บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Protecting the Veteran Brain: Transition, TBI & Building ROE Labs

college. 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.800 That didn't work out due to some injuries. 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:17.519 Um, tried to join again, and they told me I was too old, too injured. 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.000 And I was like, well, damn, what do I do now? 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:28.560 Um and fortunately met some Green Berets uh through a mutual friend, and I was like, shit, better check this out. 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:36.160 Um and honestly looking back, like what a sweet community and like job that is. 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:40.800 Um, and that's where Peyton and I first met back in 2017. 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:44.480 Uh, I think I was in the selection class ahead of you, Peyton. 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:59.600 Um, and he had caught up to us, and we were on like the selection hold where you're you know your feet are broken and you're all hobbling around and standing in formation for eight hours a day getting yelled at from the window by the cadre, like quit talking. 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.399 Uh out front of the uh the stop C building on what is that? 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:06.639 What road is that our dens or Gruber? 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:07.120 Gruber. 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:07.759 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:10.319 Yeah. 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:19.920 Um and you know, fortunately for both of us, we went through the whole course together, like no recycles, no shenanigans on that front. 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.439 Um and kind of became fast friends. 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:30.879 We were probably the two most annoying kids in our soccer class, just constantly talking in class. 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:37.600 Um but yeah, uh met through the key course, Peyton went off to 10th group. 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:39.120 I'll let him talk in a second. 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:40.319 I stopped running my mouth. 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:45.120 I went off to fifth group, um, spent a few years there, and here we are now. 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:46.079 Nice. 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:48.800 Yes, a similar story for me. 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:52.079 I actually never really thought about the military until my uh brother got in. 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:53.839 Um he ended up doing some pretty cool stuff. 00:05:53.920 --> 00:06:04.160 He was an Apache pilot and uh Little Bird pilot in the 160th um at Campbell, and because of that, I, you know, had a bunch of exposure to kind of soft dudes. 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:06.959 And so initially, same thing. 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:10.160 Funny enough, I was looking at the SEALs because I swim my whole life. 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:18.879 Um and then talked to my brother and uh Matt ended up meeting some fifth group guys that he was both friends with and like worked out at a CrossFit gym when I was in college. 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:22.240 I remember talking to one of them, Drew. 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:23.759 If you listen to this, it was great advice. 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.879 I think he's actually a PA now somewhere at

one of the groups. 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:28.800 But he was basically like, yeah, dude, just do it. 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:30.240 And my brother was like, Well, what if it doesn't work out? 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:31.680 And he's like, It'll be fine. 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:37.040 Uh the other thing he told me was shit ends, which I think is some of the best advice I've I've ever gotten in my entire life. 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:41.680 Uh but ended up signing 18x rate contracts actually about a year after college. 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:48.319 I took like a year to make sure it was something I really wanted to do, um, and then decided I couldn't live without knowing if I did it. 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:50.000 And so signed it. 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:52.959 Um, met Corey and Sakum. 00:06:53.199 --> 00:07:00.079 I always say that um, you know, without sounding arrogant, competent people tend to find other competent people. 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:07.360 Um, and it was like pretty you know obvious off the bat that that Corey and some other other friends that we always hung out with kind of what they were doing. 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:14.240 Um and so we stuck together, went all through the Q course, and then yeah, like Corey said, you ended up going to fifth group, and then I went to tenth group. 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:15.360 Yeah. 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.839 It's um it's funny when you look back at your careers. 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:31.439 Did you guys stay together, say like stay in communication, stay in touch throughout the entirety of your time in, or did you guys separate and go about your ways and then reconnect after after the fact? 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:39.920 There's some text in here and there, but I think it was mostly the latter where like we've reconnected. 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:50.720 I was on my way out of fifth, transitioning into 19th group, and I think you still had what a year left or so in a 10th, and uh Yeah, that was October. 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:58.959 Yeah, we and then we we both kind of followed those, got back together again, like, hey, we're getting out of the military now, like what what the hell do we do? 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:03.199 Um, and kind of rekindled that that friendship pretty easily, actually. 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:04.000 Yeah. 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:09.360 I think um the transition as we were talking about earlier, that hits all of us, man. 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:20.879 Uh that identity and purpose, like we hear about it, we a few people may be talking about it, especially if you go to P3, they they might give you a little bit of a heads up on things you have to identify. 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:25.600 But for the most part, like that transition process is pretty difficult. 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:27.439 How did you guys tackle that? 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:36.799 And were you thinking about coming together and developing something at that time, or was this something that was formed like months and months

afterwards? 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:42.080 Um it's actually a little column A, a little column B. 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.519 So for me, for the transition, uh pretty fortunate. 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:48.080 My brother is always like five steps ahead of me with whatever he's doing. 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:51.120 So he got out of the military like three to four years before me. 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:57.840 Um, you know, grad school, the whole kind of the similar path to what I wanted to follow as his own company now. 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:08.000 Um and Corey, when we rekindled that October, funny enough, I was actually going through a bunch of stuff dealing with my last concussion, which is, you know, not in the best spot. 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:17.120 Um ended up all working out, but we were just kind of kept talking as we were both transitioning out and had a mutual understanding and always brought up that we wanted to start a company together. 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:19.519 We just didn't have an idea yet. 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:27.200 Um, and then I'll let Corey jump in here, but the idea kind of came into play once we were both in grad school about what was that, like another year down the road. 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:29.200 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.000 In terms of 24, 25, a little over a year ago. 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:32.559 Last January. 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.039 Yeah, I remember the exact moment. 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:39.120 Uh yeah, like Peyton said, grad school. 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:41.919 So I'm in an NBA program in Northwestern. 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:51.440 Um I don't know, they let me in for some reason, but uh I don't I I don't know if you know anything about NBA, grad school. 00:09:51.919 --> 00:10:07.120 Um there's a lot of different options that can come out of that, like consulting, banking, yeah, uh Fortune 500 marketing, you know, all the classic business professions, and I just I couldn't get excited about any of those. 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:13.679 Um I looked at entrepreneurship through acquisition, which is just a fancy, dumb way of saying buying a business. 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:25.360 Um I remember the exact moment I was sitting in my managerial accounting class learning about something that was horribly boring. 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:37.279 Um I I was thinking back to my time in the military, honestly, and at Refresher, specifically for the medics, um, they always gave a supplement class. 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:43.840 And I know Peyton and I have always been in uh been into the the fitness world quite a bit. 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:55.600 Uh and so I had a little bit of knowledge about supplements, but specifically supplements for brain health, um is what they discuss at Refresher. 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:01.440 And you know, namely it's creatine, omega-3s, vitamin D, or the big trio. 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:19.200 And there's some other fringe ones that come in and out of conversations, um, but those are kind of the three that have been around for the longest and the most talked about, the most researched, and uh like basically ran out of class and called a paint right away, and I was like, this is it, dude. 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:22.320 Like, why don't we take these ingredients? 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:24.639 I mean, there are some iterations along the way. 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.159 Um, I think we kind of went down some really stupid rabbit holes for a while. 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:30.320 I guess one does. 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:49.200 Um we kind of whittled the whittled this formula down um and wanted to combine it into an all-in-one formula that was properly dosed according to what the research says, what the experts say, what's actually working in the in the field. 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:58.000 Um and you know, then it was now we're just stumble fucking our way through this thing ever since. 00:11:58.159 --> 00:11:59.440 So the Green Beret method. 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:00.960 Yeah. 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:03.279 Don't complain in Floyd. 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:05.919 Well 18 Bravo coming out, you know? 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:09.840 Absolutely, man. 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:20.320 And and Peyton, you're getting your um you're you went, you initially wanted to do the PA route, and you're actually you're into something completely different now. 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:21.440 What is that? 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:32.000 Yeah, I was uh I think about going to med school to be a trauma surgeon like every 18 Delta ever, um, or like a PA, and I was just like convinced. 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:34.159 I was like, once I get this, people will respect me. 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:35.519 The Green Beret's not enough. 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:37.840 Like once I become a doctor, like that's really gonna do it. 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:43.200 And it, you know, it's actually funny when I um my brother kind of helped got me through this, and Corey actually did too. 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:49.600 When we reconnected that October on 23, I remember we had a phone call in the car, and I was telling him I was like, you know, just kind of rethinking everything. 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:58.240 And I was like, am I doing this again because this is like this thing that I'm chasing, like this prestige or whatever, or is this something that I really want to do? 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.039 And it was a combination of different things. 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:10.240 You know, I don't really want to spend eight years at the bottom again, as you know, you can call me a pussy or whatever, but I just didn't want to go all the way through med school, be a resident, and then be 40 and making$60,000 a year. 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:14.240 I was like, yes, as cool as that would be, not what I really want to do with my life. 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:19.039 Uh I mainly care about helping people, is the same reason I became an 18th adult in the first place. 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:24.080

Um, and I think there's what doctors do is incredible work. 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:29.679 I think people need to do it, but I think there was better applications and a broader reach that I could do where I still was able to help people. 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:33.360 Um, and it also selfishly had like better financial incentives for me. 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.200 So I ended up finding this program at Cornell. 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:45.200 And by saying finding this program at Cornell, I mean Cornell was the only program for computational biology, which I basically decided I wanted to do something with AI and medicine. 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:51.440 They were the only program that had an application date that was after December 5th when I made this decision. 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:56.480 Literally, the day that I made the decision, I was like looking up all the big programs that I probably wouldn't have gotten into anyways. 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:00.000 But it was like Yale, Harvard, like all these schools, and the deadline was like that night. 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:01.600 And I was like, well, that's not gonna happen. 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.240 And for whatever reason, Cornell's was February 2nd. 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:04.799 Um, Dr. 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:07.519 Madsen, if you hear this, thank you for letting me in. 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:10.960 But I ended up, or February 1st, excuse me, the next year. 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.919 I ended up, you know, having enough time to get the letters of recommendation, everything together, you know, did the application. 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:17.360 Um, it worked out. 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:25.679 My CSP was at Mount Sinai here, doing research and um kind of uh computer vision problems for biomedical imaging. 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:32.960 So CT scans, MRI, stuff like that, segmenting out tumors with like your typical like AI model that you hear of today. 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.279 Um and I think that helped me get in. 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.440 But long story short, I ended up getting into this program, which I do really love. 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:48.960 Um, and I just kind of wanted something tangentially related to medicine where I could bring a little bit of my clinical background to it, slash trauma medicine background to it. 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:56.080 Um, but then also I had some coding experience from undergrad and like I wanted to kind of get something that would feature-proof it. 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.240 Uh, all that being said. 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:00.639 This episode is brought to you by Pure Liberty Labs. 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.240 Quality supplements designed to elevate your health and performance. 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:13.279 Check out their full line of quality supplements, whether you're looking for whey protein, pre-workout, creatine, or super greens drink, Pure Liberty Labs has you covered. 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:17.279 Use my code securityHALT10 at checkout today. 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:23.440 Corey came to me with this idea of this company, which honestly has nothing to do with my degree besides the fact that we read a ton of research. 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.799 I read a ton of research anyways, and I do research, which it does help. 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:39.360 Um and there's some future directions that we want to go in that would be um pertinent to the degree, but yeah, you know, that's the the long route of how I ended up kind of getting this degree and then also, you know, doing this at the same time. 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:40.080 Yeah. 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:55.600 It it seems like it's it you can bridge the, you know, bring two worlds together in order to give this this new endeavor a solid foundation that says, like, hey, we're not just two dudes mixing chemicals in a bathtub. 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.279 That was the big thing we wanted to avoid. 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:06.480 Yeah, that was like honestly the big thing, not to disparage anybody, but like a lot of the kind of self-made companies that we see come up. 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:09.919 Um, you know, it's not to say they're mixing it in their garage or whatever. 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:13.200 And I have immense respect for anyone that's willing to start a business. 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:20.960 Um, but I think it's honestly like borderline dangerous when you kind of start to do that stuff and make some of these weird claims. 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.960 And so we just wanted to stay away from all that and just be like, hey, this is what works. 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:29.759 Like, let's talk to the experts, let's iterate on this and let's find something that actually solves this problem. 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:44.639 You know, not I shouldn't say solve this problem, but actually, you know, has the potential to help address or mitigate some of the effects of this problem according to the research, um, and kind of bring it to people in a in an effective way that's easy to maintain compliance with. 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:46.240 Yeah, absolutely, man. 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:57.679 It's people are going to find this product and they're already hurting, they're already trying to solve an intimate issue with their body, their brain. 00:16:57.840 --> 00:16:58.720 You only have one. 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:04.079 Like you can take, you can go on a lot of cycles of some garbage supplements and still be okay. 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:12.799 But when you're looking for help with brain inflammation, you know, the issues of the cognitive ability, like you really have to put something on the market that has something solid. 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:13.920 It's the backing. 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:25.680 So kudos to you guys for being willing to dive into not only how to run a business and how to market it, but have the credentials or something in the background that says, okay, we're not just assholes out here trying to sell you steak oil.

00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:27.519 We want to send you something good. 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:38.720 And and diving into that now, like, yes, there's a lot of white paper studies out there, there's a lot of information, but it can almost be like you're inundated with what to take, how to take it. 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.519 How did you guys decide on the proper protocol? 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.319 And what was that journey like to go through? 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:45.200 Are we doing a gel? 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:46.559 Are we doing a gel cap? 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:48.480 Are we what's going to be the dosing for this? 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:49.519 How did that come about? 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:54.000 And how many nights did you stay up trying to figure it out? 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:56.799 Yeah, you know. 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:01.759 That was honestly our biggest time suck, I guess. 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:02.880 We'll call it that. 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:14.240 Um I think that at the crux of it, like Peyton said, like we wanted something that was studied and researched backed. 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:23.279 Um and I don't know how many phone calls we've had, but I mean we're just being the annoying people sending out emails constantly until you respond type people. 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:50.079 Um unfortunately, you know, I don't know if it's our backgrounds or our.edu email addresses that we have, the good fortune of using right now, but we've had pretty good response rates from you know dietitians at the highest levels of the military, uh, pro-sports leagues dietitians, neurologists, several neurologists in the in the pro-sports world, um in the military, researchers in the military at all levels. 00:18:50.319 --> 00:19:12.160 Um and you know, between talking to them, what's been published publicly online, um, what we what we were told while we were active duty, um, and then talking to guys and gals still doing the job, getting exposed to overpressure, or you know, any sort of repetitive hit non-concussive hit to the head. 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:16.480 Um I mean that's how we whittled it down. 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:18.799 Um at least for the ingredients. 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:23.440 We started what pain, we have we've got three three main actives right now. 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:25.759 The creatine omega 3s, vitamin D. 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.039 We started with like eight or nine. 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:43.440 Um based on, you know, probably more so fringe research or like a one-off study here and there, and we're like, man, this isn't this doesn't align with what's being pushed out to the community. 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:48.799 This doesn't align with the majority of the research, what the experts are saying. 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:56.000 Like, why are we trying to get fancy with something where people want to take these other supplements? 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:05.599 Fantastic, but we just wanted to stay very focused on what was More heavily researched and what the actual smart people were recommending. 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:12.160 As far as format, so this is a big big topic for us. 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:13.440 Like, do we do pills? 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:16.240 Do we do like a food? 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:19.359 Do we do like um a powder? 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:39.839 Um and you know, for multiple reasons we chose this sachet style, like individual packet, much like a honey stinger energy gel or a goo energy gel, where people can just rip the top, suck it back, and they get all of the supplements in one skull. 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:43.920 Um I'll have to remember to take three, four, or five different things. 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:54.799 Um it the single serving helps preserve what's in the the packaging versus a jar or something that you constantly open and close and expose to oxygen. 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:58.400 Um things, especially like omega-3s, can go rancid very quickly. 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:12.000 Um I I think bottom line just ease of travel, ease of use, and the sample that we have tastes really good. 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:15.519 So it's something that like I want to take every day. 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:17.119 Um that makes sense. 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:20.160 Versus like having to suck down eight soft gels. 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:24.000 I'm like, god damn it, like I don't I don't want to do this anymore. 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:30.799 I take six, I take six every day just for my because I everything that we have in our our supplement, like I take every day already. 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:39.200 Um, you know, kind of practice 23 each, and I think I'm at eight pills, six of which are um fish oil pills. 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:51.119 I go through three bottles of a one-month supply, so technically a three-month supply every month um from this huge, very, very well-known brand to get the same amount of DHA and EPA. 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:55.839 Um, I'm fortunate to still have my 50% off discount from them from when I was at groove. 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:59.119 So I will not say the brand, so hopefully they don't take that away from me. 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:04.240 Um and then I take their creatine and their vitamin D in their case. 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:06.880 That's eight pills plus a scoop of creatine. 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:08.720 Obviously, you can't take it all at once. 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:13.200 Like it has to be at most two separate mediums, the water and the pills. 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:18.240 Um, and then as soon as you put that creatine in water, you basically have to take it. 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:24.079 I mean, it starts to there's new forms of creatine out now, and we can get kind of more into how we solved that problem. 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:25.680 That was one of the big problems we had to solve. 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.680 But um I'll kind of run over the same timeline as Corey when you came in this idea. 00:22:29.759 -->

00:22:31.920 I I originally envisioned it as like a powder. 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:42.160 And then very quickly we realized that like while powdered omega-3s exist, when you mix them in water, it's gonna look like when you stick oil on top of water and no one wants to drink that. 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:42.640 Yeah. 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:50.640 Beyond that, when you think of it for actual military applications and not somebody just drinking it in their apartment in New York City like me. 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:56.079 Um, no one wants to go into the field for four days, mix this in their canteen on the first day, and have it taste like shit for the next three days. 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:57.200 Like, that sucks. 00:22:57.440 --> 00:22:58.640 That's like the worst thing in the world. 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:12.079 I mean, I remember like, yeah, you know, everyone had like their, you know, in Ranger's Fool, like their electrolyte um specific one or whatever, or the one that I would mix all the MRE sugary powders in and the other one that was just pure water. 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.319 Um, so that was a big problem. 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:18.880 And then the other thing we did was we did all this market research and we're like, why does this not exist yet? 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:25.839 And it's because creatine isn't stable in a liquid, which I personally, for all my sub-bit knowledge, had no idea about until we started looking into this. 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.359 Um, it turns into creatinine almost instantaneously. 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:44.880 By almost instantaneously, what I mean is not every single creatine molecule is immediately turning into creatinine, but you start, you know, this typical chemical reaction that if you remember from high school, where you start convertible molecules, the problem is there is no equilibrium and creatinine can't go back to creatine. 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:46.000 It's a closed-range structure. 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:51.599 So once it goes to creatinine, it's effectively useless and it's not going back, um, which is a huge issue. 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:59.759 And it's like Yeah, it, you know, it just kind of reminds me of when I used, because Corey and I both used to be in the weightlifting CrossFit World. 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:04.640 And when I used to coach weightlifting and stuff, I remember I don't remember what the drink was, but they had like a gram of creatine at the gym. 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:07.119 This was before any of the liposomals or anything else came out. 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:10.000 And just looking back on it now, it's effectively useless. 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:21.279 Um, and one of our biggest things was like, you know, yes, we're gonna probably have applications outside the military, but this is for the military in general, not just soft, but the entire military. 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.440 Um, and we think everybody should be taking these things. 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:27.119 I I personally don't care if you get it from us or somebody else, I still think you should be taking it. 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:34.799 But if you are getting it from us, um, it's an absolute must that you're getting the amount of creatine that we say you're getting. 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:41.599 Um, and so if we're giving you something that's five grams of creatinine, like it's just uh, you know, it's lying at that point, which I refuse. 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:49.599 I just yeah, I would just never um, you know, I think one of the most important lessons you learn at group is is reputation is everything. 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:51.599 Um and it's the same thing with us. 00:24:51.680 --> 00:25:06.960 Like, we don't, and that's part of the reason why it's taken us a year to do this, is because we're not gonna put out some, you know, half-baked, just shitty product and then give it to people who are actually depending on this to potentially help mitigate the effect of something that is very dangerous. 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:15.039 Um and you know, the risk we take with that is like sure somebody could come along and rip us off like faster out of a garage thing, like we said. 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:30.799 But we think at the end of the day, doing it the right way with the third-party certifications, the stability testing, and and you know, I'm going off on a bit of a tangent here, but figuring all that out and then bringing it to people and then giving them something that, you know, we trust and we know works, um is a better method of doing it. 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:42.079 So we eventually settled, like Corey said, on the gel, um, which we have done a lot of stability testing on, and we basically found uh a way to do it where the creatine is stable. 00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:53.839 And so we, you know, and we're also there's certain standards that you have to put in to make sure that it's you know a little overloaded so that when you check the dose and it's third-party certified, you actually have the dose in there. 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:58.559 So it'll be third-party certified that hey, how much creatine we say is in there is actually in there. 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:15.039 And then we also do independent stability testing that shows you, like, hey, over XYZ amount of time, we have you know, this much degrade, which some will degrade it always does, but it's gonna be on the the order of 5% in a way that the amount that we put in there, you still have five grams after all that degradation. 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:16.640 So we settled on the gel. 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.319 Um, and then besides that, like Corey said, just talking to all these experts. 00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:40.000 Um, you know, I wish we could say we did this on purpose, but we kind of, you know, whatever, cats out of the bag, uh accidentally, I mean, we did it in a clinically dosed way, obviously, following, but that accidentally put it in a perfect ratio for multiple servings, which Corey

hasn't hit on yet. 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:52.160 And so one of the most interesting things is talking to all these people and all these different units that run breaching courses or um go through higher level courses, you know, in the upper, upper echelons of special operations. 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:57.039 Uh, they modulate how much creatine, fish oil, everything else they take. 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:02.799 Um, so they'll start at, you know, maybe five grams of creatine, two grams of DHA, one gram of EPA. 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.480 Um, if they're, you know, loading up for something, they'll double that. 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:10.960 If they're going through something that's got a ton of blast overpressure, they will triple it. 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:16.480 Um, and so it's the perfect ratio that you can take one, two, three of these a day, and it's very easy to do so. 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:21.440 Um, and then, you know, after talking to these experts, our vitamin D was a little too high at first. 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:28.319 And so we lowered that again to facilitate this ability that, you know, it's very easy to take multiple of these. 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:32.640 Because that's the other thing, too, is I think a lot of people are afraid of creatine and some of this other stuff. 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:33.119 I know. 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:42.160 I'm not sure um about when you went through your selection, Denny, but even when we went through everything in the Q course in 2017, creatine was banned. 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.240 If you got caught with creatine, it was a big deal. 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.720 Creatine causes dehydration, not true. 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.119 Creatine causes muscle cramps, also not true. 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.000 Creatine's bad for endurance, which is total. 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.200 Yeah, which is all of it is total bullshit. 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.079 You know, the army's very reactionary. 00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:02.319 It's gonna take, yeah, hair loss is like another one, also not true. 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:05.440 But it's it's funny because it's actually the opposite. 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:09.759 Like I we posted a research article, I think, a couple weeks ago, you know, kind of busting the mist with creatine. 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:12.240 And this guy did a literature review with over 60 different sources. 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.240 Creatine actually hydrates you better. 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:19.759 Um, you do gain a little bit of wire weight during the initial loading phase during the first week, but then that basically goes away and you even out. 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:21.839 Uh, it's better for endurance. 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:27.519 Uh, it doesn't cause muscle gramps, like I said, you know, almost the opposite effect, like you're more hydrated. 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:35.279 And and so, uh, anyways, we we basically settled on this ratio and this perfect gredients in this format. 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:44.720 Um, with the understanding that, and the last thing I'll say on this is that um you sort of have to play the game, which I hate saying, but it's true. 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:49.839 Uh, especially going into Ranger School, it's like I remember everyone telling me, like, hey, play the game, do you play the game? 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:50.720 And I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:51.200 Then I got there. 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:53.920 I'm like, I'm gonna play the fucking game, I'm not staying here longer than 61 days. 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.240 I was like, I will suck whatever dick I have to. 00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:57.839 I'm not fucking staying here. 00:28:58.079 --> 00:28:59.519 I'm not sucking this dick. 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:00.240 All right. 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:00.799 All right. 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:01.119 Yeah. 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:07.200 And it's just, you know, for lack of a better phrase, kind of in the supplement world. 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.640 This episode is also brought to you by Precision Wellness Group. 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.920 Getting your hormones optimized shouldn't be a difficult task. 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:14.480 And Dr. 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:17.119 Taylor Bosley has changed the game. 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:22.000 Head on over to Precision Wellness Group.com, enroll, and become a patient today. 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.359 The fringe stuff that Corey talked about, like some of it may work. 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:35.039 We, you know, the research just isn't there yet, and I'm not gonna um say that anybody that does their own research that wants to take those things, as long as it's safe to take, like, obviously, don't take anything weird. 00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.240 Um, go ahead and take them if you feel benefit, like, great. 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:49.440 Uh, but a lot of the medical community, um, and we've run into this a little bit, is not fully behind the supplement thing, like most of the guys that are actually experiencing these problems are. 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.519 Um, you won't get laughed out of a room these days, but a lot of them are still skeptical. 00:29:53.680 --> 00:30:03.119 And I think that you kind of need to meet them halfway with kind of the things we picked, where it's like, hey, these three are proven by dozens of studies each. 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.680 Like we know these work, we we know they work in these doses, we know that this route works. 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:15.519 Um, you know, you don't need to take IV, like you're good to uh take it, uh, what is it, Corey parentally? 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:16.720 What is GI? 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:17.519 Orally. 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:20.000 But orally. 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:30.880 And kind of just meeting these guys halfway so that when we come to them with this product, because at the at the end of the day, we could start sticking some of this other stuff in there that may or

may not work. 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:45.759 Uh but then if we bring that product to somebody in the military and we try and make it so that guys don't have to buy this on their own, that's kind of gonna be where the buck stops, and they're gonna be like, hey, like we love everything in this but this, like, we're not gonna pay for this, like we're not gonna procure it. 00:30:45.920 --> 00:31:00.240 Whereas if we have these three proven things that we know work, that we know all the dietitians are behind and they're already supporting, um, and there's nothing nefarious going on, like, then we can get it in the guy's uh hands without them paying for it, and maybe the military kind of procuring it. 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:16.079 And so um that's kind of the other thing we're trying to do is just you know, not play the game, but make sure that we're very, very strictly adhering to the science um in a way that the world's foremost experts like don't really have any room to argue with this one. 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.079 Yeah, it's a smart fucking move. 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.759 Um a lot of people tend to say Oh, go ahead. 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:23.039 I'm sorry, Denny. 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:36.640 Um just king uh along those lines, like all the ingredients that we chose have dual use, like creatine for brain health, omega-3 is brain health, sure, but they also have other uses. 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:41.759 Like creatine is the most studied supplement of all time, maybe outside caffeine. 00:31:42.240 --> 00:32:02.880 Um and but it has athletic benefits, muscular benefits, endurance benefits, omega-3s, same thing, inflammation benefits, heart health benefits, vitamin D, same thing, bone health, um, antioxidant benefits, like so you're you're getting a lot in this one little package. 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.279 Brain health is our primary mission. 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.400 Um that's that's what we are aligned with. 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:13.839 That's the communities that are exposed to repetitive, non-incompassive hiss to the head. 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:22.160 That's who we want to support, whether that's military support or you know, the mom and dad that goes to judo class on Fridays. 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:22.799 I don't know. 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:27.839 Um But you're also getting the other benefits that these supplements have. 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.319 Whereas some of these French supplements, it's like take this for brain health. 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:33.680 Like, what else does it do for you? 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:35.200 Like, I I I don't know. 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:36.960 So um, yeah. 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.920 Yeah, it's really important uh to have that clarity of thought. 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:51.440 A lot of guys get out and they want to enter a world and they immediately say, Well, fuck the man, I'm gonna do it my way, but you gotta look at the bigger picture. 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:57.599 If you ultimately want to help and serve your brothers and sisters in arms, you you gotta toe the line. 00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:59.279 You gotta be within the standards. 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:04.000 It's one of the the things we're we're still hearing about, you know. 00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:25.440 These supplement bans, these lists that float around within our military community of supplements that you know, you the last thing you want to have this amazing company providing this great product, and it's not third-party tested, and something gets in one of the pouches, and somebody gets popped on your analysis for something that's banned. 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:26.880 Just ended a career. 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:34.160 Yeah, you wanted to help the community, but at the end of the day, you didn't do the right things, you didn't take the right steps, and now somebody's suffering from it. 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:53.680 Um it makes sense to make sure that you are meeting the standard or exceeding the standards so that you can go to pop us off and say, Hey, we have a supplement for for our guys from the community that should be in their kit bag, that should be in every Thor three uh recovery room. 00:33:53.839 --> 00:34:07.920 Every dietitian should be saying, Hey, grab a bag full of these the moment you start friggin' having your your headaches, the moment you start having issues sleeping, like, or you've been diagnosed you had a TBI, start taking this. 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.360 And along that route, what is the proper protocol for take? 00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:23.280 Is it just taking it daily, or do you guys have um a list of like protocols for guys that are actively are recovering from a TBI, from you know going to a breaching course? 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.920 So daily, yes. 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.880 Like this is something I take every day, like that's another crazy math. 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.480 Like you have to you have to cycle it. 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:33.679 That's bullshit, it's not true. 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:34.800 You don't need to fucking do that. 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.360 You don't develop a tolerance to any of these things. 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.960 Um, the only thing, and we actually lowered the vitamin D dose because of this, is vitamin D is fat soluble. 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.599 It is possible to continuously build it up in your fat. 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:51.199 Um, if you had some crazy other amount of exposure, and we lowered the vitamin D dose to mitigate that. 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:56.000 Um, and most guys should be doing the Thora 3 labs, regardless if they think they're stupid or not. 00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:57.679 It's important you should do it. 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.079 Um, and that'll tell your vitamin D levels, anyways. 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:16.079 As far as recovering from TBIs and everything else, that's something where we're basically going to arm um Intrepid Spirit, hopefully, or your doctor or whoever it is

with this product, and that's something for them to decide. 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:17.679 There's a lot of research out there. 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:20.000 People do different dosages after TBIs. 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:26.159 There is interesting research that supports that EPA, omega-3s. 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:27.599 I think this was a posted on Instagram. 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:29.360 We did on Instagram like three weeks ago. 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:35.199 Uh basically the subjective time until symptoms disappeared and it was in adolescence. 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:36.159 It might have been creatine. 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:36.480 I can't remember. 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:37.039 It was one of the two. 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:38.000 Yeah, it was creatine. 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:39.039 Yeah, it's creatine. 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:39.199 Yeah. 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:43.360 Post TBI, they basically found that um and they gave them large amounts. 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:52.639 And so we're not doctors, and so you know, I don't want to, it's and it's also, I'm sure, gonna be different for everybody because the other thing, too, is a lot of this stuff is weight-based. 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.360 Um, so if you're 160 pounds, like you should probably be taking one a day. 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.920 If you're an absolute fucking unit like Nick Lavery, maybe you're taking two a day. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:03.360 Like maybe that's like your baseline. 00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.960 Like, you probably need 10 grams of creatine when you're 260 pounds. 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.280 Um, it's just like, you know what I mean? 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.440 And it's just that was one of the biggest things that I've been useful. 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.280 Yeah, it's like a lot of these studies too. 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:14.239 Will do stuff, dude. 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.800 I remember when I was in the Q course, I saw him starting to go off track. 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:22.960 I saw him working out at Ritz Epps doing, I was, and I'm not like the strongest dude, but I'm pretty strong. 00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:27.519 And I think I was squatting like 315 for like sets of five or something. 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:29.199 True squat test to grass. 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:33.199 And I look over and he's doing 315 onto a box with one fucking leg. 00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:35.920 And I was like, holy shit. 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:37.360 I was like, I didn't know. 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:40.800 Yeah, I didn't know he was at the time. 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:41.679 I was like, holy shit. 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:42.320 One leg. 00:36:42.559 --> 00:37:00.880 Um yeah, and then as as far as your question with the breaching stuff and and everything else, um, you know, I I'm gonna say I'm gonna give the guidelines that we know another soft community has, which they basically how they do it is it would be one packet a day uh for maintenance. 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.599 If they're heading

to a breaching course, they would load up with two to three a day. 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.800 While they're in the course, they would do probably three a day. 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.159 And then after the course for a week or so, they would do two to three a day. 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:18.559 Um but the cool thing about this is I'm sure units are gonna want to experiment with their own stuff, dietitians are wanting to experiment with their own stuff. 00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:26.400 And so I think for us, it's more about just arming them with the ease of use and the ability to do this in a way that guys are gonna maintain compliance with it. 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:35.360 Because, you know, I know a lot of guys that if you told them, like, hey, take this jug of creatine, take these 18 fish oil bottles, this bottle of vitamin D, and all this other shit with you, they'd be like, Yeah, fuck off, dude. 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:36.239 I'm not doing that. 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:46.400 Um, but if you can just have something that's in a box like uh drip drop that the Delta just takes in his you know, Delta boxes, which no one fucking ever knows what's in those things, anyways. 00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:51.760 And if the Delta just like takes over boxes, yeah, and you hand them out, like you know, problem solved. 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:53.840 Um I will I will push back gently on that. 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:55.679 I do know what's inside those boxes. 00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:00.079 A lot of headlamps and awesome trauma scissors, and I'm stealing every one of those fucking. 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:00.880 Yeah, it's true. 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.400 And trauma scissors end up getting blunted. 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:13.119 It's like the Bravo is using the fucking trauma scissors to cut open old uh 556 casings, and it's like, why the fuck are my trauma scissors just flat right now? 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:14.000 Guilty. 00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.079 Guilty as charged. 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.519 I always used to get yelled at for how many boxes I would bring on trips. 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.639 Like, dude, do you need this many fucking boxes? 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:26.480 Oh, do you want to die? 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:35.360 Everyone made fun of us until they found out we could order Pelican cases in the class 8 order, and they're like, oh, these deltas might be onto something here. 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:37.920 You give it out the game, dog. 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:39.760 Don't put that shit out there. 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.960 But uh, the watermelon drip chop. 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:43.599 Oh. 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.719 Or flavor of drip chop. 00:38:49.119 --> 00:39:00.960 But yeah, the the long, you know, the the short answer to your question is, you know, hopefully at the end of the day, this is something that we would love to see on med orders that teams can order individually, or if the dietitians want to order it and supply to the teams, that's fine. 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:12.400 And then at the group level or unit level, you know, whatever if it's the regular army at the company level, battalion med, whoever your equivalent of that is, kind of directs you on, like, hey, you're going to this course, like you guys should be doing this. 00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:22.159 Um Danny, there's a um really, really cool legislation coming down the pipe. 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:29.039 In National Defense Allocation Act for the 20, I guess they're in doing 2026s right now. 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:37.920 Uh basically it for those that don't know, it allocates where money goes within the Department of Defense or how they can spend money. 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:49.840 Um and there's a cool line item in there which allows SOCOM um to purchase supplements for their people. 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:59.840 Um you know, obviously we would love to be the forerunner on government contracts, but like if guys and gals. 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:07.440 Can get this stuff what they need to do their jobs better and to live a better life after they get out. 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:13.199 Like it was just really cool to see the government's actually pushing for this. 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:19.599 Um, which I think it's just been a long time coming, and unfortunately things take forever with the military. 00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:24.320 I mean, look at the PACT Act, look at Agent Orange, it's like, man, this stuff didn't exist. 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:25.199 Not our fault. 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:27.280 You guys are fine, it's something else. 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:32.960 And then, you know, how long ago, decades later, it's like shit. 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.840 Like we screwed up. 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:40.159 And I I think blast overpressure is following this trend. 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.639 Where, you know, the HL shock back in World War II, I think it was first talked about. 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:45.039 Yep. 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.199 When like the first artillery started World One, okay, I said even longer. 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:54.719 Um, you know, they had developed the technology for those heavy weapons. 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.760 Um, and like it it was talked about then. 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:04.320 I don't know why it's a stretch now for people to get their heads around, no pun intended, of like, hey, this is like damaging stuff. 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:09.760 And even and even small arms can cause overpressure. 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:22.800 Like I remember days in the shoot house where I'm an idiot and didn't put my suppressor on um because I didn't want to walk around with like a whatever it was, 21-inch gun trying to peek around a corner. 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:27.039 Um, but man, he'd leave the shoot house driving home and like, man, my head kind of hurts. 00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:35.679 I just chalked it up to like dehydration or like you know, the stress of especially when you're a new guy, it's like,

oh god, don't shoot anybody. 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:50.960 Um and it's but you know, maybe that was overpressure from that you know, 1.6 psi coming off of an M4, but you're in a concrete building, and so you're getting a lot of reflected waves as well. 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:59.360 Um and you know, dabbing the weapon systems, and this this this isn't just a soft problem, and I I want to be very clear about this. 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:14.239 Like, we are not a soft specific company, even though we come from a community, like it's been really sobering to have some conversations with mortarmen, with artillerymen. 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:20.719 It's like, man, those guys eat I think one guy said he fired 500 rounds in a day of like 120s. 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:22.559 I was like, what the fuck? 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:29.039 That like a lot of these jobs have way more overpressure exposure than I ever had. 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:35.679 Yeah, some of the earliest, most damning studies were done by Rand, and it was our field artillerymen. 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:36.320 Yeah. 00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:37.039 Yeah. 00:42:37.280 --> 00:43:04.880 And they made a lot of modifications to those weapons, um, with like like porting the front, and I mean they've made some changes to those weapon systems, but still, like I read an article the other day, like, depending on where you are, if they're like the RSO or if you're the the recorder or all these job positions that I'm not 100% sure of, but depending on where you are around the gun, same thing with mortars, same thing with Carl G's and shoulder fired weapon system, like that overpressure hits, and it's like it's a real real thing. 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:19.360 And you know, riding the lightning on a on a 120 looks cool for videos and pictures, but like your hood is above the muzzle line of that weapon, like that overpressure is going straight in your your head. 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:28.639 Maybe you don't feel the effects one day of training, a year of training, but I'm sure you, Denny, like 20 years. 00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.079 And other guys like Kyle, I know you had Kyle on the show the other day. 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:33.280 Shout out to him, great guy. 00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:37.199 Went to dive school with him, bubble ass warrant, doing dive, crazy. 00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:44.960 Like 20, 25 years of doing this stuff, you know, soft, big army, what whatever, it doesn't matter. 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.119 Like you're in the military exposed to this stuff, it adds up. 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.679 That's why it's called cumulative exposure. 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:52.559 Exactly. 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:56.719 And it's it's not something that you see on somebody's face. 00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:07.119 Like, no, certainly you'll see somebody having immediate effects, but for a vast majority of guys that are truly affected by careers in this, this is a great thing about what you guys are doing. 00:44:07.280 -->

00:44:09.360 You're providing something for right now. 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:23.760 Yes, there's we need desperate, we desperately need stuff for post-career, taking care of guys after, but something for now, right now, in the moment, because you're right, the guys aren't going to sit down and take the appropriate amount of fish oil. 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:25.280 I've seen it in my team room. 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:47.199 I've seen guys go to Thor 3, have the internet sit down with the dietitian, get the the the wonderful, beautiful, high expensive glass bottle of fish oil, and it it gets open once, and they they take it with their shitty lunch from Subway, and then it stays in their in their computer right next to their locker, and it never gets brought out again. 00:44:47.519 --> 00:45:04.559 But when you make it easy and accessible to the guy, and it's has the uh the proof from somebody from the community that they went in, they put their heart and their soul behind a product to create it, to bring it to you, that means something. 00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:06.159 It's branding 101. 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:11.599 When it comes from a trusted individual from your lived experience, damn right I'm gonna take it. 00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:13.440 Hell yeah, I'm gonna have pride from it. 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.559 And I think this is what's needed, what's missing? 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:34.639 Another thing that's really really often overlooked is um the same issues are happening to our athletes when it comes to branding, when it comes to putting it out there for our youth, for our professional, for our amateur athletes, is this a demographic that you guys are also focused on as well? 00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:40.960 Yeah, I'm gonna take this one. 00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:44.079 Um so eventually, for sure. 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:48.559 So, like military, that's where we come from, that's what we know. 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:52.400 That's world starting. 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.679 Um but absolutely we'd love to help as many people as we could. 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:07.920 I mean, delving into combat sports, like MMA is k one of the fastest growing sports still, I think, in the country, in the world at large. 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:18.559 Um and then you know, you start trickling down, so NFL, NHL, all the pro leagues, there's not very many of those guys. 00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:26.960 A couple thousand in each league, and then you trickle down into the college world, and then you trickle down into the high school athletics. 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:35.440 Um yeah, I I personally think that these supplements, our supplement would uh help these people. 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:46.880 Um you know, I think there's gonna be a significant bridge to cross as far as stigma behind supplements goes, especially with the younger crowd. 00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:55.840 Um, you know, I was talking to my wife the other day, and like she still has some stigmas of creatine from when she played soccer growing up. 00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.599 It's like, oh, creatine's a steroid, or creatine is this or that. 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:14.400 And she doesn't believe that now, but like there's still like this, I think society as a whole, it's just starting to come around, especially to creatine now that it's kind of taken off and become like this social media, you know, put creatine on everything. 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:19.119 Um but I think there is still a stigma of like, oh, what's in it? 00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.840 And that you know, that's where the education piece comes in. 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:23.280 That's where the research comes in. 00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:28.000 And and Peyton, love for you to talk about like what we want to do on that side of things. 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:31.679 Um, and that's where the the third-party certifications come in. 00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.119 Like, hey, this is what's in it. 00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.800 There are no bad substances in the substances in this product. 00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:43.199 Like, here's the research on why you should be taking this. 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:48.639 Um yeah, that was a long-winded answer in my setup. 00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:49.599 No, it's perfect. 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:51.119 Yeah, you're good. 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:53.679 Yeah, Peyton, uh, talk us through that. 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:59.679 Yeah, so we have um a potential kind of pilot research study we want to do. 00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:04.400 Um there's some really interesting stuff going on, and we keep seeing people measure the same biomarkers. 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:22.639 We just posted one, I think, yesterday, it was in Naval or technically Air Force, Royal Canadian Air Force Aviators, and they basically showed a lot of the similar biomarkers that we see um come up in brain over not only brain overpressure exposure, but also subconcussive hits in um sports. 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:28.079 Now, are we saying that all of these are equal and the mechanisms of action? 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:28.880 No, absolutely not. 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.400 Like the mechanism of action we know is different, the subprocesses are probably different. 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:39.920 However, that's not to say that we can't measure the effect in the same way, um, which I think is a good thing that it's becoming so open that we can do this. 00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:46.880 Um and so we specifically want to take this and we want to uh give it to guys. 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:53.119 Unfortunately, if they have a control group, it's just the best way to do a research study, which I hate to do just because I think that this without a doubt works. 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.199 Um, but you need research to prove it. 00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:57.599 Uh and there's a couple different things you want to do. 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:10.400 One, we want to do the biomarkers, like we've seen, um, just in this specific ratio to just,

you know, also how it helps to have something to bring to the guys, be like, hey, dude, like um, you know, not only does the research say this stuff works individually, we combined it all. 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:16.400 We used our specific products, like you know that you're getting the dosages you claim, and we've proven that it actually works with this research. 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:25.360 Um now, is lowering those biomarkers a guarantee that you're not gonna develop dementia or have some sort of noise regeneration or anything else? 00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.320 No, it's there's no, we that hasn't been proven yet. 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:33.280 Um you know, you can generally take one leap of faith whenever you do anything in research. 00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:39.519 Um and you can't really do two, and and that's you know, correlation does not always equal causality. 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:53.760 Um, however, you can intuit that you know it's not a good thing to have biomarkers there that are signs of neurodegeneration, which is what um tau is a is a sign of, and we also see that a lot in Alzheimer's patients. 00:49:53.840 --> 00:50:02.239 Um activation, which is not a good thing either. 00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:08.400 NFL, neurofilament light, um, is another sign of axonal damage, which is also not a good thing. 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:20.880 Um, when you think about it for these studies about how omega-3s, you know, actually work and all that stuff without really getting into the science, at the end of the day, uh a lot of your brain is omega-3s, it's these fatty acids. 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:35.679 Um, a lot of the structures they're holding, if you if you just think about the super cool sci-fi intro on a TV show when they're going through the brain in CSI Miami before somebody has like an aneurysm and they're showing like these electric things that are all bridged together. 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:40.800 Like those are the ends of your axons, and things have to hold them together, and it's omega-3s that build those building blocks. 00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:49.679 So if we're providing everything there to kind of help this structure maintain its integrity and maintain its connections, even if we're losing some, you know, there's probably a benefit to that. 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.719 Um I'm getting off topic with the science behind it. 00:50:52.800 --> 00:51:05.599 But yeah, there's there's two typical ways, the biomarker way, and then we're also working with these other people with um, I don't know, you know, exactly what we're allowed to say, but it's an imaging study that's very cool um that they've seen great results with, with some other stuff. 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.360 And we're kind of excited to kind of push forward with that in the new year. 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:18.239 Um, and then the one other thing I wanted to say is brain over pressure, subconcussive hits in football, um, whatever it is, like it's not one size fits all. 00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.559 I I've I I'm not even gonna say I feel. 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:24.880 I know there's people out there that think I did three years in the 82nd. 00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.360 Um, I have no combat deployments, I'm fine. 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.719 Um or they don't want the stigma of dealing with it or whatever. 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:32.480 I personally have no combat deployments. 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:37.360 Um, I've never treated a patient in combat, all the lives I've ever saved or patients ever treated. 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:38.800 I wouldn't even say lives ever saved. 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:41.039 That's a arrogant and stupid thing to say, and not true. 00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:46.079 All of the patients I've ever treated were in non-combat scenarios or clinical rotations in hospitals. 00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:52.880 Um I did have a huge history of concussions before joining the military. 00:51:53.360 --> 00:52:02.559 Uh did it anyways, got exposed to all this overpressure stuff, and then had some real no shit symptoms and went through some serious stuff after, you know, kind of getting multiple concussions in the military. 00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:08.719 And I think um there's people that are gonna spend 20 years at the unit and they're gonna get out and they're gonna be totally fine. 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:15.679 And for whatever reason, whether it's a genomic thing, you know, they might just be predisposed to being able to better handle it. 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.320 Um everyone is built differently. 00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:32.880 And so all I would say is don't think just because you only did four years of high school football or three years in the 82nd, or you know, five years in the Air Force doing whatever, that you um are not at risk for these things. 00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:34.719 And I'm not trying to fear-monger in any way. 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:42.960 I'm just more so saying like protect yourself, like don't discount your experience and think that because you didn't do cool guy stuff, like you shouldn't still be looking out for your brain. 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:44.400 Um, you absolutely should. 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:46.079 And it's it's not gonna hurt you to take stuff. 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:52.800 And again, I don't, we don't care if it's our product, like just know that the knowledge is out there and use it to your advantage. 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:59.679 It don't dismiss it just because you think what you did wasn't risky enough or wasn't important enough to you know, kind of have this apply to you. 00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:01.039 I think it applies to everyone. 00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:03.119 Dude, absolutely, man. 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:04.639 Thank you so much for saying that. 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:22.239 There are so many of our brothers out there that are silently struggling, that I talk to, that reach out, and they hear something from a podcast, either from Security Hall or from Broken Brains,

and they they slide in the DMs, and the first thing is like, I need help. 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.760 I want to get put in for the right direction, but I'm not a combat veteran. 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:27.199 I didn't do anything great. 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.000 Uh, I just spent you know, four years on the gun line. 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:33.440 I'm like, that's a long fun fucking time on a gun line, dude. 00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.920 Like that that is insane. 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:54.239 And and it's shout out to every last one of you beautiful fucking uh 11 Charlies out there who have shot so many fucking mortars that you're you're now dealing with the repercussions, and then you need to be proud of your service, be proud of everything you've done, and don't minimize what you're suffering to. 00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:56.239 Don't minimize your lived experience. 00:53:56.320 --> 00:54:00.639 You deserve to heal, you deserve to have resources, and you're more than part of the tribe. 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:02.239 You're you're a fucking badass. 00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:10.639 It takes a lot of guts to sit there and train all day, all night, and drop rounds in the pouring rain, in the fucking snow, wherever you were. 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:18.000 Be proud of what you've done and understand that the first step you got to do is just be willing to reach out and get help and then let go of that shame. 00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:19.440 But it's made-believe. 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:20.480 It's not real. 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.559 You're a fucking badass in your own way. 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:33.360 Um, but it takes individuals like us being willing to say, being willing to say, like, hey, kill the myth and say, like, dude, whatever you wore on your head, whatever fancy badge you had in your uniform, doesn't fucking matter. 00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:34.559 You're a human being. 00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:36.880 You deserve to have these issues looked at. 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:39.840 You're absolutely correct, man. 00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:50.559 We need to be able to talk and exchange and be able to bring out these uh these awesome fucking studies out and show people that, hey, look, there's there's a way to get better. 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:51.599 There's things you can do. 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:58.239 It may not be with our supplement, maybe just go get some of these other supplements are out there, but start taking something today. 00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.559 Be willing to take ownership of your life. 00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:11.199 Like I know for a long time I wasn't willing to sit down and read and understand what these awesome, accessible supplements could do for my brain health. 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:18.719 And then you realize after reading a few peer support studies that like, wow, your brain thrives on fish oil. 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:28.559 It needs fats, it needs oils, like I can change my diet, I can stop being an asshole and eat better for myself and get some sleep, take some creatine. 00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.079 You know, as we um begin to close out, what's next for your guys? 00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.039 How much longer before we can see this on the shelves? 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:41.440 Oh man, this is a constant like why like hurry up. 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:43.760 Well, it takes time. 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.760 There's no pressure, but if you could get it out here tomorrow, I'd greatly appreciate it. 00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:49.280 A little bit of pressure. 00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:51.039 Yeah, there's a little bit of pressure. 00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:58.639 I mean, I think best case scenario, we're looking at it's Marchish of next year. 00:55:59.119 --> 00:55:59.440 Okay. 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:12.320 Every box checked, at least in our minds, on what a good product should be. 00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:16.079 Uh you know, plus or minus a few months. 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:20.320 Uh, but yeah, for sure, first half of next year we'll say. 00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:21.440 We'll leave it open. 00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:21.840 Yeah. 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:23.280 Six months leave. 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:24.320 Yeah. 00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:26.239 All good things uh take time, man. 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:32.400 That's you guys have been doing, I mean, anything worth doing is worth doing right. 00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:38.239 And I would be more concerned if it was getting if it was already on the shelf and it was ready to go. 00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:40.159 So this is a good sign, man. 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:45.280 This is a good sign of people that have uh been putting their heart and soul into doing this. 00:56:45.440 --> 00:57:00.800 And you know, I I have to ask, you know, if if you just take a few moments and reflect back, if like if you could look back at that young, 18 serious guy that was getting out that needed to hear some positive words about transition, what would you tell that guy? 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:04.559 It's okay to ask for help. 00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:06.480 With everything. 00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.559 I mean, not just transition, but like everything else. 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.039 But yeah. 00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:11.119 I mean, there's a million people that are out there that'll help you. 00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:23.039 I think the best advice I can give you is um if you're trying to get a job, whether it's like the typical job at Palantir, Andural, or whatever, cool to guy job, going to school, you need a LinkedIn. 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.679 As much as I hate saying that, like you need to fucking have a LinkedIn. 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:27.119 It just is the way it is. 00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:33.440 Um, and then literally search whatever company that you want to work at and then type in also Green Beret or Army. 00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:48.400 You will find somebody that works at that company that used to be in special operations and just shoot them, or even the regular

army, like doesn't matter, it doesn't have to be special operations, um, or the military in general, and just shoot them a message and just be like, hey, this is who I am, be a little vulnerable, be like, I'm getting out, uh, looking for a little help with this. 00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.679 Would just love 10 minutes of your time if you could tell me how you ended up at this company. 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.280 And I guarantee you, nine out of ten people will help you out and respond. 00:57:57.519 --> 00:57:58.079 Absolutely. 00:57:58.239 --> 00:57:59.679 What about you, brother? 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.519 Yeah, I dude. 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:03.519 Asking for help's a big one. 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:08.159 You know, come from that community, it's like, uh, better know how to do it yourself. 00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:09.440 Otherwise, you're an idiot. 00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:10.480 We're all gonna talk. 00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:16.639 But uh, you know, asking asking for help's a big one. 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:19.840 Um and I'm I'm gonna plug education. 00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:25.760 I don't I mean, I had gone to college before joining the military. 00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:32.960 Um but man, there like the GI Bill, Yellow Ribbon, there's tons of scholarships out there. 00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:39.039 There are so many resources for not just soft veterans as a whole to go back to school. 00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:43.039 And you know, I never in a million years thought I would go to grad school. 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.559 Yeah, I'm done with school, I did college, fuck all that. 00:58:46.719 --> 00:59:00.239 Um but it it's faith war and it's given me time to reintegrate back into I will call it society, even though you know whatever, become a become a civilian, we'll say. 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:08.960 And it's exposed me to so many different walks of life that you just don't get in the military. 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:27.679 People from overseas, that you're going to I mean obviously in the military is a lot of overseas stuff, but in a in a classroom setting, someone who wasn't in the military, getting their perspective, and then these schools have so many resources while you're there. 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:38.800 You know, whether that's creators for jobs, whether that's resume help, whether that's you know, just just having a name of a school on your resume opens up so many doors. 00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:41.440 It just can't hurt you to go back to school. 00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.280 Especially as an enlisted guy, um, Peyton, you probably just feel the same way. 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.920 There's a lot of officers in my class. 00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:54.239 Um like don't be afraid because you're an enlisted guy to go back to school. 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:55.840 Like, you're not dumb. 00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:59.599 I mean sure, your levels, but 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:01.280 I'm a complete, I'll say it. 01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:02.559 I'll put it out

there, Corey. 01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:04.400 I'm a complete fucking idiot. 01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.800 I am a dog shit entrepreneur. 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:10.480 I I have gotten so much support and help. 01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:14.159 I'm so proud of making it as a warrant officer. 01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:20.880 18 series was a, you know, being 18 problems, going through mortars, that was difficult. 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:29.840 If you look back, if if you look back in your career right now, if you're thinking that school isn't for you, I'm sure you have a million examples of why you can't do it. 01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:45.840 But I'm telling you, if I can go to one of America's finest colleges, Arizona State University, and graduate with my undergraduate with a 4.0, bro, dude, dudettes, you can do it. 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:48.239 If my dumbass can do it, you can do it. 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:49.920 And I'm going to challenge you even more. 01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:51.360 Here's a fun fact. 01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:52.639 Go to ASU. 01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:54.079 I'm proud of my alma mater. 01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:55.360 I think it's a great school. 01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:04.000 But if you're a soft veteran, if you're if or even if you're not a soft, not a soft veteran, apply for the Pat Tillman Scholarship. 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:05.599 That's easy money. 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:13.119 If you're going there, and I guarantee you're probably going to get a degree in something that's of service to somebody, apply for that scholarship. 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:17.199 Even if you don't get it, it's a great experience to try for something again. 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:19.440 What's wrong with trying for greatness? 01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:20.639 Try something. 01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:25.519 I talked to so many guys are feeling down and out or out of the fight. 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:27.360 Dog, you're not out of the fight. 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:28.719 You just need a new target. 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:32.079 Maybe it's creating the next line of great American supplements. 01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:34.880 Maybe it's becoming an amazing entrepreneur. 01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:36.800 Maybe it's going to get your MBA. 01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:38.960 Whatever it is, fuck. 01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.800 Live the creed one more day. 01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:43.360 Live to succeed again. 01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:49.360 Dude, I'm going to tell you right now, being a green brain doesn't have to be the greatest thing you did. 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:50.320 It doesn't have to be. 01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:52.400 You can do something even greater. 01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.119 But at the end of the day, you gotta at least fucking try. 01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:56.320 You just gotta try. 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:57.519 Look at Peyton. 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:01.679 I can't even remember or pronounce a thing you're going to school for. 01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:03.760 Corey's going to the NBA program. 01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:04.480 That's easy. 01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:07.039 Peyton's out here doing amazing shit. 01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:10.639 Like, chase another dream. 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:11.840 Be willing to do it. 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:22.000 Guys, I can't thank you enough for being here, but I but more importantly, I can't thank you for being a great fucking example to everybody out there that's serving and getting out of the military. 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.519 They can look at this interview, they can look at the show and say, you know what? 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:27.599 Those guys are willing to do something greater. 01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:28.880 Maybe I can do the same. 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:29.840 And that's what we need. 01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:34.320 We need more inspiring tales of daring to succeed again. 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:39.199 The last thing I want to see one of our veterans getting out and working at a fucking cheese stick factory. 01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:39.920 That's a real thing. 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:41.119 That's a real story. 01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:42.400 It was really sad. 01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:44.079 But that's neither here nor there. 01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:45.360 I'm really proud of you guys. 01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:46.639 Thank you so much for being here. 01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:48.800 And to everybody listening, fuck. 01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:52.400 Take care of yourself, take care of each other, and dare to dream again. 01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:53.440 We'll see y'all next time. 01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:54.559 Take care. 01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:55.679 Boom. 01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:57.199 Done.