บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Stem Cell Therapy for Athletes: MLB Veteran Eduardo Pérez Shares His Recovery Story

wood, up to now, uh that left knee has been fabulous and we're going on three years with that left knee. [3:23] Yes. Yes. So then then then [3:30] my left ankle getting out of the car, I actually I twisted my ankle because I stepped on a a wrong side maybe like [3:37] nine months ago or 10 months ago and I thought it would go away because it was just a little strain. Um that little [3:44] strain it was hard for me to walk when I wanted to walk on the beach on the soft sand. It was hard to if I needed to turn [3:52] really quick one way. Um, and I could walk straight, but it was very tender, [3:57] very sore. I found myself taking a lot of um anti-inflammatories, acetaminophen, and and I wondered, okay, [4:05] what's what do I do next? [4:08] I then we uh then decided to take a a trip to Medí. And lo and behold, it just popped in my mind. I was like, wait, Dr. [4:17] E is here. and we ended up going to see you at um at at your clinic at your [4:24] compound, which is unbelievable by the way. And when we went there, you ended up not only treating me for uh the the [4:34] ankle, which by the way, and a full disclaimer, at that moment, it hurt a lot. um the ankle and then but you hit [4:42] it right on the point and you were able to put if I'm not mistaken 50 million stem cells into that ankle into where it hurt [4:49] um the first day very sore but um we're on day three I believe right now day three or day four right [4:56] now and it's it's it's sore but it's a different sore than what I had before even day one and even before [5:04] day um before I went into um your your your clinic I will say this, I know [5:11] they're working. I do the red light treatment like you tell me to do. Um, [5:16] and um, so far I've been patient. I've been trying to lay off a little bit, let the let the healing happen, moving my [5:24] ankle as much as I can all around and um, doing move movements that I couldn't do before. So, I know that little by [5:32] little it's working and I'm just have to be very patient with it. But um very happy so far with with uh what has [5:39] happened. Also I was able to also get um 100 million stem cells through the IV. [5:45] So um cord stem cells through the IV and woke up yesterday and today I didn't even think about it. I didn't have to even stretch. I just woke up and went. [5:54] So that right there is going to even get better and better as the days go by. [5:58] Good. Good. So you feel the effect of the IV even though you know you didn't know what IV I didn't go I didn't go for I didn't go [6:06] in for the IV but I was like you know what one in Rome two has Romans and I went in there and I was able to um take [6:16] advantage of what you were able to offer and and and let us know and for that I'm grateful. [6:23] So um how did your wife Merva feel after the IV? Did she feel anything? She does immediately. She's like, she got up, as [6:31] a matter of fact, this morning, and she's like, "I'm going to go work out." [6:34] I'm like, "It's, by the way, we're we're recording this on a Saturday." Um, and she woke up and she went to work out. [6:40] I'm like, "What are you doing? You never work out on Saturday." She goes, "I want to go work out." I'm like, "Okay, okay. [6:47] I'm not going to tell her because if I tell her, then I just have to let her figure it out on her own." Each one has their own journey, I feel. [6:54] So, the reason she never works out on Saturday is because she's tired? No, I think the reason she works out, she works out really hard from Monday to [7:02] Friday and usually she takes Saturdays off. Um, so takes Saturdays off, she'll walk, she'll do something light. [7:09] Uh, but she went straight for her for her cardio and then and and and she was ready to go. Yeah, I know she does a lot of workout, [7:18] right? She goes to gym all the time building muscles. She does. She needs to keep strong. [7:22] She's seen what age I'm three years older than she is. So, she's seen what, [7:27] you know, what the future might look like for her three years down the road, [7:31] and she wants to make sure that she stays in great optimal condition. Plus, um, and I can't speak for her on this, [7:38] but she's she's very good when it happens to when, you know, when it comes down to pmenopause and and and all that [7:45] stuff. And she wants to make sure she takes everything she needs for her body to be an optimal condition uh to take [7:53] away a lot of the abuse from from estrogen, from whatever it need from that she needs to do to get it right. [8:00] Then uh she goes and she she does her research and and uh she asks a lot of questions and she asked you a lot of questions as well. [8:07] I know. I know. And takes two years before she actually decides she wants to do it herself. [8:14] Yeah. But as soon as she walked in, as soon as she walked into Seni, um uh things changed. Things changed for her [8:21] and um she walked in and and she felt very comfortable with you and with your staff. And I think that's when she's like, "Okay, I'm going to do 100 million [8:29] through the IV as well." And it's because we were running out of time because if not, [8:33] I think she would have uh just uh set up camp there. [8:37] So, when do you guys want to go there again? [8:40] I'm telling you, she's already making plans. as soon as my schedule slows down. Um, uh, it's look, it's I think everybody has to do their own research, [8:50] right? Everybody is everybody is entitled to their own opinions. Um, [8:55] we've done our research. We've had a lot of assistance uh, from you. We've done we've gone online, we've we've listened, [9:03] we've read. Um, and I think the biggest tool one can have is education, right? [9:08] and educate educating oneself with what's going on in in in [9:15] right now with with medicine with advanced medicine and I think this right here is something that is uh it just makes sense it makes sense and for my [9:24] body it's worked and um I think

sometimes we are afraid of change I think it's a natural instinct of any [9:33] human it's in in any capacity in any job you do it's like oh really this is different. Um, but it is it's real. It's [9:41] real. And I, you know, and being in the business that I am in, which is broadcasting Major League Baseball games and being around the game and caring and [9:50] and seeing the athletes um, go in max effort and their bodies sometimes not being able to hold um, is hard to watch. [10:01] I'm 56 years old. I've had 17 surgeries already, right? And I really do feel that if I would have at least been able [10:10] to do this therapy during the off season, as soon as the season ended, the inflammation would go. I think um I [10:17] think the biggest cause of all of this is you want to perform. You want to be on the field, you want to participate, [10:25] not only for yourself, not only for your family, but for your fans, your city. Um and you know that your time is limited [10:32] as an athlete. So, you want to take advantage of as much as you can. And for me, it just makes a lot of sense that any athlete, it's not just in baseball, [10:42] it could be in any sport, um should look into this and and and see how they can at least [10:50] get that cell to help you and reproduce and be able to take that inflammation out. see if there's something wrong with [10:58] a certain part of your body to to to so it can level out again. Um, the body is also meant to be able to to to [11:08] let it rest. And I think with this uh stem cell therapy, the umbilical cord uh stem cell therapy, it's it's for me it's [11:16] a no-brainer. I just wish I was 26 because I'd be visiting you every year. [11:22] So when you first started out doing your shoulder with stem cells? Yeah, I was skeptical. [11:27] Did you ask your doctor like orthop orthopedic doctor about it and then they were saying, "Oh, it's not proven. You [11:35] better just better off doing steroid injection." [11:38] No. Uh to be honest with you, no. I I with my orthopedic doctor, I went in, I had the MRI, they're like, "You've got a [11:46] tear. We can do PRP is what they told me because it's we're here in the United States and it's not regulated here in the United States." [11:53] Um, but we can also do the stem cell therapy, but it comes out of your own stem cells. Now, let's think about this. [12:01] This was probably, I want to say in 2017 when I had this done. So, I was 48 years old, around there. So, my cells are how old? 48. [12:12] Um, think about your body at 48. And think about an umbilical cord stem cell [12:19] which is zero. which is zero age and it is ready to work. It is ready to grow. [12:25] It is ready. It's the way it was explained to me before I met you is just think about a colony of ants and the [12:33] ants are workers and the ants want to fix, they want to build, they want to continue to they they don't stop, right? [12:43] So with the umbilical cords uh stem cells, these are just ready to take orders as well. They're ready to learn. [12:52] They're ready to go in and and start reproducing and start building and start making everything around your body stronger and taking out the stuff that's [13:00] not supposed to be there. And while you sleep, while you rest, while you um they're in there working. My 48-year-old [13:08] stem cells, they're a little tired. um they sort of die off a little bit early uh because it is what it is. It's it's [13:16] that time. But they were good enough for my shoulder, right? [13:20] Um now we always seek and strive for okay, what's next? What's better in the United States? They're not allowed. Um FDA not approved. [13:30] I don't know if it's big pharma. I don't want to get into that political side of it because that that's my education gets there and as far as I can go. But at [13:39] least for me being able to go to your clinic, it's a no-brainer. Um that's [13:47] that's how I feel personally. Um and then when the doctor told me, he goes, [13:53] "Well, we can do going back to the story, we can go and do PRP." I said, [13:57] "Uh, okay. What does that do?" And he goes, "Well, you know, it spins the blood. It tells me all the stuff. It puts it back in. Uh, you know, and I'm like,"Well, what about the stem cell?" [14:08] And he goes, "Well, that works, but we're just not allowed to do it." Um, so it's you're restricted here. [14:16] If this episode has been valuable for you in any way, please leave a review or [14:24] a comment. It will really help more people to find reliable researchbased information in a space full of noise. [14:33] So your orthopedic doctor actually is open-minded about stem cells. [14:38] My orthopedic doctor is because I think every orthopedic doctor that does I think every doctor that does PRP understands it. [14:45] Yes. [14:46] I think every doctor that does the the the stem cell from your own body understands it. Um, clearly it's just not allowed here in the United States. [14:55] But I have many people who actually they consider stem cell treatment for their joint issue themselves. Then once they [15:04] ask their doctors, then their doctors would tell them, "Oh, it's not proven. It may cause cancer." [15:11] Well, of course. Of course they're going to tell you that. Again, do your research. Uh to me it's [15:17] that's one that's one opinion and and and and we're based off opinions and I respect every opinion. That doesn't mean [15:26] it's the right one. And that's why I continue to to to say look just educate yourself, look into it. Um understand [15:34] the science of it and if you don't continue to ask questions and don't just take it from one person. I mean um [15:41] diversify your portfolio just like when you don't put in your money all in one nest you have to diversify it diversify [15:49] what also goes up here so you become more knowledgeable and I think the power of not just [15:56] uh talking is the the power is listening the power is being able to make

your own decisions and and understand it there's [16:04] a reason why at least in my sport when someone would let's say hurt their shoulder or hurt their elbow or hurt [16:11] their knee, they go in for a second opinion. They do. And maybe there's another option. And um I was fortunate [16:19] years ago to go into a second opinion when um I was playing in Japan. They flew me to the United States and I was [16:27] my knee was killing me. I wish I would have met you back then. Was that the same knee? The left knee? No, this was the right knee. The right knee. [16:34] Um and my knee was killing me. And the doctor's like, "Oh, that's patella." And that's a tough surgery. And then I had another MRI and the other doctor's like, [16:46] "That's not patella. That's not a patella uh situation. Your patella is intact. This is what we have to do with this surgery." And they did it and I was [16:53] able to go back on the field five months later and be able to play. [16:59] So, it's the second opinions are are important. And I understand sometimes people have their doctors that they [17:06] trust or their orthopedic doctors that they trust and um or even family doctors, but if you hear something, [17:12] don't you want a second opinion? Um for me, if it's something that you're like, [17:16] is there another option? Is there another avenue? And um I was fortunate that the people that actually [17:24] recommended the stem cell therapy doctor when I had it here in the United States before I met you were my parents. [17:33] Um, and my parents who right now I'm 56, [17:36] they're 82. Think about it. They were open-minded. And I'm like, if they're open-minded, I have to be open-minded. [17:42] Okay. What do we And it was that therapy was working for my mother. But then again, when she was doing it, her cells were 70some years old. [17:50] Yeah. [17:51] Um, so um you'll you'll be visiting you you'll be you'll be getting a visit from my mother. [18:00] Okay. Okay. And does she want to go to Colombia or she Well, she's not afraid to travel, so that's a that's a good thing. So, we'll [18:08] we'll find out how we'll be able to to get her to Colombia, but um but uh I I'll end up having conversations with her. [18:15] Okay. So, uh mentioning your father, your father is the Hall of Fame player. Yes. In baseball. [18:23] Yeah. My father's Tony Perez. He played in the the major leagues for 23 years. [18:27] He's in the Hall of Fame. He's from Cuba. Uh he left Cuba before before everything else [18:35] um went arry up there. But um he had a unbelievable successful career. And my [18:42] father played those 23 years without being um put on the then what they call the [18:49] disabled list. He never missed games because he was hurt. He would play hurt. [18:54] He they would drain his knee the entire time. He ended up having knee surgery after he retired. Uh they would drain liquid out of the knee. Um you know, [19:04] generation after generation, you just put a lot of abuse

into your body. And my father, you know, knew at that time [19:11] the rules were stay out of the training rooms. You know, that's you know, you can't make the team out of the tub and and um you just have to sacrifice. And a [19:20] lot of people from that generation sacrificed their bodies as I did now, as I did then, and as players do now. Um, [19:28] since he's had knee replacement, [19:31] uh, since he's uh, but you know, he doesn't take anything back because he had to do what he had to do. But, um, [19:38] he's another person that's very open to the medicine as well. He was the one that was like, you have to do the stem cell. You have to do the stem cell. [19:45] though. Uh, so I know they they're definitely open to to the modern science [19:52] in in their in their sense instead of less invasive. Um, and I think at the same time, you have to give your body a [20:00] chance to heal and why not give it a little help while you're at it. [20:05] So, does your father have a lot of other joint issues besides knees? [20:08] Believe it or not, he does not. He does not. He's uh he's it's just it was that one knee. I still think he might have to [20:16] do the other one, but I think it's with age. I think it's with age. And I think this is where you don't have to be an athlete to to have the umbilical cord [20:24] stem cell surgery, right? We've seen a lot of people that have aches and pains. We've seen a lot of people that have inflammation. And this is what this is where it plays. [20:32] Um the older you get, the slower you get. the older you get your joints, you know, and and that's why they tell you, [20:39] you know, you have to keep your muscles strong, but you have to keep your tissues strong. Cells, cells is the uh the ultimate in all of that. Again, [20:49] people have to do their research, continue to watch not only this podcast, [20:53] but other podcasts that you have done as well um to to educate oneself and to be able to make your own decision for your body. [21:02] So your father um he only had one knee replaced. [21:06] He had only one knee replaced. My mother's had a my mother who was not an athlete and who did not and has never [21:13] done one single exercise or sport ever. Um I don't even think I've seen her wear tennis shoes. I [21:22] need to see that. I have never seen that. um you know she's had not only her hip replaced, she's had two replacements also on both knee on on each knee. So, [21:34] you know, it's again, this is I'm not only just talking about the athletes here, right? That's my experience being an athlete, but also I've had I have [21:41] experience of seeing my mother who was not an athlete um go through a lot of uh the aches and pains that people go through. And you know, and so, you know, [21:53] she continues to have issues. If uh she continues to have open wounds right now with with uh with some sores that she [22:00] has in her left neck that we've had conversations with you as well, that stem cell therapy

could help as well there. Not only injecting it into your [22:09] into that area, not only doing it through IV, but also doing it through uh putting stem cells on a padding for [22:17] topping. Um I continue to to be in awe of the science and I think um uh not only you have educated on us but we've [22:26] also done our research and and and so far we've liked the results. [22:32] Okay. So then for active athletes right now like a lot of them also are concerned about doing this unproven [22:40] treatment whether it will affect their uh drug testing their performance because they just don't know because [22:48] they have doubts and even their team doctor may tell them oh it's not proven it's not proven I think I think the first thing people should do is [22:56] understand okay what are you going to put into your body professional athletes are told by the players association. [23:04] They're told by Major League Baseball. [23:06] Uh they get a list of the things that they cannot take. Uh they get a list also and if they have any doubts, they [23:14] can always call their trainers and find out okay what is it? Is it legal? Is it pure? Is it what you is it what the [23:21] label says? It's it's also trusting uh the doctor that is putting whatever they are putting into your system. [23:29] Unfortunately, I do believe there have been athletes, and I won't just say baseball players because that's my line [23:37] right there of work. Um, there have been athletes that have been lied to. So, [23:42] there there is a there is a trust to all of this as well. There's a trust uh factor to this. Now, [23:50] it's important to also know what is it that's going into what it's important to know what the process is. Where's it [23:59] coming from? Wait, this is coming from your own body, right? We take the blood out, you draw the blood out, you spin it, you take your you take, in my case, [24:08] my plasma, and you what you put into it is the umbilical cord stem cells. in in [24:15] this case and let's say it's my ankle or let's let's use the IV 100 million 100 million stem cells um that's put into [24:23] the IV but what goes direct into that joint in this case my ankle the 50 [24:30] million um it's there's nothing else but just my plasma and the stem cells right [24:38] and that's the part that and I would love Major League Baseball to you know in this case to um with the list is this [24:47] or is this not a performance enhancing drug keyword drug there's no drugs going [24:55] into this exactly that's not even right and I think that's the interesting part again if I'm an athlete if I'm a [25:04] baseball player today's world season my season ends I'm coming to see you right because I need to be able to [25:13] make sure that the inflammation is out of my body to let my body then restore to help the cells restore whatever aches [25:21] and pains I had in a certain area if it's through the IV or if it's a direct uh through a spot and then allow the [25:30] body to then heal and then start your workout regimen. If it's a month and a half after, if it's a month after, start your workouts. intensify the workout, [25:40] start the throwing program, start the hitting program, and then you go from there and you can start the season ready to go. This isn't a quick fix. And I think this is what people think. Okay, [25:50] this it it's not like a um like uh like if it's a, you know, an anti-inflammatory shot or a steroid shot [25:59] right to the joint that all of the sudden two days later you feel great because the inflammation is directly taken out. Yet, it's not good for the [26:07] tissue. This is actually good for the tissue, but you have to allow the tissue to rest. And that's why every sport from hockey, basketball, football, baseball, [26:18] the three of the four major sports in the US, that's why you have that time off to be able to let it heal. But how [26:25] about if you have a an accelerator uh to make sure that you understand and [26:32] it understands your body well and it's through stem cell therapy. [26:36] So would you also recommend people who uh athletes, active athlete, [26:42] professional athletes when they get injured during the season like if say go back 26 years or 30 years when you were [26:50] playing if you would have known of course back then we didn't have the technology. So if you knew back then if [26:59] you could do stem cells instead of doing so many surgeries I think that would be beneficial to you. [27:06] 100%. I mean, I wish because the the the joy of the athlete is to be able to play. It's to be able to participate. [27:14] It's to be able to compete. Now, I'll say this. Look, I you know, I I tore my I tore my my UCL and everything and and [27:24] I needed to have the surgery and sometimes you need to have the surgery. [27:28] I'm not saying that this would have taken any surgery out of the question, [27:33] but then you can also then allow it to heal by then doing the stem cell therapy after the surgery. And that way the [27:42] tissues now have a better opportunity of healing quicker, safer. Uh so it's not [27:49] that this is going to just all of a sudden replace surgeries. [27:55] It'll help you mitigate it. It'll help you maybe not have it because again, what causes all this? What causes pain? [28:02] It's inflammation that causes pain. Um, [28:05] what causes time for you to miss inflammation is is is the key here. So, [28:11] the stem cells help that. Um, the stem cells help rebuild that tissue. And for me, [28:19] I don't think I would have had 17 surgeries. Maybe I maybe I would have had just eight. Maybe I would have had just four. I I would have taken that, [28:27] right? And instead of all those uh instead of all the surgeries I've had at my age of 56, I retired and I remember [28:34] Mirabba telling me when you have your 10th, you're done. And I had my 10th and I listened to her uh because I wanted to [28:42] be able to play with my kids when they grew up. I

wanted to be able to still be functional uh at an at an advanced age. [28:48] I was I wanted to travel. I've been able to do all those things. But um the the key to all of this is how do you [28:57] maintain your body? What you put into your body where you put our fuel, right? [29:01] We eat well. We have to prepare well. Uh we do our weight training. Why not help your body out as well and do your [29:09] research as an athlete with this? And even if you're not an athlete, don't don't you care what you put into your body? [29:17] Because uh a good example is shoulder because if you didn't do the stem cell back then most likely you would have the [29:25] shoulder in uh shoulder surgery rotator cuff surgery 100%. See that's that's one of them and since fortunately I have not I've had [29:33] both shoulders scoped in the past when I was younger. I wish they would have done this when I was in college and I had my [29:40] first one and my first surgery is my right shoulder out of all. Um, I think this could have been an opportunity for [29:48] me to allow to heal. We've seen athletes in my case again in baseball where we hear, well, they did a PRP and I'm already at the beginning I was like, oh, [29:58] what is that? Before I even knew about stem cells, like wow, that's genius. No, this is genius. Um, this is genius. [30:08] Look, again, I think people have to go in and do their research. They have to understand it. athletes, they're always [30:16] looking for an edge. I think the edge is being the biggest edge is availability. [30:21] Availability to play every day is your biggest asset. Um, and there's a a phrase that I learned years ago that uh [30:30] your best ability is availability. Um, I think this allows you to be available [30:36] and also your recovery time from doing either PRP or PRP with stem cells [30:43] is much faster than going through surgery. [30:48] Tell me about it. The rehab that I I'm a I'm a professional uh physical therapy rehab guy. I know I have them all on [30:56] speed dial. All my therapists, I have them all on speed dial. If I call one up right now, they'll be like, "Hey, Eddie, [31:01] what happened?" Uh, so so they know. And um, look, it's I the one thing that I [31:09] really have enjoyed from getting injured is my relationships that I've had with people that I wouldn't have met if it wasn't for the injuries. But look, I I [31:17] don't wish the therapy all the time on on people. It's maintenance. You got to you got to do maintenance. You got to do maintenance on your body. Uh we hear [31:25] every time people talk about um oh I'm going I'm going on a diet or I'm I'm too heavy or whatever it may be. Uh you you [31:34] have to care what you put into your body. Um and that's not just through your mouth. Um it's it's a being able to [31:42] to allow the body to heal um and to do it the right way in a quicker way um so you can be out there and be functional again. [31:52] Yes. So um and also for some s uh for some injuries for example if you have a [31:59] Achilles tendon rupture or ACL tear then sometimes you do need to have surgery. [32:06] However I did have my ACL tear in one of my knee and I never did the surgery. I just did the stem cells. You did? [32:14] No kidding. Yeah, but because I'm not a professional athlete, so I don't need to perform in the speed of running or [32:22] anything like that. So, I can live by without the surgery. [32:25] And I understand that because again, I would have had to have gone back to have my left knee operated again. And I I was [32:33] like, something's wrong here. And when you put in the stem cells there and I was like optimistic, I was like, I hope [32:41] this works. Um, I was like, "Wait a second. What's going on here?" It was the first couple weeks still sore. Then [32:50] little by little it tapered off to the point where I'm like not even thinking about it anymore. [32:57] I just, you know, people just, one takes it for granted, right? Oh, my knees are great. Great. But when it's not, um, [33:07] don't you want it to feel right? And for me, that was that was an important thing. And um I needed to give it a shot [33:14] because to be honest with you, I'm already tired of going under the knife again and again and again. [33:20] Yeah. And every time you go under the surgery, you actually create more uh scar tissues in the joint and then that [33:27] will create more inflammation down the road even though after the surgery, [33:31] right? And and this is this is the thing. Um and I love my I love my orthopedic surgeons and everything [33:39] because I've got to know them really well, right? there are another uh group that's on speed dial and they explain it to you if if it's um in the case of your [33:48] knee if it's a meniscal tear or something like that. Look, the meniscal when it comes off the wall and everything and you see it when it comes [33:57] off the bone like that and it gets stuck so you can't like move it back and forth and and that's when and what causes that [34:06] for it to get stuck? Inflammation. It causes inflammation. So, um, it's not going to take the meniscus, the tear. It's not going to take it out of there, [34:14] but what it will do, it'll minimize the inflammation. Yes. [34:17] So, you don't have that pain. Um, wear and tear in our bodies at 56, whoever's out there at 56 is going to have it. [34:25] Um, [34:26] doesn't matter if you're an athlete or not. It's okay. How do how do we maintain? How do we keep our frame strong? Yes, we have to lift weights. [34:35] Yes, we have to walk. Um, and yes, we have to be able to eat well is right to keep our frame from doing all that [34:42] stuff. But at the same time, you also and and look into it. That's all I'm saying is look into it to see how else [34:50] can you can enjoy um life and not be sore and not be inflamed. Um, stem cell [34:59] therapy does that. Yes, it would be great if majority of the active players they would use stem cell treatment [35:07] regularly say once a year or twice a year then I think all of them will be able to perform better with less injuries too. Uh absolutely, absolutely. [35:18] Guys that are training right now, [35:19] they're throwing right now, getting amped up for spring training that's coming uh coming in right now. I think [35:26] again, I would have I would have wanted to do this treatment. I would have done the IV if if I felt good after the [35:33] season and okay, how do I now get my body right and get it prepped for the [35:40] next season? I'm going to take some time off with the family. But before I do that, I'm going to I'm I'm going to go [35:47] see Dr. Ye. In my case, in my case personally, I would have taken the hund million stem cells. And maybe it could have been a little bit, you know, more. [35:57] I I have no idea. Depends on the person. Depends on depending on the weight. [36:00] Depending on the weight, how much inflammation you have. [36:03] Exactly. And it all depends on that person. Every individual is different. And I know you'll analyze that as well. [36:10] And then go from there. That's for you to decide for that player uh to be ready to then start their workouts. If they [36:18] have an acute pain, if it's in their elbow or in their shoulders, then you'll go straight to that joint as well as the uh the IV treatment. So, it all depends. [36:28] Each individual, if if I'm not mistaken, [36:31] and I don't want to speak for you on this, would be a lot different. I can only speak from my experience. And um [36:38] from my experience, uh it works. It works because season ends if you don't make the postseason October 1st. Now you have the entire month of October, [36:48] November. Uh you can have that off and then you can start your workouts, start your regimen and then amp it up ready to [36:57] go for the season for the spring training season that starts in February, [37:02] midFebruary and the regular season starts beginning of April, late March. I mean and then the cycle continues. you [37:09] do it all again, you know, during uh and you allow your body to heal and rest and repeat. Uh uh to me, it's it would be a no-brainer. Unfortunately, [37:21] I'm not 22 anymore. I'm not 26 anymore. [37:24] I'm not 30 anymore. I'm 56. So, I can't get back in uniform and play. But man, I wish I would have had it back then. [37:32] I know. That will be give you a super boost 100%. [37:37] Yeah. So, um, very nice having the conversation with you today about how stem cells can help professional [37:45] athletes. And we're going to talk more about what they need to do to really tone up your body with the stem cell [37:53] help, but also need to incorporate other things in the next episode. All right, let's do it.