บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Evil Dead 2 - S17 E132

a weird one, though, isn't it? It's not really like anything else in terms of that. 31 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 It is a sequel. It's called two. It has a two after its title. 32 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 It does. 33 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,000 So, I guess by that logic, it definitely is. 34 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,000 But it's the second film in After Death season. 35 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Yeah, your season. How's it going for you? 36 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,000 I'm loving it so far. 37 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 So far so good. 38 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Yeah, I had a blast in the first episode. 39 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Talk to me. 40 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Talk to me. 41 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Yeah, I enjoyed that one. 42 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,000 And we haven't recorded the show yet, but we have watched the film, so it's going just as well this week, too. 43 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,000 I agree. Evil Dead 2 is one of my favorite movies. 44 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Is it really? 45 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Yeah, of course. 46 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Is it top 10? 47 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,000 It's not. I wouldn't say it's top 10, but it's like Evil Dead movies. In general, the franchise is really strong. Like I I look at all of them and there's not one I don't like. 48 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,000 I haven't seen Evil Dead Burn yet. 49 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Or are we just referring to the original trilogy? 50 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,000 No, I mean all of them. The the 2013 remake, the Evil Dead Rise. I didn't love it, but I thought it was good. 51 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Evil Dead Rise is a lot of fun, and I appreciated it more on Second Watch. I will say that. 52 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Yeah. And but, you know, I'll watch it again. 53 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Yeah. 54 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 And I just I Yes, that kind of sense of humor, that anarctic just nuts, slapstick, stupid humor is 55 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,000 splatstick. 56 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Splatstick, 57 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,000 I believe it's called. 58 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,000 It's just it's per it's it's the sort of thing that I enjoy. 59 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,000 It's a bit of you. 60 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,000 It's a bit of me. It is. And out of them, out of all of the Evil Dead movies, Army of Darkness is my favorite, 61 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000 but Evil Dead 2 is very close behind. 62 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Evil Dead 2 is Bruce Campbell's favorite. Is it? 63 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Yeah, 64 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 I could understand people saying this is their favorite. I get it. 65 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 It's mine. 66 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Or any of them really because they're all good. Do you know what I mean? 67 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Yeah. I don't think there is a bad film. Again, we haven't seen Evil Dead Burn, so we can't, 68 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,000 you know, that could go either way. I've heard a few people say that it's a little bit der, 69 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,000 especially in comparison to the others. 70 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Yeah. Which is funny because it's it's got it's a sense of humor movie. 71 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Yeah. But I would say 72 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,000 by its nature, 73 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,000 since 2013, they've definit Definitely been nastier. 74 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Oh, that's true. 2013 one was quite mean as well, wasn't it? 75 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Yeah, that was pretty brutal in places. Yes. 76 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Was that Fetty Alvarez? 77 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,000 It was. Yeah. 78 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Fetty. 79 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Great movie. 80 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Good movie. 81 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,000 But very different tonally. 82 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Yeah. Yeah. Very different tonally. But these these first, not the first three. The first one's obviously more of a serious take on this cabin in the woods thing. 83 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Mh. 84 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 And then two and three are just completely bash insane. And I love it. And that's 85 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,000 to the wall. Why they're my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. But so in terms of the theme then, why Evil Dead 2 or why Evil Dead 2 over another Evil Dead movie or 86 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,000 because it's my favorite? 87 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Because it's your favorite? 88 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Yeah. 89 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Okay. And you just wanted to get that to that first? 90 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Yes, I think so. 91 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Was there also a bit of you that knew that one day I'd put Army of Darkness on or was you just not tempted by that? 92 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000 I didn't even think about that. 93 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Oh, f*** you then. 94 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 You didn't enter into the calculations. Thanks. Way to lift my confidence while we're recording. 95 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Um, no, that but genuinely that didn't really influence my opinion. Didn't influence my my decision at all. 96 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Um, the first one is a really good movie and obviously without it we wouldn't have any of the Evil Dead movies, but it's not my favorite. It's not I think it's good. I think it's great in fact, but I don't love it if that makes sense. I just think we've already talked about Evil Dead 2 not being a remake, but they did refine a lot of the stuff 97 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 that they kind of attempted in the first one. 98 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Yeah. 99 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Although there's probably more to

talk about in terms of Evil Dead one and just how troubled of a production that was. 100 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Whereas the um 101 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,000 this one went really well, did it? 102 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Um it went better. It went better. 103 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Yeah. 104 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,000 And a large part of it seems was um I don't I never know how to pronounce his name. Dino Delorentes. 105 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Dorentences. Yeah, 106 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Dorentes. Yeah. Who we've talked about on the podcast before. 107 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Yeah. He comes up. Yeah. 108 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Um but between him and Stephen King, they are why this film exists. 109 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,000 I heard about King's quote was on the cover for Evil Dead 1 and that really brought a lot of attention to it. 110 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000 It's King doing it for the horror fans once again. 111 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Yeah. Yeah. Likes to keep his hand in, doesn't he? 112 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Yeah, he does. 113 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Whether it's welcome or not. 114 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Has he done anything else or is it just like reviewing movies? 115 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Stephen King. 116 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Yeah. 117 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,000 Um, no. He's just a Twitter critic. 118 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Is he? Yeah. 119 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Oh, fair enough. We may all go far though. 120 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Yeah, sure. 121 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Well, his writing style is not too bad. Like maybe you should try his hand at being an author sometime. 122 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Write some short stories. Start there. See how it goes. 123 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Yeah. Do a master class. 124 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Never take cocaine. 125 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Don't ever 126 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Or maybe take a bit of cocaine. 127 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Don't Don't take any cocaine. Sarah, cuz it's illegal and we wouldn't want to encourage that. 128 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,000 But if you did take cocaine, don't forget that you wrote a book ever called Kujo. 129 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Yeah. I think he'd be a better author than he would um a movie director. 130 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,000 Maximum Overdrive. I'm looking at you. 131 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,000 Oh yeah, 132 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,000 the cocaine was on full display in that piece of s***. 133 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Yeah. 134 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 But overall, we can agree Stephen King net positive. 135 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Yeah. Um and in this case, basically He he loved Evil Dead so much that he he chatted to Dino Dillerentis who was producing Maximum Overdrive at the time and said, "Oh, this guy Sam Ramy

is trying to get this film made, but he's struggling to get financing. Dino Derentes created a whole new production company called Roseboard, I believe." Because I think there was something in his contract that meant he couldn't release unrated movies through his existing production company. So, they created a whole new company just to put out Evil Dead. two. 136 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Yeah. 137 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 And I think he managed to secure like 3.6 million for the budget, 138 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 right? 139 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,000 They wanted four, but they couldn't get four. 140 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Yeah. 141 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,000 So, they had to tighten their belts a little bit and produce it on a measly 3.6 million. 142 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Okay. 143 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,000 But yeah, without Stephen King brokering that relationship, we wouldn't have Evil Dead 2. 144 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Yeah. Yeah. So, we've got him to thank. 145 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Well, and you know, Sam Ramy did some things as well. 146 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Yeah. He did all right. Right. Did all right. Yeah, 147 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,000 he did all right. Yeah, he uh This is our first Sam Ramy movie, I think. Isn't it? 148 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000 I think it is. I think so. Yeah. 149 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Yeah. 150 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 I like Sam Ramy. 151 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 I I like his movies. 152 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,000 I don't know anything about him as a person. 153 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,000 That's I like most of his movies. 154 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Yeah. 155 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 I haven't seen the um the Wizard of Oz one, which nobody likes. 156 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 See, 157 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000 has it got the Franco factor in it? 158 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Yes. His output is child to me. Like Sam Ramy has a really curious backlog of movies cuz what have we got? We've got The Evil Deads. 159 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Yeah, 160 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 we've got Crimewave. 161 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,000 We've got Crime Wave. Oh, I always forget about that. 162 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Terrible. 163 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Oh, it's one of the worst films I've ever seen. I always I'm trying to sell it on eBay currently. 164 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Nobody's biting. 165 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,000 But almost incomprehensibly bad. 166 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Yeah, but studio interference like I don't it It feels like a fault of any person that's creative. Or maybe it is. Who knows? But there was a lot of f****** that went on that film. 167 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Too many cooks. Too many cooks. Um, yeah. So, what else have we got? Obviously Spider-Man. 168 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,000 He's got Yeah, the three Spider-Man's, Quick and the Dead, which I really like. 169 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Yeah, you do like that, don't you? 170 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,000 I really like that film. I 171 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,000 made me watch that. 172 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,000 I was already I'd already seen it back in the day. 173 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Yeah. 174 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Um, but I always forget that that's him. This is what I mean. Like, it's so It's so out there. There are some really like left field movies. 175 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 Yeah, 176 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 we've got Drag Me to Hell, which feels way more Remy. 177 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Drag Me to Hell was good. Yeah, I enjoyed that. 178 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000 I love that movie. 179 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Yeah. 180 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Um Oh, what did I just think? Oh, Dark Man. 181 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Dark Man. 182 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Yeah, 183 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,000 he did a Doctor Strange. 184 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,000 He did a Doctor I was just about to come to the superhero stuff because he was a big big fan of Spider-Man and I think I heard uh Campbell say on a podcast somewhere that he sort of uh vouched for Remy to to people like, "Yeah, he loves Spider-Man and uh he'll do a good job." And most people would agree that he did. People love Spider-Man 2. People go mad for Spider-Man 2. 185 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,000 I don't really have a whole lot of love for th those three Spider-Man movies, but I think more than anything, that's my hatred of Toby Maguire talking. 186 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Hatred. 187 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 I hate him. 188 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,000 He wasn't wasn't a p**** p****. 189 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 I find him detestable and he's okay. acting. 190 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Do you prefer Lucas Har or Toby Maguire? 191 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,000 O 192 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,000 I was going to say Toby H, but that's someone else. 193 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Probably Lucas Har because he was in Whitney. 194 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Yeah, 195 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,000 which gets mentioned quite a lot on this podcast for some reason. 196 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,000 And he drank milk in Brick. 197 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,000 I do like Brick 198 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,000 and he had big shoes. 199 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,000 So Sam Ramy. Yeah. I mean, I think we can all agree that he's uh is he a is one of the greats. Would you say would you say that he's one of the greats? Cuz I would 200 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 I don't know because he's got some real standouts in his catalog, but I feel like his output is so diverse and part of me just kind of like part of me admires that and the other part of me is just like, will you just pick a lane? 201 00:03:20,000 -->

00:03:21,000 Just pick a thing and stick to it, Sam. 202 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Yeah. Um, and I I think some projects are way more successful than others in my eyes. 203 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 I sort of find with Remy is that I do enjoy his more be movie stuff. Like the Spider-Man one and two, I like them, but they're not my favorite. And um, you know, I didn't see Oz, but again, people say that it's not good. So, it's almost like for me anyway, The Evil Dead, The Dark Mans, the Beovie kind of lowbudget kind of stuff. is is is where I find he's strongest for me. I don't know what the budget was on Drag Me to Hell, but that felt like a return to form in some way. 204 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 I could not agree more and I've kind of been struggling with this a little bit. Um I've been trying to reconcile whether me favoring those projects is because he's just better at those, like maybe he should sort of stick in the horror genre, or if I just prefer them because I drawn to horror. 205 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,000 I can't figure out which it is. 206 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,000 I I don't Yeah, I'm not sure either. It It feels more interesting somehow. Like I guess a good example would be Doctor Strange which you mentioned. Was really looking forward to that. I I really like the first Doctor Strange movie and when they announced Sam Ramy, oh my lord, what? Yeah. Great. And and particularly after the whole Scott Derekson thing when 207 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Yeah. Well, I I got super excited because obviously when Scott Derekson was attached, it was very much like they're making a Doctor Strange movie that's also horror. 208 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Yes, that was very excited. 209 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Yeah, it was. You're quite right. And I think when 210 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,000 I think the compromise was look, we'll get a Doctor Strange one out and then we'll go horror on the second one. But I believe that didn't come to fruition, which is why Derekson left. 211 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Yeah. 212 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,000 And bought on Remy. 213 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,000 So when that that was all going on, Derekson left and I was thinking to myself, "Oh, I hope it's still going to be a horror." And then they announced Remy. I was like, "Yes." But it wasn't though. It was it was I mean, you still expected to be a Marvel film, but it was nowhere near horror. It was It had a couple of 214 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 It drew from the genre a little bit. 215 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 It visually in some frames. Yeah. You could I mean there was you could see a zombie. The film's been for a while now. You saw a zombie and Sam Ramy did his camera trick. 216 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Yeah. 217 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,000 And that was lovely to see, but it was just a bit 218 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,000 and I don't I guess it's maybe the restrictions that might be placed

upon someone like Remy if he's uh got a huge budget. I mean, I don't know. Maybe he's a shot caller that those Spider-Man movies made all of the money, so it's possible that he can just do whatever he wants. 219 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000 True. 220 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Which could also be a bad thing. 221 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm going to sort of come back to something that I say a lot on this show, and that's that I think filmmakers are always at their best when they have to tighten their belts. When and they have to penny pinch. I've said it before, necessity is the mother of invention. Look at people like Peter Jackson. I know the Lord of the Rings movies are beloved. I get it. I'm in the minority. Just a bunch of people with hairy feet walking. They just walk everywhere. Nine hours of it. 222 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Yeah. No, I'm with you. You know that. 223 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 I'm a brain dead girl. I'm a bad taste girl. 224 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,000 I I think there there are so many other examples that I could choose from, but Peter Jackson's always the one that comes up first. 225 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Yeah, he's he's probably in terms of other directors probably closest to Romy, right? 226 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 That's kind of what I was thinking. Yeah. Like they've they've been given these stratospheric like enormous projects with huge budgets and very few of the people that that sort of start off in the genre pictures reach that yeah that level. 227 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Um so I felt like a a decent comparison but I I don't know. I just think They're they're just they're most inventive when they have to be. And I think this is a really bloody good example. 228 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Yeah, I agree. I agree. I So 3.6 million was the budget. I think it's all on screen for 229 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,000 I do too, isn't it? 230 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Yeah. Um and and some stuff that wasn't on screen because they did have to make cuts. 231 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Is that why did they have to make cuts? 232 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Um because it was too disturbing. 233 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Really? Yeah. 234 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 I want to see that. Well, they wanted to avoid an X rating, but in doing so, they secured even making some cuts. They were encouraged to make even more cuts, but it would have made the film about an hour long, which was deemed ridiculous. Um, and so they made kind of nominal cuts. They changed some scenes where it sort of shifted the focus from the carnage on screen to Ash's disturbed reactions, which was actually to their detriment because it was sort of decided that actually that made it even more disturbing, 235 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 right? 236 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Um, and so they ended up having to put it out unrated, which is back in the day was kind of

like the death nail for a movie. 237 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Yeah. Cuz there's there's that whole release thing as well, isn't there? With the the first movie and it getting banned over here. 238 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Yes. Yeah. It was banned for a long time in a lot of countries. 239 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Yeah. 240 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000 One of the OG video nasties. 241 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 It was one of the original Evil Dead was one of those like um Oh, I wonder if I'll ever get to see that movie. That sounds interesting. And I think I I believe I actually saw Army of Darkness first, but without knowing that it was an Evil Dead movie. 242 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,000 And I think um I got the VHS copies of Evil Dead one and two, I think, when they were 243 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,000 unbanned 244 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,000 or when one was unbanned or whatever. At some point, I got the VHS's and 245 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,000 debanned. 246 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Yeah. And I must have watched Evil Dead 2 and then it ends with Ash going to medieval. I'm like, 247 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,000 what the f***? More more. 248 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Yeah. And then um I was like, "Oh my god, Army of Darkness is a sequel to Evil Dead 2." And I I had no idea. 249 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Oh, right. Okay. 250 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 So, I saw that first and then I probably watched one then two. 251 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,000 Yeah. 252 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,000 Um 253 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 I didn't see either of them until I was 254 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000 maybe like 19, 20. 255 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 What the Which did you start with one, go on to two? 256 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Yes, I did start with one. I in fact I Oh, no wait no I probably saw the second one first and then I backwards because I think by that point the second one was more accessible. 257 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Yeah. 258 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 And then I remember going to I can't remember what it was called. It became FOP, but there was a 259 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 I know what you mean. 260 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,000 A DVD and music store in my hometown and I used to just rinse it every weekend. 261 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000 And they u when I was in college, there were two box sets that came out called Box of the Band one and two 262 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 and the original Evil Dead was in the first one of those, I believe. 263 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Yeah. 264 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,000 Alongside like Evil Speak and a bunch, you know. bunch of original video nasty stuff and that is where my fascination with that kind of thing started. 265 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Yeah. 266 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 So yeah, I probably came to that when I was maybe about 19. 267 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Okay. 268 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,000 So a little bit later than a lot of people. 269 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Yeah, I suppose. So I mean I I must have seen Army of Darkness when it was I believe it was on Sky Movies. So I want to say 93 94. So I was nine or 10 when I saw that. But it's it's a very it's it's not 270 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,000 it's not a horror movie in the sense that Evil Dead one and two are. 271 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,000 It's pretty silly slapsticky more of a rom more of a Ray Harry Howand let's fight some skele skeletons type situation and it's great and I love it for that. 272 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Well, they touched on some of that stuff in Evil Dead 2. 273 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Yeah, 274 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,000 the stop motion's fantastic. 275 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Yeah, we'll definitely talk about the stop motion and the effects and stuff cuz that's I mean there's not much really to dig through in terms of themes. So, it's it's just a good old fun time, isn't it? 276 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Yeah. 277 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Um but I want to just pick up on um on Evil Dead 1 again quickly before we move on. 278 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Okay. 279 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 So, there's obviously that controversial scene in that which I I guess is the main reason it was banned. 280 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Are we talking about the tree rate? 281 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,000 The tree rate. 282 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Yeah. 283 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Let's just state outright. 284 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Okay. 285 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Um yes, that would have been the primary reason that it was banned. 286 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Yeah. Okay. 287 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 I am not a fan of that. Um it sounds a little bit like Sam Ramy and Bruce Campbell are also not fans of that. I know Sam Ramy's kind of gone on record to say that he regrets it and it was a bit of a folly of youth and Bruce Campbell said he was against it from the start. Um, which good for you. I just I don't So my hot take as a feminist killjoy that everybody hates is I don't think men should ever write rape scenes unless it's a male rape scene. Um, which is probably a little bit controversial because Obviously, I'm not saying that writers can't write things they haven't experienced, but I think it's such a delicate issue that if you're not really constantly under threat of that potentially happening to you, not by a tree, because that's not real. 288 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Yeah. 289 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000 But I I don't necessarily think you should have a place in the in that particular conversation. 290 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Yeah. 291 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Especially when it's just done for shock value. It's not It wasn't to say anything about it. It was It was kind of it was in pretty poor taste, let's be

honest. 292 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,000 No, I agree. I couldn't agree more. The thing is you can you can suggest as well like right. But if you're going to be blatantly obvious about that and it is very controversial and they were teenagers or Sam Ramy it sounds like it was 19 or something I think 20 proper like I've done stupid s***. 293 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Oh, I was I was a major edge lord back then. I might have done the same thing. 294 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Exactly. It was it was like look we're making a horror film. We've got to make this as controversial as possible. But that being said, 295 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 what's the gnarliest, weirdest thing you can conjure up? 296 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Exactly. Yeah. 297 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 It's it's only with the 298 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,000 the privilege of age and hindsight that I can now sort of say, "Well, maybe that wasn't the best." 299 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's it's sort of this film is like a feels sort of like a correction of the first movie in in many ways. Not that the first movie is bad. I I I like it fine. Never rewatch it because I'm just like, "Well, I'm going to watch Evil Dead. Why would I bother when this one exists? 300 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Kind of kind of what you mean. Evil Dead 2 has got all of the stuff that I love. Like even 301 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Bruce Campbell in the first movie, he's not Ash Williams yet. He's just a bit of a doofus who's, you know, 302 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Yeah. 303 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 You know, he's there's not much to him if I remember rightly. And it has been a long time since I've seen it. 304 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,000 But I just feel like this one takes the concept and everything about the first movie and just absolutely completely improves all of it. 305 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Yeah. 306 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 And sort of to the detriment of that first movie. I guess in a way, but I always thought it was weird that this just opens with just a 15 10 minute remake of the first movie. I always found that interesting. 307 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Yeah. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't. But I'll be honest, that's one thing that I don't really like about this franchise. And we we talked about it a bit in the Child's Play show. I really admire Don Mancini for the fact that he never reccons anything. Even if it's a bad decision, even if it's ludicrous, He's like, "Well, I've written it. It stays now." 308 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,000 That's what it is. 309 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Yeah. And they build around it, even if it's stupid. And I really admire that. 310 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Yeah. I bet you do. 311 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 He's found a way to make it work. And and that brings a level of consistency throughout the franchise that I haven't really seen elsewhere. 312 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Whereas in this, I feel like the whole franchise is just wildly inconsistent. And also, Sam Ramy's recconed a bunch of his own stuff cuz I mean, the first Evil Dead sort of ends on the suggestion that Ash dies, right? 313 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Yeah. I mean, you would if you just watch that movie and Evil Dead 2 onwards didn't ever exist, the whole character arc for that or what would have happened to that character as far as we know is he's dead. 314 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Yeah. Yeah. 315 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 So, yeah, but it was a it was initially it was a rights thing, right? I heard 316 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 because they didn't have the rights to the original movie and they wanted to sort of recap to reshoot it. 317 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 They hadn't sold the rights to like the characters. as such 318 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 some Yeah, there was like some small print something they were able to work around. 319 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Yeah, definitely. But but so they had to reshoot um some of that. And I wonder if it's just because they were like, "Well, we don't need to get everyone back and do exactly the same thing." I don't know. It's a weird one. 320 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 It's a fun thing to think about though cuz it is a strange and I can't really think of anything else like it. No. 321 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Where there's a movie then they've remade the first movie large Agree. Kind of. Yeah. Like it's a reimagining of the first movie. 322 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Kind of, but not really. Yeah. 323 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Yeah. 324 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 It's um It's strange. And also, wasn't Linda recast? 325 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 It's a different actress. 326 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 I'm not sure, actually. 327 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Yeah, I believe so. 328 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Okay. 329 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Um but yeah, it is odd. Well, we get that sort of recap of of what happened in the first movie and what the Necronomicon is and you know, some of the lore and then it's it's like if ever there was an example of a film just not f****** around. It's Evil Dead 2 330 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,000 because my god, we get straight into it. 331 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Yeah, not f****** around the movie is a perfect title for it. 332 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Like there's just not a frame is wasted, I think. And it's a short film. Like what under sub 90 minutes, I think. 333 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Yeah, it's like 85 or something. 334 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 And my god does it utilize every every second 335 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,000 that we see. 336 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Um but yeah. There's just no laboring um character introductions. There's there's just it's just straight into it. 337 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Yeah. 338

00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Immediate chaos. 339 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Yeah. 340 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 And I love that. 341 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Yeah. Straight away you're you're it's it's the recap of the first movie and then it comes it reaches the final shot of the first movie and then from that point on it's kind of like well this is what happened afterwards, right? 342 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Yeah. 343 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,000 So it's really weird but but straight away from that point Bruce Campbell's being just flung around everywhere, chucked in puddles and 344 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 being spun through the air. 345 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Yeah. 346 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000 In a forest. 347 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Yeah. It's really fun. 348 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Yeah. 349 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 And I had so much fun doing the research just hearing Bruce Campbell talk on Pocket. Less so Sam Ramy because there's just less stuff of his out there, I think. But Bruce Campbell is 350 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Yeah. He's just he's so much fun to listen to. I Whenever there's an interview, I'll listen to it. Whatever it whoever it is with He just seems like a good dude as well. Yeah, 351 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 I like him. 352 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Lot of fun. 353 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Very likable man. 354 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Yeah, but it's it's it's it's so much fun for me to think about just oh just being on that set and god it sounds like it would have been absolutely awful, but also how much fun must they have had to just like well what do you fancy? Why don't we just get a crane and strap you to it and spin you around? 355 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Like that sounds like heaven to me. 356 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 I know what you mean. 357 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 You can't do that s*** anymore. No. 358 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,000 And it's probably good a good It's definitely a good thing. Don't get me wrong. 359 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000 It would all be computerized VFX now, which is such a shame. 360 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 It It would be. Yeah. 361 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 I think we should endanger actors way more. 362 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,000 I I Yeah, I agree 100%. 363 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Just for this shot. 364 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Yeah. What's more important than art? 365 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,000 I know you say it sounds like it must have been hell on that set, but at least they're still dining out on anecdotes. Yeah. 366 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 40 years down the line. Yeah, Campbell's got a couple of books out of it, isn't it? If Chins Could Talk. 367 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000 I thought it's If Chins Could Kill. 368 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 If Chins Could. Is it? 369 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 I think so. 370 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Okay, that would make more sense. 371 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Good book. Very entertaining. 372 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 I think I've listened to the audio book. 373 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 And it's um How to Make Love the Bruce Campbell way. I know that one. 374 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Um Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating friendship. And I'm so glad that their friendship seems to have endured all these years as well. 375 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Yeah. Just mates from school as well. 376 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Yeah. It's It's crazy, isn't it? How you'd have a friend from school and you get enter this career together and somewhat part ways to a degree to a degree. 377 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Yeah. You went off Burn Notice for a little bit. 378 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Yeah. Burn Zena Warrior Prince princess. 379 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Yeah. I think Bruce Campbell was in some of that show and Sam Ramy was like a producer. Okay. 380 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,000 New Zealand that was shot in New Zealand. So 381 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 another Peter Jackson reference because he's from New Zealand. 382 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,000 He is. Yeah. Thank you for tying that together. 383 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000 New Zeal New Zealand. New Zeal. Yeah. 384 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 I think that's only if you're half Kiwi. 385 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Is it 386 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 New Zeal? 387 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Yeah. 388 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,000 Yeah. 389 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 And then once you get over 60, you're old Zealish. 390 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Yeah. 391 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Yeah. Pensioners are old Zealish. 392 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Yeah. That's right. Yeah. You're learning everything here today, folks. 393 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 I love Bruce Campbell. I really I love him. Like 394 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 that's it. That's the show. 395 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000 That's the show. 396 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Just you goshing over Bruce Campbell for the remainder. Who doesn't love Bruce Campbell? Like, and it's funny, isn't it? Because it's really like I I guess it's maybe he's one of those that's done quite a few different things. So, probably every person you meet is going to be I love Bruce Campbell. Burn Notice is one of my favorite shows. I love Bruce Campbell. I really love that movie Bubba Hotep. 397 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Yeah. 398 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 I love And but and I suppose you got people like me and you that that probably enjoy most of his movies, you know, 399 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,000 but he's Ash Williams. 400 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 But he's Ash Williams. That's his 401 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 that's his major role and he's played it to perfection in those three movies and in Ash versus 402

00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,000 and the show. Yeah. And um there was that other film that I wanted to love but didn't called My Name is Bruce 403 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,000 where he was playing himself 404 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,000 um amongst fictional characters that mistook him for Ash 405 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,000 from Evil Dead. 406 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,000 Right. 407 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Like on paper it sounds so great but I didn't love it. 408 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,000 I don't think I've seen that. 409 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Seriously. Hey, cuz I pulled out Bubba Hotep off your DVD shelf the other day as well, and I don't think I've seen that either. 410 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 I think you would probably enjoy that. I'm just checking the shelves now. I thought I owned My Name is Bruce. Maybe I don't. 411 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 My name is Bruce. 412 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Bruce. Um, it's a little 413 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 I think I've seen 414 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 throwback to our dog tooth show. 415 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Go listen to the dog tooth show. A great movie pairing the double bill. Dog tooth and evil. 416 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 I do, you know what I would pair this with actually to thinking about we'll talk about who we in a sec. 417 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,000 A nice rezling. 418 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Hey, 419 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,000 a nice rezling. 420 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,000 What's that? 421 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Never mind. 422 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Okay. I was thinking about films that we've covered that I would pair this with. And I think the answer is Don't Breathe because Fedy Alvarez, and I didn't even make that connection there, but Fedy Alvarez feels like he's seen every Sam movie ever Sam Ramy movie ever made. 423 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Yeah. 424 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,000 On that like kind of um visceral slimy sort of way. Does it have to be a film that we've covered? 425 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Yeah. 426 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,000 That I would pair it with. 427 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Yeah. 428 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,000 I don't know. I might be tempted to do a 1987 double bill and pair it with Near Dark because they're both so much fun. 429 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Yeah, I'll take that. 430 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Yeah, that's my answer. 431 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Fair enough. Vampires and 432 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000 deadites. 433 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Deadites. They're called deadites. What are deades? 434 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Um, 435 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,000 is it a demon? One demon that's infecting multiple people. 436 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,000 It seems to be, doesn't it? I think so. 437 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,000 It's a It's a Kandarian demon. 438 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 I guess it depends when you ask Sam Ray. 439 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Yeah. 440 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,000 And which film you're talking about specifically. 441 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Oh, but I suppose let's talk about Evil Dead 2 specifically because um because yeah, you've got a few cuz and I'm like, are they zombies? Is it a ghost? Is it a demon? And then I guess the answer to that question is yes, 442 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,000 cuz we have all of them. 443 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Yeah. 444 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 And There's no like usually it would really bother me if there were no rules and you just disregarded the rules and you did whatever you wanted. That would I'd find that kind of annoying but I think it because this is just so stupid. 445 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 I just don't care. Yeah. And I just I'm just want to be entertained by it. I just want to have that smile on my face that I have when 446 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Bruce Campbell smashing himself in the face with plays. 447 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Glorious. 448 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Can we just talk about his performance a little bit because 449 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 this this performance, I think, is what cemented him as an icon. 450 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,000 It is next level. He really goes there. And I I can't think of another performance like it. 451 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000 Yeah. 452 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,000 I hesitate to say unmatched because obviously there've been some really ballsy performances since, but just the physicality of it, the the lengths that he was willing to go to, 453 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,000 the the fact that most almost all of the stunts were him. like he really gave it everything. I I don't know. That's so admirable. 454 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Yeah, I know. 455 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Maybe maybe a bit insane. 456 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 It's crazy. Like the the commitment was just it's so impressive. 457 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Yeah. 458 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 And I really admire that. 459 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 He's just throwing himself around. 460 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Yeah. 461 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Or being thrown around. 462 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,000 But also I I also find like Ash is particularly in the third movie, he's not, you know, he's a bit of a d*******. He's a d*******. 463 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Yeah. And it's kind of hard to get that right. I think 464 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,000 you can sort of see him becoming a d******* in Evil Dead 2. 465 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Yeah, you're right. 466 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Because he starts off being like, "Oh, Linda, my love." 467 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Yeah. 468 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Um but then he sort of starts to buy into his own b******* by the end of the movie. He's like,

"I am a hero." Yeah. 469 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Breaking Bruce. 470 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Yeah. 471 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Yeah. 472 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 He sort of Which is weird to kind of say that a film that's only 80 odd minutes long has that sort of character arc, but I think it does. 473 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Yeah. You're right. It does. And did you know the character and I don't think these performances are exactly the same. That's not what I'm saying. But 474 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,000 in terms of the Ash Williams character, I was thinking about Jack Burton because there's a similar 475 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,000 87 476 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,000 86 86 477 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,000 close. Um there's a similar for me anyway quality of these people are not really very good at anything. and somehow 478 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,000 their way into becoming the hero. 479 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Yeah. And I think there's there's an incompetent quality to both of them that I find quite similar, 480 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 but also I really like both of them. Like not that I would think Ash is a decent human being, 481 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 but I really find that character fun. 482 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Weirdly endearing. 483 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Yeah. 484 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Bizarrely endearing. 485 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,000 And I don't know how you do that because if you just just looking at the dialogue like 486 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,000 he looks at the camera and says groovy and and that is the cheesiest thing in the world. Don't get me wrong. But it f****** works. It gives me like flutters. 487 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,000 But the thing that makes it work for me is the way that Bruce Campbell moves his moves his eyebrows up and down. And like Yeah, that I get it 488 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,000 cuz he just wants it to be fun. He's so invested. 489 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,000 I don't think this I think Sam Ramy is an absolutely brilliant director obviously. 490 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Yeah. 491 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Game changer, but I think without Bruce Campbell, I don't think we have Evil Dead. 492 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 I don't think Bruce Campbell's contributions can be overstated. 493 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 And and and and Obviously, I would say the reverse is obviously true as well. Like Bruce Campbell couldn't have done what Ramy did and Remy couldn't have did. They needed each other. 494 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 That's why they're such a good team. 495 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 That's why it's beautiful, Sarah. 496 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Symbiotic. 497 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 I'm going to get a picture frame picture of Sam Ramy and Bruce Campbell and put it next to my bed. 498 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 I'll um I'll photoshop something and just put loads of hearts around the heads. 499 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Yeah. Make a shrine. 500 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Yeah. 501 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,000 And kiss it every night. 502 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Yeah. Alongside the pictures of Frank Gillow. 503 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Yeah. Which is not a joke. This is not a bit. 504 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Nope. 505 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,000 We have a framed picture of Frank Gillo. 506 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,000 Three framed pictures of Frank Gillo. 507 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,000 It's one big frame within it. Smaller pictures of Frank Gill. 508 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Yeah, 509 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,000 because why the f*** not? 510 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Because why not? We're not going to explain why. 511 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,000 It just is. And you have to accept it sometimes, didn't you? Cuz things just are the way they are. 512 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,000 It's because our house is called the Gorilla Pad. 513 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Oh, you explained it. 514 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,000 But we're moving soon, so we have to come up with a new name for the new house, 515 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,000 do we? 516 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Yeah. Cuz this is the Gorilla Pad. 517 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,000 What are we going to do with our Frank Gorilla pictures? 518 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,000 We'll take it with us for posterity. We'll put it in the podcast room. 519 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,000 All right. Um open for suggestions. What should our new house be called? 520 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Votes. 521 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Write in. Text us to um social media at Shoot the Hostage Podcast. Right. 522 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Uh I don't know. I I actually don't know our email address. 523 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Google it. 524 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,000 No, I don't know emails. Just go on social media and DM us. 525 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Yeah. Just just like open your front door. and shout really loudly and on a quiet day we might hear you. 526 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 I won't hear a thing. My hearing is terrible. 527 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Right. I might hear you. 528 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Yeah, you might. Um but yeah, that that that that coupling of um Bruce Campbell and Sam Ramy I think is alltime like actor director collaboration there. 529 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Yeah. 530 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 And the movies 531 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,000 like for some people it's Scorsese and DiCaprio. 532 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Yeah. Or Dairo. 533 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,000 But um 534 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Yeah. But I'm using more current references. But this is the this is the horror version of that. 535 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000 I think so. 536 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000 I'm sure there's

there's others that I I'm not thinking of right now, but but it's so and and Evil Dead one had that notoriety about it. Evil Dead 2 was just a really fun movie that 537 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 people really liked and it really benefited from the VHS era and early internet and stuff and got a lot of buzz about it. Army of Darkness I feel like is the kind of the black sheep of the family a little bit. Like 538 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,000 I feel like that one flew under the radar a little bit. And I can understand why because it's not called Evil Dead, it's called Army of Darkness, 539 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,000 which always f***** me off because if you're somebody who's got a movie collection that you want to be alphabetical, how annoying is that? 540 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Yeah, 541 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 cuz I had them separately for years and it did my head in. 542 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,000 I know, but you're because you're such a such a stickler for following the rules to the letter. See, my rule was if there's a trilogy, you put them together and call them the Captain America trilogy. Never mind if one's called Civil War and one's called the Winter Soldier. You put them together ever cuz they're Captain America. 543 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Oh, it just complicates things though. 544 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,000 It doesn't though. It makes it simpler cuz you're going, "Oh, where the f***** Evil Dead free?" 545 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,000 We're stickers in different ways. Okay. 546 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,000 You have your rules and I have my rules which change to your rules eventually. 547 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Happy wife. Happy wife. 548 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000 That phrase that you love, Sarah. 549 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 I love it when it benefits me. Reverse. Sexism. 550 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Yeah. Touch. Um, Evil Dead too. 551 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Let's talk about the VFX. You teased this. Let's do it 552 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,000 a while ago. 553 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Um, so let's start with the the Harry Hen inspired stuff. 554 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,000 We talked about Harry Hen in your season and he's 555 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,000 we did well back up again now. 556 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 We did in a rap show, didn't we, a little bit and we did um I did I did notice was it was I can't remember what part of the film it is. 557 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Well, he buries Linda's body. 558 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Yeah, it was decapitated Linda, wasn't it? That is attacking him with the chainsaw. 559 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Yeah. And she's like, "Was that a dance?" She's still dancing. 560 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000 It's the dancing. You're right. 561 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,000 And like picks the head back up and puts the head on and then takes the head off again. 562 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000 It's so good. 563 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 How long did that take? 564 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 It looks like stop motion. Let's be honest. It doesn't look seamless. It's a 40 odd year old movie. But oh my god, it's it's magical. 565 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000 It's just we don't need realism. Exactly that. It's so charming. 566 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Yeah. It just And I mean, especially in The Evil Dead, I feel like you can really you if you'd have put 567 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Oh, it's a fantastical movie. Yeah. 568 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Bugs Bunny in there. Like that wouldn't have would have been fine as well. I think it wouldn't matter. 569 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,000 It would have been a little bit weird, but I see what you're saying. 570 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,000 I think I would have just been like, "Yeah, fair. Yeah, tracks 571 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 everything but the kitchen sink." 572 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 But it did look I was thinking for a minute it was the chainsaw bit, but it's not. Um, you're right. It's the dancing part where the She's f****** about with her head. 573 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,000 Yeah. 574 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Yeah. 575 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 It's so cool. And I don't know I don't know who was responsible for that. I probably should have checked. But um but yeah, phenomenal job. 576 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000 I really like all of the blood. I guess I I want to say there's lots of different colored blood and there's lots of it. 577 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Well, so that was another intentional decision to try and avoid an X-rating. 578 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 Yeah. 579 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Which didn't work. 580 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Yeah. Um, but yeah, there's a lot of like black and green and all all sorts of disgusting liquids. 581 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Yeah. Yeah. I wonder how they did the hand the hand situation cuz there's that really lovely and this is my favorite part of the movie. 582 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 Mhm. 583 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,000 It's when he's looking in the mirror and then his reflection reaches out and grabs him. And I thought about triangle in that scene because we've got that really lovely mirror scene in triangle as well. 584 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000 Oh, where the camera sort of seemingly goes into the mirror which is mass like it's wonderfully great. Yeah. 585 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,000 And um this doesn't do that. It just has Ash reaching out and strangling himself and then his hand becomes infected and then his 10 minutes of him fighting his hand. 586 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Yeah. And it didn't occur to me until this viewing that we would never have had idle hands were it not for this movie. 587 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Oh. Was it inspired by this? 588 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,000 Oh, it had to have been.

589 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Was it inspired by the Hand movie? 590 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 The Hand movie. Uh, 591 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000 do you mean talk to me that we just did? 592 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,000 It's just movies about severed hands this season. 593 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 I No, I'm talking about Adam's family values. 594 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Oh, right. Okay. 595 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000 Yeah, that one. What was I talking about? Hands. 596 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Dismbodied hands. 597 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Disembodied hands. That's right. I just love Bruce Campbell in that. I just just f****** about with his hand, fighting his hand. It then 598 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000 that was mostly improvised by him. 599 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Yeah. The the flip the flip is insane. Like I like he has done himself some damage. 600 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Yeah. 601 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000 And it's it's insane. But wow is it entertaining. 602 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Well, was it he must have been in his 20ies. 603 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Yeah. They were both both in their early 20s, I think. 604 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Early 20s. 605 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000 I don't know. 87. Maybe they were like mid to late 20s possibly. 606 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000 In your 20s, you're still bound. 607 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Yeah. You're still pretty indestructible. Yeah. 608 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,000 But I'm sure there was some long-term damage that he that he did there. But I, you know, it we said it earlier, it's worth it for the arc. You know, put the actors in harm's way 609 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,000 and then we get to watch a better thing. 610 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Consent to it. 611 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000 You should like reiterate that. 612 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,000 I would say some of them don't have to consent. 613 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Depends who it is. If it's Jared Leto, do what you want. 614 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Depends who it is. Yeah. Chuck him in the fire pit. It's fine. Chuck him in that pit. Fill it with serpents. Lock the door. Off you go. It's for a movie, Darren. All right. You see him pretending to be a snake in the bottom. Yeah. And then 615 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000 pretending. 616 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000 And then he's joined by James Franco and Army Hammer shortly after. 617 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Yeah. 618 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,000 And Jonathan Major. 619 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Yeah. 620 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000 They're all in there fighting serpents. 621 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000 So each other then 622 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,000 directed by Uveu Ball. 623 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000 I like this movie. 624 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000 I think this movie 625 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 on Ben Shapiro's streaming service 626 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000 on his dime. I think Ben Shapiro should spend the rest of his money on that movie and then it can't secure a release. 627 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Yeah, 628 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 that would make me very happy. 629 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Me too. This podcast just becoming wish fulfillment. 630 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Yeah. 631 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 But just all of that that's that the um the stuff of the hand where it's dragging him along the floor 632 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 and then he eventually cuts it off 633 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000 and then it it just it's its own sentient sentient thing and it's running around the house. And one of my favorite things in in this movie is that for all of the chaos that's going on, all of the demons, all of the zombies, the ghosts, the the trees, the the the the bendy roads, the the bridges that bend upwards for some reason. 634 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000 The map paintings. 635 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Matt paintings. For all of its craziness, the thing that that tips him over the edge is the hand sticking his finger up to him. 636 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Yeah. 637 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,000 You son of a b****. And that really makes me laugh. And oh, it just kills me with everything. 638 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Yeah. 639 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000 And he tries to shoot it with the with the shotgun. I enjoy that so much. And I love seeing his character progression through this movie as well. And it's so satisfying to me 640 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000 when he comes up out of the seller in that in that last act and I'm just like ah he has arrived. Ash Williams is here. 641 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,000 I think the humor is just really well judged in that scene as well. I mean throughout the movie but especially in that in that scene 642 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000 in the basement scene or in 643 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000 with the hand the hand stuff. 644 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Oh, it's great. 645 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Really really well done. 646 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,000 It's the Bruce Campbell show. 647 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000 Yeah. 648 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000 And it's it's the best he's ever done. And I enjoy him in Maniac Cop, don't get me wrong. But 649 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000 yeah, this is this is top 10 performances. Maybe top and comedian performances. 650 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Yeah. 651 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Yeah. 652 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Yeah. Definitely. 653 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 But in terms of the other kind of effects work, there's just I mean, where do you where do we start? 654 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 What what um I mean the makeup's the makeup's great. I love I love the poppy eyeball stuff. 655 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Oh, the eyeball going into the she is

it Bobby Joe going into her mouth. Um apparently they filmed that in reversely. 656 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000 Yeah, she spat the eyeball out of her mouth. 657 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Yeah. Well, I'm guessing probably on a string or something and they pulled it. 658 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 That would make more sense. 659 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Yeah. 660 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Would hurt your cheeks. 661 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Yeah. But um yeah, the poppy eyeball stuff, the Henrietta stuff, 662 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000 and I don't just mean Ted Ramy in a suit, 663 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000 which was great because he's unrecognizable. 664 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Yeah. 665 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000 But also the kind of more grotesque head on a stick Henrietta stuff towards the end. 666 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000 I love that. You know, I'm a sucker for a puppet. Um, and I I love that version of Henrietta with like the snake neck. 667 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Great. Yeah, it's great. And is this is this um 668 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000 is this the movie that started KMBB? 669 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Oh, I don't know. I saw their name in the credits. 670 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 I want to say that maybe it was in the works or some of them met on this one and then by the next film you had K&B. 671 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000 I believe that's the situ. Okay. I can Can you remember the third guy's name? I know it's Greg Nicotero. 672 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Yeah. 673 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Robert Curtsman. 674 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000 Yeah. And 675 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000 And the other guy, 676 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000 Julian. 677 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Julian. 678 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Yeah. 679 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 I feel really bad. 680 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Why? 681 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000 I feel like we should look that up. Um 682 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Oh, right about that. 683 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Yeah. 684 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 I suppose the forgotten third guy. Um the bee of the K&B. 685 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Well, I forgot all of them, so 686 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 I know it's Nicotero, Curtsman, and B. It's It's The Walking Dead people who've done 687 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,000 every movie you've ever seen that's got effects in it. 688 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,000 Yeah. 689 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,000 It's Yeah. They've just unparalleled really, aren't they? Like 690 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 I don't know about unparalleled. They're certainly like 691 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Fair. We probably I probably say that about every time we talk about Stan Winston or 692 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Stan Winston, Rob Boutine. Like we've talked about a bunch of of the greats 693 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000 on this on this show. Rick Baker. 694 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000 There's a reason they keep getting work, I guess. 695 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Yeah. But certainly 696 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000 like hovering around the top. 697 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Yeah, 698 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,000 for sure. 699 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Yeah. Legends. 700 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000 I suppose this movie hinges on a few things. It hinges on Bruce Campbell, but it does also hinge on the the special effects. 701 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Yeah. 702 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 And perhaps that might get um missed sometimes, but they are really fun 703 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,000 and grotesque. 704 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Yeah. 705 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000 And inventive. 706 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,000 And again, another comparison to um Peter Jackson. There's like almost as much fake blood here as there was in Brain Dead. Well, yeah, 707 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 there can't be much in it. 708 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000 I think there was a there was a fake blood blood shortage in New Zealand when Brain Dead was being made when that was in production. 709 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Something that I wanted to ask. So, like that you mentioned it already like the Sam Ramy cam thing like 710 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Yeah, 711 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 in this I guess it's demon cam. 712 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Yeah. 713 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Does that have a name? Cuz it's been 714 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Remy Cam. 715 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Yeah, it's been aped a lot. by other people in the years since. Um, but it's it's so it's so him. 716 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 It is. Yeah. I mean, I I'm I'm curious now, so I'm googling this and I've I've written what is Sam Ramy's camera trick called? 717 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Signature camera trick. 718 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Um, he's shaky cam apparently. 719 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000 b*******. Is that an AI search? And they think like that we're safe from the robots for now. 720 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000 No AI. Um, I said no AI b****. 721 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000 It just says Wikipedia says shaky camera. 722 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000 That's not what we mean. We know what f****** shaking camera is. You clowns. 723 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000 How the Cohen brothers used a shaky cam. That's not what I asked. 724 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Although there is a close connection between the Cohens and Sam Ramy. So 725 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000 yeah, 726 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000 somewhat relevant but not really. 727 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Shared a flat. 728 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000 They did with um Holly Hunter 729 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000 and Francis McDor. It's McDorman. 730 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Yeah. 731 00:12:10,000 -->

00:12:11,000 I I read somewhere that the character of Bobby Joe in Evil Dead 2 was uh based on Holly Hunter. 732 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Yes. And they put her forward for it. 733 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Yeah. They wanted her for the role, but she was deemed not sexy enough. 734 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000 She wasn't hot enough. 735 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000 f*** casting directors. f*** the money people. 736 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000 I agree. 737 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 Holly Hunter's great. 738 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000 Yeah. 739 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 No, I agree. 740 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Ludicrous. Anyway, um what did you think of the the other characters. Let's talk about that for a minute. 741 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000 They are 742 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,000 they kind of don't really register because you're all eyes are on Bruce Campbell, 743 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,000 but they are there. 744 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,000 I suppose out of all of them, it's the um the Annie character that stands out because she lasts the longest. Yeah, 745 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000 there's one one who she's with that's dispatched 746 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000 fairly quickly, I guess. 747 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Not quickly enough for my liking. 748 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Quickly enough. Um and there's there's one of those rules as well that I I love. He he he turns into into a zombie because he was thrown into a mirror. Fine. 749 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000 All right. 750 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000 We're not here to question the mechanics of the plot. Okay. 751 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Yeah. Yeah. I suppose Dan Hicks was fun 752 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000 as the the redneck. 753 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Yeah. 754 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 But um but not much of them that like they're they're not in it for very long. 755 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000 They're they're they're quite rightly on the periphery. I think that was a good move because I mean one glimpse at Bruce Campbell's performance and it It's a pretty safe bet that most people are going to be focused on him, right? 756 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Yes. 757 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,000 So, the others don't really need to do a great deal. 758 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000 I wonder if they're even necessary. I don't I don't know why we I suppose you've got to introduce an element of peril or something like But I don't know. I feel like Bruce Campbell is already doing that. 759 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000 That's just more people to kill, isn't it? 760 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000 I suppose it that's what horror films are to 761 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000 kill. Yeah. Yeah. I suppose so. I suppose you're right. Can't 762 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000 foder 763 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 can't go the whole horror movie without someone being killed, can you? 764 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Yeah, exactly. 765 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000 No, I suppose so. But yeah, I mean, they were fine. They they they were there and they they did the job and 766 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Yeah. 767 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000 I thank them for it and paid them. 768 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Yeah. I didn't love Annie, I'll be honest. 769 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Oh, you didn't? 770 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000 No. And it's not necessarily down to the actress. It wasn't the performance. I don't love how she was written. 771 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000 I don't love that character. Like, I mean, she is in essence the final girl. This film doesn't really have a final girl, but you know, know in loose terms I guess she's our final girl and I don't I don't love that sort of snooty kind of she's just interested in book learning but they needed somebody who could translate the kandari and stuff and 772 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000 yeah 773 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000 I understand why she was there but yeah I didn't love that character 774 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000 she was meant to be the daughter of the 775 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Henrietta 776 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Henrietta and 777 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000 the other guy 778 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000 the professor guy smoking the pipe 779 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000 yeah 780 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000 we'll call him 781 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000 the guy whose fault this all is yeah effectively. 782 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Oh, Kel Sup Priest. Whose fault is it? It's a f****** old white dude with a pipe and a cardigan. Always. 783 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000 There's the theme. We found one. 784 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000 The patriarchy. That could be every film, though. 785 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 Maybe the demon's female. 786 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 I think the demon should be female. 787 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Yeah, I think I think I think you're right. 788 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000 Do you have a favorite gag in this movie. 789 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,000 I mean, I just love the 790 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,000 the hand stuff. 791 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000 Yeah. 792 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Yeah. 793 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000 I I if I had to one single moment, it's it's where he flips himself. 794 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Yeah. 795 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Not in that way. 796 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000 But just where it begins with him hitting himself in the face and the escalation with the plates and then doing the flip. I just I'm so I admire that so much. I admire the commitment so much and it's so enjoyable. 797 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000 It's just really good old school physical comedy. Yeah. 798 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000 And you don't necessarily expect to do that in a film like this. 799 00:13:18,000 -->

00:13:19,000 Yeah. 800 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000 As an extension of that, I think my favorite visual gag is when he puts the pile of books on the hand and on top it's just a farewell to arms. 801 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Yeah, that was really good. 802 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Really, really funny. 803 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Excellent choice, whoever decided on that. 804 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 Was there a Was there a L Street reference in this? Did you mention that? 805 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 So, we see the Freddy Glove twice. 806 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Ah, 807 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000 it's in the workshed. Workshed. Um, what a weird dubbed line. I read something about that. 808 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000 What was this about? A workshed thing. 809 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000 So, it's just um Bruce Campbell says workshed. Yeah. At one point, and there's like a dubbed line, but it kind of became like a running joke behind the scenes for some reason. 810 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Um yes. So, there's the there's a Freddy glove in there 811 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000 and again um we see it in the basement, 812 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000 right, 813 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 when Ash is down there 814 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,000 because there So, this is 87. I believe there was an Evil Dead 2 poster in Dream Warriors or was it Evil Dead Dream Warriors. You left me hanging there. 815 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,000 Sorry. Yeah, I forgot we do that. 816 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 No, there was a there was an Evil Dead one poster in El Street 1, I believe. 817 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Yeah. And then they have like this ongo had 818 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,000 God rest his soul. 819 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,000 Where's 820 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,000 um they had like this really long running series of in jokes, didn't they? Where they would reference one another's movies 821 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000 as a sort of bizarre game of oneupmanship. 822 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Yeah. Fun. 823 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Like a tongue and cheek. know my movie is scarier. 824 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Did I Did I hear at some point that after the success of Freddy versus Jason, there was they were trying to get a Ash versus Freddy versus Jason movie off the ground. 825 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,000 I have no idea. But I hate that. I hate that idea. 826 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000 And I'm a huge fan of Freddy versus Jason. As s*** as it is, it's 827 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,000 not good. 828 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,000 And it is s***. It's 829 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,000 my favorite Evangelene Lily movie. 830 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Well, more so than Ant-Man. Come on. 831 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,000 No, it's not. I 832 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,000 She's She's in it for like five seconds. 833 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,000 That's generous a frame. 834 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Yeah. 835 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Um that movie is rubbish, Sarah. 836 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000 It is rubbish. It's absolute dog s***. However, I enjoy it. 837 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Fair enough. 838 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Same with Jason X. I have so much love for Jason X, but it's turd. 839 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Listen, if you throw Ash in there, you've just sold me a ticket. 840 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000 You've improved exponentially. 841 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000 So, I'm I would I would watch that. 842 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Fair enough. 843 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000 Robert England and Bruce Campbell and the guy that has Jason 844 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000 having a quip off. 845 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Yeah. 846 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,000 And Jason's just been the silent type as usual. 847 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Strong silent type. 848 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Yeah. 849 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Yeah. 850 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Um what do you think about is there's a possibility that Ash murdered Linda and then the rest of it is just he's insane. Is the rest of it is in his mind and this is his way of dealing with it with coping with it. 851 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Well, that is a that is an interpretation. 852 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Is it really? Yeah. 853 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,000 Okay. 854 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 I I don't like that. 855 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 I was going to say, where do you sit on that? You don't like it? 856 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,000 I don't love it. No, I I much prefer just the literal version of events. 857 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,000 I think in a different movie it could be interesting, but I mean I mean we have seen it before, I guess. 858 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Yeah. I think in a in a balls tothe-wall comedy it doesn't necessarily work. No. 859 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,000 And you've already said like this is slapstick to the nth degree. 860 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000 It would be an odd choice, wouldn't it? If if the reveal is Oh, this is really dark because he's murdered his partner. But don't worry, we've had a fun old time. 861 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Yeah, that's that's the Freddy Alvarez version. 862 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Yeah, 863 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,000 let him do that one. 864 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Yeah. Yeah. I don't I Yeah, I It's just something that occurred to me. It's I don't necessarily think that that is a credible theory or, you know, talk about it, 865 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,000 but I don't I can't see that. 866 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,000 I can disregard that pretty quickly, I think. 867 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Yeah. 868 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,000 But it's interesting to think about. Yeah, I think this film is so loose on the rules

in inverted quotes 869 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,000 that you could make that interpretation quite easily, but I don't like it. 870 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,000 They'll probably recon it in Evil Dead for say he did kill his wife. 871 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,000 That one would be directed by Christopher Nolan. 872 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Oh no. And written by Aaron Sin because he can only write dudes. 873 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000 But I love this movie. I love I love these. I love this the third movie. As I said, the third movie is my favorite. 874 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,000 I'm amazed you have haven't made me watch that in the time since watching Evil Dead 2. Actually, 875 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,000 I've in the last few days, you mean? Yeah, 876 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000 I I've thought about it. 877 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000 Yeah, I bet you have. 878 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000 I've watched it couple of years ago. I watch it fairly regularly, I guess. Out of all of them, that's the one that I'll smash on at any point. Just if I don't really know what to do, Army of Darkness will do. 879 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Oh, for me, it's this one. 880 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,000 And and this one could qualify for that, too. But that one just takes it a little bit, I guess, because it's it's not quite as horror. Yeah. 881 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,000 So, it's not I don't have to be quite as like disgusting. She's just eating an eyeball. 882 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,000 That's win. That's that's 883 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,000 the aim of the game for me. 884 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000 Comfort movie for you, isn't it? 885 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Yeah. I think 886 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,000 can't relax without seeing someone chew on an eyeball 887 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,000 or just you wait for next week. Um, 888 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,000 sounds like a bush tucker trial. 889 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 I don't think there's any eyeball stuff, but 890 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000 I am waiting for next week. 891 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 But yeah, I think Evil Dead 2 for me is just one of those films and there aren't that many of them. that any day of the week, no matter what mood I'm in, if you said, "Let's watch watch Evil Dead 2, I wouldn't put up a fight ever." 892 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Yeah, I'm with you. 893 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Yes. Smash it on immediately. Let's have a good time. 894 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,000 I'm with you 100%. I love this movie. 895 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000 I can't imagine ever getting tired of it cuz there's just so much happening. 896 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,000 I just I love the absurdity of the whole thing. Two and three included in that, you know. I I love the alternative um ending of the third movie 897 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 and I wish that was the that was what the theatrical one was, but it it ends on such a crazy note. And I I would love the to have seen what a fourth movie would have done with the with the alternative ending, which I won't spoil cuz it's only 40 years old. 898 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000 It's on you if you haven't seen it, but I guess I'll do the right thing and not spoil it. 899 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,000 But I I think the only thing that annoys me about Army of Darkness is that um Sam Ramy retcons more stuff again because obviously at the end of this movie when he's thrust back in time through the wormhole or whatever. He's sort of like kills a dead eyee and is hailed a hero by Sam Ramy in a director cameo in fact. 900 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000 And then by Army of Darkness, he's a goo he's a doofus again. 901 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Yeah. 902 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 And they cut him off. 903 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Boomstick. 904 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Yeah. So I'm just saying Don Mancini could teach him a thing or two. 905 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,000 Look. And and and they they shot the first movie again for the third movie. They did the recap. again, I believe. 906 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Yeah, 907 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000 it's mad. There's nothing quite like it, which is part of the reason why it's so interesting. I don't care so much that they recon everything. I really admire the Chuck um Child's Play franchise as we discussed in that episode for that same reason. 908 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,000 But I also really like this and sometimes I've just 909 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,000 sometimes if a movie is good enough and entertaining enough, you can just do whatever you want. 910 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,000 It's better than Crime Wave. 911 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,000 Oh, yeah. 912 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,000 I'm still a I'm like harboring a little bit of resentment towards you. for making me watch that piece of s***. 913 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,000 I thought it was, you know, I just thought it would be interesting to watch. I saw the ratings was like, it's not great, but I bet there'll be something to it cuz it's Sam Ray and it was not good. 914 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,000 No, 915 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000 but it's I'm glad that I have seen it cuz it is a reference point now that we can probably forget at some point in the near future. 916 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,000 I'm just have to hope that neither of us suffers a head injury that involves amnesia and we never watch it again accidentally. 917 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Yeah. cuz that would suck. Imagine having to experience it twice. Anyway, 918 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000 once was enough. 919 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,000 Yeah, Evil Dead 2. 920 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Good movie. 921 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,000 It's It's all right. Yeah. Yeah, 922 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,000 it's pretty good. 923 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Four and a half stars. 924

00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Lovely. 925 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,000 As close to perfection as you can get. 926 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Nothing's perfect. 927 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,000 I wonder what would qualify five star movie for you. 928 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,000 The Thing. 929 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Thing. 930 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,000 Yeah. 931 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,000 Yeah. That's the only one. There are others, but they're few and far between. 932 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Yeah. 933 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,000 So, four and a half stars is hella generous for me. 934 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000 That's very That's a very strong I mean, I'm going all the way with this. I'm going five stars for this. I'm going five stars for Army of Darkness. Like, I just love them and I watch them all the time. And it's not My five stars doesn't necessarily mean perfect movie. It just means I really like it a lot. 935 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Yeah. Well, that's for everybody's different parameters for their rating. 936 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Yeah. It's all and it's all bollocks. Oh, I gave this thing three and a half out of five. What does that mean? I don't opinion. It is important now. Whatever. 937 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,000 Why is that? 938 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,000 She says on her podcast. 939 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Yeah, I know. 940 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Oh, at least we know we're not important. 941 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Yeah. We haven't disappeared up our own asses yet. 942 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Yeah. 943 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Take take whatever we say with a grain of salt. 944 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Yeah. If if we're ever like really successful though, like I'm going to turn into a piece of s***. Oh, yeah. 945 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,000 I'm going to be like so demanding. I'm not going to Yeah. I won't talk to people in public. 946 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,000 I'm going to remain humble because I'm a very insecure person. So, I don't foresee that ever happening. f*** that. You've earned it. You get to abuse your driver. Take me here. 947 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,000 Take me here. 948 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000 You're my driver. 949 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Oh yeah. 950 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Don't invite that. 951 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000 And you never abuse me. 952 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000 I would never. 953 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,000 No. Um except 954 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,000 apart from 955 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Yeah. Except earlier you mention you teased about um about the next episode, didn't you? 956 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,000 I did. 957 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,000 So G then episode three of After Death, we've gone Evil Dead 2. Nice fun time out the way. What we doing? for the third episode. 958 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,000 The most harrowing film ever made. No, cuz we've watched Common Sea. 959 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 The The second most harrowing film I've made. 960 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 Uh we're watching Martyrs. 961 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Oh, yay. 962 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,000 It's the film that I designed this entire season around. 963 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Oh, right. 964 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000 So, I'm looking forward to it. Which makes One of us. 965 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,000 I did some of the um I looked through some of the pictures on IMDb the other day when I was making the this schedule post and yeah, I'm 966 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,000 so you've seen some of the tamer stuff. 967 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 It's Yeah, I guess so. I'm really like not really looking forward to this at all in the sense that I just know it's going to be a miserable time and I suspect that's the point, but it's going to be tough and I need to be in a in an okay place, I think, when we watch it. 968 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Yeah, we need some brain bleach immediately afterwards. 969 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,000 So, what you're saying then is I should buy that Roadrunner DVD off of 970 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Roadrunner immediately post Martrys. 971 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Okay, 972 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000 it's the only way. 973 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Let's double bill it. 974 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Okay, 975 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Martyrs and Roadunner cartoons sorted.