บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Staying Grounded When Life is Unpredictable: An 8-7-2-3 Kolbe A Index Result Unpacked | Private Sessions

a lot of that's your initiation and Fact Finder. 00:05:05.586 --> 00:05:09.096 So we talked about your chaos controller part. 00:05:09.096 --> 00:05:10.976 We also talked about your systems and structure. 00:05:10.976 --> 00:05:17.156 But Fact Finder is the research, the information part of you, and you lead with that. 00:05:17.156 --> 00:05:27.718 And that's why when I heard you talk about your process for, going through the job search. And you started with, "I research all these people. 00:05:27.718 --> 00:05:33.478 I wanna know about them before I get in front of them." I'm really glad you're doing that because you need to. 00:05:33.478 --> 00:05:51.557 I think a lot of times when I see people procrastinating, it's almost because, well, I won't… I'm not gonna make that phone call or send that email out yet because I don't have enough information, and then they just don't get the information because it might be hard to come by, or just whatever. 00:05:51.557 --> 00:06:10.966 It's just an easy way to go, "Yeah, I would email them, but I don't know all the things I need to know." But you're doing that, so I love that you were already tapping into that strength in Fact Finder where you do need to get information and details and facts and put things in historical perspective, which is what you're talking about with Kolbe. 00:06:10.966 --> 00:06:17.406 Part of me wants to say, "Ah, just let it go. Don't worry about it." But that would be silly for me to say because that's you. 00:06:17.406 --> 00:06:21.408 You need to find out more and get more information. 00:06:21.408 --> 00:06:49.786 Another thing I'd say with you and your job search and where you're going, and this is advice that is commonly given, but for a lot of people it doesn't work, and for you it's to have a pattern to your day and your week because with your seven in Follow Thru, that initiating strength to create and live within systems and structure, without a job to provide some of that stuff, sometimes it's like, well, it really doesn't matter. 00:06:49.786 --> 00:06:52.807 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I can get up. 00:06:52.807 --> 00:06:58.047 You don't have something scheduled, it's like, well, I can get up whenever and maybe I'll do some of the… No. 00:06:58.047 --> 00:07:02.937 For you, it'd work much better if it's like, nope, whether I need to or not, I'm 00:07:02.947 --> 00:07:07.867 00, and I have my coffee, and then by 8:30 I'm doing my research, 00:07:07.877 --> 00:07:09.757 30 I'm sending out emails. 00:07:09.757 --> 00:07:14.107 And whatever the steps are, have them in a schedule. 00:07:14.107 --> 00:07:15.637 Put them on your calendar. 00:07:15.637 --> 00:07:20.115 Hold yourself to it and I'm very much different than you. 00:07:20.115 --> 00:07:32.254 That would be really stressful for me to… I mean, I'm more of a, "Hey, I'll set targets." Like, I've gotta email 10 people, but it has to be by the end of the day, and I don't have a structure within that. 00:07:32.254 -->

00:07:34.654 Whereas for you, you can set the same goal. 00:07:34.654 --> 00:07:42.706 It's like, I need to send out 10 emails, but you also need the system, the plan, the structure of when you're gonna do it, and the sequence. 00:07:42.706 --> 00:07:50.345 Like, first I'm gonna do research, then I'm gonna do drafts, then I'm gonna, do my second draft, then I'm gonna send them out, whatever it is. 00:07:50.345 --> 00:07:57.375 But, do you find yourself doing that already or is that, would that be new if you created that? 00:07:57.375 --> 00:08:01.545 No, it's kind of like, yeah, peel back the curtain into my life. 00:08:01.545 --> 00:08:03.875 I am very structured. 00:08:03.875 --> 00:08:06.086 I start, the alarms are set. 00:08:06.086 --> 00:08:12.074 I have in my mindset a workday, the things to get done. 00:08:12.074 --> 00:08:18.255 And even in the job search, been able to obtain contract work. 00:08:18.255 --> 00:08:21.706 And it's funny that I'm a loss control independent contractor. 00:08:21.706 --> 00:08:40.615 So I am going out in the field still and making sure that I am still very present and available, not just for full-time work, counseling, coaching, and I have to have that in order for me to feel like I have had fulfillment out of my day. 00:08:40.615 --> 00:09:09.995 But at the same time, I am… It's nice that you say that I can also share the 10 emails that I need to get off my, on my low-hanging fruit or checklist, and I will set those goals if I am in a space where I am overwhelmed, where I feel like I've put too much on my plate or… So I do use those to stabilize myself when things start to get what I would feel to be hectic or busy. 00:09:09.995 --> 00:09:12.754 But really, it's just me building up my plan. 00:09:13.335 --> 00:09:21.274 Another thing I wanted to ask you about with your strength and what we call Implementor, which is that, it's the yellow line that you looked at in your result. 00:09:21.274 --> 00:09:29.384 Your strength, you're a three in Implementor, and Implementor is all about how we deal with the tangible, tactile, three-dimensional world. 00:09:29.384 --> 00:09:41.605 So for you, you imagine, you envision, you build things conceptually more than you build them physically, but you talked about with the contract work you're doing, being out in the field. 00:09:41.605 --> 00:09:43.725 What is that like when you're out in the field? 00:09:44.801 --> 00:09:55.361 Well, I'll back it up a little bit into like the earlier parts of my career, and my career has always been very kinesthetic, like I'm very hands-on. 00:09:55.361 --> 00:10:05.341 I actually started my career in theme parks and water parks, and I was a water park director and an operator for quite a bit of time, and all throughout the country. 00:10:05.341 --> 00:10:11.270 I've spent time in Chicago and Philadelphia and Cleveland and, and now out here in California. 00:10:11.270 --> 00:10:15.461 But I've touched on a lot of different hospitality spaces. 00:10:15.461 --> 00:10:26.072 But hospitality in general, you're guest-facing, you are always having some type of interaction with stakeholders, whether they're internal or external. 00:10:26.072 --> 00:10:28.640 And so you're always kind of like on stage. 00:10:28.640 --> 00:10:43.821 And so I always have to make sure that I have this vision in a, in a way that I have to look 10 steps ahead because we always wanna make sure that we're going beyond some type of expectation for our team members or for our guests. 00:10:43.821 --> 00:10:50.793 And I think that just means that I have to get creative. 00:10:50.793 --> 00:11:06.323 And I think sometimes I can be black and white maybe in my approach, but I think Implementor here does highlight the fact that I can get… I like to be proactive, and I like to make sure that I am able to bring the big picture together. 00:11:07.173 --> 00:11:17.523 Yeah, I mean, for you, and again, the Implementor, the way we use the word, I mean, Implementor can mean different things, so it's not implement as in how you carry things out. 00:11:17.523 --> 00:11:34.113 But it's really dealing with the physical parts of building, constructing, versus, as I was saying with you, it's less about physically building and constructing and more about, describing, envisioning, imagining. 00:11:34.113 --> 00:11:46.113 And with your eight in Fact Finder, I'd say with the combination when you're doing stuff, in a physical environment, 'cause that's… I mean, we all, live and operate in the real physical environment. 00:11:46.113 --> 00:11:59.793 But for you, it's almost more about the data and information that you collect in that environment rather than the, "Oh, I'm gonna, physically change stuff." And if that was part of your job, it was part of your job. 00:11:59.793 --> 00:12:07.503 It's not that your Kolbe result means you can't do those things if you're called on to do it, but it's less natural for you. 00:12:07.503 --> 00:12:11.312 What's more natural for you is, "Oh, let me figure this out. 00:12:11.312 --> 00:12:21.462 Let me gather the information." And if it's, if it is data, like, "Oh, let me, let me see how many times I can… Can I run people through this faster? 00:12:21.462 --> 00:12:24.783 Can I give them a better experience? 00:12:24.783 --> 00:12:37.192 And let's measure that by a customer service survey rather than just, getting kind of an overall sense of it." I… That's where you would really shine, is being able to get that information. 00:12:37.953 --> 00:12:38.433 Yeah. 00:12:38.433 --> 00:12:41.702 I definitely, once you highlight that, I do. 00:12:41.702 --> 00:12:58.423 I gather a lot of information, and I author standard operating procedures for a whole multitude of things, and I have to be able to communicate clearly in that writing so that my stakeholders can then have the same vision and be able to execute it. 00:12:58.423 --> 00:13:00.533 So I think, yeah, you're very right. 00:13:00.533 -->

00:13:08.403 I'm there authoring the procedures and then being able to share that with them, and they take it from there. 00:13:08.724 --> 00:13:16.043 So thinking about other than just work stuff, how do you see your Kolbe results play out in your personal life? 00:13:16.254 --> 00:13:20.734 I'm a professional swimmer, so, eh, my alarm 00:13:20.734 --> 00:13:29.592 00 AM every single day to go out and ocean swim or pool swim, and I swim about 18 miles a week. 00:13:29.592 --> 00:13:32.852 So I can see that my day is always planned. 00:13:32.852 --> 00:13:35.302 It doesn't matter if it's a weekday or a weekend. 00:13:35.302 --> 00:13:38.576 I have a start and a finish. 00:13:38.576 --> 00:13:47.265 So yeah, I think my Kolbe report even really does reflect my personal life too, is, I stick to what I'm comfortable with. 00:13:47.265 --> 00:13:55.875 I'm not afraid to introduce new things, but I definitely start with point A and end at point B. 00:13:56.635 --> 00:14:02.164 How do you collect data to track your swimming and progress you're making and all that kind of stuff? 00:14:02.225 --> 00:14:15.048 There's plenty of technology nowadays that we can utilize, but I'm wearing some gear that it's tracking all of my health metrics along the way, along the swim. 00:14:15.048 --> 00:14:18.778 I'm wearing all sorts of, yeah, all sorts of gear. 00:14:18.778 --> 00:14:31.606 I have a Garmin that'll take my GPS location across the shoreline and, it'll track my distance and speed and also, the currents and all of that fun stuff. 00:14:31.606 --> 00:14:33.427 So it gives me plenty of data. 00:14:33.427 --> 00:14:40.128 I even split it up by pool and ocean, so I dive deep. 00:14:41.697 --> 00:14:46.346 Yeah, my guess would be you get teased for being obsessive about analyzing all the data. 00:14:47.206 --> 00:14:47.657 Yeah. 00:14:47.657 --> 00:14:58.988 I'd say quite a bit of people around me, they'll ask me, "What'd you do today?" And, "What was your time last week?" And they find interest in it, too, so it's always fun to share. 00:14:59.836 --> 00:15:07.417 Well, I love that you have those people who are genuinely interested and ask, so you get to share the information. 00:15:07.417 --> 00:15:12.628 There are definitely times when people ask and they don't necessarily want to hear the answer, but- 00:15:13.327 --> 00:15:13.697 Yep. 00:15:13.697 --> 00:15:15.366 Yeah, yeah. 00:15:15.418 --> 00:15:15.817 Yeah. 00:15:15.817 --> 00:15:21.826 Another thing that I've seen is with technology, so I don't know that I'd mentioned it, but I'm also an eight in Fact Finder. 00:15:21.826 --> 00:15:29.086 Technology that has come along to give us way more access to way more data is just, it's fun. 00:15:29.086 --> 00:15:40.876 Like, for people like me and you, where we really gravitate toward getting all the information, one thing that I will kind of, it's a little bit of a caution, but it, you can take it too far. 00:15:40.876 --> 00:15:49.767 And I'm sure you know that, and there may have been times when you have taken it too far, but your too far is a lot further than it would be for most people. 00:15:49.767 --> 00:15:53.687 So if anything, there are times where other people are gonna tell you, "You know what? 00:15:53.687 --> 00:15:55.807 Just let some of that go. 00:15:55.807 --> 00:16:22.647 Just get in the pool and swim for the love of it." And what they may not be getting is you have a love for the stats and the data and the information, even if you're not using it to, "Oh, I've gotta get 2% better." I mean, maybe it's not always competitive for you, and if it is, that's fine too, but for people who are on the other end of the spectrum in terms of gathering and sharing information, for them it would be like a necessary evil. 00:16:22.647 --> 00:16:31.476 Like, "Oh, okay, we've gotta get all this information and track it because, it'll help me learn or get better, but I wish I didn't have to." With you, it's almost the opposite. 00:16:31.476 --> 00:16:35.207 With you, it's, "No, I wanna look at this stuff even if it doesn't make me better. 00:16:35.207 --> 00:16:46.798 It's just something that I do and connect with." So sometimes you might need to put those voices out of your head if people are telling you to just let that go, don't bother tracking it. 00:16:46.798 --> 00:16:49.268 Like, no, go ahead, track it. 00:16:49.268 --> 00:17:00.311 Even if you don't swim professionally or competitively anymore, I'd still say for you, track those fun swims too, because you'll get something out of that. 00:17:00.561 --> 00:17:00.881 Yeah. 00:17:00.881 --> 00:17:02.261 Absolutely. 00:17:02.261 --> 00:17:13.800 I would say that there is shared caution at times when I feel like it's a necessity, and they may not see it the same way. 00:17:13.800 --> 00:17:26.280 But it's, it almost doesn't feel complete unless I have taken in all of the information and record it, and it almost feels like, you know, I didn't do it at all if not so. 00:17:26.701 --> 00:17:40.261 So a couple of those things that I'd encourage you to listen to politely, but then kind of most of the time ignore, are things like, "Oh, don't overthink it, Cam." Like, no, you think things through thoroughly. 00:17:40.261 --> 00:17:43.540 Now, look, again, I said ignore it most of the time. 00:17:43.540 --> 00:17:51.321 I know there are times when, yes, it can become a bad loop where you really, truly overthink it. 00:17:51.321 --> 00:17:55.971 But in terms of looking at information and doing research, just, keep doing that. 00:17:55.971 --> 00:17:58.570 Another one is just go for it. 00:17:58.570 --> 00:18:00.070 Just put yourself out there. 00:18:00.070 --> 00:18:12.441 Like, especially you think about job searches, and you're, you were saying, yes, you have to do things that are uncomfortable because you've, you gotta put yourself in front of people who you haven't met, and if that's uncomfortable, that's uncomfortable. 00:18:12.441 --> 00:18:20.442

But wherever you can, make it a system and a structure, and find the continuity in things. 00:18:20.442 --> 00:18:30.161 So with your Quick Start, that chaos controller where your strength is to find what's working and stick with it, keep, allow yourself to do that. 00:18:30.161 --> 00:18:35.891 Yes, you're putting yourself out there in novel situations and with new people, but find the connections. 00:18:35.891 --> 00:18:40.631 And that's where, as I said, if you've got the plan, and it sounds like you do, and a schedule, stick with all that. 00:18:40.631 --> 00:18:44.321 Another thing is deadlines. 00:18:44.321 --> 00:18:54.775 With your Quick Start and your Follow Thru, deadlines can be a good motivator for almost anybody, but there are subtle differences. 00:18:54.775 --> 00:18:59.695 So for you, it's not like a, you're coming right up to a hard deadline. 00:18:59.695 --> 00:19:10.125 It's definitely not that you don't get motivated and aren't most productive when it's just kind of an all of a sudden, oh, end of the day, you have to do this, Cam. 00:19:10.125 --> 00:19:20.474 Other people might try to motivate you like that where they just drop something on you thinking, "Oh, it's last minute. He's just gonna have to do a bunch of stuff." That's not as helpful for you. 00:19:20.474 --> 00:19:23.935 So when you can control it, give yourself more time. 00:19:23.935 --> 00:19:33.765 Yeah, it's a hard deadline, but it's three days from now, or the end of the week, or whatever that is, so you've got time to work through the process and get to it, and get all that stuff done. 00:19:33.765 --> 00:19:43.484 So yes, a deadline is still good, but for you it's that planned, systematic, structured deadline, not just an all of a sudden like, ah. 00:19:43.484 --> 00:19:46.474 Like a… And I guess I'll contrast that. 00:19:46.474 --> 00:20:01.664 What I'd do for myself sometimes is I'll just come up with something like, "Okay, David, you can't take a break until you've done these seven things." And it might take a long time, and that means I'm not, I can't go to the bathroom, I can't eat, I can't, whatever. 00:20:01.664 --> 00:20:06.474 And for me, that's motivating because it is last minute and I just came up with it. 00:20:06.474 --> 00:20:09.125 But for you, that's not gonna work as much. 00:20:09.125 --> 00:20:10.355 It's that planned out one. 00:20:10.355 --> 00:20:14.085 What other reactions did you have when you read your Kolbe result? 00:20:14.305 --> 00:20:21.825 I went through a few of your other viewers, or excuse me, your other guests. 00:20:21.825 --> 00:20:37.984 And I was really trying to, I guess, understand my difference compared to most of my scores compared to some of your previous guests seem to be a little bit more rigid. 00:20:37.984 --> 00:20:45.830 And so I guess I was really curious. 00:20:45.830 --> 00:20:47.201 Again, I think it goes back to what I initially said. 00:20:47.201 --> 00:20:56.050 I just, I don't know what I put down that would have made me be someone who is systematic. 00:20:56.050 --> 00:20:57.901 But I know that about myself. 00:20:57.901 --> 00:21:10.291 So I guess I felt like, a lot of what I was reading felt true, but then I also just was questioning why mine was so different compared to some of your previous guests. 00:21:10.800 --> 00:21:11.060 Yeah. 00:21:11.060 --> 00:21:18.182 Well, so with your eight in Fact Finder, it's not surprising to me that you would kinda question it and think about where did it come from. 00:21:18.182 --> 00:21:25.621 That's… I mean, a lot of people do that, but it's most prominent among people who are initiating Fact Finders, like you and me. 00:21:25.621 --> 00:21:34.310 Well, it's like, "Oh, I'm gonna ask some questions. I'd like to know this. And I'd like to do a little research on why that's the case." So, not surprising to me. 00:21:34.310 --> 00:21:53.310 In terms of how you answered, it's basically when you are asked if free to be yourself, you more often choose the answers that align with getting information or being able to construct a system rather than being open-ended and adaptable. 00:21:53.310 --> 00:22:01.152 So you drive things to closure rather than that. If you start five projects, actually you don't usually start five projects. 00:22:01.152 --> 00:22:16.661 What would be typical for you, again, when you control stuff, is, "I'm gonna start a project. I'm gonna see that project to the end, and then I'm gonna start my next project and I'll see that one to the end." I mean, we all live lives where we don't have that luxury of literally just doing one thing at a time. 00:22:16.661 --> 00:22:21.451 There's always multiple events and demands on our time. 00:22:21.451 --> 00:22:23.291 But you're more like that. 00:22:23.291 --> 00:22:27.000 But you definitely bring things to closure when you start it. 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:40.673 So for example, like with swim training, if you set a goal for, you know, "I'm gonna do a particular thing." Maybe it's a particular swim that you're gonna do, like an ocean swim. 00:22:40.673 --> 00:22:51.963 You need to do that ocean swim, and if something comes up and, oh, you know, I got an injury so I couldn't compete that particular swim this year, you're gonna do it next year. 00:22:51.963 --> 00:22:53.284 Like, I just know you. 00:22:53.284 --> 00:22:55.813 You're gonna have it on your calendar and be like, "You know what? 00:22:55.813 --> 00:22:59.253 It's really bugging me that I got injured and I couldn't do it last year. 00:22:59.253 --> 00:23:07.502 I'm gonna do it this year." And that's even if it's not a professional requirement, like a sponsor expects me to do it or something. 00:23:07.502 --> 00:23:10.232 It's just in your head that I've gotta do that. 00:23:10.232 --> 00:23:19.252 So when you are answering the questions, you will pick the responses that align more with that, whereas other people, they just don't do that. 00:23:19.252 --> 00:23:24.093 They operate in a different way, so they answer the question, the opposite way from you. 00:23:24.854 --> 00:23:25.183 No. 00:23:25.183 --> 00:23:36.453 I liked how you were able to specify it's the free to be me type questions where I close myself off to one option. 00:23:36.932 --> 00:23:51.482 Well, and it's always important to remember you aren't always free to be yourself, so that's why when we ask the questions, that's the framework is always when you do have the freedom to be yourself, or think about how you operate when you have that freedom. 00:23:51.482 --> 00:23:56.563 But your results, they're not about what you can or can't do. 00:23:56.563 --> 00:23:59.884 I mean, you can operate in ways outside your Kolbe strengths. 00:23:59.884 --> 00:24:04.803 It's just long-term, that's not the best situation for you or for anybody else. 00:24:04.803 --> 00:24:17.442 So you want to put yourself in a position where you're gonna succeed, where you get to tap into those strengths, so your Natural Advantage™ becomes an advantage and not just something that, well, it would've been if I could've used it, but I don't get to use it. 00:24:17.702 --> 00:24:35.462 I like how I do feel not necessarily constrained by the results, and it's great that you point out too that it's not conducive for me to work long-term under those types of conditions where it would not be good for the outside stakeholder or myself. 00:24:35.462 --> 00:24:42.044 And yeah, I've observed that a few times throughout my career and even in my personal life too. 00:24:42.613 --> 00:24:43.083 Well, great. 00:24:43.083 --> 00:24:45.313 Well, I hope this has been helpful. 00:24:45.313 --> 00:24:48.843 I've enjoyed chatting with you and going over your results. 00:24:48.843 --> 00:24:51.353 Before we go, any other questions? 00:24:52.182 --> 00:24:52.673 No. 00:24:52.673 --> 00:25:08.012 I look forward to continuing to follow along and learn more about how these types of exercises can help me grow both personally and professionally. 00:25:08.012 --> 00:25:17.314 So I really thank you all for your time and your willingness to evaluate my results with me because yeah, it's been very insightful and very appreciated. 00:25:17.452 --> 00:25:17.752 Great. 00:25:17.752 --> 00:25:21.202 Well, thanks again and good luck with the job search and everything else.