บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Corbin Bernsen - Actor, Producer, Writer - Interview

00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:51.759 feel better if it's one of those days. So thank 37 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.479 you for that. And I have to say I loved 38 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:56.479 Arnie Becker. Don't get me wrong, but I adored you 39 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:57.319 on psych. 40 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:03.800 Right all over the place, right, yes, yes. While your 41 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:07.240 career has spanned everything from intense courtroom drama to comedy, 42 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:12.039 faith based films, directing, producing, and even painting, looking back, 43 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:16.240 what originally drew you to storytelling as a career, either 44 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:18.080 in front or behind the camera. 45 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:22.080 Well, you know, I have to ponder that. You know, 46 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.159 as you get older, we start to ponder our lives. 47 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:27.560 And you know what drew me there? What drew me here? 48 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:31.719 I am I'll tell you when we go out to dinner. 49 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.680 My family have four sons and a wonderful wife. We've 50 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.439 been married thirty seven years to Amanda. We go to 51 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:39.919 dinner and they'll catch me staring at people, and Dad, 52 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:42.439 don't stare. You can't look like you can't be staring. 53 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:50.719 I'm fascinated by people, and I'm fascinated by the human experience, 54 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.120 the good and bad of it, by the way, the good, bad, 55 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:56.240 and the ugly. I you know, I'm keenly. I've been 56 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.800 thinking lately with all this stuff going on in the world. 57 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.879 For instance, you know that is let's just call it 58 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:06.039 negative right now, or bad or adversarial. You know, when 59 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:09.599 the Artemis rocket went up a month ago or so, 60 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:11.879 you see that little picture of the globe and I 61 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.039 sit back and I go, wow, we have this incredible 62 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:18.879 gift of this planet and life. And from the you know, 63 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:22.360 tops of mountains to the lava fields, to the deserts, 64 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:25.480 to the you know it, just to the redwood forest, 65 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.879 and we have this incredible beauty, this ball of beauty, 66 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:33.720 to be enjoyed and to love and to cherish each other, 67 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:38.360 and somehow we as human beings, screw it up. And 68 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:40.600 you know it's not now, It's not just the stuff 69 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.079 we're going through now. We've been fighting each other for 70 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.680 years and years. So I guess what I'm saying is, 71 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:50.000 I'm fascinated by the human condition, the capacity to love, 72 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:55.639 the capacity to hate, the capacity to make amends. I'm 73 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:59.480 fascinated by that. And well, I do a little bit 74 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.279 of painting. That's that's lesser in my life. I love 75 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:06.759 to draw, but storytelling and writing specifically, and I think 76 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:10.360 is why I studied play writing in college, because I 77 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:14.079 was so influenced by the wonderful you know, the Arthur 78 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:18.319 Miller's and and people like that, and Shakespeare if you 79 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:21.759 want to go back further. But I'm fascinated by the 80 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:28.079 human experience and specifically this thing we do with one another, 81 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:30.879 you know, this thing, the good, bad, and the ugly 82 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:36.519 of it. So I think I through my art, through 83 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.439 my writing, and certainly through my acting and the characters 84 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:46.319 that I choose to play. I want to express that 85 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:50.000 in hopes and it's I didn't do. It is a 86 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:53.279 means to an end, but I want to. I sort 87 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:55.959 of love holding up that mirror and saying, this is 88 00:05:55.959 --> 00:06:00.720 who we are and and let's all recordize that, and 89 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.279 if we can rectify it from there, great. But it's 90 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:05.079 not really that I don't. I'm not in it to 91 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:10.879 like change the world, but I simply love expressing who 92 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.399 we are. So if I stare at somebody in a restaurant, 93 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.279 which could be a little bit uncomfortable for those with me, 94 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:20.079 it's funy because I'm trying to I've seen something. I've 95 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:23.519 seen a piece of personality, the way somebody eats. I 96 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:27.199 saw the other day two people that were clearly on 97 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.000 a date. But I've never seen two people so far 98 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:32.879 apart in my life, even though they were sitting across 99 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:36.560 from the table. I'm fascinated by it. Wow, that took up. 100 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.120 Thank you. That was really a wonderful interview. That was 101 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:40.000 my long answer. 102 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.439 Well, you know, it ends up being a perfect segue 103 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.879 into my first question. You know, Ellie Law was a 104 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:53.360 cultural phenomenon, and you know, I was a young teenager 105 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:58.120 and was driven and drawn in by the storytelling and 106 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:03.920 Arnie Becker. I feel was like the most

multifaceted parrots 107 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:08.000 are on the canvas. You know, he could be funny, flawed, frustrating. 108 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.160 So how did you find the humanity in him? And 109 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.360 what were the funnest parts to play though? 110 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:18.160 The humanity with him? And I find it with actually 111 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:21.920 now it's sort of a tail into that doing your 112 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:27.240 friends and neighbors. It's sort of the other end of 113 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:32.480 Arnie Becker. I always I had, well, I wasn't. I 114 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:36.480 met my wife a year into it, so I understood 115 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:41.480 the capacity for love and to be loved and family, 116 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.560 all those things that extend from it. And I saw 117 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.519 him as a guy who did not have the ability, 118 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:51.839 for a variety of reasons. One, in pursuit of his 119 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:56.199 career and money and all that stuff, was unable to 120 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.240 attach himself to that thing that he really wanted to 121 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:04.439 love and to be loved. Yeah, maybe something. I didn't 122 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:06.759 go so far as writing a backstory, but I'm sure 123 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.240 his childhood was completely screwed up. I think his mother 124 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:13.480 was possessive. My mom. Geene Cooper played my mom in 125 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.680 it for a couple of episodes. Yes, actually got nominated 126 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:19.519 for an Emmy, which is remark we both did for 127 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:25.560 that episode. And his father probably was just not there. 128 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:30.319 He was a distant father. So I felt bad for 129 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.639 Arnie Becker. So you know, on paper, when you read 130 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.919 that he's a gold chain, you know, poorst drive and 131 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:41.480 pick up the girls, all that. But I always knew 132 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.799 he was a lonely, lonely man, and we saw that occasionally. 133 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:52.240 And I chose, if you will is the lead or 134 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:55.879 the bass for this character, to play that, not play 135 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:57.759 the obvious. You know. I think they saw a couple 136 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.600 thousand people and I was not in a camplished actor 137 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:02.559 at this point. Believe me, I was. When I got 138 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.039 nominated for an Emmy, I was blown away. I thought like, no, 139 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.480 I'm not even good yet. I'm not I'm not there. 140 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:12.559 But I think people were responding to my ability to 141 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:16.879 find empathy. My mother, God bless her. One of her 142 00:09:16.919 -->

00:09:20.240 first acting lessons for me was teaching me empathy. If 143 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.919 I could. A short story she you know, one day 144 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:25.799 when I decided to be an actor, she said, I 145 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:27.600 said to her, I said, how do you get the tear? 146 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:29.919 Where the tears come from? She took me to a 147 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:33.279 door and showed me a doorknob. She said, touch that doorknob. 148 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:36.960 Now turn the doorknob and open the door. Now close 149 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.960 the door, lock the door, Turn the feel that doorknob, 150 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:43.559 she said, in all of life, that poor doorknob just 151 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:46.840 gets to be a doorknob, in this wonderful experience of 152 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.320 redwood trees and ocees and fishes in the sea, it 153 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.200 just gets to be a doorknob. And do how do 154 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.799 you feel about that? I said, I feel sorry for it, 155 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:02.240 And she said, you have empathy. And I found empathy 156 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:06.559 in all my characters. They still do. I still I 157 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:11.799 don't try to find much more than really attaching the 158 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:15.440 human experience I've been talking about to the character and 159 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.960 finding out, you know, and just feeling for them. Feel 160 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.279 I feel for them, so that I think creates the 161 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:24.840 multi dimension. I don't sit there and go, I'm going 162 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.799 to layer this guy to the hill. I just I 163 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:31.279 just feel for the character. I feel what they're missing. 164 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.679 I feel their joy when they have it. But more 165 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.840 often than not, the characters I play are deficient in 166 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:42.159 something that makes them fully human. And I try to 167 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.519 find that, and then I just bring me to it. 168 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.639 You know me, who's for all my faults or whatever? 169 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:55.000 A humanist? And then you get these and the words 170 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:58.080 do the rest. You know, the words. The words are important. 171 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:00.120 You got to have the right words and the right story. 172 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.840 And I just opened my mouth and try to get 173 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:07.120 the words out ninety percent of the time, and the. 174 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:09.679 Right acting partner helps. I am sure. And thank you 175 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:10.080 so much. 176 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.600 Pam and I are lifelong soap fans, so thank you 177 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:16.399 for sharing that story about your mom, Jeanie the incredible 178 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:18.559 Catherine Chancellor right. 179 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:23.759 Right, And you know, with your mother's career spanning generations 180 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:27.759 of television, I just have one question about your mom, 181 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:30.360 although I could ask a million, but we were very 182 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:33.480 blessed and we did get to interview her years back. 183 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:36.879 When you face challenges in your own creative life, do 184 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:39.679 you ever find yourself drawing on lessons you learned simply 185 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:43.399 from watching how she handled hers? 186 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:47.240 Uh? Yeah, funny, that's I guess I do. I haven't 187 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:50.440 really thought about it, but I do know that I 188 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:55.080 was influenced by Look, here's a woman who married a 189 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:59.279 Hollywood guy, my dad, you know, had children. She probably 190 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:04.840 gave up a bigger career for family. You know, she was. 191 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:08.120 She told you she was under contract at Warner Brothers 192 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.080 and all that, but she, you know, my dad got 193 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:14.240 to pursue all his fanciful dreams of being a producer 194 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:17.360 and a big shot and things that were important to him. 195 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:19.399 And again, I have empathy for him, so I don't 196 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:22.519 I'm not angry at him. Empathy you know where I 197 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:26.240 know stuff happened in his life that you know, he's 198 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:32.000 filling voids. But my mother took it upon herself to 199 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:39.720 be able to carry the family, uh, you know, make 200 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:46.200 do so the family had clothes and food. I mean again, 201 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:49.320 small stories, and I guess my mother's stories are the best. 202 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:52.159 But my mother was a wonderful carpenter. I don't know. 203 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.759 Most people don't know that she built stuff. We built. 204 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:59.279 We renovated garages into nanny flats for a great aunt 205 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.279 that I had two of them. And she would some 206 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:06.000 years she would build these little boxes that ultimately they're 207 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.759 sort of twelve by fifteen. Maybe they had little hinges 208 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.720 on the back, and she'd put them like Garfield or 209 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:14.720 something on the top, and she'd brain paint them a 210 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:18.240 right color. She would make these wonderful little boxes and 211 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.879 wine job wine racks little beautiful stuff. She's very, very 212 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.879 talented carpenter and I

learned carpentry from her. But when 213 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:29.919 we were at a real low Now imagine this, I'm 214 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:34.360 living in Beverly Hills. All my friends' families are doctors 215 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:37.440 and lawyers, with swimming pools and tennis courts, and they're 216 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:42.000 all getting porsches for their sixteenth birthday. We were at 217 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.559 a low point financially, but we're we had to live 218 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.000 in Beverly Hills. That was my dad's thing, you know. 219 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.840 And my mother made a slew of these little boxes 220 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:57.840 and sold them to Beverly Hills Stationary at Christmas to sell. 221 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.840 She made them and ended up but I don't know, 222 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:05.600 maybe a thousand bucks so we could have Christmas. Yeah, 223 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.639 that was her. That was the other side of this, 224 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:11.480 you know, woman who is also an alcoholic and all 225 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.240 the other things we know. So you your question. I 226 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:19.519 look at the things that she did to keep the 227 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:24.000 family going, which has always been number one priority to me. Uh, 228 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.080 and at the same time continue this art, this passion 229 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:32.879 that I have for acting and storytelling really more storytelling 230 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:37.480 than anything. And when times are low, I go, look 231 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:42.000 what she did, and I actually have it better than 232 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:44.840 she did. You know, I've never gone to a point 233 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:48.000 where I've had to build jewelry boxes to sell to 234 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:51.039 the local stationary store at Christmas so we could buy 235 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:55.480 Christmas gifts. Yeah, and I draw on that and I 236 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:58.559 you know, and it ultimately, I'm not gonna say it 237 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:02.080 killed her, but you know, life, you know, she might've 238 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:03.919 had a lot more life in her if she hadn't 239 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.279 had to struggle so hard. I mean, look, she took 240 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.000 a soap opera. You know, that's a big choice actors make. 241 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:14.120 Like you're she's in her mid she's around fifty, I guess, 242 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:17.360 or so her mid forties. And I remember we were in 243 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.279 Hawaii and she had an offer to do the Young 244 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:21.799 and the restless. She goes, should I do this? Because 245 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:25.399 she knew, especially with soaps, you're in you're in there 246 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.279 not a lot of people these days that come out 247 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.559 there have been you know, there's plenty of actors who 248 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.559 you know, started in soaps and worked a web, but 249 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:37.159 not many. There are not many. And she knew the 250 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:42.279 commitment she was making simply to keep you know, acting, 251 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:46.919 doing the things she loved, but also to to you know, 252 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:51.840 feed her family. And you know, dare I say maybe 253 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:55.039 part of her alcoholism was based on that. Was that 254 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:56.279 that struggle. 255 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:57.679 You know that she stressed. 256 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:01.360 Yeah, the stress of like not pursuing nothing, you know. 257 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:03.679 I mean I remember the one time she was really 258 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:05.840 came out of it. She did a and it really 259 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:08.159 inspired me to actually be an actor, even though at 260 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:10.799 that point I hadn't chosen. She did The Miracle Worker 261 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:13.559 at La Joya Playhouse, and I saw my mother playing 262 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.279 Annie Sullivan up there on stage. And I was a 263 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.720 young guy and I thought like, wow, look at my mom. 264 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.200 That's not my mom. This is this and it was 265 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.840 fascinated that she could become this character. But she really, 266 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.120 she really blossomed during that, you know, getting back on 267 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:34.360 the stage and and you know, so again to answer 268 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:36.679 your question, I just she did what she had to 269 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:40.919 do to satisfy both her creative side and her family. 270 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:44.759 But I think family always came first. I should probably 271 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.399 write a book, you should tell a little story quickly. 272 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:50.279 So my mom wrote a book, you know, she wrote 273 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:55.559 a book. It Young not Wrestlers or whatever. She gave 274 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.639 it to me and I never read it while she 275 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:02.440 was alive. I never never. I don't don't. I don't 276 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:07.119 know why. Maybe I didn't want to knowing who she was, 277 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:08.759 I didn't want to hear this. I didn't want to 278 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.839 confront her about anything, and I let it rest. So 279 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.880 twelve years after she's gone, I see her. We're moving 280 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:17.119 and I see her book. It's always on my desk. 281 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.240 It's always been on my desk. I thought, you know what, 282 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:23.519 you're an ass read her book. And I read her book, 283 00:17:24.079 -->

00:17:31.720 and I was taken aback by how simple she made 284 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.640 some of her problems to be. There were a lot 285 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:36.680 of things in there I might have challenged her on. 286 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:40.160 You know, if you know, when you're an alcoholic, you 287 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.720 have a very selective memory of how you got there. 288 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.480 But all in all, I thought, like, wow, it's a 289 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:53.160 very it's not a complicated book. Although every this is 290 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.039 the thing when I really learned she hated my dad. 291 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.240 Every chapter. It could have been the business plan was 292 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:02.960 incredible in the and the grandpa was there, and this 293 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:05.400 was there, and and we had the brand new car 294 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:07.759 going down and the last words of the chapter was 295 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.079 always and that effing husband of mine. You know, it 296 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.519 was nothing to do with it, nothing to do she 297 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:21.319 always she really hated my dad. You know what, I 298 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:25.200 think she really loved him, and that's the problem. 299 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:27.920 Well, you know, as they say, there's a thin line, you. 300 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:33.440 Know, absolutely, and and honestly, the book is brave, you know, 301 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:38.039 we we we all, I think can see pieces of 302 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:41.079 ourselves from whatever our struggle is. 303 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:42.759 Nobody gets their life without struggle. 304 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:46.759 And and and you're really able to connect at least 305 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:48.680 on that level in the book. And you know, if 306 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.279 you're a soap opera fan, there's so much more. But 307 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:56.119 rolling this back to you, my friend, do you have 308 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:00.400 quite the you know, history of playing dramatic character and 309 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.160 being able to really kind of pull the knit and 310 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:06.000 the grid out of dramatic scenes. 311 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:08.640 But then there's that comedy. 312 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:12.640 Side especially you know, as I said on psych does 313 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.079 that come natural or is that something you had to 314 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:16.160 develop along the way. 315 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:18.960 Well, you know, my comedy's not like I've never really 316 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:21.720 been really good at sitcoms as it were, you know, 317 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:23.880 if you really look back at and I mean, yes, 318 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.720 I did an episode Seinfeld and a couple other and 319 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.559 I'm okay in I'm not like a sitcom

guy. I 320 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.400 think through everything we've said, let's just boil it down 321 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.880 to for all of what we said, for all of 322 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:39.440 the humanists, and the way we treat each other and 323 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.440 all that. I kind of find it funny. I kind 324 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:44.960 of you know, I kind of find you know, people 325 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:47.680 are arguing to make it current and I'm not picking 326 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:51.319 aside here. People are kind of bitching and moaning about 327 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.759 Trump and this and Trump that, and and I kind 328 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:58.920 of find it humorous. There's something, you know, there's something 329 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:01.480 funny about bold letters being written in the middle of 330 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:06.200 the night. So I find humor in characters that are 331 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:11.079 not necessarily humorous, you know, I think me human beings 332 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:14.400 were just The example I use often is you know, 333 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:16.480 you know, you walk down the sidewalk and you trip 334 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:19.599 over a little crack. You always look back at the crack, right, 335 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:21.440 and you're like, no, it's not the crack, it's your 336 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:25.319 clumsy feet. And you know, so I think there's a 337 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:27.799 way to look at people, you know, and by the way, 338 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.680 you are devastated that you've tripped on a crack, and 339 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.359 ten people around you behind you were all laughing exactly. 340 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:38.720 Humor is sometimes humor is in the eye of the beholder, 341 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:42.880 and if the truth of a situation gets you so 342 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:46.359 riled up or so, you know, in the case of Seinfeld, 343 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.880 like this, idiot's telling me this cat story. I'm not 344 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.200 really being funny. I'm just getting all riled up about it, 345 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.279 you know. And there's something funny in that. I'll tell 346 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:57.920 you that. I'll give you the big funny. There's something 347 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:02.200 I've been using lately, you know, when the world gets 348 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:04.160 a little too heavy for me and a little too like, 349 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:06.519 oh my god, and people are what are we doing? 350 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:09.119 I think it's during the whole Artemis thing again that 351 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.720 we saw that little ball of this beautiful blue planet, 352 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:15.039 right and somebody came on and it was one of 353 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.839 the astrophysicists, novelists, kinds of guys and said, you know, 354 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:23.559 in a

billion years, the sun is going to eat 355 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.680 the earth and none of this will be here. And 356 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:30.519 I saw humor in that. I mean, think about how 357 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:34.559 is to get ahead money? And your neighbor's fence line 358 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:36.359 is here, but I want one more foot because it's 359 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:38.640 really mine, And how dare you cut down that tree 360 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:41.599 that hangs over into my yard? And I want one 361 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:44.319 hundred dollars more. My trailer is bigger than your trailer. 362 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.720 The actors like, in a billion years, the earth is 363 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:50.799 going to be eaten up? What are you doing? You know, 364 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:59.559 there's a kind of an absurd humor in this devastation 365 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.559 that we look at life. I mean, yes, it has 366 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:05.119 its up and down. Death is not easy, none of 367 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:07.640 you know. Then you think, you know, I don't know 368 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:09.599 if you ever think about death that you go like, well, 369 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:11.720 it's not a bad club to join. There's a lot 370 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:14.279 of interesting people on the other side. And that's kind 371 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:18.680 of funny, you know. Yeah, terrible as death is. It's like, 372 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:21.799 you know, I mean, I'm not one who thinks my 373 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:24.359 mom's up there telling jokes. We can make jokes about that. 374 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:27.279 But you're just like, oh, yeah, you're just in you know, 375 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:30.240 for all you did and all the struggle and all 376 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.039 this life and then this and that you made all 377 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:36.640 these jewelry boxes. You're dead. The sun is going to 378 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.960 eat the earth, and all these other people are dead too, 379 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:40.359 So have. 380 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:43.319 A lie, right, Yeah, yeah, you have to have a 381 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:44.160 sense of humor. 382 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.519 That's that's kind of where my you know, I mean, really, 383 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:52.839 just clear your head for a second and think, aren't 384 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:56.720 we humans just funny creatures? We are? I think we 385 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:58.440 are funny creatures? 386 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:02.720 Yeah, absolutely, So the drama is. 387 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:05.440 The drama part of it, right, the funny part is 388 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:08.519 the stepping back and realizing how absurd. 389 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:14.079 Yeah, you know, and being able to mix the two 390 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:18.960 and find you know, the humanity in the comedy and 391 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.079 the comedy in you

know, in the heart. 392 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:26.640 Stuff right right, that's it, you know, and the place 393 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.920 where it always comes out. And I'm really this is 394 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.920 I'm thankful because I've I've come to a place in 395 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:39.519 my work where the word truth means a lot, and 396 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:41.880 it means it doesn't mean true, you know, you're telling 397 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.759 true stories or any of that. But you just the 398 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.240 other day I thought to myself, the art of acting 399 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:51.400 is not acting, it's just being. And you know, the 400 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:57.400 closer you can get to just being, the more interesting 401 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.839 your work will become. Uh you. Acting is some of 402 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:02.400 the stuff like gues, I put on a wig and 403 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:04.720 a put on a British accent and I do that 404 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:07.559 and I do you know, and all that, but that's 405 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.039 sort of the acting technique stuff. But the being part, 406 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:13.279 that being just being there. And I think, Pam you 407 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:16.559 mentioned something earlier about you know, your acting partner. You know, 408 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.200 you look at I've worked with John Hamm recently on 409 00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:21.480 your friends and neighbors, and now look at John when 410 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:24.160 we walk here's two guys, kind of macho guys. We're 411 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:26.799 looking at each other and there's something like clicks. It's 412 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.119 like two guys who realize it's all just so screwed up, 413 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:34.799 you know, and so but you just got to be there, 414 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.240 You got to be present. You just got to be 415 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:39.119 there with your acting partner, you know. I worked with 416 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:42.720 Robert Downey jun on name dropping, Now, isn't that funny? 417 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:46.079 On Kiss Kiss Bang Bang? And I don't think I've 418 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.799 ever looked in another actor's eyes and went like, that 419 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.039 guy is just truth. He's just truth is spilling out 420 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.240 of his eyes and his being, and truth is just being. 421 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:01.920 You know. It doesn't mean you're true, it's just being being. 422 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:06.559 I did. I had an experiment and I hoped, well, 423 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:09.680 nobody's around that would really get offended at this anymore. 424 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:14.039 But I got offered a while ago in a lower 425 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:17.200 part of my career, meaning less work part, to do 426 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:21.880 a general hospital for a year or so. I'm playing 427 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:30.039 Carly's father. Yes, and I never told anybody this, but 428 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.799 it absolutely is true. I used it because of the 429 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:36.319 nature of the way soaps are that if you get 430 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:38.720 you hit your marks and get eighty percent of the lines, 431 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:41.400 as long as the story's out, good, moving on. They 432 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:44.200 don't have enough time. You know, you're doing fifty pages 433 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:47.240 of script today. You got to move you know, Okay, 434 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:53.039 stories out great, you're in focus, moving on? And I thought, yes, 435 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:55.799 and I'm not in I'm not in enough in the 436 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.680 cast to really get deep into the whole storyline and 437 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:05.519 all that. So I used it as a an exercise, 438 00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:08.480 if you will, I said, whatever I'm feeling on a 439 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:14.880 given day, especially since I'm not continuing a story so heavily. Whatever, 440 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:16.920 if I have a cold, i feel like crap, if 441 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.440 somebody's pissed me off and I'm angry, I'm going to 442 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:24.200 bring whatever's there and let that reflect through my character 443 00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:28.839 that day, John Durant, And you know something, the words 444 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:31.400 will take care of the story. Carly, you don't do this, 445 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:35.720 you know, Sonny, you got it. Blah blah blah. But 446 00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:39.880 but the being the truth of what I felt like, 447 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.680 I want to vomit. You know you can how many 448 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:47.079 times you said I want to vomit? When you're telling 449 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:49.559 somebody you love you're with them, you know it doesn't 450 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.079 it doesn't mean you don't. You can say I love 451 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:54.759 you but still feel not well. By the way, when 452 00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:56.519 you say I love you to somebody, probably for the 453 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.599 first time, you do feel nauxious, So you know, it's 454 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.039 all kind of valid. I just work, and only on 455 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:09.400 a couple of occasions was it completely inappropriate, you know. 456 00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:12.000 But for the most part, as long as I was 457 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.720 truthful in what I was feeling and how I was 458 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.599 that day, my being my truth of the day, and 459 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.160 the words were there to help the story. I just 460 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.240 tried to be as truthful as I can and be 461 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.799 true to what I was feeling, which was a great exercise. Actually, 462

00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:31.359 well mean. 463 00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:32.599 The character, I mean the character. 464 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:37.440 It was so memorable and you know magnetic too. I 465 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.519 still excite at the time magnetic to watch on screen. 466 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:43.880 I have to wonder and Pam, I'm throwing an extra 467 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.960 question in here. But you know, you had appearances on 468 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:49.160 The Young and the Restless, of course, but the day 469 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.759 to day of doing General Hospital, did that give you 470 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:57.279 any deeper appreciation or knowledge of, you know, what your 471 00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:58.720 mom did for all those years? 472 00:27:58.720 --> 00:27:59.079 Something other? 473 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.720 Truthuly, I didn't work as much as you're saying, and 474 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:06.000 it really wasn't day to day I was, you know, 475 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:07.960 I was lucky if I got a couple of I 476 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.440 think my guarantee was like one and a half episodes 477 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.759 a week, which was just enough to make jewelry boxes 478 00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:18.200 and but food on the table, and uh, because I 479 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.440 wasn't working. Nothing was you know, it was post La 480 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.680 law and you sort of in the big shot on that. 481 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.799 And I tried a couple of things. They didn't work, 482 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:27.519 and there was a down period, which there are in 483 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:31.880 actors' lives. But I learned that more through my mom, 484 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:33.920 watching my mom, because that was she was the real 485 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.599 day to day person, day to day and getting older 486 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.799 and having to like endure endure and having the endurance 487 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:44.000 to get through a day. Yeah, I don't think most 488 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:52.119 actors really know that incredible fortitude of soap actors. I don't, 489 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:54.680 you know, it's it's it isn't. I'm in my trailer, 490 00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.400 Get me a burrito and call me when I'm on. 491 00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.119 You know you're there. You got to you gotta be 492 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:03.519 on a quick little side story with Young Restless because 493 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.079 I always like to do this. When I did after 494 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:11.559 my mom passed away, I was called in and they said, look, 495 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.200 we're going to clear the entire sound stage. We're going 496 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.400 to make a park, We're going to do this huge 497 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.160 memorial to missus Chancell. It's gonna be dedicated to her 498 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:24.519 the park in Generous City. And because your father Todd could, 499 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:31.160 would you be okay your character officiating the memorial? I thought, wow, okay, 500 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:33.920 I don't have my mom to go ask if that's cool, 501 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:38.880 and I'm assumed she'd probably be thrilled. I said, yeah, 502 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:43.000 I guess yeah, sure, I mean you know, I mean yeah, 503 00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:47.079 I mean, I played this priest. Let's I'll officiate. So 504 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:50.160 we get there that day and they've literally cleared and 505 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.960 start entire stage forty three where they shot, and it's 506 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:57.119 all a big park. There's no more sets anywhere. It's 507 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.319 just a big park. And everybody and anybody who's ever 508 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:04.599 been around young and restless, kept cast crew, everybody was 509 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.000 in the scene of this thing or in that day 510 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.000 and memorrow. And I'm sitting up there and we're doing 511 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:17.279 the memorial and everybody is crying. But being father Todd, 512 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.960 I'm the one who had to have composure, and it 513 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.440 was really right now. I could actually kind of get 514 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:29.240 there emotional about it because it was I thought, I've 515 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.160 got to hold this together because my character is the 516 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.480 guy who's keeping it together. You know, the priest ain't 517 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:38.960 crying at a memorial. That's not good, you know, and 518 00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:42.799 everybody is crying, and I thought like wow, And I 519 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.359 could just see my mom like winking and going like. 520 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:49.519 Gotcha one more time. 521 00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:51.079 Wow. 522 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.359 I can't even imagine how hard that was for you. 523 00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:59.799 And thank you for doing it, because it really did 524 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.960 make a difference when the viewers that know that you 525 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:09.640 were her son, you know, it really felt like we 526 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:13.319 were there in the real process. So we thank you 527 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.319 for that. But speaking of working with family, you recently 528 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.880 worked with your son Oliver on a new project called Woodstockers, 529 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:24.640 which is such an interesting full circle moment in your career. 530 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.680 What has that experience been like for you, both professionally 531 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:29.279 and personally. 532 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.279 Well, I wrote Woodstockers. I moved up here to New York. 533 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:34.680 Thank you

for asking about that, because I do want 534 00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:39.079 people to hear Woodstockers, because you know, we when it's 535 00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.720 out there, you'll have heard it. You've heard it here first. 536 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:47.960 Thank you. When I moved up here, I met just 537 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.200 a lot of people that, Yeah, part of my fascination 538 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.200 was woodstock That's my era, my culture, all of that 539 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.160 when I was growing up, So it was part of 540 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.599 my draw being here in the course going over to Woodstock, 541 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.960 and everything in Woodstock is Woodstock, you know, although most 542 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.559 people don't know Woodstock actually happened about an hour away. Yeah, 543 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.599 but still it's Woodstock. And I saw a bunch of 544 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:11.920 hippies and I came up with this funny idea for 545 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.160 a show called Woodstockers, which was two guys who went 546 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.039 to Woodstock and are now in their seventies and they 547 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.440 never left. So it was kind of a stoner comedy, 548 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:26.440 you know, Verse seventy. A little more sophisticated maybe than 549 00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:31.720 Cheech and Chong, but a stoner comedy nonetheless. And as 550 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.359 I got to know the people and talk to one 551 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.680 of the organizers of Woodstock before he passed away, you know, 552 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.720 he said, this is very good, but he said, you know, 553 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:47.359 Woodstock failed. It was a failed experiment. And I thought, 554 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.359 you know, he said, you know, we lost money, and 555 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.720 peace and love and music did not win the day. Peace, 556 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.720 love and music got us to Arnie Becker. You know, 557 00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.880 that was the next We didn't solve the world through 558 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.759 Woodstock piece, Love and Music and Smoking Weed twenty four seven. 559 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.519 And I thought, okay, that's interesting because I always thought 560 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.440 it was let's just celebrate woodstock, you know, and let's 561 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.240 have fun and be giggles and giggles. And I thought, Okay, 562 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.359 there's something deeper. And I personally was going through a 563 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.759 period in my life that I'm still in where you're 564 00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.160 entering Act three and you're going, oh, this is the reckoning. 565 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.880 This is everything you've done from wealth, health. The love 566 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.079 you put in is what you get. And you can 567 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.359 sit and moan and bitch about it and all that, 568 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.000 but you better come to terms with it because this 569 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:35.599 is the bed you made. These are the choices you've made. 570 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.000 You have two choices now still to just keep bitching 571 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.839 and moaning and dragging the anchor of your past with you, 572 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.160 or you can say, I accept, you know something my 573 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.599 mother had to do to quit drinking. I accept I'm 574 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:52.319 an alcoholic and I and I'm Jeene Cooper and I 575 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:56.039 want to I want my life back. So I thought 576 00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:59.000 it was fascinating to say because I saw myself, not 577 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.160 the addict part of it, but the reckoning with your 578 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:04.400 life and saying these are the choices I made. These 579 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:06.799 are you know, the acting we went back to that. 580 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:10.159 You know, I made these choices, you know, to for 581 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:12.360 my family. Okay, so they didn't make you the A 582 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.360 list actor or you begin the B list actor, you know, 583 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.960 but that's okay. You accept that, you understand the bed 584 00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:21.760 that you made. And so I put all that into Woodstockers. 585 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.800 I wrote a script that everybody loved. I wrote actually 586 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.920 a whole lot during COVID. I wrote eight episodes of it. 587 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.519 Every loved the pilot. I couldn't get it, couldn't gay, 588 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.480 couldn't get a look at it, couldn't game by look 589 00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:35.320 at it. And I was working on a movie that 590 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:39.079 my son Oliver had directed, little movie that he and 591 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.960 his little friend, little bit little you know, cast and 592 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.119 crew of friends his age where he just roll up 593 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:48.360 their sleeve like the old days, and they're making this movie. 594 00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.599 And I went, you know what, I'm just gonna make 595 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.079 Woods Oliver, would you direct it. I'm going to get 596 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.199 all these people here, wardrobe, art department, all of it, 597 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.360 even one of the actors. And I said, let's still 598 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.360 make this same I'll pay for it. And Oliver came 599 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:07.079 on board. And after a few discussions about the script 600 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.199 where he said, I said, we all we got to 601 00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:09.840 save that part. 602 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:10.039 All. 603 00:35:10.039 -->

00:35:12.800 We got to say that he's a Dad, I want 604 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.199 you to be quiet. I want you to let me 605 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:18.280 work on the script with Henry who's his brother, one 606 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.719 of my twins, and he said, your job from this 607 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.239 point on is to be an actor. I will be 608 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.360 the director, Henry and Zoe this woman will produce it. 609 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:29.679 You come on and you be the actor. If you 610 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.519 feel something as an actor, we're going to have that discussion, 611 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.519 but the rest of it is us. And I had 612 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.039 to make a hard choice. I went okay, And so 613 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.480 working with him was great. I mean, the pilot is wonderful. 614 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.360 It's been it's one awards at south By Southwest at 615 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:54.960 Series Fest, and I've now written a new further five episodes, 616 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.280 so six episodes of the first season, and we're trying 617 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.360 to get it made. But working with him was, uh, 618 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.199 you know. And all the other actors, Susan Rattan who 619 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.679 is in La Law with me, is in it. Maggie 620 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:11.960 Laws and who's in Psych is in it. Stephen Tobolowski, 621 00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.599 who's just a wonderful actor and old friend is in 622 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.599 So we've got this wonderful cast and they all loved 623 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.679 working with all. He's so easy and he's smart, and 624 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.320 he's just he's simple, and he's not. You know, it's 625 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.519 a kind of a very theory. It's it's funny, funny 626 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.320 as hell, but it's not sitcomy. You know that one 627 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:31.760 of the things I didn't want to do is make 628 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.039 a sitcom. And I wanted to make a thing. Everything 629 00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.400 we've been talking about, the humor of life, you know, 630 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.639 I created in there in the words. He made sure 631 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:44.320 it got to the screen, and so I think he must. 632 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.440 I guess he knows me right. He's my kid, so 633 00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:50.599 he was able to calm me down and say, Dad, 634 00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.960 let me do this, and he brought out the very 635 00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:56.920 best of what I could do with this character of 636 00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:00.480 Lenny Baker. And uh so now we're trying to get 637 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.440 it made. So if it ever ends up on the 638 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.639 air called Woodstalkers, you'll have heard it here first. 639 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.360 Thank you, and we cannot wait

to see this. I mean, 640 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:13.519 I'm a little bit younger than you, so that's telling 641 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.039 you my age in a way. But I grew up 642 00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:18.840 in the hippie era too, and of course I'm a 643 00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:23.679 seventies child, and so I love that time and I 644 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:26.199 could just picture those things. 645 00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:29.320 People love it now. It's it's it has a resurgence 646 00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.159 because dare I say, the world could use piece leven music? 647 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.760 This all absolutely, we have become organic, we have become 648 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.519 Saturday markets, all the stuff that was part of the 649 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:44.119 hippie dream. Really yes, and by the way, who knows 650 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:51.199 weed is legal? You know? So yes, And so there's 651 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:56.559 a weird current thing to it. That is, you know 652 00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:59.039 that a lot of people, and my son responded to 653 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.280 he's the one who picked all the music that my 654 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.519 thing was going to be. Oh, the turtles happy together, 655 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.159 and the mama's and the papas and all the obvious 656 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.719 that he said, Dad, let me look for music, and 657 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:14.320 he found this kind of really obscure music but of 658 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:18.480 the period, and so he has an appreciation for it 659 00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:22.559 from a forty year distant view, if you will. 660 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:28.400 And it really gave it a present day feeling while 661 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.960 not being overly nostalgic, which it could have easily fallen into. 662 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.960 You know, I saw something recently that for the first 663 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.000 time in like chart history, we're seeing a resurgence of 664 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:47.760 past music fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, but from the 665 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:51.320 younger generation, and their playlist is so the first. So 666 00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.280 that is that's really cool. To hear, and I believe 667 00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.599 in manifesting. So this podcast going out into the ether 668 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:03.079 of podcast land. Hopefully we'll create some energy and get woodstockers, 669 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:07.079 you know, to be picked up and noticed and given 670 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:11.079 some money. But I am really curious to hear how 671 00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.599 you're gonna link this to humanity. 672 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:16.400 You're now going. 673 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:20.400 Into the creature feature thriller a space as well with Yetti, 674 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.800 So tell us about you know, stepping into that genre 675 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.679 and yeah, links some humanity to that too for. 676 00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.960 Us, I will, you know, that really is a part 677 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.880 of my I call it my Lewis and Clark meaning 678 00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.039 anything exploring. You know, I believe I would have been 679 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.679 one of those guys back in the day. I was 680 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.920 presented with this script that was really kind of wonderful 681 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.639 and interior and not big. You know, it didn't need 682 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.679 to be eighty million dollar movie out in the middle 683 00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.360 of nowhere. It was a very small, interior story and 684 00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.239 very very indie, which is the other part of my 685 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.920 being right now. I I'm you know, I'm doing Friends 686 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.639 and Neighbors. That's a big Apple show and Lincoln Lawyer, 687 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.079 big Netflix show. I've Reggie Dinkins, The Falling Rids of 688 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:12.039 Reggie Dinkins on NBC. I mean, my foot's in the 689 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.840 real world, if you will, or the traditional world. But 690 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:20.320 I'm fascinated by I've always been fascinated by the indie world. 691 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.519 And he had a couple of guys who had a 692 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:27.679 vision and not a ton of money, enough to do 693 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.480 a good job. And they did a great job with 694 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.760 the money they had, but there was a spirit about 695 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.239 what they did. I'm not going to say that they 696 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.679 did so much to be into the creature feature. I mean, 697 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:43.599 it's sure that's fun to explore genres and all of that. 698 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.199 I had to look at the character and again, there 699 00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.880 was a very deep connection to this guy that I understood. 700 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:54.800 There was an empathy for what he was and what 701 00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:57.440 he wanted to do and his relationship with his son, 702 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:01.840 which is important and something I could I could, you know, 703 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:07.119 Uh yeah, raw, thank you for thank you for the 704 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.880 big words. I'm a writer, but I can't come up 705 00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:13.679 with him sometimes that I could draw on. And And 706 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.639 so it's funny because it was I had been in 707 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.519 Europe and I came back and it was the middle 708 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:25.639 of the early January and it was freezing. We were 709 00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:27.679 shooting in Buffalo, and I thought, oh my god, this 710 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.599 whole thing is in the

woods and it's going to 711 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.840 be It's not all night shoots. I'm going to freeze 712 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.239 to death up there. And I'm seventy one years old. God, 713 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.639 I don't want to go freeze. What have I done? 714 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:41.159 What have I done? You know, it's not a lot 715 00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.800 of money, it's not even that. It's what have I done? 716 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.199 I get up there, lo and behold. They had built 717 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:51.199 the entire forest on the sound stage, on two big warehouses, 718 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.119 and they had to because they knew they couldn't shoot 719 00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:57.800 out Nicole. I mean, that's just would have been impossible. 720 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.559 You'd had mutiny, you know. I mean it was where 721 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:05.280 of those freezy buffalo you know lake effect. Oh yeah, So, 722 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.320 and they shot it on the sound stage and everything 723 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:14.480 was sort of hyper real. I thought, Wow, I scored, 724 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.719 I'm doing the Twilight Zone. I thought, you know, it's 725 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.239 not you know, from Binghamton, where Rod Serling was from, 726 00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:27.960 you know, upstate is being think it's Bingminton, Binghamton, Yeah, whatever, 727 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.320 not far. And it was because it was you know, 728 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:35.039 remember Twilight, and it was always sort of hyper real. 729 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.440 Maple Avenue is not really a real street. It's kind 730 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:44.320 of like a back lotty street and uh and this 731 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.159 thing was sort of hyper real, so it was very 732 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:50.599 very cool. Uh and it was still cold on the 733 00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:55.480 sound stage. Uh. And yeah, it was a wonderful experience. 734 00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.000 And I think they came out with a wonderful, very 735 00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:03.079 small movie. And my biggest fear was always it's cool 736 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:06.840 and it's small. But there's such a expectation with Creature 737 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.719 Feature that it's big and it's you know, it's Jaws, 738 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.199 it's it's, it's, it's, it's it's this massive movie. And 739 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.440 it wasn't was small and interior and it's it sort 740 00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:20.239 of was the I think, you know, ultimately the reviews 741 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:26.159 of it was yeah, but I thought I wanted more. 742 00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:30.119 So it can never quite figure out, you know, it 743 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.679 can never I guess the appeal that it didn't you know, 744 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.480 it just didn't. It wasn't big enough for some people 745 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.639

and for those of us who love it to be 746 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:44.079 interior it was great, but uh, but I think they 747 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.119 succeeded in what they're doing and I think it's probably 748 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.239 doing well. I mean, it's a good movie. I mean, 749 00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:49.840 if you have a chance to check it out, it's 750 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:54.360 playing anywhere. You can click I'm sure. But it's a 751 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:57.000 very cool movie, very very cool. It's a really good 752 00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.679 acting in it, really good good direction, great screen, and 753 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:05.119 beautiful for me, a beautiful atmosphere. 754 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:11.840 Well, you know, I grew up again with that type 755 00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:15.920 of TV shows, And the one thing I have to 756 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:24.360 say is that some of them when you're a child 757 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:29.039 and be overwhelming and scary. You realize you're watching TV. 758 00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:31.320 But then again you don't, you know what I mean, 759 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:34.800 You get into that headspace and so it really can 760 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.079 get to you. But I still love watching them all, 761 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:40.880 so I would be happy to watch it on TV. 762 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:43.559 In a movie, you go to a movie, a scary movie, 763 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:46.000 and you kind of like you're spooked for a little 764 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.159 bit and it kind of leaves you. You get your car, 765 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.199 you drive home. You know, maybe your house h's dark 766 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.440 and you're you know, like what's behind the door. But 767 00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.199 when someone's on TV it's in your living room, right yes, 768 00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:02.880 and you're sitting there, it's sort of invading your space. 769 00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:06.320 It's invading your space you haven't gone to. It's space 770 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:11.760 the movie theater, it's and especially today when a TV 771 00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:14.840 is no longer a TV, it's you know, seventy inches 772 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:20.519 of plasma screen, you know, fullwith round sound. It's there. 773 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:24.199 You may turn off the TV, but that that specter 774 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.199 is still living in the room. And I think you 775 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.800 almost because you heard it in the room. You heard 776 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.800 the voice, you heard the creek whatever. So I think 777 00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.119 I think it infects us more. And I think with 778 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:42.000 Rod Serling, I wouldn't call his stuff scary, but it's 779 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:43.639 certainly for me was what it might be. I mean, 780 00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.159 you can imagine there was a guy who really looked 781 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.239 at humanity. That's all those were about. 782 00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:51.000 Were Oh my god. They all make you think. I 783 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:52.159 think back to you. 784 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:56.000 One that left me depressed, and I don't know what 785 00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.239 the word is, but it affected me. The one where 786 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.239 the guy just want to be left alone so he 787 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:06.000 can read. And then the glass yeh went to and 788 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.199 that affected me so deeply. I love to read and 789 00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.639 I love to get lost in stories. 790 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:15.639 That probably every that's that is, that's certainly one of 791 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:19.239 my papers. And so he just wants to be left alone. 792 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:21.800 And and it's not about that, it's not about that. 793 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.920 It's just that those moments where I just there's too 794 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.599 much noise. Just leave me alone, leave me alone. Stop 795 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:31.840 the I R S and political and today spam and 796 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:34.960 spam mail and and and you know it, just leave 797 00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.920 me alone, leave me alone. And I think, you know 798 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.599 that's one certainly, I think. Uh, but he was Rod 799 00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:45.480 Serling was the master at that of really looking at 800 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.079 who we are, our racism, everything. I mean, he really 801 00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:52.239 looked at it all, you know, I mean it'd be fascinating. 802 00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:55.119 I don't think. I don't think he could do it 803 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.719 today because too much is out there, you know, not 804 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.679 enough left to the imagine nation. I guess you know, 805 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.599 he was ahead of it. He was ahead of he 806 00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:05.119 was social media. 807 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:11.119 You know, definitely. Well, you know, with having worked with 808 00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:14.519 so many of the industry's most talented people over the years, 809 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.599 is there a piece of advice you received early in 810 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:19.599 your career that you'd like to pass on to others 811 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:20.639 that are just starting out. 812 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:26.480 Yes, but not before I make one more footnote. My 813 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:30.760 mother was in a twilight zone. You know that, mister. Yes, Yes, 814 00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:35.239 for my mom, she made it the twilight zone. Yes, Uh, 815 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:37.639 I forgot. I have to bring that up wherever. Yeah, 816 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.719 I'm going to keep her alive. However, I can absolutely yes, 817 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.599 And again, you know I sound like

a mama's boy, 818 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.000 but that's okay, because she was a pretty brilliant lady. 819 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.239 She gave me the best piece of advice as a 820 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.559 young actor my father had produced. I was in college 821 00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.159 in San Diego. I wanted to be a lawyer. I 822 00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.280 was studying philosophy and I was taking I thought as 823 00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:05.400 pre law I wanted my major to be philosophy. You know, 824 00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.280 logic classes and all that kind of stuff. You have 825 00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:13.480 different choices. Philosophy seemed interesting to me. So I'm making this. 826 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:15.840 I'm doing this down in San Diego State. My dad 827 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.079 calls me up one day. I was seventeen eighteen maybe, 828 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.320 and he says, hey, I'm making a little movie. We're 829 00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:26.480 shooting it down near San Diego with Jim Brown, Fred Williamson, 830 00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:28.960 and Jim Kelly. Jim Brown and Fred Williams in big 831 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.440 football players. Jim Kelly was a martial arts guy and 832 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.960 one of the first black exploitation movies with a wonderful 833 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.840 director named Gordon Parks Junior, whose father, Gordon Parks was 834 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:44.599 a pretty much a you know, preeminent filmmaker in the day. 835 00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:51.760 And I said, okay, sure. He said, look, I'm going 836 00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:55.239 to You're going to be paid, but I need your 837 00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:56.800 car we're going to blow up your car. And I 838 00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:59.119 had this kind of Camaro that was kind of okay 839 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:03.159 but not yeah, certainly was all my friends Porsches. And 840 00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:04.960 he said, well, we'll give you the production man at 841 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.960 the end. And in the script it says, you make 842 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:10.039 out with a beautiful young girl in the backseat of 843 00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:13.199 a Rolls Choice, and Jim Brown, the legendary football player, 844 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.719 comes up and says, hey, man, what are you doing. 845 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.000 And I thought, Jim Brown making out with a beautiful 846 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.400 girl and blowing up my car, that's kind of cool. 847 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.480 Production man, oh man, that could be cool, and I'll 848 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.000 give you nine hundred bucks. I went on in and 849 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:31.599 I went there this night and I was, you know, 850 00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.000 I made out with a beautiful girl. It turned out 851 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:35.719 to me a sleeping bag instead at the backseat of 852 00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:39.119 a Rolls Voice. The script said, a pair of naked 853 00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:41.840 young limbs thrashing in the backseat of a Rolls Choice, 854 00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.639 just to set up the draw the appeal of the scene. 855 00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.000 So I make up with this girl. They take my car, 856 00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:53.199 they blow it twenty feet in the sky, wow and 857 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.400 a fireball, and they hand me the keys to the 858 00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:58.719 production man, and my dad gives me nine hundred bucks 859 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:00.840 cash at the end of the night, and I shake 860 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.960 hands with Jim Brown Fred Williamson, and I thought, like, 861 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.840 I want to be an actor. This is no screw laws, 862 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:14.000 screw philosophy. This is what I want to do. I literally, 863 00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:16.360 I don't think I went back to Sandy I do 864 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.280 this day. Honest to God, I don't remember moving out 865 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.000 of San Diego. I just thought, I'm going to go 866 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.039 to UCLA. I'm going to be near home and I'm 867 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:26.440 going to be an actor and I'm going to go 868 00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:28.880 to UCLA because they had a big theater program. I 869 00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:30.960 went to my mom and said, Mom, all this all this, 870 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:35.719 he said, okay. She said, you can do whatever you want, 871 00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.440 but if you want my respect as a fellow actor, 872 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.880 you're going to train. And that's when I said, well, 873 00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:44.679 I'll go to UCLA. And she said, great, that's great. 874 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:46.960 That's good. She said, you can do whatever you want, 875 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:52.079 but to be an actor you have to train. And 876 00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:53.880 you can't do it for the girls. You can't do 877 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:55.800 it for the money. You can't do it for the cars. 878 00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:57.880 You can't do it for the fame and the glory 879 00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.880 and all that. I mean, that might come, but that's 880 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:02.719 not why you do it. You do it because you 881 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.239 love this craft of what you do. And you're only 882 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:08.599 going to love the craft if you go study and 883 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:11.920 learn the craft. And I said, okay. I went to 884 00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:14.639 UCLA and I did seven years there. I did my 885 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:18.159 undergraduate degree, then I got my master's degree in playwriting. 886 00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:22.679 And it was years later where I realized what she 887 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.760 was doing was setting me up for. And this is 888 00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:29.519 to any young actor out there is I don't care 889

00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:34.840 how big you are. Sylvester Stallone is not what Sylvester 890 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:40.320 Stallan was ten e eight Rocky, and Kevin Costner is 891 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:43.800 not what Kevin Costner was. And Tom Cruise, God bless him. 892 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:47.599 One day will not be Tom Cruise that he was 893 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:51.280 Tom Cruise and lesser guys Arnie Becker on La Law 894 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:53.440 at Cordon Burns and you're gonna have a downtime, you're 895 00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:58.960 going to be doing general hospital. And I realized what 896 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:03.239 got me over those hills and valleys and going from 897 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:05.239 LA Law And I don't means it sounded like general 898 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:09.000 hospitals down here, but it certainly wasn't the higher thing 899 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:12.679 of La Law in my mind, you know, and the 900 00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.800 work and the recognition, but the thing that got me 901 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:19.920 through it was I don't care. I loved doing La 902 00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:23.119 Law and this is honestly God's truth. As much as 903 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.480 I love doing General Hospital, as much as I love 904 00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.079 doing this podcast with you, because I'm entertaining I'm doing 905 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.440 I'm not saying I'm entertaining. I'm doing what I do. 906 00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:39.079 I'm getting to express my human self. And it's the 907 00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.960 love of the craft. And as you know, you're doing 908 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:43.840 a podcast, A lot of people think it's probably easy. 909 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:48.440 It's not. It's a craft. It's a craft. It's a craft, right. 910 00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:51.599 It's the reason you do it, I would hope is 911 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.199 because you love doing it and therefore we know it. 912 00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.719 You know, you know, you may do a month. He's like, Geene, 913 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:01.119 nobody's listening to our podcast and it's like, wow, oh well, 914 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:04.440 I raisedly you know what we do are these hills 915 00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.239 and valleys. And the thing that takes you through it, 916 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:12.280 young actors, is the love of what you do. Because 917 00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:17.199 then you can do a big, huge feature film, or 918 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:20.119 you can do community theater, or you can do a 919 00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:21.920 soap opera, you can do a player, you can do 920 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:25.159 a podcast, and you love it all exactly the same. 921 00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:28.679 You love it the same because you love. You love 922 00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:32.800 the art of expressing yourself with a camera rolling or 923 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:38.519 an audience in a theater environment. And that was talked 924 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.400 to me by my mom. 925 00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.880 Well, it's great at device and mean it makes you 926 00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:49.760 feel your human side besides, you know, wanting all your 927 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.559 dreams to come true. And I have to say that 928 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:56.079 we've been here doing this for fourteen years, so we 929 00:53:56.199 --> 00:54:00.960 better love it because if you don't. 930 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.280 Love it, you know, you know I can hear your 931 00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.519 voices that you love it, and your people who listen 932 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.440 to you and listening to us right now love it. 933 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.000 You know they love it because you love it. If 934 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:13.079 you didn't love it, you know, I've often thought I'd 935 00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.719 like to do a podcast, and first of I don't 936 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:19.039 know what I would do. I think I'm a better 937 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.800 guest than I would be a host. But you know, 938 00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:25.960 do I love it enough to do it? No? You 939 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:29.039 know I don't. Doesn't mean it's not a great thing 940 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.800 and you love it, but you know I don't love 941 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:34.679 it enough to do it. So you know, people say 942 00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:36.400 we should do it because people would listen to you. 943 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.199 I say, no, it's not my thing. I'll write and 944 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:43.519 I'll do woodstalkers. I love that So that's great. You know, 945 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:45.400 you do what you do, and I'll do what I do. 946 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:48.320 And as long as we love what we do and 947 00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:52.119 people are in tune with what you're doing, then the 948 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.679 world's working perfectly until the sun comes and eats us 949 00:54:55.719 --> 00:55:00.719 all up in a billion years. 950 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:05.920 You've been very honest and open about creativity across you know, 951 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:09.199 across the spectrum, across the arts, and we know that 952 00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:10.360 you are a collector. 953 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:12.760 So stepping away from acting. 954 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.719 For a little bit, tell us about Corbin the art 955 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.519 lover and what drives you. 956 00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:20.519 You know, what drives your collecting? 957 00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.239 Well, my snow globe that I think you're probably telling 958 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.599 about my snow globe collection. Yes, okay, we do collect art. 959 00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:31.159 My wife and I happen to love you see when 960 00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:36.599 I'm painting behind me right there. We we do love art. 961 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.199 We're not big, you

know, got to get Picassa's We're 962 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:41.760 not those people. We never made that kind of money. 963 00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.559 But we've collected art. It's been one of our common links. Again, 964 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:50.800 art is just another expressing human humanity, whether it's an 965 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:55.960 abstract I mean Picasso's away, I think Picasso isn't Pacasso 966 00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.239 telling us that all that stuff I've been saying about 967 00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:04.280 how absurd we look and we are, you know, you know, so, yes, 968 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.119 I love art. The snow domes are a different thing. 969 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.119 It's something I just happened to start collecting during La Law. 970 00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:13.119 When I was traveling the country promoting the show, I'd 971 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.039 end up in the city invariably, you know, be given 972 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:19.639 like a snow globe from Saint Louis or whatever. And 973 00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:21.840 by the end of La Law I had about twenty 974 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.199 five of these snow globes, which didn't mean much to 975 00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:31.039 me at the time, but they they together, they looked 976 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:36.280 like wonderful pop art, and I started collecting, and now 977 00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:40.719 ten thousand globes later, and thirty five years later, I 978 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.639 have one of the larger, not the largest, snow globe collections. 979 00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:49.320 And first on your show, happy to announce not this Christmas, 980 00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.519 but next Christmas, I'll have a book coming out of 981 00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:53.440 my snow globes. 982 00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:59.679 Awesome, congratulations, Thank you for sharing that with us. That's amazing. 983 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:02.920 Yeah, I didn't realize books take so long to get together, 984 00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:06.239 but but we're doing here. The really weird part is, 985 00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.519 so I have like ten thousand snow globes, and the 986 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:11.400 publishers said, well, we can about three hundred in this book. 987 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:14.000 And I want to do a really nice coffee table book, 988 00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.599 you know, not some kitchy kind of like you know, 989 00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.320 goofy book. I went nobody's. I've never really seen a 990 00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:23.679 really beautiful, you know, snow globes against a black background. 991 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:27.400 Lit properly like a photo of a photography book, if 992 00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:31.320 you will. And so I had to get all my 993 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:35.239 snow globes from LA, where they've been sitting in storage 994 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:37.159 since I moved to New York. I had to rent 995 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.760 a warehouse

here and get out you know, those full 996 00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.800 eight foot folding tables, get about thirty of those and 997 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:49.079 put them all out, all ten thousand, and I had 998 00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.480 to sort of organize them because they were kind of organized. 999 00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:54.760 I packed them pretty well when I packed them up 1000 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.159 for the last time in LA. But I had to 1001 00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.840 put them out. And you know, will say which one's 1002 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.920 your favorite child, your favorite son, and you can't out 1003 00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:06.239 of three, you can't pick you just you can't pick one. 1004 00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.760 I had to pick. I'll get back to empathy again, 1005 00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:14.840 go straight back. Story is all the same. I had 1006 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:17.440 to pick three hundred snow gloves out to be in 1007 00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:22.639 the book. I felt terrible for those ones that were rejected, 1008 00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:24.840 and I. 1009 00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:26.960 Bet they're still holding it against you now. 1010 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:31.679 And holding it first. They're still going to get well, 1011 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:36.360 I'm somebody steals us. But it's funny. I picked out 1012 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:41.320 three hundred that basically tells my story a little bit, 1013 00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:43.960 you know, the first ones I got and the last 1014 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:48.760 ones and ones that I made for different events, and 1015 00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:53.119 some of my more beautiful ones that they love Disney 1016 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.679 not the big I don't really go for the big, 1017 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.840 gaudy stuff that you get at Disneyland, but the like 1018 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:05.480 old still yeah, but this stuff from like the sixties, 1019 00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.760 like when is that there? You know? You know that 1020 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:11.960 one's from? Where is that from? I can't read? I 1021 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:19.760 have my glasses. Oh wow, lamridiot or something. Anyway, these ones, 1022 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.920 these plastic with just they're just so detailed and can 1023 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:24.159 you see it properly? I don't know. 1024 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember those. I grew up with the. 1025 00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:31.599 Old classic ones, you know. And then I have some 1026 00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:35.639 really beautiful vintage you know, from the forties and the thirties, 1027 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:39.639 and you know, the first one goes back to Paris 1028 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:44.000 Expo in eighteen ninety six had the first souvenirs souvenir 1029 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:48.880 I've been and from the Paris Expo, and it's the 1030 00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:50.800 Holy Grail. I have a

guy who has one who 1031 00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:54.000 wants to sell it to me for money that my 1032 00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:58.599 wife won't let me spend on it. I thought, like, 1033 00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.519 you know, maybe I should always be the holy Grail. 1034 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.000 You know, maybe maybe I can mirror life a little bit, 1035 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:09.239 that we're always chasing that one thing, and we're chasing 1036 01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:13.360 something and I don't have it all. That's one thing 1037 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:14.960 I've learned in life. I don't have it all. I 1038 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.039 don't know it all. I give up, I don't want 1039 01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:20.800 it I can't know it all. I can certainly be 1040 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:25.559 open to learning at all. And so you know, uh yeah, 1041 01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:29.000 So it's a variety of my domes and it may 1042 01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:32.440 or may not feature the Holy Grail, depending on the 1043 01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:33.199 mood of my wife. 1044 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.000 Well, who knows. Maybe one day you'll get it as 1045 01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:39.320 a gift. 1046 01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:42.519 An expensive gift. I don't think so nobody likes me 1047 01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:50.840 that much. That's not true, mom, Mom, there's a little 1048 01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.280 with some friends here. Could you just get me the 1049 01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:54.360 Bears x BO. 1050 01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:59.960 You know what, make a deal if Woodstockers gets paid 1051 01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.679 job for a full Seatson and you get to buy. 1052 01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:08.559 It, right that's true, all right, I have to have it. Yeah, 1053 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.079 So anyway, it's it's cool if you look up Paris. 1054 01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:17.320 Look up Paris Expo. Anybody listening Paris Expo eighteen ninety six, 1055 01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:21.400 Eiffel Tower, snow globe. And he knows he won the 1056 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:28.559 very first ones. It's online. He has it online. 1057 01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:33.400 Yeah. I have one more question for you, and so 1058 01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:36.920 does Anthony. My last question is going to be a 1059 01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:40.480 little bit of a fun one. If there's a movie 1060 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:43.280 written about you one day, what would the title be, 1061 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:48.360 who would play you? And what would it be about. 1062 01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:56.480 The title. It's one of my episodes I just wrote 1063 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:59.599 of Woodstockers. It's one of my favorite titles because I 1064 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.760 usually a lot when I wrote the episodes, I would 1065 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:06.480 find these little themes. And there was a thing where, 1066 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.599 you know, I said to a character do you love him? 1067 01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:14.239 And she goes, yeah, but no, and I called that 1068 01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:16.760 the episode. Yeah but no. I found a lot of 1069 01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:21.840 life lies in yeah but no, you know never neverthing 1070 01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:26.760 is never, yeah, nothing is ever no but yeah but no, 1071 01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:32.760 but yeah but no, so yeah but no. I like that. Yeah, Comma, 1072 01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:38.039 but no, who would play I mean, are they who? 1073 01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:40.360 I mean? Like if they were alive now if they're 1074 01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:42.800 making it now or I. 1075 01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:45.400 Like, you know, in a couple of years or something. 1076 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:50.440 Is there anybody out there? That's everybody actor out there? 1077 01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:52.480 You know? 1078 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:55.960 In a weird way, he wouldn't be the right guy. 1079 01:02:56.039 --> 01:03:00.159 Although he played my son in a pionet. Uh uh. 1080 01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:09.280 I guess there's a little something about Ryan Gosling his vibe. Yeah, 1081 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:12.880 so there's something. He's funny, he's serious, but he has 1082 01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:16.480 that deprecating humor. So I have to really like he 1083 01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:19.119 actually did. I did a pilot right after La Lot 1084 01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:21.480 and he played my son. I forgot about it and 1085 01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:24.559 never got picked up. And so there's the Yeah, at 1086 01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:28.599 no sting Ryan Gosling, as Corbyn Burn said. And what's 1087 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:29.199 the last thing. 1088 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:31.679 What would it be about? 1089 01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:36.639 It would be about Yeah, like. 1090 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.760 Any particular time in your life or your whole history. 1091 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:44.519 Oh I'm a little more rod Serling than that would 1092 01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:52.920 be about my be one of two things. He would 1093 01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:58.639 be this absurd comedy. When I'm inside my mom's belly 1094 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.079 and the feetus me is wondering if it wants to 1095 01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:08.679 It's heard all these stories about the world, and you 1096 01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:14.000 hear the doctor in the delivery room say to my mother, 1097 01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:18.880 Are you ready? And both my mother and I inside 1098 01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:27.440 their feet as go yeah, but no, that is bizarre. 1099 01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:37.199 I love that. It's oh my gosh, are you ready? 1100 01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:44.000 Yeah, that is awesome. I'm gonna throw a fun one 1101 01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:45.159 at you as well. 1102 01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:52.480 I feel like you have given a really robust slice 1103 01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:55.039 of life. Yes, the career of course, and some of 1104 01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:58.639 the

highlights that we've spoken about, like throwing the whole 1105 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:01.480 you know, threadline of humanity and. 1106 01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:06.119 Empathy throughout this interview. I have to balance it with if. 1107 01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.039 You know, the genie popped out of the bottle or 1108 01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:11.679 you know, you were you were pushed into a space 1109 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:15.840 where you were brought back onto this planet for thirty 1110 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:20.800 days as a woman, and you were put in a movie, 1111 01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:25.320 what is the role from the female perspective that you'd love. 1112 01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:26.039 To play. 1113 01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:32.079 As? That would be fun to be the flying nun 1114 01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:37.199 and Sally Field that's a different that's just weird, that's 1115 01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:38.119 real weird. 1116 01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:39.239 And. 1117 01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:51.880 You know, probably that's a really hard one. But somebody 1118 01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:56.599 I admire and wouldn't mind being and knowing what it 1119 01:05:56.679 --> 01:06:01.679 was to be in her boots would be Catherine Hepburn. 1120 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:09.159 Oh and I'll just pick a movie anything, you know, Uh, 1121 01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:13.480 I'm with Humphrey Bogart and something. I guess uh afric 1122 01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:19.639 was it was it uh go on with Catherine Hepburn 1123 01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:21.599 and something, and I don't know what it would be. 1124 01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:23.599 I don't know what it would be. 1125 01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:27.519 Well, I absolutely love her with Carrie Grant and when 1126 01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.079 they did those comedies. Those are my two fans. 1127 01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:34.239 Yeah, I'm not sure if they you know, being Yeah, 1128 01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:37.440 it's it's where she gets to be funny. Yeah, that 1129 01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:40.199 thing because she was. She was another person who was 1130 01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:45.280 feisty and real and dramatic but very funny. So yes, 1131 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:47.880 I can't pick the movie. I'm not well versed in 1132 01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:51.159 all the Katherine Hepburn movies or the titles, but pick 1133 01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:56.239 one where she's just robust and she's funny as hell 1134 01:06:56.360 --> 01:06:59.639 but she means business. Yeah. 1135 01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:03.000 I see some of the uh ones that she did 1136 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:04.039 with Spencer Tracy. 1137 01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:06.719 Well yeah, yeah, really good. 1138 01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:09.039 But she does that and never I mean that's what 1139 01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:12.519 she was, you know. And by the way, who, just 1140 01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:16.320 to really round up the conversation, who does she remind 1141 01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:16.800 you of. 1142 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:20.800 Your mother? Yes? 1143 01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:25.000 Absolutely right, Wow, I'm a mama's boy. 1144 01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:28.559 Yes, absolutely. 1145 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:33.159 Well this is the moment where we say, if there's 1146 01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:37.119 anything you want to sell or drive folks to any 1147 01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:38.639 social media or projects. 1148 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:39.480 Please feel free. 1149 01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.639 Right toothpaste is the best toothpaste in the world, and 1150 01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:52.320 everybody's got a big plug there. Uh this new toothpaste 1151 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:58.719 I found. Please put your good vibes out for woods. 1152 01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:02.679 Woodstockers means a lot to me. It really, it really. 1153 01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:08.559 I've had this incredible journey as an actor and you know, 1154 01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:11.440 all the things I think if you've heard, all the 1155 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:14.320 things kind of link up, right, there's a there's a 1156 01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:19.840 yeah through line, right, and a lot of it comes 1157 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:24.119 out in Woodstockers. So both for the content but also 1158 01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:31.520 for the passion of me to create a tapestry of 1159 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:34.279 all these things we've talked about. I really were like 1160 01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:37.760 Woodstalkers to happen. So I just need vibes. I need 1161 01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:43.560 good vibes. You know, if you can't go out good vibes, 1162 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.000 but you hear about it and six months from now 1163 01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:51.840 check it out. But yeah, really, really cross your fingers 1164 01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:55.760 for me for that. It means a lot to me. 1165 01:08:55.840 --> 01:09:01.000 And I've been telling friends, family, business associates, like you know, 1166 01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:03.800 it means a lot to me, and it's just more 1167 01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:07.880 than It's more than just the content of it, which 1168 01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:10.039 is important, but it's also at this point in my 1169 01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:13.560 career would be really nice. You know, I've worked for people, 1170 01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:16.520 I've done other people's scripts, I've poured my soul into it. 1171 01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:20.880 I'd love to do something that's from me for you. 1172 01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:26.760 Well, when I'm gonna, I'm gonna manifest enough to say 1173 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:31.039 when that happens, scoop up Oliver and Henry and come 1174 01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:32.039 back and talk. 1175 01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:32.640 To us about it. 1176 01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:37.920 And and I'm sure we'll have even more humanity based questions. 1177 01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:38.079 To grill you on. 1178 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:40.840 I've seen it, you certainly will. 1179 01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:43.840 I feel nourished. 1180 01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:46.199 This has been You know, all of our conversations are 1181 01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:50.479 great in whatever space they end up occupying, but I 1182 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:52.880 feel really nourished today. So thank you so much for 1183 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:59.760 your openness, your vulnerability, and for preaching without really preaching. 1184 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:02.720 Reach man, Live life, life. We are all given this 1185 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:05.680 incredible This is the breach. We've all been given. This 1186 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:11.399 an incredible, extraordinary gift. I mean, how many people back, 1187 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:14.159 go back if one thing had happened to somebody, this 1188 01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:18.159 is the billion dollar sun thing again and they didn't happen, 1189 01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:21.720 You wouldn't happen. You've been given this gift. On this incredible, 1190 01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:25.079 insane planet spinning around the sun. 1191 01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:28.159 It's going to be eaten up in a billion years. 1192 01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:31.600 But yes, what did I say? We were going to 1193 01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:34.479 start with peace, make love not war. 1194 01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:37.920 Absolutely what great words. 1195 01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:41.520 So everybody stay tuned for all of our information, our 1196 01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:43.880 socials and such, and we will be back in your 1197 01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:46.680 podcast feeds with another great episode soon. 1198 01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:48.439 Thank you so much, Corbin. 1199 01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:51.680 This has been an amazing experience. 1200 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:55.239 Yes, thank you Corbyn. We absolutely love speaking with you. You're 1201 01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:58.760 welcome back anytime and keep bringing those stories. 1202 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:00.560 God. 1203 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:14.319 Try follow us on Instagram and Facebook at take to Radio. 1204 01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:17.640 That's with the number two for Take to Radio the Remix. 1205 01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:21.720 Follow us on Instagram and TikTok at take to Radio 1206 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:25.359 the Remix again with the number two for all things 1207 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:29.800 Anthony and Sunday Edition go to Anthony Corona dot com and. 1208 01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:34.439 That's c O R O N A. Until next time, 1209 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:35.760 Thanks for listening.