บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Kitty Dawson - Started modeling at 14: UK model now travels internationally!

push it back but I think that's just a bridge 00:02:27.401 --> 00:02:30.301 that you know to get put on that kind of shield of 00:02:30.301 --> 00:02:33.201 armor and just go go and do it because 00:02:33.201 --> 00:02:36.341 you regret not taking those chances and going 00:02:36.341 --> 00:02:39.901 across the world and doing something you've not done before everything new can 00:02:39.901 --> 00:02:45.401 feel a bit nervous at some point but that's just because we're human so we do 00:02:45.401 --> 00:02:50.601 need to take those leaps of faith for sure yeah totally I've been there a few 00:02:50.601 --> 00:02:55.041 times And it's just a pretty big flight to get out there. 00:02:55.301 --> 00:03:00.381 So each time I went, I was there for three whole weeks just to make enough bookings 00:03:00.381 --> 00:03:03.961 to make the flight and all those expenses even out. 00:03:04.765 --> 00:03:09.025 Yeah, I get that. I'm planning to do two weeks, but then I was thinking it might 00:03:09.025 --> 00:03:13.465 be best for three weeks and it gives you a few days to look around and see things 00:03:13.465 --> 00:03:18.105 because I don't know about you, but it's a 22 or 24 hour flight for me. 00:03:18.585 --> 00:03:21.645 Oh my gosh, yeah. Yeah, it's quite crazy. 00:03:21.805 --> 00:03:25.405 And going all that way, you want to see something as well in the time off because 00:03:25.405 --> 00:03:28.025 there's lots of cool things to see across the world. 00:03:28.025 --> 00:03:30.985 Yeah absolutely and you know sometimes 00:03:30.985 --> 00:03:34.025 photographers want to shoot at places that you 00:03:34.025 --> 00:03:38.105 like would have been a tourist at i suppose yeah definitely 00:03:38.105 --> 00:03:40.925 and i have got quite a lot of interest so far and 00:03:40.925 --> 00:03:44.325 one photographer wants to shoot with me for two full days and 00:03:44.325 --> 00:03:48.525 he's going to pay for two nights of accommodation for me so that's quite yeah 00:03:48.525 --> 00:03:55.045 that's the best then it's going to be it's going to be fun that's awesome so 00:03:55.045 --> 00:03:59.045 let's let's rewind and go back to the beginning of your modeling career how 00:03:59.045 --> 00:04:01.305 did you first get into modeling, 00:04:01.985 --> 00:04:05.985 I first was doing something called site modeling have you heard of that. 00:04:06.791 --> 00:04:10.651 Site modeling? I'm not 100% sure. Explain it to me. 00:04:11.291 --> 00:04:15.291 Well, it was basically a kind of, I don't know if the word would be a fad or 00:04:15.291 --> 00:04:17.231 something, but I would just call it that at the moment. 00:04:17.571 --> 00:04:22.131 But there was a time where lots of people that were alternative would take their 00:04:22.131 --> 00:04:23.791 own pictures and edit them. 00:04:23.911 --> 00:04:28.451 And there'll be different Facebook accounts and pages that were different names 00:04:28.451 --> 00:04:33.671 like eat your heart out site modeling and just alternative pages also in general, 00:04:33.831 --> 00:04:36.031 like like pages with thousands of followers. 00:04:36.031 --> 00:04:39.011 And you would share your pictures with them 00:04:39.011 --> 00:04:41.831 and if you like if they like them they would share them on 00:04:41.831 --> 00:04:44.811 their pages and even maybe add you as one of their site models 00:04:44.811 --> 00:04:48.291 so at one point I had like 5,000 Facebook 00:04:48.291 --> 00:04:51.051 friends just from that because of all these people that 00:04:51.051 --> 00:04:54.071 like the pictures and I started it 00:04:54.071 --> 00:04:57.171 because I really loved doing my own makeup and hair 00:04:57.171 --> 00:04:59.831 the styling and creating the pictures I was 00:04:59.831 --> 00:05:02.851 like a one-woman show and some of these pictures 00:05:02.851 --> 00:05:05.691 went in online magazines as well and I 00:05:05.691 --> 00:05:08.731 really enjoyed it it brought me out of some mental health 00:05:08.731 --> 00:05:11.571 I was experiencing like depression and anxiety and 00:05:11.571 --> 00:05:15.051 such so doing something creative really helped 00:05:15.051 --> 00:05:20.611 me and feeling good with my own appearance made me feel good as well because 00:05:20.611 --> 00:05:27.551 I was bullied a lot in school so I started the sight modeling at 14 and it just 00:05:27.551 --> 00:05:33.611 it just made me have something to focus on and enjoy and get creative, if that makes sense. 00:05:33.911 --> 00:05:37.991 That's cool. So the site modeling, that's something where you take your own 00:05:37.991 --> 00:05:39.751 pictures and you contribute them. 00:05:39.931 --> 00:05:45.791 And there's these online groups that can reshare them and you can gain a following from that. 00:05:46.451 --> 00:05:51.271 Yeah, definitely. And that was my first kind of jumping to the model world, 00:05:51.411 --> 00:05:52.691 but not the professional world. 00:05:52.831 --> 00:05:58.011 That was basically like the egg that started it, if that makes sense. That's cool. 00:05:58.351 --> 00:06:05.231 And then how did that transfer from site modeling into like doing paid photo shoots. 00:06:06.188 --> 00:06:11.508 There was a few people on my Facebook at the time when I think a few years later, 00:06:11.728 --> 00:06:15.568 they mentioned to me a modeling website in England called Purpleport. 00:06:15.848 --> 00:06:20.008 And they told me, have you ever heard of that? I think you would like it on there. 00:06:20.108 --> 00:06:24.708 But I was only 16 at the time. So I thought I would wait until I'm 18 to join. 00:06:24.888 --> 00:06:28.268 Because obviously, if you're younger, you're going to have to come with your 00:06:28.268 --> 00:06:31.248 parents to these shoots and that kind of thing. 00:06:31.248 --> 00:06:33.948 And they probably weren't paying anyone at 00:06:33.948 --> 00:06:37.328 that age as well because it was more for collaboration I 00:06:37.328 --> 00:06:40.208 assume so I waited

until I was 18 00:06:40.208 --> 00:06:45.688 and then I collaborated and enjoyed it and I said to myself I'm gonna have this 00:06:45.688 --> 00:06:50.948 as a hobby and see what I think and you never know one day Monday one day I 00:06:50.948 --> 00:06:54.928 might you know get work from it and I did have an intuitive feeling when I said 00:06:54.928 --> 00:06:57.788 that as well And like the site modeling, 00:06:58.008 --> 00:07:03.208 I really enjoyed doing it and meeting the different people and getting some 00:07:03.208 --> 00:07:07.448 bookings here and there for a while while building my portfolio and eventually 00:07:07.448 --> 00:07:11.408 getting to how I am now with it being my full-time job, 00:07:11.688 --> 00:07:16.768 which if you told me that back then, I would have had faith at one point, 00:07:16.848 --> 00:07:20.148 but I would have been a bit skeptical. Like, is that really going to happen? 00:07:20.828 --> 00:07:24.428 Yeah, totally. Totally. And so when you started when you were 14, 00:07:24.428 --> 00:07:27.168 you were mostly an alternative model. 00:07:27.368 --> 00:07:31.068 And is that just because that was your style at the time? Like you were like a goth girl? 00:07:31.817 --> 00:07:36.497 Yes, that was my style at the time. And I still got lots of alternative clothing, 00:07:36.497 --> 00:07:38.237 but I don't always shoot in it. 00:07:38.317 --> 00:07:42.417 But sometimes I get requests of those kinds of things or cosplay and gothic. 00:07:42.617 --> 00:07:47.877 But I'm mainly quite versatile now. I used to even have snakebite piercings 00:07:47.877 --> 00:07:49.557 and I don't have them anymore. 00:07:50.557 --> 00:07:55.377 Yeah. So I definitely... Alternative modeling, it's like when I think of alternative 00:07:55.377 --> 00:07:59.937 modeling, I think of like lots of tattoos. Do you have lots of tattoos? 00:08:00.797 --> 00:08:05.077 No, actually, I've got no tattoos. The piercings and the makeup and styling 00:08:05.077 --> 00:08:08.577 was what kind of made me alternative looking, if that makes sense. 00:08:08.797 --> 00:08:11.537 Yeah, gotcha. I was like, because I didn't see any when I was looking at your pictures. 00:08:11.837 --> 00:08:15.537 But I guess maybe that's, I don't know if that's like a United States association 00:08:15.537 --> 00:08:18.237 with the alternative modeling and tattoos. But yeah. 00:08:19.088 --> 00:08:24.268 In England, they would say the same or someone with lots of piercings or a bit of both, 00:08:24.428 --> 00:08:28.688 but there are some alternative models with no tattoos, but it's more common 00:08:28.688 --> 00:08:33.808 these days for a model that's alternative to have tattoos or even any model 00:08:33.808 --> 00:08:35.228 to have at least one or two. 00:08:36.308 --> 00:08:39.508 Yeah, makes sense. I have a couple myself. 00:08:40.588 --> 00:08:49.508 Ah, nice. Yeah. So over there in your region of the world, Purpleport is definitely more dominant. 00:08:49.508 --> 00:08:54.588 Because over here, Purpleport for me, there's not as many photographers and 00:08:54.588 --> 00:08:57.628 models in the U.S. that are on Purpleport. 00:08:57.988 --> 00:09:02.788 I think it's starting to get more popular over here. But when I first signed 00:09:02.788 --> 00:09:06.308 up for Purpleport, they eventually just shut my account down because there's 00:09:06.308 --> 00:09:08.008 no activity for several months. 00:09:08.708 --> 00:09:11.448 Oh, gosh. Yeah. I didn't 00:09:11.448 --> 00:09:14.328 know they did that because there's some photographers that are on there and 00:09:14.328 --> 00:09:17.348 it will say they've not logged in in so many years and they're still on there 00:09:17.348 --> 00:09:21.928 and I think what why would you you know they've not been active in three years 00:09:21.928 --> 00:09:26.428 so maybe they've just changed things now but I know it's not as popular in the 00:09:26.428 --> 00:09:31.308 US there's so many websites and social media and so much different 00:09:31.688 --> 00:09:34.528 opportunities but purple port isn't 00:09:34.528 --> 00:09:38.048 the only site that English models use there are various and 00:09:38.048 --> 00:09:40.868 model mayhem sometimes goes about but there's 00:09:40.868 --> 00:09:43.628 quite quite a few but some are 00:09:43.628 --> 00:09:46.448 not some are not worth it for me or some may be 00:09:46.448 --> 00:09:52.128 higher levels I don't do like adult so I stay away from those sites because 00:09:52.128 --> 00:09:56.288 sometimes with those sites you may have some people trying to ask for extras 00:09:56.288 --> 00:10:00.968 as such which you know we're models we don't do that we're here to do the modeling 00:10:00.968 --> 00:10:04.468 right yeah tell me about it. Yeah, I know what you mean. 00:10:05.168 --> 00:10:09.348 So as far as like your range of modeling, you do the alternative modeling and 00:10:09.348 --> 00:10:16.348 I see lots of like beautiful portraits and fashion and some lingerie on your 00:10:16.348 --> 00:10:18.788 page. Do you also do artistic nude modeling? 00:10:19.557 --> 00:10:22.837 Yes, I do tasteful and artistic nude modeling. 00:10:23.557 --> 00:10:26.977 And I've done that since I was 19. I'm now 27. 00:10:27.477 --> 00:10:32.817 So I've got a lot of experience with art nude now as well. And I feel so comfortable. 00:10:33.477 --> 00:10:37.397 It's strange. Some people would ask, oh, don't you feel a bit nervous doing 00:10:37.397 --> 00:10:39.697 that or, you know, body conscious? 00:10:40.017 --> 00:10:44.297 And I say, no, it just feels like I'm just, you know, walking around in an outfit in a way. 00:10:45.557 --> 00:10:50.137 Yeah, that makes sense. So when you first started doing the artistic nude modeling, 00:10:50.477 --> 00:10:55.337 did you have any resistance to it at first? Or did anybody in your friends or 00:10:55.337 --> 00:10:58.737 family circle, like, give you any kind of resistance? 00:11:00.139 --> 00:11:06.539 I

would say, I think going to the kind of the start of it would help explain that a bit more. 00:11:07.059 --> 00:11:12.079 For example, I wasn't ever envisioning to do art nude modeling when I started. 00:11:12.079 --> 00:11:15.779 I knew there was models that did nude, but I was thinking of fashion and laundry 00:11:15.779 --> 00:11:17.499 and maybe a bit of topless. 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:21.219 Then working with many photographers and them telling me, oh, 00:11:21.259 --> 00:11:23.159 I think you'd be great at art nude, Kitty. 00:11:23.339 --> 00:11:28.539 You've got a great figure for it. And they would say lots of nice things about 00:11:28.539 --> 00:11:31.739 it because I had the physique that would work well with that, 00:11:32.059 --> 00:11:33.679 or one of the physiques, let's say. 00:11:34.099 --> 00:11:38.759 So I did my first collaboration shoot with a photographer I trusted up to Art 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:39.979 Nude, who was a professional. 00:11:40.419 --> 00:11:44.099 And I remember getting so many goosebumps and feeling a bit nervous, 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:46.579 but enjoying trying this new kind of modeling. 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.939 And then seeing the photos after, I was so amazed and happy. 00:11:50.939 --> 00:11:55.459 And I thought, wow, that's me. I didn't know I looked as nice as that. 00:11:56.119 --> 00:12:01.759 Of course, I knew I looked nice in some way, but you don't know how you look 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.099 completely unless you've done a shoot like that. 00:12:04.499 --> 00:12:10.379 Yes. And then when I did it, I decided to do, obviously, start doing more collaborations 00:12:10.379 --> 00:12:12.519 and build an art nude portfolio, too. 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:18.679 That's good. I'm glad that your introduction to nude modeling was positive. 00:12:19.619 --> 00:12:23.619 Yeah. Yeah, and there was some family members that were against it, 00:12:23.739 --> 00:12:25.779 like my mother or an auntie. 00:12:26.079 --> 00:12:30.739 But, you know, that's good. I'm sure maybe it's happened in your life as being 00:12:30.739 --> 00:12:33.799 a friend or a family member that weren't sure about it. 00:12:35.319 --> 00:12:38.919 Oh, definitely. Yeah, my family was really conservative. 00:12:39.339 --> 00:12:44.979 And also, like, from what I hear, the United States is a little extra weird 00:12:44.979 --> 00:12:49.499 about nudity in general. And there's more stigma about it. Like, 00:12:49.699 --> 00:12:53.939 what's it like as far as nudity stigma over in the UK? 00:12:55.350 --> 00:12:59.530 And I don't know how it compares exactly, but I would say that so many people, 00:12:59.650 --> 00:13:05.330 the general public, would assume that nudity is sexual, nudity is porn straight away. 00:13:05.810 --> 00:13:10.430 However, there are some groups of people that would realize it's artistic because 00:13:10.430 --> 00:13:13.550 I've done nature shoots before in water and such. 00:13:13.650 --> 00:13:17.290 And I'm seeing people come by and some people have just walked past and said, 00:13:17.370 --> 00:13:18.770 oh, wow, it's great what you're doing. 00:13:18.970 --> 00:13:23.010 You're going to get some great photos. So to hear some people say that, 00:13:23.090 --> 00:13:27.530 that, you know, witness me aren't nude on location, that don't know me at all, 00:13:27.730 --> 00:13:30.690 it shows that there are people that understand this. 00:13:30.810 --> 00:13:34.550 But there's also equally people that are very opposed or they think you're shooting 00:13:34.550 --> 00:13:38.570 a porn or something when you're just sitting on some rocks and posing away. 00:13:38.570 --> 00:13:41.610 Yeah it totally that's it's nice 00:13:41.610 --> 00:13:44.770 if there's a passerby that you maybe weren't necessarily 00:13:44.770 --> 00:13:47.630 like hoping to cross a passerby out in 00:13:47.630 --> 00:13:50.470 a nature shoot it it's nice when they're like 00:13:50.470 --> 00:13:53.650 oh cool keep doing what you're doing instead of like freaking 00:13:53.650 --> 00:13:56.490 out yeah i've had more 00:13:56.490 --> 00:13:59.270 people supportive than freaking out but of course the 00:13:59.270 --> 00:14:02.470 people that just look look and then turn up their head and continue walking 00:14:02.470 --> 00:14:05.850 and a bit like shocked yeah and 00:14:05.850 --> 00:14:09.130 tell me about it speaking of freaking 00:14:09.130 --> 00:14:14.950 out i have this part of my podcast where i ask everybody can you recall any 00:14:14.950 --> 00:14:20.370 crazy photo shoot experiences that you would like to share and this could be 00:14:20.370 --> 00:14:28.810 like anything like crazy good crazy bad crazy weird weird passerbys crazy photographers. 00:14:29.590 --> 00:14:31.430 Crazy photo shoot ideas. 00:14:31.790 --> 00:14:35.110 Like what is one or two of your craziest modeling stories? 00:14:35.770 --> 00:14:40.850 There's so many because I've done like over 740 shoots now, but the one that's 00:14:40.850 --> 00:14:42.730 sticking to my head right now currently 00:14:42.730 --> 00:14:47.970 would be, I was posing art nude in Ireland in this nature reserve. 00:14:48.890 --> 00:14:54.590 And randomly this guy walked past and saw me and he sat at the bench nearest 00:14:54.590 --> 00:14:56.750 to us, took out a sandwich from 00:14:56.750 --> 00:15:00.870 his brown sandwich bag and just started eating it, watching the shoot. 00:15:01.870 --> 00:15:09.290 And I thought He was just obviously curious But I thought wow I'm his entertainment there, 00:15:10.690 --> 00:15:15.150 Maybe that's a small moment, but it was just funny witnessing it, 00:15:15.330 --> 00:15:18.750 like, you know, someone sitting down just to eat their sandwich and watch you. 00:15:19.350 --> 00:15:22.350 Wow. How far away from you was he sitting? 00:15:24.870 --> 00:15:28.870 Very close, I would say. I wouldn't be able to gauge the numbers, 00:15:29.070 --> 00:15:31.730 but he was close enough, definitely.

00:15:32.550 --> 00:15:39.330 Yeah. Did he say anything? No, he didn't. I think he was just a curious old man, actually. 00:15:40.110 --> 00:15:44.390 It's extra weird when people don't say anything yeah 00:15:44.390 --> 00:15:47.730 definitely but I do think that maybe like 00:15:47.730 --> 00:15:50.450 at the end of the day you can imagine how many people he might 00:15:50.450 --> 00:15:53.370 have told he might said oh you won't believe what I was eating my sandwich 00:15:53.370 --> 00:15:57.230 watching today in the park yeah exactly 00:15:57.230 --> 00:16:00.210 but like honestly like for 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:03.310 people listening if you're out and about and you 00:16:03.310 --> 00:16:06.730 are witnessing a nude shoot I 00:16:06.730 --> 00:16:09.450 in my opinion I think the 00:16:09.450 --> 00:16:12.910 best thing to do would say like oh I love 00:16:12.910 --> 00:16:15.630 like what you guys are doing here this is so nice and 00:16:15.630 --> 00:16:18.730 if they want to watch be like would you be comfortable if 00:16:18.730 --> 00:16:21.730 I sat over here and observed if I 00:16:21.730 --> 00:16:24.590 didn't bother you I mean like what do you think about 00:16:24.590 --> 00:16:27.890 how do you make it not weird you know I think 00:16:27.890 --> 00:16:31.330 exactly you hit the nail on the head there a 00:16:31.330 --> 00:16:34.410 bit of communication just to you know be civil 00:16:34.410 --> 00:16:37.650 and peaceful and you know show that you're not being strange 00:16:37.650 --> 00:16:41.090 and you're just friendly yeah obviously 00:16:41.090 --> 00:16:43.950 the model could be slightly vulnerable being nude and 00:16:43.950 --> 00:16:46.890 there is a photographer there but you don't know if he can fully 00:16:46.890 --> 00:16:51.510 protect her if this person's strange yeah it's good to make all parties feel 00:16:51.510 --> 00:16:58.770 safe and just be friendly and human yeah exactly in your region are there like 00:16:58.770 --> 00:17:05.030 nude beaches or like nudity permitted in like nature areas that people go to. 00:17:06.189 --> 00:17:09.049 I've heard there are some nude beaches in England. 00:17:09.049 --> 00:17:13.629 I've not been to them, but I've also heard there's like nudist events, 00:17:13.969 --> 00:17:18.389 like maybe there's some kind of nature event that has a hot tub and a kind of 00:17:18.389 --> 00:17:22.349 big cabin or something and people will go there, but that's nudists. 00:17:22.569 --> 00:17:25.869 But as for a nudist beach, I've not been to one. 00:17:25.929 --> 00:17:31.429 I walked onto one in Spain just after a shoot and I'd done like a selfie and 00:17:31.429 --> 00:17:36.129 the amount of people that was looking at me walking past because not a lot of 00:17:36.129 --> 00:17:39.809 the time a young, really in shape lady is walking down there. 00:17:40.349 --> 00:17:46.069 Yeah, totally. The reason I ask is because among all of the podcast episodes 00:17:46.069 --> 00:17:48.549 that I've interviewed people on, 00:17:48.909 --> 00:17:55.789 a good chunk of the crazy stories that people have told have happened at nude 00:17:55.789 --> 00:18:03.229 beaches where there's just some naked guy wanking it in the bushes watching 00:18:03.229 --> 00:18:06.029 the photo shoot. Oh, my God. Yeah. 00:18:07.329 --> 00:18:12.969 Wow. Right. Yeah. So, like, it's kind of weird because it's like you would think 00:18:12.969 --> 00:18:19.249 that the nudity-friendly zone would be the place where people are most normalized 00:18:19.249 --> 00:18:20.909 to the nudity-friendly. Yeah. 00:18:21.394 --> 00:18:24.894 I think it often attracts like the opposite kind of crowd. 00:18:25.694 --> 00:18:29.694 Yeah, you have to be careful. There's some photographers also that told me in 00:18:29.694 --> 00:18:33.254 the past that they're a nudist, like outside of photo shoots. 00:18:33.294 --> 00:18:39.894 And I was quite open and respectful of that because everyone comes from all walks of life. 00:18:40.034 --> 00:18:43.014 And that did make me think, oh, maybe they're more comfortable with it. 00:18:43.294 --> 00:18:49.174 But not all the time, because I once actually shot with someone while they were nude. 00:18:49.174 --> 00:18:52.474 They asked me in advance of this and I 00:18:52.474 --> 00:18:55.134 said as long as you are an actual naturist and you're not going 00:18:55.134 --> 00:18:58.014 to be weird I've not done that before but I knew this 00:18:58.014 --> 00:19:01.094 person for probably like I don't know four years 00:19:01.094 --> 00:19:04.014 I used to tour tour at theirs in Ireland twice a 00:19:04.014 --> 00:19:06.914 year so I built up that rapport with them for so many 00:19:06.914 --> 00:19:10.294 years and they asked so I felt comfortable with 00:19:10.294 --> 00:19:13.694 them and I thought okay they're not going to be strange and turns 00:19:13.694 --> 00:19:16.794 out even after knowing them for those years they were strange 00:19:16.794 --> 00:19:21.994 and they were trying to ask for a hug and trying to ask for a kiss and and it's 00:19:21.994 --> 00:19:25.974 crazy how it's crazy isn't it that you know someone for that many years and 00:19:25.974 --> 00:19:29.714 stay at their house on tours and shoot with them each time and after all that 00:19:29.714 --> 00:19:35.134 time really then their nudist approach is actually they're a pervert that's what it is. 00:19:35.717 --> 00:19:39.197 That's what it is, isn't it? Some of these nudists are perverts and some are 00:19:39.197 --> 00:19:42.717 actual nudists who are just comfortable with being nude and, 00:19:42.857 --> 00:19:43.957 you know, being in nature. 00:19:44.837 --> 00:19:48.597 Yeah right and like you know there's 00:19:48.597 --> 00:19:51.737 no harm in like you know trying to 00:19:51.737 --> 00:19:54.437 like give somebody the benefit of the doubt you know 00:19:54.437 --> 00:19:57.757 like oh yeah I want to respect your lifestyle and 00:19:57.757 --> 00:20:00.997 if

you would prefer to also be nude and this is your lifestyle then 00:20:00.997 --> 00:20:04.357 this should be comfortable right but it's so disheartening to 00:20:04.357 --> 00:20:08.117 hear that person got weird on you yeah exactly 00:20:08.117 --> 00:20:11.217 it just makes me think I was being a bit naive because many 00:20:11.217 --> 00:20:14.277 models wouldn't even say yes to something like 00:20:14.277 --> 00:20:16.997 that but that's the last time I say yes to 00:20:16.997 --> 00:20:20.337 something like that that was a good few years ago now but 00:20:20.337 --> 00:20:25.657 yeah it's weird because also the person every every I don't know every so many 00:20:25.657 --> 00:20:30.017 months they try and email me and say like if you're interested in coming for 00:20:30.017 --> 00:20:34.057 a tour I'm happy to host you or I'm happy to book you for a shoot and I think 00:20:34.057 --> 00:20:39.597 don't you realize you burn that bridge now so so definitely it's a bit creepy for sure. 00:20:40.137 --> 00:20:43.857 Does he know that he freaked you out yeah i 00:20:43.857 --> 00:20:46.757 told him that that wasn't on that you know you wasn't he 00:20:46.757 --> 00:20:49.697 was nude and i respected that as long as obviously 00:20:49.697 --> 00:20:52.597 you're not sitting in any weird positions in front of me 00:20:52.597 --> 00:20:58.537 of course and i'm not trying to like make anything sexual but yeah him asking 00:20:58.537 --> 00:21:03.117 for a kiss and a hug maybe it wasn't sexual to him i don't know but at the end 00:21:03.117 --> 00:21:07.557 of the day you've not got clothes on you're not supposed to ask that stuff even 00:21:07.557 --> 00:21:10.997 with clothes on really Right. So maybe a hug, really. 00:21:11.237 --> 00:21:14.037 You have a photographer you've known for years. But, you know, 00:21:14.137 --> 00:21:17.137 he knew he was nude. He was trying his luck. 00:21:17.197 --> 00:21:19.597 And we was on an island in Ireland. 00:21:20.647 --> 00:21:23.487 Funnily enough like you get what i mean an island in 00:21:23.487 --> 00:21:26.487 the country island yeah there's another way off of 00:21:26.487 --> 00:21:29.927 this island because we was on it together oh my 00:21:29.927 --> 00:21:32.807 god that's so awkward yeah and it wasn't like he was trying to 00:21:32.807 --> 00:21:35.467 kiss you when he wasn't nude in the 00:21:35.467 --> 00:21:38.787 past so like i don't understand how he can't 00:21:38.787 --> 00:21:42.327 see how he was being creepy yeah and 00:21:42.327 --> 00:21:45.227 he even said to me at the shoot day at one point like 00:21:45.227 --> 00:21:48.267 when he was nude and he says he went out of nowhere he 00:21:48.267 --> 00:21:51.247 said he said i've never had sex with a woman i said 00:21:51.247 --> 00:21:53.927 what really and he went oh oh um oh there was 00:21:53.927 --> 00:21:56.887 one time i forgot about that and i thought no this 00:21:56.887 --> 00:21:59.727 person is a virgin and they were probably

like in their 00:21:59.727 --> 00:22:03.107 70s oh my god so i 00:22:03.107 --> 00:22:05.927 feel like they were a virgin and it's probably messed them 00:22:05.927 --> 00:22:09.187 up a bit in their head because you know as humans we you 00:22:09.187 --> 00:22:12.367 know we have to have sex at one point to you 00:22:12.367 --> 00:22:17.207 know balance our brain and everything it's a part of life now it's not too strange 00:22:17.207 --> 00:22:21.427 mentioning that to everyone here but i'm sure you'll get what we're saying yeah 00:22:21.427 --> 00:22:26.047 yeah it's I mean it's it's normal to have like human connection on that level 00:22:26.047 --> 00:22:30.447 between consenting adults yes exactly. 00:22:31.315 --> 00:22:39.015 Exactly. But I see that situation as a very crazy one. And I didn't even mention the cherry on top of it. 00:22:39.155 --> 00:22:44.115 When we was coming off of the island, he put the shelter down too soon when 00:22:44.115 --> 00:22:46.595 I told him to keep it up because it was really hot. 00:22:46.955 --> 00:22:52.955 And so he decided to put the shelter down before the boat was coming to collect us. 00:22:52.955 --> 00:22:55.695 And i asked various times could i have the 00:22:55.695 --> 00:22:58.435 sun cream please because we were sharing sun cream and 00:22:58.435 --> 00:23:01.475 it was in his bag and he kept saying oh soon soon and 00:23:01.475 --> 00:23:04.395 and i kept having to keep asking and then eventually 00:23:04.395 --> 00:23:07.135 the last time i asked oh no no we can't now it's at the bottom of 00:23:07.135 --> 00:23:09.975 my bag and by the time we were 00:23:09.975 --> 00:23:12.855 getting on the boat and got on the boat the boat broke 00:23:12.855 --> 00:23:16.475 down in the water uh and when 00:23:16.475 --> 00:23:19.495 we got when we finally got it working after probably an hour 00:23:19.495 --> 00:23:22.395 in there oh like on the sea or not 00:23:22.395 --> 00:23:25.155 on the sea I don't know what I guess it's the sea or the 00:23:25.155 --> 00:23:28.975 coast let's say once I finally departed I 00:23:28.975 --> 00:23:33.675 noticed so much redness on my face and I was chronically sunburned I was in 00:23:33.675 --> 00:23:38.575 the sun for five hours without sun cream and it wasn't my choice I didn't you 00:23:38.575 --> 00:23:42.615 know I wasn't I was denied the sun cream and the shelter was obviously put down 00:23:42.615 --> 00:23:47.915 way too soon and I had to take about two months off of shoots or a whole month. 00:23:48.115 --> 00:23:51.495 It was quite a long time and I looked like I had a chemical accident. 00:23:52.115 --> 00:23:54.015 Oh my god that's terrible. 00:23:55.095 --> 00:23:59.955 Yeah but luckily I'm fine now but something like that really affects your confidence 00:23:59.955 --> 00:24:03.895 and sometimes looking months later you're thinking oh do I still look red because 00:24:03.895 --> 00:24:07.435 it's you know psychologically traumatized you that amount

of something. 00:24:08.255 --> 00:24:11.195 Yeah yeah and some people that you 00:24:11.195 --> 00:24:15.755 know if you don't make a living off of like the appearance of your skin and 00:24:15.755 --> 00:24:19.655 stuff like that like you know a lot of photographers don't even use sunscreen 00:24:19.655 --> 00:24:24.335 they don't care they don't think about it and they're not necessarily as empathetic 00:24:24.335 --> 00:24:28.575 of the model who it's like we can't have tan lines we can't have like a, 00:24:29.146 --> 00:24:32.706 burnt face like come on like that's that 00:24:32.706 --> 00:24:35.466 sucks he kept on asking for it and he was like 00:24:35.466 --> 00:24:39.226 oh yeah we'll get it later that that sucks yeah definitely 00:24:39.226 --> 00:24:42.006 it's crazy but I feel like that 00:24:42.006 --> 00:24:44.866 is quite an interesting story even though being in 00:24:44.866 --> 00:24:49.106 that experience you didn't enjoy it it shows that I've come through that and 00:24:49.106 --> 00:24:53.406 kind of some signs to look out for in a person because even if they're seeming 00:24:53.406 --> 00:24:57.726 nice and you've known them for a long time you need to kind of assess someone 00:24:57.726 --> 00:25:02.006 psychologically a little bit more than the usual job being a model. 00:25:02.306 --> 00:25:06.946 And I already do that, but I thought I mastered it. But that showed me that 00:25:06.946 --> 00:25:09.426 I still had things to learn and I was a bit naive. 00:25:10.385 --> 00:25:14.925 Girl, like, I've had similar situations with other, 00:25:15.145 --> 00:25:21.965 almost always a male photographer where you trust them for years and then they 00:25:21.965 --> 00:25:24.725 do some weird shit and it kind of, like, 00:25:24.905 --> 00:25:28.085 makes you lose faith in humanity a little bit because you're like, 00:25:28.185 --> 00:25:33.425 oh, I thought I knew who and how to trust and then somebody breaks that trust 00:25:33.425 --> 00:25:37.005 severely and it, like, freelance modeling, 00:25:37.385 --> 00:25:40.425 it's like, especially with people that you work with 00:25:40.425 --> 00:25:43.245 regularly for years you know 00:25:43.245 --> 00:25:46.745 you might not know that that person has like 00:25:46.745 --> 00:25:49.785 you know maybe they have a crush on you and they're hiding it 00:25:49.785 --> 00:25:53.245 and then one day they're gonna like spring something on you like you don't you 00:25:53.245 --> 00:25:57.785 never know you guys have to be always watching your back unfortunately yeah 00:25:57.785 --> 00:26:03.385 it's just about safety first and i've noticed obviously from working as a model 00:26:03.385 --> 00:26:08.525 for so long that there's more good apples than bad and it's Right with people. 00:26:08.685 --> 00:26:10.945 There's more kind people than horrible people. 00:26:11.565 --> 00:26:17.105 So yeah, that's good. It's good that I have so little negative experience because 00:26:17.105 --> 00:26:21.285

some models, they've stopped modeling because they've had so many negative experiences. 00:26:21.725 --> 00:26:27.565 Yeah, it's true. And I mean, I've definitely had a wide range of experiences, 00:26:27.565 --> 00:26:28.885 but I would agree with you. 00:26:29.005 --> 00:26:37.805 I would say that 90 to 95% of people that I've worked with are nice and respectful and cool, 00:26:38.125 --> 00:26:46.125 but when it comes to the 5 or 10% that are a little crazy or they have something 00:26:46.125 --> 00:26:48.925 up their sleeve that you don't find out until later, 00:26:49.545 --> 00:26:54.825 those stories I think they're important to share because it helps other models 00:26:54.825 --> 00:26:57.285 be aware of what could happen. 00:26:58.691 --> 00:27:02.271 Yeah, definitely. Because there's so many models that just, you know, 00:27:02.371 --> 00:27:06.631 accept every shoot they get and they don't think anything about the messages they're receiving. 00:27:06.631 --> 00:27:10.731 And they do tend to have more negative experiences because they're not kind 00:27:10.731 --> 00:27:15.431 of using psychology in some way to see it's like, oh, well, this person's being 00:27:15.431 --> 00:27:19.151 a bit blunt with me here, or they seem a bit strange with what they're saying. 00:27:19.291 --> 00:27:21.611 They just think, oh, they're booking me for a shoot and that's it. 00:27:21.611 --> 00:27:25.591 So you need to be a bit more safety conscious, but also, of course, 00:27:25.771 --> 00:27:30.411 you know, kind and not, I don't know, open-minded is the word of being there for outgoing. 00:27:30.551 --> 00:27:35.791 So kind, outgoing, charismatic, and obviously being passionate about what you're 00:27:35.791 --> 00:27:37.731 doing will get you a long way. 00:27:37.731 --> 00:27:41.151 Yeah yeah I agree definitely like 00:27:41.151 --> 00:27:44.051 being able to read between the lines when 00:27:44.051 --> 00:27:46.771 somebody's like emailing you it's really 00:27:46.771 --> 00:27:50.751 it can be helpful or you know definitely checking references 00:27:50.751 --> 00:27:57.071 on new photographers and stuff I it's it's all it's all important you know and 00:27:57.071 --> 00:28:01.671 but yeah I mean every once in a while when I'm trying to check references on 00:28:01.671 --> 00:28:07.211 somebody they'll get offended and say like oh are you calling me some kind of a creep? 00:28:07.451 --> 00:28:11.071 Like, I don't want to work with somebody who's accusing me of being a creep. 00:28:11.071 --> 00:28:15.051 And I'm like, no, I don't think that you're a creep. I'm just doing my diligence 00:28:15.051 --> 00:28:18.191 of checking references like I always do for everybody. 00:28:18.571 --> 00:28:22.591 So, you know, I think that that in itself could be a rough flag. 00:28:23.303 --> 00:28:26.023 Yeah, but sometimes it's just 00:28:26.023 --> 00:28:29.643 they built up so much rapport for themselves and we haven't seen it yet. 00:28:29.783 --> 00:28:35.263 And they quickly get annoyed because they would never want to be associated with that. 00:28:35.423 --> 00:28:40.803 There's a guy in Geneva who said he hosts models a lot on Instagram. 00:28:40.923 --> 00:28:45.283 And he sent me a big list of all these models he's hosted before, 00:28:45.423 --> 00:28:49.043 but I didn't check them out just yet because I'm not staying there anytime soon. 00:28:49.043 --> 00:28:53.083 And I just asked him, I said, oh, with the room I'm staying in, 00:28:53.143 --> 00:28:54.203 is there a lock on the door? 00:28:54.463 --> 00:28:58.063 And he said, a lock on the door? Why do you ask that? I work with so many models. 00:28:59.383 --> 00:29:02.603 And I can't remember exactly what he said, but it seemed like he was making 00:29:02.603 --> 00:29:03.883 a point to try and say that. 00:29:04.083 --> 00:29:08.443 Why do you think I'm weird? I work with all these models. I'm fine kind of thing. 00:29:08.623 --> 00:29:11.163 And I thought, well, I'm just asking about a lock. And I said, 00:29:11.223 --> 00:29:12.023 well, does it have a lock? 00:29:12.103 --> 00:29:15.163 And he said, no, because sometimes I need to get my stuff. And I thought, 00:29:15.403 --> 00:29:19.643 well, surely with me out of the room, but I didn't further message about that 00:29:19.643 --> 00:29:21.863 because I thought he seemed like he was really offended. 00:29:21.883 --> 00:29:24.403 But I was asking about, you know, the lock. 00:29:24.683 --> 00:29:26.823 And I thought, but isn't that a normal thing to ask? 00:29:27.763 --> 00:29:31.103 Right yeah i mean i feel like if somebody gets offended 00:29:31.103 --> 00:29:34.723 when you're asking like basic safety questions like 00:29:34.723 --> 00:29:39.103 that could be a red flag it's like yeah maybe you've hosted a lot of other models 00:29:39.103 --> 00:29:43.683 but like some people have certain things that they need to feel safe and comfortable 00:29:43.683 --> 00:29:48.823 especially when staying at the house of a man they've never met before yeah 00:29:48.823 --> 00:29:52.823 exactly it would make me feel more comfortable having a lock unless i knew the 00:29:52.823 --> 00:29:54.463 photographer for a long time. 00:29:55.478 --> 00:30:01.358 Yeah. Yeah, totally. And so when you're traveling, do you often look for hosting 00:30:01.358 --> 00:30:03.778 with other people or do you get hotels? 00:30:04.558 --> 00:30:08.658 It differs i would say i get airbnbs more 00:30:08.658 --> 00:30:11.798 often but there's some places i will go with 00:30:11.798 --> 00:30:14.578 a host and photographer and sometimes i've even 00:30:14.578 --> 00:30:17.498 not you know not met this photographer and only checked all 00:30:17.498 --> 00:30:20.258 the references of models who stayed there and asked them oh 00:30:20.258 --> 00:30:23.038 how has he been during the stay and once i've got that 00:30:23.038 --> 00:30:26.018 get go i will you know fly out to start my tour and meet 00:30:26.018 -->

00:30:28.818 this photographer i've never met before and stay in 00:30:28.818 --> 00:30:32.098 this house which sounds quite crazy but yeah 00:30:32.098 --> 00:30:35.398 as long as you've checked all the references of who's hosted then 00:30:35.398 --> 00:30:38.658 you are safe yeah i mean i've definitely 00:30:38.658 --> 00:30:41.618 had some weird hosting situations in my 00:30:41.618 --> 00:30:44.778 past as well yeah and it's like 00:30:44.778 --> 00:30:47.638 somebody can be fine for a two-hour shoot but then 00:30:47.638 --> 00:30:51.438 staying at their house is weird you know yeah totally 00:30:51.438 --> 00:30:54.638 but but like 00:30:54.638 --> 00:30:58.238 with anything like most of my experiences have been positive so 00:30:58.238 --> 00:31:01.398 for everybody listening that i just think that oh this 00:31:01.398 --> 00:31:04.458 whole world is just full of a bunch of negativity it's not 00:31:04.458 --> 00:31:07.238 it's just you know it's more important I mean 00:31:07.238 --> 00:31:10.518 to talk about just like not everybody 00:31:10.518 --> 00:31:14.398 wants to hear all the fantastic stories where the shoot went fine and they were 00:31:14.398 --> 00:31:18.758 great and everything was perfect because it's like good that's what's expected 00:31:18.758 --> 00:31:24.438 we want to raise awareness about you know things to look out for and like with 00:31:24.438 --> 00:31:30.178 the photographer that didn't want to let you use the sun cream like that's. 00:31:30.731 --> 00:31:37.511 That's an instance of like something that's not necessarily like creepy or predatory, 00:31:37.511 --> 00:31:45.011 but just kind of like a lack of empathy or a lack of like decency when it comes 00:31:45.011 --> 00:31:50.211 to like making sure that the model that you're working with is like, 00:31:50.571 --> 00:31:56.191 you know, their autonomy is protected or they're safe and comfortable. 00:31:56.191 --> 00:31:59.371 And things like shooting in the cold or 00:31:59.371 --> 00:32:02.131 if you have a full day shoot having a break to have 00:32:02.131 --> 00:32:05.091 lunch like things like that are are some 00:32:05.091 --> 00:32:08.131 things that i have had hard lessons 00:32:08.131 --> 00:32:10.831 on in the past and i've had to 00:32:10.831 --> 00:32:14.231 learn the hard way you know what my boundaries are 00:32:14.231 --> 00:32:17.571 and a lot of models have yeah definitely 00:32:17.571 --> 00:32:20.351 because there's some some photographers that won't 00:32:20.351 --> 00:32:23.711 really think about that stuff or they'll be so much about 00:32:23.711 --> 00:32:26.591 getting them as many pictures as they can even if they're 00:32:26.591 --> 00:32:29.391 not all going to be quality it just 00:32:29.391 --> 00:32:32.131 like a lot of photographers once they get past the 00:32:32.131 --> 00:32:35.211 very new stage they end up taking less pictures 00:32:35.211 --> 00:32:37.971 and working with quality and making sure the model is 00:32:37.971

--> 00:32:43.891 comfortable and offering you know water or snacks and in england different teas 00:32:43.891 --> 00:32:51.271 and more you know teas or coffee that's nice so in your area when you're traveling 00:32:51.271 --> 00:32:55.791 internationally what are some of the main places that you go. 00:32:56.910 --> 00:33:03.930 Mainly when I am going to national to Europe, I would go to Netherlands, Belgium, Germany. 00:33:04.270 --> 00:33:08.030 I would go to also Ireland and Scotland and Wales. 00:33:08.630 --> 00:33:13.790 And I've been to Norway once so far, but there's not a huge community or huge 00:33:13.790 --> 00:33:17.230 list I've gained at the moment. So I've not went back just yet. 00:33:17.490 --> 00:33:21.290 So I need to do a bit of a search to find some more photographers. 00:33:21.770 --> 00:33:26.470 And I've also been to Switzerland two or three times now, which I really enjoyed. 00:33:26.470 --> 00:33:32.090 It's a beautiful country really that's awesome I've never been to Switzerland 00:33:32.090 --> 00:33:37.590 or Ireland but I've heard that they're really beautiful and one day I'll definitely go out there. 00:33:38.290 --> 00:33:40.990 Yeah and definitely it's so it's so 00:33:40.990 --> 00:33:44.090 beautiful and so many photographers I meet abroad are 00:33:44.090 --> 00:33:46.990 usually really lovely and sometimes I'll turn up 00:33:46.990 --> 00:33:50.110 and they've got all this different like food and snacks and things prepared 00:33:50.110 --> 00:33:53.130 and it kind of you know shocks me and it 00:33:53.130 --> 00:33:55.990 makes me smile I remember one time where I 00:33:55.990 --> 00:33:58.790 went to a shoot and I think he's already said 00:33:58.790 --> 00:34:01.850 in advance he's going to make sure there's food there and 00:34:01.850 --> 00:34:04.890 I thought okay and when I turned up the whole table was full 00:34:04.890 --> 00:34:07.690 of full of food it was bread and hams and 00:34:07.690 --> 00:34:10.770 cheeses and all this different stuff but because I'm 00:34:10.770 --> 00:34:13.950 plant-based I couldn't eat any of it so I felt guilty 00:34:13.950 --> 00:34:16.910 but I thought well this effort he's put into I've 00:34:16.910 --> 00:34:19.710 just that effort than that thought was enough for 00:34:19.710 --> 00:34:24.370 me if that makes sense it was so lovely but when I told him oh I can't eat any 00:34:24.370 --> 00:34:29.110 of it because I'm lactose intolerant and I'm plant-based you saw his face drop 00:34:29.110 --> 00:34:32.430 and you probably was thinking oh why did and then he said why didn't you tell 00:34:32.430 --> 00:34:37.390 me and I thought because you didn't ask me what I did but it's just been sweet though. 00:34:40.210 --> 00:34:44.430 Too bad you couldn't have eaten any of it but it is nice when photographers 00:34:44.430 --> 00:34:49.670 provide snacks it just shows that they see you as another human being sometimes 00:34:49.670 --> 00:34:54.010 they ask in advance oh what

sandwich would you like and stuff but usually when 00:34:54.010 --> 00:34:58.150 I'm on shoot set I avoid wheat that's like the main thing I avoid just because 00:34:58.150 --> 00:34:59.850 I seem to bloat a lot from it and. 00:35:01.213 --> 00:35:04.913 Obviously, our image is important. So if we're going to a shoot and we look 00:35:04.913 --> 00:35:07.413 really bloated, we might not like any of the pictures. 00:35:07.673 --> 00:35:11.873 And so it's about doing the best thing for us. 00:35:12.033 --> 00:35:16.553 And usually if the food bloats us so much, it's probably like not a good food 00:35:16.553 --> 00:35:19.493 for us. It might be like an intolerance or something. 00:35:20.093 --> 00:35:26.353 Yes. So photographers listening, even though like stereotypically in the past, 00:35:26.513 --> 00:35:28.233 people say don't feed the models. 00:35:28.233 --> 00:35:31.533 Feed the models we like snacks but ask 00:35:31.533 --> 00:35:34.913 us what our dietary needs are first but 00:35:34.913 --> 00:35:38.573 but i would say that snacks and water coffee like 00:35:38.573 --> 00:35:45.153 whatever like it always lifts my mood like even if it's just like you know just 00:35:45.153 --> 00:35:48.813 quick and easy snacks that you just picked up at the gas station like like a 00:35:48.813 --> 00:35:53.893 protein bar or something like that it's nice yeah definitely and it shows your 00:35:53.893 --> 00:35:56.853 thought of for sure and it helps give the energy boost, 00:35:57.013 --> 00:36:00.033 especially when you're using so much physical energy modeling, 00:36:00.033 --> 00:36:04.213 which not a lot of people or the general public realize. 00:36:04.213 --> 00:36:09.113 Some people may think that modeling is like an easy job or not physically demanding 00:36:09.113 --> 00:36:14.153 when you know more than anyone how physically demanding it is because of all your trips. 00:36:15.193 --> 00:36:19.813 Yes, definitely. Yeah, especially when you are living on the road. 00:36:20.033 --> 00:36:24.373 Like for me, having lots of small snacks throughout the day is a good way to 00:36:24.373 --> 00:36:29.893 maintain my my energy because if I eat one big meal that I feel lethargic for 00:36:29.893 --> 00:36:34.173 a while afterwards so I just travel with snacks and if the photographer is going 00:36:34.173 --> 00:36:35.853 to provide snacks that's even better. 00:36:37.816 --> 00:36:41.736 Yeah, I agree. I feel like I just feel like I want to just sit down and watch 00:36:41.736 --> 00:36:44.596 some MTV if I have a big meal. 00:36:44.836 --> 00:36:48.556 So snacks and smaller things are more helpful to make me feel energized. 00:36:48.556 --> 00:36:51.616 Wow i have another question 00:36:51.616 --> 00:36:54.516 that i would like to ask that i also ask everybody 00:36:54.516 --> 00:36:58.256 on the show i call it the rising phoenix 00:36:58.256 --> 00:37:04.356 era of your life can you describe a situation and it could be related to your 00:37:04.356 -->

00:37:09.076 modeling or not where you were faced with some kind of challenge that you had 00:37:09.076 --> 00:37:16.596 to overcome is that now take your time okay i i would say the. 00:37:17.750 --> 00:37:24.590 Leap of faith of having but complete belief in myself and the universe if that makes sense. 00:37:25.530 --> 00:37:28.490 With when I moved into my my own 00:37:28.490 --> 00:37:31.550 house my dad was here for a few years and before 00:37:31.550 --> 00:37:34.310 he moved away he was making sure that 00:37:34.310 --> 00:37:37.310 oh are you sure you can support yourself after I leave are 00:37:37.310 --> 00:37:40.170 you are you going to be okay and I said yeah I've I've done 00:37:40.170 --> 00:37:42.850 all my calculations and my averages at work are 00:37:42.850 --> 00:37:45.790 completely fine to be able to run this house and 00:37:45.790 --> 00:37:49.170 live and all that kind of stuff and obviously you 00:37:49.170 --> 00:37:51.930 feel a little bit nervous because anything can happen and the 00:37:51.930 --> 00:37:55.390 lockdown happened a few years before that so that 00:37:55.390 --> 00:37:58.110 shows you it shows you not you were not all we 00:37:58.110 --> 00:38:01.230 don't know everything to come but me having 00:38:01.230 --> 00:38:04.430 that faith in myself and pushing myself when needed 00:38:04.430 --> 00:38:07.430 as well as knowing that the universe will take 00:38:07.430 --> 00:38:10.110 care of things and things will work out. 00:38:10.110 --> 00:38:13.250 How they're supposed to as well as me putting of course energy 00:38:13.250 --> 00:38:16.810 and effort in that will work out 00:38:16.810 --> 00:38:20.450 and a lot of people might think that's a bit risky doing something 00:38:20.450 --> 00:38:23.350 like that but I would say any business that you do 00:38:23.350 --> 00:38:26.530 is a risk but if you put in the effort then it 00:38:26.530 --> 00:38:29.210 will usually all work out I don't know 00:38:29.210 --> 00:38:32.470 if that sounds a bit too black and white but no it 00:38:32.470 --> 00:38:35.330 makes sense yeah when I 00:38:35.330 --> 00:38:38.310 first moved out of my parents place I kind of had like 00:38:38.310 --> 00:38:41.450 a similar fear like do i make enough money to 00:38:41.450 --> 00:38:47.530 pay rent and buy myself food like am i gonna be okay and at that time when i 00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:53.790 first moved out of my parents place i had like a job at a fast food restaurant 00:38:53.790 --> 00:38:59.430 so i technically had like more security because i had a paycheck but. 00:38:59.944 --> 00:39:04.284 When I became fully freelance, that was another leap of faith, 00:39:04.464 --> 00:39:06.904 which is what I'm guessing you're describing. 00:39:07.124 --> 00:39:10.224 Because when you moved out, was all of your income from modeling? 00:39:10.604 --> 00:39:18.124 Well, basically, I moved out to my new house with my dad for a few years because 00:39:18.124 --> 00:39:21.584 he was going to move out when he retired to live abroad. 00:39:21.944 --> 00:39:26.844 So he was only going to live with me for one year of this new house. That's mine. 00:39:27.004 --> 00:39:31.044 But then the lockdown happened. And so he stayed here for three years due to 00:39:31.044 --> 00:39:34.524 not being able to get abroad because obviously, you know, you weren't to get 00:39:34.524 --> 00:39:36.044 flights as easy and such. 00:39:36.204 --> 00:39:39.484 But I've always had modeling as my full-time job. 00:39:39.624 --> 00:39:45.764 I've not actually done another job, only like a day or something in a job and not enjoying it. 00:39:45.884 --> 00:39:50.524 Like I worked one day in a kebab house and I done terribly because I couldn't 00:39:50.524 --> 00:39:53.944 tell the difference between the different kebab names being plant-based. 00:39:55.324 --> 00:39:59.724 Wow. Thanks for clarifying that. I think I maybe didn't understand it at first, 00:39:59.884 --> 00:40:01.884 but yeah, I know that totally makes sense. 00:40:02.744 --> 00:40:09.524 Yeah. So it did feel, I wouldn't say even more nervous, but having no job before 00:40:09.524 --> 00:40:13.624 and starting the modeling and then eventually getting to a full-time freelance 00:40:13.624 --> 00:40:16.884 job, basically knowing, okay, am I going to be all right? 00:40:16.944 --> 00:40:20.344 Because I've never had another job before and this is my job, 00:40:20.484 --> 00:40:22.164 if that makes sense. Yeah. 00:40:23.204 --> 00:40:26.884 So it was a different challenge, but still similar vibes to yours, 00:40:26.884 --> 00:40:31.524 because being a freelancer, you can't predict everything, but some months are 00:40:31.524 --> 00:40:33.744 way better than others. So it does balance out. 00:40:34.324 --> 00:40:37.984 Yeah, yeah, exactly. It sounds like your dad was really supportive. 00:40:38.224 --> 00:40:43.304 And was he concerned about your career path? 00:40:44.451 --> 00:40:49.071 He was always very supportive of it. And like he even as a, you know, 00:40:49.211 --> 00:40:53.591 as a, well, it may sound weird to say, but if I had an art nude photo I liked, 00:40:53.611 --> 00:40:57.671 I would show him and he'd say, that looks really lovely, looks artistic, I love the shapes. 00:40:57.871 --> 00:41:01.631 So he would see it as an actual, you know, an artistic point of view. 00:41:02.331 --> 00:41:06.951 Whereas if I showed it to my mum, she would say, I don't want to see that, 00:41:07.051 --> 00:41:09.071 I don't want to see your bum, I don't want to see that. 00:41:09.471 --> 00:41:12.611 And even if I sent a laundry photo to her, she would say, oh, 00:41:12.711 --> 00:41:15.731 I don't want to see your bum, or she would say something. 00:41:15.911 --> 00:41:22.031 So she wasn't really as supportive of it where he was, which probably sounds quite strange. 00:41:22.971 --> 00:41:28.531 Well, as another fellow freelance model, to me, it personally doesn't sound strange. 00:41:28.571 -->

00:41:34.631 But I'm sure to people that are not in the industry, they might think it's strange. 00:41:34.891 --> 00:41:36.111 But no, I know what you mean. 00:41:36.611 --> 00:41:39.731 My mom at first was definitely like that. 00:41:39.731 --> 00:41:42.671 She was like you know my parents were kind 00:41:42.671 --> 00:41:45.491 of like really conservative and religious when i 00:41:45.491 --> 00:41:48.651 first started modeling they kind of were like what the 00:41:48.651 --> 00:41:51.331 fuck you know like yeah but it was a 00:41:51.331 --> 00:41:57.991 long long path for my parents to come to accepting what i did but i had i had 00:41:57.991 --> 00:42:03.471 blocked my dad on facebook for a while because he was upset about my modeling 00:42:03.471 --> 00:42:11.091 and my lifestyle and eventually like just a bunch A bunch of stuff happened in our life, and I... 00:42:12.205 --> 00:42:14.965 Kind of shared with him how the industry works and 00:42:14.965 --> 00:42:17.905 it made him more comfortable and I 00:42:17.905 --> 00:42:20.845 unblocked him on Facebook and I started letting 00:42:20.845 --> 00:42:23.525 him see some of my photos just the ones that I would 00:42:23.525 --> 00:42:26.645 post on Facebook which you know you can't 00:42:26.645 --> 00:42:29.645 post like nipple on stuff on Facebook but 00:42:29.645 --> 00:42:32.565 you could post implied nudity and so 00:42:32.565 --> 00:42:35.585 every once in a while he would like comment on 00:42:35.585 --> 00:42:38.725 one of my modeling pictures that oh this is very creative 00:42:38.725 --> 00:42:41.845 and I was like that's the exact response that 00:42:41.845 --> 00:42:44.765 I was hoping for so for for your dad 00:42:44.765 --> 00:42:48.005 to see that as creative and liking 00:42:48.005 --> 00:42:53.165 the lines and the shapes it means that he like understands what you're doing 00:42:53.165 --> 00:42:58.105 and like he doesn't think that it's some kind of like a phase or that you're 00:42:58.105 --> 00:43:02.505 acting out or that you're in it for the wrong reasons or or or that it's like 00:43:02.505 --> 00:43:05.865 some nefarious activity you know. 00:43:06.579 --> 00:43:11.879 Yeah, I'm really glad how supportive he is because usually like the male parent 00:43:11.879 --> 00:43:15.339 can be more stricter with something like that from what I've seen. 00:43:15.939 --> 00:43:21.039 So, yeah, I'm very grateful. And I did first do a modeling shoot when I was 12. 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.619 And it was like with one of those companies that try and tell you, 00:43:24.859 --> 00:43:29.039 oh, yeah, we'll take these pictures and you pay for them and we'll put you in 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.799 our agency and we'll help find you work. 00:43:31.959 --> 00:43:36.059 But it was a scam, you see, that I'm sure you've heard of that most popular scam. 00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:38.999 Oh yeah and he paid for those photos but 00:43:38.999 --> 00:43:42.099 I even felt a dodgy vibe on the day and

I said like 00:43:42.099 --> 00:43:45.039 when they was asking for the payment I was saying I 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.879 said oh it's up to you dad because I'm not really sure if it's 00:43:47.879 --> 00:43:50.779 okay but him being a dad and wanting to 00:43:50.779 --> 00:43:53.579 you know help me out probably and think oh but she 00:43:53.579 --> 00:43:56.299 wants this and paying anyway even though 00:43:56.299 --> 00:43:59.079 I wasn't sure and then him realizing oh no this is 00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:02.099 a scam they word it carefully to make out that they can 00:44:02.099 --> 00:44:05.019 put you on their website and find you work when that's not 00:44:05.019 --> 00:44:08.299 how it is yeah that's my 00:44:08.299 --> 00:44:11.299 first experience with like modeling as such 00:44:11.299 --> 00:44:14.199 but that that was just obviously something to get a lot 00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:17.399 of money from people yeah he ended up paying like 00:44:17.399 --> 00:44:22.039 500 pounds for the pictures and i didn't have a user and he just saw on facebook 00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:29.979 for my own you know friends and you were 12 yeah wow 13 actually 12 or 13 all 00:44:29.979 --> 00:44:34.899 right still that's so young to be scamming 13-year-olds as messed up. 00:44:35.593 --> 00:44:38.613 Yeah, I've seen them in the newspaper before, these companies, 00:44:38.893 --> 00:44:41.353 and I think they're making a big crap down. 00:44:41.553 --> 00:44:44.613 But I still see some websites come up and they're like, oh, any model, 00:44:44.773 --> 00:44:48.293 we're looking for anyone of any age, be seen now. 00:44:48.473 --> 00:44:52.733 And even on the day, they'll put someone in the room that gets rejected. 00:44:52.953 --> 00:44:56.533 Like someone will come out and say, oh, you didn't make it. And the person will 00:44:56.533 --> 00:44:57.633 walk away a little upset. 00:44:57.853 --> 00:45:02.373 But then when they're actually telling the people to pay, they're saying, oh, come in the room. 00:45:02.733 --> 00:45:06.573 So, you know, it's already suspicious. why would you reject him in front of 00:45:06.573 --> 00:45:09.513 everyone why wouldn't you reject and reject him in the room. 00:45:11.393 --> 00:45:14.333 Yeah so that was crazy and I hope more people 00:45:14.333 --> 00:45:17.033 know about that because there was a friend of mine that said oh 00:45:17.033 --> 00:45:19.853 I'm gonna get into it a few quite a few years 00:45:19.853 --> 00:45:22.993 ago and I told her look I've been modeling for a while that that's 00:45:22.993 --> 00:45:25.833 not I don't think that's right I think that's a scam if they're asking for 00:45:25.833 --> 00:45:28.873 pay it's wrong they said oh no they chose me they 00:45:28.873 --> 00:45:31.633 don't accept everyone and I said okay so i believe what you 00:45:31.633 --> 00:45:34.313 want because that's not true and they never spoke to 00:45:34.313 --> 00:45:37.253 me after probably because you know they realized that 00:45:37.253 --> 00:45:40.193 i was right and they didn't really want to you know admit 00:45:40.193 --> 00:45:42.993 admit what happened but i wasn't there 00:45:42.993 --> 00:45:45.913 to coin fingers i just wanted to help them of course because 00:45:45.913 --> 00:45:48.733 i experienced that myself and it's good 00:45:48.733 --> 00:45:51.673 to be aware yeah there are many modeling 00:45:51.673 --> 00:45:56.113 agencies in england that are actually real agencies of course if you want to 00:45:56.113 --> 00:46:00.593 find any actual ones everyone there's a model directory website i know where 00:46:00.593 --> 00:46:06.793 you can search for all of them and it's called models or what is it called slash 00:46:06.793 --> 00:46:08.953 agency slash maybe you know it, 00:46:09.673 --> 00:46:13.053 you know i think i've heard of it but i haven't like. 00:46:14.357 --> 00:46:18.977 Signed up for it or anything like that. I've not signed up as such, 00:46:19.117 --> 00:46:22.617 but it's good to search like in different countries and see how many agencies 00:46:22.617 --> 00:46:25.517 are there because they only have legitimate ones. 00:46:25.757 --> 00:46:30.037 So if you get an inquiry from someone saying, oh yeah, we can bring you for 00:46:30.037 --> 00:46:32.277 a portfolio testers shoot or something, 00:46:32.777 --> 00:46:37.237 then just probably, if they're not on there, don't say yes, just go to the source 00:46:37.237 --> 00:46:41.617 and you can start applying and, you know, see who's interested. 00:46:42.297 --> 00:46:45.137 Yeah when i was around 20 or so 00:46:45.137 --> 00:46:49.117 i fell for a similar scam where they wanted 00:46:49.117 --> 00:46:52.057 to charge me like 400 to like start a 00:46:52.057 --> 00:46:54.737 portfolio with them and then they're like oh but 00:46:54.737 --> 00:46:58.177 you're gonna make your money back with the first booking and 00:46:58.177 --> 00:47:01.017 then there was no bookings of course yeah that's 00:47:01.017 --> 00:47:04.077 what they said to me as well oh you make your money back that's only 00:47:04.077 --> 00:47:06.917 a small amount i did make it back years 00:47:06.917 --> 00:47:10.037 later but not because of them right yeah 00:47:10.037 --> 00:47:12.817 like if if you have faith in like 00:47:12.817 --> 00:47:15.837 the models that you're signing if they're gonna make their money 00:47:15.837 --> 00:47:19.057 back on the first booking why do you just not charge 00:47:19.057 --> 00:47:25.597 them an initial portfolio fee right like yeah usually every agency just takes 00:47:25.597 --> 00:47:31.037 a small cut from each job yeah that's the same with like acting casting agencies 00:47:31.037 --> 00:47:37.497 as well yeah yeah totally so I have another question and this is like. 00:47:38.619 --> 00:47:43.659 Kind of unrelated, but since your name is Kitty, I wanted to ask you, do you like cats? 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:50.419 Yes, I do. I've had a cat called Harry since I was 12 and he's

still around. 00:47:50.419 --> 00:47:56.159 He's just sitting next to my laptop right now and trying to tap me and trying to come up my lap. 00:47:56.279 --> 00:48:00.239 I've been trying to move him because his little bell may make a bit too much noise. 00:48:00.739 --> 00:48:05.219 Aw, I haven't heard it at all, by the way. I think I saw your cat when I was 00:48:05.219 --> 00:48:07.859 scrolling on your pictures today. Is he black and white? 00:48:08.619 --> 00:48:11.839 Yes, he is. God, that's awesome. 00:48:12.139 --> 00:48:15.359 But that is partly why I named myself Kitty. 00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:20.419 It was Jade Kitty when I had a page called, I think it was actually Jade Kitty 00:48:20.419 --> 00:48:22.939 Dawson-saurus, like when I'd done the site modeling. 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:25.719 So very assine or emo name at the time. 00:48:26.259 --> 00:48:31.659 And then when I was starting to be a professional model, I changed my model name to Kitty Dawson. 00:48:31.659 --> 00:48:34.359 Yeah yeah and that 00:48:34.359 --> 00:48:37.599 sounds realistic enough for somebody to believe that 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.419 it's your real name too and i love it i mean 00:48:40.419 --> 00:48:44.039 because also like your facial features are 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:46.779 you have cat-like facial features you've got 00:48:46.779 --> 00:48:49.479 the big eyes you have the cute face and like 00:48:49.479 --> 00:48:53.019 a button nose so i feel like your modeling name really 00:48:53.019 --> 00:48:55.659 does emulate like your your look as a 00:48:55.659 --> 00:48:58.519 model well thank you that's really 00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:01.159 nice to hear a lot of photographers say I have an 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.039 elfin look so I feel like the cat and elf 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.239 and stuff kind of connect don't they yeah I 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.179 guess when I when I think elfin I think like I 00:49:10.179 --> 00:49:13.079 got like a small chin and a small nose but like 00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:16.699 big ears I don't think you have big ears yeah 00:49:16.699 --> 00:49:22.059 I've got some elf ears but I put them on top of my ears yeah I recently packed 00:49:22.059 --> 00:49:25.779 them for a shoot I'm doing because I've got some shoots coming up in London 00:49:25.779 --> 00:49:30.639 this week and one of them's a big cosplay shoot and part of it I'm going to 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.579 be an elf fairy type character that sounds fun. 00:49:35.738 --> 00:49:43.518 Do you do a lot of cosplay? It's more kind of like sexy or glamorous cosplay than anything. 00:49:43.778 --> 00:49:48.618 But I have had shoots where it is more like cosplay, which is, 00:49:48.858 --> 00:49:51.918 I don't know if I would say proper or if that's the right word. 00:49:52.098 --> 00:49:58.578 But being an elf or doing Red Riding Hood or an anime character would be more 00:49:58.578 --> 00:50:00.558 on the lines of real cosplay to me. 00:50:00.718 --> 00:50:04.118 Whereas, well, maybe I sound rude saying that. 00:50:04.118 --> 00:50:07.438 I'm not I'm not trying to say the other cosplay isn't but obviously if 00:50:07.438 --> 00:50:10.418 I'm doing the real character they I want them to look as 00:50:10.418 --> 00:50:13.518 specific as they can so I've got so many outfits 00:50:13.518 --> 00:50:16.538 for those things and I do get a lot of cosplay 00:50:16.538 --> 00:50:19.498 bookings in the year over time but 00:50:19.498 --> 00:50:23.398 it's more a variation so some photographers 00:50:23.398 --> 00:50:26.298 may book me fashion to lingerie or fashion to 00:50:26.298 --> 00:50:29.438 art nude and some may even just book for 00:50:29.438 --> 00:50:32.538 fashion so when I do get a cosplay shoot I'm quite excited 00:50:32.538 --> 00:50:35.758 about it because even though there's a less room 00:50:35.758 --> 00:50:38.818 in my suitcase for other stuff because of all the cosplay outfits 00:50:38.818 --> 00:50:41.838 it's fun to create these characters and do different 00:50:41.838 --> 00:50:44.718 creative looks of makeup I think that's 00:50:44.718 --> 00:50:49.558 why I enjoy shoots the most when I'm accessorizing and doing different makeup 00:50:49.558 --> 00:50:53.778 and creating these different looks even if it's a fashion shoot where you're 00:50:53.778 --> 00:50:59.438 doing some elaborate makeup in it yeah that's great yeah a A lot of traveling 00:50:59.438 --> 00:51:03.418 models just do like very basic makeup looks, 00:51:03.578 --> 00:51:08.238 so I do think that having like a wider range to be able to do more unique makeup 00:51:08.238 --> 00:51:10.958 looks is, that's a good skill. 00:51:11.218 --> 00:51:13.818 I mean, makeup is hard. It's like art, you know? 00:51:14.556 --> 00:51:19.956 Yeah, definitely. And I more often do natural and more classical looks because 00:51:19.956 --> 00:51:23.936 that's what a lot of photographers seem to prefer because it can suit a variation 00:51:23.936 --> 00:51:28.836 of ideas as well as waking up at like five or six in the morning to do a look 00:51:28.836 --> 00:51:30.536 that the photographer might not want. 00:51:30.616 --> 00:51:35.536 It can be a waste of time. So it's always good to clarify if it's too much. 00:51:35.636 --> 00:51:39.476 But usually they will tell you if, you know, what they're looking for or if 00:51:39.476 --> 00:51:41.156 they don't want you to wear certain makeup. 00:51:41.776 --> 00:51:44.836 I've got one shoot this week that told me to wear no makeup, 00:51:45.136 --> 00:51:48.116 which I don't often hear that. So, okay, that'll be interesting. 00:51:49.096 --> 00:51:52.456 Yeah. Yeah. Every once in a while, I get somebody that requests that. 00:51:52.676 --> 00:51:59.616 I still put a very faint amount of foundation and stuff. Just, you know. 00:52:00.676 --> 00:52:02.076 Yeah. They are really lined up. 00:52:02.356 --> 00:52:06.056 Or aren't they? Just a natural look that doesn't look like makeup. Yeah. 00:52:07.176 -->

00:52:11.836 With your fantasy and cosplay outfits, do you make all that stuff yourself? 00:52:12.916 --> 00:52:17.116 I don't. I would love to be able to experiment with it, but I don't feel like 00:52:17.116 --> 00:52:20.656 I have a lot of time because obviously these people are pure stylists, 00:52:20.716 --> 00:52:23.396 how much hours they go into it, they're sewing. 00:52:23.696 --> 00:52:30.136 But I usually source my outfits from online, like Amazon and different websites. 00:52:30.136 --> 00:52:33.376 Sites and I recently found a new site that 00:52:33.376 --> 00:52:36.236 does a lot of gothic and different cosplay outfits I'm 00:52:36.236 --> 00:52:39.896 not sure where they're getting them from but it's surely not because I've 00:52:39.896 --> 00:52:42.636 checked yeah yeah I found a lot of 00:52:42.636 --> 00:52:46.736 nice things and even it didn't just come with the outfit it came with like a 00:52:46.736 --> 00:52:50.976 bag of accessories to go with it so everything you saw in the picture you got 00:52:50.976 --> 00:52:56.756 and I thought wow that's amazing that's awesome yeah that's really handy I've 00:52:56.756 --> 00:53:01.296 made a couple costumes over the course of my life, but personally, 00:53:01.876 --> 00:53:04.856 cosplay isn't really, like, my thing. 00:53:04.856 --> 00:53:10.216 I do think it's neat, but I think any cosplay outfit I've ever accumulated was because I 00:53:10.613 --> 00:53:14.673 I came up with a Halloween costume one time and then I just kept it for photo 00:53:14.673 --> 00:53:16.833 shoots in case somebody wanted to shoot me in it. 00:53:17.613 --> 00:53:22.593 Yeah, of course. That's a good idea. Yeah. I don't wear Halloween costumes anymore 00:53:22.593 --> 00:53:27.553 because I don't really go to parties as much like I used to when I was a teenager. 00:53:27.553 --> 00:53:31.713 But I have so many alternative and cosplay outfits for shoots. 00:53:31.973 --> 00:53:35.673 Yeah. I got gifted them from people or bought some of them. 00:53:35.773 --> 00:53:39.093 And I thought, oh, it'd been handy for a shoot one day or I would like to shoot in that. 00:53:39.093 --> 00:53:43.353 And quite a lot of them I've not shot in yet. So I have been recently making 00:53:43.353 --> 00:53:48.433 a fantasy and cosplay casting on Purple Port to let people know about all these 00:53:48.433 --> 00:53:51.593 outfits I have, because most of them I'm not shotting. 00:53:52.433 --> 00:53:56.093 Obviously, there's a wide range I have, but there's so many that I haven't because 00:53:56.093 --> 00:53:58.633 not all photographers prefer cosplay. 00:53:58.813 --> 00:54:01.973 It's quite a small amount of photographers who book me for that. 00:54:02.153 --> 00:54:06.353 But I still have all the outfits, if that makes sense. Yeah. 00:54:06.613 --> 00:54:13.833 And if you enjoy doing that, it gives you like there's so much more like what's the word spark in it. 00:54:13.893 --> 00:54:17.353 If it's something that you are really creatively invested in, 00:54:17.413 --> 00:54:21.233 it sounds exciting that you have all of these outfits that you want to shoot. 00:54:22.217 --> 00:54:25.397 Yeah, definitely. I hope I get to shoot with them more. 00:54:25.537 --> 00:54:31.097 But since there's a cosplay shoot this week, I'm going to pack quite a few things. 00:54:31.097 --> 00:54:34.857 And I'm going to pack this big Gengar Pokemon little onesie thing. 00:54:35.417 --> 00:54:39.877 It's cut at the thigh, so it's like a bit sexy. And it just looks so amazing. 00:54:40.217 --> 00:54:44.997 But when you're a traveling model, it can be hard to fit in proper cosplay outfits 00:54:44.997 --> 00:54:46.537 because of the suitcase room. 00:54:46.537 --> 00:54:49.457 Oh yeah i fitted in what i can as 00:54:49.457 --> 00:54:52.917 well as smaller cosplay like college girl and things like 00:54:52.917 --> 00:54:58.217 that so there's a variation of small skimpy ones as well as two main ones like 00:54:58.217 --> 00:55:03.737 red riding hood and the kind of sexy gengar which can still work for fashion 00:55:03.737 --> 00:55:08.077 i wouldn't say that someone couldn't go out in it it's you know safe for work 00:55:08.077 --> 00:55:12.717 enough for sure oh yeah yeah that's great Yeah. 00:55:13.377 --> 00:55:18.717 So we're coming up onto our hour. And I do want to ask you, do you have upcoming 00:55:18.717 --> 00:55:23.177 tours or anything else that you would like to promote on the podcast? 00:55:24.396 --> 00:55:29.936 Coming towards the end of the year and I have some new tours for 2026 that I'm planning. 00:55:30.416 --> 00:55:37.156 They're mainly in England at the moment, but in 2026, I'll be off to Austria 00:55:37.156 --> 00:55:39.456 at some point for the first time to Vienna. 00:55:39.756 --> 00:55:43.376 I'm not sure about the dates yet, but it should be early winter. 00:55:43.896 --> 00:55:47.396 I'm going to Somerset in England in January. 00:55:48.036 --> 00:55:53.216 And usually in the kind of February to April period, I go to a range of European 00:55:53.216 --> 00:55:59.636 countries, and I'm looking to expand to Italy as well, as well as go back to Switzerland. 00:55:59.636 --> 00:56:04.376 So I've not set all my dates yet, everyone, but there's a lot of lovely places 00:56:04.376 --> 00:56:07.276 I'll be going to as well as returning to. 00:56:07.536 --> 00:56:11.816 But of course, the big one is in February or March, I'll be off to Australia 00:56:11.816 --> 00:56:14.176 and going to a few cities. 00:56:15.156 --> 00:56:18.916 That's awesome. So I'm guessing you'll be going to Sydney, but do you know where 00:56:18.916 --> 00:56:20.756 else in Australia you'll be going? 00:56:21.736 --> 00:56:26.336 Yeah, Sydney is going to be the first stop. I'm planning to go to, I think, Brisbane. 00:56:27.236 --> 00:56:31.896 And there was, I think, one or two other cities. But I thought maybe keep it 00:56:31.896 --> 00:56:35.016 to two cities first because it's my first

time. 00:56:35.156 --> 00:56:37.696 But I'm kind of tempted to add like Adelaide in. 00:56:37.936 --> 00:56:41.776 I was thinking of Perth, but that is quite a while away from Sydney. 00:56:41.916 --> 00:56:43.696 So I'm not sure. I'm tempted. 00:56:44.416 --> 00:56:49.336 I've never been to Perth just because it's just way over on the other side of the continent. 00:56:49.596 --> 00:56:54.336 But there were some nature locations that were close to there that I really wanted to go to. 00:56:55.276 --> 00:57:01.236 Yeah. Well, maybe you'll go next time. There's so many... The people there are so nice and... 00:57:02.737 --> 00:57:09.017 It is, I mean, to me, it feels very similar to the United States as far as, like, 00:57:09.837 --> 00:57:15.617 people's lifestyles and the kind of stuff they talk about and the modeling rates 00:57:15.617 --> 00:57:18.537 are similar to the United States, which, 00:57:18.817 --> 00:57:21.977 by the way, I don't know if you were planning to come to the United States, 00:57:22.077 --> 00:57:27.217 but the rates are good out here, which would be maybe the only great reason 00:57:27.217 --> 00:57:28.997 to come out here, aside from... 00:57:29.248 --> 00:57:34.708 Some of the major locations are awesome. Yeah, I was planning to for a while, actually. 00:57:34.848 --> 00:57:39.788 I was going to go to Tennessee and California, but obviously the visa can take 00:57:39.788 --> 00:57:43.348 so many months to get verified and you need to have a really sound application. 00:57:43.508 --> 00:57:47.108 So I'm working on it this year and early next year. 00:57:47.228 --> 00:57:49.868 And when I've got all the things, I think, okay, tick, tick, 00:57:50.008 --> 00:57:53.048 tick, this is enough for the application, then I'll apply. 00:57:53.248 --> 00:57:59.528 It's just I don't drive, so I have to mainly stick to the public transport states which isn't as many. 00:58:00.468 --> 00:58:05.788 Yeah that I mean I if I were to recommend a place in the U.S. 00:58:05.888 --> 00:58:13.108 To go to with lots of photographers and a good public transportation I would say New York for sure. 00:58:13.328 --> 00:58:19.088 I was thinking that too I don't know anywhere else that would I just know New 00:58:19.088 --> 00:58:24.608 York has a subway so yeah but I don't know any photographers there just yet 00:58:24.608 --> 00:58:27.368 but of course there's directories I can look into. 00:58:27.728 --> 00:58:33.248 Yeah. I know a lot in California, but obviously I don't know how the transportation's there. 00:58:33.568 --> 00:58:39.268 Well, if it's of any help, I can say that the first five years of my traveling 00:58:39.268 --> 00:58:41.308 modeling, I couldn't rent cars. 00:58:41.368 --> 00:58:47.028 So I had to plan out like my shoots as far as like, 00:58:47.188 --> 00:58:50.388 am I going to take the bus or am I going to take a cab or 00:58:50.388 --> 00:58:53.508 is a photographer going to pick me up and drop me off and a 00:58:53.508 --> 00:58:56.788 lot of times photographers are willing to pick you up it's not 00:58:56.788 --> 00:58:59.688 too far away so if you're able to plan your shoots out 00:58:59.688 --> 00:59:02.588 in a way that they're not too far away from each other 00:59:02.588 --> 00:59:07.528 and then from one city to the next just take a greyhound or a like a bus or 00:59:07.528 --> 00:59:13.448 a train from one major city to the next and it's totally possible okay no that's 00:59:13.448 --> 00:59:17.228 good to hear that there's still possibilities because I've got some American 00:59:17.228 --> 00:59:20.948 friends and some of them are taking like taxis everywhere they go. 00:59:21.148 --> 00:59:24.648 And I thought that may add up a lot. I was a bit concerned. Yeah, no, that's... 00:59:25.549 --> 00:59:29.849 You don't have to take taxis or Ubers or is there Uber in the UK? 00:59:30.529 --> 00:59:33.949 Yeah, there is. Right. Yeah. You don't have to take Ubers everywhere. 00:59:33.949 --> 00:59:37.209 If you plan ahead far enough, you know, it is possible. 00:59:37.349 --> 00:59:41.949 But yeah, I mean, you'll figure it out. If you come to the US, 00:59:41.949 --> 00:59:43.249 I'm sure you'll have a great trip. 00:59:44.049 --> 00:59:48.589 Yeah, I definitely will. And I'm sure it will be in the pipeline for next year, 00:59:48.729 --> 00:59:52.509 maybe the year after at a push, because once I've got the Australian visa, 00:59:52.529 --> 00:59:55.709 it's good to go there a few times in the year so I'm not 00:59:55.709 --> 00:59:58.589 sure if I can balance Europe Australia and you and 00:59:58.589 --> 01:00:01.589 the US in the same year that sounds like a bit 01:00:01.589 --> 01:00:04.629 of a hectic time with not enough me time to 01:00:04.629 --> 01:00:07.569 reset so I'll see how it goes maybe 01:00:07.569 --> 01:00:11.429 I can fit it in comfortably cool right 01:00:11.429 --> 01:00:14.569 on well that's awesome well thank you 01:00:14.569 --> 01:00:19.369 Kitty for taking the time to do this podcast episode with me I've had a really 01:00:19.369 --> 01:00:24.109 great time getting to know you better and learning about what it's like modeling 01:00:24.109 --> 01:00:29.709 in the UK and in Europe and in your past experiences and your crazy photo shoot 01:00:29.709 --> 01:00:31.549 stories. It's been a fun episode. 01:00:32.169 --> 01:00:36.989 Yeah, it has for sure. And I'm sure you know, we could talk all day about this 01:00:36.989 --> 01:00:42.109 kind of stuff and the logistics and how to get around Europe and all that interesting stuff. 01:00:42.369 --> 01:00:45.289 But we'll save and save more for maybe next time. 01:00:45.849 --> 01:00:47.869 Yeah, sounds good. Cool. 01:00:48.649 --> 01:00:51.789 All right, well, I'm going to let you go, but I'll touch base with you over 01:00:51.789 --> 01:00:53.929 Instagram about, like, follow-up. 01:00:54.409 --> 01:00:58.789 Okay, great. I hope you have a great night or day wherever you are.