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know that I was expecting to laugh as much as I did and I don't know if that was Tori (04:23) Uh-huh. Ian (04:24) out of discomfort or pure humor. I will say, the air horn at a table when you don't like what's being said is just phenomenal. Tori (04:31) Yeah. No, s they there is intentional comedy, I think, in this. Yes. Ian (04:36) Okay, 'cause some of it was funny intermixed with, as you and I have discussed, my just sheer discomfort with just watching people's lives be so I mean some of those are very deep and heavy topics. Tori (04:50) What part made you the most uncomfortable so far? Ian (04:53) What part made me the most uncomfortable? I think it's the parts where people are and again, I have no idea who these people are, but there was I think three different clips of people sort of questioning the validity or longevity of like marriages and making large decisions. And Tori (05:11) Yep. Ian (05:11) watching that unfold on camera really makes me like I physically get uncomfortable of like I really like I hope they're okay. but like I I don't Just I can't even form word. It's like so uncomfortable that there Tori (05:26) we're gonna get into it, don't worry. Ian (05:27) I have no doubt. Tori (05:29) What made you laugh the loudest? The air horn? Or 'cause I was trying to keep up with how Ian (05:32) It had to be that Tori (05:33) you were watching. Ian (05:34) so It had to be the air horn or the lady. I don't know who was in the pew with her, but calling that guy his side piece instead. That Tori (05:42) I can't wait to tell you about Mary. Ian (05:44) was really funny. and then there were some other jokes that were very inappropriate that I don't know that I need to repeat, but there were some other things. I Tori (05:49) yeah. No, no, no. I I I I think that I saw your reaction to those. Yeah. Ian (05:55) and that was more of just like, okay, like I was not necessarily expecting, and this is, you know, as we talk about the psychology of things, I think a bias of mine, I was even surprised by how much like language there was. I think a bias of mine that's Tori (06:07) yeah. Ian (06:08) probably unfair. You know, when you look at Salt Lake City, like, you know, there's obviously a large Mormon population and that's, you know, not a necessarily a fair stereotype, but I was just not anticipating sort of the the content or some of the language. So that was somewhat eye-opening to me. Tori (06:22) Uh-huh. Yes. Ian (06:25) but yeah, The other thing that really stood out to me is like what they were wearing. Like some of the things that they were wearing were just like large and just looked uncomfortable. Tori (06:33) Yes. so you'll get to see this, but sometimes they have like themed parties and so costumes come into play a lot. Especially with Salt Lake. They really know how to do a theme. Ian (06:45) Okay, so when they were doing like the be the boss of your own feelings lunch or brunch or whatever, was that costumes or was that like that looks more fashioned to me? Okay, a lot of hats, a lot of hats. Which I don't hate. Okay, I just I was again I was just not that was something Tori (06:52) Mm, no, that might have been just their outfits. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, that's just more their outfits. Yeah. You'll be getting exposed to so many new cultural experiences, Ian. Fashion now included. Yeah. Ian (07:05) Yeah, this is gonna be a lot for me. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Tori (07:08) This is what I think we're gonna do. I'm gonna just introduce you to the women and who they are and Ian (07:10) Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm. Tori (07:15) you know I'll try and piece to with some of the trailer that you just saw so you can like picture them. Ian (07:20) Okay. Tori (07:21) so Before we even get started, I'll say one thing. I'm I'm only listing these women on how they did the cast photos on Bravo, okay? Ian (07:30) Okay. Okay. Tori (07:31) and I'm telling you this because who like already. Already. But like Ian (07:34) This is a very particular way. Yeah. Okay. Tori (07:38) when we start watching the show and they do the intro, okay, every Ian (07:39) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Tori (07:41) housewife holds something when they Ian (07:43) Okay. Tori (07:44) when they have their intro title, okay? Ian (07:46) Okay. Tori (07:46) Like Salt Lake holds like little I mean it's like CGI, but like little snowflakes, right? 'Cause they're in Salt Lake. In New Ian (07:51) Okay, okay, okay. Tori (07:53) York, they hold apples. In Orange County, they Ian (07:55) Mm-hmm. Tori (07:56) hold oranges, right? Okay. So the Ian (07:58) Okay. Tori (07:59) the picture for each starting episode when it does Ian (08:03) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Tori (08:04) the title, that's what I'm looking for. Who stands in the middle and then down and across, like that means something. So I'm listing these women in no particular order, no favoritism, no nothing. I'm just gonna go based off of how Bravo listed them. I'm just saying Ian (08:20) Okay, okay. Tori (08:20) that for clarification. So we'll start with Lisa. Lisa is the one on the trailer who it she's kind of early on and she's sitting down with her son and she's like, I have like an eight year old douchebag. Okay, so good start there. Ian (08:34) Yes. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Okay. Tori (08:38) Lisa right now is also on Ultimate Girls Trip. You know the show that I'm watching with all of the ladies. Ian (08:42) Yes, that's the one that you mentioned, yes, yes. Tori (08:44) And it's interesting because the Ultimate Girls Trip right now is being filmed Ian (08:48) Uh-huh. Tori (08:49) right after Salt Lake's last reunion. So Ian (08:53) okay. Tori (08:53) they're bringing in some of the women on this tour and they're definitely Ian (08:55) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Tori (08:57) still clashing. So I feel like that's going to be brought into this next season. Ian (08:59) Okay. Okay. Yeah. Tori (09:00) her and her husband own a tequila company. Ian (09:03) Okay.

Tori (09:03) Which is interesting because they are Mormon. she does have two sons. One Ian (09:08) Mm-hmm. Tori (09:08) just finished his mission, you know, like the Mormon trip. Okay. And so Ian (09:11) Yeah, yes, yes. Tori (09:14) he's coming back now. I guess he'll be on the season. The wolf line thing that he references, like that he's working on, is him and his brother. Lisa tried to help her sons start like a male. hair care like grooming line so they could have their own business as well. Ian (09:29) Okay. Yeah. Tori (09:32) Lisa she'll be referenced as like baby gorgeous 'cause that's like what she calls everyone. She loves like a diet coke. She you know how do I even describe Lisa? Ian (09:43) real quick before you go, are these women just part of similar communities or the Mormon church? Like what what brings them together as a group? Tori (09:51) beyond just being like on the show, they all are kind Ian (09:53) Right, yeah. Tori (09:54) of just connected in Salt Lake life. Now, when Ian (09:56) The community, okay, okay. Yeah, okay. Tori (09:59) when the show first started, there was a different kind of like connection. They all have varying different like religions. and I'll get into some of that too, because that's Ian (10:06) Okay. Yeah. Okay. Tori (10:08) kind of how it all started was they all had different religions in Salt Lake. Ian (10:11) Okay. Tori (10:11) Some have known each other for a very long time. Two of these women are related. So like Ian (10:14) Mm? okay. Tori (10:17) they all have like mixed and mingled and now the show also is is Ian (10:20) Yes, okay. Tori (10:21) a thing. but sometimes they have friends on and it'll be like Salt Lake Socialite woman or whatever. but Lisa herself with the tequila company So I think that this would sum it up the best. Last season she said to the women, I live a very different life than all of you. Because she thinks she has more or like wealth, like Ian (10:45) Okay. Yeah. Tori (10:47) how she presents herself is very important. Ian (10:49) Okay. Tori (10:50) All of the women, minus one, which I'll get into later, or two, but like a lot of the women are angry at Lisa. Ian (10:56) Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. Tori (10:59) Still like Lisa is having a great time on girls' trip right now because Ian (11:03) Mm-hmm. Tori (11:03) she's like actually getting along with the women and she's like Ian (11:05) Okay. Tori (11:06) I never get that with my own cast. Ian (11:08) okay. Tori (11:09) okay, I'll move on, Okay. Mary is the one who called her husband the side piece on accident. Yeah. Ian (11:16) That was your husband? Tori (11:19) But I have a lot to say about this. and that's totally on brand for Mary to say side piece instead of sidekick. Like she has like Mary-isms where she's like, she's gonna Ian (11:29) Okay. Tori (11:30) say exactly what she thinks that is what she's known for. to begin though, sadly, since the wrapping of last season, her

son Ian (11:38) Mm-hmm. Tori (11:39) has passed away. Ian (11:41) okay. Tori (11:41) he had just gone through rehab, but that was like a big thing in the past couple of years. Yeah. So he had kind of been dealing with addiction and he unfortunately passed away. Ian (11:46) Yeah, storyline. yeah, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Tori (11:53) which is why she was saying, I've been leaning on her husband, okay, Ian (11:56) Gotcha. Okay. Tori (11:57) through this whole time. To get into her husband, there's no way that I can describe Mary without telling you who her husband is Ian (12:03) Mm-hmm. Okay. Tori (12:07) and why she is married to her husband. So she Ian (12:09) Okay. Tori (12:10) is like the pastor of a church in Salt Lake. Okay. She inherited the church from her grandmother. It did not go to her mother. Okay, so that also caused some friction. Ian (12:19) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tori (12:23) but part of the stipulation for Mary to be able to run the church was that she had to marry her grandmother's husband, aka her grandfather. So Ian (12:41) Yeah, yeah, okay. Tori (12:37) that is their relationship, okay? you can't describe Mary without knowing that. Especially because S Robert Senior, that's her husband, Ian (12:45) Okay. Tori (12:46) he hasn't been on the past couple of seasons. Like it's just kind of been Mary and her son. Like he has not been filming. He's clearly gonna be maybe around a bit more. 'Cause it was a big storyline the first season, 'cause everyone was Ian (12:57) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Tori (12:59) I mean, wrapping their head around that. But now that's like no one even thinks twice about it, in my opinion. Ian (13:03) Okay. Okay. Tori (13:05) Okay. And yeah, Mary's gonna tell you what she thinks. She also tries to be like the mediator between women. Ian (13:11) Okay. Tori (13:12) Okay. Heather Heather is the one that was dressed up in Saint Patrick's Day stuff. Yes. Ian (13:19) yes, the leprechaun outfit. Tori (13:20) And she was the one having the conversation with the man that's saying like I never want to get married again. Okay. Ian (13:27) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Tori (13:29) So Heather, her big thing is that she's ex Mormon. And do you know like how big of a deal that is in the Mormon community? Like she's been excommunicated f from the church. Ian (13:39) my under yeah, I haven't had personal experience and I don't know it thully Tori (13:43) Yeah. Ian (13:43) but I can imagine that it is a very it's not taken lightly. Like it is a big deal. Yeah. Tori (13:47) It's a big yeah, it's a big, big thing. And she was married to someone I think relatively high in the church too. So she Ian (13:53) Okay. Yeah. Tori (13:54) spent most of her life like being, you know, wife, Ian (13:56) Very involved. Mm-hmm. Tori (13:59) mother, like very involved in Mormonism, got divorced, left. It's Ian (14:02) Okay. Mm-hmm. Tori (14:04) she's like done her own show too about leaving Mormonism. Like she's very vocal about Mormonism and being an ex Mormon too. Ian (14:08) Okay. Yeah. Okay. Tori (14:12) Last season her daughters went off to college she's an empty nester for the first time. So like this is Ian (14:17) Mm, okay. Tori (14:18) her first time like being on her own, like not having anybody in the house. So Ian (14:22) Yes, right. Tori (14:24) apparently she's dating someone new. This guy is new to the show. And Ian (14:26) Okay. Okay. Tori (14:28) her not wanting to get married. Okay. Heather is cousins with Whitney. And I'll talk about Whitney a little bit later. Ian (14:36) Okay. Okay. Tori (14:38) But they are cousins. So they've known each other their whole life. Whitney is also ex-Mormon. Ian (14:41) Okay. Okay. Tori (14:43) Heather and Lisa are not good right now. Not good at Ian (14:46) Okay. Tori (14:46) all. They actually just had a fight on girls trip. Ian (14:50) Okay. Tori (14:51) Okay. Angie Angie's the one that's like, do I look like a dried up old hag? Ian (14:59) So what did she say? Tori (15:00) it's used up. not dried up. Yeah. So Angie is one who like she's Greek. You just have to know like that's very important Ian (15:06) Okay. Tori (15:08) to her. No like she makes it a whole she got her Greek citizenship last season. you just should know that. it's probably gonna come up. they have one daughter with her husband. Angie And her husband started like a hair salon care business, whatever. Ian (15:24) Mm-hmm. Tori (15:24) now they were one of the couples that was talking about their marriage on the show. It Ian (15:29) Okay. Yeah, okay. Tori (15:30) has since been announced that they are separated. Ian (15:33) wow, okay. Tori (15:34) So that is definitely gonna be a thing. Ian (15:37) Part of it, okay. Tori (15:38) Angie used to be very good friends with Lisa, like very ride or die. Angie started as a friend of I'll explain a little bit of this later. Now she's like one of the main women. Like she was center last year in the title card. but and she will really read you to filth. Like she will she has a lot of how do I describe this? Iconic put-downs. Ian (16:04) Okay. Okay. Tori (16:05) And Lisa is usually the target of them. they started as friends, but Angie felt like Lisa didn't have her back enough, as or as much as she always had her back. That's a common thread for Lisa. Everyone feels like they stand up for her for a long time and then when the tables are turned, Lisa does not have their back. Okay. Meredith Trying to think of what Meredith even did in the trailer. that's not a good sign for Meredith. That's an opinion thing for me. Ian (16:32) Okay. Tori (16:33) but here's her thing. Ever since season one, when she gets like overwhelmed in conflict, she's like, I'm not engaging. And she'll just remove herself. Ian (16:37) Mm. Mm. Okay. Tori (16:41) but bad in terms of Housewife World because like you really do kind of have to engage. You can't just

like not be a part of the conflict. Ian (16:49) Yeah, right. It would be Tori (16:50) It's like not good T V. Like you have to kind of engage. Ian (16:53) yeah, I would not be good on reality TV show 'cause I'd be like, yeah, I'm too uncomfortable, I'm outta here. Like that's not she can't have a similar mentality to me. Tori (17:00) I'm having a hard time thinking of what she even did in the trailer. And so that to me says that's not Ian (17:02) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tori (17:06) good for her engagement. But her and Lisa are friends. One of Lisa's only, I think, right now. They've been friends Ian (17:14) Okay. Tori (17:15) for a very long time. but again, you can't really know this without No like you can't go into the season. Lisa and Meredith had a really big fight a couple of seasons ago and Lisa was caught on a hot mic talking very, very, very badly about Meredith. Saying that she like cheats on her husband. Like they were separated for a while. And so she's like, she slept with all of New York, like blah, blah, blah. How could she do this? And so she was caught on the hot mic. They obviously weren't friends for a while, but they have re convened. And Ian (17:47) Okay. Tori (17:48) it's an interesting dynamic between those two because it's like, Ian (17:51) Okay. Tori (17:52) hmm. Is Meredith over it? Are they both over it? Ian (17:57) Right. Tori (17:57) Because now they just have each other's back like last season kind of just like blindly. That was my opinion at least. Like now Ian (18:03) Hm, okay. Okay. Tori (18:04) now they are. Like, okay, we're gonna stick together. No more of that. right, we're almost through it. We're almost through. Bron wyn, well, she has a boyfriend now. Because she also has at the end of last season or at the reunion really announced that her and her husband were getting separated. she has this new boyfriend that she's been like photographed with, so they're saying maybe is this a PR stunt, like whatever, whatever. Ian (18:24) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Tori (18:27) Todd, her husband, was not great on camera. He was not a fan favorite for sure. Ian (18:32) Okay. Yeah. Okay. Tori (18:37) And a lot of times people say like maybe the show contributes to divorce because you get to see your relationship play out on camera. And this was a very good example of this. Ian (18:47) Okay. Tori (18:49) Bronwyn is also ex-Mormon. I forgot to Ian (18:51) Okay. Tori (18:51) mention Meredith is Jewish. she just got Ian (18:53) Okay. Tori (18:54) like her bot Mitzvah like a season or two even to be like officially confirmed. And her husband's Jewish. Okay. Angie, Ian (18:57) wow, okay. Okay. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Okay. Tori (19:02) yeah, Greek Orthodox, Heather ex Mormon, Bronwyn is also ex Mormon because she got pregnant out of wedlock in college. Ian (19:12) okay. Tori (19:12) And so she has a very interesting dynamic with her mother. Because her mom was not like very supportive of that during

the time, because of the Mormonism. Bronwyn and Lisa are also not friends. Bronwyn came on the show as Lisa's friend, and Lisa kind of threw her under the bus a lot, and so Bronwyn and Lisa are not friends anymore. Ian (19:31) Hmm. Okay. Tori (19:33) Which leads us to who Bronwyn's newer friend is, is Whitney. Whitney is Heather's cousin, like I said, ex Mormon. Also going through a separation and or divorce, this season. Whitney had some kind of crazy like business thing that happened where she was accused of being an MLM. Do you know about like MLMs? Yeah. Yeah. Ian (19:55) Yeah. multi level marketing, yeah. Mm-hmm. Tori (19:57) and I guess it was like after her and her husband merged their businesses and it turned into Ian (20:02) Mm-hmm. Tori (20:02) an MLM and so last season there was like a lot of resentment towards the husband about it and all of this Ian (20:06) Okay. Okay. Tori (20:08) kind of stuff. So now they are separating. a lot of the women will promote their own businesses, of course, while on the show. Ian (20:13) Yeah. Yeah. Tori (20:14) So as jewelry and makeup and stuff. And then the last Ian (20:17) Gotcha. Tori (20:17) two are Britney and Ashley. Those aren't actual housewives. They are friends of. So Ian (20:22) Okay. Tori (20:23) the other women that you saw on there like the new girl that they introduced. I don't know anything about her 'cause she's she's new. And then Brittany. Ian (20:29) Sure. Tori (20:31) Brittany has a lot. she's working for that real house, like for the spot, but this season she is still a friend of. So that's a big distinction. Ian (20:39) Well yeah, so help me understand what the specific distinction is. It sounds like with friends they are sort of incorporated into the show as a part of somebody else's life where an actual housewife their life is the focus to a degree and then the other people like obviously come in as friends. Is that accurate or am I off on that? Okay. Tori (20:59) No, that's pretty accurate. It's interesting with this one because Britani last year got a lot of solo storyline TV time. So I was Ian (21:07) Okay. Okay. Tori (21:08) interested to see that they kept her as a friend of 'cause they've like shown her daughter, they've shown her dating life, they've shown like they've shown Ian (21:14) Mm-hmm. Tori (21:15) a lot about Britani but she's still a friend of. And then yeah, if you have the actual housewife spot, it's an all and everything. And so friends kind of come in to maybe stir the pot or make new alliances. Well Ian (21:27) Provide advice or yeah, okay. Tori (21:29) but and they they get mixed up in the drama too. It just depends on Ian (21:31) Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tori (21:32) how how active they want to be as a friend, I guess, would be the way to describe it. Ian (21:37) Okay. Okay. Tori (21:39) Okay. So that was a that was a lot. Ian (21:41) Well done. I am intrigued by this because a lot of it I I will say it's not necessarily what I was expecting. in my significant time watching reality TV, which has been maybe an episode No, that's not true. I watched I didn't even watch reality TV, I watched reunion. I was I don't know, I'm I'm intrigued by this from many angles. And if it's as funny as the trailer was, I'm all for it. Like there were some funny Tori (22:04) Yeah, yeah. Ian (22:05) moments in there. but I think, you know, even as you're talking about this, like all of the different ways that we can look at this and the different things that, you know, we can learn or take, I I think is gonna be the most interesting thing. So you did a very good job of helping me be caught up. I will say I'm going to write down these ladies' names, because this is going to be a repeat process for me. Tori (22:19) Yes. Well, they give you a little title card when they come on the screen sometimes. You'll get to know them quick, yeah. Ian (22:24) Right, but if that's at the beginning of the episode and then, you know, we're thirty minutes in, I know that I will struggle with that. So but I will Tori (22:30) yeah. Ian (22:31) keep it 'cause I think I was kind of surprised it like sort of the up and down, like some is very intense, some was very funny. so it'll be kind of interesting to see. But you did a wonderful job recapping. I feel like I can go into this show and like at least have an idea. of who is who and then it what would be really interesting to see I was even thinking of this as you were talking. We almost need like one of those like crime scene posters where you're like stringing like between Tori (22:56) Yes. Ian (22:57) 'cause I don't know if you know in in therapy you do you know family trees and and or what I of course I can't think of the name of Tori (23:05) Geniograms. Ian (23:06) Yes. And you have different coding for different, you know, connections. And I was like, we we could do a Tori (23:11) my gosh, wait, that would be fun to make a geneogram of the women or just show how they are connected. Cause I as I described Ian (23:15) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tori (23:20) it, I was like, there's so much lore in between all of them. It is really hard Ian (23:23) Yes, right. Tori (23:24) to even give and who was friends and what ended their friendship and coming back into friendship. And Ian (23:28) Yeah. Yeah. Tori (23:31) one interesting thing too is like all of these women have to film together, you know. Ian (23:36) Mm. Yeah. Tori (23:36) Whether they really want to or not. So that's another interesting piece of some of their behaviors together. Ian (23:43) that to me is is very fascinating. Like I mean it's one thing to show up to work and not want to be there and be annoyed at people around you. It's another thing to have that intertwined into your life and it be filmed. Like I Tori (24:01) Yeah. Ian (24:01) that that to me is just a remarkable thing that I I can empathi like that would be miserable. Tori (24:08) Yeah. They

come in with like having time off of filming, like to live a little bit of like normal life and then to be like their filming season is so different. 'Cause then they have to like jump back into like are they really over the conflict or are they not? Or do they just push through for the sake of filming kind of thing? Ian (24:27) it goes into, you know, compartmentalization or avoidance when you can be off camera, compartmentalize, or avoid, right? Like you find that a lot with people. they think they're over something and then you you know, you bring it back up and it's like, wait, I'm actually not over this at all. Like I just haven't seen this person in three months. So that's that's a fascinating component to all of this. Tori (24:48) yeah. Another thing too of not even avoiding or compartmentalizing, but think about some of these women have already announced that they are divorced from their husbands. Like they filmed, then they announced, now they have to rewatch Ian (24:59) Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Tori (25:02) it all. You know? Ian (25:04) what's the chronology of that? So when you're saying so they filmed, then got divorced, then Tori (25:10) Well, I think some of them have just announced separation. they would have been done filming this season, I think. Ian (25:16) but regardless, you've expressed that in other reality spaces where you can see something beginning to unfold and then once filming ends, there's much I mean, we talked about, you know, the summer house reunion. That was sort of the whole thing. there was this thing that was building that people couldn't really see and then it exploded but nobody was filming at the time. Then it went back to the Tori (25:37) Yeah. Ian (25:37) reunion, we have to face all this it's sort of similar, possibly Tori (25:39) Yeah. Right. Ian (25:41) to that trajectory where it's like these Tori (25:41) Right. Right. Ian (25:43) things are building, then they've happened. Now I've got to go back and rewatch the you know, what led up to it and okay. Tori (25:49) yeah. Sometimes women will say in the reunion too, even with Ian (25:52) Mm. Tori (25:53) the conflict, like, I thought we were good and then I watched your confessional and I got like re angry about it 'cause they have to like rewatch Ian (25:57) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tori (25:59) it or watch what the other woman says about it or like Uhhuh. Yeah. Ian (26:02) When they're not in front of them. Yeah, I think that that dynamic is is really interesting. Tori (26:07) Yeah. So it's gonna be a good season. Ian (26:10) I won't go as far as to say that I'm excited. However, I'm very intrigued. Tori (26:16) Yeah, okay. That's that's a nice way to put it. Ian (26:19) you have hooked me in with some of the comedy and I think some of the dynamics of this. And I I do want to shout out your expertise in picking which show we should start with, because undoubtedly this Tori (26:32) we're just jumping into the deep end. Ian (26:34) Yeah, but I think it's good and I think there's a lot to learn. Cause even as you were describing, you know, I think when we consume any sort of media, right, we look at things as only one way or the other. And even as you were describing it, like, yeah, there are people in the show who probably don't look great or people don't like or not fan favorites, but you described a lot of complexity even in the, you know, short descriptions, which I'm always intrigued by. I'm always intrigued Tori (26:59) Uh-huh. Ian (26:59) by the complexity of people and how people can be viewed in one way, you know, in another. so I am very much looking forward to overthinking reality with you and whoever comes along for the ride. Tori (27:11) Yay. Yay. I can't wait. I can't wait for you to actually see how they all interact and like how the dynamics work together. Ian (27:20) Yeah, that was a lot for two minutes and fifty seconds. These episodes are what, like an hour long? Okay. Okay. Tori (27:22) Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Ian (27:28) will commit that I'm I am ready to give it a try. Tori (27:31) Good.