บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Talking the Room... with Greg Behrendt

It's like they have, I sit at home 78 00:04:56.170 --> 00:04:59.310 and I watch this on my little laptop device. 79 00:04:59.069 --> 00:05:01.139 And I I play video games. 80 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.220 I don't think kids have that outside life like they 81 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:04.639 used to. 82 00:05:04.699 --> 00:05:07.839 Or there's so many activities for them to be scheduled into. 83 00:05:08.100 --> 00:05:10.759 That's huge. They teach skateboard now. 84 00:05:10.930 --> 00:05:13.139 Especially with kids with a little bit of money in 85 00:05:13.170 --> 00:05:16.870 the family. Then it's, what's our next appointment? Right, exactly. 86 00:05:18.810 --> 00:05:23.089 We actually invented skateboarding. My generation went to empty pools. 87 00:05:25.620 --> 00:05:29.540 you know, Tony Alva lived down in Los Angeles. Like 88 00:05:29.579 --> 00:05:33.680 it was being kind of created dirt bikes were, you know, 89 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.959 I had the, you know, with the first BMX bikes, 90 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.560 we were making our own by putting the big handlebars 91 00:05:38.670 --> 00:05:39.430 on the little bikes. 92 00:05:39.490 --> 00:05:41.170 And, you know, all of. 93 00:05:41.170 --> 00:05:45.709 That stuff was out of boredom, uh, out of, uh, 94 00:05:45.790 --> 00:05:49.810 dissatisfaction with toys or whatever was being offered to us. 95 00:05:49.850 --> 00:05:53.649 But it was always outliers. Like it was always, um, uh, 96 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:59.060 rebel is such a huge word, but it was always 97 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:02.459 those kids that pushed those sports and things to become 98 00:06:03.019 --> 00:06:05.459 something that now they're taught. 99 00:06:05.779 --> 00:06:09.060 Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I mean, there's games. 100 00:06:09.269 --> 00:06:11.930 Now it's become a sort of recognized sport. 101 00:06:12.430 --> 00:06:12.670 Absolutely. 102 00:06:12.709 --> 00:06:14.889 But at the time, it was kids being innovative out 103 00:06:14.910 --> 00:06:15.569 of boredom. 104 00:06:15.790 --> 00:06:16.430 Out of boredom. 105 00:06:16.870 --> 00:06:20.680 A thing like a skateboard existed before that, but nobody 106 00:06:20.689 --> 00:06:21.529 had done that with it. 107 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:24.990 But that's the thing I worry about is the lack 108 00:06:25.029 --> 00:06:28.910 of boredom which leads to creativity yeah because you're forced 109 00:06:29.069 --> 00:06:31.319 to and i talk about this in my stand-up you're 110 00:06:31.420 --> 00:06:35.740 forced to imagine things yeah you know we didn't even 111 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:39.620 know what vaginas looked like when i was a kid so. 112 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:42.370 You had to welcome to the internet you had to 113 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.410 imagine them that's all that's on the internet. 114 00:06:45.189 --> 00:06:47.269 I know and that's the thing like it it was 115 00:06:47.430 --> 00:06:50.250 like i talk about this in on in my show 116 00:06:50.310 --> 00:06:53.040 and People look blankly at me. I'm like, you don't understand. 117 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:55.620 When you have a yearning for something, you don't know 118 00:06:55.660 --> 00:06:58.500 what it is. You don't understand what it is actually 119 00:06:58.540 --> 00:07:00.620 that your body wants to do. You know what I mean? 120 00:07:01.139 --> 00:07:04.949 And so I think, but then at the same time, 121 00:07:06.230 --> 00:07:10.889 both my girls who are 10 and 13 are incredibly bright, 122 00:07:11.009 --> 00:07:17.329 incredibly engaged, incredibly conversational, incredibly savvy, incredibly interesting. And I 123 00:07:18.810 --> 00:07:24.120 feel like They excel at school and want to be 124 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:28.920 and are better students because they have been reading and 125 00:07:29.790 --> 00:07:34.509 like there's an engagement that happens in technology that is 126 00:07:34.550 --> 00:07:37.430 almost like study. And so in some ways, I feel 127 00:07:37.470 --> 00:07:41.600 like they're better students because of it. I don't know. 128 00:07:42.420 --> 00:07:45.699 That doesn't mean that there aren't. That's just my personal experience. 129 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.439 But I do think they're never bored, dude. 130 00:07:49.529 --> 00:07:50.769 I go into this a lot. 131 00:07:50.790 --> 00:07:52.970 I feel like, I think because we're on that, we're 132 00:07:53.009 --> 00:07:54.990 sort of straddling this new world. 133 00:07:55.050 --> 00:07:58.290 And it's like, we remember the old version. 134 00:07:57.949 --> 00:08:00.569 Where like you kind of did everything yourself and we're 135 00:08:00.649 --> 00:08:04.389 watching this next generation come along. That's like, we can't 136 00:08:04.569 --> 00:08:08.269 fathom the way that this is changing. They're growing up 137 00:08:08.329 --> 00:08:11.149 and they're processing things. And like, I do watch my 138 00:08:11.170 --> 00:08:14.120 niece and nephews and like, I'm like watching them. use 139 00:08:14.180 --> 00:08:17.819 this little laptop device and interact with it in ways 140 00:08:17.860 --> 00:08:20.379 that are processing probably way faster than my dumb little 141 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:22.860 brain would have done at that age. So I think 142 00:08:22.899 --> 00:08:24.540 it is something that, like, there's something to be. 143 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:27.269 Said about the engaging with that that. 144 00:08:27.389 --> 00:08:31.069 Does kind of make your brain process maybe not better, 145 00:08:31.129 --> 00:08:31.949 but differently. 146 00:08:32.409 --> 00:08:36.210 Well, look, let's take being a musician. So when I 147 00:08:36.250 --> 00:08:38.649 was a kid, and I sound like the oldest guy 148 00:08:38.669 --> 00:08:40.120 that's ever been on your podcast. 149 00:08:40.139 --> 00:08:41.370 That's not true. I. 150 00:08:42.620 --> 00:08:45.159 When I was a kid, the idea of making a 151 00:08:45.220 --> 00:08:47.299 record was impossible. It

was only going to be if 152 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:49.600 you were gifted a contract from a recording. 153 00:08:50.539 --> 00:08:53.799 Which is a blessing. It didn't just happen. 154 00:08:53.820 --> 00:08:58.519 You fought to the nail. When you knew guys that 155 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.799 made singles or guys that did their own records... You 156 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:04.940 were like, wow. Those were like the guys that write 157 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.279 code now and create apps. You're like, how the fuck 158 00:09:08.299 --> 00:09:10.399 did you do that? That's impossible. But it was a 159 00:09:10.500 --> 00:09:16.600 goal then to just get signed or just be able 160 00:09:16.659 --> 00:09:21.460 to tour because whatever media there was out there embraced 161 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:25.059 your record or the underground scene embraced your record that 162 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:28.080 you made. Now, you and I could just make a 163 00:09:28.139 --> 00:09:28.990 record right now. 164 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:29.320 Right now. 165 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:31.299 And we could put it up, and we could get 166 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.779 it on iTunes, and we could pimp it out. 167 00:09:34.460 --> 00:09:36.100 Available to the world within minutes. 168 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:40.419 Right, and there's no, I feel like because there are 169 00:09:40.470 --> 00:09:44.370 no gatekeepers anymore, the only thing you're really striving for 170 00:09:44.409 --> 00:09:47.830 then is notoriety. And I don't know that that's healthy. 171 00:09:47.950 --> 00:09:51.029 Not talent. Not achievement, notoriety. 172 00:09:51.110 --> 00:09:54.309 I mean, there are, like, I think, I think there 173 00:09:54.389 --> 00:09:57.000 are places, like the R & B and rap world, 174 00:09:57.500 --> 00:09:59.889 there's still radio available to you and there still is... 175 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:03.820 and so that's why some of the music my kids 176 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.860 listen to a lot of it so you know when 177 00:10:05.899 --> 00:10:08.100 I'm being turned on to Wiz Khalifa and The Weeknd 178 00:10:08.139 --> 00:10:09.559 and all that stuff and I'm like wow this stuff 179 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:13.399 is awesome and that's because there's some value in putting 180 00:10:13.419 --> 00:10:15.399 something out because there's a world that they can succeed 181 00:10:15.470 --> 00:10:17.909 in if you make rock and roll records I was 182 00:10:17.970 --> 00:10:19.480 just do you know who Bob Forrest is? 183 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:20.700 No. 184 00:10:20.740 --> 00:10:22.679 Bob Forrest is a singer of Thelonious Monster, and he 185 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.370 was also Drew Pinsky's partner on Celebrity Rehab. And he's 186 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.710 an old punk, and he's a great guy. And he 187 00:10:28.789 --> 00:10:31.850 and I were talking because we just started a podcast 188 00:10:32.669 --> 00:10:41.740 called Just Keep Him Alive. It's a parenting podcast. That's awesome. 189 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:43.779 And we haven't dropped it yet. We just started recording 190 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.070 the other day. But we were talking about the fact that, like, 191 00:10:47.539 --> 00:10:50.210 he was saying a friend of his, this girl that's 192 00:10:50.269 --> 00:10:51.549 a friend of ours in a band called That Dog, 193 00:10:52.210 --> 00:10:54.509 he goes, she just wrote, one of his best friends 194 00:10:54.549 --> 00:10:56.470 is Anthony from the Chili Peppers, and he goes, I 195 00:10:56.470 --> 00:10:58.809 remember when he wrote Californication and just thinking, wow, that's 196 00:10:58.850 --> 00:11:01.779 just really a hit. This is really amazing. And he goes, 197 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:03.840 now I have a friend who wrote a song that's 198 00:11:03.899 --> 00:11:06.419 just as good, and all I can think is, well, 199 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:08.399 I hope your friends enjoy it, because they're the only 200 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:10.340 ones that are going to hear it. There's no place 201 00:11:10.379 --> 00:11:11.720 for you, and nobody, you know what I mean? Like, 202 00:11:11.740 --> 00:11:13.200 rock and roll is so dead. 203 00:11:13.220 --> 00:11:13.399 It's true. 204 00:11:13.909 --> 00:11:18.429 You know, and for me, that's a sad thing because 205 00:11:18.850 --> 00:11:23.220 that's my lifeblood. But at the same time, I don't 206 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:25.360 want to be the guy that doesn't understand change. 207 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:31.120 I mean, it is. Again, being even doing what I do, 208 00:11:31.179 --> 00:11:34.899 it's like it's amazing that we have this not only 209 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.779 technology but opportunity to be able to put this stuff 210 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.129 out there. But then you're dumping it into a sea 211 00:11:41.190 --> 00:11:47.460 of information. So it's like, how does anybody make any headroom? 212 00:11:47.500 --> 00:11:50.980 How do you get ahead in any situation when there's 213 00:11:51.019 --> 00:11:55.210 just so much overwhelming information and good, bad, and otherwise? 214 00:11:55.590 --> 00:12:00.129 It's nice that we all have that opportunity, but if 215 00:12:00.250 --> 00:12:02.590 nobody ever gets to hear it, how are you really 216 00:12:02.629 --> 00:12:04.360 accomplishing anything with this new. 217 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:06.139 Freedom that we have. 218 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:08.700 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's funny. I was 219 00:12:08.740 --> 00:12:10.200 looking at, you know, so I have a band called 220 00:12:10.220 --> 00:12:13.059 the Reigning Monarchs, and we play instrumental surf punk reggae ska. 221 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.720 That's what we call it. But it's basically Tarantino-ish surf 222 00:12:16.779 --> 00:12:19.639 music set to a ska beat with reggae ideas. Nice. 223 00:12:19.980 --> 00:12:23.360 And it's evolved. It's evolved from basically a straight surf 224 00:12:23.379 --> 00:12:26.639 band into

something far weirder. We're just making an EP 225 00:12:27.610 --> 00:12:32.250 with African rhythms, and then I think we're done. there's 226 00:12:32.309 --> 00:12:34.649 only so many things you can do instrumentally but I 227 00:12:34.669 --> 00:12:37.509 really like big guitars so anyway I was looking today 228 00:12:37.529 --> 00:12:43.750 at our stats and we're $ 60 away from crossing the $ 10, 000 229 00:12:41.870 --> 00:12:45.190 mark in total sales right so that could have never 230 00:12:45.250 --> 00:12:48.210 happened before right so now I get to have a 231 00:12:48.250 --> 00:12:50.309 band where the money can kind of trickle in and 232 00:12:50.850 --> 00:12:54.549 it's people like that very specific type of music you 233 00:12:54.570 --> 00:12:57.710 know that's a neat thing on the other hand we 234 00:12:57.750 --> 00:13:02.470 did a Christmas single two years ago um Of the Nutcracker, 235 00:13:02.929 --> 00:13:05.490 and it's as good as anything out there, and no 236 00:13:05.549 --> 00:13:06.090 one's ever heard it. 237 00:13:06.090 --> 00:13:06.350 Nobody. 238 00:13:06.389 --> 00:13:08.679 You know what I mean? There's certain parts of our 239 00:13:08.700 --> 00:13:10.899 music where I go, I understand why this is just 240 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.299 for us. But then there's other things I go, fuck, 241 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.980 if just the right person heard this and put it 242 00:13:16.019 --> 00:13:17.860 in a movie, I mean, it's a beautiful, it's a 243 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:21.039 fantastic version. We call it the Nut Skanker Suite, and 244 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:24.740 it's just fantastic. I mean, I'll say it because the 245 00:13:24.860 --> 00:13:27.330 other guitar player in my band is just phenomenal. And 246 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:31.090 so I'm like, but who's, how do I, even with my... 247 00:13:31.750 --> 00:13:35.980 tiny tiny bit of celebrity have a hard time you 248 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.019 know finding a way of pushing it out there you know. 249 00:13:38.580 --> 00:13:41.940 It's i mean it is a weird thing that we're 250 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:44.559 faced with now that like we we get to this 251 00:13:44.620 --> 00:13:47.100 point where we can create whatever we want we put 252 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.990 it out there everything gets lost so it's like i 253 00:13:50.850 --> 00:13:52.990 don't know it does give you that like what what 254 00:13:53.110 --> 00:13:54.970 are we working for and when it gets out there 255 00:13:54.990 --> 00:13:58.710 the right person it's all like complete luck at this 256 00:13:58.789 --> 00:14:00.909 point because there's so much out there it's like we 257 00:14:00.970 --> 00:14:05.940 have sometimes really impressive things that go nowhere. And then 258 00:14:05.980 --> 00:14:09.139 you will see things that have millions of followers and 259 00:14:09.179 --> 00:14:11.200 hits and whatever. And you're looking at it going, this 260 00:14:11.259 --> 00:14:15.110 is terrible. And it's just luck or again, the spectacle 261 00:14:15.269 --> 00:14:17.870 of whatever it is that kind of catches on with people. 262 00:14:17.970 --> 00:14:20.450 And so it's not even based on anything you can, 263 00:14:20.490 --> 00:14:23.649 there's no formula to it. You can't ever pin anything 264 00:14:23.700 --> 00:14:25.860 down at this point. It's all complete luck. 265 00:14:26.230 --> 00:14:28.309 Yeah, and I mean, I think, you know, there should 266 00:14:28.350 --> 00:14:30.590 be some gratitude in that, like, there's a lot of, 267 00:14:30.710 --> 00:14:33.409 I mean, you know, one of the big fights was when, 268 00:14:33.580 --> 00:14:38.059 you know, when I was a young punk, it was like, 269 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:42.139 you know, fuck your music, you gotta hear our music, 270 00:14:42.740 --> 00:14:45.080 you know, and everyone was fighting for, you know, everybody 271 00:14:45.139 --> 00:14:48.179 wanted sort of what we ended up getting, you know, and, 272 00:14:49.179 --> 00:14:51.480 you know, there was no diversity in radio, and there 273 00:14:51.500 --> 00:14:53.620 was no crossover and all that stuff, and then MTV 274 00:14:53.659 --> 00:14:55.750 changed it, and it all, you know, And so some 275 00:14:55.769 --> 00:14:57.779 really good things happened because of that. And, you know, 276 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:00.460 my daughters listen to everything. They have no, they're not 277 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:01.440 stuck in a genre. 278 00:15:01.700 --> 00:15:01.899 Yeah. 279 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:03.940 You know, they'll listen to, I mean, they think everything 280 00:15:03.980 --> 00:15:07.679 with guitars is The Clash. Is this The Clash, Dad? No. 281 00:15:08.299 --> 00:15:11.990 It's Fiddler. They're from now. They're a brand new band. 282 00:15:12.019 --> 00:15:14.429 They're now. They live in Orange County. They're only about 283 00:15:14.529 --> 00:15:20.029 five years older than you. Oh, my God. But they 284 00:15:20.090 --> 00:15:24.490 also have expansive taste and they're open to everybody. Yeah. 285 00:15:25.580 --> 00:15:28.100 And they're growing up in a different world. They're growing 286 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.159 up in a world where they're coming into a world 287 00:15:31.220 --> 00:15:35.320 where gay marriage is just happening and the president is 288 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:40.350 a black man. Their starting off point is so different 289 00:15:40.379 --> 00:15:40.899 than mine. 290 00:15:40.990 --> 00:15:43.950 Things we couldn't have imagined. Couldn't have imagined. Like 10 291 00:15:43.950 --> 00:15:45.789 years ago, I don't know if I would have believed 292 00:15:45.870 --> 00:15:47.289 we had a black president. 293 00:15:48.190 --> 00:15:51.750 When I was a kid, a black quarterback was inconceivable. 294 00:15:51.769 --> 00:15:51.870 Yeah. 295 00:15:52.309 --> 00:15:57.070 Like, truly. Like, just an anomaly. And, you know, it's 296 00:15:57.149 --> 00:15:59.889 just changed. Like, if

you think about it, at 52, 297 00:15:59.889 --> 00:16:03.620 it's changed really rapidly. You know, that sounds like a 298 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:05.039 lot of years, but it's not. 299 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:08.039 10, 15 years, everything has changed. 300 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:09.200 Everything. 301 00:16:09.340 --> 00:16:12.440 Like, not just technology, but the world around us. It's 302 00:16:12.460 --> 00:16:13.600 just massively different. 303 00:16:13.620 --> 00:16:16.639 I was preparing for our talk today, so I was looking. 304 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:21.240 I listened to your podcast, and I was watching movie trailers. 305 00:16:21.750 --> 00:16:27.120 Which I love. I could watch trailers for days. Sometimes 306 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.200 there's no new trailers and I'm like, oh, come on, man. 307 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.580 But I was looking at it and I was thinking, 308 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:39.370 you know, movies have changed now because, you know, they 309 00:16:39.389 --> 00:16:42.049 can be watched on different platforms. Yeah. Certainly there are 310 00:16:42.070 --> 00:16:44.460 movies that you go, that really is for my television. 311 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:47.320 It's just fine. I can enjoy that on my television. 312 00:16:47.379 --> 00:16:49.340 I play this game a lot, actually, yeah. 313 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.980 Right? And then there's some directors that scream to be 314 00:16:53.059 --> 00:16:57.179 seen in a theater. Not that they shoot on film, 315 00:16:57.220 --> 00:17:01.019 but the way they shoot. It's a bummer if you 316 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.070 don't see an Edgar Wright movie in the theater because 317 00:17:03.090 --> 00:17:05.690 he spent all the time making a movie. Same with 318 00:17:05.730 --> 00:17:07.690 Wes Anderson. You go, oh, God, Wes. Yes, all right. 319 00:17:07.730 --> 00:17:09.869 I'll go. Yes, it's like a dollhouse. I don't know. 320 00:17:10.329 --> 00:17:13.349 But it will look beautiful on the screen. But I 321 00:17:13.390 --> 00:17:19.019 was noticing, you know, there's event movies three times a month. 322 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:23.400 You know, everything is either an Oscar contender or some 323 00:17:23.500 --> 00:17:29.839 sort of, you know, either a rebooting of a brand, 324 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.819 a novel, or a Marvel movie. 325 00:17:33.859 --> 00:17:36.440 That's kind of all that gets made studio-wise now. It's 326 00:17:36.500 --> 00:17:38.380 got to already be a brand, basically. 327 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:40.910 Right. Right. but one of the things that is interesting 328 00:17:40.950 --> 00:17:46.279 that I do think has happened is that because they 329 00:17:46.339 --> 00:17:50.980 only make those movies, they've started to populate them with 330 00:17:51.140 --> 00:17:53.460 writers who can write and actors who can act. Yeah. 331 00:17:53.700 --> 00:17:58.539 So you don't have just a dumb time at a 332 00:17:58.700 --> 00:18:00.920 Marvel movie. Like you kind

of go, fuck it. I mean, 333 00:18:01.460 --> 00:18:03.069 any one of these people could hold down any other 334 00:18:03.109 --> 00:18:05.990 kind of movie. You know what I mean? Like, holy shit. Like, 335 00:18:06.190 --> 00:18:07.849 I mean, that's Jeff Bridges. You know what I mean? 336 00:18:07.890 --> 00:18:10.609 Like there's, That's Robert Downey and Jeff Bridges and Gwen Paltrow, 337 00:18:10.690 --> 00:18:12.509 and that could be a scene in a play than 338 00:18:12.589 --> 00:18:17.390 just in the living room. I do feel like at 339 00:18:17.470 --> 00:18:21.420 least somebody's trying to, well, this is what we got. 340 00:18:21.460 --> 00:18:23.329 Let's put some quality in it. 341 00:18:23.339 --> 00:18:25.619 That's part of it. I think we have kind of 342 00:18:25.660 --> 00:18:29.099 stepped everything up a couple of notches, and because we're 343 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:30.920 not making all this other stuff, maybe that's part of 344 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:33.700 it too. Maybe people who would have filtered through sort 345 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.869 of those middle movies that had a $ 40 million movie 346 00:18:36.910 --> 00:18:39.490 years ago Now those are gone. And so it's like 347 00:18:39.509 --> 00:18:42.869 all we have are million dollar independent movie or 200 348 00:18:42.869 --> 00:18:45.990 million dollar blockbuster. So it's like, well, everybody's kind of 349 00:18:46.029 --> 00:18:47.390 got to go one way or the other. So the 350 00:18:47.670 --> 00:18:51.529 better known stars and writers and everybody is even directors 351 00:18:51.549 --> 00:18:54.910 like you're watching people that are really talented make superhero 352 00:18:54.950 --> 00:18:57.769 movies now. And it's like, I don't think we had that. 353 00:18:57.809 --> 00:18:59.390 Like you look at the ones they were making in 354 00:18:59.410 --> 00:19:02.099 the 80s and even coming into the 90s, we were 355 00:19:02.170 --> 00:19:04.099 just kind of getting to that point of going. these 356 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:06.980 don't have to be terrible just because they're pulpy, you know, 357 00:19:07.019 --> 00:19:10.299 just because it's pop culture stuff, you can make it 358 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:13.529 actually a legitimate story with real characters. So I think 359 00:19:13.589 --> 00:19:17.390 it took those extra years and the industry changing for 360 00:19:17.410 --> 00:19:19.750 people to go, oh, well, okay, this is what we're 361 00:19:19.769 --> 00:19:20.309 making now. 362 00:19:20.569 --> 00:19:23.750 It doesn't just have to make money. Sometimes that's all 363 00:19:23.769 --> 00:19:24.390 they're going for. 364 00:19:24.470 --> 00:19:26.779 But when they really try, especially what the Marvel movies 365 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:28.779 have been doing, or even like what Star Wars is 366 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.009 trying to do now, it's like, What if we give 367 00:19:31.049 --> 00:19:33.700 it to somebody who not only has talent, but also 368 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.960 understands the property and wants to create something good and 369 00:19:38.019 --> 00:19:40.000 isn't just sort of ready to slap their name on 370 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:41.160 it for the sake of it making money. 371 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:42.599 Right. I mean, he did a hell of a job 372 00:19:42.619 --> 00:19:45.410 with the Star Trek. I mean, everybody was like, no, 373 00:19:45.430 --> 00:19:48.210 you know, and it was, and it's hard to recast 374 00:19:48.230 --> 00:19:49.970 all those people. And then you go, Jesus, you know, 375 00:19:50.250 --> 00:19:50.710 I thought. 376 00:19:50.549 --> 00:19:52.349 They never would have done like years ago. I was 377 00:19:52.390 --> 00:19:54.930 just like, you can't make another Kirk. Like you can't, 378 00:19:55.009 --> 00:19:57.339 you know, and people will still argue that it's not 379 00:19:57.390 --> 00:20:00.779 the same, which it's not, but he did a good job. 380 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:02.599 Like it's entertaining as hell. 381 00:20:02.619 --> 00:20:02.880 Yeah. 382 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.460 I mean, and I don't know, you know, the thing 383 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:07.980 that people don't realize is when you didn't grow up 384 00:20:08.019 --> 00:20:12.660 with something, you know, Shatner was a joke even then. 385 00:20:12.740 --> 00:20:15.299 People like the show, but they like the stories, and 386 00:20:15.339 --> 00:20:24.549 they like Nimoy. Star Wars, you forget. The last science 387 00:20:24.609 --> 00:20:28.490 fiction movie made before Star Wars that was popular was 388 00:20:28.529 --> 00:20:30.230 the one where they had the thing on their hands. 389 00:20:30.289 --> 00:20:30.829 Logan's Run. 390 00:20:31.109 --> 00:20:31.329 Right. 391 00:20:31.650 --> 00:20:32.549 I love Logan's Run. 392 00:20:32.569 --> 00:20:39.220 Right. But the technology jumped dramatically. Massively. People don't understand 393 00:20:39.259 --> 00:20:43.630 that before Star Wars, they didn't look like that at all. 394 00:20:43.730 --> 00:20:45.230 So yes, you go back and go, well, the plot's 395 00:20:45.269 --> 00:20:49.170 really simple and the dialogue's really simple. Fuck, George Lucas 396 00:20:49.190 --> 00:20:50.869 was doing a whole other thing and then populating it 397 00:20:50.890 --> 00:20:53.450 with people and he spent all of his money on 398 00:20:53.569 --> 00:20:56.730 stuff and spent little of his money on actors. They 399 00:20:56.750 --> 00:20:59.049 all did great. They were lucked out with Harrison Ford. 400 00:20:59.069 --> 00:21:00.009 They were all unknown, yeah. 401 00:21:00.450 --> 00:21:04.210 But he was making a movie that... I remember when 402 00:21:04.230 --> 00:21:06.049 I saw the... I remember seeing the trailer on TV 403 00:21:06.069 --> 00:21:09.009 and going, I don't know, maybe. You know, like it's 404 00:21:09.069 --> 00:21:11.730 a movie about space. And then, you know, it became, 405 00:21:12.190 --> 00:21:15.019 it was such a

phenomenon and so amazing and so great. 406 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:17.700 And just all of a sudden you were like, everybody 407 00:21:17.740 --> 00:21:23.740 wanted to be Han Solo. And it just, but the 408 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:27.660 technology was like, flying into the Death Star and all 409 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.839 that stuff. So that's what really got people to those 410 00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:34.579 movies was like, and the fact that like, you didn't 411 00:21:34.660 --> 00:21:37.190 ever see the future of, Or a long, long time 412 00:21:37.230 --> 00:21:40.529 ago where all the space things were banged up and 413 00:21:40.589 --> 00:21:44.640 dirty and shitty. It really is. He was so smart. 414 00:21:44.700 --> 00:21:47.920 It was so crafty. And then, of course, you know, 415 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.700 then I think he, once it came down to, well, 416 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.759 we've got all the stuff, he lost sight of like. Yeah. 417 00:21:55.609 --> 00:21:58.390 I mean, I tried really hard. But at that point, 418 00:21:58.509 --> 00:22:00.809 I sort of outgrew it by the second one. I 419 00:22:00.869 --> 00:22:03.009 was like, because I was at the right age to go, 420 00:22:03.109 --> 00:22:05.940 I kind of like girls now. And I'm not going 421 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:09.450 to– I'm done running around pretending I'm Han Solo. I'm 422 00:22:09.549 --> 00:22:10.950 still working on that. 423 00:22:10.990 --> 00:22:11.170 Yeah. 424 00:22:11.990 --> 00:22:16.710 So it– I think that first– I still love that 425 00:22:16.730 --> 00:22:20.809 first trilogy. And I think Star Wars in particular came 426 00:22:20.890 --> 00:22:23.630 along at the perfect time for all of that to 427 00:22:23.690 --> 00:22:26.730 work because it's like we'd just gotten out of 2001. 428 00:22:26.730 --> 00:22:31.390 So that's got the technology. slow and like you can't 429 00:22:31.609 --> 00:22:33.710 show that to kids and not have them go what 430 00:22:33.730 --> 00:22:35.690 is what are these monkeys why am i watching this 431 00:22:36.269 --> 00:22:38.349 the 14 minutes of nobody talking like yeah yeah yeah 432 00:22:38.430 --> 00:22:40.799 so you get like okay there's the technology a couple 433 00:22:40.859 --> 00:22:43.420 years later it's like okay but remember all the flashy 434 00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:45.680 you know cereals and buck rogers and stuff like you 435 00:22:45.700 --> 00:22:48.339 know like let's do that So it's kind of this 436 00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:51.200 mixture of, you know, old fun cereal stuff that always 437 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:52.420 kind of played well to kids. 438 00:22:52.740 --> 00:22:52.920 Right. 439 00:22:53.140 --> 00:22:55.019 And then, oh, and we can step it up a 440 00:22:55.059 --> 00:22:55.480 notch and. 441 00:22:55.420 --> 00:22:58.400 Be like, here's some legitimate, you know, technology that you 442 00:22:58.420 --> 00:23:01.140 have never seen and certainly haven't seen used like this. 443 00:23:02.009 -->

00:23:05.289 And it kind of blew kids' minds at that point. Oh, yeah. 444 00:23:05.349 --> 00:23:06.829 It was like going on a ride, man. I mean, 445 00:23:06.890 --> 00:23:09.750 it was really like, I was like, you know, because 446 00:23:09.769 --> 00:23:15.150 that came out in what, 79? I think the first one, 77. 77. Right. Yeah. Right. 447 00:23:17.849 --> 00:23:22.730 So I was 14, and I think I saw it 448 00:23:22.849 --> 00:23:25.750 seven times. That was the thing. That was one of 449 00:23:25.769 --> 00:23:27.950 the first movies where people were going seven, eight times. 450 00:23:28.309 --> 00:23:30.150 It's one of the few times ever as a child 451 00:23:30.190 --> 00:23:32.259 I went back to the theater. You just didn't do 452 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:33.440 that then. 453 00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:33.799 Right. 454 00:23:34.500 --> 00:23:36.259 Again, maybe just we didn't have any money, so they 455 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:37.920 didn't take me back again. But I was just like, 456 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:40.559 I need to see that again. And we've talked about 457 00:23:40.579 --> 00:23:44.049 that before, too. It's also like that was, again, difference 458 00:23:44.089 --> 00:23:47.059 in the generations. That was the only way you could 459 00:23:47.140 --> 00:23:50.369 see it. And I don't think kids now can even fathom. 460 00:23:50.420 --> 00:23:54.450 Like they have every piece of information at their fingertips constantly. 461 00:23:54.710 --> 00:23:56.910 Like whatever they want to watch, whatever they want to see, 462 00:23:56.930 --> 00:23:59.240 whatever they want to know, they can just go find it. 463 00:23:59.609 --> 00:24:01.779 Whereas like we were like, I really love Star Wars. 464 00:24:02.579 --> 00:24:02.779 Well. 465 00:24:04.009 --> 00:24:06.769 I've got these collector cards. You know, like you couldn't 466 00:24:06.849 --> 00:24:09.430 watch it. You couldn't get to see it again short 467 00:24:09.470 --> 00:24:10.609 of going to the theater. 468 00:24:10.789 --> 00:24:12.529 No, so there was like that patience of having to 469 00:24:12.569 --> 00:24:15.190 wait and the excitement. And again, I'm not saying that 470 00:24:15.230 --> 00:24:19.890 that's better because it's just different. But there was something 471 00:24:19.970 --> 00:24:23.130 about like that, that just kids, you know, just having 472 00:24:23.170 --> 00:24:26.319 an ability to wait and figure something out. 473 00:24:26.539 --> 00:24:29.740 Patience isn't something I don't know that the next generation 474 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:31.039 is going to have a ton of patience. 475 00:24:32.269 --> 00:24:33.970 I want to make a movie where the grid goes 476 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:36.900 down and everyone's saved by old people because we're the 477 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:38.460 only ones with rope and a map. 478 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:41.000 Here's what you do, kids. Hold on a second. 479 00:24:41.019 --> 00:24:42.599 Here's the deal. Write this down. You want

to go 480 00:24:42.619 --> 00:24:44.519 down third. Wait, what are you talking about? I'm going 481 00:24:44.539 --> 00:24:48.940 to give you directions. I don't understand. Directions. I'm going 482 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.259 to tell you how to get there, but we don't 483 00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:54.599 have phones. All right. What happens? Get a pen. I 484 00:24:54.740 --> 00:24:55.359 don't know what that is. 485 00:24:56.690 --> 00:24:58.990 They're starving to death. You've got all these canned goods. 486 00:24:59.470 --> 00:25:01.579 Just crank. No, crank it. I know the other one 487 00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:04.519 doesn't work. Just here, put this on. Open these cans. 488 00:25:05.740 --> 00:25:08.720 The whole technology. Well, just, yeah. 489 00:25:09.339 --> 00:25:11.240 I see you're trying to code, but the grid's down. 490 00:25:11.299 --> 00:25:12.660 You see what I'm saying? I get that. I know 491 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:13.380 you can do that. 492 00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:14.980 These ones and zeros in the dirt aren't going to 493 00:25:15.019 --> 00:25:15.539 do anything. 494 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:19.579 No, no, no. Binary code is over. But it's funny. 495 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.309 But also, I engage with... All of it. 496 00:25:25.410 --> 00:25:25.930 All the time. 497 00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:29.569 I do too. I love Netflix. I mean, we just 498 00:25:29.650 --> 00:25:32.970 recently got rid of television and we just do Hulu 499 00:25:33.019 --> 00:25:38.089 and Netflix. It's expensive and we just weren't using it. 500 00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:41.519 I miss the news every once in a while. It's 501 00:25:41.539 --> 00:25:43.559 hard sometimes to find the debates or whatever. I like 502 00:25:43.579 --> 00:25:46.500 to stay a little bit connected because when things like 503 00:25:46.940 --> 00:25:49.240 Paris go down, as a father, you sort of want 504 00:25:49.259 --> 00:25:51.160 to be able to have enough information. You can get 505 00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:54.640 it on the internet, but sometimes I do like putting 506 00:25:54.779 --> 00:25:56.960 on an MSNBC or CNN or whatever and letting the, 507 00:25:57.019 --> 00:25:58.559 you know what I mean? The BBC trying to find. 508 00:25:59.420 --> 00:26:02.160 I just like having it on a lot of times. 509 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.980 And again, I think that's from growing up in a 510 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.480 house where there was just television. And so I find 511 00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:09.240 like there was a time when I didn't have it 512 00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:11.880 and I was like, I missed that. The general noise 513 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.319 that I wasn't paying attention to. Cause that's why some 514 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:16.329 people like, Oh, I put a movie on during the day. 515 00:26:16.349 --> 00:26:17.829 I'm like, I can't do that. Or I can't get 516 00:26:17.849 --> 00:26:20.210 anything done. Like I want to stop and watch movies. 517 00:26:20.849 --> 00:26:23.509

But generic television, like a lot of times I'm just like, 518 00:26:23.549 --> 00:26:25.859 it's just background noise and that's all I need it 519 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.640 to be. Like, no offense, there's some really good television 520 00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:30.420 out there, but there's also a lot of crap. So 521 00:26:30.460 --> 00:26:33.640 it's like, I don't mind it on as general background noise, 522 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.619 but yeah, I can't just turn on a movie and 523 00:26:35.660 --> 00:26:36.160 walk off. 524 00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:39.289 And that's another thing that's evolved. Like I, you know, 525 00:26:39.329 --> 00:26:43.230 I do like, I love, you know, I whipped through Jessica. 526 00:26:42.829 --> 00:26:45.440 Jones and I'm most of the way through and. 527 00:26:45.380 --> 00:26:47.980 River and all those. I love all the BBC detective 528 00:26:48.029 --> 00:26:51.049 series is like, I just can't get enough of them. And, and, uh, 529 00:26:51.769 --> 00:26:54.490 especially the one broad church that the tenant is David 530 00:26:54.529 --> 00:26:58.210 Tennant is in. Uh, and I love, and Luther and Sherlock, 531 00:26:58.250 --> 00:27:00.470 you know, like that kind of stuff. And, um, but 532 00:27:00.490 --> 00:27:02.480 I also got turned on to Gotham by a friend, 533 00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:07.400 like maybe two months ago. And I watched all both, 534 00:27:07.420 --> 00:27:10.279 you know, I'm caught up and I, I was like 535 00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:12.119 so surprised because I was like, I'm not, you know, 536 00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:13.200 like everybody else. I'm like, I don't want to see 537 00:27:13.220 --> 00:27:16.049 the story of the guys around before Batman. This isn't 538 00:27:16.069 --> 00:27:19.690 that interesting. And then you go, this is good performances. Yeah. 539 00:27:19.910 --> 00:27:22.289 And it's like art directed in an incredibly cool way. 540 00:27:22.349 --> 00:27:25.369 And it's sort of L.A. Confidential meets seven in its 541 00:27:25.390 --> 00:27:28.789 sort of art design. And, you know, and that kid's amazing. 542 00:27:28.829 --> 00:27:33.900 The guy from the O.C. and Southland, McKenzie, Rip McKenzie. 543 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:34.339 Yeah. 544 00:27:34.809 --> 00:27:37.509 He's great. They're good. Donald Logue, they're great. The guy 545 00:27:37.529 --> 00:27:38.069 that plays the penguin. 546 00:27:38.089 --> 00:27:40.150 That's what I was just going to say. The penguin guy. 547 00:27:40.650 --> 00:27:43.190 That was one of those, that's a hard performance anyway. 548 00:27:43.230 --> 00:27:45.799 And he kind of found his own way to do it. 549 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:47.099 Yeah. 550 00:27:47.140 --> 00:27:49.079 I think he's got potential to do a whole lot 551 00:27:49.099 --> 00:27:51.240 of stuff outside of Gotham. So I'm waiting to see 552 00:27:51.259 --> 00:27:51.960 where he goes. Yeah, yeah. 553 00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:54.579 He's a cool actor. He's a really cool actor. I 554 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:58.559 think he's really good. I even think the Edward Nygma 555 00:27:58.579 --> 00:28:01.200 guy is good. He had to double that performance up 556 00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:01.720 a little bit, but. 557 00:28:01.930 --> 00:28:03.690 Potential on a lot of these people. 558 00:28:03.730 --> 00:28:07.180 Yeah, definitely. And again, they put a lot of thought 559 00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:09.759 into it. They put a lot of... There's a lot 560 00:28:09.779 --> 00:28:12.200 of craft in it. There's a lot of people working 561 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.099 very hard. I mean, the art direction is just... It's 562 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:19.079 like a Tim Burton film. There's just so much going on. 563 00:28:19.140 --> 00:28:21.349 And you look around the rooms and the way it's... 564 00:28:21.380 --> 00:28:25.589 It takes time. And it's real thoughtful. Yeah, so I 565 00:28:25.609 --> 00:28:27.009 like that. I like that quite a bit. 566 00:28:28.150 --> 00:28:31.410 It does make me wonder... Are we like, do we 567 00:28:31.450 --> 00:28:35.029 need new categories now? Because it's always just been, you know, 568 00:28:35.109 --> 00:28:37.710 film is film and TV is just dumb sitcoms. And 569 00:28:37.750 --> 00:28:40.009 like now that we have this, because it got stepped 570 00:28:40.069 --> 00:28:42.049 up a little bit when we had like Sopranos and 571 00:28:42.069 --> 00:28:43.670 stuff like that. But when you get to a point 572 00:28:43.930 --> 00:28:47.529 like the Netflix shows, I'm like, it is just a 573 00:28:47.529 --> 00:28:51.150 10 to 12 hour movie, basically. Like it sometimes they 574 00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:53.680 set it up as an episode kind of thing where 575 00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:55.599 it does at least wrap up an hour at a time, 576 00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:58.750 sort of. but it's still telling, it's almost more of 577 00:28:58.809 --> 00:29:01.009 like what a miniseries used to be. They don't do 578 00:29:01.049 --> 00:29:03.069 those anymore. But I was thinking that the other day. 579 00:29:03.089 --> 00:29:06.940 I was like, it's basically just like an epic miniseries idea, 580 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.720 only now we just take it for granted. 581 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.119 It's really funny you say that, because ABC is just 582 00:29:11.180 --> 00:29:14.740 about to do a miniseries about Bernie Madoff, and it 583 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.420 looks like a film. And it's Richard Dreyfuss is playing 584 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.950 Bernie Madoff, and it has all the, it's like they're 585 00:29:19.990 --> 00:29:21.650 all catching up a little bit too late. 586 00:29:21.750 --> 00:29:24.670 Yeah, that's networked. Right, right. 587 00:29:24.869 --> 00:29:26.660 But I did actually watch the trailer and go, fuck, 588 00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:28.569 I got to make sure I see this. This looks amazing. 589 00:29:28.589 --> 00:29:32.990 Because it's the what happens to the family. It's like 590 00:29:33.069 -->

00:29:36.269 how he conned them and then how they got fucked. 591 00:29:36.390 --> 00:29:39.269 And it looks so good. Oh, my God. I'm swearing 592 00:29:39.289 --> 00:29:39.789 like crazy. Oh. 593 00:29:40.089 --> 00:29:43.599 Yeah. I try to bring new words into it. You 594 00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:44.779 can make up new curse words. 595 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.000 I heard the one where you said you had somebody 596 00:29:47.019 --> 00:29:47.980 on your show and you're like, there's going to be 597 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.500 a lot of swearing in this one. So that's not 598 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:51.150 your thing. It's not your thing. 599 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.960 Yeah, I at least warn people ahead of time. After that, 600 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:54.920 it's your own fault. 601 00:29:54.960 --> 00:30:00.640 But anyway, there is that catching up. The thing that 602 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.579 is in my mind all the time is, where's the 603 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.059 money going to come from? Where is the money coming from? 604 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.140 And how are they generating money? Because in a weird way, 605 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.769 I guess it's subscription, even though people can steal things. 606 00:30:12.809 --> 00:30:15.069 Although I don't watch pirated stuff, not because I'm a 607 00:30:15.089 --> 00:30:16.970 virtuous person. It just seems like too much trouble. 608 00:30:17.789 --> 00:30:19.990 Yeah, it is a fight for that new stuff. 609 00:30:20.289 --> 00:30:22.150 And they watch that really hard. 610 00:30:22.170 --> 00:30:24.069 So I'm like, it's not worth it for me. I'd 611 00:30:24.089 --> 00:30:24.960 rather just watch it. 612 00:30:25.069 --> 00:30:27.529 Especially when it's so easy to get it the right way. 613 00:30:27.549 --> 00:30:31.579 I think that's what they found, especially with music. Back 614 00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.799 when Napster was a thing, it was a big deal. 615 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:36.519 And they were like, well, people are just going to 616 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.960 steal it all. All they had to do was make iTunes. 617 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:41.910 Make a really simple way for you to not steal it. 618 00:30:42.220 --> 00:30:44.240 People are fine with that, too. All it has to 619 00:30:44.289 --> 00:30:46.269 be is simple, I think. And people are like, all right, 620 00:30:46.289 --> 00:30:47.670 good enough. Right. 621 00:30:48.339 --> 00:30:51.000 I don't think, except for with the hand, it was 622 00:30:51.099 --> 00:30:54.000 ever about the cost. I mean, things couldn't cost less. 623 00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:57.319 But music has a different value now because you don't 624 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.900 spend any time with it as a separate item. When 625 00:31:00.940 --> 00:31:03.859 it was actually a function of an activity that required 626 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.809 your hands, it was a different experience. 627 00:31:06.829 --> 00:31:09.730 But that's coming back, too.

I just did a whole 628 00:31:09.789 --> 00:31:12.740 vinyl episode, and I'm talking to people about the... the 629 00:31:12.859 --> 00:31:17.309 weird resurgence of vinyl and people suddenly value a physical 630 00:31:17.390 --> 00:31:21.200 form of music again, which they did like for 15, 631 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:24.190 20 years, like nobody did like even CDs. It's like, eh, whatever, 632 00:31:24.250 --> 00:31:25.930 you know, it was just the thing. But like all 633 00:31:25.950 --> 00:31:29.009 of a sudden there's this like reverence toward the physical 634 00:31:29.109 --> 00:31:32.400 form of music again. And that's, it's strange. I think 635 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.799 it came from having none of that. And then we 636 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.720 have this new generation of kids coming up now that's like, well, 637 00:31:38.299 --> 00:31:40.779 This is a novel concept. You know, it's I'm, I'm 638 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.319 actually physically doing it. I think it started as more 639 00:31:43.339 --> 00:31:46.680 of like a joke or at least the ironic way of, haha, 640 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:50.259 this is so weird and retro. And eventually they went, 641 00:31:50.380 --> 00:31:52.220 Oh no, I really like this. Like I think people 642 00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:55.000 sort of settled back into it. And there's, there's people 643 00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:58.440 that are starting to respect, you know, physical forms of 644 00:31:58.509 --> 00:32:01.710 media again. So there's maybe a little hope that that'll 645 00:32:01.730 --> 00:32:02.950 still be around in the future. 646 00:32:03.109 --> 00:32:05.630 Well, the other thing that's going to be interesting, just 647 00:32:05.650 --> 00:32:09.589 thinking about the other day, you know, It's not as fast, 648 00:32:09.650 --> 00:32:11.750 but you could take a picture of your penis and 649 00:32:11.809 --> 00:32:14.029 print it and put it into an envelope. 650 00:32:14.170 --> 00:32:17.190 You're saying that like I don't have this experience? 651 00:32:17.329 --> 00:32:19.930 And you could write a dirty letter in handprint and 652 00:32:19.990 --> 00:32:24.049 send it to somebody, and no one except you, the recipient, 653 00:32:24.210 --> 00:32:27.430 maybe the postman, would have it. And even if a 654 00:32:27.470 --> 00:32:30.069 person got it, they'd have to upload the picture so 655 00:32:30.089 --> 00:32:33.150 they could show everybody, and at that point, they're tired. 656 00:32:33.849 --> 00:32:35.819 The mail is something that will occur to people like, 657 00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:39.200 you know, if we don't want to get caught, we 658 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.529 could send it in the mail, right? We could write, 659 00:32:42.650 --> 00:32:46.430 this whole thing should be done in letters, handwritten letters. Like, suddenly, 660 00:32:46.470 --> 00:32:48.349 I think people in crime should slow down and go, 661 00:32:48.589 --> 00:32:50.130 you know, if we just weren't doing this on the

internet, 662 00:32:50.450 --> 00:32:52.490 you know, you can still send stuff. The mail still works. 663 00:32:52.869 --> 00:32:54.670 It's back to that easy thing. 664 00:32:54.710 --> 00:32:56.619 It's like, oh, that's too much trouble. Can't I just 665 00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.720 steal stuff real simple? 666 00:32:57.859 --> 00:33:00.420 Yeah, no, it's like, it's that thing of like. 667 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:02.079 Can't I screw around with my wife and do it? 668 00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:04.880 It's too much trouble to write letters to her. Never mind. 669 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.460 People will be like, So in that box, later on, 670 00:33:07.490 --> 00:33:10.470 there's going to be something. Yeah, every day, letters come. 671 00:33:11.069 --> 00:33:12.839 Letters from people. Yeah, they're going to talk to you. 672 00:33:13.130 --> 00:33:15.019 Is it like a secret? Yeah, it's a secret box. 673 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.220 And there are words inside. Those are called envelopes. And 674 00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:21.759 you open the envelope, and there's secret messages inside. 675 00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.099 It's the thing. People screwing around on their spouses. They're 676 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.039 always getting busted on their phone with texts and photos 677 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.140 going back and forth. Right. Think if you mailed them, 678 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.960 you read your dirty letter, you immediately burnt it. 679 00:33:32.589 --> 00:33:33.490 Nothing ever happened. 680 00:33:34.009 --> 00:33:36.069 No one could ever prove anything existed. 681 00:33:36.089 --> 00:33:37.910 So it took a couple of days, but you waited 682 00:33:37.950 --> 00:33:40.420 for the exciting things to come in the mail. You 683 00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:45.200 know what I mean? It was like no texting. You 684 00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:48.059 went off that electronic trail. Start sending letters to people. 685 00:33:48.099 --> 00:33:53.160 Start writing. And I think people will rediscover certain elements 686 00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:55.410 of that because I think they'll burn out on this 687 00:33:55.509 --> 00:33:57.269 or they'll want to get away from it. People are 688 00:33:57.289 --> 00:33:59.369 going to want to detach from the grid. They're going 689 00:33:59.390 --> 00:34:01.109 to figure out a way to get away from that 690 00:34:01.170 --> 00:34:03.910 whole thing. And I think you're right. I think albums 691 00:34:03.970 --> 00:34:07.890 are the first. I should fucking invest in, like, pens. Oh, 692 00:34:07.910 --> 00:34:09.760 my God. I'm going to invest in pens and envelopes. 693 00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:11.000 Really fancy pens. 694 00:34:11.059 --> 00:34:13.079 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. 695 00:34:13.099 --> 00:34:15.420 Because, again, I see, like, if it's going to be 696 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.480 a novel thing anyway, why not spend $ 50 on this 697 00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:19.920 really fancy pen of mine? 698 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:21.420 Then everybody will compare. 699 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.179 You call it a letter pen. This is four letters. 700 00:34:25.539 --> 00:34:27.820 It's always a competition thing, too. It's like, oh, my 701 00:34:27.860 --> 00:34:30.070 pen's better than your pen. So then you've got to 702 00:34:30.110 --> 00:34:30.940 jack up the price a little bit. 703 00:34:30.949 --> 00:34:37.610 Beautiful hand-crafted artisan envelopes. Heavy-duty paper. You make your own papyrus. 704 00:34:38.429 --> 00:34:39.860 the whole thing. 705 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:42.619 You say this as it's a joke, but I can 706 00:34:42.659 --> 00:34:44.460 see people totally getting into this. 707 00:34:44.500 --> 00:34:46.719 No, the typewriter comes back and people are doing these 708 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:49.659 typewritten letters. Everyone knows how to type. Why not just 709 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.239 do it on a typewriter? And then no one has 710 00:34:52.300 --> 00:34:54.449 a record of this except you and me. This is 711 00:34:54.530 --> 00:34:59.829 our personal record to each other that we are keeping 712 00:35:00.030 --> 00:35:02.949 that no one knows about because it's in the fucking mail. 713 00:35:03.010 --> 00:35:05.130 But how's it going to get to the cloud? we 714 00:35:05.150 --> 00:35:07.090 need to leak this stuff out to the world, don't we? 715 00:35:07.110 --> 00:35:08.969 No, no, no, the postman is the cloud. 716 00:35:09.750 --> 00:35:10.829 This is crazy talk. 717 00:35:11.590 --> 00:35:13.429 No, I think you're right. I do think that people 718 00:35:13.469 --> 00:35:15.710 will start to discover a value. I think the record 719 00:35:15.750 --> 00:35:17.510 thing is a little bit of the world wanting to 720 00:35:17.530 --> 00:35:20.010 slow itself down and go, you know what, flip aside, 721 00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:22.590 listen to it. That's the idea, I think, of people like, 722 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.000 it's like people who like good coffee. It's like, I 723 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.019 want to really experience this music. I want to actually 724 00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.480 make it an activity, not a passive thing. And I 725 00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:32.820 want to put it on, and I want to sit 726 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:34.659 in my room, and I want to have good speakers. 727 00:35:35.139 --> 00:35:37.039 And I want to listen to. And then, of course, 728 00:35:37.059 --> 00:35:39.139 they're going to find the artists that they think sound best. 729 00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:40.780 And everyone's going to have their own opinion about whether 730 00:35:40.820 --> 00:35:43.659 it's jazz or an old punk record. But it's still, 731 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.139 I think it's a great thing. I love it. We 732 00:35:47.179 --> 00:35:49.940 don't have a turntable anymore. And I sold all of 733 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.780 my records when I was a drug addict years ago. 734 00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.570 But I want to start again.

I'd love to have 735 00:35:56.590 --> 00:35:58.769 a small collection. I have actually some records at home. 736 00:35:58.849 --> 00:36:01.750 People give them to me as gifts. And I really 737 00:36:01.829 --> 00:36:05.130 love that idea of having a, you know, not a super... 738 00:36:05.530 --> 00:36:07.670 I don't want to be the guy that's like, you know, 739 00:36:07.769 --> 00:36:11.090 with a $ 50, 000 needle. I just want a decent, a 740 00:36:11.170 --> 00:36:14.300 decent setup where I can have that experience for me. 741 00:36:14.489 --> 00:36:15.860 I don't even care if my kids like it or not. 742 00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:17.699 Again, I got into it. 743 00:36:17.780 --> 00:36:21.480 So like into the digital, like I quickly embraced the 744 00:36:21.539 --> 00:36:24.019 new technologies each time. So I didn't have a huge, 745 00:36:24.739 --> 00:36:27.860 like deep rooted love for vinyl. What I've found that 746 00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:30.880 I really appreciate is the going back and looking at 747 00:36:31.090 --> 00:36:33.389 all the weird stuff that ended up on there that like, 748 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.099 now nobody would bother to make some of these albums, 749 00:36:37.179 --> 00:36:40.139 but like they're out there. Like, I think that's what 750 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.659 I like is like, you can kind of delve into 751 00:36:42.699 --> 00:36:45.619 this like box of vinyl, God knows where, and find 752 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.670 things that you can't imagine ever got made, let alone 753 00:36:48.730 --> 00:36:50.869 pressed on vinyl. Like they got to a point where 754 00:36:50.889 --> 00:36:52.929 they would put a lot of weird stuff on vinyl. 755 00:36:52.969 --> 00:36:53.309 Yeah. 756 00:36:53.489 --> 00:36:53.769 Yeah. 757 00:36:53.849 --> 00:36:59.119 No. And, and, um, uh, and they spent money on it. 758 00:36:59.139 --> 00:37:00.960 Like it was, you know, it wasn't, like we said earlier, 759 00:37:00.980 --> 00:37:02.539 it wasn't cheap to do. It was cheap to. 760 00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:03.579 Make a record. It was a big deal. 761 00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:03.860 Yeah. 762 00:37:03.980 --> 00:37:06.980 You know, it was a big deal. Like, you know, um, 763 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:08.599 even being on television, you know, I was talking to 764 00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:09.929 someone the other day and he said, are you going 765 00:37:09.949 --> 00:37:11.550 to do a special, another special? And I said, well, 766 00:37:11.570 --> 00:37:13.630 I have another, I go, I don't, they don't feel 767 00:37:13.690 --> 00:37:17.170 special to me anymore. They feel like an, uh, a 768 00:37:17.269 --> 00:37:20.190 standup obligation in a weird way. 769 00:37:20.969 --> 00:37:23.590 Like I remember when, when about the only way you 770 00:37:23.610 --> 00:37:25.519 could do it in, it was a big deal is 771 00:37:25.539 --> 00:37:27.300 when you ended up on one of the cable networks. 772 00:37:27.340 --> 00:37:28.599 And it was like, if you had one of those 773 00:37:28.780 --> 00:37:31.849 HBO specials, like they promoted the hell out of it. 774 00:37:32.250 --> 00:37:34.869 Like it was an event when it finally happened. And like, 775 00:37:35.010 --> 00:37:38.070 once all those kind of went away, like now there's 776 00:37:38.110 --> 00:37:40.750 the resurgence of comedy and there's so many great comedians 777 00:37:40.829 --> 00:37:43.050 out there, but I don't think anybody ever knows. Like 778 00:37:43.130 --> 00:37:44.530 I'll go on Netflix and go, look at all these 779 00:37:44.570 --> 00:37:46.610 standup specials. I had no idea existed. 780 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:47.400 Right. 781 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:49.360 I don't think there's any good way to get the 782 00:37:49.380 --> 00:37:49.780 word out. 783 00:37:49.820 --> 00:37:51.639 They move them in really quick and they promote them. 784 00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.960 And like, you know, I mean, that's a nice, you know, 785 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.400 like my second when Netflix was really starting to kick off. 786 00:37:57.659 --> 00:37:57.860 Yeah. 787 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.179 My second special, which got very little play on my 788 00:38:01.219 --> 00:38:05.780 second hour, which gave very little play on Comedy Central, 789 00:38:05.900 --> 00:38:08.719 even though they bought it, was right up there on Netflix. 790 00:38:09.530 --> 00:38:11.869 And so I saw a bump and I saw people go, 791 00:38:11.889 --> 00:38:13.809 I didn't know you did stand up or whatever. So 792 00:38:13.829 --> 00:38:15.780 that was kind of cool. It's not my favorite of 793 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:20.730 the specials, but it was up there. And so I 794 00:38:22.849 --> 00:38:27.369 want to make something because I want, I think, you know, 795 00:38:27.429 --> 00:38:31.340 I want more current YouTube clips. because that's how people 796 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:31.630 reference you. 797 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:32.519 That's what it is now. 798 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.300 They reference you through YouTube, and they watch. Everybody who 799 00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:37.860 comes to see me goes, I didn't know who you were, 800 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.639 and then I watched a couple of clips on YouTube 801 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.440 and shit. Dude, I was like, yeah, I'm going to 802 00:38:42.460 --> 00:38:42.940 calm down. 803 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:43.900 I'm going to see that. 804 00:38:43.940 --> 00:38:47.239 Yeah, that shit was good, dude. And that's how everybody 805 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.349 does it. They check you out as a stand-up, for sure. 806 00:38:49.489 --> 00:38:52.010 They check you out on YouTube. So to me, it's 807 00:38:52.050 --> 00:38:53.530 like the whole point of getting a special is so 808 00:38:53.550 --> 00:38:56.289 you can break it into pieces, and they will watch 809 00:38:56.329 --> 00:38:59.550 the better of the clips. Everyone talks about like, oh, 810 00:38:59.630 --> 00:39:02.750 you know, people burning their

material or somebody shooting them. 811 00:39:02.789 --> 00:39:04.590 It's like, when I see a shitty clip of the 812 00:39:04.769 --> 00:39:07.190 White Stripes, I don't watch it. Or if somebody's at 813 00:39:07.230 --> 00:39:09.340 a Jack White concert and I see a shaky handheld thing, 814 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.880 I was like, I just want to see a good one. 815 00:39:10.900 --> 00:39:11.699 I don't want to hear your shitty. 816 00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:12.639 Watch the well-produced stuff. 817 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:14.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if Jack White gets in 818 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.219 a fight and this is the only thing. 819 00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:18.519 Then you want the camcorder version of it. 820 00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:20.260 Yeah, I mean, I want to see like, you know, 821 00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:23.860 if there's some cool thing, then that's fine. But other 822 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:26.380 than that, I just, I want to see a quality production, 823 00:39:26.739 --> 00:39:28.719 something I can hear, something I can understand. 824 00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:32.510 Um, what I feel like people need to do in 825 00:39:32.590 --> 00:39:35.230 comedy is go in just like this is how it happens. 826 00:39:35.650 --> 00:39:38.590 Instead of even doing a special, just do like. like 827 00:39:38.610 --> 00:39:41.690 your own YouTube series where you just put out 15 828 00:39:41.690 --> 00:39:44.949 minute clips of like your favorite stuff and like create 829 00:39:44.969 --> 00:39:47.869 it specifically to go out to people on YouTube because 830 00:39:47.889 --> 00:39:49.630 you know, that's what they're doing. So you might even 831 00:39:49.670 --> 00:39:51.880 do like a year of like, this is my whole, 832 00:39:52.110 --> 00:39:54.219 you know, material that normally would be an hour or 833 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:56.800 a whole full show and just start putting them out 834 00:39:57.460 --> 00:40:01.019 with a decent production value directly as like a YouTube thing. 835 00:40:01.059 --> 00:40:03.510 Like it, it, It's kind of coming to that anyway. 836 00:40:03.590 --> 00:40:06.300 Yeah, I don't... Now that you say that, and I 837 00:40:06.340 --> 00:40:08.389 have this new hour, and I've been thinking about what 838 00:40:08.409 --> 00:40:13.500 to do with it. And again, there's no money in 839 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:17.940 it on Netflix. Let's say John Mulaney... Well, if Netflix 840 00:40:17.980 --> 00:40:21.079 pays you to make one, it does. But for the 841 00:40:21.139 --> 00:40:24.039 most part... you or a production company make it and 842 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:25.480 they sell it and you break even. 843 00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:28.400 You put it on there mostly just to help you 844 00:40:28.460 --> 00:40:30.460 promote yourself when you go on the road, basically. 845 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.199 Right, yeah, and then hopefully do a different hour after that. 846 00:40:35.539 --> 00:40:37.639 But you only do it so that you can

be 847 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.400 heard above the din of your peers so that you 848 00:40:39.420 --> 00:40:41.590 can sell tickets. And so people know you're still relevant, 849 00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:44.590 you know what I mean? And for your handful of 850 00:40:44.630 --> 00:40:48.090 fans that want to, but like, Uncool, which is my 851 00:40:48.269 --> 00:40:51.510 first record, is on Bandcamp and it sells and You know, 852 00:40:51.590 --> 00:40:53.889 it sells like every year, a nice check drops in, 853 00:40:53.929 --> 00:40:56.579 and I get spins on the radio. So there's something 854 00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:01.519 in having it documented, even if it's not a special. 855 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:03.760 You know what I mean? Because like you said, right, 856 00:41:03.860 --> 00:41:07.699 it's like Amy Schumer will do a special after she's 857 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:09.059 become a movie star first. 858 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.199 Yeah, that's kind of what it's come to. Well, I mean, 859 00:41:13.530 --> 00:41:17.809 getting into that, I guess what did you– decide you 860 00:41:17.849 --> 00:41:19.909 were going for as you as you because you've ended 861 00:41:19.969 --> 00:41:22.639 up in so many different areas in the entertainment industry 862 00:41:22.699 --> 00:41:25.500 as a whole where were you going initially was it 863 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.440 comedy that you reacted to like when you were a 864 00:41:28.460 --> 00:41:30.400 kid watching that stuff is that what you kind of 865 00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:31.400 felt drawn towards. 866 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.840 Now music music yeah i was a i was a 867 00:41:33.929 --> 00:41:42.150 hardcore horrible athlete jock uh and i um because i 868 00:41:42.170 --> 00:41:44.610 felt like i really loved sports when i was a 869 00:41:44.630 --> 00:41:47.000 kid and i wanted to be an athlete And then 870 00:41:47.019 --> 00:41:48.820 I got an Aerosmith record and went, that's a whole 871 00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:51.719 different way of being a man. And I like that, man. 872 00:41:51.739 --> 00:41:52.920 Scarves and shit, holy shit. 873 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:54.380 That is a different kind of man. 874 00:41:54.579 --> 00:41:58.239 That is a way. Sign me up, bro. Sign me up. 875 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:04.869 So I almost immediately got a guitar and dropped sports. 876 00:42:07.269 --> 00:42:09.250 I mean, it didn't quite happen like that. But I 877 00:42:09.309 --> 00:42:13.210 went to college and I continued to play rugby, which 878 00:42:13.250 --> 00:42:15.820 I played in high school. And, but I really got 879 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:20.820 serious about playing music and badly, but, but serious. And 880 00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:22.659 so music was my thing. And then I got into 881 00:42:22.699 --> 00:42:24.719 the theater department when I was in college. And so 882 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.289 I was always, I think headed towards, my mom was 883 00:42:27.349 --> 00:42:29.829 always shoving me

towards some kind of, she was like, 884 00:42:29.849 --> 00:42:31.409 you should be in an acting class or something. Cause 885 00:42:31.429 --> 00:42:33.849 I was not an academic at my school. You know? 886 00:42:33.869 --> 00:42:35.849 So she was always like, I did go to a college, 887 00:42:36.309 --> 00:42:39.110 but I, but they just were like, you're just, you're 888 00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:42.210 a funny guy. And my parents loved comedy. My parents 889 00:42:42.389 --> 00:42:45.130 loved comedy. They, you know, they grew up, they lived 890 00:42:45.150 --> 00:42:48.110 in San Francisco. They saw all the greats when they 891 00:42:48.309 --> 00:42:50.590 started out, you know, they saw Phyllis Diller and Bob 892 00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:51.940 Newhart and Cosby. 893 00:42:52.139 --> 00:42:54.039 Did you respond to the stuff they were into? 894 00:42:54.099 --> 00:42:54.460 Yeah. 895 00:42:54.500 --> 00:42:55.659 Some of it. I love Cosby. 896 00:42:55.780 --> 00:42:57.719 Not the punk rock thing of like, whatever you like. 897 00:42:57.739 --> 00:43:00.880 No, no, no. My parents had cool taste. They were not, 898 00:43:00.940 --> 00:43:04.059 they didn't, they grew up. I mean, they could have, 899 00:43:04.219 --> 00:43:06.230 they could have gone one or two ways. They went the, 900 00:43:06.610 --> 00:43:12.440 the North beach beats, you know, um, uh, jazz comedy 901 00:43:13.179 --> 00:43:16.280 way as opposed to the Beatles. Right. So they, that 902 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.360 was their groove was like, they really love going to 903 00:43:18.380 --> 00:43:21.480 comedy clubs and they love going to musicals and they 904 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.300 love going to jazz. So they, that and plays, they 905 00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:26.260 love plays. So we did a lot of that. They 906 00:43:26.300 --> 00:43:28.489 were very arty in that way. And so, uh, in 907 00:43:28.510 --> 00:43:31.690 a very madman way. And so they really liked comedy. 908 00:43:31.969 --> 00:43:35.070 And so my mom was always sort of nudging me there. 909 00:43:35.110 --> 00:43:38.150 And I'd be like, first off, no, secondly, no. 910 00:43:39.150 --> 00:43:42.030 Like I really just, yeah, I'll have none of it. 911 00:43:42.090 --> 00:43:42.230 No. 912 00:43:42.309 --> 00:43:43.690 And I was like, I'm not going to, I think I, 913 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:45.019 at one point I actually said the sentence, I'm not 914 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.599 going to prostitute my personality for money. 915 00:43:47.980 --> 00:43:49.559 This was during the punk rock years, wasn't it? 916 00:43:49.579 --> 00:43:53.579 Yeah. So stupid. And I was such a terrible guitar 917 00:43:53.619 --> 00:43:56.739 player and I, and I, but I, you know, I 918 00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.010 really responded to music. I felt like it sort of 919 00:44:00.170 --> 00:44:03.949 was a, um, a place where I found refuge like 920 00:44:04.010 --> 00:44:05.909 everybody else does like, Oh my God, these are the 921 00:44:05.989 --> 00:44:06.750 people that I like. 922 00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:07.210 Yeah. 923 00:44:07.530 --> 00:44:09.650 And there's, you know, and I have to say, like, 924 00:44:09.829 --> 00:44:12.849 you know, I went to college. I made a gay friend. 925 00:44:13.550 --> 00:44:15.239 You know, I experimented with drugs. 926 00:44:15.260 --> 00:44:18.300 Breaking out of that small world that you grew up in. Yeah, yeah. 927 00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:22.239 I started experimenting with drugs. I started going to independent film. 928 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:27.190 You know, I still love David Lynch and Jim Jarmusch 929 00:44:27.269 --> 00:44:30.010 and those pioneer days of independent film. 930 00:44:30.789 --> 00:44:33.150 You know, um, again, that some of that stuff got 931 00:44:33.210 --> 00:44:37.170 made at that point is amazing. Incredibly that they were financing. 932 00:44:37.230 --> 00:44:38.929 Cause now David Lynch does whatever he wants. 933 00:44:39.179 --> 00:44:40.699 He does it on digital. He does it for three 934 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:41.469 and a half hours. 935 00:44:41.530 --> 00:44:41.760 Right. 936 00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:45.460 But the studio finance things like blue velvet at the 937 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.679 time and like put a good amount of money in 938 00:44:47.860 --> 00:44:51.239 production value into something that's still pretty weird. And that's 939 00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:54.710 one of his most normal things he did. But like, Yeah, 940 00:44:54.750 --> 00:44:57.489 the fact that he got funding to do something as 941 00:44:57.530 --> 00:44:59.340 weird as that and other artists at that time. 942 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.119 Right, Alex Cox was another big one. You know, Repo 943 00:45:02.139 --> 00:45:04.179 Man's still one of my favorite movies ever. One of 944 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.820 the best soundtracks that's ever been made. You know, I 945 00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:09.300 just really responded to all of that stuff. I just, 946 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:13.309 you know, and, you know, it was the post-punk era, 947 00:45:13.329 --> 00:45:15.889 so it was, you know, it was starting with the 948 00:45:15.909 --> 00:45:20.250 Stray Cats and the Bow Wow Wow and the Fall and, 949 00:45:20.349 --> 00:45:22.909 you know, anything that was just like after punk where everyone, 950 00:45:23.070 --> 00:45:25.780 punk basically said, You can do whatever you want, and 951 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.260 that doesn't just mean ripping on guitar. So you had 952 00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.440 the talking heads, and there's just all that shit. So 953 00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:35.090 it was a really cool time in everything, in music 954 00:45:35.139 --> 00:45:37.389 and cinema, because everyone was sort of taking the punk 955 00:45:37.429 --> 00:45:40.750 ethos but not making it challenging and not making it 956 00:45:40.889 --> 00:45:43.269 all angry. Some of it was weird. Some of it 957 00:45:43.329 --> 00:45:45.130 was dark.

Some of it was ridiculous. Some of it 958 00:45:45.150 --> 00:45:46.969 was silly. Some of it was fun, like the Stray 959 00:45:46.989 --> 00:45:49.130 Cats were just fucking fun. I mean, I don't think 960 00:45:49.170 --> 00:45:51.550 people realize that when the Stray Cats came around, they 961 00:45:51.570 --> 00:45:53.449 seemed like a cornball band now, but at the time 962 00:45:53.489 --> 00:45:56.099 they were like, what the, you know, because that's not 963 00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:58.099 what rockabilly looked like in the 50s. These guys looked 964 00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:02.190 like a cross between rockabilly and goths and girls. And 965 00:46:02.230 --> 00:46:04.860 they were really interesting. And Brian said, like, it was 966 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:08.940 a real, like, Out of context, it seems like they're 967 00:46:09.099 --> 00:46:11.429 in dress-up. But when you were there, you were like, 968 00:46:11.449 --> 00:46:12.510 these guys are cool, man. 969 00:46:12.530 --> 00:46:15.710 Well, it was so legit, especially with Brian. He was like, 970 00:46:15.909 --> 00:46:17.849 I mean, he was so rooted in that that he 971 00:46:17.889 --> 00:46:21.269 kind of brought back that weird 50s thing. And then 972 00:46:21.309 --> 00:46:25.170 a few years later, he totally brought back the swing movement. 973 00:46:25.210 --> 00:46:27.989 He revived two dead music genres, and he's never on 974 00:46:28.030 --> 00:46:29.989 the list of best 50 guitar players. That's amazing to me. 975 00:46:30.030 --> 00:46:32.940 Yeah, it's like he's so influential in the way he 976 00:46:32.980 --> 00:46:35.719 affects the industry that but nobody really gives him credit 977 00:46:35.739 --> 00:46:36.619 for it. No, because he. 978 00:46:36.619 --> 00:46:42.449 Had ridiculous hair and eyeliner and tattoos at a time 979 00:46:42.469 --> 00:46:45.309 when it wasn't as in vogue or whatever. 980 00:46:45.329 --> 00:47:23.280 Yeah. Yes, folks, it's intermission time. So how about taking 981 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.559 a break? Get out and stretch a little and relax 982 00:47:26.619 --> 00:47:29.440 before the show begins again. And why not make it 983 00:47:29.500 --> 00:47:33.679 refreshment time, too? We have lots of tasty, delicious treats 984 00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:35.619 waiting for you at the refreshment center. 985 00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:38.969 This episode is brought to you by Crosley Turntables. Starting 986 00:47:39.010 --> 00:47:41.920 back in 1920, the Crosley Company produced the first low-priced 987 00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.280 radio for the general public, and ever since, they've been 988 00:47:44.300 --> 00:47:47.739 working to provide innovative and affordable electronics. 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And then eventually I got 1045 00:51:10.670 --> 00:51:15.190 into theater and I realized that, you know, I'm pretty 1046 00:51:15.409 --> 00:51:17.760 good at being funny. I can do that pretty quick. 1047 00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.400 I'd always had it, but everyone in my family is funny, 1048 00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.260 and all my friends are funny, so I never felt 1049 00:51:22.300 --> 00:51:24.090 like I was any different. It just felt like a 1050 00:51:24.150 --> 00:51:26.730 high-stakes game of who's fucking funny all the time. 1051 00:51:26.750 --> 00:51:27.449 My dad's hilarious. 1052 00:51:27.489 --> 00:51:29.389 My grandmother was hilarious. People were just funny. 1053 00:51:30.010 --> 00:51:32.590 When you started doing it, did you feel like you 1054 00:51:32.610 --> 00:51:35.389 needed a structure to it, or did it become, I'm 1055 00:51:35.409 --> 00:51:37.380 just being me, I'm just telling stories? 1056 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:39.940 Well, I didn't really, I just sort of spat and 1057 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.679 yelled and made faces and did weird stuff, and I 1058 00:51:42.739 --> 00:51:44.840 tried to write jokes as, you know, I tried to 1059 00:51:44.860 --> 00:51:47.909 write like, Jokes the way Mitch Hedberg writes jokes, and 1060 00:51:47.929 --> 00:51:49.289 I just didn't know how to do that. 1061 00:51:49.309 --> 00:51:50.989 Yeah, that's a very specific skill. 1062 00:51:51.329 --> 00:51:54.039 And my mom just kept saying, just talk. My mom 1063 00:51:54.059 --> 00:51:56.739 would just say, you know like at dinner when you're funny? 1064 00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.440 Just do that. And I go, that sounds a lot 1065 00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:04.460 easier than it is. But eventually, that's exactly what I do. 1066 00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:06.699 I just tell a story like, okay, wait a second. 1067 00:52:06.739 --> 00:52:07.539 Let me tell you something. 1068 00:52:07.739 --> 00:52:08.179 Like, hang on. 1069 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:10.769 I got one. So my kids, right? So that's how 1070 00:52:10.889 --> 00:52:13.369 I approach my stand-up is like, oh, I'm going to 1071 00:52:13.409 --> 00:52:14.969 tell it. I'm going to share it with everybody like 1072 00:52:15.570 --> 00:52:19.440 we're just hanging out. And I want to genuinely make 1073 00:52:19.460 --> 00:52:20.639 you laugh, but I also want to tell you this 1074 00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.320 really interesting story. And then I just sort of leave that. 1075 00:52:24.420 --> 00:52:26.760 And I never tell the story ever quite the same. 1076 00:52:27.340 --> 00:52:31.280 I've never written any of it down. it's all just memorized. 1077 00:52:31.340 --> 00:52:32.900 And sometimes people go, don't you remember you used to 1078 00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:33.920 say this? And I go, oh my God, that's a 1079 00:52:33.940 --> 00:52:36.780 fucking great joke. That's mine? Right. I used to put 1080 00:52:36.820 --> 00:52:37.280 that in the end. 1081 00:52:37.300 --> 00:52:39.050 I ain't going to word it that way again. 1082 00:52:39.090 --> 00:52:40.530 You're right. I'm right. 1083 00:52:40.929 --> 00:52:44.030 Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I do that. That's one of the 1084 00:52:44.070 --> 00:52:45.289 bad parts of it. But the other part of it 1085 00:52:45.309 --> 00:52:48.110 is I make new discoveries when I'm on stage every 1086 00:52:48.170 --> 00:52:51.389 night with a crowd. So I'm doing the basic same bit, 1087 00:52:51.449 --> 00:52:54.130 but then I'll find a whole brand new thing that 1088 00:52:54.170 --> 00:52:55.670 may only be there that one night in the club 1089 00:52:55.690 --> 00:52:57.829 and then it's gone. And to me, that's sort of 1090 00:52:59.690 --> 00:53:03.590 That's between me and Louisville. That's between me and Chicago. 1091 00:53:04.110 --> 00:53:06.949 Like that was our moment together, you know, in this story. 1092 00:53:07.030 --> 00:53:10.409 And I and I and maybe it'll be recorded. Maybe 1093 00:53:10.429 --> 00:53:14.809 it won't. But like the goal isn't to like. Make 1094 00:53:14.869 --> 00:53:19.820 something that's good and then. And then make it so 1095 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:21.420 it gets me to another place where I don't have 1096 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.320 to come to Louisville. My thing is to come here 1097 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.940 and have experience with you and have you dig it. 1098 00:53:27.340 --> 00:53:31.539 Keep having that interaction. Keep having that response. We're not 1099 00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:33.329 waiting for the special. This is the special. 1100 00:53:33.809 --> 00:53:35.190 Tonight is as good as I want it. 1101 00:53:35.190 --> 00:53:35.989 Every performance is special. 1102 00:53:36.190 --> 00:53:39.489 That's right. In a corny way of putting it. I 1103 00:53:39.570 --> 00:53:42.050 want this to be this. I want you to have said, 1104 00:53:42.309 --> 00:53:44.469 this is one of the five best comics I've ever seen. 1105 00:53:44.489 --> 00:53:46.320 It doesn't have to be number one, but I want 1106 00:53:46.360 -->

00:53:47.739 you to go, I remember that guy. I remember him, 1107 00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.449 you know. I mean, the crowd at the show last 1108 00:53:51.489 --> 00:53:54.070 night will remember me because nobody really dug it, and 1109 00:53:54.329 --> 00:53:57.429 I shouted a lot. But that's also okay with me. 1110 00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.360 Yeah. I mean, again, that's part of the experience and 1111 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.159 how it differs every time, if that's what you're going for. 1112 00:54:03.219 --> 00:54:07.539 The only time I ever feel bad about shows like 1113 00:54:07.579 --> 00:54:10.400 that is when I cave and start digging for stuff 1114 00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:14.159 that I know works from before. But I don't do 1115 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.900 that now. I'm just like, this is the hour. like 1116 00:54:17.980 --> 00:54:20.079 it or not but I have to I have to 1117 00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:23.239 grow I can't not grow and this isn't a greatest 1118 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.219 hits tour and then because you you don't want to 1119 00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:27.920 see this stuff the next time I come around. 1120 00:54:28.099 --> 00:54:30.199 I think that's and again it is that's why I 1121 00:54:30.219 --> 00:54:33.730 always try to see how people start out because I 1122 00:54:33.769 --> 00:54:35.769 think there are people that just start out that way. 1123 00:54:35.650 --> 00:54:37.969 And then their stand-ups in particular. 1124 00:54:37.469 --> 00:54:39.329 Are they kind of come at it with a very 1125 00:54:39.449 --> 00:54:43.409 structured way they watch other people that do very specific 1126 00:54:43.489 --> 00:54:46.210 like these are set jokes I do it this way 1127 00:54:46.869 --> 00:54:49.389 But it's funny how many of them, if you look 1128 00:54:49.429 --> 00:54:51.929 at them 10, 15, 20 years down the road, it 1129 00:54:52.110 --> 00:54:54.159 becomes just them telling their stories. 1130 00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.860 So it's like there's this learning process. 1131 00:54:56.380 --> 00:54:58.059 For a lot of them that are like, okay, I 1132 00:54:58.059 --> 00:55:00.179 have to do this format. I have to do it 1133 00:55:00.260 --> 00:55:03.400 like this. And then eventually they just get so comfortable 1134 00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:06.579 or so good at it that it just becomes, so yesterday. 1135 00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.519 And all of a sudden, you're not doing a bit. 1136 00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:12.019 You really are just telling a story about what happened yesterday. 1137 00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:14.639 You're just making it funny because you're funny. You've gotten 1138 00:55:14.659 --> 00:55:16.039 to the point you're just funny enough. 1139 00:55:16.530 --> 00:55:20.960 Eventually your personality wins. You can't uphold artifice for very long. 1140 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:26.260 And if you can, you're a psychopath. Eventually you stumble 1141 00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:30.039 into the best stage version of you there

is. And 1142 00:55:30.059 --> 00:55:33.099 it comes out naturally. And I did all those things. 1143 00:55:33.179 --> 00:55:35.099 I tried to be like Jake Johansson or I tried 1144 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.340 to be like this guy or try to wear these clothes. 1145 00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:42.210 I fooled around with it a lot. And then I 1146 00:55:42.250 --> 00:55:44.530 eventually just got too tired of trying to lift those 1147 00:55:45.260 --> 00:55:47.360 things and then you know and I was always funny 1148 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.300 and then it just finally it evolves and then and 1149 00:55:50.340 --> 00:55:52.969 it's always evolving you think you're done you think oh 1150 00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.570 I'm like good at this and then you go oh 1151 00:55:56.650 --> 00:55:58.010 I don't like my act and then all of a 1152 00:55:58.010 --> 00:56:00.030 sudden it changes you know it just it's a constant 1153 00:56:00.190 --> 00:56:02.010 it's a constant thing I mean it is for all 1154 00:56:02.070 --> 00:56:04.849 artists I think that really challenge themselves to create new 1155 00:56:04.929 --> 00:56:07.269 art and don't really worry about the results and don't 1156 00:56:07.289 --> 00:56:09.250 worry about whether people like this part as much as 1157 00:56:09.289 --> 00:56:12.550 this part because once people are comparing you to you 1158 00:56:13.170 --> 00:56:13.849 you've already. 1159 00:56:13.650 --> 00:56:15.889 Won Especially if you're in it for the long haul. 1160 00:56:15.929 --> 00:56:18.179 If you're doing any type of art for, you know, 1161 00:56:18.260 --> 00:56:20.500 five years, you can just pin it down and you're done. 1162 00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:23.420 But if you're doing it 20, 30 years, like you 1163 00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:25.940 can't keep doing that unless you find something new and 1164 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.639 interesting to do. And it's, well, I was also wondering, 1165 00:56:29.659 --> 00:56:32.820 you did, you mentioned not trying to get to that 1166 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.360 next level now at all. Like it's not, you're just 1167 00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.760 here for the show. Did you have a point? Cause 1168 00:56:37.780 --> 00:56:40.519 you kind of came right, you came into the scene 1169 00:56:40.579 --> 00:56:43.849 right at that point where everybody was like, okay, so 1170 00:56:43.889 --> 00:56:47.900 I got to get a sitcom. That early 90s became 1171 00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:51.619 just like stand-up's awesome, but it's really just a launching 1172 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:55.780 pad for a movie career, sitcom, all these other things. 1173 00:56:56.659 --> 00:56:58.670 Did you come into it at that point thinking that 1174 00:56:58.730 --> 00:57:00.349 was going to be the next step? 1175 00:57:00.489 --> 00:57:00.630 Mm-hmm. 1176 00:57:00.969 --> 00:57:05.010 Yeah. And I had three development deals with NBC and 1177 00:57:05.429 --> 00:57:08.909 one with CBS and one with HBO. none of it 1178 00:57:08.969 --> 00:57:10.590 ever got made, but it was all. 1179 00:57:10.670 --> 00:57:11.750 A lot of comics had that. 1180 00:57:11.789 --> 00:57:12.829 Right, right. 1181 00:57:12.929 --> 00:57:14.989 And then I just end up on, you know, luckily 1182 00:57:15.030 --> 00:57:17.489 ended up on the staff of Sex and the City 1183 00:57:17.530 --> 00:57:18.110 as a consultant. 1184 00:57:18.349 --> 00:57:18.929 Yeah. 1185 00:57:19.150 --> 00:57:21.070 And that changed my whole world. But yeah, that was 1186 00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.960 the goal because again, there were very few venues for comics. 1187 00:57:24.460 --> 00:57:30.219 So it wasn't like now where you can, there are 1188 00:57:30.260 --> 00:57:34.360 guys that are basically just comedians. I mean, Kyle Kinane... Yeah. 1189 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:36.719 You know, he'll be in something every once in a while, 1190 00:57:36.739 --> 00:57:38.570 but he's not a TV star. He's a comedian. 1191 00:57:38.610 --> 00:57:40.369 I think a lot of that is due to this 1192 00:57:40.489 --> 00:57:42.869 little push from the Internet that like there is a 1193 00:57:42.929 --> 00:57:47.610 comedy scene that is a standalone comedy scene. And the 1194 00:57:47.650 --> 00:57:51.170 comedy fans all kind of interact through the Internet. They 1195 00:57:51.250 --> 00:57:53.349 find the shows that are coming through. Like it is 1196 00:57:53.389 --> 00:57:55.150 a weird little thing that like I think if the 1197 00:57:55.210 --> 00:57:59.730 Internet weren't. so overpowering in our lives, I think the 1198 00:57:59.769 --> 00:58:03.190 comedy boom that's hit lately may not have happened. 1199 00:58:03.590 --> 00:58:04.349 I agree with you. 1200 00:58:04.449 --> 00:58:06.730 It's all like a little fan base that only exists 1201 00:58:06.789 --> 00:58:08.730 in the internet and then occasionally they go out to shows. 1202 00:58:08.869 --> 00:58:12.010 And the comedy community very smartly mimicked the music world 1203 00:58:12.050 --> 00:58:15.230 and said, look, let's have festivals. Yeah. Let's bring these 1204 00:58:15.530 --> 00:58:16.329 assholes here. 1205 00:58:16.349 --> 00:58:17.570 Bring them all together. 1206 00:58:17.789 --> 00:58:20.010 Right. I just got it. And I hadn't gotten asked 1207 00:58:20.030 --> 00:58:21.760 to those things for a while because I was sort 1208 00:58:21.780 --> 00:58:23.320 of not, it was all for the young guys. It's 1209 00:58:23.380 --> 00:58:27.000 also like, It's Favorite Nation, so everybody gets a grand 1210 00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:30.239 to do five shows. You don't go for the money. 1211 00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:32.969 But I just got asked to do Moon Tower, and 1212 00:58:33.010 --> 00:58:35.630 I'm so thrilled that my agents are like, the money's like, 1213 00:58:35.670 --> 00:58:38.329 I don't fucking care. And they're great. My agents have 1214 00:58:38.349 --> 00:58:38.929 been great. 1215 00:58:38.949 --> 00:58:40.869 The status of doing something now. 1216

00:58:41.130 --> 00:58:43.250 And go be with the community. Go be in the 1217 00:58:43.289 --> 00:58:45.429 community and go where those comedy fans are and say 1218 00:58:45.469 --> 00:58:48.030 to them, hey, guys, I don't know if you remember me. 1219 00:58:48.170 --> 00:58:50.590 Most of you probably were 14 when my special came out. 1220 00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:52.920 but I'm still doing this and maybe you'll dig it. 1221 00:58:53.139 --> 00:58:55.179 And I hope you do. And that, that to me is, 1222 00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:58.460 you know, so many, like recently I've had a lot 1223 00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:02.110 of people who were babies and saw me on comedy 1224 00:59:02.139 --> 00:59:05.449 central come to shows and say, and I'm like, why 1225 00:59:05.489 --> 00:59:08.409 would you, that's so weird. I wouldn't, that's so weird 1226 00:59:08.429 --> 00:59:10.360 that you come, but I'm so thrilled that you, still 1227 00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:12.119 think i'm a person you'd want to listen to i 1228 00:59:12.139 --> 00:59:13.280 think it's still that's. 1229 00:59:13.300 --> 00:59:15.760 Right at the point where you're forming your feelings on 1230 00:59:15.860 --> 00:59:18.840 comedy in general just not even stand-up just comedy like 1231 00:59:18.900 --> 00:59:21.070 how you process comedy so there are people that i 1232 00:59:21.110 --> 00:59:24.210 remember being like a teenager and thinking are amazing and 1233 00:59:24.980 --> 00:59:27.199 I still do. Like, even if their act is so 1234 00:59:27.260 --> 00:59:29.280 different or they don't do it anymore, I'm just like, 1235 00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:31.260 I can kind of see, like, yeah, that was what 1236 00:59:31.579 --> 00:59:33.659 brought me to, you know, the stuff I'm into now. 1237 00:59:33.739 --> 00:59:35.059 I had a girl that I'm like, I wanted to 1238 00:59:35.099 --> 00:59:37.599 shout out Cadbury Egg. And I was like, which is 1239 00:59:37.619 --> 00:59:38.719 a bit that I do. And I said, well, you 1240 00:59:38.739 --> 00:59:41.119 should have. I'd have done it. I mean, I would 1241 00:59:41.139 --> 00:59:43.980 have been thrilled. You know what I mean? And then 1242 00:59:44.019 --> 00:59:47.639 she goes, but my boyfriend said, which was very wise. 1243 00:59:47.699 --> 00:59:49.699 He's like, he's doing his new stuff, man. He doesn't 1244 00:59:49.739 --> 00:59:53.889 want to do. And he didn't know anything about me 1245 00:59:53.909 --> 00:59:55.610 until the night before when she showed him clips on 1246 00:59:55.650 --> 00:59:58.030 YouTube to get him to come. And so he already 1247 00:59:58.210 --> 01:00:00.489 in his head was like, well, he's clearly working on 1248 01:00:00.510 --> 01:00:02.190 new stuff. And she's like, I know I just won't 1249 01:00:02.210 --> 01:00:04.309 do it. Don't yell it out. That's heckling. It wouldn't 1250 01:00:04.329 --> 01:00:06.510 be heckling if I yelled that a bit. And I said, no, 1251 01:00:06.550 --> 01:00:08.659 it would be complimentary.

But it was smart of you 1252 01:00:08.699 --> 01:00:10.519 not to. And your boyfriend has really good instincts. And 1253 01:00:10.539 --> 01:00:13.199 that's really cool. but at the same time thrilled that 1254 01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:14.429 you want to hear a bit. And I would have 1255 01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.820 stopped the show and fucking done it because I am 1256 01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:19.440 a puppet. And also my ego would have been so stoked. 1257 01:00:19.460 --> 01:00:21.079 I would have been, Oh, you want to hear Cadbury egg? 1258 01:00:21.380 --> 01:00:22.380 All right, hang on just a minute. 1259 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:24.159 You know my bit because it's that good. 1260 01:00:24.219 --> 01:00:27.079 It's that good. I know. And you know, so I, 1261 01:00:27.579 --> 01:00:30.380 to me it's like, it's kind of an exciting time 1262 01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.360 because I do feel like, um, I, there's a little 1263 01:00:34.380 --> 01:00:38.320 bit of rediscovery for me. Um, I'm rediscovering it and 1264 01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:41.440 people are rediscovering me and, Um, there's a little bit 1265 01:00:41.460 --> 01:00:42.920 of empathy cause I got sick this summer and had 1266 01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:45.059 cancer and then now I'm cancer free, but it was 1267 01:00:45.099 --> 01:00:47.280 a weird rough time. But I think it also just went, 1268 01:00:47.300 --> 01:00:50.849 you know, when you almost lose somebody, then you think, 1269 01:00:50.909 --> 01:00:52.889 Oh fuck, I should go see that guy again. He 1270 01:00:52.949 --> 01:00:55.710 might get cancer again. You don't know. But also that 1271 01:00:55.750 --> 01:00:57.809 thing of like there, they appreciate you. They realize they 1272 01:00:57.829 --> 01:00:58.469 appreciate you. 1273 01:00:58.829 --> 01:01:00.820 Well, I would think, and I guess tell me if 1274 01:01:00.860 --> 01:01:03.880 that's true, it also has to have the opposite effect 1275 01:01:04.219 --> 01:01:08.230 for you. You're like, Oh, I almost lost everything. Now, 1276 01:01:08.349 --> 01:01:10.630 what is it that I love the most? My family, 1277 01:01:10.730 --> 01:01:13.409 my comedy. I would think for you it would be 1278 01:01:13.489 --> 01:01:16.469 renewed like maybe you were bored to hell with it 1279 01:01:16.550 --> 01:01:18.730 five years ago, but now it's like, oh my God, 1280 01:01:18.769 --> 01:01:19.510 this is the greatest thing ever. 1281 01:01:19.570 --> 01:01:22.650 When I went to Australia, so I was in Australia 1282 01:01:22.710 --> 01:01:25.969 on tour when I was diagnosed because I had these 1283 01:01:25.989 --> 01:01:27.809 horrible stomach pains and I went to the emergency and 1284 01:01:27.829 --> 01:01:30.269 they said, you have tumors in your stomach. But I 1285 01:01:31.289 --> 01:01:33.590 was doing a show called I Am The King Sweater, 1286 01:01:33.710 --> 01:01:36.440 which was a one-man show that I wrote about because 1287 01:01:36.460 --> 01:01:38.780 I was so burned out on stand-up that I didn't 1288 01:01:38.820 --> 01:01:40.889 have any new material. I wrote about two years of 1289 01:01:40.909 --> 01:01:43.789 my life that didn't happen. It's about two years I 1290 01:01:43.809 --> 01:01:46.369 spent in Japan as a rockabilly star and a cosmetics icon. 1291 01:01:46.909 --> 01:01:49.989 It's a really absurd, really funny, really cool thing, but 1292 01:01:50.050 --> 01:01:53.449 it wasn't true. But it was based on some truths, 1293 01:01:53.510 --> 01:01:56.670 but mostly fiction, and I really liked it, but I 1294 01:01:56.710 --> 01:01:59.829 was just so burned out on my stand-up, and so 1295 01:01:59.889 --> 01:02:02.610 it was written because I had this tour coming up 1296 01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:06.460 in Australia, and... It was cool, but people didn't completely 1297 01:02:06.500 --> 01:02:07.880 connect with it because they were like, is this true? 1298 01:02:07.900 --> 01:02:09.519 Is this not true? It's weird. 1299 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:12.440 It does make it confusing sometimes when. 1300 01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.099 People have a persona. Yeah, maybe you should just make 1301 01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.280 this a movie. It's a cool idea. Anyway, point being 1302 01:02:17.579 --> 01:02:20.739 that when I went home and I was sick, I 1303 01:02:20.780 --> 01:02:24.570 started thinking, man, I have this gift. You know, not 1304 01:02:24.610 --> 01:02:27.670 everybody gets, you know, everybody gets bestowed a certain handful 1305 01:02:27.690 --> 01:02:29.750 of things, and this is this thing that I can do. 1306 01:02:30.929 --> 01:02:32.369 I'm just going to go do that. I'm just going 1307 01:02:32.389 --> 01:02:34.869 to make it simple again. I've complicated it too much. 1308 01:02:35.539 --> 01:02:37.760 And I'm not going to worry about whether the topics 1309 01:02:37.820 --> 01:02:40.420 are interesting to everybody else. And I'll make some discoveries 1310 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:42.619 along the way, but I'm lucky that I get to 1311 01:02:42.659 --> 01:02:44.440 do this. And I said to my agents, I go, 1312 01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.159 I'm going to be, you know, according to the doctors, 1313 01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:49.400 I should be well by November. Just, I don't care 1314 01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:51.480 where it is. I don't care how much they pay. 1315 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:54.139 As long as I can get there and get back 1316 01:02:54.219 --> 01:02:55.539 and walk home with a little bit of money in 1317 01:02:55.579 --> 01:02:58.599 my pocket, I will go anywhere. And they just started 1318 01:02:58.659 --> 01:03:01.199 throwing clubs at me. You know, they were, it's been great. 1319 01:03:01.420 --> 01:03:04.469 And so, Like here was like, I didn't, you know, 1320 01:03:04.809 --> 01:03:06.829 I didn't know there was a laughing Derby. I didn't, 1321 01:03:07.110 --> 01:03:07.630 I didn't know. 1322 01:03:07.710 --> 01:03:10.510 That building's been there for years. It's been through a 1323

01:03:10.550 --> 01:03:13.760 change in name recently, but yeah, it's been around forever. 1324 01:03:14.139 --> 01:03:17.500 They didn't always get high end acts. Like there was 1325 01:03:17.539 --> 01:03:19.840 a lot of, and for years I didn't pay attention 1326 01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:22.420 to it because it was, it brought in some pretty 1327 01:03:22.619 --> 01:03:25.920 bad comedy. No offense. Back in the day. 1328 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:26.239 Yeah. 1329 01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:29.309 But it is funny that like, there are these little 1330 01:03:29.349 --> 01:03:31.889 places that are, that one's June just been hanging on, 1331 01:03:31.929 --> 01:03:34.769 but I feel like there's so many little towns out 1332 01:03:34.829 --> 01:03:36.809 there in the middle of the country that all of 1333 01:03:36.869 --> 01:03:39.070 a sudden in these last five, six years had this 1334 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:41.119 pocket of comedy fans. 1335 01:03:41.860 --> 01:03:41.980 Yeah. 1336 01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:45.420 They're springing up and they're, they're kind of gaining popularity 1337 01:03:45.460 --> 01:03:48.400 and like it's, it's now making sense for, you know, 1338 01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:50.039 guys like you to go and hit some of these 1339 01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:52.989 little towns that like, Again, would have been a joke 1340 01:03:53.030 --> 01:03:55.010 years ago, but now all of a sudden it's got 1341 01:03:55.030 --> 01:03:57.139 a hardcore fan base that's kind of waiting. 1342 01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:00.800 And I only think people would stay away because they thought, no, 1343 01:04:01.619 --> 01:04:03.500 they might not like me there. I don't know. You 1344 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.820 know what I mean? Like that thing where now you're right. 1345 01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:11.119 It doesn't matter where you go in America, whether it's 1346 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:16.760 the deep, deep south or Alaska, there's comedy fans that 1347 01:04:16.780 --> 01:04:20.480 are there. that love comedy. And so they'll, you're right. 1348 01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:22.559 They'll come out cause they go, well, that guy was 1349 01:04:22.619 --> 01:04:24.280 on TV and that's the best we got here. So 1350 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:26.420 I'm going to go see it. Sometimes that's, you know, 1351 01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.510 it's a, you know, it's not John Mulaney, but it'll do. And, uh, 1352 01:04:30.860 --> 01:04:33.239 and so I feel like, you know, that, that is a, 1353 01:04:33.349 --> 01:04:36.150 that is a plus to the internet thing we were 1354 01:04:36.170 --> 01:04:39.469 talking about before, you know, building communities out of communities 1355 01:04:39.510 --> 01:04:41.690 that weren't there before. People didn't know that they could 1356 01:04:42.610 --> 01:04:47.110 rally around or having access to more comedy. 1357 01:04:47.349 --> 01:04:47.550 Yeah. 1358 01:04:48.099 --> 01:04:49.579 Comedy around the world, you know? 1359 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:54.090 I mean, going into some of the different things you've done, 1360 01:04:54.139 --> 01:04:58.030 you mentioned Sex and the City. Had you done writing before? 1361 01:04:58.090 --> 01:05:00.230 I mean, outside of your own jokes, it's like, had 1362 01:05:00.269 --> 01:05:00.690 you done? 1363 01:05:01.250 --> 01:05:05.190 Not really. I was working on a movie script with 1364 01:05:05.230 --> 01:05:09.349 a buddy, but it was very amateurish. And Michael Patrick 1365 01:05:09.369 --> 01:05:12.510 King was the executive producer. We had done comedy together. 1366 01:05:13.429 --> 01:05:17.010 And he just said, I think you'd be a great fit. 1367 01:05:17.380 --> 01:05:19.300 we need a guy straight guy, but it was also, 1368 01:05:19.820 --> 01:05:23.579 you know, sensitive to women, but is also a very 1369 01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:26.860 much a dude. And, um, and it was just great. 1370 01:05:26.900 --> 01:05:28.610 It was just a killer job. You know, I just 1371 01:05:28.699 --> 01:05:30.110 would come in, you know, it was just a consultant. 1372 01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.449 So I just come in once or twice a week and, 1373 01:05:33.150 --> 01:05:35.409 and they would ask me questions and, you know, what 1374 01:05:35.449 --> 01:05:37.530 was my take on this or that? And then, you know, 1375 01:05:37.550 --> 01:05:39.769 they'd run stuff by me and, or I'd be in on, 1376 01:05:39.789 --> 01:05:43.409 you know, in an overall conversation about soulmates. 1377 01:05:43.010 --> 01:05:48.519 Or, How much did you respond to the finished product? Well, 1378 01:05:48.539 --> 01:05:51.139 you know, I was so hit and miss in watching. 1379 01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:54.119 I don't know. It's like the people that love that 1380 01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:56.519 show love it. And then if you don't, there's not 1381 01:05:56.539 --> 01:05:59.360 much middle ground. It's either like, I don't get this. 1382 01:05:59.739 --> 01:06:02.050 It doesn't speak to me at all, which maybe it 1383 01:06:02.110 --> 01:06:04.070 may be more of a female-male thing, but I don't 1384 01:06:04.090 --> 01:06:06.170 think it needs to be. I think it's more of 1385 01:06:06.429 --> 01:06:08.489 the style of it was just sort of like all 1386 01:06:08.630 --> 01:06:11.090 in or I don't know if that show works for me. 1387 01:06:11.590 --> 01:06:14.449 I feel that way about girls. I feel that way about... 1388 01:06:14.590 --> 01:06:15.949 I mean, I feel that way a little bit about 1389 01:06:15.969 --> 01:06:18.150 Game of Thrones, too. Like, there's just that thing of, like. 1390 01:06:18.190 --> 01:06:19.159 It's all or nothing, yeah. 1391 01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:21.300 Yeah, you kind of got to buy into the idea 1392 01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:26.860 or not. I sort of, like, watched the first season, like, 1393 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.840 with one eye open. Like, oh, okay. Yeah, that may 1394 01:06:29.860 --> 01:06:32.340 be it for me. And then I got there, and 1395 01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:34.889 then

you're inside of it. Yeah. And then you see 1396 01:06:34.909 --> 01:06:37.809 what they're doing, and you think, that's just really pretty smart. 1397 01:06:37.909 --> 01:06:40.090 You know, they've used the sex angle to sort of 1398 01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:42.760 titillate you and get you in there but it's all 1399 01:06:42.780 --> 01:06:45.719 about relationships and yeah and some of it's absurd but 1400 01:06:45.739 --> 01:06:48.920 they're all you know all four women are archetypes and 1401 01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:53.789 it's four female friends that have each other's backs and 1402 01:06:54.190 --> 01:06:56.949 it's you know if you read any camille palia this 1403 01:06:57.090 --> 01:07:00.630 article she wrote today the other day about the um 1404 01:07:01.570 --> 01:07:05.769 girl squads yeah saying you know girl squads are a 1405 01:07:05.789 --> 01:07:11.280 good idea but not as a social platform. It's great 1406 01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:15.769 that women have each other's backs. Men have been doing 1407 01:07:15.809 --> 01:07:19.250 this for years, like an old boys club. There should 1408 01:07:19.269 --> 01:07:21.289 be an old girls club, but it should be focused 1409 01:07:21.349 --> 01:07:24.730 towards doing things. But she even mentions in the article, 1410 01:07:24.789 --> 01:07:26.929 Sex and the City was sort of the beginning of, 1411 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:31.059 and you see it in Pretty Little Liars, which I 1412 01:07:31.099 --> 01:07:33.000 didn't realize until my daughter started watching it, that I 1413 01:07:33.019 --> 01:07:36.590 just got sucked in and I love it. Um, same 1414 01:07:36.690 --> 01:07:40.969 idea for girls. They, even with boyfriends and stuff, they're 1415 01:07:41.010 --> 01:07:44.550 still the most important, especially for women. It's good stuff. 1416 01:07:44.630 --> 01:07:46.510 I think it was good for women in a weird way. 1417 01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:49.679 Do I think some of the, like the puns around 1418 01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.239 the breakfast table couldn't, didn't love it. Didn't love it. 1419 01:07:52.239 --> 01:07:53.519 It was never my favorite thing. 1420 01:07:53.699 --> 01:07:55.980 Did you see your changes going into effect? 1421 01:07:56.059 --> 01:07:59.260 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, they just, 1422 01:07:59.300 --> 01:08:01.719 my point of view, you know, like they were very, 1423 01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:03.800 they took me very seriously and then they would go, Oh, that's, 1424 01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:05.619 you know, And then that's, of course, where the whole 1425 01:08:05.659 --> 01:08:07.360 he's just not that into you thing came was just 1426 01:08:08.179 --> 01:08:10.260 a real conversation about a real girl at work who 1427 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:12.340 was not getting laid by this guy she was going 1428 01:08:12.389 --> 01:08:13.750 out with. He wouldn't have sex with her. And then 1429 01:08:13.789 --> 01:08:16.069 she was like, is that bad? And I was like, yeah, 1430

01:08:16.149 --> 01:08:19.409 it's horrible. And, you know, and then at some point 1431 01:08:19.449 --> 01:08:21.369 I said, he's just not that into you. And my 1432 01:08:21.649 --> 01:08:23.750 Liz Pachillo, who was my partner, was the one who 1433 01:08:23.770 --> 01:08:25.590 really grabbed the phrase. I don't remember saying it, to 1434 01:08:25.609 --> 01:08:27.750 be honest with you. I mean, I do, but I don't. 1435 01:08:28.310 --> 01:08:29.010 I didn't say it. 1436 01:08:29.010 --> 01:08:30.029 Like a light didn't go off. 1437 01:08:30.130 --> 01:08:30.350 At all. 1438 01:08:30.369 --> 01:08:30.970 Wait a minute. 1439 01:08:31.029 --> 01:08:34.800 No, at all. It was just like... He's not that 1440 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:36.340 into you. If he was into you, he would have 1441 01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:38.140 sex with you. I'm telling you as a guy, that's 1442 01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:41.800 how it works. He either likes other... Anyway, the point is... 1443 01:08:42.979 --> 01:08:45.640 So then that became a... But that had happened with 1444 01:08:45.739 --> 01:08:48.819 other conversations. And sometimes, you know, the post-it note thing 1445 01:08:48.850 --> 01:08:52.260 was somebody else... Everything in the show was from people's lives. 1446 01:08:52.260 --> 01:08:55.729 It was very much extracted out of people's lives. So, 1447 01:08:56.149 --> 01:08:59.909 which I think all writing is. And so I think it, well, no, 1448 01:09:00.060 --> 01:09:02.579 I don't, I don't think anyone has ever been an X-Man, 1449 01:09:03.100 --> 01:09:04.420 but you know what I'm saying? 1450 01:09:04.579 --> 01:09:07.640 You say that. I left my costume in the car. 1451 01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:10.619 Hold on. But it's so true. So it is a 1452 01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.699 little bit of like, it is a little bit of a, yeah, 1453 01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:18.220 I had, it was like, it was a cool thing. 1454 01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:19.989 You know, I ended up liking it, but I, Then 1455 01:09:20.029 --> 01:09:23.090 I moved on. Like, I'm a horrible, like, if you're 1456 01:09:23.109 --> 01:09:24.510 a fan and you come up and talk to me 1457 01:09:24.529 --> 01:09:26.590 about the show, I don't remember what you're talking about. 1458 01:09:26.609 --> 01:09:29.500 You don't remember episode 77 or all these other things. 1459 01:09:29.539 --> 01:09:31.199 Yeah, and I can't remember. A lot of times I 1460 01:09:31.220 --> 01:09:35.920 can't remember, you know, like, what episode something was or, 1461 01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:37.680 you know, people will ask me. I can't even remember 1462 01:09:37.699 --> 01:09:38.579 their names sometimes. 1463 01:09:39.819 --> 01:09:41.680 Well, and then you kind of hit that, Eric, going 1464 01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:45.119 from that into your book. And then you had, like, 1465 01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:48.100 shows that they were trying. You kind of became almost self-help. 1466 01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:52.260 Whether you wanted to be or not.

You obviously wanted 1467 01:09:52.279 --> 01:09:52.880 to in the book. 1468 01:09:53.420 --> 01:09:55.880 I absolutely... I mean, none of us thought that what 1469 01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:57.039 happened was going to happen. 1470 01:09:57.180 --> 01:09:57.420 Yeah. 1471 01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:01.880 None of us saw it coming. Liz will say that 1472 01:10:04.340 --> 01:10:05.640 she knew it was going to happen. The girl was 1473 01:10:05.659 --> 01:10:07.720 a co-author because she really thought it was good information. 1474 01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:11.630 But I didn't even want to write the book. But 1475 01:10:11.689 --> 01:10:14.529 I did. And then I was pleased that I did. 1476 01:10:15.029 --> 01:10:19.199 But then after Oprah... It was like being anointed something. 1477 01:10:20.100 --> 01:10:21.560 You don't go on there to just have a chat. 1478 01:10:21.590 --> 01:10:23.670 You go on there to be anointed. I mean, she 1479 01:10:23.829 --> 01:10:27.130 spent an hour with us. People are like, oh, you 1480 01:10:27.149 --> 01:10:28.710 were in her book club. No, no, no, no, no. 1481 01:10:28.989 --> 01:10:30.970 Book club's at the end of the show. We were 1482 01:10:31.270 --> 01:10:34.699 on the show as an expert telling people about their relationships. 1483 01:10:35.300 --> 01:10:39.380 And everybody just went, oh, shit, this is great. This 1484 01:10:39.420 --> 01:10:43.029 guy's hilarious. And he's telling women that their lives are 1485 01:10:43.069 --> 01:10:45.090 horrible and he has no problem doing it. 1486 01:10:45.729 --> 01:10:47.909 That's kind of a jerky way to look at it. Yeah. 1487 01:10:47.970 --> 01:10:51.609 And he's relatively okay looking. I don't know what those 1488 01:10:51.689 --> 01:10:54.090 earrings are about or that Brian Setzer haircut, but we 1489 01:10:54.130 --> 01:10:56.680 can work with that. Let's give him a show. So, 1490 01:10:56.770 --> 01:11:01.460 I mean, there was, you know, everybody thought, okay. And 1491 01:11:04.220 --> 01:11:06.880 I always tell people this. As soon as I got 1492 01:11:06.939 --> 01:11:09.720 upstairs after the first Oprah, my first thought was, because 1493 01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:13.130 it just Everybody, before it even aired, everyone was like, 1494 01:11:13.170 --> 01:11:16.729 that was out of the ballpark, dude. And something happened. 1495 01:11:16.810 --> 01:11:18.039 And I could feel it when we were doing it. 1496 01:11:18.109 --> 01:11:20.680 I was like, this is so wild. But then I 1497 01:11:20.810 --> 01:11:22.600 went upstairs to my hotel room with my wife and 1498 01:11:22.619 --> 01:11:25.159 I go, what did I just do to my stand-up career? 1499 01:11:25.180 --> 01:11:29.600 And it did really kind of change it because I 1500 01:11:29.619 --> 01:11:35.840 didn't have a Twitter feed or a Facebook page or 1501 01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:39.449 a blog or anything to address... hey, I do this, 1502 01:11:39.510 --> 01:11:41.350 but I still do this, and I'm also this. You know, 1503 01:11:41.770 --> 01:11:45.250 Aziz wrote a relationship book, and then he does a TV, 1504 01:11:45.270 --> 01:11:52.779 you know, you know, you know, Donald Glover is Childish Gambino, and, right, like, 1505 01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:56.060 you can be so many things now, and people can 1506 01:11:56.100 --> 01:11:58.260 take you in whatever parcel they like. 1507 01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:00.979 Just starting to be, you know, like, in these last 1508 01:12:00.979 --> 01:12:04.119 10 years, like, I don't think, like, going back, like, 1509 01:12:04.350 --> 01:12:08.470 people didn't do that in the industry, in any industry, rarely, like, 1510 01:12:09.069 --> 01:12:09.789 It was a fight. 1511 01:12:09.810 --> 01:12:12.710 I mean, when you think back when, like, actors would 1512 01:12:12.729 --> 01:12:13.350 try to put out an. 1513 01:12:13.510 --> 01:12:15.390 Album, people would laugh at it. 1514 01:12:15.670 --> 01:12:16.090 Oh, yeah. 1515 01:12:16.109 --> 01:12:17.930 Go back to, like, the Eddie Murphy album. 1516 01:12:17.970 --> 01:12:19.899 Like, people thought it was a joke. 1517 01:12:19.909 --> 01:12:20.689 Oh, fuck, yeah, dude. 1518 01:12:20.770 --> 01:12:23.560 And, like, that's not that long ago. But you look at, like, 1519 01:12:23.619 --> 01:12:27.800 that 2000s era changed everything. And, like, now people, not 1520 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:30.329 only can you do anything. you kind of have to 1521 01:12:30.369 --> 01:12:30.949 do more than. 1522 01:12:30.909 --> 01:12:32.890 One thing to survive. You kind of have to. I mean, 1523 01:12:32.909 --> 01:12:35.149 you kind of have to. I mean, you look at somebody, 1524 01:12:35.329 --> 01:12:38.470 and I think, you know, now that I look back 1525 01:12:38.550 --> 01:12:41.569 and I look at somebody like Patton who came to L.A. 1526 01:12:41.970 --> 01:12:44.939 and set himself up as a writer and wanted to 1527 01:12:44.979 --> 01:12:48.380 be a comedian and got a job as an actor and, like, 1528 01:12:48.819 --> 01:12:51.340 he was constantly in and out of those things. And 1529 01:12:51.979 --> 01:12:55.460 I think I just got so white hot before my 1530 01:12:55.520 --> 01:12:59.430 stand-up star had risen at all. that that's what people. 1531 01:12:59.270 --> 01:13:01.439 Knew me as sidetracked what you were trying to do. 1532 01:13:01.500 --> 01:13:04.399 Yeah. And in a very myopic way, it was like, 1533 01:13:04.579 --> 01:13:07.979 once that was over, people were done with me. And, 1534 01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:10.800 and that is the reality of show business. And it's 1535 01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:15.569 the reality of the world. And I don't, I, you know, I, I, 1536 01:13:15.909 --> 01:13:18.029 I have regrets, not about it happening about the way 1537 01:13:18.069 --> 01:13:20.829 I handled it. You know, I also got very depressed 1538 01:13:20.890 --> 01:13:23.069 afterwards because I didn't know what to do. I didn't 1539 01:13:23.090 --> 01:13:25.069 know how to change the game.

And, When I'd go 1540 01:13:25.100 --> 01:13:26.859 do stand-up, it would just be rooms full of women 1541 01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:29.319 that were coming to hear about the book. And stand-up 1542 01:13:29.340 --> 01:13:31.579 people had abandoned me. Yeah, that's a totally different thing. 1543 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:33.180 And so it was just this weird thing. And so 1544 01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:37.430 I'm just now building that stuff back up again. I'm 1545 01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:39.369 not asking anyone to feel sorry for me at all. 1546 01:13:39.609 --> 01:13:42.649 I'm just saying, you know, you're on this path and 1547 01:13:42.689 --> 01:13:45.329 then you get this other thing. And I didn't know 1548 01:13:46.630 --> 01:13:51.600 how to turn it down because once everything happened, like, 1549 01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:55.119 I was only going to get a talk show or nothing. 1550 01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:55.560 Yeah. 1551 01:13:55.739 --> 01:13:57.659 But nobody was going to give me, you know, so 1552 01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:00.010 I was like, well, maybe I can make something cool 1553 01:14:00.050 --> 01:14:01.729 out of the talk show or maybe it can be 1554 01:14:01.750 --> 01:14:04.239 a horrible nightmare. Either way, I'll do it. 1555 01:14:04.869 --> 01:14:07.189 And, uh, try that kind of stuff. 1556 01:14:07.289 --> 01:14:07.829 Of course you do. 1557 01:14:07.829 --> 01:14:10.229 When it's presented to you, it's like, you may never 1558 01:14:10.430 --> 01:14:13.170 see this opportunity again. I don't know. I think that's, 1559 01:14:13.210 --> 01:14:15.069 what's kind of cool about your career is each time 1560 01:14:15.100 --> 01:14:18.619 you're like, this isn't my thing, but I'm going to 1561 01:14:18.659 --> 01:14:20.800 make it work. It's like, kind of like when they 1562 01:14:20.819 --> 01:14:23.220 made the movie out of your book, it's like, Hearing 1563 01:14:23.260 --> 01:14:25.609 you talk about the movie, like, that's not my movie. 1564 01:14:25.689 --> 01:14:28.770 I wrote this book. It's nice that they made a movie, but, like, 1565 01:14:28.810 --> 01:14:31.189 I don't know. That response to it I always thought 1566 01:14:31.229 --> 01:14:31.930 was really cool. 1567 01:14:32.390 --> 01:14:35.520 Yeah, well, I mean, it was, you know, again, I 1568 01:14:35.569 --> 01:14:39.220 also felt like at the time I got this giant 1569 01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:42.119 gift box for saying this thing. I had a hit 1570 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:44.239 book and four things on Oprah, and they're going to 1571 01:14:44.260 --> 01:14:46.579 make a movie out of it? And they said, you 1572 01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:48.739 and Liz can have a shot at the script. So 1573 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:50.640 we wrote a script and they threw it out. And 1574 01:14:50.659 --> 01:14:53.579 that's the way it goes. And I was like ambivalent 1575 01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:55.100 about it. I was like, fuck, make a cowboy movie. 1576 01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:55.739 I don't give a

shit. 1577 01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:58.920 They still paid me to write the script, right? That's right. 1578 01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:00.720 They paid me and my name's on the thing and 1579 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:03.060 it's story by and based on a book by and whatever, blah, blah. 1580 01:15:03.460 --> 01:15:06.600 And then they wrote a movie that I was fine with. 1581 01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:12.319 I didn't, it wasn't, it didn't, it completely nullifies the 1582 01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:15.460 book at the end. It completely goes against everything we've 1583 01:15:15.539 --> 01:15:16.800 said for the whole time. 1584 01:15:17.180 --> 01:15:19.239 The Hollywood happy ending still has to win. 1585 01:15:19.260 --> 01:15:23.640 That's right. Well, because their version of a happy ending 1586 01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:28.890 was somebody being together with somebody. Yeah, that's the traditional way. 1587 01:15:29.090 --> 01:15:31.449 And what they could have done in just like three 1588 01:15:31.470 --> 01:15:33.470 or four words is have her say to Justin Long 1589 01:15:33.489 --> 01:15:37.029 at the end of the movie, this is great, but 1590 01:15:37.069 --> 01:15:39.689 it's horse shit. Come back and do this for the 1591 01:15:39.729 --> 01:15:41.510 next 50 days and maybe I'll go on a date 1592 01:15:41.550 --> 01:15:44.420 with you. You know? And then shut the door and 1593 01:15:44.460 --> 01:15:46.880 have that, like, I'm in control. I won the thing. 1594 01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:49.800 I make the decisions about my self-esteem. I don't turn 1595 01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:52.500 it over to a dude. That being said, who gives 1596 01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:56.420 a fuck? They made a movie. Some of the people 1597 01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:59.100 in that movie are legends. They're going to grow up 1598 01:15:59.140 --> 01:16:03.149 to be legends, right? Scarlett Johansson, Ben Affleck, Bradley Cooper. 1599 01:16:03.659 --> 01:16:06.689 And they're in a movie you wrote, in quotation marks. 1600 01:16:06.729 --> 01:16:09.970 Yeah, based on a thing. Like, Jennifer Aniston, you know... 1601 01:16:13.189 --> 01:16:21.060 So it was cool and fun. And there wasn't even 1602 01:16:21.109 --> 01:16:25.020 any blowback because it was a self-help book. There wasn't 1603 01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:25.739 going to be any blowback. 1604 01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:28.000 It's hard to blame anybody. It's when they made the 1605 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:30.649 what to expect when you're expecting movie. I'm like, how 1606 01:16:30.659 --> 01:16:33.210 do you make that? Obviously, it's not the book. 1607 01:16:33.250 --> 01:16:34.250 That's ridiculous. 1608 01:16:34.350 --> 01:16:37.609 So it is. It's weird the things studios will try 1609 01:16:37.689 --> 01:16:40.699 just based on name recognition, which is, I'm sure, how 1610 01:16:40.779 --> 01:16:43.340 your movie came about. It was like, this is really popular. 1611 01:16:43.380 --> 01:16:45.859 People like this title. Let's make it a movie. Like, 1612 01:16:45.899 --> 01:16:48.750 you know, it's just them marketing for the sake of marketing, 1613 01:16:48.789 --> 01:16:49.130 you know? 1614 01:16:49.229 --> 01:16:49.750 Yeah, and. 1615 01:16:52.430 --> 01:16:54.590 And I don't know that the book, if it came 1616 01:16:54.649 --> 01:16:57.010 out now, would hit like it did. And I don't 1617 01:16:57.090 --> 01:17:01.310 know that there would be a movie. I think we 1618 01:17:01.329 --> 01:17:03.090 went on Oprah the week after she gave away all 1619 01:17:03.130 --> 01:17:06.210 the cars. Her viewership couldn't have been higher. It was 1620 01:17:06.250 --> 01:17:10.130 just so many events came together. And I don't regret 1621 01:17:10.170 --> 01:17:12.189 a word of it. And I don't regret the fact 1622 01:17:12.250 --> 01:17:15.800 that there are women who were in really shitty jobs. 1623 01:17:17.430 --> 01:17:21.939 you know, even verging on or actually abusive relationships who 1624 01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:24.619 read that book and got themselves out of a mess. Like, 1625 01:17:24.659 --> 01:17:28.159 to me, it's like, you know, that was the overall 1626 01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:29.460 goal in the first place. 1627 01:17:29.779 --> 01:17:31.479 If it's positive, it's positive. 1628 01:17:31.500 --> 01:17:34.090 Yeah. Certainly there were people that hated the book. I 1629 01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:36.569 think what made them upset was I didn't care. You know, 1630 01:17:36.590 --> 01:17:37.789 they would go, I don't like your book. I'm like, 1631 01:17:37.869 --> 01:17:40.300 I don't care. I'm in a band. Like, I... don't 1632 01:17:40.340 --> 01:17:40.680 like it. 1633 01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:41.880 Six other things I'm doing. 1634 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:42.840 That's one of them. 1635 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:43.550 Don't like it. 1636 01:17:43.579 --> 01:17:46.500 Yeah. That's the book says it's my opinion. It's not, 1637 01:17:46.899 --> 01:17:48.880 it's not doctrine. I didn't, you know what I mean? 1638 01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:52.079 This isn't being put, this isn't being enacted into law. 1639 01:17:52.199 --> 01:17:52.420 Yeah. 1640 01:17:52.579 --> 01:17:55.399 You know, it's just, uh, it's just my feelings about, um, 1641 01:17:56.579 --> 01:17:59.979 how you, how you maintain your self esteem and do 1642 01:18:00.020 --> 01:18:03.420 what's right for you. Um, and, and so it was cool. 1643 01:18:03.460 --> 01:18:05.590 I mean, it was an adventure and I'm, uh, and 1644 01:18:05.649 --> 01:18:07.560 I was excited to have it and I'm glad it's over. 1645 01:18:08.430 --> 01:18:10.090 You know, kind of. I mean, we still write books, 1646 01:18:10.189 --> 01:18:11.100 but we do it. 1647 01:18:11.210 --> 01:18:13.510 It gives you a chance to escape from all that 1648 01:18:13.729 --> 01:18:16.310 and go into a new direction, which you're kind of 1649 01:18:16.329 --> 01:18:16.909 doing with stand-up. 1650 01:18:16.949 --> 01:18:19.310 Well, and I always liked this. Like, once I

found 1651 01:18:19.350 --> 01:18:21.710 stand-up and was doing it, like, even though music was 1652 01:18:21.750 --> 01:18:23.210 my favorite thing, I think it was my favorite thing 1653 01:18:23.229 --> 01:18:25.020 because I didn't do it for a living. and I 1654 01:18:25.060 --> 01:18:27.100 could just do whatever. Like if I made music, I 1655 01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:28.239 could make music that was complete. 1656 01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:30.600 It was an escape, which is what that kind of 1657 01:18:30.619 --> 01:18:31.020 stuff is. 1658 01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:33.140 It didn't have to be commercial and I didn't have 1659 01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:34.380 to make a living with it and I didn't have 1660 01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:39.140 to hang my daughter's future on it. But comedy is 1661 01:18:39.180 --> 01:18:43.609 something that does both things. It helps pay my bills 1662 01:18:43.649 --> 01:18:48.470 and then it also fulfills a thing for me. And and, uh, 1663 01:18:48.710 --> 01:18:50.670 and I, I always was really comfortable with that. I 1664 01:18:50.689 --> 01:18:53.399 always liked that and I love it now, you know? 1665 01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:57.659 And are you looking to continue movies if that's an option? 1666 01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:00.000 I mean, I guess it's always, once again, if it 1667 01:19:00.020 --> 01:19:00.699 presents itself. 1668 01:19:00.739 --> 01:19:00.979 Yeah. 1669 01:19:01.140 --> 01:19:04.270 I mean, the second book went into development for a 1670 01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:08.010 film and nothing ever happened. And then, um, Um, but, 1671 01:19:08.409 --> 01:19:10.869 but as far as writing goes, I have a writing 1672 01:19:10.930 --> 01:19:13.609 partner that I met earlier last or I bet last 1673 01:19:13.649 --> 01:19:17.409 year actually. And we're working to, we're trying to write 1674 01:19:17.430 --> 01:19:19.329 a series. So we're trying to get something on one 1675 01:19:19.350 --> 01:19:22.050 of the, I don't know, YouTube. Who knows? I don't care. 1676 01:19:22.069 --> 01:19:24.670 Anyone will give us some money. Yeah. I mean, it's 1677 01:19:24.729 --> 01:19:25.930 a very, very specific. 1678 01:19:26.250 --> 01:19:28.750 Um, avenue. You can get it out there now. If 1679 01:19:28.789 --> 01:19:29.670 it works, it works. 1680 01:19:30.750 --> 01:19:33.479 Yeah, no, and I think there's more opportunities. So we've 1681 01:19:33.489 --> 01:19:36.640 written a very, very specific script about a very specific topic, 1682 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:41.279 which is feminism. So it's not going to be for everybody, 1683 01:19:41.300 --> 01:19:45.000 but it's an area that hasn't been explored. The idea 1684 01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:51.550 is it's about an all-female Huffington Post, like a very strident, 1685 01:19:51.989 --> 01:19:57.149 sort of almost 90s, a little bit lost in their dogma, feminists. 1686 01:19:57.789 --> 01:20:00.470 who get purchased by a larger conglomerate, and they try 1687 01:20:00.529 --> 01:20:03.670 and scrub the wool off them. And so it's a 1688 01:20:03.689 --> 01:20:04.350 workplace comedy. 1689 01:20:04.369 --> 01:20:05.189 That's a lot to deal with. 1690 01:20:05.270 --> 01:20:08.590 It's a workplace comedy with women, all women, feminist women, 1691 01:20:08.630 --> 01:20:10.850 trying to define what feminism is, which is that great 1692 01:20:10.909 --> 01:20:14.310 conversation that we're all having now because of Taylor Swift 1693 01:20:14.350 --> 01:20:17.439 and Camille Paglia and the Bikini Girls are still around. 1694 01:20:17.460 --> 01:20:19.819 You know what I mean? And there's so many feminists around, 1695 01:20:19.859 --> 01:20:21.279 and there's so many different ideas about what it means. 1696 01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:23.720 And then men say they're feminists, and then women get upset, 1697 01:20:23.779 --> 01:20:27.739 and then you're like... It's really just a very simple concept. 1698 01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:30.560 It's just equality. Do you believe in equality for women? 1699 01:20:30.659 --> 01:20:33.250 I do. Cross the board. Let them have it. In fact, 1700 01:20:33.270 --> 01:20:35.229 they can have some of the sports. Have all of them. 1701 01:20:35.250 --> 01:20:37.250 I don't care. Let them have MMA. I don't care. 1702 01:20:37.909 --> 01:20:45.069 I just think they are deserved and owed the right 1703 01:20:45.170 --> 01:20:48.270 to be equals, period. Then that's the end of the 1704 01:20:48.310 --> 01:20:50.770 conversation for me. It's such a huge. 1705 01:20:51.289 --> 01:20:54.420 topic with so many different avenues because it's so much 1706 01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:57.460 stuff that's just been ignored for generations. 1707 01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.340 Exactly. But also people use it as an agenda or 1708 01:21:00.380 --> 01:21:01.840 a brand. 1709 01:21:02.140 --> 01:21:04.699 That 70s version became a brand that I think still 1710 01:21:04.739 --> 01:21:08.989 has a stigma that guys don't want to... It's such 1711 01:21:09.210 --> 01:21:12.310 a thing that guys don't want to be associated with usually. 1712 01:21:12.819 --> 01:21:15.560 Because it's got that weird 70s brand to it where 1713 01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:19.180 I think the modern version of feminism is very different. 1714 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:19.619 Yes. 1715 01:21:19.779 --> 01:21:21.890 And it's something that everybody should be on board with, 1716 01:21:21.939 --> 01:21:25.350 not just women. But, yeah, trying to convince everyone of 1717 01:21:25.390 --> 01:21:26.430 that is a different story. 1718 01:21:26.649 --> 01:21:29.550 Right. And I think... But then there's those things where 1719 01:21:29.569 --> 01:21:32.550 it goes... You know, like, suddenly someone told me the 1720 01:21:32.569 --> 01:21:35.250 other day that, like, friend zone is, like, now considered 1721 01:21:35.310 --> 01:21:39.229 an offensive... Oh, God. An offensive thing because getting out 1722 01:21:39.270 --> 01:21:40.920 of the friend zone means that why can't we

just 1723 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:45.300 be friends? It's like... Because... The concept of friend zone 1724 01:21:45.460 --> 01:21:47.329 is I have a crush on you and I don't 1725 01:21:47.369 --> 01:21:50.170 want to just be your friend. Everyone goes through that. 1726 01:21:50.270 --> 01:21:54.069 Don't fucking politicize something that it's just so funny and 1727 01:21:54.170 --> 01:21:58.229 cute and like real and real. People get shoved into 1728 01:21:58.270 --> 01:22:00.399 the friend zone and they don't want to be. 1729 01:22:00.500 --> 01:22:01.960 And it ruins your relationship. 1730 01:22:01.979 --> 01:22:04.619 But I don't think it doesn't lead to rape. 1731 01:22:04.979 --> 01:22:05.180 No. 1732 01:22:05.220 --> 01:22:07.800 Like it's that thing of like they draw these conclusions 1733 01:22:07.859 --> 01:22:10.000 of like, well, that's just somebody setting a boundary. What 1734 01:22:10.020 --> 01:22:12.119 the fuck? I know it's somebody setting a boundary. And 1735 01:22:12.140 --> 01:22:14.260 usually that boundary isn't crossed. That's why the person's aware 1736 01:22:14.300 --> 01:22:17.590 that they're a friend. We get so, that's one of 1737 01:22:17.609 --> 01:22:19.800 the things that's, again, bad about the internet is this 1738 01:22:19.939 --> 01:22:26.420 hyper-awareness and this breaking down of things that are mostly meaningless. 1739 01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:31.090 And I think we send such mixed messages. Again, in 1740 01:22:31.130 --> 01:22:33.590 the news feed, we have nothing but people ranting about 1741 01:22:33.630 --> 01:22:38.890 this ultra-progressive version. But then when you watch, every romantic 1742 01:22:38.930 --> 01:22:41.850 comedy is about somebody stuck in the friend zone. And 1743 01:22:41.899 --> 01:22:44.880 the ideal version of it coming together as a happy 1744 01:22:44.939 --> 01:22:47.199 ending is they decide they don't just want to be friends. 1745 01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:51.300 So it's like we have this really romanticized Hollywood version of, 1746 01:22:51.380 --> 01:22:54.119 you know, this stuff. And then we're trying to make 1747 01:22:54.180 --> 01:22:57.310 these social changes that are completely opposite. But we want 1748 01:22:57.329 --> 01:23:00.189 to hold on to this old version as well. Like, 1749 01:23:00.210 --> 01:23:01.210 it's really weird. 1750 01:23:01.430 --> 01:23:08.869 Well, because one of them is the desire to maintain 1751 01:23:08.909 --> 01:23:11.689 the idea of hope. Yeah. You know, people love to 1752 01:23:11.729 --> 01:23:13.949 cling on to hope and everybody likes to think that 1753 01:23:13.989 --> 01:23:15.710 the team's going to come from behind and that the 1754 01:23:15.750 --> 01:23:18.439 guy's going to get the girl and, you know, that 1755 01:23:18.460 --> 01:23:20.380 they're going to save, they're going to blow up the 1756 01:23:20.420 --> 01:23:22.659 Death Star. Like, everybody wants, we all know what we're 1757 01:23:22.699 --> 01:23:25.100 going into. 90% of the time when we go to 1758 01:23:25.119 --> 01:23:26.760 a movie, we all know what we're going into. 1759 01:23:26.859 --> 01:23:27.100 Yeah. 1760 01:23:27.260 --> 01:23:32.310 We want Damon to come home. Come home, Matt Damon. Oh, 1761 01:23:32.350 --> 01:23:36.159 my God. Science the shit out of it. But we 1762 01:23:36.220 --> 01:23:40.760 want that. We want to be told that things can 1763 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:43.939 work out. It doesn't necessarily mean that because that guy 1764 01:23:43.979 --> 01:23:45.739 got that girl that that's what you want. You just 1765 01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:49.180 want to know that life can be fair or that 1766 01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:53.109 something good could happen to you or something could change 1767 01:23:53.170 --> 01:23:56.329 or that change is possible. That's all that is. The 1768 01:23:56.390 --> 01:24:00.090 other thing is if I delude myself, then I'm fucked. 1769 01:24:00.569 --> 01:24:04.449 So here's the reality of what you're saying. And you're like, okay, pragmatist, 1770 01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:06.609 I get it. But at the same time now you've 1771 01:24:06.649 --> 01:24:12.399 taken all the fun out of everything and also overthought 1772 01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:15.659 it to the point of making it politicized. And also 1773 01:24:15.739 --> 01:24:18.100 now you're hitting me with an agenda that now I 1774 01:24:18.140 --> 01:24:21.539 have to behave in a certain way per your prescription. Yeah. 1775 01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:23.539 And I don't want to. 1776 01:24:23.579 --> 01:24:26.199 Well, and it's all so complicated. Like there's so many 1777 01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:30.260 little weird dynamics that go involved into all of this. 1778 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:33.880 and yet you can't set one standard, like, okay, this 1779 01:24:33.939 --> 01:24:37.250 is it. We're stamping this is how things go when 1780 01:24:37.270 --> 01:24:40.529 there's all these other, especially when emotions are involved in it. 1781 01:24:40.590 --> 01:24:44.090 It's like you can't set a rule and then turn 1782 01:24:44.130 --> 01:24:45.449 off your emotions because of it. 1783 01:24:45.890 --> 01:24:49.569 Our whole thing starts with, in our pilot, at least 1784 01:24:49.770 --> 01:24:53.699 right now, it starts with comedians and rape jokes because 1785 01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:55.859 that was the big thing, even though we acknowledge that 1786 01:24:55.880 --> 01:25:00.069 the topic is from 2012. Yeah. But that idea of like, 1787 01:25:00.289 --> 01:25:02.020 you're never going to settle this conversation, by the way. 1788 01:25:02.029 --> 01:25:04.210 You can keep having it. But the fact of the 1789 01:25:04.250 --> 01:25:06.970 matter is that you don't ever want to censor anybody's 1790 01:25:07.010 --> 01:25:09.229 comedy because you don't know where they're coming from. And 1791 01:25:09.270 --> 01:25:12.189 at the same time, you as a fucking comedian have 1792 01:25:12.210 --> 01:25:13.989 to decide

whether those are the words you want to use. 1793 01:25:14.550 --> 01:25:18.939 And now, just know, you don't have to behave accordingly, 1794 01:25:19.460 --> 01:25:23.180 just know that some people are hurt. That's all. It's 1795 01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:25.659 like when somebody finally said, you know, we don't like tranny. 1796 01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:30.630 Fair enough. I don't need to say tranny if that 1797 01:25:30.670 --> 01:25:35.600 hurts your feelings. Transgender is fantastic. That's fine. I'm not 1798 01:25:35.609 --> 01:25:37.880 going to hang on to that. I don't feel censored. 1799 01:25:38.060 --> 01:25:40.399 I feel sensitive. So there's times where I go, I 1800 01:25:40.420 --> 01:25:44.000 don't want to hurt your feelings. 1801 01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:47.470 Because that's the thing. Sometimes it's not about changing everything. 1802 01:25:47.550 --> 01:25:50.710 It's just readjusting the way that you look at it 1803 01:25:50.810 --> 01:25:52.770 or the way that you present it to other people. 1804 01:25:52.789 --> 01:25:52.970 Yeah. 1805 01:25:53.779 --> 01:25:55.460 A lot of that stuff, I feel like we get 1806 01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:59.939 so specific about like sometimes just terminology when it's like 1807 01:26:00.140 --> 01:26:02.600 if you're still telling the story you want to tell, 1808 01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:05.939 you're not changing anything except that one word. You know, 1809 01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:06.359 it's like. 1810 01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:06.680 Right. 1811 01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:09.050 It was that same thing like Seinfeld got into trouble 1812 01:26:09.090 --> 01:26:11.890 with that, like trying to tell the same gay jokes 1813 01:26:11.930 --> 01:26:14.890 he was in the 90s now. And I'm like, that's 1814 01:26:14.930 --> 01:26:16.909 a whole different world. And I'm like, it's not that 1815 01:26:16.949 --> 01:26:20.090 you can't tell jokes about that kind of stuff. you 1816 01:26:20.130 --> 01:26:22.430 just have to do it in a more sensitive manner. 1817 01:26:22.489 --> 01:26:26.210 Like you have to approach it from a more open-minded viewpoint. 1818 01:26:26.289 --> 01:26:28.310 And he was still trying to like stand on that 1819 01:26:28.390 --> 01:26:30.689 rock of like, nope, I want to say the same 1820 01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:32.340 things I said when I was on TV. 1821 01:26:32.420 --> 01:26:34.199 And that was one of those I felt. 1822 01:26:34.060 --> 01:26:37.039 Like he was just so, he was showing what an 1823 01:26:37.100 --> 01:26:39.060 old man he had become. It's like he does not 1824 01:26:39.100 --> 01:26:39.479 want to. 1825 01:26:39.500 --> 01:26:42.180 The world changes underneath your feet and you have to 1826 01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:44.720 catch up. And if I look back at myself as 1827 01:26:44.760 --> 01:26:47.520 a young, young, young man, I'm like, well, I was 1828 01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:50.739 homophobic and racist and, As a liberal. 1829 01:26:51.140 --> 01:26:51.420 Yeah. 1830 01:26:51.859 --> 01:26:52.680 It was a. 1831 01:26:52.659 --> 01:26:53.260 Very different world. 1832 01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:55.359 Because I didn't have a greater understanding, and I thought 1833 01:26:55.479 --> 01:27:00.930 mimicking gay people was funny, and I had the idea 1834 01:27:01.029 --> 01:27:04.470 that gay sex would be a punchline, even though I 1835 01:27:04.510 --> 01:27:05.460 was okay with gay sex. 1836 01:27:05.529 --> 01:27:06.029 It literally was. 1837 01:27:06.050 --> 01:27:07.050 But I knew I could get a laugh. 1838 01:27:07.710 --> 01:27:10.350 80s and 90s, it was. That was the joke you 1839 01:27:10.390 --> 01:27:12.270 were telling a lot of times. 1840 01:27:12.350 --> 01:27:15.439 Yeah, and then you learn, and then you go, wait, 1841 01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:18.060 this is hurtful. Not going to do it anymore. I 1842 01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:21.560 don't want to hurt people. I'm not divisive. And I'm 1843 01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:25.739 not so fucking stupid that I'm like, don't you censor me. 1844 01:27:26.180 --> 01:27:28.510 It's like you're saying something to me because you think 1845 01:27:28.609 --> 01:27:31.890 maybe I need to know. I'm going to stick with 1846 01:27:31.930 --> 01:27:33.310 friend zone. 1847 01:27:33.449 --> 01:27:37.409 Well, again, it's not like you can't tell those jokes. 1848 01:27:37.470 --> 01:27:40.319 You can. Just find a better way to do it. 1849 01:27:40.539 --> 01:27:43.619 It's like lazy comics. The joke is me saying this 1850 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:44.380 offensive word. 1851 01:27:45.130 --> 01:27:46.829 No, it might be for you. 1852 01:27:46.989 --> 01:27:49.649 For a better comic, the joke is finding what's funny 1853 01:27:49.670 --> 01:27:52.289 in the situation and finding a better way to deliver 1854 01:27:52.329 --> 01:27:52.989 it to people. 1855 01:27:53.090 --> 01:27:58.170 That's right. Yeah. That's right. And I'm still evolving, and 1856 01:27:58.189 --> 01:28:01.069 I think so many people are still evolving as comics, 1857 01:28:01.180 --> 01:28:05.779 but because, you know, but then there's things that, you know. 1858 01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:09.529 Social justice warrior. That's a word used by the right 1859 01:28:09.590 --> 01:28:11.430 to diminish. Oh, fucking shut up. 1860 01:28:11.489 --> 01:28:12.909 Sometimes these are just buzzwords. 1861 01:28:12.930 --> 01:28:13.909 They're just buzzwords. 1862 01:28:13.970 --> 01:28:15.350 I'm just sick of them for the sake of being 1863 01:28:15.409 --> 01:28:17.470 sick of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1864 01:28:17.489 --> 01:28:20.619 People are just silly. So it's fun sometimes just to 1865 01:28:22.659 --> 01:28:24.199 make fun of that stuff. That's why we wanted to 1866 01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:26.579 do this show. We wanted to talk about all of 1867 01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:28.479 those things in the context of women, and we want 1868 01:28:28.500 --> 01:28:29.819 to be able to make fun of it, but also 1869 01:28:30.850 -->

01:28:33.010 put some understanding to it so that you could sort 1870 01:28:33.050 --> 01:28:34.539 of see where it's coming from and decide what are 1871 01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:36.270 the fights worth fighting, which ones aren't, and how is, 1872 01:28:36.369 --> 01:28:38.949 what is the evolution of this? Because it, to me, 1873 01:28:38.970 --> 01:28:41.909 that's an interesting world. And, and also I watch it 1874 01:28:41.949 --> 01:28:45.119 on my Twitter feed and I laugh, you know, but 1875 01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:47.659 then I also have to go, well, but Taylor Swift 1876 01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:49.880 is actually considered a feminist. So that's the world we're 1877 01:28:49.899 --> 01:28:52.659 living in. So And then Camille Paglia sort of makes 1878 01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:54.670 sense of it. And I go, OK, I get that. 1879 01:28:54.710 --> 01:28:57.109 But Camille Paglia is also a little crazy. But anyway, 1880 01:28:57.409 --> 01:29:01.729 it's it's they're definitely interesting times, you know. 1881 01:29:01.909 --> 01:29:06.119 And amazing strides have been made. You look at things 1882 01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:08.479 that Taylor Swift does now and I'm like, she is 1883 01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:14.289 commanding this multimillion dollar career completely herself. doing whatever the 1884 01:29:14.329 --> 01:29:16.670 hell she wants to do it's like it it is 1885 01:29:16.729 --> 01:29:20.109 feminism like it is it's not yeah it's not you 1886 01:29:20.149 --> 01:29:22.720 may have questions about choices she makes but those are 1887 01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:26.439 choices she's making which again she couldn't have done generations 1888 01:29:26.500 --> 01:29:29.539 ago so it's it's amazing to see the point that 1889 01:29:29.579 --> 01:29:32.300 we've gotten in in just you know society in general 1890 01:29:32.380 --> 01:29:35.600 it's far from perfect but looking at some of the 1891 01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:38.340 the impressive things that have happened in just this last 1892 01:29:38.579 --> 01:29:41.689 couple of decades it's it's impressive and It does give 1893 01:29:41.729 --> 01:29:44.920 me hope. Back to the having hope thing. It gives 1894 01:29:44.939 --> 01:29:46.380 me hope for the future and for kids. I feel 1895 01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:46.880 hopeful too. 1896 01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:50.079 And I think we'll get through this stage because there 1897 01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:53.560 was that dust up the other day with Jared Leto. 1898 01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:56.609 Did you see the thing? He's had a few lately. 1899 01:29:56.630 --> 01:30:00.529 Which one? They had some footage of him in the 1900 01:30:00.550 --> 01:30:03.550 studio where they were listening to Taylor Swift. I think 1901 01:30:03.590 --> 01:30:05.850 somebody was suggesting that something sound like a Taylor Swift 1902 01:30:05.869 --> 01:30:07.720 song on his record. They wouldn't do something like Taylor Swift. 1903 01:30:08.529 --> 01:30:10.430 And he was talking about

her and he was like. 1904 01:30:10.449 --> 01:30:11.899 That should be considered a good thing. She has nothing 1905 01:30:11.909 --> 01:30:12.270 but hits. 1906 01:30:12.420 --> 01:30:14.399 Well, exactly. I think that's why they were listening to 1907 01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:16.779 the record. And then, you know, but I think what 1908 01:30:16.819 --> 01:30:19.260 happened was something along the lines of like, he said 1909 01:30:19.300 --> 01:30:24.050 something cool about her, but then his reaction was, oh, fuck, 1910 01:30:24.090 --> 01:30:26.109 fuck Taylor Swift. Let's just fucking, you know what I mean? 1911 01:30:26.569 --> 01:30:28.430 He wasn't saying fuck Taylor Swift. He was like, let's 1912 01:30:28.449 --> 01:30:30.050 get back to work. I don't want to, I'm tired 1913 01:30:30.090 --> 01:30:32.270 of being worried about whether we're making a Taylor Swift record. 1914 01:30:32.670 --> 01:30:35.079 Then he had to apologize to Taylor Swift. And all 1915 01:30:35.100 --> 01:30:36.550 of this stuff he had to do in mea culpa. 1916 01:30:36.659 --> 01:30:38.390 And I would almost go, you know what? If you're 1917 01:30:38.409 --> 01:30:40.229 not smart enough to figure out what's going on in 1918 01:30:40.270 --> 01:30:41.270 that tape, then fuck you. 1919 01:30:41.449 --> 01:30:44.029 You can send her a personal message and be like, 1920 01:30:44.189 --> 01:30:47.439 I wasn't talking about you. Everybody else can go fuck themselves. 1921 01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:50.619 The entire social media that blows things out of proportion. 1922 01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:53.100 I'm like, I don't owe any of you an apology. 1923 01:30:53.260 --> 01:30:55.159 I didn't say anything about you. I didn't say anything 1924 01:30:55.239 --> 01:30:58.300 to you. It's just gotten blown out of proportion. 1925 01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:02.449 But I think he's like, I can't afford... Well, he 1926 01:31:02.489 --> 01:31:05.229 can afford anything. But that thing of like, right. But 1927 01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:08.260 obviously a publicist is like, all those Taylor Swift fans 1928 01:31:08.279 --> 01:31:10.140 you're going to lose. You're going to alienate. That's a 1929 01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:14.600 nation of people. And I would just say, no. You 1930 01:31:14.619 --> 01:31:14.840 know what? 1931 01:31:14.859 --> 01:31:15.979 That's not what I was talking about. 1932 01:31:16.380 --> 01:31:18.220 Yeah. I mean, it would be great if somebody said, look, 1933 01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:20.390 I'm going to just be the guy that says this. 1934 01:31:20.770 --> 01:31:22.770 Just like Scott Weiland's wife said, I'm going to be 1935 01:31:22.789 --> 01:31:26.250 the lady that says this is just a pathetic death 1936 01:31:26.369 --> 01:31:28.109 of a guy who was not a good father. Jesus. 1937 01:31:29.189 --> 01:31:32.680 Sometimes you go with the facts. And so the same 1938 01:31:32.699 --> 01:31:34.779 thing you go, you know I didn't mean that about 1939 01:31:34.819 --> 01:31:37.119 Taylor Swift. Watch the fucking tape and figure it out yourself. 1940 01:31:37.380 --> 01:31:39.359 And everybody grow the fuck up and stop acting like 1941 01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:42.899 a bunch of school kids. I'm not going to give 1942 01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:46.930 you an apology because no one needs one. No one 1943 01:31:46.970 --> 01:31:50.270 needs one. Watch the tape again. Really break it down 1944 01:31:50.369 --> 01:31:51.329 and figure it out yourself. 1945 01:31:51.390 --> 01:31:54.109 Social media is the schoolyard and everyone is about as 1946 01:31:54.170 --> 01:31:55.350 mature as children. 1947 01:31:55.369 --> 01:31:58.899 It's just so true. It's so true, but we've learned, 1948 01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:01.579 you know, with, I mean, I don't want to go 1949 01:32:01.659 --> 01:32:04.159 too deep down the political spectrum, but, you know, Trump 1950 01:32:04.819 --> 01:32:07.939 has figured out how to just tweet while he's talking. 1951 01:32:08.579 --> 01:32:13.060 He just speaks in tweets and everybody responds to them 1952 01:32:13.100 --> 01:32:15.359 because they're like, well, that's as much information as I 1953 01:32:15.380 --> 01:32:17.920 can take is about as much as a tweet. It's like, 1954 01:32:18.020 --> 01:32:21.050 that's right. Just do not let the brown ones in. 1955 01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:24.010 That's a tweet. That's 140, you know, and it's just 1956 01:32:24.060 --> 01:32:28.229 this weird hate speech, you know, anyway. but the point 1957 01:32:28.289 --> 01:32:31.710 is like it, it, it has, it's created some bad, 1958 01:32:32.670 --> 01:32:34.689 you know, some bad things. And then there's, you know, 1959 01:32:34.789 --> 01:32:36.409 it's got a terrific upside as well. 1960 01:32:36.590 --> 01:32:38.729 You know? I mean, yeah, it is a mixed bag 1961 01:32:38.829 --> 01:32:42.510 and putting it really simply, but there are some great 1962 01:32:42.550 --> 01:32:43.520 things that come out of it. 1963 01:32:43.789 --> 01:32:46.600 I met this couple the other night who came to 1964 01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:52.250 the show and they were young and married. And, uh, 1965 01:32:52.640 --> 01:32:53.899 The girl was a big fan. She was like a 1966 01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:55.739 girl that watched me when she was 14 or whatever. 1967 01:32:55.779 --> 01:32:57.520 And so she brought her boyfriend, like a couple I 1968 01:32:57.520 --> 01:32:59.899 was talking about earlier. And I said, well, hit me 1969 01:32:59.970 --> 01:33:01.649 up on Twitter. They said, we're not on the internet. 1970 01:33:01.689 --> 01:33:03.449 We don't have, when we got married, we got rid 1971 01:33:03.470 --> 01:33:04.649 of all of our social platforms. 1972 01:33:04.670 --> 01:33:05.229 We got rid of Twitter. 1973 01:33:05.250 --> 01:33:05.909 They're going vinyl. 1974 01:33:06.609 --> 01:33:08.350 They're going retro on us. Yeah. 1975 01:33:08.489 --> 01:33:10.369 I said, really? She goes, no. She goes, I'll start 1976 01:33:10.409

--> 01:33:12.789 a profile. So if you want to, because I said 1977 01:33:12.810 --> 01:33:13.989 to you, next time you want to come, I'll get 1978 01:33:14.010 --> 01:33:16.470 you tickets. And she said, but I, and I'll send 1979 01:33:16.489 --> 01:33:18.210 you the pictures, but I'm not going to be on it. 1980 01:33:18.210 --> 01:33:20.229 It won't be a thing. And I was like fascinated 1981 01:33:20.250 --> 01:33:22.189 with that. And I'm like, that's probably the next wave. 1982 01:33:22.590 --> 01:33:24.949 Well, there's a whole wave of people going back to 1983 01:33:24.970 --> 01:33:27.439 flip phones. You know, it's like, it is like a weird, 1984 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:29.979 there's a lot, it kind of hits that breaking point 1985 01:33:30.020 --> 01:33:32.100 for a lot of people. And they're just like, this 1986 01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:34.520 is too much. It's too much bullshit. Like, I just 1987 01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:36.060 want to simplify things. 1988 01:33:36.140 --> 01:33:37.560 I mean, I certainly get that. 1989 01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:41.239 I don't know. I mean, there's so useful in certain avenues, 1990 01:33:41.319 --> 01:33:44.279 but at the same time, I certainly get the annoyance factor. 1991 01:33:44.939 --> 01:33:49.399 Yeah. I, I, my, my biggest, I would do a 1992 01:33:49.420 --> 01:33:52.060 flip phone if it wasn't for maps. Yeah. 1993 01:33:52.510 --> 01:33:54.649 It's so useful. It really is. 1994 01:33:54.789 --> 01:33:58.289 I just don't miss appointments because I get there. That's 1995 01:33:58.329 --> 01:34:00.960 the only thing. You could get rid of every app 1996 01:34:01.079 --> 01:34:02.619 on here and I wouldn't give a shit. 1997 01:34:02.699 --> 01:34:03.680 I barely have any. 1998 01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:08.760 Just keep Waze. I just want Waze and Uber in 1999 01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:09.720 case I don't have a car. 2000 01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:12.760 Yeah. Especially traveling as much as you do. You have 2001 01:34:12.779 --> 01:34:17.020 to have those things. Again, the conveniences are there. It's 2002 01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:20.270 worth having as long as you can fight the evil 2003 01:34:20.369 --> 01:34:22.020 presence that also comes with it. 2004 01:34:22.029 --> 01:34:25.000 Yeah. Yeah, totally. Totally. 2005 01:34:25.399 --> 01:34:28.970 Well, to wrap up, we usually do our movie talk nonstop. 2006 01:34:29.010 --> 01:34:30.789 So we veered off in many directions. 2007 01:34:30.949 --> 01:34:31.189 Yeah. 2008 01:34:31.229 --> 01:34:35.810 We also do quite often. You referenced Matt Damon there earlier. 2009 01:34:35.829 --> 01:34:37.689 I'm assuming you've seen that one. Have you seen any 2010 01:34:37.750 --> 01:34:38.609 other movies lately? 2011 01:34:38.689 --> 01:34:40.890 I actually haven't seen it. We were trying to go 2012 01:34:40.970 --> 01:34:42.930 one day with my daughters because we thought they'd love 2013 01:34:42.970 --> 01:34:44.909 it and we didn't get a chance to get to it. No, 2014 01:34:45.130 --> 01:34:47.250 I am lucky that my wife is in the Writer's Guild, 2015 01:34:47.289 --> 01:34:49.529 so I have a pile of screeners to come home to. 2016 01:34:49.550 --> 01:34:50.649 Yeah, this is the time. 2017 01:34:50.729 --> 01:34:52.750 So I'm excited. Load you up. Yeah, and stuff that 2018 01:34:52.770 --> 01:34:54.189 I missed, like I didn't get to see straight out 2019 01:34:54.210 --> 01:35:00.329 of Compton. The last thing that I saw was... Man, 2020 01:35:01.289 --> 01:35:02.310 it's been a while. 2021 01:35:03.770 --> 01:35:05.350 Or anything re-watched lately. 2022 01:35:06.449 --> 01:35:08.770 Well, I watch Repo Man at least once a month. Nice. 2023 01:35:11.170 --> 01:35:13.970 And I watch... I watch a lot of rock documentaries. 2024 01:35:13.989 --> 01:35:16.050 I'm trying to think there's so many things I want 2025 01:35:16.109 --> 01:35:18.310 to see. That's the thing is just driving me crazy. 2026 01:35:18.390 --> 01:35:20.829 And then they come and go so fast. And it's like, 2027 01:35:21.029 --> 01:35:24.369 I followed the, the hunger game series. And then I, 2028 01:35:24.350 --> 01:35:26.460 the inspector came out and this stuff. And I just 2029 01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:28.859 couldn't get to everything. And I'm afraid it's going to 2030 01:35:28.899 --> 01:35:29.659 go before I. 2031 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:31.699 Yeah, that's the thing. You have such a window now, 2032 01:35:31.779 --> 01:35:34.680 like again, going back to the old days, like, six, 2033 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:36.920 eight months, sometimes stuff would just sit in a theater. 2034 01:35:36.939 --> 01:35:37.699 It would just sit there forever. 2035 01:35:37.779 --> 01:35:40.000 It would just sit there. Like, you could go six 2036 01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:43.090 months later and see a new release, in quotes, because 2037 01:35:43.619 --> 01:35:45.890 that's how the world worked. But, like, you got two 2038 01:35:45.949 --> 01:35:48.829 weeks now. Two weeks. You might miss it. Maybe by 2039 01:35:48.850 --> 01:35:51.189 that second week, if it's not delivering, it's gone. 2040 01:35:51.329 --> 01:35:51.670 Yeah. 2041 01:35:51.770 --> 01:35:54.050 Dollar Theater, we've already got a date for the DVD. 2042 01:35:54.210 --> 01:35:55.470 What's the last thing you saw? 2043 01:35:56.489 --> 01:36:00.090 I did see Spectre. I did see Hunger Games. Was 2044 01:36:00.109 --> 01:36:02.289 that the last one? I think that was the last one. 2045 01:36:02.329 --> 01:36:02.770 Yeah. 2046 01:36:02.850 --> 01:36:06.880 I saw the... My Hunger Games response was, did you 2047 01:36:06.939 --> 01:36:09.939 see the other one? The first part of this two-part? 2048 01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:10.220 Yeah. 2049 01:36:10.579 --> 01:36:12.000 We just need to wrap up this story. 2050 01:36:12.079 --> 01:36:14.699 Like, it's not... It's good. It's well-made. 2051 01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:19.329 There's a really effective scene midway in with... I won't 2052 01:36:19.390 -->

01:36:21.090 ruin it for people. But if you've seen it, you 2053 01:36:21.109 --> 01:36:23.630 know which one. They're sort of underground at that point. 2054 01:36:23.710 --> 01:36:27.590 And that scene's really fucking good. But, like, the rest 2055 01:36:27.689 --> 01:36:29.829 of it, I'm like, it didn't do anything. And I 2056 01:36:29.869 --> 01:36:33.159 didn't read the books because, you know, reading... So, like, 2057 01:36:34.739 --> 01:36:37.399 I didn't really know the outcome. I didn't know, you know, 2058 01:36:37.939 --> 01:36:39.399 because it became a whole who's she going to end 2059 01:36:39.460 --> 01:36:42.300 up with kind of nonsense. Which, again, in a story 2060 01:36:42.340 --> 01:36:45.319 about a revolution is not the most important thing. But 2061 01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:47.479 I didn't even know how the, you know, the whole 2062 01:36:47.619 --> 01:36:49.420 battle end of it. To me, that was always the 2063 01:36:49.460 --> 01:36:52.920 most impressive part of that series. I've said it many 2064 01:36:52.939 --> 01:36:54.979 times on the show. I think the games part is 2065 01:36:55.039 --> 01:36:58.909 the weakest part because I've seen Battle Royale. So I'm like, 2066 01:36:58.970 --> 01:37:00.649 it's a joke compared to Battle Royale. 2067 01:37:00.890 --> 01:37:01.149 Right. 2068 01:37:01.270 --> 01:37:02.869 So once you get to that second movie and the 2069 01:37:02.909 --> 01:37:04.630 games are already falling apart and we get to the 2070 01:37:04.649 --> 01:37:08.069 revolution part, that's way more interesting. I think the future 2071 01:37:08.550 --> 01:37:11.560 dystopian world that they built from the very first movie, 2072 01:37:11.619 --> 01:37:12.920 that's the best part of that movie. 2073 01:37:12.979 --> 01:37:14.920 But the thing I liked about the first movie that 2074 01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:17.779 then didn't happen is I liked how much time alone 2075 01:37:17.819 --> 01:37:18.840 we spent with Katniss. 2076 01:37:19.180 --> 01:37:19.399 Yeah. 2077 01:37:19.800 --> 01:37:23.560 I liked the girl power survival out in the woods. 2078 01:37:23.590 --> 01:37:23.930 I liked the. 2079 01:37:27.579 --> 01:37:30.250 I liked being alone with her as opposed to in 2080 01:37:31.109 --> 01:37:35.050 another action movie. I felt there was like... I just 2081 01:37:35.069 --> 01:37:37.850 thought they were neat. There was just the survivalist thing 2082 01:37:38.029 --> 01:37:41.939 of her. Like that journey, that scary journey of like, 2083 01:37:42.060 --> 01:37:43.659 I'm going to go and then I'm going to die. 2084 01:37:43.680 --> 01:37:45.720 You know, she could die. She's by herself. And I 2085 01:37:45.739 --> 01:37:47.420 liked that in the book, too. I only read the 2086 01:37:47.460 --> 01:37:47.859 first one. 2087 01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:51.510 I think that... I do. Cause we do spend a 2088 01:37:51.569 --> 01:37:53.850 lot of time with this character over four movies. We've 2089 01:37:53.890 --> 01:37:55.770 logged in a good amount of time with her. And 2090 01:37:55.789 --> 01:37:59.149 I feel like her character is pretty well developed watching the, 2091 01:37:59.210 --> 01:38:01.189 the first one was just on cable last night. And 2092 01:38:01.210 --> 01:38:03.920 I was kind of, I haven't rewatched it since maybe 2093 01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:06.399 that first time I saw it. And I'm like, it 2094 01:38:06.520 --> 01:38:09.920 is an interesting like character because we do log in 2095 01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:12.560 a lot of time with her. She is so strong. 2096 01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:15.359 Even from the beginning, as you're watching her, like tell 2097 01:38:15.399 --> 01:38:17.739 her mother what needs to be done. Like she is 2098 01:38:17.859 --> 01:38:20.220 the heart and soul of that family and, And that 2099 01:38:20.260 --> 01:38:23.100 continues on as we get into this revolution. She takes 2100 01:38:23.199 --> 01:38:24.920 over the revolution, even when she doesn't want to. Even 2101 01:38:24.939 --> 01:38:28.409 when she doesn't care about their cause, she cares about people, 2102 01:38:28.729 --> 01:38:30.770 so she steps up because of that. more important so 2103 01:38:30.789 --> 01:38:33.399 she's always such a strong character which i think is 2104 01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:34.239 so amazing. 2105 01:38:34.020 --> 01:38:36.060 And she's one of our best like i i was 2106 01:38:36.180 --> 01:38:38.319 i watched the trailer for joy this morning and i 2107 01:38:38.340 --> 01:38:40.600 was like i think she's gonna be our next stream 2108 01:38:41.340 --> 01:38:44.039 so fucking good and you just want to see what 2109 01:38:44.079 --> 01:38:47.159 she's in and she's got a a purpose and a 2110 01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:49.770 sexiness but she's also like an adult but then she's 2111 01:38:49.829 --> 01:38:52.649 also like a child like she's just awesome. 2112 01:38:52.310 --> 01:38:54.970 Funniest thing you'll ever see and that's unscripted all you 2113 01:38:54.989 --> 01:38:56.390 have to do is watch her on a red carpet 2114 01:38:56.430 --> 01:38:58.770 and you'll you can't write the kind of things that 2115 01:38:58.810 --> 01:39:01.369 come out of her mouth yeah she's just great amazing. 2116 01:39:01.109 --> 01:39:04.050 She's just great and i uh i i really really 2117 01:39:04.109 --> 01:39:06.170 like i just she is a she is a bona 2118 01:39:06.189 --> 01:39:09.529 fide movie star like i will not miss joy when 2119 01:39:09.550 --> 01:39:11.609 it comes out yeah I will go see that. 2120 01:39:12.369 --> 01:39:15.090 It was one, like, she keeps making those movies with him. And, like, 2121 01:39:15.170 --> 01:39:16.729 so many, I don't think I knew this one was 2122 01:39:16.770 --> 01:39:18.430 coming out until I saw the trailer. 2123 01:39:18.449 --> 01:39:20.710 I was like, when did they make another movie together? 2124 01:39:20.729 --> 01:39:22.909 That's what I kept thinking, too. I'm like, man, he 2125 01:39:22.930 -->

01:39:25.329 just is, he loves Bradley Cooper. 2126 01:39:25.390 --> 01:39:26.489 He found his people. 2127 01:39:26.510 --> 01:39:29.399 He found his people. He just keeps bringing them back. 2128 01:39:29.439 --> 01:39:31.279 That's his thing. Like, he just found his people. 2129 01:39:31.399 --> 01:39:32.420 He found his Leonardo. 2130 01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:33.880 Right, yeah. 2131 01:39:33.899 --> 01:39:35.319 I'm just gonna keep making movies with you. 2132 01:39:35.340 --> 01:39:38.279 That's what I do. Yeah, and people seem to like it. 2133 01:39:38.279 --> 01:39:41.239 I mean, when it's with, That cast, specifically her, like, 2134 01:39:41.479 --> 01:39:42.899 it can't go wrong, really. 2135 01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:45.460 Like, every time. The whole gang. De Niro was in 2136 01:39:45.479 --> 01:39:46.859 the last one, too. That's his gang. 2137 01:39:46.899 --> 01:39:49.590 It's like, none of them really, you know, dropped the 2138 01:39:49.609 --> 01:39:52.310 ball on these movies. And he had such a weird 2139 01:39:52.869 --> 01:39:55.289 dynamic as a director that I think he's once again 2140 01:39:55.430 --> 01:39:58.369 found this group of people that get what he's doing. 2141 01:39:58.510 --> 01:40:02.329 I haven't heard any weird fighting scenarios now. He's found 2142 01:40:02.430 --> 01:40:05.560 himself as a director. He's found his people to work with. Yeah. 2143 01:40:06.079 --> 01:40:07.720 He's in a groove now, and it's like, all right, 2144 01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:08.699 let him keep making movies. 2145 01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:11.340 Because they're good. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think 2146 01:40:11.380 --> 01:40:14.430 she's something else, man. Yeah, I really like, and I, 2147 01:40:14.699 --> 01:40:18.720 you know, Ben Stiller is an old friend, and so, 2148 01:40:19.340 --> 01:40:22.000 you know, I remember when he was in, what was 2149 01:40:22.020 --> 01:40:23.850 the thing he shot, was it Lily Tomlin? 2150 01:40:24.739 --> 01:40:25.390 Oh, yeah. 2151 01:40:27.069 --> 01:40:28.090 Fuck, that's a good movie. 2152 01:40:28.250 --> 01:40:30.109 Yeah, it's one that's totally forgotten. 2153 01:40:30.729 --> 01:40:33.680 And that was one of his first movies. What is 2154 01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:36.600 that called? I was just thinking about it the other day. Oh, well. 2155 01:40:36.659 --> 01:40:38.819 Because I haven't watched it in so long. 2156 01:40:39.140 --> 01:40:42.649 If you're listening, just IMDb, Ben Stiller, David O. Russell. 2157 01:40:42.770 --> 01:40:43.369 You'll find it. 2158 01:40:44.489 --> 01:40:46.430 But it was such an early one for him. It's 2159 01:40:46.510 --> 01:40:49.270 like Three Kings is another one that nobody really talks 2160 01:40:49.329 --> 01:40:51.930 about as a signature kind of movie for him. It's 2161 01:40:51.949 --> 01:40:54.369 like he's moved in a different direction. Right. And now 2162 01:40:54.409 --> 01:40:57.760 it's more relationship between a couple kind of thing. Whereas 2163 01:40:58.520 --> 01:40:59.920 Three Kings was amazing. 2164 01:41:00.300 --> 01:41:00.760 Yeah. 2165 01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:02.609 So it's like... I don't know. 2166 01:41:02.630 --> 01:41:04.939 I think he, I think, I think he made I 2167 01:41:04.989 --> 01:41:07.899 Heart Huckabees. It was like his, he just got, was 2168 01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:08.960 lost somewhere. 2169 01:41:09.180 --> 01:41:09.439 Yeah. 2170 01:41:09.859 --> 01:41:12.979 And I think, you know, I don't know what that was. 2171 01:41:13.239 --> 01:41:15.779 I tried. And yeah, cause my friend John Bryan did 2172 01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:17.760 all the music for it and I love the music, 2173 01:41:18.340 --> 01:41:20.640 but boy, that was a hard slog. 2174 01:41:21.050 --> 01:41:22.090 Flirting with disaster. 2175 01:41:22.430 --> 01:41:23.989 Flirting with disaster is exactly what it's called. 2176 01:41:24.010 --> 01:41:25.050 I was like, I know what's in there. 2177 01:41:25.069 --> 01:41:26.710 Nailed it. I gotta dig for it. And that is 2178 01:41:26.750 --> 01:41:28.970 kind of in the, it's kind of like what he's 2179 01:41:29.010 --> 01:41:32.880 doing now. Like it's an ensemble cast. It's weird. It's 2180 01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:37.220 vaguely comedy. It's also dark. Ben is looking for his 2181 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:40.199 birth parents and they turn out to be these fucked 2182 01:41:40.260 --> 01:41:43.630 up hippies. It's very good. And then the cop takes 2183 01:41:43.829 --> 01:41:47.390 acid and it's Richard Jenkins and he has a partner 2184 01:41:47.489 --> 01:41:51.289 and they're gay. It's just, it's really fucking good. And 2185 01:41:51.369 --> 01:41:55.130 Ben is that classic Ben Nebbish, you know, the guy 2186 01:41:55.149 --> 01:41:57.770 that you kind of love and hate. And oh God, Ben, 2187 01:41:57.930 --> 01:42:01.229 it's really good. Patricia Arquette. James Brolin. 2188 01:42:01.250 --> 01:42:01.890 Again, yeah. 2189 01:42:02.350 --> 01:42:02.909 Josh Brolin. 2190 01:42:03.569 --> 01:42:05.840 Well, that's one of those I think you can watch. 2191 01:42:05.939 --> 01:42:08.300 He is one of those directories you can find him 2192 01:42:08.420 --> 01:42:11.319 honing his skill along the way. It's like you watch 2193 01:42:11.340 --> 01:42:13.920 these first couple, and it's like all the parts are there. 2194 01:42:13.979 --> 01:42:17.420 They're good. And then he just kind of hones it, 2195 01:42:17.479 --> 01:42:20.449 and like two, three movies later, it's like Oscar nominations. 2196 01:42:20.689 --> 01:42:23.909 And Three Kings is what? It's Wahlberg, Clooney, and? 2197 01:42:24.569 --> 01:42:25.090 Ice Cube? 2198 01:42:25.970 --> 01:42:28.010 Is that right? I think. I think that's right. 2199 01:42:28.250 --> 01:42:28.489 I think. 2200 01:42:29.430 --> 01:42:32.470 All three of those guys turned into stars. Yeah. Wahlberg 2201 01:42:32.489 --> 01:42:34.970 was not a star at that point, and Clooney was 2202 01:42:35.050 --> 01:42:36.640 a maybe,

and Ice Cube was Ice Cube. 2203 01:42:36.649 --> 01:42:39.779 He was already up and coming, but again, you already 2204 01:42:39.819 --> 01:42:41.800 get him. That was the big thing with that one 2205 01:42:41.819 --> 01:42:44.300 was him and Clooney going at it. So he had 2206 01:42:44.340 --> 01:42:46.340 these issues with everybody. Those first couple of them, I 2207 01:42:46.340 --> 01:42:48.680 don't remember much in floating with disaster, but definitely I 2208 01:42:48.699 --> 01:42:49.279 heard Huckabee's. 2209 01:42:49.300 --> 01:42:50.680 Maybe he got on meds or got some help. 2210 01:42:51.300 --> 01:42:52.859 Well, I think.... 2211 01:42:54.140 --> 01:42:57.000 So Three Kings is like, if I'm thinking about it, that's... 2212 01:42:57.770 --> 01:43:00.050 gotta be Clooney's Redeemer from Batman. 2213 01:43:00.689 --> 01:43:00.989 Oh, yeah. 2214 01:43:01.050 --> 01:43:02.810 That was, like, right out of there. 2215 01:43:02.869 --> 01:43:04.449 Like, pretty close after that. 2216 01:43:04.470 --> 01:43:06.090 I think that was, like... I think it was the 2217 01:43:06.130 --> 01:43:09.710 point of Clooney going, I need to rethink this. Like, 2218 01:43:09.789 --> 01:43:11.439 it was one thing when I was up and coming 2219 01:43:11.449 --> 01:43:13.899 that I'm in Facts of Life, but, like, I'm a 2220 01:43:13.939 --> 01:43:14.659 celebrity now. 2221 01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:17.100 I can make whatever I want. I don't have to 2222 01:43:17.140 --> 01:43:17.619 take this. 2223 01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:20.840 Batman's got a huge paycheck to it, but, like, I 2224 01:43:20.880 --> 01:43:23.340 even watched that, like, I watched that movie. It's terrible, 2225 01:43:23.380 --> 01:43:26.659 and I'm like, I'm not blaming him, because... even in 2226 01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:28.539 his performance, you look at him and he looks at 2227 01:43:28.579 --> 01:43:30.869 the camera like, I don't know what I'm doing here either. Like, 2228 01:43:30.930 --> 01:43:32.369 it feels so, like, at least. 2229 01:43:32.590 --> 01:43:34.670 In the right hands with the right director, he could 2230 01:43:34.689 --> 01:43:35.609 have been a fine Batman. 2231 01:43:35.670 --> 01:43:36.609 Yeah, I think so. 2232 01:43:36.630 --> 01:43:38.460 And at the right age, he could have been a 2233 01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:41.699 fine Batman. That's so lost. He has all the properties 2234 01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:44.760 that Ben Affleck has. Oh, yeah. And... You know, none 2235 01:43:44.779 --> 01:43:47.619 of the weirdness. Christian Bale is just a strange dude. 2236 01:43:47.840 --> 01:43:49.319 But an actor's actor's actor, right? 2237 01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:50.819 Yeah. He's talented. 2238 01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:52.600 Oh, my gosh. He's just a strange dude. He's just 2239 01:43:52.619 --> 01:43:54.760 a strange dude. And I mean for real. 2240 01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:54.939 Yeah. 2241 01:43:54.960 --> 01:43:56.140 Like a real strange person. 2242 01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:59.489 And super

method-y. And like he's got his thing that 2243 01:43:59.510 --> 01:44:01.390 he has to do. But it works when it works. Yeah. 2244 01:44:01.430 --> 01:44:04.229 You know, it's like when it comes together, we all benefit. 2245 01:44:04.329 --> 01:44:07.029 But it's a process that like I don't understand. And 2246 01:44:07.289 --> 01:44:11.630 most people probably don't understand. But yeah, I don't know. 2247 01:44:12.289 --> 01:44:15.649 So I think... There's always good stuff coming out, so 2248 01:44:15.689 --> 01:44:18.789 anything you're looking forward to? 2249 01:44:19.050 --> 01:44:21.630 Everything that's coming. I mean, I'm looking forward to Star Wars. Obviously, yeah. 2250 01:44:21.670 --> 01:44:23.609 I'm excited for the revisit, and I'm also a big J.J. 2251 01:44:23.630 --> 01:44:27.329 Abrams fan. I'm looking forward to Joy. I'm looking forward 2252 01:44:27.390 --> 01:44:29.630 to Captain America Civil War. 2253 01:44:29.649 --> 01:44:29.970 Oh, yeah. 2254 01:44:29.989 --> 01:44:31.689 That trailer's awesome. That trailer looks amazing. 2255 01:44:31.720 --> 01:44:33.060 Oh, my God. 2256 01:44:33.300 --> 01:44:35.500 And just the part where he goes, he's my friend, 2257 01:44:35.560 --> 01:44:37.939 and he goes, I was your friend. Oh, and then 2258 01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:39.359 he just starts beating up on the Iron Man. 2259 01:44:40.420 --> 01:44:41.560 There's so much in that. 2260 01:44:41.880 --> 01:44:45.340 I saw a trailer- I can't even remember what it was. 2261 01:44:45.460 --> 01:44:46.899 I'm not going to go down that path because I 2262 01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:49.220 won't remember the name of it. There's a couple of 2263 01:44:49.260 --> 01:44:51.420 really good things. I think that, you know, I'll be 2264 01:44:51.460 --> 01:44:54.159 curious to see. I didn't know Tarzan was a thing 2265 01:44:54.189 --> 01:44:55.479 until this morning. 2266 01:44:55.649 --> 01:44:57.170 They keep trying to bring it back. 2267 01:44:57.329 --> 01:44:59.890 Every, what, seven, eight years, they do some sort of 2268 01:44:59.930 --> 01:45:02.270 weird reboot that never works usually. 2269 01:45:02.310 --> 01:45:04.569 This one feels like it has the Marvel twist. Like, 2270 01:45:04.789 --> 01:45:07.430 they're trying to make it serious, but then Sam Jackson is, like, 2271 01:45:07.470 --> 01:45:09.750 yelling at Tarzan, and Tarzan's drinking a cup with his 2272 01:45:09.789 --> 01:45:12.729 finger pinky out. Like, There's, like, obviously they tried to 2273 01:45:12.789 --> 01:45:13.130 refine it. 2274 01:45:13.130 --> 01:45:13.430 I don't know. 2275 01:45:14.909 --> 01:45:21.020 But it looks interesting. BFG? Yeah. Am I getting that right? No, 2276 01:45:21.020 --> 01:45:24.260 it's not BFG. That's Big Fucking Giant. The Steven Spielberg 2277 01:45:24.300 --> 01:45:25.720 thing of the Roald Dahl story. 2278 01:45:25.960 --> 01:45:29.149 Oh, yeah. I have heard a little about it. 2279 01:45:29.159 --> 01:45:31.750 It is BFG, Big Friendly Giant. It's about a kid 2280 01:45:31.770 --> 01:45:33.529 who makes friends with a giant, and then there's. 2281 01:45:34.810 --> 01:45:39.369 Spielberg, I don't know. He's so different in the stuff 2282 01:45:39.409 --> 01:45:43.229 he does now versus years ago. It's always top-notch. 2283 01:45:43.250 --> 01:45:44.229 Did you go to Bridges Spies? 2284 01:45:44.850 --> 01:45:46.600 I still haven't seen it. I haven't seen that either. 2285 01:45:46.659 --> 01:45:49.760 It looks interesting, but everybody I know that's seen it, 2286 01:45:50.020 --> 01:45:54.140 it's slow. The spy stuff works. He still knows how 2287 01:45:54.159 --> 01:45:56.140 to shoot that stuff, but then it slows down and 2288 01:45:56.180 --> 01:45:59.949 goes to the drama later, and it's pretty slow. 2289 01:46:00.109 --> 01:46:00.970 I want to see Spotlight. 2290 01:46:01.409 --> 01:46:01.569 Yeah. 2291 01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:04.800 That's getting nothing but a lot of impressive talk. 2292 01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:10.899 And we have the screener for the one about the financial... Yeah, 2293 01:46:10.920 --> 01:46:11.359 that looks. 2294 01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:13.039 Again, performances. 2295 01:46:13.100 --> 01:46:15.659 That looks like it's just nothing but amazing performances. 2296 01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:18.500 Yeah. They say Christian Bale's out of hand in it. 2297 01:46:18.970 --> 01:46:19.939 I can believe it. 2298 01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:23.810 And they say that that guy Mark Rylance, who's in 2299 01:46:23.829 --> 01:46:27.069 Bridge of Spies, who plays the giant in the Spielberg thing, 2300 01:46:27.109 --> 01:46:29.899 is amazing in Bridge of Spies. So I want to see, 2301 01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:31.899 I mean, there's a lot, but I've been, you know, 2302 01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:34.279 I've been fine with Jessica Jones. 2303 01:46:34.689 --> 01:46:37.189 That was good. Again, I'm most of the way there 2304 01:46:37.210 --> 01:46:39.670 and I'm just like, and that's another one. Like I didn't, 2305 01:46:40.210 --> 01:46:41.970 I didn't know how that first series was going to go. 2306 01:46:42.050 --> 01:46:45.050 Daredevil was amazing. Like, I'm just like, I wasn't really 2307 01:46:45.189 --> 01:46:47.470 familiar with Jessica Jones as a character. So I'm like, 2308 01:46:47.489 --> 01:46:49.649 this is weird that they're even making this. That's not a, 2309 01:46:50.350 --> 01:46:52.399 I mean, all of these are sort of B level 2310 01:46:52.420 --> 01:46:55.479 compared to like, you know, the bigger superstar names in Marvel, 2311 01:46:55.539 --> 01:46:58.060 but like, this is a pretty far down the list 2312 01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:02.810 to be sponsoring this whole big production. And then I 2313 01:47:02.869 --> 01:47:04.909 saw the casting just like a few weeks before and 2314 01:47:04.930 --> 01:47:06.850 I'm like, I know her. I've seen Kristen Ritter in 2315 01:47:06.890 --> 01:47:10.149 a ton of stuff. She's really fun. That's weird. Like 2316 01:47:10.180 -->

01:47:11.760 I did not know if she had that in her 2317 01:47:11.819 --> 01:47:14.739 and damn if she doesn't. She is so good in there. 2318 01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:18.359 I think what they found was, you know, you do 2319 01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:20.859 the Green Lantern and you just don't have a story. No. 2320 01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:25.439 But you do a story about a woman who, who 2321 01:47:25.640 --> 01:47:28.699 failed at being a superhero, even though she has powers, 2322 01:47:29.649 --> 01:47:33.250 became an alcoholic and a private eye, and is just 2323 01:47:33.310 --> 01:47:37.569 on the fringes doing shit work. Wow, that's a great start. 2324 01:47:37.829 --> 01:47:40.390 That's why these... And then, like everything else in life, 2325 01:47:40.430 --> 01:47:43.880 there's a call to duty. And then you bring in 2326 01:47:44.079 --> 01:47:47.979 crazy Luke Kay. There's just so much... And then she 2327 01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:52.279 just embodies it, and it's well-produced, it's well-directed, it's well-acted, 2328 01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:56.739 it's very considered. And there's enough Marvel laughs, that thing 2329 01:47:56.779 --> 01:48:01.979 of murder, blood, ha-ha, sex. Yeah. They do this thing 2330 01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:04.239 that they do so well where it all feels like 2331 01:48:06.020 --> 01:48:07.739 they got the DNA of Robert Downey and put it 2332 01:48:07.810 --> 01:48:10.329 in every movie. It was like, he's serious and a 2333 01:48:10.369 --> 01:48:12.770 little bit funny and very cool, but he's also an actor. 2334 01:48:13.470 --> 01:48:16.250 But they're human. They're all real human beings. 2335 01:48:16.289 --> 01:48:19.409 Well, and they're so grounded. I think you're midway into 2336 01:48:19.449 --> 01:48:22.560 that first episode. and she still hasn't done anything except 2337 01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:26.039 be a private eye. This is a Marvel? It doesn't 2338 01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:29.430 feel like it's a cheesy superhero movie. It's a whole 2339 01:48:29.510 --> 01:48:32.489 other series. It's a whole other idea, and it's only 2340 01:48:32.550 --> 01:48:35.890 maybe once an episode she'll do something that is superhuman. 2341 01:48:36.649 --> 01:48:39.550 But it's also... So you're watching this person who... is 2342 01:48:39.609 --> 01:48:42.810 still human more or less who just happens to have 2343 01:48:42.850 --> 01:48:44.890 these weird abilities. And they're having to deal with the 2344 01:48:45.010 --> 01:48:47.909 fact that they have these abilities and what, like what 2345 01:48:48.029 --> 01:48:50.430 a freak it makes them in our world where most 2346 01:48:50.470 --> 01:48:53.109 people don't. So it's like, you're really kind of humanizing 2347 01:48:53.149 --> 01:48:55.939 them so much in these, in Daredevil's the same way 2348 01:48:55.949 --> 01:48:58.779 of like, you're watching a story that for the most 2349 01:48:58.840 --> 01:49:01.720 part could just be a normal TV, you know, hour 2350 01:49:01.760 --> 01:49:04.649 long drama, uh, And they add this little tweak of 2351 01:49:04.689 --> 01:49:07.550 superhuman abilities, and it's like, it still feeds what it 2352 01:49:07.590 --> 01:49:10.710 needs to for the comic book geek, but it's so 2353 01:49:10.770 --> 01:49:13.869 well done. It's so well put together as just a drama. 2354 01:49:13.970 --> 01:49:15.130 That's what makes it work so well. 2355 01:49:15.180 --> 01:49:19.659 They don't even introduce the co-star of the show until 2356 01:49:19.779 --> 01:49:24.600 three episodes in. That is like, in old school pilot making, 2357 01:49:24.640 --> 01:49:27.180 he's in the second scene. You're like, what is she 2358 01:49:27.220 --> 01:49:29.819 talking about? It just takes forever to get to it, 2359 01:49:29.850 --> 01:49:33.000 and it's just so nice. And then when he shows up, Yeah. 2360 01:49:33.180 --> 01:49:35.680 You've already met Jessica. You've spent time with her. 2361 01:49:35.699 --> 01:49:36.239 You got it. 2362 01:49:36.260 --> 01:49:38.619 You got her friends. You got her world. You got 2363 01:49:38.649 --> 01:49:41.770 her thing. And then this fucking, you know, and it's 2364 01:49:41.789 --> 01:49:44.909 played by David Tennant, who is so superb, who was 2365 01:49:44.970 --> 01:49:50.949 a doctor who, but also really good in Fright Night. 2366 01:49:51.609 --> 01:49:52.109 Fright Night? 2367 01:49:52.210 --> 01:49:55.489 I really liked him in Fright Night. He's very silly, 2368 01:49:55.550 --> 01:49:57.430 but like he makes that role, like in a role 2369 01:49:57.489 --> 01:49:58.810 I didn't think you could redo. 2370 01:49:59.750 --> 01:50:00.800 He does something new with it. 2371 01:50:00.810 --> 01:50:01.069 That's right. 2372 01:50:01.100 --> 01:50:01.920 I'm like, that's awesome. 2373 01:50:01.939 --> 01:50:02.619 That's right. 2374 01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:04.220 That's what I go to for him. I was like, 2375 01:50:04.260 --> 01:50:05.699 I did not expect to like him in that, and 2376 01:50:05.739 --> 01:50:07.000 he's damn entertaining. 2377 01:50:07.060 --> 01:50:09.279 Yeah, he's a good actor, that guy. He's a great actor. 2378 01:50:09.300 --> 01:50:11.270 They kind of did that same move with Daredevil. I 2379 01:50:11.279 --> 01:50:15.449 think it's episode four before we bring in D'Onofrio. Like, 2380 01:50:15.510 --> 01:50:17.439 it's the very end of that one. 2381 01:50:17.829 --> 01:50:20.810 You don't even get the suit until the end. 2382 01:50:20.890 --> 01:50:22.689 No, it's the end before we see the suit, but 2383 01:50:22.710 --> 01:50:25.529 you don't even get the villain that is the overarching 2384 01:50:25.569 --> 01:50:28.060 villain of this whole series until, like, you just hear 2385 01:50:28.069 --> 01:50:29.960 him talk about him. Like, they build him. 2386 01:50:29.899 --> 01:50:32.420 Up so much in those first several episodes that you're. 2387 01:50:32.279 --> 01:50:35.180 Like, he's got to be so amazing. And then he's 2388

01:50:35.300 --> 01:50:38.359 such a human character, too, that you're like, yeah, I 2389 01:50:38.420 --> 01:50:41.840 see that he's evil, but he's not a crazy, laughing, maniacal. 2390 01:50:42.239 --> 01:50:43.039 Silly villain. 2391 01:50:43.460 --> 01:50:47.100 He's a real slumlord that will hurt people because he 2392 01:50:47.140 --> 01:50:49.829 needs to. maybe he likes it, maybe he doesn't, but 2393 01:50:49.869 --> 01:50:51.069 if he needs to do it, he sure is all 2394 01:50:51.090 --> 01:50:51.569 gonna do it. 2395 01:50:51.569 --> 01:50:51.789 Yeah. 2396 01:50:51.810 --> 01:50:53.569 And that's why he's such a good villain. 2397 01:50:53.789 --> 01:50:58.640 Yeah. Everybody has conflict and definitely the villain in Jessica 2398 01:50:58.659 --> 01:51:00.380 Jones has conflict. You know what I mean? Like, you 2399 01:51:00.539 --> 01:51:02.920 get super deep into his psyche and then you're like, oh. 2400 01:51:02.920 --> 01:51:05.800 You're like, yeah, he's messed up, but he's been messed 2401 01:51:05.899 --> 01:51:06.739 up since birth. 2402 01:51:07.020 --> 01:51:08.260 Yeah, yeah. 2403 01:51:08.340 --> 01:51:09.779 Nothing helped him along the way. 2404 01:51:09.819 --> 01:51:14.819 Yeah. And it's all, yeah, that's my favorite thing of 2405 01:51:14.850 --> 01:51:17.670 the season, of the year, is probably Jessica Jones. I'm 2406 01:51:17.710 --> 01:51:19.739 really like, Yeah, I really liked it. 2407 01:51:20.010 --> 01:51:22.420 I was watching it this morning. I'm ready to go 2408 01:51:22.460 --> 01:51:25.600 back and finish it because I've got maybe two episodes left. 2409 01:51:25.659 --> 01:51:27.909 So it's. Yeah, I consumed it really quickly. That's the 2410 01:51:27.989 --> 01:51:31.779 one cool thing about the road. But also, you're over 2411 01:51:31.899 --> 01:51:33.420 too fast. You're like, oh, why don't I have some 2412 01:51:33.439 --> 01:51:34.100 Jessica Jones? 2413 01:51:34.119 --> 01:51:36.300 That's kind of what I worried about. I looked at it, 2414 01:51:36.300 --> 01:51:38.100 and I was two-thirds of the way. I was like, oh, shit, 2415 01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:38.840 this is almost over. 2416 01:51:38.899 --> 01:51:41.899 I ate the whole bag already. Oh, man, why did 2417 01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:43.270 I do that? I promised myself I was just going 2418 01:51:43.279 --> 01:51:45.649 to have a few, and then it's 5 o'clock in 2419 01:51:45.670 --> 01:51:47.850 the morning, and I've got to get up at 7, 2420 01:51:47.850 --> 01:51:51.930 and I'm like, oh, my God. Maybe just one more. Yeah, 2421 01:51:52.149 --> 01:51:55.569 good stuff. Yeah, I mean, and that is, you know, 2422 01:51:55.710 --> 01:51:58.649 and Hulu, the same thing. Like, a show's on TV, 2423 01:51:58.680 --> 01:52:00.079 but the next night, I love The Grinder. 2424 01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:00.600 Yeah. 2425 01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:03.340 Oh, my God, is The Grinder funny. Oh, my God, 2426 01:52:03.399 --> 01:52:03.859 is that show funny. 2427 01:52:03.880 --> 01:52:06.399 There's too many new ones. Like, that, I've barely seen 2428 01:52:06.479 --> 01:52:08.439 any of because there's so many new things. 2429 01:52:08.539 --> 01:52:11.270 The Grinder is so worth your time. It's so smart 2430 01:52:11.279 --> 01:52:16.149 and so funny and so weird. And Fred Savage is 2431 01:52:16.770 --> 01:52:19.640 off the chain. Yeah. He is so good. I mean, 2432 01:52:19.699 --> 01:52:22.600 Rob's great. Rob Lowe is what you come for. 2433 01:52:22.619 --> 01:52:24.159 He's dependable at this point. You know? 2434 01:52:24.250 --> 01:52:24.630 Yeah, he is. 2435 01:52:24.649 --> 01:52:26.710 You know comedically what he's going to deliver. 2436 01:52:26.770 --> 01:52:30.029 Yeah. And this is just Rob Lowe on 10. It's 2437 01:52:30.090 --> 01:52:32.529 like him making fun of every trope that could have 2438 01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:33.600 ever been believed about him. 2439 01:52:34.180 --> 01:52:36.840 It's like, It may have been true on some level. 2440 01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:39.560 He said, he goes, this is everything everybody thinks I am, 2441 01:52:39.779 --> 01:52:42.239 which is not true, but here's, let me, but then 2442 01:52:42.260 --> 01:52:43.840 there always has to be a tiny bit of truth 2443 01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:44.539 in it, because how do you get it? 2444 01:52:44.539 --> 01:52:45.979 Because he did a lot of crazy stuff when he 2445 01:52:46.020 --> 01:52:48.000 was younger that, like, you don't look at him and 2446 01:52:48.020 --> 01:52:48.529 think that now. 2447 01:52:48.539 --> 01:52:50.640 But it's so funny, he's not a one-dimensional, like, you 2448 01:52:50.659 --> 01:52:53.670 keep thinking, okay, he's going to be this one-dimensional... you know, 2449 01:52:53.810 --> 01:52:57.479 former TV star. Like, we've seen this trope before, but 2450 01:52:57.579 --> 01:53:02.199 it's not. He's sensitive and stupid and then brilliant and 2451 01:53:02.239 --> 01:53:05.039 then really thoughtful and then really... Like, he's just a 2452 01:53:05.079 --> 01:53:09.260 human being, but who's completely... It's just fucking delusional. It's 2453 01:53:09.300 --> 01:53:11.960 just great. And then Fred Savage couldn't be more grounded, 2454 01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:15.029 more real, more funny, and more like... They never do 2455 01:53:15.090 --> 01:53:19.449 something without... Like, you know like in a... When you're 2456 01:53:19.470 --> 01:53:21.590 watching a show and you go, that would never happen. 2457 01:53:22.170 --> 01:53:25.140 Characters say that. Like Rob Lowe will come in and 2458 01:53:25.199 --> 01:53:28.409 try a case and then somebody goes, you know, none 2459 01:53:28.430 --> 01:53:32.470 of this is real or legal. Like this is not legal. 2460 01:53:33.350 --> 01:53:35.750 And then like everything you just said was great and 2461 01:53:35.789 --> 01:53:37.470 the point you made, but you're not a lawyer. So 2462 01:53:37.729 --> 01:53:40.229 none of this is like they never let

something happen 2463 01:53:40.250 --> 01:53:43.140 without somebody else going that. Right. What you just said 2464 01:53:43.189 --> 01:53:44.979 is not actually true. Like Fred Savage says a lot. 2465 01:53:45.260 --> 01:53:47.420 Not a real thing. Not a real thing. Actually, not 2466 01:53:47.460 --> 01:53:50.920 the truth. Actually, not the truth. And that makes it 2467 01:53:51.380 --> 01:53:55.739 so enjoyable because he's the audience going, you don't believe this. 2468 01:53:55.960 --> 01:53:57.840 In a real sitcom, you'd believe this guy or you 2469 01:53:57.859 --> 01:54:00.979 would take him seriously. So it's super smart in that way. 2470 01:54:01.479 --> 01:54:04.420 Like I said, the glut of bad television out there, 2471 01:54:04.640 --> 01:54:07.380 it is amazing how much good stuff is getting made now. 2472 01:54:07.779 --> 01:54:11.359 Maybe not the traditional avenues anymore, but there's still, and 2473 01:54:11.399 --> 01:54:14.510 that's kind of that same thing. There's such a sea 2474 01:54:14.649 --> 01:54:18.850 of material out there that like, you're kind of overwhelmed 2475 01:54:18.890 --> 01:54:21.069 to find the good ones, so it's good to hear. 2476 01:54:21.250 --> 01:54:25.149 I think Fox is getting it. Fox is sort of, 2477 01:54:25.529 --> 01:54:27.609 they've got a whole, it's like they've got The Grinder, 2478 01:54:27.649 --> 01:54:31.140 but they've got Empire, but they've also got, they're like 2479 01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:31.840 their own Netflix. 2480 01:54:31.859 --> 01:54:35.460 Yeah, they're kind of operating outside the norms a little 2481 01:54:35.500 --> 01:54:36.890 more lately even than they used to. 2482 01:54:36.939 --> 01:54:40.199 Right, they've got Gotham, and CW has some of that stuff, 2483 01:54:41.010 --> 01:54:44.310 but the other networks are still kind of stuck in, right, 2484 01:54:44.329 --> 01:54:45.909 but we've got to make it a procedural because there 2485 01:54:45.989 --> 01:54:49.210 has to be 22. Yeah. And Batman figured out how 2486 01:54:49.250 --> 01:54:53.260 to be a semi procedural with a huge over or Gotham, 2487 01:54:53.279 --> 01:54:57.500 rather a huge overarching story. That's pretty great because you 2488 01:54:57.539 --> 01:55:00.439 really have all of Bruce's youth until he becomes Batman. 2489 01:55:01.539 --> 01:55:04.779 So I was amazed how much I like flash. I 2490 01:55:04.819 --> 01:55:07.670 didn't start watching it till like halfway into that first season. 2491 01:55:07.710 --> 01:55:09.729 I'm like, I don't care about this. And then like 2492 01:55:10.390 --> 01:55:13.109 something I ended up watching when I'm like, these characters 2493 01:55:13.149 --> 01:55:15.989 are pretty well written. And then like, Sucked into that 2494 01:55:16.029 --> 01:55:19.449 first season and I'm like these are all really smart characters. 2495 01:55:19.729 --> 01:55:23.350 They all like Play it sort of like again. It's 2496 01:55:23.409 --> 01:55:26.500 sort of legit like this

is a ridiculous situation and 2497 01:55:27.369 --> 01:55:29.409 but I'm faced with it. How the hell do I 2498 01:55:29.430 --> 01:55:31.050 deal with it now? So it's like, we do have 2499 01:55:31.090 --> 01:55:36.510 a very real world approach to like these supernatural circumstances. 2500 01:55:36.609 --> 01:55:39.510 So it's worth watching. If people haven't checked it out, 2501 01:55:39.630 --> 01:55:42.010 I am going into this new season going, they found 2502 01:55:42.069 --> 01:55:44.560 a whole new way to up everything on this new one. 2503 01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:47.180 So it's, it's one that hasn't gotten a ton of talk, 2504 01:55:47.239 --> 01:55:48.920 but like, it's really well written. 2505 01:55:50.359 --> 01:55:54.199 Yeah, I think that's the one key also to the 2506 01:55:54.220 --> 01:55:57.460 superhero movies is saying the thing the audience member is 2507 01:55:57.479 --> 01:55:59.619 going to say as though you're a person but you 2508 01:55:59.659 --> 01:56:01.260 just happen to be this. 2509 01:56:01.279 --> 01:56:02.939 I think that was the Robert Downey Jr. 2510 01:56:02.960 --> 01:56:03.239 Thing. 2511 01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:03.319 100%. 2512 01:56:03.319 --> 01:56:05.850 He nailed it in that first one and we're like, 2513 01:56:05.859 --> 01:56:07.670 oh shit, we kind of need to do this. He 2514 01:56:07.689 --> 01:56:11.170 approached everything like a real smart-ass human being. And so 2515 01:56:11.289 --> 01:56:13.850 everything that he's faced with, he's saying the stuff that 2516 01:56:13.909 --> 01:56:16.729 you smart-ass person in the audience are also thinking to yourself. 2517 01:56:17.189 --> 01:56:19.010 it's just actually represented on the screen. 2518 01:56:19.029 --> 01:56:19.670 Right, right. 2519 01:56:19.750 --> 01:56:21.510 Everybody kind of took a note from that. 2520 01:56:21.590 --> 01:56:24.550 We got to the human darkness with the Batman, but 2521 01:56:24.609 --> 01:56:26.270 he never questions the costume. 2522 01:56:26.369 --> 01:56:26.569 Yeah. 2523 01:56:27.189 --> 01:56:29.510 Where, at some point, you get a line on, dang, 2524 01:56:29.930 --> 01:56:33.140 there's bats. I mean, there's bats here. I don't, it's 2525 01:56:33.229 --> 01:56:33.880 sort of odd. 2526 01:56:34.399 --> 01:56:37.119 I guess I need to wear this outfit. Why do 2527 01:56:37.140 --> 01:56:38.039 I have to talk like this? 2528 01:56:38.119 --> 01:56:38.840 I'm not sure. Yeah. 2529 01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:41.800 It seems a little odd. 2530 01:56:41.819 --> 01:56:42.590 I'm going to go ahead and. 2531 01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:43.840 No one's even in the room. Why am I still 2532 01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:44.880 talking like this? 2533 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:47.380 I'm the, That just seems like it's going to hurt 2534 01:56:47.579 --> 01:56:48.079 after a while. 2535 01:56:48.140 --> 01:56:50.039 After a while, you'd think you'd at least see him 2536 01:56:50.060 --> 01:56:52.340 back in the bat cage throwing in some lozenges

or 2537 01:56:52.380 --> 01:56:54.960 something and be like, oh, God, I've torn the hell 2538 01:56:54.979 --> 01:56:55.539 out of my voice. 2539 01:56:55.920 --> 01:56:57.779 And I can't tell in the new one. It feels 2540 01:56:57.800 --> 01:56:59.000 like they're keeping the voice. 2541 01:56:59.020 --> 01:57:00.319 I guess. 2542 01:57:00.859 --> 01:57:02.170 I mean, it would be okay if he had a 2543 01:57:02.270 --> 01:57:04.750 thing that changed your voice, like it was just like 2544 01:57:04.770 --> 01:57:08.090 a vocoder or something. Okay, well, he's just doing something 2545 01:57:08.109 --> 01:57:08.930 to mask his voice. 2546 01:57:09.229 --> 01:57:11.670 That's the, again, the interesting little thing they did with 2547 01:57:11.689 --> 01:57:12.449 that on the flash. 2548 01:57:12.649 --> 01:57:14.189 He can vibrate his vocal cords. 2549 01:57:14.470 --> 01:57:17.239 So he sounds like that. And it's a reason like it's, 2550 01:57:17.300 --> 01:57:19.399 he has a way to do that, that it's not 2551 01:57:19.439 --> 01:57:22.539 ridiculous that he's just doing a silly voice. So, I mean, 2552 01:57:22.579 --> 01:57:24.659 it is one of those things you have to look at, like, okay, 2553 01:57:24.699 --> 01:57:26.329 if he's one of the most famous people in the 2554 01:57:26.369 --> 01:57:29.430 world outside of the suit, How do you cover up 2555 01:57:29.489 --> 01:57:31.770 who he is when he's inside the suit? I mean, 2556 01:57:31.810 --> 01:57:34.149 it is an issue, but I think they took it 2557 01:57:34.170 --> 01:57:35.569 a little too far with the Christian Bale one. 2558 01:57:36.319 --> 01:57:36.760 Yeah. 2559 01:57:36.779 --> 01:57:38.119 The silly voice is just silly. 2560 01:57:38.479 --> 01:57:41.199 And also just the idea that Superman wears glasses like that. 2561 01:57:41.220 --> 01:57:46.520 That's always been silly. It's so weird. You look like somebody, 2562 01:57:46.539 --> 01:57:47.869 but I can't figure out who it is. 2563 01:57:47.859 --> 01:57:49.470 The guy that's on the cover of the newspaper. 2564 01:57:49.489 --> 01:57:51.210 You know the guy you spend an inordinate amount of 2565 01:57:51.270 --> 01:57:56.619 time talking about? Yeah. I'm not going to draw the conclusion, though. 2566 01:57:56.640 --> 01:57:59.539 I mean, it stumped me. But there's something about you. 2567 01:58:00.159 --> 01:58:02.600 And that's the great thing about the Iron Man thing, 2568 01:58:02.810 --> 01:58:07.010 where it's just like, no, I'm Iron Man. 2569 01:58:07.069 --> 01:58:10.029 Again, that was why that movie and that character became so... 2570 01:58:10.069 --> 01:58:13.220 so influential because it's like it's watching, okay, if you 2571 01:58:13.239 --> 01:58:16.220 were a superhero now in today's world, you'd have a 2572 01:58:16.279 --> 01:58:19.079 press conference and you would announce yourself as a superhero 2573 01:58:19.460 --> 01:58:21.800 because that's the way we work now. That's our society. 2574 01:58:21.819 -->

01:58:24.399 It's like, yes, look at me. Not only am I 2575 01:58:24.420 --> 01:58:26.340 the richest man in the world, I'm also the most powerful. 2576 01:58:26.579 --> 01:58:31.000 I know, I'm awesome. His character is... pretty pretty um 2577 01:58:31.420 --> 01:58:35.500 a good good window into the 21st century psyche. 2578 01:58:35.159 --> 01:58:37.500 Yeah yeah oh that's what i was gonna tell you 2579 01:58:37.520 --> 01:58:41.989 i think was i think favreau directs tarzan. 2580 01:58:42.710 --> 01:58:46.670 Okay again he's he's become an interesting director now you 2581 01:58:46.710 --> 01:58:48.470 didn't necessarily know where he was gonna go in that 2582 01:58:48.529 --> 01:58:51.460 mid part of his career but he's he's really kind 2583 01:58:51.500 --> 01:58:53.699 of stepped up and yeah he wants to do stuff 2584 01:58:53.739 --> 01:58:56.659 he cares about again and You see something like Chef 2585 01:58:56.699 --> 01:58:57.880 turned it around for him. 2586 01:58:57.939 --> 01:59:00.720 I would say if you haven't revisited Swingers in a while, 2587 01:59:00.819 --> 01:59:02.539 I highly recommend it. I watched it the other night. 2588 01:59:02.579 --> 01:59:03.239 It still holds up. 2589 01:59:03.239 --> 01:59:04.439 He started in a great place. 2590 01:59:04.520 --> 01:59:08.619 It was midway in. And just a little Hollywood. I'll 2591 01:59:08.640 --> 01:59:12.119 throw one little Hollywood behind-the-scenes tidbit. At the very end 2592 01:59:12.180 --> 01:59:16.239 when Vince is flirting with the girl, and then he's like, oh, 2593 01:59:16.430 --> 01:59:18.449 she don't know what she's doing. Oh, you want to 2594 01:59:18.489 --> 01:59:22.789 play baby games? That girl, I dated her. So there 2595 01:59:22.829 --> 01:59:23.109 you go. 2596 01:59:23.560 --> 01:59:25.199 Only movie geeks can you brag about. 2597 01:59:25.279 --> 01:59:30.600 Right. Maggie Corman, who was Zazu Petals in the, you know, 2598 01:59:30.619 --> 01:59:32.750 the Andrew Dice Clay movie. Yeah. Ford Fairlane. 2599 01:59:33.090 --> 01:59:33.409 Nice. 2600 01:59:33.689 --> 01:59:33.890 Yeah. 2601 01:59:34.489 --> 01:59:35.510 All right. 2602 01:59:35.529 --> 01:59:36.710 Well, we will wrap it up here. 2603 01:59:36.729 --> 01:59:39.670 We've definitely spiraled off in many directions. 2604 01:59:39.710 --> 01:59:42.960 We did. More importantly, though, you're on tour. You're out 2605 01:59:43.000 --> 01:59:46.060 in the world. You've got a renewed sense of comedy. 2606 01:59:46.079 --> 01:59:47.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Passion. Yeah. 2607 01:59:47.810 --> 01:59:49.590 Where can people go see you? Or what's the best 2608 01:59:49.630 --> 01:59:50.649 way to keep up with you? 2609 01:59:50.850 --> 01:59:53.310 You know, the best way, at Gregory Barron is my Twitter. 2610 01:59:53.729 --> 01:59:59.600 There's a Greg Barron Facebook page. I am the King 2611 01:59:59.619 --> 02:00:03.779 Sweater is my website. Or you can put in gregbarron.com 2612 02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:08.880 and it'll get you there. But Twitter is the best hub. 2613 02:00:09.319 --> 02:00:11.819 And then I'm constantly telling you where I am and 2614 02:00:11.850 --> 02:00:13.310 how you can find out more about me and what 2615 02:00:13.350 --> 02:00:15.270 I'm doing and the band and all that stuff, the 2616 02:00:15.310 --> 02:00:20.770 reigning monarchs. So, yeah, that's basically it. But my home, 2617 02:00:20.850 --> 02:00:23.449 I guess the home is the at Gregory Barron on Twitter. 2618 02:00:24.270 --> 02:00:25.470 Don't go there for great tweets. 2619 02:00:27.029 --> 02:00:30.420 Yeah, I hear people talk, especially comedians, talk about using 2620 02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:35.020 it and honing this one-sentence joke to put it out there. 2621 02:00:35.039 --> 02:00:36.359 And I'm like, I just put the link up for 2622 02:00:36.380 --> 02:00:38.939 the new episode. I don't even think about that kind 2623 02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:39.439 of stuff. 2624 02:00:39.460 --> 02:00:41.770 I had a good tweet a week and a half ago. 2625 02:00:42.619 --> 02:00:44.350 It's one of the best tweets I've ever had. I 2626 02:00:44.350 --> 02:00:48.069 think I'm retiring on it. As far as the comedy tweet, 2627 02:00:48.170 --> 02:00:52.590 I said, people keep saying I've just seen Creed, and 2628 02:00:52.810 --> 02:00:54.989 I keep saying, fuck, why? 2629 02:00:55.010 --> 02:00:56.109 I hate those guys. 2630 02:00:56.130 --> 02:00:58.729 And then I remember it's a movie. And that got 2631 02:00:58.770 --> 02:01:00.409 me a lot of retweets. So go back and go 2632 02:01:00.449 --> 02:01:02.899 retweet that. Go find that tweet. Retweet it for me. 2633 02:01:02.939 --> 02:01:05.640 Let's keep that out there. As Creed becomes... That's another 2634 02:01:05.699 --> 02:01:08.680 movie I wish I'd seen. I hear Stallone's amazing in it. 2635 02:01:08.800 --> 02:01:09.340 They're talking. 2636 02:01:09.479 --> 02:01:10.460 I love Michael B. Jordan. 2637 02:01:10.500 --> 02:01:11.600 Supporting actor nomination. 2638 02:01:11.739 --> 02:01:15.500 I love the wire. I love watching. I love seeing... 2639 02:01:15.819 --> 02:01:17.380 One of my favorite things in the whole world is 2640 02:01:17.420 --> 02:01:20.430 seeing anyone from The Wire in anything. I love that 2641 02:01:20.489 --> 02:01:21.289 cast so much. 2642 02:01:21.310 --> 02:01:22.510 They broke out into the world. 2643 02:01:22.569 --> 02:01:28.329 Omar's out there now, and he seems to be working 2644 02:01:28.350 --> 02:01:32.350 quite a bit. And if you saw Ant-Man, I don't 2645 02:01:32.369 --> 02:01:35.329 remember the actor's name, but Avon Barksdale is in Ant-Man, 2646 02:01:35.350 --> 02:01:38.140 which made me so happy. Such a pretty face, that guy. 2647 02:01:38.380 --> 02:01:43.640 And in Gotham... There's some guys from The Wire. That's 2648 02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:45.680 the other thing I love is that casting, you know, 2649 02:01:45.699 --> 02:01:48.720 those shows, those good shows. They

know they know guys 2650 02:01:48.760 --> 02:01:49.359 from The Wire. 2651 02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:52.619 Yeah, they find character actors. They're like especially those like 2652 02:01:52.739 --> 02:01:55.489 on other networks that like we don't have network money 2653 02:01:55.510 --> 02:01:57.390 and network money and what it used to be. So 2654 02:01:57.430 --> 02:01:59.449 like they're like, we're pretty far down. We don't have 2655 02:01:59.470 --> 02:02:02.430 a huge budget for major stars, especially in side roles. 2656 02:02:02.880 --> 02:02:05.939 But we can find these really great character actors that 2657 02:02:06.399 --> 02:02:09.699 know how to bring in awesome performances. They're doing it. 2658 02:02:09.739 --> 02:02:12.619 If you look at Gotham at the very first pilot, 2659 02:02:12.779 --> 02:02:17.789 the pilot, I mean, the dude from the OC is 2660 02:02:17.850 --> 02:02:20.289 not a star star. He's like a guy you know. 2661 02:02:20.409 --> 02:02:23.489 Donald Logue is probably the most seasoned actor on there. 2662 02:02:24.149 --> 02:02:29.340 But it's... Magnificent. That's also the good thing. There's not 2663 02:02:29.359 --> 02:02:31.600 enough money, so you can't hire the stars, so you're 2664 02:02:31.619 --> 02:02:33.050 getting to see more actors. 2665 02:02:33.149 --> 02:02:36.229 You just get better performances and not worried about who 2666 02:02:36.270 --> 02:02:36.829 the star is. 2667 02:02:37.409 --> 02:02:40.189 I just saw Trainwreck. That's what I was. I saw Trainwreck, 2668 02:02:40.310 --> 02:02:41.899 and I thought it was absolutely hilarious. 2669 02:02:42.680 --> 02:02:45.779 I've heard very mixed reviews. Everybody likes her, but everybody 2670 02:02:45.800 --> 02:02:48.079 likes her in general now. but I've heard it's a 2671 02:02:48.119 --> 02:02:52.600 little more, it's more of the Judd Apatow movie. And like, he's, 2672 02:02:53.060 --> 02:02:55.220 everybody seems to have more and more problems. Like each one, 2673 02:02:55.279 --> 02:02:57.939 everybody has more and more problems that he can't edit 2674 02:02:57.979 --> 02:03:00.970 to save his life anymore. Like they're all really long. 2675 02:03:01.529 --> 02:03:02.050 Here's the thing. 2676 02:03:02.069 --> 02:03:04.569 They take a serious turn, maybe more than they need to. 2677 02:03:04.609 --> 02:03:06.600 Sometimes I liked it. 2678 02:03:06.909 --> 02:03:10.260 It had a very corny romantic comedy ending. I'm just 2679 02:03:10.270 --> 02:03:12.880 going to say that if you think anything, if I'm 2680 02:03:13.020 --> 02:03:16.380 spoiler alert too late, uh, I watched it on an 2681 02:03:16.409 --> 02:03:18.579 airplane where I need it all the time. I wanted 2682 02:03:18.600 --> 02:03:20.779 the two hours and 20 minutes in a movie theater. 2683 02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:23.859 I would have been probably like, I gotta pee. But, uh, in, 2684 02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:26.739 in the, on the plane, it was perfect. Um, the 2685 02:03:26.779 --> 02:03:30.100 performances are amazing. Brie Larson is, that's another revelation. That 2686 02:03:30.140 --> 02:03:35.039 girl is fantastic. Um, LeBron is really good. 2687 02:03:35.479 --> 02:03:35.880 That's yeah. 2688 02:03:35.939 --> 02:03:37.399 Everybody's like, man, he's funny. 2689 02:03:37.430 --> 02:03:39.050 Like who knew he was funny? 2690 02:03:39.069 --> 02:03:41.329 He has a lot, like he's in it a lot 2691 02:03:41.449 --> 02:03:46.449 and he is really funny. And, and, uh, Yeah, I mean, 2692 02:03:46.590 --> 02:03:50.430 it was good, and Amy wrote it, and I'm a fan. 2693 02:03:50.789 --> 02:03:54.909 I just thought, yeah, I liked it. I was real, 2694 02:03:55.090 --> 02:03:57.520 I mean, you know, yes, I think, I feel the 2695 02:03:57.529 --> 02:04:00.699 same way about Judd. At least I feel like he, 2696 02:04:00.899 --> 02:04:04.060 and Colin Quinn is great in it. He just had some, 2697 02:04:04.539 --> 02:04:08.949 and Attell. It's great to see those guys, and So 2698 02:04:08.970 --> 02:04:11.760 I think it has some good moments. On an airplane, 2699 02:04:11.800 --> 02:04:14.439 it's perfect. If you have a flight, I highly recommend 2700 02:04:14.539 --> 02:04:17.479 Get Trainwrecked. You won't mind it because you need something 2701 02:04:17.500 --> 02:04:20.340 to go that long. Some things are just ready for 2702 02:04:20.359 --> 02:04:20.819 the plane. 2703 02:04:21.020 --> 02:04:22.920 Maybe he just needs to make more movies. 2704 02:04:23.289 --> 02:04:25.010 No, maybe you should just put him on planes. 2705 02:04:25.029 --> 02:04:27.989 Well, because, I mean, he's got, like, these really long things, 2706 02:04:28.029 --> 02:04:30.329 and he keeps putting in all these other performers that 2707 02:04:30.369 --> 02:04:32.439 are great, and, like, we want to see Colin. We 2708 02:04:32.449 --> 02:04:34.260 want to see all these other guys, like, maybe make 2709 02:04:34.340 --> 02:04:36.579 two movies, break it up, do more with him. Like, 2710 02:04:36.619 --> 02:04:39.079 he's just, he keeps trying to cram so much in them, 2711 02:04:39.119 --> 02:04:41.060 and then it's, like, three or four years before that 2712 02:04:41.100 --> 02:04:44.060 next one comes out, if it's ones he's directing. So it's, like, 2713 02:04:44.079 --> 02:04:47.539 maybe just shorten them and knock out one every two years. 2714 02:04:48.279 --> 02:04:48.479 Yeah. 2715 02:04:49.039 --> 02:04:51.140 I don't know. It's, like, it is an interesting, because 2716 02:04:51.159 --> 02:04:54.640 I think he came from Like Freaks and Geeks is amazing. 2717 02:04:55.000 --> 02:04:56.819 And I don't know that he's ever gotten as good 2718 02:04:56.859 --> 02:05:00.229 as that. Like I've been hit and miss even seeing 2719 02:05:00.270 --> 02:05:02.149 some of the ones along the way film wise, but 2720 02:05:02.189 --> 02:05:05.670 like that was so well written and so solid. And again, 2721 02:05:05.750 --> 02:05:08.729 he could like bring it in, in an hour

long episode, 2722 02:05:08.770 --> 02:05:11.479 you know? So it's like, maybe he'd had it right 2723 02:05:11.520 --> 02:05:13.539 the first time and now he just keeps piling too 2724 02:05:13.579 --> 02:05:14.460 much on each time. 2725 02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:16.739 But you know what it is, is that he had 2726 02:05:16.779 --> 02:05:21.260 Paul Feig. Yeah. And Paul Feig is fucking great. 2727 02:05:21.460 --> 02:05:24.350 Spy is, That's what I keep hearing. 2728 02:05:24.569 --> 02:05:25.489 Oh, my God. 2729 02:05:25.569 --> 02:05:27.250 Everybody said it. Oh, my God. 2730 02:05:27.390 --> 02:05:27.750 You know why? 2731 02:05:27.770 --> 02:05:29.850 It got glossed over when it came out because everybody's like, oh, 2732 02:05:29.909 --> 02:05:31.229 another dumb comedy. 2733 02:05:31.310 --> 02:05:33.649 No, he made an action movie. It is a straight up. 2734 02:05:33.770 --> 02:05:37.029 I just saw the trailer for the Grimsley Brothers, the 2735 02:05:37.050 --> 02:05:42.220 Grimsley Brothers, the Sacha Baron Cohen. Same thing. It is 2736 02:05:42.239 --> 02:05:44.260 an action movie. There's not even any question about it. 2737 02:05:44.340 --> 02:05:47.699 And she is playing it pretty straight. I mean, she's 2738 02:05:47.739 --> 02:05:49.119 doing what's being asked of her. 2739 02:05:49.140 --> 02:05:49.220 Yeah. 2740 02:05:49.890 --> 02:05:51.470 And what's being asked of her is absurd, and there's 2741 02:05:51.510 --> 02:05:54.989 absurd people in it. But it is shot and done. 2742 02:05:55.390 --> 02:06:00.949 It's so good. It's like The Incredibles, where you go, 2743 02:06:00.979 --> 02:06:02.520 this is an action movie. You can call it whatever 2744 02:06:02.529 --> 02:06:04.180 you want. This is a great action movie with a 2745 02:06:04.220 --> 02:06:08.439 great plot. She couldn't be funnier. Jason Statham is great. 2746 02:06:08.779 --> 02:06:13.029 Spy should have gotten more. She's the best. Yeah. She's amazing. 2747 02:06:13.489 --> 02:06:14.810 I think she's just top notch. 2748 02:06:14.970 --> 02:06:17.439 I don't think they're using her to her full ability. 2749 02:06:17.579 --> 02:06:19.279 I think she is such a great actress. 2750 02:06:19.300 --> 02:06:21.229 Well, you watch her in St. Vincent and you go, 2751 02:06:21.260 --> 02:06:22.340 she can go here too. 2752 02:06:22.579 --> 02:06:25.460 She's got so much potential that they're still just kind 2753 02:06:25.479 --> 02:06:27.199 of making her fall down a lot. And I'm like, 2754 02:06:27.279 --> 02:06:30.779 she's so much better than that. Yeah. She's funny. She's 2755 02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:34.180 got great comedic sense, but she's such a great actress, period. 2756 02:06:34.260 --> 02:06:37.199 Yeah. I recommend Spy to everybody if you blew it off. 2757 02:06:37.229 --> 02:06:39.369 I think you got to give it another shot. And 2758 02:06:39.409 --> 02:06:43.250 it's fucking thrilling. It's great. It's great. 50 Cent is 2759 02:06:43.310 --> 02:06:43.949 not that good, man. 2760 02:06:44.310 --> 02:06:45.829 He's not that great. 2761 02:06:46.149 --> 02:06:46.949 No, he's not that great. 2762 02:06:47.970 --> 02:06:48.260 All right, man. 2763 02:06:48.270 --> 02:06:49.649 We've got to wrap it up. I've got something coming up. 2764 02:06:49.909 --> 02:06:52.399 So, thank you for being here. Yeah, this has been great. 2765 02:06:52.520 --> 02:06:55.180 And definitely go hit your Twitter and find out where 2766 02:06:55.220 --> 02:06:56.350 you'll be next and go see him. 2767 02:06:56.760 --> 02:06:57.680 Thanks, man. 2768 02:06:58.039 --> 02:06:59.600 Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week. 2769 02:06:59.640 --> 02:07:01.020 Same Geek Feed. Thanks for listening. 2770 02:09:14.699 --> 02:09:16.489 But it's given me a real appreciation for everything. So 2771 02:09:16.569 --> 02:09:19.229 I'm like, it's kind of neat. 2772 02:09:21.470 --> 02:09:23.510 It does have to change your perspective, I would think. 2773 02:09:24.029 --> 02:09:28.180 Well, and everyone's been super kind to forget how good. 2774 02:09:30.000 --> 02:09:34.819 People are. When faced with a reason to be. Sometimes without, like, 2775 02:09:34.840 --> 02:09:37.659 a reason, people get out of that. And it's sad, 2776 02:09:37.729 --> 02:09:40.909 I think, that, like, you need a reminder to be like, oh, yeah, 2777 02:09:40.930 --> 02:09:42.329 you know, you don't have to be a dick all 2778 02:09:42.350 --> 02:09:42.710 the time. 2779 02:09:42.789 --> 02:09:44.569 Like, No, that's true. 2780 02:09:44.689 --> 02:09:47.850 You can actually be cool to people for no good reason, really. 2781 02:09:47.909 --> 02:09:50.409 But sometimes you need that weird little reminder. 2782 02:09:50.689 --> 02:09:52.850 It does. I mean, yeah, you're right. It takes shitty 2783 02:09:52.880 --> 02:09:53.979 things to bring people together. 2784 02:09:54.039 --> 02:09:56.859 This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown, produced and 2785 02:09:56.899 --> 02:10:00.159 edited by The Oddity Studios, with opening music performed by 2786 02:10:00.199 --> 02:10:02.960 The Empires. 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