บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Episode 8: Hereditary

her, the universe was gonna tell her no the whole time. 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:23.600 So what did you what did you think after your beautiful, very brutal statement? 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:24.319 Mm-hmm. 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.439 That you would never watch this movie. 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:35.839 So going going into the film with already having that in mind, what was your experience this time? 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:39.199 Well, we watched it twice. 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:56.480 We watched it once just as a refresher, and then the second time we watched it for research purposes, and so just so everybody kind of has um an idea of why I decided to go ahead and touch the movie, even though I said I wouldn't. 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:03.279 So just so everybody kinda has an idea of why I changed my mind, because people are allowed to do that, okay? 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:05.040 People are allowed to change their minds. 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:11.600 Um, one of my staff, I'm gonna give her a shout out, her name is Michelle. 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.560 Um, she asked me about the podcast. 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.160 Hey, how's the podcast going? 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:19.759 And I was like, Oh, it's doing good, you know, this is what we're doing right now. 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.519 And she mentioned hereditary, and I was like, hate it. 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:32.800 She's like, Do you think everything that happened in that movie was really happening, or do you think it was all mental health? 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:38.000 And I was like, Well, damn it, now I have to watch it again because it really made me think. 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:42.560 I'm like, you know, if you think about it that way, I guess I'm okay with doing it again. 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:46.079 So that's where this started. 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:51.040 And it I think for me, it was like mid-sumar. 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.160 Like I hated mid-somar the first time I watched it. 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:58.879 Hated it a little bit less the second time, a little bit less the third time. 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.519 I think each time I watched it it got better. 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:03.519 With Hereditary. 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.120 This is gross, but I liked it. 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.279 Probably by the third time that I watched it. 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:17.199 Just because there's a lot more that I caught in it this time versus watching it the very first time. 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:25.600 But also being a mom, being a parent, I think I figured out why I didn't like it. 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:33.759 And I think it's because of that, like it's almost like as a mom, I could feel her grief and I didn't like it. 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:36.560 So I was like, nope, not doing that, but also it's super weird. 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:39.199 So but I did enjoy it. 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:47.360 Um, and I'm honestly really glad we're doing the episode on this tonight because I feel like it's it's a very good one to do the episode on. 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:53.439 Yeah, and in in in your defense though, too, like when I first watched Hereditary, I hated it as well. 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:56.720 I was really into it up until the very end. 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:03.920 And there will be spoilers in this episode, so be prepared for that if you have not seen it. 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:10.879 But I was perfectly fine with it up until they started floating up into the treehouse. 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:14.639 We were both like, mm-mm, that's stupid, we ain't watching this shit again. 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:24.480 But I I definitely went into it this time with a completely clean slate, and I really enjoyed it. 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:30.240 And I enjoyed it even more during the research part of this episode. 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:48.799 Uh, it's j just because we got to finally break it down, and that's what's been really fun about this series is A24 is really good about throwing a thousand different things at you at once, and it it almost forces you to re-watch their films. 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:51.840 The replay value of these movies are are incredible. 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:58.000 With that being said, though, I have a question that's on everybody's mind. 00:08:58.480 --> 00:08:58.799 Okay. 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:01.440 So, what did you really think? 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:05.600 Well, we have a lot to unpack here. 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.200 Yes, there is a lot, and I'm gonna do my best to, you know, sum it up. 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:16.080 Okay, so for anybody who has not seen her editary again, here comes the spoilers. 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.720 So basically, Charlie, she's different. 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:23.440 Her brother is taking her to a party that her mom forced her to go to, she doesn't want to go. 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:34.639 She ends up dying a very tragic death, and that is kind of the basis for the whole movie, where then after that, weird things start happening in the family, and it's just a whole thing. 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:45.039 So the movie itself technically has a supernatural end to it, and that's another reason I was like, we can't even do this episode because it's supernatural. 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:46.639 I can't diagnose supernatural. 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:54.879 So if we completely take out the supernatural aspect of things, right, then I can break it down. 00:09:55.279 --> 00:10:12.240 We here in the movie, it's very prominent in the beginning that Annie, um, Tony Clett's character, she talks about her mom and how her mom was a narcissist, and her mom had actually said that she had D.I.D. 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:17.200 I think we've talked about DID before um with psycho. 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:18.799 We talked a little bit about it. 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:21.360 Yeah, and she also mentioned dementia. 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.639 Yes, dementia and DID. 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:26.639 Mom

just had a slew of problems. 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:31.200 Uh, there's a family history, she talks about a family history of schizophrenia. 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:43.360 She says her brother had quote unquote psychotic depression, which technically would be like schizoaffective disorder, depressive type, or depression with psychosis. 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:45.120 Both of the things, both of those things exist. 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:51.679 Can you do me a quick favor and give us a couple examples of what that would be like if you had it? 00:10:52.000 --> 00:11:04.080 Yeah, so it's really difficult to distinguish between the differences between like major depressive disorder with psychotic features or schizoaffective disorder, depressive type. 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:06.559 Both of them have psychotic features. 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:13.919 When I say psychotic features, that includes hallucinations, whether that's you hear things, you see things. 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.279 Some people have like they smell things that aren't there. 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:23.759 Some people feel like there's like there's textile, like people are touching them, you know, or paranoia, delusions. 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:27.600 Hey, this person's out to get me, these people are stalking me. 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:41.919 Um, so there's that piece of it, but then there's also symptoms of depression, sadness, suicidal ideation, you know, not sleeping, not eating, just no no motivation, lack of interest. 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:43.360 Combining the two. 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:56.960 The difference is that in order to meet schizoaffective disorder, depressive type, you have to have full criteria for schizophrenia and full t full criteria for major depressive disorder. 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:04.639 But the symptoms both are co-occurring together all of the time. 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:27.519 Whereas major depressive disorder with psychosis or with psychotic features, people who are depressed enough can start to have thoughts of, you know, someone's telling me to hurt myself, or someone is in my head talking to me, or I'm seeing things, I'm hearing things, but it's only present because of a depressive episode. 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:29.759 If you're not depressed, it's not there. 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:34.960 Versus schizoaffective, the psychosis at least is always there, and sometimes there's some depression. 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:36.399 So that's what those things are. 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.960 So that's what she's talking about with, you know, my brother had, you know, psychotic depression. 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:42.879 But yes, DID and dementia. 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.679 We know grandma had DID for sure. 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:55.919 And then one thing I immediately noticed when she said grandma had DID is she talks about sleepwalking herself. 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:03.039 Like Annie herself talks about she has these sleepwalking episodes, right? 00:13:03.440 -->

00:13:11.360 Do you remember anything significant that happened during any of these what she calls sleepwalking episodes? 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:30.799 So in the film, we learn that at some point she sleepwalks into her kids' room and douses them with some sort of flammable liquid, and she has matches. 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:46.399 Her son Peter wakes up, starts freaking out, justifiably so, and even that aspect, you can you can almost feel that Peter's will always have this resentment. 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:47.279 And fear. 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:49.679 And fear that his mom is going to do this. 00:13:50.159 --> 00:14:01.919 That's also something that the supernatural aspect of the film uses to continue to break down the people inside this home. 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:02.799 Yes. 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:04.399 So D.I.D. 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:10.000 or dissociative identity disorder, which used to be called multiple personality disorder. 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:17.200 One of the biggest aspects of that is lapses in time or lapses in memory. 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:25.600 And that's why immediately I'm like, there's gotta be a reason she talks about her mom having DID and she has these sleepwalking episodes, right? 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.639 Because that's pretty significant. 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:30.960 Just so we kind of have an idea. 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:38.320 If you're okay with it, I want to read the actual verbatim definition of DID in the DSM. 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:39.200 Please do. 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:39.759 Okay. 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:47.600 So the what we call diagnostic criteria for DID, and this is the part, like the first criteria, which is criteria A. 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.440 It gave me goosebumps because we just you'll know which part I'm talking about. 00:14:51.679 --> 00:15:04.240 Disruption of identity characterized by two or more distinct personality states, which may be described in some cultures as an experience of possession. 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:19.679 The disruption in identity involves a marked discontinuity in sense of self and sense of agency, accompanied by related alterations and affect behavior, consciousness, memory, perception, cognition, and or sensory motor functioning. 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:24.480 These signs and symptoms may be observed by others or reported by the individual. 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:29.440 Part that got me is in some cultures an experience of possession. 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:32.000 She's supposed to be possessed throughout this movie. 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:33.200 But is she really? 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:44.559 Recurrent gaps in the recall of everyday events, important personal information, and or traumatic events that are inconsistent with ordinary forgetting. 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:46.320 Her lapses in time. 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:51.200 We have the one incident where she potentially set her kids on fire, could have. 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:58.559 But then throughout the movie, when weird stuff's happening to Peter specifically, she just happens to be there, like, I don't what's going on? 00:15:58.720 --> 00:15:59.600 What's what's happening? 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:00.320 Are you okay? 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:06.879 Well, you she even sleepwalks so hard to the point that she goes to her mother's grave and digs her body up. 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:09.200 And she has no memory of that. 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:10.799 None whatsoever. 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:17.919 The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:26.000 Obviously, it's causing problems in her family life and her home life, and then eventually it does cause problems in her work, where she destroys everything she's ever done. 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:28.320 That takes months and months and months to do. 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.519 Um, so it's it's causing distress in at least two environments. 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:32.240 We know that. 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:53.840 The disturbance is not a normal part of broadly accepted cultural or religious practice, and the symptoms are not attributable to this physiological effects of a substance, like um blackouts or chaotic behavior during an alcohol intoxication or another medical condition, such as complex partial seizures. 00:16:54.080 --> 00:17:14.400 That's a lot, but in laymans, DID is typically caused by trauma because what happens is your brain's responsibility, like your brain's sole responsibility obviously is to keep you alive, to keep all of your organs pumping, doing what they need to do, but it's also supposed to protect you. 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:29.119 Like there's almost this, we'll call it like a lid in your brain, where this lid is open and allows information to come through and allows you to, you know, your memories, your personality, all of that. 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:42.640 If you experience a trauma, that lid almost shuts and it kind of blocks away anything that was traumatic because that's why with PTSD, a lot of times people are like, I don't remember certain parts. 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:46.160 Like I myself, I don't remember certain parts of my childhood. 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:46.799 I just don't. 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:48.799 Like they're parts of my life. 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.119 I'm just like, yeah, I don't remember anything that happened, you know. 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:55.759 But it's because trauma when your brain tries to protect you from the trauma. 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:20.079 So DID is caused when someone has a significantly traumatic event that causes them to almost repress into their brain so badly that it creates an alter, what we call an alter personality, as like almost a protective factor of the person that is like the original identity. 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:20.799 Yeah. 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:30.240 So we know that Tony's mom was a narcissist, she was

neglectful, she was potentially abusive, she wasn't a very nice person. 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:49.279 Um so we know that plus, and then her mom died, and then her daughter died, but she's had this these sleepwalking episodes for who knows how long, but then you notice they increase as her grief increases, all of her symptoms start to happen. 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:56.960 So of course, during most traumatic times in her life, she almost turns into another person. 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:11.920 If you really pay attention, she if you even look at her face, whenever she is like like when she's in Peter's room and he's like, Why do you why do you hate me so much? 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:14.079 or something along those lines. 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:24.559 And she goes from like concerned mom to her face instantly changes to like this person with no emotion. 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:33.839 Like her face softens, her eyes almost go black, her mouth just goes straight, and she's like, I never wanted to be her mother. 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:40.160 Cause I and we know this is like according to this, it's a dream that she's having, but is it really? 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:45.759 Like I think all of these things that are happening, she keeps saying sleepwalking, she's not sleepwalking. 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:54.960 I think she's doing these things as an alternate personality, and I think eventually that personality becomes Charlie. 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:59.759 One of the she adds a personality, and I think the personality she adds is Charlie. 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:34.000 That's why this is another cool thing about DID, is it's been studied that people with ha that have multiple personalities, um, again, I've talked about this in psycho, but one personality wears glasses, one can have an accent, one has um diabetes, or has different blood pressure um issues, or has cholesterol issues, can have a completely different voice, and her voice changes to Charlie's voice during the seance. 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:38.319 I don't I think it's bec she's she's got DID just like her mom. 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:46.079 And I think when you hear the word hereditary and you watch the movie for the first time, what did you think hereditary was referring to? 00:20:47.200 --> 00:21:00.240 Okay, so I'm going to be absolutely transparent and say I had no clue at all why it was called hereditary. 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:01.119 Yeah. 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:18.559 So I think when I first watched the movie they called it hereditary because it's assumed that Charlie gets this trait passed down from her grandma or King Payman is what she is supposed to be. 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:31.839 Um, which again, back to the movie itself, the supernatural aspect of it is that her mom was in a cult and worshipped this demon called King Payman. 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:36.400 He's one of the what eight lords of hell or eight kings of hell or something. 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:43.920 And the very end is implied that, you know, Charlie's spirit, which was King Payman, goes into Peter. 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.559 And that's the whole part of the whole cult. 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:52.319 But so you think hereditary is about that, like the clicking and everything. 00:21:52.559 --> 00:22:04.240 I think hereditary is referring to Annie getting the same Having the same dissociation problems as her mother. 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:06.000 That's what I think. 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:17.599 I'm I'm almost kind of inclined to agree with you, just solely based on the DID conversation in the film is one time. 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:18.319 Yeah. 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.599 And it's never spoken of again. 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:28.400 And I think Ari specifically, it's he wouldn't put that in there if it didn't mean something. 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:31.279 No, no, and then and it's also it's A24. 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:31.759 Yes. 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:36.880 Ari Aster has this way of adding little tiny breadcrumbs. 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:37.599 Yes. 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:40.079 And it's extremely subtle. 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:50.079 And if you're not necessarily diving deep into the symbolism, you're not gonna necessarily catch that. 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:56.799 And you're gonna watch this film and get to the end thinking maybe something similar to what I was thinking. 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:00.880 Like, pardon my language, but what the fuck did I just watch? 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:02.240 Yeah, yeah. 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:18.079 Like, it starts off rough, it gets even worse in the middle, and then all of a sudden uh the devil gets involved, and it's like, what what what did I just watch? 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.000 That's why I hated it the first time I'd seen it. 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:21.039 It's so confusing. 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:22.000 You're like, what is that? 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:27.839 You're like really, because we've watched so there are so many movies out there of like demonic possession, right? 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:29.839 So they're all the same. 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:31.839 I feel like a lot of them are the same. 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:39.119 And I I think for me, part of the reason I hated it, I'm like, oh great, now we know it's another freaking demon movie, you know, like woo-hoo. 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:41.920 Like, I think I kind of lost interest that time. 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:56.640 But one thing that's interesting, if we're looking at this as if, okay, this didn't really happen, because we're looking at it as did everything, it's like it's like my my staff said, did that really happen, or was it the mom's mental health? 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:11.279 So if hereditary were entirely an ante, let's say that it's her entirely an Annie's head, it is a psychological tragedy about untreated PTSD, severe grief, and intergenerational psychosis. 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:21.680 Instead of demonic cults, the film acts as a metaphor for

mental illness, with the possession representing an inescapable decay of the family unit. 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.519 And I read that from definition on, you know, Google. 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:32.799 Um, where payment or the cult, these are manifestations of the trauma and paranoid delusions stemming from Annie's abusive mother. 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:35.519 She those are again protective factors. 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:43.119 That's how her brain is helping her to understand her trauma or to cope with her trauma, which is what another personality does. 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:45.200 Help someone to cope with their trauma. 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:47.680 Back to the definition of D.I.D. 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:54.480 I looked at you whenever it said that in some cultures could be considered possession. 00:24:55.680 --> 00:25:04.799 Looking at this from mental health perspective, I 100% do not believe any of this actually happened the way that it looked like it happened. 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.680 And I think Annie has D.I.D. 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.559 And severe trauma and the grief just exacerbates all of that. 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:16.480 I don't think she has psychosis like her brother. 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:27.039 I don't think I don't think that she is really experiencing a demonic possession, but I think it's supposed to look that way. 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:46.160 But it's really she has DID, and that's why she misses gaps of time, doesn't remember what she did with her son, and it's why she is now almost takes on the personality of Charlie when Charlie dies. 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:56.000 It just it's another trauma and it adds to her grief, it adds to the trauma that her brain is coming up with to, you know, to create another personality. 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:01.119 I also think she kind of adopted her mother's personality when her mom died. 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:03.920 So I I have two questions. 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:11.119 And I will ask question two if question one goes the way I want it to. 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:11.599 Okay. 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:16.319 Is this all happening in her head or is it not? 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.359 I think it's up for interpretation. 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:28.559 Um from a if you actually like read what the movie's about, it will tell you that it's not. 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:39.920 Like this is the ritual is the whole purpose is for King Payman to come alive in Peter's body because he's a good host instead of this this child girl's body, you know. 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.119 But I do I mean it's it's A24. 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:45.359 It's kind of like Midsommar. 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:46.079 You don't really know. 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:47.519 Is this really happening? 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:54.960 Or is this all in my opinion, I do think that it's all a part of Annie's mental illness. 00:26:55.039 --> 00:27:10.079 I because I I truly don't believe there would have been any other reason for that subtle detail about her mom having DID and like the family unit having history of all these mental disorders if it didn't mean something, if there was no significance to it. 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:11.599 Unless you're trying to throw us on. 00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:16.799 Let me kind of it's kind of a question and a statement at the same time. 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:24.079 But I definitely agree that she is going through something, and everything points to DID. 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:24.799 Yes. 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:31.039 I do not think it's Annie's DID. 00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:32.079 Okay. 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:34.799 I think it's Peter's. 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.359 You think it's Peter that has D.I.D. 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:39.680 No, I know it's a kind of a small theory. 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:40.240 Okay. 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:42.799 Because Annie dies. 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:44.079 Yeah. 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:46.000 We watch it happen. 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:50.559 The only living person is Peter. 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:51.599 Yeah. 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.319 It would almost have to be Peter. 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:03.039 Because you gotta also look at it from that perspective as well, that a lot of this film is also from his perspective. 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:08.559 We see a lot of what's going on in his life just as much as we are seeing what's going on in Annie's. 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:16.319 Yeah, and I guess I can kind of see that, but I it is definitely something I will not die on. 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:17.920 This is I it's just a theory. 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.759 I don't think you're wrong, but I don't think you're right either. 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:27.839 Because I I think it's both. 00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:29.359 Because I thought about that too. 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:34.480 I think again, that's why there's so much emphasis on one hereditary. 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:41.039 It's called hereditary, but just the mentioning of DID. 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:45.759 Like oh, I I agree that we are experiencing both of their. 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:47.359 I think there's both habit. 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:56.559 But I think it's the whole movie itself, it does mainly focus on Annie, but I think toward the end, whenever he's King Payman or however the hell you say his name. 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:11.920 Um yeah, I think either well, and then there's parts of the movie where he hurts himself because he sees himself as like a like he's looking at himself in his hutch in school and he's not smiling, and then his reflection is smiling. 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:22.400 Almost like a demon, you know, and then he falls asleep in class and banks his own head on the on the desk and breaks his nose. 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.279 Which very well could have been a seizure. 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.839 Or it could have been altar. 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:35.200 And that's why he don't rem he doesn't remember doing that

himself. 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:48.160 I think they're using sleepwalking and like if we're really see, I'm glad you I'm glad you said that because sleepwalking, but nobody mentions Peter's daydreaming. 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:58.319 It's almost kind of like Annie's thing is sleepwalking, but he constantly is daydreaming in school. 00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.839 But if you but then again you gotta think. 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:14.720 There's only he's only ever in one classroom in this entire movie, and what are the chances that this instructor in his classroom is one of the naked people that ends up in the freaking treehouse? 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:26.559 Well, and for and with Peter as well, he he partakes in cannabis use throughout the film, which could suppress or enhance what's going on. 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:33.119 So maybe it's not affecting him as hard as it's affecting Annie in the beginning because he was smoking. 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:43.119 But after Charlie dies, he shuts off completely and everything goes down. 00:30:43.279 --> 00:31:01.759 And then when his mom wakes him up to try to do a seance to talk to Charlie, I think that's the moment in the film where we switch from seeing her DID to now we're watching Peter's. 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:11.839 And I knew there was a correlation between drug use, specifically marijuana and DID, and I had to look it up. 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:12.960 Listen to this. 00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:26.799 So marijuana is significantly or significantly affects DID by often increasing dissociation, inducing depersonalization, and affecting system communication. 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:44.640 While some users report improved communication, reduced anxiety, or easier switching, others experience dangerous rapid switching, increased paranoia, flashbacks, and worsened dissociation. 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.720 All of those things Peter experiences. 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:56.880 He experiences flashbacks when he looks up and sees his sister in the back of the car through a rearview mirror, but he's in his classroom. 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:01.839 Yeah, and you can even consider when he sees her in the room before the ball drops on the floor. 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:02.400 Yes. 00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:06.000 That could also be just seeing her in his room as a flashback. 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:14.480 But then like the rapid switching, like he's sitting in his desk one minute, and then the next he's banging his own head on the desk. 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:15.839 Increased paranoia. 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:22.880 I mean, marijuana causes paranoia anyway, but can you imagine already having like a dissociative disorder? 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:26.319 How that would I mean, underneath the football stadium. 00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.480 He's like having a panic attack. 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:30.160 Right after he smokes. 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.359 And and oh my god, I just got goosebumps, goosebumps. 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.079 What does he say in that moment? 00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:37.119 What does he say? 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.799 What are the words he uses? 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.599 My throat feels like it's swelling. 00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:45.920 He says, My throat feels like it's getting bigger. 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.400 Who else said those exact words verbatim? 00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:49.440 Charlie. 00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:50.480 Yep. 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:55.200 What if he's what if he's switching right there? 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:56.400 Maybe. 00:32:58.079 --> 00:32:59.039 That is crazy. 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:06.000 Yeah, I'm I'm glad you brought that up because yeah, I I think DID just runs rampant in this family. 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:18.079 Yeah, and then that's probably why it's so all over the place, is because and then you get this poor dad who isn't involved in anything when it comes to mental health-wise. 00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.599 I mean, he is a technically he had to look it up, but he is a therapist. 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.480 He is a psychiatrist, yeah. 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:45.200 Um which also just kind of fuels the the fire that we are watching a movie about mental health that is trying to disguise itself as a demonic cult film. 00:33:46.079 --> 00:34:03.039 Well, and this is also in the script, like the original script, but not in the movie, where um it's implied that the dad was Annie's psychiatrist before they got married. 00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:08.639 Why why would she need to see a psychiatrist other than, you know, obviously trauma? 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:23.280 But if anybody for anybody who doesn't know the difference, like a psychiatrist can provide therapy services, but they are most known for prescribing mental health medications. 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:36.159 Some provide a short, like a therapy session along in tandem with medication, but most places, you know, that you go to, if you're going to see a psychiatrist, you're going to prescribe medications. 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:44.880 So besides, you know, maybe taking something for depression for a PTSD, what else would you take psych meds for? 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.119 You know, that's a very good question. 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:55.519 So I think I really wish that they would have kept that part in the movie and that they would have told you what he does in the movie. 00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:59.440 It almost feels very deliberate though. 00:34:59.679 --> 00:34:59.920 Yeah. 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:12.400 Like this even the fact that they just took something out that could have been a simple two-second conversation and you wouldn't have to worry about it for the rest of the film. 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.360 They decided to take it out completely. 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:26.400 And I almost wonder if Ari did that on purpose because he knew that people like us would try to figure this film out. 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:26.800 Yeah. 00:35:27.039 -->

00:35:56.800 And I almost feel like we need to in a year redo this episode and see what we come up with after we've been doing this a lot longer, and you know, everything's just gonna get better from there, but this was a really fun experience. 00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:57.440 Yeah. 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:02.719 Apart from the horrific grief part of the film. 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.920 And it does hit different being a parent. 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:07.920 Yeah, I mean, yeah, it really does. 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:12.400 Because like when we first watched it, we weren't parents, and then you watch it now and you're like, oh god, there's no way. 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:13.679 There's no way in hell I could do that. 00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:24.480 Yeah, like I th I know exactly I mean, she's yelling and screaming and describing what she's feeling and like I just need to die, and I'm like, seems like that. 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.599 Yeah, like I I probably would feel the same way. 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:28.480 Yeah. 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:43.119 But no, I thank you, Michelle, for you know, I guess pulling giving me the extra, you know, the ten foot one inch pole, if you will, to start the movie again. 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:49.840 And then thank you to to you for you know, you, I'm looking at you, the other person talking in the mic. 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.320 Um for making me watch it again. 00:36:52.480 --> 00:37:19.760 Because I I do feel like I think where I'm at in my career too, and doing what I do for a living, I think it made the movie more interesting for me and more 'cause if like for me, this whole experience, it's like if if I know I get to play therapist with my husband on a microphone for a little bit I'm gonna enjoy the movie because I get to play therapist because I love I love what I do. 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:29.599 So I think kind of having that has like helped me watch this movie because I'm like, okay, I'm watching this from I'm watching this from a shrink's perspective, you know? 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.559 Like I get I get to try and diagnose someone, cool, let's do it. 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.960 Instead of like, oh this is just a stupid movie. 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.559 Like it it's almost like gives me that motivation. 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:42.800 It's my why, if you will. 00:37:43.119 --> 00:38:01.679 Yeah, yeah, and I I just like even, you know, just I'm pretty much I think I say it like every episode, but I love films and I love watching films, and I I love being able to experience somebody's story. 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:13.280 And the more I I do this, the more I I think I realize in myself that I watch way too many films. 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:33.599 But doing this and following a director's path and being able to finally sit down so far and say, right now, Ari Aster has not put out anything I have disliked so far. 00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:41.119 Hereditary was the very first one that I I hated it. 00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:50.480 It was I just but I wasn't looking at that film the way that I look at films now. 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:51.119 Yeah. 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:57.679 And it does not take away the love I have to watch. 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:02.639 I honestly think it's actually enhanced it for me. 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.920 Cause I'm even analyzing our kids' movies. 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:08.719 Yeah. 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:19.519 And that's been extremely fun and realizing that there is a lot of good, incredible kids' movies. 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:20.320 Oh yeah. 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.800 And TV shows Bluey, shout out. 00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:31.440 You know, maybe maybe we can start diagnosing those for um like a Patreon thing. 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:32.800 Who knows? 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:33.840 I don't know. 00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.920 But I would definitely like to get some feedback from you guys. 00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:49.440 Anyone listening, if you could please like us, follow us, comment if there's an area where you're listening where you can give us five stars. 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:57.280 And if it whatever you gotta do to get to a comment, and just let us know. 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:05.840 I would really like to start hearing from you guys, and maybe we can start a segment where we can start getting emails from you. 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:17.599 And we'll read them on the podcast, and we will have an episode on it, or we will do a few, depending on how long they are. 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:40.480 If it's even if it's something that you want to be recognized for enjoying films as much as I do, or you're a therapist like my wife, and enjoy listening and having that conversation, and who knows, maybe have you on the show one of these days to help analyze a film with us. 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:47.840 I mean, anything we kind of just can do whatever we want right now. 00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:54.960 Yeah, and I mean you can find us on Instagram, you can find us on um now Apple. 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:56.320 You can find us on Apple now. 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.880 I finally got that shit, you know, taken care of. 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:09.280 But I also have my Instagram connected to my personal Facebook, um, and you can email us at splitscreenict at gmail.com. 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.360 Yes, and please do. 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:32.000 I would really like to hear from you guys and see how everybody's doing and um give out shout-outs to anybody who emails us or reaches out to us on Instagram, especially if you have a question or anything that can help. 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:36.800 But I really appreciate you guys for being here and hanging out with us. 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:47.920 And I had a incredible time watching this this film with you, and I cannot wait to continue. 00:41:49.039 --> 00:42:00.400 I will say, as kind of a future thing, A24 is coming up with a movie called Backrooms, and I simply cannot wait for that. 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.960 I actually might request that day off from work so I can go see that in theaters. 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:06.079 Am I invited? 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:07.920 Yes, of course. 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.400 But but I hope everybody's doing okay. 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:14.559 Thanks for listening. 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.400 I hope everybody had a good Easter and we will talk to you next time. 00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:19.519 Thanks, everybody.