บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Jennifer Lawrence, plastic surgery & what Hannah & Phoebe would get done

Kardashian moment when she couldn't cry and you can only scrunch up the middle of your face. 00:05:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just looked ridiculous. But this little fucker at Ava's school called her ugly, which is so rude. And I was just so worried about her that I kept crying but couldn't move my face. 00:05:29 Speaker 2: I love how you intertwined like you made yourself such a hero in that story as well. Like I didn't even hear about the face freezing. I'm like, oh, she's such a good mom. 00:05:39 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, how was I a hero for getting Botox or bad Botox at that? 00:05:44 Speaker 2: Well, okay. 00:05:45 Speaker 1: What about you? 00:05:46 Speaker 2: What about me? So what I have done is. Um, so obviously breast reduction. 00:05:52 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:05:52 Speaker 2: We knew that. And lift. Um, I think I'm due for another one of those because the caveat, the disclaimer we forgot to put in that episode and that my surgeon told me after, which is really cute. Oh, you'll be back in five years for another one because you know, gravity. I thought it was 10. That's when you get like something put in. Okay. 00:06:10 Speaker 1: That's implants. 00:06:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So obviously gravity, um, and just, you know, life, they just, Again, they just start to... So maybe that's not... So if I could have anything, I think I'd have to sit down with a surgeon and point everything out and say, what are my options? Because. 00:06:30 Speaker 1: So what would you want to improve? 00:06:31 Speaker 2: Some mornings I wake up and I want the Kris Jenner. I just want someone to like give me a tight ponytail feeling and freeze my face in place. Because, you know, when you're doing your makeup and your skin starts to be crepey and it stays crepey, like just aging, you know, just things are changing. Things don't feel– I feel like I'm always holding my right eyebrow up because they don't feel. 00:06:51 Speaker 1: I know. I always feel like I'm in trouble with you when you're looking at me because you do that. 00:06:55 Speaker 3: Oh, well, no, no. 00:06:56 Speaker 2: Don't worry. It's because I feel I have a lazy eye. So it's this thing like Meryl Streep did in the movie It's Complicated. She spends her life just holding herself like this. Okay. And I hold it up and I get headaches. So I think I'd like a little brow lift. Yeah. Just to hold them in place. Not permanently surprised. 00:07:12 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:07:13 Speaker 2: And look, years and years and years ago, I did this story for a magazine that was an investigative piece. Do you remember when Botox used to be anti-aging? Like it was something when we were in our twenties, Instagram was just starting. It was something that the, you know, wealthy mums in the eastern suburbs or you know, in Beverly Hills would get. And it was sort of this frozen look, but it wasn't for us. We weren't there yet. No. Anyway, so I did a story back then when Botox was just starting to pick up. Like now it's like buying chips at your convenience store. You can get Botox anywhere. 00:07:47 Speaker 1: Fucking 19 year olds are getting it. 00:07:49 Speaker 2: No, I know. 00:07:49 Speaker 1: It's insane. 00:07:50 Speaker 2: And it's that marketing that's changing. Anyway, so I went to these places and I'd sit down and I'd say, what do you think I needed? And I was young and I was confident and I wasn't too worried about what they'd say. And it scarred me for life. One guy said, Well, we could definitely like straighten out the nose because you've got this ski jump and hanging kamikaze hawk thing. I've never forgotten that. I was like, oh, it's funny because I don't have the money to do this. I just have your opinion on my face. 00:08:17 Speaker 1: And now I need to think about it every night before I go to bed. 00:08:20 Speaker 2: I took away that I looked like I'd been smacked in the face with a sticker of all. This other woman had said to me once, oh, you've just got the most beautiful cheekbones, but you've got a very square, boxy, masculine jaw. So we'd want to balance them out. And then one woman said, don't touch your cheekbones. They're perfect. There was never one thing. So what I have done is what we call baby Botox. Yeah. I think mine's probably getting a little more heavy lifting, but that's what I get. But I don't like not being able to. 00:08:51 Speaker 1: Express your face. 00:08:52 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:08:53 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. So I started doing baby Botox when I was filming Below Deck Mediterranean. 00:08:59 Speaker 2: Ah. 00:09:00 Speaker 1: And the exec producer, a good friend of mine, was like, your face and your reactions on camera are such a big part of your personality, so please don't overdo it because everything When you're saying like, oh, can I get you another glass of wine to the guests? That's what you're saying. Your face is saying, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. 00:09:21 Speaker 2: Oh, we know. 00:09:21 Speaker 1: And we so need that on camera. So please don't mess with it too much. I was like, okay. And so I've never stopped. So I think I was 28 when I started. And I don't think I would have started that young if I wasn't in television. But it became so normal being around Bravo Lebrities and watching yourself. 00:09:42 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Bravo, what are we, what is, what said that word again? 00:09:46 Speaker 1: Bravo Lebrities. 00:09:47 Speaker 2: Oh my God. 00:09:48 Speaker 1: Is that the first time you've heard that word? 00:09:49 Speaker 2: I've died and gone to heaven. I've never heard Bravo Lebrities before. 00:09:53 Speaker 1: Oh, it's like what you call people on Bravo. 00:09:54 Speaker 2: Oh my God. Okay. We're just going to stop right here. I know we have other stuff to go into, but you've raised it. So we're going to dust off the dust and crack this open. 00:10:01 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:10:03 Speaker 2: What are their faces like in real life? Come on, please tell me. Oh my God. The housewives.

Okay. 00:10:07 Speaker 1: So I just did BravoCon. 00:10:10 Speaker 2: Oh my God, another one, BravoCon. 00:10:13 Speaker 1: She's learning all about reality TV on this episode. I just did BravoCon and honestly, so we have a joke that the housewives come every single season with a new face. Kyle Richards is a big one for that. She's on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. 00:10:28 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:10:29 Speaker 1: Every year, new face. It's like insane. And I think she's done 15 seasons now. 00:10:34 Speaker 2: Oh my God, 15 faces. 00:10:35 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:10:35 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 00:10:37 Speaker 1: It's crazy. But some of the ones that look. 00:10:40 Speaker 2: Sorry, do they get worse or better? 00:10:42 Speaker 1: Better. 00:10:42 Speaker 2: Her new faces, is it because she's pulling back or she's doing more? 00:10:46 Speaker 1: She's doing more. 00:10:47 Speaker 2: Oh, wow. 00:10:48 Speaker 1: But with the right surgeons. 00:10:49 Speaker 2: Got it. 00:10:51 Speaker 1: But then some of them that look good on television, I did like a fan interactive moment with one and I was like, I actually thought she looked good on television and then when I was standing next to her, it was like the only thing that moved on her face were her actual eyeballs. Like, yeah. It was like I'd be talking to her and it was just like. 00:11:14 Speaker 2: You know that? 00:11:14 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my God, you look like a fucking demon. 00:11:17 Speaker 2: Do you know what? And I figured out what I noticed. So I love the Real Housewives of Cheshire. That's the one I got into. 00:11:22 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:11:23 Speaker 2: Dawn Ward. That's where I'm from. 00:11:25 Speaker 1: Sally's happy. 00:11:25 Speaker 2: Well, Sally's voice is really– Dawn Ward, you know. 00:11:28 Speaker 1: Oh, my God, I message with her. I like her. Fuck off. 00:11:31 Speaker 2: I love her. 00:11:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll let her know. 00:11:33 Speaker 2: She's very like you. A leader, strong, tough. Like when you're her friend, I can see like with you, you know, no one is going to fuck with me when I'm with Hannah. Yeah. Like it's that feeling. You take me under your wing. Oh. But Jesus– fuck, I do not want to be on the wrong side of either of you. Like that's the vibe I. 00:11:49 Speaker 1: Get from her. She's like, love you, but secretly terrified. 00:11:53 Speaker 2: She doesn't like me. I'm just going to have to like put bars on my windows. But she owned her own, her injectable, she like popped it in her backyard. 00:12:02 Speaker 1: Oh my God, really? 00:12:03 Speaker 2: It's a clinic. So she started a business, another business with her husband and they have literally injectable clinic in their backyard. Yeah. And you know, for the Botox, the experience I've had with getting it, it's something that like I take kind of seriously as in. Well, it's your face. Yeah, but they do it like morning tea, like quickly. Yeah. We'll just pop out to the hut and inject our faces. 00:12:23 Speaker 1: Oh my God. That would terrify me. 00:12:25 Speaker 2: But that's the thing. It's got this sort of addictive quality to it, doesn't it? Yeah. Um, And I want to talk about. 00:12:32 Speaker 1: Sorry, just very quickly. Have you seen Brandy Glanville? 00:12:36 Speaker 2: I've heard that. I think maybe. 00:12:38 Speaker 1: So Brandy Glanville, it was one of the housewives of Beverly Hills and I'm friendly with her. So this is not like a diss or anything like that, but she basically, so she's always like, she's been very open and honest about her plastic surgery. And I don't know if this particular thing came from it, but she like ended up with a worm. under her skin in her face that like. 00:13:02 Speaker 2: Not like a salmon sperm worm we want there. 00:13:04 Speaker 1: No, I don't like, I don't know what people are doing in Hollywood and I don't know if it was because of that, but the poor thing, like her face was just, I felt so sorry for her. And when you do see these housewives that have just taken it that step too far, and I'm not saying that was brandy, But when you do see them, they've taken it a step too far and they're like unrecognizable now. You're like, okay, I get that. You know, you've done a little, do you know who had a very good one? Carolyn Stanbury from Real Housewives of Dubai. She got a facelift. I'm going to be desperately Googling these after. She has like a 28-year-old husband. I fucking love her. She's about 52, 53, and she's got this hot husband. But I was like, I grew up on like such a small hippie island. 00:13:51 Speaker 2: No, wait, you have to tell people. I sent it to you and you wrote back, oh, I just don't really care. And I went, great. Great. 00:13:58 Speaker 1: Thanks, Hannah. Concept for the podcast. 00:14:00 Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. Done. 00:14:01 Speaker 1: But no, we just, I grew up with no television. Like no magazines, no internet. And all the people around me were basically hippies who wore no makeup and didn't shave their underarms. So we just did not, I wasn't raised in an environment where we cared about our looks. Now, the one thing that I will say, I'm very aware of my privilege. This is not me being stuck up. I know that many of the doors that have been opened for me in my life have been opened because I have a pretty face. I'm not naive in that. But like, no, but you should, like, I fucking hate when people are like, oh my God, no, I'm so, no, you're not. If you have symmetry, there's just basic things that you can see that a person's attractive. My face is, you know, not bad. 00:14:51 Speaker 2: And when we combine it with your personality, you're amazing. 00:14:54 Speaker 1: No, my personality is what fucks me up. It's my face that opens the door and the personality gets it slapped in my face. 00:15:01 Speaker 2: So tell me then, I want to know, can you pinpoint a moment where the cross-section happened? Because we've said now you're a girl who– you're a girl.

You're a strong, independent woman who gets baby Botox facial, who's experimented with a bit of filler, and you're aware now. Can you track when you sort of noticed that awareness of appearance? Obviously, we get to reality TV. 00:15:22 Speaker 1: No, do you know what I'll tell you? 00:15:23 Speaker 3: Please. 00:15:24 Speaker 1: I will tell you exactly when I worked at I Was Good Looking, and it was when I was 14 years old and I moved off this little island and I started waitressing at the bottom of a stockbroker's building in the middle of the city. And these men were asking me to like go for a drink and go for dinner. And I thought they were being nice. And I kept ending up on dates and not realizing I was on a date. 00:15:49 Speaker 2: With married stockbrokers. 00:15:51 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't say they were married. 00:15:52 Speaker 2: No, but I was just, my mind went there. Yeah. Sorry. 00:15:55 Speaker 1: Well, they're stockbrokers. Let's call it like it is. Married cokehead stockbrokers. 00:16:00 Speaker 2: But tell me, no, no, no. So I love, yes. So that's sort of starting to embrace your sex appeal as a teenager. Early-ish. But that's your journey, do you know what I mean? So you start to realize that. But when were you aware when like, I want to know where we went from the way you were raised and that's in your core, that's fundamentally who you are. So I think what you're saying when we say we don't care, it's not necessarily about your inherent value. No. But you did get to a point where you've engaged with a bit of the injections and things. So can you track where that started to change for you? 00:16:32 Speaker 1: I think it was probably the DMs. 00:16:37 Speaker 2: Interesting. 00:16:38 Speaker 1: From people who do Botox going, do you want to come for some free Botox? And I was like, hell yeah. 00:16:43 Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Okay. 00:16:45 Speaker 1: I never sorted out. It was more the other way around. 00:16:48 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:16:48 Speaker 1: And they were like, oh, this one woman reached out to me who does not do my Botox anymore. But she reached out and was like, I'd love you to come in. I'd love to meet you. And I was like, oh, well, as long as it doesn't change my expression. 00:17:01 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. And it was. 00:17:02 Speaker 1: Probably a good age to start with what I had done to my body and my skin because I was smoking Marlboro Lights, drinking way too much wine, working in the sun, not using sunscreen. So 28 was a good age to start that with what I had done from 14 to 28. 00:17:20 Speaker 2: Millennials, we were free, weren't we? 00:17:22 Speaker 1: We really were. 00:17:23 Speaker 2: We were free. Like I went to Greece and I bought keratin. I didn't have any sunscreen. I bought the thing that made you go even browner. Yeah. Like I didn't have Instagram telling me. Yes. And I had no Instagram saying, you'll regret this, Phoebe. Like I get that now because I'm dealing with. Do you know what I used to use? Tell

me. Baby oil. Baby oil. Baby oil. Do you know, growing up, so this is, so my mom told me when we're talking about skincare once, she has to go in and have a few skin cancers removed. She's like, oh, darling, I used to go mustering in a boob tube and baby oil all day. And she was a Queenslander. So she'd literally be on the back of the horse. with like, and this is not that long ago, they'd be in boob tubes and like lathered in baby oil. And that was the norm. And think how far we've come. 00:18:06 Speaker 1: I know. 00:18:07 Speaker 2: There's no excuse anymore. We know better. 00:18:09 Speaker 1: We didn't know back then. I'm like, we didn't know about any of the cancers. That's why I smoke so many Marlboro Lights. 00:18:16 Speaker 2: So another thing, so off the back of having said this, one of the things that Once someone tells me about you and your face, you can't forget. And this is a nice little hook segue into the actual like topical conversation of today, which is Jennifer Lawrence. How often are you told that you look like Jennifer Lawrence? Because I didn't have it straight away, but someone said it and I was like, oh, she does. You're so Jennifer Lawrence. 00:18:41 Speaker 1: I get it a lot and not before the show, before Below Deck. 00:18:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. 00:18:46 Speaker 1: But after Below Deck, there was a lot of comparisons. And she's stunning, so, like, I'm not going to say no to it. 00:18:53 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, embrace that. 00:18:54 Speaker 1: I love her. 00:18:55 Speaker 2: I'd have that in my bio, frequently called Jennifer Lawrence. 00:19:00 Speaker 1: And then under that, at Overshare the Podcast. 00:19:02 Speaker 2: Exactly. So the reason she's on our little Overshare radar is because she's on a bit of a media blitz at the moment. And she was like our icon, millennial cool. She was the I don't give a fuck girl. She played, she's the tripping over when she's going to get her Oscar. So relatable, so funny, loves Bravo, loves reality TV. The thing I do love about her is that she knows that I'm alive and that to me is her and Rihanna. I'm like, oh my God, Rihanna knows I'm alive. 00:19:34 Speaker 1: This is too much. 00:19:35 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll just give, she was just on call her daddy. So tell her that we'd like her here. That would be great. Now I feel like I really don't want to go into this chat now just in case Jennifer Lawrence is watching. 00:19:46 Speaker 1: She's not, trust me. 00:19:47 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:19:48 Speaker 1: She just would watch Below. 00:19:49 Speaker 2: Deck, that's all. all. She did. I actually heard her say that on the podcast interview. So she doesn't do a whole lot of interviews, right? No. She was our millennial icon, the anti-celebrity. She was so like unfazed, goofy, lovable. Recently though, She just got Instagram. Yes. She's done Call Her Daddy. She's done a few podcasts. So, yes, she's doing the media to promote that she's just released a haircare line called Mess. It's three products. So, basically, the reason that we're all sort of looking to her at the moment is for a couple of things. There's this feeling of, oh, no, Jennifer Lawrence, you were our cool Hollywood girl and now you're doing the Kylie Jenner, you know, Lady Gaga, Rihanna thing and giving us cosmetic line to buy. Like, why, why, why? It's commercial and does that really fit? You were our … Relatable queen. 00:20:34 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:20:35 Speaker 2: So there's that sort of feeling amongst millennials. But also, which relates to our conversation today, there's a new trend going around for celebrities, which is the bleh, the bleh, the blep surgery, which is cutting your eyebrows, like removing fat from your eyelids, right? It's not fat, though. 00:20:53 Speaker 1: It's skin. 00:20:54 Speaker 2: Is it both, I think? My research said a bit of both, like that hooded skin. 00:21:01 Speaker 1: Oh, when my girlfriend had it done, it was just excess skin. 00:21:04 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it depends what you've got up there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I guess the controversy is essentially... That she's had it done. Not even that, because... you know, women should be able to do that. I think the whole conversation is that like, that was such a signature part of her face. She was imperfect, but it made her so perfectly beautiful. And then a very sort of conservative commentator, Megan Kelly, came out and said, oh my gosh, it's the same thing that happened to Renee Zellweger. Jennifer Grey on Dirty Dancing who changed her nose. 00:21:37 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:21:38 Speaker 2: And that was such a trademark of her face. A pivotal part of her face, yeah. And her acting career wasn't sort of as strong, I guess, from then. And everyone's wondering, like, why would you change something that, you know, was so you? 00:21:49 Speaker 1: Do you know what? So this is the thing is I think it's so funny because I've seen this so much, right? We– feel like we as a society almost own a part of celebrities when they get that big. It's like, but we loved that about your face. And she's probably sitting there going, why the fuck would I care what you love about my face? 00:22:15 Speaker 2: Because you need my bum in seats to pay. 00:22:17 Speaker 1: Well, she doesn't anymore. Trust me, she's got enough money. But I'm like, if she wants to change that about herself, then good on her. 00:22:25 Speaker 2: She should. 00:22:26 Speaker 1: Just like every other woman. You know, every other woman, if you want to change something about your body, you do it as long as you're doing it for you. Don't go and change something because the internet has trolled you about it or your husband wants you to do it or your mother-in-law said that this and that. Like if maybe that was something that we as millennials who relate to her a lot love so much about her, but maybe it's something that she hasn't liked her whole life. So I say fucking good on you. Go and do it. 00:22:56 Speaker 2: It's a bit of a

confluence of the two. I think, I don't know, I can't say if millennials are upset she had her eyelids done. That was sort of more so if you have enough money and these Oscars aren't feeding the kids, you're now launching a commercial brand and selling us something. It was that sort of relatability thing was shattered a bit. I think with the eye surgery, the thing that I sort of dislike about it is the Megyn Kelly factor of telling her to sort of walk back her looks. But when you think about how it affects us directly... I'm talking about celebrities and trends of changing your face. Like remember when Chrissy Teigen did her buccal fat procedure? And when we were growing up, things like filler became mainstream all of a sudden. It wasn't anti. 00:23:42 Speaker 1: It was about. 00:23:43 Speaker 2: These are big. 00:23:44 Speaker 1: 10, 12 years ago, wasn't it? Where it's like filler and Botox just became very normal. Everyone was getting it. 00:23:50 Speaker 2: It wasn't anti-aging. It was, oh my God, I can fuck around with my face. I can change my face. Yeah. You know, I even got filler in my lips or six, seven years ago, I think. Yeah. I tried it out. And I went to an event straight after having not realised what would happen and I was black and blue by the end of it and I needed a straw and I was dribbling, like literally dribbling out. 00:24:10 Speaker 1: You're like, I just had root canal, I swear. 00:24:13 Speaker 2: No, I was like, smile, Phoebe. I'm like, I'm really trying. It was just they were so swollen. And recently, you remember Colin off Bridgerton? 00:24:21 Speaker 1: Colin Firth? 00:24:22 Speaker 2: No, no, Colin is the character. Do you watch Bridgerton? No. Netflix? I live for Bridgerton. 00:24:28 Speaker 1: I love it. 00:24:29 Speaker 2: It's like. Elegant porn a little bit. 00:24:32 Speaker 1: That's with all the outfits and stuff, isn't it? 00:24:34 Speaker 2: Yes. Bridgerton. From that era. 00:24:36 Speaker 1: With the bonnets. 00:24:37 Speaker 2: Yeah. Some bonnets. 00:24:38 Speaker 1: And the busty boobs. 00:24:40 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:24:40 Speaker 1: I could star in it. 00:24:41 Speaker 2: You could. The big thing was that Cain in all the headlines was he'd had a lip flip. Okay. All right. And that's not filler. It's Botox. Oh, my God. I can't use these two fingers. 00:24:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, that flips here. 00:24:53 Speaker 2: It's Botox. So they freeze here and here. Mm-hmm. And, you know, for field research reasons, obviously, I wanted to try it. So like a year ago I got it done. And my big question is I couldn't make an O and I couldn't like get my lips around a cup. 00:25:09 Speaker 1: You couldn't get your lips around what? 00:25:11 Speaker 2: A cup. You can't. It stops it. 00:25:14 Speaker 1: It's a blowjob joke, Phoebe. 00:25:15 Speaker 2: But he's acting. We've covered this. There were no blowjobs happening. 00:25:20 Speaker 1: I'm still making blowjob jokes. I don't care if. 00:25:23 Speaker 2: You're doing them or not. I had a window. You know, I had this. You know, I was lucky. You know how you get your bikini waxed when you have a window of like no sex and then you fix things up? I've had an eight-year window to get whatever I need done. 00:25:32 Speaker 1: I was going to say, babe, I'm married. I don't do schedules with that sort of shit anymore. That was a long time ago for me. 00:25:40 Speaker 2: Dating schedules when we used to wax, not laser. Anyway, my point is I couldn't for the life of me get my mouth around a sandwich, Hannah, a sandwich. How was he able to act? And we're having this conversation now about Daisy Edgar-Jones. People are saying all over social media, don't let a Botox needle near this actor's face because she's just so emotive. Like you were saying in reality TV, she's so perfect. She's got wrinkles. Do you know what? 00:26:07 Speaker 1: She's 28 though and now with the technology that they are bringing out, I reckon you can get away without Botox till 40. 00:26:17 Speaker 2: Oh, so you think that they're green screening wrinkles away? 00:26:21 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Not technology in terms of like. I'm pointing at the cameras and lights around me, by the way. 00:26:27 Speaker 2: I'm talking about like … They are not fixing our faces, these lights, just to be really clear. 00:26:31 Speaker 1: No, I know. No, I'm talking about like diet, collagen, injecting collagen into your face. 00:26:39 Speaker 2: Alternatives. 00:26:40 Speaker 1: Alternatives to Botox. 00:26:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:26:42 Speaker 1: Where … I think she could not have Botox until 40 and be fine. 00:26:47 Speaker 2: That's true. Before I got Botox, there's one facial that you can get injected under your skin. It's basically pure hyaluronic acid and it really does plump you up a bit. That's the thing that I get done as well as a couple of dots of Botox every now and then, obviously not at the moment. 00:27:06 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen anyone with threads? 00:27:09 Speaker 2: I looked into this and that was one of the things recommended to me To put in your hairline, to hold your brows up? Have you? No. 00:27:17 Speaker 1: So I was working with a girl on Below Deck Mediterranean and the thread broke in her face under her skin while we were filming. I was like, and I'd never heard of it. 00:27:28 Speaker 2: So was it like this? And then one face was slapped? 00:27:31 Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean your thread under your skin snapped? That is terrifying. 00:27:37 Speaker 2: She's in the ocean. He's like, you can't fix that. 00:27:40 Speaker 1: No. 00:27:41 Speaker 2: Guys, I just need to, can I get the little tinny? I've got to go in and fix my face thread. Oh, my God. 00:27:46 Speaker 1: The little tinny. She's like, vroom, vroom. I'm going to pick up the guests. 00:27:52 Speaker 2: But like, anyway, so it got me thinking, the celebrity trends, right, that filter down to us normal people, how many of our friends are going having buccal fat? Like a

lip flip is different. That's not different. That's a smaller thing. Yeah. I'm wondering accessibility-wise, is it a trend we're leaning into? Because then we look at people like the beautiful Nicole Kidman, who is an icon. She's just been covered for Vogue Australia, sorry, has just dropped her latest cover. And she is flawless, right? 00:28:26 Speaker 1: She looks so much better though, right? 00:28:28 Speaker 2: Well, she looks very young and they've styled her very young. 00:28:31 Speaker 1: She's got like- The little Chanel crop top bralette on. But don't you think that Nicole Kidman five years ago, no offence, was not looking very good in terms of plastic surgery and now it's like she's changed surgeons, changed what she's doing and now looks fabulous? 00:28:49 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's this acceptance, like with Margot Robbie, that some celebrities, they're all having something done. There's a degree, right? 00:28:57 Speaker 1: Except for Kendall Jenner. I've never had anything done in my life. Yeah, you've got to be careful with the– She's had a lot done. Yeah, you've got to be careful with the lies. Like Bella Hadid, Kylie Jenner's a different face. 00:29:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. But we know that. There's almost like a disclaimer. But when it comes to acting, this is the big circle I'm trying to make. Daisy Edgar-Jones, Sense and Sensibility, her face is just so perfectly emotive. She's acting. It's that nuance. And then we've got someone like Nicole Kidman who's landing– these leading roles, you know, in The Perfect Couple, The Undoing, The Baby Girl. Oh, my God, that movie. And she's still so highly sexualized, which for us, in our age group, we're like, yes, go Nicole Kidman. Yeah. us relevant. Like we're still sexy and hot. However, there's very clearly a lot of work that's gone on and not a whole lot of movement. 00:29:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:29:49 Speaker 2: Bittersweet, right? 00:29:51 Speaker 1: But this is the thing is I feel like there is just this double standard in Hollywood. 00:29:57 Speaker 2: Shocking. Yeah, I know, right? 00:30:00 Speaker 1: It's only in Hollywood. What do you mean? Nowhere else in the world is there a double standard between men and women. 00:30:05 Speaker 2: Are we paid less? Are we thrown out the door when we hit 35? I didn't know this was happening. 00:30:10 Speaker 1: Oh, God. No, I just feel like it's like women have spoken about it in acceptance speeches and things like that. It's like they hit 40 and the phone stops ringing. So I feel like they're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't. If they don't, a lot of times the phone stops ringing and their career goes away unless you're at like that Julia Roberts kind of stage. 00:30:38 Speaker 2: You've recently, for your breast surgery, lost a lot of weight. 00:30:42 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:30:42 Speaker 2: How did it change your face? 00:30:44 Speaker 1: Massively. 00:30:45 Speaker 2: Mm. 00:30:46 Speaker 1: I was basically told by the surgeon, you kind of need to be at your ideal weight before the surgery. 00:30:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that. 00:30:53 Speaker 1: Otherwise, you know, things can obviously just grow back when you lose or gain weight. So I got to my ideal weight and then I got really stressed out. And when I'm really stressed out, I don't eat. And when I do eat, I throw it up because of anxiety. So it has to be like once a day I have to sit down for like an hour and just slowly– you know, but I've lost too much now. So now I have to put on a bit before I go in for the surgery. I literally walked in yesterday to my facialist and she was like, oh my God, she's like, it looks amazing. And I was like, what? And she goes, you had your surgery done. I was like, no. She's like, oh, I was like, no, I'm just really stressed. But that changes. 00:31:40 Speaker 2: Isn't it funny when everyone says that? Like when people say to you, Oh my, in your life, you're looking incredible. So many times I've had to say to them, anytime I've lost weight, I am deeply unhappy. 00:31:52 Speaker 1: My fucking DHL guy the other day, do you know what he said? 00:31:57 Speaker 2: What? Why is he saying anything? 00:31:59 Speaker 1: Oh, I love him. 00:32:00 Speaker 2: We chat. 00:32:01 Speaker 1: Literally said to me like, congratulations. And I was like, on my 47th delivery this week or what? And he's like, on the baby. I was like, dude, I wasn't pregnant. So he just, and I, when I was younger, I had the baby. I've gone the whole nine months, spat out the child and now I have a baby in my house. 00:32:23 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:32:23 Speaker 1: So the one thing I wanted to ask you. 00:32:25 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:32:26 Speaker 1: You did that investigative piece where you went and tortured yourself and asked plastic surgeons what they'd do to you. 00:32:33 Speaker 2: The idea was that because young girls were now going into these rooms and You normally have to sign a waiver and explain to the person who's going to give you a procedure what you aren't comfortable with. But the story was looking at this upsell that was happening. So like, hi, I'm in for a bit of like, I want some filler to, you know, flatten out this ski hump in my nose. And then we wanted to look into how much young girls were getting upsold on things that they did or didn't need. 00:33:03 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:33:04 Speaker 2: So it was looking at the sort of morality around it. 00:33:07 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like they go in for a bit of filler in their lips and. 00:33:09 Speaker 2: Work out with a BBL. Yeah. And I walked out with a great story on, you know, Medicare fraud and also a bit of a hang up about my hawk nose for the rest of my life. Yeah. Okay. 00:33:19 Speaker 1: So if you had unlimited funding right now, what would you do? Are we going like full Hollywood? Are we going natural? Are we going somewhere in between? 00:33:31 Speaker 2: I still want to be like, I think once you lose the essence of you, you either do little

tweaks, the baby ones that keeps you who you are, or you do have to lean all the way in. 00:33:45 Speaker 1: So you think it's either all or nothing? 00:33:47 Speaker 2: I think it's either the tweaks about aging and, you know, correcting small things along the way that's about you and when you look in the mirror and the fact that I hold my right eyebrow up, those little things, or you lean into the look. You know what I mean? Kylie Jenner didn't just do her lips and go, I'm. 00:34:05 Speaker 1: Good now, guys. 00:34:06 Speaker 2: That was my hang up. No, she certainly did not. Don't you think? It's an aesthetic. And I think you can't walk around with this like fucking perfect nose and And then the rest of it's all a little bit. I think once you start down the track, it would be very hard to stop. 00:34:18 Speaker 1: That's what scares me though because I feel like so many of these women are just looking exactly the same over and over again. 00:34:25 Speaker 2: And they take a great photo though. Like every photo is perfect. Yeah. But then in real life, I don't know that I'd be as comfortable chatting to you not as me. 00:34:34 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like some of them do not need to dress up for Halloween anymore. Well, it's so true. 00:34:41 Speaker 2: This is my... This is my mask, but it's forever. 00:34:44 Speaker 1: But it's forever. 00:34:45 Speaker 2: And look, you can walk things back. 00:34:47 Speaker 1: The only other thing I will say as well is like I get really scared about what I'm teaching Ava. 00:34:53 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. 00:34:54 Speaker 1: In terms of like plastic surgery. She even asked me about something the other day. I won't go into details because it's a bit personal. But she was like, why is it this one day and it's this another day? And I was like, oh. I've got to explain to you like why I'm changing my body. So if I was then going to do like these major surgeries on my face, my breast reduction I've already talked to her about and she knows that it's like a health thing. If I went and got like a nose job and completely changed my face. How do you have that conversation? 00:35:26 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:35:27 Speaker 1: And even when I came back, the most weight loss I had was when I was, my anxiety was high and I was overseas. And when I came back, she kept looking at me going, mommy, are you wearing makeup? Cause that's how she sees it. as when I change my face, it's when I'm wearing makeup. So I wasn't, but she could tell something was different in my face. So she kept asking me if I was wearing makeup. 00:35:48 Speaker 2: Well, they take so much comfort in, and they follow, they're little ducklings. They imprint on you and the little ducklings follow. Like the other day, I had a huge chat with Poppy, my nine-year-old, who's just growing like fucking weeds. It's terrifying me. She's just becoming this little young woman. and we went through drive-through Maccas, and I got a vanilla thick shake, and we had to have the whole

chat about periods, because it was so, we don't go through Maccas and get a thick shake, but I needed one. I was really wondering how that was related. Well, no, but she'd started having the biological chat at school, and that was something, and I thought, oh, and it felt grown up, and I liked chatting to her, leveling, and then she'd be like, you bleed for seven days, and I was like, I did the whole, it's just a teaspoon. Mine was never a teaspoon. But we did the chat. Yeah. And then you go, actually, they will notice if one day I come home and my nose is perfect and I look permanently surprised. And you're right. How do you unpack that? Like, you can only blame your job so far. 00:36:44 Speaker 1: No, exactly. 00:36:45 Speaker 2: Because I'm telling them, you know, Poppy, I love the law that we've had come down in Australia about social media. Because I can just say, because Albanese said so. That's why you're not on Instagram. It's not mummy's fault. 00:36:56 Speaker 1: The police will come and take you away and lock you in a cell. That's it. 00:37:01 Speaker 2: Billy, can I drive in the front? It's illegal. But yes, the idea. 00:37:05 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:37:06 Speaker 2: So what? You're right. What's the landing pad morally? Because you don't want to say, oh, honey, it's okay. You can do the same as me when you're 32. 00:37:12 Speaker 1: No, I think definitely there's two different things here. One is. I think women should do whatever women want to do as long as they're doing it for the reason that they want to do it. I think personally I wouldn't like to do that because I want my daughter growing up thinking that she is beautiful or knowing that she's beautiful naturally. 00:37:33 Speaker 2: And she is who she is. 00:37:35 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So that's where I land on it. 00:37:43 Speaker 3: So there's just a little I share, you share. Maddie says, most of my girlfriends, so she's within the age demographic of 30 to 38, get a little help. And she's put a little needle emoji, so we're all intelligent enough to know what a little help means. But don't tell our partners or their partners. What are your guys' thoughts on keeping it quiet? See, I'm like, oh, I don't know. 00:38:05 Speaker 1: No, do you know what? Honestly, if my... If you are with somebody who you can't be honest with about a little Botox, then I would be looking at like deeper issues in your relationship. 00:38:19 Speaker 2: And who can't tell. Like even though it's tweaked. 00:38:21 Speaker 1: Mate, they're men. They're fucking stupid. Do you know what, Josh? 00:38:24 Speaker 2: Your skin looks amazing one day and you're like, yes, I froze it. 00:38:27 Speaker 1: Do you know what Josh did the other day when I came in with this haircut? 00:38:30 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:38:31 Speaker 1: He sat there for two hours on the couch and I went, are you going to say anything about the fact that I just chopped four inches off my hair? And he's like, oh, wow, that's really nice, nice haircut. And then upstairs later he goes, oh, it's going to take a bit of time to get used to it. I'm like, you didn't even notice that it fucking happened. What are you talking about it's going to take time to get used to it? 00:38:51 Speaker 2: It's like if you make chopped chip cookies and replace the chocolate with cacao and they don't notice and then you tell them and they're like, I don't know about this. No. Is it? 00:38:58 Speaker 1: I don't think men would notice but I also think that it's your face and it's your body and by the sounds of it, it's your money. If you want to do it, you should be able to come home and say, like, I don't even want to park in the city tomorrow so I'm making Josh come with me to drop me off and then pick me up afterwards. Botox is important. Tell your partner where to go. 00:39:18 Speaker 2: 100%. I mean, negotiate it with them. I will tell you one though, like, again, a friend said, who's been so natural her whole life. When I say natural, I mean like she uses Aesop. because it's organic. Do you know what I mean? I've only just introduced her. Natural and rich. Oh no, no, not at all. Like she'll have the same little three tubes of skincare that she uses all the time. Her husband freaks out when she puts makeup on. She doesn't really like wearing it. It's not her thing. And she's been flirting with the idea of getting some Botox. She lives in the country on a farm, but she wants that fresh feeling. And it does make your skin feel glowy quite immediately. And she's sort of opened that conversation. Whereas I sort of said to her, John is so against it because not about her doing what she wants. He fundamentally loves her when she wakes up in the morning. It's just his favorite thing in the world. And I know where he's coming from. So to her, I was like, it's a bit of don't ask, don't tell. Like if it's going to bother him, he's not going to notice it to a point that is important to have to say you've had it done. If it's something for you, why can't that be one thing you have for you? If he wants to engage with it and you want to do the whole CIA, what have you done to your face? Sure. But sometimes there are just like, there's a gulf of misunderstanding. Like he doesn't get it. He doesn't get the idea of it. She doesn't want to change her face. But he thinks she's going to walk out looking like a housewife. 00:40:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:40:44 Speaker 2: And I think there is that nuance. 00:40:46 Speaker 3: Because even with Sam, his main thing is... Don't change, don't change. He finds it sad that you would ever consider that you would need that. And I remember the other day he was like, I want to grow old together. He was like, I don't want to do that alone. And I was. 00:41:00 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, my face is going to be frozen, mate. 00:41:03 Speaker 1: You'll be aging. 00:41:04 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:41:06 Speaker 3: I'm your modern day vampire. 00:41:07 Speaker 2: I can see you two in the field where you're, you know, he's a grandparent, you're still the vampire. How did you end up with such an old man? 00:41:17 Speaker 1: Just be like I married him for his money. That's all you need to say. 00:41:20 Speaker 2: Oh, my God, think of all the face work I could get if I got like a Richard Branson. You know what I mean? Yeah. 00:41:26 Speaker 1: Okay, guys, well, thank you for joining us. As always, we have loved being here. very interesting chat. 00:41:33 Speaker 2: I'm really interested now that Sally's shared her little tidbit. Can we have a few like voice notes or little stories? I'm very intrigued about how people negotiate what's for them, what's for their partner, what's something you've hidden from your partner, but not out of being secretive or lying, but just It doesn't relate to you. None of your business, quite frankly. Yeah. He's got his fantasy football club or his side hustle gambling. 00:41:58 Speaker 1: I love that. We leave you alone with your fantasy football club. Leave us alone with our fucking Botox. 00:42:03 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I mean. It's not a lie that hurts you, but it might be a lie that helps you. The misunderstanding of a relationship. What are you hiding, people? I want to know. 00:42:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us what you're hiding. 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