บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Episode 11: The Lighthouse

shifting um personalities. 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:12.480 He's also constantly on Robert Pattinson's character of doing everything around the lighthouse apart from tending to the light. 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:14.720 Yeah, that's his job. 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:25.040 The film does a really good job of portraying what it's kind of like for two men to be stuck on an island like this for for these two gentlemen. 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:30.560 Their tour on the lighthouse was supposed to be for, was it four or six weeks? 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.199 Uh, I think it was six. 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:39.120 Which, I mean, think about it, you know, even a month on an island with another person doesn't sound that bad, right? 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:40.560 Watch the film. 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:58.720 Tell me that every second you're staring at that screen, you don't have a little bit of anxiety of being almost outcast to this island, and now you're stuck with this old man who does nothing but scream, fart. 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:03.040 He at one point has sex with his bed. 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.160 There's just there's so much going on. 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:20.800 Well, it's interesting you brought up the sex with his bed thing, because when I was doing my little research for the movie, there is speculation that there are homosexual themes. 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:28.480 Like if you notice, they kind of watch each other being intimate with themselves, if you catch my drift. 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:29.360 Yeah. 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:36.480 Yeah, because Winslow was looking at Wake through the the hole of the roof for an extended period of time. 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:39.199 And then, yeah, vice versa. 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:40.399 They looked at each other. 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.000 But I mean, you gotta think back then that was a big no-no. 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:47.439 But they're also their relationship is super weird. 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:49.600 Like they go from they're almost like a married couple. 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:53.680 Like, I don't know if you noticed, but they kind of switch roles sometimes. 00:07:53.920 --> 00:08:00.800 Like Winslow does all the hard work, heavy lifting, the cleaning, stuff like that. 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:07.839 And then Wake does all the cooking, and then they sometimes switch roles. 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:21.120 Like then Wake becomes the like the drunk husband almost, but then also the wife at the same time because he's trying to tell Winslow what to do and how to do it, and then he's doing it wrong. 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:27.759 So I don't know if that's just coincidence, but I found that to be kind of interesting too. 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:35.360 And I also kind of felt like the constant um put down that berating. 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:54.639 Yeah, though that Winslow goes through is almost like I feel like Wake was like conditioning him, like almost breaking him down so that he could have somebody that will do and say anything that Wake wants him to do. 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:01.120 And through the film we kind of find out what happened to his last what what do you call them? 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:02.720 Partner, maybe? 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:04.399 Yeah, I guess we can do it like that. 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.960 Yeah, his last partner um apparently went crazy. 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:25.039 And he makes an appearance in the film, but I think he kind of makes an appearance in the film a lot more than the moment his head is shown on screen after Winslow fishes him out of the bay. 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:31.360 This is gonna kind of go into the third character, in my opinion, of this film. 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:58.080 You have Winslow, you have Wake, and like I mentioned in the beginning, you have a cycloptic seagull who comes around often enough, and it's I I think the seagull is almost like a reincarnation of Wake's past partner trying to warn Winslow that Wake is crazy. 00:09:58.799 --> 00:09:59.440 Yeah. 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:01.440 Which he kind of is. 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:10.480 But also, didn't it talk about how his old partner something happened to his eye? 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:14.879 And then you see the seagull with a missing eye. 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:25.840 Almost like saying that the seagull is almost like the reincarnated version of his previous partner trying to like almost like warn Winslow in a way. 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:43.919 Yeah, and Robert Pattinson's character towards uh maybe three-fourths through the movie ends up brutally killing the seagull after Wake has discussed with him on more than one occasion that it's bad luck to kill a seabird. 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:44.879 Yeah. 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:54.559 And that's where the superstition with Wake starts to come through as well, where he's the old man of the sea, and the sea was always calling for him. 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:59.039 Winslow goes, tries to get to know Wake, and like, do you have family? 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:00.879 Do you have did you ever have kids? 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:08.960 And um ends up Winslow isn't Winslow, he's somebody else, and he's on the run trying to start a new life. 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:15.519 But I mean it's 1890, so you really can just kind of disappear and start again, and nobody would bat an eye. 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:24.720 And he's just trying to make a decent wage, and you know, he's throughout the film he's discussed that he's pretty much a jack of all trades. 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.840 He's not a master of one thing, he's just really good at everything. 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:44.240 And then we have a scene where Winslow can't sleep, and he walks up to the lighthouse, and all of a sudden Wake is butt naked, and a huge tentacle is involved. 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:45.679 And yeah. 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:50.000 Um, I believe the subtitles even said squelching seconds. 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:51.120 Oh, yeah, it did.

00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:53.440 It absolutely did, which grossed me out. 00:11:54.240 --> 00:12:02.000 So but that's that's A24, because for all we know, Winslow could have been hallucinating all that. 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:06.879 What there's a drink that they're constantly drinking. 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:08.879 What is it? 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.600 Turpentine and honey. 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:17.039 So turpentine essentially is a paint thinner. 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:32.320 And back then, people would use turpentine and honey as almost like a cough suppressant, but it was also very poisonous and they didn't realize it was poisonous. 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:47.120 So that in my opinion, I think them starting to drink the paint thinner with the honey is when their brains started to spiral. 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:55.519 That's when they started to hallucinate, they started to get paranoid because that was kind of their last resort. 00:12:55.679 --> 00:13:04.879 They ran out of alcohol, their rations were going, you know, were lowering, I guess, or they were not having as they didn't have as many rations. 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:10.559 And that's when they started to feel ghost or crazy. 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:23.440 Well, it's it's also because of they're supposed to be there for a certain period of time, and this massive storm hits and will not stop keeping them there for who knows how long. 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:24.080 We don't know. 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:24.879 Yeah, we don't know. 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:26.399 It could be weeks, it could be days. 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:29.679 To to them, it's it's a lifetime. 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:36.080 But my question is, was all of this real? 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:38.559 Was all of this really happening? 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:40.960 There's mermaids involved as well. 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:42.960 I don't know if we've mentioned that. 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:54.159 Um and like there's some sort of sanity in the beginning, but then toward the middle and the end, it's almost like he just goes cuckoo bananas and just loses his shit. 00:13:54.399 --> 00:14:02.879 So my my question is, do you think that any do you think all of this is actually happening, or do you think that it is in their heads? 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:08.080 I definitely think that the relationship that these two men have is real. 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:08.559 Okay. 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:10.639 I think the lighthouse is real. 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.799 I think the work and the stress and the pressure of it is real. 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:33.519 Everything else, I feel like, is just a representation of being alone on an island, isolated, isolated, sexually frustrated, and you're drinking something that is essentially poisoning you. 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:35.840 No telling what that does to you. 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:40.639 But both of these men had already come to this island bringing baggage with them. 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:41.360 Yeah. 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:43.360 Especially Wake. 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:53.759 And the understanding that his last partner died on the island, and it's just it is a mess. 00:14:54.320 --> 00:15:03.519 Well, I think it's good to mention too that Winslow also came with baggage where I mean, do you remember what happened to his last employer? 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:08.480 He uh he killed him, didn't he, with a saw? 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:10.000 Like when he cutting down trees or something? 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:10.879 Yes. 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:12.720 He did kill him. 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:27.600 And I almost feel like this was a punishment for him was to be with another because Wake is is his employer. 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:28.879 I mean, that's his boss. 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:47.279 And so for him to be put in another position where he's almost being punished for the d death and the the murder, essentially, of his last boss by being put in this position with someone who is mean and hateful and drives him crazy. 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:52.559 And it's almost like his guilt is being manifested by Wake. 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:57.600 This is like the manifestation of his guilt for killing his boss. 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:07.519 Now he's getting punished by having to be stuck on an island with someone who is like his I mean, his last boss that he killed. 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:09.679 Yeah, that makes sense. 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:20.159 And I think that yeah, I mean the trauma for both of them. 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:26.480 But then, you know, Wake talks about his family and Winslow talks about not really having a family. 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:36.320 Like they almost complement each other in that way, but I think that also is their downfall, is the similarities that they have with each other and they don't realize it. 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:48.639 But I almost have this feeling that Wake is not alive throughout the entire movie. 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:53.600 Like I feel like he was dead. 00:16:55.360 --> 00:17:04.880 Or in I feel like they're in this like the island is purgatory, and that's why they're stuck there with each other. 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:23.279 That's like their eternal damnation almost is being in purgatory with each other when they drive each other crazy, almost like they knew, or like whoever put them together knew that they were gonna be the absolute worst for each other, and now they're stuck there for eternity. 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:25.839 That's a good point. 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:37.440 There's a scene where Winslow is burying Wake, and I mean Wake was motionless, being dragged to the burial site. 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:47.119 It was a very violent fight these two men had, which Winslow obviously won, and then all of a sudden Wake gets up. 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:52.799 But he's not only does he get up, but he literally put pounds of dirt on this man. 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:54.160 Pounds. 00:17:54.960 --> 00:18:01.119

And then he just magically within minutes is able to get himself out of this dirt and then just come attack him. 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:04.160 How long had he been in that dirt? 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:09.519 And I know, as a listener, what you could be thinking, well, that's movie magic. 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:11.279 This is A24. 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:11.599 Yeah. 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:15.440 And there's a reason why we chose to do A24 as a series. 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:17.680 And no, Twisty Turneys. 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:25.200 Nothing in these films is put in there without an ounce of thought. 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:26.720 Everything is deliberate. 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:31.119 Everything is in place and where it's supposed to be for a specific reason. 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:33.839 But I also had another theory. 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:38.720 Maybe Wake's alive, but maybe Winslow's not. 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:44.720 And this is like a uh almost like a a fever death dream for him. 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.960 And like he's lying dead on the rocks the whole time. 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:53.119 But his consciousness is stuck on the island. 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:59.839 And that's why at the very end it shows the seagull as a basically eating it. 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:02.960 Because he'd been there for a while. 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:15.200 But if we're talking about like taking out theories, and if I were to just look at these two gentlemen from a psychological perspective, okay. 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:23.039 So if we're talking mental illness, okay, I think both of these men have trauma. 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:23.759 We know that. 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.839 I've talked about that in most of these A24 films, someone has trauma. 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:36.720 But I think that Wake for sure has some and Wake is Willem Dafoe's character. 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:46.160 Um he I wanna at at the very beginning, I wanted to be like, man, this dude's got a personality disorder. 00:19:46.640 --> 00:20:06.880 Like he's just he's a narcissist and he's he's batshit crazy, but I really I think in reality he is it's been years of isolation that has pretty much melted his brain and it's made him psychotic. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:27.839 I think the isolation, the guilt of I mean, he talked about how he no longer has a family because he's been gone for months and months and months at a time, never saw his family, you know, he has all this guilt, and then he's turns to drinking alcohol, and we know what alcohol can do to the body and the brain over time. 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:40.160 And I think a lot of his issues are related to alcoholism, especially when you add the turpentine and honey, because that's basically it's poisoning him. 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:50.000 So if he were to walk in, I would think trauma and some psychosis, but I think exacerbated by substance use. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:58.559 And the substance use I think is hiding deeper issues for him, like depression. 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:05.359 I think he's severely depressed, but you know, he's also a man, he's an older man. 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:09.519 Older men don't get depressed, instead they just drink, right? 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:16.559 Or they b they boss around other people, or they make other people feel like they're tough and they're, you know, that nothing can hurt them. 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.359 But I do think he's lonely and I think he's depressed. 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:36.559 I think he tries to befriend Winslow, but then he realizes he's getting too close to Winslow, and so he pulls back, and that's whenever he starts like belittling him and to try and make himself feel superior because he doesn't feel superior. 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:47.920 And then if you think about Winslow, I think Winslow, I think Winslow's got a personality disorder, some sort of personality. 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.440 I don't know what it is, but I mean he killed his last boss. 00:21:51.920 --> 00:22:04.319 He changes his identity, he changes jobs regularly, he doesn't really seem to have any sort of like I don't know if you pay attention to him, but very rarely does he show genuine emotion. 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:06.960 Uh apart from anger and frustration. 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:07.759 Yes. 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.559 Other than that, no other emotions. 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:17.599 So I almost feel like, yeah, he's got some sort of personality disorder. 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:23.599 Where he just doesn't he doesn't feel things like a normal human does. 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:25.680 So you think an antisocial? 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:26.799 I don't know. 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:32.720 I mean he's got a lot of cluster B traits, so he's got narcissist traits. 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:39.200 He's got borderline traits, you know, he's got antisocial traits, histrionic traits. 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:41.200 He's got traits of all four of 'em. 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:43.119 All four in the cluster B. 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:50.160 But he's really difficult because you want to think that he's the good guy throughout the entire movie. 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:51.039 Right? 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:52.880 Like you almost want to feel bad for him. 00:22:52.960 --> 00:23:00.960 Like he's just trying to do a job and he's just trying to do this, but then you really find out what a terrible person he is and how selfish he is. 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:09.599 And like he's doing these odd jobs for a reason because he can't do anything else and he doesn't have any family or friends and it's like well why? 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:10.640 Why is that? 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:12.880 Because of the type of person he is. 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:23.920 But I do think that he it wants you to think he feels guilty for what he did to his previous boss but I don't think he does at all. 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:31.119 No, it's almost like when he was explaining to Wake what was

going on when he finally opens up to him about it. 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:38.559 It seemed like he almost I wouldn't say relished in it but he's almost proud of himself. 00:23:38.880 --> 00:24:06.720 He enjoyed the conversation that's definitely what it sounds like and but I mean there's more to this film than just trying to figure out what's going on in these guys' minds it's the environment too and it's really hard to decipher what's going on without having to sit down and watch it over and over again just to kind of get the idea of it. 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:12.720 And Robert Eckers did a great job. 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:32.960 Willem Defoe and Robert Pattinson what an incredible duo two actors I'd never would have thought would have been on screen together give us this type of Oscar winning performance and I would almost like to sit down and talk with one of them to see if they even had a clue what the hell they were doing. 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.039 I mean yeah you got Green Goblin and Emo Batman on screen together. 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:38.319 It's going to be a good duo. 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:41.839 Well it's not just emo Batman you got Edward Cullen. 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:45.599 Oh yeah so what sparkly Emo Batman? 00:24:45.759 --> 00:25:10.400 Yeah has to be and then you got like you know Well and Defoe one of the greatest actors of our time and you you put all those ingredients together into a pot and you get the lighthouse and you get what really truly is an incredible film that is very difficult to understand. 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.759 Yeah I think I'd probably watch it again. 00:25:15.920 --> 00:26:19.359 I kind of want I I really liked the take on the Greek mythology because when I I remember we watched this the first time and we were like what the fuck did we just watch and then we looked up after the fact and we saw that Greek mythology stuff and we were like almost mind blown like oh my gosh that makes so much sense so I really like that piece of it but I also kind of like the idea that they're in purgatory and this is like their punishment for their faults but it's 824 like 824 literally could have just been like A24 literally could have just been like I really like lighthouses and I really like you know squid I want to make a movie about a lighthouse and a squid you just and and and that's the thing about A24 that's cool is like he they leave it to your interpretation. 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:33.200 All the movies are up for interpretation based on the viewer but if you think about if you're isolated on an island by yourself or with somebody else for an extended period of time chances are you're probably gonna go crazy. 00:26:33.680 --> 00:27:03.200 Yeah I mean we're a tribal creature we are we we are a social animal we have to have some sort of interaction with other people and we got a real good taste of that during COVID and a lot of people are still dealing with the aftermath of that and some of them will deal with

it for the rest of their lives but in conclusion I forgot to say something wake damn it. 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:46.960 Oh well it's okay but I I swear you had something you wanted to discuss about wake so yes I forgot to mention this earlier but yeah his obsession with the lighthouse and things being perfect I almost feel like he could have a touch of OCD because if you think about one there's an obsession with the lighthouse he doesn't allow anybody else to go up there but he also has this weird like fear if so like it almost hurts him if someone doesn't like his food that he cooks. 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.319 Oh yeah they had a real huge drag out fight about it. 00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:51.039 Yeah. 00:27:51.279 --> 00:28:44.720 And so I mean he could have a touch of OCD as well where like the lighthouse is an obsession and then so OCD if you have an obsession with something sometimes you use a compulsion to almost counteract the obsession or to um help to feed the obsession and his compulsion would be sexual up in the lighthouse to feed his obsession and he's ashamed of it at the same time and that's why he doesn't want Winslow to go up there because that's one that's his lighthouse that's his creature whatever it is but also there's some shame around the obsession that he doesn't want people to see yeah that makes sense maybe he's also not cleaning up there too so there just could be spider webs all over the place. 00:28:45.039 --> 00:29:03.599 Gross but yes and then you know with his cooking and his drinking you know those are also could be considered compulsions you know yeah and then him getting pissy with Winslow about how he mops the floor like he's very particular about everything too. 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:04.240 Yep. 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:16.720 So again up for interpretation um but it could be OCD or it could just be someone who has been doing it for years and wants it done a certain way. 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:47.279 That makes sense to me but in conclusion the beauty of the lighthouse is that most of everyone's theories could be correct it uses a supernatural theme to paint a perfect portrait of isolation just remember next time you're stuck inside on a rainy day with a roommate or a partner just remember it could be worse. 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.599 At least nobody is killing seagulls. 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:54.000 At least seagulls aren't killing you that is absolutely true. 00:29:55.359 --> 00:30:19.680 Well hopefully everybody has enjoyed this episode sorry if it feels like it's been all over the place um it has been a wild ride the last probably five six weeks and uh hopefully we can get back on track and getting things out regularly and we can only keep going. 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:29.200 So it's almost spooky season which is our favorite so you'll probably hear a lot of random spooky movies that we'll be talking about over the next several months. 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:48.400 Yes and I am going to be uploading a few episodes to the Patreon this week and I am going to add a preview of my first episode right now. 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:53.200 I wiped the lens thinking it was just morning condensation. 00:30:53.440 --> 00:31:06.640 When I looked back though through the crosshairs I saw them about 200 yards away nestled in the dark hollow of a collapsed concrete roof were two twin points of light. 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:25.200 They weren't reflecting my laser they were generating their own they were the color of a dying fire a deep visceral bloody crimson I pulled my face away from the tripod with the naked eye the shadows were just shadows. 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.200 But when I looked back through the glass the lights were closer. 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:37.519 They hadn't blinked, they didn't move up or down like a creature shifting its weight they just drifted forward. 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:59.359 Alright hopefully you guys enjoyed that little sneak peek of my first episode on our Patreon account Static in the canopy and you can listen to that at patreon.com slash split screen ICT and hopefully you guys enjoyed it. 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:16.480 Anything else you would like to add nope I hope everybody had a good fourth and I'm excited to be back on it and just thank you everybody for continuing to support us and being patient with us and we hope that you enjoyed the episode and we promise that we will be more consistent. 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:41.119 All right thanks everybody have a great time and we will see you guys in the next one before we get into the knitting ingredient