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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks. Cubs podcast. I forgot what I was doing there. I'm I'm Sharma with my.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure what we were talking about. Patrick. The Cubs salvaged a game out in Atlanta. They were struggling a little bit for a while, got shut down by some good pitching. Uh just scuffled in general on offense. But I think, you know, we we've talked about this offense comes and goes. The pitching showday, Minaga remains brilliant. Ben Brown. I mean, I there's there's watching him, there's looking at the numbers, there's the stuff. It seems like it's all coming together. I know it was only four we still need the full test of turnover a lineup three times, but right now his return to the rotation is just I mean, it's going so well, and it's coming at a time where the Cubs desperately need someone to step up in the rotation. Like I said, Showeda's been there all season. But this is a guy that you know, we've talked about for a couple of years now, you know, I believe if I'm remembering correctly, he started in the rotation last year and it didn't go so well and he got moved out, and he's been a huge piece of the bullpen. I mean, I was a little cautious about this, like, ed, do you want to move a guy that's so important to the bullpen? Right now? It's working out so well that I don't think you can really question it.
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Speaker 2: And understandably skeptical and this not everyone gets this many chances. And I think Ben Brown was kind of the classic spring training story because he's a really friendly dude, and he's extremely articulate, and he looks the part, and he does have a lot of backers in the organization, so you knew that they would kind of give him some runway. He just didn't know exactly what form or shape it would take. And you know, everyone's optimistic in Arizona. You know it's sunny. It was certainly hot this year, but it's usually you know, perfect perfect weather, perfect setting, working on stuff. Had a great offseason, but to his credit, he really applied everything and he would say that it took all of these experiences to get him to this point where, yeah, I mean he's awesome, and I think because he's had these stops and starts, we can't get too far ahead of ourselves. But this is also like what great seasons take of guys doing sort of unexpected things or overperforming, and he has certainly been a stabilizing force that they needed.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I want to see him turn over a lineup one more time, go get through the lineup a third time. That's not because he hasn't been doing well enough to do that. It's because you know, he isn't built up yet to do that. My guess is we're pretty close to seeing him do that as assuming he sticks in the rotation. But right now there's some things that look I don't know what came first. Did the confidence come first, or did the did the development of the other two pitches come and then that led to confidence? Probably it's kind of like it came together. He needed to get his head on straight and really like shake off any bad moments. There have been times where I'm like, huh, there's a walk and then a double is he going to fall apart? And he hasn't done that yet. We have not seen that the sinker is being used. I want to say, like twenty percent of the time, when last year his third pitch was used was a change up and was used less than five percent of the time. So he's using the change up more. It's over six percent now, and he's using the sinker twenty one point three percent, and then the four seam in the knuckler obviously he's go to knuckle curve is Obviously he's go to his go to pitches Era one point six whip at point eighty six. Like, the strikeout rate is high, the walk rate is low. Here's the biggest thing for me. He's missing barrels like he's not like he always struck guys out in he limited walks. What would happen is second or third time two through they were just sat on a pitch and then they hammered it. Now they can't do that anymore, and the hard contact is way down and that's leading to the confidence being way high. The results are awesome. Like you said, he's always had like supporters in the ORG, there's always been like this, Oh, if he can just figure it out, like he's got this nasty breaking ball. His velocity is actually up right now. That could be because he's been coming out of the bullpen, so we'll see how it is as he goes when they push him to six innings and whatnot. But this is this is a pretty big development for this year, and it feels like it's a potentially big development for the future of the team. We've talked about this a lot a lot of guys coming off of the books as far as starting rotation pieces. Matthew Boyd showed him Monaga Jamison ty Own those are right now the guy like, you know, two of those guys are holding things down and showed Jameson Tyon if you don't have them, like what where does this rotation? What does this rotation look like right now? Right? So huge pieces are are likely hitting agency and potentially leaving. This is a big development, especially with Jackson Wiggins hurt and you just don't know what his future is. You'd have loved to see him kind of take steps in the minors. That's not happening right now, so you need another piece of the and Kate Horton's hurt, so like there's no like future to hold on to when it comes to this rotation. So Ben Brown developing is just such a huge turn of events and kudos to him for really diving into what he needed to do in the off season and and he he came with a plan and he executed that plan, and it got some help from I believe Clay Holmes, and they they work together. And he doesn't have the same sinker. It doesn't sound like, but you know, I think how he uses it mentality that a lot of that stuff Clay Holmes helped with, and he's taking off. I mean, I don't know what we're
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Speaker 2: It's funny you talk about the twenty twenty seven rotation like I hadn't even thought that far ahead with Ben Brown, just because it has been the stops and starts that we've talked about here, but certainly has all the makings of a very nice major league starting pitcher. At the same time, there are people as recently as spring training, if not this latest round of roster delberations of hey, maybe his stuff just plays as a really valuable high leverage reliever. We'll see. I mean, at the rate Coubs pictures have been getting injured, I think that's another sort of like take what you can get right now. But you know, we just ran a whole mailbag on the athletic about what's with all these pitching injuries. In the same breath, we have to credit the Cubs for a lot of good a lot of resourcefulness on the pitching front, that they've been able to solve problems in real time and stick with certain guys such as Ben Brown.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you got to give him some credit there. I don't think this should drastically change trade deadline plans, but it does make it feel a little less like desperate. Just like, like, especially if before the deadline you see what Boyd and even Steel can do, I think you just feel less like, oh God, we have to get a guy, and it has to be impactful, Like it has to be hugely impactful. It can't just be a guy that eats innings. It has to be a guy that dominates. I mean, you still want them to go out and get the best players available, right, just go out and be aggressive and help the team, you know, get better. But it doesn't feel Ben Brown emergents could kind of lighten things and not make it feels as crazy. All right, Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about how they continue to like patch things together in a potential or in an actual addition that could potentially help. All Right, guys, I if you're like me, I know you're ready to get out of the house, get to some games. I'm going to John Mullaney this summer. That's gonna be fun. I'm gonna take my kids to a couple Cubs games and probably travel around the country and get to another ballpark knock one off our list. Which is why I want to give the sponsor of today's video, sea Geek, a huge shout out. With over thirty five million downloads, sea Geek is the number one rated ticketing app. There are more than seventy thousand events listed on sea Geek, including concerts, sports, festivals.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
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Speaker 1: The Cubs did make an addition, and it's you know, it's a bigger name. We'll see what sort of impact it is. But Liam Hendricks has been added to a minor league deal. Liam Hendricks obviously was one of the best closers in the game about five years ago. It has been a little while since he's been a dominant force out of the bullpen. But you know, this is a good dude. It sounds like hard worker, and he came to the Cubs because you felt there was not only an opportunity to get to the big leagues, but he kind of liked their plan and thought this was a place that could get the most out of him and get him to where he wants to be or potentially could be.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is intrinsically a long shot. I mean Hendricks didn't make a Minnesota Twins bullpen that it's not in great shape, and you know his VLLO wasn't blowing anyone away in spring trading, according to our the information we received. But at the same time, like you got to take chances. I think the Jed Hoyer just keep taking shots on goal approach and maybe a couple of them will go in. Before the Hendrick signing, I was talking a Cups first about this, and it's kind of like, you know, their their attitude is like you sign ten to fifteen guys and if one or two of them hit, you look like geniuses and no one remembers the other guys that didn't work out. But if you don't like everyone you know stares at the bullpen and points the finger when things don't go well late in games. And so you know, I'm dating myself here, but you remember this of you know, the Cubs have tried this over the years. I think, I mean Joe Nathan was on the twenty sixteen Cubs, the former Jeez, former Minnesota Twins closer, but then in twenty fifteen, I mean they just kept churning and found that really a really super random bullpen because I'm just the guys I found him. I mean, what was it like, Clayton Richard was acquired like a dollar, Trevor k. Hill, Fernando Rodney that was a later one. There's probably you know, another one or two there, but it's it would not be unprecedented, and I think you have to take chances on a guy who was like that good. But you would also took Liam Hendricks a long time to become like Liam Hendricks also closer if you look at his Baseball Reference page, mehan he was briefly a cub for about ten days in December twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, uh, and it took him a while to break out the lad he jumped. It is not you know we heard it wasn't great this spring he was around ninety three. I think their goal is to be very patient with them. They're they're not going to rush him. They're going to do right by Liam. They may have needs at the highest level, but they're not They're they're going to see what they can do with them. If they can get them to ninety five plus, that that would be a win, I think, and maybe he'll get a shot. I don't know if that even like, I'm not sure if that's enough. I was looking at his numbers in the past, like when he's at his best, he was averaging ninety seven, like he's been averaging ninety five in recent years. He could barely stay healthy though he's got like seventeen He's got like seventeen eighteen innings over the past three seasons. I want to say, because he I think that's right. So he's you know, he's just it's a it's a wildcard, but it's a big name. It's a guy who has had a huge impact these things. Like you said, if one in ten, two in ten work you you look smart and it and it feels good and you're doing something right because these you got to take a lot of shots in the bullpen, and especially when the injuries are piling up. You know who knows when Hunter Harvey, if he if and when he will help this team. Philm Ayton is kind of like you had a rough one on Wednesday, you had a good one on Thursday. Palencia looked dominant. By the way, Jacob Webb looks a lot better than whatever was going on at the beginning of the season. It's almost like, you know, we don't have a full season worth yet, but it's reminding me of the way Caleb Thielbar started last year and looked like, Wow, this guy is cooked. And then and then he was dominant and Jacob Webb were like, what is this is not looking good? And then he's been great since then. We'll see how long it lasts. But they they've they've put it together. They they have enough. You shouldn't say they have enough. They've been getting through games and winning games in the bullpen. You're not like coming away after every series and saying like, oh no, how do they get through a game with this bullpen? Somehow? They've put it together. You got to keep adding, though, because who knows when the next blow up will be or when the next injury will pop up. All right, let's take a quick break Patrick and then talk a little bit about rejuvenated Crossdown series. Here.
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Speaker 1: If you were watching that ad on YouTube just now, you saw Murkami out there. He's this star for the White Sox and that's going to be a challenge for the Cubs shutting him down. I've seen some numbers that his strikeout rate is starting to go through the roof, or even it was already high, and it's continuing to rise. So Cubs have to stay away from his hot zones this weekend and try and just feast on the swing and miss there. But the White Sox I believe, swept the Kansas City Royals, or at least have won enough that they're now above five hundred. And this is the first time since was it two thousand and eight? Am I right? Upset?
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Speaker 2: Excluding the twenty COVID.
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Speaker 1: Year, Yeah, excluding twenty twenty, that they're facing each other while both teams are above five hundred. That's wild. I would have guessed it was a little more recent than that. But two thousand and eight, I believe, if I am remembering that correctly, both teams made the playoffs that year, and the White Sox actually won a game. The Cubs didn't. Postseason. The Cubs were awesome that season. Trying to I believe they that two thousand and eight season. They were really great during the regular season and then just faltered in the in the postseason. But it's an actually intriguing matchup. I think it's going to There may be a lot of offense in this one, because I know the White Sox have really good bats right now. I shouldn't say really good, much improved bats. Their offense is much improved from years past. A lot of young intriguing talent Murakami. You know, it seems like the star of the group. But like Chase mid Rot, Coltson Montgomery, Miguel Vargas, these guys are all intriguing pieces that are starting to develop for a young team that is trying to put you know, some pretty rough rebuilding years behind them. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I was just looking at seat Geke, one of our sponsors here at the Felt Territory Network. I'm not seeing any tickets below one hundred dollars, and that's talking about you know, five hundred level upper decks where like, I don't know, you're are you closer to the highway than the home plate? Like? It just like extreme extreme interest in this series or renewed interest, I should say. I think it has certainly lost some of its novelty. I think the game has just become more corporate, so I think some of the personalities have faded away. Ozzie is still great on the pre and post game shows, and I do think this White Sox team has sort of you made people pay attention and kind of re engaged their fan base and a really interesting way. I was just kind of looking at their notes, and I think they have something like the maybe the fourth best record in the American League. Right now are tied for the fourth best record in the American Langue, which is kind of crazy. There was game above five hundred, but you know, they don't play in a very good division. We've seen it happen with young players before, like once it kind of gets some confidence and get used to the grind of a major league season. I think questions are always going to be about, you know, the pitching, you know, if they'll have enough, and sort of how they look at the trade deadline and like whether or not they can you know, stay relevant, and if they'll get reinforcements, if they'll do kind of a you know, the buy sell thing, or if or if the bottom just falls out eventually because the season is so long and this is not like a group that has that muscle memory, but it should be you know, a good atmosphere and curious to see how the White Sox present this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, beyond seeing if the Cubs bats can kind of get going again, there are two I'm I'm looking I'm going to be watching this weekend. First, one important, really important to the Cubs is Edward Cabrera, Like I felt like he has been on shaky ground in his starts, but he's been getting through them. He's been he's been limiting the damage, limiting runs. The last start wasn't so great, whereas he can his stuff kind of tick up at least start to tick up, Like it just doesn't look as dominant stuff wise as it has in the past. You want to kind of see him like start finding his rhythm. The other thing is, I'm just curious about Davis Martin. He's been awesome for the White Sox, whether the Cubs offense is clicking or not. I'm just like, can this guy continue? Is this guy for real? I don't know, but like kind of coming. I mean, I knew who he was, but it still feels like it's coming out of nowhere that he's this good. So we'll see. This is good. I do believe, like when you talked about the prices to get in, it could be kind of fun this weekend. Maybe maybe there'll be a little bit more drama and excitement on the South Side, but the Cubs certainly need to get some wins, you know, before heading back home and where they have one fifteen straight, so you know, get some wins. On the south Side, get back home, and see if you can continue to stay hot when Milwaukee comes to town. All right, that's it for this episode. Thanks so much for listening to Northside Territory. Make sure to resubscribe, subscribe to the YouTube channel, and subscribe to The Athletic where Patrick and I are on top of all things Cubs. Thanks for listening to everyone. Take care a