineering, and if you put me in front of a console today, I bet y. I couldn't even couldn't even run it by myself, because that three hour engineering lecture where they taught you what all the littlenobbies do. I just zoned out because it was boring to me and it just didn't didn't fit with what I wanted to do. I wanted to do business and marketing, and I wanted to you know, be the cool guy that introduced all the bands. I like. The the science of it was was nothing to me, and now going into the studio and working with people, I really wish that I could double as the engineer as well as the producer [bridget]: 1:19:33 Mhm, [jordan_percival]: 1:19:33 like that would be a huge benefit to me. But there's so many instances in my life where I just didn't care about the the actual [mm]: 1:19:40 It's [jordan_percival]: 1:19:40 knowledge [mm]: 1:19:41 so hardcauses, people [bridget]: 1:19:42 Yeah, yeah, I feel that way too with. Oh, sorry, yeah, I feel that way too. When I look back on my schooling, it's like there were so many valuable things that I could have absorbed at that point in my life, but I just I was focused on, you know, getting the experience of being in school and party and all that stuff. I, still, I still did my stuff, but there's a lot of knowledge that if I had gone to school when I was a bit older, I definitely would have absorbed more and I would have been more appreciative of [mm]: 1:20:10 totally, and it's hard because everyone says to you when you are in school like Oh, take advantage of these resources like you'll miss it when it's gone. And I remember that in school like [bridget]: 1:20:19 bla. blah. [mm]: 1:20:20 whatever, it's fine, and then literally the year later I'm like damn has a lot of good stuff and now I have none of it. Co. Yeah, [bridget]: 1:20:28 Now I have no access to it. I think that the thing that my, [mm]: 1:20:29 no', fantastic. no', fantastic. no', fantastic. [bridget]: 1:20:33 the money that I paid for school, the thing that I got out of it the most is my current unlimitedmail drive. Honestly, still my my Ris andil unlimited, it was. It was worth the thousand, hundreds of thousand, hundreds of [jordan_percival]: 1:20:50 And that's it's also the email that you used to sign up for all, like the [bridget]: 1:20:50 thousands, tens of thousands of dollars. [jordan_percival]: 1:20:54 coupons, and like the free good food boxes, and whatever you get right. [mm]: 1:20:58 Yeah, the span. [bridget]: 1:20:59 Yeah, yeah, it's like you throw awayail y [mm]: 1:21:01 so during Wwood, sorry, what would be your advice to twenty something Now like people that are currently [jordan_percival]: 1:21:11 I, yeah, like, I keep going back to it, but I think like the the best. [mm]: 1:21:21 I'm sorry, [bridget]: 1:21:22 elaborate. [mm]: 1:21:25 but did not like that answer. [bridget]: 1:21:28 I was like I've always done that. [mm]: 1:21:31 We haveve literally been told to shut up. We haveve literally been told to shut up. [jordan_percival]: 1:21:31 No, No, I mean to elaborate. I, I don't mean like just talk, because you like hearing yourself talk. I mean like the the best things that have helped me make decisions or come to terms with things, or kind of figure out what I'm going to do has from having friends. That what we do when we hang out a lot of the time is this, we sit around and we chat. You know there's no [bridget]: 1:22:02 No, no, [jordan_percival]: 1:22:03 microphones or cameras, but we just kind of work through shit, and a lot of it is is just talking and I think having relationships where you can just [mm]: 1:22:12 Sm. [jordan_percival]: 1:22:14 talk is such a a big thing and again to go back to it. It's keeping your your happiness accessible, And it's I know you're so concerned about yourself during these these years, but be cogniissant of that. Understand that like, Don't forget to care about people, because that's something I think I've done a lot over the years being so concerned with setting up my own shit, And it's like I've done it to a degree and and I'm I'm happy with where I'm at, but at the same time I think there was a lot of times where I could have been a better friend or a family member or there for somebody. And just I didn't notice that I would have been of benefit in that situation because I was so [bridget]: 1:23:00 mhm. Mhm, [jordan_percival]: 1:23:01 hyperfoed on what I was doing and I, I think I I missed out on a lot of really cool moments with people and chances to solidify those relationships because of of how I was, you know, focused. so I think that that's if there's three things. Talk to the people you love all the time. Make friendships where you can do that. keep your happiness accessible and don't forget to care about people. [bridget]: 1:23:29 I love it. such such great words of wisdom, Jordan. So thanks so much for coming on the Podt Todayy and being our first guest that we've interviewed besides each other and our mothers, and for putting up with us. you know, not being able to come up with questions off the top of our heads. So you mentioned earlier, people want to get in in contact with you about Canary Minor, or person inside in the music industry or just life in general. The best way to do that is on intram or by email, which I will link in the show notes. [jordan_percival]: 1:23:58 Yeah, like I'm on all the social media too, Like Jordan Percal. Music is my my personal instigram handle. You can message me there. I'm always happy to chat with people. I like friends. [bridget]: 1:24:11 Amazing, well, this has been another episode of Talking Twenty, Just a reminder to make sure to follow and subscribe to the podcast on whatever platform you're consuming it on this along with rates and reviews seriously helps us to grow the podcast, So it's the best way to show your support. We would also love if you followed along with our journey on Facebook and Instgram at Talking Twenty podcasts. Thanks for listening, [jordan_percival]: 1:24:34 You guys are so fucking good at this. This was [bridget]: 1:24:36 really. [jordan_percival]: 1:24:37 awesome. Oh [mm]: 1:24:37 Oh my God, my, as hurt so much, guys. [jordan_percival]: 1:24:40 my.