บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Why Prosecutors Won't Commit to Retrying Lindsay Clancy!

will, to be 70 00:06:11.350 --> 00:06:16.920 fair and impartial to a young woman like this who 71 00:06:16.980 --> 00:06:18.439 presented evidence. 72 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.639 To a young woman. We want them to be fair 73 00:06:21.699 --> 00:06:26.959 and impartial to this young woman. What he's really saying 74 00:06:27.019 --> 00:06:32.319 is that she's vulnerable. Look, she's in a wheelchair. She's vulnerable. 75 00:06:32.370 --> 00:06:36.389 She's a young woman. Clearly, send her to a mental 76 00:06:36.430 --> 00:06:43.350 hospital till the state gives up with fighting to keep 77 00:06:43.389 --> 00:06:46.980 her in. And Massachusetts, which is very defendant friendly, just 78 00:06:47.060 --> 00:06:47.740 lets her out. 79 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:54.750 To this court that she was a person that was 80 00:06:54.829 --> 00:07:01.569 suffering from significant mental disease, significant defect consistent with the 81 00:07:01.629 --> 00:07:04.769 instructions that the court gave as it relates to lack 82 00:07:04.810 --> 00:07:09.259 of criminal responsibility. And this young woman put herself on 83 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:13.579 her country, which country as we say they are, and 84 00:07:13.620 --> 00:07:16.439 expect that that jury is gonna pass between the Commonwealth 85 00:07:16.500 --> 00:07:18.509 and the defendant and they're gonna be fair in their 86 00:07:18.550 --> 00:07:26.220 evaluation of the evidence. You don't bring your background into 87 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.870 a jury room and suppress it, as was done in 88 00:07:29.930 --> 00:07:33.990 this case. This gentleman, Mr. Duransville. I'm going to stop 89 00:07:34.029 --> 00:07:35.529 you right there. No, you're not going to stop me. 90 00:07:35.569 --> 00:07:36.250 Well, no, I am. 91 00:07:36.470 --> 00:07:37.110 No, you're not. 92 00:07:37.129 --> 00:07:39.939 All right, then this hearing's, you know, because there's no 93 00:07:39.949 --> 00:07:43.019 need to bring out that juror's name. 94 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:44.879 It's all over the Internet. 95 00:07:45.220 --> 00:07:48.759 That's through the Internet. That's through other people. There's no 96 00:07:48.779 --> 00:07:50.459 need here in this courtroom. 97 00:07:51.449 --> 00:07:56.560 Did you see? So this judge is a former defense attorney. 98 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:59.300 And what came out in this hearing is that he's 99 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:03.399 set to retire. Now, Kevin Reddington, this judge cannot be 100 00:08:03.500 --> 00:08:08.610 any more defendant-friendly. And if you don't know me, I 101 00:08:08.629 --> 00:08:11.610 prefer to class. I talk about innocence fraud and true 102 00:08:11.670 --> 00:08:19.670 crime from a victim's rights perspective. So someone like this 103 00:08:19.750 --> 00:08:23.230 judge is not going to be my favorite. He's making 104 00:08:23.370 --> 00:08:29.850 rulings that are extremely defendant-friendly through the entire trial. He 105 00:08:30.370 --> 00:08:33.970 failed to take the phones away from the jurors, which 106 00:08:34.009 --> 00:08:36.570 I think is a real mistake. I mean, I'll agree 107 00:08:36.590 --> 00:08:39.190 with Kevin Reddington about the holdout juror, but it goes 108 00:08:39.250 --> 00:08:41.200 for the rest of the jurors, too. They all had 109 00:08:41.220 --> 00:08:45.120 their phones back there. And in a high-profile trial like that, 110 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:52.799 that is just reckless. But here, Kevin Reddington, he says, 111 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:54.639 you're not going to go into it. And he goes, yes, 112 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:59.139 I am. So Kevin Reddington feels that he has more 113 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.019 power than the judge. And then the judge says, well, 114 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.450 we're not going to have this hearing then. But he 115 00:09:04.539 --> 00:09:07.029 sort of, listen to it again. He kind of half 116 00:09:07.129 --> 00:09:11.110 commits to it. It's not a full committal. Like, we're 117 00:09:11.129 --> 00:09:13.029 going to close down the hearing right now if you're 118 00:09:13.049 --> 00:09:16.789 going to just go after this juror one more time. 119 00:09:17.389 --> 00:09:22.600 Put him in a dangerous position one more time. Kevin 120 00:09:22.740 --> 00:09:29.450 Reddington is the innocence fraud lawyer of the year. I 121 00:09:30.570 --> 00:09:36.659 don't know who is putting out more innocence fraud nonsense, 122 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:39.399 trying to, and what I mean by that is he's 123 00:09:39.460 --> 00:09:43.860 trying to Win this case because he can't win it 124 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:46.419 in court with the facts. He's trying to win this 125 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.450 case in the in the court of public opinion. So 126 00:09:50.529 --> 00:09:56.110 the outside brings pressure on the inside, meaning our court system. 127 00:09:57.509 --> 00:10:01.669 And we saw it work with Karen Reed. And they're 128 00:10:01.690 --> 00:10:09.000 trying to prejudice the jury, a future jury pool. And 129 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:12.419 the prosecution has still not said whether they're going to 130 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:19.600 retry this case or not. So, At the end of 131 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:26.059 this hearing, there's a very good argument, and I think 132 00:10:26.139 --> 00:10:30.100 it shows the prosecution's hand as to what they're really 133 00:10:30.139 --> 00:10:37.179 worried about. Shanann Buckingham was nowhere in this hearing, too, 134 00:10:37.250 --> 00:10:41.549 by the way, and just attorney Jennifer Sprague, who Shanann 135 00:10:41.570 --> 00:10:45.029 Buckingham was the other prosecutor in the Lindsay Clancy trial, 136 00:10:46.149 --> 00:10:49.909 and now Jennifer Sprague is just here. just at this hearing, 137 00:10:50.090 --> 00:10:53.309 and she's the stronger of the prosecution team, but I 138 00:10:53.370 --> 00:10:57.889 don't feel that either of those lawyers have what it 139 00:10:57.950 --> 00:11:06.740 takes to really

try this case with a motive that 140 00:11:06.779 --> 00:11:11.259 makes sense, with a story that makes sense. What they 141 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:14.639 went with at trial was that Lindsay Clancy's real motivation 142 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:19.279 was to end it all. She just used insufficient means, strangely. 143 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.970 But she used incredibly effective means to kill her kids. 144 00:11:28.409 --> 00:11:31.070 And that she had to kill her kids because she 145 00:11:31.090 --> 00:11:36.250 was such a control freak. And I do believe she 146 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:43.240 is a control freak. But she was such a control freak, 147 00:11:43.259 --> 00:11:45.820 she didn't want anyone else raising her kids. Now you 148 00:11:45.860 --> 00:11:51.240 look at her gratitude list and her affirmations, and she's 149 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:56.110 most grateful for when her mother comes and takes away 150 00:11:56.139 --> 00:11:58.669 the kids from her. Or when Patrick comes and takes 151 00:11:58.710 --> 00:12:02.610 away these kids that she hates. Take them away from me. 152 00:12:05.509 --> 00:12:12.019 And in her affirmations is, I love my kids. So 153 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.779 anyone who has to say they love their kids, that's 154 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:20.179 a replacement phrase for a really upsetting phrase, which is 155 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:22.470 that she hates her kids and she hates her life. 156 00:12:23.450 --> 00:12:27.070 So I love my life. I can't believe they put 157 00:12:27.110 --> 00:12:29.590 that up on the screen, the prosecution did it during 158 00:12:30.629 --> 00:12:34.929 the trial, and they never remarked upon it. And I'm 159 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:39.460 so curious to know if any of the jurors picked 160 00:12:39.539 --> 00:12:42.820 up on it. Because to me, it was the most 161 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:48.789 telling as to what Lindsay Clancy was really wrestling with. 162 00:12:49.389 --> 00:12:52.850 You know, we hear all these stories from Patrick Clancy 163 00:12:52.870 --> 00:12:59.750 about how Lindsay Clancy was really suffering. Really suffering. But 164 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.460 I believe if she was suffering anyways, it's because she 165 00:13:02.539 --> 00:13:05.720 hated her kids. She hated her job. She didn't want 166 00:13:05.740 --> 00:13:12.759 to go back to work. And her marriage was... had collapsed. 167 00:13:13.700 --> 00:13:16.860 I mean, why is Patrick, why is, excuse me, why 168 00:13:16.940 --> 00:13:23.440 is Patrick Clancy writing all these posts on Reddit if 169 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:26.250 he's so involved with his kids? I mean, I only, 170 00:13:26.259 --> 00:13:32.149 I did one episode on Patrick Clancy's secret Reddit posts, 171 00:13:32.269 --> 00:13:39.039 but I didn't touch maybe three-fourths of them. What is 172 00:13:39.100 --> 00:13:41.899 going on here? Anyway, take a listen one more time. 173 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.940 You don't bring your background into a

jury room and 174 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.070 suppress it, as was done in this case. 175 00:13:52.159 --> 00:14:00.210 His background, which is his Catholic faith. I think that's 176 00:14:00.230 --> 00:14:01.049 what they're talking about. 177 00:14:03.629 --> 00:14:07.009 So he's playing up to the pink-shirted mafia. And the 178 00:14:07.029 --> 00:14:09.940 pink-shirted mafia came to blows with the juror Do's lawyer. 179 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:11.440 Let's take a look. 180 00:14:34.590 --> 00:14:36.230 We're not doing it. 181 00:14:36.269 --> 00:14:38.110 Well, let me go back to the beginning. 182 00:14:38.149 --> 00:14:38.460 Hold on. 183 00:14:39.809 --> 00:14:43.899 We're not doing it. 184 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.639 Oh, they're a lovely bunch, aren't they? This is Edward Palczyk, 185 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:51.460 who is one half of the team, along with Heather O'Connor, 186 00:14:51.500 --> 00:14:57.750 who represents the juror dough. we get another taste. 187 00:14:57.830 --> 00:14:59.629 We're not doing it. 188 00:14:59.669 --> 00:15:02.149 We're not doing it. 189 00:15:02.190 --> 00:15:03.289 We're not doing it. 190 00:15:03.389 --> 00:15:05.649 We're not doing it. 191 00:15:05.909 --> 00:15:07.009 We're not doing your thing. 192 00:15:07.049 --> 00:15:07.659 We're not doing it. 193 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:10.539 We're not doing your thing. This is who we're up against. 194 00:15:10.580 --> 00:15:13.659 This is who we're up against. 195 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:19.240 Murderer groupies, innocence fraudsters, people who will be on team criminal, 196 00:15:20.220 --> 00:15:26.570 team killer, because it's exciting for them. And And they've 197 00:15:26.649 --> 00:15:31.789 also had the advantage of Lindsay Clancy staying eerily silent, 198 00:15:31.809 --> 00:15:37.669 although she did want to speak out as an advocate 199 00:15:37.710 --> 00:15:42.549 for postpartum. She was never diagnosed with postpartum. That's where 200 00:15:42.889 --> 00:15:48.279 my eye roll comes from. But I thought this lawyer 201 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:49.200 handled it well. 202 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:51.039 This is who we're up against. 203 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:52.659 Yeah. 204 00:15:52.940 --> 00:15:53.200 Yeah. 205 00:15:55.179 --> 00:15:59.740 And they can be much worse than that. I'll tell 206 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:03.940 you that. But also, he gave an interview of this 207 00:16:06.620 --> 00:16:12.590 Edward Palczyk. Take a listen to Laura Conlon. She's a podcaster. 208 00:16:13.529 --> 00:16:20.289 Take a listen. And he remarks on Kevin Reddington, what 209 00:16:20.309 --> 00:16:27.100 we just saw, which was that that absolute attack once 210 00:16:27.179 --> 00:16:32.820 again in court, in court, outside of court. He said 211 00:16:33.019 --> 00:16:38.250 outside of court after the mistrial was declared, how does 212 00:16:38.289 --> 00:16:40.870 he sleep at night? Meaning how does this holdout juror 213 00:16:40.950 --> 00:16:45.830 sleep at night? This was going to be the case 214 00:16:45.889 --> 00:16:49.809 that he could, would be remembered by if he won it. 215 00:16:51.659 --> 00:16:56.899 And it ticks Kevin Reddington off that he came so close. 216 00:16:56.940 --> 00:17:01.379 He came one juror away. It's every defense lawyer's dream 217 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:05.640 to have a guilty as sin client and bamboozle the 218 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.640 court and get away with it and get the verdict 219 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:09.920 you want. Mr. 220 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:13.140 Paltzik, I'm going to follow up with you right now. 221 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:17.859 What do you make of Kevin Reddington accusing the holdout 222 00:17:17.900 --> 00:17:20.619 juror of not being truthful about his arrest and only 223 00:17:21.130 --> 00:17:23.410 citing a recent arrest and not. 224 00:17:23.450 --> 00:17:24.069 That's false. 225 00:17:24.170 --> 00:17:26.410 That's not what the questionnaire bears out. 226 00:17:26.569 --> 00:17:27.359 That's false. 227 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:28.650 That's not what happened. 228 00:17:28.779 --> 00:17:32.099 That's a lie. Where did he get this from? 229 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:33.700 I don't know. 230 00:17:33.740 --> 00:17:42.940 From his diseased mind? What? From his diseased mind? Which 231 00:17:42.980 --> 00:17:51.410 I think is a fascinating phrase considering the whole... crux 232 00:17:51.569 --> 00:17:55.529 of lindsey clancy's defense is that she has a diseased 233 00:17:55.569 --> 00:17:58.829 mind he's like lindsey clancy may not have a diseased 234 00:17:58.890 --> 00:18:03.339 mind but her lawyer sure does i don't think it's 235 00:18:03.380 --> 00:18:11.099 that his mind is diseased he just is team criminal 236 00:18:11.140 --> 00:18:13.559 all the way he loves to see people get over 237 00:18:13.619 --> 00:18:16.859 that's his you know he's a defense lawyer and an 238 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:24.750 innocence fraudster through and through And he's out to propagandize 239 00:18:24.789 --> 00:18:26.869 the public and get what he wants, even if he 240 00:18:26.890 --> 00:18:32.150 has to bully the judge. The judge is just rolling over, 241 00:18:32.230 --> 00:18:33.259 as you saw. I don't know. 242 00:18:35.500 --> 00:18:37.339 I really don't know, but I can tell you what 243 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:37.809 the truth is. 244 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.119 By the way, you guys saw Michael's interviews, right? 245 00:18:41.140 --> 00:18:44.099 You saw his interview with Kayleigh. You saw his interview 246 00:18:44.140 --> 00:18:49.200 with Ray Marcel. What did Michael say on those interviews? 247 00:18:49.269 --> 00:18:50.490 He said, I had no doubt. 248 00:18:51.470 --> 00:18:52.549 He said, I followed the law. 249 00:18:52.970 --> 00:18:53.690 I followed the law. 250 00:18:55.289 --> 00:18:55.529 Right? 251 00:18:56.210 --> 00:18:58.710 What I'm concerned about now is I'm concerned that nobody's 252 00:18:58.730 --> 00:18:59.630 going to want to

be a juror. 253 00:19:01.410 --> 00:19:01.710 I don't know. 254 00:19:01.730 --> 00:19:03.500 Would you want to be a juror after this? 255 00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:08.000 The implications of this are... Who would want to be 256 00:19:08.059 --> 00:19:11.039 a juror on a high-profile trial like this unless you 257 00:19:11.059 --> 00:19:16.250 were a Lindsay Clancy supporter? Unless you wanted to get 258 00:19:16.309 --> 00:19:17.430 Lindsay Clancy off? 259 00:19:17.809 --> 00:19:19.049 Really far reaching it. 260 00:19:19.890 --> 00:19:20.029 And. 261 00:19:20.569 --> 00:19:25.130 in the Karen Reed second trial because they had intentionally 262 00:19:25.150 --> 00:19:32.240 gone out. And we know that Kevin Reddington watched with 263 00:19:32.299 --> 00:19:37.420 great interest and enthusiasm Karen Reed's pretrial innocence fraud campaign. 264 00:19:39.980 --> 00:19:44.829 And he was representing a... Kevin Reddington represented a witness 265 00:19:44.869 --> 00:19:49.150 in that case named Jennifer McCabe. While Kevin Reddington was 266 00:19:49.170 --> 00:19:54.799 representing Jennifer McCabe, McCabe he reached out to the person 267 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:59.779 that Jennifer McCabe said was harassing her Aiden Turtle Boy 268 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.599 Carney and wrote him that he was doing a great 269 00:20:03.660 --> 00:20:09.400 job showing Karen Reed's quote-unquote innocence lol and he wished 270 00:20:09.539 --> 00:20:16.109 that Aiden Carney worked for his law firm, and he 271 00:20:16.170 --> 00:20:21.170 could propagandize the public. And he could basically, essentially, it's 272 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:30.140 working in an arena like the media where there are 273 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.420 no rules, because you can't win in court where there 274 00:20:32.500 --> 00:20:35.660 are a lot of rules. But with what I've seen 275 00:20:35.700 --> 00:20:40.599 of Massachusetts judges, they barely hold down the law inside 276 00:20:40.660 --> 00:20:45.269 their court. We saw with Judge Canone, she was lied 277 00:20:45.309 --> 00:20:50.789 to repeatedly, repeatedly. She had to reprimand Karen Reid's lawyers 278 00:20:50.849 --> 00:20:53.450 for lying to the court or their lack of candor 279 00:20:53.470 --> 00:20:59.849 to their court, their willful, repeated misrepresentations, i.e. lies to 280 00:20:59.890 --> 00:21:04.170 the court. She reprimanded them, and then 20 minutes later, 281 00:21:04.210 --> 00:21:08.029 they were back lying to the court again with no consequences. 282 00:21:10.730 --> 00:21:15.069 So these judges are really, like, part of the defense team. 283 00:21:17.170 --> 00:21:17.750 Disturbing. 284 00:21:18.990 --> 00:21:21.369 I also would, I've said this before, I would strongly 285 00:21:21.430 --> 00:21:25.170 encourage people to reverse the situation and just think about 286 00:21:25.259 --> 00:21:28.000 it if it was 11 to 1 in favor of 287 00:21:28.059 --> 00:21:29.740 the district attorney's position. 288 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:30.640 Right? 289 00:21:30.740 --> 00:21:34.519 What would that look like? 290 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:34.759 Right. 291 00:21:34.779 --> 00:21:34.920 Right. 292 00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:36.240 People feel comfortable with this. 293 00:21:38.430 --> 00:21:42.910 It doesn't matter, though. This was an argument that the 294 00:21:43.890 --> 00:21:49.829 prosecution argued at this hearing. Either way, we have to 295 00:21:49.890 --> 00:21:53.309 respect this one juror. But if one juror, if it 296 00:21:53.349 --> 00:21:58.680 was 11 guilty to one not guilty, this juror would 297 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:06.460 be the, you know, they would love that juror, of course. 298 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:11.380 But it doesn't matter because it didn't end up that way. 299 00:22:11.660 --> 00:22:14.400 I don't think Lindsay Clancy supporters are even taking that. 300 00:22:14.420 --> 00:22:21.480 It was the state leaning on a juror. That's what 301 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:22.480 disturbs me. 302 00:22:22.859 --> 00:22:23.420 It's really disturbing. 303 00:22:23.539 --> 00:22:27.079 It sounds like Kevin Reddington, though, is still accusing your 304 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:29.089 client of lying, saying that he didn't. 305 00:22:30.140 --> 00:22:32.950 Of course he's accusing his client of lying. I mean, 306 00:22:33.210 --> 00:22:35.230 this is like one of the most vicious attacks on 307 00:22:35.289 --> 00:22:38.490 a juror. Lawyers have come forward and said that this 308 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:45.640 is dangerous, what Kevin Reddington's done. We know that Attorney 309 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:51.039 Palczak wants to issue a bar complaint. We know that 310 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:57.140 Kevin Reddington is already facing multiple bar complaints that are 311 00:22:57.180 --> 00:23:01.079 being dealt with through the Massachusetts Bar, having to do 312 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:07.859 with financial problems. improprieties and fraud so he's a he 313 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:12.960 he's an outlaw he rides a motorcycle he considers himself 314 00:23:13.019 --> 00:23:17.329 an outlaw meaning he's practicing law like an outlaw that's 315 00:23:17.410 --> 00:23:22.809 my my opinion then we had a little touch of 316 00:23:23.750 --> 00:23:32.849 martin weinberger and he made the argument that that we can't, 317 00:23:33.230 --> 00:23:38.079 that this case should be, you know, considered retried. There's 318 00:23:38.180 --> 00:23:45.359 a link to his, his information concerning Epstein. And in 319 00:23:45.619 --> 00:23:49.200 Epstein's case, he went to the media. And again, so 320 00:23:49.220 --> 00:23:53.720 this is the same tactics. Magazines, he was writing letters 321 00:23:53.779 --> 00:24:00.710 for Jeffrey Epstein and just, and trying to sway the 322 00:24:00.750 --> 00:24:03.630 media in his favor and ultimately sway the court in 323 00:24:03.670 --> 00:24:09.640 his favor from the outside. Really good lawyers don't need 324 00:24:09.660 -->

00:24:16.859 to propagandize the public and poison the jury pool. Good 325 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:25.809 lawyers can win in court. This is kind of like 326 00:24:25.890 --> 00:24:35.890 cheating to win, in my opinion. So I think Kevin 327 00:24:35.930 --> 00:24:40.890 Reddington ends up making a very, asked the prosecution, so 328 00:24:40.910 --> 00:24:44.099 it really comes down to whether the prosecution is going 329 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:49.299 to retry this case. And here's Kevin Reddington asking for 330 00:24:49.339 --> 00:24:53.400 a trial date. Take a, take a listen. 331 00:24:54.450 --> 00:24:55.150 Yes, we do. 332 00:24:55.190 --> 00:24:55.650 No, we don't. 333 00:24:55.670 --> 00:24:56.009 All right. 334 00:24:56.289 --> 00:25:00.130 But they'd rather have me force it. So I'll make 335 00:25:00.150 --> 00:25:00.829 that decision. 336 00:25:01.509 --> 00:25:03.869 All right. Could I inquire further, Your Honor? I know 337 00:25:03.910 --> 00:25:06.509 that Mr. Cruz is sitting here, and I know your concern, 338 00:25:06.910 --> 00:25:09.849 your main concern, is picking a trial date. Could we 339 00:25:09.890 --> 00:25:12.630 find out today what Mr. Cruz's intention is? 340 00:25:12.690 --> 00:25:15.509 Why don't we get through this motion? 341 00:25:15.750 --> 00:25:15.869 Okay. 342 00:25:15.890 --> 00:25:17.170 Because then we get another motion. 343 00:25:17.190 --> 00:25:17.450 All right. 344 00:25:17.470 --> 00:25:20.250 Then we get through that motion. Then we can talk 345 00:25:20.309 --> 00:25:22.349 about where we go in regards. 346 00:25:21.890 --> 00:25:22.490 To this case. 347 00:25:22.619 --> 00:25:22.700 Okay. 348 00:25:22.710 --> 00:25:23.039 Thank you. 349 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:30.509 So he's anxious to know why, you know, when, are 350 00:25:30.549 --> 00:25:36.230 we going to retry this or not? And the prosecution, 351 00:25:36.250 --> 00:25:38.849 you know, it's been announced that they're going to retry 352 00:25:38.890 --> 00:25:41.900 the case. They're just deciding on the, that was not 353 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.640 said at this hearing. They're still unsure whether they're going 354 00:25:44.660 --> 00:25:49.170 to retry this case. And if they don't retry this case, 355 00:25:49.210 --> 00:25:52.269 then it will be some kind of deal with the 356 00:25:52.349 --> 00:25:58.099 defense where they send Lindsay Clancy away to a mental 357 00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:03.339 health hospital. And they're going to have to, my understanding 358 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.180 is that the prosecution would have to argue yearly to 359 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:16.869 keep her in. And not let her out. So take 360 00:26:17.349 --> 00:26:20.630 a look. I think really what this is all about 361 00:26:21.089 --> 00:26:24.190 is whether they can get a gag order, which was 362 00:26:24.269 --> 00:26:28.670 not given in the Karen Reid case. And we saw 363 00:26:28.690 --> 00:26:32.190 the results of that. So not only do they have 364 00:26:32.250 --> 00:26:37.230 Patrick Clancy siding up because of his civil case with 365 00:26:38.029 --> 00:26:43.890 his ex-wife, baby murderer ex-wife, the murderer of his three children, 366 00:26:43.990 --> 00:26:51.720 Cora Dawson and Callan, because he wants to get as 367 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.630 much money as he can in the civil case. I 368 00:26:54.650 --> 00:26:56.990 don't know if he'll really succeed in that, but okay. 369 00:26:57.569 --> 00:27:00.950 And Lindsay Clancy has her own civil case, suing all 370 00:27:01.009 --> 00:27:05.029 the providers that tried to help her that she bamboozled 371 00:27:05.109 --> 00:27:09.200 and zigzagged through and zigzagged from one provider to the 372 00:27:09.259 --> 00:27:12.559 next and didn't take the medication that she was given. 373 00:27:13.299 --> 00:27:19.420 So at the end, I thought, Really, I think the prosecution, 374 00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:21.859 if they don't get this gag order, I don't know, 375 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.160 how are they going to try the case? They have 376 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:28.680 no sympathy for the victim's family, thanks to Patrick Clancy, 377 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.859 and Patrick Clancy's family have totally sided with Lindsay Clancy. 378 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:40.200 Within days of the murder, Patrick Clancy had a ghost 379 00:27:40.299 --> 00:27:43.000 fund me started for him, which raised over a million dollars. 380 00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.539 And he's making statements that we should all forgive Lindsay 381 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:51.400 Clancy because she was really sick. And she was a wonderful, 382 00:27:51.460 --> 00:27:55.950 loving mother whose kids just happened to end up dead. 383 00:27:57.170 --> 00:28:01.670 She could not say no to a voice she never 384 00:28:01.710 --> 00:28:06.750 heard before and never heard again. Give me a break. Like, 385 00:28:06.829 --> 00:28:09.890 were we all just born yesterday? I don't know. But 386 00:28:10.009 --> 00:28:17.579 here's the... And where the prosecution argues for the gag order, 387 00:28:18.099 --> 00:28:18.710 take a listen. 388 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:25.279 Motion number 222, Cuomo's motion to preclude prejudicial statements. And 389 00:28:25.299 --> 00:28:26.900 so what I'm going to do is I'll hear first 390 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:31.880 from Cuomo, and then I'll hear from Attorney McConnell. Cuomo. 391 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:37.339 Thank you, Your Honor. Counsel for the defendant has engaged 392 00:28:37.420 --> 00:28:41.710 in substantial publicity pretrial during the trial. during the trial 393 00:28:41.789 --> 00:28:45.970 and post-trial that has inevitably tainted potential future jurors with 394 00:28:46.650 --> 00:28:49.910 inflammatory statements about the prosecution of the case. 395 00:28:50.490 --> 00:28:53.299 What she's not saying is it's also with the help 396 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:57.960 of Patrick Clancy, and he's continuing to propagandize the public 397

00:28:57.980 --> 00:29:02.539 with his 60 Minutes interview and the extended 60 Minutes interview. 398 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:09.329 I mean, does anybody remember some of those. 399 00:29:11.650 --> 00:29:13.740 Some of the things that he was saying in that 400 00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:19.180 60 Minutes interview? One second, I'll bring it, I'll bring in. 401 00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:26.160 It can happen to anyone. I've met, I've met so, 402 00:29:26.740 --> 00:29:30.769 I've met with so many other victims, people who, people 403 00:29:30.789 --> 00:29:34.130 who had the disease and fathers who had become victim 404 00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:39.190 to the disease and lost children. So he's claiming, what 405 00:29:39.250 --> 00:29:44.359 disease did they... He was asked about postpartum psychosis and 406 00:29:44.420 --> 00:29:49.990 postpartum depression. He's now claiming that fathers can have postpartum 407 00:29:50.750 --> 00:29:55.049 depression and psychosis there. I mean, just wild stuff. 408 00:29:58.690 --> 00:29:58.849 So. 409 00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:07.900 it's, you know, they've treated Patrick Clancy very gently, but 410 00:30:08.460 --> 00:30:10.440 I think that's something that they need to talk about 411 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:15.130 for trial too. How, you know, are they going to, 412 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.490 are they going to go a little harder on Patrick 413 00:30:17.509 --> 00:30:21.609 Clancy and ask him some tough questions or any questions 414 00:30:21.690 --> 00:30:25.309 at all that are at all? Like the second question 415 00:30:25.369 --> 00:30:28.910 is like, what father did you meet? What father, what's, 416 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.019 baby murdering father did you hang out with and why 417 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.769 and how many are you going to prisons how are 418 00:30:39.809 --> 00:30:45.430 you meeting these people how did you seek out women 419 00:30:45.470 --> 00:30:47.910 who killed their kids and what did they tell you 420 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.700 spoiler alert I'm sure they all said it was really 421 00:30:51.740 --> 00:30:54.460 sick I heard a voice yeah it was the voice 422 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.420 Patrick Clancy it was the voice. 423 00:30:59.150 --> 00:31:02.359 The facts of the case, the evidence presented, evidence not 424 00:31:02.410 --> 00:31:09.059 presented at trial, and jury deliberations. Restraints on further extrajudicial 425 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.299 statements are necessary in this case to protect the integrity 426 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:17.079 and fairness of the judicial system. In Gentile v. State 427 00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:20.900 Bar of Nevada, the limitations granted in that case were 428 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.920 aimed at comments likely to influence the actual outcome of 429 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:28.450 the trial and comments likely to prejudice the jury veneer. 430 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.140 And that's what we're asking for here because both sides 431 00:31:32.180 --> 00:31:35.480 have a right to a fair and impartial trial. What 432 00:31:35.509 --> 00:31:38.029 we saw at times during the course of this trial 433 00:31:38.069 --> 00:31:42.890 and after were statements calculated to affect the public perception 434 00:31:43.490 --> 00:31:48.990 of this case. Statements targeted at the juror where defense 435 00:31:49.029 --> 00:31:51.829 counsel said that the other jurors were robbed by that 436 00:31:51.990 --> 00:31:55.130 holdout juror, that he hopes that person could sleep well 437 00:31:55.190 --> 00:31:55.450 at night. 438 00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:57.720 Right. 439 00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:01.430 He said he was robbed. What did he say? Who 440 00:32:01.470 --> 00:32:05.849 was robbed? Let's hear that one more time. I keep 441 00:32:05.869 --> 00:32:12.309 saying Patrick Reddington. Kevin Reddington's comments. I really see Patrick 442 00:32:12.369 --> 00:32:16.819 and Kevin Reddington as part of Lindsey Clancy's defense team, obviously. 443 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.599 What is that phrase? From the heart, the mind talks? 444 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:23.200 I don't know. 445 00:32:23.220 --> 00:32:24.740 From the mind, the heart. I don't know. 446 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.650 Targeted at the jerk? where defense counsel said that the 447 00:32:28.670 --> 00:32:32.170 other jurors were robbed by that holdout juror, that he 448 00:32:32.210 --> 00:32:37.240 hopes that person could sleep well at night. Statements personalizing 449 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:39.640 the relationship he has with the defendant, saying that she's 450 00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:45.759 like a daughter to him. Statements asking for a presidential pardon, 451 00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:49.180 even though that's not possible. Statements asking for the president. 452 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.819 Right. So Kevin Reddington asked for, in an interview, he 453 00:32:53.900 --> 00:33:00.160 asked for a presidential pardon. Okay, spoiler alert to everyone. 454 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:08.440 The president only has jurisdiction over federal, federal court system. 455 00:33:08.779 --> 00:33:13.259 This is a state trial. Kevin Reddington knows this. If 456 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:20.059 I know this, Kevin Reddington knows this. And you can 457 00:33:20.099 --> 00:33:26.400 hear the disgust that Attorney Sprague has when she mentions this. 458 00:33:26.930 --> 00:33:35.900 when she mentions Kevin Reddington's post-trial, during-trial innocence fraud campaign. 459 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:37.759 Right, that's what he wants his pink shirt and mafia 460 00:33:37.779 --> 00:33:38.359 to do, pressure. 461 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:38.519 The DA crews. 462 00:33:54.920 --> 00:34:02.009 Wesley loves Oktoberfest. Nice to see you, Wesley. Wesley's an angel. 463 00:34:02.829 --> 00:34:08.110 Some AC fund cash. Wesley the dog is now an angel. 464 00:34:09.409 --> 00:34:12.070 Some AC fund cash. Summer will be here before we 465 00:34:12.090 --> 00:34:18.480 know

it. Oh, boy. For winter first. Thank you, Wesley. 466 00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:23.500 The Bebo show. Thank you for the jewels. Okay. 467 00:34:28.900 --> 00:34:32.880 And when asked if those that request was inappropriate his 468 00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:33.880 response was i don't. 469 00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:43.449 Care oh there's the black-eyed soulless twins they're like if 470 00:34:43.530 --> 00:34:47.449 the shining twins grew up and had dark hair. 471 00:34:47.250 --> 00:34:52.420 I mean look at those black black eyes And at 472 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.920 one point, I think it's the thumbnail to this episode, 473 00:34:56.019 --> 00:35:00.590 she turns and Lindsay Clancy, the baby murderer, turns and 474 00:35:00.650 --> 00:35:06.010 looks at the prosecution team and gives the cold, psychopathic 475 00:35:06.090 --> 00:35:07.610 fish eyes to them. 476 00:35:08.750 --> 00:35:11.010 And then also statements about your honor. When asked about 477 00:35:11.050 --> 00:35:14.070 your mandatory retirement approaching, he said, I'm going to try 478 00:35:14.110 --> 00:35:16.469 to hire him and see if he'll come work for me. No, 479 00:35:16.510 --> 00:35:18.760 Sully is a great guy. He was a wonderful defense 480 00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:21.920 attorney before he became a judge. Statements like this. 481 00:35:24.369 --> 00:35:31.539 Sully. Sully. Judge Sullivan. Sully to... And Kevin Reddington says 482 00:35:31.900 --> 00:35:34.820 in this hearing, I want to try this case before you. 483 00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:42.739 I want to try it this spring. How much do 484 00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:49.239 you want to bet they've socialized outside of court? I 485 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.780 want to try this case with the most defense-friendly judge 486 00:35:54.260 --> 00:35:59.340 that I can possibly get. You just saw Kevin Reddington 487 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:07.199 just bully him. But that's what this is about. The 488 00:36:07.570 --> 00:36:13.190 prosecution says, can we shut down this innocence fraud campaign? 489 00:36:14.829 --> 00:36:19.190 Can we shut down? Can we put a gag order? 490 00:36:19.610 --> 00:36:22.219 And they go on to say, like, We never gave 491 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:27.909 any interviews, pre-trial, during trial interviews. We did nothing. And 492 00:36:27.949 --> 00:36:31.869 look at the results, 11 to 1. They do these 493 00:36:32.130 --> 00:36:36.530 pre-trial innocence fraud campaigns and during trial innocence fraud campaigns 494 00:36:36.570 --> 00:36:40.630 because they work and because the facts are against them. 495 00:36:44.090 --> 00:36:47.079 And they have carte blanche. You know, there is punishment 496 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:53.519 for lying to the court, perjury charges, right? and possibly 497 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:57.170 going up in front of the bar, etc., etc., being disbarred. 498 00:36:57.530 --> 00:37:01.730 But there's no punishment for lying to a reporter or 499 00:37:01.909 --> 00:37:09.219 to a newscaster or to a podcaster or to a 500 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:15.599 bunch of reporters on the courthouse steps. And that's where 501 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.639 innocence fraud really flourishes. Because there are no rules. And 502 00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:23.579 our media will back these lawyers up and make them 503 00:37:23.659 --> 00:37:27.219 superstars every time. Be like, oh, they're incredible lawyers. 504 00:37:28.059 --> 00:37:28.440 Really? 505 00:37:30.340 --> 00:37:34.880 They were such incredible lawyers. They wouldn't have to. Have 506 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:40.829 to have a have a. Innocence fraud campaign. They'd be 507 00:37:41.030 --> 00:37:42.230 lawyering in court. 508 00:37:42.489 --> 00:37:46.739 Calculated to affect the jury's perception of the case. and 509 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.460 the fairness of the system, fairness of the judge presiding 510 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.769 over the case, and they're just inappropriate. Because as stated 511 00:37:53.829 --> 00:38:00.110 in ReCobb, quote, if judicial system is to operate fairly, rationally, 512 00:38:00.190 --> 00:38:03.989 and impartially as it must, and if the administration of 513 00:38:04.050 --> 00:38:07.389 justice is to proceed in an orderly manner, judges and 514 00:38:07.449 --> 00:38:11.099 attorneys alike must act with responsibility towards those principles. 515 00:38:12.210 --> 00:38:14.610 The other thing that is said in this, that Kevin 516 00:38:14.869 --> 00:38:19.019 Reddington says in this hearing, is that Lindsay Clancy is 517 00:38:19.300 --> 00:38:28.420 very involved, very involved in her defense. So they switched 518 00:38:28.460 --> 00:38:35.429 defense tactics from saying Lindsay Clancy did it, she was sick, 519 00:38:36.110 --> 00:38:39.550 to now, who said she did it? We're not saying, 520 00:38:39.570 --> 00:38:44.920 she never confessed. Prove it. And I would think that 521 00:38:45.019 --> 00:38:48.760 that was a decision made both by Lindsay Clancy and 522 00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:59.880 Kevin Reddington together. Maybe Patrick Clancy. They're using the public 523 00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:04.909 to get ideas. And Karen Reid did this. She crowd-served ideas. 524 00:39:07.550 --> 00:39:08.170 And used them. 525 00:39:12.429 --> 00:39:16.880 Now, The defense attorney arguing this motion says that our 526 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.860 concerns are speculative because we don't have a new trial 527 00:39:19.900 --> 00:39:23.110 date yet and argues that things like a change of 528 00:39:23.150 --> 00:39:26.369 venue or sequestration or limits on what the parties can 529 00:39:26.409 --> 00:39:29.170 say later on in the course of the case would 530 00:39:29.210 --> 00:39:32.239 remedy our concerns. But the public isn't going to just 531 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:37.579 ignore prejudicial and inflammatory and inappropriate statements just because we 532 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.400 don't have a date on the docket yet. And a 533 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.909

lot of the remedies that are proposed, if these statements continue, 534 00:39:44.250 --> 00:39:46.739 won't work. A change of venue. Where do we go? 535 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:50.110 What county, what state, what country do we go that 536 00:39:50.170 --> 00:39:53.090 hasn't seen this trial, hasn't heard about this trial, hasn't 537 00:39:53.190 --> 00:39:58.760 heard or seen the defense counsel's comments? Sequestration doesn't change 538 00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:03.260 what is heard up to that point. Limits to these 539 00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:07.260 statements should be imposed. And I know the argument might be, well, 540 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:10.090 it's already out there, so what's the harm? The harm 541 00:40:10.130 --> 00:40:14.210 is the continuation of it. If it stops now, then 542 00:40:14.250 --> 00:40:16.269 it can recede into the background and we can move 543 00:40:16.329 --> 00:40:19.550 forward and hopefully find a jury at some point if 544 00:40:19.610 --> 00:40:23.719 that's the route we go to hear this case in 545 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:27.340 an impartial and fair manner without all of this extraneous influence. 546 00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:33.119 The other concern of Attorney McConnell is that the Commonwealth 547 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.179 and defense counsel are subject to different rules in our 548 00:40:36.219 --> 00:40:41.110 proposed order. The prosecution is already subject to a different rule, 549 00:40:41.170 --> 00:40:44.369 Rule 3.8, governing prosecutors, which is much more strict than 550 00:40:44.409 --> 00:40:48.289 Rule 3.6. And up to this point and going forward, 551 00:40:49.090 --> 00:40:51.579 we have not violated those rules. We have not made 552 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.960 any extrajudicial statements that are inflammatory about this case. Attorney 553 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:59.099 Buckingham and I have said nothing but no comment in 554 00:40:59.139 --> 00:41:03.369 this case. You can impose those same restrictions on us 555 00:41:03.449 --> 00:41:05.650 if you want to. We have no objection to that 556 00:41:06.190 --> 00:41:08.809 because I am not looking for 15 minutes of fame 557 00:41:09.130 --> 00:41:09.730 in this case. 558 00:41:11.170 --> 00:41:18.360 There's a mistake. It's not Kevin Reddington's enjoying his fame. 559 00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:29.210 Don't get me wrong. But he enjoys the grift. I 560 00:41:29.269 --> 00:41:34.159 believe this is my view. More than he enjoys the fame. 561 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:39.019 The fame is just like the icing. The cake is 562 00:41:39.099 --> 00:41:46.550 the grift. So I'm going to keep it short today. 563 00:41:46.570 --> 00:41:53.309 I'm going to be back very soon. Very soon. And 564 00:41:53.369 --> 00:41:58.590 we're going to talk about some of these civil cases 565 00:41:58.710 --> 00:42:03.019 that they have going. Difference between Patrick clancy's civil case 566 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:07.349 and lindsey clancy's civil case and the possible effects on 567 00:42:07.610 --> 00:42:12.090 what could happen with the criminal case the civil case 568 00:42:12.110 --> 00:42:16.059 is going could they use some of these depositions if 569 00:42:16.099 --> 00:42:19.699 they are taking depositions in the civil case in the 570 00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:25.559 criminal case stay tuned i think that this is one 571 00:42:25.579 --> 00:42:32.000 of the more fascinating stories um Obviously, it's my interest, 572 00:42:32.059 --> 00:42:38.500 innocence fraud. But let's see what happens. I'm not entirely 573 00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:42.159 sure that she's going to be retried. How do you 574 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.530 retry a case with everything against you? You have the 575 00:42:45.590 --> 00:42:50.329 victim's family against you. You have a huge innocence fraud campaign. 576 00:42:50.349 --> 00:42:57.670 You have the media against you. I mean, Lindsay Clancy 577 00:42:57.690 --> 00:43:01.070 is in the driver's seat. So that's what I have 578 00:43:01.090 --> 00:43:05.989 for today. Please hit the like, subscribe to the channel. Venmo, 579 00:43:06.050 --> 00:43:09.139 buy me a coffee, Patreon, all great ways to support 580 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:14.079 the channel. Linked in this and every episode's description. Thanks 581 00:43:14.099 --> 00:43:17.260 so much for listening. I will see you back here 582 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:19.820 at six tomorrow. 583 00:43:33.230 --> 00:43:37.269 Mic check, Roberta strides through the static haze. True crime, Gotham, 584 00:43:37.289 --> 00:43:38.780 where the shadows play their plays. 585 00:43:39.050 --> 00:43:40.090 Frauds unfold when. 586 00:43:40.030 --> 00:43:45.840 A spotlight beams. Fact-focused queen busting propaganda schemes. Glass shatter lies, 587 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.500 echoes through the streets. Standing for victims, giving voice their beats. 588 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:54.400 NYC polls, truth sharp as night. Roberta exposing, she's the 589 00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:55.539 anti-fraud light. 590 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:02.409 Thank you. 591 00:44:06.610 --> 00:44:11.849 Hard task warrior, dissecting state and defense Twisted innocence, claims 592 00:44:11.909 --> 00:44:15.590 breaking pretense Gotham's truth seeker, cuts clean with the blade 593 00:44:15.949 --> 00:44:19.090 Facts in the forefront, no justice gets swayed Cold facts 594 00:44:19.170 --> 00:44:23.369 drip heavy, real talk unfurls Cracking cases open like oysters 595 00:44:23.409 --> 00:44:26.889 with pearls Innocence gimmicks crumble to dust in the wind 596 00:44:27.130 --> 00:44:42.150 For victims of creed, justice till the end Headphones blazing, 597 00:44:42.170 --> 00:44:47.269 she drops heavy artillery. Narratives twisted, neat blunt objects civility. 598 00:44:47.510 --> 00:44:51.210 Roberta got receipts that unravel the ploy. Exposing the lies 599 00:44:51.250 --> 00:44:55.489 these fraudsters deploy. Glass shatters lies, echoes through the streets. 600 00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.579 Standing for victims, giving voice their beats. 601 00:44:59.019 --> 00:45:02.960 NYC polls, truth sharp as night. Roberta exposing, she's the 602 00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:04.079 anti-fraud light. 603 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.480 Thank you.