บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Overcoming Negativity to Build Positive Teams w/ Jon Gordon

his ideas. 00:01:44.785 --> 00:01:48.785 Lisa Nichols: Jon believes in keeping his bio short because his past accomplishments 00:01:48.865 --> 00:01:50.145 Lisa Nichols: are meaningless. 00:01:50.145 --> 00:01:53.745 Lisa Nichols: What matters most is that he says something today that will inspire you to 00:01:53.745 --> 00:01:55.320 Lisa Nichols: take action tomorrow. 00:01:55.320 --> 00:01:58.360 Lisa Nichols: Ladies and gentlemen, Jon Gordon. 00:01:58.360 --> 00:02:01.000 Lisa Nichols: Well, Jon Gordon, 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:05.000 Lisa Nichols: I cannot even tell you how grateful I am for you coming 00:02:05.240 --> 00:02:06.600 Lisa Nichols: on the show today. 00:02:06.600 --> 00:02:09.965 Lisa Nichols: You don't know this, but I've been a fan for a very long time. 00:02:09.965 --> 00:02:10.605 Jon Gordon: I'm honored. 00:02:10.605 --> 00:02:11.725 Jon Gordon: Thank you so much for that. 00:02:11.725 --> 00:02:11.965 Lisa Nichols: Fan. 00:02:11.965 --> 00:02:12.445 Lisa Nichols: Thank you. 00:02:12.445 --> 00:02:14.125 Lisa Nichols: Big fan. 00:02:14.125 --> 00:02:18.125 Lisa Nichols: I don't kinda tell you the story behind that, but you, 00:02:18.685 --> 00:02:22.470 Lisa Nichols: you and I I was sitting in the audience, but you just spoke for 00:02:22.470 --> 00:02:26.470 Lisa Nichols: Garden City Equity for the summit, and it was just horrific. 00:02:26.790 --> 00:02:30.710 Lisa Nichols: And so shout out to Michael Arrieta for connecting us. 00:02:30.710 --> 00:02:33.910 Lisa Nichols: I really appreciate him doing that. 00:02:33.910 --> 00:02:34.390 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:02:34.390 --> 00:02:38.390 Lisa Nichols: So I have to tell you, you're my four hundredth guest 00:02:39.505 --> 00:02:40.785 Lisa Nichols: on the show. 00:02:40.785 --> 00:02:41.505 Jon Gordon: That's amazing. 00:02:41.505 --> 00:02:42.545 Jon Gordon: Four hundred guests. 00:02:42.545 --> 00:02:43.345 Jon Gordon: Wow. 00:02:43.345 --> 00:02:44.705 Lisa Nichols: Four hundredth guest. 00:02:44.705 --> 00:02:48.625 Lisa Nichols: And you and I were talking before, and I did not realize this, but 00:02:48.625 --> 00:02:51.040 Lisa Nichols: you do you've done a lot with Patrick Colencioni. 00:02:51.040 --> 00:02:51.360 Jon Gordon: Yep. 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.800 Lisa Nichols: And Patrick was my three hundredth guest. 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:57.040 Lisa Nichols: Ken Blanchard is your mentor. 00:02:57.040 --> 00:02:57.240 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:02:57.200 --> 00:02:58.880 Lisa Nichols: He was my two hundredth guest. 00:02:58.880 --> 00:02:59.920 Jon Gordon: That is wild. 00:02:59.920 --> 00:03:02.560 Jon Gordon: That is so wild that Ken was two hundred. 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:03.440 Jon Gordon: He is my mentor. 00:03:03.440 --> 00:03:06.985 Jon Gordon: He really showed me the way in this work, made me wanna do this 00:03:06.985 --> 00:03:07.225 Jon Gordon: work. 00:03:07.225 --> 00:03:10.185 Jon Gordon: When I first started writing and speaking, I reached out to him. 00:03:10.185 --> 00:03:11.625 Jon Gordon: He was so supportive. 00:03:11.625 --> 00:03:14.425 Jon Gordon: I don't think I'd be doing it if it wasn't for for him. 00:03:14.425 --> 00:03:18.425 Jon Gordon: He really had a huge role in my life and such a sweet, 00:03:18.745 --> 00:03:22.400 Jon Gordon: amazing, loving, kind man. 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:25.520 Jon Gordon: He showed me what it was like to be a Christian, but also a 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.840 Jon Gordon: business leader that you could do both. 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.840 Jon Gordon: And then Pat Lencioni, known Pat for years, and we just got together 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:33.280 Jon Gordon: in Franklin just the other day. 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:35.835 Jon Gordon: I went to visit him, and I was there speaking. 00:03:35.835 --> 00:03:37.675 Jon Gordon: But I popped over to see him, and we hung out. 00:03:37.675 --> 00:03:38.475 Jon Gordon: We talked. 00:03:38.475 --> 00:03:42.395 Jon Gordon: We took a walk around Franklin, just Pat and I, just walking around the 00:03:42.395 --> 00:03:44.795 Jon Gordon: little little square, seeing the little shops. 00:03:44.795 --> 00:03:47.835 Jon Gordon: And we had a couple people stop us, which was really nice to say 00:03:47.835 --> 00:03:48.670 Jon Gordon: hello. 00:03:48.670 --> 00:03:52.190 Jon Gordon: But I love Pat, and, Pat is someone who just I have the best 00:03:52.190 --> 00:03:52.910 Jon Gordon: conversations with. 00:03:52.910 --> 00:03:55.470 Jon Gordon: So he was three hundred, and now I'm four hundred. 00:03:55.470 --> 00:03:58.190 Jon Gordon: But, Lisa, I'm gonna say, what took you so long to reach out to 00:03:58.190 --> 00:03:58.910 Jon Gordon: me? 00:03:58.910 --> 00:04:00.190 Lisa Nichols: I know. 00:04:00.190 --> 00:04:01.230 Lisa Nichols: Exactly. 00:04:01.230 --> 00:04:04.745 Lisa Nichols: Well, I'm sure we gotta figure out five hundred. 00:04:04.745 --> 00:04:06.985 Lisa Nichols: It's gotta be somehow connected in the change. 00:04:06.985 --> 00:04:07.385 Jon Gordon: Oh, yeah. 00:04:07.385 --> 00:04:08.025 Jon Gordon: It just happens. 00:04:08.025 --> 00:04:10.105 Jon Gordon: Gonna be my daughter, Jade Gordon, so you never know. 00:04:10.105 --> 00:04:12.185 Jon Gordon: She's speaking now, so you never know. 00:04:12.185 --> 00:04:12.985 Jon Gordon: Wow. 00:04:12.985 --> 00:04:13.945 Lisa Nichols: That is awesome. 00:04:13.945 --> 00:04:15.545 Lisa Nichols: I wanna hear more about that. 00:04:15.545 --> 00:04:18.700 Lisa Nichols: That is so, so awesome. 00:04:18.700 --> 00:04:21.260 Lisa Nichols: Well, let me tell you because I I told you I've been a fan 00:04:21.260 --> 00:04:22.700 Lisa Nichols: for a very long time. 00:04:22.700 --> 00:04:26.700 Lisa Nichols: Really good friend of mine, he's a leadership coach, a seven time NCAA tennis 00:04:27.100 --> 00:04:29.180 Lisa Nichols: champion, Renee Vidal. 00:04:29.180 --> 00:04:33.180 Lisa Nichols: Long time ago had asked me, have you ever read the energy bus?

00:04:33.565 --> 00:04:34.685 Lisa Nichols: And I said, no. 00:04:34.685 --> 00:04:36.845 Lisa Nichols: And he goes, read it, Lisa. 00:04:36.845 --> 00:04:37.725 Lisa Nichols: You're gonna love it. 00:04:37.725 --> 00:04:38.925 Lisa Nichols: And I fell in love. 00:04:38.925 --> 00:04:40.285 Lisa Nichols: I fell in love with it. 00:04:40.285 --> 00:04:43.645 Lisa Nichols: And I love he Ken Rocha Ford 00:04:43.645 --> 00:04:43.965 Jon Gordon: Yep. 00:04:43.965 --> 00:04:45.165 Lisa Nichols: To that book. 00:04:45.165 --> 00:04:45.930 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:04:45.930 --> 00:04:48.970 Lisa Nichols: And, Jon, I love that you dedicated it to your mom. 00:04:48.970 --> 00:04:52.970 Lisa Nichols: And I know your mom lost her battle with cancer, but, like, 00:04:53.050 --> 00:04:56.090 Lisa Nichols: the energy bus I mean, listen. 00:04:56.090 --> 00:05:00.090 Lisa Nichols: You've written thirty three books, eighteen bestsellers. 00:05:00.685 --> 00:05:04.125 Lisa Nichols: But I would love for you to tell our listeners about the energy buzz 00:05:04.125 --> 00:05:07.165 Lisa Nichols: because I think that it will encourage them. 00:05:07.165 --> 00:05:09.245 Lisa Nichols: It wasn't an immediate success. 00:05:09.245 --> 00:05:09.485 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:05:09.485 --> 00:05:09.725 Lisa Nichols: No. 00:05:09.725 --> 00:05:10.285 Lisa Nichols: I mean 00:05:10.285 --> 00:05:10.925 Jon Gordon: It wasn't. 00:05:10.925 --> 00:05:11.565 Jon Gordon: It wasn't. 00:05:11.565 --> 00:05:14.125 Jon Gordon: And, you know, Ken wrote the forward to that. 00:05:14.125 --> 00:05:15.645 Jon Gordon: That's a funny story how that happened. 00:05:15.645 --> 00:05:19.645 Jon Gordon: I was in San Diego with my family and reached out to him, 00:05:19.700 --> 00:05:21.060 Jon Gordon: and it was Father's Day. 00:05:21.060 --> 00:05:23.620 Jon Gordon: And he invited us over for Father's Day. 00:05:23.620 --> 00:05:24.980 Jon Gordon: And I had written the manuscript. 00:05:24.980 --> 00:05:26.820 Jon Gordon: And while I was there, I said, hey, Ken. 00:05:26.820 --> 00:05:28.340 Jon Gordon: Would you write the forward to this book? 00:05:28.340 --> 00:05:30.825 Jon Gordon: This is before I had a publisher. 00:05:30.825 --> 00:05:31.865 Jon Gordon: And he said yes. 00:05:31.865 --> 00:05:35.385 Jon Gordon: And I believe it's one of the reasons why the publisher took on the 00:05:35.385 --> 00:05:37.545 Jon Gordon: book because he wrote the forward for it. 00:05:37.545 --> 00:05:41.065 Jon Gordon: But that book, when it came out, it was not a a huge success. 00:05:41.065 --> 00:05:45.065 Jon Gordon: In fact, it was rejected by thirty publishers initially, 00:05:45.270 --> 00:05:49.190 Jon Gordon: and then finally found John Wiley and Sons agreed to publish it. 00:05:49.190 --> 00:05:52.470 Jon Gordon: So then it comes out, and bookstores wouldn't carry it. 00:05:52.470 --> 00:05:55.670 Jon Gordon: So I went on a twenty eight city tour paid for by myself from 00:05:55.670 --> 00:05:57.990 Jon Gordon: city to city, sharing the message in the book. 00:05:57.990 --> 00:06:00.175 Jon Gordon: And that was a time when there was no social media. 00:06:00.175 --> 00:06:03.855 Jon Gordon: You had to get on local TV, local radio, and that was about it. 00:06:03.855 --> 00:06:06.255 Jon Gordon: And I went to all these cities trying to get on these local shows 00:06:06.255 --> 00:06:08.655 Jon Gordon: and then did these little small events in each city. 00:06:08.655 --> 00:06:12.655 Jon Gordon: We had five people in one city, ten people in another, twenty in another. 00:06:13.030 --> 00:06:14.390 Jon Gordon: Like, it was crazy. 00:06:14.390 --> 00:06:14.950 Jon Gordon: Get back. 00:06:14.950 --> 00:06:17.350 Jon Gordon: Didn't know what the future held, but I just knew that I had this 00:06:17.350 --> 00:06:20.790 Jon Gordon: vision and mission, and I had to live it and breathe it every day. 00:06:20.790 --> 00:06:24.790 Jon Gordon: Knew that I had this book about George who was miserable and negative. 00:06:25.110 --> 00:06:27.795 Jon Gordon: He's got this team at work that's in disarray. 00:06:27.795 --> 00:06:31.075 Jon Gordon: He has problems at home, and he wakes up Monday morning to a flat 00:06:31.075 --> 00:06:31.395 Jon Gordon: tire. 00:06:31.395 --> 00:06:32.915 Jon Gordon: And he's just fed up with life. 00:06:32.915 --> 00:06:35.555 Jon Gordon: And we say he was really easy to write about because because he was 00:06:35.555 --> 00:06:39.555 Jon Gordon: based on me and my own personal struggles with negativity and adversity. 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:44.120 Jon Gordon: And so George meets Joy the bus driver because he has to take the 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.320 Jon Gordon: bus to work, and she had a cast of characters teaching the ten rules 00:06:47.320 --> 00:06:50.280 Jon Gordon: for the ride of his life that not only help him become a more 00:06:50.280 --> 00:06:52.680 Jon Gordon: positive leader, but a better father, a better husband. 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:55.475 Jon Gordon: And it's about getting his team on the bus and moving in the right 00:06:55.475 --> 00:06:58.835 Jon Gordon: direction with a shared vision, focus, and purpose. 00:06:58.835 --> 00:07:02.835 Jon Gordon: And that book now has sold over, like, three and a half million copies 00:07:03.075 --> 00:07:07.075 Jon Gordon: after all those rejections, after all the adversity, after bookstores 00:07:07.200 --> 00:07:11.040 Jon Gordon: wouldn't carry it, and now it just continues to reach more and more people. 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:15.040 Jon Gordon: And I think it's because every one of us has to overcome that negativity 00:07:15.520 --> 00:07:19.520 Jon Gordon: to define ourselves and our team success and our family success. 00:07:19.520 --> 00:07:23.345 Jon Gordon: Like, we all have to go through the battle ourselves to overcome whatever negativity 00:07:23.345 --> 00:07:26.305 Jon Gordon: we're facing to ultimately become who we're meant to be.

00:07:26.305 --> 00:07:29.025 Jon Gordon: And as I said, George was based on me, and I had to go 00:07:29.025 --> 00:07:33.025 Jon Gordon: on that journey from negative to positive as well. 00:07:33.105 --> 00:07:33.745 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:07:33.745 --> 00:07:34.145 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:07:34.145 --> 00:07:37.530 Lisa Nichols: And you're you're free to talk about that, Jon, if you want. 00:07:37.530 --> 00:07:39.770 Lisa Nichols: Like, where did that negativity come from? 00:07:39.770 --> 00:07:43.770 Lisa Nichols: I mean, we all to your point, we all have to we all 00:07:43.850 --> 00:07:44.650 Lisa Nichols: have to battle that. 00:07:44.650 --> 00:07:45.050 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:07:45.050 --> 00:07:47.530 Lisa Nichols: And it's the battle starts in our mind. 00:07:47.530 --> 00:07:47.850 Lisa Nichols: It starts. 00:07:47.850 --> 00:07:51.850 Lisa Nichols: And it really does in taking you know, in the Bible, 00:07:52.105 --> 00:07:53.145 Lisa Nichols: and I know you're a Christian. 00:07:53.145 --> 00:07:54.025 Lisa Nichols: I'm a Christian. 00:07:54.025 --> 00:07:56.825 Lisa Nichols: The Bible says we have to take every thought captive. 00:07:56.825 --> 00:07:57.225 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:07:57.225 --> 00:08:01.225 Jon Gordon: We have to take every thought captive because if we don't, our negative thoughts 00:08:01.225 --> 00:08:03.180 Jon Gordon: will take us captive. 00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:05.660 Jon Gordon: And we don't wanna be taken captive by our negative thoughts. 00:08:05.660 --> 00:08:08.300 Jon Gordon: And for years, you know, I struggle with that. 00:08:08.300 --> 00:08:09.500 Jon Gordon: I often joke, but it's true. 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:11.820 Jon Gordon: I grew up in a Jewish Italian family. 00:08:11.820 --> 00:08:13.660 Jon Gordon: A lot of food, a lot of guilt. 00:08:13.660 --> 00:08:15.825 Jon Gordon: A lot of wine, a lot of whining. 00:08:15.825 --> 00:08:19.265 Jon Gordon: And my dad was a New York City police officer, undercover narcotics. 00:08:19.265 --> 00:08:21.185 Jon Gordon: And so he was shot a few times. 00:08:21.185 --> 00:08:22.625 Jon Gordon: He wasn't very positive, my dad. 00:08:22.625 --> 00:08:25.345 Jon Gordon: A loving man, but one of the most negative guys on the planet. 00:08:25.345 --> 00:08:28.945 Jon Gordon: And so I grew up in in many ways with a lot of negativity, 00:08:28.945 --> 00:08:31.600 Jon Gordon: a lot of fear, a lot of worry, a lot of doubt. 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.120 Jon Gordon: And I really struggled with with my mindset a lot. 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:39.120 Jon Gordon: Perfectionism, always trying to be successful to make it, to work 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.360 Jon Gordon: hard, ultimately feeling like a failure when I didn't make it, when I lost 00:08:43.520 --> 00:08:45.815 Jon Gordon: my job during the dot com crash. 00:08:45.815 --> 00:08:46.815 Jon Gordon: I don't know how I'm gonna pay the bills. 00:08:46.815 --> 00:08:48.855 Jon Gordon: I don't know how I'm gonna support my family. 00:08:48.855 --> 00:08:52.855 Jon Gordon: And I really came to a to a a breaking 00:08:53.015 --> 00:08:54.935 Jon Gordon: point where I I was crumbling. 00:08:54.935 --> 00:08:58.135 Jon Gordon: And my wife said, if you don't change, we're over. 00:08:58.135 --> 00:09:01.760 Jon Gordon: Because I was blaming her for why I had not lived up to my 00:09:01.760 --> 00:09:04.160 Jon Gordon: potential, why I didn't reach my dreams. 00:09:04.160 --> 00:09:06.800 Jon Gordon: And and, you know, it was a great wake up call. 00:09:06.800 --> 00:09:08.160 Jon Gordon: I I needed change. 00:09:08.160 --> 00:09:10.080 Jon Gordon: And after that, I said, alright. 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.560 Jon Gordon: I'm gonna try to work on becoming a more positive person. 00:09:12.560 --> 00:09:16.055 Jon Gordon: I wanted to stay married was my first goal, to stay married. 00:09:16.055 --> 00:09:17.735 Lisa Nichols: And and the second goal family intact. 00:09:17.735 --> 00:09:17.975 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:09:17.975 --> 00:09:20.775 Jon Gordon: And the second goal was to be better myself, to be a better father, 00:09:20.775 --> 00:09:22.215 Jon Gordon: to be a better husband. 00:09:22.215 --> 00:09:22.415 Jon Gordon: Mhmm. 00:09:22.375 --> 00:09:25.175 Jon Gordon: Like like George and the energy bus, I wanted to be better. 00:09:25.175 --> 00:09:27.175 Jon Gordon: And then 00:09:27.175 --> 00:09:30.375 Jon Gordon: that turned into a mission to help others get better. 00:09:30.375 --> 00:09:32.870 Jon Gordon: Like, it was a quest for my self to get better. 00:09:32.870 --> 00:09:33.190 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:09:33.190 --> 00:09:33.390 Lisa Nichols: It 00:09:33.270 --> 00:09:36.230 Jon Gordon: led to a mission to help others get better. 00:09:36.230 --> 00:09:40.230 Jon Gordon: And, I'm just proof that anyone that anyone of us and every one of 00:09:40.230 --> 00:09:44.230 Jon Gordon: us can change, that we can all face our battles, face 00:09:44.390 --> 00:09:48.390 Jon Gordon: our demons, face our past, and we don't have to be who 00:09:48.535 --> 00:09:49.015 Jon Gordon: we were. 00:09:49.015 --> 00:09:51.815 Jon Gordon: We can literally become a new creation. 00:09:51.815 --> 00:09:55.815 Jon Gordon: We can become who God has called us to be, and we can rewire 00:09:55.895 --> 00:09:58.215 Jon Gordon: our brain from negative to positive. 00:09:58.215 --> 00:10:02.215 Jon Gordon: And we could start having spiritual disciplines and 00:10:02.250 --> 00:10:06.250 Jon Gordon: spiritual rituals that help guide us, that help us focus, and 00:10:06.250 --> 00:10:09.690 Jon Gordon: help us really connect to God in a in a greater way. 00:10:09.690 --> 00:10:10.730 Jon Gordon: And that that's what I did. 00:10:10.730 --> 00:10:14.730 Jon Gordon: I literally began walking and practicing gratitude years ago because 00:10:14.975 --> 00:10:17.935 Jon Gordon: I read you can't be stressed and thankful at the same time. 00:10:17.935 --> 00:10:21.855 Jon Gordon: And as I

began taking these walks of gratitude every day, those walks of 00:10:21.855 --> 00:10:24.175 Jon Gordon: gratitude turned into walks of prayer. 00:10:24.175 --> 00:10:26.335 Jon Gordon: And that's where all the change began. 00:10:26.335 --> 00:10:30.335 Jon Gordon: Like, literally on those walks of doing it day in and day out. 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:32.160 Jon Gordon: I took one this morning as well. 00:10:32.160 --> 00:10:35.040 Jon Gordon: I took a walk of gratitude and a walk of prayer this morning. 00:10:35.040 --> 00:10:39.040 Jon Gordon: I'm still doing it twenty five years later, and it still has guided 00:10:39.280 --> 00:10:40.960 Jon Gordon: me and shaped me. 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:44.960 Jon Gordon: And it has lifted up my spirit, nourished my soul, 00:10:45.195 --> 00:10:49.195 Jon Gordon: and allows me ultimately to do my best work and to overcome whatever challenges 00:10:49.435 --> 00:10:49.995 Jon Gordon: I'm facing. 00:10:49.995 --> 00:10:53.995 Jon Gordon: So I'm living proof that you can actually rewire from negative to positive, 00:10:54.395 --> 00:10:58.395 Jon Gordon: that you can change your mindset, that you can develop a deeper 00:10:58.630 --> 00:11:02.630 Jon Gordon: connection of faith, and that when you do, your life begins to exponentially grow. 00:11:02.950 --> 00:11:06.950 Jon Gordon: And that's why I began, you know, writing a year ago, the power 00:11:07.110 --> 00:11:07.910 Jon Gordon: of positive habits. 00:11:07.910 --> 00:11:11.350 Jon Gordon: It came out a few weeks ago, and I wrote that book because I 00:11:11.350 --> 00:11:14.865 Jon Gordon: wanted to share all these different habits over the years of what I was 00:11:14.865 --> 00:11:18.305 Jon Gordon: doing and what I was sharing with, you know, millions of people over the 00:11:18.305 --> 00:11:21.505 Jon Gordon: last twenty years and what has helped all these people. 00:11:21.505 --> 00:11:24.385 Jon Gordon: And I wanted to put in a book that someone could read and go, 00:11:24.385 --> 00:11:24.705 Jon Gordon: okay. 00:11:24.705 --> 00:11:26.450 Jon Gordon: Ninety three habits. 00:11:26.450 --> 00:11:30.450 Jon Gordon: I can do a few of these, and just a few will literally exponentially 00:11:31.250 --> 00:11:33.730 Jon Gordon: grow your life and your relationships. 00:11:33.730 --> 00:11:34.690 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:11:34.690 --> 00:11:38.690 Lisa Nichols: I don't have that one, but, I told you. 00:11:39.495 --> 00:11:40.135 Lisa Nichols: Look at this. 00:11:40.135 --> 00:11:41.335 Lisa Nichols: Oh, I love that. 00:11:41.335 --> 00:11:42.135 Lisa Nichols: I love that. 00:11:42.135 --> 00:11:42.455 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:11:42.455 --> 00:11:43.335 Lisa Nichols: I've got, 00:11:43.335 --> 00:11:44.455 Jon Gordon: I see the one truth there. 00:11:44.455 --> 00:11:45.175 Jon Gordon: I love that. 00:11:45.175 --> 00:11:48.695 Lisa Nichols: I love the one truth, and you've got the one truth, shirt on. 00:11:48.695 --> 00:11:49.735 Jon Gordon: That I wrote

the yeah. 00:11:49.735 --> 00:11:51.735 Jon Gordon: Well, the I wore this T shirt just 00:11:51.735 --> 00:11:53.575 Lisa Nichols: It is wild. 00:11:53.575 --> 00:11:54.055 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:11:54.055 --> 00:11:58.055 Lisa Nichols: The one truth, carpenter the carpenter, the power of positive 00:11:58.250 --> 00:11:58.650 Lisa Nichols: leadership. 00:11:58.650 --> 00:12:01.130 Lisa Nichols: So I'll have to get the power of positive habits. 00:12:01.130 --> 00:12:04.410 Jon Gordon: I think the carpenters I love the carpenter story when I think back on 00:12:04.410 --> 00:12:05.050 Jon Gordon: it. 00:12:05.050 --> 00:12:05.370 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:12:05.370 --> 00:12:06.090 Lisa Nichols: I love that. 00:12:06.090 --> 00:12:07.370 Lisa Nichols: Tell tell me the story. 00:12:07.370 --> 00:12:08.330 Lisa Nichols: Tell me the story. 00:12:08.330 --> 00:12:10.090 Lisa Nichols: Tell our listeners the story. 00:12:10.090 --> 00:12:12.135 Jon Gordon: Well, 00:12:12.135 --> 00:12:16.055 Jon Gordon: it the way the book began was I was at home. 00:12:16.055 --> 00:12:20.055 Jon Gordon: It was during the great recession, and a carpenter 00:12:20.135 --> 00:12:22.575 Jon Gordon: came over to my house to build an entertainment center. 00:12:22.575 --> 00:12:25.980 Jon Gordon: And it was during a time when I thought people were gonna be struggling 00:12:25.980 --> 00:12:26.620 Jon Gordon: with their business. 00:12:26.620 --> 00:12:29.580 Jon Gordon: And I said to him, how you doing in the great recession? 00:12:29.580 --> 00:12:31.660 Jon Gordon: He said, I'm busier than ever. 00:12:31.660 --> 00:12:35.580 Jon Gordon: And I realized it was because he was a craftsman in his work. 00:12:35.580 --> 00:12:37.695 Jon Gordon: He wasn't just a carpenter. 00:12:37.695 --> 00:12:38.415 Jon Gordon: He craftsman. 00:12:38.415 --> 00:12:41.295 Jon Gordon: Other people were slow during that time, but not him. 00:12:41.295 --> 00:12:44.895 Jon Gordon: And I realized that if you pursue excellence, if you love what you do, 00:12:44.895 --> 00:12:48.895 Jon Gordon: if you serve your customers, and you show that you care, you will 00:12:49.215 --> 00:12:51.455 Jon Gordon: grow your business in any economy. 00:12:51.455 --> 00:12:55.000 Jon Gordon: And so I wanted to write a book that really shared that and demonstrated 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:55.560 Jon Gordon: that. 00:12:55.560 --> 00:12:59.560 Jon Gordon: And that began the, you know, the idea, the inspiration behind it. 00:12:59.560 --> 00:13:03.560 Jon Gordon: And then, ultimately, it's about a guy named Michael who's struggling with his business. 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.665 Jon Gordon: He's building it with his wife, and and he's jogging. 00:13:07.665 --> 00:13:10.785 Jon Gordon: He's out for a jog, and he has he has, like, an episode where 00:13:10.785 --> 00:13:13.505 Jon Gordon: he falls and 00:13:13.505 --> 00:13:17.505 Jon Gordon: and gets a note, written to him, as he's in a hospital 00:13:17.745 --> 00:13:21.030 Jon Gordon: because the note was left at the at the spot where he fell. 00:13:21.030 --> 00:13:25.030 Jon Gordon: And it was the carpenter who saw him fell and and really helped 00:13:25.110 --> 00:13:28.710 Jon Gordon: him and saved him and called nine one one and so forth, and he 00:13:28.710 --> 00:13:29.910 Jon Gordon: wrote a note to him. 00:13:29.910 --> 00:13:33.750 Jon Gordon: And so Michael goes and visits the carpenter, one of his worksites to go 00:13:33.750 --> 00:13:37.750 Jon Gordon: see him, and they begin this relationship and conversation about the 00:13:37.845 --> 00:13:40.005 Jon Gordon: greatest success principles of all. 00:13:40.005 --> 00:13:42.805 Jon Gordon: And that book, yeah, is really special. 00:13:42.805 --> 00:13:45.285 Jon Gordon: A lot of people say it's my my best book. 00:13:45.285 --> 00:13:48.245 Jon Gordon: And it's so funny we're talking about it because I even just recently prayed 00:13:48.245 --> 00:13:51.200 Jon Gordon: on it because I thought, you know, this book is not taken off by 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:52.160 Jon Gordon: the energy bus as. 00:13:52.160 --> 00:13:53.600 Jon Gordon: The energy bus Mhmm. 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:56.960 Jon Gordon: But I think it's it's a story for these times now more than ever, 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:57.840 Jon Gordon: the carpenter. 00:13:57.840 --> 00:13:58.880 Jon Gordon: So just the other day, I said, yeah. 00:13:58.880 --> 00:14:02.320 Jon Gordon: I gotta start putting that book out there again because it's a timeless book, 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:06.320 Jon Gordon: and I really want that book to just take off like it deserves because, 00:14:06.875 --> 00:14:10.875 Jon Gordon: you know, it's it's such a good story and such great principles on 00:14:10.875 --> 00:14:13.675 Jon Gordon: what it means to build a successful business. 00:14:13.675 --> 00:14:14.475 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:14:14.475 --> 00:14:16.235 Lisa Nichols: I love I love that. 00:14:16.235 --> 00:14:20.235 Lisa Nichols: Your books for our listeners, for the two or three people that 00:14:20.270 --> 00:14:21.710 Lisa Nichols: don't know who you are, Jon. 00:14:21.710 --> 00:14:25.230 Jon Gordon: I think there are a lot that don't. 00:14:25.230 --> 00:14:28.270 Lisa Nichols: You know, so many of your books are written kind of like a fable. 00:14:28.270 --> 00:14:29.465 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:14:29.465 --> 00:14:32.105 Lisa Nichols: But, you know, I was thinking about it yesterday, and I was thinking, you 00:14:32.105 --> 00:14:36.105 Lisa Nichols: know, what I love about that is 00:14:36.585 --> 00:14:39.865 Lisa Nichols: the greatest leader you and I have ever known is Jesus Christ. 00:14:39.865 --> 00:14:40.425 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:14:40.425 --> 00:14:43.490 Lisa Nichols: And Jesus taught in parables. 00:14:43.490 --> 00:14:43.890 Lisa Nichols: He did. 00:14:43.890 --> 00:14:44.930 Lisa Nichols: He taught in parables. 00:14:44.930 --> 00:14:48.930 Lisa Nichols: He he took ordinary

things that people understood 00:14:49.010 --> 00:14:52.690 Lisa Nichols: day to day, sheep, wine, 00:14:52.690 --> 00:14:56.690 Lisa Nichols: wineskins, whatever the thing was, seeds, growing agriculture, 00:14:58.335 --> 00:15:01.295 Lisa Nichols: and then taught from those, taught the principles from those. 00:15:01.295 --> 00:15:04.735 Lisa Nichols: And so I was thinking about I was thinking, I love it because Jon's 00:15:04.735 --> 00:15:07.295 Lisa Nichols: done the same thing with his writing. 00:15:07.295 --> 00:15:08.095 Lisa Nichols: And so 00:15:08.095 --> 00:15:10.180 Jon Gordon: I've been inspired by the ultimate carpenter. 00:15:10.180 --> 00:15:10.980 Jon Gordon: That's for sure. 00:15:10.980 --> 00:15:11.540 Lisa Nichols: Amen. 00:15:11.540 --> 00:15:14.180 Lisa Nichols: Amen to that. 00:15:14.180 --> 00:15:17.780 Lisa Nichols: You know, so I love this and you've already kind of alluded to it 00:15:17.780 --> 00:15:20.820 Lisa Nichols: that you, you know, really had to change your mindset. 00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:23.700 Lisa Nichols: It was funny because a lot of people call you Mr. 00:15:23.700 --> 00:15:25.055 Lisa Nichols: Positive. 00:15:25.055 --> 00:15:26.895 Lisa Nichols: In fact, Jon, this is funny. 00:15:26.895 --> 00:15:30.895 Lisa Nichols: I was on the call with the CEO forum member this morning, and 00:15:30.895 --> 00:15:32.415 Lisa Nichols: I'm like, I'm so excited. 00:15:32.415 --> 00:15:34.575 Lisa Nichols: Jon Gordon is coming on the podcast. 00:15:34.575 --> 00:15:38.110 Lisa Nichols: I know he's gonna be at our annual summit, etcetera, etcetera. 00:15:38.110 --> 00:15:41.630 Lisa Nichols: And she said she goes, he is, like, the most positive person. 00:15:41.630 --> 00:15:44.270 Lisa Nichols: Mister energy is what she said. 00:15:44.270 --> 00:15:45.710 Lisa Nichols: But here's what you say. 00:15:45.710 --> 00:15:47.470 Lisa Nichols: You know? 00:15:47.470 --> 00:15:49.710 Lisa Nichols: You weren't really born positive. 00:15:49.710 --> 00:15:50.270 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:15:50.270 --> 00:15:51.390 Jon Gordon: Nope. 00:15:51.390 --> 00:15:54.755 Lisa Nichols: You know, what you know, 00:15:54.755 --> 00:15:58.755 Lisa Nichols: if someone met the twenty five year old Jon Gordon, what would 00:15:58.995 --> 00:16:01.475 Lisa Nichols: surprise them the most? 00:16:01.475 --> 00:16:03.155 Jon Gordon: Well, 00:16:03.155 --> 00:16:06.675 Jon Gordon: on the outside, they would see someone who had a lot of energy and 00:16:06.675 --> 00:16:10.675 Jon Gordon: who was fired up and passionate, excited, 00:16:11.560 --> 00:16:15.560 Jon Gordon: who was a mover and shaker at twenty five and accomplishing things and 00:16:16.520 --> 00:16:20.520 Jon Gordon: but they would see that that person didn't have much faith and 00:16:20.520 --> 00:16:24.255 Jon Gordon: didn't have much connection to God Yeah. 00:16:24.255 --> 00:16:27.375 Jon Gordon: And was powered by their own individual 00:16:27.375 --> 00:16:29.055 Jon Gordon: belief. 00:16:29.055 --> 00:16:33.055 Jon Gordon: But then as that belief waned, as circumstances became 00:16:34.015 --> 00:16:34.735 Jon Gordon: challenging. 00:16:34.735 --> 00:16:36.140 Lisa Nichols: Difficult. 00:16:36.140 --> 00:16:40.140 Jon Gordon: As there were times I wanted to give up, 00:16:40.460 --> 00:16:44.460 Jon Gordon: I had to find a greater faith, a greater strength, a greater source. 00:16:44.620 --> 00:16:48.620 Jon Gordon: And that's ultimately what led me to the real source of positivity. 00:16:49.115 --> 00:16:53.115 Jon Gordon: That person who met me would also say, you know, 00:16:53.355 --> 00:16:56.155 Jon Gordon: I I like him, but he's got a lot of work to do. 00:16:56.155 --> 00:16:59.755 Jon Gordon: And so been been been doing a lot of work all these years just 00:16:59.755 --> 00:17:03.410 Jon Gordon: to become, you know, a better person, a better father, a better husband. 00:17:03.410 --> 00:17:07.410 Jon Gordon: And we're all works in progress, but you gotta do the work. 00:17:07.410 --> 00:17:07.810 Jon Gordon: Yes. 00:17:07.810 --> 00:17:11.730 Jon Gordon: You gotta invest in yourself, and you gotta look for ways to learn and 00:17:11.730 --> 00:17:13.810 Jon Gordon: heal and grow. 00:17:13.810 --> 00:17:17.810 Jon Gordon: And I would say that twenty five year old version wasn't even remotely 00:17:18.130 --> 00:17:21.005 Jon Gordon: healed and had to work on the healing process. 00:17:21.005 --> 00:17:24.445 Jon Gordon: And if you know anything about Jesus, he he came to heal. 00:17:24.445 --> 00:17:26.205 Jon Gordon: It was a healing ministry. 00:17:26.205 --> 00:17:26.605 Jon Gordon: Mhmm. 00:17:26.605 --> 00:17:29.805 Lisa Nichols: And so God Not just physical healing. 00:17:29.805 --> 00:17:30.005 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:17:29.965 --> 00:17:31.245 Jon Gordon: It was it was complete healing. 00:17:31.245 --> 00:17:32.365 Jon Gordon: It was soul healing. 00:17:32.365 --> 00:17:32.605 Lisa Nichols: Heal. 00:17:32.605 --> 00:17:33.645 Lisa Nichols: It's soul healing. 00:17:33.645 --> 00:17:37.070 Jon Gordon: And God God didn't just come to save us. 00:17:37.070 --> 00:17:40.670 Jon Gordon: He came to heal us, and that's what we have to remember. 00:17:40.670 --> 00:17:44.670 Jon Gordon: So for me, it's it's all about it's all about the healing. 00:17:44.830 --> 00:17:45.550 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:17:45.550 --> 00:17:49.550 Lisa Nichols: So that brings me to another question because, 00:17:49.735 --> 00:17:53.735 Lisa Nichols: you know and I I know you're transparent with this, but your biological 00:17:53.895 --> 00:17:56.215 Lisa Nichols: father left you guys when you were one year one. 00:17:56.215 --> 00:17:56.455 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:17:56.455 --> 00:17:59.335 Jon Gordon: I when I was one of my my older brother was, was about three 00:17:59.335 --> 00:18:00.055 Jon Gordon: or four. 00:18:00.055 --> 00:18:01.015 Lisa Nichols: Three or four. 00:18:01.015 --> 00:18:01.495 Lisa Nichols: You know?

00:18:01.495 --> 00:18:05.495 Lisa Nichols: And and, Jon, to your forgive you know, healing, 00:18:05.780 --> 00:18:07.220 Lisa Nichols: the unforgiveness. 00:18:07.220 --> 00:18:08.420 Lisa Nichols: There was some unforgiveness. 00:18:08.420 --> 00:18:12.420 Lisa Nichols: And I think you took a journey to go and forgive your biological 00:18:12.580 --> 00:18:16.580 Lisa Nichols: father, and you said you really did not write one word 00:18:17.335 --> 00:18:19.095 Lisa Nichols: until you had done that. 00:18:19.095 --> 00:18:19.335 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:18:19.335 --> 00:18:22.935 Lisa Nichols: And then you had done the work of forgiving him. 00:18:22.935 --> 00:18:23.175 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:18:23.175 --> 00:18:27.015 Jon Gordon: I wrote about that in the power of positive habits, and it was in 00:18:27.015 --> 00:18:29.815 Jon Gordon: the writing of that book that I really thought about, wow. 00:18:29.815 --> 00:18:33.815 Jon Gordon: I didn't start writing until I went and visited 00:18:34.150 --> 00:18:35.590 Jon Gordon: him and forgave him. 00:18:35.590 --> 00:18:37.670 Jon Gordon: Before that, I had writer's block. 00:18:37.670 --> 00:18:38.550 Jon Gordon: I couldn't write. 00:18:38.550 --> 00:18:38.950 Jon Gordon: Mhmm. 00:18:38.950 --> 00:18:41.750 Jon Gordon: I had I had a faith encounter with Jesus. 00:18:41.750 --> 00:18:45.750 Jon Gordon: I had these encounters that really just led me to 00:18:45.830 --> 00:18:47.075 Jon Gordon: greater faith. 00:18:47.075 --> 00:18:48.435 Jon Gordon: I'm now transforming. 00:18:48.435 --> 00:18:51.235 Jon Gordon: I get baptized, and I wanna write. 00:18:51.235 --> 00:18:51.955 Jon Gordon: I wanna speak. 00:18:51.955 --> 00:18:54.675 Jon Gordon: I know that's my calling, and I can't. 00:18:54.675 --> 00:18:57.395 Jon Gordon: And so I went up to visit him 00:18:57.395 --> 00:19:01.060 Jon Gordon: to forgive him, but I wasn't doing that so I can write and speak. 00:19:01.060 --> 00:19:04.900 Jon Gordon: I just knew I was supposed to go forgive him because that was something 00:19:04.900 --> 00:19:06.340 Jon Gordon: I was being convicted on. 00:19:06.340 --> 00:19:06.660 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:19:06.660 --> 00:19:09.620 Jon Gordon: So I went up to Long Island, New York where I grew up, and 00:19:09.620 --> 00:19:10.740 Jon Gordon: and I went to go do that. 00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:13.060 Jon Gordon: I brought my daughter with me. 00:19:13.060 --> 00:19:15.565 Jon Gordon: And when I got back, 00:19:15.565 --> 00:19:16.365 Jon Gordon: I started writing. 00:19:16.365 --> 00:19:18.285 Jon Gordon: Now I didn't realize this until recently. 00:19:18.285 --> 00:19:20.365 Jon Gordon: Like, when I look back, I'm like, oh, wow. 00:19:20.365 --> 00:19:22.765 Jon Gordon: That's when I started writing, when I forgave. 00:19:22.765 --> 00:19:26.765 Jon Gordon: I had to let go of the old in order to create the new. 00:19:26.765 --> 00:19:27.085 Jon Gordon: Mhmm. 00:19:27.085 --> 00:19:29.930 Jon Gordon: Don't let old battles keep you from new victories. 00:19:29.930 --> 00:19:33.930 Jon Gordon: So often, we're allowing ourselves to fight these old battles that 00:19:33.930 --> 00:19:35.690 Jon Gordon: keep us stuck in the past. 00:19:35.690 --> 00:19:35.930 Jon Gordon: Mhmm. 00:19:35.930 --> 00:19:39.450 Jon Gordon: Like, God wants to propel us forward to create the life and the future 00:19:39.450 --> 00:19:40.490 Jon Gordon: you're meant to create. 00:19:40.490 --> 00:19:41.770 Jon Gordon: So I had to let go of that. 00:19:41.770 --> 00:19:42.570 Jon Gordon: Forgive that. 00:19:42.570 --> 00:19:43.685 Jon Gordon: Move on. 00:19:43.685 --> 00:19:46.725 Jon Gordon: Let go of of that hot coal that you're holding on to, wanting it 00:19:46.725 --> 00:19:48.885 Jon Gordon: to throw it wanna throw it someone else. 00:19:48.885 --> 00:19:51.765 Jon Gordon: Just let it go so you can actually 00:19:51.765 --> 00:19:53.685 Jon Gordon: create your life and create your future. 00:19:53.685 --> 00:19:56.485 Jon Gordon: And I did that, and I'm so glad I did. 00:19:56.485 --> 00:19:58.890 Jon Gordon: And I try to encourage other people to do the same. 00:19:58.890 --> 00:20:00.890 Jon Gordon: Like, really forgive. 00:20:00.890 --> 00:20:02.010 Jon Gordon: Don't hold on to it. 00:20:02.010 --> 00:20:02.250 Jon Gordon: Yes. 00:20:02.250 --> 00:20:03.770 Jon Gordon: They wronged you. 00:20:03.770 --> 00:20:04.090 Jon Gordon: Yes. 00:20:04.090 --> 00:20:05.530 Jon Gordon: They hurt you. 00:20:05.530 --> 00:20:05.770 Jon Gordon: Yes. 00:20:05.770 --> 00:20:07.690 Jon Gordon: You're justified in being angry. 00:20:07.690 --> 00:20:11.690 Jon Gordon: And yet, by being angry, by holding on to it, you're holding you 00:20:11.930 --> 00:20:12.250 Jon Gordon: back. 00:20:12.250 --> 00:20:13.785 Jon Gordon: You're poisoning yourself. 00:20:13.785 --> 00:20:16.345 Jon Gordon: So just let it all go, 00:20:16.345 --> 00:20:18.345 Jon Gordon: and you go be free to create your future. 00:20:18.345 --> 00:20:21.865 Jon Gordon: So that's why I call it forgive fast because the faster you forgive, the 00:20:21.865 --> 00:20:23.625 Jon Gordon: sooner you can start growing. 00:20:23.625 --> 00:20:24.985 Lisa Nichols: That you have freedom then. 00:20:24.985 --> 00:20:25.305 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:20:25.305 --> 00:20:25.865 Lisa Nichols: I mean, yeah. 00:20:25.865 --> 00:20:28.430 Lisa Nichols: Because it'll it it'll enslave you. 00:20:28.430 --> 00:20:28.990 Jon Gordon: It will. 00:20:28.990 --> 00:20:32.990 Jon Gordon: Faster forgive fast, and then you have freedom faster 00:20:32.990 --> 00:20:33.870 Jon Gordon: and sooner. 00:20:33.870 --> 00:20:37.870 Jon Gordon: And then once you have freedom, then you're able to really start start 00:20:37.950 --> 00:20:38.590 Jon Gordon: growing up. 00:20:38.590 --> 00:20:42.110 Jon Gordon: I had to forgive Michael Arrieta for for at his event at Garden City 00:20:42.110 --> 00:20:44.775 Jon Gordon: where we're at because when did I speak? 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00:20:46.535 Jon Gordon: Outside at dinner and then 00:20:46.535 --> 00:20:47.335 Lisa Nichols: at dinner? 00:20:47.335 --> 00:20:51.095 Jon Gordon: There's, like, a storm, like, just like the winds are blowing 00:20:51.095 --> 00:20:51.655 Lisa Nichols: Right. 00:20:51.655 --> 00:20:53.015 Jon Gordon: On the stage. 00:20:53.015 --> 00:20:53.815 Jon Gordon: I'm about to go up. 00:20:53.815 --> 00:20:57.815 Jon Gordon: And Chris Hodges, the second most influential pastor in in 00:20:57.950 --> 00:21:01.390 Jon Gordon: in the country, says to me, 00:21:01.390 --> 00:21:03.870 Jon Gordon: man, that's a tough that this is a tough environment. 00:21:03.870 --> 00:21:04.750 Jon Gordon: I go, I know. 00:21:04.750 --> 00:21:07.550 Jon Gordon: It's like he goes, I don't think I've seen a a harder environment. 00:21:07.550 --> 00:21:08.430 Jon Gordon: I'm like, I know. 00:21:08.430 --> 00:21:10.715 Jon Gordon: Like, it waves are crashing. 00:21:10.715 --> 00:21:12.555 Jon Gordon: You're it's pitch black. 00:21:12.555 --> 00:21:13.595 Jon Gordon: People just ate. 00:21:13.595 --> 00:21:15.675 Jon Gordon: People were enjoying some cocktails. 00:21:15.675 --> 00:21:16.235 Jon Gordon: Oh, Jon. 00:21:16.235 --> 00:21:17.915 Jon Gordon: And go give your talk up there. 00:21:17.915 --> 00:21:19.275 Lisa Nichols: Go give your talk. 00:21:19.275 --> 00:21:19.915 Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness. 00:21:19.915 --> 00:21:20.875 Jon Gordon: And I said, Michael, really? 00:21:20.875 --> 00:21:22.050 Jon Gordon: You want me to speak in this? 00:21:22.050 --> 00:21:25.650 Jon Gordon: But it was amazing because once I started speaking, I just felt the holy 00:21:25.650 --> 00:21:28.930 Jon Gordon: spirit, and God was just moving in a pout way. 00:21:28.930 --> 00:21:31.570 Jon Gordon: And I know I told that story of forgiving fast. 00:21:31.570 --> 00:21:31.970 Jon Gordon: And 00:21:31.970 --> 00:21:32.450 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:21:32.450 --> 00:21:32.650 Lisa Nichols: And 00:21:32.610 --> 00:21:34.735 Jon Gordon: people came up to me and said, man, I needed to hear that. 00:21:34.735 --> 00:21:35.055 Jon Gordon: So so 00:21:35.055 --> 00:21:35.535 Lisa Nichols: cool. 00:21:35.535 --> 00:21:36.415 Lisa Nichols: To hear that. 00:21:36.415 --> 00:21:37.295 Jon Gordon: I needed to hear it too. 00:21:37.295 --> 00:21:41.135 Jon Gordon: So it's so cool God used that story, that environment. 00:21:41.135 --> 00:21:41.335 Jon Gordon: Yes. 00:21:41.295 --> 00:21:43.535 Jon Gordon: And it it was the perfect environment for that story. 00:21:43.535 --> 00:21:47.215 Jon Gordon: It was the perfect environment for if it was the perfect environment during the 00:21:47.215 --> 00:21:50.940 Jon Gordon: day where people were on stage, like, normal talks that everyone else was giving, 00:21:50.940 --> 00:21:54.940 Jon Gordon: now let's put Jon on the pitch black storm stage. 00:21:55.580 --> 00:21:58.060 Jon Gordon: But but it was it was like, for some reason, God used it in 00:21:58.060 --> 00:22:01.415 Jon Gordon: a a cool mystical way to share these kind of stories. 00:22:01.415 --> 00:22:02.055 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:22:02.055 --> 00:22:02.535 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:22:02.535 --> 00:22:03.575 Lisa Nichols: I yeah. 00:22:03.575 --> 00:22:07.575 Lisa Nichols: I can only imagine how difficult that was, but the message was not 00:22:07.735 --> 00:22:08.695 Lisa Nichols: lost. 00:22:08.695 --> 00:22:10.935 Lisa Nichols: The message was not lost on anyone. 00:22:10.935 --> 00:22:13.175 Lisa Nichols: So kudos to the holy spirit. 00:22:13.175 --> 00:22:13.815 Lisa Nichols: Kudos 00:22:13.815 --> 00:22:14.455 Jon Gordon: There you go. 00:22:14.455 --> 00:22:16.080 Lisa Nichols: To you. 00:22:16.080 --> 00:22:16.720 Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness. 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:18.880 Lisa Nichols: Well, I got a lot of questions here, Jon. 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.760 Lisa Nichols: But we do need to take a quick break, and we'll be right back 00:22:21.760 --> 00:22:25.200 Lisa Nichols: on the Something Extra podcast with Jon Gordon. 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:29.200 Speaker 2: In business, the tendency is to seek out partners who are bigger, faster, 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:30.000 Speaker 2: stronger. 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:34.000 Speaker 2: When it comes to IT, you should be looking for smarter, faster, better. 00:22:34.275 --> 00:22:38.275 Speaker 2: That's just what you'll find with the talented technologists at Technology Partners. 00:22:38.275 --> 00:22:42.275 Speaker 2: Our experts develop custom solutions to tackle your most complex challenges, 00:22:42.755 --> 00:22:46.755 Speaker 2: all to simplify your processes in the smartest, most efficient way possible. 00:22:46.890 --> 00:22:49.450 Speaker 2: The time to be swift and nimble starts now. 00:22:49.450 --> 00:22:53.450 Speaker 2: Go to technology partners dot net slash solutions and see what's possible. 00:22:54.970 --> 00:22:58.970 Lisa Nichols: Welcome back, everyone, to Something Extra podcast with the 00:22:59.130 --> 00:23:02.295 Lisa Nichols: amazing, incredible Jon Gordon. 00:23:02.295 --> 00:23:06.295 Lisa Nichols: So, Jon, you know, you've coached Super Bowl champions, 00:23:07.255 --> 00:23:11.015 Lisa Nichols: Fortune five hundred CEOs, championship teams. 00:23:11.015 --> 00:23:15.015 Lisa Nichols: What do you believe separates great leaders from merely successful 00:23:15.575 --> 00:23:17.050 Lisa Nichols: ones? 00:23:17.050 --> 00:23:21.050 Lisa Nichols: Successful and you know, it's kind of like that significant versus 00:23:21.370 --> 00:23:22.330 Lisa Nichols: success. 00:23:22.330 --> 00:23:22.570 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:23:22.570 --> 00:23:26.570 Jon Gordon: I think you could be successful with the numbers, with the win loss 00:23:26.890 --> 00:23:27.850 Jon Gordon: record. 00:23:27.850 --> 00:23:31.850 Jon Gordon: I would say great leaders are transformation leaders. 00:23:32.475 --> 00:23:33.755 Jon Gordon: They leave their mark on you. 00:23:33.755 --> 00:23:35.115 Jon

Gordon: They leave their imprint. 00:23:35.115 --> 00:23:39.115 Jon Gordon: They put their fingerprint on your soul, and they impact you in a very 00:23:39.355 --> 00:23:43.355 Jon Gordon: deep, powerful way that you're thinking about that leader 00:23:43.355 --> 00:23:46.480 Jon Gordon: years from when that person led you, years later. 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:50.480 Jon Gordon: I think about my coach, coach Richie Moran, who just impacted me in such 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:51.120 Jon Gordon: incredible ways. 00:23:51.120 --> 00:23:55.120 Jon Gordon: I think of Ken Blanchard, who had such an impact on me. 00:23:55.120 --> 00:23:59.120 Jon Gordon: These are transformational leaders, and they don't just care about 00:23:59.120 --> 00:24:00.905 Jon Gordon: you and your performance. 00:24:00.905 --> 00:24:03.465 Jon Gordon: They care about you as a person. 00:24:03.465 --> 00:24:07.305 Jon Gordon: They really want you to grow, and they want you to develop, and they 00:24:07.305 --> 00:24:08.905 Jon Gordon: want you to become all that you're meant to be. 00:24:08.905 --> 00:24:12.905 Jon Gordon: And so I believe that they give everything that they 00:24:12.905 --> 00:24:16.905 Jon Gordon: are to help you become all that you are meant to become. 00:24:17.810 --> 00:24:19.330 Lisa Nichols: Oh, that's so beautiful. 00:24:19.330 --> 00:24:23.330 Lisa Nichols: And for our listeners, you talk I mean, really, 00:24:23.810 --> 00:24:27.810 Lisa Nichols: the seven commitments of a great team. 00:24:27.885 --> 00:24:31.245 Lisa Nichols: Coach Ritchie is all throughout this book. 00:24:31.245 --> 00:24:32.445 Lisa Nichols: So for our, 00:24:32.445 --> 00:24:36.445 Jon Gordon: team based on my real life coach Ritchie that I put in the seven 00:24:36.685 --> 00:24:40.605 Jon Gordon: commitments of a great team, and and he's someone who, you know, coach Ritchie 00:24:40.605 --> 00:24:41.405 Jon Gordon: impacted my life. 00:24:41.405 --> 00:24:45.405 Jon Gordon: And so, yes, coach Ritchie in the book, his mannerisms, characteristics, 00:24:45.940 --> 00:24:48.420 Jon Gordon: and so forth, that was coach Ritchie. 00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:52.420 Jon Gordon: And I wrote about him in a fictional way, but inspired by 00:24:52.420 --> 00:24:53.860 Jon Gordon: my real coach. 00:24:53.860 --> 00:24:54.420 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:24:54.420 --> 00:24:55.460 Lisa Nichols: That's so cool. 00:24:55.460 --> 00:24:57.675 Lisa Nichols: That's so cool. 00:24:57.675 --> 00:24:58.875 Lisa Nichols: Let me let me ask you this. 00:24:58.875 --> 00:25:02.395 Lisa Nichols: So we're we've talked about the energy bus. 00:25:02.395 --> 00:25:04.395 Lisa Nichols: You talk about energy vampires. 00:25:04.395 --> 00:25:08.075 Lisa Nichols: You wanna talk about that a little bit, but, you know, you've spent years 00:25:08.075 --> 00:25:09.355 Lisa Nichols: talking about energy. 00:25:09.355 --> 00:25:13.355 Lisa Nichols: Do you think one leader really can change the emotional of an organization, 00:25:14.020 --> 00:25:14.500 Lisa Nichols: Jon? 00:25:14.500 --> 00:25:14.980 Jon Gordon: Oh, yeah. 00:25:14.980 --> 00:25:18.980 Jon Gordon: One leader who is a positive leader, who brings love, 00:25:19.540 --> 00:25:23.540 Jon Gordon: passion, care, transforms the team, transforms 00:25:23.620 --> 00:25:24.935 Jon Gordon: the organization. 00:25:24.935 --> 00:25:28.935 Jon Gordon: I've seen this with Dabo Swinney, the coach of Clemson University, 00:25:29.015 --> 00:25:29.735 Jon Gordon: the football team. 00:25:29.735 --> 00:25:33.735 Jon Gordon: And I've seen how Dabo and his spirit, his energy literally transformed 00:25:34.215 --> 00:25:38.215 Jon Gordon: not just the team, but the school, the community, 00:25:38.215 --> 00:25:41.730 Jon Gordon: and now an entire state because of his energy. 00:25:41.730 --> 00:25:45.730 Jon Gordon: Alan Mulally turned around Ford when they were losing fourteen billion 00:25:45.730 --> 00:25:46.130 Jon Gordon: dollars. 00:25:46.130 --> 00:25:49.730 Jon Gordon: He defined his leadership style as positive leadership. 00:25:49.730 --> 00:25:53.730 Jon Gordon: He transformed the entire company and the community. 00:25:55.055 --> 00:25:59.055 Jon Gordon: And thousands of jobs he was able to save because of his leadership, his 00:25:59.055 --> 00:26:00.095 Jon Gordon: energy, his belief. 00:26:00.095 --> 00:26:03.935 Jon Gordon: So, yes, one leader can change everything. 00:26:03.935 --> 00:26:07.935 Jon Gordon: You put a great leader in a school, 00:26:08.340 --> 00:26:11.140 Jon Gordon: That school principal will transform the school. 00:26:11.140 --> 00:26:15.140 Jon Gordon: You put a great coach on a team, that coach will transform the team. 00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:18.420 Jon Gordon: You bring in a great CEO, that CEO will transform the company. 00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:20.260 Jon Gordon: This is why I do what I do now. 00:26:20.260 --> 00:26:23.835 Jon Gordon: I am here to develop positive leaders who make a positive impact. 00:26:23.835 --> 00:26:26.555 Jon Gordon: And I've worked with the best of the best, and I've seen what they 00:26:26.555 --> 00:26:27.355 Jon Gordon: do. 00:26:27.355 --> 00:26:31.355 Jon Gordon: And my goal is to continue to share this with with all the leaders 00:26:31.675 --> 00:26:35.160 Jon Gordon: out there so they can become that kind of leader, so they can impact 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.160 Jon Gordon: their team, their family, their organization. 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:39.000 Jon Gordon: And if your team is five people, great. 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:41.080 Jon Gordon: You impact those five people. 00:26:41.080 --> 00:26:42.600 Jon Gordon: If you choose a hundred people, great. 00:26:42.600 --> 00:26:44.600 Jon Gordon: Impact those hundred people. 00:26:44.600 --> 00:26:46.040 Jon Gordon: You have the ability to do that. 00:26:46.040 --> 00:26:48.415 Jon Gordon: Leadership is a transfer of belief. 00:26:48.415 --> 00:26:52.415 Jon Gordon: So you're transferring your belief and

your energy every day to those 00:26:52.415 --> 00:26:56.415 Jon Gordon: that you lead and then has a direct impact on them and their performance. 00:26:56.815 --> 00:26:57.695 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:26:57.695 --> 00:26:59.135 Lisa Nichols: Them and their performance, Jon. 00:26:59.135 --> 00:27:00.815 Lisa Nichols: And there's one other thing I'm gonna add. 00:27:00.815 --> 00:27:03.560 Lisa Nichols: There's a multiplication factor. 00:27:03.560 --> 00:27:04.120 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:27:04.120 --> 00:27:04.440 Jon Gordon: Be more. 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:05.080 Jon Gordon: A multi yeah. 00:27:05.080 --> 00:27:07.800 Jon Gordon: It's a multi it's a I call it a ripple effect, and you call 00:27:07.800 --> 00:27:09.080 Jon Gordon: it a multiplier. 00:27:09.080 --> 00:27:09.320 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:27:09.320 --> 00:27:10.440 Lisa Nichols: It's a multiplier. 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:10.760 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:27:10.760 --> 00:27:14.040 Jon Gordon: A ripple effect because you impact them, what happens? 00:27:14.040 --> 00:27:18.040 Jon Gordon: That person now is leading their family in a different way, their team 00:27:18.335 --> 00:27:22.335 Jon Gordon: in a different way, interacting with the customers and bringing more positive energy 00:27:22.495 --> 00:27:23.455 Jon Gordon: to the customers. 00:27:23.455 --> 00:27:27.455 Jon Gordon: So one leader has a ripple effect or a multiplying effect 00:27:27.615 --> 00:27:30.520 Jon Gordon: with how they lead and all the people that they impact. 00:27:30.520 --> 00:27:34.520 Jon Gordon: And when we work with leaders with our company, with our leadership development part 00:27:34.600 --> 00:27:38.600 Jon Gordon: of our company, our whole goal is to teach them to cascade the 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:41.880 Jon Gordon: leadership down and throughout the organization. 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.125 Jon Gordon: So you lead your direct reports. 00:27:44.125 --> 00:27:47.965 Jon Gordon: And then from there, your direct reports lead their teams. 00:27:47.965 --> 00:27:50.605 Jon Gordon: Those direct reports then lead their team. 00:27:50.605 --> 00:27:54.205 Jon Gordon: So you're cascading this kind of positive leadership throughout the organization. 00:27:54.205 --> 00:27:55.965 Jon Gordon: That's how you transform a culture. 00:27:55.965 --> 00:27:58.950 Jon Gordon: That's how you elevate performance and results. 00:27:58.950 --> 00:27:59.750 Lisa Nichols: So good. 00:27:59.750 --> 00:28:00.390 Lisa Nichols: So good. 00:28:00.390 --> 00:28:00.790 Lisa Nichols: So good. 00:28:00.790 --> 00:28:02.950 Lisa Nichols: So good. 00:28:02.950 --> 00:28:06.870 Lisa Nichols: You know, I guess if you out of all your books, I mean, you 00:28:06.870 --> 00:28:09.270 Lisa Nichols: know and and it could be what you just said. 00:28:09.270 --> 00:28:13.270 Lisa Nichols: But if there's one principle that you can leave through all of 00:28:13.365 --> 00:28:16.645 Lisa Nichols: your book I mean, what what would be that one principle, Jon? 00:28:16.645 --> 00:28:18.085 Jon Gordon: I believe in many principles. 00:28:18.085 --> 00:28:18.885 Jon Gordon: That's the hard part. 00:28:18.885 --> 00:28:19.085 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:28:19.045 --> 00:28:19.365 Lisa Nichols: I know. 00:28:19.365 --> 00:28:20.405 Lisa Nichols: That's the hard part. 00:28:20.405 --> 00:28:21.525 Jon Gordon: But but, I mean... 00:28:21.525 --> 00:28:24.165 Lisa Nichols: Well, name one. 00:28:24.165 --> 00:28:25.685 Jon Gordon: Optimism 00:28:25.685 --> 00:28:27.660 Jon Gordon: and belief. 00:28:27.660 --> 00:28:27.860 Jon Gordon: Mhmm. 00:28:27.740 --> 00:28:29.260 Jon Gordon: Those are competitive advantages. 00:28:29.260 --> 00:28:33.260 Jon Gordon: Like, when you have optimism and you have belief and you transfer 00:28:33.340 --> 00:28:36.940 Jon Gordon: that belief to your team, it really is a competitive advantage. 00:28:36.940 --> 00:28:37.500 Jon Gordon: We saw Yeah. 00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:40.700 Jon Gordon: We we so often poo poo positivity. 00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:42.285 Jon Gordon: We think it's soft. 00:28:42.285 --> 00:28:43.725 Jon Gordon: We think it's weak. 00:28:43.725 --> 00:28:47.485 Jon Gordon: It's actually the real thing that delivers results. 00:28:47.485 --> 00:28:49.725 Jon Gordon: Being positive doesn't mean Pollyanna. 00:28:49.725 --> 00:28:50.445 Jon Gordon: Like, it's not about 00:28:50.445 --> 00:28:51.885 Lisa Nichols: That's what I was gonna ask you. 00:28:51.885 --> 00:28:52.085 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:28:52.045 --> 00:28:55.085 Jon Gordon: It's not about it's not about seeing the world through rose colored glasses. 00:28:55.085 --> 00:28:56.680 Jon Gordon: It's knowing that Mhmm. 00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:58.600 Jon Gordon: You have the power to overcome the thorns. 00:28:58.600 --> 00:29:01.160 Jon Gordon: And it's definitely not about ignoring reality. 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:04.920 Jon Gordon: It's maintaining optimism, belief, and faith to create a better reality. 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.920 Jon Gordon: Because, Lisa, I often say, pessimists do not change the world 00:29:09.165 --> 00:29:11.725 Lisa Nichols: Throughout Have you ever seen a pessimist change the world? 00:29:11.725 --> 00:29:12.605 Lisa Nichols: Never. 00:29:12.605 --> 00:29:12.925 Lisa Nichols: Never. 00:29:12.925 --> 00:29:15.565 Jon Gordon: Throughout history, it's the positive leaders that do that. 00:29:15.565 --> 00:29:16.605 Jon Gordon: So so Right. 00:29:16.605 --> 00:29:20.605 Jon Gordon: I believe it's the most important part of leadership is that optimism 00:29:20.685 --> 00:29:23.245 Jon Gordon: and belief next to integrity. 00:29:23.245 --> 00:29:27.245 Jon Gordon: The integrity of what I say and what I do, there's no 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:27.800 Jon Gordon: gap. 00:29:27.800 --> 00:29:30.120 Jon Gordon: There is a completeness. 00:29:30.120 --> 00:29:33.400 Jon Gordon: Integrity comes from the word integer, which means whole and complete. 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.520 Jon Gordon: So

when you have integrity, you have wholeness and completeness. 00:29:36.520 --> 00:29:40.520 Jon Gordon: And because of that, you have a strong foundation, and then there's moral authority, 00:29:40.575 --> 00:29:42.335 Jon Gordon: and your team knows they can trust you. 00:29:42.335 --> 00:29:46.335 Jon Gordon: So integrity is essential for leadership, but optimism and belief is sort 00:29:46.335 --> 00:29:50.175 Jon Gordon: of what you then convey to others to help them perform at a higher 00:29:50.175 --> 00:29:51.135 Jon Gordon: level. 00:29:51.135 --> 00:29:52.415 Lisa Nichols: That's so good. 00:29:52.415 --> 00:29:53.215 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:29:53.215 --> 00:29:57.215 Lisa Nichols: From the energy bus, I mean, you say positive leaders 00:29:57.420 --> 00:29:57.740 Lisa Nichols: yeah. 00:29:57.740 --> 00:30:01.740 Lisa Nichols: I was gonna ask you about the Pollyanna because sometimes things are really 00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:02.780 Lisa Nichols: hard. 00:30:02.780 --> 00:30:03.820 Lisa Nichols: Let's just face it. 00:30:03.820 --> 00:30:06.140 Lisa Nichols: There are economic challenges. 00:30:06.140 --> 00:30:08.220 Lisa Nichols: There's political challenges. 00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:09.945 Lisa Nichols: Business can be really hard. 00:30:09.945 --> 00:30:13.945 Lisa Nichols: I mean, we've definitely in thirty two years of running our company, we've we've 00:30:14.025 --> 00:30:16.665 Lisa Nichols: seen some hard, really hard seasons. 00:30:16.665 --> 00:30:20.665 Lisa Nichols: And you say positive leaders don't ignore reality, 00:30:20.745 --> 00:30:24.745 Lisa Nichols: but they choose to lead with hope despite the reality. 00:30:25.370 --> 00:30:28.730 Jon Gordon: And they create a better reality as a result of that because of their 00:30:28.730 --> 00:30:32.730 Jon Gordon: hope, because of their optimism, because of their belief, because they're not defined 00:30:33.050 --> 00:30:34.570 Jon Gordon: by their circumstances. 00:30:34.570 --> 00:30:38.570 Jon Gordon: Circumstances could be difficult, but they lead through the circumstances to 00:30:38.650 --> 00:30:40.490 Jon Gordon: create better circumstances. 00:30:40.490 --> 00:30:40.970 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:30:40.970 --> 00:30:42.225 Lisa Nichols: That's so good. 00:30:42.225 --> 00:30:45.185 Lisa Nichols: That is so good. 00:30:45.185 --> 00:30:46.625 Lisa Nichols: Alright. 00:30:46.625 --> 00:30:49.825 Lisa Nichols: Is there something that God's been teaching you specifically this year? 00:30:49.825 --> 00:30:53.825 Lisa Nichols: And I I just your faith journey, Jon, you didn't even come to 00:30:54.065 --> 00:30:56.705 Lisa Nichols: know Jesus Christ until you were thirty five, I think. 00:30:56.705 --> 00:30:57.400 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:57.640 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:30:57.640 --> 00:30:58.200 Jon Gordon: Thirty five. 00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.360 Lisa Nichols: I was I was my mom was Jewish. 00:31:00.360 --> 00:31:01.240 Lisa Nichols: Other things. 00:31:01.240 -->

00:31:01.720 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:02.040 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:31:02.040 --> 00:31:06.040 Jon Gordon: Mom was Jewish, then I was into new age 00:31:06.040 --> 00:31:08.760 Jon Gordon: and Buddhism and all that good stuff in my twenties. 00:31:08.760 --> 00:31:10.815 Jon Gordon: I was a spiritual seeker. 00:31:10.815 --> 00:31:13.775 Jon Gordon: I always felt like there was a god, the father, who cared about me. 00:31:13.775 --> 00:31:16.575 Jon Gordon: So I always felt there was a personal god. 00:31:16.575 --> 00:31:20.575 Jon Gordon: Didn't understand anything about Jesus until I was thirty three, 00:31:20.735 --> 00:31:24.735 Jon Gordon: thirty four, until I started to listen to some sermons that friends gave me. 00:31:24.815 --> 00:31:27.460 Jon Gordon: And I remember going, wow. 00:31:27.460 --> 00:31:29.220 Jon Gordon: I think there's something to this. 00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:30.180 Jon Gordon: And I said a prayer. 00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:33.460 Jon Gordon: God, if there is something to this Jesus, I'm open. 00:31:33.460 --> 00:31:35.300 Jon Gordon: Show me the signs, god. 00:31:35.300 --> 00:31:36.900 Jon Gordon: And I started seeing signs everywhere. 00:31:36.900 --> 00:31:40.195 Jon Gordon: I was driving down the road, and I'm looking to the left. 00:31:40.195 --> 00:31:43.955 Jon Gordon: And I lit I literally heard look, and I turned to the right, and 00:31:43.955 --> 00:31:47.795 Jon Gordon: there's a sign that says, Jesus is the answer. 00:31:47.795 --> 00:31:49.075 Jon Gordon: It was a literal sign. 00:31:49.075 --> 00:31:53.075 Jon Gordon: And I kept seeing signs like that everywhere I went. 00:31:53.490 --> 00:31:57.490 Jon Gordon: And so, yeah, God was pointing me in that direction, 00:31:57.570 --> 00:32:01.570 Jon Gordon: showing me the way, and eventually, you know, came to faith at at thirty 00:32:01.570 --> 00:32:04.850 Jon Gordon: five years old, and it it's changed my life. 00:32:04.850 --> 00:32:07.885 Jon Gordon: It's the number one decision I made besides marrying my wife. 00:32:07.885 --> 00:32:10.685 Jon Gordon: That's the most important second decision I made. 00:32:10.685 --> 00:32:11.565 Jon Gordon: You know? 00:32:11.565 --> 00:32:15.565 Jon Gordon: Sometimes, if I'm honest, my wife, I feel, is my most important decision, but 00:32:15.885 --> 00:32:18.045 Jon Gordon: we know God forgives me for that. 00:32:18.045 --> 00:32:19.885 Jon Gordon: And then there is God. 00:32:19.885 --> 00:32:23.710 Jon Gordon: There is my wife, and then there's what am I here to do? 00:32:23.710 --> 00:32:25.230 Jon Gordon: What is my profession? 00:32:25.230 --> 00:32:29.230 Jon Gordon: How am I to live this vision and mission and 00:32:29.230 --> 00:32:31.710 Jon Gordon: purpose that you have for me, God? 00:32:31.710 --> 00:32:33.950 Jon Gordon: And so then I found that in in doing this work. 00:32:33.950 --> 00:32:36.985 Jon Gordon: So, yeah, God is always teaching me new things. 00:32:36.985 --> 00:32:37.785 Jon Gordon: That's how Yeah. 00:32:37.785 --> 00:32:40.745 Jon Gordon: New book new books emerge, new ideas. 00:32:40.745 --> 00:32:43.625 Jon Gordon: And so I've got, like, five new books that I have written down that 00:32:43.625 --> 00:32:45.465 Jon Gordon: I know I wanna write on. 00:32:45.465 --> 00:32:47.625 Jon Gordon: I'm just not sure which one to do next, honestly. 00:32:47.625 --> 00:32:48.745 Jon Gordon: And I'm I'm So 00:32:48.745 --> 00:32:50.280 Lisa Nichols: you're praying about it? 00:32:50.280 --> 00:32:53.240 Jon Gordon: I, I am praying, like, I'm praying, God, which book do you want me 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:53.800 Jon Gordon: to write next? 00:32:53.800 --> 00:32:55.480 Jon Gordon: Like, what am I supposed to do? 00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:55.800 Jon Gordon: Mhmm. 00:32:55.800 --> 00:32:56.840 Jon Gordon: What am I supposed to write? 00:32:56.840 --> 00:32:57.880 Jon Gordon: And it might be a year. 00:32:57.880 --> 00:32:59.000 Jon Gordon: I might take a year off this time. 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.080 Jon Gordon: I haven't taken a year off in a long time. 00:33:01.080 --> 00:33:03.575 Jon Gordon: I mean, thirty three books, 00:33:03.575 --> 00:33:05.735 Jon Gordon: but I think I might even take a year off. 00:33:05.735 --> 00:33:06.615 Jon Gordon: We'll see. 00:33:06.615 --> 00:33:09.575 Jon Gordon: But if God starts to put these ideas and I can't sleep and I 00:33:09.575 --> 00:33:11.255 Jon Gordon: start waking up and I start Mhmm. 00:33:11.255 --> 00:33:14.215 Jon Gordon: Writing things down, that's when I know I'm supposed to write a new book. 00:33:14.215 --> 00:33:17.095 Jon Gordon: But what I've been really thinking of a lot about lately I don't think 00:33:17.095 --> 00:33:21.095 Jon Gordon: there's a new book right now, but what I'm enjoying teaching and sharing 00:33:21.310 --> 00:33:25.310 Jon Gordon: is the fact that every leader has wounds that need 00:33:25.310 --> 00:33:26.670 Jon Gordon: to be healed. 00:33:26.670 --> 00:33:30.510 Jon Gordon: And so I really love talking to leaders about their wounds and the healing 00:33:30.510 --> 00:33:34.455 Jon Gordon: that must take place so that they can lead from the healing, not their 00:33:34.455 --> 00:33:35.255 Jon Gordon: wounds. 00:33:35.255 --> 00:33:39.095 Jon Gordon: Because if a leader is leading from their wounds, they're gonna lead with pride, 00:33:39.095 --> 00:33:41.175 Jon Gordon: with ego, with fear. 00:33:41.175 --> 00:33:44.135 Jon Gordon: They're gonna lead trying to get approval from others, and you're not a strong 00:33:44.135 --> 00:33:46.270 Jon Gordon: leader when you're leading from your wounds. 00:33:46.270 --> 00:33:50.270 Jon Gordon: I want leaders to lead from their healing where they're leading from that connection 00:33:50.430 --> 00:33:54.430 Jon Gordon: to God, where they lead with power and purpose and peace and presence, 00:33:54.670 --> 00:33:57.470 Jon Gordon: and then they have a greater impact as a result of that. 00:33:57.470 -->

00:33:57.790 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:33:57.790 --> 00:34:00.385 Lisa Nichols: That's where transformation is gonna happen. 00:34:00.385 --> 00:34:00.785 Lisa Nichols: Right? 00:34:00.785 --> 00:34:03.265 Lisa Nichols: That's where transformation is gonna happen. 00:34:03.265 --> 00:34:04.385 Lisa Nichols: I love that. 00:34:04.385 --> 00:34:05.745 Lisa Nichols: Well, I I don't know. 00:34:05.745 --> 00:34:07.425 Lisa Nichols: I'm I'm not putting words in your mouth. 00:34:07.425 --> 00:34:10.225 Lisa Nichols: I know you're huge on gratitude. 00:34:10.225 --> 00:34:13.105 Lisa Nichols: Our family does a gratitude circle every night. 00:34:13.105 --> 00:34:14.385 Lisa Nichols: I think gratitude is huge. 00:34:14.385 --> 00:34:18.385 Lisa Nichols: But is there one habit one or two habits, Jon, that have had 00:34:18.540 --> 00:34:20.780 Lisa Nichols: the greatest return Oh. 00:34:20.780 --> 00:34:21.980 Lisa Nichols: For you on your line? 00:34:21.980 --> 00:34:22.220 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:34:22.220 --> 00:34:23.100 Jon Gordon: The thank you walk. 00:34:23.100 --> 00:34:23.660 Jon Gordon: No doubt. 00:34:23.660 --> 00:34:25.420 Jon Gordon: I mean, the the walk of gratitude 00:34:25.420 --> 00:34:26.460 Lisa Nichols: The walk of gratitude. 00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:29.420 Jon Gordon: That I started doing over, you know, twenty five years ago. 00:34:29.420 --> 00:34:31.875 Jon Gordon: That is where all the book ideas have come. 00:34:31.875 --> 00:34:35.555 Jon Gordon: It's where I found the most healing, just the most peace. 00:34:35.555 --> 00:34:36.835 Jon Gordon: That one habit changed my life. 00:34:36.835 --> 00:34:40.835 Jon Gordon: And it's why I wrote the power of positive habits because one habit can 00:34:40.915 --> 00:34:42.595 Jon Gordon: change the course of your life. 00:34:42.595 --> 00:34:44.755 Jon Gordon: You just gotta find the right habit. 00:34:44.755 --> 00:34:47.210 Jon Gordon: This is not a book about how to build habits. 00:34:47.210 --> 00:34:49.530 Jon Gordon: This is a book of various habits that you 00:34:49.530 --> 00:34:50.970 Lisa Nichols: Different habits. 00:34:50.970 --> 00:34:51.690 Jon Gordon: Right. 00:34:51.690 --> 00:34:55.050 Jon Gordon: These habits will help you build a better life. 00:34:55.050 --> 00:34:58.170 Jon Gordon: And so as you pick some of these habits, you start doing them these 00:34:58.170 --> 00:35:00.505 Jon Gordon: habits, and you see how they they impact you. 00:35:00.505 --> 00:35:02.825 Jon Gordon: So that was one that really impacted me. 00:35:02.825 --> 00:35:06.825 Jon Gordon: And the other one was was when I learned to talk to myself instead 00:35:06.825 --> 00:35:08.505 Jon Gordon: of listen to myself. 00:35:08.505 --> 00:35:12.505 Jon Gordon: So instead of listening to all the fear, the worry, the doubt, the anxiety, 00:35:13.545 --> 00:35:17.380 Jon Gordon: I began speaking truth and words of encouragement to those lies. 00:35:17.380 --> 00:35:21.380 Jon Gordon: I call it becoming your

own greatest encourager in the book. 00:35:21.460 --> 00:35:23.780 Jon Gordon: And the more you encourage yourself Right. 00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:26.340 Jon Gordon: And you're the greatest encourager. 00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.740 Jon Gordon: You you don't need the encouragement of others. 00:35:28.740 --> 00:35:31.355 Jon Gordon: It's nice to have the encouragement, but you don't need it. 00:35:31.355 --> 00:35:35.355 Jon Gordon: You are powering yourself to overcome your challenges, and that's when you get 00:35:35.435 --> 00:35:39.435 Jon Gordon: through all the obstacles because encourage gives you 00:35:39.435 --> 00:35:41.755 Jon Gordon: courage to take on the challenge. 00:35:41.755 --> 00:35:43.355 Lisa Nichols: Mhmm. 00:35:43.355 --> 00:35:45.435 Lisa Nichols: You I know you love Jon Maxwell. 00:35:45.435 --> 00:35:46.570 Lisa Nichols: I do too. 00:35:46.570 --> 00:35:50.570 Lisa Nichols: I'll never forget Jon saying one time, encouragement 00:35:51.210 --> 00:35:54.810 Lisa Nichols: is oxygen for your soul. 00:35:54.810 --> 00:35:56.490 Jon Gordon: That's that's a great word. 00:35:56.490 --> 00:35:59.050 Lisa Nichols: Encouragement is oxygen for your soul. 00:35:59.050 --> 00:36:03.050 Lisa Nichols: And he was talking about it in terms of encouraging your 00:36:03.235 --> 00:36:04.035 Lisa Nichols: team 00:36:04.035 --> 00:36:04.275 Jon Gordon: Right. 00:36:04.275 --> 00:36:06.355 Lisa Nichols: And being an encourager to other people. 00:36:06.355 --> 00:36:10.355 Lisa Nichols: It's like you're, you know, you are infusing their soul with oxygen 00:36:10.595 --> 00:36:11.955 Lisa Nichols: when you do that. 00:36:11.955 --> 00:36:12.915 Lisa Nichols: But yeah. 00:36:12.915 --> 00:36:13.795 Lisa Nichols: You you know? 00:36:13.795 --> 00:36:17.795 Lisa Nichols: And I you've got, like, I know you write about these three habits, 00:36:18.470 --> 00:36:22.470 Lisa Nichols: the practicing unceasing gratitude, talking back to your anxious 00:36:22.550 --> 00:36:24.070 Lisa Nichols: thoughts, and you do that. 00:36:24.070 --> 00:36:27.685 Lisa Nichols: You know, if somebody's listening, they're like, what does that even look like? 00:36:27.685 --> 00:36:30.725 Lisa Nichols: Y'all because I have anxious thoughts, and I have fears all the time. 00:36:30.725 --> 00:36:32.885 Lisa Nichols: But how would I talk back to that? 00:36:32.885 --> 00:36:35.845 Lisa Nichols: And for you, you talk back with scripture. 00:36:35.845 --> 00:36:39.285 Lisa Nichols: You said you put truth in there. 00:36:39.285 --> 00:36:41.870 Lisa Nichols: But, you know, I mean, what other things? 00:36:41.870 --> 00:36:45.870 Lisa Nichols: I mean, if somebody's sitting there going, you know, yeah, I'm I 00:36:45.870 --> 00:36:48.350 Lisa Nichols: have these negative thoughts running through my head all the time. 00:36:48.350 --> 00:36:51.150 Lisa Nichols: How can I talk back to them 00:36:51.150 --> 00:36:54.510 Jon Gordon: and put up It's it's first understanding 00:36:54.510

--> 00:36:58.305 Jon Gordon: that the negative thoughts you have are not coming from you? 00:36:58.305 --> 00:36:59.905 Jon Gordon: And how do I know that? 00:36:59.905 --> 00:37:02.145 Jon Gordon: Who would ever choose to have a negative thought? 00:37:02.145 --> 00:37:03.425 Jon Gordon: You never would. 00:37:03.425 --> 00:37:03.825 Lisa Nichols: Right. 00:37:03.825 --> 00:37:07.825 Jon Gordon: The thought comes in so fast that you often believe it. 00:37:07.825 --> 00:37:09.825 Jon Gordon: You then speak it out loud. 00:37:09.825 --> 00:37:13.480 Jon Gordon: You reinforce it, and then it does become a part of you. 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.480 Jon Gordon: So you're not the thoughts you think, you're the thoughts you believe. 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.360 Jon Gordon: And you don't have the power of the first thought, but you have the 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:21.720 Jon Gordon: power of the second thought. 00:37:21.720 --> 00:37:25.720 Jon Gordon: So when that negative thought comes in, it's knowing this is not for me. 00:37:25.945 --> 00:37:27.705 Jon Gordon: I don't have to believe this thought. 00:37:27.705 --> 00:37:30.025 Jon Gordon: I don't have to agree with this thought. 00:37:30.025 --> 00:37:32.185 Jon Gordon: I don't even have to listen to this thought. 00:37:32.185 --> 00:37:36.185 Jon Gordon: But what I'm gonna do is speak words of encouragement and words 00:37:36.345 --> 00:37:38.345 Jon Gordon: of truth to that negative thought. 00:37:38.345 --> 00:37:41.750 Jon Gordon: Like, the negative thought might come in and say you don't have it today. 00:37:41.750 --> 00:37:45.670 Jon Gordon: And the positive thought that you might replace it with is, with God, all 00:37:45.670 --> 00:37:47.110 Jon Gordon: things are possible. 00:37:47.110 --> 00:37:47.510 Jon Gordon: Right? 00:37:47.510 --> 00:37:47.830 Jon Gordon: Yes. 00:37:47.830 --> 00:37:50.390 Jon Gordon: I can do all great things through Christ who gives me strength. 00:37:50.390 --> 00:37:54.390 Jon Gordon: I feel weak, but in your strength, God, I am strong. 00:37:54.645 --> 00:37:56.645 Jon Gordon: God, use me for your purpose today. 00:37:56.645 --> 00:37:57.525 Jon Gordon: Guide me. 00:37:57.525 --> 00:37:58.645 Jon Gordon: Show me the way. 00:37:58.645 --> 00:38:00.885 Jon Gordon: Whatever it may be, 00:38:00.885 --> 00:38:03.765 Jon Gordon: you use that positive thought to counter the negative thought. 00:38:03.765 --> 00:38:06.325 Jon Gordon: And sometimes for me, it might be, hey. 00:38:06.325 --> 00:38:07.770 Jon Gordon: Stop being worried. 00:38:07.770 --> 00:38:09.210 Jon Gordon: You didn't come here to be average. 00:38:09.210 --> 00:38:10.410 Jon Gordon: Just go for it. 00:38:10.410 --> 00:38:12.090 Jon Gordon: And I'll even tell myself that. 00:38:12.090 --> 00:38:14.090 Jon Gordon: Or it might be scripture, right 00:38:14.090 --> 00:38:14.490 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:38:14.490 --> 00:38:15.530 Jon Gordon: That you're saying. 00:38:15.530 --> 00:38:17.050 Jon Gordon: So

00:38:17.050 --> 00:38:18.890 Lisa Nichols: I love what you did that. 00:38:18.890 --> 00:38:19.090 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:38:19.050 --> 00:38:23.050 Jon Gordon: It depends on the situation and what you do in a practical way. 00:38:23.645 --> 00:38:24.925 Jon Gordon: I encourage people to do this. 00:38:24.925 --> 00:38:28.125 Jon Gordon: You write down your negative thoughts on a piece of paper on the left 00:38:28.125 --> 00:38:29.725 Jon Gordon: hand side of the paper. 00:38:29.725 --> 00:38:33.725 Jon Gordon: Write down those negative thoughts that often come in for you because each person 00:38:33.725 --> 00:38:34.765 Jon Gordon: has their negative thoughts. 00:38:34.765 --> 00:38:35.405 Jon Gordon: You have yours. 00:38:35.405 --> 00:38:36.765 Jon Gordon: I have mine. 00:38:36.765 --> 00:38:38.360 Jon Gordon: Each person is different. 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.120 Jon Gordon: So you write down your thoughts. 00:38:40.120 --> 00:38:44.120 Jon Gordon: Then on the right side, write down the words of encouragement that you will 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:48.200 Jon Gordon: speak to those negative thoughts whenever they come in. 00:38:48.200 --> 00:38:52.200 Jon Gordon: And as you practice doing this, you then start to become those positive 00:38:52.545 --> 00:38:56.545 Jon Gordon: thoughts because the thoughts we think and the words we say become the reality 00:38:56.865 --> 00:38:58.305 Jon Gordon: and the life that we create. 00:38:58.305 --> 00:39:00.625 Jon Gordon: As a woman thinks, she becomes. 00:39:00.625 --> 00:39:02.545 Jon Gordon: As a man thinks, he becomes. 00:39:02.545 --> 00:39:06.545 Jon Gordon: Your thoughts, your words are that powerful, so make sure you are speaking 00:39:06.820 --> 00:39:10.820 Jon Gordon: those words of life to yourself, and that's how we overcome our challenges. 00:39:11.060 --> 00:39:13.540 Jon Gordon: So that's what it looks like from a practical way. 00:39:13.540 --> 00:39:17.540 Jon Gordon: And then from a mental toughness way, it gives you resilience and strength. 00:39:17.860 --> 00:39:21.860 Jon Gordon: And from a spiritual way, you're taking the word of God and you're 00:39:21.975 --> 00:39:25.975 Jon Gordon: using it and applying it to power your life instead of 00:39:26.135 --> 00:39:30.135 Jon Gordon: the enemy's words and thoughts trying to derail you from your life. 00:39:30.295 --> 00:39:31.335 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:39:31.335 --> 00:39:32.215 Lisa Nichols: So true. 00:39:32.215 --> 00:39:33.175 Lisa Nichols: That's gold. 00:39:33.175 --> 00:39:34.010 Lisa Nichols: That's gold. 00:39:34.010 --> 00:39:37.450 Lisa Nichols: And we know for a fact that we have a real enemy 00:39:37.450 --> 00:39:38.170 Jon Gordon: Oh, yeah. 00:39:38.170 --> 00:39:40.010 Lisa Nichols: Jon, And he wants to take us out. 00:39:40.010 --> 00:39:44.010 Lisa Nichols: So recognizing that too, don't give him, you know, 00:39:44.170 --> 00:39:46.250 Lisa Nichols: too much credit, but he's there. 00:39:46.250 --> 00:39:50.025 Lisa Nichols: And, you know, he doesn't want us to become all that God intended us 00:39:50.025 --> 00:39:50.665 Lisa Nichols: to be. 00:39:50.665 --> 00:39:53.385 Jon Gordon: And if people I'm thinking of the person that says, do we really have 00:39:53.385 --> 00:39:54.025 Jon Gordon: an enemy? 00:39:54.025 --> 00:39:58.025 Jon Gordon: And for for that person, just look around 00:39:58.025 --> 00:40:00.345 Jon Gordon: the world and look at the evil. 00:40:00.345 --> 00:40:04.345 Jon Gordon: Look at the sex trafficking that happens 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.800 Jon Gordon: with evil people doing this, and they're literally trying to steal and 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.280 Jon Gordon: destroy kids' lives. 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:15.280 Jon Gordon: Look at the abuse that happens with with kids from adults 00:40:15.520 --> 00:40:17.440 Jon Gordon: and sometimes trusted loved ones. 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:20.985 Jon Gordon: There's an abuse that happens, an evil that happens. 00:40:20.985 --> 00:40:24.985 Jon Gordon: And you can look and you could say, well, yeah, those people are bad. 00:40:25.145 --> 00:40:29.145 Jon Gordon: But within those people, there's an evil that is 00:40:29.225 --> 00:40:33.225 Jon Gordon: forcing them to do those bad things, that is leading them to do 00:40:33.305 --> 00:40:34.760 Jon Gordon: those bad things. 00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.480 Jon Gordon: And so you could just see that evil everywhere. 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:41.000 Jon Gordon: You can also see it when you're just sitting there idle. 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.720 Jon Gordon: I don't know about you, Lisa, but I had a time when I was 00:40:43.720 --> 00:40:47.720 Jon Gordon: sitting there idle, not doing anything, and a thought popped in and said, 00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.905 Jon Gordon: you should kill yourself. 00:40:50.905 --> 00:40:54.425 Jon Gordon: It literally popped into my head, and I would never choose a thought like 00:40:54.425 --> 00:40:54.625 Jon Gordon: that. 00:40:54.585 --> 00:40:57.705 Jon Gordon: And I knew that did not come from me. 00:40:57.705 --> 00:40:58.985 Jon Gordon: There's no way I would say it. 00:40:58.985 --> 00:41:00.025 Jon Gordon: It was like, what? 00:41:00.025 --> 00:41:01.545 Jon Gordon: And I literally was like, what? 00:41:01.545 --> 00:41:05.545 Jon Gordon: Now imagine you don't know what I know, and you think that thought is 00:41:05.780 --> 00:41:08.820 Jon Gordon: from you, and then you give it powering suggestion. 00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:10.660 Jon Gordon: Or the thought that says, yeah. 00:41:10.660 --> 00:41:11.780 Jon Gordon: You're not gonna make it. 00:41:11.780 --> 00:41:13.140 Jon Gordon: You should give up. 00:41:13.140 --> 00:41:14.740 Jon Gordon: It's hopeless. 00:41:14.740 --> 00:41:16.420 Jon Gordon: Would you choose that thought initially? 00:41:16.420 --> 00:41:16.660 Jon Gordon: No. 00:41:16.660 --> 00:41:17.380 Jon Gordon: But it comes in. 00:41:17.380 --> 00:41:21.380 Jon Gordon: And I remember being on

stage once couple years 00:41:21.435 --> 00:41:25.435 Jon Gordon: ago, big old crowd, and I look out there, and literally, a thought popped 00:41:25.515 --> 00:41:29.515 Jon Gordon: in my head that said, remember that woman from a few months ago that 00:41:29.515 --> 00:41:33.515 Jon Gordon: didn't like your talk? 00:41:33.670 --> 00:41:37.670 Jon Gordon: Why would I be thinking about a talk a few months ago that didn't 00:41:37.750 --> 00:41:38.230 Jon Gordon: like it? 00:41:38.230 --> 00:41:42.070 Jon Gordon: And it popped in, and it came at the worst possible time as I'm 00:41:42.070 --> 00:41:45.735 Jon Gordon: on stage trying to break me of my confidence and my flow. 00:41:45.735 --> 00:41:46.455 Jon Gordon: And I saw it. 00:41:46.455 --> 00:41:48.695 Jon Gordon: I'm like, woah. 00:41:48.695 --> 00:41:52.695 Jon Gordon: And here's even here's even, proof of this that in a 00:41:52.855 --> 00:41:55.575 Jon Gordon: fun, but, you know, you know, maybe not a fun way. 00:41:55.575 --> 00:41:56.055 Jon Gordon: I don't know. 00:41:56.055 --> 00:41:57.735 Jon Gordon: I think it's funny. 00:41:57.735 --> 00:42:01.130 Jon Gordon: My son said to me one time, he goes, dad, isn't it weird how 00:42:01.130 --> 00:42:05.130 Jon Gordon: when you're single, he's like, the devil's always trying to get you to have 00:42:05.210 --> 00:42:07.850 Jon Gordon: sex, when you're single and not married. 00:42:07.850 --> 00:42:11.450 Jon Gordon: And then once you get married, the devil tries to keep you from half 00:42:11.450 --> 00:42:14.045 Jon Gordon: accepting your marriage. 00:42:14.045 --> 00:42:17.325 Jon Gordon: And every married couple will will understand and laugh at that. 00:42:17.325 --> 00:42:18.125 Jon Gordon: Yes. 00:42:18.125 --> 00:42:18.445 Jon Gordon: Yes. 00:42:18.445 --> 00:42:19.005 Jon Gordon: So true. 00:42:19.005 --> 00:42:20.365 Jon Gordon: And I I I heard that. 00:42:20.365 --> 00:42:22.685 Jon Gordon: My sons I go, how do you know these things, by the way? 00:42:22.685 --> 00:42:23.645 Jon Gordon: One one. 00:42:23.645 --> 00:42:27.645 Jon Gordon: And two, it shows you the devil is so subversive 00:42:27.885 --> 00:42:31.330 Jon Gordon: that that's actually what happens, and it's crazy. 00:42:31.330 --> 00:42:35.170 Jon Gordon: You know, when you shouldn't be, it's trying to force you to to to 00:42:35.170 --> 00:42:38.770 Jon Gordon: to to hurt your soul, to sin, to sabotage. 00:42:38.770 --> 00:42:42.050 Jon Gordon: When you're married, when it's okay, when you when it should be a beautiful 00:42:42.050 --> 00:42:45.995 Jon Gordon: thing, it's keeping you from it, and so you don't have the connection and 00:42:45.995 --> 00:42:49.275 Jon Gordon: the love that you're really looking for to keep your relationship strong. 00:42:49.275 --> 00:42:51.995 Jon Gordon: It's always trying to divide you and your relationship. 00:42:51.995 --> 00:42:54.715 Jon Gordon: It's so clear that there's evil and there's an enemy 00:42:54.715 --> 00:42:55.035 Lisa Nichols: Yes. 00:42:55.035 --> 00:42:59.035 Jon Gordon: That tries to keep you from yourself, from others, and 00:42:59.260 --> 00:43:00.700 Jon Gordon: spiritually from God. 00:43:00.700 --> 00:43:02.220 Jon Gordon: And that's what I wrote about the one truth. 00:43:02.220 --> 00:43:02.420 Jon Gordon: Right? 00:43:02.380 --> 00:43:05.420 Jon Gordon: There's this force trying to divide you, but there's a god always trying to 00:43:05.420 --> 00:43:07.420 Jon Gordon: unite you back to himself. 00:43:07.420 --> 00:43:07.980 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:09.100 Lisa Nichols: That's so good. 00:43:09.100 --> 00:43:12.815 Lisa Nichols: I love that that your that your son 00:43:12.815 --> 00:43:15.695 Lisa Nichols: used that, because it's so true. 00:43:15.695 --> 00:43:18.735 Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness. 00:43:18.735 --> 00:43:20.015 Jon Gordon: Gosh. 00:43:20.015 --> 00:43:22.655 Jon Gordon: I've got some like, where do I go from here? 00:43:22.655 --> 00:43:23.215 Lisa Nichols: I know. 00:43:23.215 --> 00:43:26.630 Lisa Nichols: Where do I go from here? 00:43:26.630 --> 00:43:27.270 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:43:27.270 --> 00:43:29.350 Lisa Nichols: I'm I'm just gonna let me do this. 00:43:29.350 --> 00:43:31.990 Lisa Nichols: I'm gonna do a little quick little lightning round with you. 00:43:31.990 --> 00:43:35.990 Lisa Nichols: Just a little fun lightning round. 00:43:36.070 --> 00:43:39.615 Lisa Nichols: Which which of your books was the hardest to write? 00:43:39.615 --> 00:43:40.335 Jon Gordon: The Carpenter. 00:43:40.335 --> 00:43:43.775 Jon Gordon: I had writer's block, and I couldn't write the book. 00:43:43.775 --> 00:43:47.775 Jon Gordon: And I had never really had writer's block and only when I first 00:43:47.935 --> 00:43:48.415 Jon Gordon: started. 00:43:48.415 --> 00:43:48.655 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:43:48.655 --> 00:43:50.575 Jon Gordon: And after that, all the books were flowing. 00:43:50.575 --> 00:43:53.250 Jon Gordon: And then I'm like, 00:43:53.250 --> 00:43:54.850 Jon Gordon: the thoughts came in. 00:43:54.850 --> 00:43:56.770 Jon Gordon: Your best work was behind you. 00:43:56.770 --> 00:44:00.530 Jon Gordon: People are gonna think you're this new book is a piece of junk. 00:44:00.530 --> 00:44:00.850 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:44:00.850 --> 00:44:01.970 Jon Gordon: Energy bus is great. 00:44:01.970 --> 00:44:03.490 Jon Gordon: Training camp was great. 00:44:03.490 --> 00:44:05.730 Jon Gordon: People love those, but they're gonna say over. 00:44:05.730 --> 00:44:05.970 Jon Gordon: Yeah. 00:44:05.970 --> 00:44:06.765 Jon Gordon: You're you're done. 00:44:06.765 --> 00:44:08.045 Jon Gordon: You can't do this anymore. 00:44:08.045 --> 00:44:08.365 Jon Gordon: Wow. 00:44:08.365 --> 00:44:09.965 Jon Gordon: And those thoughts were coming in. 00:44:09.965 --> 00:44:13.965 Jon Gordon: And I woke up one morning, and this is my best advice to people. 00:44:14.285 --> 00:44:18.285 Jon Gordon: I woke up with the thought, it was

straight from God, love 00:44:18.365 --> 00:44:20.560 Jon Gordon: casts out fear. 00:44:20.560 --> 00:44:23.360 Jon Gordon: Don't worry about the outcome. 00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:26.240 Jon Gordon: Just love writing. 00:44:26.240 --> 00:44:28.320 Jon Gordon: Love the reader. 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.760 Jon Gordon: Love the process, and you'll love what the process produces. 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.175 Jon Gordon: I wrote that down, and it became a huge part of the book and 00:44:35.175 --> 00:44:37.415 Jon Gordon: part of my teaching ever since. 00:44:37.415 --> 00:44:41.335 Jon Gordon: So for those struggling with fear of messing up, of making a mistake, of 00:44:41.335 --> 00:44:45.335 Jon Gordon: not performing well, if you have kids that are athletes and they're struggling 00:44:45.655 --> 00:44:49.655 Jon Gordon: and they have, you know, goals and they have things they wanna 00:44:49.670 --> 00:44:53.670 Jon Gordon: achieve, but they're perfectionists and they're angry when they don't play well or perform 00:44:54.070 --> 00:44:58.070 Jon Gordon: well, and it's affecting their performance and their happiness, 00:44:58.070 --> 00:45:00.710 Jon Gordon: just remind them, love casts out fear. 00:45:00.710 --> 00:45:04.710 Jon Gordon: Focus on the love of it, and you won't fear it because love 00:45:04.865 --> 00:45:06.545 Jon Gordon: is more powerful than fear. 00:45:06.545 --> 00:45:09.585 Jon Gordon: And I did that, and I wrote the book in two and a half 00:45:09.585 --> 00:45:11.105 Jon Gordon: weeks after that. 00:45:11.105 --> 00:45:12.305 Lisa Nichols: Wow. 00:45:12.305 --> 00:45:13.585 Lisa Nichols: That's remarkable. 00:45:13.585 --> 00:45:15.930 Lisa Nichols: That's that's right from the heart of God. 00:45:15.930 --> 00:45:17.810 Lisa Nichols: That was a word right from the heart 00:45:17.810 --> 00:45:19.050 Jon Gordon: of God. 00:45:19.050 --> 00:45:21.210 Lisa Nichols: So, 00:45:21.210 --> 00:45:23.930 Lisa Nichols: do you have a favorite Bible verse, 00:45:23.930 --> 00:45:24.650 Lisa Nichols: Jon? 00:45:24.650 --> 00:45:26.570 Jon Gordon: Romans eight five six. 00:45:26.570 --> 00:45:29.795 Jon Gordon: A mind governed by the flesh leads to death. 00:45:29.795 --> 00:45:33.235 Jon Gordon: A mind governed by the spirit leads to life and peace. 00:45:33.235 --> 00:45:35.875 Jon Gordon: That's ultimately the choice we all have. 00:45:35.875 --> 00:45:37.155 Jon Gordon: I think it all comes down to that. 00:45:37.155 --> 00:45:38.115 Jon Gordon: What am I choosing? 00:45:38.115 --> 00:45:41.075 Jon Gordon: To live according to the flesh or the spirit? 00:45:41.075 --> 00:45:44.970 Jon Gordon: To the greed of this world, to the demands of this world, or to 00:45:44.970 --> 00:45:48.970 Jon Gordon: the spirit of God, spending time in prayer, allowing that prayer 00:45:48.970 --> 00:45:52.970 Jon Gordon: to renew me, recharge me, to transform me, 00:45:53.050 --> 00:45:57.050 Jon Gordon: to restore me, to give me faith and confidence and belief and 00:45:57.130 --> 00:45:58.650 Jon Gordon: power and hope. 00:45:58.650 --> 00:45:59.905 Jon Gordon: What are you gonna choose? 00:45:59.905 --> 00:46:01.345 Jon Gordon: The flesh or the spirit? 00:46:01.345 --> 00:46:04.865 Jon Gordon: Too often, we choose the flesh, and that's why we feel like we are 00:46:04.865 --> 00:46:05.825 Jon Gordon: facing destruction. 00:46:05.825 --> 00:46:09.825 Jon Gordon: But the minute we choose faith, we start to experience life. 00:46:10.545 --> 00:46:13.905 Lisa Nichols: That's that's a great place to end there. 00:46:13.905 --> 00:46:15.185 Lisa Nichols: It's a great place to end. 00:46:15.185 --> 00:46:17.240 Lisa Nichols: I can't I can't top that. 00:46:17.240 --> 00:46:20.760 Lisa Nichols: Well, let me ask you this. 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:24.200 Lisa Nichols: You know, this is called something extra. 00:46:24.200 --> 00:46:27.320 Lisa Nichols: And I know it's not just one something extra, Jon. 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.135 Lisa Nichols: That's an unfair question, really. 00:46:30.135 --> 00:46:32.215 Lisa Nichols: But what do you believe is this something extra? 00:46:32.215 --> 00:46:36.055 Lisa Nichols: I'll give you a couple that every leader needs. 00:46:36.055 --> 00:46:40.055 Jon Gordon: Every leader needs and needs to give more love. 00:46:40.535 --> 00:46:41.975 Jon Gordon: You know, more love. 00:46:41.975 --> 00:46:45.975 Jon Gordon: We all need more love, and we need to give more 00:46:46.190 --> 00:46:46.390 Jon Gordon: love. 00:46:46.350 --> 00:46:49.870 Jon Gordon: Going back to the carpenter, love, serve, and care. 00:46:49.870 --> 00:46:52.110 Jon Gordon: Like, love your people. 00:46:52.110 --> 00:46:54.510 Jon Gordon: Love the work that you get to do. 00:46:54.510 --> 00:46:58.205 Jon Gordon: Let them know you truly care about them. 00:46:58.205 --> 00:47:02.205 Jon Gordon: I I think about my grandmother who made the most amazing soup. 00:47:02.765 --> 00:47:06.765 Jon Gordon: And after she passed on, other people tried to make the same recipe, 00:47:07.565 --> 00:47:10.330 Jon Gordon: but it never came out the same. 00:47:10.330 --> 00:47:13.130 Jon Gordon: And I'm convinced it was her love that made the difference. 00:47:13.130 --> 00:47:13.530 Jon Gordon: Oh. 00:47:13.530 --> 00:47:17.530 Jon Gordon: The the phenomenon where certain restaurants and 00:47:18.090 --> 00:47:22.090 Jon Gordon: could have the same same, ingredient, the same recipe, the 00:47:22.170 --> 00:47:26.170 Jon Gordon: same dish, everything, but have different people make it, 00:47:26.325 --> 00:47:29.045 Jon Gordon: and it still comes out a little different. 00:47:29.045 --> 00:47:31.925 Jon Gordon: We can't separate the soup from the soup maker. 00:47:31.925 --> 00:47:35.925 Jon Gordon: We can't separate the meal from who's making the meal, and you can't separate 00:47:36.405 --> 00:47:40.360 Jon Gordon: the family and the team from the leader and the leader's love. 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.480 Jon

Gordon: Your love is gonna make the difference, and the love you put into it 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:45.800 Jon Gordon: determines the quality of it. 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.800 Jon Gordon: What stories do you want them to tell about you? 00:47:50.855 --> 00:47:54.055 Jon Gordon: And when you love your team, those stories are gonna be wonderful. 00:47:54.055 --> 00:47:56.215 Jon Gordon: Look at the stories I'm telling about Ken Blanchard. 00:47:56.215 --> 00:48:00.215 Jon Gordon: Like, I genuinely felt his love for me, and so 00:48:00.215 --> 00:48:01.815 Jon Gordon: his love made all the difference. 00:48:01.815 --> 00:48:04.855 Jon Gordon: My grandmother, I felt her love. 00:48:04.855 --> 00:48:08.190 Jon Gordon: Well, what stories are your team gonna tell about you? 00:48:08.190 --> 00:48:11.950 Jon Gordon: Did you love them and did they feel your love, or were you always 00:48:11.950 --> 00:48:15.950 Jon Gordon: pushing them, challenging them, and grinding them, 00:48:16.350 --> 00:48:18.030 Jon Gordon: but not feeling the love? 00:48:18.030 --> 00:48:18.430 Jon Gordon: Mhmm. 00:48:18.430 --> 00:48:20.825 Jon Gordon: I call it love tough. 00:48:20.825 --> 00:48:22.505 Jon Gordon: You gotta be tough, so let's get real. 00:48:22.505 --> 00:48:23.625 Jon Gordon: You gotta challenge Yeah. 00:48:23.625 --> 00:48:24.665 Lisa Nichols: You've gotta accountability. 00:48:24.665 --> 00:48:25.945 Lisa Nichols: You gotta have accountability. 00:48:25.945 --> 00:48:26.745 Jon Gordon: You gotta have accountability. 00:48:26.745 --> 00:48:28.585 Jon Gordon: But accountability 00:48:28.585 --> 00:48:32.185 Jon Gordon: when it's a part of love means because I love you, I'm 00:48:32.185 --> 00:48:32.985 Lisa Nichols: not gonna let 00:48:32.985 --> 00:48:35.140 Jon Gordon: you settle for anything but your best. 00:48:35.140 --> 00:48:38.100 Jon Gordon: So I'm gonna love you, but I'm gonna challenge you because I see more 00:48:38.100 --> 00:48:40.980 Jon Gordon: in you, and I know you can achieve more than you are. 00:48:40.980 --> 00:48:42.660 Jon Gordon: I can know you can do more than you are. 00:48:42.660 --> 00:48:44.340 Jon Gordon: You're not living up to your potential. 00:48:44.340 --> 00:48:46.825 Jon Gordon: So because I love you, I'm gonna push you. 00:48:46.825 --> 00:48:50.265 Jon Gordon: But it is done from a place truly of love, and they know you 00:48:50.265 --> 00:48:51.065 Jon Gordon: love them. 00:48:51.065 --> 00:48:54.105 Jon Gordon: So now you earn the right to challenge them. 00:48:54.105 --> 00:48:55.065 Lisa Nichols: That's so good. 00:48:55.065 --> 00:48:56.185 Lisa Nichols: That's beautiful. 00:48:56.185 --> 00:48:56.825 Lisa Nichols: Beautiful. 00:48:56.825 --> 00:49:00.825 Lisa Nichols: We'll do another podcast on this because you you're speaking my language 00:49:00.940 --> 00:49:01.820 Lisa Nichols: Let's go, Lisa. 00:49:01.820 --> 00:49:04.060 Lisa Nichols: About about love about love. 00:49:04.060 --> 00:49:07.020 Lisa Nichols: I always say people feel you before they can hear you. 00:49:07.020 --> 00:49:07.660 Jon Gordon: That's good. 00:49:07.660 --> 00:49:08.220 Jon Gordon: I love it. 00:49:08.220 --> 00:49:09.420 Lisa Nichols: They feel you. 00:49:09.420 --> 00:49:10.220 Lisa Nichols: They do. 00:49:10.220 --> 00:49:12.940 Lisa Nichols: They feel how you communicate to them. 00:49:12.940 --> 00:49:14.325 Lisa Nichols: And, oh my goodness, Jon. 00:49:14.325 --> 00:49:17.925 Lisa Nichols: We could just keep talking and talking, but we do need to wrap it 00:49:17.925 --> 00:49:18.645 Lisa Nichols: up here. 00:49:18.645 --> 00:49:22.645 Lisa Nichols: I appreciate you coming on the show so incredibly much. 00:49:23.045 --> 00:49:27.045 Lisa Nichols: You are my four hundredth guest, and, I just know that our 00:49:27.045 --> 00:49:29.390 Lisa Nichols: listeners are gonna benefit from learning from you. 00:49:29.390 --> 00:49:31.630 Lisa Nichols: So thank you so much for your time. 00:49:31.630 --> 00:49:33.150 Lisa Nichols: Thank you for who you are. 00:49:33.150 --> 00:49:34.270 Lisa Nichols: Keep writing. 00:49:34.270 --> 00:49:35.150 Jon Gordon: Thanks for having me. 00:49:35.150 --> 00:49:37.790 Jon Gordon: Hopefully, we don't wait for another four hundred to do it again till we 00:49:37.790 --> 00:49:38.030 Jon Gordon: take 00:49:38.030 --> 00:49:39.230 Lisa Nichols: it to right. 00:49:39.230 --> 00:49:43.230 Lisa Nichols: Well, I know I'm gonna see you at the annual, CEO forum, and 00:49:43.230 --> 00:49:47.230 Lisa Nichols: maybe I might see you, at another event here soon too. 00:49:47.415 --> 00:49:49.095 Lisa Nichols: So you take care, my friend. 00:49:49.095 --> 00:49:50.935 Lisa Nichols: Have a great rest of the day. 00:49:50.935 --> 00:49:51.975 Jon Gordon: God bless you. 00:49:51.975 --> 00:49:52.375 Lisa Nichols: Yeah. 00:49:52.375 --> 00:49:54.295 Lisa Nichols: God bless you. 00:49:54.295 --> 00:49:58.295 Announcer: Something extra with Lisa Nichols is a Technology Partners production. 00:49:58.295 --> 00:50:00.120 Announcer: Copyright Technology Partners Inc. 00:50:00.120 --> 00:50:01.480 Announcer: Twenty nineteen. 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:05.400 Announcer: To learn more about this week's guest, check out the show notes at tpi 00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:07.640 Announcer: dot co slash podcast. 00:50:07.640 --> 00:50:10.920 Announcer: If you enjoyed this episode, consider leaving us a review. 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:12.920 Announcer: Thank you for listening to Something Extra.