บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Episode 143: The Labour Party in Crisis

was originally created by people, but God knows now who's in charge of it. 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:30.959 And yeah, I think that the Labour Party is facing a crisis. 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:39.360 We have the national council elections on May 7th, so in about a week and a bit. 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:44.800 And for those outside the UK, a council is really like your neighborhood. 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:57.279 But the that sounds small scale, but because it's a national election, it's done on a very large scale across the country, it often is um an indication of who's going to win the next general election. 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:00.959 It's it is actually high stakes, is what I'm trying to get across. 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:07.439 And there is a lot of speculation that there is right now a coup being mounted against Keir Starmer. 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:23.439 And if he doesn't go now willingly over this scandal, then the fact that reform are going to blitz the local elections and Labour are going to lose massively in the local council elections, that then that will be when he's really pushed out. 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:31.040 So you're right that they also don't really know who to replace him with. 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:35.920 Um Angela Rayner, the tax issue, just to be clear, was more of an excuse. 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:44.480 The reason that Angela Rayner was pushed out is that she stabbed so many other people in the back, in Lake, including Kirstama, who were her allies. 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:46.560 I mean, she was made deputy leader. 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:50.639 And this is a a Redfil exclusive, because Jen has insider knowledge. 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:52.000 I have little birdies. 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.360 She has little birdies from being on the left for so long. 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:56.560 The tax thing. 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:03.040 Well, I think other people have speculated this, but basically she has not had the best personal conduct. 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:09.439 Well, she even stabbed in the back the man she was sleeping with, who I won't name, but another, you know, Labourite. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:16.079 And she's known to she's done this successively, not slept with then stabbed in the back, but stabbed in the back. 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:17.600 Numerous, numerous people. 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:22.639 And I think that she is from the lumping class and they don't have loyalty as a value. 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:23.600 The working class does. 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:28.319 It's almost our number one, like we'll die for our mates or whatever. 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.399 Angela Rayner doesn't have that. 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:44.079 And so she didn't realise that you couldn't just go around screwing everyone over who'd helped you so far and who basically thought that they were, if not your friend, your ally, or in fact that you were in a romantic relationship. 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:54.959 So she is not going to manage it because she doesn't have any allies anymore after basically um showing herself to be untrustworthy, right? 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:59.839 By um breaking various pacts with people or turning on people or whatever. 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.439 I think West Streeting is considered too close to Peter. 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:09.199 He was close to Peter Anderson, or at least there it there's that um narrative has been built. 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:10.720 We don't really know if it's true. 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:14.079 I always thought it was going to be West Streeting, I don't think it is. 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:22.720 The person who people believe it is, is gonna be Ed Miliband, who was the Labour leader for a long time but then lost the general election. 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:30.639 But he's seen as likable and a kind of reliable set of hands, actually, compared to the rest of the shit show. 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.639 So if I had to bet, I would put my money on Ed Miliband. 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:54.799 I think that some people are saying Rayner, despite her enemies within the party, because there is a narrative on the left of Labour that basically what's gone wrong is the right of labor, blue labor, these Blairite people have run amok, and the left of labor needs to regain power within the party. 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:24.799 And Angela Rayner, because of comments she's made, that's very pro-migration, the kind of tenants' rights stuff that she's been pushing, her kind of very um solidly um working class, stroke, lower class background makes people think she's an obvious choice to kind of bring this regime change and get rid of the Blairites, despite her internal enemies, that people would be more likely to vote for a Rayner than a streeting who's from that same milieu as Starmer and Mandelson and so on. 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:28.000 Ed Miliband, I would say, is to the left of Angela Rayner. 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:33.519 I know she does the talk where she has this particular broad regional accent. 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:46.159 But actually, on issue to issue, when you don't listen to the accent or even the rhetoric and you see what she's in favor of in policy, Ed Miliband is Ed Miliband is who the trade unions want. 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:57.120 Problem is with Ed Miliband is they've given him the net zero account, which has made him incredibly unpopular with working class people, the kind of like ULES policies, fuel prices. 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:07.039 This is not like a very pro-worker, um, you know, these kind of regulations and policies to do with net zero have not been very popular among working people. 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:11.200 So that presents its own sort of problems. 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:26.799 There really is not an obvious choice, though people are more apparently there are more rumblings that it it will be Raynar because they want to kind of get rid of this um Blairite baggage is kind of the idea. 00:10:27.200 -->

00:10:32.799 Yeah, I mean, conduct aside and policy preferences aside, she's a great figurehead. 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:33.679 Yeah, right. 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:35.279 She's very likable as a person. 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:37.120 She seems very likable. 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:42.720 I don't know if I'd actually like her if I got to know, but you know what I mean. 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:44.000 Uh that'll never happen. 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:45.679 As of as a figure, yes. 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:53.440 But I would say that if it was just a vote of the membership, but everybody in a trade union gets a vote, whether you're in the Labour Party or not. 00:10:53.600 --> 00:11:02.559 And if the line comes down that your union is voting for Ed Miliband, you're much more than inclined to go on and and vote Ed Miliband. 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:03.120 Yeah. 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:09.039 I just think that they're aware that net zero policies are very unpopular and they they want to stay in government. 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:12.159 But it is incredible that Starmer does has not stepped down. 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:17.919 I mean, he's paroged parliament to avoid more prime minister questions. 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:22.080 But it is crazy that they thought that they could get away with this. 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:27.200 Like it wasn't even like this man's gonna remain in power as like a party apparatus. 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:34.480 It was we're gonna give him this massive publicly fit public-facing political role with our most important ally. 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:43.600 And literally the quote was just fucking do it or just fucking approve it after he had failed this vetting. 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:59.840 And also this uh it's a bit of a oh no, it's a strong um this concept of ministerial responsibility, it's the idea that even if you're not personally responsible, if you're the if you're the minister in charge, you fall on your sword and you quit. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:02.320 This is a real thing in British politics. 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:07.039 To the point where um I was listening to Jacob Rees Mogg talk about this actually. 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:14.960 And the you know when that crazy man broke into the Queen's flat or the Queen's Queen's um flat in Buckingham Palace. 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.320 This reminds me of the PDD episode where I described that he lived in a flat. 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:21.840 Of course, he lives in a mansion. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.240 The Queen lives in a palace, but yeah, when he broke into her bedroom bedroom in the palace, yeah. 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:34.480 Yeah, the home secretary threatened, said that he was gonna resign because he was like, this happened under my watch and I'm the home my sovereign husband, whatever. 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:56.639 So the fact that he's not that he's still hanging on to power and he thinks these excuses about process are gonna get him that it's just it's really emblematic of the kind of leadership, labor leadership we've had, which is that if we just have this sort of um process-oriented bureaucracy ordered in the correct way, everything will be fine. 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:07.279 And it's so interesting how in a legal process, um, you know, uh Kiris Stomer being a very proficient barrister, that kind of thing might work. 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:10.000 You might be able to go on paper, I am innocent. 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:19.039 But to the general public, people are thinking you gave the satanic paedophile, or the guy who was friends of the satanic paedophile an ambassadorship, you know? 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:24.320 I mean, Mandelson did email Epstein's calling Epstein his best friend. 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:24.639 Yeah. 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:26.559 I mean, I don't think they were best friends. 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:35.440 I just think Mandelson is a brown noser and was trying to, you know, get up Jeffrey Epstein's asshole, metaphorically. 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:39.120 And yeah, I mean, I I it's such a strange pick. 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:51.600 I mean, we'd all like Peter Maddelson to leave the country and you know get him out of here, but giving him a prestigious role outside of the country, it seems I don't know, there's something about Peter Maddelson. 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.159 He's called the Prince of Darkness for a reason. 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:57.600 It's not just because he's evil, which he obviously is. 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:00.559 It's that he does this thing where he does kind of work magic. 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:05.279 And I think it was understood that he could go to America and kind of ingratiate himself. 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:12.159 He was already ingratiated in Washington, and he could sort of just work this magic with the Trump administration. 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:23.279 And it kind of exactly what you say, it lets us know that none of these positions are based on character or values or even like a good track record. 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:28.080 It's really all about like, can you grease the palms? 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.759 Like it's all this kind of like they used to talk about like Blair sleaze. 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:38.399 Yeah, it's really sleazy, it's all about like, well, can you be effectively slimy? 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:42.080 It's really, really um odd. 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:57.840 And we do see this in the PMC in general, but you would think, given that so many of these people are so used to kind of constantly covering their own backs, I'm always surprised when they allow a quagmire like this to just, you know, form and then implode. 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:06.080 And I think that Kirstarmer will resign after the council elections on May 7th. 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:21.600 And I think that for him that's a lot easier than say someone like Jeremy Corbyn, not that he was ever Prime Minister, but you know, I'm just using him as a an archetype of someone that's always been in

Labour and has been a politician for decades and decades, been an MP since the 1970s. 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:23.360 Keir Starmer hasn't. 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:30.960 He was a really successful barrister who then became head of the Crown Prosecution Service. 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:33.440 He can always just be, and then he went into politics. 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:38.240 He's in his 60s now, and he could always just be like, okay, well, I just won't do politics anymore. 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:39.120 Bye guys. 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:41.519 It should be a lot easier for him to go. 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:50.720 He's not wedded to the Labour Party in the way that people like Corbyn and Diane Abbott and probably MPs that have been around for ages that I just don't know of. 00:15:51.039 --> 00:16:04.320 Um and I think that I I kept I saw him in the last Prime Minister's questions where an MP from reform and an MP from Labour both got ejected because they called him a liar. 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:08.159 And you're not allowed to conduct yourself like that in parliament. 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:14.480 You're not allowed to insult, or you're certainly not allowed to call someone a liar because it kind of undermines the whole thing. 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.799 You're meant to be there as the right honourable member. 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:20.720 Like that's literally, you know, how you get addressed when you're in parliament. 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:25.519 Um and you know, that's just the way that we do things here. 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:31.360 But Diane Abbott stood up and she more just kind of implied that something was amiss. 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:36.480 And she said, you know, if you didn't know and no one had told you, why didn't you ask? 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:49.279 And I think that's actually a better way to frame it is kind of unwillingness and incompetence and this idea of just totally trusting the process rather than trusting reality, logical deduction. 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.159 And I don't think his time is a liar. 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:54.320 I think he is just a man of process. 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.519 I don't think he thought he had to ask because he trusts the process. 00:16:57.759 --> 00:16:59.360 Well, the process wasn't followed. 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:06.400 That's but that he he's saying if the process was followed, I would have known he didn't pass enhanced betting and I wouldn't have appointed him. 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.400 But the reason why he didn't ask is because he wanted plausible deniability. 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:14.960 He wanted to say if it came up later, I didn't know, because he actually didn't know because he never asked. 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.640 It's a thing that people do when they want plausible deniability. 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:25.200 Obviously, even just with the man's public record, you don't even need to get into the satanic paedophile. 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:31.119 Um, he was not going to

pass vetting dodgy financial dealings, his husband involved in dodgy financial dealings. 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:37.839 I mean, true, truly the slimiest of slimy politicians, it was they announced it before the vetting came back. 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:40.480 They didn't want to know, is what it comes down to. 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.559 And it was a chemocracy. 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:48.079 Um and it's just very interesting that they think that they can use these techniques. 00:17:48.240 --> 00:18:21.279 And I think more and more people are starting to see the left for what it really is, particularly in this country, particularly this like milieu of the left, whether it's this, which is fundamentally about the rape of children, grooming gangs, which is about the rape of children, um, kind of Kirstarma's own personal conduct to do with Ukrainian rent boys and so on, it's like a it's a um it's a it's a it's a kind of political milieu that is entrenched with rape and perversion. 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:35.200 And I think that's really if even if people are going for the greens who have these insane um policies to do with drugs and prostitution and so on, whether it's the greens or reform, people are really rebelling against. 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:42.240 There's a sense that what basically we're kind of having the disruptive moment that Trump brought about in 2016. 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:47.440 Now, it's about 10 years later, it's usually when it happens, when people turn away from the political establishment. 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:59.359 And that's what we're seeing, I think, is that labor had to really really present themselves to the public with their kind of um bungling of the grooming gang scandal. 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:07.920 Now this, as like the like a pro-rate party, which I know is a very strong thing to say, but that's really what I think the impression is among the public. 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:25.680 I think that is what a lot of the general public feel because of the cover-up of the grooming gangs, and that it happened so much in Labour council areas, not exclusively, but that also so many Labour MPs tried to basically um whitewash it and cover it up. 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.240 This has happened successively. 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:32.160 And yeah, it it is like we are on the brink of our Trump moment. 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:40.960 I mean, I certainly hope that if Keir Starmer goes and then whoever gets in next, really we need a general election because people are so disaffected. 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:47.920 Like the Greens are more popular by it than Labour, and our Green Party is led by a tit whisperer. 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.799 I mean, he's a pervert in all senses of the words. 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:55.119 And a salafist, another pervert, a Wahhabi. 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:56.480 Who's a Wahhabi? 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.759 The deputy leader of the Greens, Mountain Rally, yeah. 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:12.079 Yeah, so you've got this like man that thinks he can hypnotize tits to be bigger, and then a salafist who, you know, wants Islam to take over the globe. 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:17.119 And I mean they're not gonna win, but they might be in opposition, which would be hilarious. 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:20.079 But really, we're gonna have our Trump moment with reform. 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:26.480 And I think the the restore party is getting big, but people know more who reform are at the moment. 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:31.359 So if there's a general election soon, reform will win in a major, major landslide. 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:31.839 Yeah. 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:43.279 And I always think about they used to talk about um shy Tories because the Tories would always do much better on the day in elections than over the phones when pollsters would call. 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:58.240 It's because people were sometimes a bit shy about wanting to admit that they were going to vote conservative because there managed to be this um the Conservatives royal got called the nasty party in the 90s, and this is one of the many reasons though that bl that Blair won. 00:20:58.319 --> 00:20:59.519 It's just one of many. 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:11.119 And then they managed to kind of um take that sheen off with David Cameron in 2010, who said things like hook a huddy and uh you know this carriage and yeah, yeah. 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:18.480 But there is still that effect, and what I think of is there are shy Tories and the silent reformers, yeah. 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:27.039 And you just don't know, but they are ready to vote reform when it's necessary to do, like on the day. 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.000 And um I don't really see the Labour Party. 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:39.599 I think the Labour Party are experiencing a similar crisis that's kind of existential, similar to how the Democrats are in America, in that they're like, what do we stand for? 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:59.759 And in the past, they always used to sell this broad church thing where, yeah, there are centrists like Keir Starmer and Wes Streeting, and then there are center leftists like Ed Miliban and Angela Rayner, and then there are other socialists like Corbyn and Diane Abbott, and then there are even some really disgustingly like right wing centrist sort of types that I actually think. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:01.759 Are much worse than most Tories. 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:10.799 And that kind of they used to say that like a good thing, but now it has become to the point where people don't really know what they stand for. 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:13.839 And there's all of these kind of strange contradictions. 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:21.920 And people basically don't want Labour anymore as a party, and they don't believe that they'll do, they'll deliver. 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:23.599 That's what they have to say, they'll deliver. 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:30.960 And I have a friend that her mom's a Labour counsellor,

and she said, Oh, you know, Labour have done this and this, which is good. 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:33.920 And I just said, Well, maybe those, I'm sure those things are true. 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:35.119 Nobody knows. 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:40.319 Nobody knows about the couple policies that have been implemented that are actually good. 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:52.480 People at the moment are just struggling so much with the cost of living, um, with our institutions failing, that they're just like, we need a new, we have to have a swap. 00:22:52.640 --> 00:23:05.200 And I think that if there is a general election soon or in 2029, after that point, I don't really know who, like who the Labour Party are going to decide, like what they stand for. 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:11.920 Well, I think what the Keir Starmer thing was about was we had those crazy kooky anti-Semitic leftists. 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:19.200 I'm the adult in the room, I was the I was the chief prosecutor, I'm, you know, the reasonable guy. 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:21.519 I, you know, I'm not going to be emotional. 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.039 I'm bringing in everything together. 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:28.480 And then it turned out for that not to be the case at all. 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:35.359 And I just really do think that, first of all, economically, I has been a disaster as far as I can tell. 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:38.400 I don't think Rachel Reese has done an excellent job or anything. 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:44.319 But also these issues, again, that are this kind of materialism that says this is what people care about. 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:58.559 I mean, there's the horrendous euthanasia law, the grooming gang scandal, and obviously the biggest and most important elephant in the room, migration, it's these cultural issues that people really care about. 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:01.599 And people go, oh no, but you know, we helped pensions. 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:02.720 They didn't, by the way. 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:13.119 But even if this were the case, or even this was this what they were promising, um, it's the it's the reluctance or the inability to address these so-called cultural issues. 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:24.880 And I think the Mandelson thing really is like this is their internal culture, and this is what they're promoting in our broader culture as well, is paedophilia, is rape. 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.000 And um, people are noticing that. 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:40.480 I think it's emblematic of the way that the left, and you know, I know the Labour Party is really centrist, but it has a lot of left support and a lot of left-leaning people in it. 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:48.000 It's it's that thing where they say we're the ethical ones and we're the ones that can get things done. 00:24:48.079 --> 00:25:05.759 And then you look at Mandelson, the scandal around him, and it's emblematic of actually you're the corrupt ones, you're the cronies, you're the tramocracy, you're the ones that actually have really bad sexual politics when it comes to literally the rape of children. 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:17.519 And then, yeah, as you say, I mean, the euthanasia law has been defeated because it ran out of time, but even that that was going to be passed under labor, it's like no one wants this kind of like progressive so-called progressivism anymore. 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:17.920 No. 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:24.400 Like this isn't the 2010s, you know, when I think that had um that was much more on the up and up. 00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:28.960 And I think the people who do want that stuff are voting green, who are saying it up front. 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:33.759 Like, even how that what they did with the euthanasia law is they brought it in through a private member's bill. 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:38.000 No one voted on that being um in a platform anywhere. 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:43.599 They're they have these, this, this section of the party that have these politics and they're also not confident about it. 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:52.079 Whereas the Greens are standing up going, we want to legalize drugs and we want more migration, and we don't believe that Israel should exist or whatever. 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:54.799 And the people who feel that way are just voting for them. 00:25:55.039 --> 00:26:06.160 But it's again this CD, um underhanded sort of tactics that they that labor seemed to use kind of for everything, that people have had enough with. 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:12.240 And it comes from not having a political center, and there just doesn't seem to be a political center anymore. 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:23.200 And I even think, yeah, this like net zero stuff, which I'm sorry, by any measure is just like openly and unapologetically anti-working class. 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:31.279 There's just, there's absolute these policies just only exclusively seem to affect the lives of working class people. 00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:36.319 There really isn't anything here that holds this party together as a political force. 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:45.279 Yeah, I mean, Labour always had this idea that I mean, everyone in the working class is supposed to vote for them, right? 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:55.519 And generally, like I think in the past that's what I was told that like everybody did, like from the working class generally, um, or overwhelmingly. 00:26:55.680 --> 00:27:01.119 And it does feel like it almost feels like they're taking the piss out of the working class. 00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:20.400 Because it's the working class that live in areas that then asylum seeker hotels get um, you know, constructed in, as in like, you know, a nice hotel near you, um, 200 random men that have come on boats from the third world where particular areas where they treat women like dog shit. 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.880 Um it's those was worn off people are having to put up with that. 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:34.960 Then you even just this um this

clip that went round of Stella Creasey dancing, she put it on herself, dancing at a silent disco. 00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:43.359 And then people were just like writing, you know, facts about what life is like in the UK for working class people. 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.319 It's just like, why are you dancing whilst Rome burns? 00:27:46.559 --> 00:28:04.720 Like mm-ordinary people are struggling to actually like fuel their car because of um the huge, huge spike in oil prices, in even inflation in the next few months for food is gonna go up to I think it was 3.2% after years of food inflation anyway. 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:06.559 So people are they've really lost. 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:12.079 Like, I mean, Keir Starmer is he's named after Keir Hardy, who founded the Labour Party. 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.079 And it's almost like this bookend, yeah. 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:15.440 It's like this guy started it. 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:16.480 Great Lacanian. 00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:18.079 This guy is ending it. 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:18.480 Yeah. 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:33.920 Not that he's meaning to, but it's like if you aren't going to represent the working class, but just say you are, and actually it's the it's working class girls that got groomed by Pakistani rape gangs, it's the working class that are having to worry about things like inflation. 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:42.319 I always thought like maybe Labour will do something like, you know, rent control, something for the working class that is progressive, right? 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.039 In a genuine kind of European way. 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:53.599 Um, this is what they have in Germany and other places where people have much more housing security, but they haven't. 00:28:54.000 --> 00:29:01.119 And I just find it uh it's very hard to work out what the Labour Party have to offer. 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:11.200 And I know they've kind of inherited this terrible economic time that we're in now, but also people still look to them like, but you're in charge, you could make it better. 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:24.079 And as you say, that a lot of the people who like basically are left-leaning now just go to the Greens because the Greens are a bunch of nutters that have said, we'll give you all this stuff, which I don't really think they'd be able to do. 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:25.920 And a lot of it is terrible. 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.559 Like it would actually really damage the working class to legalize drugs. 00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:40.000 Um it would really damage working class women to legalize prostitution and promote it as some sort of like good career. 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:52.960 So, but yeah, no, I do feel like there is a kind of crisis, and I don't I don't think Labour will be in power again for a generation, and I think they might end, is in so many people will jump ship. 00:29:53.200 --> 00:30:05.440 And similar for the Tories at their conference this year, apparently, like most rooms were barely full, as in like sometimes it was embarrassing, like 16 people would show up to see someone speak. 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:12.880 So I just think we're moving to a different um paradigm and certainly a difference in what people are willing to vote for. 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:14.160 There's there is this polarization. 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.880 For years the left been saying, Oh, the center is dead, the center is dead. 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:27.200 I kind of feel like Keir Starmer was the last hurrah of that possibility working because people were disaffected with the Tories because the country was going down the pans. 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:28.400 So they thought, well, what should we do? 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:30.000 We just switch from blue to red. 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:32.880 But now red can't sort it out. 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:36.559 It is just people are gonna mainly vote for reform and the greens. 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:47.839 Yeah, and I even just your mention of Stella Creasey makes me think of her tweets where she makes it so clear that she's dissatisfied in being a mother. 00:30:48.079 --> 00:31:01.519 I just think there's this impression, rightly, or whether or not I mean, I know lots of women um have difficulty talking about, you know, how they might regret motherhood and it's it's it's it's an issue in its own right. 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:12.160 But there's this impression of this slimy careerist that I think the the dominant paradigm in labor being, you know, these blue labor blairite types. 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:17.519 Um and when they led the party, this is exactly what happened. 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:29.359 Their slimy careerism tramocracy thing uh let them, you know, appoint the a guy called the Prince of Darkness to be the ambassador to the US. 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:34.240 Um so we'll see um what happens. 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:35.920 I think it's gonna be Rayner. 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:41.200 I think Ed Miliband, because of the really unpopular net zero policies, is not gonna be it. 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.240 And I also think people saying, well, you've lost before, didn't you? 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:45.359 So we'll see. 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:50.480 I think that net zero is bad in general election for Ed Miliband. 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.759 I don't know if most Labour voters care that much about it. 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.640 I think that they're probably majority for it. 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.440 Just to say Blue Labour is very good, they're not blairites. 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:00.880 Or did I get them mixed up? 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.000 I know what you mean. 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.000 Like that's the impression of Blue Labour. 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:14.640 It's this idea of the right wing of Labour, but actually they're very left-wing economically and just socially quite conservative, like some people not too far away from this um sofa. 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.759 So um, no,

they're not sleazy blarits. 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:26.160 Blairism was a real kind of thing unto itself, this kind of third-way centrism and the sleaze that went along with it. 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:30.720 And it produced a lot of slimy PMC culture. 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:36.160 And people like Stella Creasey really um have always existed in that world. 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:37.680 Same with Jess Phillips. 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:46.480 And a lot of them just really think that they can ram through whatever their vision is, like this thing of abortion until birth. 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.559 No, like the 90% of people when poll don't support that. 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:51.119 Yeah. 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.920 This was not in any manifesto as far as I'm aware. 00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:54.319 Yeah. 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.720 Maybe it was and I missed it, but this is not what voters actually want. 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:06.960 But Jess Phillips and Stella Creasy wanted to put it through, I think, for their own personal reasons to do with the their abortions. 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.039 I mean, that's that's what I think. 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:09.839 Yeah. 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:31.599 I mean it is um It's crazy the things that they do that they that I think they imagine make them more relatable end up doing the opposite when Sal Crease is tweeting treat tweeting about, you know, it's so hard being a mum and you can't go to drinks to network or whatever. 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.200 It's like the Christmas party. 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:34.640 The Christmas party. 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:41.759 It just it's really weird, super alienating, not a thought that normal people have. 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:44.319 It's it's it's so gratuitous and weird. 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:45.200 Get a babysitter. 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:46.960 Like it's just, it's just strange. 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:55.279 It's kind of like any anything that stands in in as an obstacle in my kind of personal success, I will resent publicly. 00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:03.519 It's not giving um relatable normal person vibes at all in the way that I think it does. 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:10.400 And I'd like just thoughtful about Jess Phillips' kind of rage at those grooming gang victim women. 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:19.760 Um, it is incredible every time they try to do something to court the average woman voter, they manage to fuck it up. 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:30.320 I think Rosie Duffield should be leader or Mike Amesbury, who's currently uh I don't know, no, he didn't go to prison. 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:37.440 Got convicted of uh common assault where someone was like kind of harassing him on the street and he thumped them. 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.960 And uh he follows me on he follows me on Twitter, and I was like, you know what? 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:44.800 I support him. 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:58.800 I don't think you should necessarily thump constituents, but I do, I actually think it's much more relatable for a working class man to lose his rag, or any man to lose his rag, with someone harassing him on the street and saying, Oh, you didn't expect that, did you? 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.280 Push him over a traffic cone and thump him. 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.800 So those are who I want to leave the Labour Party. 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.119 Rosie Duffield and Mike Amesbury. 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.360 He's probably been kicked out of the party for that. 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:11.199 That was actually that's much more normal. 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:19.119 That's a much more normal human response to things than these kind of weird, um yeah, you were you're right. 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:24.320 They come up with weird things that they think are relatable that aren't relatable at all. 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:25.119 Yeah. 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:25.840 Yeah. 00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:27.679 Like very, very strange. 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:28.159 But you know what? 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.159 It's that it is that third sector culture. 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:43.920 I think they just live in these bubbles and then they forget how to talk to people because they become so interchangeable, and they all kind of use the same um it's not just it's not just um words, it's the tone and intonation. 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:46.960 And haircut, like the bob thing. 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.280 Oh yeah, the bob thing. 00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:50.559 Yeah. 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:51.360 Yeah. 00:35:51.599 --> 00:36:00.480 Well, honestly, I just hope there's a general election soon so we can just get it over with, and we just are into a bit of a new era at that point. 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.519 I know that there'll be some downsides, but that's kind of like with everything. 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.719 Yeah, I'm just quite scared of the Greens, to be honest. 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:10.719 Like that's gonna be a shit show, but we'll see. 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:12.639 I don't even believe they'll be in opposition, really. 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:13.840 I think with the Lib Dems. 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:31.840 Apparently they are the biggest Green Party in Europe now, and that's uh I'm sure they are, because a lot of people are attracted to their economic policies because a lot of people are really as I say, struggling with like unable to buy a house, unable to have any financial security. 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:42.320 But it's just that it is not worth even some of their economic policies that you think, oh, maybe that's sensible for their they plan to bring in five million migrants. 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:43.440 Was it a year? 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:44.880 It's within a period of time. 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:45.440 I can't remember. 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:48.639 It's like gonna be a repeated cycle of five million. 00:36:48.880 --> 00:37:00.719 Um, I guess they're wanting to import voters, but it will be a little bit strange if the majority of people in the UK are from abroad. 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:03.119 Yeah. 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:06.000 That'll be strange. 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:06.719 Anyway. 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.800 If you wanted to whip up a civil war, that might be the way to do it, guys. 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.760 Thanks for listening, everyone. 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.880 We will catch you next time. 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:19.760 Yes. 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.800 All right, and check us out on Patreon if you like our material. 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.440 Oh, because we're gonna be away for the month of May. 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:25.920 Yes. 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.679 We're going on hiatus for just May, and then we'll be back in June. 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:36.000 So if you want to carry on listening, check us out on Patreon where we do we will still be doing a bonus episode every weekend. 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:36.719 Yes. 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:38.320 During that time. 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:40.480 All right, thanks for listening. 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:41.280 Bye-bye. 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:41.920 Bye.