บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Bee Inspired

grew on And he's obviously trying to get 42 00:01:43.209 --> 00:01:43.790 down to scratch. 43 00:01:43.810 --> 00:01:45.189 Now, it was that before we went on. 44 00:01:45.250 --> 00:01:48.040 I was winding him up. I says, some people looked 45 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:50.400 at your swing and said, there's no chance you'll get 46 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:52.060 a scratch. 47 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:52.659 Aye. 48 00:01:52.859 --> 00:01:54.680 Afterwards, he was like... Then he hit like a 73 49 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:55.620 or a 74 the next round. 50 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:58.980 Aye, did he? I play over 35s with Charlie. He's 51 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:03.659 still a good player. Aye. He's only a few years out. 52 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:05.340 He's playing that 10 and 6 as well. Is he Celtic? 53 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:05.459 Aye. 54 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:05.590 Aye. 55 00:02:05.659 --> 00:02:05.840 Aye. 56 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:12.400 So how did you guys get to use childhood mates? 57 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:14.020 Through St Mirren, actually. 58 00:02:14.500 --> 00:02:16.419 I was at St Mirren and Robbo basically replaced me, 59 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:18.659 but there's a boy. 60 00:02:18.780 --> 00:02:19.819 Did you play together or not? 61 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:22.979 It was just that exact crossover. I left United and 62 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:23.780 then went to St Mirren. 63 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:28.050 And I'd signed for Hamelin on a pre-contract and then 64 00:02:28.090 --> 00:02:28.710 Robbo came in. 65 00:02:29.050 --> 00:02:30.810 So we were kind of in the same friends group. 66 00:02:31.110 --> 00:02:36.030 Andy Dorman, Stephen McGinn, Diff Barn, Mark Howard, the boys. 67 00:02:36.069 --> 00:02:36.330 Yeah. 68 00:02:36.770 --> 00:02:38.840 So... we kind of just after training we kind of 69 00:02:38.860 --> 00:02:40.830 go and meet each other just for coffee or whatever 70 00:02:40.870 --> 00:02:43.129 and you were at Hamilton you just come and meet 71 00:02:43.189 --> 00:02:45.539 and then I moved in with Andy Dorman and then 72 00:02:46.050 --> 00:02:48.050 did Andy stay with me for a bit? Andy was 73 00:02:48.069 --> 00:02:50.949 staying I think his missus moved over from America and 74 00:02:50.969 --> 00:02:53.150 then I was staying with Andy got kicked out because 75 00:02:53.169 --> 00:02:55.469 his missus was coming in and I moved in with 76 00:02:55.590 --> 00:02:57.740 Mark and that's kind of where it all started and 77 00:02:57.780 --> 00:03:00.319 the Gorbals and the new Gorbals and they just lived 78 00:03:00.340 --> 00:03:03.300 together I lived together for a few years I was 79 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:05.439 still my young lad was still up in Dundee so 80 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:06.979 I was just kind of doing that kind of half 81 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:08.840 half travelling we. 82 00:03:08.539 --> 00:03:10.120 Lived together a couple of times before and then he 83 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:11.680 went away to Thailand and that's where we sort of 84 00:03:11.699 --> 00:03:14.139 started being inspired the first business then when he came 85 00:03:14.180 --> 00:03:15.479 back he moved in again so. 86 00:03:16.699 --> 00:03:18.979 I've been for a while now. Can I keep away? 87 00:03:19.460 --> 00:03:20.900 Like you used to? Aye. 88 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:22.400 Aye, we never bunked. 89 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.800 Like Scottish Ant and Dec, weren't we? We were the same. 90 00:03:24.979 --> 00:03:25.939 Like Scottish Ant and Dec. 91 00:03:26.060 --> 00:03:28.639 We were runnies for a spell under 21s was the 92 00:03:28.659 --> 00:03:29.520 first time, wasn't it? 93 00:03:29.539 --> 00:03:29.680 Yeah. 94 00:03:30.370 --> 00:03:34.490 And when you came to Celtic, a few months later. 95? 95, aye. 95 00:03:35.530 --> 00:03:36.770 I used to know you from Celtic. 96 00:03:36.889 --> 00:03:38.789 Under 21s, 20 starts. I used to sell majors. 97 00:03:39.129 --> 00:03:40.229 I'm a year younger than that. 98 00:03:44.710 --> 00:03:47.689 I saw that I saw that get it in I 99 00:03:47.710 --> 00:03:49.990 saw that get it in no it was it was 100 00:03:50.009 --> 00:03:53.060 the 21s and I don't know how we ended up together. 101 00:03:52.789 --> 00:03:55.900 In the 21s we're going to it's that way in 102 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:58.639 the 21 no we did once I signed we did 103 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:01.500 because I was running with Crawford. 104 00:04:01.300 --> 00:04:08.240 Stevie Crawford ah right ok can I mind long. 105 00:04:06.219 --> 00:04:09.330 Time ago so your football careers obviously went in different 106 00:04:09.370 --> 00:04:13.520 paths where was your most enjoyable career We. 107 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:15.939 Had different parties going in at the senior, so I 108 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:18.879 started in the youth team at Dundee, come through the 109 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:22.839 typical S form, through the youth teams, under 21s, probably 110 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:25.939 lucky that they had the under 21 league at the time, 111 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:28.540 as it was a progression from going from the youth 112 00:04:28.579 --> 00:04:31.519 team into the first team. So with the under 21 league, 113 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.779 there was that kind of three to five overage players 114 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:35.699 they had at the time. So you maybe go away 115 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:39.930 to Celtic or Rangers and Marco Negri's playing, De Boer's playing. 116 00:04:39.990 --> 00:04:41.529 And what a difference it made coming out from the 117 00:04:41.569 --> 00:04:44.699 youth team into that and it gave you that progression 118 00:04:44.740 --> 00:04:45.860 that i was at dundee at the time when all 119 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.750 the italian boys were there the benetti's and stuff so 120 00:04:48.850 --> 00:04:51.870 i made i made my debut with you guys and 121 00:04:51.930 --> 00:04:53.689 it just took a little bit of time just because 122 00:04:53.709 -->

00:04:54.850 there was such a i think at dundee at the 123 00:04:54.910 --> 00:04:56.990 time i had a squad of eight years some of 124 00:04:57.050 --> 00:05:00.040 the kids for dundee who were getting five six and 125 00:05:00.060 --> 00:05:01.279 the wage bill must have been just. 126 00:05:01.139 --> 00:05:02.839 That's how they survive exactly that so i went on 127 00:05:02.860 --> 00:05:03.180 loan uh. 128 00:05:06.060 --> 00:05:08.329 Ray Throwers when Jim Duffy was the manager in the 129 00:05:08.430 --> 00:05:10.730 club administration and then I got called back straight away 130 00:05:10.810 --> 00:05:12.529 and says right that was me in the first team 131 00:05:12.550 --> 00:05:14.930 I think I played like 50-60 games in a row 132 00:05:14.990 --> 00:05:15.730 after that. 133 00:05:15.610 --> 00:05:17.740 I went through a very different route than that didn't 134 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:20.000 I I ended up I was at Tayport Juniors then 135 00:05:20.019 --> 00:05:21.819 I went to uni in Edinburgh so I just signed 136 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:25.839 Phil O'Neill just played Phil O'Neill we won the Scottish 137 00:05:25.899 --> 00:05:27.220 and then the next year we got to the Scottish 138 00:05:27.259 --> 00:05:29.709 Cup final again What did you go to do at uni? 139 00:05:29.730 --> 00:05:33.730 Marine Biology Seriously? Aye aye aye how did that go? 140 00:05:33.930 --> 00:05:35.550 It did go great mate I thought I was going 141 00:05:35.569 --> 00:05:38.129 to be using that I'm definitely not I thought I 142 00:05:38.149 --> 00:05:39.850 was going to be swimming with dolphins and sharks in 143 00:05:39.889 --> 00:05:42.509 the Great Barrier Reef but it didn't work out but 144 00:05:43.089 --> 00:05:46.149 nah then I signed for when Lifco was there for 145 00:05:46.170 --> 00:05:48.889 a couple of years and then it was like Ronnie 146 00:05:48.910 --> 00:05:51.110 MacDonald and Alan Maitland they'd all come for junior football 147 00:05:51.129 --> 00:05:53.120 and they took over Hamilton and then they took like 148 00:05:53.300 --> 00:05:55.329 sort of all the best junior players up to Hamilton 149 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:57.899 so that was when I was like 22 so I 150 00:05:58.379 --> 00:06:00.100 was part time with Hamilton for two years then I 151 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.500 went full time with St Mariam when I was like 152 00:06:01.500 --> 00:06:04.040 24 we we got promoted from the second division to 153 00:06:04.060 --> 00:06:06.759 the first division with Hamilton and then obviously played against 154 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:08.980 St Mirren and did quite well and then Gus signed 155 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:11.339 me so that was my first year full time was 156 00:06:11.339 --> 00:06:15.060 24 so it's a different route certainly I think there's 157 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:16.120 a few boys that have done it now do you 158 00:06:16.139 --> 00:06:17.480 know what I mean I think Dougie Emery maybe did 159 00:06:17.540 --> 00:06:19.759 it sort of similar and then the boy Darian McKinnon 160 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:21.480 as well he sort of came through amateur and what 161 00:06:21.500 --> 00:06:22.899 we saw it gives. 162 00:06:22.779 --> 00:06:25.060 You a wee bit more at the end of the 163 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:27.529 career because most boys because it's you know the full 164 00:06:27.569 --> 00:06:30.430 time I think you look over the ones that played 165 00:06:30.449 --> 00:06:33.529 into like 40 hmm see like Craig Brewster and all that, 166 00:06:33.610 --> 00:06:38.610 Davey Weir, because they start, they have jobs, they start with, 167 00:06:39.110 --> 00:06:40.990 they're part-time footballers, and then. 168 00:06:41.009 --> 00:06:43.889 There's a real hunger for it, I think, it's either like, 169 00:06:43.930 --> 00:06:45.769 less wear and tear on the body, you're still like 170 00:06:45.870 --> 00:06:48.889 that now, like you're going to play, over 35s, and 171 00:06:48.910 --> 00:06:53.889 then five sides, and whatever, whereas like, we were training daily, 15, 16, 172 00:06:53.889 --> 00:06:56.790 and I lost the hunger for it, like late 20s, 173 00:06:56.790 --> 00:07:00.269 early 30s, and, I retired through an injury. 174 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:02.180 I don't even. 175 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:04.480 Know if it's because like, I'm guessing all football, but like, 176 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:07.439 when you're a professional footballer, you do enjoy it less. Like, 177 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:08.910 I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just like, 178 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:11.160 you played football for the love of playing football when 179 00:07:11.180 --> 00:07:13.269 you're playing for like London Football and then when it 180 00:07:13.550 --> 00:07:15.509 becomes a job it becomes a job it's like a 181 00:07:15.509 --> 00:07:16.670 bit different so then. 182 00:07:16.970 --> 00:07:19.790 I think that's hard for me I understand that as 183 00:07:19.829 --> 00:07:23.680 well but you do it becomes like say it becomes 184 00:07:23.740 --> 00:07:24.240 a job. 185 00:07:24.180 --> 00:07:25.860 I do remember going like when I first went full 186 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:27.459 time I was training with St Mirren we were like 187 00:07:28.019 --> 00:07:30.379 just in Paisley somewhere And I was like running about 188 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:32.069 like laughing and somebody's like, what are you laughing for? 189 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:33.730 I was like, I can't believe I'm getting paid to train. 190 00:07:33.750 --> 00:07:35.689 I was like in an office last week, like working 191 00:07:35.709 --> 00:07:37.370 at a computer and now I'm just like running about 192 00:07:37.389 --> 00:07:37.709 a pitch. 193 00:07:37.850 --> 00:07:38.769 It's like a bit serious. 194 00:07:38.889 --> 00:07:41.790 It does go in the management, although when we first 195 00:07:41.850 --> 00:07:44.250 took over, the two of us, I remember we played a, 196 00:07:44.269 --> 00:07:45.870 I assume we were

going to play in the reserve 197 00:07:45.910 --> 00:07:49.850 game for Patrick Thistle, doing it in. To show, because 198 00:07:49.870 --> 00:07:51.850 other boys were moaning, it was like a Monday night 199 00:07:51.870 --> 00:07:53.829 doing it in in the reserve game. It was like 200 00:07:53.889 --> 00:07:55.550 it was a punishment. I said, it should be, it's 201 00:07:55.610 --> 00:07:58.269 not a punishment. I said, we're buzzing that we can 202 00:07:58.290 --> 00:08:02.310 play in a game. but as time goes on in my. 203 00:08:02.850 --> 00:08:08.379 Experience I try to do I played down at Dumbarton 204 00:08:08.420 --> 00:08:10.560 I think I was the only I was the senior 205 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:12.310 guy I think I was number two at the time 206 00:08:12.430 --> 00:08:14.170 and it was all young boys and I'm thinking right 207 00:08:14.470 --> 00:08:17.069 going can I lead by example and track but there 208 00:08:17.089 --> 00:08:18.689 was nothing happening in the game and it was two 209 00:08:18.750 --> 00:08:21.189 old guys there just hammering me I'd done like years getting. 210 00:08:21.069 --> 00:08:25.110 Finished I'm trying to help these boys here these guys 211 00:08:25.129 --> 00:08:27.069 I was like maybe it's time to. 212 00:08:27.009 --> 00:08:29.009 Hang about you get like a high you're trying to 213 00:08:29.250 --> 00:08:32.669 do something you're trying to do something for them so 214 00:08:32.690 --> 00:08:35.289 you're saying you kind of kind of at 32 then. 215 00:08:35.669 --> 00:08:39.330 Yeah I played when I left St Mirren 28 I 216 00:08:39.350 --> 00:08:42.120 went and played in Thailand for three years right which 217 00:08:42.149 --> 00:08:44.340 was which was brilliant I was just like a total 218 00:08:44.620 --> 00:08:50.169 like different lifestyle The boys were technically brilliant, but because. 219 00:08:49.970 --> 00:08:51.389 Of the heat, there was not that physicality. 220 00:08:51.490 --> 00:08:54.629 It probably suited me getting to the late 20s, slowing 221 00:08:54.669 --> 00:08:57.090 in at left back and just playing tidy football. That 222 00:08:57.110 --> 00:08:59.389 was kind of my game. It suited me down to 223 00:08:59.409 --> 00:09:02.559 the ground. When I came back, we'd already set up 224 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:06.879 Be Inspired and moved back in with Coco and I 225 00:09:07.259 --> 00:09:09.620 was signed for Brechin. I was going to go into 226 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.379 the juniors and play. There was some mad money floating 227 00:09:12.419 --> 00:09:16.990 about then. Brechin had made me an offer. I was like, nah, 228 00:09:17.169 --> 00:09:18.610 may as well stay at the best level I can. 229 00:09:19.009 --> 00:09:21.230 Rangers were in the league at that point, in League One. 230 00:09:21.870 --> 00:09:23.830 So I'd done a year there and then six months 231 00:09:23.889 --> 00:09:26.830 at Montrose. But by that time, going from playing that 232 00:09:26.870 --> 00:09:31.519 kind

of passing game in Thailand to then playing... part-time 233 00:09:31.539 --> 00:09:33.360 football was just like, and the first time I'd ever 234 00:09:33.379 --> 00:09:34.240 played part-time. 235 00:09:33.940 --> 00:09:36.220 Football, it was a total culture, but it was difficult, 236 00:09:36.580 --> 00:09:37.299 really difficult. 237 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:39.100 I went part-time in my career as well, but my 238 00:09:39.139 --> 00:09:42.480 hip was, I'd had a bad hip injury when I 239 00:09:42.500 --> 00:09:44.179 was at Hamilton before I came to part of this, 240 00:09:44.220 --> 00:09:46.570 so that was my first year back after it, so 241 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:48.889 I tore the cartilage in my hip, they did an 242 00:09:48.929 --> 00:09:50.769 operation to sort of prolong it, but by the end 243 00:09:50.830 --> 00:09:53.850 of my career, I was taking like 12 painkillers a 244 00:09:53.870 --> 00:09:54.809 day just to get through training. 245 00:09:54.909 --> 00:09:56.809 There must be so many boys when they get into 246 00:09:56.850 --> 00:09:58.250 their 30s that are just taking pills. 247 00:09:58.330 --> 00:10:00.919 That's the only big step, reason I could it was 248 00:10:01.259 --> 00:10:03.779 like 3 diclofenac and like 8 cocodron a day just 249 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:05.500 to get through I'm kind of playing the 10 and 250 00:10:05.620 --> 00:10:08.210 6's this weekend my knees got I'm needing an ACL. 251 00:10:08.190 --> 00:10:11.230 Up later on after playing 5 asides and all that 252 00:10:11.289 --> 00:10:13.850 in amateur football when I finished playing that they actually 253 00:10:13.870 --> 00:10:15.629 realised you didn't even have an ACL, so you were 254 00:10:15.649 --> 00:10:19.190 playing your career without an ACL. So I tore my 255 00:10:19.210 --> 00:10:21.000 cartilage and I got a scan and they were like, listen, 256 00:10:21.009 --> 00:10:22.419 you've not even got an ACL, you're going to need 257 00:10:22.460 --> 00:10:23.340 to reconstruct that. 258 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:25.039 I was like, nah, you're alright. I was 37, 38 259 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:25.679 at the time. 260 00:10:25.740 --> 00:10:28.519 I can still play golf, I'm alright. 261 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:30.720 I've always played with the club, that's fine. 262 00:10:31.419 --> 00:10:32.960 You see, when you come to the end of your 263 00:10:33.090 --> 00:10:36.110 football career then, because I was trying to think back 264 00:10:37.490 --> 00:10:39.169 towards the end of my career, it was like you 265 00:10:39.210 --> 00:10:42.009 were signing, it wasn't long-term contracts anymore, it was just 266 00:10:42.029 --> 00:10:44.230 year to year. And you were just kind of thinking, right, 267 00:10:44.330 --> 00:10:47.350 get to the next year. I didn't really have an 268 00:10:47.409 --> 00:10:49.090 outlook of what I was going to do next. But 269 00:10:49.429 --> 00:10:51.809 did you guys, when you went in to be inspired, 270 00:10:53.009 --> 00:10:55.429 was this a plan for a while or did you 271 00:10:55.460 --> 00:10:56.179 just come about it? 272 00:10:56.659 --> 00:10:57.179 Not really. 273 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.240 I think obviously Stephen touched on it. Like, see, when 274 00:10:59.259 --> 00:11:00.620 we were at St Mirren, or he was at St 275 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:01.759 Mirren and I was at Hamill, we used to meet 276 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:03.720 up after training. We were all like, what are we 277 00:11:03.740 --> 00:11:05.259 going to do after our careers? So we'd be talking 278 00:11:05.299 --> 00:11:07.590 about it and stuff. But, The Be Inspired thing never 279 00:11:07.610 --> 00:11:10.330 really came about. It only really came about when Robo 280 00:11:10.350 --> 00:11:12.129 went to Thailand. So he was over there and I 281 00:11:12.129 --> 00:11:14.450 was like, surely there's something over there that's maybe a 282 00:11:14.460 --> 00:11:17.480 bit different that we could sell back here. And then 283 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:19.039 for a couple of years, obviously, he was just patching 284 00:11:19.059 --> 00:11:21.220 me because he was enjoying himself in Thailand. 285 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:22.820 You know what it's like with footwear, isn't it? Stay 286 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:23.820 in touch with many boys. 287 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:25.960 I know you're in a tight-knit dressing room for a year, 288 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.419 but then you move on and you lose touch with boys. 289 00:11:29.539 --> 00:11:32.629 So when I was over there, we kept in touch 290 00:11:32.669 --> 00:11:33.169 all the time. 291 00:11:33.269 --> 00:11:34.509 He's like, you get me a move, you get me 292 00:11:34.549 --> 00:11:37.970 a move, I'm driving. Go over there, I can sell here. 293 00:11:38.090 --> 00:11:39.769 So then on my days off, I used to go 294 00:11:39.789 --> 00:11:42.470 up to the market stalls and just say, I was 295 00:11:42.490 --> 00:11:44.519 on my own, I was just like, looking about, and 296 00:11:44.539 --> 00:11:46.320 then I was like, listen, I've got t-shirts here, how 297 00:11:46.340 --> 00:11:48.110 about I just buy some on the market and send 298 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:49.690 them back to you? I think you were at Ross 299 00:11:49.710 --> 00:11:51.669 County at the time, and I was sending them to you. 300 00:11:51.690 --> 00:11:53.309 You were sending me, and I sent them to the 301 00:11:53.330 --> 00:11:55.330 changing room, and put them on eBay, and we were 302 00:11:55.350 --> 00:11:57.340 doing really well for them. And then obviously the guy, 303 00:11:57.370 --> 00:11:58.870 the guy, and then the guy was. 304 00:11:58.929 --> 00:11:59.570 Have you. 305 00:11:59.409 --> 00:12:01.080 Already spoken about clothing before this, though? 306 00:12:01.100 --> 00:12:05.220 I was just looking at you. Clothes, probably more than me. 307 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:06.679 You were into more brands. 308 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:09.279 I was more into brands, and I

liked, I always 309 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.259 liked fashion, always was into that, so... When we were 310 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:15.039 sending stuff back to you, it was like selling so fast. 311 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:16.879 The guy that was buying the stuff off was an 312 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.669 Italian guy who had his own wee market stall set up. 313 00:12:19.710 --> 00:12:20.830 He says, why did you not start your own brand? 314 00:12:20.850 --> 00:12:23.110 Was he not supplying like DC10? Yeah, he was. 315 00:12:22.950 --> 00:12:25.809 Supplying the merch stuff for all the clubs in Ibiza. 316 00:12:26.289 --> 00:12:28.149 So he was like, listen, I can do this and that. 317 00:12:28.610 --> 00:12:30.429 I'll do the labels, the packaging. 318 00:12:30.450 --> 00:12:31.870 Do you want it? I'll help out. 319 00:12:32.370 --> 00:12:34.309 He says, we can start really small. We'll start with 320 00:12:34.330 --> 00:12:37.529 like 100 pieces. And we're just trying. Within two weeks, 321 00:12:37.549 --> 00:12:38.049 we'd sold it. 322 00:12:38.379 --> 00:12:40.340 I think we called it Be Inspired because we had 323 00:12:40.379 --> 00:12:43.100 no design background or anything so we were trying to 324 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:44.940 inspire people to sort of design for us so we 325 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:46.899 came up with an idea of like if you design 326 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:49.399 we'll run a competition every month and the winner will 327 00:12:49.419 --> 00:12:51.679 make 100 pieces they get 25 to sell to their 328 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:53.639 friends and family and we'll keep 75 and sell on 329 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.440 the website but we made like these four designs and 330 00:12:56.460 --> 00:12:58.779 they were awful we designed them on our phones it 331 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:00.500 was all pixelated I've still got a couple in my 332 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:04.409 house but my boy was like I can't print them 333 00:13:04.470 --> 00:13:06.809 so he helped us as well so we released four 334 00:13:06.850 --> 00:13:09.600 to start with and like we probably used boys like 335 00:13:09.620 --> 00:13:13.240 Scott Brown Charlie Mulgrew Stephen Nesmith James McCarthy it was 336 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:15.419 a Hamilton he sent them stuff and they put it 337 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:17.149 on their Facebook at the time and like in a 338 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:17.929 week we'd sold. 339 00:13:17.789 --> 00:13:20.529 Out of a hundred it was like influencer marketing before 340 00:13:20.549 --> 00:13:23.230 it was a thing and we'd kind of like moved 341 00:13:23.289 --> 00:13:25.700 away for like help getting other people to help design 342 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:28.720 we were just banging out average designs on our phone. 343 00:13:28.740 --> 00:13:30.980 It was the very early days of like Instagram and 344 00:13:31.299 --> 00:13:32.320 Twitter and Facebook and stuff like that. 345 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:34.100 It probably helped you from

your background in football with 346 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:35.820 the network though because that was. 347 00:13:35.740 --> 00:13:37.879 Your platform to get through. Definitely. 348 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.539 I remember even like people like we had a hoodie 349 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:41.139 come in we gave it to Anthony Stokes and he 350 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:42.740 put it on and we sold like 20 that night. 351 00:13:42.820 --> 00:13:44.940 I mean just the wee things like that definitely helped 352 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:46.179 us in the beginning. Yeah. 353 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:49.139 And where do you develop it from there when you 354 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:49.740 come back home? 355 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:49.899 Right. 356 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:52.919 Came back, signed for briefing. The two of us were 357 00:13:52.940 --> 00:13:55.659 kind of managing like three or so. We'd be inspired 358 00:13:55.700 --> 00:13:58.830 like a Sunday night, Wednesday night, Friday night. 359 00:13:59.210 --> 00:14:02.429 And then we would work. We were working on recruitment. 360 00:14:02.450 --> 00:14:05.669 We'd walk in the town from the Got New Gorbals 361 00:14:05.789 --> 00:14:08.070 every day, working Monday to Friday. And then we were 362 00:14:08.090 --> 00:14:10.539 playing our part in football Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. So our 363 00:14:10.580 --> 00:14:12.759 full week was just consumed just like trying to earn 364 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:15.159 as much money as I could. We never earned enough 365 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:16.970 money in our careers that you can go, right, I'm 366 00:14:16.990 --> 00:14:17.750 just going to retire. 367 00:14:17.769 --> 00:14:19.590 I don't think there's a lot of people in Scotland. No, 368 00:14:19.590 --> 00:14:20.649 there's just not. 369 00:14:20.710 --> 00:14:23.750 I remember just speaking about being inspired all the way 370 00:14:23.769 --> 00:14:26.009 to work in the morning and then at lunchtime, I'd 371 00:14:26.029 --> 00:14:28.080 be at the post office just spending my whole lunch 372 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.419 sending out stuff and then we'd be speaking about walking 373 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:31.759 back and it was good. 374 00:14:31.820 --> 00:14:32.899 It was good. I'm a little bit used to it. 375 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.259 Football network obviously grow the brand but there's still so 376 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:38.320 much hard work that goes on behind it people didn't 377 00:14:38.340 --> 00:14:40.659 see it maybe you think you're lucky you maybe play 378 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:42.960 football you can tap into who you know and stuff 379 00:14:42.980 --> 00:14:45.279 like that but without the like you say posting stuff 380 00:14:45.379 --> 00:14:48.860 like that and working every night of the week just 381 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.909 to earn a living it's like people didn't see that 382 00:14:53.590 --> 00:14:57.370 but the first three I'd probably say the first eight 383 00:14:57.409

--> 00:15:00.149 years was just chaos it was just organised chaos just 384 00:15:00.169 --> 00:15:03.210 going from would have the stock room my bedroom was 385 00:15:03.230 --> 00:15:06.669 basically at Mark's flat was my was the stock room 386 00:15:06.850 --> 00:15:09.289 so basically I was double bedding and his wee dog 387 00:15:09.330 --> 00:15:11.269 Bailey would just run in amongst all the stock and 388 00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:13.639 I had it just like t-shirts and hoodies along the 389 00:15:13.659 --> 00:15:16.679 side of the bed we still got photos and stuff. 390 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.519 Like that so the first few years was wild I 391 00:15:18.539 --> 00:15:21.120 think it went from like 130 grand to like 500 392 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.200 grand to like was it like a million and then 393 00:15:23.220 --> 00:15:25.679 like three million seven eleven do you know what I 394 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:27.320 mean it was just like I mean didn't he really 395 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:29.320 know what what What was going on? 396 00:15:29.340 --> 00:15:31.539 We were just trying to steer the ship. 397 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:34.179 At one point in 2018, the turnover in the business 398 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:35.279 was £ 14. 399 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:36.679 5 million. And then there was also. 400 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:40.070 £ 3 million in ASOS and foot asylum orders. 401 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:42.330 So don't get me wrong. 402 00:15:42.350 --> 00:15:45.230 For two boys that had come out of football, obviously 403 00:15:45.370 --> 00:15:48.149 we knew what we were doing, but business-wise, probably. 404 00:15:48.169 --> 00:15:50.850 There was so much turnover and buying stock. 405 00:15:51.250 --> 00:15:54.100 If somebody had come alongside us with a financial brain 406 00:15:54.669 --> 00:15:57.399 who knew the figures straight off the bat, it would 407 00:15:57.419 --> 00:15:59.740 have been a massive help for probably the next. 408 00:16:00.940 --> 00:16:01.879 Five to 10 years. 409 00:16:01.980 --> 00:16:04.460 Unfortunately, like we did have a, we brought in a 410 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.259 finance director and he kind of got it to a place, 411 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:09.500 but there was so many like variables in that, like 412 00:16:09.779 --> 00:16:13.809 Brexit and COVID that you have to navigate through. And 413 00:16:13.830 --> 00:16:16.470 then we pulled down the accounts, which looking back, we 414 00:16:16.490 --> 00:16:17.110 maybe shouldn't have. 415 00:16:17.129 --> 00:16:19.610 There's just so many variables. But then obviously Brexit and 416 00:16:19.649 --> 00:16:22.169 COVID happened. So you don't, you don't, it's hard. There's 417 00:16:22.230 --> 00:16:22.649 lots of it. 418 00:16:22.690 --> 00:16:24.590 Like see for the first sort of, Four or five years, 419 00:16:24.620 --> 00:16:26.610 it was just kind of smooth sailing. Then obviously all 420 00:16:26.629 --> 00:16:27.450 these things happened. 421 00:16:27.470 --> 00:16:29.549 We could have printed the brand on a cup and 422 00:16:29.570 --> 00:16:30.909 we'd have sold like $ 500. 423 00:16:30.669 --> 00:16:33.769 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just like, that's how crazy 424 00:16:33.789 --> 00:16:34.049 it was. 425 00:16:34.190 --> 00:16:38.620 It wasn't successful. So you opened a shop as well. 426 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:39.659 Was that after COVID? 427 00:16:39.899 --> 00:16:43.100 That was further. Our first pop-up shop was just before COVID. 428 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:44.399 Was that the one that was in? The one in 429 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:46.759 Princess Square. Princess Square, yeah. It was just before COVID. 430 00:16:46.779 --> 00:16:48.500 We took a little bit of staff to shop, didn't we? 431 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:50.870 And we took it for a three, four month period. 432 00:16:50.909 --> 00:16:52.620 And it had done really well, but then COVID hit. 433 00:16:53.230 --> 00:16:55.110 So then that kind of just, right, we just have 434 00:16:55.129 --> 00:16:57.769 to pull everything in and tighten up the budget and 435 00:16:57.789 --> 00:17:01.259 stuff like that. So we kind of go back into shops. 436 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:02.519 It was such a weird time, wasn't it? 437 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.660 We had, like, Skella and staff and, like, we had 438 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:06.599 a big warehouse, which was probably too big, but it 439 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.000 kind of helped because people could sort of, like, almost 440 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:11.730 isolate work as well. So, like, the warehouse is that big, 441 00:17:11.740 --> 00:17:13.900 they don't have to go near each other, still pick 442 00:17:13.940 --> 00:17:14.359 and pack. 443 00:17:14.509 --> 00:17:16.450 But, yeah, it was just... Yeah, what comes with that? 444 00:17:16.470 --> 00:17:19.509 Did you tell yourself today what to do, like you 445 00:17:19.549 --> 00:17:20.529 know now? 446 00:17:20.930 --> 00:17:21.990 I think just maybe getting somebody. 447 00:17:22.460 --> 00:17:25.539 Financially, obviously we know a lot more about that now, 448 00:17:25.579 --> 00:17:27.220 but at that time, it was just we didn't really 449 00:17:27.259 --> 00:17:28.220 have any structure in the business. 450 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:29.599 We were just buying stuff and selling it. 451 00:17:29.619 --> 00:17:31.700 We never had any business knowledge of what we were doing. 452 00:17:31.740 --> 00:17:33.559 We were just buying stuff and selling it. 453 00:17:33.740 --> 00:17:35.839 Yeah, that's exactly what I was finding. You feed off 454 00:17:35.859 --> 00:17:37.059 the buzz, it's like scoring a goal. 455 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:38.539 When you get a sale, it's like scoring a goal, 456 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:41.579 but there's so many things to get that sale and 457 00:17:41.619 --> 00:17:43.579 that score, that goal. There's so much build-up play that 458 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:47.210 you don't see along the way. It's like spending money 459

00:17:47.250 --> 00:17:47.670 on marketing. 460 00:17:47.690 --> 00:17:49.569 Like margins, marketing, overheads. 461 00:17:51.180 --> 00:17:57.440 I was at one of your events. That's right. You offered, 462 00:17:57.650 --> 00:17:58.829 was it 10k to the winners? 463 00:17:58.849 --> 00:18:02.430 Yeah, and we did 10k to charity as well. 464 00:18:02.589 --> 00:18:05.789 It was a 10k budget and then there was like 465 00:18:05.809 --> 00:18:08.970 a thousand pound each for the winners, each player. And 466 00:18:09.009 --> 00:18:10.910 then there was three grand. 467 00:18:10.950 --> 00:18:11.950 We thought we were shoo-ins. 468 00:18:11.970 --> 00:18:13.509 You just got to the final, didn't you? 469 00:18:13.589 --> 00:18:14.089 No, we never. 470 00:18:14.579 --> 00:18:17.579 Hi guys, as you probably well know by now, we 471 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:22.759 have signed up for the London Marathon next April and 472 00:18:22.779 --> 00:18:26.079 we have some fantastic people supporting us, groups supporting us, 473 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:27.880 we're doing it for a fantastic cause, or. 474 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:29.019 Two causes, who are we doing it for? 475 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.400 We're doing it for Headway UK and the Concilium Sports Foundation. 476 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.619 Yep, so we're going to have some updated videos of 477 00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:40.640 our progress and our training and everything else that it 478 00:18:40.660 --> 00:18:43.789 takes to get us over the line He's emphasised that 479 00:18:43.849 --> 00:18:44.789 time doesn't matter. 480 00:18:45.049 --> 00:18:46.170 Doesn't matter. 481 00:18:46.730 --> 00:18:47.859 As long as we complete it. 482 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:53.619 There'll be a link in the bio for any charity donations. 483 00:18:53.940 --> 00:18:55.359 We're going to be raising as much money as we 484 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:58.519 can over the next period of time. Our training starts 485 00:18:58.619 --> 00:19:02.589 very soon. And yeah, look forward to some updates on here. 486 00:19:02.829 --> 00:19:04.980 Hopefully no injuries. Did you not ever? 487 00:19:05.220 --> 00:19:07.519 No. You got beat by the winners? We got beat 488 00:19:07.579 --> 00:19:08.660 off the Scotland. 489 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:09.079 Aye. 490 00:19:09.099 --> 00:19:11.809 Aye, the Scotland. The football team, aye. They used to 491 00:19:11.829 --> 00:19:12.769 go to Dubai and play and stuff. 492 00:19:12.809 --> 00:19:14.329 So we played in the group. There was four in 493 00:19:14.349 --> 00:19:16.170 the group, if I remember rightly. And we beat them 494 00:19:16.430 --> 00:19:19.730 in the group. And then we played a younger team 495 00:19:19.910 --> 00:19:20.789 in the next round. 496 00:19:20.829 --> 00:19:22.069 Wow, that's brilliant. 497 00:19:22.130 --> 00:19:24.519 I think the Clans were fighting the referee at one point. 498 00:19:24.539 --> 00:19:26.259 That's actually brilliant. 499 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:28.200 So we

beat a young team in the next round. 500 00:19:29.059 --> 00:19:31.839 And then we were drawn against the football team in 501 00:19:31.859 --> 00:19:34.279 the quarters or the semis. We had normally you wouldn't 502 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:37.980 meet them again until the final and the day was 503 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.119 taking its toll with us obviously the age and stuff 504 00:19:40.140 --> 00:19:42.200 but I remember the rules as well you could pass 505 00:19:42.220 --> 00:19:43.849 the ball back so I think they got their noses 506 00:19:43.890 --> 00:19:46.470 in front and just kept rolling it back so they 507 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:47.839 went on to win it didn't they yeah they did 508 00:19:47.859 --> 00:19:50.000 win it but it was a really that was they 509 00:19:50.019 --> 00:19:51.279 were good. 510 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:52.940 As well that video was actually on YouTube from the 511 00:19:52.980 --> 00:19:55.650 full day and besides. 512 00:19:55.289 --> 00:19:59.369 Adrian Slaney they had just started did they have open 513 00:19:59.390 --> 00:20:00.269 goal at that point. 514 00:20:00.069 --> 00:20:03.009 They had just started and then that was on the 515 00:20:03.029 --> 00:20:05.609 video yeah because we had like an after party all 516 00:20:05.630 --> 00:20:06.869 the guys we came with that was. 517 00:20:06.789 --> 00:20:08.549 Brilliant you just had a decent side didn't you we 518 00:20:08.569 --> 00:20:10.890 had a good side and honestly I think I was 519 00:20:10.930 --> 00:20:12.289 speaking to you I says what if we win it 520 00:20:12.309 --> 00:20:14.089 because we're obviously ex-pros. 521 00:20:13.609 --> 00:20:15.049 He says if you win it you get the money 522 00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:16.670 obviously me Charlie Miller Andy. 523 00:20:16.589 --> 00:20:17.089 McLaren eh. 524 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:24.950 Marvin Andrews he's a hard boy to get around at a. 525 00:20:24.890 --> 00:20:27.829 Five-a-side pitch Robbie Winters. 526 00:20:29.450 --> 00:20:32.220 There's a couple of other ones who's your goalie? I 527 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.099 don't know I can't remember the goalie somebody pulled him 528 00:20:34.140 --> 00:20:35.319 in for somewhere did. 529 00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:35.740 He let you down? 530 00:20:36.220 --> 00:20:39.460 No I couldn't even blame him They were good, that team. 531 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:39.880 They were. 532 00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:40.640 They were good. 533 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:41.519 Did they not go to. 534 00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:43.579 Dubai and play and win the tournament there? 535 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:46.230 I think they'd won a tournament in Dubai back. They 536 00:20:46.250 --> 00:20:47.849 all played together all the time, so they kind of, 537 00:20:48.049 --> 00:20:49.730 they knew their roles and what they were doing and 538 00:20:49.750 --> 00:20:50.589 how they played and stuff. 539 00:20:50.609 --> 00:20:51.750 We peaked beating them in the group. 540 00:20:51.970 --> 00:20:54.349 Ah, these were flying at that fight. That was a 541 00:20:54.349 --> 00:20:55.849 great day. That was good, to be fair. 542 00:20:55.869 --> 00:20:58.779 I think that was one thing that we learned that, as, say, 543 00:20:58.940 --> 00:21:02.279 from COVID onwards, we stopped doing these sort of events. 544 00:21:02.460 --> 00:21:05.940 These are like, they're like brand exercises, so everybody starts 545 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:07.539 to want to be involved in that. 546 00:21:07.990 --> 00:21:10.380 Whereas we probably flipped and just set the product. 547 00:21:10.450 --> 00:21:13.160 See, because the growth was so much early on, there 548 00:21:13.180 --> 00:21:14.900 was probably excess money to do things like that. 549 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:16.500 But then see when it sort of leveled off. 550 00:21:16.460 --> 00:21:17.920 And we were sort of doing like 10 mil a year, 551 00:21:17.940 --> 00:21:22.079 like regularly, then we were like pulling money out of 552 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:23.839 things to put it, like our overheads were probably too 553 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:25.869 high at that point. And it's something that you learn 554 00:21:25.910 --> 00:21:28.470 in business as we went on. But like, because the overhead, 555 00:21:28.490 --> 00:21:29.950 we were pulling out of bits that were actually making 556 00:21:29.970 --> 00:21:32.650 the brand better. So we weren't doing these like sponsorships 557 00:21:32.809 --> 00:21:34.650 or we weren't doing events or we weren't sponsoring, like 558 00:21:34.690 --> 00:21:36.130 we'd sponsored Ocean Beach. 559 00:21:35.869 --> 00:21:36.849 And, Things like that. 560 00:21:36.950 --> 00:21:39.410 Did you just go anywhere with likes at events? 561 00:21:39.450 --> 00:21:40.390 Did you just go abroad? 562 00:21:40.430 --> 00:21:42.450 Yeah, we were done. We would do photo shoots. 563 00:21:42.470 --> 00:21:44.730 We'd do photo shoots in Tokyo and New York and 564 00:21:44.750 --> 00:21:47.329 Chicago and they just made the brand look amazing. 565 00:21:47.470 --> 00:21:48.849 So even things like that, we pulled out of them 566 00:21:48.890 --> 00:21:52.009 a wee bit because we spent like 20 grand going 567 00:21:52.029 --> 00:21:53.779 to Japan or something to do a photo shoot. Do 568 00:21:53.819 --> 00:21:55.779 you know what I mean? But it actually made the 569 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:58.599 brand look amazing. I think that's kind of the normal budget. 570 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:00.180 But what we were doing is we were buying so 571 00:22:00.220 --> 00:22:03.160 much stock and putting it in a warehouse at Kenan 572 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:07.470 Park that was about 35 grand a month rent. 65,000 573 00:22:07.470 --> 00:22:10.049 square feet it was like and you just it just 574 00:22:10.069 --> 00:22:13.240 wasn't sustainable because as soon as the market dropped then 575 00:22:13.259 --> 00:22:14.400 you're like I've got this big warehouse. 576 00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:16.099 What am I

going to do it was more like 577 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:17.339 we kind of again I. 578 00:22:17.579 --> 00:22:20.130 Was learning but like we were kind of building our 579 00:22:20.150 --> 00:22:24.279 business around October November December so like if you had 580 00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:26.160 that turnover all the time we had a good business 581 00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:28.609 but then we weren't thinking about January, February, March and 582 00:22:28.619 --> 00:22:30.970 then you kind of have to build it around. 583 00:22:30.829 --> 00:22:34.210 That time and then you peak and it's on top almost. 584 00:22:34.049 --> 00:22:35.950 And we probably wouldn't be doing that in the early 585 00:22:35.970 --> 00:22:38.950 years of Beats without actually realising we were doing it 586 00:22:38.970 --> 00:22:42.089 so we had a small warehouse in Camus Lang and 587 00:22:42.130 --> 00:22:44.670 the guys Callum MacDonald do you know Callum? Callum played 588 00:22:44.690 --> 00:22:48.869 for Dundee with me we brought. 589 00:22:47.990 --> 00:22:52.039 A lot of part time footballers in didn't we Sean 590 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:59.000 Dixon Brian Wharton Brian was in Morgan Neil came over to. 591 00:22:58.779 --> 00:23:02.180 Work so it was a good we tried to create 592 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:06.059 that dressing room culture and be inspired in the first 593 00:23:06.420 --> 00:23:08.680 eight years it was probably like that so Callum would 594 00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:10.480 come in in the morning and with a forklift, and 595 00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:12.640 there was actually no space in the warehouse, and we'd 596 00:23:12.660 --> 00:23:15.839 just be removing stock, putting it outside, covering it with 597 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:17.519 tarpaulin in the middle of winter, just so they could 598 00:23:17.539 --> 00:23:19.279 have a bit of space to work. And we would 599 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:22.539 then come out of that Christmas with loads of excess cash, 600 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.480 because the overheads were low, and we were packing orders still, 601 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.539 and it definitely made the business feel like it was 602 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:31.960 going somewhere at that point, and that's something we've probably 603 00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:33.309 learned going forward. 604 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:35.569 I suppose a good thing now is you've learned from 605 00:23:35.970 --> 00:23:38.460 the new one, isn't that right? you're just a bit 606 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:40.690 more excited about what you can do. 607 00:23:40.589 --> 00:23:44.589 About it definitely definitely should be good everybody wants good 608 00:23:44.630 --> 00:23:45.519 golf gear as. 609 00:23:45.470 --> 00:23:48.140 Well well golf's so massive now isn't it I mean 610 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:49.680 I think obviously as you get to a certain age 611 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:53.019 as well I think it's I talk about playing football, 612 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:55.069 but I play

football on a Saturday or Friday night. 613 00:23:55.509 --> 00:23:57.750 I'm in bits until Tuesday. Do you know what I mean? 614 00:23:57.769 --> 00:24:00.269 Whereas you play golf, it's not as bad. It's easier 615 00:24:00.329 --> 00:24:02.569 on your body. So I think it kind of replaces 616 00:24:02.609 --> 00:24:04.299 that competitive edge for a lot of people that maybe 617 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:05.160 do play sport and. 618 00:24:05.099 --> 00:24:05.900 Get a bit older. 619 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:07.819 The new brand, is it purely golf? 620 00:24:08.420 --> 00:24:10.220 It's kind of golf lifestyle, I'd say. 621 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.190 So I'd They want it to be like something you 622 00:24:12.230 --> 00:24:14.369 can wear on the course, but also like if you 623 00:24:14.710 --> 00:24:16.630 turned up to like for a coffee or going out 624 00:24:16.690 --> 00:24:18.730 and about, you'd look smart and it's not going to 625 00:24:18.769 --> 00:24:19.069 have loads of. 626 00:24:19.069 --> 00:24:20.410 It's like on the course, off the course. 627 00:24:20.450 --> 00:24:20.759 Yeah, yeah. 628 00:24:20.779 --> 00:24:22.640 It's like a proper golf lifestyle brand. 629 00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:25.700 There's a few brands that we like to wear across 630 00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:28.000 like golf that you can wear and maybe go and 631 00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:29.660 shop in or go for a coffee. 632 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:31.220 Yeah, so go and travel. 633 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:31.779 Paddle as well. 634 00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:32.619 Are we getting to paddle? 635 00:24:32.829 --> 00:24:35.869 Yeah, yeah. I've been playing a wee bit back. I'm 636 00:24:35.890 --> 00:24:37.089 more into golf to be fair. 637 00:24:37.109 --> 00:24:39.569 So if we're going to kind of go down that 638 00:24:39.630 --> 00:24:41.730 route and... a lot of the content will be focused 639 00:24:41.809 --> 00:24:42.630 around that. 640 00:24:42.829 --> 00:24:44.829 So when's that sort of kicking off then? 641 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.359 We've obviously started the content and things like that. We've 642 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:50.339 got samples in place. We've placed our first order. 643 00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:51.980 So we're just going to start small and just build 644 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:52.559 it up from there. 645 00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:54.720 You've got Craig Watson modelling again. 646 00:24:54.740 --> 00:24:56.140 Yeah, yeah. How did you know Craig? 647 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:56.980 Did you play with Craig? 648 00:24:57.460 --> 00:25:00.970 I coached him with my kids. I knew him years ago. 649 00:25:01.009 --> 00:25:02.009 Oh, for their prime soccer? 650 00:25:02.849 --> 00:25:06.190 Before that as well. My first boys team coming through, Giffnock. 651 00:25:06.349 --> 00:25:07.430 He was involved with that. 652 00:25:07.470 --> 00:25:08.690 He's a great lad. He is a good lad. Yeah. 653 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:11.640 I think, I don't know if we just sort of 654 00:25:11.660 --> 00:25:13.700 seen him on socials and then reached out to him 655 00:25:13.829 --> 00:25:15.430 and when we were at Be Inspired we liked to 656 00:25:15.529 --> 00:25:17.809 use like football, like we kind of liked to keep 657 00:25:17.829 --> 00:25:19.349 it involved in football so all the names were like 658 00:25:19.470 --> 00:25:21.930 football players and then we were using the boy Tom 659 00:25:21.950 --> 00:25:24.869 Lang so he played for Rafe Lovers and he was 660 00:25:24.910 --> 00:25:26.410 at Rangers when he was younger so we used him 661 00:25:26.450 --> 00:25:28.049 as a model and then we brought Craig in as 662 00:25:28.089 --> 00:25:29.490 a model and we just like to sort of keep that, 663 00:25:30.009 --> 00:25:32.309 keep it sort of in Scotland as well and then 664 00:25:32.490 --> 00:25:34.799 he's become quite good pals now so I play golf 665 00:25:34.819 --> 00:25:37.519 with him as well actually, good lad and we're going 666 00:25:37.539 --> 00:25:39.559 to try and use him for Cairn as well. 667 00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:43.480 Where did you come up with the name? 668 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:45.720 Well, we were just looking, first and foremost, I wanted 669 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:47.619 something that sort of had a nod to Scotland because 670 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.950 it's kind of where we're from without being like Scottish. 671 00:25:50.150 --> 00:25:52.210 Do you know what I mean? So it appeals to everyone. 672 00:25:52.710 --> 00:25:55.009 And then because of sort of what happened with the 673 00:25:55.029 --> 00:25:56.809 way sort of Be Inspired ended, it felt as though 674 00:25:56.829 --> 00:25:58.170 we were just in a bit. 675 00:25:58.150 --> 00:25:59.069 Of a pile of rubble. 676 00:25:59.589 --> 00:26:01.589 And then Cairn means like a pile of stones that 677 00:26:01.630 --> 00:26:03.970 sort of like leads the way. So I thought it 678 00:26:03.990 --> 00:26:05.950 was quite apt. And then we put the two I's 679 00:26:06.009 --> 00:26:08.930 in it just to sort of signify being rubble. sort 680 00:26:08.950 --> 00:26:10.150 of standing together. 681 00:26:09.910 --> 00:26:12.789 So when did you finish with the Be Inspired stuff then. 682 00:26:13.170 --> 00:26:17.240 Well it's like last November Be Inspired went into administration 683 00:26:17.259 --> 00:26:21.819 and then the new owners bought out of administration and 684 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.960 me and Stephen worked as consultants until. 685 00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:29.430 About two months ago yeah June July time so we 686 00:26:29.450 --> 00:26:32.069 worked and helped him get it sort of built up 687 00:26:32.109 --> 00:26:32.569 a wee bit. 688 00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:36.140 I would say yeah I would say it was tough 689 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:40.319 on a daily basis it was probably tough like because 690 00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:43.000 it's yours yeah so it's like something we'd built up 691 00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.390 for years I actually

quite enjoyed after being like less 692 00:26:46.410 --> 00:26:49.390 stressed aye I was so chaotic for so many years 693 00:26:49.769 --> 00:26:52.490 came straight out of football with no break I think 694 00:26:52.549 --> 00:26:54.369 it was it was the last Christmas was the first 695 00:26:54.410 --> 00:26:56.589 time I'd ever had a Christmas New Year off ever 696 00:26:57.049 --> 00:27:00.369 because even retail you've got to like Boxing Day just 697 00:27:00.410 --> 00:27:03.519 before Christmas and Boxing Day is just the busiest time i. 698 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:05.720 Think going through administration was horrible as well when i 699 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:10.059 was like horrible because you that's fear on the own 700 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:11.920 as well you don't really know what's going on obviously 701 00:27:11.940 --> 00:27:14.279 we got dragged into a few things or like personal 702 00:27:14.299 --> 00:27:16.680 stuff as well so it's like that was a horrible 703 00:27:16.740 --> 00:27:19.880 period um and then to be fair the guy we 704 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.279 worked and he probably helped us get on an even 705 00:27:22.299 --> 00:27:25.410 keel uh sort of sort of settle ourselves down a 706 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.759 little bit but I think the. 707 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.680 Long term plan was never going to be us involved 708 00:27:30.740 --> 00:27:32.180 and I think he knew that as well. 709 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.369 Was your ambition to grow it and then sell it? 710 00:27:36.619 --> 00:27:39.309 Probably not and that's probably where we went wrong. That 711 00:27:39.329 --> 00:27:40.230 was our biggest downfall. 712 00:27:40.250 --> 00:27:42.769 We had people looking to invest and we had people 713 00:27:42.789 --> 00:27:45.730 looking to maybe take parts of it over the time but. 714 00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:47.460 We were like, oh, we want to keep this going 715 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.079 for like 20 years and be a legacy. 716 00:27:49.099 --> 00:27:53.779 I think the fact that, obviously, it sounds indefinitely, you 717 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.579 exploded onto the scene with Be Inspired. Do you think 718 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.660 that's worked against you because it's harder to manage the 719 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:02.559 fact that you get so big so quickly? 720 00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:05.089 Yeah, I think so. I think it probably. 721 00:28:05.809 --> 00:28:07.930 grew arms and legs before we even knew what would 722 00:28:07.950 --> 00:28:09.529 happen do you know what I mean and whereas if 723 00:28:09.589 --> 00:28:11.130 it had maybe been a bit more steady growth we 724 00:28:11.150 --> 00:28:12.920 would have learned more along the way because. 725 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:14.599 We were working in the business on a daily basis 726 00:28:14.619 --> 00:28:16.980 you didn't you actually didn't see the whole overall picture 727 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:17.460 so for. 728 00:28:17.420 --> 00:28:19.079 Like

the first like four or five years we were 729 00:28:19.099 --> 00:28:20.859 probably working from like seven in the morning to like 730 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.059 eleven at night do you know what I mean just 731 00:28:22.180 --> 00:28:23.880 every day just writing about it do you know what 732 00:28:23.900 --> 00:28:25.700 I mean not really knowing what's going on around you 733 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:27.319 you were just whereas. 734 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.380 Like maybe we it did definitely lead on a bit 735 00:28:29.420 --> 00:28:31.809 like burnout yeah even like up to like two years 736 00:28:31.849 --> 00:28:32.609 ago the two. 737 00:28:32.509 --> 00:28:35.049 Of us were just and that's probably why we brought 738 00:28:35.069 --> 00:28:37.289 the people in to help us and it didn't really 739 00:28:37.329 --> 00:28:38.829 go the way we wanted it to do you mean 740 00:28:39.269 --> 00:28:41.609 just because we needed a we needed a step back 741 00:28:41.670 --> 00:28:43.450 of being like like we've been in this for a 742 00:28:43.490 --> 00:28:46.769 long time like i said my my marriage broke down 743 00:28:46.849 --> 00:28:48.869 probably because of a lot of things to do with 744 00:28:48.890 --> 00:28:51.130 being inspired do you mean and it just it probably 745 00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:54.809 consumed our lives for like 10 years so obviously we 746 00:28:54.849 --> 00:28:56.849 looked at maybe bringing somebody in and i think the. 747 00:28:56.890 --> 00:28:59.630 One lesson that would take into the next new brand 748 00:28:59.779 --> 00:29:02.700 is basically like you don't need to chase and push 749 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.750 for like a mad turnover of money because it's just vanity. 750 00:29:05.970 --> 00:29:06.430 Yeah, yeah. 751 00:29:06.450 --> 00:29:10.109 It's like, can you sustain a lifestyle that you want 752 00:29:10.130 --> 00:29:11.829 to be? And I think that's why we've chose golf 753 00:29:11.869 --> 00:29:13.890 because that's kind of been our get out for the 754 00:29:13.950 --> 00:29:15.170 last maybe 10 months. 755 00:29:15.190 --> 00:29:18.470 Is that actually right? Yeah, a million percent. 756 00:29:18.549 --> 00:29:21.180 And even like last year when things weren't going well, 757 00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:24.279 like the people we'd hired to put in the business, 758 00:29:24.339 --> 00:29:26.779 they were quite like, no, you just go and, we've 759 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.539 got everyone taken care of, but it was a lot 760 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:30.160 different than that. 761 00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:30.859 Yeah, yeah. 762 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.690 Just, so is it to put it online then with 763 00:29:33.710 --> 00:29:36.200 the new stuff or are we going into shops as well. 764 00:29:36.029 --> 00:29:38.390 We've got like a whole business plan yeah we've got 765 00:29:38.490 --> 00:29:41.319 an idea so like I think initially we'd start online 766 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.759 because that's what we know and what we feel is 767 00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:45.579 we're quite good at and we can get it out 768 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.140 there but we'd like to try and get it in 769 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:51.380 sort of pro shops there's not many independent retailers around 770 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.579 the country like JD and Foot Asylum and then all 771 00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:56.420 the independent ones sort of struggle on the high street 772 00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:58.720 whereas like every golf course has got a pro shop 773 00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:00.240 you know what I mean so If we can get 774 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.880 into a few pro shops around the country, that'd be successful. 775 00:30:02.900 --> 00:30:05.269 Every pro shop's got facilities right next to it, so 776 00:30:05.309 --> 00:30:07.170 if guys finish on the course and go to the 777 00:30:07.190 --> 00:30:08.509 pro shop, they can go, well, I haven't gone out 778 00:30:08.549 --> 00:30:11.109 this afternoon. You can pick up a pair of trousers 779 00:30:11.170 --> 00:30:13.089 and a quarter zip or a polo shirt or a t-shirt. 780 00:30:13.109 --> 00:30:15.450 It's also suitable to be playing golf as well, but 781 00:30:15.470 --> 00:30:16.670 you can also go out on it as well. 782 00:30:16.710 --> 00:30:18.319 So that's kind of like a bit of a hybrid 783 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.339 approach if we can do that. That's our plan, so 784 00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:21.779 we'll just see how it goes. Something a bit different 785 00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.500 as well. I don't see many of this. So where 786 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.640 is all this stuff? Where do you. 787 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:27.119 Source it from? 788 00:30:27.619 --> 00:30:30.269 Sourced it from China just now still yeah China I 789 00:30:30.289 --> 00:30:30.650 was going to. 790 00:30:30.619 --> 00:30:32.829 Head over that big guy in the stall no I 791 00:30:32.849 --> 00:30:34.609 don't do you know what I still keep in touch 792 00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:35.950 with him I still keep in touch. 793 00:30:35.869 --> 00:30:38.450 With him good guy he actually does a lot of 794 00:30:38.470 --> 00:30:41.450 work for Puma and champion them so he's growing it's 795 00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:43.670 been good to see him grow over the years so 796 00:30:43.849 --> 00:30:45.789 he was just a wee stall just a wee tiny 797 00:30:45.930 --> 00:30:50.049 stall in a big multi-storey building wild how people's lives 798 00:30:50.109 --> 00:30:52.130 progress with business so aye. 799 00:30:53.930 --> 00:30:56.089 You were doing what was the thing I've seen online 800 00:30:56.109 --> 00:30:58.490 you were doing some sort of competition for part of 801 00:30:58.509 --> 00:30:59.170 your launch so. 802 00:30:59.089 --> 00:31:02.509 Yes tomorrow actually so we've run a at Hags the 803 00:31:02.569 --> 00:31:05.769 castle the course I'm a member of they've agreed to 804 00:31:05.789 --> 00:31:08.789 sort of open sorry host an open sort of care

805 00:31:08.809 --> 00:31:12.079 and invitational day so we ran a competition to get 806 00:31:12.140 --> 00:31:14.200 people involved kind of wanted to create a community with 807 00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:15.980 it as well so it's not just like products selling 808 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.259 clothes we wanted to create like a sort of golf 809 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.680 sort of community for people yeah so it was like 810 00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:24.740 four winners and then they picked like a four ball 811 00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.660 sort of to the other people so we announced that 812 00:31:27.769 --> 00:31:30.309 on Sunday and everyone's sort of sorted now it's been 813 00:31:30.450 --> 00:31:33.569 a bit of back and forth people pulling out and 814 00:31:33.869 --> 00:31:35.630 not as easy as we would like to have got 815 00:31:35.630 --> 00:31:38.750 16 players but everyone's sorted now so the day's all 816 00:31:38.829 --> 00:31:40.230 organised looking forward to it got. 817 00:31:40.190 --> 00:31:42.650 A wee trophy in that got a trophy Andy Barman 818 00:31:42.859 --> 00:31:44.640 he donated a trophy. 819 00:31:44.339 --> 00:31:46.880 So he does like is it Soccer Shop Direct so 820 00:31:46.900 --> 00:31:49.160 he does like kids like strips and stuff like that 821 00:31:49.549 --> 00:31:51.569 So he's donated a trophy for us, helped us. 822 00:31:51.589 --> 00:31:54.470 We've got quite a few sponsors, actually. Like Aleph Goff, 823 00:31:54.490 --> 00:31:58.750 we've donated a floorball. Another business donated a gift voucher 824 00:31:58.769 --> 00:31:59.490 for Trendy Golf. 825 00:31:59.549 --> 00:32:03.450 Trendy Golf, aye. It's been quite good. It's been really amazing. 826 00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:06.130 I think we had so many people sign up for 827 00:32:06.150 --> 00:32:06.529 it as well. 828 00:32:07.029 --> 00:32:11.329 I think you'll get a spin-off, obviously, from being inspired 829 00:32:11.410 --> 00:32:13.630 as well. Because I was listening to your stuff, you're 830 00:32:13.650 --> 00:32:17.140 talking about age as well. We're all getting older, and 831 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.420 your fashion maybe... kind of coincides with getting older go. 832 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.460 For comfort more than well you'll get people. 833 00:32:24.259 --> 00:32:26.220 That were buying that be inspired that are obviously maybe 834 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:27.960 looking at something a wee bit different as well so 835 00:32:27.980 --> 00:32:29.529 you'll get a fall off it's. 836 00:32:29.529 --> 00:32:30.809 Kind of like what you're wearing it feels like see 837 00:32:30.829 --> 00:32:32.609 when you're a bit younger you kind of probably all 838 00:32:32.650 --> 00:32:35.049 of us like it's like very branded and then as 839 00:32:35.069 --> 00:32:36.529 you get older it kind of becomes a bit more 840 00:32:36.569 --> 00:32:38.250 plainer so it's kind of it's going to be have 841 00:32:38.269 --> 00:32:39.839 branding on it but it's going to be a cleaner 842 00:32:39.859 --> 00:32:41.819 sort of look so it sort of maybe stands the 843 00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.559 test of time so it's probably targeting more like 30 844 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.789 to 50 year olds that really like an active lifestyle 845 00:32:47.809 --> 00:32:49.390 it's a kind of mindset sort of thing isn't it 846 00:32:49.450 --> 00:32:51.930 age age doesn't really matter too much i think it's 847 00:32:51.950 --> 00:32:53.849 like that sort of active like you're still both very 848 00:32:53.869 --> 00:32:55.490 active do you know what i mean my young lad's 849 00:32:55.490 --> 00:32:57.059 19 and he tried on the samples and he came 850 00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:57.940 through and he went. 851 00:33:08.670 --> 00:33:11.970 Dad, I just feel like you in this. And he says, 852 00:33:11.990 --> 00:33:13.779 but I'll tell you what, I actually really like it. 853 00:33:13.809 --> 00:33:16.710 And that's coming from a 19-year-old who's like, I'll wear that. 854 00:33:17.089 --> 00:33:21.559 But even if our content and our audience is 30-plus, 855 00:33:21.619 --> 00:33:23.960 then it's good to have that younger audience actually saying. 856 00:33:23.980 --> 00:33:26.819 Well, I'll wear that as well. But we're not really 857 00:33:26.859 --> 00:33:29.339 pushing that golf thing. Brilliant. 858 00:33:31.430 --> 00:33:34.450 Well, guys, it's been really interesting. I think we'll finish 859 00:33:34.490 --> 00:33:37.990 with some recommendations. What we'd like to do is get 860 00:33:38.009 --> 00:33:40.569 you to recommend a film. I don't know if you've 861 00:33:40.589 --> 00:33:43.430 done any films. A song and an album for the 862 00:33:43.450 --> 00:33:43.990 next guest. 863 00:33:44.009 --> 00:33:45.069 Who does he watch films? 864 00:33:46.710 --> 00:33:48.990 We had Michael Stewart on who recommended a book. So 865 00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:51.019 we're going to start from scratch today. So can you 866 00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:55.259 give us a recommendation for a film for our next guest? 867 00:33:56.059 --> 00:33:58.140 A song and an album. You can split it between 868 00:33:58.160 --> 00:33:58.859 the two of you. 869 00:33:58.940 --> 00:33:59.859 A song and an album. 870 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:00.660 Well. 871 00:34:01.769 --> 00:34:04.049 Film. My favourite film is The Usual Suspects. 872 00:34:04.390 --> 00:34:04.829 Good film. 873 00:34:04.890 --> 00:34:07.210 I think, obviously, once you've seen it once, you've... Oh, right. 874 00:34:07.289 --> 00:34:08.550 But I think that's a great film. 875 00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:09.730 That is a great film. 876 00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:12.150 Loved that film. I fucking shit this stuff. 877 00:34:12.670 --> 00:34:13.030 Songs. 878 00:34:13.070 --> 00:34:14.289 He can help you out. Songs. 879 00:34:14.329 --> 00:34:18.409 I was in Ibiza recently. So I just like... I 880 00:34:18.449 --> 00:34:21.300 like dance tunes, so I still like house music and that. 881 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.139 So I went to... It was a DJ I'd not 882 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.079 seen before, Mal P. I went to see him at Pasha. 883 00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:30.170 He was class. Anything by him, really, then I'll... Come on, 884 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:31.099 wee man, you've got. 885 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.000 To give us something. 886 00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:36.219 There's a band, I'm not sure, I think the album's 887 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.650 called 3AM. It's Matchbox 20 from back in the day. 888 00:34:39.730 --> 00:34:41.210 I still listen to them in the car now and again. 889 00:34:41.489 --> 00:34:46.849 Very good. There's your three recommendations. Thanks again for coming in, guys. 890 00:34:46.889 --> 00:34:50.050 Wishes all the best with the new brand. And we 891 00:34:50.070 --> 00:34:52.250 might even get ourselves a wee... Ah, you'll get yourself 892 00:34:52.369 --> 00:34:53.300 a few days. 893 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:53.889 Top men, thanks again. 894 00:34:53.929 --> 00:34:54.139 Cheers. 895 00:34:54.380 --> 00:34:54.550 Cheers.