บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ 'Summer 2026 Nerd Media Catch-Up' (with Ash Alleyne!)

lot of energy into the world that is best served being thrust into us and our own. 02:05.360 --> 02:07.801 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I want to ride a bike off a ramp, okay? 02:08.442 --> 02:10.263 [SPEAKER_00]: Me too, grandpa. 02:10.603 --> 02:13.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I want to smash something, or skate that is. 02:13.404 --> 02:13.744 [SPEAKER_00]: And then... 02:14.665 --> 02:18.927 [SPEAKER_01]: I went to London yesterday and I went to go see Omere, which I told you about a bit earlier. 02:18.947 --> 02:19.907 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was good. 02:19.927 --> 02:20.388 [SPEAKER_01]: It was fun. 02:20.408 --> 02:23.709 [SPEAKER_01]: It was nice to go with a friend to the theatre. 02:23.849 --> 02:24.870 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to go to the theatre more. 02:25.150 --> 02:28.632 [SPEAKER_01]: But the amount of times I stood in front of that train and thought, this could be you. 02:33.425 --> 02:34.286 [SPEAKER_01]: What if I just do it? 02:34.626 --> 02:36.047 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who she is. 02:36.907 --> 02:37.328 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't. 02:37.808 --> 02:38.629 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't guys. 02:38.729 --> 02:41.570 [SPEAKER_01]: It's called an Impulse of Thoughts, but we all have them. 02:41.991 --> 02:43.092 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure it's possible. 02:43.512 --> 02:44.773 [SPEAKER_01]: Intrusive Thought, thank you. 02:45.053 --> 02:45.773 [SPEAKER_01]: We all have them. 02:45.853 --> 02:48.775 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think vulnerability is about admitting that to each other. 02:49.396 --> 02:50.056 [SPEAKER_00]: That is true. 02:50.296 --> 02:51.477 [SPEAKER_00]: That is true. 02:51.797 --> 02:55.100 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be lying if I said, like, every time I go on something tall, I don't go. 02:56.128 --> 02:57.329 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be such a cool jump. 02:57.970 --> 03:08.658 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, and look, as a girl who has done the suicide ideation dance many times, I can tell these days what is real and what is just my mind playing. 03:08.958 --> 03:11.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Went to worry and went to be like, girl, shut up. 03:12.201 --> 03:13.362 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know, I know. 03:14.143 --> 03:14.723 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a new one. 03:14.743 --> 03:20.588 [SPEAKER_00]: Even for, I feel like it's irresponsible of us talking about this without putting like a helpline number in. 03:21.369 --> 03:23.510 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, girl, help yourself. 03:26.622 --> 03:27.522 [SPEAKER_01]: We all got Google. 03:27.802 --> 03:28.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Just look it up. 03:28.743 --> 03:30.503 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do I gotta be me to do everything? 03:31.784 --> 03:32.964 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be honest now. 03:33.024 --> 03:34.084 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a reality show girl. 03:34.104 --> 03:43.587 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, this I always find it really annoying when we have a serious talk and a conversation about the serious issue And then they're just like if you need help, please call this number. 03:43.907 --> 03:44.247 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like 03:44.747 --> 03:45.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you! 03:45.848 --> 03:46.548 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you! 03:46.928 --> 03:51.211 [SPEAKER_01]: I still think that does anything aside from making you feel better. 03:51.751 --> 03:53.973 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not an anti-content warning kind of thing. 03:54.033 --> 03:58.415 [SPEAKER_00]: I love a good concept warning, but I do question, like how helpful is that to people? 03:58.576 --> 03:58.936 [SPEAKER_01]: Really? 03:59.216 --> 04:03.919 [SPEAKER_01]: What does it do aside from just suede the ego of the person who's brought this conversation on? 04:03.939 --> 04:04.879 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what? 04:05.180 --> 04:06.901 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right, so move you deep. 04:09.442 --> 04:09.903 [SPEAKER_00]: Moving on. 04:10.043 --> 04:11.104 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that. 04:11.344 --> 04:12.785 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying you're not allowed to hold your opinion. 04:12.825 --> 04:17.449 [SPEAKER_00]: I am saying that it's so far from the first step to this conversation that made me. 04:18.030 --> 04:19.491 [SPEAKER_00]: This is that why we recorded today. 04:19.531 --> 04:19.631 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 04:19.651 --> 04:20.772 [SPEAKER_00]: What we're talking about. 04:21.193 --> 04:24.816 [SPEAKER_00]: You are trying to suicide warning, really. 04:25.356 --> 04:26.557 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:26.838 --> 04:27.578 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on girls. 04:27.618 --> 04:28.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Come to the red table. 04:28.499 --> 04:29.840 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's have a real conversation. 04:29.860 --> 04:29.960 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 04:31.779 --> 04:32.480 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we were talking. 04:32.500 --> 04:36.783 [SPEAKER_01]: We were having a little I don't want to say Marvel chatter We're having comic books and nerd media chat. 04:36.803 --> 04:41.967 [SPEAKER_01]: We thought oh, we might as well record this Because you were telling me you're going today to see the spider-man archio. 04:42.247 --> 04:45.570 [SPEAKER_01]: I am going to say to see this vlog this spider-man Spider-man. 04:45.590 --> 04:47.632 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes What how does it go? 04:48.132 --> 04:51.415 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god spider-man spider-man. 04:51.875 --> 04:52.816 [SPEAKER_01]: I forget how this all goes 04:55.723 --> 04:56.525 [SPEAKER_01]: But are you excited? 04:57.146 --> 04:58.369 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I am actually. 04:58.750 --> 04:58.991 [SPEAKER_00]: I am. 04:59.071 --> 04:59.873 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not done with things. 04:59.953 --> 05:00.434 [SPEAKER_00]: All of the people. 05:00.634 --> 05:02.018 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've heard good things from people that I trust. 05:02.744 --> 05:07.087 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I tend to like the Spider-Man movies, for the most part, like the MCU saga. 05:07.107 --> 05:08.208 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, oh, interested. 05:08.248 --> 05:11.490 [SPEAKER_01]: Plus we all have all those, the rumors about Jean Grey. 05:11.570 --> 05:17.914 [SPEAKER_01]: I have, I guess I have to go and engage, but a part of me with the whole

general marvel of it all. 05:18.135 --> 05:21.217 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm losing interest at the rapid pace. 05:21.377 --> 05:21.877 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 05:21.897 --> 05:22.337 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 05:22.798 --> 05:25.560 [SPEAKER_01]: Rapidly, and I'm having a lot of that, you know what? 05:25.600 --> 05:28.542 [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about how we make that claim. 05:28.662 --> 05:30.143 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we make that claim? 05:30.163 --> 05:30.323 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hm. 05:31.965 --> 05:33.577 [SPEAKER_00]: announced a new Black Panther. 05:33.778 --> 05:34.262 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we? 05:35.440 --> 05:38.741 [SPEAKER_01]: I can when they've also, and just canceled Wonderman. 05:39.281 --> 05:40.622 [SPEAKER_01]: For a second. 05:40.662 --> 05:42.002 [SPEAKER_01]: Roll out of that. 05:42.062 --> 05:44.623 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot has been happening in the Nervy. 05:44.683 --> 05:49.564 [SPEAKER_01]: I can also make that claim after S DCC and seeing the nothing that we got. 05:49.644 --> 05:58.667 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was just, genuinely, I just think Marvel, I think it's pretty indisputable, is going through a rough patch. 05:59.047 --> 06:01.128 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, sorry, just for what you said, 06:05.883 --> 06:07.205 [SPEAKER_01]: And look, I love how you wear it. 06:07.225 --> 06:08.426 [SPEAKER_01]: You must be buying venom. 06:09.007 --> 06:11.090 [SPEAKER_01]: I love how you hang, but I don't give up. 06:12.200 --> 06:14.141 [SPEAKER_00]: about him like that one. 06:15.161 --> 06:15.741 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care. 06:16.021 --> 06:22.103 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, also, we just haven't, we just endured a venom saga like fucking four years ago, three years ago. 06:22.343 --> 06:23.083 [SPEAKER_01]: It just happened. 06:23.404 --> 06:24.304 [SPEAKER_01]: Leave us alone. 06:24.404 --> 06:25.764 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a fuck about the king and plaque. 06:25.784 --> 06:27.745 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's no, I don't care. 06:28.645 --> 06:31.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was just, it's a lot, it's a lot. 06:31.046 --> 06:31.786 [SPEAKER_00]: And you don't what? 06:32.246 --> 06:32.787 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you? 06:33.207 --> 06:35.587 [SPEAKER_00]: What about characters that turned you up? 06:35.928 --> 06:37.188 [SPEAKER_00]: Venom, I can just about tolerate. 06:39.028 --> 06:41.809 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the movies were fun because the movies had nothing to do with anything. 06:42.109 --> 06:47.493 [SPEAKER_00]: And largely, that would have been a cool stupid alien movie, even if they had nothing to do with venom. 06:47.573 --> 06:50.214 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was a dumb alien movie that was... Yeah. 06:50.654 --> 06:54.577 [SPEAKER_00]: But carnage specifically, the chop, absolutely chop. 06:54.597 --> 06:55.417 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I doubt that. 06:55.737 --> 06:58.219 [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot, I can't tell you the way that I don't care. 06:59.168 --> 07:00.269 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you where I don't care. 07:00.670 --> 07:05.375 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got what manner of knife gone filing cabinet. 07:05.395 --> 07:05.635 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't. 07:05.655 --> 07:07.777 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you make come out of the tendrils of that creature? 07:07.857 --> 07:08.318 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not in. 07:09.078 --> 07:11.001 [SPEAKER_00]: Do not care. 07:11.801 --> 07:13.343 [SPEAKER_00]: Like him cable calling him. 07:13.643 --> 07:14.764 [SPEAKER_01]: I will also throw in. 07:15.145 --> 07:17.768 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like whenever we go into a place. 07:17.928 --> 07:18.568 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you do. 07:18.889 --> 07:19.590 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll draw a killer. 07:20.170 --> 07:25.115 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care for that in my Marvel comics personally, but I know you really like the, what was a call? 07:25.135 --> 07:28.798 [SPEAKER_01]: The Blood, the Blood, I know you really love Blood Hunt. 07:28.818 --> 07:37.906 [SPEAKER_01]: But to me, I was like, I enjoyed it, but for the most part, I do have this like chip on my shoulder whenever like a Dracula alternate pops up in Marvel comics. 07:37.926 --> 07:39.428 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, I don't want this. 07:42.030 --> 07:46.594 [SPEAKER_01]: This is why I don't care about midnight as well because I don't care but let's suck in vampires. 07:46.654 --> 07:47.535 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a fuck. 07:47.955 --> 07:49.236 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if it's Jonathan Hickman. 07:49.296 --> 07:51.578 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a fuck. 07:51.999 --> 07:52.940 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that. 07:53.480 --> 07:58.164 [SPEAKER_00]: I think midnight obviously like absolute is kicking on right now. 07:58.845 --> 08:00.667 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's kicking Marvel's off. 08:00.947 --> 08:03.069 [SPEAKER_00]: They managed to find another Batman. 08:06.476 --> 08:23.414 [SPEAKER_01]: the cash towel burps another one like truly like what absolute is doing to comics is really amazing oh we got great narrow killing billionaires guys come on in I'm like I'm here bitch and then we have Vixen we have static coming bitch I am excited if you like 08:24.055 --> 08:32.358 [SPEAKER_01]: They are doing like they are giving the girls what they won't they're like catering to the consumer and like I am just really excited And it's been so rare for me. 08:32.378 --> 08:33.818 [SPEAKER_01]: I never really get this way with DC. 08:33.838 --> 08:40.381 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never been this excited for these But I'm sorry You know, do I need to change my red is is residents? 08:40.641 --> 08:44.642 [SPEAKER_00]: Truly I've only been a visitor here, but I'm considering these should I move to Gotham? 08:47.243 --> 08:51.405 [SPEAKER_01]: Not Gothen, absolutely, I mean, no, they're in a star city, maybe. 08:51.685 --> 08:52.665 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll go to Metropolis. 08:52.685 --> 08:54.926 [SPEAKER_01]: The exacting of the flashbacks on the work. 08:55.307 --> 08:56.907 [SPEAKER_00]: The flashbacks on him, Lloyd. 08:57.367 --> 08:58.928 [SPEAKER_00]: He's such a good man. 08:58.948 --> 08:59.888 [SPEAKER_00]:

My dream is great. 09:00.129 --> 09:02.430 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also, if I had to pick it, I said he was a superhero. 09:02.770 --> 09:05.491 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I'm going to the speed, because that actually gets rocked around. 09:06.351 --> 09:07.913 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you hit ban? 09:08.193 --> 09:08.493 [SPEAKER_00]: She's. 09:08.574 --> 09:08.874 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:09.274 --> 09:15.600 [SPEAKER_01]: I would consider moving to like Boston where Wonder Woman is because like, she is, there's magic stuff. 09:15.680 --> 09:16.621 [SPEAKER_01]: I like magic stuff. 09:16.721 --> 09:19.044 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if it means that I might turn into a frog from a couple of weeks. 09:19.384 --> 09:20.245 [SPEAKER_01]: I like, I like to sing. 09:20.285 --> 09:21.366 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, which craft is here? 09:21.566 --> 09:22.287 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fun to me. 09:22.747 --> 09:24.169 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no. 09:24.249 --> 09:24.789 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not. 09:24.929 --> 09:28.153 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if an elder's creature comes out of the ground. 09:28.753 --> 09:32.595 [SPEAKER_00]: When I'm just trying to collect a baguette, I'm slapping everyone. 09:32.935 --> 09:37.538 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I'm going to start swinging while they're going to have too good. 09:37.758 --> 09:42.120 [SPEAKER_01]: And then me, all of a sudden it just turns into the fucking Odyssey and you're like, no, not this. 09:42.280 --> 09:44.361 [SPEAKER_01]: Not right now, I'm trying to go to the gym. 09:44.922 --> 09:46.302 [SPEAKER_01]: Why am I fighting Medusa? 09:46.482 --> 09:47.423 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is Medusa here? 09:48.664 --> 09:49.144 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 09:50.744 --> 09:59.674 [SPEAKER_01]: But no, yeah, it's the one thing I think we can all agree on is that we would nuke Gotham enough I would I be like nothing good happens there. 09:59.994 --> 10:11.267 [SPEAKER_00]: Why are we still trying this is very luxury to me But like I think you could place two or three of the right supervillains in Gotham and it might sort out Which ones would you pick brioniac 10:12.411 --> 10:13.152 [SPEAKER_00]: That has to go there. 10:13.492 --> 10:30.451 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, I know, because I think Gotham is a scary present place and so you will like scarecrow you don't want you don't want in there because you just exacerbate in the problems of the area but every time I see Gotham, it looks horrible, okay, everyone you shit. 10:30.871 --> 10:32.092 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I'm going to go with this. 10:33.575 --> 10:37.556 [SPEAKER_00]: This let poison ivy go in there for a few months. 10:37.916 --> 10:40.177 [SPEAKER_00]: You just need to do like supervillain urban planning. 10:41.357 --> 10:43.858 [SPEAKER_00]: Let, let who does earth quicks in DC? 10:44.558 --> 10:46.759 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess Superman can just jump up and down a couple of times. 10:48.379 --> 10:50.760 [SPEAKER_00]: You take one of your big hits, right? 10:50.960 --> 10:53.361 [SPEAKER_00]: A

couple of go to where the abandoned factories are. 10:53.601 --> 10:54.381 [SPEAKER_00]: Have a fight there. 10:54.661 --> 10:55.441 [SPEAKER_00]: Quick, definitely. 10:56.121 --> 10:57.862 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let poison ivy come in. 10:58.042 --> 11:01.863 [SPEAKER_00]: A couple of people that, couple of people that, but you get six great parks. 11:02.767 --> 11:07.251 [SPEAKER_01]: You do, you do, and you have an organic farm every weekend. 11:08.291 --> 11:09.192 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great. 11:09.252 --> 11:10.233 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be really beautiful. 11:10.273 --> 11:10.613 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. 11:10.693 --> 11:22.041 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that if we're also thinking in terms of hope, and because I think Batman is a depressing ass hero, you need someone who will inspire the girls a little bit, I think, throw in Captain Marvel in there. 11:22.282 --> 11:24.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Let him shizam about that kid. 11:24.343 --> 11:26.425 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he has a good heart that Gotham needs. 11:26.505 --> 11:26.885 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 11:27.425 --> 11:28.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 11:28.186 --> 11:29.467 [SPEAKER_01]: They need a vibe shift. 11:29.947 --> 11:35.390 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they don't need to be worshipping a vermin man and his like, I can do that in general. 11:35.450 --> 11:41.914 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying, I just think aesthetically speaking, maybe we're manifesting something wrong in this city, right? 11:42.814 --> 11:45.075 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. 11:45.316 --> 11:47.437 [SPEAKER_00]: Give the girls some like put stoop man in there. 11:47.797 --> 11:48.317 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not? 11:49.118 --> 11:49.898 [SPEAKER_01]: Plastic man. 11:52.694 --> 11:55.037 [SPEAKER_00]: Get the zinging goes in there. 11:55.978 --> 12:02.825 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that you can really sense that we're like really like reaching around and our minds to be like a DC person. 12:05.875 --> 12:08.698 [SPEAKER_01]: And also we're just like we don't this is not our backyard. 12:08.738 --> 12:25.533 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, we're like, we just moved Just sleeping, we're walking around No, if the issue is that we left the ghetto, sis We're the we're with the Jones says now She absolute serere That's the thing is the ghetto is there I'm here, absolutely 12:28.235 --> 12:30.056 [SPEAKER_01]: And even not the absolute, this is a tanner. 12:30.456 --> 12:33.278 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you put me on the tanner and I have to read that properly? 12:33.738 --> 12:34.578 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think so far? 12:35.419 --> 12:41.122 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it is gorgeous, I think it's luscious, I think it's funny, it's fourth wall breaking. 12:41.462 --> 12:42.923 [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting magic. 12:43.263 --> 12:47.405 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that the thing sometimes boards me about magic is that it doesn't feel like magic. 12:47.525 --> 12:49.746 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a differently colored beams. 12:49.806 --> 12:50.927 [SPEAKER_00]: The people should be each other. 12:51.567 --> 12:55.469 [SPEAKER_00]: And done badly, magic feels exactly like space stuff. 12:56.229 --> 12:56.990 [SPEAKER_00]: Then it was a gadget. 12:58.432 --> 13:26.742 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is why like I actually one of the things that I thought was best about like four of From the ashes four of the ashes four of the whole goddamn thing follow the excellent four of the Four of the rise of the fall of the dry of the ashes back from the ashes from the dirt we're in the dirt The ark is office The oak is covered we are the intern the oak is office in the basement from the ashes 13:27.972 --> 13:51.541 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so magic was one of the better books, and I think because it leaned into like the ceremony of magic, the construction of it, it was science, it was It was, it was rhyming, it was linguistics, and I think Zainza Zetana has that Zetana is more like building a magic system that you get to see happen, which is interesting. 13:52.041 --> 13:54.002 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good, let's, let's a ton of go over there. 13:54.883 --> 14:11.208 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was just going to say on this a ton of thing, I think it's really interesting because I've been reading the ton I've been keeping up with it, but also I read Marvel Comics and comparing it to I think the equivalent obviously is what's for name, Wanda Sorcerous Supreme Scarlet Witch Sorcerous Supreme, that's 14:14.160 --> 14:15.861 [SPEAKER_01]: But because they're the same kind of positions. 14:15.881 --> 14:22.663 [SPEAKER_01]: They're both books that are about this semi-this famous character from the line, and they're like the position of the head, which in charge. 14:23.043 --> 14:36.008 [SPEAKER_01]: And just seeing the kind of vast difference in storytelling styles, because the time has actually telling a story, while to me the issue with books at Marvel Linewine, I'm just using this Carla, which is an example, is that they're not about telling stories. 14:36.068 --> 14:42.011 [SPEAKER_01]: They're feeling a bit more like about giving you things to, to giving you a couple of issues that will have enough sort of stills 14:43.171 --> 14:47.895 [SPEAKER_01]: use to talk about how much you stand this queen is almost catering to stands rather than actual storytelling. 14:47.915 --> 14:52.519 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think line-wide with Marvel right now is a general girth of stories. 14:52.859 --> 15:11.095 [SPEAKER_00]: We're just talking about why is there another fucking venom series going on right now so soon after what's going on right now is are they though are they actually they live around us they're everywhere hmm every time I go on the train every time I travel and you look to your left you look to your right that could be a random purchase or 15:12.237 --> 15:17.960 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing though, if we're looking at the sales though, they're not selling very well and haven't been for a couple years now. 15:18.561 --> 15:29.587 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about

how like for the past this is the first time and I think 30 years that DC is like outselling Marvel this regularly, but like these books in general have just like 15:30.307 --> 15:36.830 [SPEAKER_01]: Number wise alone not been doing well over the last few years in marble and it's get it's just like a It's a sad situation. 15:37.010 --> 15:51.315 [SPEAKER_01]: I think especially from like the quote unquote house of ideas that like these are the stories You're putting out right now even their lined wide stories like have been outside of the X bin and it were X heads But like the doom story the doom book was a complete flop 15:51.855 --> 16:05.045 [SPEAKER_01]: Imperial was a complete flop and now it feels like they're trying something again with Hickman and this midnight thing and I just don't know What that's gonna go, especially when you consider the lack of support that Hickman's last three projects at Marvel have gotten. 16:05.105 --> 16:12.310 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just what is going on The thing is just to think what you want about for Korea and even I'm getting more to say in it 16:13.771 --> 16:16.493 [SPEAKER_00]: The point is, Cricola was like a big swing. 16:16.933 --> 16:17.454 [SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't. 16:17.674 --> 16:18.815 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's change something. 16:19.135 --> 16:27.422 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think when I look at Marvel midnight and I look at DC absolute, it looks like Marvel has once again, like always, learned the wrong fucking lesson. 16:28.062 --> 16:30.865 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolute was like, what if the universe was darker? 16:31.365 --> 16:35.388 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, so I wrote a piece on my Patreon. 16:35.789 --> 16:38.191 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go and sub to it, please do. 16:40.505 --> 16:44.688 [SPEAKER_00]: Patreon.com 4 slash ash and podcast right near for you. 16:45.088 --> 16:49.371 [SPEAKER_00]: But I wrote a piece about the role of billionaires that we know more billionaires. 16:49.391 --> 16:49.591 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:50.192 --> 16:50.432 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:50.872 --> 16:55.355 [SPEAKER_00]: In the Haley of comics, billionaire was like an aspirational thing, right? 16:55.375 --> 16:58.057 [SPEAKER_00]: The halo of wealth wasn't as fucked up. 16:58.377 --> 17:00.719 [SPEAKER_00]: They were only, they weren't like, you didn't have trillionaires. 17:00.739 --> 17:02.300 [SPEAKER_00]: There were way fewer billionaires. 17:02.520 --> 17:03.501 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a bit of 17:04.281 --> 17:09.684 [SPEAKER_00]: of a billionaire that emerged during the Reagan era, this sort of fatterite greed is good. 17:09.784 --> 17:14.467 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, times, right, being rich meant that you succeeded. 17:14.567 --> 17:21.911 [SPEAKER_00]: Being rich was like a sign of success was a sign of smarts because the capacity for exploitation wasn't as widespread. 17:22.352 --> 17:24.213 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, we know that if you're a billionaire, 17:25.143 --> 17:28.125 [SPEAKER_00]: You just had to ring the blood out of millions of people to get there. 17:28.505 --> 17:32.967 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think here's a lesson of like a... Oh, that must mean you're a good smart, great guy. 17:32.987 --> 17:34.348 [SPEAKER_00]: That must mean you're one of the best of us. 17:34.808 --> 17:39.230 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, you worked as like Tony Stark, all of a queen, like... Bruce Wayne. 17:39.411 --> 17:42.792 [SPEAKER_00]: Bruce Wayne, your billionaires, your hero billionaires. 17:45.002 --> 17:49.245 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we started to go, you've got to do some nasty fucked up shit to get and keep that money. 17:50.045 --> 17:52.747 [SPEAKER_00]: And that became like that background hum of these characters. 17:52.787 --> 17:54.488 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that we know billionaires, we fucking hate them. 17:56.029 --> 18:05.755 [SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't surprise me that in absolute, the thing that they've stripped them of in part of their like dark, but more real, relatable, retelling is all the money. 18:06.436 --> 18:09.938 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the status bit, like you're not a princess anymore. 18:09.978 --> 18:11.079 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not a billionaire anymore. 18:11.099 --> 18:12.780 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not this, you're like a person. 18:13.375 --> 18:33.830 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's also just a general thing in the absolute line where, and when I'm like talking to my comic, my local comic book shop, who absolutely love the absolute line or tell me about how well it's selling, the thing that they're really excited about is that they're like, oh, it feels like these are almost creates our own books because you can feel that the writers of these books. 18:34.370 --> 18:37.111 [SPEAKER_01]: are allowed to do what they want and are allowed to experiment. 18:37.231 --> 18:56.621 [SPEAKER_01]: Looking at less line up these books side by side, we talked about absolute Batman, which is about deconstructing Bruce in that way that you're talking about taking away the billions and also making a reason for giving an origin story for all these villains that links to Bruce as well and that you can see their development, which I think is a really cool thing since I started reading it. 18:56.661 --> 18:58.802 [SPEAKER_01]: I really love the way that they're all his family members. 18:59.402 --> 19:00.763 [SPEAKER_01]: In a way, turning into people who hate 19:03.284 --> 19:05.667 [SPEAKER_00]: But then it's the clarification of it. 19:05.887 --> 19:06.968 [SPEAKER_00]: No more enemies. 19:07.229 --> 19:11.773 [SPEAKER_00]: This stupid thing of me being this rich good one and giving me evil powers. 19:11.954 --> 19:13.956 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's what like class solidarity. 19:14.196 --> 19:16.899 [SPEAKER_00]: The people like what my enemies are my family. 19:17.259 --> 19:17.780 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah. 19:18.060 --> 19:18.400 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 19:18.580 --> 19:24.062 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you look at like you're saying with the Wonder Woman as well, like you're

taking away the princess aspect of it. 19:24.082 --> 19:27.843 [SPEAKER_01]: You're taking the community aspect of it and you're also making that kind of the point of it. 19:28.283 --> 19:34.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're making like these an absolute Martian manhunter, which is like a fucking experimental kind of. 19:34.965 --> 19:37.606 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a conversation about comics themselves. 19:37.986 --> 19:38.766 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's a part sorry. 19:39.347 --> 19:39.767 [SPEAKER_01]: I said. 19:40.547 --> 19:46.813 [SPEAKER_01]: acid acid acid house druggy kind of trip where also feels like it's own kind of in sealer world. 19:47.134 --> 20:02.909 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that into the absolute superman but also it's like doing things very differently and like working with the mythos like I think it's like it feels like these creators have been given freedom to do whatever and then given a leash to continue building stuff and I think that is just like really exciting and like Marvel is 20:03.730 --> 20:04.470 [SPEAKER_01]: So not doing that. 20:04.891 --> 20:11.794 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they've, at the risk of us getting a bit, because sometimes we do this when we do it on our road and it's fun and it's light and it's quick. 20:12.094 --> 20:14.736 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we hit accordingly, get a bit pretentious and a bit high-minded. 20:15.296 --> 20:17.937 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but at that calm down, we do. 20:18.417 --> 20:18.878 [SPEAKER_00]: Not too much. 20:19.518 --> 20:19.899 [SPEAKER_00]: We do. 20:19.979 --> 20:20.940 [SPEAKER_00]: We do. 20:22.141 --> 20:27.467 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to keep up a bit of the vibe that we have when we actually just talk off screen, not off screen. 20:27.748 --> 20:30.091 [SPEAKER_00]: But you get like me, do not mean when it's just me and you bullshit. 20:30.611 --> 20:37.900 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if, for me, it feels like you can challenge, we give you the freedom to challenge the status quo. 20:39.050 --> 20:42.913 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like money is good, like hell is bad. 20:43.153 --> 20:52.421 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think so much as black people as people were often cost and framed by popular narrative as quote unquote bad guys. 20:52.441 --> 20:56.204 [SPEAKER_00]: And when they go a wider black people relate to bad and tagging is so much. 20:56.424 --> 20:58.506 [SPEAKER_00]: is because we get framed that way over fucking time. 20:59.126 --> 21:08.454 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course we've learned, of course marginalised people have learned to look past your easy bad guy label, to actually see what's there, because that's how I have to see me. 21:09.035 --> 21:09.975 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to bear hearts. 21:10.376 --> 21:18.422 [SPEAKER_00]: Black people are super predators and criminals in every new segment to see the humanity of these people that all of the sheep around me are just going, oh you told me they're bad, so they're bad. 21:18.863 --> 21:22.466 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think like comics and absolute has challenged that in a bit. 21:22.726 --> 21:23.787 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you told me money was good. 21:24.147 --> 21:25.788 [SPEAKER_00]: It was basically absolute Superman. 21:25.908 --> 21:28.149 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a fucking anti-capitalist manifesto. 21:28.850 --> 21:29.410 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:29.710 --> 21:33.792 [SPEAKER_00]: They gave all the corporations, all the shit that used to make bad bank cool, they'd been given to the villains. 21:34.133 --> 21:36.594 [SPEAKER_00]: So Batman, remember when Batman did that, man, incorporate it. 21:37.254 --> 21:39.576 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, my heroics everywhere. 21:40.136 --> 21:44.559 [SPEAKER_00]: Now there's like a Lazarus corporation and Rosalgoo runs it. 21:44.799 --> 21:49.141 [SPEAKER_00]: But remember, when 50 years ago, Rosalgoo was just like a suspiciously brown man 21:52.802 --> 22:09.253 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if your heroes were like billionaires who had super corporations and it's like, of course, in this at this time, we're going really But the lesson that I think Marvel learns like the shit is that it looks across the next door And he went, oh, everyone's just evil and everything's dark. 22:09.313 --> 22:18.960 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what people like and it's like, no, they just challenged the hero fucking mold that was getting boring and getting really out of fucking touch 22:19.280 --> 22:25.306 [SPEAKER_01]: They just want to kind of give you different covers to buy because I feel like they don't really care about stories as much right now. 22:25.346 --> 22:29.510 [SPEAKER_01]: They just care about giving you a blind bag, which I find incredibly insulting and annoying. 22:30.071 --> 22:36.357 [SPEAKER_01]: I found it really fucking stupid that your whole fucking SEC announcement was just a series of covers that are coming out. 22:36.718 --> 22:37.298 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care. 22:37.318 --> 22:39.140 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I don't care? 22:39.540 --> 22:40.201 [SPEAKER_01]: How to give a fuck? 22:41.495 --> 22:42.295 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure. 22:42.735 --> 22:43.395 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure. 22:43.455 --> 22:44.215 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure. 22:44.355 --> 22:49.256 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree that they don't care about story because I think both of them have exactly the same limitations. 22:49.616 --> 22:55.537 [SPEAKER_00]: As much as I'm absolute, I think the absolute is like a it's a 20% difference. 22:56.177 --> 22:57.458 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean? 22:57.638 --> 23:04.419 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm more impressed by their launching of static, by their launching of Vixen, those are the things. 23:04.559 --> 23:06.259 [SPEAKER_00]: Even the clefists, they seem to be taking more 23:11.260 --> 23:20.813 [SPEAKER_00]: I think both houses are changed by the money and they can only really sell you eight stories and they can change them as much as they can but do you know what I mean? 23:20.873 --> 23:29.183 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's the same cake with

different frosting on it and so Marvel just seems to want to change the story's less 23:30.790 --> 23:50.557 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I think the biggest change they've made to an established property in a long time and if they just, it's not like we need Krakowabak and it's not like that everyone needs to be dark now, but just give us something different, give us a new way in, you make it feel new again, make it feel fresh again, you know what I mean? 23:51.678 --> 23:54.462 [SPEAKER_01]: I, so here's the difference that I see. 23:54.962 --> 24:02.092 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I think you're right that they don't want to change the brand too much because ultimately it's just about reputation management. 24:02.353 --> 24:03.694 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that bright and that's good. 24:03.915 --> 24:05.557 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that Marvel does that. 24:06.338 --> 24:07.480 [SPEAKER_01]: more intensely. 24:07.740 --> 24:08.641 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it. 24:09.262 --> 24:22.218 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see the characters advancing in any significant way or shifting in any significant way while if you're looking at a mainline DC and I don't like this choice but Wonder Woman just has a daughter and that's a big part of her storyline that just happened within a couple of years. 24:22.538 --> 24:28.744 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's bigger shifts happening with the characters to try and develop them more in a way that I don't think Marvel is doing that. 24:28.764 --> 24:32.487 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Marvel is, I don't think that's Marvel's priority at all. 24:32.887 --> 24:38.272 [SPEAKER_01]: I think for them, I feel like we just want to keep them viable enough for Disney to maybe one-day use for something. 24:38.633 --> 24:41.435 [SPEAKER_01]: And to keep that baseline just completely there. 24:41.835 --> 24:44.898 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is what I'm so disappointed by. 24:44.918 --> 24:47.300 [SPEAKER_00]: I just find it less, the problem. 24:48.141 --> 24:52.845 [SPEAKER_00]: I was reading the experts and I was talking about like the problem that I've had with the experts for a little bit. 24:52.905 --> 25:04.493 [SPEAKER_00]: Boring like, since full of the ashes, borrowing what magic was pretty good, I like magic and why, and why X was good, I like that. 25:05.154 --> 25:05.974 [SPEAKER_00]: What did you believe of it? 25:06.595 --> 25:08.636 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, it gets off quite interestingly. 25:09.557 --> 25:10.838 [SPEAKER_00]: What else is there enough of the one that I'm saying? 25:12.598 --> 25:27.850 [SPEAKER_01]: I like Jed McKay's X-Men for what it is, but I don't think it's, I think I said this to you before that I think that all the issues I have with that book, I don't think are Jed's faults, but I think Jed is doing the best he can under harsh conditions. 25:28.271 --> 25:28.871 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 25:29.151 --> 25:29.832 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:29.912 --> 25:33.535 [SPEAKER_00]: Three K, the KKK, these are the chances. 25:34.596 --> 25:36.137 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that the new ones? 25:36.457 --> 25:40.901 [SPEAKER_00]: I do know what, we were recording, when we were recording with Jackson, and I listened to the X-Men back. 25:41.761 --> 25:50.085 [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things that Jackson said was he was like, I love an age of apocalypse story because that's where you can really see mutants cut loose. 25:50.425 --> 25:51.325 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you know what? 25:51.466 --> 25:52.326 [SPEAKER_00]: You're fucking right. 25:52.706 --> 25:59.389 [SPEAKER_00]: Mutants are always allowed to exert the most force and brutality but only against other mutants. 26:00.650 --> 26:00.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 26:02.105 --> 26:16.617 [SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy, like the quote, the assimilationist, the bullshit human first politic that they have a lot of the time means that, yeah, they're doing in respect to ability politics when humans around, when humans are around. 26:16.637 --> 26:20.600 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can't kill them, you can't throw them off a fucking building, you can't toss them into the solar system. 26:21.061 --> 26:27.586 [SPEAKER_00]: But come up against the horsemen, come up against their a sabotooth, come up against one of your own, 26:28.587 --> 26:31.388 [SPEAKER_00]: that is an acting in line with the responsibility of politics. 26:31.468 --> 26:34.349 [SPEAKER_00]: You can push brutality on them. 26:34.409 --> 26:37.031 [SPEAKER_00]: 100% do you know what I mean like? 26:37.271 --> 26:39.672 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the bonnet conversation. 26:39.952 --> 26:45.614 [SPEAKER_00]: I won't raise my voice to a white person, but if I see you wearing a bonnet work, I'll drop kick you into the meeting room. 26:46.394 --> 26:48.095 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to, yeah, I agree with you. 26:48.115 --> 26:50.596 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to connect it to the book. 26:50.616 --> 26:51.537 [SPEAKER_01]: So how does that relate to it? 26:51.577 --> 26:52.257 [SPEAKER_01]: That's jazz. 26:54.003 --> 26:57.686 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think that again bad guys mutants are their own worst enemies. 26:58.286 --> 26:58.666 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 26:59.007 --> 26:59.507 [SPEAKER_00]: The story. 26:59.527 --> 27:00.548 [SPEAKER_01]: The story you're tired of. 27:01.208 --> 27:01.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 27:01.608 --> 27:02.189 [SPEAKER_01]: With the X-Men. 27:02.409 --> 27:02.789 [SPEAKER_01]: I get it. 27:03.029 --> 27:04.210 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you. 27:04.230 --> 27:06.331 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't disagree on that at all. 27:06.392 --> 27:10.354 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I like the storyline of evil Hank McCoy. 27:10.754 --> 27:12.356 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that is interesting. 27:12.936 --> 27:14.097 [SPEAKER_00]: When is he going to get the die job? 27:15.878 --> 27:21.024 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw a picture of Hank McCoy looking all white, top to bottom, and I said yes, it's time for you to come to that. 27:21.284 --> 27:24.688 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sick of it, don't, don't

ever tell me stars and got us in there. 27:24.788 --> 27:26.610 [SPEAKER_00]: There, leave it, bleach it. 27:26.870 --> 27:32.016 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, can you imagine how long it takes for Hank McCoy to bleach that whole body white? 27:32.505 --> 27:34.226 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, no, I do enjoy that storyline. 27:34.246 --> 27:40.527 [SPEAKER_01]: I also like the storyline of old Hank back dealing with the fact that he becomes a piece of shit very quickly. 27:40.868 --> 27:42.668 [SPEAKER_01]: I find that really compelling and interesting. 27:43.088 --> 27:45.829 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also get people who say, I don't care about this. 27:46.189 --> 27:47.129 [SPEAKER_01]: You're still doing the same thing. 27:47.349 --> 27:49.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you're right, because this is what I'm talking about. 27:49.650 --> 27:52.451 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that is the restriction that is over them. 27:52.731 --> 27:55.772 [SPEAKER_01]: No, mutants must only fight mutants because mutants are the bad guys. 27:56.092 --> 28:00.897 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, so to me, that was the fucking frustration part of it that I'm just like, why are we doing this over and over again? 28:00.937 --> 28:02.638 [SPEAKER_01]: Why isn't it them fighting the humans? 28:02.918 --> 28:04.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Why isn't the humans the villains? 28:04.520 --> 28:07.403 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's because we're doing this fucking respectability bullshit that you're talking about. 28:07.523 --> 28:09.925 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, and I get it, I agree with it. 28:09.965 --> 28:14.189 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just that maybe it's also this is something you've told me as well, months ago, and I keep thinking about it. 28:14.489 --> 28:20.034 [SPEAKER_01]: How you're like, you know, when you've been eating shit for breakfast, when someone has you piece of toast, 28:20.835 --> 28:24.019 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd be like, that's great, and this is a nice piece of toast. 28:24.359 --> 28:24.799 [SPEAKER_01]: It's nice. 28:24.839 --> 28:27.522 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crispy, but I've been eating shit for the past six months. 28:28.203 --> 28:31.987 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really have a good judgeer of what you know what I mean. 28:32.387 --> 28:34.469 [SPEAKER_01]: And more like, and I'm just happy to not be eating crap. 28:35.210 --> 28:35.510 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 28:35.610 --> 28:38.954 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the crumbs thing, after you start with it, they can feed you crumbs. 28:38.974 --> 28:39.494 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think like, 28:40.155 --> 28:42.836 [SPEAKER_00]: people's taste, your taste is fluid. 28:43.056 --> 28:48.438 [SPEAKER_00]: When there's loads and loads of great quality, your taste levels go up and then things get boring. 28:48.578 --> 28:52.679 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the things like so many books I read now and move with Marvel. 28:53.159 --> 28:54.320 [SPEAKER_00]: I just a bit boring. 28:54.800 --> 28:56.981 [SPEAKER_01]: I fucking bad the so fucking boring. 28:57.441 --> 28:58.681 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so fucking poor boring. 28:58.741 --> 28:59.422 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm repetitive. 28:59.502 --> 29:02.483 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like nothing is happening. 29:03.203 --> 29:05.444 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, what are we doing here? 29:10.185 --> 29:13.328 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is Noad Rattie and I'm sorry. 29:13.548 --> 29:16.170 [SPEAKER_01]: I am not excited about this new yo-s book. 29:16.290 --> 29:16.690 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you? 29:17.671 --> 29:18.451 [SPEAKER_00]: Which shows book? 29:18.571 --> 29:21.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's like yeah, I just don't care. 29:21.734 --> 29:26.357 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't care Can't still get any out fit though. 29:26.637 --> 29:31.841 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine That's the thing is that I think that's what we've been reduced to Same way out. 29:31.981 --> 29:36.665 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be but you're gonna get remember when they're remember when they tear a force for Mars 29:37.345 --> 29:54.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember when they had a galactic currency that they were trying to manipulate so that they could buy foreign materials and they had to ship that they had to mine it in from a dimension that they could only act with six particular movements working together in concert to do you remember when there was like 29:55.390 --> 29:55.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Story. 29:56.291 --> 30:05.439 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember that first that first year when they were like teasing, oh, there's going to be a civil war with the the council and also the people of it. 30:05.999 --> 30:06.620 [SPEAKER_01]: That will happen. 30:06.640 --> 30:07.681 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that didn't happen. 30:07.901 --> 30:09.182 [SPEAKER_01]: It should be happening right now. 30:09.463 --> 30:10.984 [SPEAKER_01]: We are all suffering guys. 30:11.244 --> 30:12.125 [SPEAKER_01]: We are in that case. 30:21.473 --> 30:34.356 [SPEAKER_00]: I jump over and I'm like, fuck, you know, so this is like green arrow is like a zombie ex-billionaire taking revenge on being a clashtrayer, a clashtrayer but zombie billionaire. 30:34.796 --> 30:47.580 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you've got like Superman, who's best friends with an AI and is like a working class kid with PTSD, who's trying to take down Amazon. 30:49.063 --> 30:51.686 [SPEAKER_01]: You got Stephanie Williams on Vixen coming. 30:51.726 --> 31:00.516 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been really hard to be on, it's been like Zidler is about to have statics saying, Nick and I are going to be so much fun. 31:00.816 --> 31:03.559 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be so good and they're ongoing as well. 31:03.879 --> 31:05.221 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not five issues cap. 31:05.561 --> 31:06.802 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not five issues and we're done. 31:06.822 --> 31:07.583 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to wrap it up. 31:07.643 --> 31:09.845 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we're going to get fucking ongoing. 31:09.865 --> 31:12.007 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to keep going as long as we keep it going. 31:12.127 --> 31:14.289 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're

going to keep this one fucking going. 31:14.309 --> 31:15.090 [SPEAKER_01]: You hear me, blacks. 31:15.330 --> 31:16.711 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, you'll see you all before I'm blurt. 31:16.731 --> 31:18.753 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to buy every fucking one of these issues. 31:18.773 --> 31:20.735 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to go to your comic book store and request it. 31:21.115 --> 31:23.438 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to say I'm going to buy this one and the one after it, too. 31:23.578 --> 31:23.858 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 31:23.878 --> 31:25.860 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to keep these going for the next five years. 31:25.880 --> 31:28.002 [SPEAKER_01]: They better get to 50 or swear to fucking God. 31:29.186 --> 31:38.893 [SPEAKER_01]: You were saying something about the blacks that I'm not sure I want to Yeah, the blacks you better be buying this bitch Fucking bitch you better get out there and shake your ass as proper. 31:39.373 --> 31:39.634 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me 31:40.925 --> 31:41.926 [SPEAKER_00]: We are family. 31:43.207 --> 31:44.027 [SPEAKER_00]: We are called you. 31:44.848 --> 31:46.809 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're killing you, but if take that fucking jacket off. 31:46.829 --> 31:47.069 [SPEAKER_00]: What? 31:47.450 --> 31:48.671 [SPEAKER_00]: Repeal. 31:49.571 --> 31:59.798 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, man, like new stories, new fun stuff to read, and like that's why I'm not even in big too anymore, but midnight feels like, oh, absolute went dark and now we need to go dark. 32:00.039 --> 32:01.800 [SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is, I clocked that shit. 32:01.840 --> 32:08.144 [SPEAKER_00]: When I first saw midnight happening, I treat this thing and I was like, get ready for a Spider-Man who's a bit more spider than man. 32:09.798 --> 32:12.899 [SPEAKER_01]: I know the girls are really excited for fucking bloody icemen. 32:13.139 --> 32:14.660 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I don't care. 32:14.680 --> 32:16.500 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it looks bad, it looks like cool-aid. 32:16.940 --> 32:17.941 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it looks like a cool-aid man. 32:18.321 --> 32:18.861 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say it. 32:19.341 --> 32:25.823 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they killed off the blood-coven, but they saw how people really wanted to eat those chips. 32:26.623 --> 32:28.664 [SPEAKER_00]: And now they're reheating those nachos a little bit. 32:29.484 --> 32:31.265 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet, Blade cannot get a movie. 32:32.406 --> 32:34.567 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, can you let's get into the MCU, actually? 32:34.647 --> 32:37.969 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that is, we need to get into that a little bit. 32:38.169 --> 32:40.029 [SPEAKER_01]: So we mentioned this earlier. 32:40.210 --> 32:41.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Wonderman is canceled. 32:41.890 --> 32:44.852 [SPEAKER_01]: That you and I love that show. 32:44.952 --> 32:49.053 [SPEAKER_01]: You had on with Ash and a series of live watches. 32:49.414 --> 32:58.998 [SPEAKER_01]: We really tried to really put a critical attention on the show because we, or at least I personally found, I remember talking to you about it and then saying, why is no one talking about the show when it's like the best thing? 32:59.198 --> 33:21.423 [SPEAKER_01]: that's now why is there no promotion for it and somehow miraculously they said they would be a second season and then all of a sudden yesterday I think we found out that no actually there's not how do you feel it seems so stupid I don't put I don't put your past the company to always learn the bad lesson or always learn the wrong thing I reckon they I reckon they bumped him up 33:22.593 --> 33:24.875 [SPEAKER_01]: you're saying that you think the movie is coming instead. 33:25.235 --> 33:25.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go ahead. 33:25.955 --> 33:36.642 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I reckon they looked at that, and they went actually, we'd better before we, because if they write them in another series, they might be scheduling conflicts and all of this shit and blah, blah, blah, blah. 33:36.923 --> 33:41.125 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they're still building what comes afterwards, because you know, they had a plan for 20 years or something. 33:41.506 --> 33:42.806 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they can't do things, leaves. 33:43.107 --> 33:46.089 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think they're actively building shit into the future still. 33:46.429 --> 33:50.592 [SPEAKER_00]: And so when I see these stuff like, we pitched a character and it went fucking great. 33:51.412 --> 33:55.835 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, and I'm just being fucking like basic here and a bit, what's the word? 33:56.135 --> 33:56.655 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the word? 33:57.636 --> 34:02.219 [SPEAKER_00]: But he is a viable black male character. 34:02.999 --> 34:08.803 [SPEAKER_00]: And actually, the crumble of the phase before was because both Chadwick and... 34:09.684 --> 34:11.084 [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot in that man's name, thank God. 34:11.305 --> 34:11.665 [SPEAKER_00]: Michael? 34:12.065 --> 34:13.366 [SPEAKER_00]: What's not Michael? 34:13.846 --> 34:14.787 [SPEAKER_00]: What's Karen? 34:14.807 --> 34:16.047 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the actual book he's gonna play, Karen? 34:16.348 --> 34:16.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh. 34:17.784 --> 34:18.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan. 34:18.825 --> 34:19.126 [SPEAKER_01]: Major. 34:19.166 --> 34:19.606 [SPEAKER_00]: Major. 34:20.287 --> 34:20.527 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 34:20.928 --> 34:29.458 [SPEAKER_00]: Chadwick passed away, and Jonathan Major's in an asshole, and then you had two of the pillars of the names. 34:30.118 --> 34:37.727 [SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly disappear, and then you make Wonderman, and now you've got a new black superhero who could be a pillar. 34:38.804 --> 34:43.847 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wouldn't be surprised if they looked and said, let's not waste that on another TV series. 34:44.047 --> 34:45.788 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and I reckon that's what they did it for. 34:46.568 --> 34:48.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 34:48.490 --> 34:50.791 [SPEAKER_01]: I hear you, I don't want to be too optimistic.

34:51.191 --> 34:53.012 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to give, here's what it is. 34:53.332 --> 34:53.993 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, 34:54.633 --> 35:01.236 [SPEAKER_01]: For me, that, if I feel that way, or if I proceed with it, thinking that way, I would be giving them crumbs. 35:01.677 --> 35:03.097 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm done with giving Marvel crumbs. 35:04.118 --> 35:09.461 [SPEAKER_01]: I think actually, where I'm at the moment, you said something earlier about how you think they're in a building phase. 35:09.781 --> 35:10.961 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, yeah, that's fine. 35:11.061 --> 35:13.303 [SPEAKER_01]: I need the bricks to be good, personally. 35:13.563 --> 35:14.163 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 35:14.183 --> 35:21.947 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like, and this is something I've been trying to hold on to as we were talking about, as we've been talking about X-Men 97, and trying to remind myself of it a lot. 35:22.567 --> 35:28.110 [SPEAKER_01]: There are things I find frustrating, but I often find myself in the position being like, let's wait till the end of the series to see how it goes. 35:28.391 --> 35:30.292 [SPEAKER_01]: But actually, no, I'm getting this now. 35:30.432 --> 35:33.093 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the episode that I have now, and this is what's frustrating me. 35:33.474 --> 35:35.295 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, this is what's happening now. 35:35.355 --> 35:39.377 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to assume or imagine things because I feel like I don't want to play cake myself. 35:39.597 --> 35:42.298 [SPEAKER_01]: and keep me from giving them the harsh criticism that I feel like they deserve. 35:42.638 --> 35:47.420 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like the situation that we're in right now is that you keep canceling these black shows, these black characters. 35:47.700 --> 35:48.480 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone made a post. 35:48.540 --> 35:52.441 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was Omar Holman who was saying Marvel only wants rich niggas. 35:52.761 --> 35:53.261 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 35:53.541 --> 35:57.263 [SPEAKER_01]: You're only going to get fucking tachala and that's it. 35:57.383 --> 36:01.084 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything else that they've announced, like we had a midnight angel show that was announced. 36:01.364 --> 36:31.091 [SPEAKER_01]: You all have been working on for the past five years you can't get that on the on the fucking air and yet now you've just announced ghost rider with Ryan Gosling we're getting another fucking lineup of a bunch of white men in doomsday that's going to be the thrust of that for the next the thrust of your promotion for the next two years I'm just like no I don't I don't care if you have a movie lined up that should have been with the announcement if you want me to be okay with it because at the moment what I am looking at is just a general fucking birth investment in black 36:32.092 --> 36:57.052 [SPEAKER_01]: story is black people black talent and look at great I'm glad you announced the black pound

through three but okay so I'm gonna have to wait till 2028 to feel good or to feel like I'm being represented and the story is that also he just got a fucking eminomination but like 99% of the time we are right but then 10% of the time we look foolish and I think particularly you know that the DC what is it DC so white thing 36:58.020 --> 36:58.220 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:58.900 --> 37:01.062 [SPEAKER_00]: I think 90% of the time, we were 100% right. 37:01.162 --> 37:09.166 [SPEAKER_00]: People were doing the tummy of the last time there had been a black leg ongoing, main universe ongoing at DC and it was getting into the thousands and that isn't sane. 37:10.206 --> 37:18.050 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there was a boycott that happened as the contracts were being signed with Cody and Stephanie. 37:18.751 --> 37:19.191 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 37:19.211 --> 37:23.433 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, when you know how long these things take to go from pitching to this to that, 37:26.089 --> 37:39.735 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's not the honest, we knew about it, we did it, we did it, we did it, because yeah, we did, we knew that something was happening in the background and that there was like rumors of Stephanie working on something and we did know about it. 37:39.835 --> 37:40.455 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why. 37:40.675 --> 37:46.058 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we had it, which is why I wasn't out there because people call it for the thing that was coming. 37:46.638 --> 37:49.779 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, at the same time, one, you're right. 37:49.879 --> 37:50.839 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't give Marvel. 37:51.100 --> 37:53.260 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't give any company like. 37:53.580 --> 37:55.441 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're doing the things for us. 37:55.481 --> 37:56.902 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they've got our best interests are. 37:56.942 --> 37:57.762 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're about the money. 37:58.062 --> 38:00.703 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're about the reputation and I think they're about not looking shit. 38:01.003 --> 38:03.664 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that Wonderland is 10 times more likely. 38:03.804 --> 38:04.144 [SPEAKER_00]: Why? 38:04.704 --> 38:10.186 [SPEAKER_00]: One, because it was well received too, because it was well received by white institutions on eminomination. 38:10.506 --> 38:11.066 [SPEAKER_00]: And three, 38:16.168 --> 38:21.630 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Marvel won't want to look bad in the light of that by doing it. 38:21.650 --> 38:23.610 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, do you know what I mean? 38:23.731 --> 38:27.932 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at it and I'm going, yes, say the thing because it's fucking true. 38:28.152 --> 38:38.255 [SPEAKER_00]: They have shafted a lot of black projects and I'm also waiting for the one where they go, see, yeah, yeah, I think this might be it. 38:38.435 --> 38:40.056 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the one where they go, see, 38:40.606 --> 38:42.587 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I hope you're completely

right. 38:43.067 --> 38:43.627 [SPEAKER_01]: I really do. 38:43.767 --> 38:45.448 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be great if it's the situation. 38:45.508 --> 38:50.271 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I'm distrustful and also I think that they deserve the heat regardless. 38:50.751 --> 38:55.233 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's also how I felt about the DC So White thing, which I was like, oh yeah, I knew this was happening. 38:55.493 --> 38:56.633 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, y'all are completely right. 38:56.653 --> 38:58.774 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you were saying, it's been almost thousands of days. 38:59.195 --> 38:59.675 [SPEAKER_01]: Give them heat. 38:59.815 --> 39:03.517 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, fuck, I'm not gonna partake because I know something's happening, but go for it. 39:03.617 --> 39:06.198 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope that what this does is bumps their salary. 39:06.498 --> 39:12.697 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like this yeah, that's where I am with it right now and I'm a bit just like fuck you guys It's not gonna fuck 39:14.663 --> 39:15.544 [SPEAKER_01]: with Marvel right now. 39:15.564 --> 39:17.124 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna like you better fucking serve. 39:17.204 --> 39:18.745 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is why I don't want to see Spider-Man. 39:18.985 --> 39:23.127 [SPEAKER_01]: This is why I'm resisting going to see Spider-Man even though I probably should. 39:23.547 --> 39:25.628 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm waiting for you to tell me that I need to go see it. 39:25.688 --> 39:27.009 [SPEAKER_01]: Go and see that movie. 39:27.029 --> 39:27.969 [SPEAKER_01]: You know you're going to see it. 39:28.289 --> 39:30.830 [SPEAKER_00]: You've been there for a year now and actually have a good time. 39:31.351 --> 39:33.272 [SPEAKER_00]: Or you can read everybody else's opinions. 39:33.332 --> 39:34.412 [SPEAKER_00]: Read 16 spoilers. 39:34.632 --> 39:36.633 [SPEAKER_00]: And then go see it when you know what the fuck is going to happen. 39:36.833 --> 39:38.974 [SPEAKER_00]: And have a mini time because none of it surprises you. 39:39.274 --> 39:40.535 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what the fuck is going to happen anyway. 39:41.075 --> 39:44.179 [SPEAKER_01]: But to be honest, I'm not a person for who spoilers ruins things. 39:44.699 --> 39:45.961 [SPEAKER_01]: It really doesn't ruin things for me. 39:46.121 --> 39:46.522 [SPEAKER_01]: I like it. 39:46.702 --> 39:49.365 [SPEAKER_01]: I usually like knowing something's going to happen, and seeing how it happens. 39:49.926 --> 39:51.768 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's very... That's a trauma thing, babe. 39:52.800 --> 40:07.268 [SPEAKER_01]: You say that and you might be right, honestly, but also I think it's a film student thing because I spent a lot of my time learning how to just sit there and analyze the movie and so sometimes knowing thing that I've had to rewatch movies so many times that spoilers have kind of become dead, a dead thing to me. 40:07.768 --> 40:10.690 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care too much, but you're right. 40:10.790 --> 40:12.011

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it would be nice to be surprised. 40:12.031 --> 40:13.292 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't wanna get into the fuck. 40:13.732 --> 40:15.893 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, my fuck. 40:16.313 --> 40:18.294 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the episode is gonna be called, I don't give a fuck. 40:18.394 --> 40:18.635 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 40:21.901 --> 40:25.284 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, so there is that what else is happening in the nerds fear? 40:26.004 --> 40:28.267 [SPEAKER_01]: We've not touched on the avatar movie. 40:31.703 --> 40:39.066 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't know. 40:39.086 --> 40:42.288 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know you were such an avatar fan to me. 40:42.768 --> 40:43.528 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me more. 40:43.669 --> 40:44.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me more. 40:44.349 --> 40:47.510 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me about this love when did it start? 40:47.790 --> 40:49.691 [SPEAKER_00]: I watched them when they first came out. 40:49.791 --> 40:50.872 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was one of the most. 40:52.040 --> 40:56.585 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was, do you know how hard it is to tell a story that goes on that long and never make it have it be boring? 40:57.125 --> 41:01.589 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was just a lovely, it was just it never got a or it never ran straight. 41:02.030 --> 41:03.952 [SPEAKER_00]: You never want to run straight or I love that. 41:04.352 --> 41:06.474 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the core came back and I thought it was different. 41:06.674 --> 41:07.355 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I mean. 41:07.555 --> 41:09.157 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people say they don't like core, honestly. 41:10.131 --> 41:13.613 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care, as soon as you do like, you just disappear for me. 41:14.214 --> 41:19.557 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, same thing, same thing, thank you because I'm always just, I am suspicious of you now. 41:20.098 --> 41:21.939 [SPEAKER_01]: It just is, I'm just like, I don't trust you now. 41:22.719 --> 41:26.862 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually sometimes feel resentment about people who have no taste or are trapped. 41:27.262 --> 41:29.644 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know that people are trapped in like static behavior? 41:29.664 --> 41:32.306 [SPEAKER_00]: You get one thing that you like, and you only ever want that again. 41:32.326 --> 41:35.468 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know those rats when they give rats like the little 41:37.909 --> 41:43.336 [SPEAKER_00]: it presses the button, it wants the sugar button, it wants the sugar pellet, it's like just things change, right? 41:43.536 --> 41:45.178 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I understand nonsense. 41:45.378 --> 41:46.299 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right, go on. 41:46.820 --> 41:47.080 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. 41:47.160 --> 41:53.547 [SPEAKER_00]: It's also like the homogeneity and like the lack of curiosity that comes with. 41:54.772 --> 41:57.555 [SPEAKER_00]: stat with just being a nerd and a fan of something. 41:57.876 --> 42:01.359 [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel that urge in myself, particularly around the Crocodile thing. 42:01.980 --> 42:02.441 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 42:02.461 --> 42:07.686 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a long time there was like a year afterwards where I was like, I just want Crocodile back and I was like, fuck, I'm being the guy. 42:07.706 --> 42:08.807 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what I mean? 42:08.828 --> 42:10.369 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, actually, no, that was great. 42:10.429 --> 42:11.190 [SPEAKER_00]: That meal was great. 42:11.530 --> 42:12.471 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to have it again. 42:12.712 --> 42:14.273 [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to have it in the place as good. 42:15.033 --> 42:19.437 [SPEAKER_00]: The different, and now I'm out looking for different, and I think Cora was that. 42:19.578 --> 42:21.620 [SPEAKER_00]: She came, and the tone of it was different. 42:21.640 --> 42:22.681 [SPEAKER_00]: The era of it was different. 42:22.701 --> 42:23.662 [SPEAKER_00]: The stresses were different. 42:23.902 --> 42:28.386 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a whole different personality type, and people get comparing it to the old thing. 42:28.787 --> 42:34.893 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yeah, but the strength of the premise is good enough that the protagonist can change. 42:35.313 --> 42:39.136 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, no, I really liked chorus specifically because of it was very different. 42:39.276 --> 42:50.224 [SPEAKER_01]: I watched them all in a row and I watched them after everything came out just probably a few years ago for the first time and remember really enjoying the different flavor because it felt oh now we're dealing with what was the Navitarling there? 42:50.504 --> 42:56.108 [SPEAKER_01]: A woman when they are actually have a lot of stuff opposing them for that reason but also they're in a different world. 42:56.268 --> 42:58.090 [SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed that aspect of it. 42:58.210 --> 42:59.171 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you completely right. 42:59.211 --> 43:03.354 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that kind of Star Wars fan thing where it's just like, who's this black lady? 43:04.074 --> 43:11.440 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, lady, no, not my Jedi, it's like that kind of nonsense, or it's okay, then just don't watch it and shut up. 43:11.620 --> 43:14.382 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, shut up, I don't care. 43:14.922 --> 43:24.049 [SPEAKER_01]: I am that said, the trailer for The Seven Heavens Show, the animation style is so different that I am a bit taken aback by it. 43:24.130 --> 43:25.270 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks different to me. 43:26.111 --> 43:26.511 [SPEAKER_00]: It does. 43:26.651 --> 43:27.532 [SPEAKER_00]: It's simpler. 43:27.993 --> 43:28.813 [SPEAKER_00]: It's more childish. 43:29.193 --> 43:30.454 [SPEAKER_00]: My adventures with Superman, 43:33.877 --> 43:34.117 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:34.797 --> 43:50.041 [SPEAKER_00]: All of them look the same and it's going to end up that there are only two three types of animation, like this sort of big round family guyish animation that you get and then the weird ugly animation that you get with.

43:50.481 --> 43:51.181 [SPEAKER_00]: What's that thing? 43:51.641 --> 43:53.522 [SPEAKER_00]: What's that show about the scientist and his little nephew? 43:53.542 --> 43:54.202 [SPEAKER_00]: Rick and Morty. 43:54.562 --> 43:57.843 [SPEAKER_00]: Rick and Morty, the most of them have libertarians you've ever met. 44:00.243 --> 44:06.146 [SPEAKER_00]: But the family guy mold, the Rick and Morty mold, my adventures with Superman mold. 44:06.706 --> 44:08.226 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like my adventures with Superman. 44:08.246 --> 44:09.267 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a great show. 44:09.307 --> 44:10.047 [SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoy it. 44:10.067 --> 44:10.787 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're right. 44:11.248 --> 44:11.948 [SPEAKER_01]: You've not watched it. 44:12.388 --> 44:12.608 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 44:13.828 --> 44:15.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you a Superman person? 44:16.138 --> 44:17.239 [SPEAKER_00]: Not traditional Superman. 44:18.039 --> 44:19.660 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I really love Superman. 44:19.900 --> 44:20.441 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why. 44:20.501 --> 44:25.964 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the days of us aspiring to and looking up to a powerful white man I've got. 44:26.004 --> 44:27.065 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I respect that. 44:27.145 --> 44:32.428 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, to me, it's a very, I watched the animated adventures, the scenes with the adventures of Superman. 44:32.448 --> 44:35.990 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when the Batman series era with the DC cartoons. 44:36.331 --> 44:36.591 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 44:36.811 --> 44:39.913 [SPEAKER_01]: I for some reason watched the Superman cartoon first and more. 44:40.033 --> 44:41.294 [SPEAKER_01]: It was on TV more for me. 44:41.994 --> 44:51.559 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very core thing for me and it takes me to a place of childhood idealism that sometimes if I want to turn my brain off I will just put on a super mad thing and be like it's good. 44:51.579 --> 44:55.700 [SPEAKER_00]: This is good and we could all be here But then the minute I close it. 44:55.720 --> 44:58.662 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like yeah, no white matter bad white matter evil 45:00.444 --> 45:23.895 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even white men, it's just you can see the ideals and the beliefs of Superman was built on and it was that I did and it Loops us back to that building, everything where it was a idea of will all be saved when the white when the right white man gets absolute power He will save us all and that Of idolatry that leads people to really kiss the arse of people like Elon Musk 45:24.283 --> 45:27.565 [SPEAKER_00]: because people like he could save the world and I'm like superman schema bro. 45:27.725 --> 45:29.807 [SPEAKER_00]: These students, people are not coming to save us. 45:29.927 --> 45:32.348 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolute power comes to treat it in any one person. 45:32.628 --> 45:36.631 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it normal where we should be looking for or like our savior to come from? 45:36.651 --> 45:37.932 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

45:38.272 --> 45:41.975 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I just simply don't apply it to the real world just to feel better. 45:42.215 --> 45:44.076 [SPEAKER_01]: To me, it's just a fantasy story. 45:44.336 --> 45:48.960 [SPEAKER_01]: I try and I think that's there's certain categories of shows where I just I just cannot probe into this too deeply. 45:49.360 --> 45:55.666 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise it won't ruin it for me and I think that is because that is what happens to me with Superman particularly with that man. 45:55.746 --> 45:56.827 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go all day. 45:56.867 --> 45:57.688 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about that. 45:57.728 --> 46:00.990 [SPEAKER_01]: But let me see you're I want freedom of request act. 46:01.010 --> 46:02.111 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see your records. 46:02.492 --> 46:06.055 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see you built that car. 46:06.255 --> 46:06.976 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want to see. 46:07.476 --> 46:08.177 [SPEAKER_00]: What is that? 46:08.817 --> 46:09.498 [SPEAKER_01]: No, truly. 46:09.898 --> 46:10.418 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no. 46:10.539 --> 46:13.061 [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I would say watch my adventures with Superman. 46:13.401 --> 46:17.865 [SPEAKER_01]: Mainly because there also do be a green lantern show and it seems like it's going to be a franchise thinking I like it. 46:18.425 --> 46:20.587 [SPEAKER_01]: I like it enough that I think it's enjoyable. 46:21.223 --> 46:26.145 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I get on that, but yes, they're all, there's like styles of animation that I don't love, but I don't. 46:26.386 --> 46:31.748 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I love and feel like also Avatar has a very specific style and seeing that shift, that's going to be weird. 46:32.269 --> 46:33.029 [SPEAKER_01]: But the movie's great. 46:33.489 --> 46:41.793 [SPEAKER_00]: It felt like a step towards more like animation in the frames. 46:41.813 --> 46:42.674 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely. 46:43.274 --> 46:43.754 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely. 46:44.014 --> 46:47.335 [SPEAKER_00]: And when I was talking about those three that I was talking about, I was talking like Western animation. 46:47.355 --> 46:47.995 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean? 46:48.055 --> 46:48.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 46:48.995 --> 46:51.156 [SPEAKER_00]: Anime has its own sub-categories and things like that. 46:51.196 --> 46:54.616 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think I'm not trying to collapse and then into that. 46:55.337 --> 46:58.037 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, there are like very specific modes in Western animation. 46:58.057 --> 47:01.058 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, there's like the Pixar, Big Head, Big Eyes, Bullshit. 47:01.518 --> 47:02.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, guys. 47:02.138 --> 47:03.418 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes. 47:03.498 --> 47:03.838 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no. 47:04.419 --> 47:05.899 [SPEAKER_00]: I would even class like, 47:07.622 --> 47:23.268 [SPEAKER_00]: the have you ever seen those shows there's one about what is it I didn't want to say family like when I said it there's another one there's one about park ranges there's one about all these people living a hotel you know like yeah animation style 47:24.125 --> 47:26.087 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I know exactly we were talking about. 47:26.147 --> 47:28.669 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I know the shows you're talking to about as well. 47:28.689 --> 47:33.854 [SPEAKER_01]: I think of the, they're like shows that just pop in and then disappear because they're usually one season. 47:34.054 --> 47:35.816 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's also solar opposites. 47:36.056 --> 47:40.841 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, uh, solar opposites, I would put with the Rick and Morty world. 47:40.921 --> 47:47.507 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with a scribbled pupil, that is one of disgusting, is one of the most disgusting things that I've ever seen. 47:47.627 --> 47:48.688 [SPEAKER_00]: Why would they do that to us? 47:50.129 --> 47:52.631 [SPEAKER_01]: But though I get what you're saying is like the American dad. 47:52.711 --> 47:56.354 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a weird kind of it's a weird thing It's usually like the adult animation category. 47:56.374 --> 48:15.609 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, general adult animation mode one He's like haunted hotel look and then mode two is the Rick and Morty look and then you've got the kid's animation mode one, which is like Shira Superman Jnory and that's what it's called. 48:15.669 --> 48:17.130 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm from another everyone 48:17.798 --> 48:23.721 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would say that one is almost like an extension of, do you remember like the style of like young Avengers? 48:24.962 --> 48:26.843 [SPEAKER_01]: Not young Avengers, excuse me, what am I thinking of? 48:27.163 --> 48:30.305 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a DC young show where it was like young justice. 48:30.585 --> 48:36.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that young justice kind of American animation that I think today you can see like invincible as that style as well. 48:37.148 --> 48:38.369 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like, right? 48:38.589 --> 48:42.491 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's like somehow really to the invincible also like Jesus Christ. 48:42.551 --> 48:46.413 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we hire one more person to animate just like one? 48:46.793 --> 48:50.414 [SPEAKER_00]: We just just one more frame rate. 48:51.014 --> 48:55.115 [SPEAKER_01]: One, I watched that shit in double speed, and it still looks like it's moving like molasses. 48:55.255 --> 48:57.096 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not good, sisters. 48:57.196 --> 49:06.718 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is also what I worry for X-Men 97 is that eventually it will turn into that, the more that they're pumping them out because, fucking hell, I don't like that show. 49:06.738 --> 49:11.840 [SPEAKER_01]: They only had one good season and I get angry every time I see it, domination or timeline again, enough. 49:13.640 --> 49:14.421 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot going on. 49:14.561 --> 49:23.449 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, have you seen the other things in midnight because we've always talked about

the X-Men thing, but the bit I'm actually excited to read is the fantastic horn. 49:24.930 --> 49:29.974 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'd literally not look that deeply into any of it because I just doesn't interest me. 49:30.214 --> 49:34.298 [SPEAKER_01]: Spooky Ukihara world, it just feel like okay girl, whatever. 49:34.318 --> 49:35.779 [SPEAKER_01]: Just feel like a what a world. 49:37.120 --> 49:39.963 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very like it's very spooky Ukihara days and 49:43.003 --> 49:50.585 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very bad, it's very bad to me, all right, whatever, this is, yeah, it's a drag and a problem. 49:50.665 --> 49:52.526 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't care. 49:52.866 --> 49:54.546 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I know what I wanted to talk to you about. 49:55.706 --> 49:57.007 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you heard about what? 49:57.127 --> 49:59.828 [SPEAKER_01]: So you just wanted to host? 49:59.848 --> 50:00.328 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a tool. 50:02.028 --> 50:03.429 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, not really. 50:03.690 --> 50:05.031 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not really. 50:05.051 --> 50:08.233 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just like, sometimes I need like something else. 50:08.253 --> 50:10.535 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been watching the interview of the vampire. 50:10.996 --> 50:13.638 [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy that, but that's like gay monsters and love. 50:14.239 --> 50:14.639 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuckin'. 50:14.999 --> 50:15.820 [SPEAKER_01]: I need something else. 50:16.380 --> 50:21.065 [SPEAKER_01]: I need it to be like fucking annoying quote and quote prestige horror for it to be a monster world. 50:21.605 --> 50:28.071 [SPEAKER_01]: But on that note, I wanted to ask you, have you been plugged in to this children of shadow and bone mess? 50:28.171 --> 50:29.151 [SPEAKER_01]: That's been how old you are. 50:30.183 --> 50:35.905 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to ask you, what number one, can you give a little explainer for the listener because they might not know. 50:35.945 --> 50:37.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Children of blood and bone. 50:37.425 --> 50:39.286 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me, are you, are you dummy? 50:45.108 --> 50:48.529 [SPEAKER_01]: Tony, tell me, Adi Yemi, that's her name. 50:49.769 --> 50:50.509 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me, Adi Yemi. 50:51.470 --> 50:51.690 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 50:53.490 --> 50:54.231 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you and again? 50:56.071 --> 50:58.412 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and stop talking for the listener, just talk to me. 51:01.513 --> 51:02.374 [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm a professional. 51:06.016 --> 51:08.817 [SPEAKER_01]: Fine, this will be a drop call. 51:08.998 --> 51:09.458 [SPEAKER_01]: Fine. 51:10.178 --> 51:11.599 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean, I'm publishing it? 51:12.620 --> 51:13.400 [SPEAKER_01]: You're publishing it? 51:14.001 --> 51:14.441 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 51:15.441 --> 51:17.062 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought I was publishing it too. 51:17.102 --> 51:17.823 [SPEAKER_00]: You used to could bitch. 51:17.963 --> 51:18.864 [SPEAKER_00]: We can both publish it. 51:19.104 --> 51:19.464 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 51:19.804 --> 51:22.306 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, she wrote a book, children of bottom book, Blood and Bone. 51:22.346 --> 51:23.046 [SPEAKER_00]: And I read the book. 51:23.967 --> 51:24.507 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you like it? 51:24.947 --> 51:26.088 [SPEAKER_00]: I liked it while I was reading it. 51:26.108 --> 51:28.429 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I forgot it afterwards. 51:28.469 --> 51:29.270 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, I think that. 51:29.865 --> 51:32.227 [SPEAKER_01]: is my experience with a lot of young adults fiction. 51:32.267 --> 51:33.929 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it was probably a little bit nice. 51:34.109 --> 51:38.413 [SPEAKER_00]: I read it, but the the world didn't stick with me that much. 51:39.094 --> 51:40.335 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean? 51:40.375 --> 51:43.799 [SPEAKER_00]: But then like I said, like you, sorry, like you just said, I totally agree with you. 51:43.819 --> 51:46.161 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of YA that is that. 51:47.062 --> 51:48.123 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what I mean? 51:48.163 --> 51:49.704 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's got great character work. 51:50.245 --> 51:53.007 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember the characters more than I remember the world building a bit. 51:53.917 --> 51:58.763 [SPEAKER_00]: but if you talk about like the poppy wars, so the poppy wars had a great world building. 51:58.923 --> 52:00.685 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the character work was a bit loose on. 52:00.705 --> 52:05.470 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember the main character, but yeah, there's loads of sort of fantasy stuff that I read. 52:05.931 --> 52:07.453 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I read this is how you win the time. 52:07.653 --> 52:08.934 [SPEAKER_00]: This is how you lose the time more. 52:09.155 --> 52:10.136 [SPEAKER_01]: That's stuck in my mind. 52:10.376 --> 52:14.279 [SPEAKER_00]: There's certain books that you read them, and they imprint in your mind quite strongly. 52:15.100 --> 52:28.271 [SPEAKER_00]: And Cholson's problem was good, and I think it would probably benefit from an adaptation, but she was told me it was super, I'm involved, and this is great, and it's got an all-star cast, and it looked like typical sort of honeymoon period stuff, you know what I mean? 52:28.291 --> 52:35.498 [SPEAKER_00]: Your first book adaptation, everything's amazing, everything's big and everything shiny, and it looked like she was reading the company line, 52:36.777 --> 52:39.738 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and now she's just I hate it. 52:39.879 --> 52:42.620 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to speak about this fucking book again Don't you ever don't even look? 52:43.660 --> 52:45.321 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't even look at the blood all the bone. 52:45.581 --> 52:50.803 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't talk to me about the blood all the bone Did you see the video she put up where she said not a lot of anything? 52:51.263 --> 53:01.888 [SPEAKER_01]: She just looked at the camera very sadly and she didn't even look at the camera She was just like I just there's a lot that's been

happening that I know you've been hearing about and I'm gonna say it all and it's just very sad and yeah 53:02.507 --> 53:04.029 [SPEAKER_01]: That was it and it's okay. 53:04.249 --> 53:05.431 [SPEAKER_01]: I found out exactly. 53:05.451 --> 53:08.656 [SPEAKER_01]: That was my exact reaction being like, huh, what is going on? 53:09.457 --> 53:13.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Say yeah, say their names. 53:14.324 --> 53:15.425 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very annoying to me. 53:15.966 --> 53:19.251 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to be honest, the trailer came out as well recently. 53:19.631 --> 53:26.313 [SPEAKER_01]: and it feels like she's responding or making the statement every single time, obviously, that this is going to press or reacting to it. 53:26.393 --> 53:26.953 [SPEAKER_01]: That is what it does. 53:26.993 --> 53:28.233 [SPEAKER_01]: And we don't actually know what's happening. 53:28.733 --> 53:31.574 [SPEAKER_01]: It's being, it's all been like being handled very vaguely. 53:31.614 --> 53:40.036 [SPEAKER_01]: What we do know is that she is a screenwriter on this, on this, I know also the general story of the publishing timeline. 53:40.256 --> 53:40.756 [SPEAKER_01]: Another published 53:43.577 --> 53:55.405 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, because if I remember, I think that it was optioned and then there was like go and then she got another deal with Paramount, which is what she's talking about as being the issue and this, so they did this adaptation. 53:55.425 --> 54:01.570 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't fucking know what's happening except that she seems to be unhappy with it, but also it doesn't look that good to me. 54:02.150 --> 54:02.871 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. 54:02.891 --> 54:03.651 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't. 54:04.792 --> 54:06.073 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like we're conned at two. 54:06.213 --> 54:06.673 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is it? 54:06.693 --> 54:07.933 [SPEAKER_01]: Why are we in Wakanda again? 54:08.153 --> 54:09.194 [SPEAKER_00]: No, come on now. 54:09.494 --> 54:10.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Calm down. 54:10.374 --> 54:11.014 [SPEAKER_00]: You know I'm right. 54:11.354 --> 54:12.095 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, I'm right. 54:12.275 --> 54:12.455 [SPEAKER_00]: Good. 54:12.475 --> 54:13.235 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what? 54:13.295 --> 54:13.535 [SPEAKER_00]: Good. 54:13.655 --> 54:14.596 [SPEAKER_00]: Let it be Wakanda two. 54:14.676 --> 54:15.656 [SPEAKER_00]: Give us Wakanda five. 54:15.716 --> 54:16.916 [SPEAKER_00]: Give us Wakanda twenty seven. 54:17.337 --> 54:18.037 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you know what? 54:18.297 --> 54:23.999 [SPEAKER_00]: It can't be that actually African law, African pantheons, African fantasy. 54:24.119 --> 54:26.220 [SPEAKER_00]: Only ever comes around once every two two decades. 54:26.440 --> 54:28.781 [SPEAKER_00]: You know how many fucking Greek shit I watch. 54:29.662 --> 54:30.584 [SPEAKER_00]: I want fair enough. 54:30.825 --> 54:34.615 [SPEAKER_00]: You know how many times can you have to go in a fucking pyramid to get some shit? 54:34.856 -->

54:36.982 [SPEAKER_00]: I see more higher glyphs than I can stomp! 54:37.509 --> 54:39.150 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I get that, I respect that. 54:39.230 --> 54:42.532 [SPEAKER_00]: But also, but then I threw an African country on the bus. 54:42.832 --> 54:44.133 [SPEAKER_00]: So actually, do you know what? 54:44.233 --> 54:46.235 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Egypt is fine. 54:46.535 --> 54:51.598 [SPEAKER_00]: We fucking, the amount of Greek shit that you have to look at. 54:51.618 --> 54:54.300 [SPEAKER_00]: The amount of like Asia as a place, right? 54:54.560 --> 55:02.004 [SPEAKER_00]: Whether that be Japan, whether that be China, now, Korea, like their culture has been a setting in a lot. 55:02.465 --> 55:06.007 [SPEAKER_00]: And Africa doesn't actually have that in a mainstream way, really. 55:06.838 --> 55:12.865 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm glad for it and I will be, I'm sorry to, I'm sorry to that, I'm sorry to that right 55:14.618 --> 55:15.518 [SPEAKER_00]: But I will be there. 55:15.959 --> 55:26.324 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with my, you know, my opinions about adaptation, I think that adaptations that change thinks from the source usually are better because sometimes they need to change things from the source to make them work. 55:26.704 --> 55:38.470 [SPEAKER_01]: I think some of the changes that we know were made that have called a lot of controversy like the casting of like, Amanda La is like, iffy, but she loves nothing more than to take like a dark, even like a brown skin girl's role. 55:38.730 --> 55:40.951 [SPEAKER_01]: And she does love to do that. 55:41.091 --> 55:43.853 [SPEAKER_00]: And look at this right here right now, I'm gonna pray to you now. 55:44.607 --> 55:48.690 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a man last Steinberg feels like a bad seed on this earth. 55:50.632 --> 55:52.193 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to probe that. 55:52.313 --> 55:56.456 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to be like, I'm not engaging in the libelest statement. 55:56.897 --> 56:00.379 [SPEAKER_01]: What I am saying, however, is that there was a lot of issues with that. 56:00.500 --> 56:02.941 [SPEAKER_01]: And that made me feel iffy about it to begin with. 56:02.981 --> 56:03.702 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's it. 56:03.722 --> 56:06.044 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably it can only be so many problems around you. 56:06.364 --> 56:08.946 [SPEAKER_00]: Until people start crying, maybe the grandma was the baby. 56:08.966 --> 56:09.987 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean? 56:10.107 --> 56:13.650 [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't she was you wanted to do the hate you give. 56:13.890 --> 56:14.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 56:14.390 --> 56:17.973 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want it to be Nazi, you want it to be Nazi, collaborate. 56:18.073 --> 56:20.035 [SPEAKER_00]: Sleepy with Nazis, you want to be bridging the divide. 56:20.255 --> 56:26.320 [SPEAKER_00]: There's loads of people who I think naturally have a place on a very black cost. 56:27.380 --> 56:31.704 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the Steinberg would be bottom of the list.

56:32.945 --> 56:45.536 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't necessarily agree what I do find it issue is that like, why is the writer of the show not the writer of the script writer of this and also the author of this book like posting screen shots of their private conversations? 56:45.876 --> 56:47.978 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's, I think that's a bit out of order. 56:48.378 --> 56:49.639 [SPEAKER_01]: Even not knowing what happened. 56:49.659 --> 56:55.344 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just not something that I think is appropriate to do, especially if you're going to be this vague about your issue with it. 56:55.924 --> 56:59.966 [SPEAKER_01]: all that aside, I don't think that trailer looked very good. 56:59.986 --> 57:13.193 [SPEAKER_01]: I really just, it did not move me and might just be because it's like first trailer, but I found something, let's think as I was watching it, I could hear this studio note being like, be more Wakanda, and that I find it 57:20.009 --> 57:23.872 [SPEAKER_00]: She's not serious, and that is the most major thing that you can do. 57:23.912 --> 57:27.395 [SPEAKER_00]: She is moving it in a very non-girium way, which I find deeply entertaining. 57:27.875 --> 57:37.342 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think actually, as much as she, you know, the what's it called, the Streisand effect, I think the more she tells people that she never wants to see this movie and it should not be connected with her. 57:37.362 --> 57:39.724 [SPEAKER_00]: This is better pressed than you could have ever given us. 57:40.313 --> 57:41.774 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like she wants Presto. 57:42.034 --> 57:43.094 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 57:43.434 --> 57:44.875 [SPEAKER_00]: You could have just not said anything. 57:45.075 --> 57:45.795 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean? 57:45.815 --> 57:45.915 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 57:45.935 --> 57:53.319 [SPEAKER_00]: She could have just gone absolutely silent, but her coming out and waging more against her own creation is giving it more... 57:53.679 --> 57:54.179 [SPEAKER_00]: It's happened. 57:54.739 --> 57:55.340 [SPEAKER_00]: It's happened. 57:55.480 --> 57:56.340 [SPEAKER_00]: It is kind of. 57:56.780 --> 57:58.661 [SPEAKER_00]: And she will always be famous in my book. 57:59.361 --> 58:02.203 [SPEAKER_00]: For now, you are a great writer, sis. 58:03.743 --> 58:05.704 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you tried to do the other TV show pitch? 58:06.104 --> 58:07.245 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 58:07.305 --> 58:07.765 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you're right. 58:11.285 --> 58:27.663 [SPEAKER_01]: It's camp, but I simply find it distasteful, but I am a different kind of auntie from a different part of the continent And that's okay, and ultimately I just don't feel compelled to watch this movie so far I'm gonna need because I just don't think it looks that interesting so far She disheveled her children in public, and I'm really friendly 58:29.934 --> 58:31.676 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I'm hoping it gets messier. 58:32.116 --> 58:32.776 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see. 58:32.856 -->

58:35.738 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure she's hearing up for a big interview somewhere. 58:35.858 --> 58:41.622 [SPEAKER_01]: And I cannot girly when I tell you I'm going to read that line by line at the bedtime story. 58:41.642 --> 58:42.903 [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot wait. 58:42.963 --> 58:43.364 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on. 58:43.484 --> 58:44.204 [SPEAKER_01]: Rolling stone. 58:44.564 --> 58:45.285 [SPEAKER_01]: Baddie fair. 58:45.325 --> 58:46.286 [SPEAKER_01]: You better get her down. 58:49.312 --> 58:50.252 [SPEAKER_00]: What? 58:50.352 --> 58:51.813 [SPEAKER_00]: I just turned on the TV reaction. 58:52.253 --> 58:52.873 [SPEAKER_00]: A hundred percent. 58:52.933 --> 58:54.534 [SPEAKER_00]: And she needs to get paid three times. 58:55.394 --> 58:55.875 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh. 58:55.915 --> 58:56.875 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure she's getting a bar. 58:56.915 --> 59:00.316 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why she's telling people you should still go to the movie because she's getting a cut of the box office. 59:00.456 --> 59:01.277 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 59:01.297 --> 59:01.777 [SPEAKER_00]: She must. 59:02.497 --> 59:03.518 [SPEAKER_00]: She got paid for the book. 59:03.918 --> 59:05.638 [SPEAKER_00]: She's going to get paid for the adaptation. 59:05.878 --> 59:08.740 [SPEAKER_00]: She's probably going to get a little bit of a cut of the proceeds. 59:09.080 --> 59:09.560 [SPEAKER_00]: I love. 59:09.800 --> 59:12.121 [SPEAKER_00]: She's going to make another book about this. 59:12.421 --> 59:14.183 [SPEAKER_00]: She's got a book about this. 59:14.203 --> 59:16.024 [SPEAKER_00]: She's got a, you have to write an expose. 59:16.505 --> 59:19.668 [SPEAKER_00]: And I respect somebody who can get paid four times for the same shit. 59:21.289 --> 59:22.370 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, yeah, I would love that. 59:22.450 --> 59:24.132 [SPEAKER_01]: She just has like a fucking mandala. 59:24.172 --> 59:24.913 [SPEAKER_01]: And here is why. 59:25.293 --> 59:26.434 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 59:26.514 --> 59:27.195 [SPEAKER_01]: In 600 pages. 59:27.555 --> 59:27.875 [SPEAKER_01]: Great. 59:27.935 --> 59:30.698 [SPEAKER_01]: I think make the argument, because none of us like that girl anyway. 59:31.539 --> 59:33.140 [SPEAKER_00]: Not when that fuzzed. 59:33.381 --> 59:36.103 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not here about to white night for a mandala standbird. 59:36.323 --> 59:37.084 [SPEAKER_01]: I refuse to. 59:37.124 --> 59:37.585 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care. 59:38.705 --> 59:40.806 [SPEAKER_00]: The next book should be children of light and bright. 59:41.226 --> 59:45.007 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, oh, that's when I want to see you really put belt to us. 59:45.747 --> 59:47.868 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the third one should be children of yellow bone. 59:48.308 --> 59:51.069 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the third one should be children of yellow bone. 59:53.049 --> 59:54.810 [SPEAKER_00]: No children of red and bone. 59:58.631 --> 01:00:01.232 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, why did we have to put Beyonce in the trailer? 01:00:01.692 --> 01:00:03.652

[SPEAKER_01]: Could we not have chosen another Beyonce song? 01:00:03.672 --> 01:00:05.533 [SPEAKER_00]: Why should energy really work? 01:00:06.340 --> 01:00:15.146 [SPEAKER_00]: The song is not really work, but the fight choreography does look good and the set design does look good, this set look good, so it does, the set looks good. 01:00:15.446 --> 01:00:20.770 [SPEAKER_01]: It does have the costume problem that I usually find will be out of guitar stuff where it feels like Netflix costuming. 01:00:21.050 --> 01:00:21.771 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's the wear? 01:00:21.851 --> 01:00:22.571 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's the tear? 01:00:22.811 --> 01:00:24.813 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to see things that look like they've been lived in. 01:00:24.873 --> 01:00:26.594 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a bit too bright and clean to me. 01:00:26.654 --> 01:00:34.540 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like it's also even me with a relatively middle middleing knowledge of pan African design. 01:00:35.921 --> 01:00:39.365 [SPEAKER_00]: can tell that they've just thrown some shit together. 01:00:39.705 --> 01:00:45.451 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, when I watched the trailer, the thing that struck me was I was like, ah, this is a black diaspora movie. 01:00:45.672 --> 01:00:49.796 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this is meant for continental Africans actually. 01:00:50.617 --> 01:00:56.361 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this meant to speak to the imagination of an Africa from somebody removed from it. 01:00:56.841 --> 01:01:00.684 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it just feels like a bit like of an amalgamation of stuff. 01:01:01.304 --> 01:01:01.804 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:01:01.844 --> 01:01:03.105 [SPEAKER_00]: Black Panther was that. 01:01:03.205 --> 01:01:10.510 [SPEAKER_00]: And at least, I think they showed a little bit more respect by having distinct design things that happened in different tribes. 01:01:10.890 --> 01:01:11.590 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean? 01:01:11.790 --> 01:01:18.014 [SPEAKER_00]: So the jebari had particular design markers and like only one tribe had the lip discs. 01:01:18.594 --> 01:01:19.174 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 01:01:19.374 --> 01:01:24.537 [SPEAKER_00]: But when I saw children of blood and bone, you just had neck rings and this and that and it's that's Kenyan. 01:01:24.757 --> 01:01:25.658 [SPEAKER_00]: That's like that. 01:01:26.018 --> 01:01:28.619 [SPEAKER_00]: That's easy, that's just all thrown together. 01:01:28.919 --> 01:01:30.280 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I take issue with. 01:01:30.300 --> 01:01:35.083 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like really popped up to me being like, it just feels a bit like haphazard randomness. 01:01:35.203 --> 01:01:36.523 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like africana. 01:01:36.764 --> 01:01:37.564 [SPEAKER_01]: Not african. 01:01:37.784 --> 01:01:54.726 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 01:01:55.662 --> 01:01:58.605 [SPEAKER_01]: You she told you three times and no one went on mute. 01:01:59.586 --> 01:02:07.072 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just like I am Confucian America explain Unfortunately Beyonce is more famous than your movie 01:02:08.858 --> 01:02:13.259 [SPEAKER_00]: What you don't want to do is obstate yourself in your old ship. 01:02:13.879 --> 01:02:14.459 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.700 [SPEAKER_01]: You could have at least gone for a song from the African album. 01:02:17.720 --> 01:02:18.920 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to do it? 01:02:18.941 --> 01:02:19.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:02:19.801 --> 01:02:20.561 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do that. 01:02:20.721 --> 01:02:22.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Why are we doing this? 01:02:22.221 --> 01:02:22.461 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait. 01:02:22.501 --> 01:02:24.542 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the power on the... No. 01:02:24.662 --> 01:02:25.362 [SPEAKER_00]: It was energy. 01:02:26.202 --> 01:02:27.043 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you saw energy. 01:02:27.663 --> 01:02:28.003 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:02:28.203 --> 01:02:28.603 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:02:29.003 --> 01:02:29.883 [SPEAKER_00]: It was energy. 01:02:30.083 --> 01:02:30.803 [SPEAKER_00]: That was Renaissance. 01:02:31.584 --> 01:02:31.804 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:02:32.284 --> 01:02:32.724 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes. 01:02:32.784 --> 01:02:33.244 [SPEAKER_00]: Confusion. 01:02:33.264 --> 01:02:34.704 [SPEAKER_01]: Just like odd choices. 01:02:34.724 --> 01:02:37.045 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be funny if they did American Requiem instead. 01:02:39.561 --> 01:02:42.083 [SPEAKER_00]: In a way, I think them actually, that makes a lot of sense. 01:02:42.103 --> 01:02:42.904 [SPEAKER_00]: It would make sense. 01:02:43.285 --> 01:02:48.170 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, the fact that they chose a black American sound. 01:02:49.171 --> 01:02:52.855 [SPEAKER_00]: What is meant to be a film rooted in Africa? 01:02:54.097 --> 01:02:54.277 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:02:54.297 --> 01:02:55.318 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's a restaurant? 01:02:55.658 --> 01:02:56.519 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's tens? 01:02:57.821 --> 01:02:58.602 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's whiskey? 01:02:59.652 --> 01:03:00.753 [SPEAKER_01]: Sudan archives. 01:03:00.773 --> 01:03:03.714 [SPEAKER_01]: You got the girls are out here doing the the things. 01:03:04.574 --> 01:03:05.855 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's Joe boy. 01:03:06.155 --> 01:03:06.515 [SPEAKER_01]: Give us. 01:03:06.535 --> 01:03:08.616 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where's Rima? 01:03:08.856 --> 01:03:09.937 [SPEAKER_01]: Give us something. 01:03:10.637 --> 01:03:14.799 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you would be glad that you got like Beyonce. 01:03:14.899 --> 01:03:15.419 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right. 01:03:15.479 --> 01:03:19.461 [SPEAKER_01]:

This is a film that's like about imagining Africa from I think a black diasporic. 01:03:19.881 --> 01:03:21.742 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, perspective which is like fine. 01:03:21.842 --> 01:03:37.228 [SPEAKER_01]: It just I feel like maybe this is also the issue that she had with it is that there was enough care with these things and if I don't know maybe really I probably will end up buying it to get just to support To support the community and the dolls and I hope I like it I'm not in a corner not be charcoal bitch. 01:03:37.608 --> 01:03:40.649 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they want to fill me and what happened 01:03:41.398 --> 01:03:44.280 [SPEAKER_01]: She called her, she saw her and y'all tar baby. 01:03:44.620 --> 01:03:50.604 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I'm so sorry It was it was very that. 01:03:50.624 --> 01:03:57.369 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I Feel also Clocking the kill-monger hair the kill-monger dreads. 01:03:57.569 --> 01:04:07.196 [SPEAKER_01]: I clocked that immediately and I was like girl that the minute I see those now I know I just know that we're working with the lowest common denominator 01:04:07.416 --> 01:04:08.396 [SPEAKER_00]: It all touched. 01:04:08.657 --> 01:04:19.602 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, that was the one thing that I had to say if there was one thing about it, that I was like, I don't, I'm not a big fan, was that that wig that they had in the world, that wig that they had in that man. 01:04:19.922 --> 01:04:22.423 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, whenever someone was like, oh, he should have got black pan-fast. 01:04:22.883 --> 01:04:24.104 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at what could have happened. 01:04:24.844 --> 01:04:25.485 [SPEAKER_01]: It's could have been us. 01:04:25.805 --> 01:04:26.345 [SPEAKER_00]: This could have been us. 01:04:26.365 --> 01:04:27.286 [SPEAKER_00]: What could have happened? 01:04:27.806 --> 01:04:29.467 [SPEAKER_00]: No, we, I think it was sitting. 01:04:29.987 --> 01:04:33.228 [SPEAKER_00]: You said, oh, if you've got a dead foot, it's exactly, 01:04:36.470 --> 01:04:36.690 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:04:36.770 --> 01:04:39.933 [SPEAKER_00]: If they are going to put a lace front on you for a movie, go fucking more. 01:04:40.173 --> 01:04:41.013 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't give a fuck off. 01:04:41.053 --> 01:04:41.794 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for under there. 01:04:42.034 --> 01:04:43.475 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell people you need to keep your face. 01:04:43.535 --> 01:04:43.976 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care. 01:04:44.236 --> 01:04:45.437 [SPEAKER_00]: Turn up all to your press. 01:04:45.657 --> 01:04:45.957 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what? 01:04:45.977 --> 01:04:46.517 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got the wig. 01:04:46.558 --> 01:04:48.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Where the wig to your next, to your next. 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:48.319 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:55.484 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if they put an approach you with a wig, make sure it doesn't come from Tyler Perry Studios because that's what it's looking like. 01:04:55.864 --> 01:04:56.525

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like it. 01:04:56.885 --> 01:05:18.057 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it looks like she probably told him, no, I don't want to cut my hair, and they have to fit that thing on top of Cut your fucking hair, exactly, fucking hair, we'll fall back Cut your fucking hair You want a dance in Idris to be in our Marvel films girl, they're already struggling Let's not add flop on top of flop I do, what do you think about this new Black Panther though, are you excited? 01:05:18.077 --> 01:05:19.798 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited 01:05:20.812 --> 01:05:26.839 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, yes, because that boy can act. 01:05:27.659 --> 01:05:30.422 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen him in anything, I don't think, I don't want to destroy. 01:05:30.723 --> 01:05:31.804 [SPEAKER_00]: Right lane is great. 01:05:32.645 --> 01:05:33.666 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:05:34.266 --> 01:05:35.848 [SPEAKER_00]: The long walk is excellent. 01:05:36.209 --> 01:05:36.549 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:05:36.889 --> 01:05:38.831 [SPEAKER_00]: Alien Romulus was excellent. 01:05:39.572 --> 01:05:41.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm excited for him. 01:05:41.152 --> 01:05:51.454 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel I just think I'm glad that we're finally it feels like we'll do to Chal again and then just ignore forget that I'm just going to mash it all up into one into whatever this future version of to Chal is going to be and I'm excited for it. 01:05:51.534 --> 01:05:54.995 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll give them a chance to do something interesting and I trust in Googler. 01:05:55.615 --> 01:06:01.976 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do and I think he's, you know what, he loved, they all love Chadwick. 01:06:02.616 --> 01:06:06.757 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think if he stood up with all those people 01:06:09.209 --> 01:06:12.172 [SPEAKER_00]: to bring a new person into this family that they've built? 01:06:12.993 --> 01:06:13.293 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:06:14.194 --> 01:06:15.375 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the most important thing. 01:06:16.510 --> 01:06:19.971 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we're on the opposite sides of this because I was always team-recast. 01:06:21.311 --> 01:06:23.212 [SPEAKER_01]: And we do. 01:06:23.672 --> 01:06:24.352 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think... 01:06:24.412 --> 01:06:34.674 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I had a big problem with recasting, but the thing I knew is that we are on the consumer end of it and that can make us very callous to what is a very serious human story on the other. 01:06:34.694 --> 01:06:35.154 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 01:06:35.494 --> 01:06:36.055 [SPEAKER_01]: That is true. 01:06:36.255 --> 01:06:37.535 [SPEAKER_01]: That is true. 01:06:37.615 --> 01:06:40.456 [SPEAKER_00]: It must be character, but that was somebody that they worked with for... 01:06:40.496 --> 01:06:41.596 [SPEAKER_00]: These things take years. 01:06:41.656 --> 01:06:43.276 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 01:06:46.857 --> 01:06:52.280 [SPEAKER_00]: But actually, between the Avengers movies, between this, between research, between that, that's like family to them. 01:06:52.940 --> 01:06:55.381 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would have loved. 01:06:55.782 --> 01:06:59.203 [SPEAKER_00]: And really, I don't, I think they found what you need to do. 01:06:59.223 --> 01:07:01.404 [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't recarced that role. 01:07:01.444 --> 01:07:07.307 [SPEAKER_00]: Which has that role, but there still is a Black Panther that is going to be meaningful to a new generation of young Black people. 01:07:07.347 --> 01:07:12.670 [SPEAKER_00]: To a new generation of Black people who get to see themselves in fantasy and woven into these huge stories. 01:07:13.350 --> 01:07:17.132 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was the only, my only critique of it, read not critique. 01:07:17.292 --> 01:07:35.802 [SPEAKER_00]: The only splinter that was left in my finger about the way that it was being run afterwards is that when I listen to the way that Chadwick would speak about what Black Panther men to Black globally, it didn't feel to me like he would be satisfied for that legacy to end. 01:07:36.838 --> 01:07:43.180 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, I mean, it'll be like, oh, so now this thing that I've managed to do that means so much about it just ends now. 01:07:43.780 --> 01:07:47.001 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I think he would have wanted this to continue going in some way or some form. 01:07:47.021 --> 01:07:51.162 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it's exciting that we're going to get to see the birth of that and to see it. 01:07:51.202 --> 01:07:55.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, see how they handled the legacy go on because it did feel like the second film as well was very 01:07:57.068 --> 01:08:00.191 [SPEAKER_01]: It was about mourning him, because we ended up with that. 01:08:00.431 --> 01:08:03.634 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was beautiful, but that was like the point of the film. 01:08:03.654 --> 01:08:09.379 [SPEAKER_01]: And it would be interesting to see a black pants or film again in the new world and to see how they honor that legacy. 01:08:09.939 --> 01:08:14.223 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, hey, we finally got a good look at Mr. Monroe coming on up. 01:08:14.803 --> 01:08:15.304 [SPEAKER_01]: Here he is. 01:08:16.064 --> 01:08:17.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Here he is, girls. 01:08:17.425 --> 01:08:18.326 [SPEAKER_01]: Here he is, dolls. 01:08:18.526 --> 01:08:19.487 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Monroe. 01:08:20.088 --> 01:08:21.829 [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Monroe, because it's got to be him. 01:08:21.849 --> 01:08:22.850 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be me. 01:08:24.888 --> 01:08:27.650 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Mr. Monroe, you don't have to do it. 01:08:28.191 --> 01:08:41.361 [SPEAKER_00]: The X-Men, they become, and I think, and the thing that I'm excited about, the thing that I think is good, is that he's good at being, he's quite meek, and I think they're gonna, I think that might be a big part of what happens here. 01:08:41.661 --> 01:08:49.647 [SPEAKER_00]: Like him, but Black Panther films have become increasingly self-referential.

01:08:54.820 --> 01:08:55.601 [SPEAKER_00]: was a ulogy. 01:08:57.822 --> 01:09:04.187 [SPEAKER_00]: It ulogized Chadwick in many ways and it was a film about the people who were making it in lots of ways. 01:09:05.708 --> 01:09:10.732 [SPEAKER_00]: And in this we are going to have a new actor stepping up into huge boots. 01:09:11.692 --> 01:09:13.592 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that's gonna be the film. 01:09:14.293 --> 01:09:20.014 [SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna be stepping into the Black Panther mantle as he steps into the Black Panther mantle. 01:09:20.474 --> 01:09:24.135 [SPEAKER_00]: And he plays meekness really well. 01:09:24.995 --> 01:09:34.417 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you watch the movie, if you watch Ray Lane in particular, this very shy, retiring man who grows in love and boldness and strength. 01:09:34.777 --> 01:09:37.218 [SPEAKER_00]: And his light turns up as you go through this. 01:09:41.939 --> 01:09:54.426 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder then if like Denzel's role in this film is like to be the personification of that because if the whole thing is about like measuring up to legacy Captain Zell is a villain That would be really interesting to literalize it. 01:09:55.066 --> 01:09:56.727 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we know Denzel's a villain? 01:09:57.227 --> 01:09:59.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't know what he is at all. 01:09:59.148 --> 01:10:00.009 [SPEAKER_01]: We just know he's in the film. 01:10:01.957 --> 01:10:06.378 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think if you have Denzel, I feel like you better, you're only gonna get him for one movie. 01:10:06.458 --> 01:10:06.858 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one. 01:10:08.459 --> 01:10:10.759 [SPEAKER_01]: You better use it up, and I think he'd be great villain. 01:10:10.779 --> 01:10:12.159 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't see him talking about you. 01:10:12.780 --> 01:10:16.420 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying, and I think he'd be an amazing villain, especially in that world. 01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:20.862 [SPEAKER_01]: And with that storyline, because I think Denzel himself brings such gravitas. 01:10:21.422 --> 01:10:22.362 [SPEAKER_01]: He's black legacy. 01:10:22.862 --> 01:10:25.863 [SPEAKER_01]: I think black American legacy, and Phil, and fortified. 01:10:25.923 --> 01:10:26.383 [SPEAKER_01]: So hopping. 01:10:27.243 --> 01:10:32.830 [SPEAKER_01]: That be where you test your spurs, if you will, or you sharpen your claws, I think that could be really cool. 01:10:33.471 --> 01:10:39.018 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also would love to see Denzel play a villain, because I didn't watch that gladiator movie too, and I don't intend to. 01:10:39.498 --> 01:10:41.200 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would like him to get another shot at it. 01:10:41.561 --> 01:10:42.382 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't. 01:10:42.602 --> 01:10:43.403 [SPEAKER_00]: It might be time. 01:10:43.923 --> 01:10:44.825 [SPEAKER_00]: It might be time. 01:10:45.626 --> 01:10:45.846 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 01:10:47.067 --> 01:10:47.628 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. 01:10:47.648 --> 01:10:53.273 [SPEAKER_01]: Do all is there any thing we skipped because I need to have lunch soon, so let's run the subs. 01:10:54.093 --> 01:10:57.316 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're like I'm with dumb and we're soon. 01:10:58.517 --> 01:11:03.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and it's now half two and I need to be in central London for high five to go and these by the man. 01:11:04.182 --> 01:11:05.664 [SPEAKER_00]: But no, no, no, no. 01:11:05.944 --> 01:11:06.725 [SPEAKER_00]: They explored it for me. 01:11:06.925 --> 01:11:07.986 [SPEAKER_00]: I know who safety sink is. 01:11:09.107 --> 01:11:10.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Who spelled it for you? 01:11:12.662 --> 01:11:15.763 [SPEAKER_01]: Faggot of them Steven Steven Lacy. 01:11:16.203 --> 01:11:17.624 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm sorry. 01:11:17.644 --> 01:11:23.546 [SPEAKER_00]: Like one messy gay brought another messy gay's messy business to the fucking internet. 01:11:23.766 --> 01:11:33.649 [SPEAKER_00]: It would like look, Steve is such a messy faggot and he just spilled who Jean was and I was like, and you are a messy faggot who just spilled who Jean was by spilling what Stacy did. 01:11:33.990 --> 01:11:34.490 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know. 01:11:35.250 --> 01:11:40.252 [SPEAKER_01]: But isn't he the one, but I don't know, was that a proper spoiler because it had he watched the film? 01:11:40.472 --> 01:11:41.652 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, did he watch the film? 01:11:41.993 --> 01:11:47.815 [SPEAKER_00]: The pissed thing was that I got spoiled, not by what Steve Lacy said, but by the text of the tweet about it. 01:11:48.315 --> 01:11:49.535 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was so stupid. 01:11:49.575 --> 01:11:52.176 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, why would you just show us the video, man? 01:11:52.396 --> 01:11:57.158 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you go, Steve Lacy has just spoiled Spider-Man. 01:11:57.438 --> 01:11:58.999 [SPEAKER_00]: I can choose to watch the video or not. 01:11:59.959 --> 01:12:02.740 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a road where we've been talking about it for the past three months? 01:12:03.040 --> 01:12:06.601 [SPEAKER_00]: That Sadie sink is X and I was like, uh, great. 01:12:07.041 --> 01:12:09.861 [SPEAKER_01]: But we've been talking about it for the last six months, guys. 01:12:10.041 --> 01:12:10.501 [SPEAKER_01]: We knew. 01:12:10.882 --> 01:12:11.422 [SPEAKER_01]: Did we know? 01:12:12.202 --> 01:12:12.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it a secret? 01:12:14.042 --> 01:12:14.702 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a spoiler? 01:12:15.643 --> 01:12:16.403 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I'm saying. 01:12:16.563 --> 01:12:18.583 [SPEAKER_01]: If we knew, I don't blame him that much. 01:12:18.883 --> 01:12:19.684 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a little faggot. 01:12:19.704 --> 01:12:22.884 [SPEAKER_01]: He's faggot around, but we should maybe stop saying this. 01:12:23.724 --> 01:12:24.225 [SPEAKER_00]: Saying what? 01:12:24.545 --> 01:12:25.645 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I say faggot that much? 01:12:26.892 --> 01:12:27.593 [SPEAKER_01]: I say it a lot. 01:12:28.013 --> 01:12:29.895 [SPEAKER_01]: I love saying it and you're not going to stop me. 01:12:31.156 --> 01:12:31.736 [SPEAKER_00]: Just letting you know. 01:12:32.076 --> 01:12:33.357 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a letting you know. 01:12:33.477 --> 01:12:34.478 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go up. 01:12:34.598 --> 01:12:39.142 [SPEAKER_00]: I admit you do because honestly, I could feel that you were giving up to call me it if I tried. 01:12:40.123 --> 01:12:41.264 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was. 01:12:41.624 --> 01:12:43.986 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you were locked in like, I felt the danger. 01:12:45.347 --> 01:12:47.929 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, I'm just going to agree with my sister and I'm going to wish for the best. 01:12:50.311 --> 01:12:52.293 [SPEAKER_01]: And on that, she'll be side off my love. 01:12:55.271 --> 01:12:58.837 [SPEAKER_00]: So if I get... Bye! 01:12:59.838 --> 01:13:00.619 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't call me that. 01:13:01.060 --> 01:13:01.400 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye!