บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Joshua Bertrand & Robert Spearing

back and forth with Josh and at last year's symposium 71 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:53.079 he really helped me with the presentation that we did 72 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:57.160 on the follow up laboratory analysis on the material that 73 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:01.240 turned out to be a graphine aerogel. So that's pretty much. 74 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:04.920 He came across us with this piece of aro jeal 75 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:08.639 and we got in contact with each other. We can 76 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:09.879 work together ever since. 77 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:15.759 Exactly correct, very Neat and Bob, you gave a presentation 78 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:19.959 on the piece of material for two symposiums in a row, right. 79 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:24.000 Yes, yep, I don't. I didn't think we get into 80 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:28.800 it this early. But after we tested the material, the 81 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:32.040 first material it had to come to us through Turkey 82 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.879 because the Ukraine War was going on. So this fellow 83 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:40.040 Alan what's his name, r. Katie Grishenkov had just sended 84 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:44.879 Vya Turkey to our lab in Missouri, all right, and 85 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:50.759 he got it there amazing enough. And when our analysis 86 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:54.240 couldn't figure out what it was, I wanted to present 87 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:58.399 it at the twenty twenty three symposium in Dallas, and 88 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:04.079 so our lab technician mailed it to me certified all right, 89 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:09.319 and I got the little electronic notice on my telephone 90 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.439 that it had arrived at my mailbox. Now I live 91 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.360 in a community in the Popenos in Pennsylvania. It's like 92 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.480 a community. We don't get mailed delivered to our house. 93 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.759 We have to a mail room. And the inside the 94 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:25.680 backside of the mailboxes this postal US Postal service. The 95 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:30.720 outside is community. The vestibule and his cameras aimed at 96 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.560 the walls of mailboxes so I could notice that it arrived. 97 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:38.319 I put it and there's nothing in there but a 98 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:44.399 Yellow Pages and a supermarket flyer. And the clerk said, Bob, 99 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:48.000 I put a little white box in your mailbox yesterday. 100 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.720 We noticed the cameras were turned away from the mailbox 101 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.959 wall towards the door instead of the mailboxes that they 102 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.480 should have been looking at. There's also a side door 103 00:06:58.079 --> 00:06:59.360 where you can com in, so if you have a 104 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:04.399 master kid, you could take the sample unseen. And so 105 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.560 we wondered who would steal something from the United States 106 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:14.680 mail box. Maybe the United States government and we'll probably 107 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:17.120 get into that later where it may have ended up, right, 108 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:22.639 josh uh. Anyway, I panicked, all right, and the United 109 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:26.920 States Postal Service was not investigated. And I'm three months 110 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:29.639 out from the symposium. The sample's gone, and they reached 111 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:35.319 out to Andre Grishanka again. We started communicating one way 112 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:39.639 with signal, the other way with what's up, and I 113 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:44.160 managed to get him to send another sample to an 114 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:49.399 undisclosed location. We were using US nail mail with stamps 115 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.959 because it was apparent that somebody was monitoring our fund 116 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:56.040 email accounts and knew where the sample was the first 117 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:59.079 time it took it. So we wanted to make sure 118 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.720 we got the second sample, and we did, and we 119 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:07.240 presented it at the twenty twenty four symposium and at 120 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:12.040 that Vector of Australia was there and he's a neuros 121 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:17.680 scientist and he's affiliated with the laboratory called Paranormal Research Australia, 122 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.360 which is a highly accredited lab. I believe it's in Sydney, 123 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:27.199 and they did twenty thousand dollars worth of Gratus work 124 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:31.519 for us and delivered a forty two page report that 125 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:37.360 was absolutely stunning. So maybe after the break, I actually 126 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.519 had the little tiny piece of aerojail that we have left. 127 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:44.120 I'll show it to you guys, but put it in 128 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:46.440 my other room. I forgot to bring it in. So 129 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.120 that's what happened. And later on when we get into 130 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:53.279 this discussion with Josh, I'll tell you about the lab 131 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:56.639 results and everything that's been going on with dis Russian sample. 132 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.080 It's really an astonishing story. 133 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:04.360 Just quickly for our audience, can you describe what is 134 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:05.440 in air gel? 135 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.559 Oh? Josh should do that, sure. 136 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.000 So, an aerogel is a solid material that's been reduced 137 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:17.679 to its lightest form. If you have a normal gel 138 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:21.600 and you remove the liquid parts of the gel, your 139 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:25.120 left sort of

with a skeletal solid that's filled with 140 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:29.519 a lot of tiny pores where the liquids used to 141 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:35.480 be before they were removed. And that's sort of the 142 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:41.320 definition of an aerogel, a light porous material. I have 143 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:46.879 one here. This is a chunk of aerogel foam that's 144 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:51.559 made of polyamide. It's quite light. It's also quite strong. 145 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.320 You can try and bend it, and this isn't bending, 146 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:03.879 it's light. So many aerospace uses for these materials, and 147 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:08.120 they've been around for a long time. Aerrogel's go back 148 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:14.120 to the early part of the nineteen hundreds. Man named 149 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:20.759 Samuel Stephens Kissler was credited with the first synthesis of 150 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:25.480 aerogel and he documented that in Nature magazine in nineteen 151 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:29.600 thirty one. So we have quite a history of aargael 152 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.759 and happy to go through all of it and explain 153 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:39.519 how we got to today and then discuss the move 154 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:44.799 on sample because it doesn't appear to have any human origins, 155 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:52.840 and as Bob hasn't noted yet, part of PR's testing 156 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:58.879 identified that this sample has previously been in space before 157 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:02.279 making it to r Katie in Russia. So it has 158 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:07.720 an interesting origin that we haven't been able to fully 159 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:08.320 trace back. 160 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:15.120 Wow, So you know, maybe maybe if we started the 161 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:20.320 beginning of Kissler in nineteen twenty nine, was a professor 162 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:25.240 at a small university in California, I believe, and he 163 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:29.600 decided to take a semester ulf and he went to 164 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:33.159 Europe and if I'm correct, Josh, while he was in Europe, 165 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:41.320 pemt Einstein and the fellow was it the Dutch Hudson 166 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:45.000 Nutsen and what was Newton famous for? 167 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:51.360 Knudsen had previously about a decade prior to Kessler's invention 168 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:54.080 of air, Joel Nudsen was working on what was known 169 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:59.600 as gas float theory and Nudsen flow theory and all 170 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:04.159 of the theoretical ways that gas could move through tiny 171 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:11.000 pores in a material. And the suspicion that I have 172 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:16.879 now is that both Nudsen and Kistler were reversed engineering 173 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:24.919 and existing material, and that the inventions of nudsen gas 174 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:30.600 flow theory and aerogel itself are both rather than unique 175 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:34.960 inventions for verse engineering. And that's after looking at all 176 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:38.320 of the documentation, all of the papers that they were writing, 177 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:44.080 all at the time, the journals of Kissler. The sourcing 178 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:48.639 of the prior art of these inventions is not there, 179 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:53.759 and usually that is because of a reverse engineering effort. 180 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:59.399 Is almost nothing in kissler source material how he came 181 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.919 about in venting this, But when he came back from Europe, 182 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.840 all of a sudden it becomes a sensation because he 183 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:11.879 develops this this aerogel, and he initially tries to sell 184 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:15.360 it to DuPont. He gives them a six month I believe, 185 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:21.279 contractual study and they turned him then down and then 186 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:29.600 next he happened two months Santo. And that's another interesting story, Okay, Josh, 187 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:33.120 why would Monsanto want aerogel? 188 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.559 So at the time, Monsanto was, as it is now, 189 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:43.240 a large chemicals firm, and a in Boston had a 190 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:48.279 factory setup that used alcohol to produce this aerogel. So 191 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:53.639 they licensed the aerogel patent from Kissler and US government, 192 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:59.000 and in the forties and fifties, Monsanto is making a 193 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:04.399 specific variant of aerogel called Santo cell, and they're using 194 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:09.039 it to cool down industrial parts. So if you have 195 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:13.000 a metal rivet and you're wanting to put it into 196 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:17.679 a hole, you can chill down that rivet with aerogel 197 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:24.440 because it'll absorb the heat and acting as an industrial refrigerant. 198 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:30.960 At that time, it's fairly unique in its ability to 199 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:36.200 carry out that chilling process on an industrial site. In 200 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:41.919 the thirties and forties, after Moncento has it, the US 201 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:48.279 government does eventually consolidate the airgyle's research back into government hands, 202 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:53.279 and in about nineteen fifty six, when the Atomic Energy 203 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:58.080 Act has sort of taken hold, and they're consolidating a 204 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:02.600 bunch of these research areas. All air agels research as 205 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:06.600 well as all lighter than air helium and hydrogen research 206 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:12.000 gets concentrated at three places, and

they are right Patterson 207 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:17.240 Air Base, the Redstone Arsenal and Los Almos National Labs. 208 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.879 So in the nineteen fifties you see all of these 209 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:25.879 materials consolidating to the same places that are supposedly working 210 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:30.960 on the UFOs and UAP and the crash recovery analysis 211 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:35.000 of those is going on at the same place as 212 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:42.080 the aerogels research. So certainly an interesting coincidence. I think 213 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:45.679 there's more than a coincidence in that usage. We'll later 214 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:50.000 talk about the history of lighter than our vehicles, and yeah, 215 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.519 I think all of those tie back into airgels and 216 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:01.799 these UAP incidents, a lot of them usulity can be examined, 217 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:06.000 and some of the evidence points to our own craft. 218 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:13.399 Yeah, and interesting enough, we were talking before about that 219 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:18.639 Kissler may have actually reverse engineered a material that he 220 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:23.519 somehow came in contact with. If you go back to 221 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:28.360 the airship wave of eighteen ninety seven, you get a 222 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:33.360 lot of these cigar shaped objects and we're we're eventually 223 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.000 going to take this, Josh, and I is all the 224 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:42.159 way to the tic Tac Okay. So where did the 225 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:46.159 reverse engineered material come from? Josh has one thought. I 226 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.840 have another thought. Josh believes that it may have come 227 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:53.679 from the Aurora, Texas eighteen ninety seven crash. Okay. And 228 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:59.879 what's interesting about the Aurora, Texas crash is they've done 229 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.519 searches of the well where they believed that some of 230 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:06.039 the material from the damned craft may have been found, 231 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.480 but they found nothing. And that may be because they didn't 232 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:13.440 know what they were looking for, because one of the 233 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:18.839 things about aerogel is that you don't really need an engine, Okay, 234 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:25.039 So if they were looking for mechanical parts to a 235 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:28.440 craft that can fly without an engine, and Josh can 236 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:32.359 get into that later, they wouldn't know what they're looking for. 237 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.240 So there might actually be pieces of aerogel all over 238 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:41.160 a Rootexis world, you know, even today, crash of something 239 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:45.000 that came down from the sky, witnessed by multiple people 240 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.839 and slamming into a bunch of trees, and it had 241 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.920 no pilot and it had no engine. And this was 242 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:57.279 verified by Jerome Clark, who found the Jerome Clark was 243 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:02.000 the former editor of Fake Magazine, wrote the UFHON Encyclopedia, 244 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:06.359 and he actually found the newspaper article that described that 245 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:10.880 story in details. So again you have something chreshing down 246 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.400 from the sky that people believe was a craft, that 247 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:18.160 it was pilotless, and they were confused because it had 248 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.079 no engine. And again, if you're using an aerogel, you 249 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:25.160 don't need an engine. But that technical aspect of it 250 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.000 all I would leave up to Josh to explain, because. 251 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:35.799 So when you mean lighter than air, basically it's the 252 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:42.079 material itself is is basically an elevator, fly or whatever 253 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:44.920 without any propulsion system. 254 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:51.680 Yeah, the aerogel material can become buoyant through actually several 255 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:59.400 different processes. In one several variants of aerogel, mostly carbon aerogels. 256 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:05.200 You can heat the material up by either exposing it 257 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:10.920 to a heating coil or by honestly just using concentraty light. 258 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.240 If you focus enough light on a piece of carbon aerogel, 259 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:20.759 the air that is trapped in those tiny pores of 260 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:24.680 the aerogel material gets hotter. And when air gets hotter, 261 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:28.400 it expands and so it loses its density. At the 262 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:32.839 same time, so when the air trapped inside of the 263 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:39.160 object becomes lighter than the atmosphere that's surrounding the aerage 264 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:45.000 shell itself, the object toolant and it can lift up 265 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:49.559 in the atmosphere. So wow. There are some videos that 266 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:53.960 I've shared of carbon aerage dells where just shining a 267 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:57.200 light on them causes them to float up in the 268 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:04.119 lab and it's quite interesting. There's another process where because 269 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:10.839 aerogel itself can contain a vacuum, you can make a 270 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:16.880 sphere or a tic tac cylinder of aerogel, and on 271 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:21.640 the inside of this shell you're containing a vacuum, so 272 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:26.000 there's nothing on the inside that entire craft. The shell 273

00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:30.160 with the vacuum on the inside can become lighter than 274 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:34.480 the air that surrounds it in the atmosphere, and so 275 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:38.559 it as well can become buoyant and theftuff becoming a 276 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:39.200 lighter than air. 277 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:46.200 That explains these are These are typically your airships, your aerostats, 278 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:50.200 your balloons that are filled with hydrogen and helium. 279 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:54.480 Goes back to the sixteen hundreds, we can get into 280 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:57.640 a bit of the history of that program because some 281 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:03.640 of those technologies apps do align with the sightings that 282 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.359 get seen at the time. So a lot of us 283 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.640 that have investigated UAP for quite a while realize that 284 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.200 there's a aspect of the phenomenon where it seems to 285 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:20.799 quote unquote mimic our technology process and our technology progress. 286 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.240 Part of that could be that we are in fact 287 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:32.440 seeing advanced human made prototypes that are being mistaken for 288 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:37.599 alien craft because the prototypes, the programs themselves are at 289 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:42.839 the time classified. So even if you're working in the 290 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:47.160 Navy or the Air Force, just because you're a member 291 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:50.079 of the Armed forces doesn't mean that you know the 292 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:55.400 entire capabilities of the Armed Forces. Some of these programs 293 00:21:55.519 --> 00:22:00.359 make one off prototypes that are only seen by the 294 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:04.319 engineering team that works on it, and when it gets 295 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:09.960 demonstrated in the atmosphere. Sometimes these craft crash and require 296 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:17.759 crash recoveries, and as we discussed those three sites that 297 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:22.279 they concentrated the aerogels and Lighter than Air materials research at, 298 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:27.279 when you do a craft recovery, the debris gets sent 299 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:30.519 back to those same sites. So if you have a 300 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:34.480 crash of a lighter than air prototype, the debris will 301 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:39.799 get sent back to Redstone Arsenal, los Almost National Labs, 302 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:46.039 or Bright Patterson Air Base. How does it handle in water, 303 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.920 That's a great question. In the ocean, so aerogel itself 304 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:57.000 can be super hydrophobic, which means that the material, the 305 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:02.799 aerogel material itself will repel water naturally. So one of 306 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:08.880 these craft, as we've theorized them, that contains a vacuum 307 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:13.279 can operate just as well in the atmosphephere and underwater 308 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:20.440 and in space. It's multi and in space arigels have 309 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:24.599 been tested in space. They took a patch of aerogel 310 00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:27.920 and stuck it to the outside of International Space Station 311 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:30.759 and left it there for a couple of years and 312 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:39.759 remarkably resistant to degrading compared to other materials. If you 313 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:43.960 put in one of these aerogel craft in space and 314 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:49.920 you have multiple compartments within the larger craft, you can 315 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:56.319 have a pressurized compartment for crew and passengers, and the 316 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:00.680 aero agel will actually retain that pressure in the crafts 317 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:04.000 that it doesn't leak out into space, and vice versa. 318 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:08.880 It'll prevent the void of space from sucking the atmosphere 319 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:13.440 out of that separate part of the craft as well. 320 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:19.880 The aerogel does provide protection from cosmic rays and charge 321 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:24.240 particles in space, So there are certainly a lot of 322 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:29.599 positives to have a spacecraft made with an aerogel exterior 323 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:31.119 or at least aerial. 324 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:34.680 And it would be the perfect material for a trans 325 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:35.839 medium UFO. 326 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:41.240 Yeah, I believe, Yeah, Bob. 327 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:44.319 Do you know if you guys tested heat. 328 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:46.160 Or water on your side? Know what they did in 329 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:52.160 the laboratory was a lot of electron microscope work and 330 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.559 basically what they came up with was that a they 331 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:01.039 could tell that the material had been in space because 332 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:06.400 it had been exposed to cosmic rays. They also discovered 333 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:11.839 that it was a graftine aerogel, and they also discovered 334 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:17.240 that it was comprised of a molecular structure using carbon 335 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:21.599 sixty fulerine wucky bulls, which is the strongest form of 336 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:26.279 carbon a lot of times used in the airspace industry. 337 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:30.920 There was also some sort of crystalline structure to it 338 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.839 that may have at one point been growing. So well, 339 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:38.000 in all, it was a very unusual material. But the 340 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:42.279 most startling two aspects of the entire forty two page 341 00:25:42.359 -->

00:25:48.200 report was that a they could not identify the manufacturing 342 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.640 process and to B they could not identify any sort 343 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:57.359 of manufacturer on Earth in their database that would be 344 00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:02.079 able to manufacture something like this. Interestingly enough, I got 345 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:04.640 a call from Josh maybe two or three months ago 346 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:09.599 because there was a fellow at Lockheed Martin what. 347 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.920 Was his name, that scientist Van Durich. 348 00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:20.039 Van Duorrich says that Lockheed Martin acquired multiple samples from 349 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:24.559 multiple non governmental organizations over the years through the United 350 00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:28.559 States government, and one of the samples that they had 351 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:34.039 had the ability to observe the heat, which is exactly 352 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:39.559 what a narrow gel does. And this this scientists claimed 353 00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:41.960 that we don't have that technology, that it's two to 354 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:46.079 three hundred years in the future possibly. Okay, so this 355 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.920 goes try to start. Russ called Park reported it and 356 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.720 that seems to be exactly what the sample that was 357 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.559 stolen from my mailbox would be able to do. So 358 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.640 if what was solen from my mailbox is an in 359 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:05.480 Lockheed Martin's hands now, and that's the sample talking about, 360 00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:09.160 there are other examples just like the one that move 361 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:12.119 on lost that are out there making their way to 362 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:12.880 lock keyp More. 363 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:19.720 It is sire a difference between lighter than air and 364 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:24.240 anti gravity, So are they. 365 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:29.799 Anti gravity is contains slighter than air but is expanded 366 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:32.880 past that. I think when they're referring to an anti 367 00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.759 gravity craft, it's a craft that has the ability to 368 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:41.000 separate itself from the typical restrictions of gravity and inertia 369 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:46.240 in any way. A lighter than an air craft would 370 00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:52.319 still be subject to the gravity and inertia of physics 371 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:59.400 in our planet, but because it is buoyant, it would 372 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:04.960 be able to resist the attraction of gravity. So a 373 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:07.799 boyant craft will be able to rise in the atmosphere 374 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:12.039 without having a typical engine or a fan, just because 375 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:16.839 it is lighter than the surrounding air. That's fascinating. Whereas 376 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:22.200 an anti gravity craft, as theorized, would use some kind 377 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:26.799 of a bubble to separate itself from the craft, so 378 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:32.160 it's relying on some kind of additional engine to produce 379 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:33.279 that bubble. 380 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:40.039 When did we start seeing aerogel's get start being used 381 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:43.240 in you any kind of flying vehicles. 382 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:51.559 Well, they're used today in modern planes. Some parts of 383 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:55.680 the plane are replaced with tradition, they replace the traditional 384 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.680 metal or plastics with an aerogel, just to save weight. 385 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.079 If you save a couple pounds of weight on an airplane, 386 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:08.160 you're saving a lot of fuel. Over one year of service. 387 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.920 So sometimes even just minimizing the weight of a part 388 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:16.079 can be one of the uses of an aerogel. But 389 00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:21.960 again that has been largely in the past twenty years. 390 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:27.000 So if aerogels have been around since nineteen thirty one, 391 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.119 in about ninety years, it's only really in less twenty 392 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:35.599 that they've started to enter the aerospace field, and in 393 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:41.559 limited uses. There are a type of craft that we've 394 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:46.319 briefly alluded to that contains a vacuum in a shell 395 00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:51.680 of aerogail. Those craft are called aerogel vacuum Lighter than 396 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:58.559 air craft. They've been worked on by Los Almos in 397 00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:06.400 the last five years, and the US government just last 398 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:11.200 month put out a tender that says that the technology 399 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.079 has been proven and that they're licensing it out to 400 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:21.799 government contractors to go into full production of these back imbloms. 401 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:28.240 So we see it right now in limited aspects of aerospace. 402 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.319 I think we're about to make the leap where it 403 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.480 replaces traditional helium and hydrogen ballooning. Wow. 404 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.799 And Josh, you mentioned to me a couple of times 405 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:44.440 that the advantage of not using helium is that helium 406 00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:50.039 is an exhaustible supply that at some point the world 407 00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.880 will run out of helium that cannot be replaced. So 408 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.000 why wasted on large aerostats. 409 00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:05.160 Yeah, so helium is very difficult to renew resource. You 410 00:31:05.200 -->

00:31:10.000 can fractionally distill it from natural gas. So when you're 411 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:15.559 processing natural gas, some percentage of that is helium, and 412 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:20.359 if you distill that off while you're siphoning natural gas 413 00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:23.599 from a well, you can get some amount of production 414 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:29.680 quote unquote of new helium. You can also generate helium 415 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:35.240 in nuclear processes. That's relatively expensive for what you get. So, 416 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.920 because helium is used in other things for the human race, 417 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:45.079 like if you require an MRI need helium to cool 418 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.599 the magnets in it. If we put all of our 419 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:54.720 helium into airships at the border, which exists right now, 420 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:01.920 there's these airships made by Lucky Martin called the Persistent 421 00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:11.319 Threat Detection System or TARS tethered aerostat, and they sit 422 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.000 at the border, they look down with cameras and because 423 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.799 they are filled with helium, they just they don't require engines. 424 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.559 They just hover there on their own and look down. 425 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.039 If we need to bring one of those back down, 426 00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:28.200 you have to vent the helium out of it or 427 00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.279 tether it down. So some of these craft don't have tethers. 428 00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:35.400 They're big airships filled with hundreds of millions of leaders 429 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.880 of helium. If you want to bring that airship down, 430 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.319 you vent the helium and you never are able to 431 00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:43.039 use it again. 432 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:48.559 If you have a aerogel vacuum craft that doesn't require helium, 433 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:53.640 it's just pumping our own atmosphere in and out of 434 00:32:53.680 --> 00:33:00.480 the vacuum chamber to change its buoyancy. So costwise, quite 435 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:04.400 a bit more effective, because he William has been getting 436 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.680 more and more expensive too, as we use more and 437 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:07.079 more of. 438 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:11.160 It up on these airships, and eventually it'll run out. 439 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.640 Eventually it'll get really expensive and we won't have anything 440 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:18.079 to run MRIs anymore. So we're going to have to 441 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.359 eventually figure out a different way to achieve buoyancy. 442 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:26.039 In nineteen ninety four, I went on a Biopho expedition 443 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:31.759 to Puerto Rico, and I remember seeing the aerostat system 444 00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:38.160 that they had overlooking a lake. I was by the sea, 445 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:43.279 but there was a lake called Laguna, and apparently people 446 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.119 were witnesses were seeing these objects coming in and out 447 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:51.599 of the lake, and so it just so happened that 448 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.680 they had the airstat there and whether their stat was 449 00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.240 there for the purpose of surveillance of that lake or 450 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:04.920 also for a drug introduce as well. But yeah, that's 451 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:07.799 that was always fascinating to see that. And then and 452 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:11.079 then I saw the ones that are their stats along 453 00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.039 the border in Texas, very similar features. 454 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:18.760 Had they used them at a bunch to the military 455 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:25.880 basis in Iraq and Afghanistan too. The problem is it's 456 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:27.760 a lot of helium to fill one of. 457 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:33.480 Those up and the events out of them, and you 458 00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:35.679 don't ever get it back. It rises to the top 459 00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.800 of our atmosphere and hangs out in your space. 460 00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:45.039 I mean, so now that the question that everybody always 461 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:50.440 asks Josh is well, if you release the vacuum to 462 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.760 make it go up and down, it can go up 463 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.880 or down super fast. But people always ask the same question, 464 00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:00.639 how do you make it go horri on them? The 465 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.519 object and you mentioned that solar panels and lasers and 466 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:05.480 stuff like that. 467 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.719 Yeah, so there's a couple of theoretical ways that you 468 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:15.199 could move one of these ultra light vacuum aerogel craft. 469 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:22.360 Traditionally on a normal lighter than air helium blimp, you 470 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.800 have an external engine. So a lot of the larger 471 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:31.960 blimps will have bagel electric engines or big diesel engines 472 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.039 attached to them and they move around by using those 473 00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:42.639 to propel them. Aerogel craft could have attached engines traditionally, 474 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.960 but there are other ways that you can move these 475 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:52.599 extremely light objects around. In the nineteen sixties in Canada, 476 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.800 there were some experiments done out of Shirley's Bay, which 477 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:01.119 is a military base near Ottawa, and what they did 478 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:06.760 is they use microwaves to keep a satellite suspended in 479 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.440 orbit for a year.

So when the satellite would decay 480 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.000 in its orbit and begin coming back down towards the Earth, 481 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:20.599 they would hit it with microwaves which would cause it 482 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:26.280 to retain its station in the atmosphere. So in a 483 00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:32.679 similar process, you could use microwaves or a laser very 484 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:38.559 tightly controlled to add energy to this craft and cause 485 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.199 it to move around in that way, sort of controlling 486 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:47.159 it by hitting it with pulse energy. Another way that 487 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:51.519 you can move these craft around is by taking advantage 488 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:57.000 of that internal vacuum chamber. So because you can pull 489 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:03.039 air into the vacuum chamber and exhaust the airback out 490 00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:07.920 of the vacuum chamber. You can use that to produce 491 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.800 your own sort of motor, where the motor is the 492 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:18.639 craft itself drawing air in and it's expelling the airback 493 00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:23.800 out and using its own vacuum chamber and the properties 494 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.719 of the craft to achieve that. So I don't think 495 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:33.239 that would move very fast. The craft themselves are ultra light, 496 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:39.079 so they do. When you look at the acceleration curve, 497 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.320 F equals tome the force equals the mass times the acceleration. 498 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:48.000 Because these craft are so light, you don't need a 499 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.440 lot of force to accelerate them. So if you have 500 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:58.559 an F eighteen weighs twenty pounds, it requires two big 501 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.360 engines to push it around. You have an aeroge of 502 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:08.800 vacuum sphere that weighs less than a pound and is 503 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:13.119 buoyant in the atmosphere. Well, if you applied the same 504 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:17.639 force that you're applying to one of those jets by 505 00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:25.320 putting a jet engine on this lighter than aircraft, it 506 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:32.800 could achieve radical accelerations. But as far as we understand, 507 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.159 this is unproven. So if this is going on, it 508 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.480 is truly going on in a black budget program where 509 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.639 we aren't seeing the results of that and there are 510 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:55.159 some precedents for that occurring. Recently, DARPA had a drone 511 00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:01.760 called the Organic Air Vehicle Prototype. What this was was 512 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.480 a single ducted fan engine that would act as a 513 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.400 drone itself, so

that f twenty two or eighteen that 514 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.440 we were just talking about. Take all of the plane, 515 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:18.239 take the pilot, take the wings, take all of that off, 516 00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:20.559 and you're just left with an engine. 517 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:21.679 Well, if you. 518 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:27.000 Put a sophisticated drone controller on that engine, the engine 519 00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:31.639 itself can fly around without all of that weight of 520 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:35.559 the rest of the plane. So it's also going to 521 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:39.119 be able to out maneuver the plane just because it's 522 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:43.079 not carrying all of that extra weight around. And one 523 00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.679 of the pictures that I think I sent you, Alex 524 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:52.000 was the Kestrel drone, which, yeah, that's one of them there. 525 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:58.800 So in the early two thousands, this program was started 526 00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:03.880 by DARPA as the Organic Air Vehicle Demonstrator Prototype, and 527 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:11.800 both Honeywell Defense contractor and BAE, a British defense contractor 528 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:18.000 were funded to create a prototype of this single fan drone, 529 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:24.639 and according to DARFA at the time, the program went 530 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:29.880 dead after both of EA and Honeywell submitted their prototype. 531 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.559 What had actually happened was EAE had been successful in 532 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:40.519 their demonstrations to dark and the program went silent for 533 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:45.079 two decades, and now in twenty twenty five, twenty years later, 534 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.800 it had come back out and as you can see 535 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:52.199 in that picture in front of you, they have succeeded 536 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.840 at their goals of making a single ducted fan drone. 537 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:04.239 I actually believe they've been successful at this scale, as 538 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:08.280 that drone is relatively small, it's got a fairly endered 539 00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:12.960 electric motor on it. One of the things that has 540 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:19.639 been showing up in several UFO sightings is drones that 541 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:25.079 this single ducted fan drone, but at the scale of 542 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:33.000 a jet engine. So if you imagine that BAE Systems 543 00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:37.679 worked for twenty years on this, but at the same time, 544 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:41.920 if they had a Rolls Royce jet engine that they 545 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:46.079 were doing the exact same modifications too. That Rolls Royce 546 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.719 jet engine would be able to function as a UAP. 547 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:54.559 It could ninety degree turns that could out maneuver any 548 00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:59.960 jet aircraft that we currently have. And I do believe 549 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:05.039 that they that they exist, and specifically I believe that 550 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:09.440 they are being tested at Egglin Air Force Space in Florida, 551 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:17.239 because the Apollo Spacecraft UAP that was seen on film 552 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:23.920 by Congressman timber Chet, Congressman or former Congressman Matt Gates, 553 00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.360 and Congresswoman Anapauline a Luna at Eggland Air Force Base 554 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:37.599 was described as a Apollo capsule covered with a gun 555 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:44.440 metal riveted coating and having an orange exhaust that it 556 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:50.039 caused blurry air at the back. Well, that pretty. 557 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:56.920 Much describes a single aducted fan jet engine with a 558 00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.840 metal riveting around it. 559 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:05.760 So if you imagine that single kestral drone that you 560 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.000 just saw before this, and you put a bunch of 561 00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:13.880 metal around the outside to shield what your prototype is 562 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:19.559 or provide a cowling for the air intake, you end 563 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:23.079 up with that drone. And I think that's what they're 564 00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.400 seen around Egglin these days. 565 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:33.719 But I have a couple of questions. The huck, the 566 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:41.960 tic tac. It's rounded on both ends right, there's no 567 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.280 description of any sort of propulsion coming out of one 568 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:49.000 in and they're covered. Yet they're so maneuverable too from 569 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:54.760 descriptions of piloting encounters. But does that mean that that 570 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.840 there it can still be ours or is it or 571 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:00.800 is it a terrestrial what we're dealing with. 572 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:07.039 So I think it could be both. As Bob and 573 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.599 I were discussing earlier, we don't know the source of 574 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.719 some of these aerogels that are showing up on Earth. 575 00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:21.480 And part of the claim from Lockheed Martin is not 576 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:26.159 just that they have those small samples that Vandorich was testing, 577 00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:29.119 but that they have an entire craft. And one of 578 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:35.280 the claims is that Lockheed has fully analyzed and reproduced 579 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.679 these craft, and we're looking to sell one of these 580 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:43.079 craft to a different defense contractor. As far as I 581 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:47.320 understand it, it was Lockheed was going to transfer the 582 00:44:47.519 -->

00:44:52.400 craft to Big Low Aerospace BASS and that it was 583 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:58.360 blocked by Glenn Gaffney of the CIA. 584 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:00.239 You know. 585 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:05.159 You know, it's interesting if you remember Michael Crichton, who 586 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:08.159 wrote the book The Andromeda Strange Jurassic Park, he also 587 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.920 wrote a book called Sphere. It turned into a movie 588 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:17.400 with Samuel L. Jackson and Dustin Hoffman, I believe, and 589 00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:21.480 basically one premise of the movie is that a team 590 00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.360 of scientists are investigating a uffellow on the bottom of 591 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.480 the and when they get inside the UFLL, which is 592 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:34.760 like a giant sphere inside is a United States aircraft 593 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:39.480 made of composite materials that was built three hundred years 594 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:42.719 in the future. All right, so what we're talking about 595 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:48.280 air agel or composite material The plot of this book 596 00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:52.280 by Crichton, who seemed to have inside information on a 597 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.119 lot of things, almost makes you wonder that the sample 598 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:59.679 mouf on God that maybe Lackey Martin has that similar 599 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:03.840 they actually be from several hundred years in the future, 600 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.119 and they actually be us, which would be you know, 601 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.800 putting us into the whole time travel thing. 602 00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:12.840 That's amazing. 603 00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:23.679 Hues, are you familiar with Joshua or Bob fair Child Industries? 604 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:32.079 Uh, they were into, uh seeing metals that can resist 605 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.119 high heat or they were doing a lot of research 606 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:38.480 on natas curious of that name or of that. 607 00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:40.719 Girl space. 608 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.280 I'm not sure if they're still still around, but uh, 609 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:48.800 whether that that their research has been also a part 610 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:49.239 of this. 611 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:56.199 Probably josh I know a little bit about fair Child, but. 612 00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.679 I don't know about that specifically. But a lot of 613 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.519 the materials that they were likely working on have ended 614 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.639 back in industry and have been innovated over the last 615 00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:09.320 little while. A couple of those extremely heat resistant materials 616 00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:16.519 ended up at Lockheed. The LH nine hundred and LH 617 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:21.320 twenty two hundred were used as the thermal tiles on 618 00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:25.440 the Space Shuttle. So on the bottom of the Space 619 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.519 Shuttle they had these cube silica tiles that were made 620 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:33.719 by Lockheed that absorbed the heats of re entry through 621 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:38.519 the atmosphere. So certainly has been some progress on those 622 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:40.800 heat resistance and materials. 623 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:46.760 So Fairchild right when one of von Bruin, who invented 624 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:48.840 the V two rocket World War two, came over in 625 00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.639 operations paper Clip and he worked on secret projects in 626 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.039 New Mexico in the nineteen fifties and then went on 627 00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.719 to work for NASA and he basically designed the Apollo 628 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:03.320 spacecraft that took us. 629 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:03.719 To the movie. 630 00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:11.639 He ended his career working at Fairchild Industries and his 631 00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:15.880 his secretary was doctor Carol Rosen. And I don't know 632 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.199 how many of you know doctor Carrol Rosen, but she claimed, 633 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.679 uh SHEI did a lot of touring with with Stephen Greer. 634 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:27.639 Later on, she claimed that von Bruhan told her while 635 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:31.519 they were in a fair Child that the fake alien 636 00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:37.920 invasion stuff, that basically the weaponization of space would take 637 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:44.440 place in gradual steps. They would use the fear of terrorism, 638 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:47.719 I think nine to eleven, the fear of an asteroid collalition. 639 00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:53.800 We just deflected the orbit of an asteroid to see 640 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.119 if we could do it in the future. And fake 641 00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:03.199 alien invasion and so it's fake. Everything's fake because it's 642 00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.480 all about the weaponization of space. And if you know 643 00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.039 anything that's going on right now with the Russians and 644 00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:12.039 the Chinese and Americans, it is all about the weaponization 645 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:16.960 of space. So you're here now that at lists three 646 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:22.840 three Atlas is a spaceship, it's a mothership, abby Lobe 647 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:27.039 saying it's it's going to go behind the sun, you know, 648 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.599 launch an alien invasion and all of the crazy stuff 649 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.320 you're seeing on Facebook right now. Oh it can go 650 00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:35.880 leaster than the speed of light. Thing, Well, if it 651 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.079 went than the speed of light, how could you see 652 00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.199 it because it would be energy. I mean, there's so 653

00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:46.400 much misinformation going on that vulnerable people can fall for that. 654 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:49.519 You know. I almost wonder if they're going to pull 655 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.239 a fake alien invasion of us at this point. 656 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:56.159 That's definitely been used for the expansion of the reconnaissance 657 00:49:56.599 --> 00:50:01.679 state over the last twenty years. We now have Starshield 658 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:07.679 looking up and we have our extension looking down and 659 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:11.880 all of the money that the government, all of our 660 00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:16.320 taxpayer dollars of the government has spent, have funded a 661 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:22.480 massive spy network that essentially covers every centimeter of planet Earth. 662 00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:28.559 And they're currently funding star Shield, which is looking out, 663 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:33.400 so a network of satellites that look out and cover 664 00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:38.400 every near Earth object and certainly looking for that alien invasion. 665 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.559 Whether it's actually coming, I severely doubt it. I think 666 00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.119 most of these craft that we're seeing right now are 667 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:52.119 human created dark prototypes that are not being acknowledged because 668 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:57.079 we're in an arms race with two near adversary peers 669 00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:58.480 of China and Russia. 670 00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:03.880 And Large Shield is elon Musk, just like Starlink is. 671 00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.519 And a couple of years ago I found a very 672 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:13.719 interesting correlation between Starlink today and the star Wars program 673 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:19.679 on Deronald Reagan. There was one concept and a network 674 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:26.440 of killer satellites that would go around the globe right, 675 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:31.159 and basically it looked like sort of an oval lung 676 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:36.800 oval with the solar array, so like a Venetian blind. Right. 677 00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:41.360 That was the concept drawing that you can find on Wikipedia, 678 00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:46.159 and it was going to be called Operation brilliant levels, 679 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:50.119 but it came to the conclusion that that technology would 680 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.519 not be achievable to the first quarter of the twenty 681 00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:59.480 first century. If you look at the coverage map of 682 00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:04.800 star wark Link and the coverage map that was projected 683 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:09.519 for Operation Brilliant Pedals, it's on step drawing of an 684 00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:17.119 Operation Brilliant Pebbles satellite, all right, killer satellite. It is 685 00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:22.000 an exact duplicate of what a Starlink satellite looks like. 686 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:26.400 So I've always been under the impression that Starlink is 687 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:30.079 an only for Internet service, all right, that Starlink is 688 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:34.800 probably a defensive weapon also, And now in the first 689 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:39.199 quarter of the twenty first century, the technology was achievable. 690 00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:40.639 Yeah. 691 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:47.559 So before Elon's Starlink, they had a network of satellite 692 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:52.480 operated by the NRO, the National Reconnaissance Office, and these 693 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:57.280 satellites fed into a AI analysis system that took the 694 00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:02.960 data from the satellites, and the original intent of Sentient 695 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:07.039 was to attract Soviet missile launches. So if you see 696 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:11.039 a hot spot on one of your satellite images, you 697 00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:16.199 could use the NRO Sentient system to track where that 698 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:20.679 missile launch was headed towards and it would give you 699 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:27.920 an advance warning of where was being targeted. Starlink is 700 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:34.719 an expansion of the NROS ancient system. Every one of 701 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:38.599 those Starlink satellites also has a camera that is looking 702 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:42.280 back down at Earth. It is not just a communications satellite, 703 00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.719 it is a reconnaissance satellite that is acting as a 704 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:50.280 communications Really I was suspicious of that. 705 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.280 I live not too well a couple hours away from 706 00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:59.239 Vandenberg Air Force Base, and they've been constantly launching missiles 707 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:04.920 with stars Link satellites, and I thought, what's the relationship between, yeah, 708 00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.320 with the star Link and with the military. 709 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:13.800 All of the previous generations and RO satellite launches were 710 00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:17.360 also from Vandenburg, So it's a pretty good tell of 711 00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:22.599 what's going on. And the Chinese certainly are interested in 712 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.800 what's going on at Vandenburg. They've had several of their 713 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.840 citizens arrested for flying drones over the base in the 714 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:36.239 last two years. 715 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.239 Well, I think we're getting ready to head into a 716 00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:42.480 break now and then we'll talk more about the Russian sample. 717 00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:43.199 And we get back. 718 00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:49.280 And we're back. Just one question before we do get 719 00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.440 into the sample, Josh, I'm just curious, how did you 720

00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.639 get into the topic of aerojelish. You know what first 721 00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:58.840 interested you or how did you get into the research. 722 00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:03.960 I think the first time that I got interest in 723 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:09.559 aerogels was one the announcement of material called aeroloi was 724 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:13.679 made for the first time. And what an aerolois is 725 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:21.239 is if you have that skeleton of aerogel made from 726 00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:26.280 reduced removing the liquid components of the gel, it can 727 00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:30.480 be very brittle. If you then take that skeleton and 728 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.119 coat the entire thing in a polymer, you end up 729 00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:38.920 with what's called an airloi and it's quite a bit 730 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:45.199 more rigid than a typical aerogel. And when that innovation 731 00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:50.039 hit the scientific news for the first time, it started 732 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:54.400 my interest in aerogels and kept up with them ever since. 733 00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:59.440 And in December I'm going to be at the third 734 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:05.519 International Aerogel Symposium in Boston. So there's still a lot 735 00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:08.840 of interesting things going on in the field, even though 736 00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:14.079 aer agels have been around for ninety three years, still 737 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:14.960 cutting edge. 738 00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:17.480 Hopefully we can get you in at some point at 739 00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:19.920 one of the MOFON symposiums to do a presentation on 740 00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:21.000 some of your research. 741 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:22.280 It sounds it gonna be a great topic. 742 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:27.800 Yeah, that'd be great, maybe co produce something with Bob. 743 00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:31.159 There you go. I got a little little tiny piece 744 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:35.679 of aerogel from outer space there that nobody knows where 745 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:39.199 it came from. So I got a putness back in 746 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:43.320 a secret location because I don't want to lose the 747 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.559 second sample. So but yes, I think Josh would be 748 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:49.639 an excellent speaker at a mouf On symposium. We're just 749 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:55.159 actually getting started on creating lists of possible speakers for 750 00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:58.639 the next symposium, which will be the last week in 751 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:02.719 August this twenty twenty six, coming. 752 00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:03.280 So. 753 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:09.960 Very exciting, very exciting. So you you have the one sample, Bob, 754 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:11.480 they don't keep one at the lab or they're just 755 00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:12.519 done with all all the test spy. 756 00:57:12.760

--> 00:57:16.480 We only have one tiny little sample left, yep. And 757 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:18.519 it actually made its way all the way back from 758 00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:24.400 Australia to me, all right, So yeah, we may try 759 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:27.440 to work with with there's a university that may want 760 00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:31.480 to do some more analysis on it. But if we 761 00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:33.760 lose it, we never get it back, so there's a 762 00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:35.960 certain concern about about things like that. 763 00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.800 Of course, of course, do you have it right there? 764 00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:40.239 Pop? 765 00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:43.079 Yeah, I have it right there. It's very tiny, very 766 00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.519 very tiny. I have it in a little big there 767 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:46.679 at the bottom. Can you see it? 768 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:48.079 I can. 769 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.440 I can see the little black, little black speck there. 770 00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:57.119 Yep, it almost it almost feels like a chip of 771 00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.480 plastic to make you know. 772 00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:04.639 So, did you look through it with a microscope? 773 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:05.840 Have you looked at Yeah? 774 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:08.519 It did. We have a forty two page report. It's 775 00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:10.559 it's remob. Yeah, Josh, you saw that. 776 00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:11.719 Yeah. 777 00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:16.039 I actually sent Alex I think three pictures from that work. 778 00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:17.880 Yeah, so I can pull up a cop pictures see 779 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:19.760 of people an idea of what the sample looked like, 780 00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:23.239 you know before Bob. Bob of course has a very 781 00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.320 small fraction of this left. But this was what the 782 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:27.920 original sample looks like when it got to the lab, 783 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.280 and you can see it looks very much like a rock, 784 00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:35.639 you know which Bob's earlierst comments. As they didn't know 785 00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:37.559 what they were looking for in the well in Texas, 786 00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.360 it very well would have looked like rocks in the bottom. 787 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:42.159 It could have been they saw a pile of rocks 788 00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:43.920 in the bottom, and this is what they saw something 789 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.320 similar to to this material. 790 00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:52.880 So that that in itself, that's just a piece if. 791 00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:58.159 Yeah, and apparently apparently ur Kadie Grushenko. He had dozens 792 00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.840 of pieces. He ended up kueing them up. He didn't 793 00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:04.760 know what they were, and then when it kept reappearing 794 00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:08.119 over the course of a week, he

started to think that, hey, 795 00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:10.360 this isn't dirt. 796 00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:17.639 Yes, that shows a bunch of the pieces that Muffon's received. 797 00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:22.000 The one piece that's indicated by the red arrow is 798 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:26.679 the piece from the previous image that showed all three 799 00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:30.440 sides of that sample. I believe the piece that Bob 800 00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:34.079 still has in that bag is one of the smaller 801 00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:39.920 pieces sort of central in this current image, and the 802 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.920 number Rob can tell us where the larger pieces ended up. 803 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.079 I think the upper right is the first sample that 804 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:45.559 we lost. 805 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.039 If I recall Bob, I believe that that is the 806 00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:50.400 one YEP that was the one that was in the mailbox, 807 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:55.239 and that was tested by three labs, and basically the 808 00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:59.679 three labs used similar tools. They used X ray fluorescence 809 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:04.960 GON and the two Russian labs were gemalogical labs, and 810 01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:08.519 they were able to analyze that ninety of it they 811 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:17.480 couldn't identify, and ten of it composed of titanium, carbon, 812 01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:24.440 arsenic and several other trace elements. But that was about 813 01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:26.360 as far as far as they got the move on 814 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:32.480 X ray fluorescence gun couldn't figure out anything. The Russian 815 01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:37.239 labs were more sophisticated than ours, but the PR sample, 816 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:45.599 the Paranormal Research Analysis Paranormal Research Australia Laboratory really really 817 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.960 went into depth about it. You've got some more pictures 818 01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:50.519 there right. 819 01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.719 Yes, we have another good close up of one of 820 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:54.559 the edges. 821 01:00:54.719 --> 01:01:01.440 And this is the fibrous crystalline type of structures that 822 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:05.960 they found within it. And at one point they thought 823 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:10.320 that these things were actually growing in the sample, and 824 01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:18.719 they were very very they saw what looked like holes 825 01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:23.719 that could have been like fatigue where at a microscopic level, 826 01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:26.559 the way the Space Shuttle blew up, there may have 827 01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:33.079 been a reason for this craft from this alien Timmock, 828 01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:36.159 you if, if that's a true story, that it may 829 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:38.079 have crashed because there may have been some sort of 830 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:41.679 fatigue he got in destroyed the craft in a Space 831 01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:48.679 shuttle type of way. But I can't explain what these 832 01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:54.239 fibrous growths are or why they were growing at one point, Josh, 833 01:01:54.280 --> 01:02:03.880 can you No, No, okay, but it's not organic, don't 834 01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:08.320 you know. I believe they may have actually used the 835 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:11.599 word organic in the report, but I haven't looked at 836 01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:13.519 report like a year and a half now, so I 837 01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:14.480 can't be sure. 838 01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:20.199 How is it different from the material graphite? Yeah, when 839 01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:24.719 you showed the other picture the little black, I understand 840 01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:28.599 graphite is used also high resistant to heat. 841 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:35.039 Are you familiar with that? Yeah, So you can have 842 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:41.519 graphite and a version of carbon called graphene, and those 843 01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:48.079 both exist as natural solids. You can find them on Earth, 844 01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:54.079 naturally formed. The difference of this material is the specific 845 01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:59.159 porosity of it. So the tiny little pores that are 846 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:05.039 formed throughout the material are what makes it unique and 847 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:11.159 what determines that it's most likely in eer agl and 848 01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:16.679 a graphene or graphite in its natural form would not 849 01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:20.199 have those tiny pores. It would just be a solid material. 850 01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:23.960 Is this before the liquid or is this after the 851 01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:28.320 liquid has been removed or yeah? Okay, that's what gives 852 01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:30.199 us that that surface. 853 01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:36.760 Hey, Josh, I just remembered three things that you told me. 854 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:41.119 One is that is that aerogel if it was being say, 855 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:45.199 used in a ticktack. It's a fairly slippery surface so 856 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:49.679 air goes around it easily. And also you mentioned it 857 01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:54.840 has a very good stealth rating. Do you remember telling 858 01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:59.559 me those those two things A golf bowl pores, Could 859 01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:00.760 you explain that one to me? 860 01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:01.800 Like? 861 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:06.159 Sure, Yeah, So we touched on it a bit earlier. 862 01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:13.239 Some of those super hydrophobic aer agels because of the 863 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:17.639 structure of the pores at the boundary of the material, 864 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:21.199 at the outer layers of the material, as you said, 865 01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:25.800 it can be extremely slippery. So if you pour water 866

01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:30.679 onto a super hydrophobic ero agel, it will bead and 867 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:34.559 run off, so it won't interact with the material itself. 868 01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:36.440 There's a natural repulsion. 869 01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:40.239 The witness actually for this one, he actually had a 870 01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:43.679 couple of videos of him. There was one good picture 871 01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:46.119 if he has the piece of stone sitting on a 872 01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:49.639 flower pedal, sitting on like the inner areas. He also 873 01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:51.760 had another couple of videos of him putting it in 874 01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:54.679 a mug of water and just watching it float around, 875 01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:57.760 you know, didn't absorb the water, didn't sink as a 876 01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:01.239 normal stone wood. And I was always found that so fast. Yeah, 877 01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.039 there's something that looks like a rock can just float there. 878 01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:07.719 And I've seen a video where I think it was 879 01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:11.760 Lucky Martin with a shown a very very bright heat 880 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:16.000 lamp on the aerogel, and it actually like floated up 881 01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:20.800 well all right when heat was applied to it. But 882 01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:25.039 you said it had a stealth a good stealth rating too. 883 01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:33.679 Yeah. So, normal helium balloons are radar transparent, so if 884 01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:39.039 you try to detect hot air balloon with radar, you 885 01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:44.599 may catch the gondola, but the balloon itself is completely 886 01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:53.559 invisible to radar. Similarly, these polyimide and carbon aer agels 887 01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:59.400 are also largely radar transparent. They don't give a good 888 01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:04.960 return to the radar signal. So just due to the 889 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:11.440 material itself not being a strict like steel aluminum metal, 890 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:16.280 you do gain a bit of stealth just through the 891 01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:18.199 material process itself. 892 01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:22.760 And the golf bill. If it's that you told me about, 893 01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:23.760 explain that one to me. 894 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:27.199 Yeah. So, one of the things that I've theorized about 895 01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:32.679 these rounded cylinders and spheres made of aerogel is that, 896 01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:38.679 in addition to the super hydrophobosity providing that natural repulsion 897 01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:43.719 of water and air, the tiny pores that are on 898 01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:49.480 the entire surface of that material, because it is an aerogel, 899 01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:53.199 would act like the divots on a golf ball, so 900 01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:59.280 they would produce tiny vortices of air at the boundary

901 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:06.280 levels of those pores, which would enable the material itself 902 01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:14.199 to reduce its interaction with the water medium or the 903 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:19.159 air medium that it was moving through. So similar to 904 01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:22.840 how a golf ball has divots on the outside of 905 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:30.599 it to produce those air whirls that would reduce the 906 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:33.599 interaction as it's moving through the air after you've hit it. 907 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:39.079 An air agel sphere or an aerogel rounded cylinder would 908 01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:43.679 also have that going on at the nanoscale because of 909 01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.079 the nanopores on its boundary. 910 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:49.840 Okay, the reason why, the reason why I want to 911 01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:53.400 just I forgot to send it to you. Alex By 912 01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:57.800 sent a video to a Bill, our engineer, maybe ten 913 01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:01.320 minutes ago, and I was hoping maybe he could get 914 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:05.559 it up. It's something that we call fast movers. In 915 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:10.400 move On. We have two reports and the internet has 916 01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:17.920 about seven others. Say, filming autumn foliage over a lake 917 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.880 in Canada, and all of a sudden, this very small 918 01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:24.319 object maybe big from blows by it. And when we 919 01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:28.680 did frame by frame by frame analysis, it looked like 920 01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.880 this little white thing that could have been like a 921 01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:35.560 small tic tack or sphere was going at an estimated 922 01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:39.520 five thousand miles per hour. A month later, we got 923 01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:41.880 a second video, which is the one that I sent 924 01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:44.399 Bill ever Engineer, and if you want, Alex, I'll re 925 01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:46.760 send it to you, because I don't have a response 926 01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:48.920 from him. I'd like to show that before the end 927 01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:53.479 of the hour. The second one was over North Carolina 928 01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:59.000 several thousand miles away three weeks later, and the frame 929 01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:02.760 by frame analysis showed that that object was going ten 930 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:07.399 thousand miles per hour. And these are low altitude objects 931 01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:09.960 that are just happened to be caught by a drone 932 01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:13.880 five hundred feet up in the air. And the witness 933 01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:16.520 who sent in this particular video that i'd like to 934 01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:20.319 the show later actually slows it down to the point 935 01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:23.399 where you can actually see it coming frame by frame. 936 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:27.279 At normal speed, you'll miss it the first three times 937 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:29.239 that you're looking to see it. So I'm going to 938 01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:32.039 send that to you now and maybe we can get 939 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:33.359 that up before the end of the show. 940 01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:38.680 All right, Yeah, that'd be fantastic. When you see things 941 01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:40.640 like that, Bob, what do you think you're seeing? 942 01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:48.039 I mean, that's hard to say whether it's alien or 943 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:53.399 future technology or something experimental or something from one of 944 01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:58.600 our adversaries. But I mean, can you track something that 945 01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:04.760 fast on radar, Josh ten thousand? No, huh, okay, so 946 01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:08.239 that'd be a perfect spy vehicle. All right. And if 947 01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:15.760 I have videos of these in Upper Canada, North Carolina, Germany, Wisconsin, 948 01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:19.800 New York State, think of the ones that we're not 949 01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:24.439 capturing accidentally with commercial drones. All right. There may be 950 01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:28.760 thousands of these things flitting at low altitudes all over 951 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:30.880 the planet. All right, it's fascinating. 952 01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:38.399 I'm going to specifically rule out our technology. Nothing that 953 01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:43.279 any of the labs have disclosed publicly that has made 954 01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:48.560 it into the publicly acknowledged technology sphere. Nothing goes five 955 01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:51.199 thousand or ten thousand or even close to that. So 956 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:55.000 it is either something that is completely in a dark 957 01:10:55.079 --> 01:11:00.640 program based on some of this technology, or it's non human. 958 01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:07.560 Or a future technology like Lockheed Martin maybe suggest them. 959 01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:10.439 Yeah, something still in a back black program. 960 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:12.720 It looks like too, Bob, we do have that video 961 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:16.479 ready to play. Let's let it run. 962 01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:32.239 Focus a little above the house on the lower right, 963 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:46.359 and that's your best JC coming. It's already gone. 964 01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:46.319 Yeah, I see. 965 01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:49.720 I'm surprised they noticed it because it's so quick yep. 966 01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:56.479 So there's there's two of these videos in Moufond's database, 967 01:11:56.560 --> 01:12:02.039 and there's about five more on the internet exactly exactly 968 01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:08.000 the same, fast moving object and it's just going to 969 01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:10.359 be beat now for a while till the very end. 970 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:17.840 It doesn't look very big either

compared to now overseeing much. 971 01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:22.039 Smaller than the house. Yeah, it's like maybe one fiftieth 972 01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:23.119 the size of the house. 973 01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:28.720 And since the drone's at five hundred feet and the 974 01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:32.000 object goes between the drone and the ground, you can 975 01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:36.000 determine a sort of maximal size for the drone because 976 01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:39.720 it's not something that's off at a distance. It's something 977 01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:43.199 that's less than five hundred feet away from the drone 978 01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:44.079 at one point. 979 01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:47.119 And what's scary is that, let's say this thing's going 980 01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:50.279 this thing's flying at two hundred and fifty feet above 981 01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.199 the ground at five to ten thousand miles per hour. 982 01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:57.800 You know what stops it from running into something? You know, 983 01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:02.600 what is its maneuverability capability? You know, to avoid something 984 01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:08.000 at that incredible speed, flying that low. So it's certainly 985 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:13.239 not a natural object, that's for sure. So that's where 986 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:18.560 we're at with these with these drones and Josh, you 987 01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:20.359 didn't mention the LASH craft. 988 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:27.039 Oh yeah, LASH would have fit a bit earlier in 989 01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:33.199 this timeframe. So at the two thousand and three Lash 990 01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:40.479 Nimitz incident, we don't have aerogel vacuum drones at that point. 991 01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:44.079 They're the last five years, so you wouldn't have them 992 01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:49.319 for fifteen years yet. But during the Lash incident, there 993 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:54.319 was a lighter than aircraft being tested in San Diego, 994 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:59.479 and that craft is called the LASH, the Littoral Airborne 995 01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:04.960 Sense or hyper Spectral, and what it was is it's 996 01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:09.600 a sensor attached to the bottom of a balloon and 997 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:15.960 the sensor is used for looking down on the littoral area, 998 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:21.319 so shallow waters and it'll be able to see through 999 01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:27.039 the water and marine biologists will use the LASH to 1000 01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:31.680 track whale pods. But our Navy. 1001 01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:36.079 Was intending to use the LASH to provide a heads 1002 01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:45.039 up awareness for submarines where the submarine could launch from 1003 01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:50.880 underwater an aerostat, a LASH aerostat that would rise out 1004 01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:54.920 of the water and provide a heads up display of 1005 01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:58.720

the surrounding area for the submarine, so to give it 1006 01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:04.800 extra connaissance and extra awareness about its surroundings. And these 1007 01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:09.279 were being tested in San Diego at the exact same 1008 01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:13.880 time as the NIMTZ incident. So one has to wonder, 1009 01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:18.319 since these were being seen going up and down, which 1010 01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:23.479 is something that a tethered aristat can do, whether what 1011 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:27.319 they were seeing was this testing of the LASH going 1012 01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:32.680 on in the same area as the NIMTZ was doing 1013 01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:33.399 its incident. 1014 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:38.439 Well, you mentioned our ravish saries, what are the Russians 1015 01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:39.359 and Chinese doing? 1016 01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:41.319 So? 1017 01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:45.399 I have seen evidence that the Chinese have taken wholesale 1018 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:50.880 this entire technology chain from America and just completely stolen it. 1019 01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:56.720 And they have this base in their northern desert where 1020 01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:00.920 there's this giant three hundred foot long hangar that they 1021 01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:06.640 have where we've seen both their newest stealth drones being 1022 01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:11.119 operated out of that hangar, as well as lighter than aircraft, 1023 01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:18.439 including the large balloon that transited over North America. That's 1024 01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:23.279 where they are taking those programs which were developed with 1025 01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:29.159 American taxpayer dollars at our national labs, and they've taken 1026 01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:32.640 these darker programs and they're just making copies of them 1027 01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:39.640 and ignoring the patents and rights surrounding it. So, in 1028 01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:45.000 addition to having the large balloons that have underslung payloads. 1029 01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:52.600 We suspect that they've also stolen the aerogel vacuum craft technology. 1030 01:16:55.359 --> 01:17:01.159 China and America right now are very contentious around aer agels. 1031 01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:07.680 One of our domestic companies was going to use a 1032 01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:13.720 Chinese manufacturer named Hualu to produce their aerogels. They were 1033 01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:17.720 offering to produce them at a low cost. So the 1034 01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:22.720 American company bit at that and gave them the designs 1035 01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:27.920 and told them all the specifications of their developed secret aerogel, 1036 01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:33.279 and Hualu took that and cut the contract, and now 1037 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:37.520 they flood the market with cheap knockoffs of that American 1038 01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:44.319 company's aerogel. And we suspect that, since they are putting 1039 01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:48.199 a lot of funding towards these aerogel and lighter than 1040 01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:52.720 air programs, that the Chinese are also working on creating 1041 01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:58.439 these aerogel vacuum craft but that the technology has branched 1042 01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:03.840 where they stole it, and now they're developed technologies and 1043 01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:09.840 our developed technologies are diverging. So you'll see two perhaps 1044 01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:19.439 separate technology chains as a result of this. Fascinating Thank you, Hey, 1045 01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:19.840 Can I. 1046 01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:24.199 Go back to the Chinese bloom incident? Oh, it's one 1047 01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:31.399 of my favorite cases. What's really interesting is that they 1048 01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:34.239 shoot down that the Chinese ballooon, probably with the hell 1049 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:37.319 Fire missile, because like we saw that video two weeks 1050 01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:41.479 ago from the US Congressional hearings where there was an 1051 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:44.399 object off the coast of Yemen, which I believe was 1052 01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:48.319 some sort of balloon personally, and they took it out. 1053 01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:50.439 We think, because we never get to see the whole 1054 01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:54.279 video and they'll never release the metadata to prove it 1055 01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:58.279 actually happened on October thirtyeth twenty twenty four near Yemen. 1056 01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:01.560 We just have to take a congressman's word for it. 1057 01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:06.560 Who got the video from somebody? All right? Yeah, so 1058 01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:09.399 they took it out with the Hellfire missile. You can 1059 01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:13.000 see the Healthfire one coming in from the left and 1060 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:16.479 passing it on the right. Move on. Did an analysis 1061 01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:21.319 where when it went through the balloon shaped object, the 1062 01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:24.840 health Fire actually slowed down. And it's the type of 1063 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:28.680 health fire that doesn't have ordinance. It has blades. It's 1064 01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:31.680 made to fly into a human being and chop them 1065 01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:35.079 to bits, all right, like a yes, all right, So 1066 01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:38.680 that's what makes me think this is a ballooon. What's interesting, though, 1067 01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:42.479 is that in the Moufon analysis the three little satellite 1068 01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:47.039 objects that deploy or pop out of the larger object. 1069 01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:52.079 One of our photo analysis team members, Greg Cisco, a 1070 01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:59.560 State Section director in Illinois Mufon, is an astrophotographer, and 1071 01:19:59.640 -->

01:20:04.920 he's stacked. He used this astronomy photography software to stack 1072 01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:08.319 images of the video one on top of another, and 1073 01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:13.479 then he zoomed in and the small object on the 1074 01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:17.520 upper left is a cube. There's no doubt about it. 1075 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:20.840 It's a cube shaped object that came out of the balloon. 1076 01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:23.760 All right, But I digress because I want to go 1077 01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:27.720 back to the February what was it twenty twenty two 1078 01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:31.640 to twenty three Chinese balloon shootdown. A week later, the 1079 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:39.119 United States military shot something down near Barrow, Alaska, on 1080 01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:42.800 the Tundra Okay, very top of Alaska. And then also 1081 01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:47.760 it was either Alberta or a British Okay. They shot 1082 01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:51.000 the second object down, and then the third object they 1083 01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:56.079 shot down over Lake Uran near the Upper Michigan Peninsula. 1084 01:20:56.600 --> 01:21:00.479 And I want to just make a few analo sees 1085 01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:04.000 about the fact that after five days of searching for 1086 01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:09.000 these three objects, they called off the search because they 1087 01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:14.840 felt that the terrain and the weather were two against them, 1088 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:18.039 and that they would never find these objects. So as 1089 01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:21.800 far as the Alaska object goes, the United States has 1090 01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:22.800 the ability to find. 1091 01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:33.720 I think we lost Bob talking about recoveries. 1092 01:21:37.279 --> 01:21:39.880 Okay, this happens to me all the time. When I 1093 01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:45.159 get to a good point. They could have found that object, 1094 01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:49.600 all right. Now. The second thing is find the object 1095 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:53.560 in British Columbia, because it was in dense forest. Later 1096 01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:57.000 that year, a plane went down in Amazon with a mother, 1097 01:21:57.159 --> 01:22:01.159 a pilot, and five children, and they they found that 1098 01:22:01.279 --> 01:22:04.279 plane in a week. They actually found the kids alive 1099 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:08.439 about three weeks later. The mother died from injuries. But 1100 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:11.319 if you can find a small little cessna in the 1101 01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:13.800 Amazon jungle, and I was in the Amazon jungle, I 1102 01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:16.720 flew over the Amazon. It's like four hours. You're flying 1103 01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:20.359 in this prop airplane and there's nothing below you the jungle. 1104 01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:24.560 And they found that little plane in a week, all right, 1105 01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:26.920

And you can't find something in the Canadian wilderness. But 1106 01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:30.840 the worst part was was the Lake Urine shoot down. 1107 01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:34.600 That was an octagon shaped object. According to the pilot. 1108 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:39.119 All right, they know where it went down, within ten miles, Okay, 1109 01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:42.600 in one hundred and forty two feet of water. Okay, 1110 01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:46.720 and they plan they caulled off the search, but they 1111 01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:52.000 didn't because two newspaper articles came out later that year that, oh, 1112 01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:55.199 two ships that sunk in the eighteen hundreds in Lake 1113 01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:58.840 Urin were found. After one hundred years, you suddenly find 1114 01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:01.840 two ships. They were looking for something else and accidentally 1115 01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:05.279 came across those ships. All right, how can you not 1116 01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:07.520 find something in one hundred and forty two feet of water? 1117 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:11.159 And I make my case by stating this. When the 1118 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:16.800 titan submersible went down to the Titanic and imploded, the 1119 01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:21.399 search field was the size of Connecticut in the ocean, 1120 01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:27.239 in twelve thousand feet of water, and they found that 1121 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:31.039 submersible in three days. So you can't find something in 1122 01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:33.640 one hundred and forty two feet of water in Lake Uron, 1123 01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:37.960 all right. They either A don't want to tell us 1124 01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:41.000 because it was so embarrassing that they shot down balloons 1125 01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:45.039 or hobby blooms, or B it's something so bad they 1126 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:47.560 just can't tell us. All right, it's one of the 1127 01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:51.079 other to me. But they found those objects, They're just 1128 01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:53.840 never going to tell us they did. That's my th. 1129 01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:59.399 And as we were discussing earlier. That NRO sentient system 1130 01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:03.600 is going to see the explosion where the balloon gets 1131 01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:07.239 taken out or the object gets taken out, and it's 1132 01:24:07.319 --> 01:24:11.239 going to have a memory of exactly where that occurred 1133 01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:16.319 over the Earth. So these aren't huge swaths of forests 1134 01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:19.119 that they would need to be searching. In British Columbia, 1135 01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:23.199 they know the exact area, so they've probably already sent 1136 01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:27.279 a crash recovery team out there. As for the Alaska one, 1137 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:31.199 as far as I remember, there was sea ice covering 1138 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:36.079 where the shootdown

occurred, so any debris would have been 1139 01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:39.039 able to be recovered off of the sea ice. It 1140 01:24:39.079 --> 01:24:44.720 didn't go down into the ocean. And I have heard 1141 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:50.119 through secondhand sources that there was debris recovered at least 1142 01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:54.840 the Alaska one, so and that they said it was 1143 01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:57.439 similar to air Agel. The person that told me. 1144 01:24:57.439 --> 01:24:59.880 That, yeah, the one in Alaska, they said, for what, 1145 01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:03.319 for what it's worth, it was ticktac shaped. The lask 1146 01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:05.960 and one right pilot said it was ticktac shaped. What's 1147 01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:10.319 interesting is that the octagon that went down in Lake 1148 01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:14.920 Uron two years prior, because MUFON looked into how many 1149 01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:17.960 other octagon sightings there were, and there were a lot, 1150 01:25:18.039 --> 01:25:20.840 and a lot of them were near military bases within 1151 01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:23.720 five miles of where they shot this object down in 1152 01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:26.920 Lake Uron. Another there was a UFO report in the 1153 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:29.840 Moufon data based two years prior of an octagon in 1154 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:35.119 that same area. So you know this is a recurring thing. 1155 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:39.239 What's going on. And these octagons, they all seemed to 1156 01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:44.039 be within a certain size range thirty to sixty feet 1157 01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:47.840 based on drawings that people submitted. And in one case, 1158 01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:52.119 if you're familiar with fran Ridge of Nicap, his Madar 1159 01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:56.520 three system, which is a series of little cigarette sized 1160 01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:59.840 devices you attached to your modem on your computer, and 1161 01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:03.439 basically it does two things, looking for UFOs. It was 1162 01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:05.760 about two hundred and forty bucks to become part of 1163 01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:10.720 his network. They look for changes in barometric pressure and 1164 01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:17.079 compass gyrations that seem abnormal. The barometric pressure are because 1165 01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:19.319 they're looking to see if something's coming in from the 1166 01:26:19.359 --> 01:26:23.479 atmosphere or leaving the atmosphere suddenly. And there was a 1167 01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:28.880 UFO report of an octagon near Fort Knox, Kentucky. All right, 1168 01:26:29.119 --> 01:26:31.239 And I forget the day. It was August something, twenty 1169 01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:35.720 twenty three, at four eighteen in the morning. This fellow 1170 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:39.600 saw this giant octagon come down over his house four 1171 01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:43.159 eighteen in the morning, at the same exact

time fran 1172 01:26:43.279 --> 01:26:48.960 Ridge's made our system closest to Fort Knox triggered at 1173 01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:52.840 four eighteen in the morning. So we actually have forensic 1174 01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:56.760 proof to verify that at four eighteen in the morning 1175 01:26:56.840 --> 01:26:59.920 something came in from the atmosphere that was octagon shaped. 1176 01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:04.039 So the mayd Air can tell you the shape too. 1177 01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:08.119 Now the witness in a report said that it was 1178 01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:11.560 octagon shaped and he actually drew a very very well 1179 01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.039 done illustration of it. 1180 01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:16.720 Wow. 1181 01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:21.399 They can't be too common of a shape, no. 1182 01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:24.520 I think out of one hundred and forty five thousand cases, 1183 01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:28.560 we found something like thirty or forty and about eight 1184 01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:33.600 of them had a drawings, no photographs, but the people 1185 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:36.079 would draw comparisons like they were on a highway in 1186 01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:38.279 a car and they drew the octagon over the highway 1187 01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:40.520 in the car. And just from knowing how wide the 1188 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:44.000 lanes where, we realized that these things are between thirty 1189 01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:48.720 and sixty feet max. And the majority of the sidings 1190 01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:53.439 were within five miles of military bases, including special operations 1191 01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:55.199 in San Diego. In one case. 1192 01:27:59.159 --> 01:28:05.560 I was just curious the this material. Is it crash 1193 01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:13.880 resistant or is it very fragile? Uh, it's it's it's 1194 01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:16.960 towards the fragile and if you impacted one of these 1195 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:19.800 on the ground, it would likely break. But there are 1196 01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:23.119 errorgells that you can hit it with a hammer and 1197 01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:28.640 it doesn't shatter. So it's not just the original silico 1198 01:28:28.880 --> 01:28:34.520 blue aer agels were very fragile. There are variants now 1199 01:28:34.600 --> 01:28:41.920 that are more structurally mechanically strong. You might see where 1200 01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.840 I'm going with this question, but what if how does 1201 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:48.319 lightning does it? What if it was hit by a 1202 01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:53.199 lightning bolt, would it cause it a extracial craft? 1203 01:28:53.600 --> 01:29:00.319 If it didn't cause the craft itself to rupture, as 1204 01:29:00.399 --> 01:29:04.520 long as the vacuum is being maintained on the inside 1205 01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:08.359 of the craft, it's going to stay buoyant. So one 1206 01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:11.239 of the things with these craft and some of the 1207 01:29:11.319 --> 01:29:16.800 recent anti drone weaponry, a lot of those rely on 1208 01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:26.359 hitting a functioning electronic motor drone with em of various 1209 01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:30.520 sources and overloading the drone, which causes the motors to 1210 01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:32.880 stop and the drone to fall out of the sky. 1211 01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:36.680 The issue with these boyant drones is if you hit 1212 01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:43.279 a buoyant drone with that counter uas energy system. Buoyant 1213 01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:45.760 drone isn't going to care. It's just going to keep 1214 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:50.000 floating and you're still going to have the problem. So 1215 01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:56.479 there are ways to shoot these down, and it is 1216 01:29:56.600 --> 01:30:01.479 more kinetic. As Bob was described earlier with the hell 1217 01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:07.640 fire missile that penetrated an object near Yemen, he suspects 1218 01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:11.640 it's a balloon. I also suspect it's a balloon, Alex, 1219 01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:14.640 if you could bring the image of it back up 1220 01:30:14.720 --> 01:30:20.439 where it shows the three images side by side. The 1221 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:23.840 first image on the left shows the hell fire approaching 1222 01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:29.119 the object, the middle image shows after the penetration of 1223 01:30:29.239 --> 01:30:34.039 the object, and the third image shows three what are 1224 01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:38.119 known as tag alongs that have emerged from the object 1225 01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:42.680 after it's been penetrated by the hell fire. Now what 1226 01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:48.600 you've heard, Bob's says, Moufon's not really sure what the 1227 01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:52.479 objects are. Well, I'd like to offer the theory as 1228 01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:58.520 to what these three tag alongs are. Balloons can have 1229 01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:03.680 what is known as gas bags or gas cells inside 1230 01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:10.119 of the larger balloon itself, and here's an example image. 1231 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:13.560 I'm not saying that this is the exact balloon that 1232 01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:17.600 was at Yemen. I'm using this as an example of 1233 01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:23.640 the technology that may have been inside that object. So 1234 01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:29.079 in some airships you will separate your gas bags into 1235 01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:34.079 individual gas cells. And I believe that the three objects 1236 01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:37.760 that come out of the Yemen object are three of 1237 01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:42.840 these gas cells being pulled out by the health Fire missile. 1238 01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:48.079 So I haven't really seen anyone else offer what they 1239 01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:54.399 are or for those three taglongs, and I'd like to 1240 01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:57.279 put this theory forward. I think that

they are gas 1241 01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:02.640 bags from inside of a balloon, and as it is 1242 01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:06.479 in Yemen at the time, I would like to also 1243 01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:09.800 offer that I think it is a CCP balloon that 1244 01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:15.439 we are seeing. They had a surface reconnaissance ship in 1245 01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:21.000 the area. They're not going to send that ship unescorted. 1246 01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:24.800 I believe what we are seeing is one of these 1247 01:32:25.119 --> 01:32:29.520 balloons that gets launched from a submarine to provide reconnaissance 1248 01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:32.439 for the submarine. And I believe that we're seeing the 1249 01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:33.800 Chinese version of it. 1250 01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:41.239 And we know that the Chinese were giving reports to 1251 01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:46.199 the Russians for Ukraine, so it would not surprise me 1252 01:32:46.239 --> 01:32:51.000 if the Chinese were given the Huthis surveillance information too. 1253 01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:57.760 That's actually confirmed there is a Chinese CCP satellite firm 1254 01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:03.560 that is providing satellite targeting. UH. When its satellites go 1255 01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:09.880 over our assets in the Red Sea, the houthis are 1256 01:33:09.920 --> 01:33:14.359 able to fire accurately at our ships, which means that 1257 01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:17.640 the satellite that went over is the one that's relaying 1258 01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:21.159 the data and it's owned by a CCP entity. So 1259 01:33:21.920 --> 01:33:26.399 the CCP is most definitely providing targeting information to both 1260 01:33:26.439 --> 01:33:28.000 the Russians and the Hooties. 1261 01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:33.039 So you could say that we're effectively in a shadow 1262 01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:34.079 hot war. 1263 01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:37.920 Yeah, and we have been for years now. 1264 01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:43.680 Now, Bob, were you able to see from the full 1265 01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:46.119 video does it show what happens to these three or 1266 01:33:46.119 --> 01:33:48.199 does the video I'm assuming cut off before. 1267 01:33:50.079 --> 01:33:53.319 Not only that the sources dubious, They never released the 1268 01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:58.399 metadata which would tell you exactly when and where, you know, 1269 01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:01.399 what date, what time, and we don't get that. And 1270 01:34:01.479 --> 01:34:08.199 the congressman that showed it, Eric Burlison from Missouri, says 1271 01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:10.920 that he got it from a source. That's what he 1272 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:14.319 says in the congressional hearings. Doesn't say how we got it. 1273 01:34:14.359 --> 01:34:19.720 But what's more interesting is that Burlison recently hired former 1274 01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:24.159 intelligence whistle blow with David Grush for his staff. So 1275 01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:28.600 the way

I feel about these congressional hearings is that 1276 01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:31.520 it's a lot of fluff and no substance. It's just 1277 01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:36.359 to keep the public engaged thinking about UFOs while a 1278 01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:40.600 lot of other secret projects go on. It's like you 1279 01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:43.119 got to watch what the magician's doing with their right hand, 1280 01:34:43.439 --> 01:34:45.760 you know, instead of what he's doing with his left hand. 1281 01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:48.760 So I don't put much credence in any of these 1282 01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:53.159 videos that the government releases as possible UFO videos. I 1283 01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:55.479 think that Josh is right that this more than like 1284 01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:58.479 he is a CCP balloon, and that they showed this 1285 01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:02.800 stuff to get us all excited that at Lis, that 1286 01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:06.800 three to one Atlas three guy Atlas is a possible 1287 01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:10.399 mother attack ship coming to I think it's just to 1288 01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:13.760 keep us all excited and looking at the wrong hand, 1289 01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:15.319 is my opinion. 1290 01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:19.119 It's a distraction, basically. 1291 01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:21.119 But why would they do that, Bob. 1292 01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:25.520 They've been doing it the nineteen fifties. Project Mogul was 1293 01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:28.800 a CIA project to deceive the public, and I don't 1294 01:35:28.840 --> 01:35:30.520 think Project Mogil ever ended. 1295 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:36.640 So it's just a continuation of what the government's been 1296 01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:37.760 doing along. 1297 01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:41.920 And Basically, we go back and every ten years we 1298 01:35:41.960 --> 01:35:45.960 reset and we start from scratch, all right, And nobody 1299 01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:50.439 looks back at the last eighty years of evidence, all right, 1300 01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:56.479 compiled in Muffan Symposium books from speakers like Stanton Friedman 1301 01:35:56.560 --> 01:35:59.920 and Leonards Stringfield in their day. We just keep starting 1302 01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:06.520 from scratch every ten years, and it's a tragedy. I think, 1303 01:36:07.239 --> 01:36:11.439 why do you think that happens? Well, I think one 1304 01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:14.119 of the reasons it happens is over the past say, 1305 01:36:14.199 --> 01:36:17.079 sixty years, is that we didn't have the internet, okay, 1306 01:36:17.199 --> 01:36:21.159 and we only had you know, ten stations of broadcast 1307 01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:27.800 TV until cable. So as as AI comes along, the 1308 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:30.600 Internet comes along, I think it's going to start to 1309 01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:35.159 become harder and harder and harder for the government to 1310 01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:38.840 hide things without people figuring it out.

So I'm sort 1311 01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:42.239 of I'm not hopeful for disclosure, but I'm hopeful that 1312 01:36:42.680 --> 01:36:48.520 people will be able to have enough digitized information now 1313 01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:51.560 and in the mirror that it's going to become more 1314 01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:54.319 and more difficult for the government to keep, you know, 1315 01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:58.239 looping us every ten years. We're not innocent like we 1316 01:36:58.279 --> 01:37:02.039 were in the nineteen fifties. People have become very, very savvy, 1317 01:37:02.680 --> 01:37:05.319 and you know, you put something up on the Internet 1318 01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:10.279 that's a fake. Within you know, ten hours, two hundred 1319 01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:13.720 people on Reddit have exposed it as a fraud. So 1320 01:37:14.079 --> 01:37:16.119 I think the momentum is on our side, But I 1321 01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:18.199 don't think the government's going to help us, is what 1322 01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:18.680 I think. 1323 01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:27.199 You're probably right, Josh. Where would you like to see 1324 01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:29.960 aerogels go in the future. You know, what kind of 1325 01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:33.079 practical applications do you think that it can help with? 1326 01:37:34.439 --> 01:37:38.640 Well, there's applications outside of aerospace. There's quite a lot 1327 01:37:38.680 --> 01:37:44.439 of biomedical applications for aerogel's, including for implants and for 1328 01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:52.079 therapeutics inside the body on aerogel substrates. There's some theoretical 1329 01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:56.520 work around. Aerogel is a fuel, so using aerogel in 1330 01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:02.800 a combustible way to provide efficient fuel source. The one 1331 01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:05.760 thing that I most want to see is these aerogel 1332 01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:13.439 vacuum balloons be developed into more than a prototype. I 1333 01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:17.640 want to see this exist as a program because if 1334 01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:20.680 it doesn't, we run out of helium eventually, and then 1335 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:25.760 we lose that reconnaissance aspect. And if we lose our 1336 01:38:25.960 --> 01:38:31.720 reconnaissance balloons before our enemies run out of that then 1337 01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:35.840 that gives our enemies an advantage over us. So it 1338 01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:40.920 is best that we while we still have that advantage 1339 01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:44.359 of time and advantage of having an existing system, it's 1340 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:47.319 best that we think about the next system and what 1341 01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:49.439 it's going to be replaced with in the future. 1342 01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:54.039 Who is working on the prototype right now for those 1343 01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:54.680 kind of things. 1344 01:38:56.479 --> 01:39:01.439 Los Alamos National Labs did the prototo typing. For the 1345 01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:08.880 past six years. They were under the Triad National Services, 1346 01:39:08.920 --> 01:39:14.279 who operates Los Alamos National Labs for the government. Triad 1347 01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:19.479 is the company that absorbed what was formerly Battel, So 1348 01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:27.479 Battel comes up often during the UFO topic research. They've 1349 01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:32.680 become Triad. Triad is operating the lab and did the prototyping. 1350 01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:37.000 The government's General Services and Men has now offered this 1351 01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:42.680 out as a contract to defense contractors and the announcement 1352 01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:46.279 of who has won that bid has not occurred yet, 1353 01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:49.199 but perhaps we'll hear something by December. 1354 01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:58.720 I take it that there's a research community, researchers that 1355 01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:02.520 are studying this, you know, lighter than air and are 1356 01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:03.319 there any. 1357 01:40:05.640 --> 01:40:05.880 Not? 1358 01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:10.800 What I'm trying to say, is there some more progress 1359 01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:14.880 being done in terms of the research. What do you 1360 01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:19.000 think could be and what and all the other things included. 1361 01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:24.359 Yeah, so there's different branches of research going on. The 1362 01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:27.600 aerogels have their own lighter than air research branch, and 1363 01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:32.239 there's a topic of interest for a bunch of different researchers. 1364 01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:39.520 The traditional helium aerostats and balloons also have ongoing contracts 1365 01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:46.159 and ongoing research and ongoing production. This year, I think 1366 01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:51.680 they're British company Kinetic with Q signed a four billion 1367 01:40:52.199 --> 01:40:56.880 dollar contract with the Department of War to provide an 1368 01:40:56.920 --> 01:41:06.840 expansion to the aerostat reconnaissance fleets of the DOW. So 1369 01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:12.239 there are definitely communities doing that research and well paying 1370 01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:15.119 contracts going out for being successful. 1371 01:41:18.119 --> 01:41:22.920 So where does it go where it might be extraterrestrial? 1372 01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:25.359 When when do you determine that it's not. 1373 01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:27.319 From Earth. 1374 01:41:29.359 --> 01:41:31.399 And it was exposed from space? 1375 01:41:32.079 --> 01:41:37.640 Yeah, So for the Moufon Pra sample that we discussed earlier, 1376 01:41:38.279 --> 01:41:42.560 you can definitely say that it's extraterrestrial because it's in 1377 01:41:42.640 --> 01:41:46.039 the testing of the sample shown that it had prior 1378 01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:50.720 exposure to cosmic rays. So before

it ended up in 1379 01:41:51.479 --> 01:41:54.479 desk in an apartment in Russia, it had been in 1380 01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:59.119 space getting hit by charged particles, and that leaves a 1381 01:41:59.159 --> 01:42:01.520 fingerprint on material itself. 1382 01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:07.359 But it could it have been ours in space and 1383 01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:12.279 not necessarily just necessarily et all right, because I mean 1384 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:16.520 when you look at r Katie Grishenkov's story, it really 1385 01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:20.720 is sort of outlandish. And I've always wondered if somehow 1386 01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:24.760 the guy was set up to get the material out 1387 01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:27.079 of Russia's. 1388 01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:33.319 Somehow. Yeah, I agree, it could have been one of 1389 01:42:33.359 --> 01:42:36.760 these samples. Like as I was saying earlier, right now, 1390 01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:40.680 we have aer agel in space that is human manufactured 1391 01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:44.319 because it's on the outside of the International Space Station 1392 01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:49.479 running a sample. The issue with the PRRA Mufon sample 1393 01:42:49.640 --> 01:42:56.680 is no one from NASA knows what that sample is like. 1394 01:42:57.239 --> 01:43:01.600 It wasn't made by our domestic programs. It never went 1395 01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:07.199 into space on a Western rocket. So if it did 1396 01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:10.960 go to space, that's leaving pretty much the Chinese and 1397 01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:15.359 the Russians to have brought it there and as well. 1398 01:43:15.399 --> 01:43:21.800 I can find no existing Russian or Chinese manufacture of 1399 01:43:22.119 --> 01:43:26.880 a similar aerogel. The closest that you can get is 1400 01:43:27.159 --> 01:43:33.000 a nineteen ninety one Chinese paper describing the manufacture of 1401 01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:39.439 aerogels with bucket balls in them. It's not the same 1402 01:43:39.479 --> 01:43:43.399 material though, and it certainly didn't ever go to space 1403 01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:46.960 as far as we can tell. So because of the 1404 01:43:47.039 --> 01:43:52.840 combination of being exposed to particles in space and not 1405 01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:58.640 having an existing human manufacturer or reason for manufacturing a 1406 01:43:58.680 --> 01:44:03.680 product like that, let alone bringing it to space, that 1407 01:44:03.800 --> 01:44:06.960 leads me to believe that it started up there and 1408 01:44:07.039 --> 01:44:10.000 came down instead of starting down here, going up and 1409 01:44:10.039 --> 01:44:10.680 coming back. 1410 01:44:11.640 --> 01:44:17.800 So I to summarize, there's four possibilities, Okay. One, the 1411 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:22.479 story that Arcadie is telling us that Timihuan alien made 1412 01:44:22.479 --> 01:44:25.399 the stuff materialize for him, that it came from space, 1413 01:44:26.079 --> 01:44:29.079 is possible that it's extraterrestrial. The second part of that 1414 01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:33.399 is that if it was reverse engineered by Kissler in 1415 01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:37.760 nineteen twenty nine nineteen thirty one from something that was 1416 01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:41.960 retrieved from Aurora, Texas or the Midwest in the nineteen twenties, 1417 01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:45.840 then that would also suggest that it had an et origin, 1418 01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:51.840 or as Lucky Martin suggests, that the material seems to 1419 01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:57.880 be manufactured in the future, okay. Or lastly, it's from 1420 01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:02.239 a secret lab in Moscow or Russia somewhere that we 1421 01:45:02.359 --> 01:45:05.680 knew nothing about, and that's why it's not in any 1422 01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:11.520 of the industrial databases. So it's either et time travel, 1423 01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:17.119 reverse engineered secret Russian material that got smuggled out to 1424 01:45:17.199 --> 01:45:19.720 move on and eventually to the United States government than 1425 01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:20.720 to Lockey. 1426 01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:24.680 Or a natural source. It could have been created in 1427 01:45:24.720 --> 01:45:31.119 a stellar process and just made its way to Earth eventually. Bob, 1428 01:45:31.359 --> 01:45:36.159 the spec that you have, how much more analysis need 1429 01:45:36.239 --> 01:45:37.239 to be done on it? 1430 01:45:38.359 --> 01:45:42.000 We're afraid to let it go. But there's one university 1431 01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:45.319 that we reached out to that has a student program 1432 01:45:46.279 --> 01:45:51.119 where they work with electron microscopy and such that they're 1433 01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:54.960 interested in analyzing it, but they don't want us to 1434 01:45:55.680 --> 01:45:58.720 identify who they are because they feel it may affect 1435 01:45:58.720 --> 01:46:03.560 their credibility working with the UFO community. 1436 01:46:06.239 --> 01:46:08.000 Do you see a lot of stigma style and that 1437 01:46:08.079 --> 01:46:09.840 must be an industry. 1438 01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:13.760 Bob, Yeah, I mean, but the UFO has becoming very 1439 01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:16.439 very mainstream now. I mean, they're in the news almost 1440 01:46:16.520 --> 01:46:20.640 every day. Congress is you know, validating it to the 1441 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:24.800 point where we don't look like timfoil hat people anymore. So. 1442 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:29.560 I think that that the momentum, as far as positive 1443 01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:33.840 publicity for the UFO community goes, is on the rise. 1444 01:46:34.840 --> 01:46:37.960 But I still think that the government's playing us, you know, 1445 01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:43.159 at the same time, But they don't look at they 1446 01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:46.039 don't look at us like like timfoil hat nut jobs 1447 01:46:46.079 --> 01:46:49.880 anymore like the you know, nineteen

sixties newspaper articles. Every 1448 01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:52.560 single one of those articles in the sixties and seventies 1449 01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:57.000 it was, you know, Ronald Reagan meets et. It was 1450 01:46:57.119 --> 01:47:00.079 just you know, buffoonery. They made us look like buffoons. 1451 01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:03.479 But there's also the problem of so many people who 1452 01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:09.840 are a pseudoscience oriented. Okay, they're not sending material to 1453 01:47:10.199 --> 01:47:14.000 labs and getting twenty thousand dollars worth of work. They're saying, 1454 01:47:14.199 --> 01:47:18.479 you know, three I at lists is going faster than 1455 01:47:18.520 --> 01:47:21.199 the speed of light now and has a headlight on it. 1456 01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:26.119 Those types of things don't help, you know, UFO research advance, 1457 01:47:26.520 --> 01:47:28.279 all right. So I don't want to sound like a 1458 01:47:28.319 --> 01:47:32.000 debunker because I've had my own experiences, so I know 1459 01:47:32.119 --> 01:47:35.119 that the phenomenon is real, but you know, a lot 1460 01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:39.159 of it's obscured by people who make us look ridiculous. 1461 01:47:39.319 --> 01:47:42.520 But I think I think it's becoming more mainstream now, 1462 01:47:42.520 --> 01:47:43.840 and I think that's a good thing. 1463 01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:48.680 And we have a great team here and move on, Bob, 1464 01:47:48.720 --> 01:47:51.399 how would some more of our listeners go about joining 1465 01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:53.800 us as an investigator getting more involved in and move on. 1466 01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:57.239 All right. So you know, I joined in twenty thirteen 1467 01:47:57.319 --> 01:47:58.920 and it was the best thing I ever did to 1468 01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:02.000 become a moof on member. Cousts as little as six 1469 01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:05.760 dollars per month, and you get the digital version of 1470 01:48:05.760 --> 01:48:12.199 our monthly magazine, to two newsletters monthly, access to our 1471 01:48:12.680 --> 01:48:18.119 UFO oriented number only social network. And also most importantly 1472 01:48:18.159 --> 01:48:21.000 for me, is that you, as a mufon member, get 1473 01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:25.239 access to our one hundred and forty five thousand case database, 1474 01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:30.720 which has videos, photographs, narratives about what happened to some 1475 01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:33.720 of these people, and some of these stories are incredible 1476 01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:37.520 to the point they'll make your air stand up. We 1477 01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:41.319 have seven we have seven hundred field investigators. So for 1478 01:48:41.399 --> 01:48:47.000 those people here that are interested in actually investigating UFOs, 1479 01:48:47.039 --> 01:48:49.239 it's a little bit of a process. You have to 1480 01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:53.119 purchase a book, take a test to get certified. It

1481 01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:56.479 teaches you a lot about astronomy, there's some trigonometry, how 1482 01:48:56.520 --> 01:49:00.880 to use interview techniques. But being a Muffon Field Investigators 1483 01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:02.640 one of the best things I ever did. You have 1484 01:49:02.720 --> 01:49:05.720 to be a member first and on the screen right now. 1485 01:49:06.399 --> 01:49:11.000 If you see something or you feel you've been abducted. 1486 01:49:11.479 --> 01:49:14.439 You can click on report a UFO or report an abduction. 1487 01:49:15.039 --> 01:49:19.159 We make our database available to the public, all right, 1488 01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:22.560 some of it free, some of it through memberships. But remember, 1489 01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:27.279 if moufon ever goes away, private corporations taking UFO reports 1490 01:49:27.359 --> 01:49:32.279 and governmental agencies like Arrow taking UFO reports are under 1491 01:49:32.439 --> 01:49:37.640 no compunction to ever tell you the results of their investigations. 1492 01:49:38.199 --> 01:49:42.399 So keep uthology free and open and grass roots and 1493 01:49:42.520 --> 01:49:45.680 report to mofon. We've been doing the Air Force's business 1494 01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:49.000 since nineteen sixty nine. 1495 01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:53.760 Well, thank you, Bob. That's all very helpful, and of 1496 01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:56.279 course we always love to join our team. Even if 1497 01:49:56.279 --> 01:49:59.960 you're not interested in joining moufon per se, there are 1498 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:01.600 there are still a lot of chapters out there that 1499 01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:04.600 do have meetings that are open to the public. Some 1500 01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:07.039 of them are on zoom, some of them are in person. 1501 01:50:07.560 --> 01:50:09.760 Just a great place to you meet like minded people 1502 01:50:09.880 --> 01:50:11.520 and you talk about these kind of things that you 1503 01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:12.880 can't talk about with everybody else. 1504 01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:18.800 Yes, this group's all over the United States. This group's 1505 01:50:18.800 --> 01:50:21.439 in Canada. If you're in Canada, they have a very 1506 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:25.439 large group and usually on a monthly or bi monthly basis. 1507 01:50:26.239 --> 01:50:29.279 Ever since COVID, especially they have zoom meetings instead of 1508 01:50:29.319 --> 01:50:31.439 a lot of in person meetings, but you can still 1509 01:50:31.439 --> 01:50:35.199 find groups that meet monthly in libraries and such, and 1510 01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:38.439 you don't have to be a move On member to 1511 01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:39.479 enjoy any of that. 1512 01:50:42.800 --> 01:50:47.600 Well, that's fantastic information that both of you had provided 1513 01:50:47.680 --> 01:50:49.720 to us, and a lot of things that I've learned 1514 01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:55.479 myself and be interesting to see where this will go. 1515 01:50:55.880 --> 01:51:00.159 And yeah, we'd love to have you back, both of you, 1516 01:51:00.279 --> 01:51:03.880 and thank you hitting up further updates and thank you 1517 01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:08.039 again Bob for helping us here with with move On 1518 01:51:08.239 --> 01:51:12.039 and josh Joshua, thank you for all your hard research. 1519 01:51:12.880 --> 01:51:14.159 Thank you's been really good. 1520 01:51:14.439 --> 01:51:19.600 Yeah about in this one, Yes, thank you guys. I 1521 01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:22.600 appreciate it. I'm very happy I met Joshua, and you know, 1522 01:51:22.640 --> 01:51:25.520 I'm very glad that Alex and rub and you guys 1523 01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:27.439 are my friends for a long time now. 1524 01:51:27.640 --> 01:51:31.439 So likewise, Bob next to meet you to Alex and Rubin. 1525 01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:33.600 This has been a great talk today. I've really enjoyed it. 1526 01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:37.640 Well, thank you both for your time and we will 1527 01:51:37.680 --> 01:51:41.279 see you guys in two weeks. Catch our sister show 1528 01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:44.760 next week and until then, you'll keep your eyes in 1529 01:51:44.760 --> 01:52:01.439 the sky.