บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Evangelizing Mormons, and More, with Dr. Clint Scott

00:03:36.740 --> 00:03:38.800 your family. So, we'll turn it over to you. 73 00:03:39.259 --> 00:03:41.360 Well, thank you, Danny. I grew up in a little 74 00:03:41.379 --> 00:03:46.199 country town in North Carolina called Denton, North Carolina. And 75 00:03:46.539 --> 00:03:50.629 there were more cows than people and large cornfields and 76 00:03:50.669 --> 00:03:53.530 soybean fields. And I grew up in the hay field, 77 00:03:53.550 --> 00:03:57.289 stacking square bales of hay on the trailer and load 78 00:03:57.310 --> 00:03:59.750 them up into the barn. So, you know, it was 79 00:03:59.770 --> 00:04:02.969 no stranger to hard work and the farm life. We 80 00:04:03.009 --> 00:04:06.169 had a little local church, a Southern Baptist church called 81 00:04:06.210 --> 00:04:09.849 Somerville Baptist Church that I grew up in. There were 82 00:04:09.909 --> 00:04:14.550 some older ladies that really took the children under their 83 00:04:14.610 --> 00:04:17.050 wing and taught them. And I just happened to be 84 00:04:17.149 --> 00:04:19.879 one of those. And I was a product of Vacation 85 00:04:19.939 --> 00:04:25.199 Bible School, a product of Planograph in Sunday School. I'm 86 00:04:25.220 --> 00:04:30.339 dating back to those days. But Barbara Foster, Landis Boone, 87 00:04:30.819 --> 00:04:34.639 Dolores Wilson, and even my mom, Sylvia, all of them 88 00:04:34.670 --> 00:04:38.670 taught us in Sunday School. And I was fortunate to 89 00:04:38.730 --> 00:04:42.129 come to faith at the age of eight, Reverend Lee Horne. 90 00:04:42.550 --> 00:04:45.800 After a vacation Bible school, he showed me in God's 91 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:49.139 Word how I was lost and in need of a Savior. 92 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:53.660 And I remember vividly praying to receive Christ and asking 93 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:57.230 Christ to take up residence in my life. And I 94 00:04:57.259 --> 00:04:59.810 don't have one of those testimonies where I was ever 95 00:04:59.930 --> 00:05:02.269 out of church. I was always in church and always 96 00:05:02.329 --> 00:05:03.509 living for the Lord. 97 00:05:03.589 --> 00:05:04.209 Praise God. 98 00:05:04.370 --> 00:05:07.810 No, I never drank anything, never smoked anything, and married 99 00:05:08.250 --> 00:05:10.899 one of the first girls ever dated. And we've been 100 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:14.449 together 32 years now in marriage. And God's just blessed. 101 00:05:14.490 --> 00:05:17.269 We've just had a great life. You know, the one 102 00:05:17.290 --> 00:05:19.269 thing I will say is that I was passed on 103 00:05:19.310 --> 00:05:22.930 my football team. And so because of my playing football, 104 00:05:22.949 --> 00:05:25.759 I got passed through school. And so when I graduated 105 00:05:25.779 --> 00:05:28.680 high school, I could hardly read. And when I went 106 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.860 to Fruitland Baptist Bible Institute, there was a reading teacher 107 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:35.480 there who had retired. She

was an 82-year-old English teacher. 108 00:05:35.970 --> 00:05:39.639 Margaret Keene, and she sat down with me every evening 109 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:41.800 to read the Word of God to teach me how 110 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.300 to read. And it was amazing. And ever since then, 111 00:05:45.660 --> 00:05:48.439 God's put a hunger in my life to read and 112 00:05:48.459 --> 00:05:51.519 to write and to know more about Him and know 113 00:05:51.550 --> 00:05:53.290 more about what people are saying about Him. 114 00:05:54.009 --> 00:05:54.550 Absolutely. 115 00:05:54.569 --> 00:05:55.649 It's just been a great pursuit. 116 00:05:55.670 --> 00:05:57.490 What positions did you play in high school? 117 00:05:59.459 --> 00:06:03.819 I played some fullbacks on offense, but mainly on defense, 118 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:07.370 middle linebacker. I played a lot of middle linebacker. Yeah. Yeah, 119 00:06:07.389 --> 00:06:09.589 just filling the gap from tackle to tackle. 120 00:06:09.730 --> 00:06:12.189 Absolutely. Did you go to college? Did you play in 121 00:06:12.230 --> 00:06:13.029 college or no? 122 00:06:13.329 --> 00:06:16.750 You know, I went to Wake Forest University for tryouts 123 00:06:17.149 --> 00:06:18.910 and made the team and everything was fine. I had 124 00:06:18.930 --> 00:06:23.069 a full ride and could not pass the scholarship that 125 00:06:23.089 --> 00:06:26.550 was needed there in academia. Wow. That's what God used 126 00:06:26.589 --> 00:06:28.930 to call me to ministry, actually, because everything had been 127 00:06:28.949 --> 00:06:32.189 football up until that point. And I preached my first 128 00:06:32.209 --> 00:06:34.939 sermon to my graduating class. They asked me to speak 129 00:06:34.980 --> 00:06:38.000 at graduation. And they actually, the whole class voted me in. 130 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:39.480 They thought it would be funny to have the captain 131 00:06:39.500 --> 00:06:41.740 of the football team speak. They didn't know God was 132 00:06:41.779 --> 00:06:45.019 doing a thing. And so I had to memorize my 133 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:49.629 whole speech because I couldn't read. Yeah, it was pretty intense. 134 00:06:49.910 --> 00:06:51.319 What an honor. I guess you were probably 17, 18, 135 00:06:51.290 --> 00:06:54.399 something like that. 17, yeah. 136 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:58.290 Wow. 17 years old and graduating high school. Yeah, I 137 00:06:58.329 --> 00:07:03.250 got to speak on the foundations for a successful future. 138 00:07:03.569 --> 00:07:07.029 That's awesome. I didn't know that. That's really cool. But 139 00:07:07.050 --> 00:07:09.389 tell us about Janet and how y'all met and tell 140 00:07:09.410 --> 00:07:11.910 us a little bit about your girls and your sons-in-law. 141 00:07:11.990 --> 00:07:12.709 How's that going? 142 00:07:13.029 --> 00:07:15.709 Yeah, well, Janet and I, we met at Madison, a 143 00:07:15.930 --> 00:07:18.800 little place called Ridgecrest. Oh, yeah. Up in the mountains

144 00:07:18.939 --> 00:07:19.839 in North Carolina. 145 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:20.480 Absolutely. 146 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.459 Yeah. We were at a badger's camp and Our church 147 00:07:23.699 --> 00:07:27.000 was staying in the dorm rooms up above their church. 148 00:07:27.379 --> 00:07:29.759 And so every time she would run out of the 149 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.060 little dorm room, she'd look at me and I was 150 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:34.930 at the balcony. And so one time she looked up 151 00:07:34.949 --> 00:07:36.509 and I said, hey, wait, wait right there. Let me 152 00:07:36.529 --> 00:07:39.209 talk to you. I went down and got her phone number. 153 00:07:39.529 --> 00:07:43.170 The rest was history. We started dating at that point. See, 154 00:07:43.230 --> 00:07:46.470 I was 18 through 16. Wow. And we had a 155 00:07:46.509 --> 00:07:52.079 busy summer in 1994 and graduated from Fruitland Baptist Bible Institute. 156 00:07:52.689 --> 00:07:55.490 In May, we got married in June, took our first 157 00:07:55.589 --> 00:07:59.170 church there in July. So it was pretty amazing. 158 00:07:59.649 --> 00:08:03.269 That's pretty cool. And Janet is a great pastor's wife 159 00:08:03.329 --> 00:08:07.189 because I've seen them in ministry and been with Clint 160 00:08:07.209 --> 00:08:09.509 a couple of places that he's served as pastor and 161 00:08:09.540 --> 00:08:12.680 just been able to see firsthand. And she's a special lady. 162 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:17.120 And your girls are married. Man, life is just moving fast, brother. 163 00:08:17.740 --> 00:08:20.620 It's hard to believe. It seems like yesterday that they 164 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.399 were running around the church. Now they're married and on 165 00:08:23.420 --> 00:08:27.149 their own. Our oldest daughter lives in Maryland. So when 166 00:08:27.170 --> 00:08:29.850 you're in ministry and you move from places, you leave 167 00:08:30.129 --> 00:08:33.929 some of your values behind. One of our values we 168 00:08:33.950 --> 00:08:36.850 left behind, a valuable asset to us was our daughter. 169 00:08:37.330 --> 00:08:40.990 We left her behind there in Maryland. And she's married 170 00:08:41.070 --> 00:08:43.870 and she's doing well and got a good life there. 171 00:08:43.889 --> 00:08:47.779 She's a midwife. So she births babies all the time. 172 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:52.059 And we just found out this past week that we're 173 00:08:52.100 --> 00:08:54.539 getting ready to be grandparents for the first time with her. 174 00:08:54.980 --> 00:08:56.159 Come now. Yeah. 175 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.649 And we're really looking forward to that. 176 00:08:58.950 --> 00:08:59.549 That's awesome. 177 00:08:59.870 --> 00:09:02.570 I've been trying to perfect the naming rights and you 178 00:09:02.610 --> 00:09:07.470 won't really talk about it. That's so sweet. 179 00:09:07.570 --> 00:09:10.360 Being a grandparent, there's nothing like, you know, Ashley and 180 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:11.399 I have nine now. 181 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:14.090 Oh, my goodness. Unbelievable. 182 00:09:14.149 --> 00:09:17.009 So blessed. So grateful to God. And your other daughter, 183 00:09:17.049 --> 00:09:17.750 where does she live? 184 00:09:17.769 --> 00:09:21.850 So Landis, she's actually in Concord, North Carolina. She graduated 185 00:09:21.870 --> 00:09:26.110 from Liberty University with a degree in worship ministry. And 186 00:09:26.230 --> 00:09:29.440 so she's on a church staff. leading work that's great 187 00:09:29.500 --> 00:09:32.379 and so a church there a new church called Sodo 188 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:36.440 in Concord North Carolina and she's married and doing well 189 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:39.539 and just having a good time they're getting ready to 190 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.700 start a coffee business they're going to start a coffee 191 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:45.799 shop and right now they're doing it on weekends on 192 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.519 Friday and Saturday so soon they're going to do that 193 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:50.190 also so yeah. 194 00:09:50.190 --> 00:09:54.480 That's so cool entrepreneur you have there. Let's talk about ministry. 195 00:09:54.779 --> 00:09:58.029 This is something I'm so excited to hear from you. 196 00:09:58.190 --> 00:10:00.960 I know a lot of what Clint's about to say 197 00:10:01.019 --> 00:10:03.740 because he shared with me, but there's a lot I 198 00:10:03.779 --> 00:10:06.070 don't know. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the 199 00:10:06.139 --> 00:10:09.210 work God is doing at Hilltop Baptist Church. I guess, Clint, 200 00:10:09.230 --> 00:10:11.110 first thing is how long have you served as the 201 00:10:11.149 --> 00:10:14.009 pastor there? And so how many years have you been there? 202 00:10:14.029 --> 00:10:14.909 A couple of years, right? 203 00:10:15.299 --> 00:10:18.019 That's right. I'll be here three years in November. I 204 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:21.509 came in November and about two and a half years now. And, 205 00:10:21.789 --> 00:10:24.970 you know, God's really done a huge work here, Danny. 206 00:10:25.029 --> 00:10:27.100 It's been really amazing. I know. 207 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:29.379 I got a text from Clint. It said this is 208 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:31.519 the first of the year. And he said, we baptized 209 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:38.090 117 people. That's amazing. That's amazing anywhere in America. But 210 00:10:38.149 --> 00:10:41.009 I would say especially in Wyoming. And the text went 211 00:10:41.049 --> 00:10:43.710 on to say, yeah, we got 25 others waiting baptism 212 00:10:43.769 --> 00:10:45.970 for January and February. This was at the first of 213 00:10:46.009 --> 00:10:48.129 the year. So you said you're going to probably go 214 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.259 to two services. How many services are you in and 215 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:52.899 how many campuses do you have? 216 00:10:53.350 --> 00:10:56.450 We're in two

services now. And matter of fact, if 217 00:10:56.549 --> 00:10:58.340 I would have known it would go as well as 218 00:10:58.429 --> 00:11:00.580 it did, we would have went to two services well 219 00:11:00.620 --> 00:11:03.879 before we did. So let me encourage you pastors that 220 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.779 are listening or watching that, you know, if you're debating on, 221 00:11:06.870 --> 00:11:10.129 should I go to two services, making room is always 222 00:11:10.149 --> 00:11:12.669 a good thing. And I found out the hard way. 223 00:11:13.110 --> 00:11:16.230 And so we made room, and God is blessing. Now, 224 00:11:16.250 --> 00:11:18.750 we have a little something different going on here where 225 00:11:18.789 --> 00:11:22.190 we live and minister because we have a lot of 226 00:11:22.909 --> 00:11:27.120 mine workers. So it's Kona Ash Mining. It's real big 227 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:29.519 here in Green River. And Kona Ash is where they 228 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:32.960 make plastics and soaps and those kind of things out 229 00:11:33.059 --> 00:11:36.009 of and so forth. There's a lot of that kind 230 00:11:36.230 --> 00:11:39.830 of taking place here in this area. So the coal 231 00:11:39.850 --> 00:11:42.370 mines and the shift work causes us a little bit 232 00:11:42.389 --> 00:11:46.309 of an issue because people attend church less here than 233 00:11:46.330 --> 00:11:49.340 they would in other places because they're working a lot 234 00:11:49.419 --> 00:11:51.759 on Sundays. So we have a lot of people that 235 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:55.610 attend churches just twice a month instead of attending three 236 00:11:55.629 --> 00:11:57.929 or four times a month. So that's sort of difficult. 237 00:11:57.990 --> 00:12:00.360 But our first year, we baptized a little over 100. 238 00:12:00.340 --> 00:12:05.759 Our second year, we baptized 135. And then this year already, 239 00:12:05.820 --> 00:12:09.759 we baptized 55. We have baptism come up this week. 240 00:12:09.820 --> 00:12:11.470 We've got 10, I think, that are going to be 241 00:12:11.490 --> 00:12:12.549 baptized this week. 242 00:12:12.769 --> 00:12:13.090 Wow. 243 00:12:13.129 --> 00:12:15.690 And we have 82 awaiting baptism. 244 00:12:15.809 --> 00:12:16.450 Praise God. 245 00:12:16.590 --> 00:12:18.970 We think we'll baptize over 200 this year. 200 this year. 246 00:12:21.009 --> 00:12:23.509 Well, you mentioned to me, and praise the Lord, I 247 00:12:23.549 --> 00:12:25.850 tell you, the older I get in ministry, when I 248 00:12:25.889 --> 00:12:29.000 hear things like that, I just stop and we just 249 00:12:29.009 --> 00:12:31.559 give God glory. And I know Clint does too. I 250 00:12:31.580 --> 00:12:32.980 think he told me one time, he said, I'm just 251 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:36.600 trying not to get in the way. God is all God. 252 00:12:36.659 --> 00:12:39.960 It's all God. And I have a son in the ministry, Clint. 253 00:12:39.980 --> 00:12:43.620 He's up in Arkansas, and they've grown so much in 254 00:12:43.659 --> 00:12:46.379 their student ministry. They've had to move out of the 255 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:49.850 student building into the worship center. And they run about 256 00:12:49.850 --> 00:12:53.740 400 kids on a Wednesday night. And Brian's only like 30, 257 00:12:53.740 --> 00:12:57.820 33 years old. I said, Brian, please, please, please stay humble. 258 00:12:58.059 --> 00:13:01.220 Don't take credit. Just give God all the glory. And 259 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:02.919 he goes, yes, sir, dad. He said, I am. He said, 260 00:13:02.940 --> 00:13:05.539 because I know it's the Lord. But tell us about 261 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:07.899 some of these converts. I know some of them come 262 00:13:07.940 --> 00:13:09.500 from the Mormon church. 263 00:13:09.539 --> 00:13:12.830 Is that right? We have a lot of people coming 264 00:13:12.850 --> 00:13:16.070 from the Mormon church. What we have found in reaching, 265 00:13:16.429 --> 00:13:18.200 let me back up here a little bit and say 266 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.480 as a pastor and in a mowing church, I have 267 00:13:21.539 --> 00:13:25.179 found that many times The thermostat is in the pulpit. 268 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:28.440 So if you're a soul winner and if you're willing 269 00:13:28.460 --> 00:13:32.139 to reach people in your life and not as a pastor, 270 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:35.720 just plant. If I just go out and plant as 271 00:13:35.820 --> 00:13:38.299 I go, if I speak about the Lord, the church 272 00:13:38.340 --> 00:13:41.279 around you will catch that. They will catch that and 273 00:13:41.710 --> 00:13:45.289 they will become more of a soul winning church because 274 00:13:45.370 --> 00:13:47.789 of the soul winning effort. And so the thermostat's in 275 00:13:47.809 --> 00:13:49.950 the pulpit on that. And then the other part of 276 00:13:49.990 --> 00:13:52.429 that is that the older you get, the more you 277 00:13:52.470 --> 00:13:55.830 realize that everything good in you comes from Jesus and 278 00:13:55.889 --> 00:13:57.470 everything bad in you comes from you. 279 00:13:57.490 --> 00:13:58.250 That's true. 280 00:13:58.470 --> 00:14:01.230 You know, it's like the Roman seven life. You know, 281 00:14:01.309 --> 00:14:04.740 anytime you read Roman seven, you realize that this old 282 00:14:04.779 --> 00:14:08.799 flag is tied to you like a Roman murderer. And 283 00:14:08.820 --> 00:14:11.379 you've got that flag tied to you. That is your 284 00:14:11.419 --> 00:14:13.970 judgment and decaying on you. And the only reason, A 285 00:14:14.009 --> 00:14:16.370 way to cut that loose is the Spirit of God. 286 00:14:16.429 --> 00:14:20.009 And so when the Spirit of God takes over, then 287 00:14:20.090 --> 00:14:23.789 big things happen. And that's where all the honor, glory, 288 00:14:23.850 --> 00:14:26.830 and credit goes to, is it goes to the Lord, 289 00:14:27.009 --> 00:14:29.929 you know, and the Spirit of God in that.

I 290 00:14:29.950 --> 00:14:32.450 would also say, talking about, I don't know what's going 291 00:14:32.590 --> 00:14:35.769 on with these little earbud things, but obviously I'm going 292 00:14:35.789 --> 00:14:37.549 to have to get the stapler and staple them to 293 00:14:37.570 --> 00:14:39.990 my head or something. I don't know, but They keep 294 00:14:40.029 --> 00:14:43.730 falling out. But here's the thing about reaching Mormons. Mormonism 295 00:14:44.029 --> 00:14:48.210 is very work oriented. And when you come and preach 296 00:14:48.309 --> 00:14:52.220 to people about liberty in Christ, the real freedom that's 297 00:14:52.299 --> 00:14:55.879 in Jesus, and then love people in spite of their mess. 298 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.240 And if you're going to reach people, then your church 299 00:14:58.340 --> 00:15:01.529 has to be comfortable with messy people. And you have 300 00:15:01.590 --> 00:15:05.710 to celebrate the messy people that come forward in your 301 00:15:05.769 --> 00:15:08.250 church and give their life to Christ. And you have 302 00:15:08.289 --> 00:15:10.169 to take them right where they are. And that's what 303 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:13.120 I find that the Mormon church doesn't do. And the 304 00:15:13.149 --> 00:15:16.720 Mormon church is quick. They communicate people from their church. 305 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:20.559 But when you start explaining to people that the Bible 306 00:15:20.580 --> 00:15:25.360 speaks to salvation outside of work and speaks to salvation 307 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:30.149 outside of baptism, and speaks to salvation through Jesus and 308 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:32.919 him alone, and they start to realize that what they 309 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:36.860 have been convinced of is a different Jesus, not the 310 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:40.419 Jesus of the Bible. The Mormon Jesus is the first 311 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:46.309 created of God. The Mormon Jesus is a mini-God and 312 00:15:47.330 --> 00:15:49.909 is a God that you can also become just like. 313 00:15:50.190 --> 00:15:52.789 You can become a God like he is. We know 314 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:55.429 that is not what the Bible teaches. And when you 315 00:15:55.450 --> 00:15:57.659 sat down with the Bible and you began to say, 316 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:00.840 this is what the Bible teaches, why would you use 317 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:04.759 something else? And why would you use the Book of Mormon? 318 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:10.450 Why would you use any other man's writing or any 319 00:16:10.649 --> 00:16:14.639 other philosophy when the Bible has stood the test of time? 320 00:16:14.950 --> 00:16:17.950 And we have, of course, the canonized Bible of the 321 00:16:17.950 --> 00:16:22.529 66 books that we use in our church to explain that. 322 00:16:22.850 --> 00:16:25.929 And then you get into things like being baptized for 323 00:16:26.009 --> 00:16:30.009 other people so that you can be baptized for the dead. 324 00:16:30.389 -->

00:16:32.750 You know, I'm like, where's that in the Bible? You know, 325 00:16:32.769 --> 00:16:36.210 let's go through Scripture. What does the Bible teach about baptism? 326 00:16:36.309 --> 00:16:39.679 And why should we be baptized? And Of course, we 327 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.399 all know that we're baptized so that we can give 328 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.860 a testimony to the world of what Christ has done. 329 00:16:47.539 --> 00:16:50.620 And it has no salvific tendency to it. And so 330 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.059 the Mormon church has just got it wrong. And they 331 00:16:53.220 --> 00:16:57.299 are an occult, and they are not a Christian church, 332 00:16:57.700 --> 00:17:00.179 even though they want to be classified that way and 333 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.500 called a Christian church. They are not. Their beliefs are 334 00:17:03.570 --> 00:17:04.200 not Christian. 335 00:17:04.220 --> 00:17:06.329 They're not. They have a lot of the same terminology. 336 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.500 you know, God, Jesus, church, and that sort of thing. 337 00:17:09.900 --> 00:17:12.650 But when you start going deeper into it, you're like, 338 00:17:12.849 --> 00:17:15.250 like you said a moment ago, that's not the Jesus 339 00:17:15.450 --> 00:17:18.609 of the New Testament or the Old Testament. It's the 340 00:17:18.809 --> 00:17:22.140 brother of Satan, created being and all this. You're like, 341 00:17:22.220 --> 00:17:25.279 what in the world? So, man, that's exciting. I just, 342 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:27.740 you know, I know you guys are leading a lot 343 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.420 of these folks to Christ and I just attribute it 344 00:17:30.660 --> 00:17:33.839 to the favor of God, Clint, and just God's anointing, 345 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:37.119 God's favor. Of course, as Spurgeon said, he hit straight 346 00:17:37.180 --> 00:17:40.390 licks with crooked sticks. We're all in process. We're all 347 00:17:40.430 --> 00:17:45.230 being sanctified. But man, y'all are willing, you're faithful, you're bold. 348 00:17:45.650 --> 00:17:48.049 And it seems that God just has an affinity with that. 349 00:17:48.089 --> 00:17:51.150 He is anointing that and blessing that. So I'm excited 350 00:17:51.190 --> 00:17:53.789 for you in that. I hope y'all continue to reach many. 351 00:17:54.210 --> 00:17:56.720 What would you say of like if 100% of the 352 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.440 people come to faith in Christ, what percentage of those 353 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:01.789 would come from the Mormon background, do you think? 354 00:18:02.190 --> 00:18:04.539 I would say that we're 50%. 355 00:18:04.539 --> 00:18:08.190 50% of all those baptisms of people. It's amazing. 356 00:18:08.470 --> 00:18:13.329 We're 50% coming from Mormon background. Another 10, 15% coming 357 00:18:13.349 --> 00:18:17.390 from Jehovah's Witness background. We have a lot of Jehovah 358 00:18:17.430 --> 00:18:19.750 Witnesses too that are coming to Christ. As a matter 359 00:18:19.769 --> 00:18:21.390 of fact, I was just talking to a man this 360 00:18:21.430 --> 00:18:24.349 morning on text message. He'd come to Christ a month ago, 361 00:18:24.690 --> 00:18:27.700 been a Jehovah Witness all his life. His whole family 362 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.960 is Jehovah Witness, and now his whole family is starting 363 00:18:30.980 --> 00:18:33.640 to come to Christ. His dad and mom are coming 364 00:18:33.660 --> 00:18:37.039 to Christ. His grandparents are starting to turn toward Jesus. 365 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:43.490 And just to see that evangelism fire multiply as someone... 366 00:18:43.369 --> 00:18:47.190 has their heart strangely stirred by Jesus, you know, and 367 00:18:47.210 --> 00:18:49.869 to see that affect the whole family. I think about 368 00:18:49.910 --> 00:18:54.150 like the jailer, you know, with Paul and Silas, you know, 369 00:18:54.190 --> 00:18:56.670 what must I do to be saved? You know, his 370 00:18:56.740 --> 00:18:57.779 whole house got saved. 371 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:01.099 I did. That's awesome. Oikos. Oikos evangelism. 372 00:19:01.180 --> 00:19:01.579 Amen. 373 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:08.079 We do an annual evangelism at Provo. at the BYU campus. 374 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:12.240 We send some fired up Baptists and I've gone with them. 375 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.859 And we go out there and every year our young 376 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:17.289 adult pastor takes a group of people, does a lot 377 00:19:17.329 --> 00:19:19.990 of training with them, teaching them about what Mormons believe. 378 00:19:20.049 --> 00:19:22.410 And when I went, they won't let you on the 379 00:19:22.470 --> 00:19:26.089 campus at BYU to evangelize. They will stop you, but 380 00:19:26.130 --> 00:19:28.869 they can't stop you at a public place. Like when 381 00:19:28.910 --> 00:19:32.349 kids come out of their housing, whatever, and it's off campus, 382 00:19:32.390 --> 00:19:34.390 they start walking to the campus. We just say, hey, 383 00:19:34.410 --> 00:19:36.079 can we talk to you? And And we've had a 384 00:19:36.099 --> 00:19:38.420 great time. There's a pastor out there, Clint, you would 385 00:19:38.460 --> 00:19:42.130 really like him, Brendan Scroggins. And he is the pastor, 386 00:19:42.150 --> 00:19:44.849 I think, First Baptist Church of Provo. And doing a 387 00:19:44.890 --> 00:19:48.579 really good, good work in reaching people and making disciples. Well, 388 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:50.799 let me see. I want to talk to you about, 389 00:19:50.819 --> 00:19:53.160 I know, oh man, our time is going fast, but 390 00:19:53.259 --> 00:19:54.940 I wanted to hear a little bit about your heart 391 00:19:54.980 --> 00:19:58.400 for international missions. I know you go to Ethiopia, I 392 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:00.420 want to say, once a year. Tell us about that. 393 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:05.220 Yeah, Danny, I spend time in Ethiopia, India, Brazil, Cuba, 394 00:20:05.619 --> 00:20:06.220

and Mexico. 395 00:20:06.380 --> 00:20:06.950 Praise God. 396 00:20:07.109 --> 00:20:10.900 And so, I believe in indigenous pastors. I believe that 397 00:20:10.940 --> 00:20:13.769 if we train those indigenous pastors in the Word of 398 00:20:13.829 --> 00:20:18.650 God and how to preach expository messages and letting the 399 00:20:18.730 --> 00:20:22.549 Bible speak to people, that the planes of revival and 400 00:20:22.609 --> 00:20:26.059 evangelism will happen in those areas. And that's what we're 401 00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:30.619 seeing in these areas that I've spent my time in. Especially, 402 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:33.359 I've been in India longer than I have anywhere else, 403 00:20:33.500 --> 00:20:37.849 and I see in a little place called Bhadravadi and Bangalore, 404 00:20:37.869 --> 00:20:40.710 I see that the church is alive and well. We've 405 00:20:40.750 --> 00:20:46.230 now planted 110 churches in India. And we now are 406 00:20:46.289 --> 00:20:51.480 seeing people saved and baptized weekly there in India. And 407 00:20:51.539 --> 00:20:54.990 if you know much about India, India today has become 408 00:20:55.049 --> 00:21:00.289 extremely hostile to evangelism. And as a matter of fact, 409 00:21:00.349 --> 00:21:02.130 as I'm speaking to you right now, I have two 410 00:21:02.190 --> 00:21:05.940 pastors that have come through some of our education processes 411 00:21:06.339 --> 00:21:09.000 that were sharing the gospel on the street, and they 412 00:21:09.019 --> 00:21:12.180 are now in prison for sharing the gospel. Wow. It's 413 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:14.359 not just prison, but they're in the sugar cane field, 414 00:21:14.849 --> 00:21:18.609 studying sugar cane all day. And so it's not an 415 00:21:18.690 --> 00:21:21.930 easy life at all. And so their family goes without. 416 00:21:22.390 --> 00:21:27.700 And it's an extremely difficult plight to be a pastor 417 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:31.160 in India, a Christian pastor. I put it all on 418 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.440 the line every day for the gospel. And so teaching 419 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:39.930 these men to preach, positionally, it is vital what the 420 00:21:39.990 --> 00:21:43.269 church is about there and is vital, I believe, to 421 00:21:43.589 --> 00:21:47.059 seeing what God is doing in India. And then also 422 00:21:47.130 --> 00:21:50.299 in Ethiopia, we just got back from Ethiopia last week 423 00:21:50.700 --> 00:21:56.200 and 96 pastors while in Ethiopia And we were doing 424 00:21:56.380 --> 00:22:00.519 crusades in the jungle, and then we were preaching in 425 00:22:00.539 --> 00:22:04.220 the markets at times, and then also teaching. So I 426 00:22:04.259 --> 00:22:07.619 had the chance to teach expository teaching to those pastors. 427 00:22:07.769 --> 00:22:13.269 And what an outpouring of God's blessings upon the church 428 00:22:13.470 --> 00:22:18.170 to see them step forward and expository preaching, to be 429 00:22:18.269 --> 00:22:21.369 able to say thus saith the Lord, which really a 430 00:22:21.410 --> 00:22:25.190 pastor standing in the pulpit, people don't come to hear me. 431 00:22:25.250 --> 00:22:28.259 They don't come. I mean, I'm not that intelligent. I mean, 432 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:30.059 like I just told you, I couldn't even read when 433 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.059 I graduated high school. Everything that I am, God is. 434 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:36.640 I mean, God has poured into me everything. And so 435 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.380 to see those pastors stand and preach thus saith the 436 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:43.329 Lord and to see people respond to God out of 437 00:22:43.390 --> 00:22:49.710 witchcraft and out of paganism and idolatry. It's huge. And 438 00:22:50.230 --> 00:22:53.890 people that have no hope, finding hope in Christ. And 439 00:22:53.910 --> 00:22:57.420 those churches are alive. We planted a church a year 440 00:22:57.460 --> 00:23:00.180 ago in Ethiopia. And when I was there this time, 441 00:23:00.220 --> 00:23:03.019 they had 2,000 people in that church. 442 00:23:03.380 --> 00:23:04.099 It's a year old? 443 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:07.640 And it was a jungle church. 444 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:08.299 Wow. 445 00:23:08.500 --> 00:23:10.819 With a grass root. Wow. 446 00:23:11.329 --> 00:23:12.029 Jungle church. 447 00:23:12.150 --> 00:23:15.029 And they had 2,000 people pass into that church. 448 00:23:15.230 --> 00:23:17.069 It's a year old? Is that what I heard you say? 449 00:23:17.630 --> 00:23:22.220 It's a year old. We're buying these little finger systems, 450 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:25.619 almost like a karaoke system. And we put it on 451 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:29.000 like a luggage rack. And the guys that are being 452 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:32.369 trained to be pastors, We call them evangelists. And we've 453 00:23:32.430 --> 00:23:35.230 bought now 30 of these units. And they go into 454 00:23:35.250 --> 00:23:38.859 the marketplace. And when I say the marketplace, there'll be 3,000, 4,000 455 00:23:38.859 --> 00:23:41.640 people in the marketplace. And they'll take those little karaoke 456 00:23:41.740 --> 00:23:44.519 units and they'll stand on the corner and preach Jesus. 457 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:47.519 And they'll get a crowd of 500, 600 people around them. 458 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:51.420 And there'll be 30, 40 people get saved every day 459 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:51.940 that they do. 460 00:23:52.309 --> 00:23:55.170 That's amazing. And what about the government? Do they allow 461 00:23:55.190 --> 00:23:57.009 them to do that or they persecute them? 462 00:23:57.470 --> 00:24:00.470 The government in Ethiopia is wide open. It's a Christian 463 00:24:00.509 --> 00:24:03.859 government mostly. You know, you have the Christian Orthodox that 464 00:24:03.940 --> 00:24:08.220 are big in Ethiopia. But yeah, it's an open place. 465 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.200 But you know, those cusps can close quickly. 466 00:24:11.529 -->

00:24:14.490 Yeah, they can. They really can. We do a lot 467 00:24:14.529 --> 00:24:17.750 of work in Asia and we see the persecution and 468 00:24:17.890 --> 00:24:20.819 it can, it can close really, really quickly. So we 469 00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:24.180 got to work while the sun is shining because there's 470 00:24:24.220 --> 00:24:27.089 coming a time we can't. And that's what y'all are doing. 471 00:24:27.170 --> 00:24:28.930 And Clint, I just want to ask you one more thing. 472 00:24:28.950 --> 00:24:32.619 I know... Serving in the ministry as a pastor, I've 473 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:34.789 been doing it for many years, as you have. And 474 00:24:35.069 --> 00:24:37.589 I know we all go through trials and tribulations and 475 00:24:37.630 --> 00:24:40.150 things that are tough for us. But what would you 476 00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:42.769 say to a pastor listening today? Because a lot of 477 00:24:43.029 --> 00:24:46.200 pastors watch our podcast, and I believe them. a good 478 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:49.130 number of followers of Christ do as well. But maybe 479 00:24:49.170 --> 00:24:51.190 just they're having a hard time in ministry. Maybe they're 480 00:24:51.210 --> 00:24:53.589 not experiencing the fruit or the favor of God in 481 00:24:53.609 --> 00:24:56.190 their ministry right now. It's just a hard season. Or 482 00:24:56.690 --> 00:24:59.450 maybe even just not a pastor, but a believer in 483 00:24:59.509 --> 00:25:02.960 Christ who turns this podcast on and just says, man, 484 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:04.420 I wish I could hear a word from the Lord, 485 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.220 just a word of encouragement to help me get through. 486 00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:09.079 What would you tell that brother or sister? 487 00:25:09.500 --> 00:25:12.910 You know, Danny, now we have a Our son, Zach, 488 00:25:13.309 --> 00:25:16.700 in heaven. And I was pastoring my second church when 489 00:25:16.980 --> 00:25:21.819 Zach passed. And I can remember vividly the day I 490 00:25:21.859 --> 00:25:25.980 preached my son's funeral, a deacon came into my office. 491 00:25:26.339 --> 00:25:28.880 And he told me, he said, how dare you bring 492 00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:32.450 all these new people into my church? And that's the 493 00:25:32.490 --> 00:25:35.950 reason I went to Southeastern Seminary. I resigned that Sunday. 494 00:25:36.410 --> 00:25:38.349 And the next two weeks from there, I was at 495 00:25:38.390 --> 00:25:42.410 Southeastern Seminary. So I know hardship. I know hard times. 496 00:25:42.430 --> 00:25:44.509 I know what it's like to be in a church 497 00:25:44.650 --> 00:25:47.259 that doesn't want you there. God gave me a word 498 00:25:47.670 --> 00:25:52.140 during that time. In Romans chapter 8, in verse 31, 499 00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:55.279 he tells us, he says, what shall we say to these? 500 00:25:55.380 --> 00:25:58.279 And you know, I really pondered that for a long 501 00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.039 time in my life. You know, what shall I say 502 00:26:01.099 --> 00:26:05.000 to these ornery deacons? Or what shall I say to... 503 00:26:05.299 --> 00:26:07.960 The people that don't have the zeal for the gospel 504 00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:10.500 like I have the zeal for the gospel. Or what 505 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:13.619 shall I say when hardship comes my way? Or what 506 00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:16.430 shall I say to my son's death? And it's actually 507 00:26:16.450 --> 00:26:19.049 the passage that I preached at his funeral. And what 508 00:26:19.089 --> 00:26:21.630 God gave me then was he said that he was 509 00:26:21.690 --> 00:26:24.470 for me. And I've never gotten past that. I've never 510 00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:28.799 gotten past the fact that my biggest cheerleader is Jesus. 511 00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:30.299 Yeah, he is for you. 512 00:26:30.609 --> 00:26:32.869 And you know, it's hard. It's hard on its best day. 513 00:26:32.970 --> 00:26:36.730 I tell people that being a pastor is like walking 514 00:26:36.750 --> 00:26:38.809 in a park, Jurassic Park. 515 00:26:40.130 --> 00:26:41.829 That's a walk in the park. 516 00:26:41.910 --> 00:26:43.509 Jurassic. 517 00:26:43.569 --> 00:26:45.450 I got to remember that. That's good. 518 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.059 It's hard on its best day. But we have to 519 00:26:49.099 --> 00:26:52.579 remember always that Jesus is for all. 520 00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:55.680 Man, I'm just grateful for you, Clint. And that's a 521 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:57.920 good word for us. And maybe some of you listening 522 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.430 today needed to hear that Romans 8 passage. What shall 523 00:27:00.470 --> 00:27:02.490 we say to these things? If God is for us, 524 00:27:02.990 --> 00:27:05.390 who can be against us? And we just encourage you 525 00:27:05.430 --> 00:27:08.180 to be faithful as you're serving the Lord in your context, 526 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.259 in your church. As Brother Clint and I, we've been 527 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:13.900 doing this a long time and we're trying to finish 528 00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.259 well and be faithful to God and want to encourage 529 00:27:16.299 --> 00:27:18.839 you to do the same thing. So I thank you, Clint. Man, 530 00:27:18.859 --> 00:27:21.980 this has been rich. I've really enjoyed just seeing you, 531 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.619 getting to fellowship with you a little bit. And man, 532 00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:27.539 just keep going. Don't stop. Keep going. 533 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.400 Well, Danny, thank you so much for your time. And, um, 534 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.460 I hope there's encouragement to some, some of your listeners 535 00:27:33.579 --> 00:27:36.829 and if anybody ever, uh, wants to reach out, uh, 536 00:27:36.890 --> 00:27:41.329 wants to do evangelism in a really lost area, you're 537 00:27:41.349 --> 00:27:44.480 welcome to team up with us at any point. And, um, 538 00:27:44.950 --> 00:27:48.869 We are planting churches all the

time, and we've got 539 00:27:49.190 --> 00:27:53.490 one church planted here already, and we've got several that 540 00:27:53.630 --> 00:27:55.549 are in the works. So we would love to have 541 00:27:55.910 --> 00:27:58.630 any partners that would like to partner in the gospel 542 00:27:59.009 --> 00:28:02.329 in a lost area of Wyoming. 543 00:28:02.630 --> 00:28:05.349 In Wyoming. Beautiful place, but Man, like you said, a 544 00:28:05.369 --> 00:28:08.829 lot of lostness and a lot of opportunities. So Clint Scott, 545 00:28:08.869 --> 00:28:11.640 you can find him. I can probably find you online. 546 00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:14.319 And I guess what's a good place to reach you, Clint, 547 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:16.240 if somebody wanted to partner up with you? 548 00:28:16.660 --> 00:28:19.829 The best way to reach us is on our social media. 549 00:28:20.049 --> 00:28:22.470 If you look up The Hill and just type in 550 00:28:22.490 --> 00:28:26.150 The Hill anywhere on social media, we've got a huge 551 00:28:26.269 --> 00:28:31.119 platform on social media. I was telling our guest evangelist 552 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:35.180 the other day that his sermon was watched by 64,000 people. 553 00:28:35.420 --> 00:28:35.799 Wow. 554 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.440 Yeah, think about that for a minute. Yeah, that was amazing. 555 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.880 All around the world. All around the world. It's an 556 00:28:41.980 --> 00:28:43.829 awesome thing to see what God's doing. 557 00:28:44.220 --> 00:28:46.420 Have y'all changed the name of the church to The Hill, 558 00:28:46.660 --> 00:28:47.859 or are you thinking about doing that? 559 00:28:48.220 --> 00:28:50.460 We have changed the name to The Hill. Yeah, we 560 00:28:51.109 --> 00:28:51.829 changed the name. 561 00:28:52.029 --> 00:28:52.470 I like it. 562 00:28:52.490 --> 00:28:54.589 Yeah, two years ago, I guess it was. 563 00:28:54.809 --> 00:28:56.950 Okay, so it's not Hilltop Baptist, it's The Hill. 564 00:28:57.210 --> 00:28:57.710 It's The Hill. 565 00:28:57.849 --> 00:29:00.970 I like that, brother. I like that a lot. Well, man, 566 00:29:01.009 --> 00:29:03.990 our time is up, but I just enjoyed this so much. 567 00:29:04.059 --> 00:29:05.660 I want to say a prayer for Brother Clint. I'm 568 00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:08.119 going to pray for you, our listeners and viewers, that 569 00:29:08.140 --> 00:29:11.700 God would just bless you. Lord, thank you. for saving us, Jesus. 570 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.500 Thank you that every good thing that we have is 571 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.119 from you, God. Every good, perfect gift comes from you. 572 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:20.819 Thank you for Pastor Clint and Janet, and thank you 573 00:29:20.859 --> 00:29:23.839 for his ministry. I pray blessings and protection over them. 574 00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.529 I do pray, God, for laborers to go into the 575 00:29:26.589 --> 00:29:29.970 harvest there, and I do pray for each pastor and 576 00:29:30.029 --> 00:29:34.029 each follower of Christ listening today that they would be encouraged. Lord, 577 00:29:34.069 --> 00:29:36.450 I pray for those that don't know you, God. Maybe 578 00:29:36.589 --> 00:29:39.829 there's some Mormon folks or Jehovah Witnesses listening in today, 579 00:29:39.890 --> 00:29:43.720 and and they heard the grace gospel of Jesus very 580 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.579 clearly from Pastor Clint, that we can't earn it. We 581 00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:49.920 can't obtain it. We just have to be saved through 582 00:29:50.059 --> 00:29:53.369 God's grace, through faith, simple childlike faith. And Lord, I 583 00:29:53.390 --> 00:29:56.109 just pray you'd save people through this podcast today. And 584 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.440 Thank you again for our time together. We're grateful, and 585 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:01.680 we pray this in Jesus' name. Amen. 586 00:30:04.049 --> 00:30:07.609 Thanks for listening to Reevangelical. We hope today's episode has 587 00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:11.349 edified and enhanced your walk with God. Don't forget to 588 00:30:11.390 --> 00:30:15.069 subscribe to the podcast on iTunes, like us on Facebook, 589 00:30:15.849 --> 00:30:18.509 and follow us on Twitter. We'll see you next week. 590 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:29.369 Like the sound of Revangelical? Our audio production is provided 591 00:30:29.410 --> 00:30:33.210 by Podsworth Media. Check them out at podsworth.com.