บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Mornings with Graeme Goodings - 6 May 2025

find out more about that. Eight double two to three double double the number to ring from the text line. Couldn't agree with you more? Gg, where are our nation builders? Menzies Howard so sad that the election cycle rules our society, and that is exactly what it is. It's the election cycle. You speak to any politician and they will tell you what they want to do, not to achieve for the country, but to achieve for getting re elected. And it doesn't matter what persuasion Labor, Liberal, National Greens. It's all about being re elected, not what's what's best for our country. Karen says. It often gets said that China do this and China do that. Will go and live in China. I know where I'd rather be, Karen. I think you've missed the point. No way would I rather live in China. But don't you think they do some things well? Don't you think that looking at a country like a Leustralia that has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to water in the northern hemisphere, in the southern part of the country, we have a lack of water. An obvious thing is a pipeline. Seems so simple. Yes we know it's expensive, Yes we know we take years, but we're here for a long time. We need water. So when I say China are doing it better than us, China would be doing this, That's what I'm saying. I know, way would I want to live in China. No way would I want to live under that regime. But just because we don't want to live there, wouldn't want to live under their regime, doesn't mean to say that they do some things better than us. And when it comes to nation building, they're streets and streets ahead of us. Eight double two three double o double doh. You may disagree. I would love to hear from here. Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. It's eighteen past nine. Good morning to you. Welcome to Tuesday. Hope you can stick with us, Dan says, I've been lucky enough to visit China twice now, including Shenzhen later this year, a city which only forty years ago was the size of murray Bridge. The government have grown it into an economic powerhouse of eighteen million people with engineering marbles. I could never live in China due to my career, but goodness me, they do get things done at an astonishing rate of speed. Good on you, Dan, thanks for that. Yeah, as I say, you know, I would not want the Chinese lifestyle at all. So much about it is repugnant. But what they do well, we could take a leaf out of their book. When they decide to do something, they do it, and they do it quickly. Greg says the reason Chin can take a long range view in terms of nation buildings. They are totalitarian society. They don't have to pander to an electorate and consider populous policies with the next election in three years time. Greg, that is a very good point, no question about that. They do not have to worry about that. But we had leaders in this country. We had people like Bob Menzies, We had people like Sir Thomas Playford who saw beyond the horizon, saw beyond the next election and said

we're going to do this, and I guess they did take a risk. There was an element of risk about it, but maybe the electorate had enough vision to say, yes, we need to look beyond the next election. We need to look to the future because we don't have any nation builders in Candra and we have very few nation builders on North Terrace. Give me your thoughts eight double two three double double oh. Since the start of this year, there have been about one hundred and seventy reported sightings of sharks in our waters, which is more than usual according to sharkaesay, and the mystery of sharks has been compounded with sharks washing up on South Australian Beach is the most recent. Are two points even meet a great white fan dead on Henley Beach an a artbreak taking oxygen out of the water is one theory, but what actually is happening Joining me now is marine biologist Mike Bosley. Mike, good morning to. 00:09:14 Speaker 2: You, Good morning Graham. 00:09:17 Speaker 1: This is a phenomenon that I'm never aware of happening before. What are your thoughts? 00:09:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been diving and hanging out in the water for over fifty years in South Australia, and I've never seen anything like that over It's very depressing. 00:09:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly, have you any theories, Well. 00:09:39 Speaker 2: It depends on what you want to look at, but certainly we've had a heat marine heat wave this summer and which is dragging on and looks like dragging on for another week or two year, and that has almost certainly been responsible for triggering a micro algol outbreak and the known to be able to deplete oxygen from the water to coat fish gills and in some cases to produce a toxin which can which can kill fish and other species. So it's all tied up with the head wave. 00:10:14 Speaker 1: Really, is this unique to our waters or is it happening elsewhere? 00:10:19 Speaker 2: These things can happen all over the world. Certainly not unique to our waters, but it's unique to our waters in the sense that this hasn't happened before and living memory, Yeah, yeah. 00:10:32 Speaker 1: And why the extra sizing of sharks we're seeing more than normal, that is coincidental. 00:10:40 Speaker 2: It seems like whatever is wrong with them, and there's something clearly very wrong with them that is driving them or causing them to come in close to shore. When I was on the ork pinentially just a couple of days ago. There's one it could almost be standing on the beach and on dry sand and reach out and touch it. And n rays, which are part of the shark family, dead and dying everywhere along the beaches. 00:11:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard that story about the woman speared by an eagle ray. Is that unusual behavior? 00:11:11 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, they're normally very very pleasant. Quiet creatures are actually quite difficult to get to photograph because as soon as you come anywhere near them, they tend to swim away. So yeah, I've never seen anything like that. 00:11:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean, is it. I'm just sort of thinking we're hearing the sharks largely, but this seems to be across the board. All forms of marine life are being affected. 00:11:37 Speaker 2: Well, not all forms. My particular area of expertise is dolphins and wales and they haven't been affected so far, which I'm very pleased to say, But certainly walking along the beach there are thousands and thousands of cuddlefish bones washed up, so they're all dying. There are lots of different fish species washed up on the beach dead, and lots of of varieties and small sharks, but port Jackson sharks and so forth. It really is a desolation situation down there. 00:12:12 Speaker 1: Why aren't dolphins or whales being affected? 00:12:16 Speaker 2: We don't know. The algae the micro algae toxin seems to be specific to some species and not others. It's definitely attacking sharks and rays much more than other species. But why that is, I just don't know. 00:12:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's had its impact on land too, with the dozens of kangaroos had to be euthanized after eating the toxic algal bloom. 00:12:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure about it. I think that's still but hasn't been scientifically proven that that's the case. That the life's tough for kangaroos at the moment on the land with the with a drought and so forth, So it may be something else our knows don't know about that one. 00:13:05 Speaker 1: Is there any cause for concern for humans. 00:13:07 Speaker 2: Going into the water, Well, certainly there is cause for concern in the sense of the wildlife for sharks in the rays behaving in a strange and unusual and certainly an issue. I certainly it would be very reluctant to go under water an algal bloom at this stage. 00:13:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand that. I mean, we're not probably going to have any more hot weather, but a day of thirty five degrees, people would sort of think, I m okay for a swim. But your recommendation is probably not a good idea. 00:13:44 Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think it's a good idea. Well, there's areas where the bloom hasn't really occurred yet, maybe safe enough, but we haven't seen much evidence of the bloom way up up in the sort of the heart of our laid here, and yet we had that shark come up. Yeah, Henley, so it looks like it looks like almost nowhere. So this is something that I think it's you know, it's not just affecting people like me who divers a marine biologists. It's it's affecting or potentially affecting surfers, fishermen, just people who like to walk along the beach. You just that anybody who goes near the ocean is potentially impacted. 00:14:23 Speaker 1: Would you think that cooler whether we'd redress the problem and probably lower the temperature and therefore make life easier for marine life. 00:14:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh definitely. That's where we're all hanging out for a change, for some southwesterly storms to come in and bring some cooler water. And chune up the water.

This this micro algai likes calm, warm conditions and we just we just need a decent storm to coming. 00:14:49 Speaker 1: Mike, John's on the money has a question for you, John, go ahead, but just a couple of things. 00:14:53 Speaker 4: I'm just about to go to swim. What'soon every day down to someone who park the water is crystal clear? Im any problem anyway? I just we're wondering what the situations with the de sail plant the self theres to coincide with the use of that. I know in the Persian Gulf area where they are, they're pretty well bugged up there. They're waters with the operation of de cel plant. As anyone tested the water the actual. 00:15:16 Speaker 2: Brian there's a lot of testing going on, but I'm not an expert in this area, but my understanding is that there's no known connection between the Brian levels at their solemnity levels and the blood and proliferation of the micro alg So, okay, a saras science knows that that doesn't seem to be an issue. 00:15:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for you call, John. Yeah, I mean until we come up with a theory that well, I mean, people are going to be pretty concerned about this. There's no question about that, and as you suggest, it's probably best to stay out of the water with I mean, it was distressing to see marine life. There was a story the other day of people trying to push a shark back out into the Would you recommend that sort of action, No. 00:16:03 Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I think these four sharks that are coming in close and stranding are obviously in their death throws, and apart from the danger of getting close to a large shark, it's probably not even being being very humane to try and rescue the sharkets. It's obviously in big trouble. 00:16:22 Speaker 1: So what we just need to hope for is for nature to take its course at the moment and cooler weather and some winds and to stir up the algae and wash it way out to sea. 00:16:31 Speaker 5: Exactly. 00:16:32 Speaker 1: YEA, good on your Mike, Thanks for your time today. Thanks doctor Mike Bosley, marine biologist. Obviously very concerned about the not so much of the shark's sightings, but why we're seeing so many of them, the fact that they're coming closer into shore warm water algal blooms. It's obviously a dangerous mix and a dangerous recipe. Interesting to hear that dolphins and whales are not affected. Maybe it's because they don't breathe the way fish breathe. They breathe actually the way we do, so they're not ingesting the water and their oxygen through their gills and the like. That's a theory. A double two three, double doublow back shortly five double. 00:17:14 Speaker 3: A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:17:17 Speaker 1: And we have two tickets to give away to the Blown in the Wind concert celebrating the music of Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, Jooned Bias and the Traveling Wilbreys. If you'd like to be in the running best caller of the morning Blown in the Wind Concerts, eight, double two three, double O, double oh is the number to ring, Michael, says Graham as Mike Bosley said, the months of relentless sunshine, high temperatures and calm seas is the obvious answer to the marine life die off. Is it global warming or part of the natural weather cycle? That is what we need to understand. It's reported that Clive Palmer spent sixty million dollars on the election. If Clive wants to be remembered, why doesn't he put the money towards building the country. He could build a pipeline to carry water to the south of the country or some other worthwhile project. Aleck, thank you for that. Well, maybe he will need to do that redirector's money because in the next election he won't be able to spend it the way he has do. He only spend sixty million this time. I think the last election he spent over one hundred million dollars. But what will he spend it on in the future. We'll find out maybe. 00:18:17 Speaker 2: Well. 00:18:17 Speaker 1: It was a devastating result for the Liberal Party in the federal election, but the Greens also suffered considerable losses. The Greens have lost two seats in Queensland and leader Adam Band is still striking to hold onto his seat in Victoria. Sarah Hanson Young is a Green Senator from South Australia. She joins me in our Senator good morning to you. 00:18:33 Speaker 6: Good morning Graham. 00:18:35 Speaker 1: It's pretty hard to put a spin on it regarding the Greens after the election. 00:18:39 Speaker 6: Well, in South Australia, the Greens have absolutely matched all of our records. We've had the highest Green vote ever in our state and I've been re elected with the largest swing in the Senate to me in the country, which I'm very very humbled by and thanks for the support from South Australians. That yes, we did suffer some losses two seats in Queensland, but we are still in the count for one to four seats, one in Queensland, two in Melbourne and one in northern New South Wales. The count is taking some time, as we know, when it gets down to preferences and postal votes, it takes some time. But yeah, more people than ever before voted Green at this election across the country. Greens now have balance of power in our own right in the Senate and we'll be looking at how we use that wisely, how we deliver on the things that the community wants, and really holding the new Labor government to account while working with them to deliver better results for the community. 00:19:50 Speaker 1: You've said that the vote across the nation is as good as it's ever been. What factors are behind the losses in the Queensland. 00:19:57 Speaker 6: Then what's happened is that while more people have voted for the Greens than ever before, we didn't get the concentrated preference flow that we needed in those two seats in Queensland. The Liberal Party vote just tanked and of course those people rather than preferencing the Greens, a big chunk of those Liberal votes went through to the Labor Party and so you know, we're kind of our candidates were left stranded and

I think it's you know, that's the result of the preferential system. I don't think we can put any spin on that. But our vote as it actually was pretty much held up even in Queensland, but it's surged in other parts around the country and it actually means now that our parliament is the most progressive parliament it's ever been an increase in Labor members of his a landside for the Labor government, but a massive increase in people who voted Green or smaller or independent parties. It's funny when we kind of look at all of the seats that the Labor Party has won to form government, yet Labor has had a much smaller part of the pie in terms of their first preferences. More people than across the country voted for parties other than the Labor Party. So it's a funny quirk in the system. 00:21:34 Speaker 7: But we've got a Labor. 00:21:36 Speaker 6: Government in power. The Conservatives in terms of the Peter Dutton Liberal Party have been smashed and now we have strong results for Greens and Independence and I think it means we can get some good things done in this Parliament. I'm actually very hopeful and very optimistic. And I must say I am really proud of South Australians for how South Australians came out in force and voted for progressive policies and against that kind of nasty Trump style politics. But I'm proud to be Australian because it wasn't just in Essay, although we had the strongest swing to progressive candidates. The whole country said no to the Trump style nastiness and that makes me proud to be Australian. People want us to deliver on the solutions and the issues that they are facing. Cost of living is huge. How we look after our environment is fundamental. They certainly didn't want us to just follow down the American path. We're not America and Donald Trump is not our president. So Australians have sent a really strong message on that. 00:22:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, Senator, the showing in Southastradia, as you've said, was strong. Is that more a reflection on your personal following than the Green's policies. 00:22:55 Speaker 6: Look, I think we ran a really, really good campaign here. We had fantastic candidates in each of the Lower House seats and Katie McCusker had a good showing in Sturt. We had a wonderful candidate, Joanna Wills in Boothby. You know, our candidates and their teams came out in force. We had more people volunteering on this election campaign for the Greens than ever before. We had fifteen hundred people out on polling booths on Saturday, and we'd done. 00:23:30 Speaker 8: Two weeks worth of pre poll. 00:23:32 Speaker 6: Beforehand, and this was a people powered campaign. So I feel very humbled that South Australians have put their trust in me. But it's not just about me at all. This is about where the Greens are in South Australia and that we work with and represent our community here and I think it puts us in a very very strong position to the upcoming state election in March. 00:23:55 Speaker 1: Adam Band's leaderships come under scrutiny after Lower House losses and that he is battling to hold his seat In light of that, would you consider putting your name forward for leadership of the Greens. 00:24:07 Speaker 6: Well, we're still waiting to see how those results transpires in Melbourne. We're confident that Adam will hold on once we get through all those the preference counts and the postals and the absentee votes. So it's too early to start kind of making assumptions on that. I think Adam has run a very good campaign for the nation. We've come up short in those two seats in Brisbane, and I don't think we can sugarcoat that. Having said that, as I said, you know, the massive drop in the coalition vote around the country made it near impossible to get enough preference flows to keep the Greens in the race. So you know, Liberals preferenced Labor candidates in those seats over the Greens, and they've got you know, they've helped. 00:25:02 Speaker 2: Elect as Busy as Leader. 00:25:05 Speaker 6: Of the Country. 00:25:08 Speaker 2: Of my full support, and. 00:25:09 Speaker 6: I will be working every day to make sure we now deliver with the strongest result in the Senate we have ever had and balance the power in the Senate. I'll be working every day not just for the issues that we took to the election, but to make sure that our state is represented. There's some really big issues that southas that will impact South Australia in this term of government. And the main one that comes to mind right now, Graham is the Murray Dialing Basemin. The new plan and management for the Murray Dolling Basemin will be debated and implemented in this term of government, and I'm determined to make sure that South Australia gets a good deal out of that, that we are front and center in those discussions, and that our state and our Murray is not left high and dry. 00:26:00 Speaker 1: Now Santa, we have a statement of comment from the text line good morning Graham. I was a Greens vade up until this election. They should stick to looking after the environment and not supporting Palestinian terrorists. Your comment, well, I. 00:26:12 Speaker 6: Think that that's the pretty inflammatory comment. Of course, we care about the environment, care about climate, and I'm saying, you know, having a strong voice for South Australia to debate and stand up for our Murray's I think what is going on in the Middle Eastern in Gaza is a humanitarian catastrophe, and you know, we have to understand that as human being, protection of innocent children and peace is should be the aim and should be what we as a democratic, peaceful nation, we should be lending our voices to encourage and do what we can to make sure that innocent children and families are protected. 00:27:00 Speaker 1: Congratulations on being reelected. That's Sarah Hanson Young, Green senator and perhaps a leader of the Greens nationally. With Adam Bant struggling to hold his seat, out of the last I heard he was three thousand

votes behind, while Sarah Hanson Young remained optimistic. I think the feeling is by objective observers that he will struggle to keep his seat. Therefore the Greens will be looking for a new leader. Gg Frank says, real Greens nailing cow flutes to trees, which kills them. Okay, dear Graham, Sarah Hanson Young is correct. Trump is not our president. Not sure why he lives rent free in her head. Please explain how you get more votes than ever before but have won only one seat and Adam might lose his seat, which is the best news ever? What happens when your state won't stand in front of the Australian flag, says Frank. Well, Frank, when it comes to yes, they got more votes than ever before. That was in the Senate, the upper and it was only marginally more than last time, but it was more in the Lower House, they have fewer votes and Adam Bant looks like succumbing. Eight double two to three double o doublow is the number to ring a reminder that this morning, for the best care of the morning, we have two tickets to give away to the Blow and in the Wind concert celebrating Dylan cash Byers and the Traveling Woolberys. Haven't they been responsible for some great music over the years. Two tickets to give away during the morning, may it be you. Eight double two three double doublo is the number to ring. Still to come and in fact after the break, Donald Trump called Anthony Albanezi after the election, said they had a good chat. Albows agreed with that they had a good chat. Mentioned tariff's mentioned orcus not to any great depth, no doubt, but more of that is to come. But the big move overnight was Donald Trump suggesting a one hundred percent tariff on all foreign movies, which would have a massive impact on the Australian of the industry, which does very nicely, thank you, by incentivizing Hollywood to bring its movies make their movies in Australia. Donald Trump saying it's decimating the movie industry in Hollywood and he wants to keep it there. It will have a big impact on Australia. We're going to talk about the tariffs and the fact that Donald Trump also wants to reopen Alcatraz as a prison not a tourist attraction. We're going to have a chat with Funders University US politics expert Professor rod Riguo Preno. Coming up shortly. 00:29:31 Speaker 3: Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:29:35 Speaker 1: Twelve to ten, five double A on a Tuesday morning. Good morning to if you've just joined in, thanks for coming on board eight double two to three double o double. If you want to take part in the show. I would certainly love to hear from you. Let's take a hold Duncan good morning. 00:29:47 Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, Graham, how are you good? 00:29:49 Speaker 10: Thanks glad. 00:29:51 Speaker 11: Greens ever actually want to see right by themselves or they derive on getting prefer. 00:29:56 Speaker 12: Oh because good reason. 00:29:57 Speaker 13: I say that, Sarah. 00:30:00 Speaker 11: The reason they lost a Brisbane seats because the Coalition gave their presences to Labor, which the Greens, I ironically the Greens to spend their whole entire electoral campaign or you know, the whole time they've been going blaming the Coalition for everything. So it's kind of ironic that they lost their seats to Brisbane because of the coalition when all they've done is blaming the correlation for everything. 00:30:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, you make a good point there. I'm just trying to think. I'm not aware of them winning by an absolute majority. I think Brown would be the only one I reckon back in the day in Tasmania. Could well be, Yes, yes, could well be. 00:30:36 Speaker 11: It's just an interesting they talk about how relevant they all are and a text to ask about the Palestinian thing. Maybe they should focus on local issues and loads of things instead of worrying about international policies where they never have an impact with it. 00:30:47 Speaker 1: Anyway, good on your Duncan. Thanks for the input. I appreciate it and we'll investigate that to see if the Greens have ever won a seat in their own right. And I tend to agree with you that if there was one, it would be Bob Brown because he did have a huge following in Tasmania. Well. In the wake of Labour's resounding election, when Anthony Albanesi has received a call from Donald Trump, PM said he had a warm conversation with the US President on tariff and the orcust defense packed after his election victory. No doubt there'll be more in depth talks following on foreign films because that is the order of the day. I think that's stune so many people that Donald Trump has suggested a one hundred percent tariff on all foreign films and that would have a huge impact here in the Australian film industry. I mean that generates about five billion dollars to the Australian economy. Well, to discuss the election the likely impact on US Australia relations, Flinder's UNI SA US politics expert Professor Rodrigo Preno, Professor, good morning to you. 00:31:50 Speaker 14: Good morning. 00:31:52 Speaker 1: It would appear that Donald Trump, phoning Anthony Albanesi so soon would suggest that the victory was well receive you've buy Donald Trump. 00:32:02 Speaker 14: Well, I wouldn't read too much into into the phone call itself. I think it's it's more of a customary thing to phone and talk to ward leaders that win an election to just congratulate them. I think what was interesting is what Anthony aband has just said about the phone call that he tried to work into the conversation, which was essentially just Donald Trump calling a saying congratulations, for winning the election. But he seems to be able to have been able to work into the conversation a little bit of a plea for for the deal on terrors for Australian goods they get exported into the US, So that it would be interesting to see whether or not there's going to be any follow up on that specific point. And he also told us that they briefly talked about August as well. We don't we don't hear

Donald Trump talking much about August, so any information we may be able to get about what he thinks about the deal is very valuable to us. 00:32:59 Speaker 1: At this stage, has Donald Trump shifted ground much on the tariffs with any country so far, not at all. 00:33:06 Speaker 14: He goes back and forth, and he talked about slashing terrriffs. He has said recently that the one hundred and forty five percent tariff on China is going to and I kind of like loosely quote he said something as along the lines of like it will eventually go down because otherwise we can't do any business with them. But other than that, there hasn't been much movement. They keep the administration keeps saying that they have been striking deals with countries left and right. But they don't release any details on these deals, so we haven't we're not sure about what they're doing, how they're doing, and what they have accomplished or not accomplished. 00:33:46 Speaker 4: At the stage. 00:33:47 Speaker 1: What impacts of the tariffs having on the US economy at the moment. 00:33:52 Speaker 14: At the moment, not much because it takes a little bit of time, right. But the issue is that the impact of the US economy, if continues through this course, is going to be incredible. Economists agree in predicting a slowdown of the US economy, if not a recession. There are reports of people talking about the possibility of COVID level supply chain issues in the US because think about it, it's not only finished products, right, It's not only I don't know, South Australian bottled wine that gets sent to the US as a finished product and then purchased by people. It's all sorts of raw materials. It's all sorts of parts and pieces that is utilized in various stages of production that gets hit by these terris So it could create a major chaos for the US economy. 00:34:44 Speaker 1: Do we have any indication how well thought through Donald Trump's calls because every day something different, like all of a sudden one hundred percent taroff on foreign films. Do you think he would have sought advice before coming out and saying something like that. 00:34:58 Speaker 14: He probably seeks advice. The question is whether or not he's seeking advice from the right people. Right, he notoriously has surrounded himself during the second term with people who tend to agree with his ideas, propositions, and opinions, and so the question is whether or not the advice he's getting his sound advice from what he has done during his first term. From the you know this one hundred days or so of his second term, we can say that the chaotic models of parantique sort of like continuous right. He starts sayings, he tracks back, he makes announcements, He then goes back on his word. He does one thing, he does another, he does one eighties all the time. It's very chaotic. But what appears from the outside is that when they announce something, they don't have a fully worked out plan on how to see it through. And this is probably the reason why in one hundred days during the second term he has done so much, accomplished so much, and started so many things. Because know, because they are rushed rather than than thought carefully and planned carefully and you know, sought advice and and and understand the full impact of the actions. 00:36:11 Speaker 1: He's also suggested that Alcatraz might be reopened. Now, do you think this is a thought bubble or this is being thought through? 00:36:18 Speaker 14: It's a it's a publicity stint. Honestly, like Cocatraz is old, it's it's apparently in very bad shape. The agreement seems to be that spending money to try to to try to make it operational is sort of an insane idea. But it is the most well known prison probably in human history, right or close to it. So it's it's it has like that kind of like symbolic element to it. And so someone who wants to be or at least who wants to appear being, you know, tough on law and order and and very and deliver on some of these campaign promises to someone like this, Alcatraz is a jewel, right, It's something that you know, you can point to and say, like, I'm going to reopen the most harsh prison in the US soil that has ever existed, in one of the most famous prisons in history. But whether or not it's possible to do it, I'm not sure. Consensus so far that I have gathered seems to be that the cost would be massive, possibly even impossible to reopen. So it's, in my opinion, a large publicity stint of the kind of Donald Trump loves. 00:37:33 Speaker 1: There's a difference that we don't quite understand on the s datia because we have a government and we have an opposition. Who if the government comes out or the Prime Minister comes out and makes a pronouncement, the opposition can come out in an organized way and put up a counter argument. But that doesn't exist in the US, does it. There is no organized opposition to the president now. 00:37:55 Speaker 14: There is the part of the lost the election. So the Democrats are still there, of course in a lot of the do serve in the US Congress, although they're not in a majority in either one of the houses, so both the House Represidents and the Senate are controlled by Republicans now. But what the US doesn't have is essentially a shadow cabinet. Right, they don't have a very clear leader of the opposition, so there's no one who gets nominated leader of the party. The party that lost the election. And they don't have a shadow cabinet, so they don't have individuals assigned to specific areas that take care of the portfolio in case they win the next election. There's no such thing. Now it's going to be interesting because what we need to remind ourselves is that the US is do to vote again next year for the midterms. So November twenty twenty six, there's going to be a midterm election where the entirety of the US House of Representatives will go up for the election, as well as one third of the US Senate. And so that means that by the end of

this year, members of the House and a third of the Senate is going to enter in electoral campaign mold essentially because the campaigns in US are much longer than the ones we have here in Australia. So although right now the Democratic Party seems to be in shambles and seems to have no direction, the hope is that they start getting organized at least to put up a good fight for the midterm elections next year by the end of this. 00:39:29 Speaker 1: Year, Coronia, Professor, appreciate your insight. That's Professor Rodrigue Prena Flinness University, US Politics expert. It's two minutes to ten on five Double A. When we come back after the news, Thesi Industry Climate Change Conference coming up, will tell you all about it. 00:39:44 Speaker 3: Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:39:48 Speaker 1: As we enter the second hour of the show, Good morning to you Lanceys on TV last night. I wonder what the Greens think of the mass destruction of the environment to put up more non recyclable wind tis a disgrace. Lind says. We vote in elections in how we want our tax to be spent, not in what's happening in other Middle East countries. Good on you, Lynn, Thank you for that, Graham. Why would the Greens look for a new leader, shouldn't they recycle an old one? Jamie very clever Well South. The Stradia's Industry Climate Change Conference twenty twenty five is coming up later this week. It's a major event that brings together experts, industry leaders, policymakers and innovators to talk about the big issues and opportunities around climate change. To tell us more about it, as Martin Hazy, chair of the Premier's Climate Change Council. Martin, good morning to you. 00:40:34 Speaker 8: Graham, Good morning and thanks for having me on the program. 00:40:37 Speaker 1: So what's the focus of this conference. 00:40:40 Speaker 8: The first inaugural conference was held in April twenty twenty three, So this Thursday and Friday, the Industry Climate Change Conference at the Airblaigh Convention Center is a sustainability conference for the business community, and in doing so, it's a very practical conference by business people for business people, which focuses on things like energy efficiency, the impacts of extreme weather events on the business community, what that means for them in terms of mitigating risk, insurance, what's happening in the insurance market, what do their customers expect, what do their employees expect, And then we look at sectors like the agriculture sector, which of course I think Graham it was only today that it was reported that we've had the hottest start to any year in South Australia since records have been kept, which is quite extraordinary. So we've certainly got a lot of empathy for the agricultural communities around South Australia and we're going to have a healthy contingent of people coming to the Adelaide Convention Center talk about what's happening in the agg market as a result of the changing climate. 00:41:50 Speaker 1: And what speakers can we expect to hear. 00:41:54 Speaker 14: We've got a. 00:41:54 Speaker 8: Great line up to speakers. We've got John Dee who is a entrepreneur and a broadcaster. John has launched many ventures over the years in this sustainability space. Sarah Barker who's the managing director of a company called Pollination Law, and Sarah talks very articulately about climate risk and what that means to the business community. Everyone knows and loves Tim Jarvis, of course South Australian of the Year in twenty twenty four. The Premier is speaking, the Deputy Premier is speaking. Doctor Pep Canadell who's the chief research scientist from CIROH. He's going to be speak really about the data, about the facts. Abigail Forsyth, who is a CEO and a founder of a very innovative startup company, Craig rew Castle. Of course many people know Craig from War on Waste, which was the television program. And in fact there's about seventy speakers and panelists across two days. Glad there's a and Friday, and given South Australia's i'd hope rising chances of hosting a United Nations Conference here in Adelaid next year. There's a lot of interest in the Industry Climate Change Conference this Thursday and Friday at the Adelaid Convention Center. 00:43:17 Speaker 1: Well, the subject of high costs to industry of power prices be discussed, because there are many industries who are really struggling as power prices go up. 00:43:28 Speaker 8: Graham, Yes, it will. This is a very pragmatic conference. The largest majority of people at the conference will be people who own, operate and manage small to medium sized businesses right across the state and right across all industries. So it's almost an industry agnostic conference. But what is not agnostic is the cost of energy that impacts all businesses. So yes, absolutely that will be discussed. 00:43:55 Speaker 1: And there's no doubt that there are some industries that, while it's all well and good to move towards renewables, but some heavy industries in particular can't get by with renewables. They need high, extremely high, in fact, continuous temperatures that renewables at this stage can't provide. 00:44:13 Speaker 8: We've got sessions which are specifically looking at topics like back Graham. So we've got sessions which focus on decarbonization for heavy industry. We've got sessions that are more focused on small to medium sized enterprises because you're exactly right, the dynamics of both of those are quite different, as are of course, the energy needs. So we're expecting about eight hundred delegates at this conference and it's very practical. It's all about educating and informing and inspiring business people in South Australia about what does sustainability. 00:44:48 Speaker 2: Mean to me? 00:44:49 Speaker 8: What does it mean to my business? What does it mean to my employees, my customers, my stakeholders, my shareholders, all of the people that are important to your enterprise will be at

this conference and speaking about what it means to them. So it's a very practical, take home value conference which we're very pleased to be running for the second time in twenty twenty five. 00:45:10 Speaker 1: Are there any other conferences of this kind being run around Australia? 00:45:14 Speaker 3: Graham? 00:45:15 Speaker 13: They're not. 00:45:16 Speaker 8: There are, of course, energy conferences, and although we do talk about energy, this conference goes much further than the topic of energy. We look at waste and recycling, We look at land uice, we look at soil, we look at farming, we look at carbon accounting, we look at heavy manufacturing, we look at distribution, we look at trade, we look at retail, we look at hospitality, we look at tourism. 00:45:41 Speaker 14: What does the. 00:45:41 Speaker 8: Green economy mean to someone operating a tourism business in South Australia and can that give you a competitive edge. 00:45:50 Speaker 5: We look at all sectors. 00:45:51 Speaker 8: And in that regard Graham, that makes South Australia's Industry Climate Change Conference this Thursday and Friday very unique. 00:46:00 Speaker 1: Is it too late for business? Is interested to register? 00:46:04 Speaker 8: We welcome more registrations. We're very attractively priced at three hundred and ninety five dollars for a small to medium sized business owner or operator for a two day conference including. 00:46:15 Speaker 2: Food and beverage. 00:46:16 Speaker 8: That's a terrifically attractive price because we want as many people from across South Australias to join us. So all they need to do is visit Climate twenty five dot com dot au very easy to register. We're open for registrations. We're going to have some eight hundred people joining us on Thursday or Friday, maybe more. There's been a great deal of interest in the conference. It's very practical and it's for business people by business people. 00:46:45 Speaker 1: Martin Hazy great to chat Premier's Climate Change Council Chairperson Martin Hazy on the SA Industry Climate Change Conference this week. It's fourteen past nine five A and from the text line heard on the news, Tom Cruise is in England making the Last Mission Impossible movie. They are worried Trump's tariffs will affect it. Well, I movie companies around the world will be that actually supplied because America is if it. Maybe Europe is the biggest consumer of movies, bigger than the US, but the US is a huge market. And at the moment, if all foreign movies are hit with a one hundred percent tariff, I don't know how that that's imposed. Does that mean when you go along to the movies, instead of paying fifteen dollars you pay thirty dollars? I don't know. I'm not sure how it would work. But you know, when Donald Trump comes out with these things, they're not necessarily fully thought through. And to his credit, he hasn't said there will be one hundred percent tariff. He's considering it and he will speak with the movie industry. But what impact will have we know will have a huge impact on the Australian movie industry because we provide insaneives. But Holly would come bring their film productions out to Australia and we subsidize them and it generates five billion dollars for the Australian economy, which is pretty serious money. But if these tariffs are imposed, that will no longer happen. We'll find out more about that as the day progresses. Eight double two three double double back shortly. 00:48:21 Speaker 3: Five double A Mornings with Graham, goodings. 00:48:25 Speaker 1: And good morning to you. At nineteen past ten five double A. A reminder, we have two tickets to give away to the Blow and in the Wind concert celebrating Dylan Cash Bayers and the Traveling Wilbury's Great music, great show, well worth it. Two tickets to give away to the best call of the morning. It could be you. You have to do his phone Eight double two three double O double ow is the number Graham. Excuse the pun, but isn't this all hot air? Whilst all these experts are talking, prognosticating and theorizing the world's climate, ecology is deteriorating. Like so many I fear for my grandchildren's future. 00:48:57 Speaker 3: Thank you. 00:48:57 Speaker 1: John Steve says climate change, it's all about the money. Gigi gather to talk about the climate change, all flying around and driving petrol cars hypocrites. Hi Graham, can you please post me some thickened cream asap? I need it to go with my large serve of humble pie. I have texted your show regularly advocating labor would be kicked out of government for the mess of our country is in. But I was wrong. I can't believe the Australian public want more of the same. My personal opinion, I think mister Dutton is a good person but misread the room, so to speak. Do you kind regards Mark and Hall at Cove, Well, good on you Mark for coming clean on that and admitting them having you eat some humble pie. Regarding Peter Dutton, he was the wrong choice every indication. I get. He's a pretty good bloke, but being a good bloke doesn't make you a good politician, doesn't make you certainly a good prime minister. And you know what was the old saying nice guys finished last, not making any excuses for him. But his policies, the way he sold them, were not good enough. They were not up to it, and people were happy to put up with more of the same because that was Dunton's line along the time. Do you feel better? Are you better off than you were three years ago? 00:50:12 Speaker 15: You know? 00:50:12 Speaker 1: Do you want more of the same? Well, people obviously said by comparison to you, mister Dutton, Yes we do. Hi gg Why can't pollies just answer the question and not side shift to take the heat off them. I'm just so sick of it. From one tied draught stricken air Peninsula farmer on TV last night, I wonder what the Greens think of the mass destruction of the environment to put up more non recyclable wind taras and climate change is all about the money. And

Martin Hasey hinted at it there or hinted and mentioned the fact that Australia was bidding will bid for a COP thirty one conference. I didn't take him up on that because anyone that listens to me regularly would know that I have very very strong views about the hypocrisy of hosting COP thirty one. I will certainly pursue it at another I would like to do it with the premiere. But this business of you know all or you know, what can we do about the climate and reducing our CO two levels and hosting a conference that will bring thirty thousand people from as far away as seventeen thousand kilometers. How are they going to get here? They're going to come in planes, a lot of them on private jets. Talk about pumping CO two into the atmosphere, So you know, don't tell me that. You know where it's all about making a safer environment, a cleaner environment. If you want to fly in thirty thousand people from the other side of the planet, don't tell me that. And I know, look, if it's on economic grounds, terrific, it is a wonderful thing to do. It would be sensational for southa Strata, sensational for Adelaide, sensational for the nation. It will bring in perhaps billions of dollars, and that's great. But that's what it is. If you're saying it's about improving the environment in lowering our CO two levels, it's a lot of crap. It's not going to do that. In fact, you're going to increase the levels. And all that talk in the world. You know what you can do with that talk. You could do it on a virtual conference. Remember Zoom conferences. Remember COVID. All conferences were held for several years via COVID, and they were big conferences, tens of thousands of people involved in these conferences, and nobody had to leave their home. Nobody had to jump on a plane, nobody had to jump at a car. They did it from home. We could do it if we're if they're really serious about lowering the CO two levels, improving the environment, lessening our carbon footprint, do it from home. Don't jump on a plane, you know. I mean, it is just so hypocritical, and it really worries me that once once they come out here, you get the climate activists. There are plenty of climate activists out there who will remind us that we pump more CO two into the atmosphere and not this country. We are responsible for about one percent. What about our exports. We're the second biggest coal exporter in the world. We're the second biggest gas exporter in the world. Someone else is burning it up, aren't they. Now, if we're deadly serious, and I's saying do this, But if we're deadly serious about this, we can make a big impact on the world's pollution levels by banning coal exports, by banning gas exports. Oh yes, it had hurt our bottom line. And that's why we're not even thinking about it. But to say that we can make an impact on cutting down the World CO two levels by reducing our emissions and going one hundred percent renewables is rubbish. Is absolutely rubbish. We can make a one percent difference, but we can make a many percent difference if we stopped exporting coal to China and Korea and other countries throughout Asia, stopped exporting gas, which is not as I think oil is the second biggest polluter. Coal is the biggest, oil is second, gas is third. But gas can be an even bigger polluter with the leakages of methane, which happened quite often evidently. So you know, we're going to bring the focus on ourselves. We want this cop conference to come here and say, look at what we're doing. We're almost reaching net zero, We've got all these renewables, and they only need someone to say, well, yeah, but your country is exporting you're the second largest exporter of coal in the world. You're the second largest exporter of gas in the world. How do you justify that you can put up as many windmills as you like and solar panels in Australia and in South Australia, but that impact is virtually zero point zero in Australia, the double two three double if you'd like to comment on that, Sorry, it gets This is why I didn't bring it up with Martin Hazy, because we get totally distracted, and I think there are times for doing that and I will certainly do that at another time. Graham. When voting on Saturday, I was a started to see the Greens advertising placards were all care flute, what hypocrites. Good on your Toney, Thank you very much. Good on your Graham. I fully agree with you. Good on your lin. Thank you for that very much, Graham. Do Australians know that the Climate conference is stressful, dedicated almost exclusively from people companies that make a bucket load of money from green energy. Climate change is as much a political agenda in essay about the environment. The people that benefit most are rich people, including politicians. Good on your John, Yeah, excuse the pun, but isn't this all hot air? While all these experts are talking prognosticating and theorizing the world's climate of ecology is deteriorating. Climate change is all about the money. I don't know that it's all about the money, but there are two sides to the story, I must say, and it does annoy me indeed, But no doubt we're going to now that the Prime Minister, the Labour Party has been re elected and they're very keen to get the COP thirty one conference here in Australia. That will be pushed ahead with And yeah, I'd like to know your thoughts on that. Maybe I'm going down a path that is totally unnecessary and I should look at the big picture say yeah, but it won't be great for the economy of South Australia. Yes it will be great. Yes, it will be great. But don't be fooled by any means into thinking that having the COP conference here will do anything for the environment. In fact, it will harm the environment. Joe, good morning, Good morning to you Graham. 00:56:26 Speaker 16: I just culdious. I wonder if you could find out just roughly how many people vote for someone to be voted in in the electorate, Like, is it ten or twelve? I've heard this over the years.

It's a small number to vote in the electorate to send someone to be voted in when the elections come. 00:56:46 Speaker 1: Along, you mean like preselection. 00:56:48 Speaker 16: Yes, And I couldn't think of the word and we they're just walking up. But it's my understanding is it's not very many, and they're plainly not voting the right people in to be elected. 00:57:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're talking specific parties, they have local branches, they have registered members. 00:57:09 Speaker 16: And there's not hundreds hundreds down to vote. 00:57:12 Speaker 1: Probably not, probably not. I don't know how. 00:57:15 Speaker 17: Many you could. 00:57:16 Speaker 16: Maybe you could find out. 00:57:17 Speaker 1: We will try and find out it. 00:57:19 Speaker 16: Would it take sense of what I'm saying. Yeah, so many politicians didn't get elected, but they were elected in the first place. So does that mean the electing dodos to be voted in bios that type of thing. 00:57:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, well, we'll do what we can to find out. Joe, I'm not quite sure. The pre selection process would be, you know, the Young Labor, Young Liberals and so forth, and the local governments members. People join up their party and they have a right in pre selection. You put your name forward and be and you know your lobby. It's like a minor election. But the number of people that are involved in that would be very small. That's there's no doubt about that. But the quality of candidate I guess that varies on every electron electorate. Eight double two three double O double is the number will take a break and be back shortly five Double. 00:58:13 Speaker 3: A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:58:16 Speaker 1: Good Morning, twenty eight minutes to eleven five Double A. John says, Hi, Gram, banning coal exports will do nothing for the environment. The gap will be filled by someone else, possibly with lower quality coal. See John, I hear what you're saying. But the hole in your argument is that the drug dealer's defense. You know, well, if I don't supply them the drug, someone else will. Really, so you think that's okay here that look someone else and give them the coal we will. I'm not saying, you know these people that suggest you know you're for banning coals. I no, I don't want to ban coal sales. I don't want to ban gas sales. But I'm saying we're being hypocritical in this country pushing so hard for net zero when we produce one percent of the CO two levels in the world, and yet we export cole and gas, which is causing way more pollution. So now I'm not for banning it, but I'm saying we are total hypocrites in this country. Howry, Good morning, Good Graham. 00:59:12 Speaker 5: I hope you and the listeners are will very well. 00:59:15 Speaker 1: I think I can speak on behalf of the listeners. 00:59:17 Speaker 5: Ah good, I did, Graham, And I have to say this too. The only place where I actually hear just the news and only opinions from commentators, but I hear the news on the news is. 00:59:29 Speaker 17: Five double a. 00:59:30 Speaker 5: Everyone else has given us opinions. 00:59:32 Speaker 1: Good on you please to hear that. Thanks all that, Harry, and. 00:59:35 Speaker 5: Also Graham Olso, and I'll reiterate that as far as I'm concerned, Laby, the Greens and the Teals are a threat to the national security of Australia and I can't stand the Liberal Party and I have to be honest with you, Graham, Alexantiic, just Sinker Price, Andrew Hasty and James Patterson are the only people who can save the Federal Liberal Party as far as I'm concerned, and as far as voting in the communist the globalist Alban easy And by the way, I'm not and I haven't confirmed this yet, but the strong rumor is that he's been under investigation by the Independent Commission against Corruption since last year. 01:00:20 Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard anything along those lines. Good on your Harry, Thanks for your call. Moving right along now and it's what twenty seven minutes to eleven households bracing for another cost of living hit with local councils looking at significant high grades from this July. Councils are currently setting their budgets for the next financial year, some pushing for rate increases of up to six percent. Joining now is Lgasac Clinton during Clinton, Good morning to you. How are you today? 01:00:50 Speaker 18: I'm well, thank you. 01:00:51 Speaker 1: So is this fair to assess that there will be rises across the board? 01:00:57 Speaker 18: Look certainly, from what we've seen so far, there are a number of councils that are looking for increases, and I should point out to the listeners that the period we're going into now is the opportunity that you all have to have a conversation with your counsel if you feel that there are other things they could be looking at. And that consultation process is a really important part of how councils set rates. So listening to the community is really really important, and that's where we are at the moment. 01:01:29 Speaker 1: And the figures between two and a half and six percent of being listed across the board, I guess different councils have different requirements and different needs. And different cost structures. Would that be a fair assessment up to six Yeah, it certainly. 01:01:44 Speaker 18: Is, grahamon And that's part of the challenge when we come to this part of the year because, as you point out, what councils do across the state is very different and the size of the councils is quite different too, So what might be a five percent rate increase in one council might be covered by a two percent one in another. So it is really important that when you're having a look at this, you have a look at it in mind of what your council area is doing. And it is tricky because the two options that councils really have is to either cut the services that they're doing to keep the cost down or to sort of increase rates. And I think for all of our councils, I can speak on their

behalf as you could on your listeners before saying that they're good. They do absolutely look at keeping costs that are the costs are going up as a minimum as possible. They look under every stone, checking every crack and do what they can to keep those increases as low as possible. 01:02:50 Speaker 1: Obviously, councils, just like everyone else they're hit by cost of living increases across the board. What does this one look like being compared to recent rate rises. 01:03:00 Speaker 18: What we've seen so far is it is less than we have seen over the last couple of years. There's been some absolutely terrible increases in costs across the board for everybody. Let's be honest, in our shopping baskets when we're filling up the car, and councilors are not immune to that. This year, though, it looks like those increases are going to be less than they have been in past couple of years. And many of our council through COVID didn't pass any increases on it all through that period, and so there was a period of catch up that happened on the other side of COVID, and it looks to be sort of leveling out a little bit now, which is good for our households. 01:03:41 Speaker 1: So you're saying that the councils are formulating their likely increases now, and rate players are advised to actually get in touch with the council and put their case. I mean, will the councils be listening now? 01:03:53 Speaker 18: Yeah, most definitely. And I can genuinely say I've seen Councils move things, change things depending on that feedback that they're getting. It is a really important part of the process, and every council is doing slightly different things, but there might be meetings, it might be opportunities to submit something in writing. You can make a deputation to council so you can go and speak to your counsel. I always encourage people to have good ideas, and council is always happy to do that. I was talking to one the other day and they were saying that they've had about two thousand submissions to their plans, So that's a really important message to so you know what. They listen and they're keen on that feedback and you do see changes as a result of that. 01:04:36 Speaker 1: What impact does increasing property values have on rates. 01:04:41 Speaker 18: It's a common misconception that when our house prices go up, councils automatically get more money. So probably the easiest way to explain it is the value A general comes up with those amounts, and that's completely separate to counsel. What council then does is firstly work out what their budget is going to look like from a cost perspective, and then they divide that amount across the total value of all of the properties in that council area, and that gives that rate in the dollar number that we all see on our council rates, and then that's applied to those costs. So if your property value goes up, theoretically your rates could stay very similar depending on what the actual costs are the council are looking to recover. So if you get your rates notice, then you disagree with the value. I know we all often look at our council rates to see what the property value is looked buck. But if you disagree with that, there's some instructions on the back of your rates notice to appeal that, and there's a process. 01:05:40 Speaker 4: You can follow it. 01:05:41 Speaker 1: Good on your Clinton, thanksfull the advice Clinton Jury. So you are the Local Government Association of South Australia. Well, all of us property owners are impacted when the rates go up. All councils have different ways and means of putting their rates up, but they do always head north, they never head south. But the impact of later is even more. I mean, the cost of living crisis is hitting even those that in the past would be considered to be doing quite nicely. It's not just the very low incomings who are being impacted. Ross Womersley is the CEO of the South Australian Council of Social Services ROS. Good morning, Good morning Graham. People are struggling another rate rise. What impact would that have? 01:06:23 Speaker 9: Well, it just adds to the cost stack that people have been subject to over the last period of time. And we would absolutely be echoing Clinton's call to suggest that rate payers look carefully at what their councils are proposing in terms of what they feel as a reasonable increase in their rates and to really question the value proposition. Are the rates going up going to contribute to new services or in fact repairing old services in a way that will be really useful for your community. But of course, the people who are going to have the hardest time managing any increase in their cost stack at the moment are going to be those people who are on low and fixed incomes and whose incomes just haven't risen in line with even inflation in this instance. 01:07:19 Speaker 1: Do you enough if there's any system within local government where if you're just striving and you can't pay your rates, you know you can pay it over time or get some relief. 01:07:29 Speaker 9: Absolutely, most local governments will have arrangements that they can make around payment of rates, And so it would be really important for people who are genuinely in hardship to pick up the phone and talk to their council about what they might be able to do in the interim to deal with the circumstances, particularly if those circumstances are likely to be short term. You would hope that all of our councils will would find they would have mechanisms in place, do have mechanisms in place to actually ensure that people in hardship get some extra support. And in some instances, some councils have gone addition, made additional provisions to recognize that some of their rate payers are going to experience higher levels of hardship and their accounting for that in thinking about how they respond and how they support those people. 01:08:28 Speaker 1: And if rate rises aren't enough, it looks like water bills are going

up all over the state. 01:08:34 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the real challenge with this one. Of course, we heard a while ago that the average water bill was going to increase by about eighty dollars a year for households or for the average household, But the reality is we have been through such a dry year, right that anybody who is trying to maintain a garden is going to suddenly they will have potentially have kept watering their gardens at a rate that helps them to stay green and that's really important for our environment for our wellbeing. However, the cost is likely to be found in the amount of water that we're actually using and the impacts that that's going to have on people suddenly getting bills that they were unexpected. Now, it's not necessarily that because the bill has gone up, it's because we've actually used a whole lot more water because we haven't had the rain in much the same way that our farmers haven't had the rain this year, we haven't had the rain and so that means suburban Adelaide and you know, anybody across South Australia probably has been spending more time watering their garden and as a result, we're likely to have higher bills. 01:09:57 Speaker 1: We've been running the detail plant at one p and it's a non factor that it costs more money to have desalinated water. So maybe that's been factored into Yeah, that was. 01:10:08 Speaker 9: Certainly factored into the increase that was announced last year with the with the review done at that point in time, and so this is this is certainly part of using that infrastructure. We know it's a more expensive way to actually have water, but if we don't get the rain, then we have a very reliable access to things. Now, the real question I suppose that Sayklos worries about in all of these instances is thinking about well for many of us. For people like me, I can probably accommodate these kinds of price fluctuations relatively easily because I have a decent income and I have that that's increased to a degree over the years. For many families on low incomes, particularly people who might be reliant on a pension or who have lost work and are reliant on income support payments like the job seeker payment, those people are going to have the hardest of times dealing with these kinds of cost fluctuations. And we would urge everybody who finds themselves in hardship to reach out to say Water because say Water does have some very clear obligations to support people in hardship, and they will bend over backwards to try and enable some people to be able to get some support if they're having a really hard time. 01:11:40 Speaker 1: Thanks for us sound advice. Good to chat. 01:11:42 Speaker 9: Thank you, Graham Ross. 01:11:44 Speaker 1: Wamsley, CEO of the SA Council of Social Services, on increases in rates, increases in water prices. When wouldn't it be nice to be able to come and say, well, prices are down, folks, cost of livings down, interest rates are down. Dream for the day. It will happen, won't it. Let's hope? So five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. It's nine minutes to eleven five double A high GG on power and coal. I agree with you one hundred percent. We are hypocrites here. We should be using our coal. The real reason Australia not using coal is the Week and Western countries economically and descent or deindustrialize our country. Until Australia wakes up to this communist agenda, it may be too late to reverse the problem which has been purposely created. We're becoming global citizens and losing our sovereignty. If you were listening yesterday you might have heard a call from Allen. He was stunned when he had to have a hip replacement. Even though he had private health cover, he was still going to be thousands of dollars out of pocket. This is his story. 01:12:48 Speaker 15: I'm somewhat in disbelief in regards to I finally have to use my private health which costs me one hundred and sixteen dollars a week to have a hip replacement. And the extra fees in charges charged by the Medical Association doctors and specialists are ten thousand dollars more than it's covered under the under my private policy. After what the doctor surgeon's charging an extra five thousand dollars the charge with an extra five hundred dollars. They didn't send me to a bog billing X ray unit, so I had to pay for that was three hundred and eighty nine dollars and I got eighty four dollars back. And then when I wanted a copy of the X rays and ultra sound, I had to pay for it. And I've got private health cover. I'm in disbelief, sixty four years of age and I have to pay I would think, by the end approximately nine thousand dollars more than my. 01:14:01 Speaker 9: Gold with me. 01:14:02 Speaker 1: And that was Alan's call yesterday. Joining us now is doctor Rachel David, CEO of Private Healthcare Australia. Doctor. Good morning to you, morning, Gray, is Alan's call. Typical of what's happening out there. 01:14:15 Speaker 7: Well, look, I'm actually deeply troubled by what Alan had to say. Health insurers mostly strike no gap fee and non gap fee with doctors, and usually for a hip replacement you would be paying a little bit extra, but it's more like five hundred dollars rather than five thousand. This is really not typical of what people are being charged out of pocket for hip replacements around the country. It sounds very high to me, and I'm wondering what he was told that was for, because what we are seeing in some pockets around the country is inside billing going on that's occurring completely outside of him Metacare and the private health insurance systems, where people are being us for these seeds under the counter. It's very hard for us, all the federal government to keep track of it, and it really is not on in terms of the patient's experience. I'm completely horrified that he's had to encounter this when there are other doctors that would be prepared to perform exactly the same operation, which is a very good, very common

operation for a lot less. But the other thing that I think is interesting here is the drip pricing that he was facing all of these different bills from different providers, and that's something we've absolutely got to fix. I mean, it's been going on for years. It's just worse at the moment because there's been inflation in some of these costs. What we're pushing for, and the federal government has said prior to the election that they're open to reform, is for people to get a single quote before they have surgery, or well before they surgery, so they have a chance to plan for if the e for any out of pocket costs, rather than the supplicing that goes on where you know it really is they've got actually no idea what they're going to be up for until until sometimes even after the surgery. 01:16:16 Speaker 1: I mean, having health insurance private health cover is not cheap. It's pretty expensive. But when you've got it, you expect that will cover you and there might be a small gap which you expect, but not in the thousands of dollars. 01:16:29 Speaker 2: No, this is unusual. 01:16:31 Speaker 7: And unfortunately, if every surgeon did that and the health insurance were, you know, paying everybody an extra five thousand dollars whenever they did surgery, we'd have premiums going through the roof. So what the federal government promised just before the election, which we're very very keen to support, is they've got a website called the Medical Cost find A Website, and they're going to put all of the specialist fees up on that site so that patients have the opportunity to discuss with their GP what the potential cost is is surgery before they're referred. And I think that's really important because if surgeons aren't indulging in their side billing, I build that they're charging patients in ways that the private health funds and the government doesn't know about. Then you know, if the cost find a website says all doctor X charges five hundred dollars out of pocket, and then the patient receives a bill for five thousand, then they've got the ability to query it because this is a legal gray area. And the other thing that we really want I want to encourage the government to do is through the consumer law, which is managed by the AH we'll see or the Competition and Consumer Regulator. We want to ensure that if people aren't informed properly about their bills pride surgery, that they don't have to pay. 01:17:56 Speaker 1: We're hearing stories about the number of people. You know, they go to their GP, get referred to a specialist and they end up not going to the specialists because of the fear of the added cost. 01:18:06 Speaker 7: Well, we're actually we've had data from a number of sources now, a number of surveys and one most recently done by one of the universities in Victoria and the Patient's Australia Association that suggests that one in five people who are referred to as specialist aren't going because they're afraid of the cost. Now, that is very, very troubling. We know anecdotally from the hospital sector that some of these people are getting so sick they're ending up in emergency departments. And the Medical Cost find a website that the government has proposed is going to be a very important first step towards addressing some of these concerns because it helps people kick start a conversation with their GP. I mean some people get very embarrassed whether in front of a doctor to raise issues like cost. I think it's absolutely it is very important to people, particularly in the cost of living crisis, and part of the discussion with the GP about a referral should be well, look how much is this going to cost? And you know, if I don't go down this path, how long will I be expected? Could I expect to wait to buy if I decide to use a public hospital? 01:19:25 Speaker 1: Would you advise people generally to get a second opinion if you're told you know this is going to cost you so much, then go and see another specialist. 01:19:33 Speaker 7: Look, I think sometimes this has made very difficult because people are put under some pressure. I mean I have heard anecdotally from some of the high charging specialists, but often what happens is they're told, all where your surgery is already booked. You know, you've got to have it otherwise, you know, and you've got to pay me this money otherwise you'll lose the booking. 01:19:52 Speaker 2: I mean, all of that's nonsense. 01:19:54 Speaker 7: Really, you do absolutely have the right for a second opinion based on cost. Unfortunately, it does mean another specialist appointment, which can be a couple of one hundred dollars in itself. But the most important thing is is that people talk to their GP first and mention that cost is an issue for them. I think it would be well worthwhile that the particular caller Alan I say, I think it's known was two think a second opinion, because five thousand dollars is off the wall for a hip replacement. And I don't know what whether there was some complication or what excuse was given for charging that amount, but I'm pretty sure that if he was to see GP and talk about a lower cost specialist, that that service would be available in South Australia. 01:20:44 Speaker 1: Doctor. Thank you so much of your time today and your insight. It's most appreciated. That's Private Healthcare Australia CEO, Doctor Rachel David and the Allen Probably cold comfort for you because you've already undergone the surgery and moved on and you've been able to pay the ten thousand dollar, but for other people listening, some good advice Back after the News five Double A. 01:21:06 Speaker 3: Mornings with Graham Goodings. 01:21:09 Speaker 1: At seven past eleven. Good morning to you, hope we find you well. From the text line, Steve says Graham, I agree one hundred percent with your comments on coal and gas exports. I've never heard a counter argument that explains why we should be pursuing one hundred percent renewables with such haste, which is

costing Australians and business and absolute fortune. We should do it gradually and keep energy prices down and support our industries here here, Steve, I agree. I'm more than happy to move towards renewables when they can do the job one hundred percent, but doing it as quickly as we're doing it. There's a huge gap at the moment between what the renewables can do and the gap if the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow, batteries can't do it, and we don't have hydrogen and we don't have other forms to fill in the gap. So coal and gas gas is where it is at the moment, isn't it gg Don't you know burning coal in China doesn't impact weather. It does if burn it in Australia. Okay, thank you for that. I don't know about you, but I love bees. I mean, I've been stung a couple of times over the years, and I don't like that. Have not enjoyed that one bit. But I just love the way the bees work and they work together, and what they do and what they achieve. And I love honey. I devour honey in great quantities even in my tea. And bees play a vital role in our agriculture and biodiversity. They're key pollinators. They help fertilize crops, boost yields, and support food production. Native floor also depends on bees for reproduction. It contributes to a healthy ecosystem. Without bees, many plant species would struggle to survive, and we know what that would lead to. But bees are apparently under threat. Joining men now is Stephan Virgel, the report author at Rabbi Research. Stephan, good morning to. 01:22:55 Speaker 19: You, Good morning to you, Thanks for having me. 01:22:58 Speaker 1: So how serious is the threat to bees? 01:23:01 Speaker 19: Well, we have in twenty twenty two for the first time detected that vera might here on bees. And if you think about wara might it is a nasty little bug that fits on the body of those bees and feeds on them and if you don't treat them properly, within three four years a beehive probably is completely eradicated. So with that, the thread is that this virus or this bug is spreading across the country. And if you think that a bee would be the size of the human, we would actually think about a kind of a football sized living buck on their bodies. So with that it is a big thing for the bees, and as you said, it is an important pollinated bees. Luckily it's only the European honey beef that get infected, but there are many of them around here, and especially those pollinating services we're using, for example, and the almond trees are using those European bees. And with that, if we look at across the world, where can we actually learn what happened when that disease broke out? And we looked into the and into the Canadian market, which already had it in the eighties, that was early on, they lost twenty five percent of the beehives within a decade. We do not expect that for Australia because at that time they didn't know how to treat it. It was all rather new. Nowadays, we rather look maybe at New Zealand, which got it

about two decades ago, and at that time they still lost about ten percent of the beehives. Now ten percent doesn't sound that much, but the problem we have here in Australia is we have a rising demand. We have seen a lot of horticulture growth and fresh product growth here in the country, especially those almond trees, but also several other tree crops that required pollination services, and with that we really can't afford to lose too many of them, because the just pure growth of demand that we're expecting would already be outpaving our supply today in a few years time. With that, let's see that we get it all under control. 01:24:55 Speaker 1: So where does the might come from? Was it introduced for ovasaies obviously years It. 01:25:00 Speaker 19: Probably came in a shipment into the port of Newcastle. The problem there is as a country, we had kind of rules in place to try and eradicate it early on. Unfortunately that did not work out. So we are at the point already for quite a while where we basically have said as a country we can't get rid of the disease. 01:25:21 Speaker 9: We need to live with it. 01:25:22 Speaker 19: So it's going to take a couple of years and it will spread probably further across the country. But as we're looking at it right now, you said it also honey is a part of the product as well, So we are looking at a lot of these bee keepers out there that need to make a margin. And the margin gets more under stress when you have increased cost. And the cost have not only increased because of the typical things like energy is more expensive you just stopped energy anyway, but also wages have gone up with the whole inflation part. Now what we see on top of it there comes extra cost and extra man hours to treat for the disease. So with that, if your costs go up, some body and somehow needs to be paying for that extra costs. And so we are looking at it. The honey price probably will not do the job. We get quite a bit of imported goods that rather cheap prices here, so with that honey will probably not make the difference. We actually look at those pollination services that probably have to pay more. So a lot of the tree crops and other horticulture that require services of pollination will have to prepare for that and develop also strategies how ensure how to ensure in the future to have enough pollination. 01:26:31 Speaker 1: You're saying it's only the European bee that's infected. 01:26:36 Speaker 19: Yes, it's a variety basically the European bee variety, which is rather heavily used here in the country, so the managed pollinators often have them. The others that we see it also is the what we call herald bees, which is basically European bee varieties that many years ago probably lived in a hive and then somebody gave up bee keeping open the door and those bees went into the wild. They are still European varieties, they're still prone. So that we also have quite a bit of native pollinators around, lots of insects. We have some

native bees here, but especially in those crops that really organize and say hey, you need to come from Queensland with your beehives down here to Victoria in the season when we are blooming, when the almonds are blooming, those are very very often the European bee and those are under threat from. 01:27:30 Speaker 1: That might How many different types of bees are they, Oh, there. 01:27:34 Speaker 19: Are plenty of them. I'm not a biologist, so I can't tell you, but there are quite a bit of different and when you talk about pollination, it's not only the bees themselves. We also see other insect being involved. And we also see that for example, a strategy for some of those hortriculture crops is that the breeding technologies move towards can we find a self pollinating crops so I don't need an insect anymore. That's a slow pace. It is ongoing. There's lots of research, there's development, but nobody who planted a tree two years, five years ago will now cut down that tree and replenish it, so it will take time for those technologies to come into play. We also see other technology play its role, so from people who are tried to work with helicopters to do the pollination and get the wind do the job, two drones and on. But the costs most of the time are just much more expensive than using the beautiful bees. And so with that we still expect that bees will have to do quite a bit of the heavy lifting. And if you think about there are companies and sectors like almonds that really need to pay for it. But there's a lot of crops out there. When you go to a supermarket, they don't have pollinators coming in as professionals. They just use the insects and bees that are around to do that. So even for them, it's worthwhile to think, what is a strategy that make me make me a bit more attractive and my far more attractive to those native bees to come to my place rather than to another one. So you can think about flowering strips and all kinds of measures to just be more attractive and attract those bees over to your farm rather than to other places. 01:29:15 Speaker 1: Do we need more beekeepers and beehives in. 01:29:17 Speaker 19: Australia, we would definitely need more. And the good thing that we have seen just before the outbreak of the ROA might be actually seen the numbers of beehives increased and also the number of beekeepers and especially the beekeepers on the recreational side, have gone up. However, what we see in these other countries as soon as the ROA might come within that decade after a lot of the hobbyists give up because it is just more work. It's not so recreational anymore when you actually have diseases in your livestock and you really need to treat them. So that there is a bit of a fear that we could actually lose some of those beekeepers, but hopefully we're going to have plenty of them. I just thought yesterday to somebody who said, I'm a hobbyist, I love my bees, and am I doing the wrong thing by doing it? Do I risk to increase the spread of the disease? And no, The answer is no, it's a good thing if hobbyists will still want to do beekeeping. We need those insects, but all of us can do our job even with our backyards. There are some easy strategies to help the bees and the insects to survive. So read up on the web. There's lots of good info and it's usually very easy and most of the time with your backyard just looks a little nicer when you do that for them. 01:30:31 Speaker 1: Certainly, Stephan, thanks for Times today. It's Stephan Virgel report, author from Rabbi research about the vario might impacting on bees European bees. They love bees. I must have been and there are many, many varieties. I'm fascinated by the story about the bees on Kangaro Island. The Ligurian bees originally from Italy and it's the purest breed of Ligurian bees in the world because of course Kangaro Island being Ireland. That once the bees were there, and they were brought there one hundred and fifty years ago or whatever, it was absolutely pure strain. The European versions of Ligurian bees have crossbred and that there's not pure anymore. But on Kangaro Island Ligurian bees pure. Just another thing that Ki is famous for. Back shortly five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings twenty past eleven on this Tuesday, May the sixth, Hope we find you well, no rain so far. Just looking outside cloud and the sky has parted. There's still a bit of cloud about, but pretty sunny. Has it been raining anywhere? Has been raining in your part of the world? Let's know if it has eight double two to three double double? 01:31:42 Speaker 3: Oh? 01:31:43 Speaker 1: Bill says, what will happen to electricity prices when Torren's Island Pass station closes in twenty twenty six? Good question, Bill, I mean, once upon a time it provided about twenty percent or so of our power. No any of that now, I would suggest, but it would be good. Back up, what will happen to electricity prices? Well, what's happened to alec Jsney prices up till now? They head north? Christine, Good morning. 01:32:05 Speaker 20: Good morning Christine. William Breck from. 01:32:08 Speaker 1: Devn Park lovely to speak with you, Thank you. 01:32:12 Speaker 20: I'll start off with mister Leon Weiner. One day Tabby told him to turn off the phone and he said it is turned off and Siri for being a sticky beat nosey Parker got a fifty three million dollar fine. So I don't know who owned Siri, but they were charged for fifty three minion okay, or spying apparently, but I call it sticky beat Nosey Parker and that's my nickname. 01:32:40 Speaker 17: Hailey. 01:32:41 Speaker 20: Hailey comment has just gone through. So it took about twelve weeks for the cycle, about twelve weeks before it got here, and then last night it was actually Thursday that it was actually here, and that'll be another twelve weeks before it comes down again. 01:32:57 Speaker 1: With the universe Hailey's comment, it's just Thursday. 01:33:02 Speaker 20: Friday, Saturday. Everyone's

been talking about it. But this year the election was on and everybody was stood still for forty eight hours and just one of the elections. 01:33:16 Speaker 9: There's a huge ship. 01:33:18 Speaker 20: That parently can pick up a year's full of fish on one cycle around the world. And I don't know where that ship is or what happened to it. Jake with a big quip, a big line that just took in everything from fish to sharks. 01:33:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the Chinese fishing boats are huge and they do scour the seas. Phil, good morning. 01:33:40 Speaker 13: Oh you just wanted to talk a little bit about that election fall out. He had a chap yesterday morning Ray Up and he was saying about how people generally, or if not the majority of people, will vote for whoever offers the most freebies or dis counts ate his d But whichever party will offer you the most freebies or discountered like discounted energy rebates or cheaper school, cheaper childcare, that's how it always rolls. I mean, I don't follow politics because I think politics is about as unicating all the time, whether people are have the right political think or not. Who's in your inner circle, who's on your out of circle. You know, I think it's all it's quite the visive and destructive for society. But yeah, that's that's why he said this Blake yesterday. I think it was he was quoting from someone from who said this centuries ago. The people will always vote to whoever offers the most freebies or discounts. And I mean, I'm not liberal or labor, I don't particularly either, but I noticed that liberal weren't saying we'll give you three hundred off your pair. We want to know, we're not going to give you a free child. We're not going to you know what I mean. 01:35:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I take on, Bob, what you're saying. But the liberals also, did you know whether it was twenty five percent off your fuel or twenty five cents off your fuel so it was. It was a real giveaway, you know, a sugar hit election on both sides. Really, I think it doesn't bode well for the future when people are voting for a party because you know what's in it for me. You know, we all want a better deal. But if the whole future of the country is based on what's in it for me, you know where we're not going to get anywhere, are we. Graham, If you really want to ban the export of relatively clean coal from Australia, go ahead, and what will happen. Countries will go ahead and source more of the dirty brown coal from countries that are happy to have it dug out for a price. The only solution for long term, reliable, emissions free based load power is go nuclear. 01:35:49 Speaker 7: Greg. 01:35:49 Speaker 1: I agree with you on the respect or aspect of nuclear. I think it would be a long term solution and emissions free and safe. Regarding the coal, I still think we're being hypocritical because if you really are deadly serious, you don't export the coal. I'm not saying to do that. I think, you know, I think we should still be using coal until we can transition very carefully and safely and cheaply that's a long time coming and isn't going to happen. Tom Good morning, Good morning, Graham. 01:36:21 Speaker 12: Over a book at home here. It must be twenty years old. Now I'm not at home at the moment. But it's called Fruitless four and it's all about the decline in the European honeybee, which we rely on so much in the modern civilization. But they didn't experiment when some of the hives that were dying out around some of the areas I think it's California, any of the big almond grows right with the hundreds of thousands of trees, but nothing else. And they put mobile phones vary in distances from the hives, and do you know what within fifty or so meters from memory lock. I'm not home to double check the details in the book, the height they just fake. The bees vacated the highs mobile phones. Wow, they're very, very sensitive critic. 01:37:07 Speaker 1: They certainly are. Yeah, I'm aware of that. But so you're suggesting, or the book is suggesting that whatever vibrations or whatever waves that the phone puts out is distressing to the bees and they just clear out. 01:37:20 Speaker 12: Well, well, I think there's a lot of animals that we don't realize we obviously they do a lot of researchers that I mean, they've insinuated some of the things with the radar does things with the whales and that knocks them out of whack. But I mean a lot of credits rely on so much of the stuff that we we just take for granted and we just don't realize what we're doing. But last thing, I was just going to say, you mentioned about that a particular breed of bees on king of Islands being. 01:37:45 Speaker 1: Pure like Urian bees. 01:37:46 Speaker 18: Yep, yeah, yeah. 01:37:49 Speaker 12: One hundred years ago, I was in Tasmania. I was living at Chefield of any House at Sheffield, which is just south of Devenport there. That's within a week, make up one more in my car was covered in dust. I mean, this is Tasmania. You don't get my bloody body dust in Tasmania and fort and on the radio about the next day or so that they mentioned about where the dust come from and where do you think it come from? 01:38:17 Speaker 1: No idea river. 01:38:19 Speaker 12: Lands, South Australia. 01:38:20 Speaker 1: Is that right? 01:38:23 Speaker 12: When you mentioned about the pure bread of the bees, I'm thinking I don't know the distance of bass, right, you know, I didn't measure it when we're traveling over there with the tape measure. But at the end of the day, I'm assuming King Ryan's a lot closer to the mainland than Tazy is to the main land of Australia. 01:38:39 Speaker 1: No, certainly it is. 01:38:39 Speaker 12: Yeah, if dust can get their bloody bees can get there, and probably vice a version for that matter. 01:38:46 Speaker 1: Well, it hasn't happened, it would suggest Tom, because in recent memory I know that they are famous for their pure bread like Urian bees. Maybe bees don't fly any great

distances unless they were blown off course. 01:39:00 Speaker 12: That's what I'm saying. It does can get picked up and carried out away. You think bees are pretty I mean, it's not much way to the little buggers. 01:39:06 Speaker 17: You know. 01:39:07 Speaker 1: But you you'd need the whole high wouldn't you need a queen bee or lots of queen bees, and and the drone bees and the whole lot, the whole family to be blund over the strait. So thankfully that hasn't happened, isn't likely to happen. Good on you, Tom, thanks for your call. One more quick call before headlines. George, good morning. 01:39:27 Speaker 10: Thank you, good morning. 01:39:30 Speaker 1: Yes, George, go ahead, well yeah, it's. 01:39:32 Speaker 10: Regarding the call before I was out of pockets about ten thousand dollars, three different replacement seven. I had a hip replacement four years ago. 01:39:42 Speaker 9: Yeah, and I've got. 01:39:44 Speaker 10: Top gill cover because the five hundred to the search in there. 01:39:51 Speaker 13: Now. 01:39:51 Speaker 10: After after that I had surgery as well on my back. It's severe exprest scorn Cole the first search I was researching except dollars. 01:40:05 Speaker 11: One that. 01:40:15 Speaker 1: George, We'll leave you there. You've made your point. Unfortunate. Your line is really bad, but shopping around, certainly that is the answer. We're going to take a break the news headlines. Then Pepper Pig. Are you a fan of pepper Pig? The grandkids? Your kids are fans of pepper Pig. Well, Pepper Pig is coming to town. 01:40:31 Speaker 3: Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 01:40:35 Speaker 1: And in this half hour we're giving away our two tickets to Blown in the Wind Concerts celebrating Dylan cash Byers and the Traveling Woolbrey's the best call of the morning. It could be you a double two three, double O double oh. From the text line, did mister Trump announce the one hundred percent movie tax before or after Albow's phone call yesterday. Can't be sure, but I think it was after I don't know why you're asking, but I think it after hi Gg. I know someone who could have had their hip replacement done with no gaps, but decided to choose another surgeon who charged a six thousand dollar gap. When asked why, they said this surgeon does things differently with a faster recovery. Maybe the caller went in that direction, but hasn't told the listeners. So it says Bernard from Adelaide eight double two three double is the number the ring DEAs. 01:41:22 Speaker 17: Good morning, Good morning Graham. I think all these climate people should look at the Sun rather than look at the Earth, because the Sun's orbit is entirely different to the Earth's. Yeah, their orbit orbit, we consider it twenty four hours. The Sun's orbit is ninety thousand I notice that on Google this morning. 01:41:52 Speaker 1: How do you mean ninety ninety thousand hours, ninety thousand days, ninety thousand years? 01:41:56 Speaker 17: What ninety thousand years? That's the we don't know what climate is. Yeah, that's a simple fact. So and if they think they're going to stop, but they've got another thing coming. 01:42:11 Speaker 1: So you're saying that climate change, we're not having an impact on Is that where you're we can conclude from. 01:42:18 Speaker 17: Climate change is from day to day. Yeah, that's called weather, isn't it really? 01:42:26 Speaker 1: Yes, Look, I am. My feeling about climate change is climate is changing, but the impact of Man, I'm yet to be convinced that we have made a dramatic change because you know, just to. 01:42:38 Speaker 17: Say that, I understand where you're coming from for sure, because it's just. 01:42:43 Speaker 1: Well they're saying it's you know, the hottest, the driest that we've had on record. Will records only go back one hundred and fifty. 01:42:50 Speaker 17: Years, right, and when you're talking about a sun orbit of around ninety thousand, we haven't been here that long. 01:42:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I'm yet to be convinced our impact. And I know there's plenty of scientists would say that, you know, we have made a difference. But there were hotter times, there were higher CEO two levels and thousands of years ago than there are now. 01:43:09 Speaker 17: Oh very much. 01:43:11 Speaker 1: Yes, So you know, I can be convinced by a good argument, but I haven't had that good argument as yet. Good on. Yes, thanks for call Laura at Kursbrook. 01:43:20 Speaker 21: Good day, Laura, Hello, I am can hear my voice back? 01:43:26 Speaker 1: Can you. 01:43:27 Speaker 21: Yes, Now we're going to say yes, I was. I've been very lucky my whole life. I haven't had any health problem. 01:43:38 Speaker 1: Well done. 01:43:38 Speaker 21: When I was about seventy, I thought I'd better get help cover. I thanks for the. 01:43:47 Speaker 19: Government in two. 01:43:49 Speaker 21: Thousands they made put a loading on if we've joined up late. Yeah, I've been and that's for ten years. I've been paying seven percent loading for ten years. That finishes this year, and that's about seventy five seventy six dollars per fortnite extra of my self cover. 01:44:14 Speaker 8: But also. 01:44:17 Speaker 21: I can't say howard government bought it in in two thousand, right, and now I've had back operations and hit replacements and I haven't paid a cent with my health cover. So the the main quest they state how much they it'll cost you. The specialists or the anstis giving their neesthodus and they tell you how much it is. And if you can't do that, then you go to somebody else that do sort of cover. 01:44:51 Speaker 1: That get amounts so opposed to shop around. Good on you, Laura, thanks for telling us your story. It's twenty seven to twelve on five double A. Did you get impacted by the earthquake? This morning. I haven't heard any one say yes it was me. I felt it. Adelaide Hills residence around Mount Bark in fact, near Nean Geoscience Australia said they recorded a two point seven tremor.

It's not really an earthquake, is it the tremor. Let's call it a tremor. Adam Pascal spoke to the Boys on Brecky this morning said the small quakes are common over the past couple of years in Adelaide Hills region, and this is what Adam had to say to the boys this morning. 01:45:30 Speaker 8: Yes, it was a very small event. It's sort of in the low magnitude two range, so we've been having those over the last couple of years in that region, so it's I'm surprised it's been felt. It is pretty small, but it's something that's seemingly occurring almost every year around this time of year. Then, I mean there's there's been in Mage Tube sixth in South Australia in recent history, so I mean it's quite likely that there will be another large event sometime. But unfortunately we just can't predict when these things will occur, but we know that we will see an event of magnitude five or six, probably in the next fifty one hundred years. 01:46:12 Speaker 1: Who was around for the last one, the last big one in Adelaide? Was it nineteen fifty four? I wasn't here, I must say, but I had relatives who were. I remember my cousin telling me he sat it was. He said it felt like a box of fireworks going off under the bed, which is a pretty scary thought when you think of it. But yeah, nineteen fifty four is a long way back. It was a big quake. I can't remember what it registered here in Adelaide, but there's a fault line, I believe, pretty much going along the Torrens, and yeah, it caused a lot of damage, no real injuries or death, thankfully, but it was certainly a big one. And as we heard there from Adam that we can expect another one, but it could be in the next fifty to or one hundred years of magnitude five or six. So there are lots of little earthquakes and little things happening. I think there was one near Melbourne overnight as well. So maybe this is the portent of things to come. Let's hope not. But as long as we live here, it could be possibly be, Darren says gg Allan, are we talking about Alan with his hip replacement. Alan clearly didn't wave his Medicare card properly. Albo waves his card and everything is free of charge. Good onion, Darren Evelyn, Good morning. 01:47:31 Speaker 22: Good morning. I was just listening to you and talking about the guy that had hip surgery and it's supposed to cost thirty five thousand dollars or whatever. 01:47:44 Speaker 1: He ended up paying it was I think it was twenty eight thousand or something and he had to pay a ten thousand dollars gap. 01:47:51 Speaker 22: That sounds very familiar because my husband had to was supposed to have knee surgery and twenty six had it all scheduled and the hospital called and said it would cost ten thousand dollars. But the reason it would cost that much is because he had the lowest insurance policy that carrier had, so it didn't cover the hips knee surgery, right, And I bet that would happen to the guy that was supposed to have his hip surgery, because we had several hospital patient surgeries and the most we had to pay was two hundred and fifty for our gap and whatever. Then anistophis didn't get paid by Medicare. We had to pay that and that's it. 01:48:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, all that's good well, Evelyn, thank you for sharing your story. It pays to shop around, and I think if you're taking out health cover, find out what you're exactly covered for, because it's a little bit late in the night when you find out that your medical benefits hospital benefits aren't covering what you need. Eight double two three double o double the number to ring. 01:49:07 Speaker 22: Well. 01:49:08 Speaker 1: If you're a grandparent or a parent, you're probably familiar with Pepper Pig, popular British animated television series. It's for preschool kids follows the adventures of Pepper and her family, Mummy Pig, Daddy Pig, and her little brother George. I've seen it from afar. One of my granddaughters loves it. Deely Luke Gallagher is the producer of a show that is coming to town. It's all about Pepper Pig. Look, good morning to you. 01:49:33 Speaker 19: Good morning, so great to be here. 01:49:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, what do you see. What's the appeal of Pepper Pig. 01:49:40 Speaker 2: Well, look, she's a bit of an ark one and that she's a classic. She's always fresh. 01:49:46 Speaker 19: I mean, Pepper has just celebrated twenty one years on our screens, and of course since she's first launched on TV screens, she's gone to be koundary alone with the younger audience and families, and then and of course in book form and games and not only on TV and on streaming services, but all over the place. So Pepper Now of course has made her way onto the stage a number of years ago, and we're thrilled to be bringing her back to stages around us earlier this year. 01:50:17 Speaker 1: It's called Pepper Pig's Fun Day Out Live. Now, I'm always wary that some things don't translate. I mean, we're talking about cartoon character, cartoon series, and how does it translate to the live stage. 01:50:32 Speaker 19: Well, it translates well on this occasion because my very fortunate departner was an incredible company from the UK called Fiery Lights and fire Light and making Pepper Pig live shows for over fifteen years. And the way the Fiery Light have done it is they bring Pepper and her family, her little brother George, and Mommy and Daddy Pig and various friends to life as puppets. And so when we first took a Pepperpig life here in Australia. I'll shut ten fifteen years ago ourselves, or probably twelve years ago. Now the puppets were rather bite size, they're. 01:51:06 Speaker 13: On the smaller side. 01:51:07 Speaker 2: But now the beautiful Pepper puppets and the little brother George and various other friends are one of the puppets that sits at a hype that kids can see them and they can see their mouths burning, and they're beautiful animated at arms. And then they really bring that joy and the energy of the TV series to live on stage. And then Mummy and

Randy Pig represented as big costume character mascot, so they still look the way they do on TV, sitting at a much taller hype than of course Pepper and George. 01:51:39 Speaker 14: So the kids really feeling this in the world. 01:51:42 Speaker 2: They watched this come to life on stage and everything looks right, you know, the designs beautiful, the set design, the lighting that really looks the way you'd expected to look having watched the TV series. 01:51:53 Speaker 1: Well, I believe this is an all cast. 01:51:56 Speaker 16: It is. 01:51:57 Speaker 19: Well, they're very proud we've cast a locally. 01:51:59 Speaker 2: Our and crew are all. 01:52:01 Speaker 19: Australian team members and who are fortunate to have the UK team here to direct them and to get it all up on stage for the first time, which you know, we are a debt a gratitude to that team from Firelight. They're amazing, of course they know what they're. 01:52:15 Speaker 2: Doing, but this cast has just righted in. They've done such an amazing job and audiences around the country are loving it. 01:52:22 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to say that with the cast, they would have to be able to really identify with the characters and bring to life what because I've always found that young kids are very critical. They can you know, they're not going to stand for any rubbish. If you know, they say, no, this isn't the real thing, I'm not happy with that, So they can be the toughest of all critics that look, they. 01:52:44 Speaker 2: Really are, which is fantastic and terrifying all of us. 01:52:48 Speaker 13: But they really are brutally. 01:52:49 Speaker 2: Honest, and you'll know when they're not not into it, when they're not enjoying it. Often it can be either beasts. Of course, it's not silence, it's it's restlessness. You'll suddenly hear all matter of things go. But what I love about watching Pepsy Lives is that you see the kids. Sometimes you can hear a pin drop. It's amazing. They just get so involved, get listening, they're interacting, they're following the invitation to call out and get involved in the show, which is just a toy to watch. 01:53:16 Speaker 1: It's exciting stuff and a series of concerts this Saturday and Sunday. At the Entertainment said, how booking's go. 01:53:23 Speaker 13: Look, they're on extremely well. 01:53:24 Speaker 2: Saturday is all I sold out and we've opened up a second sea on Sunday. We've got one in the morning at ten am and in one at one pm. 01:53:31 Speaker 19: Open due to demand. So your best available seas now is at that Sunday at one pm. 01:53:36 Speaker 1: Get in quick, well, Luke, great to chat with you and all the best. I don't think we need to wish you that because it's going to be a huge success. 01:53:42 Speaker 9: Great to chat it's a bit of a pleasure. 01:53:44 Speaker 1: That's Pepper Pig's Fun Day out Live. We've been talking with Luke Gallagher, who's the producer of the show. Sounds like a lot of fun. So if you're a grandparent and babysitting over the weekend, looking for something to do and want to score a few brownie points, how am I going along to her? Pig? Sounds like a. 01:54:01 Speaker 3: Great day out five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings ten. 01:54:07 Speaker 1: To twelve five double A. We have a winner. We have a winner. Congratulations to Georgia Paradise who spoke about hip replacement. You've won two tickets to Blow It in the Wind celebrating Dylan Cash Buyers and the Traveling Wilberries May twenty third at Her Majesty Theater. You can book at tickertech. Steve says re energy, I tend to lean towards nuclear energy is a good option. However, I'm concerned with the time frame. It's possible that with new battery technology they may develop longer battery running times in the next ten years, which may make them viable. Technically advanced battery costs may still be an issue. Yeah, that is an issue, Steve. For a start, batteries just don't back up for all that long. You need massive battery farms. They can only provide power to the grid for minutes, maybe a couple of hours at best, and then there's the thermal fire risk. They can overheat. Lithium batteries of where you get the lithium from, and they only last ten to fifteen years, So you know you can build these massive battery farms that fill in the grid, and then you've got to replace them. So it sort of gets back to you can sort of say that our nuclear is going to take forever, but you know, how long are we here for? Even if it took twenty years, which it won't. You can build small nuclear reactors in far less time than that, But you know, we're here for the long haul. You and me might be here for the long haul, but our grandkids will be. So you know, I think nuclear still should be considered considered because batteries are nowhere near there yet, and when it comes to renewables wind farms, they don't last forever, and batteries, solar panels don't last forever. All of them needs to be replaced. The life and longevity of nuclear is way longer, and so many countries considered what is a nineteen out of the twenty g Twenty countries are either using nuclear power or considering nuclear power. Germany got rid of their nuclear power and yet rely on France for a huge amount of nuclear power and considering getting back into nuclear generation. So you know, while you can be critical of it, the fact that we just can't even consider it really really scares me. I think, you know, we really need to be considering it. Going back to the text line, good morning, Graham, thank you for your common sense regarding climate change. CO two is plant food. The sheep are finally waking up. This is reflected in the removal of Adam Band and three other greens. Thank you for that, Marty. Yeah, that is something that has sort of overlooked a bit that people says, Oh, we've got to get rid of CO two out of the atmosphere, get rid of CO two and all plant life is dead. CO two is wonderful for the atmosphere. If we didn't have CO

two, this planet would freeze because it's CO two that's keeping the heat in. Now, if it's too much heat, then it has gone up zero point five of age or something like that. And we're starting to get anxious and cold feet about it. But don't think for a second that CO two is not our friend. CO two is our friend, and we do need it, and what impact we have on it is questionable. Let them hold their climate conference in Adelaide when we have the blackout because there's no wind or sun. Good on your Gary Graham, Can you please get someone from sa water to explain the detail plants process and find out what chemicals are used and flash back out to see apparently copper sulfate is commonly used as a pre treatment and is highly toxic to sea life. Thank you for that, Gavin. Yeah, look, we will do that. We will pursue that. And we've had an explanation sometime in the past that what they're pumping back out is safe, but we know it is highly saline. They extract all the salt out of the water, so we have pure, good drinking water, but that salt water has to go somewhere and they pump it back out, so all of a sudden, salty water becomes magnified so many times, So what is the down side of the de cil plant. I think we need to have a good look at that GG you have been drinking. I think what you want us to make us a third world country? Get real, Caesar, Caesar, Caesar. We've had this discussion before. No, I am not so I my way you're getting at. I'm saying, stop selling coal and stop selling gas overseas, and to make us a third world country, I'm saying that we are being hypocritical in our insane push towards one hundred percent renewables, And I'm not against renewables. Let's get there gradually and a controlled method where we can which we can afford. At the moment, we're going helter skelter and we're trying to shut off coal. The labor of arty is grudgingly admitted they're going to need to use gas for a while. But while we're doing that and patting ourselves on the back for trying to get to a net zero, we are exporting coal in huge quantities. The second because coal exporter to the world, where the second because gas exporter to the world. And yet we try and pat ourselves on the back saying that we're doing well with renewables. Well, what's happening to the gas that we're getting rid of. What's happening to the coal exporting It's being pumped in the atmosphere by other countries. So that's the hypocrisy of it all. I'm all for continuing to use coal and gas here at reduced levels, admittedly, but let's keep them in the system until we get to a point that renewables can sustain or we are smart enough to think, well, maybe we should reconsider nuclear. This absolute fear of nuclear is crazy. You know why are we one of the few countries in the world, the developed world that sees nuclear as absolute poison. I don't quite get it. At least discuss it. I mean nuclear is banned in this country. It would take an active parliament. Even if Peter Dutton had won the election and wanted to go nuclear, he would have to get it changed in parliament and legalize because at the moment, and it was a Howard government that did it, a liberal government that made nuclear poison. Can't even talk about it. And in this state, you know we have uranium to burn. I will give the Premiere some credit. He has often said that he is happy to have the nuclear discussion, although he was shut down very quickly by the Prime Minister during this first term of office. But we know the Premiere is open to discussion about nuclear. He is yet to be convinced that it is viable and a cost worthy, but he is prepared to have that discussion. So until that happens, we will go along, bumbling along in the way. We are in this state having the highest energy prices in Australia, some of the highest prices in the world, and we pat ourselves on the back, saying, you know, isn't it wonderful what we're doing? 02:00:50 Speaker 3: Well? 02:00:51 Speaker 1: It may well be, but people can't afford it. Businesses are struggling to keep operating with power bills. You know, some of their bills have doubled the past couple of years. What business can afford to exist in that regime? I know it's an issue that we all would like to live in an ideal world, but it isn't ideal at this stage? 02:01:12 Speaker 10: Is it? 02:01:12 Speaker 1: Eight? Double two three double O double? Oh no, it's a little bit too late to ring. Thank you so much for your company today. I haven't seen Stacy, so she's obviously got something pretty big happening this afternoon. She will be along shortly after one o'clock. Coming up after midday we have Carnsey and conversations, and then we have Stacey Lee after the one o'clock news, just before we go. Oh, I will tell you is that Charlie says same subject every day, Greg is where's Leon? Well, Charlie, Look, I'm terribly sorry that it doesn't suit your needs, but there are other stations on the dial. We'd love to have you with us. But if you want to move on, that is absolutely your choice. And thank you very much. Someone says sons orbit. Yeah, the caller that suggested the Sun is orbit. The Sun is moving. There's no question about that. I don't know what it is orbiting. That would be a question for an astronomer, wouldn't it. What does the Sun orbit? Some other galaxy may be. We are not alone. Remember that. That's all for today. Thank you so much for your company coming up after the news. As I said to Qurnsey with conversations, so you have a great day. I hope there's rain coming in your way. I just see the sun shining brighter than ever. We could do with some rain. We certainly could after having the the driest period leading up to spring autumn that we've had on record. You have a great day. We'll be back tomorrow to do it again. 02:02:41 Speaker 3: Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings