บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ What Is Trance Mediumship? Fear, Ego and the Art of Allowing | The Mediumship Sessions #5

mediumship, that was a state that a lot of people, the trance state really began their kinda journey with in a lot of senses, kinda sitting in that. 00:05:54.777 --> 00:06:01.431 And I feel that in the modern day, we, we've kind of very much, I think changed our relationship in the way that we look at trance. 00:06:01.451 --> 00:06:11.773 Because even myself, when I was first looking at doing trance, I almost automatically assumed that that was something you would do when you was advanced. 00:06:11.784 --> 00:06:19.177 So why do you feel people would, kind of explore the trance states earlier on, you know, back in time? 00:06:19.177 --> 00:06:23.004 And how, how do you feel that's, that's changed with the world that we live in? 00:06:23.838 --> 00:06:28.889 I do believe it is a lot to do with, you know, they had a lot less, distractions. 00:06:29.725 --> 00:06:39.037 And obviously during the war, that was really when, you know, the mediumship and speaking spirits seemingly, you know, picked up a lot in that it became more publicly known, in England. 00:06:39.253 --> 00:06:42.145 and so they just used to sit in the dark. 00:06:42.146 --> 00:06:52.176 So, you know, without, I feel without the great intention, they were already sort of sitting for the art the you know, the trance and the physical type states. 00:06:52.484 --> 00:07:08.046 which was allowed for a deeper state of blending and movement for spirit to, to… You know, it's like creating them the perfect space, which is why it is imperative with any, you know, part of your spiritual development to allow the time to sit. 00:07:08.445 --> 00:07:18.895 I don't know if, I, sometimes I think people get an intrigue and an interest into trance, and then that leads them to want to, you know, do and, you know, experience and, you know, what is this about. 00:07:19.099 --> 00:07:21.564 and I think sometimes it is just very much a calling. 00:07:21.568 --> 00:07:23.713 I don't believe that everybody is a trance medium. 00:07:24.019 --> 00:07:32.109 I, I believe that, that you can, you can attempt to be, you can try, you can give yourself that space to do so, and in that, the potentiality will build. 00:07:32.391 --> 00:07:34.341 But, I do feel very much it was a calling. 00:07:34.342 --> 00:07:38.854 I mean, I used to sit, and for years I didn't even realize that that was what I was doing. 00:07:39.612 --> 00:07:53.249 it was at a course that I then thought,"Oh, oh, okay, so I've been doing this." You know, like, there was, it was just, you know, a natural process me, and there will be many others out there that maybe are already going through that natural process and just don't realize it. 00:07:53.287 --> 00:08:07.173 And then, you know, the the, the tide will turn, and they'll think, "Oh, okay, so we've been doing this for a while now." You make an interesting point there because, We are obsessed as human beings with labels and putting labels on everything. 00:08:07.414 --> 00:08:24.182 And even as

you're saying that, it reminds me of when I first went to, a mediumship teacher, and I'm laughing at this because it was a day psychic course, and it was my very, very first, sort of journey into this world. 00:08:24.386 --> 00:08:26.117 And I'd found a lady on Google. 00:08:26.126 --> 00:08:28.829 She lived about half, about an hour away in Exeter. 00:08:29.164 --> 00:08:46.519 And I drove to go and see her, and it was at her house, and it was like a psychic day where she'd do a bit of the tea leaves, and it was quite funny actually, 'cause one of the things, she got me to do during the day was she would give me a photo of an object and then hide that object somewhere, and I had to psychically find the object. 00:08:46.540 --> 00:08:53.976 Now, I have to say, she was very, allowing in this experience because, you know, you could have quite easily found yourself rooting round all her drawers and cupboards. 00:08:54.177 --> 00:09:04.215 But actually, I I did, she said, "The item will be somewhere downstairs." And I thought, "Oh, my goodness." you know, I could, I could have found myself pulling all her drawers apart. 00:09:04.248 --> 00:09:07.074 However, I found the object quite quickly. 00:09:07.502 --> 00:09:29.855 But when I first started doing psychic readings, I got in my head about, "Right, okay, I need to feel into this person." And when I look back now, I absolutely laugh because what had I been doing for the last 15 years in my career, screening candidates, is I'd been psychically reading them. 00:09:30.176 --> 00:09:33.889 Because I'd get a candidate on the phone and I'd think, "Mm, this person's lying to me. 00:09:33.889 --> 00:09:46.510 This person isn't really wanting to leave." And what I'd got very used to was reading in between the lines, because what a candidate says to you, in my experience of legal recruitment, and what they actually do are two different things. 00:09:46.510 --> 00:09:53.990 You know, a candidate might say,"Oh, I'm looking for 85,000." And I, I'd think, "Actually, I know that you'd look a little bit less than that. 00:09:53.992 --> 00:10:22.012 What you're doing is over-batting." So, I'd developed those skills in the police, I'd developed them in legal recruitment, but then I come to sit down, do a psychic reading, and I thought, "Oh, right, okay, now I need to learn how to be a psychic." And like you say there, in the trance states, a lot of people are already in that kind of state in some way, and it… Even what's coming into my mind now is a musician, an artist, someone that's got inspiration. 00:10:22.014 --> 00:10:35.344 And I, I've heard it so many times, you know, when you listen to artists and they say, "I just got this bolt of inspiration from somewhere." And they know that this was, you know, in some way, you know, outside of them, selves. 00:10:35.494 --> 00:10:51.666 So it's, the point I'm trying to make here is about labels and about, you know, when you're starting to develop these states, as soon as you suddenly say,"Right, I'm doing trance now," it's, it's, it's even you identified that you've kind of been, within that state in some way. 00:10:51.699 --> 00:10:56.060 But it's, it's this ability that we have as human beings to want to label everything. 00:10:56.094 --> 00:10:56.832 Are we a beginner? 00:10:56.846 --> 00:10:57.677 Are we intermediate? 00:10:57.715 --> 00:10:58.244 Are we advanced? 00:10:58.502 --> 00:10:59.959 Are we, professional? 00:10:59.960 --> 00:11:07.239 It's, we're obsessed, aren't we, with the need to label Yeah, that's the natural part of the human being I think, and we're line with the ego. 00:11:07.305 --> 00:11:17.956 I mean, there's this great myth that, you know, you, you can't have ego and, and in some, and in many instances of the ego, it isn't, it doesn't align with being a spiritual person in spirituality and within this work. 00:11:17.983 --> 00:11:24.447 But actually it's natural form to have in part ego, and that's where we wanna label everything, where are we, you know. 00:11:24.637 --> 00:11:30.151 And it, it, I suppose in a way there's this undertone affecting of the self-worth and confidence. 00:11:31.019 --> 00:11:33.642 but it's true, the trance state is in anything, you know. 00:11:33.700 --> 00:11:49.470 you know, art is a form of a trance state, you know, because there's different levels, of, of, you know, you know, the mental mind in the blending and allowing of the sort of like natural influence, whether it be of your own psyche or whether it be from spirit, in the movement of that. 00:11:49.831 --> 00:11:52.552 And even in driving, you know, as an example. 00:11:52.581 --> 00:11:58.576 You know, you think, "Oh, God, got another hour," and before you know it's 15 minutes left, you know, 'cause you've sort of been just in pilot mode. 00:11:58.614 --> 00:12:00.744 But, you know, it's, you know, trancy type state. 00:12:00.744 --> 00:12:02.045 It worries me when that happens. 00:12:02.045 --> 00:12:03.195 Sounds mad to say that. 00:12:03.195 --> 00:12:15.865 Well, no, it because you suddenly think to yourself, "Oh my goodness, I've not really, been, you know, absolutely paying attention at the wheel." And we can all relate to that because we do go into some kind of autopilot mode. 00:12:15.913 --> 00:12:17.731 Do you know what you're actually making me remind me of? 00:12:17.735 --> 00:12:18.411 This is funny. 00:12:18.762 --> 00:12:28.199 I was driving up a hill in, Bristol a few years ago, and I was in that kind of mode where I'm of course I'm paying attention, I'm driving a vehicle. 00:12:28.444 --> 00:12:43.192 But I suddenly was going up this hill, and there was one of those speed cameras, vehicles of the police, and it gave me terrible anxiety, and I thought to myself, "I think I've got a ticket." And my mum said to me, "Well, if you get one, you're gonna get one." And I said, "No, no, no, no, no. 00:12:43.247 --> 00:12:52.495 I want to go knock on the, door to ask him if I've got a

ticket," And next thing you know, I'm knocking on the side of the door, and no one answered of the, the police van. 00:12:52.497 --> 00:13:04.326 And, then I knocked again, and he opened the window really abruptly and he said to me, "Can I help you?" And I said, "Well, well, I'm really sorry, but I was driving up the hill now, and I think I might have maybe been a bit over, I'm not sure. 00:13:04.492 --> 00:13:17.980 Could you just clarify if you caught me or not?" And then he proceeded to give me a 15-minute lecture on how I'm driving a deadly weapon And I said to him, "Okay, so did you catch me or did you not?" And he said, "Well, no, but…" you know, we go into that state, don't we? 00:13:18.014 --> 00:13:20.600 And you know, you have to, be, be careful. 00:13:20.620 --> 00:13:27.729 But then you could come to do and want to sit in the trance state, and then we fight that battle with the mind because now we want it. 00:13:27.729 --> 00:13:35.657 Now we want to sit in the state, and it's, it, it, it's difficult to maybe move into it because of the battles we have with the mind. 00:13:35.658 --> 00:13:41.971 But this is where we can be so hard on ourselves because actually, most of us have been in the trance state. 00:13:42.036 --> 00:13:43.606 Well, we all have in our life at some time. 00:13:43.606 --> 00:13:51.428 We have all entered that state unconsciously because… How would you describe it to people, that kind of moving into the state? 00:13:51.428 --> 00:13:55.754 What does it feel like so people can kind of understand their relationship with it? 00:13:55.755 --> 00:14:02.606 Because I believe that we have all moved into it, because it's that, that state before you fall asleep, it almost feels like in a lot of senses. 00:14:02.937 --> 00:14:03.926 It is, actually. 00:14:03.926 --> 00:14:05.043 It is a lot, a lot of it. 00:14:05.324 --> 00:14:08.019 And, you know, you know, the problem being is, you know, we try. 00:14:08.234 --> 00:14:10.652 And, it's in the trying that we're getting in the way. 00:14:11.202 --> 00:14:12.889 You know, a very human thing to do. 00:14:13.110 --> 00:14:19.250 I mean, the, you know, going into the trance states is, I I should imagine is quite different for most people. 00:14:19.603 --> 00:14:39.882 for me, it was very much a feeling of sort of like going down, up, whirling, and a, you know, real essence of this energy sort of pushing me around and just feeling, you know, the different sort of like influences, you know, working to find the best way to sort of like get me into the best hold for them to work through me. 00:14:40.292 --> 00:14:59.918 But there, you know, there's a real essence of peace within it, but you… The, the, the more you practice, the more you move in that, and then the, the more you sort of like become very still, the body almost becomes unmovable, and the thoughts kind of, you know, sort themselves out because it's, it's almost like you couldn't hold a normal thought if you wanted to. 00:15:00.196 --> 00:15:24.676 And that's when you know, really, the spirit have got a, a good hold because, you you'll almost go feel, you know, if you're still buffering around which, you know, is very, very common, you know, you'll sort of almost like go to and it just of like moves out of the way and the, you know, the transition is, you know, it's a, it's a very fluid thing, I would say, 'cause you, you feel the movement of the energy in the process of doing so. 00:15:25.093 --> 00:15:28.673 And, you know, a lot of people do have this sort of like going down feeling. 00:15:28.932 --> 00:15:42.312 but you know, you can just as well have this going up feeling because, you know, I experience both, depending, I believe, on where I'm at that day, and what they need to do to sort of like clock me in, if you like, before I clock out. 00:15:42.430 --> 00:15:43.235 Ah, ah. 00:15:43.577 --> 00:15:45.440 Well, it literally is like that, isn't it? 00:15:45.454 --> 00:15:58.715 It's you are, you are clocking out in a lot of senses, because it's about moving into that state of being where, you know, your, your conscious mind, your active mind is just starting to quieten. 00:15:59.031 --> 00:16:06.759 And I have to say, when I… And this is the thing when you describe trance, we all experience it differently. 00:16:06.980 --> 00:16:16.034 And I have to say that, it's changed for me in a sense that I used to feel that I was sort of just melting into it by going kind of up. 00:16:16.238 --> 00:16:19.392 But actually, these days I'm going down into it. 00:16:19.394 --> 00:16:28.341 And if you were wanting to develop, trance, I think you've got to really understand that it's so individual. 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:37.119 And if the way that you are trying it, and this is again, this you have to be very careful with this word trying, because trying is what creates resistance. 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:38.682 It it's what creates the block. 00:16:38.682 --> 00:16:43.332 And my God, I know about, you know, how much trying can, create that resistance. 00:16:43.332 --> 00:16:47.572 And, and people are gonna be going, "Well, if I'm not trying, what am I doing?" You are allowing. 00:16:47.736 --> 00:16:50.190 You are allowing, and there is a big difference. 00:16:50.211 --> 00:16:53.223 Trying is there's resistance in that. 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:58.302 You are, trying to reach, trying to grab, and it, and it feels different. 00:16:58.479 --> 00:17:16.860 And it can be really hard to just overcome that very simple step in understanding that trying, And, and, and yes, okay, trying, if we want to really sort of dissect this, the very act of you sitting and allowing is you trying, is you attempting, is you experimenting. 00:17:17.076 --> 00:17:36.126 But the actual act of you trying means that when you are sitting, you trying to push, and the problem is, is with that, you… I understand it, 'cause when I'm sitting, and in those earlier days, I would be constantly within my mind

doing something. 00:17:36.141 --> 00:17:38.611 "Right, okay, I need to push the energy outwards. 00:17:38.611 --> 00:17:58.429 Right, okay, I need to raise the vibration." And all of these things are putting me in my mind and not in the place that I need to be, and it can be so difficult to that, for that penny to drop because we have been conditioned from the very first day you was at school, you need to try. 00:17:58.586 --> 00:18:00.240 You need to make an effort. 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.473 You need to go and, you know, work hard. 00:18:03.687 --> 00:18:13.439 And all of these things and this conditioning is so strong within us because it's, it, it's the very fabric of everything we've ever known within our consciousness. 00:18:13.645 --> 00:18:30.448 and to, to, to really understand that in mediumship, you need to allow, it, it's… That is a journey in itself, and it's a journey that took me a very long time, and still I will find myself sometimes, you know, when I sit, and I will have to go, "Just what are you doing? 00:18:30.553 --> 00:18:33.725 Like, get back to just sitting and allowing." Because it depends. 00:18:33.725 --> 00:19:02.068 If you're not sitting often or you're not being in that state often, and you're, you know, back in the real world and perhaps you sit twice a week, and you've been in the world of work, in the world of being there with your boss, the KPIs, the metrics that you need to hit, the sales target quota that you've got, and then you're trying to step from that sort of day, from that existence into allowing, that in itself is difficult because you've just got to be very gentle, with yourself. 00:19:02.309 --> 00:19:15.530 And I, the reason I have to make that point is because if you're listening to this, episode, there is something within you that has called you to this episode, and there is something within you that's probably going to go away and to want to work with this. 00:19:15.801 --> 00:19:24.032 And I have to say that, this whole trying thing, I wish I'd really understood that sooner, but this is because it's different for everyone. 00:19:24.338 --> 00:20:12.798 Now, I wanted to ask, because we all experience mediumship differently, and at the very beginning, you will experience physical sensations, but those physical sensations differ, greatly. 00:20:12.801 --> 00:20:18.367 Now, these days in my mediumship, I, the physical sensations I get are actually quite strong. 00:20:18.378 --> 00:20:19.384 They're very powerful. 00:20:19.384 --> 00:20:24.747 They actually really sort of in a way, you know, kind of move through my body. 00:20:24.979 --> 00:20:34.367 But what is it in those early days of you discovering this that you would sense, that you would feel within moving into that state? 00:20:35.289 --> 00:20:43.503 Well, for me, I obviously had a close relationship or have got a close relationship with my guides, so I could kind of feel this presence of them moving in, if you like. 00:20:43.855 --> 00:20:52.293 And almost like being able to clairvoyantly sort of see them sort of like, you know, sitting directly with me rather than, you know, just working from the sides. 00:20:52.560 --> 00:21:03.007 so for me, you know, it may be different to, to, to many other people out there, but it will just be this general sense and sensation of like it is like a becoming, you know? 00:21:03.114 --> 00:21:09.354 a becoming of, of like, you know, one with, you know, the essence of your team. 00:21:09.742 --> 00:21:16.413 and they… in, in it there's like this real transition of energy of, of like, it's like a suppression in a way. 00:21:16.595 --> 00:21:25.048 But suppression feels like the wrong word because, you know, you're not suppressed, but you're just… It's like taking a backseat and letting them take the wheel, you know? 00:21:25.166 --> 00:21:30.172 It's, it's, it… For, you so it's, it's a good way of saying it because it is just like moving out the way. 00:21:30.470 --> 00:21:44.524 And they, you know, there's different, as you've already said, there's many different levels, in that, in, in, you know, the hold that they can gain with experience and time, and it's all about time, which leads to greater experience. 00:21:45.394 --> 00:21:57.556 The funny thing, that's jumping into my mind there as you're saying about being in the backseat is if you're gonna sit in the backseat, and I know we're using a lot of metaphors here, but sometimes that's, that's needed and a good analogy or two. 00:21:57.907 --> 00:22:14.845 But if you're sitting in the backseat, and allowing spirit, as it were, to be in the driver's seat, right, straight away what's jumping into my mind there is trust because, you know, if it was me in those early days, yes, I'll sit in the backseat, but I definitely wanna be keeping one eye open. 00:22:14.951 --> 00:22:22.718 I wanna make sure that the spirit world is, is moving me, it, on the route with the sat nav in the way that I need to move in my life. 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:28.940 Now, it, that is a problem, isn't it, when trying to move into the trance It is, but it's so common. 00:22:28.991 --> 00:22:33.579 and, you know, it'll be part of the journey all the way along I I believe until you've sort of mastered it. 00:22:33.860 --> 00:22:40.500 you know, it's a never, never ending, cycle of like, you know, getting out the way, and it depends on what levels you're working in as well. 00:22:40.844 --> 00:22:49.300 I remember once, the you know, it was probably the one first time that I actually felt the, you know, from top to bottom, oh my God, I was built like Buddha. 00:22:50.036 --> 00:22:52.704 And I remember my hands feeling massive, you know? 00:22:52.704 --> 00:22:58.158 And that was one of the first sort of experiences they gave me of like feeling totally thing. 00:22:58.158 --> 00:23:02.298 And it was almost like I'd come in and I could feel, you know, I was humongous. 00:23:02.702 --> 00:23:04.927 I was just… For me,

'cause I was tiny then as well. 00:23:04.927 --> 00:23:07.221 That's not necessarily sounding a nice experience. 00:23:07.249 --> 00:23:07.863 No, it isn't. 00:23:07.957 --> 00:23:07.997 Yeah. 00:23:07.997 --> 00:23:13.096 But, you know, I could just feel the physicalities of my hands feeling very much like a large man's. 00:23:13.411 --> 00:23:15.486 I could feel the broadness within my body. 00:23:15.486 --> 00:23:19.428 I could almost feel, you know, the, the, you're just the essence of it, you know? 00:23:19.432 --> 00:23:33.443 I, it was, it was just like this I think, I believe they gave me the experience to give me this understanding of like part of the merging You know, because obviously when you are in a state of trance, when you've sort of like been sitting, that, that sort of dissipates. 00:23:33.449 --> 00:23:41.628 You will have like the odd feelings in your face, maybe pulling, you know, and feeling like your face is being pulled or moved, and actually it isn't. 00:23:41.770 --> 00:23:44.359 It's just a greater stance of the energy. 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:47.430 And I mean, you may move your jaw then, you know, it may, that may happen to you. 00:23:47.764 --> 00:23:48.734 or pull faces. 00:23:48.973 --> 00:23:59.105 But it's, it's more about, it, it really is them trying to, you know, use that energy and getting a stronger hold so it starts affecting the physicalities more, you know? 00:23:59.144 --> 00:24:09.849 And I do, I do believe they totally did do that with me, just to sort of give them the experience of, you know, feeling, like, shift out the way and, you know, you may thing and then off you pop, you know? 00:24:10.188 --> 00:24:11.192 It's that scene. 00:24:11.192 --> 00:24:25.111 There's gonna be… as you're describing this, you know, we have to address this because you're saying there about the spirit world, your hand's getting bigger, you're becoming sort of what you feel to be, energetically like a man. 00:24:25.111 --> 00:24:30.784 Now, that sounds, to a lot of people listening to this, it's probably invoking fear. 00:24:31.021 --> 00:24:40.394 Now, is there anything that you need to sort of worry about or anything that you need to prepare for when kinda going into this state? 00:24:40.397 --> 00:25:07.476 Because a lot of people are gonna be thinking, you know, they're they're going to be, you know, worried about this to some extent Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I do feel here that if, you know, if you've got any worries or concerns about, you know, allowing spirit to move aside and, you know, and, and you know, and, and working as, you know, one vessel if you like to, to allow spirit to be able to speak directly, then you're gonna have to work on that first because it is a basis trust and understanding. 00:25:07.476 --> 00:25:11.641 You know, they're not gonna stay with you, like these people have got, you know, these spirits have got nothing better to do. 00:25:11.888 --> 00:25:13.741 they're not gonna take over, you know.

00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:20.124 they're just going to be a you're just allowing yourself as a loving vessel to be able to give them a space to work through you. 00:25:20.402 --> 00:25:27.780 and obviously any elements of fear, doubts, concerns and worries are gonna get in the way of the work, and of the blending. 00:25:27.841 --> 00:25:39.847 And so, you know, in that then it's also important to spend time with your team just in a state of meditative, you know, space to allow them to show you who they are. 00:25:39.851 --> 00:25:45.432 You know, ask them what they did, you know, who are they, what, what, you know, what's their personality like, what do they bring to table? 00:25:45.441 --> 00:25:47.508 why are they working with you, you know? 00:25:47.539 --> 00:25:52.836 And these things are important as well, I, I believe for anybody that's a spiritualist and doing this work. 00:25:53.103 --> 00:26:06.989 it's a, it's an imperative part of the work as far as I'm concerned because it all goes hand in hand, but especially within the trance because, you know, there's, there'll be this, you know, for me there's this, you know, feeling within my heart, you know, this knowing. 00:26:07.484 --> 00:26:12.936 And, you know, I don't question, I don't… You know, I've got different people that work with me for different elements of my abilities. 00:26:13.245 --> 00:26:17.478 But in that knowing is just the trust of it, you know? 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:30.142 I… see, the problem I have had in trance, with the trance states, and, going back some time, and this last week for me, that I immersed myself in it on a course, was absolutely beautiful. 00:26:30.143 --> 00:26:31.909 There were so many things that happened. 00:26:32.159 --> 00:26:39.641 I felt that sitting in trance really made me feel, so much… I could just feel the power instantly. 00:26:39.936 --> 00:26:51.634 And there's always something so magical about being on a course in the fact that, I can literally turn my attention to the spirit world, and so strongly I could feel the power of them around me. 00:26:51.811 --> 00:27:11.937 And it's almost like in the days after the course, I was doing everything to try and keep that feeling and sensation, but the problem is, when you're on a course like that, and you're immersed in that, and you're sitting in the energy for hours a day, you're never gonna be able to recreate that in the normal world, because you're sort of within the magic of, of that, environment. 00:27:12.218 --> 00:27:18.960 But, and I have to say, I'm going off topic now, one of the most beautiful things to me of that week was, my dad coming through. 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:26.656 And this is all about trust, because I was sitting in the Arthur Findlay College, people who know what it is, in the sanctuary. 00:27:26.701 --> 00:27:41.065 Anyway, as I sat for the service, I started to become aware of spirit getting my attention, and the way they always get my attention is my right temple, and

you can physically see it, starts going constantly, like pulsating. 00:27:41.346 --> 00:27:44.200 And I, I must admit that this is the interesting thing. 00:27:44.374 --> 00:27:59.036 For years before I even started developing my mediumship, I would get that, and it would freak me out 'cause I would think, oh, in some way that I'm, And it would always happen at moments when I was, kind of elated, and I now know I was in my power at that stage. 00:27:59.038 --> 00:28:04.719 So for instance, I would speak at a conference, and just before the conference I'd be like, "What the hell is going on with my temple? 00:28:04.719 --> 00:28:09.473 Why is it doing that?" You know, and I'd start having a freak-out thinking maybe there was something wrong with my head. 00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:21.377 so when I first started discovering being in the power, and it would bring that sensation on, it almost, This is interesting, though, because it's about fear, and fear then would move me out of it. 00:28:21.386 --> 00:28:28.423 So the sensation that I would get of being in the power would move me out of the power because I had fear attached to the sensation. 00:28:28.518 --> 00:28:34.942 Anyway, I was sitting in the sanctuary and I started to get that feeling, and I thought, "What the hell is going on here? 00:28:35.236 --> 00:28:43.125 Why are you trying to get my attention?" And I suddenly sat there, and I was sitting next to this lady, and I said… And I don't know what came over me. 00:28:43.347 --> 00:29:17.724 In my mind I thought, "Oh, I think I'm gonna get my dad to come through." And I thought, "Shall I lean over and tell her that?" And then I thought, "Well, I'm not sure." And then I thought, "Well, worst of that thing that happens, Jason, is he doesn't come through, so just spit it out." And I said, "My dad's about to come through." And she went, "Oh, okay," probably looking at me strangely thinking,"What's he going on about?" And then he came through and he gave this message of, you know, my dad, let's, let's be, completely frank about this, would never, you know, he'd even struggle to say I love you, you know, just me and him, let alone make declarations of love in front of an entire auditorium of however many people. 00:29:17.750 --> 00:29:34.154 But it moved me, and it moved me because I have seen how his evolution and language has evolved over time because, you know, when you're a medium doing mediumship readings all the time and practicing with people, you know, one of the things that I love about that is I get to hear from my loved ones all the time. 00:29:34.391 --> 00:29:40.610 But he came through with some information, like my road name, it's things that had happened in recent years. 00:29:40.911 --> 00:29:43.213 it's in the last year since he passed away. 00:29:43.259 --> 00:29:51.957 And what that showed me is that he's around, he's been healed, and to come through on a trance week of all weeks was just beautiful. 00:29:52.415 --> 00:30:06.332 But When I, was sitting and going into the trance, state, it is a physical experience, and it really requires, especially if you've got a busy mind, it can be really, really, challenging. 00:30:06.346 --> 00:30:23.615 And it takes a long time, trance, and it's not something where, you know, in this world of now, Amazon delivery, next day Prime, it is a really… it's a journey that takes a while, because to move into that state of being and that state of consciousness takes time. 00:30:23.649 --> 00:30:34.847 And even when you find that someone, and in the mediumship, the trance mediumship I've seen, people going into that deeper state, it takes, you know, up to kind of 10 minutes to move into it. 00:30:35.019 --> 00:30:46.286 It… And, you know, I've seen, and this is where you've gotta be discerning, there's a lot of rubbish out there online and whatever, but there's a lot of… I've seen people move into the trance state in 30 seconds. 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:54.097 And how can you know if trance is, you know, what you're seeing is, is genuine or not genuine? 00:30:54.099 --> 00:30:58.859 I think we have to address that, because there's a lot out there that isn't real trance. 00:30:59.101 --> 00:31:03.143 And, you've gotta be discerning about that, and you've gotta be discerning about your teacher. 00:31:03.144 --> 00:31:04.300 What's your thoughts on that? 00:31:05.216 --> 00:31:07.308 I just you, it's a sense of feeling. 00:31:07.609 --> 00:31:11.088 You know, you can almost feel the presence within the room. 00:31:11.125 --> 00:31:13.413 You know, so you just feel the energy shift. 00:31:13.413 --> 00:31:21.302 It almost starts feel… To me, it just starts feeling, I mean, I actually see objectively energy, so you know, if I sort of shift my eyes, you can see it. 00:31:21.310 --> 00:31:26.714 It's just like it builds within this energetic feeling of, you know, you know, expansion. 00:31:26.715 --> 00:31:28.514 It feels thicker to me. 00:31:28.548 --> 00:31:30.622 That's a, that's a… I don't know to way to explain. 00:31:30.657 --> 00:31:33.857 It's like a, a biggest feeling within the room. 00:31:33.858 --> 00:31:39.154 Like, you know, the, you almost can feel this energy of feeling that you're in the presence, you know, of more. 00:31:39.416 --> 00:31:39.799 You know? 00:31:39.884 --> 00:31:43.821 And in that is that knowing, because there'll be emotions. 00:31:43.821 --> 00:31:48.834 You'll feel your, your energetic self sort of like shift and move with the words that are being said. 00:31:49.126 --> 00:31:50.615 Because spirit are very clever, you know. 00:31:50.625 --> 00:31:59.153 When somebody's speaking to you in a, you know, in a real trance state, there will be words, brought forward, then there'll be something that will touch everybody. 00:31:59.340 --> 00:32:07.820 Even if it's two, two words that are significant to that person for that day, you know, there'll be something touches everybody and, or at least it should, you know, in a

real trance state. 00:32:08.007 --> 00:32:13.358 So there will, there'll be this, movement for you, energetically, and there's… You can feel it. 00:32:13.358 --> 00:32:23.331 It's the same really, well, it's not the same, but it's more intense, feeling like when somebody's having a mediumship reading and, you know, and you can feel the essence of that person coming through. 00:32:23.586 --> 00:32:24.019 You know? 00:32:24.110 --> 00:32:31.486 that's when you know you're really in, you know, the hands of a, a, you know, a, a heartfelt good medium because you can feel the essence. 00:32:31.488 --> 00:32:33.151 You feel moved by the message. 00:32:33.407 --> 00:32:38.346 and it's the same with trance, but I feel, you it's much larger, it's much thicker if you weigh. 00:32:38.368 --> 00:32:42.234 There's, it's more intense, energy that will permeate the room. 00:32:42.277 --> 00:32:48.451 And you'll also, you know, you might get little cold breezes moving around your legs or within the room, you know. 00:32:48.552 --> 00:32:52.662 You should be able to feel it, I think, oh, good, yeah the first thing. 00:32:52.663 --> 00:33:02.815 Because when I have seen… And I, I've seen trance, in both, this is where I need to be careful with language here, but I've seen what I believe to be someone not in trance. 00:33:02.848 --> 00:33:03.782 I will never forget. 00:33:03.822 --> 00:33:12.346 Actually, what put me off trance was years ago, I went on a trance day workshop with a medium local to me. 00:33:12.671 --> 00:33:48.577 And I went into it, and I, I must admit, I didn't feel comfortable in the group, first of all, because there was this cliquey-ness to everyone where they all kinda knew each other, and I thought, " there's something about the energy here that felt to me like there was a lot of ego about, you know, the trance state." And I was in the room, and, everyone was, sitting there obviously in the red light, and we'll talk about the red light in a moment because, you know, what the hell is the red light all about, people are gonna be thinking, because it almost feels like you're developing photographs back in the 1980s. 00:33:48.767 --> 00:33:52.906 so I would sit there, and it's me, it didn't touch me. 00:33:52.930 --> 00:34:04.067 It didn't, it, I could almost… It, it's funny because even when you're in an early stage of development, you've got to trust the way you feel, because trusting what you feel is the bedrock of everything. 00:34:04.356 --> 00:34:11.163 And in that experience, I just felt that it was egos, people puffing up their feathers, who's the best? 00:34:11.315 --> 00:34:13.835 But it, I'll be honest with you, it didn't touch me in any way. 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.388 So much so that at lunchtime I thought, "I've had enough of this. 00:34:16.388 --> 00:34:19.623 I'm out of here." So I left, because it didn't feel right to me. 00:34:19.623 --> 00:34:34.516 But when you see genuine trance mediumship I always have analyzed and felt that everyone in the room takes something from it, because the spirit world, are very clever. 00:34:34.967 --> 00:34:46.934 They, and and this is even mind-blowing in itself, they will tap into the collective consciousness of the entire room to ensure that something within that speaks to everyone. 00:34:46.990 --> 00:34:49.530 And if you see genuine trance, it does. 00:34:49.771 --> 00:34:52.608 Every single person feels something from it. 00:34:52.644 --> 00:34:59.952 I've never come across, in genuine trance, someone who hasn't got something from that, or it's not moved them in some way. 00:34:59.965 --> 00:35:01.724 But you can feel the power. 00:35:01.724 --> 00:35:04.869 Like you were saying, you might feel it by just knowing it. 00:35:04.885 --> 00:35:08.134 You might feeling it by, the physical sensations. 00:35:08.134 --> 00:35:12.472 And a lot of the time, when I watch trance, you can feel that, kind of icy coldness. 00:35:12.474 --> 00:35:14.612 I always get it on the end of my nose, like Rudolph. 00:35:14.815 --> 00:35:18.025 you know, my nose goes a bright red when there's genuine trance. 00:35:18.050 --> 00:35:33.643 But you've gotta be discerning, because I even, used to sit in a trance circle at the very early days by, by, quite a well… And this is a very well-known medium, a medium that has a lot of people, kind of under their, traineeship in some way. 00:35:33.891 --> 00:35:57.922 And, this particular medium used to lead people in, within two minutes of being led in, the first question is, and he used to say this to each person, "Friend, what would you like to say, friend?" And to me now, looking back at that, the first thing you're doing to new people is you're putting them in their blooming heads, and then you wouldn't speak for a minute, and he would go back to them and say, "Come on, friend. 00:35:58.077 --> 00:36:10.326 Tell me what you'd like to say, friend." And I'd be sitting there thinking, "Well, I, he's, he, I've gotta say something." And he would encourage people to sort of speak, knowing that they weren't in the trance state. 00:36:10.346 --> 00:36:16.521 And if you keep asking someone,"Friend, what are you here to say, friend?" You're putting them in their heads. 00:36:16.550 --> 00:36:28.376 And I would sit there going,"I just can't go to this trance circle anymore," because I… And, and the problem with that is you can get one facilitator that's not facilitating right, and, and that put me off trance for years. 00:36:28.746 --> 00:36:35.639 and, Yeah and then when I went back to trance, I'd had this bee in my bonnet that, you know, oh God, I can't talk or whatever. 00:36:35.826 --> 00:36:49.224 But when you start anything, if you're gonna start trance mediumship, you are not going to be on day one of doing it going into a deep blend with spirit and starting to talk fluidly. 00:36:49.407 --> 00:37:07.190 It takes time, and if you're with a teacher that's you know, there's this expectation that someone new comes in

and talks straight away, you know, it, it, it's completely bonkers, because it takes a very long time to, I believe, get into that state It, it does. 00:37:07.221 --> 00:37:19.855 And, you know, sure, sure there's some of us that may move quicker in it, but I do believe that it's, it's a lengthy process, and there's absolutely no way, you know, that you can do it in a matter of moments and, allow spirit to have that hold. 00:37:19.956 --> 00:37:24.739 it… I kept laughing then because it was the way you kept saying friend. 00:37:25.226 --> 00:37:41.554 but that, you know, that, that, that's interesting because, you know, you know, either they… And I mean it with the greatest respects, but either they, you know, they, they didn't have a greater understanding themselves or there was ill intention in that, you know, which is quite, you know… But we find that a lot within the the, you know, within our field. 00:37:41.554 --> 00:38:02.177 You know, there's a, there's this misunderstanding, I believe, with, with trance and the development of it and understanding the, the, you know, the, the, the really the sort of like respect and love that needs to come with it to be able to step aside and trust and, and move aside to just be the vessel, you know? 00:38:02.177 --> 00:38:05.034 And I've heard that word so many times, but in a way, that is what you're doing. 00:38:05.034 --> 00:38:21.634 You're, you know, you're not leaving your body by any means, but you're just sitting back and allowing it to be used and blended by, for, with spirit, for spirit to, to be able to vocalize whatever it is or do whatever it is they wanna come forward and do, you know? 00:38:22.161 --> 00:38:23.188 And it really I'll be honored. 00:38:23.230 --> 00:38:45.599 Well, I'll be honest with you now, even on that, I look back at that medium now, and when I think back to the trance communications that he would do, it would always be about the, the complexity of the universe, and he, it, it, the, well, proclaimed spirit through him would give these really technical descriptions of the other world. 00:38:45.632 --> 00:38:50.971 And I look back at that now, like, there'd almost be parts of sacred geometry, and it wasn't. 00:38:50.994 --> 00:38:56.018 It was ego, because I'll be honest with you, that never spoke to me at all. 00:38:56.023 --> 00:39:00.480 If anything, I, I left the trance sitting not feeling, kind of inspired. 00:39:00.547 --> 00:39:13.202 I left feeling that, my God, I've got so much to learn, and it was almost now I look back and I feel about that, that it was almost a way of, having this grandeur about himself to say, "Look at what I know. 00:39:13.219 --> 00:39:14.806 Look at what comes through me. 00:39:15.038 --> 00:39:20.621 Come into my world, come into my orbit and be trained by me." Because it wasn't speaking to me at all. 00:39:20.621 --> 00:39:26.076 It was only speaking to me in a way of going, you know, oh God, this, this, this guy's got a lot of knowledge. 00:39:26.288 --> 00:39:29.375 But it wasn't, you know, making me feel anything. 00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:45.771 And he did a reading for me once actually, and again, I now look at it, you know… So I don't want to, whack labels on it, but I, I think that there was a lot more going on there with the ego, and, sort of, proclaiming to be this magnificent medium. 00:39:46.050 --> 00:39:53.115 But, you know, even when I look now at the, the way that it was done, it, it, it didn't resonate with me at all. 00:39:53.115 --> 00:40:10.603 But, you know, I'm always been very good in being very discerning about teachers, and if I don't feel a teacher is right for me or it's, it's sort of, you know, erasing my confidence a bit or whatever, then get out of that environment because it's not right for you and you've got to, you know… And you can do this. 00:40:10.608 --> 00:40:21.233 In this world of mediumship, you can suddenly go, "Oh, this person's a medium," put them on a pedestal, put them in a certain, you know, place of grandeur in your own mind. 00:40:21.483 --> 00:40:31.003 But at the end of the day now, I always will only gravitate towards teachers who really resonate with me, that I really feel teach from the heart, and you can feel that. 00:40:31.255 --> 00:40:52.572 And, and especially with something like trance, where what you're trying to do is to move into what is ultimately a really relaxed state of being, and if you're being taught by someone where you're feeling pressure to talk, pressure to perform, pressure to get into something, you're not gonna get into that state because it's triggering within you, feelings. 00:40:52.802 --> 00:41:04.565 'cause if you feel any pressure at all, and I've I've been on, you know, trance courses prior to the week I've just had, and the pressure to talk is what will make you never talk in trance. 00:41:04.567 --> 00:41:04.577 Yes. 00:41:04.956 --> 00:41:10.666 It's interesting, because, you know, the, there is a lot of ego battles within… And you do see it, you know. 00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:15.585 Often when I've gone to a trance course in the past, I, I kinda prepare myself for that ego. 00:41:15.889 --> 00:41:20.902 And it, I, and it, it really comes from the human perspective, that this is an advancement of being a medium. 00:41:21.208 --> 00:41:26.811 and it's almost like there's some sort of grandioses put on it, and, that makes me feel quite sad as I'm saying it now. 00:41:26.811 --> 00:41:32.065 Because actually, you know, really You know, what, what part are we playing? 00:41:32.443 --> 00:41:39.277 You know, again, we are just but the vessel to move out of the way to allow to be of service with spirit, you know? 00:41:39.485 --> 00:41:47.318 And so there really in a, in a way for me, there shouldn't be… You know, yeah, we need to feel confident and good about ourselves and what we do, and own the greatness that you are. 00:41:47.693 --> 00:41:55.688 But, you know, respect, to, to, of be humble

in that, you know, you are just working for spirit. 00:41:55.875 --> 00:42:01.894 You know, you are sort of like the, the, you know, the, the machine in the middle doing the work, you know? 00:42:01.976 --> 00:42:06.478 Like, and passing the message on, you know, from spirit through spirit to spirit. 00:42:06.704 --> 00:42:16.989 You know, so really in a way it's like, yeah, we need to feel good about ourselves when we know that we're doing well, when we're, we're moving and we're, you know, we're, we're growing in, in, in our abilities. 00:42:17.380 --> 00:42:24.067 But, you know, respectfully remember there is an intelligence far greater than we as humans can possibly comprehend. 00:42:24.233 --> 00:42:39.159 We can only ever slightly touch on that to be able to then be of service for spirit, and I think that's very… You know, that's something that people sort of like need to get a greater understanding of even within themselves that do, you know, you just are, you know, if you like. 00:42:39.204 --> 00:42:42.433 I always say it's like the phone, the plastic phone in the middle, you know? 00:42:42.434 --> 00:42:43.889 That's what I am, you know? 00:42:43.922 --> 00:42:54.869 When somebody says to me, "Oh, thank you," you know, I, I do want to say,"Please, thank spirit," because actually it's them, you know, that have like, you know, passed, passed the teaching forward, passed the message forward. 00:42:54.871 --> 00:42:58.516 And I feel really emotional, 'cause I feel really passionately about that, you know? 00:42:58.731 --> 00:43:11.817 I think human, the human needs take credit, which is feeds the ego to be able to be comfortable within themselves, and actually the ego doesn't build the confidence and the self-esteem, it just strokes it. 00:43:12.244 --> 00:43:30.512 So, you know, there's this real depth, and I, I do believe, you as spiritualists we need to learn about the self and we need constantly be looking at self to be able to be aware, to be able to be… And I feel emotional again, 'cause I feel so passionately about it, to be able to be the greatest, you know, vessel, you know, be a person to be of service for spirit. 00:43:30.699 --> 00:43:36.034 Because as you've said before in previous podcasts, you know, it is a massive honor, you know? 00:43:36.085 --> 00:43:38.072 And in that it should be recognized. 00:43:38.322 --> 00:43:40.212 but it's all about the human growth, you know? 00:43:40.271 --> 00:43:43.005 Because, you know, we, we grow as people and we learn, you know? 00:43:43.007 --> 00:43:46.920 So there's no judgment in anything, of anybody that's doing anything differently. 00:43:47.201 --> 00:43:55.873 But that, you know, to just to be open to the idea of, you know, that maybe, you know, it, it, it isn't you that's been great, you know? 00:43:56.675 --> 00:43:56.958 Yeah. 00:43:56.965 --> 00:43:57.532 Oh, yes. 00:43:57.536 --> 00:44:04.364 You know, you're just being the best that you can be in, in service of, because it is all being of service. 00:44:05.206 --> 00:44:19.271 It is, and I think that's a very good barometer to use for when, discerning between even having a mediumship reading or selecting a teacher, is looking at, you know, that person's relationship with the spirit world. 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:20.820 Are they in service? 00:44:20.822 --> 00:44:22.083 Who are they serving? 00:44:22.262 --> 00:44:23.885 you know, how do they come across? 00:44:24.092 --> 00:44:34.141 And, and that, you know, for me, I, I only want to go with people forever now, that have that, that kinda priority in the right place. 00:44:34.141 --> 00:44:41.364 And for me, you know, being of service to the spirit world is ultimately the reason why I made the decision to go into mediumship. 00:44:41.364 --> 00:44:43.570 It wasn't to be of service to the city. 00:44:43.570 --> 00:44:45.244 Yes, that does form a part of it. 00:44:45.264 --> 00:44:56.219 I wanna help people, but ultimately I want to understand the role I play, and the role I play is I'm here to focus on the the spirit person to help them get across what they want. 00:44:56.253 --> 00:45:01.956 And all the work that I've ever done in mediumship is focused on that of, the spirit person. 00:45:01.958 --> 00:45:20.472 It's, it's developing the ability to be able to communicate, but we can blur these lines, and I think the reason I keep coming back to this is because so, I get so many emails from people whose confidence has been dented, their confidence has been knocked in some way because they're not in the right place for them. 00:45:20.621 --> 00:45:29.920 And I even had an email yesterday that just jumped out at me, that someone had been in the wrong environment, and I could just feel that instantly from the email, for the last year. 00:45:30.085 --> 00:45:34.038 And then they start to begin to doubt themselves and even if they're able to do that. 00:45:34.282 --> 00:45:37.579 And, and you've got to be, you know, go with what you feel. 00:45:37.588 --> 00:45:50.956 Now, with the trance states as well, When you wanna develop these states, you don't…'Cause obviously, if we talk about just trance speaking, that implies that you need to have someone to talk to. 00:45:51.157 --> 00:45:54.677 So to develop trance, you need to be in front of people. 00:45:54.677 --> 00:45:56.400 Now, that's just not the case, is it? 00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:06.240 Because you can start that, that journey of the trance energy and state, and actually, it's not just about starting it by sitting by yourself in that energy. 00:46:06.460 --> 00:46:25.882 It's actually, I feel, the bedrock of developing it, because, you want to be not just sitting there in front of people speaking, because in the early days, you shouldn't really be speaking straightaway, because if you are, then I'm gonna start to think, "Well, actually, maybe it's inspired by spirit, but it's not the spirit world talking," because you haven't developed it enough. 00:46:26.153 -->

00:46:32.565 So how you start developing that is sitting with the intention of, being in that energy. 00:46:32.570 --> 00:46:48.744 So if someone wants to start to feel what this, trance, you know, energy state of being, this state of consciousness feels like, and it's, and it's beautiful because by doing that, you are going to feel much calmer afterwards. 00:46:48.744 --> 00:46:50.407 You're going to feel much more settled. 00:46:50.407 --> 00:46:52.235 You're gonna feel healed in some way. 00:46:52.248 --> 00:47:03.817 Whenever I have had a rough day, the first thing I always will do, is sit in the trance energy, because I, I leave feeling settled, and I must admit, I've never felt so calm after doing a week of trance. 00:47:03.994 --> 00:47:07.777 so if someone wants to start developing that, they can sit in it. 00:47:07.884 --> 00:47:10.753 How do they activate, this? 00:47:10.788 --> 00:47:16.719 Because, a lot of people are gonna be sitting and going, "Okay, you're telling me to allow, but how do I allow? 00:47:16.731 --> 00:47:17.932 How do I get it going? 00:47:17.932 --> 00:47:22.951 What's the button that I need to push to kick this off?" Intention. 00:47:23.344 --> 00:47:23.545 Ah. 00:47:23.545 --> 00:47:26.746 It's as, it's as simple… The human wants to overcomplicate everything, don't we? 00:47:27.032 --> 00:47:28.771 But it is simply as the intention. 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:41.219 You know, just say to your team, you know, "I'd like sit for, you know, with you for the experience of learning to know, move within my trance." You know, and just allow them then the space to do so. 00:47:41.462 --> 00:47:54.713 You know, it's nice to make a weekly commitment or, you know, as often as you can make that commitment, to, to give them the time to, you know, continue building on that, that experience with you, or that ability with you, depending on where they're leading you with it. 00:47:54.951 --> 00:47:58.177 and it, it's just literally as simple as setting the intention. 00:47:58.465 --> 00:47:58.831 you know? 00:47:59.476 --> 00:48:04.293 I wouldn't, You know, I wouldn't, I wouldn' Do we to verbalize this to our really it just is a thought … or are we doing this in our head? 00:48:04.293 --> 00:48:05.300 Yeah, it's just a thought. 00:48:05.300 --> 00:48:05.590 Oh, it's a vibe. 00:48:05.590 --> 00:48:05.927 You know. 00:48:06.067 --> 00:48:12.157 I mean, in saying that, there's times when I've said, "Oh," you know, I've said to spirit, because obviously they know what I need better and, you know, that's okay. 00:48:12.351 --> 00:48:14.802 But there's times when I've thought, "Oh, I'll sit in my power," and off we go. 00:48:14.829 --> 00:48:15.842 We're going into trance. 00:48:15.842 --> 00:48:27.552 You know, like, so but because they know obviously the, for whatever reason, that's the, the need to do that, you know, for them, and because they've got the ability and the, the, you know, experience in me to do that. 00:48:27.849 --> 00:48:29.262 But it's all an intention. 00:48:29.277 --> 00:48:33.202 The human wants to complicate everything out, you know, and we just do. 00:48:33.516 --> 00:48:36.478 And so it is just by simply setting the intention, you know? 00:48:36.512 --> 00:48:36.894 Yeah. 00:48:37.262 --> 00:48:56.532 Let's It goes back even with the power of intention, you know, it, it really proves the point, mediumship, and it's such a penny drop moment for me in my own journey that if we can simply, by the power of one thought gets a spirit communicator next to us. 00:48:56.579 --> 00:49:02.588 It literally, within a millisecond, you know, you put the thought out, instantly next to you is a, is a communicator. 00:49:02.759 --> 00:49:15.193 I've never ever, ever had an instance, and, you know, people might be mind-blown, in all the readings I've done, which, you know, I I couldn't even imagine the number now, but I have never had an instance where there's not someone there, you know? 00:49:15.355 --> 00:49:20.592 At, at the earlier in my journey, of course, you're gonna, in the very beginning, not feel that there's someone there. 00:49:20.592 --> 00:49:25.737 If you're feeling that there's not someone there, I guarantee you that's because you're in your head somewhere, you're not feeling it. 00:49:25.847 --> 00:49:27.643 There's always someone there. 00:49:27.884 --> 00:49:44.712 And it really begs the question that if you can, I don't wanna say the word summon 'cause that's not really the right word, but if you can literally in just so much as a thought and an intention, get a spirit person next to you, then it shows the power of your thoughts. 00:49:44.931 --> 00:49:49.701 And our thoughts now, I believe are so powerful. 00:49:49.757 --> 00:49:54.371 and that, that's why you've gotta really be aware of the way that you're thinking. 00:49:54.371 --> 00:50:06.690 And if you're in a state of being where you're constantly being hard on yourself and beating yourself up, the, the damage that is doing to you, your dreams, your potential, where you could go in life, is huge. 00:50:06.905 --> 00:50:12.815 And, you know, we're never gonna be able to police every single thought that we get because it's impossible. 00:50:12.815 --> 00:50:17.184 We're, we… You know, the amount of thoughts we get a day are crazy, and if you try to, you're gonna go mad. 00:50:17.184 --> 00:50:20.123 You're gonna send yourself into some sort of mental asylum. 00:50:20.362 --> 00:50:23.182 But what you can do is become aware of patterns. 00:50:23.183 --> 00:50:35.224 You know, if your, thought processes are one of constantly being hard on yourself, then that's something that you need to work on because you're never gonna manifest your dreams if you are beating yourself into it. 00:50:35.224 --> 00:50:43.757 Now, in the early days of building my business, I was quite hard on myself, but where I managed to manifest was I believed that it was gonna happen. 00:50:43.757 --> 00:50:45.369 I believed

in it so hard. 00:50:45.369 --> 00:50:48.125 I vibrated that of a successful person. 00:50:48.525 --> 00:51:04.693 But eventually the wheels did come off because, you know, there's only so long you can be in that state of being because eventually I got the, my business to where it needed to be, but what actually started to happen then was I stopped vibrating as a successful person because I'd arrived at that place. 00:51:04.699 --> 00:51:10.659 So then the only thing I was left with was the thoughts of worry and stress, and before you know it, the wheels were coming off. 00:51:10.701 --> 00:51:11.538 They were coming off. 00:51:11.849 --> 00:51:20.110 So you've just… You know, one bit of advice I'll give someone is just be aware of the power, the magnitude of what your thoughts can do. 00:51:20.110 --> 00:51:26.329 And if you can harness your thoughts in the right way, it will literally change your life, and your life will never be the same again. 00:51:26.643 --> 00:51:32.134 Now, to talk about, you know, some of the fear-based elements here of trance. 00:51:32.378 --> 00:51:38.416 a lot of people are gonna be familiar with, you know, mediums love nothing more than to take photos, videos. 00:51:38.583 --> 00:51:46.137 again, it probably comes back to part ego here of overshadowing, spirit people coming across their faces and whatever. 00:51:46.139 --> 00:51:51.860 Straight away, if you're gonna look at something like that, that is going to probably evoke within you fear. 00:51:52.197 --> 00:51:57.646 What is happening in these kind of overshadowing images that one might see? 00:51:57.853 --> 00:52:00.173 You know, is, is, how is that happening? 00:52:00.259 --> 00:52:01.739 Why is that happening? 00:52:01.806 --> 00:52:03.876 How is the camera capturing it? 00:52:04.068 --> 00:52:18.393 because, you know, I, I always feel that, you know, you ask most trance mediums and they're, they're, they're very keen to get out their, mobile phone device and start showing you their repertoire of, ghost hunt memorabilia, so to speak. 00:52:18.813 --> 00:52:37.400 Ah, huh It's about, you know, that is about time and practice, and then, you know, spirit being able to of like build the energy, on the face, which then creates this overshadowing potentially shows, you know, the face of, you know, the, the person, you know, coming forward. 00:52:37.686 --> 00:52:41.003 I mean, and they can do that in any instance they if they want to, really. 00:52:41.105 --> 00:52:45.175 but it, that's, you know, it is about it's literally an energetic thing. 00:52:45.407 --> 00:52:54.626 and again, you know, people get carried away with it, and because, you know, it's, I, I mean, it's to be fair, there is a level of ability that is built to get to that stage, you know? 00:52:54.628 --> 00:53:02.280 And it's very much about, you know, building within your power and the energy being created to get to this you know, this sort of state. 00:53:02.509 --> 00:53:08.215 But, you know, spirit can also do that with somebody in their early stages because they're sort of saying, well, this is where you can go, you know? 00:53:08.431 --> 00:53:17.661 The thing is, is with you know, you know, the overshadowing is that for me, you often find, you know, like it's, you know, it's not often very it's distinctively clear, you know? 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:31.842 and you know, that can be off-putting to somebody that doesn't know, because that can create fear in itself because it can almost you know, look a little bit like, "Oh, what is this?" And then, you know, people often do it in the red light, which in a way creates its own shadows, you know? 00:53:31.851 --> 00:53:48.474 And this is about, you know, like the back at before with physical mediumship, you know, the, the light and the essence, you needed silence, you needed clean room, you know, and the red light to be able to allow spirit to work with that ectoplasm that could still then be seen to be brought forward. 00:53:48.753 --> 00:53:52.076 I know now that there's, they've got many other different ways of working, you know. 00:53:52.128 --> 00:53:57.454 back in 2020 it was like, sit in the dark, sit in the light, sit in the dark, sit in the light, sit in the dark, sit in the light. 00:53:57.454 --> 00:53:59.596 What is the That literally changed … and the light all about? 00:53:59.596 --> 00:54:04.186 Because a lot of, you know, a lot of people are gonna be listening to this going, "Nah, okay. 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:12.541 Well, you know, if it was really phenomenon, why would we need to… Surely we wanna put a floodlight on that to show the world, what's possible. 00:54:12.543 --> 00:54:26.748 Why are we doing it in the dark with a red light?" it was to do with the way the spirit used to be be bringing physical phenomena forward and the effects of light on that, you know, within, you know, the ectoplasm and et cetera. 00:54:26.764 --> 00:54:28.875 So it was, you know, it was, it was about that. 00:54:28.876 --> 00:54:36.552 And so, you know, I do know now there is change in that and, you know, there is people that, you know, can levitate, in India in broad daylight. 00:54:36.974 --> 00:54:49.137 you know, so there is, you know, there's different ways of doing things, but it was very much sort of like, you know, like a protective barrier for the medium because it actually did used to put a lot of strain on the physical health. 00:54:49.565 --> 00:54:58.391 back over 20 years ago when Spirit, you know, was made it very clear to me that, you know, that the, that this is something they wanted to do, X, Y, Z, and that that was my main concern. 00:54:58.393 --> 00:55:37.018 And I was like, "No, because I've got kids, if it's gonna affect my health, we're not doing that." And they just reassured me that, you know, in time that when I was going to be ready to be able to, you know, use this you know, for, for the good of being of service that, that, that, the, to trust them that actually

would be within this new movement of being safe for the medium, and that they'd been working, you know, energetically, tirelessly, in, you know, in spirit, if you like, you know, in the, in Mm the, the energy of home to be able to do these things and bring them forward, through people that were physical mediums. 00:55:37.262 --> 00:55:43.907 Because obviously you've got a lot of you know, people that do physical mediumship, but it's energetic, you know? 00:55:44.005 --> 00:55:44.018 Mm. 00:55:44.021 --> 00:55:47.043 So, you know, there's, a, there's a bit of a difference in that. 00:55:47.373 --> 00:55:54.565 but you know, the physical mediumship is sort of, for me it's been an extension of trance, you know, sitting in that much deeper state. 00:55:54.601 --> 00:56:00.478 And there is, you know, there's a deeper states of trance is not common, I do have to say. 00:56:00.764 --> 00:56:02.445 It is not common practice. 00:56:02.759 --> 00:56:04.842 you know, Why is that? 00:56:08.121 --> 00:56:15.364 I, I I'm I, I feel, and I'm led to believe, that it is a lot to do with the way of the world and the way we live in it now. 00:56:15.806 --> 00:56:29.552 You know, because the time isn't allowed, the time isn't given, and even when it is, the human has, the human mind and then, you know, our energy source, you know, the, has a lot to deal with and comprehend. 00:56:30.108 --> 00:56:36.101 And in even, you know, not even in the, you know, the subconscious, that then it sort of has created this barrier. 00:56:36.655 --> 00:56:36.923 You know? 00:56:37.342 --> 00:56:38.414 I believe in that as well. 00:56:38.429 --> 00:56:56.206 I've, I feel that the spirit world, I've identified that about our modern existence and how, you know, impatient we are these days, and the distractions that we have, and I feel that they've kind of acknowledged that, which is why I feel that a lot of trance now is done in, in lighter states. 00:56:56.538 --> 00:57:05.047 But you know, I, I do also feel as well that, you know, we're finally starting to catch up scientifically as well, with, you know, how we view trance. 00:57:05.047 --> 00:57:16.909 There was even, you know, if we go back to 2012, there was a, study, a brain scan study that was done where they scanned 10 Brazilian mediums doing trance, writing. 00:57:17.262 --> 00:57:37.759 Five who were very, very experienced, five who were at the beginning of their journey, and the experienced mediums showed so much lower activity in areas of their brain tied to planning, language, and self-monitoring, yet, their trance writing scored higher, for complexity than normal writing. 00:57:37.916 --> 00:58:08.119 And I guess what the point of all of this and the studies that are being done at the moment, is it's really kind of showing when they…'Cause scientists are starting to take a real interest now in, in, you know, what once, upon a time they would have, probably labeled as fake, in terms of looking at the brain and what's actually going on during those states of being in, the altered states of consciousness, and it's clear as day that, you know, the science is starting to back up, at long last, what, you know, the mediums have done. 00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:12.163 And by bringing these two worlds together, I don't think it's any bad thing. 00:58:12.371 --> 00:58:24.753 but you know, even if we, you know, kind of look at people like Eileen Garrett back in the day, she wrote that in all her years of mediumship, she'd had no proof, I would Actually, this is quite contradictory what she said. 00:58:24.769 --> 00:58:27.164 Let's see what you, you have to say about this. 00:58:27.373 --> 00:58:37.025 But it even says here that Eileen Garrett wrote, "In all her years of mediumship, she'd had no proof she'd ever reached another world, and treated her controls as products of her subconscious. 00:58:37.346 --> 00:58:47.525 She spent, a lot of her life funding research into just that." Isn't it amazing how, you know, we are all, constantly in the pursuit of what we believe is our own truth? 00:58:47.797 --> 00:58:59.873 And you know, you can, whatever you want to look for and whatever your state of belief is into trance, you will find stuff to back up what it is that you think, because there's always gonna be arguments on both sides. 00:58:59.887 --> 00:59:09.429 But that's why I feel that you have to be discerning and really be very careful and make up your own mind, and there's no better way to make up your own mind than experiencing it. 00:59:09.454 --> 00:59:21.762 And now, you know, I'm very much about I believe what I know, and what I know is what I've experienced Yeah, and, and, and that, that is, you know, your greatest teacher and in what you feel in that experience. 00:59:21.791 --> 00:59:26.139 Like you said, you if you're not feeling something, you know, don't partake, don't be there. 00:59:26.349 --> 00:59:29.871 and that would've been Eileen Garrett's experience, you know? 00:59:30.103 --> 00:59:33.153 you know, for me, my experience has been very different, you know? 00:59:33.259 --> 00:59:37.264 and you know, as a result, that's led me in very different ways. 00:59:37.293 --> 00:59:56.682 That's, that's, you know, that because that's my perception of it, and even when I do, when I do sit for trance, you know, and I, you know, and I'm, I'm getting out of the way, if my brain, when my brain at the sort of, starts, when I was thing this, my, my brain would be thinking, my brain would be thinking random day rubbish, let's be honest. 00:59:56.686 --> 00:59:56.967 You know? 00:59:56.996 --> 01:00:01.268 Like, "Oh, I knew I should've done that," or, "I didn't buy that, I'll need that tomorrow," you know? 01:00:01.396 --> 01:00:09.876 meanwhile, spirit are, you know, sort of like doing their thing to sort of like simmer that down and quieten it to be able to create that blend. 01:00:09.922 --> 01:00:24.969 And even in my teenage years, I'll never forget, you know, I

was about 14, 15, saying, "Oh, oh, you know, you're hearing the voices." And they was like, "Oh no, it's your mind." And I thought, "Nah," 'cause I can see these people and these different men and, you know, like women and, you know, these ain't my voices. 01:00:25.271 --> 01:00:36.918 so, you know, but, but I think people just have an, have perceptions from their level of experience in what's right for them as an individual, and that doesn't make any right or wrong. 01:00:36.918 --> 01:00:42.449 That makes that right for, you know, somebody else, and what experience is for me make it right for me. 01:00:42.463 --> 01:00:46.369 Because if not, then I must be nutty as a Froot Loop, and I'm not. 01:00:46.552 --> 01:00:46.887 You know? 01:00:47.043 --> 01:00:48.836 Like in, in my world, for Well.. 01:00:48.978 --> 01:00:49.590 .. I'm not. 01:00:50.161 --> 01:00:53.045 well, to some degree, but we like that. 01:00:53.045 --> 01:00:53.250 Well, yeah. 01:00:53.273 --> 01:00:56.619 That's, that's not bad, embracing one's own personality. 01:00:56.619 --> 01:01:04.150 But I feel that, you know, it, it, it is a journey, starting to look at these states of being, and you've just got to trust in what you feel. 01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:16.471 And the very process of starting to explore those, states of consciousness in a way is almost like the, kind of, eroding and the, kind of, erasing in some way of the ego. 01:01:16.471 --> 01:01:27.581 And the thing you've got to bear in mind is, that logical part of your brain will try every trick in the book to try and keep a hold over you, in terms of, you know, saying that, that, you know, "Yes, you do. 01:01:27.632 --> 01:01:28.353 This isn't real. 01:01:28.362 --> 01:01:32.574 Yes, this you know, you do need to perhaps not believe in this," and whatever. 01:01:32.766 --> 01:01:34.708 And that's, that's why it is a journey. 01:01:34.708 --> 01:01:39.427 It's not just when you're trying to move into that state, literally move into a state of consciousness. 01:01:39.648 --> 01:01:53.038 You're, you know, going through the process of, unlearning certain beliefs, erasing certain, kind of, ways of being, and that's why, you know, there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than you would ever perhaps imagine. 01:01:53.244 --> 01:01:56.346 And that's why, you know, it really can be life-changing. 01:01:56.371 --> 01:02:03.068 But, you know, you're also gonna find that sitting in those states is probably going to invoke, a lot of different things within you. 01:02:03.072 --> 01:02:10.148 You know, it might evoke, you know, traumas that you've had, things that are kind of holding you back from being in that state. 01:02:10.427 --> 01:02:22.737 And, you know, I know myself, at the very beginning, and like lots of us do because of, you know, fear-based beliefs that we have, that, you know, what was stopping me from moving into that state was fears I had about the state. 01:02:22.947 --> 01:02:47.594 Where then, so actually, the process of starting to develop the state was actually, you know, challenging a lot of the beliefs I've had, kind of unlearning a lot of things, and that's why you've just got to be, gentle with yourself about that because it's not just moving into a state, it is going to bring things to the surface that are From being in that, kind of state of being, that flow and so on. 01:02:47.876 --> 01:02:58.409 There's so much that we could talk about, in regards to trance, and I do feel that, you know, we should do another episode on it because we haven't even touched on sort of physical mediumship, trance healing. 01:02:58.652 --> 01:03:27.336 The list is just endless of areas we could talk about, so today really is kind of a doorway into it to do a bit of myth busting for the dear listener, and to kind of encourage you to experiment with, the trance states, because there's one thing I can guarantee you is by working with that, that state of consciousness, you will get, things out of it that are really gonna help you, even if you're not aware of it, right, right then. 01:03:27.501 --> 01:03:29.561 And that's the problem with expectation. 01:03:29.570 --> 01:03:40.934 You must not go into it with an expectation, 'cause one, you're limiting the limitless, by doing so, and two, you've just gotta be gentle with yourself because, it takes a lot of time. 01:03:41.132 --> 01:03:48.793 And if you're anything like me at the beginning of my journey with about 10 bazillion thoughts every two, two seconds, you know, that's gonna take a lot of time. 01:03:48.831 --> 01:03:53.329 And I know that this is, you know, an area of yours that you're very passionate about. 01:03:53.329 --> 01:04:08.143 It's what you've devoted your life to doing, and so much so that we've got a beautiful trance circle starting very soon, which I have to say, I'm so excited even to be in that, have that opportunity to sit in that, energy every week. 01:04:08.143 --> 01:04:11.206 So, you know, if you wanna find out more about that, just go to my website. 01:04:11.206 --> 01:04:12.942 It's a very intimate circle. 01:04:12.942 --> 01:04:15.163 I might say that, but trance is intimate, isn't it? 01:04:15.163 --> 01:04:18.818 You need to be in an environment where you feel safe. 01:04:18.820 --> 01:04:30.195 And I do feel we should do a whole'nother episode on trance because, you know, that you've got so much knowledge, about it, and I feel we've only, we've only literally touched the tip of the iceberg today, have we not? 01:04:30.664 --> 01:04:34.663 We have, and I am more than happy to, come back and have that conversation. 01:04:34.663 --> 01:04:38.110 I do love speaking about trance because it is one of our passions. 01:04:38.735 --> 01:04:39.103 Yeah. 01:04:40.148 --> 01:04:41.677 Well, that's it for today. 01:04:41.715 --> 01:04:44.556 Thanks very much Thank you.