บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ A Conversation with Kelly Clarkson _ Neil deGrasse Tyson

would use is curiosity. 77 00:03:31.129 --> 00:03:31.849 Yeah. 78 00:03:32.750 --> 00:03:34.580 Without that, you can't be a scientist. 79 00:03:34.990 --> 00:03:38.400 Yeah, no, I agree. I think that's the fascinating thing 80 00:03:38.469 --> 00:03:41.069 to outsiders like us that look at people like you. 81 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.280 Because we're curious, but we're constantly in that state, and 82 00:03:44.300 --> 00:03:45.349 you're actually figuring it out. 83 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:48.879 Oh, yeah. We're curious, and we go figure it out. 84 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:51.379 And I'm like, man, I'm glad you figured it out. 85 00:03:51.419 --> 00:03:53.060 I was just sitting over here being curious. 86 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:56.280 It reminded me, I was giving a lecture one time, 87 00:03:56.340 --> 00:03:58.560 and someone... Things I'll never say. 88 00:03:58.580 --> 00:04:01.330 Oh, no. You know, this one time I was giving 89 00:04:01.370 --> 00:04:02.069 a lecture. 90 00:04:02.849 --> 00:04:07.219 That's amazing. But in that sense, we do share a space, 91 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:10.639 because I give lectures in theaters. And I feel like 92 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:14.620 the theater stage is sort of sanctified by the artists 93 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:18.220 who have come before me. And I feel the artistic 94 00:04:18.259 --> 00:04:21.980 energy there. It's interesting. So I was there, and I 95 00:04:22.019 --> 00:04:27.720 mentioned something about the universe. And someone asked, so where 96 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.209 did you get that information? It was great. I don't 97 00:04:30.230 --> 00:04:32.290 mind that. And they said, where did you look up 98 00:04:32.329 --> 00:04:35.329 that information? I said, I calculated it. 99 00:04:36.069 --> 00:04:36.689 Oh, my gosh. 100 00:04:36.730 --> 00:04:41.009 Right, right. And people think that, like, a wiki page is, like, 101 00:04:41.069 --> 00:04:43.920 handed down from God on a tablet, right? 102 00:04:43.939 --> 00:04:45.959 And I say, no, I'm— Your awe is behind the curtain. 103 00:04:47.139 --> 00:04:50.879 I'm the class of people who write wiki pages. That's 104 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:51.939 what we do, right? 105 00:04:51.980 --> 00:04:53.459 Wow, things I'll never say again, yeah. 106 00:04:53.870 --> 00:04:54.110 Uh-uh. 107 00:04:55.350 --> 00:04:57.430 Somebody got mine wrong. I was Catholic for quite a 108 00:04:57.430 --> 00:04:57.910 long time. 109 00:04:57.930 --> 00:04:59.769 Yeah, yeah. It's not always right. 110 00:04:59.850 --> 00:05:00.170 Yeah. 111 00:05:00.629 --> 00:05:04.100 Often wrong. So you've got kids of your own. Are 112 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:08.740 you sort of channeling your mother's teacher energy and how you're? Definitely. Yeah. 113 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:11.100 I am exactly like my mother in a lot of ways. 114 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:15.759 Yes. in good ways. Often when people say that, you 115 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.579 turn into your mother. No, there are. 116 00:05:17.500 --> 00:05:19.819 Moments whenever I'm like disciplining my children and I'm like, 117 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:25.600 oh God, this is my mom. But no, I definitely, yeah, 118 00:05:25.620 --> 00:05:27.600 the education side of her. I definitely am in the 119 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.939 one in the household that the kids maybe don't like 120 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:33.750 as much because of that. I'm constantly making sure they're reading. 121 00:05:33.990 --> 00:05:35.069 That's a big thing because we have a lot of 122 00:05:35.089 --> 00:05:37.389 younger kids. Like, you know, so I think that that's 123 00:05:37.410 --> 00:05:37.990 where it starts. 124 00:05:38.689 --> 00:05:41.970 And because one thing I didn't know or appreciate until 125 00:05:42.050 --> 00:05:45.329 I had kids, and surely you see this, that kids are, 126 00:05:45.889 --> 00:05:50.720 children are so curious that their curiosity can actually kill 127 00:05:50.779 --> 00:05:52.360 them if you don't intervene. 128 00:05:52.949 --> 00:05:55.430 Oh, my God. Even reading a simple book, like we 129 00:05:55.449 --> 00:05:57.240 were reading a book last night, My Daughter and I, 130 00:05:57.529 --> 00:06:00.779 Princesses Wear Pants. And literally, she stops on every page 131 00:06:00.819 --> 00:06:03.139 and questions every bit of everything. And I'm like, we're 132 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:08.060 losing the story. You're focusing on all the things that 133 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:09.319 aren't really the point of the story. 134 00:06:09.339 --> 00:06:10.620 The world is so alive to her. 135 00:06:10.699 --> 00:06:13.550 Yes, but everything is new. So sometimes it is nice 136 00:06:13.569 --> 00:06:16.949 to slow down. Um, but, but also you do have 137 00:06:16.990 --> 00:06:20.110 to intervene to be like, yes, but don't interrupt every time. 138 00:06:20.170 --> 00:06:23.730 Cause that's rude. So let's finish the story. Then we'll discuss. Okay. 139 00:06:23.829 --> 00:06:27.620 All right. So this is the lesson plan teacher in 140 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.040 the front of the room. Save your questions for the end. 141 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.100 I was the nerd at the front of the room. Well, I, 142 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.939 I think too, because I knew I would talk if 143 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.240 I didn't. So if they had to look at me 144 00:06:38.259 --> 00:06:39.259 and then I felt bad, so I'd. 145 00:06:39.180 --> 00:06:41.709 Have to be quiet. What were your favorite subjects in school? 146 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:47.560 I loved literature just cause I love reading. And I loved, 147 00:06:47.569 --> 00:06:51.060 I don't know. I loved, I was a, athlete. I 148 00:06:51.220 --> 00:06:53.319 loved drama. I loved all the electives, you know, like 149 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:55.180 choir and stuff like that. And, um, I loved history. 150 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:57.079 All the stuff that does not accrue to your GPA. 151 00:06:57.259 --> 00:06:57.990 I loved

history. 152 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:02.230 Yeah. No, I'm definitely the, like that part of my brain. Um, 153 00:07:02.269 --> 00:07:04.230 but I did like, I didn't like history because you 154 00:07:04.250 --> 00:07:06.310 had to memorize all the dates. Cause I just liked 155 00:07:06.370 --> 00:07:08.750 focusing on the point of it. Like I liked focusing 156 00:07:08.810 --> 00:07:11.189 on the, not repeating it, but learning it. But the 157 00:07:11.250 --> 00:07:13.300 dates were always like, I wasn't ever good with date. 158 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:14.560 I've never been good with numbers. 159 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:17.459 So I, nor I with regard to dates, but I, 160 00:07:17.500 --> 00:07:22.240 I remember relationships or, or, So I remember, for example, 161 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:28.670 that Shakespeare was around with Queen Elizabeth I. And they 162 00:07:28.970 --> 00:07:31.970 were around at the same time as Galileo. He's figuring 163 00:07:32.009 --> 00:07:32.680 out the universe. 164 00:07:33.220 --> 00:07:34.160 I didn't put that together. 165 00:07:34.180 --> 00:07:37.319 That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Nor did I ever read that. 166 00:07:37.379 --> 00:07:40.360 I'm looking, wait a minute. I'm looking at the two things. 167 00:07:40.500 --> 00:07:40.779 Yeah. 168 00:07:40.819 --> 00:07:42.720 And so once I did that, then that put it 169 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.990 all in context for me. Of course, they're in different countries. 170 00:07:46.329 --> 00:07:48.470 There's England and there's Italy. Yes, obviously. But it's a 171 00:07:48.509 --> 00:07:50.569 way to help me navigate events and times. 172 00:07:50.589 --> 00:07:51.689 Yeah, like what all was happening. 173 00:07:51.910 --> 00:07:52.350 Exactly. 174 00:07:52.389 --> 00:07:55.350 That's interesting because I would have thought Galileo was older. 175 00:07:55.509 --> 00:07:56.649 I would have thought it was different. 176 00:07:56.949 --> 00:08:00.689 Way long ago. In fact, there's books. They're called Timelines 177 00:08:00.740 --> 00:08:01.240 of History. 178 00:08:01.579 --> 00:08:01.779 Yeah. 179 00:08:01.819 --> 00:08:04.680 Where- It's just timelines. It's a timeline. 180 00:08:04.939 --> 00:08:07.139 It's like a Cliff Notes for timelines. 181 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.939 Watch what it does. So the first row is like, 182 00:08:10.100 --> 00:08:17.560 so across the bottom is time. It's technology, politics, wars, discoveries, inventions. 183 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:19.759 And then you could do a vertical slice through it 184 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.160 and see what everybody was doing across the world in 185 00:08:23.180 --> 00:08:25.060 that one slice. Wait, what is this book? It's great. 186 00:08:25.100 --> 00:08:26.720 It's called Timelines of History. 187 00:08:27.189 --> 00:08:28.689 Okay, I would totally be into that. 188 00:08:28.870 --> 00:08:30.709 Yeah, yeah, so just check that out if you like reading. 189 00:08:30.930 --> 00:08:31.079 I do. 190 00:08:31.089 --> 00:08:33.970 Plus, you like reading and you like language and words. 191 00:08:33.990 --> 00:08:36.269 I love learning. And you wrote two children's books. 192 00:08:36.570 --> 00:08:41.129 Yes, which was very different from writing songs. It is. 193 00:08:41.250 --> 00:08:42.629 What, was it before you had kids or after? 194 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:43.970 It was after I had kids. 195 00:08:44.029 --> 00:08:44.769 After you had kids. 196 00:08:44.850 --> 00:08:47.570 Well, because I literally just started writing them for my daughter, really, 197 00:08:47.629 --> 00:08:49.509 just to kind of, because I knew she wouldn't remember 198 00:08:49.529 --> 00:08:51.840 all these amazing places she's going. And I thought if 199 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:54.340 I put the pictures with these little stories, when she 200 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.500 started learning to read, it could be her, her little story. 201 00:08:56.950 --> 00:08:59.389 And then my husband and my nanny were like, you 202 00:08:59.409 --> 00:09:00.950 should make these into children's books. And I was like, 203 00:09:01.009 --> 00:09:04.179 don't worry. And then I thought it was going to 204 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:05.679 be very easy, and it was not. 205 00:09:05.700 --> 00:09:06.919 You're publishing a whole other thing. 206 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.460 Because the meter in which you write is completely different 207 00:09:09.500 --> 00:09:13.279 than how you write for songs and how kids take 208 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:15.519 it in. And how you have to almost play with 209 00:09:15.539 --> 00:09:18.299 the words and how the meter has to be just 210 00:09:18.350 --> 00:09:20.690 kind of very perfect. And people go to school for that. 211 00:09:21.269 --> 00:09:23.309 So my editor was very helpful. 212 00:09:24.009 --> 00:09:26.490 Yeah, that's what I found, I think, You can write 213 00:09:26.509 --> 00:09:28.509 a sentence, but to write a better sentence, you should 214 00:09:28.529 --> 00:09:31.029 be thinking about the rhythm of it and. 215 00:09:30.909 --> 00:09:33.570 The juxtaposition of words on the page. 216 00:09:33.629 --> 00:09:36.690 And does this word work following this word? And how 217 00:09:36.730 --> 00:09:38.970 long did you drag someone in that sentence before you 218 00:09:38.990 --> 00:09:40.240 should stop? 219 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:40.980 Are they bored? 220 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:43.500 Are they bored? Right, right, right, right. And the difference 221 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:47.679 between great writing and just writing is everything there. Now, 222 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:50.919 that's got me thinking. I can read a poem on 223 00:09:50.940 --> 00:09:57.309 a page or rhyme, and it'll mean something. informationally to 224 00:09:57.330 --> 00:10:00.820 me perhaps, but if I hear you sing it, there's 225 00:10:00.860 --> 00:10:07.700 a whole other conduit of communication going on. And are you, 226 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.220 you must be

self-aware of that, and you can go 227 00:10:11.299 --> 00:10:15.909 in there and you can manipulate it. How are you, 228 00:10:17.409 --> 00:10:18.629 how do you grok that? 229 00:10:19.929 --> 00:10:22.389 You know, I think it's, I don't even think about it. 230 00:10:22.389 --> 00:10:25.250 I think I'm just so, I've always been touched by 231 00:10:25.289 --> 00:10:27.700 music even before I knew I could sing. I loved dancing. 232 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:30.360 I loved music. It was a safe place for me. 233 00:10:30.419 --> 00:10:33.139 It was like a, it was just a, it was 234 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:35.580 a whole different kind of learning, you know, just with 235 00:10:35.620 --> 00:10:40.159 people's lives, whether it was, you know, rock, rap, pop, 236 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:43.100 like country, whatever you were listening to. It's, you know, 237 00:10:43.139 --> 00:10:45.519 the music is a very good indication of the time 238 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.789 in that timeline that you're referring to. Music, if you 239 00:10:48.809 --> 00:10:51.190 look at it, it always follows it because we're obviously, 240 00:10:51.230 --> 00:10:54.169 artists are affected by art, you know, nature and nurture 241 00:10:54.210 --> 00:10:56.450 a bit. So, yeah, it's, I don't know. 242 00:10:56.470 --> 00:10:58.740 What's your goal? You know you can reach people emotionally, 243 00:10:59.419 --> 00:11:01.899 but you also would have the capacity in a song, 244 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.240 because a song is a story, to reach people informationally. 245 00:11:05.259 --> 00:11:06.379 Yeah, I mean, you want to be. 246 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:07.639 So what's your balance? What's your balance? 247 00:11:07.659 --> 00:11:09.580 I like to be a, you know, throw a bit of, 248 00:11:09.580 --> 00:11:11.830 you know, be a bit poetic, but at the same time, 249 00:11:12.309 --> 00:11:16.149 keep the story simple enough to where people aren't focused 250 00:11:16.309 --> 00:11:19.269 on the words of the story, it's more focused on 251 00:11:19.289 --> 00:11:23.149 the feeling of the story. It's more focused on how 252 00:11:23.169 --> 00:11:25.149 that made me feel and how that, because I'm more 253 00:11:25.169 --> 00:11:26.179 of an emotional person. 254 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:27.679 Because otherwise, just go out and read a damn book. 255 00:11:28.019 --> 00:11:28.679 Yeah, I mean. 256 00:11:28.700 --> 00:11:30.580 If you want words, too many words, all right. 257 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:32.720 Yeah, and it's, I don't know, I've always been the 258 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:35.259 one to focus more on, like, I always feel like, okay, 259 00:11:35.379 --> 00:11:36.740 I know I talk about Meryl Streep a lot, but 260 00:11:37.100 --> 00:11:37.799 my point in her. 261 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:38.610 Not yet on this show. 262 00:11:38.629 --> 00:11:39.870 I know, but I'm just saying, I do talk about 263 00:11:39.889 --> 00:11:41.629 her a lot, but here's my point, and I've never 264

00:11:41.669 --> 00:11:42.070 said this. 265 00:11:41.990 --> 00:11:44.750 Before, but it's like, And I love me some Meryl Streep. 266 00:11:45.049 --> 00:11:47.899 But I feel like she's one of those people It 267 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:52.889 could be a silent movie, and she would effortlessly, flawlessly 268 00:11:53.710 --> 00:11:58.129 dictate by her emotions, her eyes, just her, every part 269 00:11:58.149 --> 00:12:00.629 of her. You would know exactly what she's saying without 270 00:12:00.649 --> 00:12:02.649 her saying anything through the entire movie. I think she 271 00:12:02.669 --> 00:12:05.690 would have been like the most fantastic silent actress as well. 272 00:12:06.889 --> 00:12:09.809 she's got that art to her whole like physical body, 273 00:12:09.889 --> 00:12:12.669 her emotional state in her eyes, like in her mouth 274 00:12:12.730 --> 00:12:14.899 and her, you know, all of that, whether it's Miranda 275 00:12:14.940 --> 00:12:16.639 Priestly or whatever character she's playing. 276 00:12:16.659 --> 00:12:19.120 From The Devil Wears Prada. 277 00:12:19.220 --> 00:12:20.720 Yes. Or if it's out of Africa or some of 278 00:12:20.740 --> 00:12:23.000 his stories, like whatever those are, she does so much. 279 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.539 And I think that as a singer too, like that's 280 00:12:25.570 --> 00:12:28.730 what I try to do. Like with songs, I try 281 00:12:28.769 --> 00:12:32.059 to like, you know, Whatever the words are, I could 282 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:33.779 be not saying words at all and just singing a melody, 283 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:36.340 but by my intensity or by. 284 00:12:36.700 --> 00:12:37.990 The modulation of that intensity? 285 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.710 By my emotion, yeah. You could almost tell the story 286 00:12:40.750 --> 00:12:43.750 I'm saying without even there being words. So that's my goal. 287 00:12:44.230 --> 00:12:44.570 That's beautiful. 288 00:12:44.590 --> 00:12:45.690 Not that I achieved that. 289 00:12:45.990 --> 00:12:49.470 But Meryl does. Meryl does. 290 00:12:49.509 --> 00:12:50.669 Meryl does, but. 291 00:12:51.250 --> 00:12:56.559 No, that's beautiful. I think not enough people know that 292 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:58.440 or feel that or understand that. 293 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.019 Yeah, it's almost like you want everything, because if you 294 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.279 have everything, if you focus on that, and then you 295 00:13:03.299 --> 00:13:07.200 put amazing words to it, and then you put amazing 296 00:13:07.500 --> 00:13:10.980 set behind that, it becomes this amazing show that people, 297 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.039 you want all those things to be firing on all cylinders. 298 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.720 Can I tell you something about you that you might 299 00:13:17.779 --> 00:13:23.179 take for granted? What? Can I tell you several? No, 300 00:13:23.220 --> 00:13:25.519 it was just a quick thing that happened to me 301 00:13:25.539 --> 00:13:30.659 that leaves me wondering whether It is a state of 302 00:13:30.740 --> 00:13:33.700 existence for you rather than just a thing that would happen. 303 00:13:34.179 --> 00:13:36.840 So I was, not to get morbid on you, but 304 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.000 I was eyewitness on September 11th because I lived very 305 00:13:40.019 --> 00:13:42.950 close to the collapse. And I was there at my window, 306 00:13:43.009 --> 00:13:46.830 the buildings collapsed, people jumped. I mean, it was, and 307 00:13:47.149 --> 00:13:52.610 I'm a pretty stoic guy. And after those days and 308 00:13:52.769 --> 00:13:59.759 just that event, I was, my rational brain was no 309 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:00.980 longer operating. 310 00:14:01.220 --> 00:14:01.500 Yeah. 311 00:14:01.899 --> 00:14:03.759 And I was just feeling everything. 312 00:14:03.899 --> 00:14:06.179 Yeah, and you almost didn't know where to put it. 313 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:08.629 It was spilling out of me. And I would see 314 00:14:08.730 --> 00:14:13.730 someone slightly sad in their face, and I was like, 315 00:14:14.090 --> 00:14:16.649 oh my gosh, can I bring them flowers? Can I, 316 00:14:17.110 --> 00:14:20.289 what can I do? And I'm just wondering, you as 317 00:14:20.330 --> 00:14:20.870 an artist. 318 00:14:20.909 --> 00:14:21.990 That makes you a great human. 319 00:14:22.149 --> 00:14:24.909 Well, I judge, by the way, and my writing over 320 00:14:24.950 --> 00:14:26.370 that time was better, I think. 321 00:14:26.690 --> 00:14:26.850 Yeah. 322 00:14:27.090 --> 00:14:29.669 And then as time went on and I began to 323 00:14:29.750 --> 00:14:32.529 lose it, the writing kind of went back to what 324 00:14:32.549 --> 00:14:34.450 it used to be. And I'm just wondering, was that 325 00:14:34.509 --> 00:14:38.080 moment that I experienced something that you live as an artist? 326 00:14:38.940 --> 00:14:40.460 Is that a fair question? Yes. 327 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:47.059 And I think that we, I think artists of all kinds, painters, sculptors, writers, singers, whoever, 328 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.200 I think we all go in and out of that. 329 00:14:50.620 --> 00:14:51.559 Capital A artist. 330 00:14:51.580 --> 00:14:52.759 Capital A artist. 331 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:55.620 But I think we all go through that. And what 332 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:59.320 you do with... you know, as an astrophysicist is, is almost, 333 00:14:59.509 --> 00:15:01.340 that's an art, like it's a form of art, like 334 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:03.440 that I don't get, but it is for you. So 335 00:15:03.460 --> 00:15:06.840 I think anytime you're, we always have moments where we're 336 00:15:06.899 --> 00:15:08.759 really deep in it. And then we have moments where 337 00:15:09.379 --> 00:15:11.610 we love it, but it, for some reason it's not 338 00:15:11.649 --> 00:15:13.850 affecting us as it normally does. You know, I think 339 00:15:13.870 --> 00:15:17.129 we always have those like tug of war, like rollercoaster things, but,

340 00:15:17.529 --> 00:15:20.169 and the bad thing about it is, um, I think 341 00:15:20.210 --> 00:15:22.200 it was Sting. I heard Sting do an interview one 342 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:25.129 time and he was saying, you know, it's, it's sometimes 343 00:15:25.190 --> 00:15:28.029 it's horrible writing a record because it's the most miserable time. 344 00:15:28.110 --> 00:15:31.230 Like it's the most, you know, draining period because you're, 345 00:15:31.490 --> 00:15:34.450 you're wanting to be a vessel for all these messages 346 00:15:34.490 --> 00:15:36.210 and you want to do the best you can, but it's, 347 00:15:36.529 --> 00:15:38.269 you know, an actor say that a lot, they get so, 348 00:15:38.529 --> 00:15:40.190 you know, they delve into these characters and they get 349 00:15:40.269 --> 00:15:44.460 lost in it. And, um, it's a, it's a catch 22. 350 00:15:44.450 --> 00:15:45.889 You want to do that, but at the same time, 351 00:15:45.909 --> 00:15:47.740 you don't want to get so far gone that you 352 00:15:47.750 --> 00:15:51.480 can't even help yourself, you know? So, um, But, I mean, 353 00:15:51.500 --> 00:15:52.799 I don't know. I go in and out of that. 354 00:15:52.940 --> 00:15:56.299 But I will say, every time I perform, even if 355 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.320 I'm sad or tired or, you know, just exhausted or 356 00:16:00.379 --> 00:16:03.720 overwhelmed or whatever, I still am incapable of not going in. 357 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.340 I still, when I perform, I'm always in the moment. Like, 358 00:16:07.379 --> 00:16:11.679 especially since becoming a mother. It's just like emotions times 100. Yeah. 359 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.320 So I'm just saying that was my one moment where 360 00:16:15.340 --> 00:16:16.500 I said, oh, my God. But you know what it is? 361 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:18.250 Because it cuts you down to, like, your core to 362 00:16:18.259 --> 00:16:19.399 where you're just so vulnerable. 363 00:16:19.539 --> 00:16:19.730 Yeah. 364 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.379 Yeah. And it's a beautiful thing to be vulnerable, but 365 00:16:22.419 --> 00:16:23.220 it's exhausting. 366 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:28.460 Yeah, that's a good word. I felt vulnerable, which was 367 00:16:28.700 --> 00:16:30.870 odd just as a scientist. I'm usually, yeah, this is 368 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:32.330 how that works, and I know how that works, and 369 00:16:32.370 --> 00:16:35.409 I got this, I got that. But that's unexplainable. Yeah, 370 00:16:35.529 --> 00:16:39.190 I was hit by that. So when you're singing or 371 00:16:39.809 --> 00:16:43.450 when you're writing or when you're choosing a song, are 372 00:16:43.509 --> 00:16:47.320 you thinking, okay, this will get them this way? in 373 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:48.019 this emotion. 374 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:50.840 And this will, I got to me, I'm more selfish. Oh, 375 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:52.899 I know. I'm more selfish about it. It's not only 376 00:16:52.940 --> 00:16:55.230 about the listener. It's more about what, cause I find 377 00:16:55.250 --> 00:16:57.000 that I'm a very normal human being. 378 00:16:57.019 --> 00:16:57.970 Like I won't be the judge of that. 379 00:16:58.049 --> 00:17:00.730 Well, I live a very low key life in Tennessee. 380 00:17:00.769 --> 00:17:02.409 Like I'm not like, I don't have like a normal 381 00:17:02.470 --> 00:17:05.450 pop star life. So, um, I don't know. I find 382 00:17:05.470 --> 00:17:08.569 that I'm very similar to people. I'm not like unique 383 00:17:08.630 --> 00:17:11.099 in a lot of ways. So like, if I'm, if 384 00:17:11.150 --> 00:17:12.890 I'm listening to a song and I'm touched by it, 385 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.059 I feel like if I am, then other people will be, 386 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.640 you know? So it's more or less like, um, it's my, 387 00:17:18.700 --> 00:17:21.619 it's my favorite thing that my old record label would do. They'd, 388 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:24.319 you know, send songs and it's like kind of a 389 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:26.619 song and they're like, Oh, but you, you would sing 390 00:17:26.660 --> 00:17:28.819 it so well. And I'm like, well, I'm not concerned 391 00:17:28.859 --> 00:17:32.190 about that part. I'm concerned that it's not a good song. Like, 392 00:17:32.450 --> 00:17:33.930 but it's like one of those things when you, I 393 00:17:33.950 --> 00:17:35.950 want to be moved by it. I want to be 394 00:17:35.970 --> 00:17:39.240 the vessel for something powerful and, and, And a moment, 395 00:17:39.380 --> 00:17:40.779 you know, you only get so many records. 396 00:17:40.819 --> 00:17:44.000 So you have certain freedoms now at Atlantic Records for that. 397 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:45.740 Well, like all freedoms, but yes. 398 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:48.470 People don't, you know, the average person on the street 399 00:17:48.490 --> 00:17:49.529 doesn't think about it. They don't get it. Yeah, they 400 00:17:49.549 --> 00:17:50.849 don't think about it. They don't, just give me your 401 00:17:50.869 --> 00:17:52.970 song and I'm not going to, you know, I don't 402 00:17:52.990 --> 00:17:55.849 care who publishes it. So The Meaning of Life is 403 00:17:55.869 --> 00:17:57.349 your eighth album. 404 00:17:57.410 --> 00:17:57.730 Yes. 405 00:17:58.650 --> 00:18:00.700 And now, forgive me, I haven't heard all your albums. 406 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:01.960 But I heard this one. 407 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:02.839 I'm so offended. 408 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:04.839 But I've listened. 409 00:18:04.900 --> 00:18:05.380 I'm leaving. 410 00:18:06.900 --> 00:18:07.960 I'm just kidding. I got you. 411 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:08.579 I'm just kidding. 412 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:13.000 But this one, I've heard the stuff that is charted 413 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:15.380 off of those albums. Of course, I've heard those. In 414 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:19.730 this album, there's a soulfulness to it. 415 00:18:19.730 --> 00:18:19.799 Yes. 416 00:18:19.910 -->

00:18:20.170 That. 417 00:18:22.349 --> 00:18:25.799 But it has sort of pop roots, bringing soul into it. 418 00:18:26.009 --> 00:18:29.190 And I'm old enough, I'm trying to ask myself, where 419 00:18:29.210 --> 00:18:32.690 would they have put this album in the stove piped 420 00:18:33.170 --> 00:18:36.029 categories in a record shop? And I don't think there's 421 00:18:36.049 --> 00:18:36.410 a spot. 422 00:18:36.970 --> 00:18:39.910 No, I mean, I guess pop, just because it's popular. 423 00:18:39.930 --> 00:18:47.089 No, no, there's too much soul, excuse me. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 424 00:18:47.230 --> 00:18:48.390 No, it is a more soulful pop. 425 00:18:48.609 --> 00:18:50.089 Well, it's funny though. I'll tell you why, because you sing, 426 00:18:50.210 --> 00:18:52.440 and I just have to stop what I'm doing. and 427 00:18:52.619 --> 00:18:55.809 just feel it. Whereas a pop song, you can keep cooking, 428 00:18:56.049 --> 00:18:59.450 and you shake to it, but you're not moved by it. 429 00:18:59.509 --> 00:19:00.569 Most of the time. 430 00:19:00.589 --> 00:19:03.609 Someone's moved by a pop song. That's why it's pop, 431 00:19:03.650 --> 00:19:08.380 because everybody likes it. It's popular. But if you're moved, 432 00:19:08.730 --> 00:19:11.529 that's another kind of... You know, you made it. 433 00:19:11.859 --> 00:19:13.539 You weaving, bobbing, weaving. 434 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:18.109 I'm just saying. You made it. No, it is. 435 00:19:18.250 --> 00:19:20.589 It is soulful pop. And I, it's definitely, there's definitely 436 00:19:20.609 --> 00:19:23.309 a difference when you listen to this album versus the 437 00:19:23.349 --> 00:19:27.130 other albums. I mean, one, you can just, I'm happy. Um, 438 00:19:27.390 --> 00:19:29.759 and it, and it creates a whole different, that happiness 439 00:19:30.130 --> 00:19:35.460 creates a whole domino effect of different sounds and tones and, and, and, 440 00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:38.079 and even the freedom that Atlantic has given me creates 441 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.910 a whole different vibe. Um, Because an artist in their 442 00:19:41.970 --> 00:19:44.660 form to where they're able to just go, okay, well, wait, 443 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:47.750 I can do whatever I want. Like, you know, it's 444 00:19:47.869 --> 00:19:49.779 scary because you're like, wait, it's all on me. 445 00:19:49.940 --> 00:19:52.079 Now you're accountable. This just doesn't sell. 446 00:19:53.140 --> 00:19:55.299 But luckily I love, I was telling my husband this, 447 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:57.299 like even before the album dropped, I was like, I've 448 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.779 literally been waiting so long to make this musical footprint 449 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:04.059 that like, even if it didn't do as well as 450 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.940 other things, I love, I love that. Like, I'm still 451 00:20:07.980 --> 00:20:09.400 happy at the end of the day for that, you know, 452 00:20:09.420 --> 00:20:11.559 cause I've been very blessed. I've had 15 great years 453 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:14.339 of success. And even if it were over me, like 454 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.940 I've had a phenomenal career and I'm very thankful, but 455 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.339 it is funny and ironic that 15 years into my career, 456 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:22.740 I make my favorite album. 457 00:20:23.940 --> 00:20:25.960 People think that everyone's first album is going to be 458 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:28.720 their best or their most significant. And if not, then 459 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:30.420 they don't sign you or they don't. But I mean, 460 00:20:30.460 --> 00:20:37.950 I think there's wisdom, there's Physical, intellectual, emotional maturity. There's life. 461 00:20:37.970 --> 00:20:40.990 My favorite Aretha records didn't come out until way into 462 00:20:41.009 --> 00:20:41.269 her career. 463 00:20:41.289 --> 00:20:44.299 Excuse me, on first name basis? Aretha Franklin? 464 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.619 No, my favorite ones, though, didn't come out until really 465 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:49.940 after she signed with Atlantic. 466 00:20:50.140 --> 00:20:50.900 Oh, really? Okay. 467 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:53.799 Yeah, so it was another reason why I loved just 468 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:55.259 the label and the nostalgia of it. 469 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:57.940 I loved her Amazing Grace double album. Oh, yeah. Okay, 470 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:01.670 who doesn't? Right, right. So do you think of your 471 00:21:01.710 --> 00:21:06.319 voice as in, instrument that needs cultivating and care. 472 00:21:06.500 --> 00:21:06.799 Yes. 473 00:21:07.579 --> 00:21:07.940 Okay. 474 00:21:08.140 --> 00:21:09.089 Yeah, no, I have to. 475 00:21:09.109 --> 00:21:11.690 The reason why I ask is we were in the 476 00:21:11.750 --> 00:21:16.549 green room before you performed in the YouTube space. And 477 00:21:17.130 --> 00:21:18.250 I love it that they call it space. 478 00:21:18.490 --> 00:21:19.430 Yeah, you would. 479 00:21:19.450 --> 00:21:22.170 YouTube space, yes. If you've got space in your name, 480 00:21:22.190 --> 00:21:24.710 I'm good with it. But before, you were like just 481 00:21:25.009 --> 00:21:27.019 yucking it up with everybody in the green room and 482 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.160 you just walk out there and then out comes this, 483 00:21:29.940 --> 00:21:34.119 how do you, Well, I warmed. 484 00:21:33.940 --> 00:21:38.000 Up earlier this morning. So I worked before. I've been 485 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:42.279 working since this morning. So I definitely aim to warm 486 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:44.660 up every day. It's just like a speaker, like a 487 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:48.119 public speaker. Your voice is a runner. Your voice is 488 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:50.299 a muscle. It's these little things that you have to 489 00:21:50.339 --> 00:21:53.839 keep trained. And I know some singers don't have to. 490 00:21:53.859 --> 00:21:57.059 I think

I've heard Jennifer... In an interview, Jennifer Hudson, 491 00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:57.900 she said that she didn't. 492 00:21:58.180 --> 00:21:59.440 You're only a first name, people. 493 00:21:59.539 --> 00:21:59.980 Oh, sorry. 494 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.660 I'm going to start name dropping first name. 495 00:22:01.700 --> 00:22:02.240 No, no, no. 496 00:22:02.349 --> 00:22:02.700 Okay. 497 00:22:02.740 --> 00:22:04.509 I'm saying it because I don't think she does. 498 00:22:04.529 --> 00:22:10.670 Stephen Hawking. Yeah, okay. Okay. All right. My turn. My turn. Okay. 499 00:22:10.730 --> 00:22:14.509 My turn. Yeah, you're in a different pool of people. 500 00:22:14.589 --> 00:22:17.250 I was reading Ike the other day. Isaac Newton. 501 00:22:17.269 --> 00:22:17.369 Yes. 502 00:22:17.450 --> 00:22:20.750 Okay. Jennifer Hudson. 503 00:22:20.829 --> 00:22:23.410 No, I'm saying she's a huge big vocalist. 504 00:22:23.430 --> 00:22:25.509 Another American Idol person. As well, yes. 505 00:22:25.930 --> 00:22:28.519 And she's a big vocalist, and she doesn't. She said 506 00:22:28.539 --> 00:22:30.380 in interviews, I found it shocking. She was like, I 507 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:32.740 don't warm up at all. It just happens. So I'm 508 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:35.900 not like that. I have to warm up a bit. 509 00:22:36.099 --> 00:22:37.900 I can do it. It's just not going to sound 510 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:38.279 as good. 511 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.190 Okay. Now, not to call you out, but you are 512 00:22:41.190 --> 00:22:44.349 15 years older than you were when you were an 513 00:22:44.430 --> 00:22:49.630 American Idol. So can you... Is the warmup the same? Oh, 514 00:22:49.670 --> 00:22:51.069 it's easier. Easier. 515 00:22:51.309 --> 00:22:53.329 Yeah, I think, you know what's funny? I saw Tony 516 00:22:53.390 --> 00:22:54.779 Bennett at this. 517 00:22:54.859 --> 00:22:58.000 Oh, another. Thank you. No, no, that's fine. Had both names. 518 00:22:58.460 --> 00:22:59.240 I saw Tony. 519 00:22:59.539 --> 00:23:02.880 No, I was saying I was at this event and 520 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:05.269 this was years ago and he sang and he was, 521 00:23:05.309 --> 00:23:07.569 you know, 80 something and I was like, I mean, 522 00:23:07.589 --> 00:23:12.170 he killed all of us. He was amazing. And I'm 523 00:23:12.190 --> 00:23:14.250 a Tony Bennett fan, but I was, you know, I 524 00:23:14.289 --> 00:23:16.049 don't know. I thought maybe the older we get, like, 525 00:23:16.089 --> 00:23:18.470 I don't know, sometimes people sound different. He sounds even better. 526 00:23:18.630 --> 00:23:21.670 Like a fine glass of wine. It's so beautiful. And 527 00:23:21.710 --> 00:23:26.390 I will say, if you're doing things correctly and you're 528 00:23:26.430 --> 00:23:29.670 taking care of yourself and you're not ruining your cords... 529 00:23:29.650 --> 00:23:31.690 You're not running your cords, not getting nodules. You're not 530 00:23:31.710 --> 00:23:33.230

doing things that you're not supposed to be doing. 531 00:23:33.289 --> 00:23:36.190 Your vocal cords or your musical cords? Your vocal cords. 532 00:23:36.259 --> 00:23:39.460 Is that a weird question? I don't know. I didn't 533 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:40.039 know that. 534 00:23:40.059 --> 00:23:42.460 No, I mean my vocal cords. You hear people having 535 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:44.500 to have surgery and all that stuff. If you're taking 536 00:23:44.539 --> 00:23:47.779 care of yourself, I think that you get better with age. 537 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:50.700 Your voice sounds more lived in and it sounds like 538 00:23:50.779 --> 00:23:52.039 I can go lower, I can go higher. 539 00:23:52.059 --> 00:23:54.619 I like that phrase, lived in. Yeah. Like a good 540 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:55.140 pair of boots. 541 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:59.460 Yes. My favorite voices aren't like mine. My favorite voices 542 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:02.960 are stylists and I'm not a stylist. Like, um, like 543 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.960 I love Bono. I love Annie Lennox. I love Reba. 544 00:24:05.980 --> 00:24:08.609 I love even Aretha. Like there's a style to them. 545 00:24:08.670 --> 00:24:11.170 Like I love so many different genres. I think that's 546 00:24:11.190 --> 00:24:12.049 why I'm not a stylist. 547 00:24:12.069 --> 00:24:15.069 Like I like to float, but, um, and that's clear. 548 00:24:15.430 --> 00:24:17.109 Yeah. I love, I love to. Yeah. 549 00:24:17.750 --> 00:24:23.680 Many artists, yourself included, have certain issues with society that you, 550 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.319 that you want to change, that you want to, what's 551 00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:28.799 your short list of those? Oh gosh. 552 00:24:28.940 --> 00:24:32.259 I mean, open-mindedness, fairness. 553 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.380 Yeah, we need more of that. Oh my gosh. 554 00:24:34.420 --> 00:24:37.079 Yeah. I mean, just overall- Bullying, I think was one 555 00:24:37.099 --> 00:24:39.460 of your- I think bullying is a huge problem, especially 556 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.880 when you have children. It's even magnified. It's magnified even 557 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:46.019 more so. But I don't know. I think an overall 558 00:24:46.099 --> 00:24:48.420 open-mindedness and just that whole thing that you're taught when 559 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:50.509 you're a kid, like putting yourself in somebody else's shoes. 560 00:24:51.009 --> 00:24:53.170 I think if we literally did that more often and 561 00:24:53.210 --> 00:24:55.970 imagined it was a direct impact to our daily lives, 562 00:24:56.009 --> 00:24:57.930 we would be more open-minded. 563 00:24:58.289 --> 00:25:01.589 So what I wonder is sociologists like study this stuff 564 00:25:01.650 --> 00:25:04.099 and I wonder if the real solution is just to 565 00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:06.799 get people who are well known to just be the 566 00:25:06.819 --> 00:25:10.460 champions of all these things that society needs and doesn't 567 00:25:10.539 --> 00:25:11.200 know that they need it. 568 00:25:11.589 --> 00:25:14.509 I know it's really funny though because every time an 569 00:25:14.589 --> 00:25:17.809 artist says anything, you get the shut up and sing. 570 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.799 We just wanted to hear you sing. We just want 571 00:25:20.819 --> 00:25:23.789 to see you play football. We just want to see you. Yeah. 572 00:25:23.829 --> 00:25:26.130 I'm just saying it's like, it's always like a, we 573 00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:28.589 just like, like as if we have the one thing 574 00:25:28.609 --> 00:25:32.329 that makes us us like, um, and I think the 575 00:25:32.369 --> 00:25:34.380 important thing is I try not to get mad at that. 576 00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:37.740 And I try and, have an open dialogue, whether it's 577 00:25:37.779 --> 00:25:39.779 social media or in meet and greets when I meet 578 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:41.920 people or wherever I am. Um, and I try to 579 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.720 keep an open dialogue and an open mind because you're 580 00:25:44.740 --> 00:25:48.200 not going to change someone's heart by returning their hate 581 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.269 with hate. So, um, so I, you know, I try 582 00:25:51.309 --> 00:25:54.190 to be positive and I try to be comedic, you know, 583 00:25:54.210 --> 00:25:58.250 have a comedic timing about it kind of thing. But, but, um, Well, 584 00:25:58.930 --> 00:26:01.549 I try, I try, but it's hard. It is a 585 00:26:01.589 --> 00:26:04.430 hard thing. Cause, cause I don't know, people don't want 586 00:26:04.450 --> 00:26:09.980 to hear certain messages from people apparently. So it is 587 00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:11.240 always funny though. Cause at the end of the day, 588 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.299 I'm like, well, I'm a human and I'm a mom 589 00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:16.259 and I'm a wife and I'm more than just a singer, 590 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.460 you know? So, and I, I have, you know, a 591 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.339 mother of four that I, I, I don't know. I 592 00:26:21.339 --> 00:26:23.579 feel like as a parent, I'm explaining a lot away 593 00:26:23.859 --> 00:26:26.019 every day. And, you know, especially with our 10 and 594 00:26:26.019 --> 00:26:28.380 16 year old, they're starting to ask us questions that 595 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.119 I'm like, uh, like my husband and I were at 596 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:32.480 dinner and I was like, oh God, they've never been 597 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:36.740 interested in politics before, but now they're afraid. And I'm like, uh, like, 598 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.059 so it's, it's just like an interesting thing to navigate. 599 00:26:39.460 --> 00:26:41.970 So 1, 3, 10 and 16. That's the whole range 600 00:26:42.009 --> 00:26:42.349 right there. 601 00:26:42.430 --> 00:26:44.269 Well, cause she, our 16 year old keeps saying, well, 602 00:26:44.289 --> 00:26:46.970 I'm going to vote in two years. Like why, why 603 00:26:47.009 -->

00:26:48.890 should I vote? How should I vote? How do I 604 00:26:48.930 --> 00:26:50.829 know who to trust? Or how, you know, all these 605 00:26:50.869 --> 00:26:54.480 questions that even as an adult or... Hard to decipher. 606 00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:56.720 And the interesting thing is most kids vote as their 607 00:26:56.779 --> 00:26:59.200 parents vote. Totally. It's an interesting fact. 608 00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:03.690 I was not one of them. Yeah, it didn't go 609 00:27:03.710 --> 00:27:04.069 over well. 610 00:27:04.329 --> 00:27:07.109 Not at the Thanksgiving table. 611 00:27:07.910 --> 00:27:10.920 My family is definitely divided. But it's fine. I mean, 612 00:27:11.259 --> 00:27:13.220 I think that's what's great about living in our country. 613 00:27:13.619 --> 00:27:15.680 And I think that that's what... I think that's what's 614 00:27:15.740 --> 00:27:18.849 upsetting for, you know, whatever political belief you are, whatever faith, 615 00:27:19.130 --> 00:27:20.809 that's the most amazing thing about our country. And I 616 00:27:20.809 --> 00:27:22.329 think that we need to focus on more than anything 617 00:27:22.390 --> 00:27:24.769 is that although we're all very different, we have different 618 00:27:24.789 --> 00:27:27.339 beliefs or whatever. The fact that we're able to have 619 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.660 those is what's outstanding. And I don't, and I think 620 00:27:30.700 --> 00:27:34.069 that people. focus so much. It's like idle hands, you know, 621 00:27:34.230 --> 00:27:36.180 are the devil's work. And it's like, people are so, 622 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:37.799 I'm like, are you all that bored that you're just 623 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:39.859 trying to like, I don't, I don't understand what's happening. Like, 624 00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:43.980 like focus on the positive focus on the similarities, focus 625 00:27:44.019 --> 00:27:44.960 on the great change. 626 00:27:45.019 --> 00:27:48.029 Like I try to not distract people so much as 627 00:27:48.069 --> 00:27:50.569 to give them a higher level of things to talk about. 628 00:27:50.789 --> 00:27:51.210 Absolutely. 629 00:27:51.269 --> 00:27:54.789 You know, like, did you know that in one centimeter 630 00:27:54.869 --> 00:27:59.299 of your lower colon lives and works more microbes than 631 00:27:59.750 --> 00:28:01.670 than all the humans who have ever been born. 632 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:03.079 What? 633 00:28:03.470 --> 00:28:06.140 See, I tried. So, yeah. So that way, now you're 634 00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:07.740 not thinking of who you're going to hate. 635 00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:08.759 Yeah. I don't hate people. 636 00:28:08.900 --> 00:28:09.140 Right. 637 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:10.539 I just don't talk to them. 638 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.079 I wasn't talking about you hating people. 639 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:14.440 I don't hate people. I'm just like done with them. 640 00:28:14.619 --> 00:28:16.400 Done. We're done. Move on. Yeah. 641 00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:17.900 Like, no, sir. 642 00:28:19.049 --> 00:28:22.690 Over the 15 years you've been known to us, has 643 00:28:22.849 --> 00:28:25.190 technology changed in the production of music? 644 00:28:25.569 --> 00:28:25.970 My gosh. 645 00:28:25.990 --> 00:28:28.069 And how you now perform or record? 646 00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.670 Literally, I feel like, especially in my career, like from 647 00:28:31.690 --> 00:28:34.539 the 15 years I've been doing this, it has been 648 00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:38.500 dramatic changes. There have been dramatic changes every couple of years. 649 00:28:39.009 --> 00:28:41.190 You know, I remember when Napster first came out, they 650 00:28:41.210 --> 00:28:41.930 were the devil. 651 00:28:41.950 --> 00:28:44.410 Are you that old? You're not that old. 652 00:28:44.809 --> 00:28:47.869 I'm 35. I started at 19. So, you know, it's just, 653 00:28:47.950 --> 00:28:50.150 I remember that was just like, oh my God, the 654 00:28:50.289 --> 00:28:52.410 end of, you know, whatever. And now streaming is a 655 00:28:52.430 --> 00:28:54.009 huge thing and like we're embracing it and we're just 656 00:28:54.029 --> 00:28:55.150 figuring it out and like how it's going to go. 657 00:28:55.150 --> 00:28:57.750 But it's always been, you know, I had cassette tapes 658 00:28:57.809 --> 00:29:00.430 to CDs to an MP3 to, you know what I'm saying? 659 00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:03.480 Now we're just streaming. Like it's like, it's just so... 660 00:29:04.230 --> 00:29:05.750 And I don't think you should try and keep up. 661 00:29:06.089 --> 00:29:08.529 So you started at cassette tape. You didn't say 8-track, see? 662 00:29:08.829 --> 00:29:09.470 No, I was cassette tape. 663 00:29:09.490 --> 00:29:11.210 My day, we go 8-track and we go back. I 664 00:29:11.230 --> 00:29:12.259 was cassette tape. Yeah, yeah. 665 00:29:12.299 --> 00:29:16.079 My Paul Abdul, straight up, now tell me. 666 00:29:16.859 --> 00:29:20.079 So, okay, but that's how you ingest music. But how 667 00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:23.460 about in the performing of music? Are there any technologies 668 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.200 and microphones or mixing tables? 669 00:29:27.299 --> 00:29:30.470 No, I mean, I think we're pretty... I like an 670 00:29:30.950 --> 00:29:33.069 organic vibe. I mean, we throw in some like cool 671 00:29:33.089 --> 00:29:35.079 beats and we've gone on tour with like a DJ before. 672 00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:38.200 And there's some cool effects you can do like with 673 00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:41.259 bullet mic effects and stuff like that. But, I don't 674 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.130 know I don't really I like keeping it pretty organic 675 00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:46.609 and just because I think people don't come to you know, 676 00:29:46.630 --> 00:29:48.890 I don't dance. I don't fly. I'm not, there's no fire. 677 00:29:49.049 --> 00:29:52.049 Like it was like, just me, my band. 678 00:29:52.109 --> 00:29:55.200 So, so we try and make things sound,

um, you know, 679 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.660 amazing live, like the music and the, and the vocals 680 00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:00.799 we want to really pierce through the, the atmosphere, like 681 00:30:00.819 --> 00:30:04.660 in the, in the crowd. So I use the word atmosphere. 682 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:06.779 I noticed that I'm totally digging it. 683 00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:07.660 That was for you. 684 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.430 Um, did you know that earth's atmosphere is to earth 685 00:30:12.430 --> 00:30:15.009 as the skin of an apple is to an apple? 686 00:30:16.049 --> 00:30:16.730 Was that thin? 687 00:30:16.869 --> 00:30:17.529 It is that thin. 688 00:30:18.150 --> 00:30:21.210 Dang. And you know we're messing that up right now. 689 00:30:21.730 --> 00:30:22.450 You know we're just. 690 00:30:22.470 --> 00:30:24.579 People, you know, we are small within it, so we 691 00:30:24.619 --> 00:30:26.740 think you can just pollute it and who cares. 692 00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:27.400 Yeah. 693 00:30:27.500 --> 00:30:27.940 No, it's this thin. 694 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.259 What are your thoughts on, I know this is you 695 00:30:30.460 --> 00:30:33.339 are supposed to be starting, but I'm curious. With like Tesla, 696 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:35.259 like with Elon Musk, like doing the whole Mars thing, 697 00:30:35.299 --> 00:30:38.670 like saying we have to be a multi-planetarian like species 698 00:30:38.769 --> 00:30:40.630 to survive. Do you agree with that? 699 00:30:40.890 --> 00:30:42.789 Yeah. Often people who say we need to be a 700 00:30:42.809 --> 00:30:47.150 multi-planet species to survive, they're imagining that an asteroid strike 701 00:30:47.269 --> 00:30:48.839 or a virus that could take us out. 702 00:30:48.890 --> 00:30:50.920 I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about it's just 703 00:30:50.980 --> 00:30:51.700 ruining planet Earth. 704 00:30:51.740 --> 00:30:55.079 Just ruining planet Earth. So here's my rebuttal. By the way, 705 00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.059 Stephen Hawking feels the same way. 706 00:30:57.220 --> 00:30:57.619 Yeah. 707 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.980 And as did Carl Sagan, many great thinkers in the past. Totally. 708 00:31:01.029 --> 00:31:04.109 I'm not entirely on board with it. Okay. But let 709 00:31:04.170 --> 00:31:04.609 me tell you why. 710 00:31:04.750 --> 00:31:05.049 Okay. 711 00:31:05.690 --> 00:31:06.890 Just for practical reasons. 712 00:31:06.910 --> 00:31:09.670 Okay. I'm so interested. 713 00:31:09.730 --> 00:31:13.069 Okay, for practical reasons. We're not gonna ship a billion 714 00:31:13.109 --> 00:31:15.970 people to Mars or any number of people to Mars 715 00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:20.329 to not come back unless we've kind of terraformed it. 716 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:22.559 Turn it into, isn't that a great word, terraform? Turn 717 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:27.619 Mars into Earth. Okay? But consider, the day we have 718 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:32.029 the power of geoengineering to turn

Mars into Earth. 719 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.390 Then you're saying, why don't you just use that right here? 720 00:31:34.410 --> 00:31:36.190 Then we can just turn Earth back into Earth. 721 00:31:36.410 --> 00:31:36.549 Yeah. 722 00:31:36.569 --> 00:31:36.670 Yeah. 723 00:31:37.460 --> 00:31:39.519 But see, I don't know, do you think we're that powerful? 724 00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:42.410 I'm saying if you could turn Mars into Earth, you 725 00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:44.029 can turn Earth into Earth no matter what you did 726 00:31:44.069 --> 00:31:45.809 to Earth. This is all I'm saying. 727 00:31:45.829 --> 00:31:47.839 But what if they're just planning on going to Mars 728 00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:52.700 and creating like a... like not what Earth is, but 729 00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:55.240 trying to. Yeah, like a different version. 730 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.319 Okay, that's fine, then you're not doing it to survive, 731 00:31:57.339 --> 00:31:59.869 you're doing it because we don't fit on this planet anymore, 732 00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:02.089 and we ran out of resources, and we need another 733 00:32:02.109 --> 00:32:04.509 place to get resources, and we gotta spill out. 734 00:32:04.549 --> 00:32:05.359 We're abusing all our. 735 00:32:05.369 --> 00:32:06.990 Yeah, so it'd be the same thing as you move 736 00:32:07.009 --> 00:32:08.970 from the cities to the suburbs, we move from Earth 737 00:32:09.029 --> 00:32:13.750 to the suburban planets. That could happen, I can imagine that. 738 00:32:14.009 --> 00:32:14.250 Yeah. 739 00:32:14.369 --> 00:32:18.430 Yeah, because we needed to, not because the threat of death. 740 00:32:19.470 --> 00:32:22.630 I see it as like, well, then I guess it's 741 00:32:22.670 --> 00:32:23.180 our time. 742 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.440 It's very matter of fact about it. 743 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:28.920 I'm like, well, I'm like, I don't think, I mean, 744 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.519 I'm all about like, I love, I'm curious about all 745 00:32:31.539 --> 00:32:34.299 of it. So I'm always interested. Like I watch, I 746 00:32:34.339 --> 00:32:37.980 love watching documentaries on it. Like I, I'm fascinated by 747 00:32:38.069 --> 00:32:40.650 it all. Anything dealing with like black holes, the galaxy, 748 00:32:40.710 --> 00:32:43.170 like just there's so much we don't know, which I 749 00:32:43.210 --> 00:32:46.650 find fascinating. But at the same time, too, I'm just like, well, 750 00:32:46.710 --> 00:32:48.420 if it just ends, well, I guess we had our 751 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:50.480 moment in history, didn't we? 752 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:51.680 Our blip. 753 00:32:51.819 --> 00:32:52.539 Yeah. 754 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:56.359 Blip in history. Am I allowed to ask you in 755 00:32:56.380 --> 00:32:56.920 front of cameras? 756 00:32:57.789 --> 00:32:58.069 Yes. 757 00:32:58.089 --> 00:32:59.170 Do you use autotuned? 758 00:32:59.930 --> 00:33:02.140 On records? Yeah, we don't do it live, but we 759 00:33:02.180 --> 00:33:03.440 definitely have used it on records. 760 00:33:03.460 --> 00:33:05.680 Because auto-tune, you can now do it live. Yeah. What 761 00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:06.980 you sing here comes out on the right note. No, 762 00:33:06.980 --> 00:33:07.720 you can do it live. 763 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.240 There are people that do concerts that have their vocals. Yeah, 764 00:33:11.339 --> 00:33:13.009 because I know who they are. 765 00:33:13.029 --> 00:33:15.589 Because I know the people that work for them. Is 766 00:33:15.609 --> 00:33:17.710 it just people in the closet about their auto-tune? 767 00:33:17.769 --> 00:33:20.089 No, there are people that auto-tune live. I don't do 768 00:33:20.130 --> 00:33:21.549 that live. I don't want to take away from that 769 00:33:21.589 --> 00:33:26.480 emotional moment. But when it's on record, I don't mind. 770 00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.450 If I love a performance... And I'm like, oh, I 771 00:33:29.490 --> 00:33:32.170 don't know if I'm going to nail that again, or 772 00:33:32.190 --> 00:33:33.750 if I even try it again and I haven't nailed, 773 00:33:34.369 --> 00:33:37.069 everything was perfect, but one thing, I don't want that 774 00:33:37.170 --> 00:33:38.250 one thing. 775 00:33:37.930 --> 00:33:39.549 To ruin the whole vibe. 776 00:33:40.150 --> 00:33:43.730 So I don't mind using it sparingly, but we definitely 777 00:33:43.750 --> 00:33:44.490 don't use it a ton. 778 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.539 Because it's a major addition to the musician's arsenal, the 779 00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:49.160 singer's arsenal. 780 00:33:49.180 --> 00:33:51.079 Yeah, and there are a lot of cool things you 781 00:33:51.099 --> 00:33:52.519 can do. I mean, I know a lot of guys 782 00:33:52.579 --> 00:33:54.319 in rap use them because it sounds cool. 783 00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:56.279 Oh, that's when you, okay. We did a whole program 784 00:33:56.299 --> 00:34:00.680 for Nova recently, back when I was host of a 785 00:34:00.740 --> 00:34:03.980 Nova spinoff called Nova Science Now. I interviewed the guy 786 00:34:04.059 --> 00:34:07.740 who invented Auto-Tune. And he was telling me about what 787 00:34:07.809 --> 00:34:11.750 happens if you change, yeah, you can manipulate it over 788 00:34:11.769 --> 00:34:15.170 the edge, and then it makes that funny distortion. 789 00:34:15.190 --> 00:34:16.469 Yeah, the robotic kind of weird, yeah. 790 00:34:16.590 --> 00:34:17.309 Right, and. 791 00:34:17.429 --> 00:34:19.489 Which can be cool, because on this, we did it 792 00:34:19.510 --> 00:34:20.530 on medicine on this album. 793 00:34:20.650 --> 00:34:22.650 He made it clear that that was not the intent. 794 00:34:22.969 --> 00:34:25.159 The intent is to fix your note to be the 795 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:25.719 proper note. 796 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:26.239 Absolutely. 797 00:34:26.260 --> 00:34:27.860 Not to dangle off the side of the waterfall. 798 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:28.199 Yes, absolutely. 799

00:34:28.300 --> 00:34:31.440 Where all these extra weird noises come from. Yes, and it's. 800 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.460 And it's also cool, like, because how we, like, okay, 801 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.400 there's a song called Medicine. That's where we use it. 802 00:34:37.420 --> 00:34:40.800 Like on Medicine, there's this part that goes, never give 803 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.579 me high, never give me low. And I sing it. 804 00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.150 But then there's this also part, they literally took my 805 00:34:46.190 --> 00:34:48.909 vocal and almost like. changed it, manipulated it like an 806 00:34:49.090 --> 00:34:51.989 octave lower to where it has this like, and it's 807 00:34:52.010 --> 00:34:53.590 like this, it sounds like a man. My mom was like, 808 00:34:53.610 --> 00:34:55.650 who's the man on your record? I was like, that's 809 00:34:55.690 --> 00:34:58.139 my voice. I just manipulated it. So there's really cool 810 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.659 things you can do with it. Um, I think at 811 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:03.739 the end of the day, if you're not capable of 812 00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.719 doing it live, then I don't think you should maybe 813 00:35:06.739 --> 00:35:09.610 do it. That's my personal thing. But, but if it's 814 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:12.210 like going to run a moment that was really beautiful 815 00:35:12.369 --> 00:35:14.829 and like it, you don't want to change that moment. 816 00:35:14.869 --> 00:35:18.260 That doesn't bother me. Um, I just think it's cheating 817 00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:20.860 when they do it at a live show because why 818 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.280 I think that's cheating is for all of us that 819 00:35:22.300 --> 00:35:24.719 are working our tails off. And, you know, we might 820 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:28.139 be emotional and pitchy at points. That's not fair because 821 00:35:28.179 --> 00:35:31.530 then people, it's false advertisement, you know, pitchy. 822 00:35:31.690 --> 00:35:32.150 Yeah. 823 00:35:32.550 --> 00:35:34.250 Like if you're pitchy, like, you know, if you're going 824 00:35:34.269 --> 00:35:36.849 for me and you go me. 825 00:35:36.869 --> 00:35:41.320 Oh, okay. Yeah. You said it as though that's like 826 00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:41.820 being bitchy. 827 00:35:42.219 --> 00:35:46.460 Oh, bitchy, yeah. Well, you'll get bitchy after you're bitchy. 828 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.070 That's what follows. There's a cause and effect. It's a 829 00:35:50.090 --> 00:35:53.530 reaction to every action. But no, it's, I don't know. 830 00:35:53.929 --> 00:35:56.250 So I also understand you wrote a lullaby for each 831 00:35:56.269 --> 00:35:56.869 of your two books. 832 00:35:57.539 --> 00:35:59.440 I wrote a lullaby for the first one. 833 00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:00.079 I love lullabies. 834 00:36:00.099 --> 00:36:01.880 Yeah, I do too. They're so beautiful. It was when 835 00:36:01.900 --> 00:36:03.320 I was going to write a lullaby for each one, 836 00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:05.559 and we might still do that, but the Christmas one, 837 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.780 which was the second one in the River Rose series, 838 00:36:08.260 --> 00:36:10.389 I actually did a full-on Christmas song for. Because we 839 00:36:10.409 --> 00:36:12.349 thought it would be cool because there's not a lot of... 840 00:36:12.969 --> 00:36:16.070 original Christmas songs out there. Even on my Christmas album, 841 00:36:16.090 --> 00:36:18.929 there's a few, but a lot of them are classics. 842 00:36:18.949 --> 00:36:21.170 But I love that one. But it's nice to do 843 00:36:21.210 --> 00:36:23.360 something original every once in a while. So we did 844 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.059 a full-on Christmas song for the second book, but there's 845 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:26.619 a lullaby for the first one. It's the song I 846 00:36:26.659 --> 00:36:27.619 sang to her when she was a baby. 847 00:36:27.739 --> 00:36:30.880 So the book series begins with what words? 848 00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:34.420 The River Rose and the Magical Lullaby is the first one. 849 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:36.340 Okay, so River Rose and the. 850 00:36:36.889 --> 00:36:39.090 River Rose and the Magical Lullaby, and then it's River 851 00:36:39.130 --> 00:36:40.809 Rose and the Magical Christmas. 852 00:36:40.550 --> 00:36:43.539 Is the second one. Okay. And we'll see more, presumably. 853 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.420 Yeah, there's a whole series that I've written. We actually 854 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.619 didn't plan on the Christmas one. It just came up. Right. 855 00:36:47.780 --> 00:36:49.239 And my editor, I was like, we can do that 856 00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:51.480 in a year, right? And he was like, uh-huh. And 857 00:36:51.579 --> 00:36:53.940 I was like, because I really wanted it to come out. 858 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:56.619 It's a fun age, you know, for River Rose, the 859 00:36:56.659 --> 00:36:58.659 real River Rose, like, you know, for Christmas. So I 860 00:36:58.820 --> 00:37:00.369 thought it would be cool. She loves it, so it's 861 00:37:00.409 --> 00:37:03.059 kid approved. Which is hard to get kid approved. 862 00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:08.239 They stamp it and it's good, yeah. So lullabies, I 863 00:37:08.300 --> 00:37:12.699 think it's scientifically demonstrated to be soothing to babies. I mean, 864 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.800 we do that empirically, but I think you can study 865 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.780 brain patterns and what parts of it it hits and 866 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.900 it calms anxieties. It's almost the same as a. 867 00:37:21.860 --> 00:37:25.289 Speaking voice, like a smooth voice. rather than your voice 868 00:37:25.309 --> 00:37:28.170 compared to my speaking voice, yours would be more soothing. 869 00:37:28.489 --> 00:37:29.929 So you can sing and I can speak, and we 870 00:37:29.969 --> 00:37:30.829 can go on the road. 871 00:37:31.070 --> 00:37:32.550 Yes, we have a duo. 872 00:37:33.010 -->

00:37:36.170 I'm ready. I say, the universe. 873 00:37:36.409 --> 00:37:38.030 And I go, the universe. 874 00:37:40.059 --> 00:37:40.559 Yeah. 875 00:37:44.769 --> 00:37:46.530 Have you ever interviewed Blake Shelton? 876 00:37:46.809 --> 00:37:48.909 No, no, I haven't. Oh my God, I want y'all 877 00:37:48.929 --> 00:37:51.210 to talk. Okay. This would be amazing. I'll look for him. 878 00:37:51.449 --> 00:37:53.949 Actually, I want to do it with y'all because I'm 879 00:37:53.969 --> 00:37:54.670 just going to laugh. 880 00:37:56.780 --> 00:37:59.280 Speaking of Blake Shelton, are you now an advisor to 881 00:37:59.300 --> 00:38:00.840 American Idol? Now, what is your role? 882 00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:02.199 I'm an advisor to The Voice. 883 00:38:02.340 --> 00:38:02.920 Oh, The Voice. 884 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.280 I'm an advisor on this current season and the next 885 00:38:05.300 --> 00:38:06.960 season I'm a coach. I have my own chair. 886 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:10.679 Oh, okay. Right, all right, because the voice, you are 887 00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:11.840 not facing the performer. 888 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:14.900 Yeah, you start off, yeah, with the blinds, which is amazing. 889 00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:15.780 Yeah, as it should be. 890 00:38:16.019 --> 00:38:18.820 Yeah, that's actually how I started singing, because I sing 891 00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.340 classical stuff, and every time you'd go to a competition, 892 00:38:21.380 --> 00:38:22.639 they weren't allowed to see you, so you'd have to 893 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.019 perform by, I performed behind screens for years. 894 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.260 You know what started that? What? They had auditions for 895 00:38:29.550 --> 00:38:35.510 classical pianists and violinists and things, and orchestras were predominantly men, 896 00:38:35.730 --> 00:38:38.380 out of proportion with the number of women who were competing. 897 00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:44.239 And so the evaluators were picking men, saying, oh, they 898 00:38:44.260 --> 00:38:45.900 play better in music. And they put a screen up, 899 00:38:45.980 --> 00:38:48.639 and then the fraction of women went in. Yeah, so 900 00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:49.659 now it's a thing. 901 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:51.780 Yeah, I mean, there's a song about it, Video Killed 902 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.840 the Radio Star, too. And there's a bit about it 903 00:38:53.900 --> 00:38:55.900 that I like about the blinds on the voice is 904 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:57.820 that you can't see them. It's not about the aesthetics. 905 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.559 It's about the true talent and merit of the singer. 906 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.360 Right. So you're not only a performing artist, you're you're 907 00:39:05.380 --> 00:39:07.820 engaged in some social activism when you can and when 908 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.380 you can make that change. And from what I read, 909 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:11.539 you're also a philanthropist? 910 00:39:12.159 -->

00:39:14.780 I mean, I try and shed light on organizations that 911 00:39:15.460 --> 00:39:17.480 I feel like need more attention. It's always funny because 912 00:39:17.780 --> 00:39:20.159 being in the spotlight, we get so much attention. And 913 00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:22.469 it's nice to use that for something good. 914 00:39:22.489 --> 00:39:23.030 Spread the love. 915 00:39:23.269 --> 00:39:25.809 Yeah. And it's nice to, especially if you're passionate about it. 916 00:39:26.050 --> 00:39:26.869 What are you passionate about? 917 00:39:27.289 --> 00:39:30.800 Well, I've worked a lot recently. I'm really into XQ 918 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.880 Super Schools just because I did this. It's funny. I 919 00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:35.800 didn't even know they existed, and then I randomly did 920 00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:38.219 this event for them, and they haven't been around. I 921 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.059 think 2015 maybe is when they started, but it's a 922 00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:45.710 really cool, innovative project of really applying life skills, not 923 00:39:45.750 --> 00:39:49.429 just the core things. in, in school and really setting 924 00:39:49.469 --> 00:39:52.130 up kids to get them prepared for life. And it's 925 00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:54.579 a lot of that kind of innovation and progressiveness that I, 926 00:39:54.949 --> 00:39:56.969 that my mom, you know, she started a school actually 927 00:39:57.030 --> 00:39:58.849 that was a public school, but you almost had, it 928 00:39:58.889 --> 00:40:01.170 was like a lottery to get in. But, um, and 929 00:40:01.190 --> 00:40:04.269 it was, you know, not having teachers stick to exactly 930 00:40:04.309 --> 00:40:07.530 the tests and everything. Cause kids learn differently and all 931 00:40:07.570 --> 00:40:10.239 kids are, you know, um, some are more creative, some 932 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.900 are more math based, some are more, you know, we're 933 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.840 all different. And so it's really cool how they're, They're 934 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.119 trying to be innovative in the sense of changing this 935 00:40:19.179 --> 00:40:21.059 archaic system that our educational system is. 936 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:26.230 So you became a singer, not a teacher, but as 937 00:40:26.269 --> 00:40:27.710 a singer, you're enabling teaching. 938 00:40:28.699 --> 00:40:31.039 I could never be a teacher. I don't have the patience. 939 00:40:32.050 --> 00:40:33.590 But I respect them. 940 00:40:33.610 --> 00:40:34.650 You're doing the next best thing. 941 00:40:35.369 --> 00:40:39.250 But I respect them more than any other vocation. Just 942 00:40:39.289 --> 00:40:45.199 because it's one, you're not paid well. And you give 943 00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:46.920 so much. People are always like, oh, they get three 944 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:48.739 months off. I'm like, no, they don't. They don't get 945 00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:50.619 summers off, they're all in their, oh. 946 00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:54.920 Gosh, what are they called? Workshops. 947 00:40:55.179 --> 00:41:00.679 My mom had workshops all summer. So they're always constantly working. 948 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.139 It's funny, because we were all those kids in these classrooms, 949 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.480 and we go off and we're successful and we make 950 00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:09.519 all this money and do all these things, and these 951 00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:11.699 people that are the reason why we've become who we 952 00:41:11.900 --> 00:41:15.920 are and why we are successful, are working for nothing 953 00:41:16.539 --> 00:41:19.610 and giving everything. Because it's not just my mom, especially, 954 00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:21.789 and all the teachers she worked with. It wasn't just 955 00:41:21.829 --> 00:41:25.369 teaching them those core subjects. It's also teaching them to 956 00:41:25.409 --> 00:41:28.269 be great human. And it's also teaching them social skills 957 00:41:28.309 --> 00:41:30.610 and how to not be socially inept and act as 958 00:41:30.650 --> 00:41:33.590 a team and setting them up for life. And I 959 00:41:33.610 --> 00:41:36.170 just feel like we could do better, especially since we 960 00:41:36.210 --> 00:41:38.989 have four kids. I would like for us to do better, 961 00:41:39.010 --> 00:41:42.909 to get kids excited about it, to apply it in 962 00:41:42.929 --> 00:41:46.760 a way that is applicable after they get out of school, 963 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:47.659 you know? 964 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:48.820 I don't know. 965 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:51.579 I really loved what XQ Super Schools is doing. I 966 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:52.179 think it's cool. 967 00:41:52.900 --> 00:41:53.699 So you're from Tennessee? 968 00:41:54.449 --> 00:41:56.349 I'm from Texas, but I've been in Tennessee for over 969 00:41:56.389 --> 00:41:56.789 a decade. 970 00:41:56.949 --> 00:41:59.190 For over a decade. Okay, so you're a resident of Tennessee. 971 00:41:59.210 --> 00:41:59.829 I'm a resident. 972 00:41:59.849 --> 00:42:01.010 Yeah, Nashville. What part of Texas? 973 00:42:01.530 --> 00:42:02.710 Fort Worth, Burleson area. 974 00:42:02.730 --> 00:42:03.329 Fort Worth. 975 00:42:03.389 --> 00:42:04.070 Fort Worth. 976 00:42:04.190 --> 00:42:05.510 Fort Worth, I love you. 977 00:42:05.590 --> 00:42:05.949 Yes. 978 00:42:05.969 --> 00:42:07.619 There was a bumper sticker, I remember. Fort Worth, I 979 00:42:07.619 --> 00:42:08.119 love you. 980 00:42:08.179 --> 00:42:09.360 Oh my gosh, because why wouldn't you? 981 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.559 I love Texas. I met my wife in Texas. Yeah. Yeah, 982 00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:15.599 so we have roots there. 983 00:42:15.820 --> 00:42:17.679 That's why she's fantastic. Okay. 984 00:42:17.780 --> 00:42:20.039 So Tennessee, you're a Tennessee resident? 985 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:20.360 Yep. 986 00:42:20.469 --> 00:42:23.670 Okay, now I arranged to have a total solar eclipse. 987 00:42:24.130 -->

00:42:25.869 Go completely through your state. 988 00:42:26.349 --> 00:42:29.809 Actually, Sumner County, where our farm is, is exactly one 989 00:42:29.829 --> 00:42:30.469 of the best places. 990 00:42:30.690 --> 00:42:34.550 So maybe my invitation was still in the mail. Lost 991 00:42:34.610 --> 00:42:36.929 in the mail. I'll go back home and check. 992 00:42:36.989 --> 00:42:37.750 You could have come. 993 00:42:37.769 --> 00:42:38.610 Maybe it was there. 994 00:42:38.630 --> 00:42:39.730 We had a cookout. 995 00:42:39.849 --> 00:42:40.309 I don't know. 996 00:42:40.329 --> 00:42:43.530 We were on our land just hanging out. 997 00:42:43.630 --> 00:42:44.730 Maybe it's still in the. 998 00:42:44.969 --> 00:42:47.610 I just didn't have your address, the right one. 999 00:42:48.889 --> 00:42:51.960 Did you have any astro person on your ranch for this? 1000 00:42:52.579 --> 00:42:56.539 You had no scientists on the ranch? 1001 00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:00.340 I love that I appear that I have scientist friends too. 1002 00:43:00.429 --> 00:43:02.710 Everybody needs a scientist at arm's reach. 1003 00:43:03.190 --> 00:43:05.329 Well, we do have Chris Dye on our team, which 1004 00:43:05.389 --> 00:43:08.190 he's a genius. We call him MacGyver on tour, but 1005 00:43:08.230 --> 00:43:11.849 he wasn't in Tennessee at the time. We were floored, though. 1006 00:43:11.869 --> 00:43:14.599 It was one of the coolest things I've ever been 1007 00:43:14.619 --> 00:43:15.099 a part of. 1008 00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:16.679 Followed by a moon shadow. 1009 00:43:17.010 --> 00:43:17.369 It was so cool. 1010 00:43:17.429 --> 00:43:18.469 Steeped in darkness. 1011 00:43:18.909 --> 00:43:20.929 Steeped in darkness. Write that book right now, sir. 1012 00:43:21.369 --> 00:43:24.659 Look at you. Steeped in darkness. Nice. No, I'm glad 1013 00:43:24.699 --> 00:43:27.159 you experienced it. It's one of the great spectacles of nature. 1014 00:43:27.380 --> 00:43:31.880 Yes. It was amazing because once it happened, like literally 1015 00:43:32.300 --> 00:43:34.219 the woods, like we have a lot of forests and 1016 00:43:34.429 --> 00:43:36.829 woods on our land, it came alive. like all of 1017 00:43:36.849 --> 00:43:40.380 a sudden the locusts, the crickets, everything was just like booming. 1018 00:43:40.579 --> 00:43:42.260 You heard all the twilight creatures. 1019 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.280 Yes, and everyone was so quiet because we were in 1020 00:43:45.460 --> 00:43:47.079 awe of what was happening. And then all of a 1021 00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:48.539 sudden we were like, oh my gosh, I mean, dear, 1022 00:43:48.579 --> 00:43:51.550 like things were just coming alive. And then it was 1023 00:43:51.590 --> 00:43:54.150 probably very confusing because then the Then it stopped. 1024 00:43:54.170 --> 00:43:57.809 The sun came back. The animals are saying, what the hell? Yeah, 1025 00:43:57.829 --> 00:43:59.280 they're like, what's happening? 1026 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:00.579 I'm getting punked. 1027 00:44:01.019 --> 00:44:02.980 Okay, so the next time there's a total solar eclipse 1028 00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:04.519 over your farm, you're going to call me up. 1029 00:44:04.820 --> 00:44:06.800 I will call you up. I'm going to call you. 1030 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.750 You aren't going to come, but I'm going to call you. 1031 00:44:10.289 --> 00:44:12.739 You think I won't. Actually, the next time to see it, 1032 00:44:12.750 --> 00:44:15.789 I think... Is it, where's the next, the next one 1033 00:44:15.829 --> 00:44:17.489 they said that was coming, is it in 24? Or no? 1034 00:44:18.289 --> 00:44:20.590 Well, there's an eclipse every couple of years. So they're 1035 00:44:20.610 --> 00:44:22.880 not as rare as the press would have you believe. 1036 00:44:22.889 --> 00:44:23.590 No, no, no, agreed. 1037 00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:28.260 Right, right. So, and nowadays, we have airplanes. So, like, 1038 00:44:28.300 --> 00:44:30.880 there's one, like, in South America, like, next year or 1039 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.039 the year after, you know, 2019, I think. So you're 1040 00:44:34.059 --> 00:44:36.380 never really that far away from the next one. 1041 00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:36.619 Yeah. 1042 00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:41.340 And lately, by the way, two-thirds of Earth's surface is ocean, 1043 00:44:41.739 --> 00:44:45.829 so there are entrepreneurial sort of ocean people who say, 1044 00:44:45.969 --> 00:44:48.449 we'll sail our boat into the eclipse path, and then 1045 00:44:48.489 --> 00:44:50.840 you have an ocean cruise the rest of the time 1046 00:44:50.860 --> 00:44:51.239 you're there. 1047 00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:51.820 What? 1048 00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:52.400 Oh, yeah. 1049 00:44:52.739 --> 00:44:53.880 That's pretty sexy. 1050 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.199 Yeah, it totally works, completely. 1051 00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:57.559 Nice bottle of wine. 1052 00:44:57.780 --> 00:44:58.159 Totally. 1053 00:44:58.280 --> 00:44:58.579 Yes. 1054 00:44:59.329 --> 00:45:02.250 Singing some Total Eclipse of the Heart. 1055 00:45:02.989 --> 00:45:03.989 Nothing I can do. 1056 00:45:04.050 --> 00:45:06.250 Have you seen that video? It's amazing. So I tweeted 1057 00:45:06.269 --> 00:45:09.320 during the eclipse all the songs I knew that referenced 1058 00:45:09.340 --> 00:45:11.280 a total solar eclipse. So you should look it up. 1059 00:45:11.300 --> 00:45:13.380 There's some songs in there. I am not that fun. No, no. 1060 00:45:13.380 --> 00:45:15.500 You can make the eclipse album. Yes. No, no. We'll 1061 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:16.179 totally collaborate. 1062 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:16.579 Oh, my God. 1063 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.099 That's great. You hear that, Atlantic Records? That's your next. 1064 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:25.559 The duet between us. You could be like the, you're 1065 00:45:25.579 --> 00:45:27.590 the voice, though. You're the sexy voice in Boyz II Men. 1066 00:45:27.989 --> 00:45:30.199 And

I'll be the singer. You do that, hey, baby. 1067 00:45:30.389 --> 00:45:31.989 You just come in and you just start talking it out. 1068 00:45:32.030 --> 00:45:34.369 Talk dirty science. Talk nerdy to me. 1069 00:45:34.750 --> 00:45:37.090 I'd say, Kelly, look west. 1070 00:45:37.349 --> 00:45:37.829 Look west. 1071 00:45:38.230 --> 00:45:39.530 Here comes the moon shadow. 1072 00:45:39.550 --> 00:45:40.829 Moon. 1073 00:45:40.829 --> 00:45:41.909 1,800 miles an hour. 1074 00:45:41.929 --> 00:45:42.150 Yeah. Yeah. 1075 00:45:46.869 --> 00:45:48.750 Come in with, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It is a 1076 00:45:48.909 --> 00:45:50.710 cone through space of darkness. 1077 00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:53.079 Darkness, darkness, darkness. 1078 00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:56.780 So, Toga, I'm glad you enjoyed the eclipse. I'm happy 1079 00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:57.719 to have arranged it for you. 1080 00:45:57.739 --> 00:46:00.099 Thank you. So lovely of you. 1081 00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:04.469 For every interview I conduct, I ask the person if, 1082 00:46:04.659 --> 00:46:07.769 because it's not every day they're hanging out with an astrophysicist, 1083 00:46:07.789 --> 00:46:09.789 and I just wonder, is there some question you have 1084 00:46:09.809 --> 00:46:14.670 harbored in yourself that you've never had the right person 1085 00:46:14.690 --> 00:46:17.489 around you to answer before? about the universe, this would 1086 00:46:17.510 --> 00:46:18.090 be that time. 1087 00:46:18.590 --> 00:46:20.760 Okay, I have one that you're probably gonna think is silly, 1088 00:46:20.860 --> 00:46:25.980 but whatever. I have always wondered, because have you ever 1089 00:46:26.019 --> 00:46:28.659 had astrology or numerology or any of that kind of stuff? 1090 00:46:29.019 --> 00:46:31.719 Have you ever had people do that to you? I mean, obviously, right? 1091 00:46:31.900 --> 00:46:32.400 All the time. 1092 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.960 Yeah, and you're like, silliness. But I'm just saying, do 1093 00:46:35.980 --> 00:46:36.969 you think there's any... All the time. 1094 00:46:37.050 --> 00:46:37.489 All the time. 1095 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.449 You don't think there's any merit to maybe the season 1096 00:46:40.489 --> 00:46:43.090 that you're born in or... do you think there's any 1097 00:46:43.170 --> 00:46:45.389 weight in that at all? Of like, you know what 1098 00:46:45.429 --> 00:46:48.920 I'm saying, like a time or like even the emotional 1099 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:50.380 state of a mother, if it's a time of war, 1100 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:51.739 if it's a time of, you know, whatever it is, 1101 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:53.599 do you think that any of that plays out? Or 1102 00:46:54.099 --> 00:46:56.019 like being a tourist, when's your birthday? 1103 00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.159 If you're into this stuff, then you should just know. 1104 00:46:59.179 --> 00:47:00.420 I don't know your birthday. 1105 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.820 There you go, therefore you can't. So that's a great question, 1106 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:09.809 by the way. So holding aside all the stuff, that 1107 00:47:09.869 --> 00:47:17.900 is summarily rejected by all scientific experiments. Just hold that 1108 00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:22.440 at bay for a moment. You can imagine long ago 1109 00:47:23.340 --> 00:47:27.610 where if you're born in the spring or the summer 1110 00:47:27.630 --> 00:47:30.070 or the fall or the winter, as a child you 1111 00:47:30.110 --> 00:47:33.869 would have different access to nutrients of the food that 1112 00:47:33.909 --> 00:47:37.190 grew on the farm. So if you were born like 1113 00:47:37.230 --> 00:47:39.050 the wrong time of the year, you might be a 1114 00:47:39.130 --> 00:47:43.280 sickly child. And because the food was already eaten or 1115 00:47:43.380 --> 00:47:46.000 it was spoiled by then or you're not ready. So 1116 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:51.360 you can imagine before anyone knew anything about nutrition. Think 1117 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.099 about this. We take vitamins because we studied vitamins. They're 1118 00:47:54.139 --> 00:47:57.059 Nobel Prizes for each one of those vitamins that were discovered. 1119 00:47:57.889 --> 00:48:01.250 They're modern things. People didn't know about vitamins, not explicitly. 1120 00:48:01.269 --> 00:48:03.489 They knew some foods kept you more healthy than others. 1121 00:48:03.690 --> 00:48:06.170 But go far enough back, you would say, oh, I 1122 00:48:06.210 --> 00:48:09.730 was born in February when the sun was over here. Therefore, 1123 00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:13.079 I will have this personality trait. So you can imagine 1124 00:48:13.420 --> 00:48:14.579 circumstances of. 1125 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:17.139 Of nature and nurture. 1126 00:48:17.219 --> 00:48:20.280 Of nature and nurture come together that could influence what 1127 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.300 kind of a person you might end up being. 1128 00:48:22.550 --> 00:48:22.800 Yeah. 1129 00:48:22.889 --> 00:48:27.070 Okay. But that has nothing to do with the sun, moon, 1130 00:48:27.090 --> 00:48:29.889 and stars. It has everything to do with the nutrition 1131 00:48:30.190 --> 00:48:31.449 of where and when you were born. 1132 00:48:31.469 --> 00:48:32.630 Okay. 1133 00:48:32.670 --> 00:48:35.619 Right. And so, but let's go a little further back. 1134 00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:42.000 You can imagine, here you are. Let's go back to Egypt. 1135 00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:46.710 And the star Sirius is rising just before the sun 1136 00:48:46.969 --> 00:48:49.250 in the morning sky. Dawn. 1137 00:48:50.090 --> 00:48:53.630 And Cleopatra says. 1138 00:48:53.809 --> 00:48:58.630 And they say, because Sirius, the star Sirius, the dog star, 1139 00:48:58.969 --> 00:49:02.429 is visible at this time of day, right in the 1140 00:49:02.469 --> 00:49:05.059 early morning, the Nile will rise. 1141 00:49:06.610 --> 00:49:10.860 Oh, so then it becomes, yeah, it's not, yeah, it's trickery. 1142 00:49:11.039 -->

00:49:15.239 Yeah, you're at the center of all this moving sky. 1143 00:49:15.820 --> 00:49:19.119 So clearly the universe knows about you and it's keeping 1144 00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:21.199 you healthy and it knows I need the Nile to. 1145 00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:23.360 Flood now to irrigate the. 1146 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.360 There it is, it is so egocentric. And it's still egocentric. 1147 00:49:28.420 --> 00:49:31.699 People saying, oh, Mars is in retrograde, therefore my life 1148 00:49:31.820 --> 00:49:35.820 is affected by that. You think Mars gives a rat's 1149 00:49:35.980 --> 00:49:41.099 ass about you? I'm just saying. I love that. 1150 00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:44.099 No, wait, so you're just, you think like with astrology, 1151 00:49:44.139 --> 00:49:46.579 it's more for like mapping it out and finding your way, 1152 00:49:46.659 --> 00:49:47.619 and is that what you? 1153 00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:49.070 In the day? What do you think of the stars? 1154 00:49:49.090 --> 00:49:50.610 What do you think are helpful for us? What do 1155 00:49:50.630 --> 00:49:52.610 you think they're there for? Like, what do you, you 1156 00:49:52.630 --> 00:49:54.670 know what I'm saying? Like, do you think people navigated 1157 00:49:54.710 --> 00:49:54.989 by them? 1158 00:49:56.230 --> 00:50:01.250 Helpful, yes. Now they're not as helpful as GPS. I 1159 00:50:01.269 --> 00:50:06.059 think they're scientifically interesting and they're gorgeous, yes. So they 1160 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.780 help people navigate and I have books where it says, 1161 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:11.659 oh isn't it great, God put these stars in this 1162 00:50:11.739 --> 00:50:15.360 way to help me find my destination. Again, it's an 1163 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:22.030 assertion that the entire universe orbits you. And this is 1164 00:50:22.090 --> 00:50:25.760 part of the cosmic perspective where you learn, no, the 1165 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.389 universe is not about you. You're about you. Yeah. And 1166 00:50:30.429 --> 00:50:31.909 you have some control over that. 1167 00:50:32.010 --> 00:50:32.309 Yeah. 1168 00:50:32.590 --> 00:50:34.510 But the universe is not about you. And the sooner 1169 00:50:34.570 --> 00:50:39.389 you learn that, the less your ego will interfere with 1170 00:50:39.530 --> 00:50:43.860 your domination over others that you might feel that you deserve. 1171 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:44.400 Yeah. 1172 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:46.739 Simply because you're at the center and others aren't. 1173 00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:48.800 And then why are you trying to dominate? Like what's lacking? 1174 00:50:48.860 --> 00:50:50.320 Yeah. What is going on there? Yeah. 1175 00:50:50.619 --> 00:50:52.730 It's like the older man with the sports car. You're like, 1176 00:50:53.349 --> 00:50:54.610 What are you making up for? 1177 00:50:54.630 --> 00:50:55.949 What are you compensating for? 1178 00:50:55.969 --> 00:50:56.889 What are you compensating for? 1179 00:50:56.929 --> 00:50:59.159 Just at the time, just so you know, because I'm 1180 00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.059 a guy, so I have to defend guys. But let 1181 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:05.679 me explain this away. So a guy at middle age 1182 00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:10.090 has generally vastly more income than when they were starting out. 1183 00:51:11.489 --> 00:51:14.510 So right about when they might want the sports car, 1184 00:51:14.769 --> 00:51:16.110 they actually have the money to afford it. 1185 00:51:16.269 --> 00:51:19.010 And they're freaking out because they're 40. 1186 00:51:19.010 --> 00:51:21.030 But I assure you, at age 18, if they could 1187 00:51:21.050 --> 00:51:23.849 have afforded the sports car, they would have. Without any reference. 1188 00:51:23.869 --> 00:51:27.170 So y'all just would have always been a tool. I'm 1189 00:51:27.210 --> 00:51:29.699 totally kidding. I've owned sports cars. I'm totally kidding. No, no, 1190 00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.719 I'm just saying. No, I'm totally kidding. The guy's finally 1191 00:51:32.739 --> 00:51:35.139 getting the sports car that he couldn't afford earlier in life. 1192 00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:36.539 That's all I'm saying. Just to stick up for. 1193 00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:38.300 Wait, and I wanted to touch on something you said 1194 00:51:38.340 --> 00:51:39.460 a minute ago. You said back in the day with 1195 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:42.380 the nutrients and this and stuff. Mm-hmm. I find it interesting, 1196 00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.360 alchemy is interesting, like how science was always super present without, 1197 00:51:45.699 --> 00:51:48.360 you know, unknowingly, like just with like how they used 1198 00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.119 like for medicinal purposes, like other plants and all that. 1199 00:51:51.139 --> 00:51:52.469 I think that that's very interesting. 1200 00:51:52.750 --> 00:51:53.630 Great point. 1201 00:51:53.809 --> 00:51:54.130 Yeah. 1202 00:51:54.289 --> 00:51:56.989 Okay, now chemists, if you call them an alchemist, they'll 1203 00:51:57.409 --> 00:51:59.869 fight you. Oh. But I have a different view of alchemy. 1204 00:51:59.889 --> 00:52:00.789 It's a sexier name. 1205 00:52:01.190 --> 00:52:06.289 Alchemy was the beginning of any attempt to understand chemistry. 1206 00:52:07.130 --> 00:52:08.829 I agree with that. And if the alchemists kept- Especially 1207 00:52:08.849 --> 00:52:11.639 using nature. They kept good notes. They said, if I 1208 00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:15.099 add pitch blend to this and I take salt to this, 1209 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.739 and they wrote it all out. And they just were 1210 00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.780 betting on the wrong horse that they can turn one 1211 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:26.420 element into another, turn lead into gold, turn iron into silver. 1212 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:30.090 It turns out you can't do that chemically, but you 1213 00:52:30.110 --> 00:52:32.010 can do it in the nucleus. 1214 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:36.599 Dang, you

just went to another level of what? 1215 00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.159 We can take the atom, remove the electrons, get down 1216 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:43.429 to the nucleus, toss out or add protons to the nucleus, 1217 00:52:44.090 --> 00:52:45.510 and you have cosmic alchemy. 1218 00:52:45.730 --> 00:52:47.670 It's like playing God, that's amazing. 1219 00:52:47.989 --> 00:52:50.630 Well, if you see God as having dominion over atoms, 1220 00:52:51.130 --> 00:52:53.250 but if I take a rock and put it from 1221 00:52:53.329 --> 00:52:55.110 here to there, are you saying I'm playing God? No, 1222 00:52:55.130 --> 00:52:56.489 you say I picked up the rock and moved it 1223 00:52:56.489 --> 00:52:57.780 12 feet, right? 1224 00:52:57.800 --> 00:52:59.820 No, totally, I just meant like a metaphor. 1225 00:53:00.099 --> 00:53:03.239 But even so, I'm saying, even metaphorically, I have the 1226 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:04.860 strength to pick up a rock and move it. You're 1227 00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:06.719 not saying I'm playing God. But now I have the 1228 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.429 knowledge and the power to split an atom. To me, 1229 00:53:10.449 --> 00:53:11.750 that's no different than moving the rock. 1230 00:53:12.409 --> 00:53:12.829 I get that. 1231 00:53:12.849 --> 00:53:14.809 It's interacting with nature that surrounds me. 1232 00:53:14.809 --> 00:53:16.170 Why are you doing the rock? Why are you trying 1233 00:53:16.210 --> 00:53:18.010 to be God? 1234 00:53:18.130 --> 00:53:19.610 Leave the rock alone. 1235 00:53:20.070 --> 00:53:22.400 No, I love that. I've just always been interested in 1236 00:53:22.409 --> 00:53:24.940 it because I think that's just the basics of how 1237 00:53:24.980 --> 00:53:26.719 science was always present, and I wish that I would 1238 00:53:26.739 --> 00:53:28.780 have been. I would have known all of that when 1239 00:53:28.820 --> 00:53:31.139 I was a kid, like knowing all those just helpful 1240 00:53:31.179 --> 00:53:31.800 medicinal things. 1241 00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:35.000 And those helpful medicinal things, that was knowledge not accessible 1242 00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.539 to everyone. The shaman had that, or the medicine man 1243 00:53:38.579 --> 00:53:41.019 had that. And sometimes they would know how it worked, 1244 00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:43.380 but they wouldn't tell you. And then you'd come into 1245 00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:45.260 the tent, and they'd rub something on, and it would 1246 00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:45.880 just be magically. 1247 00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:46.980 That was their way of dominating. 1248 00:53:47.019 --> 00:53:48.739 That was their way. And I can tell you, as 1249 00:53:48.780 --> 00:53:52.389 a scientist, I will tell you everything that we know 1250 00:53:52.469 --> 00:53:54.440 that gives us power over nature. But if I didn't 1251 00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.559 tell you that, oh my gosh, we would be in 1252 00:53:57.880 --> 00:53:59.550 complete charge of the world. 1253 00:54:00.699 --> 00:54:01.619 Oh, God, yeah, you would. 1254 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:02.760 Yeah, if I say, here, speak into. 1255 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:04.059 Do you not feel like you are right now? 1256 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:06.380 No, if I say. 1257 00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:07.820 I think you're confused. 1258 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:11.280 Speak into this device, and I will transmit your voice 1259 00:54:11.780 --> 00:54:13.269 to another place and another time. 1260 00:54:13.289 --> 00:54:14.980 Yeah, it's the first time someone saw fire and went, oh, 1261 00:54:14.989 --> 00:54:16.449 my God, you're a god. 1262 00:54:16.829 --> 00:54:18.590 And then you hear your voice over there, and you say, oh, 1263 00:54:18.670 --> 00:54:20.690 my gosh, how did you do that? You're a magician. 1264 00:54:20.789 --> 00:54:22.949 And I will not explain to you electricity and wires 1265 00:54:23.050 --> 00:54:26.019 and magnets and all the rest. I can leave that out, 1266 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:28.940 and then you will come leaving gifts at my doorstep. 1267 00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:29.619 Yeah. 1268 00:54:29.869 --> 00:54:33.010 Yeah, so that's the difference between science and magic. In science, 1269 00:54:33.550 --> 00:54:34.739 we explain what we do. 1270 00:54:35.090 --> 00:54:36.840 Yeah, you have to. 1271 00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:37.679 We do, we want to. 1272 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:38.039 Yeah. 1273 00:54:38.059 --> 00:54:39.420 Because we want to bring everybody with us. 1274 00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:43.900 Yeah. I wish I had grown up with someone like 1275 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.300 you around me. I would have loved that. 1276 00:54:46.699 --> 00:54:47.559 Thanks for being on Star Trek. 1277 00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:49.440 Yes, thank you for having me. 1278 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.480 And good luck with the album. Sometimes you need luck, unfortunately. 1279 00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:52.980 Thank you. 1280 00:54:53.260 --> 00:54:55.860 You know what? I just need to be happy. With 1281 00:54:55.900 --> 00:54:56.639 the meaning of life. 1282 00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.079 I've got it figured out, so I can't lose. 1283 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:02.619 You can't lose. Even if the album doesn't do well, 1284 00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:04.199 you know the meaning of life. 1285 00:55:04.219 --> 00:55:06.110 I know the meaning of life, so y'all lose. 1286 00:55:06.369 --> 00:55:09.409 Exactly. And I'm not telling you any of my secrets. 1287 00:55:09.449 --> 00:55:11.610 I'm not a scientist. All right, so good luck on 1288 00:55:11.630 --> 00:55:12.869 the tour and keep it going. 1289 00:55:13.010 --> 00:55:13.469 Thank you.