บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Ahsoka • S1 E5

better part of New Jersey? Perfect? Perfect, Okay, we're in good 31 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.200 plans. We'll talk about football in a little bit. But yeah, back 32 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:12.759 to this episode, let's you kind of talk Aaron. You go first as 33 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.280 someone who I know is so invested in a Soka. You fell in love 34 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:16.319 with her at a very young age, you've kind of grown up with her. 35 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:22.840 What was it like to go back to seeing young Ahsoka on screen with 36 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.599 Anakin, seeing older Ahsoka on screen with Anakin, seeing the culmination of that 37 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:30.520 journey They've been some up. The most emotionally impactful thing has happened to you 38 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.000 this year? In thirty seconds on Are if you don't mind, just like 39 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:37.719 tears streaming down my face, like, oh my god, Like the immediate 40 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:43.439 when she fell and it did that dust I had this feeling. I was 41 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:46.240 like, it's going to be a flashback. Holy It's going to be a 42 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:47.759 flashback. And then like you started to see her and I was like, 43 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:53.319 oh, oh my god. I started like freaking out and I saw clone 44 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:58.680 go by and I lost it. I was like, oh just oh my 45 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:00.360 god. My parents were like I was, I go no, and my 46 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:05.360 mom's like, what what's wrong? And I'm like it's so good, Like 47 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:10.960 you don't understand what's about to happen, Like like oh my god, I 48 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:15.199 just let's give it. Let's give a quick summary for those who either haven't 49 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.039 seen the show, in which case I really am questioning your life decisions, 50 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.960 but I'm happy you're here listening and we can get you brought up to speed, 51 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:23.919 or those who may have seen it a couple months ago but are only 52 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:29.879 listening to our coverage now. So the summary is, while investigating Ahsoka's disturbance 53 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:32.479 along with his mother, Jason, Sindula senses that Ahsoka is in the world 54 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:36.800 between worlds. They never used that language, but we'll talk about that in 55 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.759 a bit, revealing his own connection with a Force, which also was huge. 56 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:45.960 Anakin explains to Ahsoka because Anakin is there. Anakin explains to Ahsoka that 57 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:49.599 he'd been watching her through the Force and deduces that her loss with Skull is 58 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:53.199 partially due to her unresolved guilt over the events that drove them apart. Ahsoka 59 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.960 loses a duel with Anakin and relives fragments of her past during the Clone Wars 60 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.560 relives, Ahsoka refus uses Anakin's teachings, determined to not be held back by 61 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:05.879 the past, leading to another duel between them. Ahsoka wins, accepting that 62 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:11.800 she wasn't part of the reason for Anakin's downfall and chooses to live. Ahsoka 63 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:15.439 is recovered by Sindula's crew, but Sindula is contacted by Mathma, who informs 64 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.959 her that the New Republic forces are en route to take her and Ahsoka into 65 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:24.160 custody. Just before they do, Ahsoka recruits a pot of pergle to take 66 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:30.160 her to Ezra while Sindula stays behind. That is sorry, Yeah that was 67 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.839 apol smory capture the pure emotion and mind blowing this, but now it was 68 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.360 all the facts. No, I wish I could take credit for it. 69 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:41.399 The wiki page for ah Soca is really on board. Often they give kind 70 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:44.360 of the like, we don't want to spoil you this time. They're not 71 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.800 worrying about that. They're just like, here's the spoilers, here's what happened 72 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:50.639 in the episode. So, yeah, beautiful, let's talk about Ahsoka and 73 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:57.160 Anakin. Because I have to admit, about five minutes into the episode, 74 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.240 I was really unsure how I was going to feel about it. I know 75 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:06.759 these are fighting words and and for me, I have said on a couple 76 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:13.360 of occasions that I really want to see the moment when Ahsoka learns that Anakin 77 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.560 turned back, you know, like like whether it's from Luke or from Anakin 78 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:21.120 himself or whatever it was. And also I don't love mystery boxes. I 79 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:27.040 like to know what is actually happening. And we didn't really get an explanation 80 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.120 of what was going on, and we kind of jumped into this thing where 81 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:34.040 it felt at first like like this was just going to be more of Anakin 82 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:40.240 and everything was fine training Ahsoka, and we quickly realized, you know, 83 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:42.439 quarter a third of the way into the episode, we realized that was not 84 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.279 happening. But at first my hackles were pretty far up. How did you 85 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.079 all respond to the first couple of minutes of this? You know, I 86 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:54.879 also was at the very beginning, you know, when they when they met, 87 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:58.439 I was expecting, you know, flashbacks to be exactly what they were, 88 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.560 a flashback, but it

felt more like Ahsoka was being brought on this 89 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:06.079 journey by at least some version of a sentient Anakin, which to me, 90 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:11.399 it does make sense seeing as you know, he was created by the force, 91 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:15.000 so it makes sense if anyone could you know, sustain their you know, 92 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:19.680 consciousness after death to this degree and move through the force and through time, 93 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:26.240 it would be him as a guide. But I also was the whole 94 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.639 episode, I was waiting for the apology from Anakin or like some like moment 95 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:34.959 of Ahsoka realizing he'd come back to the light. But at the end it 96 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:40.279 didn't bother me because I felt like there was still a resolution that was that 97 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:43.439 was coming from the very beginning. I don't know what he wouldn't know. 98 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.519 I totally agree because I wanted the same thing. I wanted them to like 99 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.519 have some sort of closure. I wanted them to like talk through things, 100 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:56.120 and we got nothing like that. But the episode ended and it just she 101 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:00.680 did her what I call Gandalf the Gray to Ahsoka the white. Yeah, 102 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.240 she did that, and she came back and just like everything about her presence 103 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:08.160 was lighter. It was Ahsoka again. She smiled like she I have no 104 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:11.680 idea. She's making jokes like to a Troid who she knows, don't care, 105 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:14.560 like you're so you're so right now, Like I picked up on the 106 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:19.759 same thing, like there's a very distinct difference between pre Siege of Mandoras Soca 107 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:25.399 and post SiGe of Mandoras Sooka. Yeah, and she has carried this, 108 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:29.959 especially in Rebelence when she realized that Vader was Anakin. She has carried this 109 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.959 guilt and this heaviness for so long, and it felt like this's gonna free 110 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:40.279 her and we're gonna see like new levels of skills and abilities and just trust 111 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.480 in the force in herself. And I think this will help her bridge the 112 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.360 gap that's been holding her back from training Sabine once she's able to find her. 113 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:49.279 Yeah, I totally agree. Like like I said, it was those 114 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:53.000 first few minutes that bothered me, and I think it was really when he 115 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:56.079 kind of knocks her off the bridge and she falls and we're back in the 116 00:07:56.120 --> 00:08:00.560 Clone Wars and we get to see some of those moments from from her first 117 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.199 battle or one of her first battles and then get to see the redo of 118 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.759 the Siege of mandalor that. It was just so powerful to me and I 119 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.639 really love that. Aaron. We were able to talk a bit last episode 120 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:13.680 about how we were getting a little frustrated with how brooding she was, and 121 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:18.120 I there are ways in which I think for me, this again kind of 122 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.879 confirms like just I think it's better if they just release all the episodes at 123 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:26.000 once, because I think it would have been not as frustrating if we've been 124 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.680 waiting week for week for a week, but it was still just it made 125 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.159 me be like, Okay, now I know why they did it. I 126 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.159 recognized that they knew they were not doing Ahsoka wrong, like that that was 127 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.240 not what Zsoka's supposed to be, and it led to this payoff and it 128 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:43.919 was so worth it. Yeah, Alex, you look like you thoughts I 129 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.159 just you know, I actually have them. The first episode, I thought 130 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:52.639 the broodiness of her was very reflective of what we saw in Rebels towards the 131 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.720 end of Rebels, especially because of this sudden guilt she was carrying. She 132 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.440 like, you know, in the corn Wars she is so light and okay, 133 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:03.000 it's actually let me let me, let me back up for a second. 134 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:07.240 I feel like the Clone Wars show as a whole, you know Ahsoka. 135 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:11.639 You see Ahsoka mature, and she starts off very you know, inexperienced 136 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:16.720 and bright and light, and she becomes darker, a little darker, a 137 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:22.000 little more chading, and part of that is she's being trained by Anakie Skywalker. 138 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:28.120 And I think that that actually hit home more in the live action than 139 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.720 it ever did in the Clone Wars, like something just clicked of oh my 140 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:37.320 god, she was a child soldier being trained under one of the most dangerous 141 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:41.879 and violent Jedi you know ever, and it just really emotionally hit and to 142 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:46.679 me, that trauma that she experienced, like it made sense that she's brooding 143 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:52.480 and so, you know, introverted while she's carrying this gill and and I've 144 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:54.039 been waiting, like you guys have said, for this moment where she could 145 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.519 release that guilt and you know, be free of it. And you know, 146 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:03.240 I think

and we have that finally. No, absolutely, like the 147 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.720 broodiness made sense to me, and that's why I've been okay with it. 148 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:09.080 You know, like I've said before on the show, I haven't said this 149 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.720 to you, Alex, but I watched The Mandalorian before I watched Rebels. 150 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.919 So when I saw her on screen in The Mandalorian, I was like, 151 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.840 who is this okay? Look, when Disney bought Lucasfilm, I had this 152 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:24.679 weird beef because I was convinced Disney ended The Clone Wars and then when they 153 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:26.639 came out with the new cartoon show, I was like, you'll never be 154 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:28.919 the Clone Wars. And I didn't watch it until after it was all done 155 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.080 because that was And how do you feel about yourself? Now you feel like 156 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:39.559 a fool. I missed a lot. I'll say that slaps Rebels is mad 157 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:46.000 good. I still personally put Clone Wars above. They're indicating that they like 158 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.919 it, just want to translate from the youth, the Clone Wars is the 159 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.799 better show. I agree, But Rebels, there's something about it that just 160 00:10:54.000 --> 00:11:01.399 it feels so homey, and it is. Yeah, there's something very special 161 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.240 about a show that's based around one planet that we don't get in Star Wars 162 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:09.000 and one crew of people. It's like, it doesn't jump around as much 163 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.519 as all of Star Wars as it's one family basically, and it's it's I 164 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.519 think like in some ways, I think it helped to kick off the current 165 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.720 like Disney TV era, because like and Or, like Mandalorian, it's not 166 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.919 about the people who were the like the heroes were always going to remember, 167 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.440 you know, Yeah, Harris and Doulah is going to be like, if 168 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.039 you read a paragraph about how the Empire was overthrown, you're never going to 169 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:35.519 hear Harrison Dula's name mint you know, it's going to be pages and pages 170 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:39.200 down. And yeah, I love that. Going back to I think the 171 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.279 thing about the brooding ness, I think part of how it worked in Rebels 172 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:46.720 is that Ahsoka was never the main character. She was the kind of like 173 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:52.480 there's the direct object in the indirect object, we never expect hut. We 174 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.320 never expected much character growth from Ahsoka. She was there to sort of help 175 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.879 the plot of everyone else along, and then she got to have incredible moment 176 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:05.759 and then was gone. And I think I understood her broodiness absolutely completely. 177 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:09.600 It just wasn't much fun to watch after two or three episodes. It is 178 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.240 kind of all my point, and I think, like that's fair. I 179 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.159 you know, I think I would have enjoyed I think the last two episodes 180 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.120 would have been a lot more enjoyable if it had all been at once. 181 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:22.519 But I do think that, Like, however I feel about how they did 182 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.240 the broodyness, knowing that it led to this doesn't make me feel much better 183 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.519 about it. That was just more kind of my point. I agree. 184 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:33.320 Yeah, I was just so happy to have an episode about Ahsoka, not 185 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.279 Sabine, because I like Sabine a lot. I do, but I just 186 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.639 want I've been wanting that growth from Ahsoka and now we have it, so 187 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:46.600 now I'm like actually excited to get back to Sabine. Yeah, I think 188 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.519 that's a really good way to put it, and I think that's kind of 189 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.360 exactly what I am. One of the cool thing you talked about her shift 190 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:56.399 from Ahsoka the gray to Ahsoka the white and very kind of like Lord of 191 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.320 the Rings reference and the white out that she's in. It's not just white 192 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.919 outfit, it's the outfit she wears at the very end of Rebels when she 193 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.879 comes, and so the timing is a little bit, you know, flunky, 194 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.200 but who cares, you know. It was just such a great throwback 195 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.399 the way so much of this has been a great throwback to Rebels all throughout. 196 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.159 Yeah, it was so weird seeing Ahsoka with no headband. I've never 197 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:20.799 seen a togu does hair line before, never seen it. My mom was 198 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:22.559 like, what is that. I was like, leave her alone, it's 199 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.720 her hairline. That's me for a loop as well, I won't lie. 200 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:31.480 I also have the transition that they did to young Ahsoka, and we'll talk 201 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.720 about the actress who played her in a second, because she was amazing, 202 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.279 but just like because she falls and then she's in shadow and dust and at 203 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.360 first, like you don't realize who it is, and then if she's like 204 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.120 coming forward, she looks so much younger. To me, I just was 205 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.440 blown away. To me, that

was just such incredible storytelling of how they 206 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.639 did that reveal, particularly because it's it's young Ahsoka's body and it's an actress 207 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:58.519 playing her, but it was clearly the consciousness of the older Ahsoka in that, 208 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.320 which I just thought was such a way to tell the story. Again, 209 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.399 Yeah, I loved that the flashbacks were in a sentient way, like 210 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:09.559 it was Ahsoka who she is now in a flashback, and it's Anakin who 211 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.879 he is now also in a flashback, right, and like it was it 212 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.639 see there you go ahead. It was interesting to me because it's like, 213 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.159 you know, Anakin is sentient, you know, he knows what's going on, 214 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.759 but he's still so in it. He's like, come on, let's 215 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:24.799 fight a war. She's like, yo, aren't we here? Like you 216 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.000 have something to say to me? Like I don't want to spend time here, 217 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.080 like can we just get through it? And he's like, come on, 218 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:33.519 the battle's going on, which felt very Anakin. To be honest, 219 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.759 it did feel very Anakin, and like, I know, it's just the 220 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.120 point we're going to discuss later. Apparently because Matthew is hating Christen hater I 221 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:43.399 just found out. I absolutely am not absolutely I'm not, but go ahead. 222 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.480 I just want to say that I felt like I have waited, and 223 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.720 I tried to explain this to my to my partner, who who doesn't love 224 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.559 Star Wars as nearly much the ido, but really try, she really tries, 225 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:01.879 and I tried to explain to her that I was eight years old in 226 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:05.480 two thousand and five when you know the show came out or two and six 227 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:07.679 whatever I came wait you did to come out five? I think it was 228 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:13.559 eight oh eight, okay, when I was eleven years old. But what 229 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:15.919 I can't do math what a point is I was eleven years old when it 230 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:20.559 came out, and I have waited about fifteen years at this point to see 231 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.799 a live action version of these characters that like, you know, I grew 232 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:30.799 up just loving, like loving Ahska, wanting to see Hayden Christensen in that 233 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:35.240 Clone Wars armor for oh my long, and just like it almost didn't feel 234 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.200 real when I saw it, and you see live action Captain Rex, even 235 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.480 if it was just for a moment, so I just it just it just 236 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.799 I was it was almost like I couldn't even believe it was really happening on 237 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:52.360 this Yeah, yeah, And I think this is something that's going to be 238 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.919 so different for our experience versus someone like Matthew's age who didn't grow up on 239 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:00.080 the prequels in the Clone Wars, where your favorite characters have always been live 240 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.559 action. You got that. We've sat here like my favorite character is a 241 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.039 cartoon. She's considered secondary. A lot of fans don't know about her. 242 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:11.440 People are gonna trash me when I say that's my favorite character just because she's 243 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.559 not live action, and now they don't get to say that. No, 244 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.840 it's so true. And to be very clear, I made a joke before 245 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.120 then about how this is the worst of the three people who have played Anakin 246 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:30.480 slash Vader and you're talking that track but you can't. But that's okay. 247 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.759 No, here's the thing, and what I mean by that is, and 248 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:38.399 I will admit before the Obi Wan show, I thought Hayden Christensen was a 249 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:44.720 bad actor because and part of I think the generational divide you're talking about is 250 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.240 really important. And Aaron I've said before and Alex will say to you as 251 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:49.639 well. It's why I love having you on the show because I think it's 252 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:53.639 important that fans of my generation not be the only ones who are represented on 253 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:57.639 the show, and that I've learned so much by hearing you talk about that 254 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.279 and how important it is. I will say that at this point, my 255 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.880 favorite character is Hondo Anaka. So I haven't had my favorite character on live 256 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:07.920 action yet, but I do hear what you mean. I grew up with 257 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.720 being live action and then the cartoons, the animated being a secondary thing. 258 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.119 So and I want to say more about that second. But just in terms 259 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.640 of Hayden what I mean, I think there's two things here. To me, 260 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:19.480 I think, like I said, I didn't think he was a good 261 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:26.440 actor. Then I saw Obi Wan and I still don't think he's Matt Latner. 262 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.279 The animated voice. To me is just that is my Anakin, and 263 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:36.079 you know James ol Jones is also my Anakin, and that you know he 264 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:40.880 was my Vader, and in part

because the prequels, probably because I watched 265 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.079 them as an adult, but they didn't. He always felt wrong to me. 266 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:45.799 It always felt like this is not the person whoever grows up to be 267 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.400 James ol Jones. I just never believed it, and I've come to believe 268 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:53.559 that that is in large part because of bad dialogue and bad direction, Because 269 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:59.200 I said, I believe at this point that mac Hayden has some good acting 270 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:03.119 skills. I just think Matt Latner's better. And that's only mean when I 271 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:06.200 said the third best. It's not hate for him. I think he did 272 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:08.920 a good job in this. I think the daging is awful and I really 273 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.480 wish they would not doing that, and you know, if he's in the 274 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.200 force somehow, just let him be the age that Hayden Christiansen is now. 275 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.119 But yeah, so so just to kind of clear that up, it's not 276 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.839 that I hate Hayden. I think I used to. For sure. I've 277 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:25.960 come to believe that if Natalie Portman could be that bad in this prequels, 278 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.240 than any good actor could be. And but that's why I think it's really 279 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.440 important. Like I love hearing that perspective that for you how important he was, 280 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:36.279 having grown up with him and having grown up with with the Clone Wars, 281 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.279 wanting to see him in the live action because that's it's not a perspective 282 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.960 that I would understand, you know, having seen it at such a different 283 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:48.119 age. Yeah, I hated my Hayen defense time now or later? Are 284 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.079 you go ahead? No? Go for it? Okay, great, but 285 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:53.519 not hating him, I understand it. No hate. I mean I think 286 00:18:53.559 --> 00:19:00.680 for me, you know, I actually okay. My opinion might differ from 287 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.920 a lot of people's on this, but if you look at the character of 288 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:10.400 Anakin Skywalker, he was taken from his only parental figure, after living through 289 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:14.240 Slavery's entire childhood when he was only ten, taken over his mom to be 290 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:18.359 thrown into an order of monks who you're taught to not show emotion, and 291 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:23.079 from that young age is slowly like you know, brainwashed by the most evil 292 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:26.720 man and maybe ever live in the history of the galaxy in Palpatine. And 293 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:33.519 then you have him with his skill level quickly evolving and with already having

you 294 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.960 know, you know, the level of you know, impulsivity he has, 295 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:38.759 and then a war breaks out and so at one of the most you know, 296 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:41.960 critical moments of you know, someone's development, he's now thrown to a 297 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.119 war. And I mean he's twenty two when he becomes Darth Vader, like 298 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.839 you know, yeah, but we were graduating college, you know, you 299 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.039 were not fullyed of up, you were young and I feel like, to 300 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.799 me, the way Hayden portrayed Anakin was clumsy, inexperienced, awkward, and 301 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:02.880 that is how I picture a teenage trying to figure out what the hell he 302 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:06.160 is to be like, it's almost like you're, you know, in real 303 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:10.039 person terms, it's like you're going through puberty and you know, you realize, 304 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:11.000 like, oh, I might be good at some sport or something, 305 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:14.799 but you don't only know how to like interact or you know, if you're 306 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:18.400 like a child producty he goes to college when you're you know, twelve or 307 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:23.039 something like. Anakin was more talented and skilled than maybe any Jedi outside of 308 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.480 like Yoda and Wind as far as like, you know, white saber skills, 309 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:30.319 and his you know, Catcher of the Force was deeper than probably anyone's 310 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:33.599 except for Yoda's. And he's trying to figure all of us out without any 311 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:37.519 real direction because we're in the middle of a war. He has Pelp with 312 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.960 to manipulating him. And so Hate's performance was actually to me how I think 313 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:48.079 Anakin really was this awkward, weird, kind of confused guy. And then 314 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.240 because he never felt like he had that home or that connection that he had 315 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.720 with his mother, you know, he follows to the dark side, and 316 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.519 the James Earl Jones performance, we get we're seeing twenty years later, twenty 317 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:06.039 years of evil, isolation, darkness that matures him into this brooding, evil 318 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:10.480 character that we see Invader that's a little more refined and you know, but 319 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.279 at twenty two, I don't know. To me, it always so like 320 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:18.240 that is exactly how I would picture an unstable white man to be before he 321 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.039 became evil, and that is completely legitimate, and I don't want to discount 322 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.599 a word of that. I and to me, all of that I think 323 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:30.519 Matt Lattner captured perfectly. When I also love Matt latter I want to. 324 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:34.359 I love him and the Colon Wars. When I watched Hayden Christensen, I 325 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:40.039 didn't get any What I got was an actor reading bad dialogue who never actually 326 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:42.079 felt into the character. And it may well be that like because again I 327 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:47.240 was about the same age. It's funny we went to see Phantom Menace, 328 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:49.920 as I get that was our my graduating college so I kind of like aged 329 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:52.759 up with him in that kind of a way. It wasn't what I saw, 330 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.079 but I think that's that's the great thing is like, it doesn't have 331 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:02.920 to be and to me and this he I guess maybe it's part of it 332 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:06.960 is that because again I never had an emotional connection to Hayden's version. I 333 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.519 never had any desire to see Hayden in live action with Ahsoka. Like if 334 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:14.640 you'd put him in the suit and had Matt Latner's voice, I'm happier. 335 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.119 But it still worked, you know it. To me, it perfectly conveyed 336 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.000 the emotion between them, and I absolutely love that for the people who were 337 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.720 emotionally invested in that, you got that, because to me, that's what's 338 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.319 most important Feloni is doing here, is he is recognizing that all these different 339 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:34.160 people have all these different approaches to Star Wars, and he's giving all of 340 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.680 us something that we love. And I think that's amazing to me. That's 341 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:44.839 masterful storytelling, for sure. Yeah, for sure. So let me ask 342 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:49.079 this, what was happening? Like this review is saying that it's the world 343 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:52.200 between worlds. Those words were never actually spoken, but I think it's a 344 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:59.720 clear indication of that. Was this, Like was it Anakin pretending to be 345 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:03.039 the dark side so that he could get Ahsoka to face? That was it 346 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:08.960 that the essence of Anakin actually is still the essence of Vader, and Ahsoka 347 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.519 head to defeat him, Like what was going on here? What do you 348 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:18.880 think? The way I saw it is like the Anakin that is a current 349 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.839 being in the force is an Anakin we saw at the very beginning and the 350 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:26.920 very end of their interactions. He's pretty calm. He's there to help, 351 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:32.880 you know, like a pretty just like stable, but still like

powerful and 352 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:38.920 intense being. And I think the foreshadowing they had throughout those flashbacks of you 353 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:44.119 know, like Vader music here and there, like lightning strikes and it looks 354 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.720 like Vader, you know, things like that. I think that part of 355 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:52.279 the flashbacks is Ahsoka having to grow through and recognize the stages of Anakin to 356 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:56.599 that point where he is evil. We see him as he was on Mustafar. 357 00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:59.759 He has like the Sith eyes, he's got his scar and they're fighting 358 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:03.880 with red Saber, and she has that moment where she is seeing the person 359 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:10.200 she I'm not gonna say hates the most, but a person that has caused 360 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:14.799 her so much pain and has caused so many people so much pain. And 361 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.599 she stops and she does that like like she's thinking about killing him, and 362 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.839 she drops the lightsaber and says, I choose to live, and he steps 363 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.960 back still in Mustafar Anakin for a moment, and then it passes. So 364 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:30.680 to me, that was like a trial, like she passed her trials almost. 365 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:37.319 I tend to agree for the most part, I to me, Anakin, 366 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.160 I mean again, I'm going to reference a moment in the Clone Wars 367 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:45.319 the Mortis are you know, there's the three gods of the Force essentially, 368 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:51.039 and the Father is impooring Anakin to take his place as the anchor of the 369 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:55.200 force essentially. Yeah, and Anakin was created as a version. He is 370 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.400 balanced like that is his entire thing. She was, you know, twenty 371 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:00.960 two years in light, twenty two years of the dark. He pretty much 372 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:06.160 is his exact lifespan. And I to me, he dies and now he 373 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:10.839 has full command of all aspects of himself, so he can choose to bring 374 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:15.440 out the Anakin, the calm demeanor or the dark side and the vader in 375 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.039 him that like, you know, he needs to show ah Soca. He 376 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:23.279 even makes a point where Ahsoka references what he became and Anakin very nonchalantly says, 377 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.759 is that what this is about yea, that's what you're mad about. 378 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.279 Like, I love it moment me too. To me, it's him very 379 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:33.599 much showing that he is going to use both sides. And the last quick 380 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.720 thing on note is I don't know if anyone wants anyone else picked up on 381 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.119 this, but there's a moment where they're locked in lights of her combat when 382 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.039 he has this red saber out and it's very intentional, I think, where 383 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:47.720 it reflects in Asilka's eyes in such a way where it almost looks like she 384 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:52.640 has Sithias for a second and she looks very intense, and I don't even 385 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.200 think that was just reflection. I think she was supposed to have sith like 386 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:00.759 they gave her this contact for a second. Yeah to me, you know 387 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:04.200 that to me was like there was and again a ruffishon the Coln wars, 388 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.519 there's a wildness in her. There was a darkness in her seeds planted by 389 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:12.440 Anakin, intentionally or not, and she had to overcome not only is her 390 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:17.559 guilt with Anakin, but those like dark sides, you know, that evil 391 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:19.480 seeds. And I'm sure she feared that if she, you know, let 392 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:22.880 herself feel too much emotion, that she too could fall down that path, 393 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:29.240 and so I think she's forced because of Anakin's choices there to face that side 394 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.359 of herself. And like you said, Aaron said, you know, she 395 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:36.920 drops her lightsaber and chooses to live and not to kill Anakin and to overcome 396 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.759 that, And so I think she weren't from Anakin that same mastery over her 397 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.680 darkness and her dark side, because that's yeah, I'm not going to go 398 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:48.079 into a whole to go into something else, but I'm going to stop part 399 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.200 of what I love. I want to get back to the original question, 400 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.599 but part of what I love about that moment when she drops it, it's 401 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:57.200 exactly what Luke did to him, Like it's the the Luke dropping his saber 402 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:02.839 because he refuses to keep fighting Vader, and it was so powerful in terms 403 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:04.599 of kind of like the metaphysics of what's happening there. I think of very 404 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.559 much agree with what we both are coming from. I think Alex I had 405 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.400 a somewhat different take than you did, but I think you may have at 406 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:15.000 least given me some thought that either one could be true, because what I 407 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.480 was remembering was when in the World between Worlds and in other similar things like 408 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:23.680 Caanan and Ezra had both been tested, and Caanan especially is seeing Yoda, 409 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.160 and I haven't seen the episode in a while, but my clear memory

is 410 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.240 that he kind of asks, like, is this really Yoda? And the 411 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:38.000 implication is given that it's like, it's not that like the actual physical person 412 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.759 of Yoda enters into this world between worlds as well. It's that it's the 413 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:48.559 Force itself manifesting and very much being a manifestation of Yoda, because Yoda is 414 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.319 a part of the Force. But that like if somehow Caanan were able to 415 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.359 go find Yoda after all of this, you know, Yoda would be like, 416 00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.880 I don't know what you're talking about. I wasn't there with you and 417 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.079 I And that's the kind of the So the impression I had is that it 418 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.960 was sort of like the Force was testing her the same way it tested Canaan 419 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.759 and Ezra and many others in Rebels, and it was testing her through Anakin 420 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.400 and then Anakin is in the Force, and so it was that but that 421 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:21.559 like if somehow an Ahsoka later were to talk to Force ghosts Anakin, that 422 00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:22.759 Anakin would be like, I don't know what you're talking about, Like, 423 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.839 but I also do like your idea that it might be that he's not just 424 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.640 a regular force ghost, that he is this now essence of the force in 425 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:36.839 that way. Yeah, because either either way, I think the reason why 426 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:40.160 it mattered to me is it because it kind of felt like to me, 427 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.519 Anakin is a fixed point of he has turned back from being Vader, and 428 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.119 this felt like it wasn't just one version of Anakin. It was as kind 429 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.359 of Aaron as you were saying, it was Anakin at many different points. 430 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:55.519 It was sort of this culmination of all the different parts of Anakin, especially 431 00:28:55.559 --> 00:29:00.279 all the different parts of Anakin that Ahsoka had had interacted with. Hear what 432 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:04.480 you're saying for me, I need that to be anakim otherwise, like the 433 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:10.240 growth and closure that I feel for my favorite character of Soca doesn't quite ring 434 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:15.559 the same. Like that's just how it is to me. I agree. 435 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.960 I good. I was just gonna it's really interesting, Matthew, because I 436 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:25.720 actually never I never thought of it that way in my mind. You know, 437 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.319 Yoda, I remember very you know I'm doing I'm doing another Rebels rewatch 438 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.279 right now. So I saw the episode fairly recently, and Yoda makes a 439 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.519 one wine where he says you know, he asks basically like where are we 440 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.039 When he's asked you, he's asked me, you know what, what is 441 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.279 this place? Where? What am I looking at? And to me, 442 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.559 that signified that it was, you know, Yoda making a connection through that 443 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.000 world between worlds, and I think that the only time, you know, 444 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.400 when Rebelts we actually see the physical places that one episode in season four, 445 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.559 and you know, even Palpatine, living thin, Palpatine is able to find 446 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.480 a way to look into it and interact with people through that space. So 447 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:11.599 I feel like it is possible for really powerful force users to you know, 448 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.400 make that connection because you've only seen Anakin, Yoda, and Palpatine do it 449 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.440 intentionally. I feel like, you know, canaan Ezra, and a Silk 450 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.279 are all tested, like you said, but those three force users, who 451 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.480 I would argue, you're probably the three strongest force users we know of in 452 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:29.319 the universe at this point, like we're able to access it on their own. 453 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:30.799 So I don't know that that was my thought process, but that's a 454 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.799 really interesting point I'd never really considered before. To me, that that opens 455 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.079 up a whole another set of questions of if Yoda actually knew that Canaan Jarris 456 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.960 was around. Doesn't that change all the things he says to Luke, but 457 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.279 that that's the whole other can was around too, and there was I mean 458 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.400 I got that technically a Jedi. I'm sorry, No, I get it. 459 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:53.279 I get it well the way sorry I would say. I guess I 460 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:57.279 think she brings me back to that original question though, of so is Anakin, 461 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:03.680 Like is this in Anakin who has himself conquered the dark Side and understands 462 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:10.799 what Ahsoka needs and so he intentionally takes on that dark side milieu or is 463 00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.200 it that she's Because I saw it in a different way, because I see 464 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.279 Alex nodding, is why I'm kind of responding. What I saw it as 465 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:21.640 is that she recognizes that her master and this person who fell to the dark 466 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:27.279 side are the same, and she kind of moves past him. Yeah, 467 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:33.920 I mean there's a sense of moving on definitely, because she's faced this,

468 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.680 like like we were saying before, kind of like this dark side in her 469 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.799 that's been planted by Anakin that she knows of but doesn't want to address. 470 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.079 Is doesn't want to be too powerful, doesn't want to be too obvious, 471 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.839 Like is just trying to stay out of the light to avoid possible consequences. 472 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.519 And yeah, when they like have this moment together, she's able to like 473 00:31:52.720 --> 00:32:00.039 face and overcome the fear of becoming dark. Yeah, And I think I 474 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.240 think just to add to that, a really important thing I think that's drawn 475 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.759 is that this is the first time ever in Star Wars that we see Anakin 476 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:13.359 Skywalker acknowledge that he was Darth Vader and then the same person throughout the rest 477 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:17.240 of the animated shows and everything he is and Obi Wan Clone Wars rebels it's 478 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:22.240 always I destroyed him. Anakid Skywalker was weak. I destroyed it. Beer 479 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:28.359 separate beings even you know you read I read the Thrown book series. In 480 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:32.880 the second book, he even very divergent. It's like he refers to Anaki's 481 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:38.000 past as the Jedi, Like it's very like mentally separated and to me, 482 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.599 in this moment, Anakin, That's why I feel like Anakin is conscious and 483 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.720 scenting here, because it's the first time we see Anakin saying, yeah, 484 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:47.680 you know, I've conquered the dark Side, and I recognize that like I 485 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:52.000 was that person, we are the same, and I can move between them 486 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:55.480 and use that to teach you this lesson. Yeah, I can understand that. 487 00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:58.519 Yeah, And I think I like that as well, because it does 488 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.279 seem like, you know, and this is kind of the history of the 489 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:07.839 Jedi writ large of the you know, we especially if you read some of 490 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:09.480 the High Republic, you know, the time when the Jedi were a lot 491 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:15.440 more open to having romantic or even sexual relationships with other people. It was 492 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.519 as long as it didn't become an attachment. And that yet by the time 493 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.440 that anakin Is is a Jedi, it's now like, no, no, 494 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:23.799 you can't do it all, you know, you have to just be entirely 495 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.480 cut off. And this is something we're talking about about in the books that 496 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:32.200 actually I haven't recorded this yet, but by the time this comes out, 497 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.039 very come out. I did a great episode with Jedi star Killer about this 498 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.319 a couple of months back about like seeing how these relationships have changed, and 499 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:43.759 I think, yeah, it to me, it's really powerful. And of 500 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.200 course it makes sense Thathsoka would have so cut herself off that she won't train 501 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:52.319 Grogu, that she won't make emotional connections, that she's so worried about connecting 502 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.039 with Sabine, And yeah, I think this represents a real shift for her 503 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:05.240 I to Sabine. I think it was an interesting moment when Anakin asked her, 504 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:10.079 do you even want a paddwan? And it got me thinking because it's 505 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:15.119 like this whole Sabine Ahsoka thing, like they've both been trying. You know, 506 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.880 we haven't seen much of it on screen, a lot of it has 507 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.960 happened off screen, but from what we've heard, they both really tried. 508 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.840 They but they just couldn't stop arguing. They're both very determined, both very 509 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:29.719 stubborn, and so then at the end there, when Ahsoka comes back, 510 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.960 she wakes up kind of asks what happened. Hu Yang says, oh, 511 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.960 well, Jason found you, and she kind of smiles. She's like, 512 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:40.320 Jason's here. A part of me wondered, maybe Sabine is not the padawan 513 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:45.920 she's meant to have, and of course training Jason is Hara's worst fear. 514 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.639 A lot of people don't want that, which is understandable, and maybe I'm 515 00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.199 completely wrong, but it's just a thought that kind of popped in my head. 516 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.079 No, I think it makes sense, and I think that whole thing 517 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.480 was so powerful. First of all, we've been asking this for a while. 518 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.880 We got Kan and Jeris mentioned by name, which made me so happy, 519 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:06.000 and yeah, it's it is really interesting. I mean there's a part 520 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:10.400 of me that like, every time we acknowledge a new force, powerful person 521 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.960 who might need to be trained, my next thought is, so is this 522 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:20.840 someone else who Kylo Ren kills because that's like, you know, but but 523 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.360 yeah, it was just it was just so well done. Let's talk about 524 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:29.159 young Ahsoka for a second and the actress who played her. So it's Andrea 525 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:35.199 Gonzalez, sorry it is. It is Alreadyanna Greenblatt, who I definitely recognized. 526

00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.320 I couldn't quite place it, Aaron, you helped me realize. It 527 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:42.719 is the same actress who played Gomorra young Gamorra in the Avengers movie. And 528 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:47.679 for those who have seen the Barbie movie, plays a very significant teenage role 529 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.480 that I'm not gonna say anything more about for those who haven't seen Barbie movie 530 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.559 yet, But it's just an incredible actress in that. Although she should have 531 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:55.559 been allowed to go back to wearing black at the very end, but that's 532 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:59.960 the whole other story entirely. Yeah, So she's just an incredible actress. 533 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:06.199 I never, for a moment didn't believe that this was the Rosaria Dawson aspect 534 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:10.079 of Ahsoka in this person. Yeah, it was incredible, Like just the 535 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.079 emotional age she had, Like that's the best way I can kind of put 536 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:22.239 it. And also she must have done hardcore studying of Rosara Dawson and just 537 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:27.000 her facial expressions, because they were so spot on. Like, I don't 538 00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.480 know, is it just that they actually look that similar, that their faces 539 00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:32.880 stretching over their bone structure looks that similar, or is she that good of 540 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.559 an actress, you know, I think it's got to be both. And 541 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.960 to me, part of what it really nailed down is, as you both 542 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:45.079 were saying earlier, like how horribly traumatic this was to do not only to 543 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.559 adults like Anakin, but to young kids who you know, signed up to 544 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.480 be peacemakers. I just finished and we did an episode on Rise of the 545 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:58.000 Red Blade, which is a book about a person who becomes an inquisitor, 546 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:02.599 and she's about Ahsoka's aid when she first becomes when she's a Padawan and put 547 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.199 into the war. She's maybe a little bit older, and it talks about 548 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.840 how traumatic it was for her as a young Padawan. And I always knew 549 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.800 Ahsoka was a kid. But in animation, and especially when it's an animated 550 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:19.119 version of a non human, I think it doesn't quite hit you as hard, 551 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.920 and I think it would have. It was brilliant to do this because 552 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.519 if it had been Rosario Dawson in those moments, I don't think it would 553 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.840 have hit you anywhere near as hard. Like looking at this, like the 554 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:35.639 actress is sixteen, but she looks like tiny and

very young version of Ahsoka, 555 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.480 it hit me so hard. Of this is a child who is being 556 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:44.639 put into war. That's very true. Yeah, that's what I had mentioned 557 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:49.840 that earlier, because of that exact reaction of like it just never hit in 558 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.719 the Clone Wars like you understood. Like logically you're like, all Righta's like 559 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:57.400 twelve years old right now, but you're like, you know, it's because 560 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.920 of the style and the total direction. You know. I think that when 561 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.400 you look back at like, you know, everything that she went through, 562 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:08.880 I mean like kidnapped, hunted, you know, I mean, sold momentarily 563 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:15.599 a slave, like tortured in every way possible. I mean as a child. 564 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.519 I mean, and you just don't like you if you picture the entire 565 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:24.239 Corner Wars show with live action now that you actually have that physical image now. 566 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:30.840 It's horrifying. It makes the corn Wars feel so much more. It 567 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.679 almost makes it feel even darker and more evil and sadistic, and makes me 568 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.480 like either hate or respect Palpatine's violeness even more at this point, because it 569 00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:44.880 was just I mean, oh my god, Yeah, I mean the whole 570 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:50.280 idea that the heart of Palpatine's plan was to force the Jedi to stop being 571 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:54.519 peacemakers because he knew that going to war would fundamentally break them is just so 572 00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:59.199 perfectly illictal, Like that entire story is done in three minutes in this episode. 573 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:05.840 Yeah, and even tell you just on like Ahsoka, like the parts 574 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.599 where he was just saying like, yeah, when I was a Padawan, 575 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.519 we were meant to be peacekeepers. But it's a warren now, so I 576 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:16.440 have to train you to be a warrior. And like watching the Clone Wars 577 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.840 growing up around her age, like like Alex said, I'm a little younger 578 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:22.960 than you, so I think I was like seven or eight when the show 579 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.639 came out. It's like, yeah, she's just like a badass chick. 580 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:29.440 She's just like killing it. Yeah, go go, like I'm just like 581 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.440 here to support her, not even like kind of thinking like when you're young, 582 00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:37.639 you want to see yourself in that situation doing hard things, but yeah, 583 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.760 like growing into an adult. In my mind, I never processed that

584 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:45.280 she was so young, because the animated version I see on screen is just 585 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:49.320 Ahsoka, and Ahsoka has the emotional aide she has, which is way older 586 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.719 than what she actually is. So yeah, I agree, seeing like someone 587 00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:59.920 who actually looked twelve or fourteen with those green lightsabers running through what I'm assuming 588 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:05.719 was a battle on Ryloth because there was tweet looks everywhere. Yeah, yeah, 589 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:09.000 like and it certainly sounded like Tomorrow Morrison's voice, So I'm very glad 590 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.920 they got him back. You know, there's been some talk about like things 591 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.079 he had said and Star Wars being mad at him, and I really hope 592 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.599 that's not the case because he's an amazing actor and they need to keep him 593 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:22.159 around. But just having like him full grown as Rex in the Armor, 594 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:29.519 which again was amazing, like literally looking down at this much shorter child and 595 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:34.400 asking, you know, and but understanding that he is being commanded by her. 596 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:39.079 It was so effective, so perfect saying nicely done commander to an actual 597 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:45.519 child. Yeah, and then seeing live action clones with their like the helmets 598 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.920 painted like Ahsoka because we know she is like that that was the seed of 599 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.760 Mandalor. Oh that broke my heart. That was That was not the first 600 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.559 time I cried, but I definitely had some peers at that moment too, 601 00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:01.519 seeing that with the Mandalorian like ball painted arm and live action like I I 602 00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:06.360 also like, what I appreciate is it's they've been They've been very kind of 603 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.440 sneaky about things because you know, like that entire time, I'm like, 604 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.719 I don't don't know what I'm gonna see, Like they've they've hinted as Sam 605 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.760 you know, whitworth performing some role in this show. I'm like, if 606 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.679 Darth Maul just gonna make a cameo right now and Mandior or like, you 607 00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.519 know, walk to the whole thing, I'm waiting you and I'm waiting for 608 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.199 you and McGregor to walk on the screen, Like I'm like, what what 609 00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.519 are we gonna get? We're gonna get to more of Morrison and you know, 610 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.679 I think that while like, you know, the childhood partoned me wanted 611 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.320 to see Ewan and Hayden next to each other in corne Wars Armor. I 612 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:40.039 do think that Ewan's presence would have detracted from the gravity of seeing Hayden with 613 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.920 a soaken live auction for that first time. I think it was probably the 614 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:45.679 right choice. I still want to see it one day. I do have 615 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:51.320 to say, if Sam Whitmer had showed up as Darth Maul, I think 616 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.320 Ray Park would have very good reason to be very mad that Hayden was in 617 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:59.079 it, because then you have a like, you know, if Sam is 618 00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.639 Matt Latner and this this dynamic but hear what you're saying. Yeah, absolutely, 619 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.079 but yeah, no, and I agree, I think, I mean, 620 00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.719 I don't wrong. I love Ray Park's physical performance of Darth Baul and 621 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:12.320 Phantom Menace, but his character is ninety nine point nine percent hash it out 622 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.880 in the Cold Wars and Rebels, Yeah, i'd think, but I know 623 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.599 we disagree to speak three words. Yeah, you know, he just breathes 624 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.400 heavily and looks scary. He breathes heavily and you know, you know the 625 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:28.400 last week review Ourselves to the Jedi. It's the only line in the entire 626 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.800 movie. And frankly would have been better if he didn't say that, Like 627 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:31.920 if he was just silent. He didn't sound the whole time right, But 628 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.320 then like you know in the Cold Wars and Rebels say what word? I 629 00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.159 mean, he just has such an amazing performance. When I hear like he's 630 00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.760 someone who I am Like I hear that voice, I'm like, that's that's 631 00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:47.079 starth Maul. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that makes sense. Well, 632 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:50.960 there's so much more we can say about this episode, and we have some 633 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:52.960 feedback I want to get to as well as we will have a bonus section 634 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.800 for members. But what are any last points or questions you guys wanted to 635 00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.159 bring up? Yeah, okay, I'll run through a few. First of 636 00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:00.559 all, she said it was one of our first missions. The outfit she 637 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:06.199 was wearing was modeled after her Season three outfits, so I mean unsure about 638 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:07.320 that, but I know that they didn't want her in a tube top on 639 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:13.159 live action. I didn't want that either. What else. Siege of Mandolor 640 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.679 absolutely beautiful. She fought with the same like we were watching her, you 641 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:21.320 know in the first flashback and she was

like fighting, but I was like, 642 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.480 ah, she's fighting, but like Ahsoka fights, you know. And 643 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:27.599 then we got that scene during the Siege of Mandlor, and I was like 644 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.559 that's how Ahsoka fights. Like, that's what's up? Like she killed that. 645 00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:37.840 So I really loved that. What else the I watched it three times 646 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.679 over this morning because it gives me so many shills. When he pushes her 647 00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.320 back as season seven Siege of Mandelor Ahsoka, she lands on her back as 648 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:51.119 live action adult Ahsoka, and he starts walking towards her with the Darth Vader 649 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:55.559 like smoke behind him, and he does these like shoulder shrugs. I was 650 00:43:55.639 --> 00:44:00.400 like, that's most of our anakiin and he's gonna get you, Like that's 651 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:02.920 exactly who that is. And I just loved it. I loved it. 652 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:08.039 Yeah. I also think just in that vein that the I also thought it 653 00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.320 was ryle Off. I was gonna call it ryle Off. As he's walking 654 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:14.679 away from her on ryl Off and there's like the flash of their chillry Blast 655 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:16.480 going off and you just see him walking away and then it flashes the Vader 656 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:22.199 and back to him Kane. I was like, oh man, it's good. 657 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.079 It's just so good. And I did want to just very quickly touch 658 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:32.000 on Jason. Really his role in this fascinates me because like, like I 659 00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:37.239 don't they can take it so many ways, Like he could be, you 660 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.199 know, a Pacus padawan. He could be trained by no one and like 661 00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.119 just train himself. I don't I don't really know where they're gonna go with 662 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:46.199 it, but I'm just I I want I don't want them to let that 663 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:52.800 plot point die because that's Kanaan's, Ezra's Kanan's legacy, but Jason's also Kanaan's 664 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:54.559 legacy, and I want to see where that goes. And I also wouldn't 665 00:44:54.599 --> 00:45:00.360 be I wouldn't be upset if Ezra trained Jas. I might be unpowerlar, 666 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:04.239 but I think that would be a really cool thing to see. I would 667 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.000 love that. Actually, I think here's the thing for me, and this 668 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.239 is again, it's a generational thing in the same way that Hayden is so 669 00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:15.360 important for you all, and seeing the live action Anakin in the same way, 670 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.880 I need to see Luke train some of these people. And maybe it 671 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.079 is like Luke working with Azro's working with others or like in part because I'm 672 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:28.360 on record that I think there are a lot of great things about the sequels. 673 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.519 I love Ray, I love last Jedi. Less said about the last 674 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:35.920 movie the better, but part of why to me. One of the things 675 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.760 that didn't really land is that we had no idea who the people Luke were 676 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:44.719 training were. And in part because I just want to see more of a 677 00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.239 Sosca with Luke, because I think that's another great way of like the two 678 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:51.760 different parts of Anak, Like in some ways they're both Anakin's children, just 679 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.079 in totally different ways, and I want to see more of them together. 680 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.239 I would love to see, you know, the kind of like all the 681 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.920 Jedi that are running around in this and the and the Padawans and all the 682 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.079 rest somehow that connecting with what like with what Luke is doing, you know, 683 00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:12.280 or it being very different. I mean, I I'm very open also 684 00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.280 to Ahsoka still being like, no, the Jedi made a lot of mistakes 685 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.320 and we're gonna do something different here, like, but whatever it is, 686 00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.239 I just want something like because a part of me was also like, when 687 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.199 these force users show up, We're doing all these things, why isn't Luke 688 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:28.800 coming into this. I know he shouldn't and I don't want him to, 689 00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.239 but it needs gonna be kind of explained to the plot somehow. So yeah, 690 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:36.280 you want like acknowledgment of where is and what he's doing. Yeah, 691 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:38.639 yeah, I also think that he if I don't ever, if I don't 692 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:44.519 get hating christiansen apologizing to Ahsoka or anek apolics to ah Soca, I think 693 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:49.199 that some other not in Ahsoka show, it's other piece of media seeing that 694 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.280 conversation where Luke says to Ahsoka, I was there when he came back, 695 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:58.079 like yes, and them sharing that moment, because I think that will You've 696 00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:04.000 seen Ahsoka and Luke in the same place technically in them in at episode, 697 00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.800 but you don't really see them having a heart to heart moment as deeply as 698 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.199 I would have liked, Like you see them have a very brief conversation, 699 00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.679 but nothing you know. I I'm sorry, I'm tearing up now just thinking 700 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.679 about this, but

like because yeah, I was so frustrated that we didn't 701 00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.920 get that in whichever Mandalorian or Boffet, because they're all basically the same show 702 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:27.480 at this point, but like to have a moment where after all this, 703 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.400 maybe at the end of this or maybe something else. Ahsoka goes to Luke 704 00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:34.719 and says, now I'm ready to hear about Anakin's last moments, like something 705 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.199 like that. You know that the big part of the chain that she wasn't 706 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:39.880 ready like Luke started to tell her, and I'm head cannoning it. I'm 707 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:43.199 sure we'll never get the scene, but God, that would mean so much 708 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.360 to me. It would be a lot to me too, because that would 709 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:50.440 just it would because that would also to me, that would bridge the prequels, 710 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.199 the Originals, it would bridge the animated, It would bridge all of 711 00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:58.400 it together in such a beautiful way, and it would be so emotional, 712 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.679 like you said, it would be emotional for original fans, prequel fans, 713 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.800 animated fans, it would hit every generation pretty much. And to me, 714 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:08.400 if it was very like it feels very obvious that that would have to happen. 715 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.199 I don't know if I want to see Jason and all of them go 716 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.320 to Luke's Jedi Academy. Yeah, I don't want. I don't need Kylo, 717 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:20.800 I don't need them more dying unless there's, like you know, unless 718 00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.239 there's some level of a retcon where some of the people died and some escaped, 719 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:29.559 or or maybe it's like there's multiple schools and Ahsoka leads a different one 720 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:34.000 on a different planet. Yeah, I just because we never really got in 721 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.320 depth about, like did KYLEO kill everybody did because he said they said that 722 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:42.519 some students left with him because I don't want to imagine Jason Cannon's son turning 723 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.320 to the dark side or being murdered in cold blood as a paddle on. 724 00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.920 Yeah, I mean, I think at this point Star Wars just needs to 725 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:53.039 stop ever saying the words the last yeah, because like the key, because 726 00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:57.199 that's the thing is like, but because Rai's hos story is based on the 727 00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.320 fact that she's the only one, even though like but you know, in 728 00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.519 some ways all that's true unless Ben kills all of them that she's not. 729 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.480 So anyway, that's a whole other diggression we can get into. But and 730 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.760 we curious see how it plays out in the rest of this Yeah, so 731 00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.119 good. You just keep going and never stop. I could sit here all 732 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:19.840 night, literally all night, and it will different different things to talk about, 733 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:22.760 all right. We got two quick pieces of feedback that I want to 734 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:27.239 go on. One is we talked about this a little bit before JP had 735 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.880 written in this great question to he wrote it into us. JP had written 736 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.480 into us after episode one, a very long email with a bunch of different 737 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.519 questions. We love all of it and I want to ask you all a 738 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.760 couple more of them, and then we also have a quick question from US 739 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.400 Sunset Skywalker, which is I love the name. So the first question was 740 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.760 though, because I think it's clearly very relevant, JP had asked, will 741 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.719 the World between Worlds indeed play a part in the story? The end credits 742 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:58.280 are a clear callback, and I can see it becoming an alternate means of 743 00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:02.480 travel to any other galaxy. Oh, that's an interesting thought about galaxy travel, 744 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:07.159 but clearly not the way that they went JP. I can answer, 745 00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:08.840 yeah, I will say yes, it does plan an important part, and 746 00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:15.039 yes the credits were foreshadowing. Oh good job, Baron. I didn't call 747 00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.679 it on to the credits part. So I love that that was something I 748 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:23.199 did notice. I was like, it's giving World between Worlds. I want 749 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.599 to I will, I will just to speak to that JP. I think 750 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.119 that they've actually done the World between world is in a really good way because 751 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:34.800 I have I have a very close friend of mine who is just love Star 752 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.000 Wars just as much as we do, and I'm actually gonna be hanging out 753 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:42.719 with him in a bit here, but he actually dislikes the World Between Worlds 754 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.440 as a concept because she feels like it's a little bit of a cop out 755 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:52.119 where you can just there is there is some mechanism built to the universe now 756 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.920 where you can change events, bring back characters that have died, and oulder 757 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:59.159 things. So he feels like it takes away emotional impact of things, like 758 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:02.159 you know, for him, a stolkuld

sacrifice herself to performer Master to save 759 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:06.119 Ezra and Kanaan, and he's like, and the way they brought her back, 760 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:07.599 He's like, if if we had just found out that she had survived 761 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:09.360 the battle in some other way, he would have been playing with it. 762 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.199 But the way that they kind of just pulled her back bothered him. And 763 00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:16.760 I don't necessarily agree that it bothers me, but I think that they were 764 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:22.639 kind of tasteful here where they didn't necessarily have that very clear mechanism in place. 765 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:24.559 So it's not like, you know, let's start pulling people back from 766 00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:29.079 the dead, willy nilly here, let's start like travel between galaxies, you 767 00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.639 know, because that would feel very easy. I looked at they committed to 768 00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:37.840 like a more in very Star Wars fashion, convoluted route to get to our 769 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:43.079 destination of what's hopp into a Purgo's mouth like that. It was very like 770 00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.159 very Star Wars and almost like a not exactly, but like a very slight 771 00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:51.440 little like callback, you know, the one in Falcon being in the exo 772 00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:54.199 Goreth and like, you know, it just feels like this is Star Wars. 773 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:57.840 It's you know, if it was just like, oh, I'm Ahsoka 774 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.639 and I hopped into the War between Worlds and now I'm gonna walk across his 775 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.480 path and ten minutes later I'm meant to do Galaxy, it would feel kind 776 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.239 of I don't know, act me, I'll admit I didn't at first. 777 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.400 I was like a little bit eye rolly about that. Until we got the 778 00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.079 shot through the teeth of the jump into hyperspace. I was like, no, 779 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.519 I'm good. I mean, I love this. I love this so 780 00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:22.320 much. Yeah. I want to say, Alex, the point your friends 781 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.719 made very valid. It's a very valid critique that makes a lot of sense 782 00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:30.519 because it does like, I mean, any show we've talked about this here 783 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:34.519 on the podcast about the Marvel Universe, who's dead, who's not dead, 784 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.719 like the problems of multidimensions. Like it's cool and it's fun to explore, 785 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.920 but if you're not a die hard fan. It's hard to follow. Like 786 00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.519 I've often said, one of the reasons why I love Star Wars is that, 787 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:49.400 unlike almost every other major sci fi franchise or space opera franchise out there, 788 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.800 it doesn't involve time travel because I just think time travel always breaks the 789 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.920 rules of logic in some way, and so that's what's the entire argument. 790 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.159 I had a similar thing about world between worlds, but then I was but 791 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.400 let's just keep Ahsoka, so I'll just ignore my my frustrations with it. 792 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.000 Let me do the one last question here. Yeah, and this is in 793 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.360 directly related to this episode, but it came after the first one. But 794 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:15.239 I think we've learned more so be interesting is Scroll is? The second question? 795 00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.280 Is? Is balin Scroll the first Jedi to turn and bring his padawan 796 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.880 with him? Shinha Tai does have a padawan braid. I think he might 797 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.679 be. What was that dynamic? Like? Did she resist at first? 798 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:30.760 Are they sith I don't believe that they're sith m M. I'll say that 799 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:36.199 real quick. This is a full divulgence, but I wanted to comment on 800 00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:39.920 this before we finished the episode. I rewatched the fight with Balon and Ahsoka 801 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:45.679 after watching the new episode last night, and it was just very interesting to 802 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:50.800 me how she's clearly a more skilled fighter and he comes at it with brute 803 00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:54.320 force, which is kind of how Anakin comes at it sometimes, and so 804 00:53:54.440 --> 00:54:00.679 I thought it was very interesting seeing her fight someone with Anakin's like sty and 805 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:02.840 lose. And at first I was like, this makes no sense. She 806 00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:06.920 would totally top him. But then my dad was like, well, she 807 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:08.320 had one hand burned, could only use one lightsaber. I was like, 808 00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:13.039 okay, this makes sense. Back to the question, well, I'll just 809 00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:15.360 say more on that. I felt like, like, what I thought you 810 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:16.440 could say with one hand is she had one hand time by in her back. 811 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.559 I think the point is that she was holding back in that fight and 812 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:23.079 that she had to and it's the same reason why Anakin defeats her at first, 813 00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:27.239 and she has to let go and stop holding back, and that's how 814 00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.639 she's able to defeat Anakin and now we'll be able to kick his ass. 815 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:36.079 Balen says, I want to answer the question yes asked about. I also 816 00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.880 don't think that they are sith. I actually have an opinion on this of 817 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:45.280 that.

Balen to me, he feels like the most unsif Sith ever, 818 00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:51.559 because he like he very clearly loved the Jedi Order when it was at a 819 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:54.880 certain point, because he keeps a pad on on braids. He makes constant 820 00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.960 comments of like, you know, it's a shame that we have to kill 821 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.039 the last few Jedi. I you know, I you know, I'm saddened 822 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:05.119 by this, and I'm you know, he very he very much speaks in 823 00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.960 nostalgic words about the Order. He says that he lost faith though, and 824 00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:15.159 to me, I think he is one of he maybe not, but he 825 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:17.320 could be one of the Jedi that walked away from the Order when Juku did. 826 00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:22.960 Yeah, and when they you know, they're feeling very disillusioned with how 827 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:28.880 the Jedi Order had been and had what it had become. I don't know 828 00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:31.199 if that would work age wise or not, but it's if not at that 829 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:37.119 period a similar reason to why Juku left of like you know, becoming disillusioned 830 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:39.199 with the how political the Jedi Order and becoming all these things. And but 831 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:44.559 it doesn't mean that he he wanted to completely like you know, forsake it. 832 00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:46.719 I mean, like you know, like uh, who I always say 833 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:52.079 his name wrong? Who? Hugh? Who? Yang? Who? Yang, 834 00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:53.360 thank you. He wanted to say, Hugh Yang doesn't sound right. 835 00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:59.400 Who Yang even reference like makes a remark that both lightsapers are made as Jedi 836 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:05.679 cuss like he trained his padawan to make a white saber in the Jedi fashion, 837 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.119 and Baloni even made a point to comment, but these savers are not 838 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:14.320 meant to be read more of an orange shoe, so like, there's a 839 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:19.800 lot of very distinct differences between the syth and them. And there was also 840 00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:22.719 I can't remember that what it was, but there was someone had brought up 841 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:31.000 their names in Norris mythology, like very distinctly like its yes which loth All 842 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:37.159 imagery. We love that. And I really love where you're going because and 843 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:38.679 I love the Duku connection you made. I hadn't really thought of it until 844 00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:42.880 this question, and then as you started answering it, because I am on 845 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.639 record as saying that I think my least favorite moment in all of Star Wars, 846 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:52.239 other than I Hate Sand is the moment when it's revealed that Douku has 847 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:58.280 been working with Palpatine all along. Because I thought the idea of Doku as 848 00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:04.199 a person who genuinely believe that the Jedi had fallen and genuinely believed that the 849 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:08.280 Republic was corrupt and so genuinely believed that he the best thing was to separate, 850 00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.679 and that as part of breaking away from the Jedi, he was starting 851 00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.639 to say to himself, maybe there are some powers that I could use for 852 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:22.360 good, and that the idea was that this was the beginning of Palpatine slowly 853 00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.119 manipulating him towards the dark side. And I was very frustrated when we found 854 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.679 out no, that actually has already happened. Everything he just said to Obi 855 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.840 Wan is made up. And I kind of love that maybe Balin were getting 856 00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:37.079 that story then, because to me, when he says to Sabine, this 857 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:39.360 is for the good of the galaxy, I'm not doing that. Like when 858 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:43.360 he says to Sabine, this is for the good of the galaxy, I 859 00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:47.199 one hundred percent believed him. I don't think this is him just being wahaha, 860 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:52.480 I want ultimate power like a Sith should. I think he genuinely believes, 861 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.880 like you said, that the Jedi were wrong, but that he can 862 00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.360 do more good by finding Thron, and that Thron can help bring peace and 863 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.239 stability to the to the galaxy. And he always fights when he absolutely has 864 00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.280 to. He never he always sends other people away. He doesn't he doesn't 865 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:09.599 want to have to fight. Yeah, and he even says to Ahsoka, 866 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:14.239 like how inevitable, Like I don't want to have to fight you. Of 867 00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.519 course you would bring this into a fight, Like he condemns her for being 868 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:20.880 someone who's grown up in the Clone Wars as a warrior. Because, like 869 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.000 you're saying, he believes in the truth of the Jedi. I just googled 870 00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:29.400 their surnames. Hati and Skull are a pair of wolves in Norse mythology who 871 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:34.079 are forever cursed to chase heavenly bodies. And that makes sense. It's like 872 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:37.920 he is chasing to find what he believes is the true Jedi. This is 873 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:45.119 crazy, y'all, is crazy, insane. And I also think that uh 874 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:53.880 oh God, our our Datimir reanimated inquisitor, what's his name? Uhc he 875 00:58:54.000 --> 00:59:00.920 has what's his Norse

history? Because him too. But which while you're looking 876 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.639 that up, I want to just kind of double down on what Aaron's saying 877 00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:09.440 of chasing this idea of the perfect Jedi. He doesn't know, but he 878 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:14.519 wants power, Like there is certain levels of wanting power. But I don't 879 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:15.760 think he doesn't. He like, he's like, I'm not starting a war, 880 00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:20.079 but he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to be doing anything. 881 00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:23.280 He just wants to find what he feels like he lost from the Jedi Order 882 00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:28.320 he thinks was perfect in the day. Yeah. No, I think it's 883 00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:31.320 very true. I think that. And that's to me, wanting power for 884 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:36.559 its own sake is the end of the road. Yes, Wanting power because 885 00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:38.679 you think you can do what you think is right with it is the beginning 886 00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:43.400 of the road, you know. And and it to me again, you 887 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.039 know, when Palpatine we find out his only motivation is just I want ultimate 888 00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:52.000 power because wahaha, mustache tuarly, Like that's boring. This is a much 889 00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:57.480 more interesting kind of a villain. Yeah, I found that Merock connection. 890 00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.039 And so moroc was an Arthurian night who was turned into a werewolf by his 891 01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:05.960 wife, and the woman who taught his where his wife, how to be 892 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:10.880 a witch, was Morgan le Fay, So like Morgan Elsbeth, which also 893 01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:14.599 another thing that I wanted to bring up Aaron last week, and I just 894 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:19.920 totally forgot about when he's cut down all this kind of like green dust and 895 01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:22.960 smoke comes out, which is what we've seen happen a lot when the Night 896 01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:27.039 Sisters, especially the sort of ghost versions of the Night Sisters, were killed. 897 01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:31.039 So I kind of wonder maybe that is a like Night Sister somehow. 898 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:35.119 That is one hundred percent what I have been assuming. That's why I mentioned 899 01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.719 it. I am one hundred percent that is what I think happened. I 900 01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:43.199 actually because he has the exact same armor and outfit as the unnamed Inquisitor. 901 01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.800 We saw eight brother fall I think it was was it the eighth Brother? 902 01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:49.760 I think it's he's the one who had the white saber damage and he fell 903 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.400 off the He just like dies in the dumbest way. Yeah, but we 904 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:54.400 don't know he actually dies in that moment or not. But

to me, 905 01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:00.199 that is him and he was real. He was just Rhiannity made it Night 906 01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:07.079 Sister magic. And he's just been like this on for Morgan Elisabeth. And 907 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.800 that's why, like you don't really hear him speak very much, and it's 908 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:14.559 very much like when he's cut down. We see that exactly exactly what you 909 01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:16.639 said. How why else would green smoke and stuff fall out of him? 910 01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:21.119 And how can you be defeated so easily by Ahsoka, like, I don't 911 01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:28.239 know, that seems very and it's sorry. It's interesting that you guys are 912 01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:30.880 saying this because I'm for such a clone wars Head didn't think about the Knight 913 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:35.679 sisters. I had headcanon that as he's a type of species that needs a 914 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:39.880 pressure suit and he just couldn't stand the same like gravity, and so when 915 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:45.159 she broke through his suit, he just exploded. I was like, that's 916 01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:50.159 sick, but makes more sense. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense all 917 01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:52.239 right. Well, actually, sun Set Skywalker, thank you so much for 918 01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.840 email. We've gone pretty long already, so I'm gonna kind of wrap this 919 01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:59.800 up and we'll do that email next week or actually I believe next week I 920 01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:04.679 will be gone and it may well be Aaron and Alex, so the kids 921 01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:07.840 will be taking care of the shop. Please say something. And that's something 922 01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:12.599 nice about Luke at some point. But other than that, Oh and what 923 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:16.480 was the thing I actually meant, just speaking of the original trilogy, what 924 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.039 Aaron? What take us off one for a second. What was the line 925 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:23.000 from Ahsoka that I said is now up there with Hans Oh? I have 926 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:29.320 no idea. Oh yeah, And just as a closing thing on that because 927 01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:31.360 I had to say this. I actually texted Aaron the moment I finished the 928 01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:38.679 episode that the others saying to Ahsoka, so what's the plan. Do we 929 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:44.159 know that the Pergo are going to take us there? And Ahsoka saying I 930 01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:47.679 have no idea? It was such the perfect like Ahsoka's back moment, and 931 01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:52.159 the line was so good. What I texted was I have no idea? 932 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.559 Will now join? I know as one of the most iconic Star Wars lines 933 01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:58.760 ever. Yeah, it was just it was just that good. So, 934 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:00.360 Alex, thank you so much for being a guest on this. I hope 935 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:04.679 we have you back as well as you and I are neighbors, so hopefully 936 01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.079 they can meet in person sometime the live action side of things. But if 937 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.719 people want to find more of your work, I've seen seen her photography, 938 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:13.719 it's amazing your cosplay. Tell us people more about where they can find you. 939 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:19.000 Yeah, my Instagram is at Alex Korman twelve. It's ko R M 940 01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:24.639 A N N. I'm also websites alexcormanphoto, dot com of Twitter and other 941 01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:28.840 stuff. So it's all just Alex Korman or Korman Alex, so I'm not 942 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.119 hard to find. Awesome, Okay, and we'll have the links to all 943 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:35.239 that in the show notes and Aaron, where can people find you? Yeah, 944 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:38.880 as always, I am Lady Tannel creates both on Instagram and TikTok. 945 01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:44.079 TikTok is where I post a lot of how to's and follow along with me 946 01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:46.880 as I f things up for my cosplay. Instagram is where I post the 947 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:51.159 really cool pictures Alex takes of me, where he makes me look epic even 948 01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:53.199 though I brought four lightsabers to a shoot and only one of them worked. 949 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:59.840 Only one of them that when we meet her, and the pictures are awesome 950 01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:01.679 because of both of you, so definitely, you know, like give good 951 01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:04.880 criddle around. Thank you both for being listener. Thank you both for being 952 01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.719 on the podcast. To our listeners, thank you so much. For our 953 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:10.960 members. Stick around for our members section. If you're not a member, 954 01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:13.480 you can do that by just getting paying five dollars a month. You get 955 01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:15.880 ad free content, you get bonus content, you get access to special parts 956 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.480 of the discord, all sorts of great things. But for everyone else, 957 01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:20.440 thank you so much. We have spoken