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Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
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I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
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help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
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our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
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in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
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going over the same parenting topics over and over.
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So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
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we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
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thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
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if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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and let's all make like we're doing something important for
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our families.
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Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
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an older entertainment property, and for this week of December fifteenth,
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we are continuing with Lost, Season four, episode seven. Korean name.
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Gen Gen.
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I think so sounds good.
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I don't.
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I couldn't hear well enough how they were pronouncing it
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in the episode. Also must say that this is an
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episode with a lot of subtitles, as it was a
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Sun and Gin episode. I could read the subtitles fine
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when it was night and the background of the subtitles.
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Was dark when it was in the middle of the
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day on the sunny beach, not so much. Who knows
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what the heck they were talking about. I was asking
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my husband to transport, right, what are they saying?
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What she said?
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So not not nice to to Grandma morro and her
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old eyes. But I got the I got the gist. Yes,
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And wow, did they do a great job of putting
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together the flashbacks and the flash forwards so that it
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all seemed to be at the same time. Real tricky,
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you guys, fake out, Ricky.
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We had, yeah, flash forwards of Sun and flash backs
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of gin So.
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And sinced just so it looks, yep, like he is
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buying a gigantic panda for his own child, not for
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the child of somebody who has been sent to kowtouted right.
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So wow.
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So I had read the synopsis of the episode before,
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so I kind of knew what it was going to be,
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but I didn't realize it was going to be that
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seamlessly stuck together. And also I knew that gin was
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not one of the six. But I assume you were
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assuming throughout that it was all flash forward.
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Oh yeah, I was. I mean, even though I didn't
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stop to count that we only had one remaining of
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the six that hadn't been identified, and because.
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And I mean you could think that maybe Aaron didn't count.
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But yeah, so that was well done and kind of
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heartbreaking and what the heck happened?
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Yeah? And is he really dead? Is he just on
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the island somewhere?
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I think the six made up a story that everybody
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else was dead, right too, for reasons I can't quite remember,
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so I won't say. But so is the date on
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his tombstone apparently is the date of the crash, right,
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which would suggest that maybe he's not. I don't really
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remember why he I vaguely remember the circumstances, so.
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Right, And I mean it son, the way she's acting
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is like, oh, yeah, he's definitely dead. But I guess
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it could be like, oh, you know, we're separated from
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each other and cannot you know, return to each other.
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Also, it seems like the Oceanic Six have not been
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sticking together as one big friend group because Turley's the
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only one who came to see the baby, and when
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he was told that nobody else was there, he was had.
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It's not like a big realion. Where is Jack let
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make you that guy a hug.
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But he did come and see the baby, unlike Jack,
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who had to be bribed with coffee or something in
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order to be able to go see Aaron.
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So yeah, yeah, So something's going on, and and Juliet
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is trying to keep a son has decided she's gonna
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go They're gonna go hang with Locke because Locke has
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I don't know, like food and shelter, right, And Juliette
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wants her to know that she absolutely cannot do that
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or she will why yeah, And you know, when simply
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reasoning with her doesn't do it, she says, I know,
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I'll tell her husband.
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Yeah she is nice, thanks doctor.
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Patient confidentiality lady, what the heck?
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Yeah? And also why Hippola.
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Is gonna come for your butt?
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Uh huh? And why is she so? I mean, I
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guess it's because it's all part of Ben's giant master plan.
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But you know the way she has to, you know,
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works so hard to make sure that that son doesn't
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go there, Like why does she care that much? Like
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I told you you're gonna die, Okay, if you want
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to take that on, then.
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Barely knows this person.
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I mean, I guess it could because she's on team
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Jack now and Jack Jack's the great gun.
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Why are you going all the way? Why are you
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betraying Jack?
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Or it could be that she's lost a whole bunch
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of patients and she doesn't want to lose another one,
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or or she's just a bit she made a possibility.
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Also yeh.
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You know, we don't know her that well.
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She she just wants people to do things.
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She spent a lot of time with Ben.
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That's maybe so a bit revenut, but she does.
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I mean the way she was talking before, she's creeped
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out by Ben. So yeah, exactly why does she want to? Yes?
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And yet sometimes maybe this is a parenting tip. Sometimes
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you take on the qualities of somebody that you don't like,
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almost without knowing it. Sometimes kids do it, sometimes adults
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do it. It's not great, but you all of a
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sudden realize, oh, I'm doing think that thing my mother
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did that I hate, and now it's the first thing
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that comes out of my mouth. Or you know, there's
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that kid at school that I don't like, but I'm
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going to try to be more like that person so
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that they'll like me. So you know, it's a human thing,
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but I don't know what exactly her thing was. It
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seemed like, I mean, it's a human thing to not
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want somebody to die.
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That I get to go to.
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The point of breaking her confidence and telling her husband
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something that he does.
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Not need to know.
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That's where you start to think, what exactly is this person's.
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The motivations are very.
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Complicated, and she didn't do it in a tortured way.
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She didn't know well find.
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Yeah, you want to play that way, I got some
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information I'm going to pass along.
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But the dead Hole plot gave Bernard the opportunity to
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show up and have a scene.
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I haven't seen you in a while.
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Buddy that.
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Give the young man some fatherly advice and talk of
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poor husbands.
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You and me talk about.
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Car I'm okay, yeah, and and he was also he
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was also giving the pitch for staying with Jack that
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you know, it's the right thing to.
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Do, but why is it the right thing? I mean
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he said that he just divided by saying Locke is
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a murderer, which okay, but you know so was.
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Jack is some kind of evil Judius that has brainwashed
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everybody to think they have to they have to follow him.
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Yeah, because I mean, he's a really rose.
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If we hadn't seen, if we hadn't seen the flashbacks
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and flashboards of what an incredible mess this dude is,
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we would feel if he was like a stall wart,
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stalwart in all parts of his life, then you could
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see it more.
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But it's like.
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Lockscott, lockscot houses, lockass houses yea, and food and electricity,
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I assume plumbing.
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you know, and there's the.
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Whole okay, but I'm sure he wouldn't mind.
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There's a whole matter of Rose dying of cancer if
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she leaves the island, like.
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Right, so she can't leave the island, but you know what,
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maybe she could use a house.
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Maybe a house would be it.
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Oh well, you know, the loyalty to Jack is strong
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amongst some because he was the he was the hero
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at the beginning, remember when we thought he was a
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hero before we learned all these terrible things about him.
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That nobody but us knows.
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Yes, it's not like he's evil, but he's just.
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He's just delicate mess.
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That's weird said, he's such a mess in the past
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in the future, right, he's a guy who should not
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leave the island.
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Stay on the island. Because if you leave the island,
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you will be a mess again. Remember when you were
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a mess? You don't want to be a mess.
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Agan' a mess before you're going to be a mess again.
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And I mean, is this a parenting tip about like
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when you get into a good groove, you do not
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mess it up.
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You know, do not let anybody else mess it up.
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That's that's your bigger problem.
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When you find something that works for you, yes, do
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not feel like you have to go back and no,
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you just stick with you. And if something works for
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your kid, then you fight for your kid to get that.
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You know, if school says he's a mess, say well,
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are you doing this thing that I know works for him?
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Because if you keep if you keep sending him off
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the island, he's going to be a mess. But if
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you just keep him on the island, it'll be great. No. Yes,
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I have often fought that battle. So you know you
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are doing things that cause him to be MESSI right,
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don't do those things.
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Do these other things. You will not have mess.
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Like the castaways. Child study teams sometimes.
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Hard, sometimes don't listen.
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Sometimes don't listen. They get their ideas in their heads.
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And that's that.
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Yeah, speaking of like child behavior, Kate was so snarky
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in this episode. Oh my gosh, she was like a
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teenage girl. Yes, she's sarcastic all over the.
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Place because she saw Jack and Julie.
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That's why. That is why.
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Yes, that's why she's like being super snarky, mean girl
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about Julia because she was kissing my boyfriend. I can
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kiss somebody else, but you can't kiss anybody else.
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She can not only kiss somebody else, but actually sleep
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with that Sawyer with like a word, yes, but swayer.
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Better not be kissing anybody else. Oh, no, you'll be
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in trouble. Yeah, she's she's all kinds of messed up
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adolescent right now. And uh oh sweetheart, grow up. Yeah,
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there's bigger problems here than who's kissing him.
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But honestly, so the trial, you know the episode that
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we saw when she they had the trial and went
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So that's after the flashboard, right, I mean, it wasn't
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that far in the future, right, And because you know,
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it was like maybe two years or something.
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I'm not going to hazard to guess because I just
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really don't remember, but yeah, I mean it's not like
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ten years.
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Yeah, and she's so like poised and.
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Well, but that's that's a good lawyer has groomed me.
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Yeah, that's true.
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She doesn't want to come into the guardhouse in her
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tank tops and her messy hair.
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And say, yeah, it was on the island.
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And I screwed this guy and I screwed that guy,
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and then that guy kissed this girl and I was mad.
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I was mad.
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I said, I'm getting off this island.
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I'm done with you people on that helicopter. I don't
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care if I have to go to jail, but I
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don't want to go to
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No, she has to look like she also, I believe
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we can assume that by that time she has been
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given a settlement of a great deal.
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Of money by the airline.
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It's clear that she has more.
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Tops and g yes, yes, so you know, brings a
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certain amount of refinement. And I'm sure also that she
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was coached by a lawyer to not seem like a
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teenager on a wb show. So although maybe that would
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have been more sympathetic.
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Well, it seemed to work for her. Whatever she did,
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whatever she was doing.
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Her mother was so stunned, Oh my gosh, you're not
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the same girl who set fire to my husband and
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ran away. You're a refined young woman. Now go free.
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not more to talk about with the whole Son and
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jine it. But on the boat, the big boat, the
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boat full of very ominous looking people, the vote that
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people just jump off of and other people go oh yeah,
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there's we find out who their friend on the boat
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is and most likely who bends man on the boat is.
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We were correct?
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Hey, Michael, we guessed it? Michael? Or shall we call
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you Ken Johnson?
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Hi? There?
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Man will say, you just going?
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I see you.
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Again. I will go with.
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It, but I see you. I don't know. I don't
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know if Desmond ever did.
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I don't think they. I don't think so.
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from the Hatch when they were down in it. Anyway,
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he doesn't have the history with Michael. That Zai site
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is like, I am thinking what I am going to
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do to torture you when I have the opportunity. Oh Michael, Yes,
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what has happened to you along the way?
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Friend?
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Well we will we will get into more wan fine
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next week.
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How many more rabbit holes do we have to go through?
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Before this thing is over several hundred, I think, But.
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That'll be next week's episode. But we should get back
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to uh sun yah giving birth in of course dramatic
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fashion as happens on on TV. Yes, can't be like
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I think in labor, I think I'll go to the hospital.
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I mean, are we supposed to think that this had
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something to do with the whole island of it? Oh,
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that she had such a hard time, But it shouldn't be.
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I mean, the whole thing was if you leave the island,
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you'll be fine. But I guess Juliette doesn't really know.
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That, right, because that hasn't.
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She's never sent anybody off the island to see what happens.
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I don't think.
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She just knows that if she stays on the island
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she will So maybe there's some weirdness that will cause
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a difficulty for anybody conceived on the island.
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But yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know. Or maybe it was just.
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Uh, you know TV and movies like showing difficult labors.
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I don't want to say. Well, let's just say my
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two labors were over twenty four hours each, Like, it
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isn't just bang one pain. Oh my god, I have
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to go to the hospital. I'm dying, you know, it
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was it's ours and yeah for most people, not for
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everyone obviously.
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Do you know I went to Russia for all.
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Yeah, you were in labor for a really long time.
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I don't know. I think I'll take my way. But still, yeah, so.
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We should not necessarily read anything into the fact that
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it seemed very intense, right dangerous.
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It was just that's just what birth and babies.
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Is, like, Okay, well, if only Jin could get there
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with that tenage. Oh it would wait a minute.
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When he lost the first bear because someone stole his
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taxi with the
bear, which was so funny, Like you're
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the person who stole that taxi and you're like, I
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guess this panda is just along for the ride. It's
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an extra service that this cab driver provides.
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Isn't that nice? Some company?
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Oh gee?
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Yeah, that was that was so nicely done.
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The the trick of that that it really seems like
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she's she's laboring and he's trying to get there, and yeah,
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then it's.
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Not so yes, quite impressive. Yeah, well, can we get
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parenting out of that, just the way that life, life
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tries to fool you. Yeah, gotta be.
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On your Certainly, anytime you need to be someplace in
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a hurry for a reason, you will be delayed.
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Yes, that's just.
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And certainly if you have kids, that will be the
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day that the zipper breaks on the jacket and you
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can't find the other shoe and they're going to need
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to bring their giant panda with them and you can't
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find it. And you know, that's the day that the
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school line is particularly bad and long and somebody takes
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forty five minutes saying goodbye to their kid at the door.
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is inverse to the ease at which you will get there.
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We've certainly all had that. And boy, a stuffed animal
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getting left in the wrong place and disappearing. If he
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was bringing it to his five year old daughter and
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not to a somebody else's baby, that could be a crisis.
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Remember one day, I think we were staying at a
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hotel or a timeshare or something, and we couldn't find
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my son's stuffed dog. And this stuffed dog was very
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important to him, but he was also very important to
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me as like the thing that I that makes him happy. Yes,
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and now it's like we can't find it. So it's
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like he probably would have gotten over it faster than
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I would have gone over it. But
you have to
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run to the office and say I need the key
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to the place we were staying.
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We're missing the dawn.
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Yes, so I would have been chasing the taxi down
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the street getting the phone number of the taxi place,
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saying I need that bear.
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Oh man, yes, my crisis. My parents still tell the
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story of I had a blanket when I was a
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kid and it was left in a hotel and and
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you know, we were an hour away or so, you know,
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we had left and were somewhere else and I had
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to go back for the blanket.
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So, yeah, make sure that somebody always has a hand
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on the precious objects. Okay, never just leave them for
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a second.
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The yeah, yeah, totally don't.
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Don't put the panda in the taxi and get him.
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More comfortable and then stop because your your flitting phone
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got run over the street.
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Oh gosh. Yes, that toy store owner had.
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A good day though. Yeah, except for when the other
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the person who wanted the panda comes in like somebody
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has stolen but he stole it. Go ask every cab
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driver in the city of Seoul. You'll find it.
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Eventually, It'll be fine.
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Oh, so.
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We are going to uh enter a little island time
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warp of our own. And so instead of talking about
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season four, episode eight of Lost, meet Kevin Johnson on
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next Tuesday, like you'd be wanting because it's a cliffhanger,
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And what up Michael?
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Where did Michael come from from? What happened to the world?
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Why are you here on this disgusting boat?
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What?
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How?
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Who? But we're not going to tell you next Tuesday,
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nor are we going to tell you the tuesday after that.
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Maybe we'll be on an island, maybe we'll be celebrating
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the holidays with our families, who knows. But we're doing
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some time displacement, and we will be back to talk
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to you about this just like it was a week
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later on Tuesday, January sixth, and we will be back tomorrow. No,
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not a couple of tomorrow's away, but actual tomorrow to
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discuss the loadown.
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Very hard to keep up, but yes, yes.
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And if you haven't been watching the lowdown and we're
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listening to our podcasts about it. Just go watch this episode.
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This land to question Mark for the most delightful Peter
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Dinklage performance ever. Worth it just for that. I don't
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know if he's on any other episodes, but holy cow.
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You gotta watch this. That's good.
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