บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Drunk Before the Turn — Inside Atlanta's Most Competitive Golf Group

call. You could work on any part of your game. You want to bring in beers and stuff, you gotta rent the whole place out. We want the serious golfer. So when he said that and I saw all the weights and the and and the gym and everything, I was like, Okay, it makes sense. I like it. Yeah. Because it includes the gym membership and all that, and you go twenty four by seven, you can bring in friends like your guests. Yep. I think it's not a bad thing at all. Right. If there was one close, I would definitely consider joining it for at least a year to give it a chance and See where I could get my game. I started working out again myself. I got inspired yesterday because my my buddy's now I don't know what he's been doing, but man, we used to be kinda neck and neck and now he's about thirty yards ahead of me. And I'm like, Jesus. I don't know if he I guess he's been working out or I've stopped working out as much. So I I gotta get back on it. Well, I hear you. I feel and I'm not really doing anything. I don't know what's going on, but I'm really getting my drives. I did a two hundred and fifty yard drive yesterday. That's the longest I've ever Driven the ball straight down the middle. And and and I want all the people to know I we're gonna have our first golf tournament coming up pretty quick. It's gonna be in November. So and it's gonna be at Dos Osos. I wanna see what people we can grab from the podcast that would like to come down and play. I think it'll be great. It'll be ninety-five if you are a non-JC member, and it'll be eighty-five dollars if you're a member. And it comes with free lunch. We'll have a closest to the pin, longest drive, and a putting contest. So I'm looking for sponsors. $50, whole sponsors, $600 for a title sponsorship. You'll get four players with that title sponsor. I can have a couple title sponsors, totally fine. And we're gonna give away balls, hats, barbecue sauce, t-shirts. Yeah, I'm excited about it, man. It'll be our first golf happy slash sick sick golf trips tournament. Should be fun. How's the game? Game going good still? It wasn't too bad. I really need to hone in on my hundred yards and then. My drives are pretty good and then I'm really happy with my club selection right now. I got a new three wood PXG three wood. I've got a five wood PXG and I could really hit those off the deck pretty good. I can hit those off the deck a couple hundred yards. And now my driver it's like two twenty five to two fifty now. Yeah, but you can't be losing balls. If you're losing balls, that's think of how many strokes that is. That's definitely seven balls, that's seven strokes right there. Well, we played a scramble, so You're you're like you're playing a scramble, so basically every time I was hitting I was trying to freaking put it through the moon, you know what mean? Yeah. Cause I cause we had a couple long drivers, a couple guys could that could hit it long. And so when you get up there, they're just like, hey, go for it. You know what I mean? Like just freaking just swing away. Losing balls with my slice going on. So after the third or fourth hole, I started to correct that a little bit. And then I pulled out my three wood. And then I was just trying to get consistent with that 'cause I'm like, okay, if I'm gonna be trying to go deep with my driver, and I know I'm kinda slicing it and I'm losing balls, I'm like, okay, let me practice off the deck with my three wood. And I was getting like two hundred yards on it straight. You know what I mean? Did you do a session with Ray, the T P. I that whole thing? No no, I have no I haven't. I I was I thought maybe me and you could go down there together and do it. Yeah, I haven't I haven't done that. He kinda showed me around it. And did a couple little things and so it was cool. You know, the one thing that I learned when I was up in Vegas, the guy really tried changing my grip. And what Ray said to me w really kind of honed in on me. He's like, We're not necessarily gonna try to change your grip, we're gonna kinda work with what you got. Just be comfortable in your grip and then we could we can work around that and we can try to figure all that out. He goes a lot of times guys are gonna wanna change your grip and messes with things. Maybe you try to do it on you try to do it when you're when you're on Obviously practicing and then you do it in the i it just makes you c think too much. I saw some of the pros that have their thumb all jacked up in in weird places. To me it's not about changing grip because that is a big change, but I focus on the grip a lot. That's most of the time pre shot. I'm trying to figure out the alignment of my grip because when you grip, it closes the club face. When you grip hard, sorry, it closes the club face. So you have to understand how hard you're gonna come down and make that adjustment so that when that Club face comes down, it matches where you're aligned. It's the alignment on the grip at the end of day, I find. Does that make sense? You you're turning it like this, the club in your hand, to see, and that's is turning the club face. Yeah, I probably I would probably have to get on the range to try to figure that out because I don't even think about that. You know what I mean? I really don't. This is what I'm gaming these days, boys. It's the Legato LTX 3085 golf ball. It's a three-piece urethane design, like all the top golf balls have, but at the everyday man price. It gives a soft field, low spin on long drives, high spin on the irons, and the wedge game. I'm shooting about a six index these days and going lower, and the Logato golf ball has been fantastic. They also make these amazing gloves. Real cabretto leather. Give it a shot. Check out on Amazon.com. Jason, how's it going? What's going on, guys? Hey Berkeley. Yeah, how you doing? Not too bad, not too bad. How you guys doing today? Doing well. Love the outlook. You match the background and everything. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I'm I'm just

in my office. that's right. Very cool. Jason, where are you at for the audience? Where are you at? I I'm in the Atlanta, Georgia area. So just a little south of the city. Hotlanta. Huh? Is it is it Hotlanta right now? Definitely. Whoa? Sunday we you know we played around and it was you know we started the day off at sixty and ended at around eighty. And Geor Georgia at this time it's very abnormal, so Okay. Do you get bugs out there when you play this time? Yeah, we get we get a lot of bugs. The Joro spiders came back. you know, we had a little frost at the beginning of the year. So I don't know if you you heard, we we were invaded by this I think Asia series of spiders called the Joro spider. They get like the size of the palm of your hand. And they like making big webs between the trees. So in Georgia, you shank one off into the woods, you're you're you get to go battle the spiders and then you avoid the spiders, then you gotta worry about the snakes. But d all those webs do at they at least take away the biting bugs? They do. So I I will say the the benefit to those giant spiders is we don't see the other bugs, like mosquitoes and all that. We don't see them, right? They're they pretty much take care of everything. And they're not poisonous to us, but They are annoying and they're massive and they make webs that are like they'll make webs in between cars, right? They survive I mean, I think they can survive a nuclear blast. Those things you can't you can't take those webs down with just wind or anything. Well, all I gotta say is one thing is I hope the Atlanta golf officials don't see this podcast because no one's gonna come to Atlanta to wanna golf if you gotta be dealing with freaking spiders that are this big. You know what I mean? What's up with that? That's crazy. Just I I g I g I gotta I gotta warn you and th this was this was recent, so I've only been down here in Atlanta for about about four years now. But, you know, they're they're not that big of a deal. And and I love it down here. I I moved from the Detroit area where you know you can only golf from maybe end of April to you know, October thirty first and then that's it. So now that I'm down here and I can golf Eleven months a year. So is that what it is? Which which is the month you can't? February or January or or what? Use i middle January up until February fifteenth. It gets a little too cold, but you know, for somebody like me coming from Michigan, I just put one of those golf cart covers on my cart, put a little heater in there, and I I'll still play. So for me, I'll play all year long. Yeah, that that's also so Jason, how did you meet Carrie? What so t wh what's your podcast and and how's your handicap? How much do you golf? You know, what nationality? I can't figure you out. So I my my background, I'm Dominican, but was born and raised just outside of Detroit, Michigan. Lived there my whole life. And like I said, about four about four years ago moved down here. And, you know, I met Carrie. One, I was I was the previous host of a podcast called The Blind Spot, which has ended in its current form, and we're gonna we're gonna migrate that to something else here in the future. And the blind spot was A cybersecurity podcast focused on the the gap between executive management and the technical people, right? 'Cause there's always some sort of gap in between explaining something very technical to the executive team and then to your board and things like that. So I thought the podcast was a great opportunity to bridge that gap. And I think we had seven or eight episodes. It was it was a new podcast and you know the streams per day just kept increasing. So I know there's a need for it, we're probably gonna I'll relaunch it at some point under my new brand, which I call Execution Theory. So if you wanna check that out, you can go to executiontheory.com, which is where I will start to break down cybersecurity, AI, leadership and and framework topics in in today's world, right, with with AI. So Okay. Yeah, I I bet Carrie I think Carrie was just randomly through LinkedIn. I think you saw I had went golfing with some leaders from General Catalyst and Rapid Seven. Yeah. Out at Black Hat, which was a a cybersecurity conference out there. so hundred and fifteen degrees, there's like ten of us that were golfing at the wind, in front of the sphere back in August. So that was fun, you know. So th that that's the that's the trip we're gonna focus on here, but just to add color to that, Bert. So I'm trying to Combine. I always try to do you know two birds with one stone type of thing. So I'm trying to combine golf with cybersecurity. So I created the Cybersecurity Professionals Golf Association. And I'm hoping Jason will will help me out as we go to these conferences and whatnot. You meet people, you golf, and you just talk business, you golf. I mean, why not, right? Hey, hey, hey, you guys, that's that's the whole story of why we live in the best country in the world, man. You you you wake up in the morning, you got a dream, you just do it. You know what I mean? Just do it. Don't let anybody stand in your way. And if you're a good person and you're bringing you're bringing something that's great for the community, for the people, you see a niche, go for it, man. That's that's the greatest thing. So yeah, Carrie, you should be something like the king is doing that. You know what I mean? People gotta eat. I bring my barbecue in there, and then I start my golf happy company. Then Carrie comes up with this thing, and next thing you know, we're meeting great people all over the country, man. So that's that's awesome. Good good stuff. You you you avoided the main question I asked you, and what the main deal. Of this this podcast is what is your damn handy? Because Gary did tell me a little bit that you're like in the 20s. So I was like, damn man, this guy's brutal. What what's up? Where are you at? I'm I'm not in the 20s anymore. I'm I'm

sitting around a 16. All right, all right, that's exactly what we are. I'm sitting around a 16. you know, my my golf group here in Atlanta. They'll tell you if I take my driver out, then I'm closer to a twenty. If I leave my driver in the bag, I'm probably around a fourteen. So that that's how it works for me right now. That's such a f that's such a frustrating stage of golf because the driver is the most fun club, right? But you know, you want to score well, so it's like, you're so conflicted. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, d that's so true. Yeah, and we I I typically play at least once a week. you know, my my home course is Cherokee Run in Conyers, Georgia. And They have a great practice facility out there. So I try to practice, you know, once or twice a week. And yeah, I was in the upper 20s, right? And what ended up happening is I was recovering from a neck injury. I was working for Deloitte in New York about eight years ago. And I got into a pretty bad car accident and lost a lot of mobility in my back and my neck. So I've spent the last near decade just trying to get you know that mobility back. And some of it's permanent, so I've had to readjust my swing and like I cut I come a little flatter. like on my takeaway, so you know I kind of have to get this, you know, John Ron type of shallowing with the with a lower backswing. But you know it's working because at the end of the day it's just about shallowing right before you hit. So so that's where I'm at. So yeah, I I'm I float between a fourteen and a nineteen depending on what club is in my hand that day. But I've learned to leave the driver we're about the same. Yeah, we're we we're about the same. So that's good. That's that's cool. I I I I I'll take your money. No problem. Hey we we have we have big bets. You know, that's it's funny 'cause so I I had a golf group in Detroit, right? So a and how I even got involved in the golf is is hilarious. I I was looking for an electrician in my area back in Detroit and I I hired a guy, he came over and he was working in my garage hooking up an irrigation system and He sees my my Harley, he sees my golf clubs, and then I had a scope, like a a rifle scope, because I like to do a little trophy shoot in my spare time. And he's like, hey, I have a golf group, you know, if you wanna join us, right? And just like that, some complete stranger who's in my house doing work for me some other way. Now I'm golfing with him. And four years later, the Detroit group ends up linking up with this Arizona group called Desert Mashee. And every year we go to their tournament in May. It's like A hundred plus people over three days. So so that's pretty crazy, right? Like I through some random, you know, thumbtack type of thing, not often with guys in Detroit. We're flying all over the country. I've I've been to Mexico playing with these guys. I've been to Dubai. Now we play this annual tournament in Arizona. And then I I moved down here to Atlanta. I don't know anybody. I'm like, alright. Well, I go to Facebook and I join this like Atlanta golfers group and I just put a post like hey I I I I like to golf. I'm pretty terrible at it, but you know, who wants to invite me out? And I get invited to this group called DVT, which stands for drunk before the turn. And I I love these guys, right? You they they're they're they're serious but not serious at the same time, and it's it's very strange. you we we go out, we play every week, it's very competitive. We'll we we play gross and net, we do something called the bankhead cup where you get points every single week. you win a bunch of money at the end of the season. And I actually won it my first year. Because I had started in the upper 20s, but I was, you know, taking lessons and improving my mobility. So I went from a 28 handicapped to a 19 in a single season. So when you're playing you know handicapped golf, well I won. There's some challenges to that. But yeah. So yeah dbtgolf.com is the local Atlanta. Essentially we have a WhatsApp group. There's like two or three leaders in the group that will select the golf course that we're playing. At. So, for example, this morning we're playing at Oak Mountain on Saturday. we usually get about seven to eight tea times, first come, first serve. You through Cash App, Zell, whatever, we send your skins money in. We have a birdie pot, all of that. So Saturday we show up, we use 18 birdies to keep track of the tournament and the shots and everything, and the the top five people get bank head cut points for the whole season. We play other groups, we do something we call majors where we'll play other Atlanta-based groups for like double. Points. So it's it's a lot of fun. And then yeah, we play once a week officially with the group and then you develop friendships and whatnot and we end up golfing randomly with each other, you know, throughout the rest of the week. So Yeah. Nice. I love it. Yeah. And then are you having your own side games with it? And and it's you're and you're accumulating points throughout the season every is that you go into? Yeah, yeah, the the points are cruel throughout the whole season. So right now the season ends the last week of October, so we're we're getting down to crunch time and I I missed getting my points on Sunday. I played an absolute like phenomenal round, but apparently so did everyone else. And you know, that's that's just that's just the way it goes, right? Yeah and then there there's individuals in that group that like there's one guy I play, I bet him $20 a hole, right? And I've been doing that since the beginning of the of the year. Big money. Big money. Yeah, he's like a four-year handicap. So if and we and we play straight up, no, no handicap. So I have to beat him straight up. And to tell you how my games improved, we perfectly split on Sunday, right? We I ended up one hole ahead on the front nine, he was one hole ahead on the back, and then we we tied a perfect four at the end, so we

there was no no payment on that. But well here Jason, yeah. So here Jason, this is what I think or how the money doesn't get too crazy. But are you just you're just going hole to hole, right? So it doesn't matter if if the guy gets a twelve and you get an eight, he wins. Correct. Okay. Because the way we do it somebody straight up, right? There's some people You know, with with the handicap, right? And then, you know, that that's a little different. So if I'm playing a guy who has a five handicap, like there's there's a guy in a group that he's he's a six handicap, I I bet him as well. But instead of per hole, we bet front, back, and totals. So twenty on the front, twenty on the back, and then totals. But it's with the handicaps included. So as long as I have a decent day and he has a crappy one, well I get paid. Well, yeah, so I'm I'm cool with that, but I always put in you gotta par to win the hole. So no matter what, you have to par. If you don't par, nobody wins it. Yeah. That keeps it on. If we if we both are shooting eight from the hole, yep. To me that just takes too long. If you're shooting and it's a par four and you're already shooting for five, well you well you just pick it up because you know what I mean? Like you just keep it moving. So you only win if you par. Yeah. Makes it faster. The group itself has a a max, right, per hole. So we we do a you know, if you get a plus four per hole, that's the max, right? So we we pick it up at that point. So 'cause we're we're playing group rules and individual bet rules at the same time, so you gotta manage that up. Yeah. Gotcha. And with twenty bucks a Hole if you even with handicap or it does sound like a lot. It is a lot, but at the end of the day, if you're playing someone very evenly matched, really you're only plus or minus a hole or two, right? At the end of the day. Usually, but if Sam hears this podcast, he'll he'll probably comment. There was one week where I lost 16 holes. It just I don't know what it was, just having just a horrible day. What I I I broke my driver on the very first hole that day. I'm never gonna forget this. We I broke my driver, very first hole. I had a custom fit PXG, and you know, I I swing about 110 miles an hour, and I don't know what happened. I I swung on hole number one, shaft at the bottom breaks, my driver head goes like 40 yards, and then I I got in my head, and then he beat me every hole after that. So and I had to pay him, right? So I I've been digging my way out of that hole for like four months. Hey Jason, I do understand where you're coming from because the first time I played Carrie since been getting serious with golf was probably like I don't know, it might might have been eight or nine months ago. So we show up to the golf course and Carrie's like, hey, your handicap, my handicap, I'll give you six strokes. So the first three holes, right? I'm pretty much beating him. And so we get to the fourth hole, and I'm like, he's like, Okay, you get a stroke in the soul. I'm like, nah, man, don't even worry about it. We're good. And I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna play this guy straight up, right? I'm gonna play him straight up. Man, after that Carrie's like, he's looking at me like I got four eyes. He's like, Are you sure? You are you sure? I'm like, Hell yeah, I'm sure. Like I just smoked you on the first three holes. Dude, I didn't win a hole. The whole rest of the round. From four all the way to eighteen, he kicked my ass and I had to pay this and that sucks. So you you got four hours of just getting a That that sucks. Historically so quiet. Hey, I talked him up till my friends and like, yeah, this guy never shuts up. Yeah, hey listen, when when you go through a a ten hole beatdown, you'll be quiet all the way to eighteen. Jason, tell us about the tell us about the win, 'cause I I am excited to hear about the win. Is it worth it? That's the big thing, you know? It's 'cause it's pretty pricey there, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad I didn't pay for it, but yay yay for corporate corporate friends, but totally worth it, right? It it was outside of the heat. Every group was assigned a caddy. No matter what you get assigned the caddy, so they're really helpful and Telling you the layout of the course, you know, and things like that. Because of the elevation and the heat, you can really amp yourself up with how far you can hit the ball, right? I normally hit like my eight iron, for example. I'm about a 165 with my eight iron, and out there, I'm hitting my eight iron like 185, no problem. So, you know, I'm out here like, wow, yeah, I'm I'm about to I'm about to get on the program or something, you know, because I'm crashing balls all over the place. But a lot of fun, very challenging. I would say it's More of an accuracy course than anything else, right? There's a lot of hills and movement. So you really your iron game has to be on point. And putting it's like putting on glass because of how hot it is. and they keep it really well maintained. So yeah, a lot challenging, very fun. And the funny part, I shot the lowest score I ever shot. So are you walking it? Is it walk-only? No, no, we'd have died. I died driving, so no way I would never walk that. Not not in August. and hey the you know the cool thing about the wind that I really liked too was everything was included. So lunch, whatever drinks you wanted, the only thing you that wasn't covered was alcohol, but I made the mistake hole nine at the turn taking a shot of tequila and when it's a hundred and nine degrees out and you're taking shots of tequila, yeah, you're gonna pay for that. So I had quite an interesting time around hole fourteen with a hundred and nine degrees and and a belly full of tequila, but hey, we managed it, so how much is around there? Is it a thousand bucks? Yeah, yeah, I yeah, it was it was about a thousand bucks a person. So and shout out to General Catalyst for inviting me 'cause I'm not paying that. Jeez. That's awesome.

How did they run it then? Did they do it like 'cause there was how many of you guys there? Sixteen, eight, twelve, sixteen? We well we should add twelve, but I think we ended up down to eight. One group couldn't make it. 'cause we were in the middle of a a security conference that week, so we just did just like a regular tournament in eighteen birdies and then I I I only knew one person Out there and everyone else was was brand new. So did they mix you up because you're you're with a certain foursome and it's a professional meeting, right? So did you change after nine or anything like that? No, we we we kept the same groups throughout the whole time. I I think you know I I just got comfortable playing with who I was with, so yeah, it was it was a lot easier just to stay with the group we were in. We we originally were gonna try that where like we'd meet up on every power three and kind of swap around, but with the heat and whatnot, we just decided to keep playing straight through. Yeah. I'm just wondering for future CPGA events. What's the best format to do it and you know Yeah, I I think if your goal is networking and golf, like either at the turn, right? Like swapping carts around, that might be fun to kind of get to know some other people in the group, or you do it on par threes because they're typically spaced apart far enough that people queue up on a par three. I've seen that done before where you know you kinda just swap around at the par threes or the turn. That that'd be kinda cool to get to know people. I would think in a a big environment where it was a lot of corporate people, that that would have been really fun to have gotten to know the group that was in front of us, right? Yeah, yeah exactly. Did you play any other courses out there then while you were there? No, no, no, not not out in Vegas. That was actually the first time I had played in Vegas. I I played all around, right? I I you know, I fly Delta, so I I bring my clubs wherever I go. like I'll be in a little north of Miami next week. I have a tournament on Saturday here in Atlanta, Oak Mountain. Yeah, I play quite a bit and then I'll be in Detroit maybe in three weeks after that. So yeah. Very cool. So whenever you travel, you take your clubs everywhere. You find a course. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, because it's it's you know, when when Delta takes care of your clubs and I've got pretty good case so it's nothing for me to just toss my clubs in and and take them. I'd rather have them than not. Yeah. One, I I love to play, even if people go to Top Golf. Now I'm not pretentious enough to take my golf clubs to Top Golf, but I'll play wherever wherever I can get it in, right? And I will say the most most of my business that I've done the last 15 years has essentially been on a golf course or has involved a golf course somehow. So I've just learned to bring my clubs with me and The camaraderie of just meeting random people and then playing golf, right? Like you can learn a lot about a person over four and a half hours. How you know, how they do things when they're frustrated, like how they act when they start drinking, are they fun to be around? Are they jerks, right? Like when I do business I have a no asshole rule, right? I just I just don't do business with jerks. I just I just can't, right? So when you're on the golf course, I kinda see your true colors, right? Yep. Yeah. So that's what lot of people say. Yeah, that's what a lot of people say. And actually I remember an older gentleman that we had on the podcast. A couple weeks ago he said the exact same thing. He's like, Yeah. All the all the true colors often come out of the golf course. Yeah. Yeah, I I I remember I I played golf with the guy, it was about three years ago, and yeah, we're competitive, like we're a bunch of guys talking shit. Yeah, I like I I want to beat you, like you want to beat me, so let's do it. But I couldn't shake it because I saw him drop a ball twice, right? When he's and I found it, and it it pissed me off so much. I just I couldn't do business with the guy. Like if you're willing to cheat with a stranger, like we weren't even Ben it, we're just having fun. I'm like, I no way, there's no way your integrity. I I never did business with him after that, but yeah, I made a I made a business decision off of him dropping a ball and just essentially trying to cheat me out of a stroke. So I completely understand where you're coming from because I don't play that shit, man. I I got a guy that I was playing with, caught him cheating. What did I do? I beat his ass! I put the okie dope right in his mouth. He had 20 kisses right to the uppercut. BAM! And then told him to get the f the course. Go home. Get out of here. Then he kicked me out of the group. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I don't mess around with that. I'm with you. Yeah, hey, our our golf group here in Atlanta does that. If you if you cheat or you're doing stupid shit, no, you gotta go. 'Cause look look look at our name, right? DBTgolf dot com. Drunk before the turn. We're not taking ourselves seriously. But if we're not taking ourselves seriously, then you're also cheating on top you're a different kind of asshole, man. Like you you gotta go. You know, so Yep. I would Yeah, with my buddies and we try to play by the rules, but winter rules will be like, Hey, can I take relief off this or this land in the divot? Can I take and usually everybody's pretty cool. You just kinda move but you ask permission first, right? With with the group and get consensus. Just like good good, you gotta have at least two goods to be good. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. And then and then's good. That's for sure. That's a good rule. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. And and then, you know, I went to Boston and and played with a bunch of my high school buddies from prep school and I was talking smack to everybody and so when I get there, you know, everyone's saying, you know, hey you know, watch out. Jeff's a

fluffer and I'm like, W what do you mean? So I get out on the course and he's got this course is c called Pleasant Valley, yeah, you hit it anywhere, you know, ten, fifteen feet off the green, you're in a lot of fluff. You're in a lot of rough. Like the grass is like that. And so I was like, I know what they mean now, 'cause he'll fluff his ball up and get a nice little lie and freaking, you know, get it out of there. And so yeah, so I had to put a I had to put a squabosh to that. I'm like, So you're the fluffer? Yeah, okay. Yeah, I made T shirts, sent to all his buddies with his face on it, saying Jeff the fluffer. Yeah. He he's only talked to me once since then and it's been about seven months now. Listen if if somebody mind they gave you a nickname and they called you the fluffer, no f no well. Yeah. You know what? You're my kind of guy, Jace. You're my kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, if you ever come down here and you you play with us, you you we'll call you by your name for the first round and then at some point someone gives you a nickname. And it could be how you play, how you drink. It it's hilarious. When I first got down here, there's another Jason in the group, right? So they called me bootleg. And it pissed me off so much, right, for the first like two years. We went to Orlando and we we had a poker tournament with the with the golf group. We were at our annual golf trip and we played poker. Now I play poker way better than I play golf, right? So I took all their money and they ended up calling me Should Knight. And now that's my new nickname is they they call me Should. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that for sure. That's so funny. What's the what's the genesis of bootleg? 'Cause there's another Jason in the group and he's one of the his name's Jason Gamble and he's a co founder of the group so he's like you can't be you can't be Jason so you're you're you're bootleg until I earn something different. So you're the bootleg Jason. Yeah yeah Yeah. That's that's the when you when you find a new and you play with What's that? Yeah. Yeah Berkeley does the same thing. He he names gives everybody a nickname when someone joins a new hockey team. He's been calling me Chi Chi forever. that's amazing. So for example, I I played in the last group at this tournament Sunday. So my my group had to collect all the closest to the pin cards and all that. And I get I get all the cards at the end of the round and there's no names, they're all nicknames. So I'm like, who's who's Maze? Who's Sigmund Frude? Who's CEO? Right? So that you gotta figure that out with a group of a hundred golfers. Hey, it's it's it's funny you say that. It's funny you say that I I'm at a golf tournament a couple months ago and I got closer to the pin. So I put Black Jesus on the on the on the card. And they didn't they thought somebody was messing around, so they gave it to somebody else. no. And I went up to that, I go, hey man. I go, I go, I got closest to the pin. It was, you know,

we're the ones that picked it up. They're like, I thought you were screwed. I thought everybody was somebody was screwing around. So I had to go and take it from the guy. I'm like, yeah, I'm Black Jesus, bro. I'm Black Jesus. So Jason, which days do you guys play? DBT. We alternate Saturday and so this week we're playing Saturday, last week was Sunday, so in two weeks it'll be Sunday. that way, look, we all play fantasy football, right? We have college football, we got, you know, the NFL, so we rotate it so in case guys can't come out on Sunday, they got tailgate plans or whatever, then you know you can play it on a Saturday the following week or something like that. So yeah, we rotate. Got it. Good stuff. And anybody can join if I came out for a weekend or whatever or whatever, someone can can join the group. And play? You you you get a sponsor, right? So, Carrie, if you came down or Berkeley, I'd have to say, hey, add Berkeley and Carrie to the group, and then I'm responsible for your shenanigans. So if you if you piss everybody off, then everyone gets mad at me, right? But yeah, it's it's open for everybody, right? Come down, have fun. Don't let Berkeley into your WhatsApp group. He's gonna blow it up. Listen hey, what happens in the WhatsApp group stays in the WhatsApp group, man. Hey man, your group sounds like a lot of fun, man. That that's That sounds like a lot of fun. I I I feel I would fit right in. yeah, yeah, it sounds like anytime you guys are out in Atlanta, let me know. Happy to host you out here. Jason, what's your bucket list golf trip or where are you looking to go? Ooh. Man, yeah, I I I really want to go back to Dubai. And and the reason I say that is when I first went out there, I had just picked up golf. So I appreciated the environment, right? Like playing at night and you got the burge cleaf in the background. That was great, but I was pretty bad at golf. So didn't really get to enjoy it. I I want to play golf where I'm at now in the same environment. So get rid of the war and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, I really want to go back to Dubai, play at night there. It's there's nothing like it, especially nighttime. Nighttime golf is is something different. And I and I've seen in the Philippines they do a lot of nighttime golf as well. So yeah, I really want to travel more internationally and play at night. That's funny you say that because I'm surprised that there isn't more 18-hole golf courses here. That are lit up completely where where you're playing yeah, twelve midnight and it's like it's twelve afternoon. I I'm I'm really I'm shocked. I think that would be like I think that would be like a whole nother way to play golf and and and have a have a great time without having to use a glow ball. Have you ever played with a glow ball at night? Play with a glow ball, that's kind of fun. Yeah, yeah, that yeah, that that's a lot of fun. And you're right. I I am a little shocked that I don't see a lot of nighttime golf here in

the US. That would be that'd be fun. I I would I'd pay for that. And then you like in in hotter states like Arizona, yeah, playing at midnight makes more sense than playing at two o'clock in the afternoon when your tires are melting in the parking lot, right? So especially in Vegas, right? Vegas they got everything. Why don't they have that? So there is a little surprise. I'm I'm I'm gonna research that and find out who has full nighttime golf. That might be a fun cross course. It's like a nine-hole, but it's it's you only have one hole. that you could bring up five wood out everything else is like under maybe 100 110 120 but it's fully lit up but it's really really kind of small I haven't played that at night which I definitely would but yeah I'm talking about a full 7200 yard course all lit up at night I think that would be I think that would be amazing that would be fun girls coming out there with the drinks you don't have to use a glow ball because when you're hitting a glow ball man it's not it's like hitting a freaking rock right Yeah. Yeah, it's terrible. I think that's gonna be my on my next on my next business venture, Jerry. So we we gotta figure that out. Business venture number two thousand and sixty-four. So sounds just like me. Well I have multiple businesses too. I I'm always trying to start something new. So Jason, what's your favorite golf story? You have one that just always comes to mind? Yeah, so there's one that I'll never forget. Had had a little too much to drink and me and my buddy up in Michigan, we were Driving the golf cart a little too fast, and we thought we were going like over a hill. And yeah, we were going over a hill, but on the other side was a sand trap. And we hit this sand trap in the air, we're both drinking in the air, full speed. The front end of the golf cart goes straight to the sand, and me and him both go right through the plexiglass in the front. Yeah, we with no injuries, but that's probably the one that I think I'm gonna remember the most. So Yeah, it was bad. Wait, was that the car accident you got into? No. That was just So apparently I I get into accidents with vehicles, not not dementia, but no, just the golf cart. We were just driving at a golf course we'd never been before and then right over. So Were you able to drive the golf cart out then? Yeah, so surprisingly, because we hit sand, right? So the golf cart just stopped, kind of buried a little bit in the front of the sand. and then me and him kind of went out the front. I'm hanging over the plexiglass and he went all the way out. But the people that were with us you because we were a foursome they were able to help us lift the front of the cart out and look we made it to the clubhouse and we all grabbed our stuff and ran out and they never called us so you know It was ho it was hole number I wanna say seventeen. So we only had one hole after that, so it we didn't have to like test it out the whole time. We just hey we made it back to the clubhouse, we all got in our cars and drove away as fast as we could. Yeah. that's hilarious. Well glad you guys weren't hurt there. Yeah, well that that could have been bad. yeah. Hey, so Jason, I already I already know the answer to this, but I'm just trying to get Carrie thinking the way Others think you know what mean? When you're golfing, tell me about your dress attire from from your shoes all the way up to your hat. Well look at him, he's already set. Look at him. He's he's what are you what are you what are you what are you doing? Tell me. No, and you will get clowned. So out here, no no no. We we make sure like you you out here rocking, believe me. Hey Jason, I'm telling you right now. Kara, are you the guy that just wears whatever you find and just throw it on and go out there as long as it's got a collar on it? I don't wear whatever. It's not whatever, but I don't necessarily match and then Berkeley's always like, you gotta clean your shoes or get new shoes. Hey Jason, he's got three pair of golf shoes, which is number one the worst thing, right? But here's the crazy thing. They're all the same color. They're all grey. The dude is not he don't he don't wipe down. It's like it's like dirt from twelve rounds ago. It it's it's unbelievable. I don't understand it. Last week he went to a tournament they gave free golf shoes away and he didn't even take any. They're on their way. That's the first thing I look at somebody is what they're wearing, right? That's the first thing I look at. What was that again? Look, peop you you'll get out of your your car, you'll put your shoes on, and people in our group will say they noticed. They'll be like, those new are those the the G fours? Yeah, no, we I was rocking a Eastside golf fit this weekend with some some Jordans. You gotta gotta look good out there. Even if you look bad. Still gotta look good. I agree, I agree. Okay, yes. Well, I I put in my investments other places, but I'll think about it a little bit more. I need some more clowning, I guess. Yeah. No, I I I've got green, black, blue, white. Amazing Jason. Yep. So now I hear you. I'm with ya. Very cool. Well thanks, Jason. Great conversation. Great to meet you. Love the love having this chat with you and I'm looking forward to getting on the course with you someday. Hopefully in the near term, but definitely someday we will get out there. Absolutely. Absolutely nice to meet you two. You guys are in Atlanta. Come on out. I'll be happy to host you. You got or when a conference. Come to a conference out in California. I'm all I'm always out there in California. A lot of my investors are out there as well so I will I'll definitely bring my clubs out there and I'll hit you up, bud. Yeah. You got some. Wow, another great show today with the big man Jason Lee out in Atlanta. Boy, I tell you, that sounds like it's gonna be one of another place that me and Carrie are gonna have to try to get to to go out there and hang out with Jesse Lee and his crew. So remember everybody, please, please, we're we're going for a one million subscribers. And I know Jason and all his buddies are gonna jump on here and they're gonna get us over the threshold. 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