บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Aaron Futrell interview New Studio, New Podcast, and Big Things Coming for Rack Junkies

00:03:50.159 You know, we're talking, goofing off. 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.280 And I kind of wish more people like saw that with him. 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:54.639 It's just like we were talking. 00:03:54.719 --> 00:04:02.960 The the best story was uh he was at a uh show down in um uh Mount Hope, Ohio, and they were doing a uh a deer auction. 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.599 And we uh you brought up the story that uh one of uh your followers. 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.560 So yes, it's actually uh Josh, or not Josh Larson. 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:12.719 I always it's Josh, I always mix the two guys up so it just because of their last name. 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:18.560 But it was funny because he told he was at the the the show and they they invited me out to DC. 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:24.079 I'm at this fancy, you know, banquet for you know meeting politicians, yeah, yeah, fancy dinner. 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:26.240 I'm like, oh dude, I hate big cities, man. 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.480 I can't I couldn't wait to get out of the big cities. 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:34.959 Like DC was cool and the event was cool, and I got to meet some interesting people, but it it like the big city thing's horrible. 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:41.839 But so so what I was told was Vivek's at this show and he's going through his speech, you know how politicians do it. 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.839 And and after the podcast, I sit down, I were talking with Vivek. 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:47.600 I said, Hey, I got a hunting story about you. 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:48.879 And he looked at me so confused. 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:50.240 He's like, What are you talking about, man? 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:51.839 Like, I'm a vegetarian, I don't hunt. 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:53.600 And I told him about Mount Hope. 00:04:53.759 --> 00:05:00.639 I said, you know, you got to the part of your speech where you were gonna bring up gas prices, electric prices, stuff like that. 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:10.160 And the way I heard it was that Vivek kind of looked around the room and all of a sudden realized, like, oh, over half of this crowd is Amish. 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:11.120 What am I doing? 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:14.639 Yeah, they're not worried about gas prices in Amish country. 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.800 Well, when I asked him about though, he started laughing. 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:18.000 Like right off the bat, he started laughing. 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:20.079 He goes, he's like, it wasn't right before. 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:25.759 He's like, but in the middle of my speech, I did look around and go, Oh, this is not the normal audience. 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.079 They listen, if they want uh religious freedom, they should be voting for me, you know. 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:35.199 Like he made his case, but at the same time, he's like, he's like, Yeah, I didn't really know how to get out of that. 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:41.120 He's like, I was prepared to speak to you know, the hunters and anglers, and and it was a it was a big farming community. 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:47.519 So there's a lot of like high fence guys there auctioning off beer, and it was a bunch of Amish people, and he just was in this weird spot. 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:52.319 Uh, but you know, the Amish to actually do like Bavake, it seems, uh, from the polling and everything. 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:57.839 But it was it was interesting, like you said, to see him off camera just laughing and having a good time. 00:05:57.920 --> 00:05:58.560 That was interesting. 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.240 Because he's he's like a normal guy, like off camera. 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:25.040 I'm like, I wish more people would you would be able to see that, you know, like and I think that's a problem with a lot of politicians because we were at the RNC with Hunter Nation, they invited us up there, and when we were talking with the politicians off camera, they were like more like they let their guard down more and they were more relaxed and you know, hang out type guys. 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:30.240 But as soon as you flip up your phone to hey, let's do an interview, they were just like different person. 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.959 You're just like, yeah, if like you ever see the the movie The Perfect Game with uh Kevin Costner. 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:44.319 Yes, there's uh he he's like gets on the mound, he's like clear the mechanism, and he just like it like locks in, and they're just like totally different people. 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.120 It's it's it is it is fun to watch. 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.839 They you know they have their lines and they have all that. 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:53.920 And one of the things I want to do, because we have a bunch of politicians trying to come on here, how do you get them off of that? 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:59.920 Like, I I want to show people who these politicians really are, whether it's state state reps, state senators, people on the federal level. 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.560 We've got some big, big people that want to come on. 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.000 I want to show like who these people really are. 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:14.079 And I think that we can do that in in a little bit longer form because they can hold it together for you know, I mean, a 15-minute interview, they can. 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:16.639 Once you get a half hour to an hour, I think it starts to come back. 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:24.000 Like the Joe Rogan effect, where the longer you go, the less you can hold up your uh your stone faced facade. 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:24.480 Yeah. 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:32.399 But it's like I think also the lower down the totem pole you go, or I think it's actually higher, like the lower is like the more prominent. 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:41.839 But the higher you go, like, you know, the state reps aren't as I wouldn't say as polished as the federal politicians, but those are the ones you're gonna see. 00:07:42.240

--> 00:07:45.759 Um probably the the more true self that they are. 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:52.879 And that's where you're gonna get um, you know, you know, but they say all politics is local. 00:07:53.279 --> 00:08:02.800 So that's where you're gonna see the the real people that represent you, is when we get like the state politicians on the lower, I'm gonna say the lower ranking, but those are the ones that are really gonna affect who you are. 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:09.439 You know, those are the people that are really gonna affect you is when we get your local and state, your local politicians, your state politicians on here. 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.399 I think those are the ones that are really gonna Yeah. 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:17.680 And with regards to hunting, but with regards to hunting, that's that's that's how I want to do this with these politicians. 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:22.000 Is I know that it was always something that I heard from Randy Newberg when I'd listen to his podcast. 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.079 He's like, Well, people get mad when I do politics. 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:25.199 I I disagree. 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:26.959 I actually think that he's wrong on that. 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:36.240 People in the hunting community, when I do political posts about like, hey, this is what this politician thinks or that, like the Vivek numbers are crazy, like on the podcast downloads, especially. 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:43.679 Like, I mean, we're like 10,000 views on YouTube, which is pretty good for a podcast on YouTube, but like the the download numbers are getting crazy. 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:52.559 And I I want to keep that going because I really truly believe hunters understand that they're not gonna be able to save their hunting rights if we're not talking about politics. 00:08:52.799 --> 00:09:01.919 When people say, Oh, uh, I hate politics, I hate politics, what I think they mean is I don't like talking with my friends and family about politics because it's uncomfortable. 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.240 That doesn't mean that they don't like it, that they're not interested. 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:06.879 People are more interested in this than anyone realizes. 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:10.159 And when I have a politician on, the numbers go up. 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:24.240 When I write a post about a politician wanting to, you know, introduce a right to hunt and fish, uh, a constitutional right to hunt and fish, like is happening in Pennsylvania with uh Senator Rothman right now, um, which we didn't get to interview at the RNC, but but we're working on that one here soon. 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:27.279 People tune in, the views go up. 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.960 You can see through the analytics that people do like it. 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:41.440 And I think that the the perception that it's bad is why most of these hunting content creators avoid it, is just because they think that their audience isn't gonna like it. 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:49.200 Well, I think they're wrong, but even if they're not wrong, everybody else can cover, you know, you know, five tips to killing a big buck in October or whatever. 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:51.120 That like those podcasts can be done. 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:52.799 That's not what we're gonna do here. 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:58.000 And I kind of want to move into to what some some more of the content we're gonna do. 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:08.399 I mentioned the uh gun content kind of kind of things because we have gun junkies, um, you know, fish junkies, you know, we we we do other content other than hunting, and we're gonna bring some of that on here. 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:14.639 So I want to talk about a little more about um the the the podcast we have coming up. 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:18.879 We're gonna go to the NRA, we're gonna talk with maybe their CEO, maybe their head lobbyist. 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.639 I there's there's like a couple of people, maybe two or three podcasts at their headquarters. 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.600 We're gonna go in, we're gonna go see their museum. 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:28.799 They're giving us a secret tour to their basement where nobody really goes. 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:30.080 Like they want to show us everything. 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:32.080 I'm kind of I'm kind of curious about that. 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:33.759 What is in the NRA vault? 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:35.440 What is in the NRA basement? 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:37.039 Where do they what do they keep down there? 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.200 They got Wayne LaPierre locked up down there. 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:39.759 I don't know. 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:41.039 Mike, I don't know. 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:44.879 Charlton Heston's body is he on ice like Walt Disney. 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:49.679 Well, the thing is the the NRA though, the NRA actually, I was they have his cold dead hands. 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:51.919 That is a fantastic. 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:56.559 He was actually, for those that don't know, he was actually the president of the NRA. 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:04.159 Yeah, and he's the one that made the you'll have to take it from my cold dead hands uh line famous back in like the I believe it was in the 70s. 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:05.600 I don't know nineties. 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:06.000 I don't know. 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:07.360 I'm 70s or 80s, I think. 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:08.080 Something like that. 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:15.759 Well, because the nineties is when the NRA uh Bill Clinton actually gave credit to the NRA for um him losing a midterm election. 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:17.919 So they do some good work at the NRA. 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:21.600 And that's kind of, and I know that it's not directly hunting related. 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:44.240 And the reason I wanted to segue into this is because when I'm talking to politicians about hunting, I'm not gonna let them like come on and just talk

about uh guns because they try to pigeonhole uh hunters into gun owners, and it it largely works because we all care, like even if you don't like I'm more of a bow hunter, but I still love guns, you know, because bow hunting you know goes from September to February here in Ohio. 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.440 So and gun season is a week long with an extra weekend. 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:54.720 So you have 10 days of uh of gun season and you know, four months, four or five months of bow season. 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:59.440 So of course we're bigger bow hunters than we are gun hunters, but that doesn't mean guns aren't important, yeah. 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:00.639 And they're important to hunters. 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:01.600 There is a crossover there. 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.120 Yeah, that's a huge Venn, you know, crossover in the Venn diagram of gun owners and hunters. 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:07.360 Sound like Kamal Harris with her Venn diagrams. 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:08.480 Good job. 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:13.840 Uh but I want to I want to jump into some of the controversial topics with I just wanted to touch on that real quick. 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:23.360 But the the the hunting community, right now, you you said you do the news and and and you do that, and you're gonna be starting a the Sportsman Party podcast here soon where you're gonna be covering the hunting news. 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:27.440 So I want to give people a little bit of an insight into what that's gonna be like. 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:30.960 You're you're more of a very prepared person, you like prepare things a lot and everything. 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:32.559 So this is kind of on the spot. 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:38.320 But what what are some of the big news stories going on right now in the hunting community that people need to be aware of? 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:45.840 Okay, like um the way I like to do the news is like I like to do a mix of the fun, interesting news and the serious news. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:51.120 Like some of the big news, let's see here, let's pick out off the top of my head what's going on. 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:59.919 Let's see, the post that I did this morning is the New Mexico attorney general is uh see if I can remember this. 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:08.720 Uh believes that the non-resident outfitter allocation of elk tags is unconstitutional. 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:10.879 So that's kind of like a heavy news story. 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:20.960 So that's gonna get a lot of um elk hunters talking about tag allocation in New Mexico, and then also it relates to how tags are allocated all across the West. 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:22.879 So that's kind of a bigger story. 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:24.159 So well, let me ask you about that. 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:28.159 So so this we saw this when I was doing covering Montana a lot. 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:36.080 Like I showed the corner, it started with corner crossing, it ended with the Montana Outfitters and Guides Association putting out a statement about me, blocking me. 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:38.559 It was it was a whole fiasco there for a little while. 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:50.879 But one of the things that the guides were the guides were in the room lobbying with the governor to get more tags allocated to out of state hunters because every tag that they switch over can be 10, 10 grand for them. 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:51.279 Oh, yeah. 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.519 So it makes a lot of sense for the guides to want it. 00:13:53.679 --> 00:14:05.919 But the everyday hunters in the in in the states, we all want things to kind of favor us in our own states, but we also want at the same time the other states to favor us as well. 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:08.320 Like everybody wants, everybody's advocating for themselves. 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:09.039 Oh, yeah, exactly. 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:10.799 So so where does this come down on that? 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:17.200 Is this too many tags being given to the outfitters, or is it just people complaining in state that also want to go out of state? 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:26.799 Uh, it seems to be that like um 90% of the tags were that outfitters got went to out-of-state hunters. 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:28.720 So I'm still trying to dig into it. 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:39.440 I just kind of uh did a I'm probably I'm gonna do more posts on it, but I've kind of did a basic overview of it of what was uh reported in the news and what the attorney general said. 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.519 So it's basically looking like tags. 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:53.039 They're saying more tags went to outfitters and those tags went to non-residents, and he they want more tags to be available in the lottery system. 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:57.840 So, but that doesn't mean that more tags are going to be allocated towards just residents. 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:06.480 There's, you know, non-residents can get tags in the lottery system, but they're saying more too many tags went to the guide system that went to public land. 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:16.799 So they just want the the attorney general says that's unconstitutional, saying that you know, too many of these tags were set aside and that they weren't available to the general public. 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:24.320 So he's gonna either say, legislature, take care of this with the regulation, or we may sue. 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:27.440 So this is this is kind of the thing that I know I have a lot of Iowa fans. 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:32.480 Iowa, Iowa loves me because they're the most overrated state in the country when it comes to big bucks. 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:35.200 They're they're easily they're good, they're a big, good big buck state. 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:36.480 You know, they're number four, number five. 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.360 You know, we see that in the data, and they they love it when I say that. 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:46.480 But Iowa really, from

a political standpoint, they really do represent their residence over everybody else. 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:51.919 They've got insanely high tags, or they got insanely high license prices, tags. 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:54.799 They allocate very few tags to out of state hunters. 00:15:54.960 --> 00:16:00.399 And so, like we're in Ohio where anybody anywhere in the country can come here, buy a license and a tag. 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:04.320 It's not that expensive relative to other states, especially big buck states. 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:08.799 Ohio's the same price as I think it's I think it's Alabama or Georgia. 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:12.240 It's one of those, yeah, it's it's one of those SEC teams. 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:17.200 It's and so it's like, well, they've got tiny little deer, we've got great big giant bucks. 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:25.360 We have more like our our our deer herd is is better because of our because of our location, and we charge the same as they do. 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.080 So Ohio hunters sit here and we get mad. 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:31.840 We go, listen, we got the best deer herd and they're screwing us over. 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:40.960 None of us want to go down there to hunt when we have Ohio, or you know, more of us want to go to Iowa and hunt, but Iowa is representing their their people. 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:43.840 Ohio is not necessarily representing theirs. 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.720 And so it's it it where do you fall? 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:47.919 Where do you fall on this? 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:58.879 Who how should the states protect their residents and still open up the outside, um allow non-residents to come in to generate more money for the game agency? 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:10.880 Yeah, it's it's it's a tough call because we gotta look at it uh from the game agency's um point of view, because non-residence fees fund the game agency by a long shot. 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:18.240 Like non-residence fees outpays is I can't remember the exact number, but they bring in that's what brings in the main dollars. 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:20.720 The out of state in Ohio is over 50 percent. 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:22.559 Oh, I want to say it was 75 or something. 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:24.079 It's something it's something like that. 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:27.039 And that's the way it is across the board on almost all states. 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:35.839 All states, the non-resident fees, because they're way higher than the resident rates, that's where the main dollars come in to the game agency and license sales. 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.079 That is across the board, I think all 50 states. 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:40.640 Well, I don't know about Hawaii or some of the like that. 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:45.519 But anyways, I don't know because I don't know if they get a lot of non-residents hunting in Hawaii. 00:17:45.680 --> 00:18:05.039 But anyways, besides that, um that's so they got to try and balance their budget in a way that they're not trying, they don't make the laws where they're excluding so many non-residents that they're cutting down on the amount of money that they're bringing in, but also they need to protect residents, right? 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:06.480 That's that's a delicate balance. 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:10.799 It's like, how do you what do you how do you what how do you walk that tightrope? 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:11.119 Yeah. 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.279 So one thing that I did, I did this on uh I this is a controversial take, obviously. 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:21.200 People get really mad when I talk about like one of the most hate I get is when I talk about this, and not just Iowa. 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:24.720 I'm joking with Iowa, obviously, but like Iowa's a great state. 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:30.559 But the the one thing that I get a lot of pushback on is when I say, hey, listen, let's do reciprocal rates. 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:37.279 Like so Iowa's only gonna let like like there's like maybe a hundred people from Ohio or 200 people from Ohio that are gonna hunt Iowa this year. 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:37.920 Okay, fine. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.079 You guys get you only get 100 or 200 tags. 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:42.799 Uh Iowa, you're gonna charge$800 for me to go there. 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.920 Well, our state should charge Iowa residents$800 to come here. 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:54.880 You know, same thing with like Georgia or, you know, if Georgia has the same license rate as us for out-of-state hunters, charge them their out of charge them their their rate. 00:18:54.960 --> 00:19:01.759 Like charge them the higher amount because we we have to protect our residents, and I think people are still gonna pay it. 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:09.920 If I have to pay it somewhere else, I want my state representatives, I want my state game agency to be representing me and negotiating for me. 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:16.319 But what I'm seeing, and obviously, if you follow Rack Junkies, you know, I think that the game agencies are largely incompetent at what they're doing. 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:20.079 I think they're doing a horrible job in general, most of them, not all, but most of them. 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:23.680 And so what do you think of that perspective? 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.480 And is that an actual feasible option for us to do? 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:33.440 I think um especially we need to states need to get market value for their wildlife for their residents. 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:46.400 Like Iowa, I think, actually does a pretty good job because they have they have high quality deer, despite what you say, and they they're in a lottery system and they limit the number of non-residents. 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:52.240 So they're getting kind of they're trying to do the best to get market rate for their wildlife for non-residents. 00:19:53.119 --> 00:20:03.839 So let's say Ohio charges a higher rate for their

deer for non-residents and is reciprocal because you need to have a baseline high rate for what your wildlife is. 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:10.079 And I'd I'm not a I'm not opposed to a reciprocal rate, but it has to have a high baseline to get in. 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:17.440 And if some other state, like one of the highest rates being charged for non-residents is Oklahoma. 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:23.359 It's like just for to go hunt whitetail in Oklahoma, it'll cost you like eight or nine hundred bucks for Oklahoma. 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:27.519 And they're not even they're they're a decent, they're a decent state when it comes to big bucks. 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:28.720 There's some big bucks there, yeah. 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:29.599 But they're not Ohio. 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.079 They're not Ohio, Wisconsin, Illinois. 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:32.400 Yeah. 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:36.240 It's like, you know, you could go there, you're they got a lot of public land. 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.960 So that's you know, that's a that's a that's a draw. 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:53.440 But because the reason I'm because I just did a deep dive for a news article in uh Oklahoma over you know the past couple months because they just instituted a two-day waiting period to go hunting in Oklahoma if you buy a license during once the season's open. 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:54.720 Okay, let's let's jump into that. 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:56.880 That's a that's a good one because I I saw this article the other day. 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:58.400 Yeah, it's and I think it's a fun one. 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:04.559 People, people, people inherently know that this happens when, and and I bet you there's there's people out there that have done it. 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.519 You go to check in your deer and you realize, like, oh crap, I forgot to buy my tag. 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:11.440 You know, and that's it's one thing if it's like in state, um, you know, or you hunt. 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:12.480 I've I've heard people say this. 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:15.920 You know, I hunt, I hunt private land, you know, I don't have to buy a tag. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:21.359 I went and hunted somewhere, and I forgot to buy a tag, and it's like, okay, well, you know, it's 20 bucks or whatever. 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:28.160 But the bigger deal is when you come from out of state and you're supposed to pay$800 and you just wait to shoot a deer, and then you go check it in. 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:29.519 You just go buy your tag. 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:39.599 There was a certain percentage, I can't remember what it was, maybe you remember this better than I do, of people that were buying their tags and then checking in a deer like within an hour or something. 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:40.000 What was that? 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:40.799 What was that story like then? 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:41.440 Okay. 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:52.480 This was put out by the Oklahoma uh DNR, depart their Department of Wildlife, that 34% of hunters were checking in deer within an hour of buying their tag. 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:53.680 Wait, 34%? 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:57.200 34% of non-resident hunters were checking in a deer an hour. 00:21:58.079 --> 00:21:59.759 That's not that's that's not outlined. 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:00.720 Numbers. 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:02.559 No, that just okay. 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:11.680 If if it's just like under five percent, you'd be like, Oh, they forgot to buy their tag, or they bought a tag at the trailhead, went in there and shot a deer and then checked it in. 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:12.480 But wait, hold on. 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:14.079 Is that is that out that was out of state hunters? 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:15.039 Out-of-the-hunters. 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:22.240 Okay, because out of state hunters, it should be way less than five percent because you know you're go like like I try, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt to hunters. 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:26.079 Like, if you're in a state, you know, like I understand things happen. 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:32.480 So like I was trying to make that case, but if you're an out-of-state hunter, like the first thing you look at is how much does it cost to hunt? 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:34.319 Like, you know to do this. 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:36.880 So obviously, this is intentional. 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:42.559 And a third of them, a third, that's an I wonder what is there any news on like other states? 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:48.880 Uh, I wasn't able to find anything because that's like a that's a pretty uh nuanced and detailed. 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:51.920 I couldn't dig it, I couldn't find any information put out like that. 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:56.640 So that's something that a state would actually have to dig into their numbers and put out. 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:00.000 It's like that was none of that's not publicly available, really. 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:05.039 It's like I could probably do a public records request that would have to come back and it'd take me months to find it. 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:08.559 And I don't know if it's like that limb's worth the squeeze and trying to figure out. 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:09.039 Yeah. 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:16.400 I just wonder if Oklahoma is an outlier or if this is I bet you this, I would, I bet you this is going on in every I bet you every state has something like this going on. 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:28.319 Yeah, I bet you there is a certain percentage in a lot of states, but I would say it's probably the least there's not it's not as high in the least, you know, costly states. 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:33.440 You know, if like your your non-resident rate isn't as high, it's probably not as you know, as preparable. 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:34.000 Probably. 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:35.839 That'd be that'd be my guess. 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:39.920 I, you know, there's no proof to that, but it's probably my

that'd be my guess. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:47.279 Like, because Oklahoma is an exceptionally high state when it comes to non-resident deer tags, and it's the number they put out is 34%. 00:23:47.920 --> 00:24:09.920 Now, is is there any I might want to skip this part, but they there's a lot of people that complain about out-of-state hunters when it regards to like if you own land in a state, I know Iowa doesn't give landowners tags, even if you own like I was talking with uh Spook's fan on the phone uh a couple days ago, and he has property in Iowa, and he's like, I have to draw a tag, like I can't just get it because he doesn't live there. 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:11.599 Is there, are you seeing anything? 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:16.079 Uh is that becoming a problem with buying tags uh in in in other states? 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:17.119 Uh I don't really know. 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:17.759 Outside of Iowa. 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:18.720 I know Iowa this is a big thing. 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:20.319 Iowa is, but I've I've never looked into that. 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:21.920 That's so and something I haven't looked into. 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:22.400 Iowa. 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:29.680 I know uh it's been become a problem in Montana because people are complaining about that landowners that don't live in the state are getting elk tags. 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:30.480 Oh, yeah. 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:32.240 That's uh bad people are complaining. 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:36.319 Okay, this is one thing I gotta I just said I don't think the game agencies are generally doing a good job. 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:41.759 And I I stand by that, but there there is something to the fact that like game agencies do have a tough job. 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:42.319 Oh, yeah. 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:54.880 And and this is this I I compare this to CWD because uh, you know, I've obviously have a lot of opinions on CWD, I've read a lot of studies, I've fallen on the side that this CWD thing is just it's uh CWD 19. 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:57.440 It's it's dear COVID, it it's dumb what they did. 00:24:57.519 --> 00:24:58.720 They went overboard. 00:24:58.880 --> 00:24:59.759 That's my opinion. 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:00.720 People know that. 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:08.640 But at the same time, if you had CWD in your state, let's say the game agency did nothing, what's gonna happen? 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:18.480 The game agency is gonna take crap when anybody has a bad season, even if it's not CWD related, no matter what happens, the game agency is gonna be have people come after them. 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:23.119 Now, if you do something, then you have a bad season. 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.480 Hunters are still gonna blame the game agency, they're gonna get blamed either way. 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:27.039 Oh, yeah. 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:30.720 And and I'm wondering if if do you think that that's the same thing that's going on? 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.200 Or let me just segue straight into CWD topic. 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:40.400 Okay because you you said from the beginning, you said, man, you know, you're you're like the the voice of reason, and you know, I'm I can be a little over the top sometimes. 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:42.480 And that's true. 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:48.480 So let me ask you, what do you think about the CWD topic that's going on from the the the more reasonable guy's perspective? 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:53.119 Um let's see here. 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:54.240 CWD. 00:25:54.799 --> 00:26:02.640 Like when it started out, I looked at CWD, I'm like, okay, yeah, this is a big deal because I listened to all the beginning podcasts. 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:07.519 Um I wrote about it back when we were doing the hunting news, you know, a decade ago. 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.519 Um like CWD is a big deal. 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:13.599 Ten years ago, I thought that. 00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.160 I'm like, what's going on with this? 00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:23.839 There's I'm like, I tried to, I I did deep dives into it about what it is, um, you know, Prion disease. 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:35.119 I researched Crocsfield Jacobs disease, mad cow disease, everything that I could to figure out what this stuff is and how it is affecting us and how it could affect us. 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:44.079 And when I came in the more I'd studied it, the more I knew what we what I didn't know. 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:51.920 And that's and then the more I realized that the game agencies don't know anything. 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.240 No, not the more they don't know anything, it's like it's like very little, very little. 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:05.279 It's like there's not um there's not a lot known about it, and when the more you don't know about something, the harder it is to deal with something. 00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:13.279 And so when you're trying to deal with something that you don't know about, that makes it extremely difficult to deal with. 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:21.279 So you gotta start trying to do something, like you said just a few minutes ago, it's like if you don't do something, you're gonna get blamed. 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:28.000 And when you do do something, the chances of you doing something wrong are, you know, exponentially greater. 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:32.319 You're just like, what's the chance of you hitting a home run when you don't know what pitch is coming? 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:44.400 You know, you know, you're it's like it's not like you're the Houston Astros and you know you know what pitch is coming, you know, they're not bet, you know, CWD isn't banging on the trash can in the bullpen, you know, and it's like telling you what, you know, hey, you should do this. 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:50.640 You should, you know, look for the fastball because that's you know, you're gonna knock CWD out of the park and you know you're gonna do the exact right thing. 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:52.720 So he's like

they're so they're trying something. 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.440 Well, that would have made sense 10, 15 years ago. 00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:02.319 And but and now we're learning a whole lot more, and but they're I think they're just going down the exact same path. 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:11.839 But and that's why I think the CW19 seven CWD 19 is the perfect analogy because I see it's the exact same thing. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:26.400 It's like you're going down the exact same course, and you're not changing it based on the new research that has been coming out with the um with the the way the gene with what they're seeing with the yeah, so the genes. 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:27.200 I'll call it yeah. 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:44.880 There's an Illinois study that me and you went to uh the SCI show in Nashville, and we talked with the professor on this, and he showed us a bunch of data on what he's like, okay, well, you know, they have high prevalence rates here, and there's certain CWD genetics that are going to uh give deer deer will get CWD less. 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:46.559 This is a this is a misconception by people. 00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:50.799 They're like, oh well, see they get CWD at the same rate, they're just super spreaders, right? 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:52.640 CWD 19 again, yeah, right? 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:54.799 And and and it's it's not true. 00:28:54.960 --> 00:29:07.119 There's certain genetic markers where they have not found a deer to ever get CWD, but the scientific research says greater than or equal to zero, because you never say never in science, which fair enough. 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:13.599 But the prevalence rates we know for sure in in these different genetic markers are way low. 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:18.319 I mean, we're talking, you know, areas where you can have 30, 40% prevalence rates. 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.960 These deer are seeing prevalence rates below 1% across thousands of tests. 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:23.440 Oh, yeah. 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.279 In areas where there's CWD. 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:30.240 We have the data to show that the natural selection process will take place. 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:36.400 And it seems to me that the game agencies are having a hard time stepping away from all of the things they made. 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:44.400 Because if they come to you, they come to a landowner and go, hey man, you know how I screwed up your hunting for the last decade and we shot all your deer and you didn't get to hunt with your kids. 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.279 Yeah, we we we got that wrong. 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:49.440 Like that's a tough thing for a game agency. 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:50.559 They're gonna lose their job. 00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:55.759 I mean, hunters are rightfully gonna be angry if they come out and admit anything at this point. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.079 Oh, yeah, it's like, you know, like during CWD, he's like, you know, all those ventilators? 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.039 Yeah, those ended up killing a lot of people. 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:04.799 Yeah, I did that. 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:17.680 Like part of my job during COVID was that I had to, I was making uh little rubber components for the inside of those ventilators for a car company that they were using car parts to make those ventilators, and the whole business was celebrated, like, look what we're doing. 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:18.720 We're doing a great job. 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:21.039 And then, like, all of a sudden, like, we just kind of stopped. 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.680 And I was like, you know, a couple weeks later, I go, Hey, what's going on with this? 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.079 You know, we were porting numbers to the White House, it was cool. 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.880 They're like, Yeah, uh, they don't think that that's working. 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.000 And then right after that, we found out that ventilators were actually killing people. 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:33.920 I was like, Well, that's a that sucks. 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:34.559 That sucks. 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:35.599 I feel bad now. 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.160 I did such a great job, and more people died, you know. 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:38.960 Dang it. 00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:43.279 But you know, but but that that is it is a tough thing for them to get away from at this point. 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.839 So um, do you have any what what are some other topics? 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.039 Let's let's do a couple more topics that you're gonna do, kind of like you're gonna do on your podcast. 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:53.359 Yeah, because let's like I talked about the serious news, like that, you know, the elk tags. 00:30:53.519 --> 00:31:01.920 Now I'm gonna get into some of the other news I cover is stuff that I think is kind of like crazy and I want to say fun, but just like odd news of the day. 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:12.480 Like yesterday I posted a Russian story of a bear that tore into a cemetery grave, dragged a body off, and ate it. 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:14.319 Which is like insane. 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:15.680 I'm like, what? 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:20.720 Which caused me to dig down a rabbit hole, and that's not the first time it happened. 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:36.799 Like in 2019, it happened before where it a bear dug into a freshly you know dug grave, pulled up a body, ate it, and came back and attacked the mourners from this funeral in Russia, like in Siberia. 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:42.720 I'm like, these like big Kinchotkin brown bears are like we're robbing graves, and they ended up killing that brown bear. 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:43.839 That was in 2019. 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:49.200 I'm like the the brown bear came back and like attacked people that were going to do this funeral. 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:50.559 Did anybody get killed? 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:51.680 Or they just like shoot. 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:52.799 I mean, these are some

Russian people. 00:31:52.880 --> 00:32:05.119 I mean, I assume Vladimir Putin's gonna be riding the bear at some point, but yeah, I'm like, so like they ended up killing, they got they nobody was hurt during it, but they just like a bear attack, like like charged the funeral procession or whatever. 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:05.759 I don't know. 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:10.400 But like, like that's an like an insane wildlife story. 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:23.119 So it's like cover stuff like that just because I find it interesting, kind of odd, and my sense of humor is kind of you know warped by the my 20 years in the military. 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.559 Yeah, that I find it just like strange and interesting. 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:34.960 So I'm I'm gonna report on that stuff too, just to kind of I wouldn't say lighten it up, but just kind of make it a little bit non-serious, and I find it interesting. 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:36.640 So I'll report on that stuff too. 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:45.279 So I kind of find that kind of it's a little all over the place, and that that's what a lot of people like about it, is that you know, and and I do this to a certain extent on on Rack Junkies as well. 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:51.680 And sometimes you'll you'll have a story and we'll do the same one, but it's you know, and you're gonna do the news side of it, I'm gonna do more of an opinion side of it. 00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:54.640 But you find some wild, crazy stuff like that online. 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:56.799 And honestly, we'll sit around talking. 00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:04.319 This is something people don't know, but me and you will sit around talking about some of these issues and some of these stories, just laughing, like trying to find the craziest thing. 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:12.240 And I think that's part of what makes us more fun because we're not as buttoned up and polished in as much of the industry as everybody else. 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:28.799 You know, there's always been a path in the hunting industry to making it, to where, you know, you had to go shoot some deer, you had to get on camera, then you got a pro staff, and then maybe if you got real good at it, you'd get some a couple of good videos, you'd get a TV show, and you'd have to go through this whole process of the industry. 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:48.640 There's a lot of topics that were off that they're, you know, I mean, there's even when you look at the content creators in the hunting space now, they like I'll cover viral topics about stuff about Montana Corner Crossing or you know, all of these NGOs and their grants, and like I'm breaking these news stories in the hunting community. 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:50.640 Outdoor life doesn't write about them. 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:52.559 There's zero, like outdoor life. 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.920 I showed that the game agencies are trying to put non-binary people in the game agencies. 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:02.319 I showed it to Vivek Ramaswamy, I showed the whole thing, and he's looking at this going, that's crazy. 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:04.640 Outdoor life still doesn't write on it. 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:06.000 Why, why don't they cover? 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.639 We're literally breaking stories, and outdoor life is ignoring all of it. 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:11.519 Why? 00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:18.639 Because it's controversial, it needs to be talked about, it's controversial, and they have sponsors, and the sponsors stop it. 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:20.559 I have no sponsors, you have no sponsors. 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:30.800 Sometimes I think I'm stupid because there's there's a lot of money in sponsorships, especially when you get as big as we have, but but they aren't covering those things, and that's what scares me out of having sponsorships. 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:31.360 What do you think? 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.639 Because we haven't actually talked about this ever. 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:32.960 Oh, yeah. 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:40.320 What do you think about the fact that the the outdoor life and those other writers aren't covering any of this stuff that we're exposing? 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:57.280 Oh, I I look at them and uh I look at I've seen a lot of the way they they write, and I think a lot of them go to they're either centerist writers or they lean to the left side of the aisle. 00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:04.159 So they're not gonna be covering, you know, anything that's right of center, especially out. 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:05.920 That's how that's outdoor life in particular. 00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.719 Well, a lot of they they were in New York City, now they're in Montana, but I and I've had a lot of people tell me that. 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:19.039 I just it really kind of it just blows me away that I know this is when we write these posts, and and let's let's use Montana Outfitters and Guides Associations. 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:30.880 I showed their 990 tax forms, I'm showing, you know, I obviously have a big problem with them and how they're allocating more tags to out-of-state hunters and how you know one of their guys, I I I did a story on one of their guys blocking off public land. 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.559 Like I do these stories, they're going crazy viral, my phone won't stop ringing. 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:36.880 It's the thing that everybody's talking about. 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:51.199 And if you're a writer and a reporter, the outdoor life not covering and not not one of these things, whether it's CWD or it's the the Montana stuff or it's the grants or any of it, they ignore all of it every time. 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.400 And I, for the life of me, can't figure out why they're not covering it. 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:59.199 But but I mean, like it's easy, it's it's it's the main thing being talked about in the hunting industry. 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.159 Like, as I'm writing about it, CWD, it's going crazy viral. 00:36:02.239 -->

00:36:03.599 Why aren't they covering it like this? 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.800 Is are they just not allowed to have opinions on there or what's going on? 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:08.559 That might actually be part of it too. 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:14.719 And also, um, I don't know if the outdoor world has had investigative journalism. 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:21.119 It's like that's almost like I don't know if I've ever seen outdoor investigative journalism. 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:43.119 Um, the closest we've gotten is Meat Eater, because I've seen a little bit of that, but it's never been into the game agencies, it's been a little bit into say the uh um like the animal rights NGOs or that side of it, like the opposition, but none of it into like our own side, so to speak. 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:50.719 It's like there really isn't any like outdoor hunting, fishing, investigative journalism. 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.559 It I don't think that's a thing, or until like we came along. 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:55.519 It might not be. 00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:02.800 It's like are we on the uh the forefront, the new frontier of this type of uh content? 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:04.400 It's possible, it's possible. 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:05.840 I think it, I think it probably is. 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:14.400 I just I I but why is no like there's a couple of like podcasters, like because I'll see the topics I write about come up on podcasts occasionally, and and that's fine, that's good. 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.559 Like I want people talking about this, obviously. 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.239 And you know, these people, a lot of these podcasts have had me on. 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:28.159 But I've I I I guess the other side of this, another aspect this I want to talk about is you know, I get contacted all the time. 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.960 Like people will be messaging me, like, hey gear, I'm talking about you on this podcast. 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:38.719 They won't they won't say your name, but they're talking about you, like, oh yeah, this outdoor writer that's got hundreds of millions of views on Facebook is da-da-da. 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.880 And then they're like, but they won't use my name. 00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:44.400 And you know, I've reached out to someone's being like, hey man, have me on, let's talk about it. 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:45.840 If you disagree with me, let's talk about it. 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:53.360 And it's generally when I'm uh exposing something with the game agencies, and it's generally people who worked for the game agencies. 00:37:53.920 --> 00:38:00.320 So I think that because of how the industry was set up for all of those years, everybody kind of thinks that's what you have to do. 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.000 And then let me here here's here's probably the question I should ask. 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:14.559 If you think that covering that is gonna cost you sponsorships, like what if if if like outdoor life is huge, they've got a bunch of writers. 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:29.280 If they started covering what I said about Montana or um, you know, or CWD, I don't think that Cabela's and Bass Pro are gonna say, hey, let's run some ads on your your page, because you know, it's like don't up, they're all getting rich, they're all making money. 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:33.840 The Pittman Roberts money is flowing to everybody in the industry, they're all getting rich off this and not doing anything. 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:39.119 But if they start exposing that, it costs people their money, which is how they pay their mortgages. 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:39.760 Oh, yeah. 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.880 And is that the reason that they're not covering it? 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.599 Uh I don't know. 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:57.039 But or you know, sometimes, you know, just being comfortable, you know, just doing the thing they've always done and not stepping outside of your box is you know easy. 00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:03.039 Yeah, well, I mean, sometimes some things aren't some things aren't always as complicated as they seem. 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.079 Like they're not covering it because they've never had to in the past. 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:13.760 Yeah, but they go when they they would we would break a story before, like of a big buck or oh yeah, something that you know kind of fits the the the industry narrative. 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:18.880 And they would they'll still to this day when we do that, you'll see them write the article the next day or two days later. 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:23.760 Oh yeah, but they've been doing that for you know, since you know, you know, Noah was on the ark. 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:25.840 You know, they've been doing that forever. 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:27.119 That's nothing new. 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:29.199 Everybody's been doing that. 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.280 So I don't know. 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:33.360 Listen, you know, that's that's easy. 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:38.559 That's that's you know, that's that's you know, that's what they've been always been doing. 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:40.960 So that fits inside their box already. 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.239 Yeah, but I just don't I think that the the industry's got a problem here. 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.000 And I I get messages all every day. 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:53.360 You see this, like the amount of messages that come through, and I mean you don't see all the texts and phone calls and emails necessarily, but it's and like my phone all the time. 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:55.039 Hey, I like what you're doing. 00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.719 I've been saying this for decades, and I'm glad somebody's actually willing to say it now. 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:07.519 And it's wildly popular with people because they people inherently know that they're being screwed over sometimes by game agencies, sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly. 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:15.519 You know,

they're they're being screwed over with their their tax dollars, with Pittman Roberts, you know, their access to public lands, and nobody really stands up for those things. 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:19.360 Public lands a little bit, but not really the way that I do. 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:21.519 Um, I just kind of do it differently. 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.920 But I I think I think that it's a sponsor. 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.719 My personal opinion, I know you're you're you're like you said the voice of reason. 00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.159 Oh, well, whatever, you know, I don't know what it is, you know, maybe it is this. 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:31.840 No, that I think it's money. 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:32.480 That's what I think. 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:33.519 I think it could be. 00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:35.360 I think it also could be other stuff, too. 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.239 Like, there's never one single answer for anything. 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:44.800 There's always multiple answers, there's always multiple things, and there's it's it's never nothing, no answer is ever simple. 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:49.760 Yeah, this is this is what makes it good that you're here because there's times where I'll start uh you know getting mad. 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:51.519 I'm like, you're not gonna believe what happened. 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:52.960 Like I'm like yelling at my phone. 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:53.840 I'm like, look at this. 00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:55.199 And I like pull up these grants. 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.320 So let me let me ask you, what's uh you you've seen a lot of that stuff. 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.280 You know, you've seen me when I've been blocked by somebody and it makes me irritated. 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:11.199 You've seen what's something that you've seen from rack junkies behind the scenes that people haven't seen because you have a unique perspective into this, and I don't know, we did not talk about this before coming on here, so I want to know what you have to say. 00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:17.519 Um I think I think what people would be surprised that you're not an angry person. 00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:32.800 Because I think that's what people think you are, you think you're mad and that you're like that you're you get mad and you get upset, and that you'd be so I think people would be surprised how think how much you think this is funny a lot. 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:44.320 Like you how much we laugh about you pull up stuff like this is hilarious, look at this stupid stuff, even though you do get upset about it, as how much we just like look at things, we're like, oh my gosh, this is so stupid. 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:49.199 This is so and we're laughing and goofing off and how much fun we have at doing this. 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:50.079 We do have fun. 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:54.400 I do have fun exposing people sometimes, and but that that let me let me interject one thing here. 00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:56.400 No, no,

let me let me let me finish this. 00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:25.360 Like, how much like I think people have this perception of how um grumpy and upset you are, and how um like how much of a like mean person you are, of like how um like they I think you get the perception that you're a disgruntled, angry old man or something, or be like this is like stupid game agency, and you're not not at all. 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:34.400 No, it's like if you if you actually the people that actually meet you in person, they're like, huh, he actually is a nice fun guy to hang out with. 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:39.039 This happened at the Vivake interview, yeah, and I'm not gonna say any names right now because we're working on some things. 00:42:39.440 --> 00:43:08.239 It's like it's because I see that the people that like interact with you online, and then when they meet you in person, they are actually kind of shocked that they have a perception of you online that doesn't match, and there's kind of a cognitive dissonance that happens between meet you in person, like, oh, this is not the image that I have. 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:11.840 Yeah, we've seen that, we saw that at some shows and at the Bivake interview. 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:27.599 The one I'm not gonna, like I said, we're we're working on some things here, but uh the one guy's like, Yeah, man, uh yeah, yeah, I've talked to these people that are involved in the game agencies, and you know, uh, you know, they're they're you're I told them like they think you're the most dangerous person on the internet for them. 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.480 And I told him, like, nah, he's actually kind of a nice guy, he'll listen to you. 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:31.679 He just wants to talk. 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:34.079 Yeah, he's like, Yeah, he's actually reasonable. 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:34.480 Yeah. 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:36.000 Um, that is part of the problem. 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.159 I actually, you know, this this is this is a good point. 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:43.599 I think that people don't realize that I want to have these discussions. 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:44.000 Oh, yeah. 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:51.519 And when I say something bad and I say, hey, look, this is the evidence that I just pulled, they get mad that I'm not having these discussions behind the scenes. 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:57.360 Because when you have discussions behind the scenes with anything that involves the game agencies, it's it's inherently political. 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.360 And politicians, when they say, hey, you What let's have a sit-down talk. 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:02.000 Let's go talk. 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:11.679 Anybody that's met with politicians at really any level, but especially as you get higher up, knows, and especially in the bureaucracy, like the game agencies, where they don't have to answer to voters. 00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.719 It's just a really nice way of blowing you off. 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:16.079 And I'm

not going to be blown off. 00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:22.400 Like I'm a stubborn person, and I'll come in and I'm going to say, I want to say something when you say I don't want to be blown off. 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:25.840 Nice. 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:31.760 Uh, but they but these game agencies, they like I would have any one of them on. 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.239 Like, I and in fact, that's part of what I'm gonna do with this podcast. 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:39.440 I know Daryl Radijak, people are just gonna hear me say that name, that follow me on Facebook and they've seen his comments. 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:40.480 I leave his comments. 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:41.840 I let him be a guest writer. 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:47.199 People got so mad at me when I did that because he said something about Mount Mount Lions and they didn't like it. 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.840 And but but like I want the people who disagree with me, those are the interesting conversations. 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.119 I can't be more right unless you show me where I'm wrong. 00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:02.800 And I want to use this podcast in a more long-form, nuanced conversation way to push those conversations. 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:05.039 Like, hey, look, this is what we're seeing that's a problem. 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.920 If you don't think it's a problem, come on here and tell me why it's not. 00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:12.079 Like, like, show me the numbers, show me the data, show me the scientific research on CWD. 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.840 Let's talk, let's hold it right in front of these cameras and say, look, these are the numbers. 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:22.320 Like, but but and I won't say nobody because we're we're getting people on, but a lot of times they I don't know. 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:28.400 Do you think that they just don't believe that I want to do that or that I'm gonna come across in a way that's um not fair to them? 00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:30.559 Or do you think that it's something else? 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:47.679 Uh like I said, it's there's there's never one reason because I think a lot of people see that you have strong opinions and having strong opinions is very um what's how do I want to say this? 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:51.119 Um hold on uh dang brain injury. 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:57.519 Uh oh yeah, for everybody who doesn't know, I've uh I had a TBI in Iraq and sometimes I have brain injuries, uh brain injury issues. 00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.239 Um anytime I forget something, I just blame it on his at brain injury. 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.239 I gaslight my own business partner. 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.239 Um the the purple heart vet, I'm just gaslighting him on here. 00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.000 I know that sounds bad, but yeah. 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:09.199 Well, I guess it is bad. 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:22.159 But anyways, uh I think when you have strong opinions, it's hard to come at somebody with strong opinions with your own

opinions because you are forced to defend your own opinions. 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:32.400 And if you have to know your opinions extremely, extremely extremely well, and there's a lot of people who haven't thought through their own opinions. 00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:39.039 You may have your opinions, but have you actually thought out a way to defend your own opinions? 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.880 Have you considered the other side and like steel manned your own thoughts and opinions? 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:44.000 And most people have not. 00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.559 It's it is hard to steel man your own opinions. 00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:54.000 It's like I have my own opinions, I haven't steel manned every single one of my opinions out because that takes a lot, a lot of time. 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:55.760 A lot of reading, a lot of research. 00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:56.800 We do that a lot of times. 00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.119 We're sitting around here most of our day, people don't realize this. 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:07.519 Most of our day is reading research, reading government grants, looking things up, and then going through the process of learning from different perspectives before we write. 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.800 And I think that's what can it and listen, I'm I don't agree with all of my opinions from three months ago. 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:23.840 And I think that having people on here that disagree with me is what will make for not just better content, but better understandings of how we should make regulations, what is fair and unfair. 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:37.280 And I think that it'll in the long run, if game agency officials are willing to come on or or uh uh commissioners are willing to come on, I think that it would actually benefit them in the long run, whether I change their mind or they change my mind, at least people will see where we're both coming from. 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:48.400 Yeah, and it actually would make us better too, is being able to put out better, stronger content because we'll have actually be able to understand where the game commissioners and the game agencies are coming from. 00:47:48.559 --> 00:48:01.119 Because, like you said, we said at the beginning of this podcast, a game agency is a difficult job because they're balancing the opinions of all the hunters across the entire state. 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.599 When, you know, just look at the Facebook comments, you know, there's a whole lot of dumb ones. 00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:07.119 There's a whole lot of good ones, too. 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:15.840 But, you know, it's like there's a lot of opinions, and everybody's looking out for themselves, trying to get the their best hunt, you know, and and they think that's fair. 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:16.320 Yeah. 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.079 And, you know, they're trying to balance it. 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:23.119 And it's like, you know, when everybody has an opinion, it's like, this is how I think we

should do it. 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.760 And the next guy over is like, I this is how I think we should do it. 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:37.840 And a lot of times it's an amalgamation of everything, of you know, okay, this is the best, you know, this is the best, you know, the best regulations we're trying to put forward, and it's not gonna make everybody happy. 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:51.280 And you know, they have a tough job, and you know, as some, you know, the way, you know, as you know, putting up this podcast on our Facebook page, is you know, I guess I look at it as part of our job, they're trying to keep them accountable. 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:51.760 Yeah. 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.920 And, you know, and some of that is, you know, using the bully pulpit. 00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:57.199 Yeah, well, that is, yeah. 00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:01.280 And in the hunting industry, it's really kind of fallen on us recently, yeah, with the news. 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:14.400 But they they may not like that a bit, but you know, that's the way the world works now, is like, hey, you know, we're gonna yell at you and browbeat you a little bit, but it's you know, I would say it's a little bit out of love the way parents beat their kids a little bit. 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:16.480 Yeah, you know, you can't beat them now. 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:18.079 You know that Jason Sumner's? 00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:21.920 Um, I'm spanking you like my child because I love you. 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:23.760 Yeah, Jason Sumner's and me. 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:24.400 We love each other. 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.079 Yeah, but it's you know, because it's not because we it's because we want hunting to be better. 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:40.239 We want this to be passed on to our kids to future generations, and we want, you know, a strong, healthy deer herd, strong, healthy elk herd, even though I've never hunted elk in my life. 00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:42.159 I want to, you know. 00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:44.239 It's because we want it to be better. 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.039 It's not because we want hunting to die. 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:48.400 That's not why we're doing this. 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:54.719 And when we talked to Jason Sumner's, he said he wants deer hunting to go on and you know, in perpetuity. 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:56.159 And I on a hundred percent believe believe. 00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:58.960 We're all on the same page on the same team. 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:04.000 You know, we may be, I don't know, it's a good uh analogy for that. 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:11.519 You know, we may be, you know, seeing things differently and competing differently and you know, looking and seeing things differently. 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:13.199 We have the same goal. 00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:13.760 Yeah. 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:19.440 I think people, I think people would be a little most of the people are are disenfranchised by the game agencies. 00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:20.559 We've seen that as a huge problem. 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:27.679 But even the people who disagree with me, like I I do come at this from a perspective of I want hunting for my kids and my grandkids. 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.639 You know, I'm nowhere close, neither of us are close to having grandkids yet. 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.880 You know, 15, 16-year-olds are our oldest, but I have a 26-year-old step. 00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:36.079 Oh, yeah, that's true. 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:37.119 Forgot about her. 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:38.079 Sorry for her. 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.159 But but you know, we're we're not having kids right now. 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:46.239 We don't have grandkids, but I I do want to, I'm I'm deck over a decade, 15, 20 years from hunting with my grandkids. 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:47.920 I wanted to be around for that too. 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:55.679 So even when the CWD crowd, um, which again, this is a 90-10 issue, 90% of people on CWD are like, this is crap. 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.559 But the the 10%, like we do have the same goal. 00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:00.400 And I actually don't question their motives. 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:05.440 Even the people like Daryl that I I talked about, or the Mark Krug guy that that's always commenting, never met him. 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:06.639 I think he's a Missouri guy. 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:11.599 He uh uh, you know, we do actually have the same goal, and I don't question their intentions. 00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:15.119 And that's kind of why I want to have more of those types of people on that just disagree. 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:20.639 I think it makes um it will be a fun discussion, and hopefully we can both learn from each other uh moving forward. 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:29.599 Yeah, it's like that's what I say, goals, you know, the higher goals wanting wanting the same thing, and you're just coming back from different perspectives. 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:33.440 And that I think that's where we uh, you know, where we can come together. 00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:34.880 It's like, hey, we have the higher goal. 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:38.800 You're in, I think when we talked to um what's his name? 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:41.760 The guy from Pope and Young that we met at the SEI conference. 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:43.840 Oh my goodness, you're gonna put me on the spot. 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:44.320 Yes. 00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:46.239 Justin uh Springs. 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:47.280 Justin Springs. 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:49.519 We had such a great conversation with him. 00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:55.039 Um, we had different perspectives with him, and he was we had he was such a great guy to talk to. 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.400 And we had dinner with him, great conversations with him. 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:03.199 We came from different perspectives, but he changed my mind on uh crossbows. 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:03.920 Oh, yeah. 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.559 Because I was always I'm I was

always like pro-crossbow. 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:11.280 Like I'm this year, my goal is to kill a deer with a crossbow or my first one with a compound, and then my recurve. 00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:13.039 I because I typically hunt with a recurve or crossbow. 00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.840 So the heat of a point, I don't know what you would call that. 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:22.000 It's like the uh hitting for the cycle, the uh yeah, well, I'll I'll come up with a name for it. 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:23.280 I'm gonna name it after myself. 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:25.119 Some type, some type of cycle. 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:33.920 But he uh so but one of the things he said was I I was saying, hey, listen, the crossbow, like stop trying to ban crossbows, nobody cares, stop doing it. 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:42.800 And he pointed out, he goes, Well, yeah, in Ohio, where you have four months of bow season, and you're trying your goal is to get more people out hunting. 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.400 Yeah, let them use crossbows. 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.840 He's like, now you go out west in areas where it's like, hey, there's limited tags. 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:52.480 This he said, This was his perspective, and it really changed even how I look at other things. 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:56.239 He said, What is the problem you're solving for? 00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.559 In Ohio, it's getting more people into hunting. 00:52:58.639 --> 00:52:59.920 Out west, it's more opportunity. 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:04.480 More opportunity means you need to restrict the uh the equipment. 00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.840 More people into hunting means you need to have less restrictions on the equipment. 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.159 And I started thinking of things in those terms. 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:13.280 What problem in the hunting community are we solving for? 00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.000 And and I really appreciated his perspective on that. 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:17.840 Yeah, and I think that's 100% true. 00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:24.719 With and in in that line, maybe we should take a look at some of these compound bows that they're using. 00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:34.000 Because I just did a story not too long ago about you know, a guy you just talked to, spooked span, shooting a mule deer at like 90 yards with a compound. 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:35.840 That's insane. 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:36.480 That's insane. 00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:37.039 That's a great show. 00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:38.079 I'm gonna ask him about that. 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:39.119 I'll I I'll call it. 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:48.159 And I was gonna add in there, you know, I saw right before I did that, I was gonna write on another guy the same thing who shot an elk at 100 yards with a compound. 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.519 That was just something I pulled out of a New Mexico hunting group. 00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.079 So, but Spook's Ban, you know, has a bigger name. 00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:57.119 So I'm like, I was like, I'll use that one instead as the example. 00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:05.360 So it's like guys are shooting animals at 90 to 100 yards with compound bows. 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:15.840 You know, people are shooting, and you know, I also posted about a uh a 13-year-old goal girl who killed a really nice buck at 70 yards with a cot with a crossbow. 00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:21.360 It's like that, you know, but you know, it's bow season. 00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:27.039 I'm shooting, you know, I'll baby shoot a deer maybe mean 30, 40 yards with a crossbow. 00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:28.159 Yeah, the other thing. 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:30.239 So it's like what are we doing now? 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:35.039 Yeah, so that's that that goes into the whole, you know, what is archery season now? 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:36.239 What does it turn into? 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:36.800 Right? 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:38.320 That's that may be a discussion. 00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:39.440 That's a whole nother podcast. 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:40.480 That's a whole nother podcast. 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:41.280 That's something people are gonna do. 00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.159 Maybe we should wait for the wait for the Hunt R podcast to cover that. 00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:46.320 Yes, yeah, yeah. 00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:47.840 We should we should talk with those guys. 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:50.400 Yeah, we'll we'll we'll debate crossbows with those guys. 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:56.480 But uh no, anyways, hey, look, the Sportsman Party podcast, we're gonna be starting to record it in this studio. 00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:59.360 We're getting more stuff for the backgrounds, we're getting LED lights. 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:03.760 This studio is not quite done, but we wanted to keep it going uh because the guests are getting so big. 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.079 We're gonna get we're gonna be cups, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:13.119 We'll get coffee cups, and then we'll um we're going to be doing some traveling, uh, Tennessee, uh, Virginia. 00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:14.960 We're gonna be traveling around to do podcasts as well. 00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.119 Because I want to do as many live as possible. 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:21.760 You know, if if you're a podcaster, you're uh, you know, everybody's North Star, Mr. 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.480 Joe Rogan, he's always saying, you know, live is better. 00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:25.280 And I agree. 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:28.239 We've done uh Zoom podcasts and in-person. 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:29.360 In person's way better. 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:34.480 So we're gonna really put a lot of effort into traveling, actually doing podcasts with people. 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:43.199 We have a bunch of big names from the hunting industry, from the political world, from the gun world, and with I mean, I've got probably 20 people yesterday that asked to come on. 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:47.119 So we're gonna try and keep it as interesting as possible, do as much in-person as possible. 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:52.079 And your podcast, the Sportsman Party, is coming out this week or next week. 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:52.800 What is today? 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:53.760 Today's Friday. 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:54.480 Yes, next week. 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:56.880 Yes, it'll be coming out first episode next week. 00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:02.639 I think the plan is probably uh Tuesday or Wednesdays, and um, we're getting ready to record it here in a second. 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.079 Um, and we will hopefully you'll tune into the Sportsman Party podcast. 00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:09.440 And I hate doing this, but like and subscribe, it really does help. 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:10.639 So thank you, everybody. 00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:16.239 And we will follow, follow Aaron on on uh Facebook and anywhere else you can find him soon. 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:17.360 So thanks everybody. 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:18.000 Thank you.