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of Fame honoree, the All-Pro, the Pro Bowl player, the greatest receiver currently until next week in. 00:03:19 Speaker 2: Bengals history, that is Chad Ochocico-Johnson. 00:03:22 Speaker 1: The third member of the Big Three is a University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock, Arkansas native, a seven-time NBA All-Star and an All-NBA selection, the smooth-shooting two-guard from the Atlanta Hawks, Iso Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts from. Thank you guys for staying up late with us so many times before. We greatly, greatly appreciate lending us your eyes, ears, and your word of mouth because that is the backbone, the lifeblood of what we do at Nightcap. We also like to thank you for helping us become the number one sports podcast on YouTube. We could not have done that without you. So again, thank you for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shade by LaPortier, head over to LaPortier.com to purchase the award-winning Shade by LaPortier VSOP. It is the best tasting VSOP on the market. Don't take my word for it. 00:04:17 Speaker 2: Try it. 00:04:18 Speaker 1: Compare it against other cognacs you may have tried or may be looking to try. And you'll see Shade by LaPortier is the best tasting cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. We got a very special guest joining us. 49ers wide receiver Jordan Watkins joins us a bit later in the show. 00:04:36 Speaker 2: He had his first career touchdown today. 00:04:38 Speaker 1: But first, the Bears beat the Bucs 27-24. The Bucs jumped out to a quick 14-point lead, but Kayla Williams got reckless with the football. 00:04:48 Speaker 2: Three turnovers. 00:04:49 Speaker 1: I'm talking about back, back to back to back, and they got another pick. And then they fumbled the ball and let Tampa have a short field. Tampa tied the ball game up. But Give the Bears offense credit when you have to have it. They got down the field, got in field goal range, and they end up winning the ball game. That's the most in the NFL. They have two games where they have at least five turnovers. 00:05:11 Speaker 2: At least five. What I don't get, guys, I need y'all to help me understand. 00:05:17 Speaker 1: In a situation like that, and Ocho, I kind of know where you want to go, but I want you to say it. I think sometimes Kalers get a little reckless with the football because we've seen him in the beginning making those plays off his back foot, throwing the ball, and Roman Doomsday was bailing him out. But in a situation you're up 14-0, you don't need to be that reckless with the football. 00:05:36 Speaker 3: No, and I think one of those interceptions, falling off your back foot, trying to throw the ball out of bounds, just throw it out right there closer to you instead of trying to throw it out down the field. Either way, it still goes out of bounds. You live to see another play. You live to play another down. I think for one, with them jumping out to that 14, to those 14 early in that game, and he was dealing. Hey, Joe, that first quarter, Roman Dusey and Luther Burden, they were dealing. Obviously, DeAndre Swift being able to run the ball as well as he was, not getting huge chunk plays, but keeping the sticks moving. I think he wanted to go up 21. He wanted it bad. He wanted it real bad. And at that point, you didn't really need to do that. You didn't need to force any more throws. And just listen, Take what they give you, but he's trying to take extra shots. He's trying to extend plays with his legs and do more than what's necessary, and I'm glad they were able to come back and win this game because it would have been a bad outing if Jalen Johnson had to save them and gave them an extra seven points for the game to go the way it went because the Bucs defense, they came to play ball. 00:06:43 Speaker 4: Even though they jumped out to that early lead, they came to play ball. 00:06:48 Speaker 1: Once they ride to the ship, guys, you're absolutely right. Ochoa, but you look at that first interception, he's trying to fit the ball between two defenders. 00:06:55 Speaker 2: Ain't no way. 00:06:56 Speaker 1: First of all, if the guy doesn't pick it, the safety's going to knock it down, but. 00:07:00 Speaker 2: It's not going to get completed. 00:07:02 Speaker 1: I mean, basically he's trying to throw a bowling ball through a keyhole. That ain't going to fit. Like you said, Ocho, we up 14-0. We don't need to take those unnecessary risks. They're going to be there because a lot of the throws that he was making, guys were wide-ass open. So why would you try to force it in a situation like that to go up possibly 21? You're in field goal range. At worst-case scenario, take the 17 and be up. 00:07:26 Speaker 2: Joe, what you thinking? 00:07:28 Speaker 1: Man, I thought the Bears, I thought they deserved to lose, Ocho. I'm going to be honest with you. 00:07:33 Speaker 2: I mean, come on, man. Listen. Listen. The way Caleb came out, he came out so sharp. I said, man, listen. 00:07:40 Speaker 1: The way he was dealing Uncle Ocho, I thought the narrative was going to be strictly about him. But, hell, it really is still about him. Think about it. He threw three picks in that second quarter, man. 00:07:50 Speaker 2: Come on, man. 00:07:50 Speaker 1: What are we talking about? I mean, the Buccaneers gave him chance after chance. Hell, they were like, you throw a pick, I throw a pick. You throw a pick, I throw a pick. Look, man, I didn't think the Bears deserved to win. I'm going to be honest with you. I just thought the Buccaneers– They just playing some bad football, bro. I don't know how you get that many takeaways and you still lose a game. 00:08:09 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:08:10 Speaker 5: Hey. 00:08:11 Speaker 3: Listen, also, hey, Uncle Joe, you got the credit that Bears defense now. Even with

those takeaways, that Bears defense stood as tall as they could. They bent, but they didn't break. 00:08:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:08:21 Speaker 3: They bent, but they didn't break. And Jalen Johnson, Jalen Johnson saved the day. That was a great play. I think That's all film study. That's all film study. When those dudes was in that tight split, it's like he already knew it was coming. Instead of going to his zone, whatever his zone was, he backed up and baited Baker into throwing the ball and jumped it right away because he knew it was coming. 00:08:45 Speaker 2: Ocho, I don't know why Baker... Ocho, what's coming in behind? 00:08:48 Speaker 1: When you run that route, I'm really just trying to occupy Jalen Johnson because I got the end coming in behind it. 00:08:54 Speaker 3: The booker was wide-ass open. Oh, coming from the other side? 00:08:58 Speaker 2: No, no, no. Ibuka was lined up next to him. 00:09:02 Speaker 1: And so what he did is that he runs the stop right here. And then you got the end coming in behind it. Because I want Jalen Johnson to do what he did. 00:09:11 Speaker 3: Because I want to move him out of the zone. 00:09:14 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes. 00:09:16 Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson did exactly what I wanted him to do. I just don't want Baker to throw it because if he throws it, it's going. 00:09:21 Speaker 2: To the house. 00:09:22 Speaker 3: It's going the other way. 00:09:23 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:09:23 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I thought whoever it was, I thought they ran an hour right away. 00:09:30 Speaker 2: Okay, okay. 00:09:31 Speaker 1: I'm running that because I know Jalen Johnson is going to get depth and get in the zone. 00:09:36 Speaker 2: I want him to take that. That's the cheese I'm. 00:09:38 Speaker 1: Dangling out there, because I know that rat want to bite that cheese, Joe. 00:09:42 Speaker 2: That's why I'm dangling in front of him. 00:09:44 Speaker 1: He moves out the window, boom, I hit Ibuka right in behind him. Because if you throw that ball, you have to realize Jalen Johnson is inside. 00:09:52 Speaker 2: The same thing. 00:09:55 Speaker 1: You inside if you and guess what he did now he didn't draw he didn't miss it because a lot of times you get that guys like oh my goodness I had he didn't bought he didn't hey he didn't miss his opportunity right and you got to give the Bucks defense credit also because when Baker turned that ball over early they. 00:10:12 Speaker 2: Bowed their backs yeah yeah yeah. 00:10:16 Speaker 1: So both defense, I mean, you get that kind of turnover, I mean, five turnovers, and you only give up 24 points. Man, the Bucs are going to be kicking themselves because they had ample opportunity to win this ball game. Your defense gives you five turnovers. You've got to win a game. I don't care if you're playing on the road. I don't care if you're playing on the moon. 00:10:37 Speaker 2: Hey, what happened, bro? 00:10:38 Speaker 3: Hey, Unc, your battery might be a little dead there, boy. 00:10:45 Speaker 1: We can hear you whisper. 00:10:49 Speaker 3: Hey, but Joe, I enjoyed this game a lot. I like Caleb Williams, you know, for what he can do. And I think he's a little Brett Favish because he has so much arm strength, because he can do so much. He can do things. 00:11:04 Speaker 4: Off the script. 00:11:05 Speaker 3: You know, he can make plays. Therefore, when you're willing and dealing like that early in the game, you get gun happy, huh? 00:11:13 Speaker 2: That's what happened. 00:11:15 Speaker 3: And thinking you could throw any and everything, Joe, and really not paying attention to what's going on defensively, and that's where the interceptions come into play. 00:11:22 Speaker 1: Oh, so you think he got a little too overconfident, because he got off to such a great start, he started trying to throw in them little tight windows in the man. 00:11:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. That's why I called it like Brett Favish. 00:11:33 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, yeah. 00:11:34 Speaker 4: Hey, tell Joe how Brett used to throw that thing, boy. 00:11:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, and guess what you say? 00:11:40 Speaker 1: You remember it cost him a chance to go to the Super Bowl when he was in Minnesota, and he threw that ball up across the middle, and the guy picked it. 00:11:46 Speaker 2: Remember that? Yeah. The same thing happened in Philly. 00:11:49 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. So you have to be careful. Granted, this is a regular season game. And if you lose this game, you go to 6-3 instead of 7-2. But if you do this in the playoffs, you turn the ball over five times in the playoffs, there's a great chance. There's a 95% chance you're going to be packing. 00:12:03 Speaker 2: Your things up. 00:12:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're going home. 00:12:05 Speaker 3: And also, if you're in the playoffs, you're playing a better offensive team. That's going to hurt you with them turnovers. 00:12:11 Speaker 2: Joe, it's like a big guy. You know, you go to the big guy. 00:12:14 Speaker 1: You know, you probably thinking like with Smooth, we shoot, hit a cut, shoot the two threes. 00:12:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:12:19 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, God dang it. You already, Joe, you already know what's going to happen. The worst thing that ever could have happened is let Smooth hit two. 00:12:30 Speaker 2: His first two, he take it. 00:12:31 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:12:32 Speaker 1: He getting up by six or seven. Hey, that's what KG said. That didn't get off topic, but that's what KG said. He said, man, we should play the Hawks. If Josh Smith made his first jump, I should be like, hell yeah, because I know he going to shoot some more. But you don't want to rein him in too much, but I do think Ben Johnson is going to have to have a conversation with him and says, I love your aggressiveness, but we've got to be smart. Right. We've got to be smart. You play Green Bay? You turn the ball low five times against Green Bay. And

that offense, how many points do you get? Hey, ask Drake May when you turn the ball low what'll happen. 00:13:13 Speaker 4: By 28 points? 00:13:14 Speaker 2: Yeah. Ask him what's going to happen. 00:13:16 Speaker 4: By 28 points, that's what you're going to get? 00:13:19 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:13:21 Speaker 1: And now look, the Rams are not as offensively structured dynamically now because Devontae's out. But if they had Devontae and you give that, give 49ers five turnovers and see what they do. 00:13:33 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. 00:13:34 Speaker 3: They don't even have our number one right now. 00:13:37 Speaker 2: Exactly. 00:13:38 Speaker 1: You've got to be careful playing a team and you turn the ball over. You got away with it tonight. And, hey, we won the ball game. But, again, you're not accepting this. Five turnovers gets you beat. Yes, we've got to do. And this is the second this is the second time in nine games that we've had at least five turnovers in the game. That's 10 turnovers in just two games. Hey, is it me or did tonight just seem a little sloppy for whatever reason? OK, Ocho, it's like both teams was kind of sloppy to me. 00:14:07 Speaker 2: They were. They were. They were. They were. I mean, what? 00:14:09 Speaker 1: You got seven. You got seven turnovers. You got seven turnovers. Hell, it seemed like it could have been more. It just seemed like it was a lot of sloppy play out there tonight for whatever reason where the guys were just revved up and just kind of burnt out. Hey, that hit that Burton took at the end, boy, when. 00:14:25 Speaker 2: He followed that. 00:14:26 Speaker 1: Right in the side. That's the one that gets you, Joe. Right there in the side of the head. Joe put his helmet right on your helmet, right on the side. Hey, why would you run that play at that time? Turnover, downs, fake, a punt, field goal, pick six. 00:14:39 Speaker 2: Look. 00:14:40 Speaker 1: Caleb Weaver, the third best quarterback to throw four interceptions and a win in the Super Bowl era. Todd Collins did it in 2010. Rex Grossman did it in 2006. The Bucs scored just three points and allowed a defensive score on the drive in which he threw an interception. So in all those turnovers, think about it, in those four interceptions that he threw, the Bucs got three points, Ochoa and Joe. 00:15:07 Speaker 3: That's the difference in the ballgame right now. 00:15:09 Speaker 4: That's the difference in the ballgame. 00:15:10 Speaker 3: It is. And the fact that they had that many turnovers, that's why most of the credit for the Knights win, I know the field goal kicker kicked it. I know Caleb Williams had to do something. Obviously, it was busted coverage. It was busted coverage on that last play where Loveland caught that– That seven route, yeah. Yeah, that seven route, it was busted coverage. I'm not sure what they were doing. The safety should let, safety, they got to communicate that. 00:15:31 Speaker 2: The corner got to let it go and let the safety take it.

00:15:33 Speaker 4: Let him take it. 00:15:34 Speaker 3: And whoever come in my zone. 00:15:36 Speaker 2: I pick him up. I don't know what y'all call it. We call it scissors. 00:15:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, scissors, same thing. 00:15:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, same thing. Hey, if he come to you, stay right there with him. 00:15:44 Speaker 4: Whoever come my way, I got him. 00:15:45 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:15:46 Speaker 4: Instead of trying, but anyway. 00:15:48 Speaker 3: That Bears defense is the reason why they only scored three, even with those turnovers. 00:15:53 Speaker 4: That's why I say they bent, but they didn't break. 00:15:55 Speaker 2: Yep. 00:15:57 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:15:57 Speaker 2: It was a good game. It was a good game. Yeah. I mean, the way it was going, I was like, oh, this is going to be an early night. Yeah. This is going to be an early night for the Tampa. Give Tampa credit. 00:16:08 Speaker 1: They didn't pack up because on the road, and you turn the ball over like they did early in the ball game, and a red hot offense with the Bears got out, and they were red hot, it was easy. Because you saw what happened at Foxborough. They turned that ball over early, what happened? 00:16:23 Speaker 2: Woo! It's over. 00:16:25 Speaker 4: Hey, quick. 00:16:28 Speaker 5: Ocho. 00:16:29 Speaker 1: All I've been doing, I say, I've been begging Christian Watson and Golden, just hold on to the football. 00:16:35 Speaker 2: They held on to the football. Look at that. Both of them had damn near 200 yards receiving. 00:16:39 Speaker 4: I was getting ready to say, boy, did you see their numbers? 00:16:41 Speaker 2: I was talking for the Packers, yeah. Boy, they took turns on Gonzalez. I saw them shove each other. Nah, man, you get to the other side. Man, that's Christian Gonzalez. He's the highest player. I don't care. Get over there. 00:16:52 Speaker 1: They just took turns on that man, Ocho. I've never seen it that bad for a number one corner. In all my years of watching football, covering the game of football, I've never seen it get this bad. 00:17:04 Speaker 2: I've seen guys have bad days, Ocho, but not like this. Yeah. 00:17:07 Speaker 3: You know what? Are we going to that game right now, or are we going to get to it? 00:17:12 Speaker 2: Hold on. Let's hold this just a little bit longer. Okay, okay, okay. The Bears' defense was dominant. Jeffrey Simmons continued to make an impact. Four tackles. 00:17:19 Speaker 1: Three solos and assists, a sack, quarterback hit, a pass defended. When you look at it, when you get that one dominant guy, we're going to talk about the Rams. See when they get Myles Garrett back. 00:17:32 Speaker 2: Joe, you see the wiggle? You see the difference in that knee? I see, I see. I'm a believer. I'm a believer. 00:17:42 Speaker 1: He got wiggled. So you put one dominant defensive lineman. That raised the level of play of all your rest of your D linemen. Now Montez Sweat's going to get home. It's a little easier. Your D line, your interior, it's a little easier. You just need one guy. 00:17:56 Speaker 2: That's it. 00:17:57 Speaker 1: That can be a hell raiser. And he'll drag a lot of the other people. The DBs know the ball will come out quick. 00:18:03 Speaker 3: It got to come out. It got to come out. And the funny thing, Joe, this is the good thing. which I'm not surprised that Tennessee let Jeffrey Simmons go because of what they were able to get for him and get some assets to be able to help rebuild their team since they're in the rebuild stage. But Jeffrey Simmons being on the defensive line, and he was double-teamed most of the game tonight. He was double-teamed most of the game, but he had such a great impact on the game because he was double-teamed, it opened up everybody else. All they had to do was win their one-on-one matchups because two people occupied. 00:18:35 Speaker 4: He got his sack. 00:18:37 Speaker 3: He had times where he was able to pressure and get Baker off his spot, you know. How many sacks did they have in all, Unc? 00:18:45 Speaker 2: Who, the Bears? 00:18:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, was it three? 00:18:48 Speaker 4: Three or two? 00:18:49 Speaker 1: Four. 00:18:49 Speaker 3: Oh, it was four, yeah. 00:18:50 Speaker 5: Four. 00:18:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 00:18:52 Speaker 4: And them boys played real well, man. They played real well. 00:18:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:18:56 Speaker 1: And look, for me, I believe the Bears have a Super Bowl caliber team. 00:19:04 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:19:04 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:19:06 Speaker 1: The thing that will derail you is that the amount of turnovers that they're capable of having. You cannot turn the ball over like that in the postseason, Ochoa. 00:19:17 Speaker 5: No. 00:19:17 Speaker 1: Because the momentum is so great, the game will get away from you in the blink of an eye. 00:19:22 Speaker 5: Quick. 00:19:23 Speaker 1: Because more times than not, because like you said, you're going to be playing better teams, that team will probably go out and get 17 to 21 points on those four turnovers that. 00:19:31 Speaker 2: You gave them. 00:19:32 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. 00:19:34 Speaker 2: So you have to be very, very careful of that. 00:19:36 Speaker 1: But I think, and the problem that it, that's a hell of a. 00:19:44 Speaker 2: Conference when you look at a division, You look at Green Bay. You look at Chicago. You look at Detroit. 00:19:50 Speaker 1: Now, I think Detroit is behind Chicago and Green Bay because of the defense. Green Bay is going to get a guy like a Jeffrey Simmons back that can impact and raise everybody else's level of play. 00:20:04 Speaker 4: Micah, yeah? 00:20:05 Speaker 1: Yes. He's supposed to, if I'm reading what's true, if true what I'm reading, he's targeting that Thanksgiving Eve game against the Rams. He comes back anything looking like Miles Garrett with that offense like that because they can throw it. 00:20:24 Speaker 2: They got guys that can go get it. Oh, yeah. 00:20:26 Speaker 1: And

Jordan Love is spinning it. Hey, you got to put it on Caleb Williams too. You saying the Bears can't turn it over like that? 00:20:35 Speaker 2: He can't turn it over. 00:20:36 Speaker 1: It's basically Caleb, yeah, because as a quarterback, okay, Ocho, if you have four turnovers, bro, in the postseason, what happened when Buddy in Houston, what's his name? 00:20:47 Speaker 2: The quarterback. When he go out on damn picks. When he go out on picks. Come on, man. You ain't going to make it, bro. No, it's hard to overcome that. Go ahead, Ocho. 00:20:56 Speaker 3: No, no, no, you right. I think the only time I saw I think, I forgot what year it was. Where Jared, not Jared. Yeah, it was Jared Goff. Jared Goff threw, what, four? Yeah, four, four, five. 00:21:05 Speaker 2: He threw five picks. You're talking about the divisional game against Washington, the commanders, and they lost. 00:21:09 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:21:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:21:12 Speaker 4: You go right home. 00:21:13 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:21:13 Speaker 1: It's hard to overcome that many turnovers. But give the Bears defense credit, the offense, when they needed to go put a drive together. Because I was afraid if they didn't get that in and get those points and they gave that ball back to the Bucs, The. 00:21:28 Speaker 2: Bucs had him, really. Yeah. The Bucs had him, really. 00:21:33 Speaker 1: The Cowboys sneak by the court as Ricky Caleb Downs gets the game-winning interception on his big brother's team. Joe, I know you was nervous after CD fumbled. The Cowboys, 153 penalty yards, the most in the game since week 12 against the Raiders when they had 166. 00:21:50 Speaker 5: Ocho? Yeah. 00:21:55 Speaker 1: Now, I said this. I'm two years ahead of schedule. I said, Ocho, and you are. Ocho, you said, nah, nah. Sauce Gardner ain't the same. You've been watching him. 00:22:04 Speaker 2: Yeah. Joe's been watching him. 00:22:06 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:22:06 Speaker 2: And everybody's been watching him. Ocho, he ain't the same. Yeah. 00:22:09 Speaker 1: He's not even comparable. It's not even close to what he was. He's a shell of himself. 00:22:16 Speaker 4: Okay. 00:22:17 Speaker 3: This is the 1 o'clock game. I wasn't able to watch the Dallas Colts game. 00:22:22 Speaker 2: Well, listen, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. 00:22:24 Speaker 3: Even when I put it on YouTube TV, the four games, they still didn't show me that specific game. So that's the one game I wasn't able to see today. 00:22:32 Speaker 4: So what happened? 00:22:33 Speaker 1: Man, listen, CD, 10 catches, 195 yards. 00:22:37 Speaker 2: Come on, man. 00:22:38 Speaker 1: Hey, that boy went crazy. Everybody went crazy. Penalties, everybody went crazy. 00:22:45 Speaker 2: Ocho. 00:22:45 Speaker 4: Hold on, he had 10 for who? 195. 00:22:52 Speaker 1: Ocho, if you watch him and chat, there are a lot of people, and some like, I see what you're talking about. Even when he came on, he's like, nah, I'm, I'm like,

bro, you're not the same. You're not the same. Ocho, they had a lead. What was it, 20? 00:23:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a lead. 00:23:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, they came back. We blew it. It was a tie ball game. 00:23:14 Speaker 5: Right. 00:23:14 Speaker 1: Ocho, you know, and so it was like 140 to go. You know this man gave up a 46-yard bomb the first play? To Ryan Flanoy, not ZD. And I know Flanoy is playing great. 00:23:30 Speaker 4: He's having a great season. 00:23:31 Speaker 2: He's playing well. 00:23:32 Speaker 1: Ocho, that's your number one corner. Your number two or three receiver shouldn't beat your number, because in a situation like that, nothing cheap, nothing deep. 00:23:40 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:23:41 Speaker 1: Make a nickel and dime. So once they get that play, now they're thinking change. Bro, we're going for the juggler. 00:23:49 Speaker 2: Yeah. We got y'all on the ropes. 00:23:52 Speaker 4: Hold on, what quarter was this in? 00:23:54 Speaker 2: It was the fourth quarter. 00:23:57 Speaker 3: Bump and run? 00:23:58 Speaker 1: Man, that man went by with sauce. 00:24:02 Speaker 2: I mean, we might have to, hey, Ocho, we might have to go back to his government name. 00:24:07 Speaker 3: What? Hold on, hold on. Hey, I'm trying to understand the play now. 00:24:10 Speaker 4: Was it bump and run or was sauce off? 00:24:12 Speaker 2: It was straight goal ball. Me versus you. Yeah. Yeah. 00:24:16 Speaker 4: Bump and run or was he seven yards? 00:24:17 Speaker 5: Yes. 00:24:18 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:24:19 Speaker 2: It wasn't no zone. It's mano y mano. I got you. I'm like, hey, I'm looking in your eyes. You looking in mine. 00:24:24 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:24:25 Speaker 2: But the difference is I see your eyes big as a bow dollar. I see you scared. I'm going by you. 00:24:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm mad. 00:24:31 Speaker 2: Chat, y'all saw it. Hey, listen. It really, honestly. It really wasn't no good game. 00:24:38 Speaker 1: It really ain't even a game to really brag about. But, hell, we lost our last two. So to get a win, to get in the win column, I feel good. 00:24:45 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? You feel good about beating a team that's in the rebuilding stage? 00:24:51 Speaker 2: I'm just curious. Hell, yeah, I feel good about beating them down to the ground. You hear me? Yeah, I feel good about it. 00:24:57 Speaker 3: What you think? 00:24:58 Speaker 2: They in the NFL, ain't they? They in the NFL? Don't they get paid on the 1st and 15th? 00:25:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, they do. Okay. 00:25:05 Speaker 1: Well, then listen. Let me tell you something, man. We done blew. This is two weeks in a row now. We done blew leads. We blew the 17-3 lead last week. 17-7 this week, Ocho. Let them folks back in the game. Them folks ain't even trying to win. 00:25:19 Speaker 2: You hear me? 00:25:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, you right, Joe. But y'all got to be careful, Joe. 00:25:23 Speaker 3: You know, because playing against a better team, Oh, they lose. 00:25:27 Speaker 2: Oh, man, you always talk about, oh, if this, that, that. Man, listen, man, we got a dub, bro. 00:25:34 Speaker 3: But, Joe, you had so many penalties today. Y'all playing like the Raiders back in the 80s and 90s, bro. You can't have that many penalties. You got to play a little bit more disciplined, and you got to put teams away. You got to put bad teams away. You got to beat them convincingly. I know you won a game, but like what you always say, You never what? 00:25:54 Speaker 2: Never accept anything in a win, you wouldn't in a loss. 00:25:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, Joe. 00:25:56 Speaker 2: You know what? 00:25:57 Speaker 1: And I tweeted today, I say, Ms. Ursae Gordon, everything must go, half off. 00:26:05 Speaker 3: What? 00:26:05 Speaker 2: I didn't like Josh Downs' body language, Joe. Yeah. Because two-thirds down crucial, he gagged. Yeah. 00:26:12 Speaker 1: I didn't like Jonathan Taylor's body language because he was not running like Jonathan Taylor normally runs. 00:26:17 Speaker 2: Yeah. Everything must go. Hold on. 00:26:20 Speaker 4: You said Josh Downs' body language. You said he gagged. What do you mean he gagged? 00:26:25 Speaker 2: Two-thirds, crucial third down, drops. Okay, okay, okay. I don't like it because it's being reported he asked for a trade. 00:26:33 Speaker 1: He did. And his head coach asked him until this. Look, you're still on this team, and I need you to be professional. I didn't like his body language. I didn't like Jonathan Taylor's body language. 00:26:42 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:26:43 Speaker 1: There is no sense for me, Joe, Ocho, if I'm in a rebuilding– I don't need a $ 22 million running back. 00:26:50 Speaker 2: Yes, sir. Did you see the guy? Did you see the guy in there? Hold on. 00:26:54 Speaker 1: Hold on. 00:26:54 Speaker 2: What's his name? Seth McGowan. Six yards, 45 yards. Did you see? 00:27:00 Speaker 1: He would know how he was running. I needed Jonathan Taylor to run like that. Okay, your name has come up in the trade, and they ask him, did you request a trade? He said, I don't want to talk about that. So I don't know what's going on. All I've got to say is that when I'm here, I'm here. Wherever my feet are, that's where my feet are. And if I have to be somewhere else, my feet will be over there. I'll be over there. But I didn't like what I saw today. From Josh Downs, and I didn't like what I saw from Jonathan Taylor, and I haven't liked what I've seen from Sauce Gardner in the last two and a half years. 00:27:32 Speaker 2: He's not the same. 00:27:33 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:27:33 Speaker 1: He can say he's the same and don't nobody check. Once they started calling all that clutching and grabbing, he did, Ocho. 00:27:40 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:27:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I can't make a fair assessment because I wasn't able to watch that game. 00:27:48 Speaker 2: He got ate up today, Ocho. He got eight of them, Ocho. 00:27:53 Speaker 3: Eight. 00:27:53 Speaker 1: Hold on. 00:27:54 Speaker 2: And CeeDee,

Ocho. 00:27:55 Speaker 1: CeeDee had him beat for a touchdown and took that elongated step. 00:27:59 Speaker 2: CeeDee, go. 00:28:00 Speaker 1: Paul, go limp. Ocho, you know when you get the ball over the shoulder, you don't take no step. You just fall. 00:28:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Hey, you in the Western. You know how you ride on the horse and they shoot you? Yeah. That's what you got to do. That's it. That's what you do, man. 00:28:18 Speaker 1: Hey, Ocho, that was another touchdown he should have had that he had a little toe drag with it. 00:28:23 Speaker 2: He should have had that touchdown. Yes! 00:28:25 Speaker 1: How deep was that? That was probably about 30-something yards. 00:28:27 Speaker 3: Yes! 00:28:28 Speaker 2: Yeah. See, really, Ocho, if CD probably should have had over 200 today. 00:28:33 Speaker 1: Easy. 00:28:34 Speaker 2: Probably about 250. 00:28:35 Speaker 6: Easy. 00:28:35 Speaker 1: 250? 00:28:36 Speaker 5: Easy. 00:28:36 Speaker 2: 250. He has 16 targets. Oh, the guys put up big numbers. Puka. 00:28:50 Speaker 1: Puka had like 19 targets, had 14 for a buck, 50. 00:28:54 Speaker 2: Yeah. I just, everything, they just signed a D lineman and I like him. 00:29:02 Speaker 1: Dooling, playing, I'm just, it was just so, it's so frustrating to watch this team. Their body language say, look, man, our season over. Hey, there's nobody more, excuse me, Chad. There's nobody more happy than the Jets are, because the Jets get that pick. They get Indy's number one pick. For Saltz because they traded two number ones. Now, I don't know, look, there have been some bad trades in NFL history. This gonna go down as one of the tops. The giving up two first-rounders for Saltz Gardner, this is going to go down as. 00:29:39 Speaker 2: One of the tops, Ojo. 00:29:42 Speaker 1: We can look at the Herschel Walker trade and what it did for the Cowboys. There are a few others in there, but this is going to be in the top five. He was bad. He's been bad. 00:29:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. We had a cookout with his ass today, I'll tell you that. Oh, Ocho, man. 00:30:03 Speaker 4: Let me go do my homework. 00:30:04 Speaker 3: I'm watching this game on my flight in the morning, man, because I don't know if y'all exaggerating or not. 00:30:10 Speaker 4: That man had. 00:30:11 Speaker 2: 10 catches at 195 yards. What you mean are we exaggerating? What you mean? 00:30:15 Speaker 1: Oh, no, no. 00:30:16 Speaker 3: I'm just saying. I'm sure all 10. Oh, you're trying to say all 10 was on Uno? 00:30:20 Speaker 2: Oh, he had over 100 yards on Uno. He should have had more is what I'm telling you. Well, he should have had more. 00:30:25 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, okay. 00:30:27 Speaker 1: And then they drop cover. I mean, one guy, he had a bomb. CD ended up fumbling the ball. I'm like, how you turn CD loose? 00:30:37 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:30:38 Speaker 1: The most dangerous guy on the Cowboys offense, you turn him scot-free. 00:30:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. Damn, man. Joe, you happy, huh? Yeah, yeah, we needed a win, boy. 00:30:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, J.J., I'm glad you're happy, though, man. I'm happy for you. 00:30:52 Speaker 3: I'm happy for your Cowboys, man. I'm happy for Pick. I'm talking about Pick. I'm happy for CD, you know. I can't wait till we get NFL Youngboy back in there, though. 00:31:01 Speaker 2: Hey, hold up, though. What happened to Pick? Why he didn't play? 00:31:04 Speaker 4: Little hamstring. 00:31:05 Speaker 2: He's nursing the shoulder. 00:31:07 Speaker 3: And a hammock. 00:31:08 Speaker 2: Hamstring flared up this week in practice. 00:31:11 Speaker 1: Well, hell, the way he sprinted out of there after the game the other damn night, I couldn't tell his hamstring was hurt. 00:31:16 Speaker 2: Huh? Hey, hey, hey. They got to blow this up, Ocho. 00:31:21 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:31:22 Speaker 2: They're not going anywhere. 00:31:23 Speaker 3: Right. 00:31:23 Speaker 1: I'm not keeping, I'm not keeping. You traded Buck. You traded Quentin Nelson. 00:31:30 Speaker 4: Quentin Nelson, yeah. 00:31:31 Speaker 2: Why am I holding on. 00:31:32 Speaker 1: To Jonathan Taylor and going to pay him $ 22 million in a rebuild? 00:31:36 Speaker 2: Hold on. 00:31:37 Speaker 4: They're probably not going to hold on to him. They're probably not going to hold on to Josh Downs as well. 00:31:41 Speaker 3: Those are two players that you can get some valuable access for. 00:31:46 Speaker 4: You got to Wednesday now. 00:31:48 Speaker 2: Tuesday. 00:31:48 Speaker 4: Tuesday. 00:31:49 Speaker 2: My bad. 00:31:50 Speaker 4: You got to Tuesday. 00:31:51 Speaker 3: So I'm sure what they want is going to happen, especially with the body language that you said they had today. Yes, they can see that, you know, Shane Steichen can see that. What can you tell players? We let you go be there. 00:32:04 Speaker 2: So they don't care. What do you see? 00:32:06 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. 00:32:07 Speaker 1: She's already five. She's already five. Ballard, the general manager. Yeah, I don't know who's filling it in that role. She's cleaning house. 00:32:15 Speaker 4: It's so right. 00:32:16 Speaker 2: And deservedly. Yeah. So it's everybody. 00:32:19 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people in that organization that's earned the right to no longer be gainfully employed. 00:32:24 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 00:32:24 Speaker 4: But Joe, the funny thing about it. 00:32:26 Speaker 3: If you think about why they traded for Sauce Gardner, boy, they ended up as coach, were on the verge of, were in conversations of maybe making it to the playoffs. Not only to the playoffs, but they were playing so well, we would talk about them. 00:32:37 Speaker 4: Going to the Super Bowl. 00:32:38 Speaker 2: Last season, yeah, they were. Danny Dimes. 00:32:41 Speaker 3: That's how well they were playing. And Danny Dimes got hurt. Boy, everything done fell out. Everything done changed just that fast, that quick. 00:32:52 Speaker 1: I've been saying this, but I'm not giving too... Because I

think Sertan, I think Stingley, I think I thought there were three, four, five corners that was better than Soft's Garner. 00:33:04 Speaker 2: And to give up that kind of draft compensation, Ocho? Think about that. You gave up two first-rounders. Right. 00:33:12 Speaker 3: But, Unc, you also have to understand why they gave up two first-rounders. Most of the time, you see a player go from one situation, playing for a team like New York, then... okay, if we can get someone like Sauce, who was playing well at the time. You know, he was a little inconsistent, obviously, towards before the trade in New York. 00:33:31 Speaker 4: But bring him over here to us. 00:33:33 Speaker 3: While we're playing well, I think they were undefeated at the time. I think Tredavious Ward was on the other side. And pairing him with Sauce Gardner, I mean, Them think about that. You got DeVar Buckner on the end. They thinking we pushing all the chips to the front of the table trying to make sure if we got one year we were going to make it, this would be it. 00:33:56 Speaker 4: So we all in. 00:33:57 Speaker 1: I agree. 00:33:58 Speaker 3: We're trying to improve our defense because the offense is playing so well. 00:34:01 Speaker 1: So you got to take that gamble and giving up those two first-round picks. You got to take that gamble to get a guy like Sauce. Outside of that, you weren't going to get him. It's just now you can look back because it didn't work and it hadn't panned out. Now you're looking like, damn, that was bad. Let me ask you a question. You think the Broncos give up? You think you can get Patrick Sertain from the Broncos? 00:34:21 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:34:22 Speaker 2: You call the Broncos right now and say, we give you two first-rounders. 00:34:25 Speaker 3: Three? No, two. 00:34:26 Speaker 2: Three. I'm asking. 00:34:29 Speaker 1: Last year, Stingley played well because all these cornerbacks, they got these big deals. 00:34:34 Speaker 5: Right. 00:34:34 Speaker 2: You think you could get Spoon? 00:34:35 Speaker 1: You think you could get Spoon from Seattle? 00:34:39 Speaker 2: No. You think you could get Sertan from the Broncos? Mm-mm. 00:34:47 Speaker 1: Could you get Stingley from the Texans? Think about it, Ocho. They just signed him. Ocho, they had just signed him three weeks ago. Three months before the season in training? 00:34:58 Speaker 3: But also understand the situation. 00:35:00 Speaker 4: Look at the situation. 00:35:01 Speaker 3: Look at the teams, the players that you just mentioned they're on. Those are winning organizations that are winning with those players that they just played. The Jets weren't going nowhere. They weren't going nowhere. 00:35:11 Speaker 2: You just paid him. 00:35:14 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I understand what you mean. I understand what you mean. 00:35:17 Speaker 2: I'm just saying. 00:35:18 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the situation in general. Okay, we just paid him, right? But we losing with him, so we gonna get some

assets to build later on in the future because we losing with him. 00:35:29 Speaker 1: The mere fact that I just, the mere fact, I would be hesitant. Ocho, you just bought a house. 00:35:35 Speaker 2: Yes, sir. 00:35:36 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I call you, hey, Ocho, yeah, I'll sell it to you. No, you answer that too quick. Something wrong with that house, Joe. 00:35:43 Speaker 2: You answer too quick. 00:35:45 Speaker 1: You just moved in the house two weeks ago, and you already looking to get up off it. 00:35:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand, but I kind of, I understand, I understand completely, you know, what you are saying, but you have to think about the situation that the other top corners in the NFL are in. 00:35:59 Speaker 2: Are in right now. 00:35:59 Speaker 3: You talk about a top three defense for Witherspoon, a top five defense for Sertain over there in Denver. Who's in that? Stingley. 00:36:10 Speaker 4: They were number two defense last year, number one or two. 00:36:12 Speaker 3: So, you know, they're not letting them go because they're an intricate part of why they're so good. 00:36:18 Speaker 4: You know, I'm trying to think. 00:36:20 Speaker 2: It's one more corner. It's one more corner. 00:36:22 Speaker 4: Oh, Denzel Ward. 00:36:24 Speaker 3: Yeah. You think they're letting Denzel Ward go for two ones? 00:36:29 Speaker 1: For me, Ocho, Joe, I don't know what you guys think. Yeah. But it's got to be a Miles Garrett. 00:36:36 Speaker 3: Right. 00:36:36 Speaker 1: Or it's got to be a quarterback because I need somebody because all I– let's just say for the sake of arguments, I can stay away from Sutan. 00:36:45 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:36:45 Speaker 1: I can stay away from Ward. I can stay away from Stingley. I can stay away. How do I stay away from Miles Garrett? 00:36:52 Speaker 2: You can't. 00:36:54 Speaker 4: Hey, run the other way? 00:36:55 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:36:57 Speaker 2: But you got to drop back and pass some damn time. 00:37:01 Speaker 1: Unless you're going to pull what Tampa did on Atlanta, run it 50 times to go for 300 plus yards. 00:37:08 Speaker 2: Now, you look at a quarterback. Okay. Two first rounders and a player for Matthew Stafford. I ain't got no problem with that. 00:37:19 Speaker 1: Because you believe that our quarterback is really holding us back. 00:37:23 Speaker 2: Right. 00:37:24 Speaker 1: Jared Goff has been well, but they're not going to win because there are certain things that Matthew Stafford can do that Jared Goff just can't do. 00:37:32 Speaker 2: Right. 00:37:33 Speaker 1: And that's not a knock on Jared Goff because he's a really good. 00:37:37 Speaker 2: Quarterback, but he's not Matthew Stafford. Yeah. 00:37:40 Speaker 1: And Sean McVay realized having gone to the Super Bowl with him, this is as far as. 00:37:46 Speaker 2: He can take us. 00:37:47 Speaker 1: We can't win. We might be able to get there again, but they're just throws away. that Matthew Stafford can make, there hadn't been five, six quarterbacks in the history of the game that can make. 00:38:01 Speaker 2: So I get giving up two first-rounders for him. 00:38:04 Speaker 1: I get giving up two first-rounders for Miles Garrett. 00:38:09 Speaker 2: Or an Aaron Donald in his prime. A J.J. Watt in his prime. Man, it's hard, Ocho, for me, for a corner man. Boy, that's a hit. 00:38:19 Speaker 1: Ocho, that is a hit. Because think about what they're going to get. the Colts, that could be a top five pick. That could be a top five pick. And considering how bad the Jets is, they may have two top five picks. 00:38:36 Speaker 2: Joe, why you laughing? 00:38:39 Speaker 3: Even with them first round picks, Unc, and we've seen it countless times again. Joe, you've seen it in basketball. You know, having them, it's all pretty and dandy having that first round pick. 00:38:49 Speaker 4: But if you don't hit them on them picks, true. 00:38:52 Speaker 1: Indy had a situation like that. Indy had the number one pick and the number two pick in the draft. 00:38:56 Speaker 2: Damn. 00:38:57 Speaker 1: How? 00:38:57 Speaker 3: That's impossible. 00:38:59 Speaker 1: They had Quentin Corriott went two and Intman. Steve Intman went number one. 00:39:04 Speaker 2: The quarterback. 00:39:06 Speaker 1: No, he was a D lineman, I think, out of Washington. Quentin Corriott was a linebacker out of Texas A & M. 00:39:13 Speaker 3: Steve Intman. 00:39:15 Speaker 5: Okay. 00:39:15 Speaker 1: Them wasn't good picks. How'd they pan out, Unc? We played in the first year, we beat the brakes off. 00:39:25 Speaker 2: Them. They were bad. They were bad. They were bad. I remember we played end of the year that they got there. 00:39:34 Speaker 1: John went and threw a pass, and Steve Ipman batted it down, and he was over there something like, yeah, like he just made a sack that won the game. Sam said, bro, you're the number one pick in the draft. Are you excited about that? Came right back behind me, threw me a touchdown. 00:39:52 Speaker 2: Yeah! 00:39:53 Speaker 1: Now that's what you get excited about. But I'm selling, Ocho. If you say we this bad, we two and seven. We nine games, we got eight games to go. I don't know their schedule off the top of my head. 00:40:04 Speaker 2: I'm selling. 00:40:05 Speaker 4: The Colts? 00:40:07 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:40:08 Speaker 4: I mean, the Colts should have been selling. Obviously, listen. 00:40:11 Speaker 3: If you saw your players of the day, like you told me, with that kind of body language in the middle of a game, you already know it's time to go. Because they're not coming back. Once you lose them like that, they're not coming back. They're not coming back. The players know that too, Ocho. You can tell, man. Body language don't lie. It don't matter. When you watch it, you can tell it. 00:40:31 Speaker 1: And when I hear these sound bites after games, bro, they just waiting for it to happen. 00:40:36 Speaker 2: What's the deadline? Tuesday? 00:40:38 Speaker 1:

Tuesday, 4 o'clock Eastern. Yeah, they probably going to be the first one making some moves. 00:40:43 Speaker 2: Oh, they making moves right now. 00:40:44 Speaker 1: Because, hey, now it's been reported that the Giants rescinded their offer for Jonathan Taylor. Now, hey, John Harbaugh said, hey, we're not done yet. We still can revisit some things. 00:41:01 Speaker 2: Right. But, and people don't understand, man, when you losing. Yeah. 00:41:08 Speaker 1: You pouring everything into it. And you coming on, Joe, and you working hard. You like, this is going to be the week we're going to turn it around. And we don't turn it around. 00:41:17 Speaker 2: Boy, it's hard. You've got to be really, really professional. Yeah. To go to work. Yep. Knowing. 00:41:26 Speaker 3: Well, how do you think I was? How do you think I was? 00:41:28 Speaker 2: I don't know how you did it, bro. 00:41:30 Speaker 4: Hey, how do you think? 00:41:31 Speaker 3: Joe, I had one winning season. 00:41:34 Speaker 2: What? Oh, Joe. 00:41:36 Speaker 5: One. 00:41:37 Speaker 2: I know that's tough, bro. I'm going to tell you. 00:41:39 Speaker 4: No, it wasn't tough. 00:41:40 Speaker 2: It wasn't tough? 00:41:41 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. 00:41:42 Speaker 2: Hey, listen. 00:41:44 Speaker 3: My mindset was, okay, you know what? I'm going to Cincinnati. I'm going to, back then at the time, was the laughingstock of the league. Man, I'm at my little, not draft party, but all my family get together and they call my name. We go across the ticket on ESPN. I come out, everybody cheering. All my homeboys in the hood at the city, they like, Boy, what you happy for? You see what team you going to? Boy, they horrible. I'm saying, hey, hey, hey, uncle, I told them, boy, Joe, I swear for God. I say, watch what I do. I say, we might be bad, but I'm going to fill that stadium every time. I'm going to make Cincinnati, I'm going to make people comfortable being able to wear Cincinnati gear outside that city, being anywhere. I'm going to fill a stadium. Joe, I can fill a stadium up, Joe, all by. 00:42:33 Speaker 4: Myself, Joe. 00:42:34 Speaker 2: I already know it. 00:42:35 Speaker 4: We might be losing, but you coming to see what the hell is going to happen. 00:42:39 Speaker 1: I can't take getting my ass kicked. Hey, Katie, and if I got an opportunity, you know, Joe, I got drafted to the Broncos. They had just lost the Super Bowl. They had just went to the Super Bowl. 00:42:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:42:52 Speaker 1: And for the last five years, they went to the Super Bowl. In three of the last five years, they went to the Super Bowl. They lost, got their ass kicked. But I'm like, hey, I'm going with John Elway. Yeah. My only advice, my sister told me, Sheldon, don't be out there bothering that man all the time, joking, cracking jokes. 00:43:08 Speaker 2: No, I ain't listening to you. 00:43:10 Speaker 1: But it's hard because now I get there my first year. We go 5-11. We lose like six games in a row. 00:43:19 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:43:19 Speaker 2: I'm like, man, it's getting cold. Yeah. Oh, man. I said, man, it's got to be better. I said, we got to be better than this. 00:43:29 Speaker 6: Bro. 00:43:31 Speaker 2: It's tough. And I don't know how guys do it. I don't know how, Joe. Oh, Joe. 00:43:39 Speaker 1: When I came from Phoenix, we had just won like 65 games a year, bro. Out of 82, okay, Ocho. So we damn near winning every game. I think we finna kick ass every night. When I came here to Atlanta that following year, boy, and I tell y'all, we started off three and 29. 00:43:55 Speaker 2: Oh, Lord. 00:43:57 Speaker 3: Wait, hold on. 00:43:57 Speaker 2: Damn, Joe. 00:43:58 Speaker 3: Three and who? 00:43:59 Speaker 2: We started off three and 29, bro, I'll never forget this. 00:44:02 Speaker 4: I look at- I'm like- Damn, Joe, did y'all at least pinch him? 00:44:04 Speaker 2: Man, listen, Ocho, Ocho, why, hey, hey, you talking about depressed. 00:44:09 Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, but we can't, hey, look, we can, hey, it's gotta get better from here. 00:44:14 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:44:14 Speaker 2: You hear me? 00:44:14 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:44:15 Speaker 1: So I don't, hey, listen, man, I don't take losing well. That's why I work my butt off to try to be on top. 00:44:20 Speaker 2: You feel me? Yes, sir. 00:44:21 Speaker 3: Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, see, the funny thing about it is, is I don't take losing well either, right? It's a team game. I was dealt a deck of cards. I can't handle the deck I was dealt. I just had to play with that hand, right? So I got to do the best I can with the hand I have. 00:44:37 Speaker 4: And if I'm on a losing team, all I can do is my job. 00:44:41 Speaker 3: It's a team game. But, you know, we get paid. We get paid individually, huh, Uncle Joe? 00:44:46 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:44:46 Speaker 4: You understand what I'm saying? 00:44:48 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:44:48 Speaker 3: If there's going to be a shining light over this dark cloud we got, boy, it's going to be me. And not that I'm, not that I was used to losing, like, man, ain't nothing I can do about it except my specific job. 00:45:02 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:45:03 Speaker 1: That's why I kept my foot on their neck. If we losing, you're not finna be ball jiving. You're not finna be sleeping in no meeting. You're not finna be blowing no assignment. 00:45:13 Speaker 2: I'm on you. Damn, coach. No, bro. Because here's the thing, Ocho. 00:45:20 Speaker 1: You doing your job, but people looking at you, hey, man, the Bengals suck. Man, Ocho must suck. Nah, Ocho don't suck. Ocho doing what he's supposed to. They got me saddled with a bunch of guys that don't take this thing serious. 00:45:32 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:45:32 Speaker 2: I take it too serious. 00:45:33 Speaker 1: I take my job too serious. I put too much time in the offseason. I denied myself. I denied my family things. Nah, bro, you're not finna mess this up for me. 00:45:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:45:43 Speaker 5: You're not. 00:45:44

Speaker 3: And you know what too, Uncle Joe, them boys were playing hard though. You know how you just talked about Josh Downs and Jonathan Taylor. 00:45:51 Speaker 4: They body language? 00:45:52 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:45:53 Speaker 3: Nobody was like that. Joe, them boys were playing hard every week. The teams we were playing were just better. 00:45:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all wasn't that good though, Joe. The 49ers defeated the Raiders 38-17. The 49ers were throwing haymakers on the field and the fans were throwing them in the stands. They were reported 20 fights between fans inside and outside the stadium. Christian McCaffrey set a new NFL record for the most career-receiving touchdowns by a running back with 37, passing Marshall Falk, who had 36. To be honest, the kid that's in the photo I know that's gone viral that was sitting on my lap, I could have never envisioned. 00:46:34 Speaker 2: I could have never believed it. 00:46:36 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 00:46:37 Speaker 2: I could have never believed it. 00:46:38 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, a lot of, you know, Ochoa, I mean, I'm sure guys had kids around all the time, and they were all the time. Every Friday, they coming in. Hey, Lisa coming up, and they running in. Training camp, every day, Lisa coming up. They coming on the field after second practice. 00:47:00 Speaker 4: I got a good one for you, Uncle. You won't believe, Uncle Joe. 00:47:03 Speaker 2: What's that? 00:47:04 Speaker 4: Coach Hayes, our tight end coach at the time when I was there. 00:47:07 Speaker 2: Jonathan Hayes. 00:47:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jonathan Hayes. 00:47:10 Speaker 2: I played against him. He was in Kansas. I played against him. 00:47:12 Speaker 3: For real? 00:47:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:47:13 Speaker 4: His son, Jackson Hayes. 00:47:16 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, the basketball player. 00:47:17 Speaker 3: That is his son, isn't it? Man, hey, he was about this tall, boy. 00:47:25 Speaker 2: Like this. Like this. 00:47:27 Speaker 3: I seen him when the Lakers, I think the Lakers had played, I think the 76ers. 00:47:32 Speaker 4: And he came over to me. 00:47:33 Speaker 2: And I looked up. 00:47:35 Speaker 3: He said, oh, so I said, what the hell? 00:47:38 Speaker 2: Boy, you tall as hell now. 00:47:39 Speaker 1: What happened? 00:47:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, man. 00:47:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, how's everything? I said, man, golly, that's crazy. 00:47:45 Speaker 3: I didn't know he was in the NBA, honk. 00:47:50 Speaker 4: You got to think, once I lit. 00:47:51 Speaker 3: The bangles, I hadn't seen him because he was so little. And all of a sudden, he was at Lakers. I'm like, that's crazy. And I see him every Friday, like you said, honk. All the kids and the family come in. Every Friday I used to see them. 00:48:05 Speaker 2: And you know the thing is, all the fight, because guess what, Joe? Debate. Oakland, San Francisco. Yeah. 00:48:12 Speaker 1: Hey, even though they're the Las Vegas Raiders, okay, we got a very special guest joining us. Please welcome to the show Jordan Watkins, who scored his very first touchdown today against the Raiders. 00:48:23 Speaker 2: Four catches, 86 yards, one touchdown. 00:48:28 Speaker 1: After week three, you went to Kyle Shanahan and you asked him, how can I help the team? Yeah. A lot of receivers, Mike Evans has gone down. There are a lot of guys in and out of the lineup. So when you go to Kyle and you ask him, what can you do? What was his response? And what do you feel that you could do? 00:48:45 Speaker 5: Uh, you know, for me, um, that was kind of like a turning point for me because like, I never really, uh, expected the season to start that way, you know, um, being the first week being inactive on the sideline and sweats and, For me, I just felt like I needed some clarity. I needed to go in there and talk to Kyle, not even just on some ego stuff. It was just more so like, hey, coach, what can I do? What do I got to do? He just kept it straightforward with me. He told me you know, it's not really a receiver thing. Cause at the time, um, we need to help on special teams and stuff like that. So he just kept it real. He said, it's not a specialty. I mean, it's a special teams thing. It's not really, you know, your bad receiver or what it is. Um, and then just keep, he just told me, keep doing what I'm doing. Um, keep being aggressive in the run game, keep going out there. And at the time I was on the, um, I was on the look team, uh, And he was like, just keep making plays out there because you're going against the ones. 00:49:40 Speaker 6: And those are our guys. 00:49:42 Speaker 5: So you keep making plays against them and it's going to keep showing up. 00:49:47 Speaker 3: You know what? The fact that you even went in to ask the coach, you know, what I need to do, what can I do, how can I be an asset, you know, for us offensively, especially with the receivers going down. It's a great thing that you did do that. Not only did you do that, you backed it up with your play today. So, therefore, I can tell you based on experience and being in the NFL that When you have a player like that that can come in and ask a question on how I can help and you go out there and have a game like we had today, you never fucking have to ask that question again. Because now they know, okay, now we got somebody we can trust. Now we got someone we know we can count on that we can go to when we need to in certain situations. 00:50:23 Speaker 4: You know, when people, then they don't feel as bad when somebody goes down. 00:50:27 Speaker 2: Right, right. 00:50:28 Speaker 3: Next man up, and now you got a next man up that can actually do the job. 00:50:35 Speaker 1: Hey, man, I was beginning to wonder. With all the receivers going out, I thought y'all. 00:50:40 Speaker 5: Was going to call up Dijon. 00:50:44 Speaker 6: That man's preoccupied right now. 00:50:46 Speaker 2: Right, right. 00:50:49 Speaker 3: Hey, what did that feel like to have a day like that today, though?

00:50:52 Speaker 4: How did it feel? I know it had to be a weight off. 00:50:55 Speaker 3: Your shoulders, though. 00:50:56 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so. 00:50:57 Speaker 5: You know, I think two weeks ago, whenever we played Atlanta, Um, it was, I think it was a huge confidence booster for me. Obviously I think I had a, I had a touchdown call back and then I had another, um, crucial catch that was called back to, um, but still, you know, that's like a motive, like a motivation thing, kind of like, you know, kind of just getting your confidence back in your swagger back and things like that, because, you know, I really haven't been able to find a rhythm, uh, you know, with limited playing time and, you know, being on the sidelines and stuff, but, you know, to finally get those starter reps. And I think just going into a place like Seattle, um, as well, you know, hostile environment. The fans don't like you. It's a big-time game, divisional opponent. And then going out there and necessarily I didn't get any targets, but I was still involved in the offense and making big-time blocks and stuff like that. So, you know, just getting that confidence back. You know how it is, you know, as a football player. You got to get out there. You got to feel it. You know what I'm saying? You got to see what the corner's playing like, all this other stuff. So, you know, I think it's huge, huge. 00:52:00 Speaker 1: Hey, take us through that 37-yard touchdown that Brock purred it through you. Because the guy was draped all on your back. And what were you thinking when the ball was in the air? I'm sure you felt the guy who was covering you. But what were you thinking when the ball was in there? 00:52:14 Speaker 2: Like, damn, I got to get him. 00:52:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was trying to take him out and then slip him inside so that way I could get better leverage on him. But he stayed inside. And so I just had to take the outside. And I knew it was kind of like a timing thing. I knew it was a seven-step drop, so I really didn't know how much time Brock would have. You know, I kind of just tailed it a little bit. 00:52:35 Speaker 6: And then at. 00:52:36 Speaker 5: First, I'm like, man, I couldn't even see Brock. I'm like, man, if he's throwing this thing, the ball. 00:52:42 Speaker 2: Is already going to be in the air. 00:52:44 Speaker 6: So I couldn't even see it. And I'm like, man, the ball ain't in the air yet. And then I seen him throw it. I was like, oh, I got to go. 00:52:50 Speaker 3: I got to go. 00:52:52 Speaker 6: You know, I think it was a similar catch, you know, compared to the Atlanta one. Obviously, I didn't have to jump up. 00:52:57 Speaker 2: It wasn't. 00:52:57 Speaker 5: A toe tap or nothing like that, but it could have been PI. It probably should have been PI, but I don't care about that PI. I want that touchdown. Yeah, I want that touchdown, you know what I'm saying? 00:53:09 Speaker 2: Right, right. 00:53:11 Speaker 1: If you look at, despite all of your injuries, you still are 7-1. 00:53:17 Speaker 2: What has Kyle said? 00:53:19 Speaker 1: What has he instilled in you guys, no matter who's on the field? Because you got Bosa back today, but he's been out for an extended period of time. 00:53:27 Speaker 2: And you've had guys in and out of the lineups. But it doesn't matter. 00:53:30 Speaker 1: You guys are still rolling right along. 00:53:32 Speaker 2: What has Kyle said? 00:53:33 Speaker 1: What has he instilled in you guys to give you guys the confidence that you can win no matter who? 00:53:38 Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I think it's just our standard. 00:53:41 Speaker 5: Maybe that sounds a little cliche or whatnot, but I think it's just our standard and the way we approach practice every day. We approach practice like it's a game. You know what I'm saying? And we're out there. You know, it ain't no like, all right, you know, just tag off, let the guy run through. No, like even whenever we're not in pads, you know, it's a little less dialed back and whatnot. People aren't out their head button and stuff. But, you know, we still got to fit up on guys. We still got to get our blocks, make sure you're in front of the defender. So I think it just it goes all the way back to camp. Even when I first got here, for real, like, you know, I think that was one thing that they preached to us was just standard, standard, standard. The 49er way. How do we play? We play fast, physical, tough. And, you know, we don't back down to nobody. And I think that just carried on to everybody. Just next man up mentality. I mean, just look at myself and just maybe not even getting the ball, whatever it is, just being able to go in there and make plays without getting the ball. And we just got a bunch of selfish guys on the team that don't really care about the stats necessarily. We just want to win football games because at the end of the day, you know, if you don't win football games, you might you might lose your job. So. And they're going to be looking at other places like, all right, where can we get better? Where can we bring in a guy to replace this guy? Because he ain't doing his job. So I think that's what the coaches do a great job of, is just making sure that we're ready to go, no matter what the circumstances, no matter what the situation is. 00:55:07 Speaker 1: Well, obviously you play wide receiver position, and there's been a lot of talk about this week that Brandon Aiyuk was back in the building. And you can share your thoughts, but when you heard he was coming back, you're like, okay, I'm here. I got to do my job and then I'm going to let them take care of whatever they need to take care of. Right. 00:55:24 Speaker 5: And I think, uh, that's more of a front office type of deal. Um, you know, whenever I first got here, BA was always, um, always nice to me. He was always, you know, making sure that whatever I was running around, he'd be like, okay, this is what I would have done whenever, if I was

running around and stuff like that. So, you know, I don't really have no hate towards, um, BA. Uh, I think we were represented by the same agent now. So, um, And, you know, I just let the front office and the coaches handle that type of stuff. 00:55:53 Speaker 6: And, you know, we just go out there and keep playing ball. 00:55:57 Speaker 1: Well, you know you got a matchup next week. You play the Dallas Cowboys. That's Joe's team. 00:56:00 Speaker 2: They got a big win today. 00:56:02 Speaker 1: Obviously, their defense, they need to stack as many wins as they can because they got off to a sluggy start. I don't know how much film you've watched on them or have in the process of playing some of these other teams. 00:56:13 Speaker 2: Have you seen their defense? 00:56:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, they got a bunch of primetime slots, you know, being the Dallas Cowboys. So they're always on TV. So you always get to be able to watch no matter what. But I think they got a great group of guys. And I think they got some young guys in the secondary. So maybe they're still trying to figure it out and trying to figure out how to really adapt to the league because it is a huge adapt from college, the style of play, all the players are good, all the cliche stuff. 00:56:42 Speaker 6: So I think those guys are really, really talented. 00:56:46 Speaker 5: And I think it's going to be a huge challenge for us to be able to go out there and make plays as receivers. Because Kyle always says, You know, and our receivers, I mean, receivers coach always says to like, you know, it starts with us and it ends with us, whether it's the run game, whether it's the passing game, you know, it starts with the receivers and it ends with the receiver. 00:57:04 Speaker 6: So we just got to make sure that we go out there and, you know, just play our game. 00:57:10 Speaker 3: Hey, you know what? That's a PC answer. 00:57:12 Speaker 4: I like that. 00:57:13 Speaker 6: I like that. 00:57:13 Speaker 3: That's the answer you give to a reporter, but on here, you can talk your shit. So, how many, what y'all think y'all beat them boys? Y'all gonna beat the Cowboys by 20? 00:57:19 Speaker 5: Hey, I don't try to say too much. 00:57:24 Speaker 6: You know, I can't really say too much. 00:57:25 Speaker 3: Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. This is a safe place, though, where you can be yourself. You can let your head out, you know. Hey, the defense is bad. The defense is bad. I'm just going to be honest with you. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if y'all boys score 52. 00:57:38 Speaker 4: I'm just being honest. 00:57:38 Speaker 2: You can't say it. 00:57:39 Speaker 3: I'm going to say it for you. Y'all might score 52 because you got Christian McCaffrey, right? Once you establish the run, once y'all establish the run and it might not be at the backfield, hell, McCaffrey might be in the goddamn slot. Boy, y'all finna throw the ball all over the place. Boy, you might go for 200 next. 00:57:53 Speaker 2: Week, bro. Hey, not too much. 00:57:55 Speaker 3: Hey, Ojo trying to set me up. Hey, Joe, I'm talking to J-Dub. 00:57:58 Speaker 2: Nah, you being too disrespectful, bro. Not too much. Not too much. 00:58:03 Speaker 3: I'm talking about y'all defense. I ain't talking about, like, the offense. Your offense good. 00:58:07 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, J-Dub, he might go. What you had today? 00:58:10 Speaker 3: What, 64? 00:58:11 Speaker 6: 84. Yeah. 84? 00:58:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, tap another 100. 00:58:17 Speaker 2: Hey, hold up, though. Hold up. 00:58:18 Speaker 1: Hey, J.W., you done had a few explosive plays, bro, throughout the season. You looking forward to more opportunities, more times to make big plays out there on the field? 00:58:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so. 00:58:31 Speaker 5: You know, you kind of go back and looking at the weeks, and I feel like each week I'm just stacked on, like, and just keep building and keep building and keep building. Obviously, we got guys like Deebo, Mike coming back, And we'll see, you know, I never really look at that kind of stuff. 00:58:45 Speaker 6: Um, you know, I just felt like for. 00:58:47 Speaker 5: Me, I went out there and I made enough plays to where, you know, I could say that for me, not even in a cocky way, it's just like, you know, I know I can play ball. So. 00:58:57 Speaker 2: Right. 00:58:57 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. 00:58:59 Speaker 3: Hey, Shanahan, I know you're going to see the clip. Cause somebody on some guy. 00:59:06 Speaker 5: I said, I said not in a cocky way, you know, but, um, cocky for you. 00:59:11 Speaker 4: I'll be cocky for you. 00:59:12 Speaker 3: I got it, I got it. 00:59:13 Speaker 2: Hey, man, hey, J-Dub, you're going to control what he's controlling, bro. 00:59:17 Speaker 6: Pretty much, pretty much. You know, see if the opportunities keep coming my way. 00:59:21 Speaker 5: You know, I think that me and Brock, we're doing some good things on the field right now, so just being able to and be an asset to the team. 00:59:29 Speaker 6: You know, that's, that's what I'm looking forward to. 00:59:32 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:59:33 Speaker 1: That's what's up. Well, congratulations on getting a big win. Congratulations on getting your first touchdown. Hopefully that's the first. 00:59:40 Speaker 2: Yes, sir. Good luck the rest of the season. Stay healthy and come back. 00:59:43 Speaker 5: All right. 00:59:43 Speaker 6: I appreciate y'all. 00:59:44 Speaker 4: All right. 00:59:45 Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, when you see Trent Williams, tell him when I see him. I got you. 00:59:50 Speaker 6: I got you. I'll let him know. I appreciate y'all.