บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Episode 71: First Time for Everything! with Collin Souter

00:04:43.310 that was even there. So we went through and explored 86 00:04:43.329 --> 00:04:48.129 that whole place. Went to lunch. I came out of lunch, 87 00:04:49.550 --> 00:04:52.709 had to go to the bathroom. We went to this 88 00:04:52.769 --> 00:04:55.610 fish place. It was good. I forget what it was called. 89 00:04:55.649 --> 00:04:58.709 What did you order? 90 00:04:58.730 --> 00:05:00.329 I personally ordered swordfish. 91 00:05:00.889 --> 00:05:01.910 I ordered swordfish. 92 00:05:02.069 --> 00:05:02.589 It was good. 93 00:05:04.300 --> 00:05:05.040 Were there eyes? 94 00:05:08.060 --> 00:05:08.279 No. 95 00:05:09.620 --> 00:05:10.779 I never ordered swordfish. 96 00:05:10.819 --> 00:05:12.439 I would never dare. 97 00:05:12.459 --> 00:05:17.180 No eyes. No eyes on it. 98 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:20.019 Yeah, it's a big fish. It's like a fillet. 99 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:22.399 Can I imagine the sword is part of it or no? 100 00:05:22.899 --> 00:05:24.360 No, there's no sword part of it. 101 00:05:25.379 --> 00:05:30.120 On the swordfish, there is. I'll just fully copy this. 102 00:05:30.750 --> 00:05:33.850 On the swordfish, yes, they have the thing. But not 103 00:05:33.910 --> 00:05:38.350 on when you're served it. It's a big fish. My 104 00:05:38.389 --> 00:05:46.790 knowledge of capturing, preparing, and serving swordfish comes entirely from RuneScape. Oh, 105 00:05:46.829 --> 00:05:47.529 that's I don't know. 106 00:05:48.529 --> 00:05:49.350 What does that look like? 107 00:05:49.689 --> 00:05:50.470 It looks like a sword. 108 00:05:51.610 --> 00:05:56.480 No, it looks like it was one of the best 109 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:02.839 things you could fish swordfish runescape. They look like a 110 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:04.439 low polygon pistol. 111 00:06:04.819 --> 00:06:05.500 Holy shit. 112 00:06:05.980 --> 00:06:09.329 OK, it doesn't look like a sword, but I guess 113 00:06:09.449 --> 00:06:11.230 I don't know if this is a thing, but you 114 00:06:11.269 --> 00:06:13.370 can wield it like a sword. I didn't know this. 115 00:06:13.470 --> 00:06:14.430 Maybe I've just never tried. 116 00:06:19.250 --> 00:06:20.370 Oh, yeah. 117 00:06:21.670 --> 00:06:26.279 Yeah. I used to catch.... 118 00:06:26.350 --> 00:06:27.980 Three over, one down. 119 00:06:28.149 --> 00:06:30.240 And I would catch lobsters. 120 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:33.360 Lobsters? 121 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:35.779 Okay. 122 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:37.839 Keep telling your story. I want to tell a story 123 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:40.819 about a different thing. 124 00:06:41.339 --> 00:06:44.839 So anyway, I went back to the bathroom of this 125 00:06:44.939 --> 00:06:48.209 place and I went to the bathroom. I had to 126 00:06:48.410 --> 00:06:50.089 go upstairs to this place. 127 00:06:51.430 --> 00:06:51.910 Bathroom. 128 00:06:52.470 --> 00:06:56.529 Went back downstairs outside of this candy shop. 129 00:06:58.310 --> 00:07:01.509 Wait, hold on. You're leaving mid-dinner

or dinner's done? You're 130 00:07:01.550 --> 00:07:02.209 at a different location. 131 00:07:02.230 --> 00:07:04.389 It was like lunchtime. It was probably 3 o'clock. 132 00:07:04.430 --> 00:07:06.189 You had swordfish for lunch. 133 00:07:06.910 --> 00:07:07.149 Yeah. 134 00:07:07.850 --> 00:07:10.250 Then you have to do sword shit. So you go 135 00:07:10.670 --> 00:07:12.300 upstairs to the restaurant. I didn't shit. 136 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:14.689 I didn't shit. That's a joke. 137 00:07:14.980 --> 00:07:16.019 Okay, so swordfish. 138 00:07:16.689 --> 00:07:22.990 I wasn't going to ask. 139 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:30.019 That's upstairs of the restaurant. I want all the details. Basically. 140 00:07:30.139 --> 00:07:33.480 It was like a mall next to it. 141 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:35.240 It was like on a wharf. 142 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.279 It was like on the water. So there's a lot 143 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.120 of little shoppy shoppies. I got you. 144 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:44.720 So now you go outside of the candy shop, which 145 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:48.620 is attached to or adjacent to this fish restaurant? 146 00:07:50.019 --> 00:07:52.750 I went to the indoor mall area. 147 00:07:52.769 --> 00:07:55.009 Which is separate from the restaurant. 148 00:07:55.329 --> 00:07:56.949 That's true. 149 00:07:57.050 --> 00:08:01.509 Upstairs. I went upstairs. I pissed. 150 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:06.560 I didn't need you to specify. 151 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:13.060 And then I went down the stairs back the way 152 00:08:13.139 --> 00:08:13.600 I came. 153 00:08:14.370 --> 00:08:17.290 In that time. Two minutes. 154 00:08:18.550 --> 00:08:23.160 Did you wash your hands? Sure. That's not a yes? 155 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:26.339 That's not a yes, of course, every time. Why would 156 00:08:26.379 --> 00:08:28.519 I even have to think about that? 157 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:30.680 And then I saw. 158 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:33.700 You deserve this for not washing your hands. 159 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:36.419 This lady goes, watch out. 160 00:08:38.409 --> 00:08:40.269 No, that's the worst thing you could do. 161 00:08:40.710 --> 00:08:43.029 I hate that. I hate that when people do not 162 00:08:43.370 --> 00:08:44.129 give you. 163 00:08:44.409 --> 00:08:46.309 She said, watch out. And I was mid-stride. 164 00:08:46.330 --> 00:08:47.730 No, you have to say the thing. 165 00:08:47.750 --> 00:08:49.149 I was mid-stride. 166 00:08:49.230 --> 00:08:50.169 She goes, watch out. 167 00:08:50.490 --> 00:08:50.830 Like this. 168 00:08:50.850 --> 00:08:52.590 He's not giving you actionable... She would have said. 169 00:08:52.649 --> 00:08:54.009 There's poop on the ground. 170 00:08:54.029 --> 00:08:55.529 Yes, there's shit on the ground. 171 00:08:56.129 --> 00:08:56.809 Don't step. 172 00:08:57.830 --> 00:08:59.549 El Bano. 173 00:08:59.570 --> 00:09:04.269 And so at the time, I went, whoa. Because I clapped. 174 00:09:04.330 --> 00:09:06.700 She clapped

right in it, right? She said, she said, 175 00:09:06.789 --> 00:09:10.629 she said, Watch out. 176 00:09:11.009 --> 00:09:15.830 And I looked, and I said, whoa. And at that time, I. 177 00:09:17.529 --> 00:09:22.460 Didn't recognize anything. I said, whoa, missed one. I went outside. 178 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.759 I saw my stepfather, and I said, whoa. I said, 179 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:29.500 first time for everything. And I was joking around. I said, 180 00:09:29.539 --> 00:09:32.250 first time for everything, like that. I said, first time 181 00:09:32.289 --> 00:09:33.490 for everything. 182 00:09:33.669 --> 00:09:37.750 Pause, pause, pause. I don't understand that. Why did you 183 00:09:37.990 --> 00:09:38.470 say that? 184 00:09:39.379 --> 00:09:42.019 I'd be i'd be like a stand-up bit i was 185 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:45.200 about to start everything but what. 186 00:09:45.070 --> 00:09:48.250 Does that mean you can say it five more times. 187 00:09:48.529 --> 00:09:51.870 You know she goes in shit just say shit just 188 00:09:51.909 --> 00:09:54.309 like shit just you go to him and go i 189 00:09:54.549 --> 00:09:58.470 almost stepped in shit but i avoided it first time for. 190 00:09:58.370 --> 00:10:01.759 Everything because it was because you've never stepped in shit 191 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:09.340 is the thesis statement here no it's not the stepping 192 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:13.519 it's the seeing you've never seen shit before I have 193 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:18.200 seen shit but um first time for what. 194 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:20.539 In the mall. 195 00:10:21.059 --> 00:10:26.779 Oh, it's inside? You're inside. And it's on the ground. 196 00:10:26.940 --> 00:10:27.600 It's like a Dr. 197 00:10:27.659 --> 00:10:29.159 Seuss thing. 198 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:32.899 I'm not picturing it happening inside. But it's happening inside. 199 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:35.179 Yeah. 200 00:10:35.230 --> 00:10:40.710 And I'm entering outside. To him. So you see it 201 00:10:40.769 --> 00:10:43.710 inside and you go, whoa. And then you go outside 202 00:10:43.730 --> 00:10:45.750 to Bill and you go, first time for everything. 203 00:10:45.769 --> 00:10:47.169 Right, right, right. 204 00:10:47.549 --> 00:10:49.710 And he says, what are you fucking talking about? Well, 205 00:10:49.730 --> 00:10:50.409 there was this lady. 206 00:10:50.429 --> 00:10:51.529 This is what happened. 207 00:10:51.549 --> 00:10:53.919 And he goes, did you step in it? And then 208 00:10:54.039 --> 00:11:04.500 I looked and I stepped in it. And then there 209 00:11:04.539 --> 00:11:08.429 was a fountain there. And people were looking at fucking 210 00:11:08.549 --> 00:11:11.269 sea lions and shit. And I'm trying to fucking wash 211 00:11:11.350 --> 00:11:13.490 off the shit off the chute. 212 00:11:16.169 --> 00:11:17.409 It was embarrassing. 213 00:11:17.570 --> 00:11:22.169 It was very embarrassing. It was very embarrassing. I mean, 214 00:11:22.830 --> 00:11:25.669 you were at a mall. There was a lot of 215 00:11:25.970 --> 00:11:28.429 stuff going on. 216 00:11:29.750 --> 00:11:33.350 Did you consider at this mall, was it a possibility 217 00:11:33.389 --> 00:11:35.649 that you could go, well, these are done. I'm buying 218 00:11:35.690 --> 00:11:36.210 brand new shoes. 219 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:39.100 No. 220 00:11:40.129 --> 00:11:41.509 Well, yes. Yes. 221 00:11:41.750 --> 00:11:42.409 I did consider. 222 00:11:42.509 --> 00:11:43.940 I did say, like, what do I do? 223 00:11:44.019 --> 00:11:48.070 Fucking just throw them out? And, like, walk with my sock. 224 00:11:51.149 --> 00:11:53.549 And to outbill, he was just like, yeah, just wash 225 00:11:53.570 --> 00:11:53.929 them off. 226 00:11:53.990 --> 00:11:57.590 It's all good. I was like, okay, whatever. 227 00:11:57.710 --> 00:11:59.980 And I just fucking washed them off. They are thrown 228 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:00.620 out by now. 229 00:12:01.169 --> 00:12:03.539 And you washed them off in a wishing fountain. 230 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:05.840 Basically, yeah. 231 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:07.100 Did you make a wish? 232 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:10.720 It never happens again. 233 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:15.399 Of course. I wish I never step in shit ever. 234 00:12:16.580 --> 00:12:19.620 It was like.... 235 00:12:20.429 --> 00:12:22.029 There's no way it was a dog. 236 00:12:22.049 --> 00:12:25.750 Tell me about that. Because I knew that detail. Why 237 00:12:25.789 --> 00:12:27.210 do you think it couldn't have been a dog? 238 00:12:27.990 --> 00:12:29.490 I think it was the structure. 239 00:12:30.649 --> 00:12:33.200 So it was not a very... It was like I've. 240 00:12:33.059 --> 00:12:35.299 Seen dog poop many times. 241 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:36.679 Yeah? 242 00:12:37.059 --> 00:12:37.820 This was like. 243 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:40.059 Dude, it was like three. 244 00:12:40.940 --> 00:12:41.519 It was like two. 245 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:42.419 I don't know. 246 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:44.950 You can make it up in the picture. 247 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:45.419 Christ. 248 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.120 I mean, you're asking me to tell you. 249 00:12:48.700 --> 00:12:52.120 No, I didn't. You can tell that it wasn't a 250 00:12:52.259 --> 00:12:56.649 dog shit. That doesn't mean give me a fucking photorealistic 251 00:12:56.750 --> 00:12:57.769 image of this shit. 252 00:12:59.169 --> 00:13:00.690 It's traumatizing, man. 253 00:13:00.710 --> 00:13:04.330 Yeah, that's true. Look, I have done plenty of trauma 254 00:13:04.370 --> 00:13:07.600 dumping and public processing on this show. I think it's 255 00:13:07.779 --> 00:13:08.460 only fair. 256 00:13:08.899 --> 00:13:11.659 I was disgusted. I was like, this vacation's ruined. I 257 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:13.019 was like, this is awful. 258 00:13:14.649 --> 00:13:18.009 How many more days were to follow? 259 00:13:19.250 --> 00:13:19.909 Like two. 260 00:13:20.649 --> 00:13:20.950 Okay. 261 00:13:21.269

--> 00:13:25.200 And you were a sour, sour shit. No, I was 262 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:30.860 only sour for like an hour. Sour for an hour. No, 263 00:13:31.539 --> 00:13:34.820 I shaped up pretty good. Pretty good. 264 00:13:35.490 --> 00:13:35.899 Pretty good. 265 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:37.909 Yeah. 266 00:13:37.929 --> 00:13:38.750 You like that one? 267 00:13:38.789 --> 00:13:39.090 Not bad. 268 00:13:39.370 --> 00:13:39.570 Yeah. 269 00:13:43.809 --> 00:13:46.529 Anyway, sorry, we don't talk about that very often. That 270 00:13:46.590 --> 00:13:49.090 was just an instance in my life that we had 271 00:13:49.629 --> 00:13:50.129 to bring up. 272 00:13:50.889 --> 00:13:52.629 Well, it's good that we talked about it because I didn't. 273 00:13:52.669 --> 00:13:55.250 We're not a toilet humor type of podcast. 274 00:13:55.700 --> 00:13:58.940 Not normally, no. In fact, we take a pretty harsh 275 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.600 stance against it anytime it comes up. 276 00:14:01.580 --> 00:14:06.159 In the movie. But when you step in it, it's... Yeah. 277 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:11.070 And it's like, okay, the story functions, and you sharing 278 00:14:11.110 --> 00:14:18.080 the story on a public platform function similar it's macrocosm 279 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.259 for the experience of stepping in the shit ruins your 280 00:14:21.340 --> 00:14:26.570 day but now it's everybody else's problem because you're tracking 281 00:14:26.649 --> 00:14:29.309 it and moving it and publicly i didn't get. 282 00:14:29.230 --> 00:14:31.889 That far i didn't get that far i guess i 283 00:14:31.929 --> 00:14:34.490 got like pretty much outside of that building and i 284 00:14:34.529 --> 00:14:35.169 was like. 285 00:14:35.789 --> 00:14:40.279 No On my shoe. 286 00:14:40.620 --> 00:14:41.600 And it was in the car. 287 00:14:41.700 --> 00:14:44.870 And for whatever reason, everyone was like, I didn't realize 288 00:14:44.909 --> 00:14:48.009 at the moment. Thank God I saw Bill. And I thought, 289 00:14:48.029 --> 00:14:50.909 thank God I made that joke. Because otherwise, I could 290 00:14:50.929 --> 00:14:52.710 have just said, oh, shit. 291 00:14:52.830 --> 00:14:54.860 And been like, oh, yeah, what an idiot. 292 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:56.879 By the time I got in the car, then everyone 293 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:58.500 was like, it smells like shit in here. 294 00:15:05.629 --> 00:15:07.590 Then I'd be pissed. 295 00:15:08.370 --> 00:15:13.080 Really pissed. So I'm happy I found it. 296 00:15:14.029 --> 00:15:17.460 It sucks when you're the victim of a shit and 297 00:15:17.500 --> 00:15:18.039 run like that. 298 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:19.539 A shit crime, yeah. 299 00:15:19.659 --> 00:15:21.899 A human one is pretty worse. 300 00:15:22.100 --> 00:15:26.519 If it was a dog, I'd be way less. The 301 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.870 fact that I think again, speculation. 302 00:15:32.009 --> 00:15:35.080 I stepped into Schrodinger's dog shit pretty recently where I

303 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.480 was home. I was coming home. I was not at home. 304 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:40.659 I was walking home having parked my vehicle and I 305 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:46.889 was like going to a mailbox and across the grass 306 00:15:46.929 --> 00:15:51.450 that was right next to the poop bags and the 307 00:15:51.490 --> 00:15:55.389 trash can. So I thought surely if there's anywhere where 308 00:15:55.409 --> 00:15:59.659 there's nobody leaving dog shit, it's in the immediate vicinity 309 00:15:59.779 --> 00:16:02.159 of the place to pick up and throw away. Yes. 310 00:16:04.950 --> 00:16:08.289 And so it's possible what I step in is like mud, 311 00:16:09.629 --> 00:16:13.580 but I do not, not fucking finding out. I have 312 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:15.980 no sense of smell. I'm almost completely smell blind. So 313 00:16:17.500 --> 00:16:20.539 verdicts out, like it either didn't really smell like shit 314 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:22.440 or it did. 315 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:23.000 And I couldn't tell. 316 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:28.230 So I'm just absolutely, you know, doing extreme. I brought 317 00:16:28.259 --> 00:16:30.769 them back to my apartment, but not inside my apartment. 318 00:16:30.789 --> 00:16:34.210 I brought them to the porch and I used water pressure. 319 00:16:34.690 --> 00:16:37.509 To blast that motherfucker. 320 00:16:38.110 --> 00:16:39.490 And then I cleaned the other shoe too so that 321 00:16:39.509 --> 00:16:42.429 they were both equally clean. 322 00:16:43.850 --> 00:16:44.309 Yeah. 323 00:16:44.429 --> 00:16:46.980 Using the fountain was not ideal. 324 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:48.720 But that had never happened to you before? That was 325 00:16:48.740 --> 00:16:49.519 the first time in your life? 326 00:16:49.539 --> 00:16:51.399 I've seen dog shit. 327 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:53.539 But just the human shit. 328 00:16:53.620 --> 00:16:54.879 Yeah. 329 00:16:55.340 --> 00:16:58.710 Listen, it's still up for grabs. It could have not been. 330 00:17:00.389 --> 00:17:01.889 Just the layout. 331 00:17:02.309 --> 00:17:06.109 I think if anyone in the world... knows it's you. 332 00:17:07.190 --> 00:17:08.650 You have the most information. 333 00:17:10.470 --> 00:17:12.970 I'm positive. A human did that shit. 334 00:17:14.690 --> 00:17:18.319 So did it feel like a shit? An intentional shit 335 00:17:18.339 --> 00:17:20.900 that someone took? Or did it feel like they maybe 336 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:22.319 didn't even know? 337 00:17:29.619 --> 00:17:31.079 I don't think it could have been a child. 338 00:17:33.910 --> 00:17:35.410 That does not answer the question. 339 00:17:35.650 --> 00:17:39.029 But I think a child would be a little bit 340 00:17:39.130 --> 00:17:39.910 more excusable. 341 00:17:40.009 --> 00:17:47.819 I mean... I don't think they intentionally shat there. But 342 00:17:49.180 --> 00:17:49.559 it's just. 343 00:17:49.819 --> 00:17:51.359 It was the very wrong place. 344 00:17:51.420

--> 00:17:55.819 It was right in the middle. Like center lane of 345 00:17:55.900 --> 00:18:00.460 this outdoor mall hallway. You would never expect. 346 00:18:00.990 --> 00:18:04.140 Do you think that you're on some hidden camera prank show? 347 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:09.519 Guy steps and shit? Then cleans it in the mall. 348 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.720 In my mind, you have climbed into the fountain, but 349 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:14.799 I'm guessing it wasn't that. 350 00:18:16.380 --> 00:18:19.460 Damn near close. Honestly, it could have been filming me 351 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:21.660 and it would have been funny because I was throwing 352 00:18:21.700 --> 00:18:23.519 my shoe around and I was really pissed. 353 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:24.420 And were you. 354 00:18:30.420 --> 00:18:33.880 There's so many little details that I'm like, I'm curious. 355 00:18:35.380 --> 00:18:39.559 Were you anxious at all cleaning the shit in the 356 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:44.920 public fountain that now you're doing a crime? It's not crime. 357 00:18:45.980 --> 00:18:49.819 You're putting shit into a fountain. It's not drinking a fountain. 358 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:56.509 It's like I'm in the watering. I think contaminating a fountain, 359 00:18:56.710 --> 00:18:59.630 they could find a way to book you. 360 00:19:00.309 --> 00:19:03.269 So I get in trouble and the person that shit. 361 00:19:02.930 --> 00:19:05.740 Didn't... They go, we don't know that you didn't take 362 00:19:05.779 --> 00:19:06.900 that shit and bring it over. 363 00:19:08.460 --> 00:19:08.599 Oh. 364 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:11.480 They go, we would have cleaned it up and our 365 00:19:11.740 --> 00:19:13.420 team would have handled it, but all we see is 366 00:19:13.779 --> 00:19:18.079 a grown-ass man bringing it into this fountain where people. 367 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:18.940 Are trying to throw the cage. 368 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:20.839 Everyone was very happy and fine. 369 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:25.220 But the thought didn't even cross your mind. That they 370 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:26.599 could pin this all on you. 371 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.859 Where else am I supposed to clean the fucking shit shoe? 372 00:19:30.980 --> 00:19:35.970 A restroom. The one that I stepped in the shit? 373 00:19:37.049 --> 00:19:41.589 It wasn't inside. Wait, okay, hold on. Hold on. Twist, 374 00:19:41.710 --> 00:19:44.190 are you revealing that the shit was on the ground 375 00:19:44.509 --> 00:19:45.390 in the restroom? 376 00:19:45.430 --> 00:19:48.279 No, on your way to the restroom. 377 00:19:48.299 --> 00:19:50.799 So then inside the restroom. 378 00:19:51.220 --> 00:19:59.380 Before going up the stairs past doors to a restroom. Downstairs. 379 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:09.589 Downstairs was the shit. So I went upstairs to the restroom. 380 00:20:10.049 --> 00:20:14.589 No shit downstairs. Came back down. Pissed. 381 00:20:15.670 --> 00:20:16.549 Again, pissed. 382 00:20:17.589 --> 00:20:21.990 Came back down. Shit in hallway. 383 00:20:22.130 --> 00:20:27.210 Lady goes, hey, watch out. And I go, whoa. 384 00:20:27.309 --> 00:20:30.490 And then once you stop, I go, whoa, that's crazy. 385 00:20:30.549 --> 00:20:36.329 I think I said, whoa, that's crazy. That's crazy. 386 00:20:37.150 --> 00:20:43.519 I went outside and. 387 00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:45.859 I saw the guy putting the paper towels on the shit. 388 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:48.140 I went outside. 389 00:20:48.220 --> 00:20:49.200 Wait, hold on. 390 00:20:49.460 --> 00:20:50.339 That's new. 391 00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:55.769 What guy is paper toweling it? He owned the shop. 392 00:20:55.789 --> 00:21:01.029 He owned the candy shop. He's just covering it up. 393 00:21:01.349 --> 00:21:03.730 He's not cleaning it up. He's just going, well, this 394 00:21:03.789 --> 00:21:04.869 is an eyesore. 395 00:21:04.990 --> 00:21:09.519 He was like, I can't have shit. I gotta put 396 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:10.650 paper towel over it. 397 00:21:13.099 --> 00:21:13.380 Yeah. 398 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.019 What the fuck? 399 00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:16.430 And I stepped in it. 400 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.099 But I didn't interact with any of those characters after. 401 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:22.859 I was already outside. 402 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.400 I never got to say I never got to say. 403 00:21:27.900 --> 00:21:32.029 I never got to say, hey, you know, I never 404 00:21:32.049 --> 00:21:33.670 got to say, hey, I stepped in it. 405 00:21:34.970 --> 00:21:37.950 Except to Bill. 406 00:21:38.349 --> 00:21:41.410 Why would you tell them that? Why would you go 407 00:21:41.470 --> 00:21:44.789 back to these? I would say, hey, I don't know. 408 00:21:44.809 --> 00:21:48.440 I'm the guy that did that footprint. 409 00:21:48.859 --> 00:21:53.259 But I'm not the guy that took the shit. Jesus Christ. 410 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:54.900 I'm sorry that this happened to you. 411 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:56.019 It was bad. 412 00:21:56.309 --> 00:21:59.269 And I'm glad that you're willing to self-flagellate and tell 413 00:21:59.349 --> 00:22:04.410 me and our audience. And that you had the restraint 414 00:22:04.450 --> 00:22:07.470 to not tell me when I joined the conference call 415 00:22:07.529 --> 00:22:09.089 earlier and heard the tail end of the story. 416 00:22:11.569 --> 00:22:19.579 I was pretty upset at the moment. We were in 417 00:22:19.619 --> 00:22:23.240 the water. I just took a few deep breaths. Shit happens. 418 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:27.480 You're right. that's the name of the episode. 419 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:29.559 I mean how. 420 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.859 Do you recover from that i i i do feel 421 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:35.380 like we have to vamp for at least a couple 422 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:39.769 minutes about anything that's not that yeah i think we 423 00:22:39.869 --> 00:22:40.539 owe it so. 424 00:22:40.380 --> 00:22:43.809 Yosemite is beautiful yeah

it's very nice i don't like 425 00:22:43.890 --> 00:22:45.710 heights is what i've. 426 00:22:45.569 --> 00:22:48.150 Learned very much oh really tell talk to me about that. 427 00:22:47.990 --> 00:22:51.650 I don't like like looking over the edge sure. 428 00:22:51.509 --> 00:22:53.549 Um it's a feeling that like kicked in you were 429 00:22:53.589 --> 00:22:56.950 like oh shit like i'm really i'm altitude. 430 00:22:57.210 --> 00:22:59.690 I think i've always had it a little bit but 431 00:22:59.730 --> 00:23:03.069 like i i don't i like roller coasters and like 432 00:23:03.089 --> 00:23:04.970 all that kind of stuff if i'm like locked up 433 00:23:05.809 --> 00:23:08.259 but i don't like like looking over an edge or 434 00:23:08.299 --> 00:23:13.220 like seeing people being very reckless like a bit like 435 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.480 like standing on the edge or whatever. 436 00:23:16.539 --> 00:23:17.619 Would you zipline or not? 437 00:23:17.740 --> 00:23:21.869 It makes me very... I've ziplined before. That's okay with me. 438 00:23:23.250 --> 00:23:24.109 I would never zipline. 439 00:23:24.549 --> 00:23:28.490 It's just like, looking down is so scary. Like on 440 00:23:28.549 --> 00:23:30.670 this one, the one on the right of me. Oh 441 00:23:30.710 --> 00:23:31.130 my god. 442 00:23:32.710 --> 00:23:34.390 How often do you find yourself on the roof of 443 00:23:34.450 --> 00:23:36.230 a building? Does that scare you? 444 00:23:37.250 --> 00:23:38.150 Yeah, I don't like that. 445 00:23:38.170 --> 00:23:38.690 You don't like that? 446 00:23:38.750 --> 00:23:41.549 I don't... I. 447 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.079 I don't want to be on the edge. I just 448 00:23:45.099 --> 00:23:48.740 don't want to be on the edge. Yeah, I think 449 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:53.900 there is a very specific instinctual thing that kicks in. 450 00:23:54.019 --> 00:23:54.279 You know? 451 00:23:54.299 --> 00:23:57.480 Oh, hey, you will die if you fall. I think 452 00:23:57.619 --> 00:24:00.619 your body knows when you go to a certain height 453 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:01.480 where if you fall, you die. 454 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:02.039 That's it. 455 00:24:03.380 --> 00:24:07.240 I mean, yeah. It's the truth. 456 00:24:09.009 --> 00:24:11.930 Yeah. And so, I don't know. It's very daunting. 457 00:24:11.970 --> 00:24:14.369 You feel very small in these kind of locations. 458 00:24:14.470 --> 00:24:15.109 I like that. 459 00:24:15.230 --> 00:24:17.819 Like, you feel like, oh my gosh, look how big, 460 00:24:17.990 --> 00:24:19.720 how tall that is, or how, whatever. 461 00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:22.779 You're out there in nature. Are you listening to. 462 00:24:22.779 --> 00:24:25.279 It's a very cool, like, perspective kind of thing. 463 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:28.519 Are you listening to, like, beautiful music when you're out 464 00:24:28.539 --> 00:24:30.779 in nature? Like, what's your go-to? Are you chatting up 465 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:31.200 the fam? 466 00:24:31.220 --> 00:24:34.779 Not really. It was just me and my brother probably, like, 467 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:36.240 exploring kind of thing. 468 00:24:36.500 --> 00:24:36.599 Yeah. 469 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:40.279 Jumping up on rats, going places we maybe shouldn't have gone. 470 00:24:40.299 --> 00:24:42.200 There's like. 471 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:44.619 I think nature is where you might step in some shit, 472 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.599 but instead it was the mall. 473 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:51.579 It's very funny that the mall did it, not Yosemite. 474 00:24:51.700 --> 00:24:53.279 Not at all. 475 00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:59.180 I guess, any thoughts on Yosemite Sam? I don't see... Okay, 476 00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:01.059 so he's Yosemite Sam. 477 00:25:01.220 --> 00:25:03.400 I don't see exactly why. 478 00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:07.839 I guess it's kind of close to the coast but 479 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.880 it's not really that close to the coast why is. 480 00:25:09.819 --> 00:25:14.140 It why if you call yosemite sam i mean it's 481 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:16.740 not that close to the coast we ended up going 482 00:25:16.789 --> 00:25:19.089 yeah no it just comes from the park uh it. 483 00:25:21.289 --> 00:25:26.849 That's it i mean this this gold rush kind of 484 00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:30.609 alliterative i mean it's kind of like it's it is 485 00:25:30.630 --> 00:25:37.819 but it isn't um It's like Yosemite Sam. 486 00:25:39.380 --> 00:25:40.220 It is a nickname. 487 00:25:43.349 --> 00:25:45.309 Weird. Do you like him? 488 00:25:45.329 --> 00:25:46.509 How do you feel about him? 489 00:25:47.630 --> 00:25:51.910 I like Yosemite Sam. I think I like all the 490 00:25:51.930 --> 00:25:55.390 Looney Tunes bad guys. 491 00:25:56.069 --> 00:25:59.700 I'm the opposite. I don't fuck with Yosemite Sam. I 492 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:02.670 don't fuck with Elmer Fudd. but that's because I'm a 493 00:26:02.710 --> 00:26:05.960 Bugs Bunny purist. These guys are going against my boy. 494 00:26:05.980 --> 00:26:08.180 I gotta hate him. Marvin Martian. 495 00:26:09.619 --> 00:26:13.740 Edge case, just like Daffy Duck. Oh, you consider Daffy 496 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:14.140 a villain? 497 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:16.880 He's an edge case. Sometimes he's in an antagonistic role, 498 00:26:16.900 --> 00:26:19.400 so sometimes I like him, sometimes I don't. Same with Marvin. 499 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.950 Yosemite Sam and Elmer Fudd, even when they're allies, I 500 00:26:23.970 --> 00:26:25.509 know they're true colors. I don't fuck with them. 501 00:26:26.190 --> 00:26:26.670 They're bad. 502 00:26:27.470 --> 00:26:29.390 They'll put them in a stew if nobody's scared of them. 503 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:33.299 Interesting. 504 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:35.039 I do have. 505 00:26:36.289 --> 00:26:40.329 There was no Yosemite Sam merchandise. I will say that. 506 00:26:41.890 --> 00:26:42.869 That's interesting. 507 00:26:42.930 --> 00:26:45.589

They're not pushing that. 508 00:26:48.410 --> 00:26:48.650 Okay. 509 00:26:49.549 --> 00:26:52.190 Missed opportunity. Maybe you can go into business. I do 510 00:26:52.210 --> 00:26:57.640 think we've successfully moved far away enough from the toilet humor. Yes. 511 00:26:57.660 --> 00:26:58.160 Okay. 512 00:26:58.180 --> 00:27:05.509 I didn't mean to. No, it's fine. It's totally fine 513 00:27:05.569 --> 00:27:06.750 to me. It's just a matter. 514 00:27:07.049 --> 00:27:08.369 It's a real life story. 515 00:27:08.390 --> 00:27:09.910 I did. 516 00:27:10.210 --> 00:27:13.619 To me, it's just a matter of, you know, not 517 00:27:13.630 --> 00:27:18.140 an ideal introduction. So you want to be able to, 518 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.779 you know, smooth things over. And I'm glad that we 519 00:27:21.819 --> 00:27:24.000 talked about it. You need to get off your chest 520 00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:24.680 and off your shoes. 521 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:28.500 One shoe. One shoe, really. One shoe. 522 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:32.200 So our guest this week is a renowned film critic. 523 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:35.079 You can find his work on RogerEbert.com. He is a 524 00:27:35.140 --> 00:27:38.960 Motorama enthusiast just like us. He has a couple of 525 00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:40.619 different shows that we're going to be learning more about. 526 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.279 So please welcome to the show here to help us 527 00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:47.220 review Minute 71 of Motorama. Can I stretch this intro 528 00:27:47.299 --> 00:27:49.680 out just a little bit longer? Colin Suter. 529 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:51.359 Thank you very much. 530 00:27:52.059 --> 00:27:52.880 This is exciting. 531 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:57.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you read my review on Letterboxd 532 00:27:57.539 --> 00:28:00.849 and you did... I heard that and you're like, we'd 533 00:28:00.890 --> 00:28:02.119 love to have you on the show. And that was 534 00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:04.259 like months ago. And I was like, I don't have 535 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.799 time to do another podcast right now. I have too 536 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.779 much going on, but I'd love to do this someday. 537 00:28:10.059 --> 00:28:13.160 And then, uh, yeah, now the day has come and 538 00:28:13.339 --> 00:28:15.539 the day has come and I get minute 71. I'm 539 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.599 so excited to see, I think I know what minute 540 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.329 71 might be, but, uh, I don't know. I'm, I'm excited. 541 00:28:23.299 --> 00:28:23.859 I love that. 542 00:28:23.900 --> 00:28:26.000 So, so I guess Colin, let's, let's kick off with like, 543 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.519 talk to us about your history with Motorama specifically. When 544 00:28:29.539 --> 00:28:31.039 was the first time that you watched this movie? How 545 00:28:31.059 --> 00:28:31.589 did you find it? 546 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.849 I first heard about it. Uh, so some context for 547 00:28:35.880 -->

00:28:39.089 your listeners, I'm 53 years old. So I graduated high 548 00:28:39.109 --> 00:28:42.210 school in 91. So in, in film school, like I 549 00:28:42.230 --> 00:28:45.849 went to Columbia college in Chicago, uh, and in, in 550 00:28:45.910 --> 00:28:51.640 the fall of 91 freshman year. And, um, remember being 551 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.920 on a lunch break and opening up the Chicago reader 552 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.740 and reading about the Chicago international film festival that happens 553 00:28:56.819 --> 00:29:00.309 every year in October and seeing a picture of a 554 00:29:00.369 --> 00:29:02.119 kid with an eye patch or that angry look on 555 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.170 his face. I'm going, what's this movie. This looks cool. And, uh, 556 00:29:05.420 --> 00:29:08.130 it was Motorama. And I was like, and, and that 557 00:29:08.190 --> 00:29:11.150 first thing I noticed in the blurb about it, uh, 558 00:29:11.170 --> 00:29:13.670 was that it was written by Joseph minion who wrote 559 00:29:13.950 --> 00:29:17.230 after hours, which is my favorite Scorsese movie. That was 560 00:29:17.269 --> 00:29:20.829 a movie that changed the way I watch movies. Like, 561 00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:25.480 You know, I started paying attention to cinematography, to editing, 562 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.779 to music choices, to, you know, rhythm and stuff like 563 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:31.569 that because of that film. So it means a lot 564 00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:33.490 to me. And I hadn't seen the name Joseph Minion 565 00:29:33.529 --> 00:29:38.299 on a poster since Vampire's Kiss. And um so okay 566 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:40.440 that's cool and then uh so it's like and it 567 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.000 features drew barrymore meatloaf susan tyrell i'm like whoa whoa 568 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:46.559 whoa okay hold on hold on this is i gotta 569 00:29:46.579 --> 00:29:48.849 find this movie i gotta see this because i was 570 00:29:49.009 --> 00:29:52.049 also a um i was also a rocky horror person 571 00:29:52.069 --> 00:29:54.519 at the time And I was in one of the 572 00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:56.940 shadow casts. For people who don't know, we go to 573 00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.309 Rocky Horror. There's people who perform the movie in front 574 00:29:59.329 --> 00:30:02.589 of the screen. I was one of those people. And 575 00:30:02.609 --> 00:30:05.029 I was with a lot of Rocky Horror maniacs who 576 00:30:05.049 --> 00:30:09.269 wanted to know everything about every actor in the film. 577 00:30:09.329 --> 00:30:14.009 And Meatloaf is one of those people. And then Susan Tyrell, 578 00:30:14.049 --> 00:30:17.089 that was exciting to me because through Rocky Horror, I 579 00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:20.950 discovered this other movie called Forbidden Zone. You guys heard 580 00:30:20.990 --> 00:30:22.009 of Forbidden Zone? Seen it? 581 00:30:22.910 --> 00:30:24.269 I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard about it 582 00:30:24.329 --> 00:30:28.579

pretty recently. So it's been on my radar. 583 00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:32.740 It's a crazy, crazy movie. You almost have to dare 584 00:30:32.779 --> 00:30:37.240 people to watch it. But if you have a strong 585 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.380 stomach for like John Waters and camp and stuff like that, 586 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.259 you're probably fine. And she's in that movie and she's 587 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.180 great in it. She's hilarious. And so I'm like, I 588 00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:50.210 got to see this movie. And it was at the 589 00:30:50.250 --> 00:30:52.829 festival and I couldn't get to the Chicago international film 590 00:30:52.849 --> 00:30:55.170 festival for some reason. Now it was downtown. I lived 591 00:30:55.210 --> 00:30:57.930 in the suburbs trying to get to it seemed too intimidating. 592 00:30:58.049 --> 00:30:59.869 And I just, I couldn't go see it, but I'm 593 00:30:59.910 --> 00:31:02.609 like a mental note, got to keep an eye out 594 00:31:02.630 --> 00:31:06.670 for this movie called motorama. And a couple of years later, 595 00:31:06.730 --> 00:31:11.319 I'm guessing. two years later, uh, working at a video store. 596 00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:13.140 I'm not sure which one. Cause I worked at a 597 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:16.240 bunch during the nineties and, um, like we got a 598 00:31:16.269 --> 00:31:20.049 little pamphlet for Motorama coming out on video. Like, Oh, 599 00:31:20.190 --> 00:31:20.730 this movie. 600 00:31:20.789 --> 00:31:21.009 Yes. 601 00:31:21.150 --> 00:31:21.730 Okay, cool. 602 00:31:21.930 --> 00:31:22.000 Oh. 603 00:31:22.049 --> 00:31:24.869 And it's being released through, uh, Columbia or Sony or 604 00:31:24.890 --> 00:31:27.450 whatever on their, on their home video label. Okay, great. 605 00:31:28.569 --> 00:31:35.130 Finally got it and watched it. And I was like, uh, um, uh, uh, okay. Okay. Uh, 606 00:31:35.150 --> 00:31:40.059 I gotta watch this again. it was, uh, and I did, 607 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.619 I watched it many times and I showed it to 608 00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:45.579 friends and they're like, what, what, what, what is this? 609 00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:48.019 What can we watch it again? Like, yeah, yeah, we should, 610 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.200 we should watch it again. And we still don't know. 611 00:31:50.529 --> 00:31:55.069 We still don't get it. Um, so, uh, so yeah. So, 612 00:31:55.170 --> 00:31:58.829 and then I kind of, uh, just forgot about it 613 00:31:58.890 --> 00:32:01.609 for a while. I had it on a VHS tape. 614 00:32:01.670 --> 00:32:03.670 I don't know where that tape went. I'm sure I, 615 00:32:03.789 --> 00:32:05.869 when I got rid of my VHS tapes, I probably 616 00:32:05.890 --> 00:32:08.869 got rid of that one thinking something stupid, like, Oh, 617 00:32:08.869 --> 00:32:12.250 I'll get it on DVD. I never did. And, uh, 618 00:32:12.309 --> 00:32:15.349 so I don't own it, unfortunately. Um, but I do 619 00:32:15.390 --> 00:32:22.519 have still video store poster that I have not opened 620 00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:26.400 in about 30 years. So I don't know what it 621 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:30.819 looks like. And, uh, It's got no pinholes in it. 622 00:32:30.829 --> 00:32:32.059 So I guess I never put it up, but it 623 00:32:32.099 --> 00:32:34.079 does have a rip. So let's see here. 624 00:32:34.099 --> 00:32:36.420 Holy shit. 625 00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:39.920 Wait to get their driver's license. 10 year old Gus didn't. 626 00:32:41.019 --> 00:32:44.180 That's a better tagline than any that actually are on 627 00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:45.019 the home video release. 628 00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:49.920 Yeah. Look at that. Ultimate road odyssey from the writer 629 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.349 of after hours. They put right at the bottom under 630 00:32:52.390 --> 00:32:55.529 the title. Wow. That's really awesome. No trace of Drew 631 00:32:55.549 --> 00:32:59.329 Barrymore except for her name there. Yeah, you're right. A 632 00:32:59.369 --> 00:33:02.400 lot of the promo stuff had her front and center on. 633 00:33:02.420 --> 00:33:05.460 I'm pretty sure that video pamphlet had Drew Barrymore in 634 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:06.099 the hula skirt. 635 00:33:06.579 --> 00:33:09.400 Yeah, they were trying to sell it as a romance, 636 00:33:09.500 --> 00:33:13.000 but I don't think that's fitting at all. But that 637 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:13.839 poster is awesome. 638 00:33:14.180 --> 00:33:15.200 Yeah, that's pretty nice. 639 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:16.019 Way better. 640 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.890 So fast forward 30-some years, and here I am on 641 00:33:22.910 --> 00:33:26.740 a podcast talking about this movie. that I thought nobody 642 00:33:26.779 --> 00:33:29.180 else was ever going to hear about. So I'm excited 643 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:30.079 you guys are doing this. 644 00:33:31.769 --> 00:33:35.430 It's important critical work, you know? It is. 645 00:33:35.650 --> 00:33:38.170 And I love the idea of breaking down a movie 646 00:33:38.450 --> 00:33:44.730 minute by minute. I mean, there was a class I 647 00:33:44.789 --> 00:33:51.299 took at Columbia College called Visual Analysis. And one of 648 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:51.740 the things. 649 00:33:52.690 --> 00:33:52.890 the. 650 00:33:52.829 --> 00:33:55.410 Structure of the class was that you are watching a 651 00:33:55.430 --> 00:34:00.329 movie and dissecting it visually. So in the semester, we, 652 00:34:00.789 --> 00:34:05.400 we dissected two movies, blue velvet and rear window. Okay. 653 00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:09.300 We have a lot in common. And so the first 654 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.019 thing we did, so I think we did blue velvet first, 655 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:13.579 or maybe I don't know which one we did first, 656 00:34:13.659 --> 00:34:17.559 but we watch the movie straight through in one period. 657 00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:22.590 And then over the next like six or seven weeks, we, uh, 658 00:34:22.659 -->

00:34:26.500 look at 15 minutes of the film and watch it 659 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.539 without sound. So you have to like, you know, we 660 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.260 know the movie, we watched it. Now we're going to 661 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.019 watch 15 minutes of it without sound. And then we're 662 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.059 going to go back to the beginning of that 15 663 00:34:37.059 --> 00:34:39.570 minutes and just go through shot by shot. And if 664 00:34:39.610 --> 00:34:44.070 you see something, you hit, you say, pause that angle 665 00:34:44.130 --> 00:34:46.449 right there. Like, I love the way, you know, and 666 00:34:46.510 --> 00:34:51.380 you just, you can, you can, uh, free form associate, whatever, uh, 667 00:34:52.059 --> 00:34:54.320 to the point of absurdity and it's all good. Like 668 00:34:54.380 --> 00:34:57.579 it's all everything, every opinion, every idea about that shot 669 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:01.369 with that, with that, with that, with that duck and 670 00:35:01.389 --> 00:35:05.010 the answering machine or whatever in this frame is whatever 671 00:35:05.050 --> 00:35:10.690 your interpretation of that symbolically, metaphorically, whatever it's, it's all good. 672 00:35:10.769 --> 00:35:12.690 And it is a lot of fun and it's a 673 00:35:12.730 --> 00:35:17.659 great way to sort of look at a movie visually 674 00:35:17.739 --> 00:35:20.460 and see like, could you, could you follow this movie 675 00:35:20.500 --> 00:35:23.639 with the sound turned down? If so, then this director 676 00:35:23.659 --> 00:35:27.079 made a great film or is at the very least 677 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.699 a great director who knows how to tell a story visually. 678 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.920 And if you watch Blue Velvet or Rear Window, and 679 00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.230 I'm sure a bunch of other movies, with the sound 680 00:35:36.250 --> 00:35:40.269 down and you can follow it, it's a really interesting 681 00:35:40.309 --> 00:35:42.010 and fun experience. I don't think it would work with 682 00:35:42.050 --> 00:35:48.480 Motorama because so much of, Motorama is established verbally. The 683 00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:51.659 fact that the adults can see Gus as an adult 684 00:35:51.699 --> 00:35:53.639 and not a kid, we would never get that visually. 685 00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:58.840 But that's okay. I think this is a perfect movie 686 00:35:58.929 --> 00:36:01.389 for this minute-by-minute format. 687 00:36:02.969 --> 00:36:04.489 And I totally agree with what you're saying in terms 688 00:36:04.550 --> 00:36:07.070 of going through that exercise and being able to watch 689 00:36:07.110 --> 00:36:10.150 a film on mute and still being able to follow 690 00:36:10.190 --> 00:36:13.690 it is a testament to that visual directing. And you 691 00:36:13.730 --> 00:36:16.829 can really... evaluate whether it can do that if you 692 00:36:16.869 --> 00:36:18.929 have seen it with the audio. 693 00:36:20.110 --> 00:36:20.659 I

did that. 694 00:36:22.860 --> 00:36:25.659 Not terribly recently, but at one point last year, I 695 00:36:25.659 --> 00:36:28.800 think it was last year, when I was flying back 696 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:34.119 from New York to California, my phone was dying or whatever. 697 00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:36.719 I didn't have Wi-Fi and the flight didn't have anything. 698 00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:40.300 I only had the in-flight entertainment, the screen on the 699 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:41.389 back seat in front of me. 700 00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:42.820 I had my AirPods. 701 00:36:44.550 --> 00:36:48.079 I didn't have any traditional auxiliary audio to hear it. 702 00:36:48.489 --> 00:36:51.019 And they weren't giving them out. So I was like, 703 00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:54.119 what can I watch? And none of the movies had 704 00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:57.059 subtitles for whatever reason, which was a whole separate extra 705 00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:58.579 can of worms. So I was like, what can I 706 00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:00.440 watch that I'm not just going to be ignoring? 707 00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:04.940 Just a moving painting. Exactly. 708 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.219 I thought, of course, of every frame of painting. And 709 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:08.739 I was like, well, I'm going to watch a movie 710 00:37:08.780 --> 00:37:11.630 that I love, that I will really commit to watching, 711 00:37:12.190 --> 00:37:16.300 and that I will actually get true joy out of 712 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:20.019 spending three hours staring at the film on mute and 713 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.460 I went with Blade Runner 2049 and it was truly 714 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.139 one of my favorite times watching the film for exactly 715 00:37:25.179 --> 00:37:27.260 that reason Colin like yes I've seen it a million 716 00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:32.250 times but like every beat of the story was conveyed 717 00:37:32.550 --> 00:37:36.590 visually sometimes on a little bit delayed gratification because of 718 00:37:36.610 --> 00:37:38.389 like the clues of the mystery or whatever but like 719 00:37:38.409 --> 00:37:40.190 I knew it I could follow. 720 00:37:40.110 --> 00:37:42.349 It yeah yeah yeah that's great. 721 00:37:44.170 --> 00:37:46.250 I made that flight. Half the flight went by with that. 722 00:37:46.269 --> 00:37:49.070 I was like, all right, cool. 723 00:37:49.250 --> 00:37:53.510 I love that we get in-flight individual screens now that 724 00:37:53.530 --> 00:37:59.210 we can use. It was funny. My last trip out 725 00:37:59.230 --> 00:38:01.389 of the country was to New Zealand with my wife. 726 00:38:01.469 --> 00:38:03.179 It was our honeymoon. It was a couple years ago. 727 00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:08.440 It was fantastic. Like you, on my vacation, I learned 728 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:13.489 that I did not like heights anymore. And So I'm 729 00:38:13.570 --> 00:38:15.610 on a plane and I'm sitting in the aisle seat 730 00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:18.219 and I can see the screens at the very front 731 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:21.679 of the cabin of the people in the middle front row. 732 00:38:21.699 --> 00:38:23.659 And I can see the screen that's all the way 733 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.239 on the right. And there's a guy sitting there and 734 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.050 he's got his little daughter sitting next to him and 735 00:38:28.070 --> 00:38:32.380 she's got her screen watching Bluey or something like that. And, uh, I, 736 00:38:32.659 --> 00:38:34.940 I watch him just, I just like, I'm sitting there 737 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:36.820 doing nothing. I'm just kind of like looking and he, 738 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:38.900 and I see that he put, puts on a movie. 739 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:40.280 I didn't see what it was, but I see the 740 00:38:40.619 --> 00:38:43.179 eight 24 logo come up like, Ooh, let's me see 741 00:38:43.219 --> 00:38:45.059 how long I can see how long it takes before 742 00:38:45.099 --> 00:38:48.980 I can get what movie he's watching. And, um, I, 743 00:38:49.219 --> 00:38:50.940 I didn't quite, it wasn't quite getting it, but I 744 00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:52.780 was like, I know I've seen this. What is this? 745 00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:54.380 What is he watching? And then the title came up 746 00:38:54.420 --> 00:38:58.239 and it was the whale. You're going to watch The 747 00:38:58.260 --> 00:39:01.440 Whale on a flight. You're going to watch The Whale, 748 00:39:01.500 --> 00:39:05.840 the Brendan Fraser thing, where he's like 600 pounds and 749 00:39:05.860 --> 00:39:07.739 then naked on top of that. You're going to watch 750 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.289 that on a plane where everyone can see it, including 751 00:39:10.309 --> 00:39:13.409 your daughter. It's like, what are you thinking, dude? 752 00:39:13.429 --> 00:39:16.010 It's an interesting family trip movie. 753 00:39:16.389 --> 00:39:18.949 There are some movies that I do think the distributors 754 00:39:19.030 --> 00:39:22.469 license to the airlines as like, Not quite a lark, 755 00:39:22.510 --> 00:39:24.789 but they're like, dare you no one's gonna watch this 756 00:39:24.869 --> 00:39:26.690 but we can't might as well give them the. 757 00:39:26.769 --> 00:39:37.690 Option well because. 758 00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:36.460 Again there's no censorship like you could watch no well. 759 00:39:36.579 --> 00:39:41.039 Sometimes they are edited but you you not not. 760 00:39:40.900 --> 00:39:43.829 Heavily No, I watched The Shining on the way there. 761 00:39:43.849 --> 00:39:47.539 That wasn't edited. I watched a movie, a New Zealand 762 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:50.840 movie called Once Were Warriors, which has some pretty brutal 763 00:39:51.099 --> 00:39:57.619 domestic abuse scenes in it, and that wasn't... Rarely, if ever, 764 00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:02.550 but they sometimes... It's pretty interesting now, versus what it 765 00:40:02.630 --> 00:40:04.110 used to be, when we all had to watch the 766 00:40:04.150 -->

00:40:05.929 movie no matter what it was, and then it was 767 00:40:05.949 --> 00:40:07.469 going to be edited no matter what it was. 768 00:40:07.510 --> 00:40:07.829 Yeah. 769 00:40:07.849 --> 00:40:10.710 Titanic. Titanic. 770 00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:18.380 Sorry it's like disaster movies yeah right i. 771 00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:21.599 Also feel like i wouldn't mind for all the things 772 00:40:21.619 --> 00:40:24.960 that we're like doing algorithmically there should absolutely be a 773 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:27.539 function where it goes okay you have about this much 774 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.960 time in your flight knowing when we're going to tell 775 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.340 you you can't uh really be you know watching in-flight 776 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.449 entertainment this is our a playlist that will last you 777 00:40:37.489 --> 00:40:40.030 that duration a movie and a show or a movie 778 00:40:40.070 --> 00:40:42.730 and a short, whatever they can do to, to get 779 00:40:42.829 --> 00:40:45.860 close to that time. I think we have the technology that, 780 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:54.059 that God forbid we make anybody's flight more enjoyable. So Colin, 781 00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:55.219 I want to ask you, I want to tee up 782 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:57.760 talking about Christmas movies actually, but do you have a 783 00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:59.539 favorite minute of any Christmas movie? 784 00:41:01.210 --> 00:41:04.929 Oh God, a favorite minute of any Christmas movie. Um, 785 00:41:06.489 --> 00:41:09.869 I don't know how long this scene is. The first 786 00:41:09.889 --> 00:41:13.769 thing that popped into my brain, uh, it's probably, it's, 787 00:41:13.889 --> 00:41:15.809 it's a long scene, so it's not a minute, but 788 00:41:15.969 --> 00:41:18.570 there's moments in it where I'm like, this is, this 789 00:41:18.630 --> 00:41:21.739 is why I love this movie. Uh, is this film, uh, 790 00:41:22.489 --> 00:41:27.059 that needs a Blu-ray, uh, called the ref with Dennis 791 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:31.500 Leary and unfortunately Kevin Spacey and, uh, and Judy Davis. 792 00:41:32.449 --> 00:41:37.869 It is probably my favorite Christmas movie ever. And it 793 00:41:37.969 --> 00:41:42.449 is kind of a dysfunctional family movie. But I don't 794 00:41:42.469 --> 00:41:45.389 know if you're familiar with it at all. But Dennis 795 00:41:45.429 --> 00:41:48.329 Leary is a thief and he has to hide him 796 00:41:48.630 --> 00:41:53.719 and his partner have to separate because the heist went wrong. 797 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.099 They're stealing the diamonds out of this rich person's house. 798 00:41:56.500 --> 00:41:58.099 And so he has to hide in this couple's house. 799 00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.579 And it's played by Kevin Spacey and Judy Davis. And 800 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.519 they are a bickering couple. couple who are going or 801 00:42:03.860 --> 00:42:06.480 like divorce therapy and everything like that they hate each 802 00:42:06.579 --> 00:42:08.880 other but they're they're stuck with each other and it's 803 00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:11.500 christmas eve and and her and and the in-laws are 804 00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.139 coming over and then all of a sudden dennis leary 805 00:42:14.179 --> 00:42:16.480 shows up and he's got to like take them hostage 806 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.719 or you know have them at gunpoint like he needs 807 00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:20.670 just to he just needs to use the house to 808 00:42:20.730 --> 00:42:24.909 stay to have somewhere to stay until like the the 809 00:42:24.969 --> 00:42:29.280 police aren't on his trail anymore And it's, it is 810 00:42:29.380 --> 00:42:31.500 one of the, it is one of the tightest, sharpest, 811 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:36.269 funniest scripts ever written. And there's a scene towards the 812 00:42:36.349 --> 00:42:39.489 end where the, all the in-laws are decided let's go 813 00:42:39.590 --> 00:42:42.250 open presents because the room is too tense right now. 814 00:42:42.309 --> 00:42:44.449 Everybody's hating each other. Let's just open presents and see 815 00:42:44.469 --> 00:42:46.239 if we can get some joy. And of course it, 816 00:42:46.409 --> 00:42:50.469 it backfires and everybody is just at each other's throats again. 817 00:42:50.769 --> 00:42:56.300 And yeah, it's there that, that, that sequence, I know there's, I, 818 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.199 isolate a few lines of dialogue that are just razor 819 00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:04.530 sharp uh that i would do that i would butcher 820 00:43:04.570 --> 00:43:08.590 if i tried to like uh say them here and 821 00:43:08.750 --> 00:43:10.449 and and try to make them funny it won't be 822 00:43:10.489 --> 00:43:13.659 funny you got to watch the movie uh the one 823 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.679 from 1994 uh probably has my favorite minute or five 824 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:21.039 minutes or whatever of of any christmas movie I'm sure 825 00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:24.030 there are others. I know as soon as I log 826 00:43:24.110 --> 00:43:25.989 off of here, I'm going to feel like, oh, wait, no, 827 00:43:26.030 --> 00:43:28.150 there's that scene. Oh, I should have said that. 828 00:43:28.750 --> 00:43:33.199 I've never seen this. 829 00:43:35.260 --> 00:43:38.880 It's written by Richard LaGrovenese, who wrote The Fisher King, 830 00:43:38.900 --> 00:43:44.139 and that's what got my attention. what got my attention. 831 00:43:44.739 --> 00:43:47.440 He's a brilliant screenwriter. He's one of the like top 832 00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:49.420 screenwriters in Hollywood. I don't know if his name has 833 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.940 been on anything lately, but I mean, it is, it 834 00:43:53.059 --> 00:43:57.050 is really just a fantastic comedy. I can't understand why 835 00:43:57.090 --> 00:44:00.349 it's not on Blu-ray. Cause it's from touchstone home video. Yeah. 836 00:44:00.389 --> 00:44:06.650 Disney released it. Ted Demme directed it. He's

Jonathan Demme's nephew. And, 837 00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:09.489 and there's no like music rights or anything like that. 838 00:44:09.550 --> 00:44:13.050 It's a pretty basic comedy. movie that came out in 839 00:44:13.050 --> 00:44:15.150 1994 every other movie from this era came out as 840 00:44:15.190 --> 00:44:18.800 had a blu-ray release except this i don't know why but. 841 00:44:18.699 --> 00:44:20.820 Yeah i feel like it's it's got to be the 842 00:44:20.860 --> 00:44:24.559 spacey of it all but then you just dm no right. 843 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:27.639 But like they just released a big souped up special 844 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.840 edition of la confidential so it can't be that yeah 845 00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:33.469 yeah just put it out it's great. 846 00:44:33.949 --> 00:44:36.269 Well i recommend if you could do a minute by 847 00:44:36.309 --> 00:44:39.750 minute show to try to to drum up that support 848 00:44:40.420 --> 00:44:42.380 It hasn't worked for us yet, but it could. 849 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.739 I bet it will. I bet it will. I bet this, this, this, 850 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.250 something's going to happen. Cause I mean, you know, you, 851 00:44:50.409 --> 00:44:53.889 you follow, you follow physical media, you follow, you, you got, 852 00:44:53.929 --> 00:44:55.829 you guys are on the same network as the disconnected. 853 00:44:55.869 --> 00:44:58.630 So you guys know what's what with physical media, how 854 00:44:58.650 --> 00:45:03.409 many obscure underground movies get announced every week. And you 855 00:45:03.429 --> 00:45:07.699 look and go, what is that? It's like, I'm, I'm, 856 00:45:07.820 --> 00:45:10.159 I'm excited. I'm glad it's out there. I'm glad people 857 00:45:10.460 --> 00:45:12.699 will see it, but I've never heard of like, you know, 858 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.420 vinegar syndrome announces 10 movies. I've heard of three of them, 859 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:18.360 you know, like what around has got to get in 860 00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:18.980 there eventually. 861 00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.900 I feel like it has to. And, and, you know, 862 00:45:22.940 --> 00:45:26.619 for me, one of the, the last dominoes to fall 863 00:45:26.739 --> 00:45:29.190 really was vampires kiss getting announced for a 4k. 864 00:45:29.179 --> 00:45:31.679 Cause that was like, all right, it's. 865 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.409 Getting closer, you know, like I hope certainly I hope so. Yeah. 866 00:45:37.460 --> 00:45:39.000 One more thing I wanted to say about the ref 867 00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:40.380 before we get too far away from it is I 868 00:45:40.659 --> 00:45:44.110 added it to my letterboxd to watch list. And Steve, 869 00:45:44.929 --> 00:45:48.789 the top review is David Sims. And David Sims' quote 870 00:45:48.809 --> 00:45:53.130 in the movie says, I'm in hell. Connecticut is the fifth. 871 00:45:52.969 --> 00:45:53.409 Ring of hell. 872 00:45:55.110 --> 00:45:56.840 I think that excels you on the movie, right? 873 00:45:57.739 --> 00:46:01.679 Oh. That's not even, that's not even close to the 874 00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:03.380 funniest line in the movie, but that's a, it's a 875 00:46:03.380 --> 00:46:03.880 great line. 876 00:46:04.179 --> 00:46:05.059 It's a great, I love it. But Steve is a 877 00:46:05.099 --> 00:46:06.320 Connecticut hometown hero. 878 00:46:06.380 --> 00:46:08.400 Yeah. That's my, that's my home base. 879 00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:10.159 They gave my keys to the state. 880 00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:14.039 Okay. So this takes place in, yeah, in Connecticut in 881 00:46:14.059 --> 00:46:15.019 like a rich suburb. 882 00:46:15.139 --> 00:46:15.480 So. 883 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:15.900 Yeah. 884 00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:18.699 Totally can, totally can imagine it. 885 00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.190 One of my favorite kind of, I'll say unconventional Christmas 886 00:46:23.230 --> 00:46:29.309 movies is unfortunately because of the director, The Family Man, 887 00:46:29.510 --> 00:46:34.250 the Nicolas Cage film, which I really like it, despite 888 00:46:34.289 --> 00:46:40.880 the director and despite... Is that Brett Ratner? No, it is. 889 00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:47.880 Despite the writing of Don Cheadle's character to be very 890 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:54.099 dated in terms of the trope that he's... Yeah, yeah, yeah. 891 00:46:55.099 --> 00:46:58.539 And it's like, they're attempting, they're attempting to be woke 892 00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:02.820 cause they're trying to update, um, uh, it's a wonderful life. 893 00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:03.679 Sure. 894 00:47:04.579 --> 00:47:08.510 So it's not like they're, and, and it, yeah, it's, it's, 895 00:47:08.650 --> 00:47:10.510 it's by trying to do diverse cast and they accidentally 896 00:47:10.550 --> 00:47:11.369 back into something. 897 00:47:12.070 --> 00:47:14.090 Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. 898 00:47:14.130 --> 00:47:17.230 But that getting, uh, that also getting a 4k release 899 00:47:17.250 --> 00:47:22.820 was like, okay, that's not that much more obscure or 900 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:24.699 the motor on was not that much more obscure than 901 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:25.159 that film. 902 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:27.239 Um, You don't think? 903 00:47:28.340 --> 00:47:28.679 I don't know. 904 00:47:28.699 --> 00:47:29.280 I don't know. 905 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.110 I think maybe that's my own kind of bias that 906 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.570 The Family Man had been a big blind spot for 907 00:47:34.590 --> 00:47:36.429 me until someone recommended it. I was like, I've never 908 00:47:36.449 --> 00:47:38.769 even heard of it. 909 00:47:38.769 --> 00:47:42.210 As I recall, it did okay. I think people did 910 00:47:42.250 --> 00:47:45.210 go to see it. We have not done an episode 911 00:47:45.250 --> 00:47:51.530 on that show yet on our podcast. So it'll be 912 00:47:51.570 --> 00:47:53.860 a fresh viewing for me when we get to it. 913 00:47:54.550 --> 00:47:56.880 uh so yeah i i

honestly have no opinion on 914 00:47:56.929 --> 00:47:57.659 it i. 915 00:47:57.619 --> 00:47:59.719 Think it's it's better than the sum of its parts 916 00:47:59.739 --> 00:48:03.059 it has good people in it like. 917 00:48:02.619 --> 00:48:04.960 It's not really a christmas movie that's the problem it 918 00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:08.500 starts on christmas and then it's not about christmas oh 919 00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:11.400 that doesn't scare us like a significant amount of time 920 00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:15.940 left yeah i mean for us we've done we've done 921 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.280 movies on our show did i say did we say 922 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.219 the name of the show did we say christmas movies 923 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:20.820 actually um. 924 00:48:24.909 --> 00:48:27.480 We do a lot of stuff. I mean, we, you know, 925 00:48:27.500 --> 00:48:29.860 if there's like 15 minutes of Christmas in it at 926 00:48:29.900 --> 00:48:31.920 the beginning and at the, or at the end, we'll 927 00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:34.239 do it. Like we did funny farm with Chevy chase. 928 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:37.000 The last 15 minutes is, is Christmas. And I love 929 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.320 that movie. And it's just a good excuse to, to 930 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.110 talk about it and tell people like you should actually 931 00:48:41.130 --> 00:48:45.070 watch it. And then we did another movie this past 932 00:48:45.130 --> 00:48:51.389 summer that was called Christmas in July, which is an 933 00:48:51.449 --> 00:48:57.010 old Preston Sturgis movie from the forties. and screwball comedy 934 00:48:57.550 --> 00:49:00.670 and um the the cover art on the on the 935 00:49:00.710 --> 00:49:04.369 blu-ray is is very christmasy not a shred of christmas 936 00:49:04.409 --> 00:49:07.610 in the entire film one person says it's like christmas 937 00:49:07.670 --> 00:49:11.269 in july uh at one point because they're they've come. 938 00:49:11.170 --> 00:49:13.750 Into they've come into a lot of money. 939 00:49:13.690 --> 00:49:15.369 And and they have a lot of they they have 940 00:49:15.409 --> 00:49:18.090 a lot of spending to do with this money that 941 00:49:18.130 --> 00:49:22.280 they have for limited time. So they're like, let's call 942 00:49:22.300 --> 00:49:24.400 the movie Christmas in July. And now it's like. 943 00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:29.420 Like putting Drew Barrymore on the... Exactly. 944 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.599 And then they released... I looked it up. They released 945 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:33.800 Christmas in July and October. 946 00:49:33.820 --> 00:49:35.239 Yeah. 947 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:35.440 Yeah. 948 00:49:37.309 --> 00:49:40.750 I mean, back in the 40s, there was no such 949 00:49:40.809 --> 00:49:45.329 thing as a Christmas movie, so it doesn't matter. But 950 00:49:45.670 --> 00:49:48.590 for the purposes of our show, we were fine with 951 00:49:48.659 --> 00:49:51.199 it because we're going to talk about Preston

Sturgis for 952 00:49:51.219 --> 00:49:55.940 an hour. That's fine. We can do that. Whatever. And 953 00:49:55.980 --> 00:49:59.079 people write about it in Christmas movie articles all the time, 954 00:49:59.179 --> 00:50:02.599 so we may as well acknowledge it anyway. 955 00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:05.099 It's part of the larger canon. 956 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:05.539 Right. 957 00:50:08.139 --> 00:50:10.019 And then you also have another new show that's coming out. 958 00:50:10.579 --> 00:50:11.239 Oh, Blu-ray. 959 00:50:12.030 --> 00:50:13.250 It's just Where Art Thou? 960 00:50:13.809 --> 00:50:16.849 Yeah, Oh, Blu-ray Where Art Thou? Taking the title from 961 00:50:17.590 --> 00:50:21.590 another Preston Sturgis movie, Sullivan's Travels. The filmmaker in that 962 00:50:21.610 --> 00:50:23.739 film is making a movie called Oh, Brother Where Art Thou? 963 00:50:23.980 --> 00:50:26.179 Which never gets made. But the Coen brothers made a 964 00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:30.440 movie with that title. So I'm borrowing that for my Oh, 965 00:50:30.460 --> 00:50:33.420 Blu-ray Where Art Thou? Which is a YouTube show. I 966 00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:36.489 just started it like two weeks ago. So it's like 967 00:50:37.250 --> 00:50:39.050 I got like eight followers or something like that. 968 00:50:40.710 --> 00:50:45.150 And it's... I have nine. Thank you. 969 00:50:46.630 --> 00:50:49.750 And so I'm just reviewing Blu-rays that have just come out. 970 00:50:49.769 --> 00:50:51.829 I've been doing this on our show. It's like a 971 00:50:51.869 --> 00:50:55.590 separate segment for the last few years. I really enjoy it. 972 00:50:55.610 --> 00:50:58.369 But in the podcast format, I feel like a little 973 00:50:58.429 --> 00:51:00.389 rushed when I do it. So I wanted to do 974 00:51:00.469 --> 00:51:03.530 like a whole YouTube show. I've watched other people do 975 00:51:03.570 --> 00:51:05.610 shows like this. And I thought, I can do that. 976 00:51:06.550 --> 00:51:11.139 And also spotlighting a movie in every episode that does 977 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:16.340 not have a Blu-ray release like Motorama. So that might 978 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.260 actually be my next episode. I might actually do Motorama 979 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.550 since I'm doing this. It might make sense to do that. 980 00:51:21.570 --> 00:51:24.469 Thank you for spreading the gospel. 981 00:51:24.929 --> 00:51:31.360 Yeah. And for me, I love... like video editing. And, and, 982 00:51:31.780 --> 00:51:33.860 and so it's not just me talking to a camera. 983 00:51:33.900 --> 00:51:36.219 I do put like trailers in there. So there's like 984 00:51:36.260 --> 00:51:38.739 a trailers from hell format where I'm talking about the 985 00:51:38.780 --> 00:51:41.880 movie while the trailer's playing to make it a little 986 00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:47.300 more different from your average Blu-ray review show. So, which 987 00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:49.239 is not to say not to take anything away from 988 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.900 the disconnected, like I'm not looking to compete with them 989 00:51:51.940 --> 00:51:55.320 because they are fantastic. Like they're like top tier and 990 00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.900 I'm just down here going, I'm just trying a little thing. 991 00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:00.599 I'm just trying to do what's fun to me and 992 00:52:00.659 --> 00:52:06.019 see what happens. The more of us out there, I 993 00:52:06.059 --> 00:52:06.619 think the better. 994 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:12.300 Absolutely. I totally agree. I think of it as similar 995 00:52:12.409 --> 00:52:18.170 to filmmaking itself. There's no limit on the number of 996 00:52:18.250 --> 00:52:19.610 good films. 997 00:52:19.989 --> 00:52:21.829 The more, the merrier. There's too many. 998 00:52:23.630 --> 00:52:25.489 When you watch a good film for the rest of 999 00:52:25.530 --> 00:52:28.110 your life, multiple a day and never catch up. 1000 00:52:28.610 --> 00:52:31.670 I mean, these days especially. When you're a film critic 1001 00:52:31.730 --> 00:52:34.010 and you've got at the end of the year during 1002 00:52:34.289 --> 00:52:36.030 awards season, you've got to catch up with all these 1003 00:52:36.090 --> 00:52:38.269 movies that everyone is telling you is so great. There's 1004 00:52:38.369 --> 00:52:40.969 only so many hours in the day. I can't watch 1005 00:52:41.010 --> 00:52:43.409 them all. So a lot of them have to slip 1006 00:52:43.429 --> 00:52:47.230 through the cracks now. But yeah, it's an embarrassment of 1007 00:52:47.269 --> 00:52:47.909 riches out there. 1008 00:52:49.130 --> 00:52:52.869 When you're looking through films to review, Colin, how many 1009 00:52:52.969 --> 00:52:56.250 layers deep do you go before you're like, typically, before 1010 00:52:56.269 --> 00:52:57.369 you're like, all right, this has hooked me. I'm going 1011 00:52:57.389 --> 00:53:00.139 to give it a shot. title, poster? 1012 00:53:03.059 --> 00:53:07.480 A lot of things. I mean, you know, I, you know, 1013 00:53:07.780 --> 00:53:11.980 whoever's involved with the film, of course, you know, whoever 1014 00:53:12.019 --> 00:53:15.670 the director is that, that, that matters. Actors of course are, 1015 00:53:15.969 --> 00:53:18.789 you know, matter a lot. I, one thing I don't 1016 00:53:18.889 --> 00:53:21.889 do a lot of is I don't watch trailers very often. 1017 00:53:21.909 --> 00:53:26.340 I try to avoid them if I can. And because 1018 00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.969 I just find lately it's so much better to go 1019 00:53:29.289 --> 00:53:35.789 in fresh, as fresh as possible. But I make exceptions 1020 00:53:35.889 --> 00:53:39.559 if it's a director that I absolutely revere and they're 1021 00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:41.860 putting something out that I cannot wait to see. Like 1022 00:53:41.900 --> 00:53:44.400 if George Miller is coming out with a new movie, 1023 00:53:44.420 --> 00:53:48.110 I'm going to watch that trailer. Or Alfonso Cuaron, I'm 1024

00:53:48.130 --> 00:53:51.849 going to watch that trailer. The new like a movie 1025 00:53:51.869 --> 00:53:55.170 that's coming out. I can't wait. I'm super excited about that. 1026 00:53:56.389 --> 00:53:58.170 Just announced the runtime is going to be the longest 1027 00:53:58.210 --> 00:53:59.510 stop motion film ever. 1028 00:53:59.989 --> 00:54:05.550 Yeah. So excited. I love what they do. Uh, but the, uh, 1029 00:54:05.690 --> 00:54:08.699 the last Paul Thomas Anderson movie, uh, one battle after another, 1030 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.079 I avoided that trailer completely. So when I went to 1031 00:54:11.099 --> 00:54:13.019 the screening, I was the only one who had no 1032 00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.340 idea about anything that was going to happen. And it 1033 00:54:15.380 --> 00:54:17.780 was like the greatest experience. And I went back and 1034 00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:19.929 I watched a trailer and I'm like, I'm so glad 1035 00:54:19.989 --> 00:54:20.869 I didn't watch that. 1036 00:54:21.389 --> 00:54:22.929 That's what I was going to ask. Do you do 1037 00:54:23.030 --> 00:54:24.630 like for, if you, once you like the film, you 1038 00:54:24.650 --> 00:54:25.829 will go out and seek the trailer. 1039 00:54:27.429 --> 00:54:29.719 If I'm curious to see what did they tell? 1040 00:54:29.969 --> 00:54:31.579 What did they give away? What did they hide? 1041 00:54:31.659 --> 00:54:37.440 I'm curious how they're marketing this. I just think it's 1042 00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:44.630 so much more rewarding. It's interesting. Yes. I remember Hereditary. 1043 00:54:44.690 --> 00:54:47.809 The trailer for Hereditary gave too much. 1044 00:54:49.150 --> 00:54:50.650 Showing major character deaths. 1045 00:54:51.070 --> 00:54:56.090 Major character deaths, yeah. And looking back on it you're 1046 00:54:56.139 --> 00:54:58.579 like oh my gosh i can't believe that that's it 1047 00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.960 i mean visually interesting but like. 1048 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:09.639 Yeah go ahead oh it's just i've been um i 1049 00:55:09.659 --> 00:55:13.000 have a year-long viewing project this year where i'm watching 1050 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:17.940 every every alfred hitchcock movie uh and i've been watching 1051 00:55:17.980 --> 00:55:20.949 how they made trailers for some of those movies back 1052 00:55:20.989 --> 00:55:24.090 then and they would give out like the last shot 1053 00:55:24.110 --> 00:55:27.309 of the movie you know it's like wow you know 1054 00:55:27.369 --> 00:55:32.289 even back then they didn't really care giving away spoilers 1055 00:55:32.329 --> 00:55:35.889 it's like come on until psycho until you're like you 1056 00:55:35.909 --> 00:55:38.599 know you cannot show don't we're not showing anything for 1057 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:42.460 this movie for psycho uh so yeah i know it's 1058 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:48.960 it's crazy what what uh what these people who market 1059 00:55:49.019 --> 00:55:52.239 movies think is okay to

show and what's not. 1060 00:55:53.619 --> 00:55:57.460 Yeah, and it's interesting because so many trailers are cut 1061 00:55:57.500 --> 00:56:02.510 by a different team with different priorities compared to the 1062 00:56:02.570 --> 00:56:08.730 actual filmmaking team. And in an instance like Hereditary, I've 1063 00:56:08.750 --> 00:56:12.519 said this on the show before, but our friend of 1064 00:56:12.539 --> 00:56:15.130 the show, Sabrina, and I saw the movie pretty much 1065 00:56:15.170 --> 00:56:18.730 completely blind thinking we hadn't even seen a trailer for it. 1066 00:56:18.989 --> 00:56:23.760 And it's not until that immolation scene where we were like, 1067 00:56:23.900 --> 00:56:27.219 Oh fuck, we have seen this trailer. This is that movie. 1068 00:56:27.940 --> 00:56:33.760 And I don't know to the degree that because while 1069 00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:36.110 the trailer had me excited to see that film, the 1070 00:56:36.170 --> 00:56:40.190 trailer like didn't connect to me to realize that was 1071 00:56:40.210 --> 00:56:42.650 the movie I was seeing until there was 15 minutes 1072 00:56:42.769 --> 00:56:47.309 left in the movie. but I think I was also 1073 00:56:47.329 --> 00:56:49.469 just like so blown away by the film on that 1074 00:56:49.510 --> 00:56:51.170 first viewing that all bets were. 1075 00:56:51.170 --> 00:56:56.639 Off yeah well it's funny I like I've listened to 1076 00:56:56.659 --> 00:56:59.239 your show and you guys play the trailer for Motorama 1077 00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:01.639 once in a while and that and it always kills 1078 00:57:01.699 --> 00:57:04.449 me like but then I think it's like no this 1079 00:57:04.489 --> 00:57:07.010 is not the movie this is this is ridiculous but 1080 00:57:07.030 --> 00:57:09.110 then it's like how would you sell this movie like 1081 00:57:09.150 --> 00:57:11.710 you can't sell like what this movie actually is um 1082 00:57:13.389 --> 00:57:15.349 I mean, how would you, you could, I guess, but 1083 00:57:15.429 --> 00:57:17.909 how would you do that? Like what, what, what tone 1084 00:57:17.949 --> 00:57:24.030 would the trailer take? Uh, you know, it's like, we're 1085 00:57:24.130 --> 00:57:26.800 still talking about a movie with a, with a kid 1086 00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.880 at the center of it. Um, and then you got 1087 00:57:29.900 --> 00:57:34.500 all these surreal, like David Lynchian elements to coming, coming 1088 00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:36.219 into the frame once in a while. And then you 1089 00:57:36.260 --> 00:57:41.750 got this insane roster of character actors, uh, doing bits. Um, 1090 00:57:42.349 --> 00:57:44.030 it's just so all over the place. 1091 00:57:44.449 --> 00:57:46.789 I think they knew they had to lean on, on 1092 00:57:46.849 --> 00:57:49.409 that side of it. That's why it drew us on 1093 00:57:49.780 --> 00:57:51.920 the cover of the thing. Like, you know, I think, 1094 00:57:51.940 --> 00:57:54.539 I think for the most part of the trailer, I

1095 00:57:54.579 --> 00:57:57.139 think it was like featuring this person, this person, this person. 1096 00:57:57.380 --> 00:58:02.639 Yeah, no, it's, it's the smarter way to go. But like, 1097 00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:06.539 how would, like, you know, you've heard of, is it 1098 00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.590 honest trailers? Is that what it is? Yeah. Like what 1099 00:58:09.619 --> 00:58:12.179 would they, how would they honestly do a trailer? for 1100 00:58:12.260 --> 00:58:14.360 motorama i would like i would love to put that 1101 00:58:14.500 --> 00:58:17.940 challenge out there to them like. 1102 00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:18.960 Yeah there's like things that i would think to do 1103 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:22.500 that maybe are truer to the the spirit or the 1104 00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:26.090 ethos of the movie but those aren't these i necessarily 1105 00:58:26.110 --> 00:58:28.250 think are going to get general audiences to show up 1106 00:58:28.670 --> 00:58:32.469 like we've been talking a lot about this hypothetical scene 1107 00:58:32.570 --> 00:58:35.929 a you know a commercial however gus learns about the 1108 00:58:35.989 --> 00:58:38.010 contest we don't know how he just knows about it 1109 00:58:38.710 --> 00:58:41.090 yeah that might not be the worst idea to go 1110 00:58:41.110 --> 00:58:42.869 okay well what if the trailer for the movie is 1111 00:58:42.909 --> 00:58:44.869 the commercial for the contest but then it's like well 1112 00:58:44.909 --> 00:58:48.630 is that completely obfuscating that we're trying to sell thinking 1113 00:58:48.710 --> 00:58:52.050 to a movie and that doesn't even get into because 1114 00:58:52.070 --> 00:58:53.530 then you see that and go okay it's about all 1115 00:58:53.570 --> 00:58:55.989 the different people that play it no it's about one 1116 00:58:56.110 --> 00:58:59.179 kid who people think is an adult yeah and look 1117 00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:00.579 down on him for play. 1118 00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:04.900 Yeah exactly like this is this is such a hard 1119 00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:09.389 movie to describe to people um And, uh, oh, I 1120 00:59:09.469 --> 00:59:12.260 had a, I had a i here's something we i 1121 00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:14.619 want to bring up to you uh so we're talking 1122 00:59:14.659 --> 00:59:17.559 about christmas movies yeah and once in a while i'll 1123 00:59:17.579 --> 00:59:19.840 see a movie that i'm like i wish this was 1124 00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:21.619 a christmas movie so we could talk about on our 1125 00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:25.039 show at length motorama is one of those movies my 1126 00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:26.780 god i wish there were like christmas lights in the 1127 00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:28.840 background i wish there were santa clauses here and then 1128 00:59:29.010 --> 00:59:31.780 then it occurred to me i'm like Okay, Santa Claus. 1129 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:38.039 How would Santa Claus see Gus? Would Santa Claus see 1130 00:59:38.139 --> 00:59:44.510 Gus as

an adult like everybody else does? I'm thinking 1131 00:59:44.550 --> 00:59:47.150 like a real, actual Santa Claus. Not a guy in 1132 00:59:47.170 --> 00:59:52.670 a Santa Claus suit, but the Santa Claus. I have 1133 00:59:52.789 --> 00:59:53.869 a take. 1134 00:59:54.309 --> 00:59:58.940 I think he sees Gus as the child. based on 1135 00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:00.739 he sees you when you're sleeping he knows when you're 1136 01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:06.260 awake he sees to gus's truth but i think he 1137 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:10.880 would know how we see gus's self-image as we see 1138 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:13.960 a couple times in the reflections so i think he 1139 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:18.280 will play along and humor gus be like and for 1140 01:00:18.389 --> 01:00:21.889 gus you know a briefcase like gus gets like a 1141 01:00:21.969 --> 01:00:25.530 grown-up gift yeah yeah but he's still getting a gift 1142 01:00:25.570 --> 01:00:28.210 from sam Okay, I like that take. 1143 01:00:28.389 --> 01:00:32.380 I also had a similar take that Santa would see 1144 01:00:32.420 --> 01:00:36.320 Gus as a child because Santa can see the inner 1145 01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.139 child of every grown-up if they have an inner child 1146 01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:42.840 still in them. Santa knows that this is a person 1147 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:46.449 who has not stopped believing in Christmas or believing in me, 1148 01:00:46.530 --> 01:00:49.269 Santa Claus, or still has that inner child in them. 1149 01:00:49.289 --> 01:00:52.760 I like that. That's as far as I got with 1150 01:00:52.820 --> 01:00:55.980 my analysis of that. But I just like, oh, this 1151 01:00:56.099 --> 01:01:00.469 world in this movie is so interesting with these weird 1152 01:01:00.650 --> 01:01:06.010 state names and the world building that goes on. And 1153 01:01:06.190 --> 01:01:10.889 it's like, what's Christmas like in this in this Motorama world? 1154 01:01:11.929 --> 01:01:12.610 We'll never know. 1155 01:01:12.969 --> 01:01:15.480 When we spoke to Joseph Minion, he alluded to the 1156 01:01:15.539 --> 01:01:19.639 initial script that he'd written basically being a four hour 1157 01:01:19.699 --> 01:01:23.940 movie and you know, it getting torn to shreds to 1158 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:28.179 become the lean 86 minute version that we know. And 1159 01:01:28.219 --> 01:01:31.869 of course I was like, please, there's no, no chance. 1160 01:01:31.989 --> 01:01:34.650 And it doesn't exist. I was like, I want nothing 1161 01:01:34.690 --> 01:01:37.269 more than to be able to read that full version, 1162 01:01:37.769 --> 01:01:41.809 which must have so much more world building and lore 1163 01:01:41.849 --> 01:01:45.480 because it, it doesn't feel like it's like window dressing. 1164 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.139 It feels like he knew this world and, and, and, 1165 01:01:50.420 --> 01:01:54.380 that if we had a wider aperture, some of the 1166 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:56.500 things that I think are easier to connect the dots, 1167 01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:01.710 like what does he call it? Essex, I think, right? 1168 01:02:01.849 --> 01:02:05.889 Essex being the last state or it's standing for California 1169 01:02:05.929 --> 01:02:08.309 because it's the coast. And then literally they're shooting in LA. 1170 01:02:08.889 --> 01:02:12.349 That I think is, is not that hard of a 1171 01:02:12.389 --> 01:02:15.820 train of thought to follow. Some of the state names 1172 01:02:15.900 --> 01:02:18.909 I think probably are clear. I don't know. stuff like that. 1173 01:02:18.929 --> 01:02:21.349 And that becomes clear in a larger context that in 1174 01:02:21.409 --> 01:02:24.710 this version, then we get really, you know, we kind 1175 01:02:24.750 --> 01:02:27.969 of lose some of that. Um, yeah, there's a, there's 1176 01:02:28.389 --> 01:02:31.550 a section that you might, I mean, no, definitely in 1177 01:02:31.570 --> 01:02:32.989 the movie, but you might be aware of calling from 1178 01:02:33.329 --> 01:02:35.829 our run of episodes where it just felt like the 1179 01:02:35.889 --> 01:02:38.829 movie was kind of spinning its wheels before Gus gets 1180 01:02:38.889 --> 01:02:42.190 to the R like we're just in this kind of 1181 01:02:42.269 --> 01:02:45.369 long night of the soul for six minutes or so. Um, 1182 01:02:47.130 --> 01:02:50.679 that felt like there were sequences that got cut or 1183 01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:52.000 truncated or something. 1184 01:02:52.460 --> 01:02:53.940 I don't know. 1185 01:02:54.820 --> 01:02:56.639 There's not this extended edition. 1186 01:02:57.260 --> 01:03:00.079 I know. That's a classic case of this kind of 1187 01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:02.780 movie that has so much going on that they have 1188 01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:07.380 to cut for time and then so some things just 1189 01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:10.429 end up not making sense or not connecting as well 1190 01:03:10.690 --> 01:03:15.090 as it would. Behind me, I don't know if you 1191 01:03:15.110 --> 01:03:18.449 can see, All the way on my left side of 1192 01:03:18.469 --> 01:03:20.550 my screen, I have a poster for a film called 1193 01:03:20.590 --> 01:03:24.699 Until the End of the World with William Hurt and 1194 01:03:25.070 --> 01:03:29.039 Sam Neill. May he rest in peace. And that's a 1195 01:03:29.059 --> 01:03:34.000 movie that also came out in 1991. And the studio 1196 01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:35.940 released a two and a half hour version of it. 1197 01:03:36.099 --> 01:03:39.409 And it just it was there were so many great 1198 01:03:39.469 --> 01:03:42.170 ideas in it. And it had a phenomenal soundtrack. The 1199 01:03:42.210 --> 01:03:44.409 soundtrack today is still considered one of the best film 1200 01:03:44.429 --> 01:03:48.590 soundtracks ever. And it was like, something about this is 1201 01:03:48.630 --> 01:03:51.650 just not living up to the soundtrack I've been listening to. 1202 01:03:51.769 --> 01:03:56.210 And then finally,

the director, Vin Vendors, released a four-hour, 1203 01:03:56.230 --> 01:04:00.650 45-minute version on Criterion. And you watch it, and it's like, 1204 01:04:00.690 --> 01:04:03.769 this movie's a masterpiece. And of course, it was never 1205 01:04:03.789 --> 01:04:07.269 going to be released in four-hour, 45-minute cut, because what 1206 01:04:07.329 --> 01:04:09.670 studio in their right mind would do that? But I'm 1207 01:04:09.710 --> 01:04:13.760 so happy that it's here. But I guess, I don't know. 1208 01:04:14.489 --> 01:04:17.510 get that for motorama probably not but definitely. 1209 01:04:17.130 --> 01:04:20.329 Not i don't know one of my all-time favorite directors 1210 01:04:20.349 --> 01:04:22.210 though so it's really it's really lovely to be able 1211 01:04:22.230 --> 01:04:26.079 to have that like not even most indulgent because that 1212 01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:30.860 sounds kind of derisive but like most cohesive version of 1213 01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:35.460 that particular film like it's not like jack snyder where 1214 01:04:35.500 --> 01:04:37.480 it's like the movies aren't good but if you watch 1215 01:04:37.500 --> 01:04:40.630 the two-hour studio cut it's incomprehensible and at least his 1216 01:04:40.789 --> 01:04:45.110 four-hour version makes sense whether you like it or not. Like, 1217 01:04:45.190 --> 01:04:47.449 it's not good, but it's more coherent. 1218 01:04:48.170 --> 01:04:53.769 Sure. And sometimes a director being indulgent is fine. Like, 1219 01:04:53.849 --> 01:04:55.800 if I like the indulgence, if I like what they're 1220 01:04:55.820 --> 01:04:58.360 indulging in, I'm all for it, you know? 1221 01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:02.960 Especially if that truncated version didn't connect and you have 1222 01:05:03.019 --> 01:05:03.760 the materials. 1223 01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:04.400 Yeah. 1224 01:05:04.699 --> 01:05:06.139 Give it a shot. Right. 1225 01:05:07.619 --> 01:05:11.199 Yeah, especially now. I mean, in the age of physical media, like, 1226 01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:12.110 why not? Yeah. 1227 01:05:13.010 --> 01:05:16.269 Yeah, I also wouldn't mind more things like that. And 1228 01:05:16.369 --> 01:05:18.110 if they need the excuse to go, okay, well, how 1229 01:05:18.130 --> 01:05:21.309 do we actually market this? Because for every, like, you know, 1230 01:05:21.329 --> 01:05:23.670 a film like Until the End of the World, where 1231 01:05:23.690 --> 01:05:26.329 there is this dedicated physical media audience, there's the built-in 1232 01:05:26.349 --> 01:05:29.889 criterion audience, like, and vendors, of course, has an audience. 1233 01:05:30.429 --> 01:05:32.329 There's a way for that film to connect, and the 1234 01:05:32.369 --> 01:05:35.090 people that are like, yeah, I'll watch a four-and-a-half-hour cut, 1235 01:05:35.530 --> 01:05:37.929 they're going to find it. But I'm surprised there's not 1236 01:05:37.969 --> 01:05:43.039 more things doing like the model that Tarantino did I 1237 01:05:43.059

--> 01:05:44.900 would pay for late where it's like, okay. And that 1238 01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:46.820 was maybe that film was just too recent at the 1239 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:49.119 time for what they were trying, but going, okay, we're 1240 01:05:49.139 --> 01:05:53.030 repackaging it as a, as a series. It's the, here's 1241 01:05:53.050 --> 01:05:56.329 the six hour version and it's six one hour episodes. 1242 01:05:58.190 --> 01:06:01.090 Maybe the development costs to do something like that is 1243 01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:03.539 just the juice is not worth the squeeze, but we're 1244 01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:05.820 a film that doesn't feel as fresh and is just 1245 01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:08.019 straight up being reintroduced to the bulk of its audience 1246 01:06:08.059 --> 01:06:09.280 as new material. 1247 01:06:10.699 --> 01:06:11.000 I don't know. 1248 01:06:11.019 --> 01:06:12.579 I like, I'd really be curious what the, what the 1249 01:06:12.619 --> 01:06:15.440 backend of something like that looks like. Cause I think 1250 01:06:15.739 --> 01:06:18.519 most Netflix viewers are not going to give a shit. 1251 01:06:18.579 --> 01:06:21.030 If you go, well, this was shot in 93 and 1252 01:06:21.050 --> 01:06:23.250 we're recutting it and re-releasing it. They would just go, 1253 01:06:23.630 --> 01:06:25.909 it's a, it's a thing that I've never seen before. 1254 01:06:26.110 --> 01:06:27.250 You're telling me it's new with new. 1255 01:06:27.929 --> 01:06:28.150 Yeah. 1256 01:06:29.010 --> 01:06:29.130 Yeah. 1257 01:06:29.190 --> 01:06:32.349 I wasn't curious enough to see more hateful eight. I 1258 01:06:32.369 --> 01:06:34.909 liked hateful eight. I thought it was good. I three hours. 1259 01:06:34.969 --> 01:06:37.050 I'm fine. I'm good. I don't need it. I don't 1260 01:06:37.090 --> 01:06:39.070 need three more hours of that, but. 1261 01:06:40.090 --> 01:06:42.449 I think it was like one of those things where 1262 01:06:42.469 --> 01:06:46.170 it ends up being like a little too, like it doesn't, 1263 01:06:46.349 --> 01:06:49.070 it's not actually designed to be binged, you know? So 1264 01:06:49.090 --> 01:06:51.199 then you can't actually just watch them back to back 1265 01:06:51.489 --> 01:06:54.280 or you are watching repetitive material. 1266 01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:58.739 Yeah. Yeah. And you don't want that. And one can 1267 01:06:58.780 --> 01:07:00.880 accuse until the end of the world of being repetitive. 1268 01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:03.579 I would totally buy, you know, I would totally. 1269 01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:05.510 We're on episode seven of this show. 1270 01:07:06.369 --> 01:07:10.519 That's right. Yeah. Oh yeah. Let's do that. I'm dying 1271 01:07:10.539 --> 01:07:12.039 to know what, what minute 71 is. 1272 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:12.579 Yeah. 1273 01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:12.840 Yeah. 1274 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:17.059 That's a great segue actually. So a minute 71 of Motorama. 1275 01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:20.300 Do I have it open right here? 1276 01:07:20.860 --> 01:07:21.900 No, I thought I did. 1277 01:07:22.860 --> 01:07:23.059 No. 1278 01:07:23.500 --> 01:07:26.099 Oh, I changed accounts too. So I upload, of course 1279 01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:29.610 the episodes to a burner YouTube account because sometimes YouTube 1280 01:07:29.619 --> 01:07:32.250 gets really mad at us for the content of the movie, 1281 01:07:32.670 --> 01:07:35.849 despite the full movie being posted by the producer. 1282 01:07:36.010 --> 01:07:37.369 She's really for dumb. 1283 01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:41.780 Things yeah they don't like that the stunt doubles are 1284 01:07:41.820 --> 01:07:43.920 not always clearly labeled as stunt doubles. 1285 01:07:44.260 --> 01:07:46.679 I got flagged on my first old blu-ray where art 1286 01:07:46.699 --> 01:07:48.980 that when i had the trailer for this movie called 1287 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:51.679 uh i swear which is this great movie about this 1288 01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:55.130 guy who has tourette's syndrome oh yeah yeah it's wonderful 1289 01:07:55.289 --> 01:07:57.829 and uh i got flagged because i used the trailer 1290 01:07:57.849 --> 01:08:00.530 for that but everything else i choose trailers for netflix 1291 01:08:00.570 --> 01:08:02.750 stuff and i used all these other trailers but that 1292 01:08:02.789 --> 01:08:04.369 got flagged it's like you're. 1293 01:08:04.900 --> 01:08:07.639 And as you said, you're you're pausing it. You're engaging 1294 01:08:07.659 --> 01:08:09.630 with it. You're that's absolutely fair use. 1295 01:08:09.659 --> 01:08:11.840 That's analysis. Yeah. And I try I try to make 1296 01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:14.030 the case for that. And they said, nope, Sony doesn't 1297 01:08:14.070 --> 01:08:16.770 buy it. But Netflix was fine with it. Netflix. I 1298 01:08:16.810 --> 01:08:19.390 got flag freezing stranger things stuff in there. And I 1299 01:08:19.529 --> 01:08:21.630 made the case and Netflix is like, OK, sure. Fine. 1300 01:08:21.649 --> 01:08:23.649 That's good. But Sony had a problem with me using 1301 01:08:23.670 --> 01:08:26.029 this Tourette's Syndrome movie trailer. I'm like, I'm trying to 1302 01:08:26.050 --> 01:08:26.909 promote your stuff, man. 1303 01:08:28.529 --> 01:08:31.649 Sometimes that stuff can be automated. I also wonder if 1304 01:08:32.350 --> 01:08:36.800 they have the degree of how sensitive the sweeper is, right? 1305 01:08:37.109 --> 01:08:39.319 I wonder if the controversy with that film at the 1306 01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:44.340 BAFTAs meant that they were extra on alert of anything 1307 01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:47.800 that popped up with it. I would test the water 1308 01:08:47.819 --> 01:08:48.680 with another Sony. 1309 01:08:48.539 --> 01:08:50.640 Film and see if they tag that too. 1310 01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:57.180 So, without further ado, this is minute 71. Okay. It's 1311 01:08:57.199 --> 01:08:58.829 gonna be a little bit of a different analysis, of course, 1312

01:08:58.850 --> 01:09:01.180 because you're familiar with the film. uh which is is 1313 01:09:01.579 --> 01:09:04.279 a nice change of pace for me and steve so 1314 01:09:04.300 --> 01:09:08.279 colin we're gonna play minute 71 uh and not necessarily 1315 01:09:08.300 --> 01:09:10.199 your first impression we're gonna come back to you for 1316 01:09:10.220 --> 01:09:11.920 your breakdown okay. 1317 01:09:18.890 --> 01:09:23.710 You're now eligible for the grand prize. You haven't won 1318 01:09:24.010 --> 01:09:25.149 anything yet, sir. 1319 01:09:25.189 --> 01:09:25.970 Eligible? 1320 01:09:27.109 --> 01:09:31.529 Do you understand, sir? You're now eligible for the grand prize. 1321 01:09:32.220 --> 01:09:32.729 That's all. 1322 01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:33.380 Yeah, but. 1323 01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:34.359 Wait a minute. 1324 01:09:34.380 --> 01:09:35.659 I don't understand. 1325 01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:36.880 But I. 1326 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:38.640 Give me your name, sir, and we. 1327 01:09:38.579 --> 01:09:43.520 Will definitely let you know if anything happens. If anything happens? 1328 01:09:44.460 --> 01:09:45.060 But I won! 1329 01:09:45.909 --> 01:09:49.390 Sir, I really must go now. I get calls like. 1330 01:09:49.250 --> 01:09:50.369 This all the time. 1331 01:09:50.829 --> 01:09:52.289 Now, please, your name? 1332 01:09:53.649 --> 01:09:54.010 Sir? 1333 01:09:54.109 --> 01:09:54.430 What? 1334 01:09:54.529 --> 01:09:55.449 What? What? 1335 01:09:58.369 --> 01:09:58.710 What? 1336 01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:08.039 What? 1337 01:10:08.100 --> 01:10:08.279 What? 1338 01:10:22.220 --> 01:10:22.619 All right. 1339 01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:30.079 Oh, heartbreaking. Like, I love that. I mean, I love 1340 01:10:30.100 --> 01:10:33.779 that I got this minute because first of all, you have, 1341 01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:38.939 you know, the, the, the, the back and forth on 1342 01:10:38.979 --> 01:10:41.359 the phone, which is just, and we've all had this 1343 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:44.810 happen to some degree or another where we're like, I'm, I, 1344 01:10:45.010 --> 01:10:48.109 I got this cool thing now. And you find out, no, 1345 01:10:48.149 --> 01:10:51.449 you don't. and this is a kid learning the, for 1346 01:10:51.489 --> 01:10:54.909 the first time, the meaning of the word eligible. And 1347 01:10:54.949 --> 01:10:58.439 that's like, that's the roadblock. Like that's, that's the thing. 1348 01:10:58.500 --> 01:11:02.340 That's one word that is keeping him from getting the 1349 01:11:02.979 --> 01:11:07.220 top of this tower and, and getting a life supply 1350 01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:11.229 of riches. And, and you can just, you can just 1351 01:11:11.310 --> 01:11:15.670 feel like, but, but, but I won. Like I, I 1352 01:11:15.789 --> 01:11:19.319 worked so hard. I met, I, I almost got killed. 1353 01:11:19.380 --> 01:11:22.060 I got tattooed on my hair's gray. What the heck? 1354 01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:26.939 And then just nothing. And then visually, I love, you 1355 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.140 can't see this, uh, you know, when you're obviously on 1356 01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:36.329 the podcast, but, um, Oh God, I'm blanking on the 1357 01:11:36.350 --> 01:11:37.010 director's name. 1358 01:11:37.350 --> 01:11:39.789 Uh, uh, Barry shows, Barry shows. 1359 01:11:39.829 --> 01:11:44.329 Thank you. Barry shows. Um, Gus is walking over to 1360 01:11:44.390 --> 01:11:48.050 the directory on the wall and he's trying to find 1361 01:11:48.090 --> 01:11:51.409 the name of this person that, you know, the, the, 1362 01:11:51.430 --> 01:11:53.369 the floor to go to in this, in, in, in 1363 01:11:53.510 --> 01:11:56.829 Nakadomi Plaza. And he's got a jump to read it. 1364 01:11:56.869 --> 01:11:59.449 And I love the cutaway of the camera, like seeing 1365 01:11:59.489 --> 01:12:01.869 his point of view, just going up and down and 1366 01:12:02.010 --> 01:12:04.050 up and down with every jump, trying to find, get, 1367 01:12:04.130 --> 01:12:07.529 read the name. And we've all done that too, as kids, 1368 01:12:07.590 --> 01:12:10.399 I'm guessing, where you just got to jump in order 1369 01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:14.770 to read something really quick. It's a wonderfully clever way 1370 01:12:14.810 --> 01:12:19.760 of directing that. So, yes, I feel like I got 1371 01:12:19.859 --> 01:12:23.140 a big turning point moment in the film. This is 1372 01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:24.779 one of the big turning points in the film. 1373 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:29.399 I think this is a version of Gus, a particular 1374 01:12:29.470 --> 01:12:33.550 version of him that we've never quite seen like this 1375 01:12:33.609 --> 01:12:36.970 before because he goes through a little bit of an 1376 01:12:37.010 --> 01:12:42.100 emotional rollercoaster leading up to this, right? Before getting the R, 1377 01:12:43.300 --> 01:12:47.600 pretty beaten down he's become pretty embittered he's cynical maybe 1378 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:49.800 hopeless a little bit hopeless a little bit yeah i 1379 01:12:49.819 --> 01:12:54.500 would say so he's he's he's reckoning with the possibility 1380 01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:58.819 based on questions he's asking these gas attendants that he 1381 01:12:58.920 --> 01:12:59.939 never finds. 1382 01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:00.199 This are. 1383 01:13:02.430 --> 01:13:05.890 And there's no path for him but forward but the 1384 01:13:06.130 --> 01:13:09.029 effort to continue the journey is becoming harder and harder 1385 01:13:09.729 --> 01:13:13.090 he's he's We don't really get a lot of introspection, 1386 01:13:13.149 --> 01:13:15.710 but you could imagine maybe he feels some type of 1387 01:13:15.729 --> 01:13:18.670 way about the scamming and con artist shit that he's 1388 01:13:18.750 --> 01:13:23.289 pulling off. He may still have enough of a moral 1389 01:13:23.350 --> 01:13:29.649 center to feel conflicted about that. He meets the older self, 1390 01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:33.840 the ghost of

Christmas future. He really is reckoning with 1391 01:13:33.939 --> 01:13:37.159 this could be the rest of my life. And there 1392 01:13:37.220 --> 01:13:40.329 is a fail state here. Then he gets the R. 1393 01:13:41.050 --> 01:13:44.029 When he gets the R, I think we take Gus 1394 01:13:44.069 --> 01:13:47.289 from the darkest version of himself, the version that possibly 1395 01:13:47.350 --> 01:13:51.649 murders the old man in the car, to this, he's 1396 01:13:51.770 --> 01:13:55.449 back to the childlike wonder. He's fully bought into this 1397 01:13:55.550 --> 01:13:59.600 myth of Motorama. I was surprised we don't get a 1398 01:13:59.649 --> 01:14:06.460 bigger Yahoo or whatever. But he's full of wonder. He's 1399 01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:11.750 running into the plaza. He's like so, so... and wonder 1400 01:14:12.210 --> 01:14:15.819 the innocence is back in full force and then here 1401 01:14:15.939 --> 01:14:19.739 it's cut down and i think he he drops further 1402 01:14:20.579 --> 01:14:23.060 than he did before because when when we see him 1403 01:14:23.100 --> 01:14:26.899 at his previous low point what he has is the 1404 01:14:26.939 --> 01:14:30.970 car he has the road he can just keep going 1405 01:14:31.250 --> 01:14:34.689 and he has this like dangled carrot of like don't 1406 01:14:34.729 --> 01:14:37.029 have all the letters i i could if i find 1407 01:14:37.069 --> 01:14:39.439 the r then you know i still have a shot 1408 01:14:40.180 --> 01:14:42.720 So yes, it's hopeless, but he's hopeless on the hamster wheel. 1409 01:14:43.319 --> 01:14:46.560 The wheel bottoms out here where she basically goes like. 1410 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:49.579 There is no cheese. 1411 01:14:49.739 --> 01:14:50.979 Yeah, right. 1412 01:14:51.979 --> 01:14:53.779 And I will say, a thing that I've harped on 1413 01:14:53.859 --> 01:14:59.439 on most of this show, she also kind of... My 1414 01:14:59.739 --> 01:15:02.930 TV trope's brain wants to say Joss's, but she kind 1415 01:15:02.970 --> 01:15:07.109 of deconfirms, we'll say, that the other combinations of the 1416 01:15:07.170 --> 01:15:11.199 letters that... I've been complaining that Gus has been throwing 1417 01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:13.770 out the window and throwing away that the rules that 1418 01:15:13.789 --> 01:15:17.310 he reads say other combinations make you eligible for other prizes. 1419 01:15:17.329 --> 01:15:22.909 I think here eligible means nothing to this, to the 1420 01:15:22.989 --> 01:15:24.729 Chimera gas company. Right. 1421 01:15:25.729 --> 01:15:28.529 Yeah. And it's interesting that she says to him, you know, 1422 01:15:28.590 --> 01:15:30.609 I get calls like this all the time. 1423 01:15:30.630 --> 01:15:32.050 That's interesting. 1424 01:15:32.409 --> 01:15:35.810 Like what, like why, why, If this R is so 1425 01:15:35.850 --> 01:15:38.770 hard to find, how are they getting calls all the time? 1426 01:15:38.829 --> 01:15:43.149 And every gas station seemingly is like, what. 1427 01:15:42.949 --> 01:15:45.939 The fuck are you talking about? 1428 01:15:46.140 --> 01:15:47.119 I guess we have cards. 1429 01:15:47.619 --> 01:15:49.739 It's part of the magic of why they think he's 1430 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:53.960 not just an adult but a senior. That they're like, 1431 01:15:54.180 --> 01:15:59.890 you still play Motorama? It's like come and gone. And 1432 01:15:59.909 --> 01:16:02.270 that's the idea of a character that we have talked 1433 01:16:02.289 --> 01:16:05.229 about that would be extant but we never see. is 1434 01:16:05.250 --> 01:16:11.289 just another competing Motorama collector. Old Gus is the closest thing, 1435 01:16:12.029 --> 01:16:13.930 but they're not really competing. Cause by that point they 1436 01:16:13.949 --> 01:16:18.699 both have the same letters. Like, I don't know. I 1437 01:16:18.739 --> 01:16:23.159 feel like that's, that's, that's the other piece. Like they 1438 01:16:23.180 --> 01:16:25.119 had talked about, Joseph Minion had talked to us about 1439 01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:28.560 the idea that at one point there was this character, Sandy, 1440 01:16:28.649 --> 01:16:32.090 an adult woman that the studio wanted or a different studio. 1441 01:16:32.729 --> 01:16:34.789 wanted him to write into the movie so that Gus 1442 01:16:34.829 --> 01:16:37.829 had an adult companion on this journey. He was like, okay, 1443 01:16:38.170 --> 01:16:42.310 I'll come up with an idea for that. And then ultimately, 1444 01:16:42.369 --> 01:16:43.939 the studio that put it into production was like, we 1445 01:16:43.949 --> 01:16:45.539 don't give a shit about that. No, we want the 1446 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:50.079 10-year-old boy. I do think a competing collector, somebody that he, 1447 01:16:50.619 --> 01:16:53.460 other than the cop, who he might see recurring along 1448 01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:57.880 the journey, feels like a piece of this world that's missing. 1449 01:16:58.119 --> 01:16:59.880 And it's reinforced by her saying, I get calls like 1450 01:16:59.899 --> 01:17:07.250 this all the time. Again, from who? or she's just yeah. 1451 01:17:07.029 --> 01:17:08.890 Yeah exactly that's what i was just about to say 1452 01:17:08.930 --> 01:17:12.000 like it might just be one of those things that 1453 01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:15.039 she can use in her script to like get rid 1454 01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:16.600 of somebody who's yeah. 1455 01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:18.340 He might be the first person to ever win and 1456 01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:20.319 she's like well can they do get into that when 1457 01:17:20.340 --> 01:17:21.430 he goes up there they go where the fuck did 1458 01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:23.789 you get the r all. 1459 01:17:23.689 --> 01:17:28.329 Right um i mean i uh and I can't wait 1460 01:17:28.369 --> 01:17:31.960 to hear you guys discuss the next few minutes after that. 1461 01:17:32.260 --> 01:17:34.279 That's what I was like, I wonder if I'm going 1462 01:17:34.300 --> 01:17:38.560

to get that minute. Because there's a great dialogue exchange 1463 01:17:38.619 --> 01:17:42.399 that between him and one of the people. I guess 1464 01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:44.029 I'm not supposed to give it away. I don't know. 1465 01:17:44.170 --> 01:17:49.390 At this stage, we're in the twilight weeks of this show, 1466 01:17:49.409 --> 01:17:50.930 of course. Everything's on the table. 1467 01:17:51.550 --> 01:17:55.100 Just when she says to him, you know, you got 1468 01:17:55.140 --> 01:17:59.260 all the letters. Good boy. And he's like, good boy. 1469 01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:01.539 You think I came all the way up here for 1470 01:18:01.859 --> 01:18:09.029 good boy. Oh God. Now the movie is about everybody. 1471 01:18:09.050 --> 01:18:11.369 Now it's not an obscure, like what the hell is 1472 01:18:11.409 --> 01:18:13.409 going on in this movie. Now, now it's about all 1473 01:18:13.430 --> 01:18:16.659 of us. Like we're all good boys, you know? 1474 01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:19.579 And there was some letterboxd review that I read today. 1475 01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:20.800 I'm not going to read it on the show, but 1476 01:18:21.100 --> 01:18:24.140 it compared the world of the film, uh, to like 1477 01:18:24.180 --> 01:18:26.939 a Roald Dahl kind of world. And I was thinking, 1478 01:18:27.060 --> 01:18:29.640 I guess I see it, but I was surprised it 1479 01:18:29.659 --> 01:18:33.270 hasn't super come up on the show. But that moment 1480 01:18:33.310 --> 01:18:35.510 that you just described that's coming up in a couple 1481 01:18:35.850 --> 01:18:38.909 of minutes, that's Roald Dahl to a T. I totally 1482 01:18:38.930 --> 01:18:40.850 would see that in like a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. 1483 01:18:42.060 --> 01:18:42.840 Oh yeah. 1484 01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:43.569 You win! 1485 01:18:43.569 --> 01:18:45.869 Like that kind of thing. 1486 01:18:45.869 --> 01:18:50.180 Yeah congratulations on nothing like yeah i know like so. 1487 01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:59.180 Well i love that idea uh so um so i 1488 01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:03.720 know you guys have uh an idea for your next 1489 01:19:03.779 --> 01:19:05.619 movie that you're going to do. Have you said it 1490 01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:06.840 on the, have you said it on the show? 1491 01:19:06.859 --> 01:19:08.760 Like your next, we maybe have, I don't know. I 1492 01:19:08.779 --> 01:19:12.319 don't know if we have said it. I feel like we've, 1493 01:19:12.619 --> 01:19:16.710 we've discussed the movie and maybe speculated on, would this 1494 01:19:16.789 --> 01:19:18.869 be the movie we would cover? I don't know if 1495 01:19:18.909 --> 01:19:21.470 we outright announced that that's what it is, but, but, 1496 01:19:22.170 --> 01:19:23.869 but we know what we'd like to cover next. 1497 01:19:24.170 --> 01:19:25.710 Okay. I have a few suggestions. 1498 01:19:25.729 --> 01:19:27.100 We're very open to suggestions. 1499 01:19:28.859 --> 01:19:31.340 Oh, I'd be very happy with some, even if they're, 1500 01:19:31.420 --> 01:19:33.800 if they're Christmas movies too, I'd be very happy with those. 1501 01:19:33.859 --> 01:19:36.399 Oh, these are, well, I mean, some of these, like, uh, 1502 01:19:37.100 --> 01:19:40.239 some of these are like more challenges, like try this, 1503 01:19:40.500 --> 01:19:42.680 like you're never going to do, you're never going to 1504 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:45.810 want to be funny to be suggested anyway. But, uh, 1505 01:19:45.859 --> 01:19:47.529 this next one, the first one I have here is 1506 01:19:47.569 --> 01:19:51.270 pretty straightforward. Um, it's, and it's sort of like Motorama 1507 01:19:51.369 --> 01:19:53.430 cause it is, it is centered on a kid and 1508 01:19:53.470 --> 01:19:57.289 it is an R rated film. Um, and it's called, uh, 1509 01:19:57.369 --> 01:20:02.479 the butcher boy. Okay. Which is this insane Irish movie 1510 01:20:02.539 --> 01:20:07.220 directed by, uh, Neil Jordan. And, uh, it's got Stephen Ray, 1511 01:20:07.279 --> 01:20:11.779 Fiona Shaw, and, um, Sinead O'Connor is in it as 1512 01:20:11.819 --> 01:20:17.670 the Virgin Mary. Yeah. And, uh, it stars a kid, uh, 1513 01:20:18.050 --> 01:20:22.270 named Eamon Owens, who for my money, uh, all, all 1514 01:20:22.819 --> 01:20:26.539 Mad respect to JC Mike's, but he gives the best 1515 01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:28.810 child performance I think I've ever seen in a movie. 1516 01:20:28.939 --> 01:20:35.550 It is insane how this kid gives this kind of performance. 1517 01:20:36.210 --> 01:20:40.109 It's he's basically a boy losing his mind. His, his, 1518 01:20:40.329 --> 01:20:44.430 his dad is an alcoholic. His mom is like sort 1519 01:20:44.470 --> 01:20:48.300 of losing her grip on reality. Um, it takes place 1520 01:20:48.340 --> 01:20:51.859 in Ireland in the sixties and, uh, it's, it, he's 1521 01:20:51.890 --> 01:20:54.689 got this vendetta against his next door neighbor played by 1522 01:20:54.729 --> 01:20:57.750 Fiona Shaw. And he just was constantly taunting her and 1523 01:20:57.789 --> 01:21:04.810 you're in this kid's head. And it is like this surreal, um, 1524 01:21:04.850 --> 01:21:08.750 headscape that he has, uh, that is just, I'm not 1525 01:21:08.770 --> 01:21:12.829 doing the movie justice, uh, at all, but, uh, it 1526 01:21:12.850 --> 01:21:15.949 is really like the quote at the top of the 1527 01:21:16.409 --> 01:21:19.560 disc says here unique and unforgettable haunting and hypnotic yes 1528 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:24.279 it's all four of those things and uh very dark 1529 01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:30.159 funny hallucinate uh hallucinogenic it is um again i'm reading 1530 01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:33.000 quotes but still uh neil jordan directed uh interview with 1531 01:21:33.020 --> 01:21:36.159 the vampire and mona lisa and the crying game so 1532 01:21:37.060 --> 01:21:39.939 uh he's no slouch he's great so the butcher boy 1533 01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:42.220 i would highly recommend i think that movie is great

1534 01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:46.500 this is a joker uh swimming to cambodia I. 1535 01:21:46.500 --> 01:21:48.699 Don't know anything about Swimming to Cambodia. 1536 01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:55.060 Okay. It's directed by Jonathan Demme. Stop Making Sense and 1537 01:21:55.149 --> 01:21:57.729 Silence of the Lambs and Philadelphia and a lot of 1538 01:21:57.930 --> 01:22:00.569 other great, great films. One of my favorite directors. And 1539 01:22:00.590 --> 01:22:03.750 Swimming to Cambodia is basically one guy sitting at a 1540 01:22:03.789 --> 01:22:08.060 desk telling stories. And the guy's name is Spalding Gray. 1541 01:22:08.260 --> 01:22:11.000 He's no longer with us. but he was, uh, he 1542 01:22:11.020 --> 01:22:14.039 was an actor and he did these like long form, uh, 1543 01:22:14.100 --> 01:22:18.199 spoken word monologues, uh, about his life. And, uh, this 1544 01:22:18.300 --> 01:22:21.180 one happens to be about his, uh, stint working as 1545 01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:25.170 a supporting actor in a film called the killing fields. And, um, 1546 01:22:25.449 --> 01:22:27.630 it's just a joke. It's a joke recommendation. Cause minute 1547 01:22:27.649 --> 01:22:29.989 by minute is just one guy talking the whole time. 1548 01:22:30.069 --> 01:22:33.550 And you can just, you know, try to. 1549 01:22:34.310 --> 01:22:36.090 I know, but it's like, yeah, let's talk. What do 1550 01:22:36.109 --> 01:22:38.710 you think he's going to talk about in the next minute? Uh, 1551 01:22:39.369 --> 01:22:44.670 Where do you think this anecdote is going to go? Um, yeah, no, it's, 1552 01:22:44.890 --> 01:22:51.479 it's ridiculous, but, uh, Jonathan Livingston Siegel. You know about this? 1553 01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:53.819 You do. Okay. 1554 01:22:53.859 --> 01:22:54.039 Yeah. 1555 01:22:54.060 --> 01:22:56.760 It's a, it's, it's basically about a bird. It's all 1556 01:22:56.899 --> 01:23:00.579 just one bird flying around, talking to himself, having inner 1557 01:23:00.619 --> 01:23:03.270 monologues and he wants to fly as high and as 1558 01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:06.270 fast as he possibly can. And to the music of 1559 01:23:06.329 --> 01:23:09.600 Neil diamond and, uh, yeah it's based on a book 1560 01:23:09.619 --> 01:23:12.520 right it's based on a big best-selling book in the 1561 01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:18.039 70s big new age uh religious uh book uh yeah 1562 01:23:18.140 --> 01:23:21.079 it's insane it's it's it's beautiful to look at i 1563 01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:25.479 will say it is beautifully shot uh but it's just 1564 01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:30.229 like i don't know i tried that one minute by 1565 01:23:30.289 --> 01:23:33.020 minute i think would be funny It just feels so 70s. 1566 01:23:33.060 --> 01:23:37.039 I try to imagine a new cultural phenomenon. It's like, well, 1567 01:23:37.060 --> 01:23:39.359 it's from the perspective of a bird, and then it 1568 01:23:39.380 --> 01:23:42.149 becomes a movie, and it's like... I don't know if 1569 01:23:42.510 --> 01:23:43.649 it could happen today. 1570 01:23:44.390 --> 01:23:49.949 No, but it's weird. It's a technically impressive movie. They 1571 01:23:50.010 --> 01:23:53.270 actually did go out into the oceans and film these 1572 01:23:53.350 --> 01:23:57.319 birds and get some incredible shots, but it is so bizarre. 1573 01:23:57.359 --> 01:23:59.800 It just doesn't work as a movie. 1574 01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:01.359 It's not realistic. 1575 01:24:03.020 --> 01:24:05.989 It's not a star bird to me. I don't know. 1576 01:24:07.029 --> 01:24:09.510 So a seagull is not a star bird to me. 1577 01:24:09.949 --> 01:24:16.050 No, it's disgusting. They eat garbage in trails of things, 1578 01:24:16.090 --> 01:24:18.529 and the movie shows them. It's like they get caught 1579 01:24:18.550 --> 01:24:21.489 in traps, and they're bloody, and it's violent. It's like, 1580 01:24:22.170 --> 01:24:27.079 who is this movie for? Good God. I think that 1581 01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:27.560 would be fun. 1582 01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:28.899 And then. 1583 01:24:29.409 --> 01:24:32.569 This is also kind of a dare. This would last 1584 01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:36.079 you a good two or three years if you did 1585 01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:39.920 this one minute by minute. Joe Dante's first film, The 1586 01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:40.739 Movie Orgy. 1587 01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:43.600 I own this on Blu-ray, actually. 1588 01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:45.369 Oh, good, good, good. I wrote the. 1589 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:46.680 Yeah, it's four hours and 45 minutes of just nonsense. 1590 01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:47.659 45 minutes? 1591 01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:48.020 Yeah. 1592 01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:49.199 Of just pure brilliance. 1593 01:24:58.529 --> 01:25:03.770 Nonsense. It's like a supercut, Steve, is the best way 1594 01:25:03.789 --> 01:25:04.529 to kind of pitch it. 1595 01:25:05.100 --> 01:25:12.380 Yeah. The movie orgy. It's kind of considered the first supercut. 1596 01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:17.359 It is Joe Dante and his co-director, John Davidson. They 1597 01:25:17.390 --> 01:25:19.170 were in college at the time. They had access to 1598 01:25:19.250 --> 01:25:25.050 all these 16mm films and commercials and TV shows, and 1599 01:25:25.090 --> 01:25:27.869 then they kind of spliced them together in this kind 1600 01:25:27.930 --> 01:25:32.739 of mishmash way where you're getting, where you're starting to 1601 01:25:32.779 --> 01:25:34.800 watch a TV show and then it cuts to a commercial. 1602 01:25:34.859 --> 01:25:36.819 Then it cuts to a movie. You watch about five 1603 01:25:36.859 --> 01:25:39.479 minutes of a movie. Then it cuts to a music 1604 01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:41.560 performance and then cuts back to the TV show you're 1605 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:43.890 watching before and then cuts to a TV commercial and 1606 01:25:43.909 --> 01:25:45.989 then cuts back to the movie you're watching before and 1607 01:25:46.010 --> 01:25:49.210 then introduces another movie.

And then it just, it's, it's 1608 01:25:49.329 --> 01:25:52.590 crazy and it's brilliant. And if you get together with 1609 01:25:52.630 --> 01:25:55.210 your friends and drop some gummies and, and, or get 1610 01:25:55.250 --> 01:25:57.720 drunk or whatever is the best night you'll ever have. 1611 01:25:58.810 --> 01:26:01.180 So I think going minute by minute on the movie 1612 01:26:01.229 --> 01:26:06.960 orgy would be, would be amazing. And just years. Yeah. 1613 01:26:07.699 --> 01:26:11.600 And I actually wrote the, the Joe Dante interview that 1614 01:26:11.659 --> 01:26:14.439 appears in the booklet on this release. So that's amazing. 1615 01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:17.949 That I love. Okay. Now for some actual suggestions that 1616 01:26:17.970 --> 01:26:19.939 I'm not, I'm not just messing around with you. 1617 01:26:19.949 --> 01:26:21.829 Dr. Seuss is the 5,000 fingers of Dr. T. 1618 01:26:21.909 --> 01:26:35.210 Okay. This is a movie that came out in 1952. 1619 01:26:35.210 --> 01:26:39.449 This is very Roald Dahl. This is like Roald Dahl 1620 01:26:39.489 --> 01:26:43.510 before there was Roald Dahl. And it's about a boy 1621 01:26:43.569 --> 01:26:47.510 who's trapped in this fantasy land that is run by Dr. T. 1622 01:26:47.750 --> 01:26:49.470 And he's determined to have. 1623 01:26:54.149 --> 01:26:57.109 His happy fingers method of teaching piano is the best 1624 01:26:57.170 --> 01:27:02.079 method in the world. And he lures 500 reluctant little 1625 01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:05.140 boys to perform in a colossal concert of the grandest 1626 01:27:05.260 --> 01:27:09.279 grand piano ever built. And his effort to escape Bart's, 1627 01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:12.109 the main character, comes in contact with some of the 1628 01:27:12.149 --> 01:27:16.810 strangest characters imaginable. Siamese twins on roller skates, a human drum, 1629 01:27:16.909 --> 01:27:20.550 and the most memorable villain since the Grinch. Uh, and 1630 01:27:20.569 --> 01:27:23.829 it is, it is one of the most surreal, uh, 1631 01:27:24.010 --> 01:27:27.600 not for kids, kids movies you would ever find. Uh, 1632 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:33.220 and it's really worth watching, uh, the 5,000 fingers of Dr. T. Um, 1633 01:27:33.539 --> 01:27:38.609 forbidden zone. I talked about forbidden zone, uh, with Susan Terrell, um, 1634 01:27:38.829 --> 01:27:45.270 and also with Herve Villachez and Danny Elfman and Oingo Boingo. And, um, I, I, 1635 01:27:45.289 --> 01:27:48.649 this is kind of a movie that, I can't in 1636 01:27:48.710 --> 01:27:52.930 good conscience say it's a good movie, nor can I 1637 01:27:52.970 --> 01:27:56.739 in good conscience recommend everybody watch it, but you should 1638 01:27:56.800 --> 01:28:06.119 watch it. It's one of the wildest musical cult films. 1639 01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:11.939 I mean, it is cult with a capital C. It's 1640 01:28:11.979 --> 01:28:14.699 kind of hard to watch at times because it is 1641 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:20.399 almost openly racist. There's some really grotesque humor in it, 1642 01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:24.239 but it's all kind of like paying homage to old 1643 01:28:24.300 --> 01:28:27.100 Max Fleischer cartoons of the 30s, which also were kind 1644 01:28:27.149 --> 01:28:33.149 of racist. And Hervé Villachez, who's a dwarf actor from 1645 01:28:33.210 --> 01:28:36.829 Fantasy Island, if people don't know who that is. And 1646 01:28:36.869 --> 01:28:39.010 him and Susan Tyrell are the king and queen of 1647 01:28:39.149 --> 01:28:43.939 Fantasy Island. the plane. Him and Susan Tyrell are the 1648 01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:47.699 king and queen of this underground world that people get 1649 01:28:47.779 --> 01:28:50.880 sucked into and shit out of. To go back to 1650 01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:55.270 your previous discussion, tying it all full circle, they literally 1651 01:28:55.310 --> 01:28:57.510 get shit into this world. 1652 01:28:57.529 --> 01:28:58.609 Yeah. 1653 01:29:01.220 --> 01:29:04.560 Yeah, and it's got crazy musical numbers. Of course, Danny Elfman, 1654 01:29:04.579 --> 01:29:11.189 he plays Satan, which is great. And that's like the 1655 01:29:11.229 --> 01:29:17.850 showstopper moment. And it's released in black and white and color, 1656 01:29:17.930 --> 01:29:19.930 and I would highly recommend black and white if you 1657 01:29:19.949 --> 01:29:23.029 can get it. Uh, and then a couple that I 1658 01:29:23.180 --> 01:29:25.779 just want to see on Blu-ray, uh, electric dreams is 1659 01:29:25.819 --> 01:29:29.260 a great movie. Um, it's kind of predicting AI. It's 1660 01:29:29.279 --> 01:29:33.079 a romantic comedy that predicts pretty much predicts AI, which is, 1661 01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:37.079 which is a very prophetic film with a great soundtrack. Uh, 1662 01:29:37.140 --> 01:29:42.079 the scene, Rocky horror shock treatment, not really, but, uh, 1663 01:29:42.409 --> 01:29:45.550 but very prophetic as well. It predicts everything that we 1664 01:29:45.590 --> 01:29:48.270 have in our culture right now. It's kind of insane. 1665 01:29:48.310 --> 01:29:51.539 Like these two British guys got so much right in 1666 01:29:51.539 --> 01:29:56.039 1981 about our world today. Uh, and then, uh, the pit, uh, 1667 01:29:56.100 --> 01:30:01.159 another child in peril film that is, um, from 1981 1668 01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:03.640 about a boy who discovers a pit filled with, uh, 1669 01:30:03.739 --> 01:30:06.180 evil troglodytes. And he likes to push people in the 1670 01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:14.189 pits and, um, and, uh, And there's some really uncomfortable 1671 01:30:16.970 --> 01:30:19.760 age differences in some of the scenes here between him 1672 01:30:19.939 --> 01:30:24.899 and another woman. So that's a great film. So yeah, 1673 01:30:24.930 --> 01:30:28.050 that's all I got. But I'm guessing not one of 1674 01:30:28.109 --> 01:30:30.210 those films is the one that's going to be your 1675 01:30:30.250 --> 01:30:30.729 next film. 1676 01:30:31.170

--> 01:30:33.970 No, but I feel like we have opportunity. We're always like, 1677 01:30:34.050 --> 01:30:36.569 what can we possibly do for bonus episodes? And depending 1678 01:30:36.609 --> 01:30:40.750 on how we feel and how urgently those episodes are 1679 01:30:40.789 --> 01:30:45.170 being recorded, that determines just how long of a walk 1680 01:30:45.229 --> 01:30:48.300 it is from Motorama. I feel like we do have 1681 01:30:48.340 --> 01:30:54.170 this growing list of Motorama adjacent films that It might 1682 01:30:54.210 --> 01:30:56.569 be in one way or another. Sometimes it is R-rated 1683 01:30:56.609 --> 01:31:03.220 film starring a child. Sometimes it is a twist on 1684 01:31:03.260 --> 01:31:06.380 Yuppie Nightmare. It depends on... Each movie has its own 1685 01:31:06.420 --> 01:31:09.720 kind of path for why we would consider it in 1686 01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:13.510 the ballpark or however many standard deviations away from the, 1687 01:31:13.739 --> 01:31:18.409 of course, platonic ideal of Motorama. And I think watching... 1688 01:31:17.989 --> 01:31:20.710 It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, Steve, 1689 01:31:20.729 --> 01:31:22.869 if we watched a movie... And then we talked about 1690 01:31:22.890 --> 01:31:27.369 the movie for one episode and that was it. Instead 1691 01:31:27.430 --> 01:31:31.750 of one movie. Which we were really doing. 1692 01:31:31.770 --> 01:31:34.350 We could do like 10 minutes at a time too. 1693 01:31:34.449 --> 01:31:35.420 That's another option. 1694 01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:41.060 No, no, no, no. No, that doesn't solve the main thing, 1695 01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:44.039 which is it gives us, I'll say this, the movie 1696 01:31:44.060 --> 01:31:47.399 that we are doing next, it has, I think, almost 1697 01:31:47.699 --> 01:31:52.069 an identical run time. And it is also from 1991. 1698 01:31:52.069 --> 01:31:53.829 Okay. 1699 01:31:53.890 --> 01:31:58.100 It's a little bit longer, but sometimes these... I've learned 1700 01:31:58.109 --> 01:32:00.079 that when they say a movie is 90 minutes, it 1701 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:03.979 does not mean 90 minutes and then the credits start rolling. 1702 01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:07.300 Is this a movie that is hard to find like Motorama? 1703 01:32:07.380 --> 01:32:08.859 I don't think so. 1704 01:32:09.420 --> 01:32:12.439 It's at least on Tubi, but it's similarly a movie 1705 01:32:12.470 --> 01:32:16.210 that I'd never heard of. And when I watched it, 1706 01:32:16.289 --> 01:32:18.750 I was like, oh, this is insane. And I remember 1707 01:32:18.770 --> 01:32:19.590 watching it being like. 1708 01:32:19.949 --> 01:32:20.449 That's what it is. 1709 01:32:22.220 --> 01:32:25.659 Do we want to? Totally up to you. 1710 01:32:25.850 --> 01:32:27.850 It's up to you, Steve. 1711 01:32:27.890 --> 01:32:29.710 I don't feel any sort of type. 1712 01:32:29.550 --> 01:32:31.010 Of way about it. 1713 01:32:31.170 --> 01:32:32.149 I mean, you might as well. 1714 01:32:33.130 --> 01:32:33.810 It's Bingo. 1715 01:32:34.029 --> 01:32:36.409 It's the movie Bingo from 1981. Oh, yeah, Bingo. 1716 01:32:37.550 --> 01:32:39.779 Someone who knows it. 1717 01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:44.140 I haven't seen that in a long time. I guarantee 1718 01:32:44.180 --> 01:32:46.739 I do not have a poster for Bingo. Nor do 1719 01:32:46.819 --> 01:32:49.770 I own the Blu-ray. um i do know what it 1720 01:32:49.829 --> 01:32:51.970 is i i know i've seen it uh. 1721 01:32:51.989 --> 01:32:53.649 And i i. 1722 01:32:55.590 --> 01:32:59.729 Do you give us your i said do you give 1723 01:32:59.789 --> 01:33:02.989 us your blessing sure oh i mean it's your show 1724 01:33:03.029 --> 01:33:06.619 do whatever you want um but uh yeah no i 1725 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:09.220 i yeah i got nothing on that. 1726 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:11.340 One one of the one of the tricks like one 1727 01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:13.789 of my litmus tests for like if a movie would 1728 01:33:13.829 --> 01:33:15.829 be worthy. Cause like there are movies. 1729 01:33:15.609 --> 01:33:16.250 That I love. 1730 01:33:16.310 --> 01:33:17.909 Cause that was one of the, one of the factors was, 1731 01:33:18.210 --> 01:33:20.119 do I care about the, do I care about the 1732 01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:23.239 movie enough to give years of my life? And so 1733 01:33:23.260 --> 01:33:25.640 that would qualify a movie like speed racer, but then 1734 01:33:25.659 --> 01:33:29.039 it's like, is the movie different enough minute to minute? 1735 01:33:29.859 --> 01:33:32.180 And yeah, speed racer is visually dynamic, but I don't 1736 01:33:32.220 --> 01:33:34.739 know if it's like funny to talk about minute by minute. 1737 01:33:35.390 --> 01:33:39.310 Bingo is so wild and so baffling in so many ways. 1738 01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:43.210 in a way that only Motorama has really scratched that 1739 01:33:43.270 --> 01:33:44.409 itch for me personally. 1740 01:33:46.710 --> 01:33:49.550 Trying to see if I, if maybe I did log 1741 01:33:49.630 --> 01:33:51.970 it and, and I just don't remember. No, I don't 1742 01:33:52.010 --> 01:33:52.510 have any. 1743 01:33:52.750 --> 01:33:55.109 It's like, it's like the interesting Venn diagram. Cause I 1744 01:33:55.210 --> 01:33:58.829 also of course came to Motorama via after hours, but 1745 01:33:58.869 --> 01:34:02.439 it's like Motorama has enough in common with the yuppie 1746 01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:04.539 nightmares that I, that I love and hold so near 1747 01:34:04.579 --> 01:34:07.100 and dear. And then bingo has a lot in common 1748 01:34:07.140 --> 01:34:10.329 with Motorama and, But it's by no means a yuppie nightmare. 1749 01:34:10.369 --> 01:34:13.750 So it's like everything else about this movie. 1750 01:34:14.369 --> 01:34:16.430 It's not a nightmare. 1751 01:34:16.470 --> 01:34:21.250 It's just a nightmare. And Steve, you've never seen Bingo, 1752 01:34:21.289 --> 01:34:24.409 is that correct? So you'll be watching blind. 1753

01:34:24.930 --> 01:34:28.350 Yes. Truly blind. 1754 01:34:28.880 --> 01:34:31.739 We had talked about maybe giving you that season off 1755 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:33.619 to not have to do it. But I think that's 1756 01:34:33.659 --> 01:34:36.399 an interesting angle that we don't have on this show. 1757 01:34:37.880 --> 01:34:40.899 It is on Blu-ray. It came out in 2021. I'm 1758 01:34:40.939 --> 01:34:44.359 looking at the review on Blu-ray.com and I'm just looking 1759 01:34:44.380 --> 01:34:47.220 at the stills that they have on here. I think 1760 01:34:47.239 --> 01:34:49.539 you're making a good choice. I think this is going 1761 01:34:49.659 --> 01:34:52.390 to work. Just by looking at the stills, I'm like, yep, 1762 01:34:52.510 --> 01:34:55.369 this could be good. This feels good. 1763 01:34:56.130 --> 01:34:59.489 I'm worried that it's so expensive on Blu-ray. I'm going 1764 01:34:59.510 --> 01:35:00.140 to have to buy it. 1765 01:35:03.210 --> 01:35:05.649 Oh, yeah, you're right. It looks like it's a little 1766 01:35:05.710 --> 01:35:06.890 out of print. Oh, yeah. 1767 01:35:07.659 --> 01:35:09.600 I'll see what I can do. I'll find it. 1768 01:35:10.739 --> 01:35:15.409 At the very least, you can get a DVD for $ 15. 1769 01:35:14.069 --> 01:35:15.229 Amazon has that. 1770 01:35:15.329 --> 01:35:17.630 It would take great pains for me to do that. 1771 01:35:18.170 --> 01:35:23.010 I know. Exactly the same way. No, I can't. I can't. 1772 01:35:23.229 --> 01:35:24.569 I gotta get the real thing. 1773 01:35:26.770 --> 01:35:28.479 I have to so that I can make peace with 1774 01:35:28.520 --> 01:35:33.159 knowing I'm going to upgrade it eventually. God forbid Bingo 1775 01:35:33.220 --> 01:35:34.840 gets a 4K before Motorama. 1776 01:35:37.310 --> 01:35:42.869 That was truly great maybe 1991 we are in an 1777 01:35:43.010 --> 01:35:46.890 anniversary year for bingo it's 35 year anniversary this year 1778 01:35:47.010 --> 01:35:49.710 but uh my guess is that sony does not. 1779 01:35:49.630 --> 01:35:53.720 Have this on their 4k slate uh to commemorate that so. 1780 01:35:53.659 --> 01:35:57.640 I don't think so probably well reviewed though 4.7 stars 1781 01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:01.739 out of 5 on uh amazon yeah people seem to 1782 01:36:01.779 --> 01:36:04.760 be happy with it yeah i i imagine the average 1783 01:36:04.819 --> 01:36:10.279 bingo viewer And I think this is the thesis we 1784 01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:14.460 will return to more than once. The average bingo viewer 1785 01:36:14.500 --> 01:36:17.899 is probably happier with what they get because it's closer 1786 01:36:17.939 --> 01:36:21.270 to what they expect than the average Motorama viewer who 1787 01:36:21.319 --> 01:36:22.609 is going in fairly blind. 1788 01:36:23.750 --> 01:36:29.229 Yeah. Yeah. You saw a trailer for a family friendly 1789 01:36:29.529 --> 01:36:32.369 comedy about a dog. That's exactly what you're going to get. 1790 01:36:32.390 --> 01:36:34.890 And he is doing Spuds McKenzie. 1791 01:36:35.430 --> 01:36:41.609 Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And whereas, yeah, Motorama, you're sitting down 1792 01:36:41.649 --> 01:36:44.159 to watch a kid have a crazy adventure a la 1793 01:36:44.180 --> 01:36:48.539 Thelma and Louise and Home Alone and you're getting David Lynch. 1794 01:36:48.899 --> 01:36:52.579 You're getting something. 1795 01:36:52.600 --> 01:36:52.680 Yeah. 1796 01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:55.100 Or Highway 61. Did you ever see that movie? That's 1797 01:36:55.140 --> 01:36:55.500 another one. 1798 01:36:55.520 --> 01:36:59.239 No, but I have heard it as reference to a 1799 01:36:59.279 --> 01:36:59.880 comic book film. 1800 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:03.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is a comparable film. It's not 1801 01:37:03.260 --> 01:37:06.930 about a kid, but it is a weird, hard-to-describe road 1802 01:37:06.939 --> 01:37:12.810 trip movie that goes off in several different directions. It's 1803 01:37:12.829 --> 01:37:14.750 a lot of fun. It's good. You should watch it. 1804 01:37:16.729 --> 01:37:18.810 So I think we should take the water break now. 1805 01:37:19.390 --> 01:37:19.729 Okay. 1806 01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:23.600 Before I replay the movie, I want to address that 1807 01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:26.520 we finally... Steve, it seems like we've broken free of 1808 01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:32.460 the Dan Henschel recommended... Oh, really? Instead, we get Are 1809 01:37:32.579 --> 01:37:33.579 Goblins Real? 1810 01:37:35.539 --> 01:37:38.119 We get a new Henshaw. Do we think. 1811 01:37:40.180 --> 01:37:42.380 One, do we think that this gentleman is a comedian 1812 01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:43.000 doing a bit? 1813 01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:44.619 No. 1814 01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:49.260 I'm inclined to believe. I want to believe. And then, 1815 01:37:50.260 --> 01:37:55.310 do you think this is because we talked about gnomes 1816 01:37:55.550 --> 01:37:59.880 on the previous episode? that now it has heard us 1817 01:37:59.939 --> 01:38:03.279 talk about gnomes and it goes, here's goblins. Or is 1818 01:38:03.300 --> 01:38:04.300 that a coincidence? 1819 01:38:05.199 --> 01:38:08.600 I don't know. I think it heard us. I mean, 1820 01:38:08.619 --> 01:38:11.439 that happens all the time. Happens to me all the time. 1821 01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:15.090 Spooky. You talk about something or you search one thing 1822 01:38:15.109 --> 01:38:15.850 and then all of a sudden. 1823 01:38:16.529 --> 01:38:18.409 But that's the thing is I didn't search it. We 1824 01:38:18.449 --> 01:38:19.930 just verbally talked about it. 1825 01:38:19.989 --> 01:38:22.430 We verbally, yeah, but I think they're listening. I really do. 1826 01:38:22.449 --> 01:38:24.850 I think if you just think of something, it pops 1827 01:38:24.930 --> 01:38:27.630 up in your algorithm. I'm finding that more and more 1828 01:38:28.229 --> 01:38:30.859 often and it's it's very distressing or i'm just like 1829 01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:32.720 i'm driving home

and i'm thinking about. 1830 01:38:32.539 --> 01:38:34.720 Yeah that'll happen like it's happened more than. 1831 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:36.119 One and i'm like what i just all i did 1832 01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:39.180 was think of this how do they know like. 1833 01:38:39.180 --> 01:38:51.180 What I might test that. The challenge is it's going 1834 01:38:51.199 --> 01:38:53.479 to have to purely come from up here. I cannot 1835 01:38:53.560 --> 01:38:55.560 look up a thing to think of or then I've 1836 01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:58.460 done it. I can't say it. I can't tell anybody. 1837 01:38:59.260 --> 01:39:00.710 I want to think about it. 1838 01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:02.020 All I. 1839 01:39:03.479 --> 01:39:08.210 Was going to do is think of Dan Henshaw. No, 1840 01:39:08.229 --> 01:39:12.750 we watched his videos. This could be a Dan Henshaw recommendation. 1841 01:39:13.329 --> 01:39:13.960 That might be him. 1842 01:39:15.079 --> 01:39:16.960 Well, it's like in Ghostbusters, you got to like clear 1843 01:39:16.979 --> 01:39:19.760 your mind. Otherwise the, the, the destructor is going to 1844 01:39:19.819 --> 01:39:22.500 come in a certain form and Dan Aykroyd can't not 1845 01:39:22.600 --> 01:39:25.739 think about the marshmallow man. So the staple, it's the 1846 01:39:25.779 --> 01:39:28.460 same exact thing. It's like, I got to just clear 1847 01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:30.460 my head and then I won't get, it won't mess 1848 01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:35.640 with my Facebook algorithm, but I can't, I don't know. 1849 01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:38.300 And then it's like the algorithm. Like, no, I don't 1850 01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:40.039 know how much I wish I knew more about what 1851 01:39:40.060 --> 01:39:42.630 was happening behind the scenes on my phone. Uh, Is 1852 01:39:42.670 --> 01:39:44.970 the ad data and ad profile that one app is 1853 01:39:44.989 --> 01:39:48.640 building about me shared with another because they're on the 1854 01:39:48.649 --> 01:39:49.180 same device? 1855 01:39:49.229 --> 01:39:49.640 Who knows? 1856 01:39:50.520 --> 01:39:53.380 This is not the show to get into. This is 1857 01:39:53.420 --> 01:39:56.279 the show for the water break. Steve, would you like, 1858 01:39:56.300 --> 01:39:58.699 of course, Colin already knows, but Steve, would you like 1859 01:39:58.720 --> 01:40:00.659 to explain to our audience? 1860 01:40:00.699 --> 01:40:04.600 You're going to decide a moment in this minute where 1861 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:08.159 our main character Gus should take a sip of water. 1862 01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:12.819 So we'll watch it at a slower speed and we'll decide. 1863 01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:18.340 It's our PSA to all viewers to drink water. If 1864 01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:20.439 you're thirsty, you're dehydrated. 1865 01:40:21.659 --> 01:40:22.029 Nailed it. 1866 01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:26.699 I think this might be a surprisingly challenging minute. 1867 01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:27.319 For us to do. 1868 01:40:27.340 --> 01:40:30.279 He's on the phone for most of it. He's on 1869 01:40:30.300 --> 01:40:32.779 the phone. He's looking at the cards. 1870 01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:39.979 He finds out eligible. I do like this where it 1871 01:40:40.100 --> 01:40:41.220 lands on eligible. 1872 01:40:41.739 --> 01:40:42.500 That's a nice camera. 1873 01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:42.800 Yeah. 1874 01:40:48.279 --> 01:40:50.720 And the wide of that like moment of realization, the 1875 01:40:51.100 --> 01:40:53.529 idea that nobody's even bothered by him. This wouldn't be 1876 01:40:53.550 --> 01:40:54.750 a bad moment for him. 1877 01:40:54.670 --> 01:40:57.909 To drink the water. Gulp. 1878 01:40:58.470 --> 01:41:02.789 Like realizing his potential outcome. 1879 01:41:03.189 --> 01:41:03.850 Maybe. Yeah. 1880 01:41:03.899 --> 01:41:06.800 Maybe like he finishes one and click crunches it or, 1881 01:41:06.939 --> 01:41:09.739 or he takes a drink. And then right when she says, 1882 01:41:09.800 --> 01:41:11.880 you haven't won anything, he does a spit take. 1883 01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:18.369 Yes. Yes. This does feel like a perfect spit take moment. 1884 01:41:18.409 --> 01:41:20.550 It doesn't feel like we're trying to force it. It 1885 01:41:20.569 --> 01:41:23.430 feels like this is the moment that he is stunned 1886 01:41:24.590 --> 01:41:28.729 by this reveal. So much so that he fact checks 1887 01:41:28.770 --> 01:41:29.399 her in real time. 1888 01:41:29.409 --> 01:41:32.819 And then the security guards look a little pissed. He's like, 1889 01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:33.340 come on, man. 1890 01:41:37.689 --> 01:41:39.449 I forgot that we were watching it a little bit 1891 01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:41.560 slowed down and in the wide. I was like, that 1892 01:41:41.569 --> 01:41:44.079 guy's really taking his time to. 1893 01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:52.100 Stroll. It's hard to make phone call scenes visually interesting, 1894 01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:53.760 I guess. Yeah. 1895 01:41:54.380 --> 01:41:57.859 And we were speculating last episode that it's possible that 1896 01:41:57.880 --> 01:41:59.659 they didn't have a ton of freedom to really do 1897 01:41:59.699 --> 01:42:03.380 any sort of set design. It's an active studio lobby. 1898 01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:07.869 Yeah, they were like, just a lobby. And is this 1899 01:42:07.989 --> 01:42:09.869 inside Nakatomi Plaza, I wonder? 1900 01:42:10.210 --> 01:42:13.439 That's what we were curious about. Certainly the exterior is, 1901 01:42:13.460 --> 01:42:15.100 but is this that interior? 1902 01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:15.840 I'm not certain. 1903 01:42:17.760 --> 01:42:19.619 So, like, you got an hour and a half. 1904 01:42:23.420 --> 01:42:27.189 Okay, that's three jumps to look at the name. That's exhausting. 1905 01:42:27.229 --> 01:42:28.489 You need a drink of water right there. 1906 01:42:29.250 --> 01:42:33.470 And then a little bit of a fun pure coincidence. 1907 01:42:34.010 --> 01:42:36.689 I noticed this earlier, and I did think

about Every 1908 01:42:36.699 --> 01:42:38.789 time I see the name Livingston, I do think of 1909 01:42:38.810 --> 01:42:41.670 Jonathan Livingston Siegel as my only association for that name. 1910 01:42:42.770 --> 01:42:46.409 I did already think about that character earlier in this 1911 01:42:46.449 --> 01:42:49.289 episode and said nothing because there's no reason to bring. 1912 01:42:51.720 --> 01:42:56.579 It up. Jonathan Livingston Siegel always finds a way. Life 1913 01:42:57.039 --> 01:42:59.020 finds a way, so does Jonathan Livingston Siegel. 1914 01:42:59.720 --> 01:43:02.439 He still keeps an office at the Chimera Gas Company. 1915 01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:09.939 One of my favorite things about the very, the very 1916 01:43:10.020 --> 01:43:11.810 end of the film. And I know you guys talked 1917 01:43:11.829 --> 01:43:16.729 about this at one point about the condition of the, um, 1918 01:43:17.050 --> 01:43:22.930 the gas station attendance, whose name I'm blanking on right now. Uh, Phil, right? 1919 01:43:23.310 --> 01:43:28.720 Oh yeah. Phil. Uh, yeah. Um, where he's in the 1920 01:43:28.779 --> 01:43:33.739 body cast. I think about that a lot, uh, He 1921 01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:39.020 was discharged from the hospital with that body cast on. 1922 01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:43.199 Every doctor and nurse is like, you're good to go. Yeah, 1923 01:43:44.020 --> 01:43:46.720 you're fine. I think you can just go do your job. 1924 01:43:47.739 --> 01:43:49.460 We'll just check you back in with us in a 1925 01:43:49.500 --> 01:43:53.970 couple weeks. And he's just stuck in that position. There's 1926 01:43:54.010 --> 01:43:57.430 a whole other movie, another short film or something where 1927 01:43:57.470 --> 01:44:03.109 it's like, what's his life i don't think he should 1928 01:44:03.149 --> 01:44:09.010 be there uh but okay it's it's funny i really 1929 01:44:09.069 --> 01:44:12.189 don't want it explained but because it's like it's such 1930 01:44:12.210 --> 01:44:13.770 a funny gag but. 1931 01:44:13.770 --> 01:44:17.140 Uh he's the nicest guy in the whole movie so 1932 01:44:17.359 --> 01:44:21.420 it's like he really gets the shit end of the 1933 01:44:21.460 --> 01:44:22.800 stick he really. 1934 01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:25.229 Does but colin i want to ask you are you 1935 01:44:25.329 --> 01:44:28.289 you're aware of uh the night falcons review of this 1936 01:44:28.350 --> 01:44:32.310 film no i'm not okay so this is the thing 1937 01:44:32.350 --> 01:44:34.329 we have covered on the show in the past uh 1938 01:44:34.670 --> 01:44:38.649 because it's somebody who you know we're part of uh 1939 01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:42.880 the few the proud the elite the the the world's 1940 01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:46.079 leading motorama fans you know i want to see that 1941 01:44:46.100 --> 01:44:50.720 list There's only 40 people who have it in their 1942 01:44:50.739 --> 01:44:53.699 top four on Letterboxd. It really is. 1943 01:44:55.420 --> 01:44:56.140 High society. 1944 01:44:56.640 --> 01:44:59.119 The Night Falcon is a gentleman who reviewed this film 1945 01:44:59.140 --> 01:45:03.170 about 15 years ago and wrote a 10,000 word diatribe. 1946 01:45:03.270 --> 01:45:07.310 On Amazon Prime. I thought on Letterboxd. 1947 01:45:07.329 --> 01:45:13.229 This is pre-Letterboxd even. It's just a full lengthy essay 1948 01:45:13.270 --> 01:45:17.029 about the film. Specifically the metaphysics of it. If there 1949 01:45:17.149 --> 01:45:18.510 is a causal time loop. 1950 01:45:18.630 --> 01:45:23.329 I recall you talking about this now. 1951 01:45:23.850 --> 01:45:27.010 There's a lot to it. And Joseph Minion was instantly. 1952 01:45:27.109 --> 01:45:29.579 Already was aware of this guy. And aware of this review. 1953 01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:30.479 So I was like that's good. 1954 01:45:30.500 --> 01:45:33.300 Did you have a restraining order against him? 1955 01:45:33.819 --> 01:45:35.560 No but I did have him. I was like please 1956 01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:37.739 indulge me in settling a debate. Because the Night Falcon 1957 01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:40.000 and I disagree on. What's happening at the end of 1958 01:45:40.039 --> 01:45:44.010 this movie. Specifically because of Phil's body cast. I believed. 1959 01:45:44.300 --> 01:45:48.159 Bill's body cast means everything that we've seen play out happens. 1960 01:45:48.939 --> 01:45:51.979 And the, the magical realism is like, well, the tattoo 1961 01:45:52.000 --> 01:45:54.399 goes away and his eye is healed and whatever it is. 1962 01:45:54.510 --> 01:45:57.710 Not Gus is transported to an earlier date in time 1963 01:45:57.750 --> 01:46:00.149 where the events of the movie have not happened. I 1964 01:46:00.189 --> 01:46:01.289 think it can't be that. 1965 01:46:03.229 --> 01:46:03.970 Right. That's that. 1966 01:46:04.050 --> 01:46:04.590 Yeah. Yeah. 1967 01:46:04.609 --> 01:46:08.350 Cause that, that's clearly that happened. Yeah. 1968 01:46:08.989 --> 01:46:13.399 Yeah. The cast proves Gus's actions happened earlier. it doesn't 1969 01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:16.420 make any sense in my mind for the reset to 1970 01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:22.260 be only like only for Gus after he had committed 1971 01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:24.090 one of these sins. Yeah. Right. 1972 01:46:24.329 --> 01:46:24.510 Yeah. 1973 01:46:24.550 --> 01:46:28.069 Yeah. It's like groundhog day. If Bill Murray went started over, 1974 01:46:28.170 --> 01:46:30.949 but then a needle nose, Ned was like, Oh no, 1975 01:46:30.970 --> 01:46:32.489 I'm not talking to you after what you did to 1976 01:46:32.529 --> 01:46:33.109 me already. 1977 01:46:33.430 --> 01:46:34.989 But it's like, I do remember those. 1978 01:46:35.010 --> 01:46:38.140 It hasn't happened yet to Bill Murray. Yeah. No, that 1979 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:38.880 doesn't make any sense. 1980 01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:39.220 Yeah. 1981 01:46:40.460 --> 01:46:40.680 Yeah. 1982 01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:43.770 And it's,

and it's, it's interesting that people think that 1983 01:46:43.789 --> 01:46:45.789 there is, or, or I guess some people also think like, 1984 01:46:46.029 --> 01:46:49.840 is it possible that the old man is Gus? And 1985 01:46:49.960 --> 01:46:51.979 this is a Gus who breaks out of the loop. 1986 01:46:52.140 --> 01:46:54.699 And I just think there's like, I don't think this 1987 01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:58.000 movie needs to get that heavy. It's already doing a lot. 1988 01:46:58.779 --> 01:47:01.270 No, but I mean, I, I always, I remember when 1989 01:47:01.409 --> 01:47:04.470 I was watching this movie a lot in the nineties 1990 01:47:04.550 --> 01:47:08.170 and trying to like be clever and figure it out. 1991 01:47:08.270 --> 01:47:13.600 And I'd, just learned of the myth of sisyphus you 1992 01:47:13.619 --> 01:47:16.819 know is that what this movie is a metaphor for 1993 01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:19.619 is it is gus pushing the boulder up and then 1994 01:47:19.640 --> 01:47:21.199 he gets in its tower and then he falls back 1995 01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:22.979 down and he's got to start all over. 1996 01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:26.220 Again i mean the extent of that like the sisyphean 1997 01:47:26.260 --> 01:47:30.270 myth is capitalism yes yeah there's. 1998 01:47:29.489 --> 01:47:32.510 Elements of that for sure yeah. 1999 01:47:32.369 --> 01:47:34.819 Something we talked about with dominion was like I just 2000 01:47:34.859 --> 01:47:35.880 created a bass. I was like, do you think this 2001 01:47:35.939 --> 01:47:37.960 is a happy ending? And he's like, I wrote it 2002 01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:39.659 as one. Like he was like shocked that I didn't 2003 01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:42.119 think it is. And I was like, the 10 year 2004 01:47:42.189 --> 01:47:46.270 old boy has to get a job and start working. 2005 01:47:46.670 --> 01:47:47.789 Yeah. 2006 01:47:47.949 --> 01:47:49.109 Right. 2007 01:47:50.170 --> 01:47:53.350 Like to me, that's like part. And I don't know, 2008 01:47:53.369 --> 01:47:56.329 to me, that's part of the kind of like acerbic 2009 01:47:56.590 --> 01:47:58.890 sarcasm of the movie. Like the irony of it is 2010 01:47:58.930 --> 01:48:01.329 like his reward is the job. 2011 01:48:01.710 --> 01:48:06.220 Yeah. But I, you know, I, um, it's interesting. Like 2012 01:48:06.260 --> 01:48:09.239 what my, my day job is I'm, I'm a teacher 2013 01:48:09.260 --> 01:48:15.390 at an elementary school and kids are, you know, around, 2014 01:48:15.470 --> 01:48:21.159 around kids who are around Gus's age want to, experience, 2015 01:48:22.220 --> 01:48:24.119 by a lot of kids, I should say, not all kids, 2016 01:48:24.140 --> 01:48:26.720 but a lot of kids want to experience some kind 2017 01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:30.380 of like adult responsibility thing that makes them feel older 2018 01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:34.020 than they are. And it's very satisfying to them when 2019 01:48:34.060 --> 01:48:37.010 they get to be put in that position, that position 2020 01:48:37.050 --> 01:48:41.029 of responsibility. They get trusted with something that seems very like, oh, 2021 01:48:41.069 --> 01:48:42.970 this is something only grown-ups do, but now I get 2022 01:48:42.989 --> 01:48:48.149 to do it. And so I could kind of see 2023 01:48:48.489 --> 01:48:51.369 Joseph Minion looking at it as a happy ending in 2024 01:48:51.390 --> 01:48:54.970 that regard as well. And for Gus, it's like, well... is, 2025 01:48:55.189 --> 01:48:58.909 is him going home to his abusive family, a happier ending? 2026 01:48:59.149 --> 01:48:59.810 Probably not. 2027 01:48:59.829 --> 01:49:02.229 The other side of it is the found family aspect. 2028 01:49:02.770 --> 01:49:03.029 Right. 2029 01:49:03.449 --> 01:49:07.489 I hear you. There's not that many options in terms 2030 01:49:07.529 --> 01:49:09.390 of like the what's in the, what's in the scope 2031 01:49:09.409 --> 01:49:11.590 of this film. I don't know that there is a 2032 01:49:11.630 --> 01:49:15.710 happier ending that feels set up. You know, I don't, 2033 01:49:15.850 --> 01:49:18.750 I don't think I'm being deprived of some happier ending. Um, 2034 01:49:19.069 --> 01:49:21.710 but I guess I see it as this like bittersweet irony. 2035 01:49:22.569 --> 01:49:29.859 Um, And he's as far away from where he currently 2036 01:49:29.939 --> 01:49:31.880 is by going back with Phil. 2037 01:49:33.279 --> 01:49:35.220 Oh, yes. 2038 01:49:38.439 --> 01:49:42.319 He's closer to home than he is from this in 2039 01:49:42.359 --> 01:49:43.079 the end, which. 2040 01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:47.930 I think is interesting. I believe that. It does represent 2041 01:49:47.939 --> 01:49:51.170 the story circle in that way. It helps that we 2042 01:49:51.189 --> 01:49:54.670 never see his family anyway. This is the first person 2043 01:49:54.710 --> 01:49:56.729 we really see him interact with other than the, the, 2044 01:49:57.350 --> 01:49:57.909 the bank teller. 2045 01:49:58.449 --> 01:49:58.829 Yeah. 2046 01:49:59.710 --> 01:50:05.060 And I mean, you know, minion wrote after hours and 2047 01:50:05.659 --> 01:50:08.380 the ending of that film, I guess it's a happy ending, 2048 01:50:09.760 --> 01:50:13.529 but it's like, it's still like, well, he, he's going, 2049 01:50:13.590 --> 01:50:16.449 he's going to get home eventually go to work. Like 2050 01:50:16.470 --> 01:50:18.329 that's the same kind of ending. Like first you got 2051 01:50:18.350 --> 01:50:20.720 to have a day at work. So That same thing 2052 01:50:20.739 --> 01:50:23.220 happens to Paul Hackett that happens to Gus. It ends 2053 01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:25.180 with him going to work. So that's a good point. 2054 01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:26.119 Very good point. 2055 01:50:26.260 --> 01:50:28.119 And I think we still have a lot of empathy 2056 01:50:28.159 --> 01:50:30.539 for Gus by the end of it. I think with Paul, 2057 01:50:30.579 --> 01:50:32.979 like your mileage may vary. Like to me, he's very 2058

01:50:33.039 --> 01:50:35.520 much a villain protagonist and like, I like rooting against him. 2059 01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:38.899 That's like part of the joy of that film here. 2060 01:50:38.920 --> 01:50:42.430 The most you root against Gus, at least for me personally, 2061 01:50:42.470 --> 01:50:44.970 is like when he's having people get hit by, uh, 2062 01:50:46.109 --> 01:50:49.510 free truck and when he's like convincing Dick Miller to 2063 01:50:49.569 --> 01:50:53.390 leave his kids those are Gus's most like and maybe 2064 01:50:53.449 --> 01:50:57.340 maybe maybe the degree to which he's influencing Flea you 2065 01:50:57.350 --> 01:50:58.699 could argue Gus knows better. 2066 01:50:59.079 --> 01:51:03.859 Yeah I was thinking of the Dick Miller scene the 2067 01:51:03.899 --> 01:51:05.439 other day at the same time I was thinking of 2068 01:51:05.460 --> 01:51:08.340 the Santa Claus thing about how would Santa Claus see 2069 01:51:08.380 --> 01:51:11.899 Gus and it's like what about it's like Gus the 2070 01:51:11.939 --> 01:51:13.829 only kid in the movie oh no there's those two 2071 01:51:13.850 --> 01:51:17.960 kids that Dick Miller abandons maybe kids in this world 2072 01:51:18.590 --> 01:51:26.489 are just not given the same, uh, like weights, uh, 2073 01:51:26.890 --> 01:51:31.069 that we have in our world. Like they're humans, like 2074 01:51:31.149 --> 01:51:35.210 just like anybody, it's like breaking up with, uh, uh, 2075 01:51:35.689 --> 01:51:38.750 a girlfriend that the relationship's just not working out. I'm 2076 01:51:38.770 --> 01:51:42.180 just going to, I'm just going to leave this relationship and, 2077 01:51:42.659 --> 01:51:45.579 and I'm just going to also, uh, leave my kids 2078 01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:48.140 in a forest preserve and drive away without giving it 2079 01:51:48.180 --> 01:51:50.859 a second thought because maybe that's just part of this 2080 01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:54.739 world like kids just aren't don't matter as much as 2081 01:51:54.859 --> 01:51:58.000 we as they would matter in the real world. 2082 01:51:58.319 --> 01:52:00.640 And that does track because the couple of other moments 2083 01:52:00.659 --> 01:52:03.699 where we do see other children there's one very early 2084 01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:06.680 on when Gus goes to the watering hole bar to 2085 01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:09.039 order his black coffee. The kid's like, you want to 2086 01:52:09.060 --> 01:52:13.470 play catch? He's like, beat it, kid. Gus doesn't see 2087 01:52:13.510 --> 01:52:16.529 himself as a kid. That's still a child who is 2088 01:52:16.689 --> 01:52:19.930 alone outside of a bar. No adult in sight. 2089 01:52:20.529 --> 01:52:21.930 Maybe someone inside. 2090 01:52:21.949 --> 01:52:27.449 Then there's the two families that we see at Flea's diner. 2091 01:52:27.850 --> 01:52:31.430 There's the parent and childhood go to the salad bar 2092 01:52:31.489 --> 01:52:35.109 and get the massive plates of food. And then there's 2093 01:52:35.130 --> 01:52:39.470 the lineup of kids with the Groucho Marx glasses that 2094 01:52:39.510 --> 01:52:42.189 are basically being trotted out the door. So I think 2095 01:52:42.250 --> 01:52:45.819 at no point is a single child in this film 2096 01:52:45.840 --> 01:52:47.140 being afforded any dignity. 2097 01:52:47.600 --> 01:52:47.859 Yeah. 2098 01:52:50.079 --> 01:52:50.359 Yeah. 2099 01:52:50.380 --> 01:52:55.140 And that's just that. That's that's this movie's version of America, 2100 01:52:55.199 --> 01:53:00.829 I guess. Yeah, I know. I hope whenever this comes 2101 01:53:00.970 --> 01:53:06.130 out on some physical media that there is commentary track, 2102 01:53:06.170 --> 01:53:12.380 either from Minion or keep forgetting the director's name, Barry... 2103 01:53:13.859 --> 01:53:19.079 I hope they offer some clarity on some of this stuff. 2104 01:53:19.539 --> 01:53:24.430 Or not. Leave it up to interpretation. It's fun to 2105 01:53:24.470 --> 01:53:29.409 dissect this movie and go in circles with it and 2106 01:53:29.449 --> 01:53:30.750 not really come to any conclusion. 2107 01:53:31.529 --> 01:53:34.829 We have talked about after we wrap uh covering minute 2108 01:53:34.829 --> 01:53:38.710 86 inviting uh joe minion and inviting jc mike's back 2109 01:53:39.409 --> 01:53:43.399 together to just do a watch along yeah i think 2110 01:53:43.439 --> 01:53:46.079 that's that's the ideal grand finale. 2111 01:53:45.979 --> 01:53:48.920 I think that would be fantastic i would definitely tune 2112 01:53:48.939 --> 01:53:51.000 into that they. 2113 01:53:50.239 --> 01:53:53.909 Both were pretty eager to come back um but as 2114 01:53:53.949 --> 01:53:57.390 we wind down the show you know of course was 2115 01:53:57.409 --> 01:53:59.569 like what's the what's the occasion and i think that's 2116 01:53:59.689 --> 01:54:00.409 it get them in. 2117 01:54:00.350 --> 01:54:03.819 Conversation and then we watch the movie together And that 2118 01:54:03.840 --> 01:54:06.729 could be the commentary track. Just download that MP3, watch 2119 01:54:06.789 --> 01:54:10.130 it along with the movie itself, and you're good to 2120 01:54:10.170 --> 01:54:16.020 go until the magical 4K from Vinegar Syndrome comes out. 2121 01:54:16.029 --> 01:54:18.760 That's not an announcement. I don't know that there's nothing. 2122 01:54:19.319 --> 01:54:22.479 Somebody will eventually, and when they do, we'll go, hey, 2123 01:54:23.180 --> 01:54:24.079 you want to watch this? 2124 01:54:24.699 --> 01:54:26.149 Yeah. 2125 01:54:26.390 --> 01:54:27.970 Finally, this all pays off. 2126 01:54:29.750 --> 01:54:32.649 I feel like if any boutique label is going to 2127 01:54:32.689 --> 01:54:34.710 do it, I feel like they're the ones who are 2128 01:54:34.729 --> 01:54:39.510 going to do it. That's my feeling. It would be 2129 01:54:39.529 --> 01:54:43.159 a good title for them to do. I think so, too. 2130 01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:46.880 I think somebody

had asked a representative of Arrow a 2131 01:54:46.939 --> 01:54:48.180 few years ago, and they were like, we don't know 2132 01:54:48.199 --> 01:54:52.220 what the fuck that movie is. I was like, oh, no. 2133 01:54:52.979 --> 01:54:55.270 I thought they would be aware and be like, it's 2134 01:54:55.289 --> 01:54:58.260 just not feasible for us. Like we won't turn a profit. 2135 01:54:58.439 --> 01:54:59.720 But they were like, we don't even know what that is. 2136 01:54:59.899 --> 01:55:02.260 I was like, oh. Arrow? 2137 01:55:02.279 --> 01:55:03.470 Oh my God. 2138 01:55:04.699 --> 01:55:08.569 That individual didn't. And I do feel like, I don't 2139 01:55:08.590 --> 01:55:12.029 know how these deals are made in the aggregate, but 2140 01:55:12.050 --> 01:55:15.670 it wouldn't surprise me that if Motorama's rights do land 2141 01:55:15.710 --> 01:55:18.229 with a distributor, it's not necessarily, unless it's like an 2142 01:55:18.310 --> 01:55:21.109 indie who specifically is seeking it out, it's because somebody 2143 01:55:21.130 --> 01:55:25.210 just had it and is like bundling it. Where it's like, well, I'll. 2144 01:55:25.029 --> 01:55:25.449 Give you 10. 2145 01:55:25.449 --> 01:55:27.439 And this is one of the 10. 2146 01:55:27.439 --> 01:55:27.659 Yeah. 2147 01:55:28.039 --> 01:55:29.079 Because I know they do deals like. 2148 01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:29.439 That a lot. 2149 01:55:29.899 --> 01:55:30.159 Yeah. 2150 01:55:31.159 --> 01:55:35.739 Well, I mean, it's got so much great cult movie 2151 01:55:35.779 --> 01:55:39.159 cachet to it for people of a certain age, I guess. 2152 01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:44.819 You know, Meatloaf, Drew Barrymore, Mary Warrenoff, Flea. I mean, 2153 01:55:44.859 --> 01:55:46.840 just the roster. Jack Dance, of course. We didn't even 2154 01:55:46.859 --> 01:55:52.159 mention Jack Dance. I mean, just the roster of names 2155 01:55:52.180 --> 01:55:53.840 who just come in and out of this movie is 2156 01:55:53.880 --> 01:55:57.729 so impressive right now that I've got to think that's 2157 01:55:57.770 --> 01:56:00.189 going to have some appeal. And they're all crammed into 2158 01:56:00.609 --> 01:56:07.430 this breezy 86 minutes. Come on. This is the perfect 2159 01:56:07.489 --> 01:56:10.340 time to release this movie because there's such an appetite 2160 01:56:10.439 --> 01:56:15.859 for cult movies, for weird movies, for and I'm not 2161 01:56:15.899 --> 01:56:18.739 saying this movie belongs in this category, but trash. There's 2162 01:56:18.779 --> 01:56:26.239 a great people who collect physical media are buying stuff 2163 01:56:27.310 --> 01:56:30.270 from these boutique labels because it looks interesting not because 2164 01:56:30.409 --> 01:56:31.770 it's i grew up with this i want to see 2165 01:56:31.869 --> 01:56:33.729 it but it's like this looks weird i'm gonna buy 2166 01:56:33.789 --> 01:56:35.449 it just to see what it is what could this 2167 01:56:35.560 --> 01:56:39.079 be it's like curio

yeah right i've bought so many 2168 01:56:39.100 --> 01:56:45.260 um uh american genre film archive discs because of that 2169 01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:47.420 like i don't know what i'm getting but i know 2170 01:56:47.779 --> 01:56:49.899 from that this company i know they're going to deliver 2171 01:56:49.939 --> 01:56:54.300 something amazing and they usually do so that's why we 2172 01:56:54.340 --> 01:56:58.279 love physical media Couldn't. 2173 01:56:57.180 --> 01:57:00.430 Have said it better myself. So, as we come to 2174 01:57:00.470 --> 01:57:02.789 the end of, towards the end of the show, let's 2175 01:57:02.810 --> 01:57:05.609 give our final thoughts on Minute 71. I can't really 2176 01:57:05.649 --> 01:57:08.569 do my boilerplate questions, Colin, because you know what's going 2177 01:57:08.590 --> 01:57:12.380 to happen in Minute 72. You have seen the movie 2178 01:57:13.340 --> 01:57:16.380 to the degree that you can. Humor me. If you'd 2179 01:57:16.539 --> 01:57:18.739 only seen the 60 seconds that we showed you today, 2180 01:57:18.800 --> 01:57:20.359 do you think this would have sold you on the movie? 2181 01:57:21.079 --> 01:57:22.560 Or at least on seeing what the rest of the 2182 01:57:22.590 --> 01:57:22.899 movie is? 2183 01:57:24.090 --> 01:57:27.050 Yeah, I think it would, uh, because I, uh, I 2184 01:57:28.590 --> 01:57:32.390 like movies about childhood and growing up and especially learning 2185 01:57:32.430 --> 01:57:35.380 a tough lesson as, as a child, uh, because I mean, 2186 01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:38.840 I work in an elementary school, so, um, so I, 2187 01:57:38.960 --> 01:57:40.939 I see kids go through these kinds of things all 2188 01:57:40.979 --> 01:57:44.060 the time. So, yeah, I'd be curious because I'm, I'm, 2189 01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:47.100 but I also, I'd be like annoyed. So I'm like, Oh, 2190 01:57:47.140 --> 01:57:48.500 now I know the ending of the film. And I 2191 01:57:48.539 --> 01:57:52.489 just talked about how I don't like to watch trailers. Uh, but, uh, 2192 01:57:52.739 --> 01:57:54.800 but no, I would definitely want to see where this 2193 01:57:54.880 --> 01:57:59.060 is going because of, because this minute really does. This 2194 01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:02.930 is a turning point minute, uh, for this film, but I, 2195 01:58:02.939 --> 01:58:05.750 I no way in hell would be able to predict 2196 01:58:05.829 --> 01:58:09.180 what is going to happen in a minute. So, and, 2197 01:58:10.800 --> 01:58:15.239 to that degree uh i'd still probably find the movie 2198 01:58:15.420 --> 01:58:19.689 pretty cool and amazing and weird and and and worth 2199 01:58:19.869 --> 01:58:21.350 worth watching again so. 2200 01:58:23.010 --> 01:58:24.409 Yeah one thing i'll say about this movie that does 2201 01:58:24.470 --> 01:58:26.630 still continue to surprise you even up to like the 2202 01:58:26.710 --> 01:58:30.000 final minutes especially on a first viewing. 2203 01:58:34.329 --> 01:58:35.210 Sorry, what was the question? 2204 01:58:36.949 --> 01:58:39.829 The movie is so full of surprises, even up to 2205 01:58:39.850 --> 01:58:43.810 the final minutes. And one more thing, when we see 2206 01:58:43.850 --> 01:58:47.949 Gus' final test to demonstrate that he has changed. And 2207 01:58:47.970 --> 01:58:49.670 it is kind of interesting that we don't see him 2208 01:58:50.109 --> 01:58:52.630 interact with another kid at the end to get a 2209 01:58:52.649 --> 01:58:55.989 kind of statement on where did he land with that. Instead, 2210 01:58:56.010 --> 01:58:57.829 I guess the statement is he has a job now. 2211 01:58:57.890 --> 01:59:02.789 He is a member of society. So if you had 2212 01:59:02.829 --> 01:59:05.090 to give this minute a score out of five, Colin, 2213 01:59:05.130 --> 01:59:05.649 what would you give it? 2214 01:59:06.850 --> 01:59:14.520 Uh, give it a four out of five. Um, because I, I, 2215 01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:16.500 I think, I think what's keeping me from giving it 2216 01:59:16.520 --> 01:59:18.460 a five is I would, I would love to see, 2217 01:59:18.479 --> 01:59:21.180 or maybe it's a three and a half out of five. 2218 01:59:21.220 --> 01:59:25.220 I'm not sure, but like, I, I think a sustained 2219 01:59:25.359 --> 01:59:30.149 closeup of Gus while he's having this realization that he is, uh, 2220 01:59:31.640 --> 01:59:34.659 not going to get this prize i think would have 2221 01:59:35.550 --> 01:59:38.859 really landed that i think would have nailed that scene 2222 01:59:39.210 --> 01:59:41.850 just like just have a like a sustained close-up of 2223 01:59:41.909 --> 01:59:46.029 him just like being crestfallen uh before he goes to 2224 01:59:46.050 --> 01:59:50.470 the sign and looks up the name um you know 2225 01:59:50.510 --> 01:59:52.630 just a little bit like linger on that moment a 2226 01:59:52.689 --> 01:59:54.529 little bit more but uh. 2227 01:59:54.489 --> 01:59:56.130 Yeah i agree i think i want that moment of 2228 01:59:56.170 --> 01:59:58.529 defeat before the light bulb of well actually. 2229 01:59:58.329 --> 02:00:00.310 I'm going to do something about this yeah yeah yeah 2230 02:00:00.670 --> 02:00:05.600 so uh Other than that, it's kind of what you 2231 02:00:05.640 --> 02:00:08.619 think is going to happen to him during this journey. 2232 02:00:08.739 --> 02:00:11.899 It can't be this easy to just go into a 2233 02:00:11.939 --> 02:00:14.970 building and get your prize. No movie's going to end 2234 02:00:15.010 --> 02:00:18.590 with that. Just that. You've got to throw another obstacle 2235 02:00:18.649 --> 02:00:22.109 in there. This is a good obstacle. The word eligible. 2236 02:00:23.510 --> 02:00:26.260 We talk a lot about how the grand irony of 2237 02:00:26.300 --> 02:00:29.960 this film is that Gus is cosplaying an adult. He 2238 02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:33.350 has this idea of what he that this doesn't seem 2239 02:00:34.569 --> 02:00:36.390 absurd on the face of it to him in the 2240

02:00:36.409 --> 02:00:38.350 way that any reasonable adult watching the movie goes, well, 2241 02:00:38.380 --> 02:00:40.100 it's a scam. You're not, that's not real. 2242 02:00:40.579 --> 02:00:40.760 Yeah. 2243 02:00:40.840 --> 02:00:43.060 And so we, that for us, that's baked into the premise. 2244 02:00:43.359 --> 02:00:45.979 And for him, uh, it truly is not a thought 2245 02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:48.979 that had entered his brain until that band did get 2246 02:00:49.000 --> 02:00:52.890 tripped off. Um, yeah, this is, this, there's a lot 2247 02:00:53.010 --> 02:00:55.130 in this minute. This is a, this is the one 2248 02:00:55.170 --> 02:00:57.909 of not the final, but one of the final big 2249 02:00:57.949 --> 02:00:59.390 turning points for the movie. Mm. 2250 02:01:01.260 --> 02:01:06.920 I was going to say, no, I'm very satisfied with 2251 02:01:06.939 --> 02:01:08.520 the minute that I got. If I got the minute 2252 02:01:08.579 --> 02:01:11.039 of him just driving around ripping stickers off for a minute, 2253 02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:15.020 I'd be like, really? Come on. But I'm glad I 2254 02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:15.460 got this one. 2255 02:01:16.350 --> 02:01:17.010 We're glad too. 2256 02:01:18.100 --> 02:01:25.369 I'm going to give it three. Three and a half 2257 02:01:25.430 --> 02:01:26.850 sounds good. Three and a half sounds. 2258 02:01:26.670 --> 02:01:27.069 Good to me. 2259 02:01:28.569 --> 02:01:34.159 I will agree with that. I really think that it 2260 02:01:34.199 --> 02:01:36.170 deserves that shot that you were talking about. Like a, 2261 02:01:36.239 --> 02:01:39.619 like a closeup of his eyes. Maybe we get a 2262 02:01:39.640 --> 02:01:46.399 little bit of a tear. Like he's feel like a 2263 02:01:46.460 --> 02:01:49.989 little like childhood innocence. Like he's been adult, adult, adult 2264 02:01:50.029 --> 02:01:54.930 for so long. Maybe we get something that's like more childlike, 2265 02:01:55.189 --> 02:02:02.229 a response as opposed to being as like combative. Maybe, um, Also, 2266 02:02:02.310 --> 02:02:05.710 he's not there yet, so maybe that will happen, but 2267 02:02:06.529 --> 02:02:07.270 I think like. 2268 02:02:12.260 --> 02:02:14.600 Yeah, just like a close-up of his eyes is what 2269 02:02:14.619 --> 02:02:17.560 I'm missing. I think that shoots it down like a 2270 02:02:18.180 --> 02:02:21.800 star rating, at least. But I like the scene, I 2271 02:02:21.840 --> 02:02:24.739 like the location, the shadows, all that kind of stuff. 2272 02:02:24.760 --> 02:02:26.039 The big wides are really cool. 2273 02:02:28.439 --> 02:02:28.819 And your score? 2274 02:02:28.840 --> 02:02:32.369 Oh, you said 3.5. You've landed on 3.5? I'm going 2275 02:02:32.430 --> 02:02:34.229 to agree with Colin. I'm going to give this a four. 2276 02:02:35.340 --> 02:02:37.260 I also do wish we had more of a beat 2277 02:02:37.380 --> 02:02:40.699 on the defeat. I don't think I want a full-on 2278 02:02:40.779 --> 02:02:43.800 Zali shot, but to me, that's such a clear moment 2279 02:02:43.899 --> 02:02:47.920 of realization. As a filmmaker, I'm interested in the moments 2280 02:02:47.939 --> 02:02:52.239 where I feel like what's happening narratively very easily informs 2281 02:02:52.279 --> 02:02:54.550 how you would shoot it, and that feels like a 2282 02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:57.890 moment that is teed up for them in a way 2283 02:02:57.930 --> 02:03:00.210 that I'm almost like, did they just feel like they 2284 02:03:00.229 --> 02:03:02.859 didn't want to go too much with that moment because 2285 02:03:02.880 --> 02:03:06.279 we're about to get a similar form and function working 2286 02:03:06.300 --> 02:03:08.699 hand in hand with the jumping up and down which 2287 02:03:08.739 --> 02:03:11.300 i think both is we've never seen a movement like 2288 02:03:11.319 --> 02:03:13.560 that in the film so that's fun and new it's 2289 02:03:13.600 --> 02:03:17.430 visually dynamic if your attention is trailing it's like brought 2290 02:03:17.439 --> 02:03:21.689 right back but then it's also absolutely goes this is 2291 02:03:21.789 --> 02:03:25.069 a child who is jumping because he's four feet tall 2292 02:03:25.850 --> 02:03:29.710 and that um i hope you know i've seen the 2293 02:03:29.729 --> 02:03:31.909 movie we all have seen the movie we know is 2294 02:03:32.710 --> 02:03:35.170 firmly kind of putting us back in the perspective of, 2295 02:03:35.710 --> 02:03:39.210 you know, the degree to which Gus has been able 2296 02:03:39.329 --> 02:03:44.260 to be perceived as an adult is kind of rapidly 2297 02:03:44.310 --> 02:03:51.079 melting away. And in the confrontation that's to follow, you know, 2298 02:03:51.119 --> 02:03:53.600 that is what we're going to see play out. And 2299 02:03:53.699 --> 02:03:56.300 I love that this shot, the jumping up and down 2300 02:03:56.340 --> 02:04:00.220 POV shot, even though it's moving the story forward, he's 2301 02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:03.090 figuring out where he has to go. the visual language 2302 02:04:03.149 --> 02:04:07.170 is telling us Gus's status in response to what he's 2303 02:04:07.210 --> 02:04:10.130 just learned. He doesn't, cause I hear you, Steve. Maybe 2304 02:04:10.149 --> 02:04:12.750 that is like, I want like more of a tantrum moment, 2305 02:04:13.369 --> 02:04:17.270 but I think cinematically they're showing us, putting us back 2306 02:04:17.310 --> 02:04:21.039 in the mindset of the kid. I think if we 2307 02:04:21.079 --> 02:04:23.520 were to see Gus, you know, catch his reflection in 2308 02:04:23.539 --> 02:04:26.819 the elevator or something, we would see child Gus again 2309 02:04:27.100 --> 02:04:29.819 is how he sees himself, whether he wants to or not. 2310 02:04:30.090 --> 02:04:32.329 I don't think he's seeing himself as the old man anymore. 2311 02:04:32.670 --> 02:04:36.010 I think he's seeing himself as like, I don't know 2312 02:04:36.029 --> 02:04:38.369 that he could articulate it this way,

but I think 2313 02:04:38.390 --> 02:04:40.760 that shot of him scanning and finding the word eligible, 2314 02:04:41.220 --> 02:04:44.680 like it is like a light bulb moment of like, oh, 2315 02:04:45.119 --> 02:04:48.819 this is the limits of me being 10. I have 2316 02:04:48.899 --> 02:04:54.409 bumped up against my understanding of the world. He's yet, 2317 02:04:55.210 --> 02:04:58.029 the conflict that's to follow, I think he then extrapolates 2318 02:04:58.069 --> 02:05:01.260 that to this company is pulling a fast one, and 2319 02:05:01.300 --> 02:05:04.060 that's not cool. But in this moment, I think he 2320 02:05:04.100 --> 02:05:08.520 just thinks like, oh, am I an idiot? Oops. As 2321 02:05:08.560 --> 02:05:11.520 opposed to having been had, you know? Which is where 2322 02:05:11.560 --> 02:05:14.720 I think he goes. Four stars. 2323 02:05:15.460 --> 02:05:16.640 Cool. I like that. 2324 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:20.979 It's nice to have a guest that really knows and 2325 02:05:21.020 --> 02:05:24.770 loves the movie, Colin. You know, we can move before 2326 02:05:24.789 --> 02:05:27.229 we started, but we can get far past just the 2327 02:05:27.289 --> 02:05:30.050 idea of he's a kid, and we can really get into... 2328 02:05:30.380 --> 02:05:32.619 the minutia of the film. And this is a great 2329 02:05:32.640 --> 02:05:34.500 minute to be able to do that again. And you're right. 2330 02:05:34.579 --> 02:05:37.720 It's not just driving and he's going, you know, literally 2331 02:05:37.739 --> 02:05:41.979 the movie is spinning its wheels. I do have a 2332 02:05:42.060 --> 02:05:45.520 good letterbox review of the week for us. This is 2333 02:05:45.640 --> 02:05:50.739 from January 30th, 2021. This is letterboxed user. Herschel gives 2334 02:05:50.760 --> 02:05:53.039 the film four stars and likes it. And this is 2335 02:05:53.100 --> 02:05:55.399 a rewatch. We don't always see a review of a rewatch. 2336 02:05:56.819 --> 02:06:00.069 I saw this once before, almost 10 years ago. And 2337 02:06:00.090 --> 02:06:01.770 I don't think I was quite ready for its bizarre 2338 02:06:01.789 --> 02:06:04.270 sensibilities at that time as it ended up with a 2339 02:06:04.310 --> 02:06:06.590 bit of a middling rating. But I had been meaning 2340 02:06:06.630 --> 02:06:08.710 to revisit and we were rifling through the prime queue 2341 02:06:08.770 --> 02:06:11.500 and there it was. We said, what the hell? Glad 2342 02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:13.340 we did because it proved once more that there's gold 2343 02:06:13.380 --> 02:06:15.119 in them there hills if you're just willing to take 2344 02:06:15.159 --> 02:06:17.680 the time to mine it. There are so many quirky 2345 02:06:17.699 --> 02:06:19.699 delights to be found here that the fact that everyone 2346 02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:22.720 seems to think the 10-year-old protagonist is an adult or 2347 02:06:22.760 --> 02:06:25.180 the slew of great cameos or any number of things really. 2348 02:06:25.520 -->

02:06:28.319 So good, seek it out. And that is the thesis 2349 02:06:28.350 --> 02:06:29.199 statement of this show. 2350 02:06:29.779 --> 02:06:30.739 Uh i. 2351 02:06:32.899 --> 02:06:35.479 I think that that uh herschel hits on something that 2352 02:06:35.520 --> 02:06:37.920 brings me back to my first viewing because the the 2353 02:06:38.020 --> 02:06:40.000 fun of this movie for me on that first viewing 2354 02:06:40.420 --> 02:06:42.439 was the first 20 minutes going like how in on 2355 02:06:42.479 --> 02:06:44.770 the joke is this movie do they know what this 2356 02:06:44.909 --> 02:06:48.109 is and when you get that infamous line i'm underage 2357 02:06:48.149 --> 02:06:50.850 god damn it i'm 10 fucking years old uh i 2358 02:06:50.890 --> 02:06:52.229 don't think he says god damn it i think he 2359 02:06:52.250 --> 02:06:56.689 just says damn it that's my editorializing yeah um That, 2360 02:06:56.750 --> 02:06:58.850 to me, is the moment where the movie locks into you. Oh, 2361 02:06:58.869 --> 02:07:03.380 it knows exactly what it is. And that, you know, 2362 02:07:04.000 --> 02:07:06.340 if you're willing to take the time to mine it, 2363 02:07:07.920 --> 02:07:10.319 I think that is kind of a challenge of the movie. 2364 02:07:11.279 --> 02:07:16.189 It's so unorthodox that as it unfolds and reveals itself, 2365 02:07:16.289 --> 02:07:19.569 a lot of people have probably already bounced off of it. Maybe. 2366 02:07:19.649 --> 02:07:23.170 I don't know. I think, yeah, when I first saw 2367 02:07:23.189 --> 02:07:25.250 it and that line came up, that was the point 2368 02:07:25.310 --> 02:07:29.029 where I was like, I don't know what this movie is. 2369 02:07:29.810 --> 02:07:33.939 I've never seen this movie before. I have no idea 2370 02:07:33.979 --> 02:07:38.180 what I'm in for here. And, and I, and it 2371 02:07:38.239 --> 02:07:40.899 was true. I really wasn't. And right up to the 2372 02:07:40.960 --> 02:07:44.090 last scene, I had no idea what movie I was watching. 2373 02:07:44.130 --> 02:07:47.350 I couldn't compare it to anything. I still can't. And 2374 02:07:48.189 --> 02:07:51.210 I love that. I love there aren't that many movies 2375 02:07:51.270 --> 02:07:56.189 that are that you can't compare to other movies no 2376 02:07:56.210 --> 02:07:59.369 matter how hard you try, you just can't. I got 2377 02:07:59.390 --> 02:08:04.289 a poster behind me for a movie, Joe versus a volcano. Ryan, 2378 02:08:04.689 --> 02:08:06.689 I've gone on record saying it's my favorite film of 2379 02:08:06.770 --> 02:08:09.989 all time. I'm not saying it's the greatest film ever made. 2380 02:08:10.029 --> 02:08:11.619 I'm just saying it's my favorite film of all time. 2381 02:08:11.680 --> 02:08:15.039 There's a distinction. And I still, it's one of those movies. 2382 02:08:15.079 --> 02:08:16.800 I can't compare it to anything else. I don't know 2383 02:08:16.819 --> 02:08:18.850 what you compare it to. It's its own thing. And 2384 02:08:19.229 --> 02:08:22.850 it's like that too. Uh, so it's singular in that way. 2385 02:08:23.310 --> 02:08:23.510 Yeah. 2386 02:08:24.489 --> 02:08:27.439 And, uh, I, I tried to find like, what t-shirt 2387 02:08:27.460 --> 02:08:29.079 should I wear for this? And so you're, you're also 2388 02:08:29.100 --> 02:08:31.260 a YouTube show. And I've, and I was like, I 2389 02:08:31.279 --> 02:08:34.279 don't got nothing then, but last week, my wife and 2390 02:08:34.300 --> 02:08:38.649 I took a trip and visited some drive-in theaters, uh, 2391 02:08:38.810 --> 02:08:42.270 across the country. We ended up at the Mahoning drive-in, uh, 2392 02:08:42.390 --> 02:08:48.630 in Pennsylvania, very most amazing drive-in ever. I know you're 2393 02:08:48.649 --> 02:08:49.789 in California, right? 2394 02:08:50.369 --> 02:08:52.890 Yeah, we're both East Coasters originally, so we could have 2395 02:08:52.930 --> 02:08:53.569 the opportunity. 2396 02:08:54.050 --> 02:08:57.229 Okay, so this would be like, if Motorama were to 2397 02:08:57.310 --> 02:09:01.229 ever have a screening somewhere, the Mahoning drive-in would be 2398 02:09:01.270 --> 02:09:06.869 the perfect place. They would do the most bang-up, greatest 2399 02:09:07.149 --> 02:09:10.949 fan event for this movie anyone would ever do. And 2400 02:09:11.130 --> 02:09:14.819 they're amazing. But the t-shirt i'm wearing is for another 2401 02:09:14.840 --> 02:09:18.840 drive-in we went to called the autorama drive-in hell yeah 2402 02:09:20.439 --> 02:09:24.039 autorama drive you guys were so close to having the 2403 02:09:24.119 --> 02:09:27.060 best name for a drive-in ever you'll you could have 2404 02:09:27.100 --> 02:09:30.010 called it motorama and it still would have worked you 2405 02:09:30.050 --> 02:09:33.750 went with autorama that was a bad but i still 2406 02:09:33.789 --> 02:09:37.670 bought the t-shirt so because close enough and yeah yeah 2407 02:09:38.890 --> 02:09:42.670 And you can read about our adventures at the drive-in 2408 02:09:42.829 --> 02:09:46.810 on RogerEbert.com. I posted an article about it this week. 2409 02:09:46.909 --> 02:09:49.329 And so if you want to know what it's like 2410 02:09:49.369 --> 02:09:52.050 to go to a drive-in, go to RogerEbert.com and read 2411 02:09:52.090 --> 02:09:55.029 my article, How I Spent Another Summer at the Drive-In. 2412 02:09:55.050 --> 02:09:57.399 And you can read about a bunch of drive-ins there. 2413 02:09:57.770 --> 02:10:00.300 And we will also put a link in the description. 2414 02:10:00.359 --> 02:10:02.739 So you can just scroll right down and hop on over. 2415 02:10:04.460 --> 02:10:06.600 As we come to the end of the show, Colin, 2416 02:10:06.640 --> 02:10:09.109 where else can people find your work? And would you 2417 02:10:09.149 --> 02:10:12.260 like to plug both of the shows again for our audience? 2418 02:10:12.680 --> 02:10:15.899 Yeah, our podcast, Christmas Movies, actually, that I co-host with 2419

02:10:15.960 --> 02:10:19.260 my wife, Carrie Finnegan. We have two episodes a month 2420 02:10:19.340 --> 02:10:22.560 that come out on the 5th and the 20th of 2421 02:10:22.619 --> 02:10:26.609 every month. 25th, not easy to remember. We just had 2422 02:10:26.630 --> 02:10:29.829 an episode come out today about a movie called Becoming Santa, 2423 02:10:29.869 --> 02:10:33.569 which is a wonderful documentary from 2011. that everyone should 2424 02:10:33.609 --> 02:10:36.529 seek out. Um, and our next episode will come out 2425 02:10:36.609 --> 02:10:39.189 September 5th and that's going to be about, uh, the 2426 02:10:39.270 --> 02:10:42.770 animated movie, Tokyo Godfathers, which, uh, a lot of people 2427 02:10:42.810 --> 02:10:47.239 love including us. Um, and we have guests. Sometimes we 2428 02:10:47.260 --> 02:10:51.199 have guests, sometimes we don't. Um, and then my YouTube show, 2429 02:10:51.279 --> 02:10:55.060 YouTube channel is, uh, Oh, Blu-ray where art thou that's letter. Oh, 2430 02:10:55.350 --> 02:10:58.079 Blu-ray where art thou. just like the title of the movie. 2431 02:10:59.439 --> 02:11:01.260 And I'll have an episode coming out at some point 2432 02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:03.699 this weekend where I run down all the Warner Archive 2433 02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:05.649 and Warner Brothers titles that have come out this month 2434 02:11:05.659 --> 02:11:07.449 because there have been a lot. And I think the 2435 02:11:07.470 --> 02:11:10.409 movie I'm going to spotlight for this particular episode will 2436 02:11:10.430 --> 02:11:13.210 be Motorama because that makes the most sense. Tie it 2437 02:11:13.229 --> 02:11:16.590 back to this. That'll be out at some point this weekend, 2438 02:11:16.649 --> 02:11:19.829 probably Saturday. But by the time this comes out, it 2439 02:11:19.850 --> 02:11:21.380 will already be out. So why am I even saying 2440 02:11:21.409 --> 02:11:21.720 that for? 2441 02:11:21.810 --> 02:11:23.899 Yes, it'll be out and we will link it also 2442 02:11:23.939 --> 02:11:26.659 in the description. And just thank you for your service. 2443 02:11:26.680 --> 02:11:28.939 Thank you for fighting a good fight right alongside us 2444 02:11:28.970 --> 02:11:29.869 in the front lines. 2445 02:11:30.329 --> 02:11:34.369 Yeah. And my own website, colinsuder.com is also, I do 2446 02:11:34.710 --> 02:11:38.850 write for stuff there too. But yeah, no, thanks. This 2447 02:11:38.869 --> 02:11:40.770 was a lot of fun. Every time I listen to 2448 02:11:40.789 --> 02:11:42.430 your show, I'm like, oh, I wish I could jump 2449 02:11:42.470 --> 02:11:44.770 into this conversation because I got something to say about this. 2450 02:11:44.850 --> 02:11:48.960 So thank you for giving me the opportunity to jump in. 2451 02:11:49.739 --> 02:11:51.039 That truly means a lot. 2452 02:11:51.159 --> 02:11:52.399 So thank you. 2453 02:11:52.439 --> 02:11:54.199 It's nice to know that there are people out there 2454 02:11:54.239 --> 02:11:58.369 who Love this movie. And then within that very small 2455 02:11:58.430 --> 02:12:01.189 subset of the population, some of them also like this show. 2456 02:12:03.960 --> 02:12:07.000 Yeah. I'm glad you found me on Letterboxd and told 2457 02:12:07.020 --> 02:12:09.859 me about the show. I don't know. I don't seek 2458 02:12:09.960 --> 02:12:17.310 out a lot of podcasts about things. So it's great. Yeah. 2459 02:12:18.409 --> 02:12:19.569 Steve, your turn to plug. 2460 02:12:20.029 --> 02:12:24.760 All right. Uh, at Steve underscore tour on Instagram, stevetour.com 2461 02:12:24.949 --> 02:12:28.779 is my website. Uh, Colin would love for you to 2462 02:12:28.800 --> 02:12:32.239 see my film cookie exchange, which is a Christmas in 2463 02:12:32.279 --> 02:12:36.720 July film. You would actually enjoy it very much. So 2464 02:12:36.739 --> 02:12:40.699 we will definitely make sure you, uh, get a copy 2465 02:12:40.720 --> 02:12:44.859 of that after the, after the, um, podcast here. Um, 2466 02:12:44.939 --> 02:12:47.939 but yeah, cookie exchange. And then, uh, my other film 2467 02:12:48.359 --> 02:12:52.739 milk boy, uh, submitting those to festivals right now and 2468 02:12:52.760 --> 02:12:57.800 both wrote and directed those and also wrote with Frankie 2469 02:12:57.859 --> 02:13:03.600 as well on those so those are my specific projects 2470 02:13:03.649 --> 02:13:07.090 but everything else nice hog which Frankie will take over 2471 02:13:07.569 --> 02:13:07.850 and do. 2472 02:13:09.829 --> 02:13:12.489 One day I'll just record this in advance during the 2473 02:13:12.529 --> 02:13:14.810 fugue state at the end of every episode So you 2474 02:13:14.829 --> 02:13:17.590 can find everything that we do at nice-hog.com. The best 2475 02:13:17.609 --> 02:13:19.470 way to keep up with all of it is actually 2476 02:13:19.850 --> 02:13:24.149 checking out our free newsletter, nicehog.substack.com. It comes out every 2477 02:13:24.210 --> 02:13:28.109 single Friday. It is where we recap this podcast, our streams. 2478 02:13:28.489 --> 02:13:33.500 We have a million movies and movie-related things happening all 2479 02:13:33.539 --> 02:13:35.819 the time. We have projects in post-production. We have projects 2480 02:13:35.840 --> 02:13:37.899 like the ones that Steve mentioned that are going into 2481 02:13:37.920 --> 02:13:40.380 their festival run. We have projects coming off of their 2482 02:13:40.420 --> 02:13:42.930 festival run and making their online debuts. We have new 2483 02:13:42.979 --> 02:13:46.470 projects entering pre-production. We just fucking love movies. If that's 2484 02:13:46.529 --> 02:13:50.470 not clear, minute 71, breaking down a movie that I 2485 02:13:50.529 --> 02:13:54.350 hope people are discovering and falling in love with the 2486 02:13:54.390 --> 02:13:56.170 same way that Colin did, the same way that we did. 2487 02:13:58.250 --> 02:14:00.430 When this comes out, we will have just had a 2488 02:14:00.529

--> 02:14:05.590 premiere for our 48-hour film short, The Michael C. Jordan Method, 2489 02:14:05.789 --> 02:14:08.109 starring our own Steve Vitor. So thank you to everybody 2490 02:14:08.140 --> 02:14:11.319 who came out to support that. our next festival date 2491 02:14:11.340 --> 02:14:13.399 will be for the horror short my name is john 2492 02:14:13.739 --> 02:14:16.369 and at the time of recording the festival has not 2493 02:14:16.430 --> 02:14:19.270 announced it yet um and it's less than a month 2494 02:14:19.289 --> 02:14:22.789 away so hopefully uh they break that embargo soon um 2495 02:14:22.829 --> 02:14:24.970 but we'll have some stills and some poster stuff uh 2496 02:14:25.310 --> 02:14:27.789 for that and actually i don't know if we've ever 2497 02:14:27.810 --> 02:14:30.090 made this really clear our new reel that we released 2498 02:14:30.409 --> 02:14:32.569 uh which is on all of our socials including at 2499 02:14:32.609 --> 02:14:35.489 nice hog instagram which is our instagram In that new reel, 2500 02:14:35.529 --> 02:14:37.850 you can actually get your first look at that film. 2501 02:14:37.970 --> 02:14:42.350 My name is John. It's pretty prominently featured. We've talked 2502 02:14:42.399 --> 02:14:44.420 about this film a lot since we made it last year, 2503 02:14:45.300 --> 02:14:46.939 but I think people will be able to see from 2504 02:14:46.979 --> 02:14:50.880 the reel instantly. This short represents a level up for us. 2505 02:14:51.060 --> 02:14:54.000 You can see the money on screen for the production value. 2506 02:14:55.579 --> 02:14:57.500 I'm so excited for people to see it. We'll have 2507 02:14:57.560 --> 02:15:02.100 more news about that quite possibly by the time that 2508 02:15:02.119 --> 02:15:06.079 this comes out, but maybe not. Maybe shortly after. I 2509 02:15:06.100 --> 02:15:08.439 guess we should thank the network. Oh, thank you, Evan Burdett, 2510 02:15:08.460 --> 02:15:11.020 for doing our graphics. Thank you, Ryan Verrill and the 2511 02:15:11.060 --> 02:15:13.789 someone's favorite production podcast network for having us. We didn't 2512 02:15:13.829 --> 02:15:16.090 do a lot as the bad boys, the network this week. 2513 02:15:16.890 --> 02:15:20.630 We talked about shit for 30 minutes up top. Our 2514 02:15:20.649 --> 02:15:23.430 correspondent wrote in Steve to say long ass shit story. 2515 02:15:23.489 --> 02:15:29.100 So sorry about that. That I think that qualifies. No demands, 2516 02:15:29.159 --> 02:15:31.340 except don't don't kick us off the network for the 2517 02:15:31.380 --> 02:15:35.789 shit stories. True. That's all I got. Steve, you want 2518 02:15:35.810 --> 02:15:36.670 to hit him with a sign off? 2519 02:15:37.989 --> 02:15:40.479 Eligible. Eligible. 2520 02:15:42.220 --> 02:15:44.979 All right. We'll be back next week with minute 72. 2521 02:15:44.979 --> 02:15:56.779 Wow. Thank you for listening to hear more shows from 2522 02:15:56.800 --> 02:15:59.180 the someone's favorite productions podcast network. 2523 02:15:59.659 --> 02:16:01.319 Please select the link in the description.