บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ What to do?

00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:55.120 I don't know that I agree with that. 74 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:58.360 Yeah, So that's that's the only part that I would 75 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.839 disagree with. But other than that, it's actually really good. 76 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:06.240 They don't provoke, they don't do a whole lot any anyway, 77 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:10.240 I'm gonna stop on my little uh that moment, my 78 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:14.600 preaching Yeah, my little promo preaching box. But I say 79 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.839 that because I want with this sleez into them. I 80 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:25.480 might go just because I know my guard would be 81 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:32.160 down more so than if I was like fully repaired. 82 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:38.519 Yes, and but also it's not the smartest decision, which 83 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.759 is why it's you gotta go in what to do, 84 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:45.959 and that's always under what not to do? 85 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:52.680 But yeah, sometimes you gotta try it, right. 86 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:57.399 I think you need to rest. That's that's what I'm thinking, 87 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:01.279 because who knows what could happen Palace the palace is 88 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:02.759 so active. 89 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.199 But it's fake Casey and fake case He would have 90 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:06.319 fun tormenting me. 91 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.639 He would. You might follow you home and torment you 92 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:10.399 there too. 93 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:16.079 Apparently he's already done, so so what's the difference. Sorry, 94 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:18.040 fake Casey, I love you. I'll call you out. 95 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:21.199 Yeah, yeah, fake Casey. We'll probably see fake it. We'll 96 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.480 tell him alone for you tomorrow. He'll be really bummed 97 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:26.360 out that you don't get to get to be there. 98 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:27.480 He'd probably be happy. 99 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:28.399 He'd be like, thank. 100 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:29.720 God, she's not here. 101 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.519 She's not and then you can show up, you know, 102 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:36.000 but I hope you You need to be rested. That's 103 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:36.959 what I get out of this. 104 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:41.920 Be rested, yes, yes, yes, yeah, Like I said, don't 105 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:46.240 be me. This is what what what to do? Do 106 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:48.240 as I say? And now what I do? Yeah? 107 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.720 Okay, be sure you well well rested? 108 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:52.399 Yeah? 109 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:56.680 Well rested? Yes, listeners well rested? Yes? Got that well rested, 110 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:03.279 well rested, Alison. Okay, anyway, we'll move on now. One 111 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.800 thing I did like about your intriguing show promo was 112 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:10.199 the whole seventy two hour thing, other than sleep deprivation 113 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:15.920 part of it. But I like when you have access 114 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:19.199 or when we have access to a place on a 115 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:24.560 consistent basis or more than twenty four hours, yes, because 116 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.560 that way you can get baselines, which is the one 117 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:31.959 I'm starting out with before you get into your ghost hunt. 118 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:40.519 Always take baseline readings. So always take pictures, video, kind 119 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:45.240 of get a lay of the land and note wiring 120 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:51.680 or electrical boxes, that's a big one. And then kind 121 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:54.959 of listen for the normal sounds and you can record 122 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.439 some of the normal sounds and so you know, the 123 00:07:57.480 --> 00:07:59.879 ones at the Palace tomorrow are pretty obvious. We've been 124 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:01.879 there many times and there's like it's right next to 125 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:04.920 a train track, so you know, yeah, there's train sounds 126 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.040 which are really loud. But you know, when does the 127 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.560 air conditioning kick on? When does it kick off? What 128 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:13.360 does it sound like, how does the how are the 129 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:17.399 acoustics of the building, you know, does sound carry? Does 130 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:22.639 it echo? Are there rodents? Those types of things, And 131 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.439 so you can get that all worked out if you like, 132 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:33.159 do baseline audio recordings and video recordings and just noticing 133 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:36.159 those things, especially in old buildings, because old buildings creak 134 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:40.679 and grown and make all these noises and if you 135 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:45.039 have an especially we've done so much at the theater. 136 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.480 We really don't do a lot of baselines anymore because 137 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.759 we're so familiar with it. But that's the whole point 138 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:57.559 of baselines, really is making sure that you are able 139 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:03.440 to easily rule out natural, natural things that are just 140 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:04.720 automatically there. 141 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:05.120 In the building. 142 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:09.799 So yes, take baseline readings if you have, especially if 143 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:14.799 you have a very short time. And what I do 144 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.879 in an unfamiliar place is if I see something usual, 145 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:21.519 you know, it's like I might take a picture of it, 146 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:25.120 and I might say a quick something into my phone 147

00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.720 recorder and just say, oh, yes, the you know, the 148 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:34.399 HVAC system is in the basement, or you know you 149 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:36.639 can't really hear it on the second floor, or the 150 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:40.480 stairs are really creaky or or whatever things like that, 151 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.159 and then I can kind of help. Remember also while 152 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:47.919 doing baselines, this is just something I do personally, is 153 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:53.240 like I will set my stationary cameras, my trail cams 154 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:58.879 in different spots, and I always tag where those are 155 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:02.440 because at the end of night and you're sleep deprived, 156 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:06.320 you know, I know that sometimes I forget where I 157 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:11.679 put my equipment, and so I'm like, okay, camera, second 158 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.960 floor balcony, you know, aisle whatever, and then at the 159 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.279 end of the night, I can just I want to 160 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:21.519 make sure I got everything. I can just go back 161 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:23.799 and listen, or you know, you can take as you 162 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:26.960 can snap a quick picture if you prefer. But I 163 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:30.879 know that for me that's helped me out a ton 164 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:35.320 over the years because before I did that, I would 165 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:38.519 leave equipment places and people would call me later kindly 166 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.080 and say, hey, you know what, Cindy, you left your 167 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:45.919 camera in the basement. It's like whoops. Or especially camera's 168 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:50.320 not so much. But the gat balls, yeah, yes, they're 169 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.279 really easy to lose track of, at least for me. Yes, 170 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:58.840 and we always use those because they're just awesome they are. 171 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:07.279 And knowing your environment helps a lot because it's it 172 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.240 makes life easy, yes, and I know we've said it 173 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:17.440 a million times. But also knowing your history, yes a lot, 174 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:25.799 because in places like the Palace if they're sorry, Palace theater, 175 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:29.799 but it's old you old, yeah you ancient, you old. 176 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:31.159 You old, you old. 177 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:36.000 So knowing that it be old, you know, it's it's 178 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:39.919 like it's an old modding. It's gonna create, it's gonna 179 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:44.519 make funny noises, and you have to understand that if 180 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.320 you if things are gonna go bump in the night, 181 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:49.960 So hearing a bump in the night is probably not 182 00:11:50.000

--> 00:11:54.679 gonna be paranormal. Yeah, it's it's because it's old. It's 183 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.840 gonna it's like a it's like an old person. It's 184 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:04.039 creaks and break and makes funny noises and yeah, it's 185 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.759 just normal. And so you got to understand that that's 186 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.120 normal for an old building. You can't just be it 187 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:15.399 gets very normal exactly like it shifts and it shifts 188 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:16.080 with the weather. 189 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:21.039 Yeah, and the time of day and who's there and 190 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.440 who's not there, and we'll get into that in just 191 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:27.600 a minute. But the palace, Yeah, it's a grand old lady, 192 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:32.320 but she's old. Also, Oh, I wanted to give you 193 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:35.720 some information on the palace I and the history. This 194 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:40.759 ties into, yes, digging in and finding out about the 195 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:43.279 history of a building. And we've talked about this before 196 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:49.320 because in haunted locations it's sometimes hard to parse out 197 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:56.960 the legends and the rumors from the history. And what 198 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:00.000 I found out about the palace. There are these two 199 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:03.360 to what we call the apartments upstairs that are very 200 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:06.120 active and they look like two little boarding rooms. They 201 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:10.960 share a bathroom and a bathtub room. They're very creepy, 202 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:17.399 very active, and none of us know the history of 203 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:21.480 those apartment built you know, the apartment rooms or whatever. 204 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:22.159 What. 205 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:27.240 Here's here's what happened this week. This week, I went 206 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:35.600 online on Facebook because I'm old, to a Marlin history 207 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:41.759 group and I asked about specifically about those rooms. I said, 208 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:45.440 you know, we love the palace, we you know, and 209 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.919 we love the history of it, but we are stumped 210 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:54.320 on these rooms that are above the annex. What does 211 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:58.480 anybody know anything about these rooms? And people responded and 212 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:04.159 they said yes, during the war years, they were rented 213 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:05.600 to soldiers on furlough. 214 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:12.320 I did quickly glance at this. Oh yeah, so I 215 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:18.399 this is again, so we're related. Busy is crazy management shift. 216 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:21.399 So I had a whole five seconds to quit, like 217 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:24.679 quickly check the messages, and that's what I checked. 218 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.720 So yes, yes, yeah, so yes, they said, and they 219 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.480 said there they may have been used by prostitutes, which 220 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:35.879 doesn't surprise me. I've got all those soldiers in town. 221 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:42.200 But also in the sixties and seventies, families lived in them. 222 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:50.639 And I reached out to a lady whose family supposedly 223 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:53.600 lived in them in the seventies and she has yet 224 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:55.399 to get back to me. So I said, you know, okay, 225 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:58.519 can you tell me anything about your time living there? 226 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:03.480 I would love to know more. And of course bunches 227 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.440 of people jumped on the thread and said, oh, Bonnie 228 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:09.360 and Clyde stayed there. And I thought, for the longest 229 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.720 time that was a rumor. I thought, oh, Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah, 230 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.840 isn't it funny how in every small town in Texas 231 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:20.720 Bonnie and Clyde stayed there? Well, you know, so I 232 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.919 just really dismissed it. But there was a lady who said, no, no, 233 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:27.360 I did research on this back in the nineties. I 234 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.679 actually talked to the witnesses. I talked to the lady 235 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:35.240 who rented them the apartments or rented them the rooms, 236 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.519 and she said they backed they liked the rooms because 237 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.879 they could back their car up in the alley so 238 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:47.159 they could see if there were cops coming, and so 239 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:51.480 it gave them a good advantage to watch for the police. 240 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.720 And then they so they stayed there, and then after 241 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:59.679 they were getting ready to leave, they talked to the 242 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:01.919 owner and they said, you know, how much do we 243 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:05.960 owe you? And she's like, well, you know, we can, 244 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.440 you know, what do you want to pay or something 245 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:10.519 like that. She was kind of unclear on how that 246 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:13.000 all went down other than this is what I do remember. 247 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:19.879 Apparently Bonnie holds out her ring or her hand to 248 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.919 the owner of the of the rooms and she says, 249 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:28.399 and she said there was diamond rings covered on her 250 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:31.279 all of her fingers. And she told the owner, she says, 251 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:35.440 just pick one, you can have it. That's an exchange 252 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:39.320 for

us staying here. And so she got to pick 253 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:43.919 out and keep a diamond ring that you Bonnie obviously stole, 254 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:47.000 and she says, and then they, you know, they drove out. 255 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:49.200 They gassed up around the corner at the gas station 256 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:54.919 and took god. So it sounds like, at least according 257 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.639 to local legend and talking to people that were new 258 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:02.440 them and whatnot, that Bay and Clyde did stay in 259 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:03.320 those apartments. 260 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.359 That's kind of cool, and it's very cool when I 261 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:13.759 remember reading about the soldiers when I took a quick glance, 262 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:18.559 and I remember thinking that kind of makes sense because 263 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:24.000 the last two times I was there for paranormal you 264 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:28.880 both groups. One of my guys one of the guys 265 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:35.480 again bigger, more stockier like Buffer looking dude. And both groups, 266 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.279 I had one like that and they for whatever reason 267 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:39.680 had to step out. 268 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:40.680 Interesting. 269 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:45.480 The first time he the guy said that he felt 270 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:52.160 like an energy rush on him and uh, anytime he 271 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.319 was in the room, it'd go quiet, he'd walk out. 272 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:59.279 They'd start talking interesting, some of them would get a 273 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:05.359 little like say derogatory terms or get you know, try 274 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:07.000 to and so he'd come in. He's like, you will 275 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.799 not talk to them like that. Those are women, you 276 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:13.599 treat them like women. Wow. So like the guy came 277 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:15.799 in like to defend us and like you're not to 278 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.759 talk to them like that. They aids the man respect 279 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.240 as a man, you shouldn't be. So it's like with 280 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:24.759 the soldiers like back then. It's like times are obviously 281 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:28.200 different and like you said, which would make sense with 282 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:33.440 the prostitution and everything else. Yeah, And then the second group, 283 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:35.599 I gave him my heads up. I was like, hey, 284 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:40.200 let me know if you feel anywhere. We'd feelings. And 285 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.000 I had a guy last time just you know, feel 286 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.160 a certain way and had to step out m And 287 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.960 again it was he for whatever reason had to take 288 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:54.920 a step out, had to go down to the alleyway

289 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:58.319 like that's how bad it got like wow, completely had 290 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:03.880 to leave the upstairs wow, and go in the alleyway. Wow. Yeah. 291 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.319 Those little rooms on top of the theater are really 292 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:13.079 really active. So yeah, and they've obviously had a lot 293 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:17.559 of history that we're slowly trying to figure out. 294 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:21.319 Which is funny because even from the time I've been 295 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.279 with you guys, it's which has been what like four 296 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:29.000 years now at least, Yeah, we haven't been able to 297 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:33.960 do much. It's all been speculation when it comes to 298 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:35.440 the apartments, yep. 299 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:38.839 But we're you know, honing in on some people that 300 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:43.359 one lived in them and two other people that knew 301 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:50.200 the witnesses and the owners that interacted with Bonnie and Clyde. 302 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:54.279 So like one generation removed. I wonder who has those 303 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:58.400 diamond rings now, I wonder it's in the family somewhere. 304 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:01.599 I don't know. Great to figure. 305 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.799 Out, Yeah, yeah, and so I'll have to ask that person. 306 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:10.240 But yeah, so knowing the history super important. Getting enough 307 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:16.279 sleep super important. The other one I had was using 308 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:24.400 equipment appropriately. More gadgets doesn't necessarily mean better data. And 309 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:27.640 this is something I really wanted to emphasize on this 310 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:34.720 is that we don't know scientifically what ghosts are, so 311 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:39.680 if we can't define what they are, we can't measure 312 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:45.759 them directly. So all of those apps that say they're 313 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:51.400 ghost detectors, they are not because we don't know what 314 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:55.519 ghosts are. So please don't purchase those. They're a waste 315 00:20:55.559 --> 00:21:01.000 of money. But we still use equipment and the But 316 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:05.200 the equipment falls into a couple different categories. One are 317 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:11.079 environmental measures or documenting the environment. Of course, that's EMP. 318 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:16.839 That's temperature. By the way, if you're using temperature in 319 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:22.000 your investigations, you want an ambient thermometer, not a surface thermometer. 320 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:24.319 The surface thermometers are the ones that you point they 321 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:28.519 shoot a laser out, and that's just the you know, 322 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:31.640 it's it's measuring the temperature of the surface. The laser 323 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:35.160 is hitting rather than the air around you. And if 324 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:39.480 it's cold spots, it's the air around you. It's not 325 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:40.640 a wall or something. 326 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:45.000 You say. A laser is great if you're using it 327 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:50.119 as almost a laser grid. Yeah, if you're trying to 328 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:55.240 figure out like an exact pinpoint, that works great. Yeah, 329 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:58.799 because then you know if it's breaking the laser and 330 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:01.880 the you've physically see it break. The laser and the 331 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:02.880 temperature changes. 332 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:05.599 I never thought of it. 333 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:11.079 It's hot, Yes, that's great. Situations like that, it's helpful 334 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:11.519 one yeah. 335 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:12.319 Yeah. 336 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:16.400 But again, like you're saying, you're pointing, it's like me 337 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:17.400 pointing it at you. 338 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:20.279 It's gonna get a ninety eight reading. 339 00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:24.799 But if something breaks that being between me and you 340 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:28.519 degree yeah, or if it drops down to sixty degrees 341 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:32.599 and we know something broke the beam. Yeah, so that 342 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:36.119 one beam, yes, but that only takes an account that 343 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:41.359 one little, tiny, one diameter area that it's crossing. Yep. 344 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:45.160 Yeah, but that's really interesting. I never thought of that. Okay, 345 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:49.599 I'm okay, I'm going to put my surface temperature readers 346 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.440 back in the mix just because of that, because that's 347 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:55.200 a really good idea. But most of the time, yeah, 348 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:57.880 when you get cold spots, it's the air around you. 349 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:01.960 It's not necessarily surface. Yeah, but there is a place 350 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:05.440 for those. But I like that, We really like that. 351 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:08.680 I mean that's just my like thought process is that 352 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:13.039 you can't take that one little piece like that one 353 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:17.079 centimeter diameter and be like, look, the temperature is changing. 354 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:21.640 It's like, well, what's did you take an account for 355 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.599 the rest of the room. What is the rest of 356 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:27.000 the room. Yeah, you can't. Like you could walk up 357 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:31.480 to your AC unit and it's reading sixty eight, but 358 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:35.720 it's noon and the sun's blazing hot and you're pointing 359 00:23:35.720 -->

00:23:37.440 it at a wall and it says one hundred degrees 360 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:40.920 and be like, well, there's a temperature change, right, Like, well, 361 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:47.559 that automatically is discrediting everything that you're using as a baseline. 362 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.960 Yeah, and which is the next point of know how 363 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.359 your appointment works, what it's made to measure, because yeah, 364 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:58.720 for documenting the environment, we've got temperature readers, we've got 365 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:02.880 EMF which is electro magnetic fields, and we've got audio 366 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:07.400 video you know, stuff like that, and that just measures 367 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.000 environmental changes. And then for communication we use things like 368 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:18.079 the necrophonic or the spirit box, and that's pretty much it. 369 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.279 This is these are the things that we pretty much 370 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.720 use all the time. Or dowsing rods is another one. 371 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:29.240 Motion detectors like the catballs is another one. But all 372 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:35.000 of these things aren't measuring ghosts directly or paranormal activity directly. 373 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:41.359 They're measuring changes and documenting changes in the environment. So 374 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:44.079 you've got to keep that in mind. And as you're 375 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.960 doing that, and we've talked about this bazillion. Sometimes you triangulate, 376 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.079 you know, Okay, we're going to have our you know, 377 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:55.000 our thermometer up and going, and we're going to have 378 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:58.119 our EMF up and going, and our cameras and we're 379 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:00.759 going to do a communication session with a box and 380 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.319 we're gonna have cat balls out and we we know 381 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.839 the history, you know, so we're gonna be you know, 382 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:14.799 incorporating that, and it presents a more clear and an 383 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:19.480 accurate picture of stuff that could be going on. So 384 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:24.519 you know, yeah, if you're sitting there and you're saying, okay, 385 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:28.920 I know that Casey was the projectionist, Hey Casey, how 386 00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:32.799 are you doing? And you start getting cat balls lighting up, 387 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.240 and you start getting voices on the spirit box and 388 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:40.720 you know, and all of this, then it's it's pretty 389 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:44.519 your evidence is stronger. But like you were just saying, yeah, 390 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:47.759 if you take like one temperature reading or something like that, 391 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.480 or you get one EMF blip, or you get a 392 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:54.880 picture of an ORB, you know, sorry, people with view orbs, 393 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.319 I mean, HEYI there are some really compelling ORB photographs 394 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.759 and videos out there, but you know, I've gotten so 395 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:06.160 many photographs that send people send to me that they 396 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:08.480 took one picture and it's a picture of an orb 397 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.400 and it's like, well, that could be anything. Yeah, you know, 398 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:12.519 you need to triangulate. 399 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:20.640 And I will say triangulate on triangulation. What you should 400 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:24.400 do is which you and I have done a dozen 401 00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:29.799 times at the Palace with bait Casey. Yes, is we 402 00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:34.240 will try like You'll start off asking him questions and 403 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:39.640 then I'll try to ask him questions, same questions sometimes 404 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.519 and won't get a response. But then all of a 405 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.039 sudden you come back in and you start asking those 406 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.039 same questions, and all of a sudden he's responding to you, 407 00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:54.440 and our equipment's going off. Well, obviously he's not wanting 408 00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:57.480 to talk to me, And that's why you triangulate using 409 00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:00.480 sometimes most of the time where use in the same 410 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:05.759 equipment's dowsing rods, EVP cat ball is usually up there. Yeah, yeah, 411 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:09.640 because that's we know for a fact that that's how 412 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:15.000 he can communicate. And every time he will not talk 413 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:18.119 to me or very limited communication, I have to stay 414 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.720 with me because I can get like one or two 415 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:24.319 responses from him. It's do you want me to leave? 416 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:27.400 Do you want me up here? Stuff like that that 417 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:31.319 it's like I already know the answers, but you keep out. 418 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:35.160 I still ask anyway. It's like I'm not annoying, little sister. 419 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:36.799 Can I be here? 420 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:37.599 Can I be with you? 421 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.799 I want to be with you? And then you come over, 422 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.920 it's like Casey, what do you want? You? 423 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.000 You really wonder to leave, like why? 424 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.160 And you have like a five to ten minute conversation 425 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:52.720 with you, and then me it's just like get out, 426 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:54.880 go away, go bye. 427 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:56.240 Yeah. 428 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:56.960 Yeah. 429

00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:03.759 But hence other good argument for why you should go 430 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:08.319 on investigations with other people, Yes, because then you can 431 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:12.200 triangulate with other people as well. That's the whole mix 432 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:14.160 of you know, like you were saying, that's a perfect 433 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:17.039 example of that, or your other example of the big 434 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:20.799 burly guys up in the apartments and they were having 435 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:25.079 a different experience than other people. And so that's all 436 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:28.920 really good information. And you wouldn't get that if you 437 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:32.440 were just hanging out by yourself somewhere, you know, if 438 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.559 you were just hanging out in the bait or me, yeah, 439 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:39.240 up in the balcony talking to fake Casey and it's like, 440 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.359 well it's dead up here, nothing's up here. 441 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.920 And it's it's like who am I to sit there 442 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:47.480 and say it's like not haunted or it's got to 443 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.920 be residual energy, right, Like yes for me, because I 444 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:55.279 know he doesn't want to talk to me. I know 445 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:59.039 he doesn't want me up there, So it's not fair 446 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.200 for me to say it's not haunted or it's just 447 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:07.720 presenting residual energy. Whereas because we have been their time 448 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.319 and time again, and we've tested it time and time again, 449 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:13.680 Fake Casey just doesn't want to talk to me. Yeah, 450 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:15.880 for whatever reason, he just doesn't. 451 00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:16.960 We'll figure it out. 452 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:22.720 But it's like, obviously there's that energy. We know he's there, 453 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:29.559 we know that there's another story to that. He just 454 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:32.559 hasn't come out with it yet. Yeah, So it's not 455 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.319 it's not fair for me to be like, oh, like 456 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.039 if I were to go up to Rob or Nick 457 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.319 and be like, hey, it's just residual it's this, it's 458 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.480 nothing you need to worry about, which, granted's fake Casey, 459 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.400 you don't have to worry about him, but just putting 460 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.599 that out there. He's not malicious. He's a he's just 461 00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:51.759 a story. 462 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:53.880 He's tricky. 463 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.720 He's just a little moody moody. 464 00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:58.880 That's a better way to put it, he's a little moody. 465 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:03.359 Yeah, Like he'll

go over and talk to you, and 466 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:08.640 it's intelligent responses. He has a full conversation with you, 467 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:10.200 just not with me. 468 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:13.759 Well, you know, I'll see what I find out tomorrow 469 00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:15.359 and I'll ask him about this. I'll say, hey, you 470 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.000 know what, we just did a podcast episode. I'd really 471 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.839 like it to weigh in on this. Yeah, I'll see 472 00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:22.480 what we will. I'll see what I can find out. 473 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:27.359 And maybe it's just you know which speculation. Maybe I 474 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:31.599 remind him of something or someone that just upsets him 475 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.440 and he doesn't want to be reminded of it, and 476 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.440 that's why he doesn't talk to me. I don't know, 477 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:42.200 but that's why it's You do have to triangulate. You 478 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:44.839 have to go with other people, because it's not fair 479 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.079 for you to just stamp it as something like some 480 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.119 investigators and they just go over and be like, is 481 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:52.640 demonic stamp? 482 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.720 Oh yeah, I hate that. Oh yeah, please don't please 483 00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:57.039 don't use the D word. 484 00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:02.039 Yeah, no, not everywhere you go. You're gonna I would say, 485 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.160 point zero zero one percent of the time it's gonna 486 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:08.480 be demonic. Yeah, ninety nine point ninety nine percent of 487 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.640 the time, it's gonna be fall under residual, it's gonna 488 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:17.000 fall under intelligence, So it's gonna be a human spirit 489 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:18.079 majority of the time. 490 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.000 Yeah, you aren't gonna be dealing with those demonic things 491 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:22.799 that I wouldn't want to either. 492 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.599 I mean, even then, you're more likely to run into 493 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:32.559 like spiritual so like gen elemental mental type stuff. Yeah, 494 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.279 you're gonna you have a higher chance of running into 495 00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:39.559 elemental spirits than you are demons or whatever that d 496 00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:44.000 wor Yeah, just putting that out there. 497 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.920 So yeah, it's yeah, it's that whole triangulation thing. And 498 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.599 I think you make a really good point too of 499 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.240 having it's really invaluable to have access to a place 500 00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:03.440 consistently because what we're looking for is patterns and paranormal activity. 501 00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:08.079 If a place is active, we can start building, you know, 502 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:12.960 a history of the activity and see where, you know, 503 00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:17.000 and how often it happens, what happens when this person's 504 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:21.440 here versus that person, you know, maybe some of the 505 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.920 seasons or night or there or whatever. So it's looking 506 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.720 for those patterns over time. And that's why you go 507 00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.279 into a place for twenty four hours and if nothing 508 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.880 happens and you say no, there's no ghosts here. It's like, no, 509 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:39.519 you weren't hardly there at all. So if at all possible, 510 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:45.160 And this is kind of a plug for building really 511 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:51.319 good relationships with people that own the properties, because if 512 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.759 you do that, then you will be allowed to come back. 513 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:59.680 The Palace is a perfect example of that. We have 514 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.759 a good relationship with the board and because of that 515 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.440 we get to go back on a regular basis. 516 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:10.440 It's I would say also you should always which we've 517 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:15.720 talked about last episode, is always be respectful yes, of 518 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.880 the owners, the space of the property, of the property absolutely, 519 00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:26.519 because that, like you said, allows you to build those relationships. 520 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:32.000 It allows you to have that door open and allows 521 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:36.400 you to have those consistent in and outs because like 522 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.839 people with the spirits, you have to build a relationship 523 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:45.480 with them. And as odd as it sounds, it's like, oh, well, 524 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.759 you don't know who you're talking to what you're talking to. 525 00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.240 The same goes for the living. You don't know Like 526 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.599 if you come across some random person at a restaurant, 527 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:55.559 you don't know who they are. 528 00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:57.039 It could be a serial killer. 529 00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.559 You don't know who you're talking to. Yeah, so I 530 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.559 sa those for those spirits you don't know. Yeah, so 531 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.880 you don't know who you're talking to, and you build 532 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:11.960 those relationships with the spirits, they slowly start to give 533 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:16.000 you information. And like Fake Casey, whereas before he would 534 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:19.960 say nothing to me, now he's like I want you 535 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:20.360 to leave. 536 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.000 Yeah, he's

at least saying something. 537 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.840 Yeah, Like I mean, like the last time we were 538 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:30.880 talking about Wicked and Dorothy, he apparently came home with 539 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.400 me that one time. Then watch Wicked with me, and 540 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.760 it's like, if you don't want me up here, why 541 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.840 you coming to the movies with me to watch Wicked? 542 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:42.519 Like come on, dude. 543 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.519 But yeah, he's like, oh yeah, I went with you 544 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:49.039 and watch Wicked. Yeh. It's like, okay, whatever, Fake Casey whatever. 545 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:50.639 He secretly likes you. 546 00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:54.880 So it's like you're building those relationships. 547 00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:00.800 And as much as you know, I gotta respect Fake 548 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.599 Casey and he's got to respect me. It's like I 549 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.880 have to respect the fact that I know my time 550 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.679 in the balcony is limited. Yes, I can't be like, oh, 551 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.480 I'm gonna come up here and spend Is it smart 552 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.199 for me to stay the night open the balcony? Probably not, 553 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:23.079 because he's he's made it clear he does not want 554 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.800 me up there, but he's also got to be respectful. 555 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:28.400 It's like, when I'm there, I'm there to investigate. I'm 556 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:34.199 he's got to allow me limited time up there. And 557 00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:38.480 then once I mean I catch those little vibes, it's like, Okay, 558 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:41.280 it's time for me to go. Now, I gotta moving 559 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:42.320 on downstairs. 560 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:47.480 But you know that now, Yeah, and that's just time spent. Yeah, 561 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:51.760 so moving on. Bring extra batteries and charger paths. 562 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:53.960 Yes, I'm glad. 563 00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:01.920 Drains are super common, super common. Yeah, it's happens more 564 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.400 often than not, it really does. 565 00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:05.960 I was gonna say, backups, back ups. 566 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.039 Back ups, backups for backups. Yeah, I have those power blocks, 567 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:15.000 have batteries because there's there's always power drains that is 568 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.639 like one of them. Those are almost as common as 569 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:22.119 orb photos. I mean, it is amazing how often. And 570 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.880 I mean we're all pretty darn good about checking our 571 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.360 battery power and everything in our charging packs before we 572 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:32.519 get there wherever there is, and but there's always something. 573 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.719 There's always something that drains and it's like, oh, wait 574 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.920 a minute, I swear that it was fully charged, and 575 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.079 it's like, oh, I have no doubt now it's trained. 576 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:45.760 And sometimes they decide to come back from the dead. 577 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:51.800 Yeah, that's true. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, 578 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:53.679 but sometimes they'll be like, well, wait a minute, No, 579 00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:55.679 it was totally dead and now it's now it's back 580 00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.639 up to all the bars again. Yeah, it's crazy. 581 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.880 It is crazy and for whatever reason, And that's one 582 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.000 of the signs of you know, like what to do, 583 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:11.199 things to do. You know that obviously it took some 584 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.719 of the energy and for itself to make it self 585 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:19.599 known to you. Yeah, so that's if that happens, you 586 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.079 should be alert and be like something's gonna happen. 587 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.760 Yeah, taking something something out of the ordinary is happening 588 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.320 most definitely. Yeah, always bring lots of batteries and charger 589 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.280 blocks and whatever you need, because yeah, you're gonna use them. 590 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:41.239 I can guarantee it. And of course, you know, knowing yourself, 591 00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.880 you've already kind of touched on this. You know, if 592 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:48.760 you're going tired, you're you're leaving yourself open for things, 593 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:53.480 or your your decision making isn't quite as good. But 594 00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.039 also there's that whole thing of expectation. You know, there 595 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.559 are so many of these what I call pay to 596 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:06.840 play paranormal investigation places, and you go in and there's 597 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:11.679 some of them that have what I call fear triggers everywhere, 598 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:16.000 spooky dolls and you know, and they're really trying to 599 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.199 hype up the spooky factor. And what that does is 600 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.719 it emotionally primes people. It's like, oh, you're in a 601 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:27.960 It's like you're in a haunted house. And it makes people. 602 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.719 It puts them in a mindset of expecting something to happen. 603 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.800 And then your senses are all heightened and then every 604 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:39.000 little creek or groan or you know, whatever it is, 605 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.519 any little noise, you're like, oh, gosh, it's a ghost. 606 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.559 It's a ghost, you know,

and so you have to 607 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.239 be careful of that, just you know what you're expecting, 608 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:53.320 and that whole prairie dog, dandelion periodoilia, you know. So 609 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.880 we call it of seeing. Our brains are so good 610 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:03.800 at seeing patterns or trying to discern patterns in randomness, 611 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.079 and so this is there again back to that. I'm 612 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.000 really going to pick on the orbs, but you know, 613 00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:15.039 I've been sent orb pictures where somebody will like blow 614 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.000 it way up, you know, and that's pretty much just 615 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.320 all pixelated. But they're like, can you see the demonic 616 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:25.039 face in the ORB? And it's like, well, I see 617 00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:29.400 what looks like a face, but it's just a random pattern. Really, 618 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.599 it's it's not really what you think it is. Your 619 00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.559 brain is just making sense of these randomly placed pixels 620 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:41.159 and showing you a face. So you know, you got 621 00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:45.599 to be careful of that. And when you do get 622 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.119 something like that's when it's so exciting, and you get 623 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:53.599 some kind of really cool EVP or you get something 624 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:57.920 on video or whatever, or a really cool photograph. We've 625 00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:02.199 talked a little bit about this before we send it 626 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:08.239 around to our other investigators after the fact, after we've 627 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.719 had you know, some sleep and some time to review 628 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:16.920 and don't give any context to it, but say what 629 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.280 do you think of this? And so kind of almost 630 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.440 this blind review after the fact is a really good 631 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:26.840 thing because you may have thought that you really got 632 00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:31.840 something cool and they're like, oh, no, I don't hear 633 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:35.159 what you're hearing or see what you're seeing. I see 634 00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.719 that's actually not a ghost. That's the back of Robert's 635 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.400 head as he's going into the kitchen. You know, those 636 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.360 types of things, and so it's always good to have 637 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:50.920 at least one and ideally two or three new sets 638 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:55.199 of eyes and ears to you know, look at whatever 639 00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.199 it is that you caught, just to they're getting triangulation again, 640 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:03.440 you know, verification that hey, you know, and that's it 641 00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:07.480 makes you feel really really good when everybody looks at 642 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:12.199 it or listens to it and says, oh my gosh, 643 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.840 that's crazy or that's really creepy or the or they 644 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.679 tell you that they see without prompting that they see 645 00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:21.360 or hear the exact same thing you did. It's like 646 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.800 it really lends a lot of a lot more credibility. 647 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:29.360 And I think my favorite thing is when using that 648 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:34.159 if like catching an EVP, like we all know who 649 00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.599 are a VP specialist is in our group? Yeah Janet, Yeah, 650 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:42.400 it's it's for me. It's really cool catching something yeah, 651 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.920 and then sending it to the group and seeing if 652 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:49.280 someone like Janette being our EVP specialist, it's like, oh yeah, 653 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.599 I hear that at this market, yes, and you have 654 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.719 it written down out that market at that market. I 655 00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:00.320 love when that happens. And that's why I. 656 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:05.280 Absolutely quick interjection here. Time stamp everything, yes anyway, yeah. 657 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:11.480 Yes, timestamp everything, marking everything, because when stuff like that happens, 658 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:19.880 it's like okay, and she's the specialist in that. It's like, okay, unprompted, 659 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.480 she even marked it, she caught it. So and then 660 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.840 once you start, everyone else starts paying attention to that 661 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:33.000 little section. They're like, oh, yeah, I can kind of 662 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.719 hear something or I can't make it out, or this 663 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.360 is what I hear. Yeah, but I heard something at 664 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:40.400 this time stamp. 665 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.000 Yeah. Sometimes they'll find things that you didn't find and 666 00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.000 then you go back and listen to it and you're like, oh, 667 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.400 my goodness, I totally missed that. But yeah, you're right. 668 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:56.599 So yeah, having others review, I think is really important. 669 00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:01.400 Whatever whatever you're presenting to everybody, you know, it's it's 670 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:02.760 really really important. 671 00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:06.920 Oh you're I'm so tired. I'm so sorry, Like that 672 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.079 tells you how exhausted I am right now. 673 00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:14.639 And yeah, yeah you're making it through. Yeah, yeah, you're 674 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.800 making it through. And I'm making it through my list here. 675 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:24.559 And so the

other thing too, is you know, yes, 676 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:29.320 triangulate with others, Let others look and look at a 677 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:33.960 review evidence you think you caught. Also on that, if 678 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:38.360 you timestamp everything, it's like, oh, we got an EVP 679 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.920 in the balcony at ten oh five pm, and then 680 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:50.320 if everyone else has time timestamped their recorders or their cameras, 681 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.679 then they can go back and look at hey, ten 682 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:57.920 oh five pm. Yeah, my camera caught this really strange anomaly, 683 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.199 or my recorder caught this same EVP or at the 684 00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.400 same exact time. So and that even lends like more 685 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:11.400 credibility if multiple pieces of equipment are picking up on 686 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:14.039 the same thing, which is really cool. It's rare, but 687 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:14.800 it does happen. 688 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:15.760 It is cool. 689 00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:22.800 It's cool. So okay, moving on along here, make sure 690 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.519 you document everything. I need to do a better job 691 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.920 of that. But Georgina and I went to the East 692 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.360 Texas Paranormal Conference, not last weekend but the week before, 693 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:40.079 two weeks ago, and we sat in on a presentation 694 00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.400 by this guy named Bill Smith who has created something. 695 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.519 It's in beta testing right now, but he wants people 696 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.199 to test it for free for thirty days. It's called 697 00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:54.000 the Specter Desk. And I'll post the quick little video 698 00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:58.360 that I have online, but I'll post it on our 699 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:02.039 spooky page with the QR code, and if you want 700 00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:05.280 more information on this, you can go there. But basically 701 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:13.800 he's created this entire software system to document and organize 702 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:21.280 all of your evidence, audio, video, photographic, every EMF ratings, 703 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:27.000 everything all in one place and he can Yeah. It 704 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:32.519 also tracks locations and builds a searchable history of all 705 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:37.960 of your investigations. There's he's also working on a mobile app, 706 00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:43.400 so you can collect data, you know, while you're investigating 707 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.960 on the mobile app, and then it will sync with 708 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:51.760 the specter desk on you know, on your computer. So 709 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.679 it's it's really cool and I have to go check 710 00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:57.440 it out. I haven't had a chance to play with 711 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.280 it yet, but I think it's a really good idea 712 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.320 and it would be really helpful in documenting things and 713 00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:08.480 keeping track of things. Yeah like that, Alison's going, Oh yeah, 714 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:11.119 so that's like on my my paranormal to do list. 715 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.519 It's on my computer. He sent me all the information. 716 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:18.239 But I will put put information on that online on 717 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:23.159 our spooky socials so other people can test it too. Yeah. 718 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:27.480 So I thought that was really cool. Yeah, we've all 719 00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.960 already talked about being ethical. Yeah, don't be a turd, 720 00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:34.719 you know, treat the property and the people and the 721 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:39.000 ghosts with respect, and then you'll get invited back. And 722 00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.719 the problem is too is if you're an idiot, and 723 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.559 I know none of these listeners here are idiots, but 724 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:48.239 if you don't have any idiots, keep them away from 725 00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:52.480 really good active places because the problem is it's kind 726 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.159 of like that one bad apple spoils the whole bunch. 727 00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:01.760 And if a property owner has one bad experience with 728 00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.079 a group, and I've run into this a couple of times, 729 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:08.280 they shut it down. It's like, no, sorry, I'm sure 730 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:12.480 you're not like them, but I can't risk that. We 731 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:14.960 just can't risk it anymore. And that's a venue that's 732 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:20.679 now closed because somebody went in and was stupid, So yeah, 733 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:27.960 please don't be stupid. And finally for me, i'm looking 734 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.280 through a little notes here. Finally for me is when 735 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:34.719 you're talking to witnesses, it's a good idea to record them, 736 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.480 at least auditorily ask them permission. That's part of that 737 00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:44.360 essex thing. But make sure you're asking good questions, and 738 00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.920 of course, the best opener, because you don't want to 739 00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.199 be leading. It's like, oh, tell me about your spirits 740 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.159 or your haunted house, you know, because you don't know 741 00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:54.760 it's haunted, you know, and just say, hey, what's going 742 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:59.000 on here? And let them go from there, and depending 743 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.800 on what they say, a lot a lot of times 744 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:04.480 I try to narrow it down to, Okay, is

this 745 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:08.719 activity person centered or place centered? And I'll start asking 746 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:14.239 questions about, well, who's around when the activity happens. It 747 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.039 is nobody around, and that's when it happens. Okay, Well 748 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:19.280 that's going to lead me to think it's maybe more 749 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:24.400 place centered or no, it's always this person and it's like, okay. 750 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:29.559 Then I will talk to that person and say, are 751 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.920 these experiences new to you or have you had these 752 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.280 types of experiences in other places? And a lot of 753 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:40.639 times they'll say I've had experiences all my life in 754 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:43.880 all different places. And when I start hearing answers like that, 755 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:49.920 it's like, this is a person centered haunt, and so 756 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.360 I really try to discern, you know, which is it 757 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.360 because it usually can roughly fall into one or the 758 00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.920 other category. And that's going to really really help you 759 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.000 out as well. And asking about changes, you know, has 760 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.239 there been any construction done lately, Has there been any 761 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.320 you know, if it's like a private residence or something. 762 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:12.800 Has there been a lot of stress in the family lately, 763 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.519 you know, kind of checking those types of things any 764 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:21.159 trying to like find any triggers anything that, you know, 765 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:25.360 a death in the family. You know, it's it's like 766 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:28.960 at they're again, we're just talking a lot about the palace. 767 00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:33.119 But the palace they have this beautiful organ that was 768 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.199 donated to them and they play it when they play 769 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:41.239 silent movies and which is really cool. And the ashes 770 00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:47.000 of the organist are in an cardboard Amazon delivery box 771 00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:49.559 in the back of the organ. 772 00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:54.639 I love how we found that out. Yeah, a little 773 00:49:54.719 --> 00:50:02.039 fun story we find out right before a paranormal you yes, yeah, 774 00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:04.840 And I was gonna say trigger objects, which I'm glad 775 00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:07.679 you brought the organ up, are fantastic. 776 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:12.280 There's a lot of activity around the organ, yes, yeah, 777 00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.360 because the organist is still in the organ. 778 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:21.239 It was Georgina that was doing a dozzing rod session, 779 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:24.679 right yeah, and then it was Robert nick Is like, oh, yeah, 780 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:26.239 that that would be what that makes sense? 781 00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:30.639 This is why And asually, just off hand, his ashes 782 00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.360 are in the back of the organ and none of 783 00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:36.440 us and we're all like what, Yeah, you. 784 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:41.760 Couldn't have told us that before, And they're like, yeah. 785 00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:42.559 I got there, didn't you. 786 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.519 Yeah, ells figured it out. 787 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.719 It's like thanks guys. 788 00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:50.440 And of course we all had to go over there 789 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.880 and verify because I was expecting to see this like 790 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.239 really pretty little urned or something. No, it's an Amazon 791 00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.880 delivery box. The poor guy's in a cardboard box and 792 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:00.679 the back. 793 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:05.960 Of the organ. Think about a tragedy. You know. 794 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.000 Apparently he loved playing that organ and he'd got a 795 00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.880 lot of joy out of it, so you know, maybe 796 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.760 it's a consolation. He's not real upset with the cardboard 797 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:17.960 box because he's there with the organize. I don't know, 798 00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:20.000 I don't know. It's like, come on, I think we 799 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:21.480 could have done a little better. 800 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:28.159 These Nick and Rafaelle or something else. 801 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:35.480 But yeah, yeah, so all to say that, yes, we 802 00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.159 were getting a lot of MF readings and fluctuations and 803 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:44.599 communication with the dwasing rods around the Yeah. 804 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:48.800 Could figure out for the light of us why no. 805 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.239 Yeah, we were like, okay, well maybe because it's new 806 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:56.960 or you know, who knows, and we're like, well, you know, 807 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:01.199 perhaps that could have something to do with it. He's 808 00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:02.559 literally still there. 809 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:06.639 And yeah, once they told us and we started asking 810 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.280 this where it's like yeah, I'm still yeah, I like 811 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.239 playing it. Yeah, And I stuck around because of it's 812 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:13.159 just the organ. 813 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:18.239 It's like, Okay, I'll check in with him tomorrow and 814 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:21.960 see if he's got a you know, a better container. 815 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.960 I guess maybe we should, you know, pull some money 816 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:32.000 together and give him a proper container for God for good. 817 00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:36.480 But well that's all i've got. I don't know if 818 00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:42.079 you've got anything else. No, no, yeah, And so just 819 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:48.360 a lot of it is you know, think scientifically, be 820 00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:53.280 willing to accept natural explanations before jumping to the paranormal. 821 00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:58.599 Don't throw around the de word, especially to people who 822 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.840 might own the pro and are already scared. You know, 823 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:06.320 use your equipment properly, make sure you got all your batteries, 824 00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:11.119 take baselines. All of these things are pretty pretty common 825 00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:20.400 sense things, you know. Just investigate responsibly, ethically, sensitively, and systematically, 826 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:27.000 and try to have a mindset of let's look at 827 00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:31.079 natural explanations first, and then once those are all ruled out, 828 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:35.880 then we can start looking at possibly paranormal explanations. Yes, 829 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:40.079 that's my closing two cents. Yeah, yeah, it would be 830 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:43.639 well rested and be well rested. Yes, And I think 831 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:47.000 we're going to sign off now because Alison's very tired. 832 00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:50.920 Just litle Okay, well, until next time. 833 00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:59.639 This has been Spooky a paranormal podcast. We hope today's 834 00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.599 episod since shiver us down your spine and sparked your 835 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:06.960 curiosity about all things ghostly. If you've enjoyed what you've heard, 836 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.920 don't forget to subscribe and leave a review on your 837 00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:14.079 favorite podcast platform. 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