บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Episode 18: A Substantial Amount of Remorse

hopefully the will be too disrupted by that. But 60 00:04:08.870 --> 00:04:13.180 but I believe one of our fair number has actually managed to get back to 61 00:04:13.219 --> 00:04:15.939 see a film at the cinema today. I did. It was me, 62 00:04:15.100 --> 00:04:17.699 Kevin. Yes, I went back to the cinema to day to see the 63 00:04:17.779 --> 00:04:21.379 first showing in this particular cinema. So some of the cinema chains, the 64 00:04:21.459 --> 00:04:26.329 major chains, Odion view, they've opened already. Cindy world slightly behind. 65 00:04:26.370 --> 00:04:28.449 They're going to be opening a little bit late, are in the week. 66 00:04:28.850 --> 00:04:30.769 And then you got some independent cinemas like the Prince Charles in London as well, 67 00:04:30.810 --> 00:04:33.209 but obviously I'm London based. They're all opening. So I went in 68 00:04:33.290 --> 00:04:36.449 court a film of view, which was good, and it was good to 69 00:04:36.490 --> 00:04:39.920 be back to the cinema. I booked an advance. They're still doing the 70 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:43.360 space in thing, as I so when you book your seat, the two 71 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.720 seats either side of you kind of like space out and then when you go 72 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:49.680 in you got to dicult the hand sanitize, you got scan the trace and 73 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.670 track APP and all of that kind of stuff. So I would say that 74 00:04:53.750 --> 00:04:59.029 the cinema kind of like hygiene and and kind of like covid secure elements of 75 00:04:59.110 --> 00:05:00.910 it are as good as they were when we came out of the lockdown for 76 00:05:00.949 --> 00:05:04.910 a brief period last summer. This is actually the longest time I've ever been 77 00:05:04.910 --> 00:05:08.620 in my entire life where I haven't actually been back to the cinema, so 78 00:05:08.899 --> 00:05:11.620 this was really good. The last film I think I saw, also of 79 00:05:11.660 --> 00:05:15.860 you, was the the craft. The craft legacy. Is that was is 80 00:05:15.860 --> 00:05:18.500 that what it was? Called yes row. Yeah, so I saw lad 81 00:05:18.579 --> 00:05:23.569 sequel and then return to the the same screen to watch spiral from the book 82 00:05:23.569 --> 00:05:26.250 of saw today, which was good. So it's it was. Yeah, 83 00:05:26.250 --> 00:05:28.290 it was. It was good to be back in the cinema. It was 84 00:05:28.329 --> 00:05:30.370 busier than I thought it would be, but just yet did literally kind of 85 00:05:30.410 --> 00:05:34.050 being in the room that was kind of, you know, big, dark, 86 00:05:34.089 --> 00:05:38.639 nice sound system, watching a big screen. It was good, though 87 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.360 it was a it was a bit kind of like it felt like gone back 88 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.360 in time a little bit because the trailers I was still seeing were quite placed 89 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:47.519 part two and all of that kind of Ja.

They're thinking, this is 90 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:51.790 really weird. It feels like a kind of it's a bit of an odd 91 00:05:51.790 --> 00:05:55.230 experience when you go back and watch films in the cinema and you see in 92 00:05:55.269 --> 00:05:58.550 these kind of like adverts and trailers and things. Actually, as I walked 93 00:05:58.589 --> 00:06:01.949 in they had a big display for Emma and it said in cinemas this Valentine's 94 00:06:01.949 --> 00:06:05.899 Day and I was like my God. They say they've still got that on 95 00:06:06.019 --> 00:06:09.139 display and it's probably been up for over a year. In fact, when 96 00:06:09.139 --> 00:06:11.579 they probably take it out of the frame it will probably be kind of like 97 00:06:11.740 --> 00:06:15.379 burned in if yeah, see the image there, but yeah, it's weird. 98 00:06:15.420 --> 00:06:17.060 So cinemas at the moment, I've doing their best, I think, 99 00:06:17.459 --> 00:06:21.610 to try and reopen, but also as well, they're still stuck in a 100 00:06:21.689 --> 00:06:25.810 year ago. It still feels very much like it did a year ago if 101 00:06:25.810 --> 00:06:30.410 you're actually in the cinemas and the films that they're showing. Obviously spiral from 102 00:06:30.410 --> 00:06:32.360 the book of Saul was is a new release. They've got a couple of 103 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:36.439 other new releases as well, but then there are things King Kong or colon 104 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:40.680 and Godzilla and all that are kind of like that. They're showing some stuff 105 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.680 that you may have seen at the moment as well as rereleases of total recall. 106 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.709 Gladiator will showing there and it just like lots of kind of like the 107 00:06:48.750 --> 00:06:53.790 older films as well. So hats off to anyone that's actually released new releases, 108 00:06:53.829 --> 00:06:56.430 but I think they'll probably be what we have for the time being. 109 00:06:57.310 --> 00:07:00.470 So don't be in any kind of rush to get back because it's not like 110 00:07:00.589 --> 00:07:02.180 the films are going to be released at a rate. I've got a feeling 111 00:07:02.259 --> 00:07:05.259 that the films that are basically playing in the cinemas for the next couple of 112 00:07:05.339 --> 00:07:08.259 weeks. are going to be there for the next couple of weeks, so 113 00:07:08.620 --> 00:07:12.779 there's no rush to take our time. Yeah, that's it. I there's 114 00:07:12.819 --> 00:07:15.569 a bit of a splurge with new releases coming up because, as you say, 115 00:07:15.689 --> 00:07:21.009 Godzilla versus Kong, they will be releasing the new conjuring film in a 116 00:07:21.129 --> 00:07:26.689 week or so. Those that wish me dad the engineers Jolie action through rather. 117 00:07:26.769 --> 00:07:30.319 That's that's now out, although it's been on premium rental as well. 118 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:35.199 As got Godzilla and versus Kong. There are some cinemas that are also showing 119 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:39.199 what will combat as well. Yeah, Judas and land the sire. That's 120 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:42.480 that's juice in the black messigs also getting screened, as is in some of 121 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:46.829 the smaller cinemas. They're also shown Manari and sound of metal and no madland 122 00:07:47.470 --> 00:07:51.029 and no madland. So I mean there's there is plenty of choice out there. 123 00:07:51.029 --> 00:07:56.589 And Peter Rabbit to yes, if you have foot if you have younglings 124 00:07:57.110 --> 00:08:01.500 and are reform mind to go and watch that. So there's there's plenty out 125 00:08:01.540 --> 00:08:05.459 there. I certainly. I mean there's none of the kind of the real 126 00:08:05.579 --> 00:08:09.579 ta releases just yet. I think that's going to be the beginning of June 127 00:08:09.620 --> 00:08:13.410 with quite a place part. So I think I was going to be the 128 00:08:13.490 --> 00:08:16.089 first city, a pinch one. I've been looking forward to spiral for a 129 00:08:16.170 --> 00:08:18.850 while and it was one of those films I was actually looking forward to going 130 00:08:18.889 --> 00:08:20.410 to see at the time, and it's very weird when I was watching it 131 00:08:20.449 --> 00:08:22.129 and I was going, Oh my God, yeah, I remember that from 132 00:08:22.129 --> 00:08:26.490 the trailer that I saw nearly two years ago now, and it's it's kind 133 00:08:26.529 --> 00:08:28.759 of really weird. At the end you kind of like see the things come 134 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:30.959 up and it's like two thousand and twenty in you're like, Oh wow, 135 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:33.240 you know, this should have been and gone ages ago. Now would be 136 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:35.320 a distant memory. Yeah, but it's there now and it's kind of it. 137 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.120 It's very weird because I was very aware of this when I came back 138 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.389 from cinema last time I watched unhinged. That was my first film back after 139 00:08:41.509 --> 00:08:45.029 first lockdown, and I remember thinking, Wow, look at this, this 140 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:48.149 is a film that was made before the world was turned upside down, and 141 00:08:48.230 --> 00:08:50.789 it's kind any very much the case with this as well. It's very odd 142 00:08:50.830 --> 00:08:52.429 to sort of look at these going, I wonder what they were thinking at 143 00:08:52.470 --> 00:08:54.899 the time when this was going on. Obviously that may be shows that I 144 00:08:54.940 --> 00:08:58.259 wasn't paying too much attention to what's going on in the film. Or will 145 00:08:58.299 --> 00:09:01.740 review spiral in just a moment. But yeah, you're looking at any thinking 146 00:09:01.899 --> 00:09:03.419 wow, man, it's like you know, you you doing your acting, 147 00:09:03.539 --> 00:09:07.259 doing you thing. Got No idea that you know

this film won't see the 148 00:09:07.299 --> 00:09:11.850 light of day until post that. You know one of the you know pandemic, 149 00:09:11.929 --> 00:09:15.049 you know absolutely. I mean just think of that, the films that 150 00:09:15.129 --> 00:09:18.929 actually kind of exist in a complete form that we've we've yet to see. 151 00:09:20.049 --> 00:09:24.919 That should have been released last year. So there is a full completed cup 152 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:30.039 of ghostbusters afterlife somewhere, because I remember sit were a bit reading something that 153 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:35.080 Ivan Ryman's seen it, watch it with his son Jason, who wrote and 154 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:41.470 directed it, and Ivan was suitably emotionally impressed with it. So the fact 155 00:09:41.470 --> 00:09:46.830 that exists top of maverick should have been with us by now and that you 156 00:09:46.909 --> 00:09:52.149 know these films are in a vault somewhere or on a hard drive somewhere in 157 00:09:52.269 --> 00:09:56.700 a completed form and they're just waiting to be to be released into the world, 158 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:00.580 even because I think, I think some like June yeah, I think 159 00:10:00.580 --> 00:10:03.980 we're going to get this weird thing because it's something like like with like sort 160 00:10:03.019 --> 00:10:07.129 of experienced in a sort of a quite a diluted way with spiral is we're 161 00:10:07.610 --> 00:10:11.009 this these types of films, the films we've been waiting for everything they come 162 00:10:11.090 --> 00:10:15.649 with such a weight of expectation to it's a little bit like we got a 163 00:10:15.690 --> 00:10:18.809 teacher that with ten at last year, some of the negative reviews towards ten 164 00:10:18.889 --> 00:10:20.840 at last year, we're very much like, was this what we were waiting 165 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:24.840 for? Was this supposed to be the big film that everyone's excited about? 166 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:26.399 And was obviously a bit a bit unfair at the time. The films like 167 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.600 going uses and everything, the way they're going to be measured and reviewed will 168 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.360 be like no other films ever have, and there's going to be that kind 169 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:35.230 of especially with a quiet place part two, for example. I think they 170 00:10:35.269 --> 00:10:39.789 can be that lot of people are going to be going along with this expectation 171 00:10:39.029 --> 00:10:43.309 of familiarity with clips and images and the subject matter and all that they wouldn't 172 00:10:43.309 --> 00:10:46.710 ordinarily have with normal preparation leading up to a film. So it's going to 173 00:10:46.710 --> 00:10:50.019 be a really weird time and I think we're gonna have to kind of like 174 00:10:50.139 --> 00:10:52.860 maybe recalibrate the way we review and and look at films for the time, 175 00:10:52.940 --> 00:10:56.299 for the foreseeable future, at least until we start getting post lockdown stuff, 176 00:10:56.539 --> 00:11:01.179 because that way of expectation can only harm a film. I think. Yeah, 177 00:11:01.179 --> 00:11:03.460 I think. I think there's a certain element of that. I mean 178 00:11:03.500 --> 00:11:07.370 not my expectations for quite place too probably should be moderated a bit, just 179 00:11:07.570 --> 00:11:11.929 because, I mean the first I absolutely love. I think it's such a 180 00:11:13.570 --> 00:11:18.360 such an effective horror thriller that I'm not sure how they can do enough new 181 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.480 stuff with the new one to really really bring it up to that level. 182 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.240 I really really hope they do. And films like I sort of touched on 183 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:31.840 June. That's you know, that that exists somewhere and that's been been waiting 184 00:11:31.909 --> 00:11:33.590 on that for a long, long time and I think it is. You 185 00:11:33.669 --> 00:11:39.350 know, what you said about tenants really really true. That actually, if 186 00:11:39.429 --> 00:11:43.350 that had been released in normal times, that would have been one in a 187 00:11:43.509 --> 00:11:48.539 sea of choices at that time. And maybe that's scrutiny for it, because 188 00:11:48.539 --> 00:11:52.299 Nolan was very focused that this is going to be a cinema release and, 189 00:11:52.539 --> 00:11:56.340 you know, try to hold the line as long as possible and because, 190 00:11:56.620 --> 00:12:01.570 you know, it was a highly anticipated film, but one that maybe isn't 191 00:12:01.610 --> 00:12:05.809 as straightforward as some of the other summer blockbusters were. I think if that 192 00:12:05.889 --> 00:12:09.049 had been released a time with lots of other things going on, the scrutiny 193 00:12:09.129 --> 00:12:15.450 probably wouldn't have been there in quite the same sort of powerful way that it 194 00:12:15.570 --> 00:12:18.679 did. Really Zeroed in on it. But you know, I really enjoyed 195 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.240 tune so that not to not to kind of like undermine cinema and any way, 196 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.240 shape or form. Basic thing is he's like and the realization dawned on 197 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.279 me when I was watching Spirell this afternoon, when I was just literally watching 198 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.830 it and going, do you know what these are with this is this is 199 00:12:31.909 --> 00:12:35.309 just a film. It's like it's weird when you have to step back from 200 00:12:35.350 --> 00:12:37.629 that someone that loves cinema as much as I do, and it was great 201 00:12:37.629 --> 00:12:41.309 to be in the cinema again. I felt like the weight in Midd lifted 202 00:12:41.509 --> 00:12:43.149 and I kind of like felt like, you know, or some of anxieties 203 00:12:43.190 --> 00:12:46.539 and stuff that I just literally turning my phone off and being in the dark

204 00:12:46.580 --> 00:12:50.299 room for two hours with no interruptions, just immersed in a way that I 205 00:12:50.379 --> 00:12:54.460 haven't been in the last six months was terrific and I was there and I 206 00:12:54.539 --> 00:12:56.539 was thinking to myself, okay, yeah, this is just a film. 207 00:12:58.139 --> 00:13:01.169 Cinema is just films and it's wonderful and they can save the world and save 208 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:03.570 you, you know, you know, save your mind and your mental health 209 00:13:03.570 --> 00:13:07.450 and everything in many ways, but also as well, do remember these are 210 00:13:07.490 --> 00:13:09.450 just films. And Yeah, well, there was an odd way to me 211 00:13:09.529 --> 00:13:13.639 to think that. Yeah, I I did. I think for me, 212 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:22.399 and you're right, that idea of it having that positive impact on you soul 213 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.120 basically. But I think that's less going to be about the films but being 214 00:13:26.149 --> 00:13:31.830 more about the experience. One hundred that's yeah, and that's the thing that 215 00:13:31.909 --> 00:13:35.309 I'm going to take in the first time I go in. Is Not necessarily 216 00:13:35.389 --> 00:13:39.750 that I'm going to see something life changing, be nice for do, but 217 00:13:39.710 --> 00:13:43.980 the fact that I am going to be in a screen for the first time 218 00:13:45.179 --> 00:13:50.620 since March two thousand and twenty with, like you say, that the big 219 00:13:50.740 --> 00:13:56.929 screen and they sound system and just that disconnect from the world, because, 220 00:13:56.250 --> 00:14:01.049 God knows we need that disconnect from the world at the moment and that escapism. 221 00:14:01.090 --> 00:14:05.289 Yeah, I just yeah, that's that's the thing that I've been holding 222 00:14:05.330 --> 00:14:09.200 on to for a year and, you know, grabbing those little moments when 223 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:13.600 I can, when I've been going to the drive ins, because it's a 224 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:18.240 new experience. It's a different experience and it's it's similarly kind of all encompassing, 225 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.600 but there is nothing like that. I thought I've moment and the lights 226 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:24.110 go down. I found my side. Yeah, yeah, I wait, 227 00:14:24.269 --> 00:14:26.950 I found myself like that. I found when the lights went down, I 228 00:14:28.070 --> 00:14:30.629 found it was like someone to put an oxygen mask over the way and it 229 00:14:30.789 --> 00:14:33.909 was like I felt like I'd woken up and I was back in the room. 230 00:14:33.950 --> 00:14:35.870 You know I mean, it was like not, yeah, sort too 231 00:14:35.909 --> 00:14:39.139 dramatic about it, and there were points in the film where I was thinking 232 00:14:39.179 --> 00:14:41.820 to myself, any moment now someone's going to keep the door in the say 233 00:14:41.820 --> 00:14:43.740 everybody out, everybody else, you cut cinema, can't come back today. 234 00:14:43.940 --> 00:14:46.100 So if I can't come back today, get out, get out. But 235 00:14:46.139 --> 00:14:48.340 Luckily we went to get to the end of it. It's almost like like 236 00:14:48.740 --> 00:14:50.820 when I saw ten at last year, I was like, thank God, 237 00:14:50.860 --> 00:14:54.610 I've just watched something. So if we went into another lockdown now, then 238 00:14:54.610 --> 00:14:56.090 at least I've managed to come up for air for a bit. Yeah, 239 00:14:56.970 --> 00:15:01.769 absolutely, not to be romating about things. Goodness me, Kevin, wake 240 00:15:01.809 --> 00:15:05.809 up. So, Kev, come on that. Tell us a little bit 241 00:15:05.850 --> 00:15:09.720 about spoil, give us, give us a bit of a summary and tell 242 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:11.559 us what your thoughts about. Let's crack on with some reviews. Well, 243 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:15.840 spiral from the book of saw. It takes place in the saw universe. 244 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.879 A criminal master mind unleash. He's a twisted form of justice in spiral. 245 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.029 Yeah, so what is this criminal master mind? Where does it take place? 246 00:15:24.190 --> 00:15:26.789 Well, you know, the saw films have been popular for a long 247 00:15:26.830 --> 00:15:28.350 period of time. In my opinion, I love the first saw film. 248 00:15:28.509 --> 00:15:31.710 It's all the second saw film. Then it kind of like weaves off a 249 00:15:31.750 --> 00:15:35.149 little bit in quality and then you have kind of hits and misses. I've 250 00:15:35.230 --> 00:15:37.419 not seen all of the saw films and I thought, Oh no, well, 251 00:15:37.419 --> 00:15:39.220 I be a disadvantage going into spiral. No, you're not. As 252 00:15:39.220 --> 00:15:41.580 long as you seen the first saw film, and even that, to be 253 00:15:41.659 --> 00:15:45.620 honest, you could probably. You could probably start from scratch having not seen 254 00:15:45.659 --> 00:15:48.700 any of them. You'll probably be all right. This one puts Chris Rock 255 00:15:48.779 --> 00:15:52.409 as our kind of like main protagonist scowling his way through the film in a 256 00:15:52.450 --> 00:15:56.529 way that I've not seen Chris Rock before, and Chris Rock, who you 257 00:15:56.649 --> 00:15:58.490 know, you know usually wise cracked his way through lethal weapon for and can 258 00:15:58.570 --> 00:16:02.850 now actually be seen in Fargo on TV. I don't know if anyone's been 259 00:16:02.850 --> 00:16:04.519 watching the new series of yeah, but he seems to be having a little 260 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:08.039 bit of a renaissance, a rocket sons? I don't know, because those 261 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:11.240 of you that might have seen bad company that he did with Anthony Hopkins all 262 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:14.960 those years ago, I've noticed that he's become a bit more as as he 263 00:16:15.000 -->

00:16:17.279 has a standup comedian, a bit more of a kind of a mature, 264 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:21.309 kind of like comic and a bit more of a mature actor and performer now, 265 00:16:21.830 --> 00:16:23.870 and I think it was really interesting that he was involved in spiral and, 266 00:16:23.990 --> 00:16:26.909 to be fair, had it of just been a reboot of a cast 267 00:16:26.990 --> 00:16:30.590 of unknowns, or at least the level of little carryol ways and stuff like 268 00:16:30.669 --> 00:16:36.100 that that had been ever present right the way through the original saw films, 269 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:38.500 I might not have been that excited about seeing it, but was very interested 270 00:16:38.580 --> 00:16:42.460 to see where this was going to go. You've also got Samuel Jackson popping 271 00:16:42.539 --> 00:16:47.250 up in it as well. It's kind of it's generally it's like, okay, 272 00:16:47.289 --> 00:16:51.169 well, even though it's taking place in the saw universe, its own 273 00:16:51.289 --> 00:16:53.850 film. Yeah, have you got a copycat for the you know, of 274 00:16:55.009 --> 00:16:56.450 the Jigsaw killings of it? There's all of this stuff that kind of goes 275 00:16:56.529 --> 00:16:59.490 in it. And obviously I'm not going to go too much into the plock 276 00:16:59.490 --> 00:17:02.039 because I don't want to give anything away. But why do people go to 277 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.079 see saw films or films that take place in the saw universe? They go 278 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.559 for the deaths, don't they? The ingenious deaths and all of the kind 279 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:11.799 of a really clever ways of people having to make split second decisions to know 280 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:15.309 whether or not to lose their head, you know, it all their head 281 00:17:15.349 --> 00:17:18.190 or their legs or something like that, you know, in a way of 282 00:17:18.230 --> 00:17:21.349 kind of like punishing them for some indiscretion they've done in the past. And 283 00:17:21.390 --> 00:17:22.710 it's all about that kind of like that justice, isn't it? That's the 284 00:17:22.750 --> 00:17:26.789 way that Jig saw used to work. But what does spiral bring to the 285 00:17:26.869 --> 00:17:30.900 table? Will it brings a kind of like a a corrupt, dirty cop 286 00:17:30.980 --> 00:17:34.819 kind of feel. Yeah, so someone is focusing on the police department and 287 00:17:36.420 --> 00:17:38.700 dirty cops and you know they're bringing their own form of justice with all of 288 00:17:38.740 --> 00:17:41.940 their unique traps. Is it? Is it the jigsaw killer? Is it 289 00:17:42.019 --> 00:17:45.329 as he come back again somehow? Because we know watching the original saw films 290 00:17:45.369 --> 00:17:48.329 he kind of dies every other film and and just to come back in some 291 00:17:48.450 --> 00:17:52.210 way, shape or form. But that's obviously as well old you to kind 292 00:17:52.210 --> 00:17:53.890 of like, you know, twisted timelines as well. So where does it 293 00:17:53.970 --> 00:17:56.450 take place in that? That's for you to go and see should you want 294 00:17:56.490 --> 00:18:02.480 to. Are the killings, torture devices and it puzzles and everything that as 295 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:07.240 ingenious as the original saw saw series? Probably not really. I would say 296 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:10.079 that the film opens very well and you go great, there we go, 297 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:15.190 and then it turns into a more conventional thriller. That said, many other 298 00:18:15.309 --> 00:18:18.470 reasons it it. It's kind of a little bit not the disappointment, but 299 00:18:18.549 --> 00:18:22.190 it's business as usual and before you know it you're in a threestaff thriller that 300 00:18:22.269 --> 00:18:26.349 you're sort of interested in but you want to kind of know how things are 301 00:18:26.349 --> 00:18:27.619 going to pan out. But then had they have kicked the door in and 302 00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:30.940 kicked us out of the cinema, I probably would have been able to have 303 00:18:30.019 --> 00:18:34.859 waited another couple of months to find out. I think Chris Rock is superb 304 00:18:36.019 --> 00:18:37.579 and, as I said, seeing him in a completely different way. Sam 305 00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:41.890 Jackson is Sam Jackson, but they've cast the character as Sir Jackson in the 306 00:18:41.970 --> 00:18:45.250 film. So is the know, the ideal guy to play it, and 307 00:18:45.450 --> 00:18:48.849 the support cast do their thing and you keeps your guess in and at the 308 00:18:48.890 --> 00:18:51.769 end you're kind of like, well, is it going to be a twist? 309 00:18:51.849 --> 00:18:53.410 Oh, there's a twist. Is that you know? How satisfying is 310 00:18:53.490 --> 00:18:56.920 it? Well, it depends how much you've invested in the film as well. 311 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.880 It is gruesome. It's not for the faint hearted. The music is 312 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.680 terrific. The atmosphere, especially in a dark cinema and when you're immersed, 313 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:10.109 is is what you would expect from films in the saw universe and it feels 314 00:19:10.150 --> 00:19:12.309 claustrophobic and it kind of ticks all the boxes. But I would probably say 315 00:19:12.509 --> 00:19:17.589 that, having again not seen all of the saw films, it's probably better 316 00:19:17.630 --> 00:19:21.430 than saw two, but nowhere near as good. Or imagine if the saw 317 00:19:21.589 --> 00:19:22.670 one, if you were to kind of like trying to score it like that. 318 00:19:22.829 --> 00:19:26.579 So I'd say it's definitely worth seeing if only for Chris rocks performance. 319 00:19:27.539 --> 00:19:30.380 But there's enough to keep your guess in and will be a great Saturday night 320 00:19:30.380 --> 00:19:33.579 in the cinema. And it feelt weird watching it on a Monday morning when 321

00:19:33.740 --> 00:19:37.660 you know that this film has come destined for a Saturday night. So I 322 00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:41.490 know it's performed quite well in America. In relation to it's performed, I 323 00:19:41.569 --> 00:19:45.009 think it I think it won one the weekend, the opening weekend, in 324 00:19:45.130 --> 00:19:48.369 relation to the other films that were coming out. But I think it has. 325 00:19:48.450 --> 00:19:51.690 Actually it's the lowest performance, I think, for a saw film, 326 00:19:51.769 --> 00:19:53.960 as you would expect, and that's probably no reflection your film. It's probably 327 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:56.480 just, you know, on the fact that people still haven't, you know, 328 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.359 don't feel reashored about going back to cinema yet, but hats off to 329 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.039 them for not waiting for this or putting it on a you know, a 330 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:07.509 streaming release at the same time over here. And you know, I think 331 00:20:07.670 --> 00:20:11.829 that, to be fair, I think I'm pretty went in with the kind 332 00:20:11.829 --> 00:20:14.910 of, like you know, my way of expectation for it was probably a 333 00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:17.109 case of great, I've been looking forward to this for a while and then, 334 00:20:17.150 --> 00:20:18.309 I say, halfway through our kind of went, okay, it's just 335 00:20:18.430 --> 00:20:22.339 a film, is three staff thriller at that, but I'll enjoyed the ride, 336 00:20:22.339 --> 00:20:23.819 and I did. And Yeah, I certainly wasn't. Yeah, I 337 00:20:23.859 --> 00:20:26.539 wasn't really let down. It just could have been better. So fantastic. 338 00:20:26.660 --> 00:20:30.700 There we go. So that's that's spiral, which is in cinemas, in 339 00:20:30.940 --> 00:20:36.490 cinemas. Now about I was about that. I will say this. So 340 00:20:36.569 --> 00:20:38.450 Chris Rock even though his character is mean, a moody and he scales the 341 00:20:38.450 --> 00:20:44.250 whole film, he definitely improvised some some of the lines in it, because 342 00:20:44.250 --> 00:20:48.170 I will say this is some of the lines in the script are absolutely superb. 343 00:20:48.329 --> 00:20:51.000 Manages to get those one liners in in a made that only Chris Rock 344 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:56.079 camp. We're going to move on to giant titans because I've managed to go 345 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:00.960 and see something brand new on a big screen really. So I managed to 346 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.910 get to the great brish driving. I don't mentioned it a few times before, 347 00:21:04.910 --> 00:21:08.349 but I'm a big fan of the work they do there and I was 348 00:21:08.430 --> 00:21:12.309 very, very lucky. Actually. I want tickets to go and to go 349 00:21:12.430 --> 00:21:17.950 and see a film of my choosing and I left it to my daughter's choice 350 00:21:18.109 --> 00:21:22.220 and she picks after seeing the trailer Godzilla versus Kong, which is directed by 351 00:21:22.259 --> 00:21:29.900 Adam Wing Guard and is a continuation of the the Godzilla stroke Kong stroke monarch 352 00:21:30.579 --> 00:21:33.890 monster verse, if you like to call it that, and it's finally bringing 353 00:21:34.089 --> 00:21:41.049 together Godzilla and Kong from Kong School Island. So this is following on from 354 00:21:41.049 --> 00:21:45.049 the original Goytheredwoods, Godzilla and God's all King of monsters and, as I 355 00:21:45.130 --> 00:21:51.720 say, Cong School Island. So the basic premise of it, it's as 356 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:53.519 if you need to know too much about the promise of it, as in 357 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:57.160 a time when monsters walk the earth, humanities fight for its future, sets 358 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.750 Godzilla and Kong on a collision course that will see the two most powerful forces 359 00:22:02.789 --> 00:22:07.509 of nature on the planets collide in a spectacular battle for the ages. Will 360 00:22:07.630 --> 00:22:11.230 they find out that both of their mum's names are Martha before it's too late? 361 00:22:11.549 --> 00:22:14.750 And if you've seen Batman vsus Superman, that is a brilliant joke. 362 00:22:15.579 --> 00:22:26.099 So so, yeah, so the basic PREMIS Godzilla's. Basically he's established himself 363 00:22:26.099 --> 00:22:30.369 in the last couple of films as being kind of a de facto hero. 364 00:22:30.890 --> 00:22:34.690 He's a defender of humanity and defender of the planet. Kong on the other 365 00:22:34.730 --> 00:22:38.890 hand, it is has now grown from his his size. You know, 366 00:22:40.130 --> 00:22:44.210 he's not in substantial size in conscoline, but because it's been about forty years, 367 00:22:44.210 --> 00:22:48.680 hence he is a properly see now and he's living out his life in 368 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:55.200 a dome on school island where he's being protected away from Godzilla because they they 369 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.269 know as soon as they get wind of each other it's basically all going to 370 00:22:59.309 --> 00:23:03.710 kick off. But something is sending Godzilla a little bit, a little bit 371 00:23:03.789 --> 00:23:11.069 nuts and he he starts turning up on land and wrecking basically anything to do 372 00:23:11.309 --> 00:23:15.539 with the the company Apex who, if you've seen, God to the King 373 00:23:15.619 --> 00:23:22.220 of monsters. They are the slucky, evil, sinister organization that was run 374 00:23:22.339 --> 00:23:26.970 by Charles Dance, now being run by Damian Bishier, who was in so 375 00:23:27.170 --> 00:23:32.970 he was in the hateful eight and he was in an incovenant and yeah, 376 00:23:33.769 --> 00:23:37.250 as a not too veiled thing that they've called themselves apex, as you know, 377 00:23:37.809 --> 00:23:41.009 the apex predators. This is the level of subtle too kind of working 378 00:23:41.089 --> 00:23:45.559 with with a

film and is there something sinister going on under the surface, 379 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:52.119 and it's you know, it's fairly well cast. Alexander Scars Guard Rebecca Hall, 380 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:56.349 Millie. Bobby Brown returns from God to the King of monsters, as 381 00:23:56.430 --> 00:24:02.269 does Carl Chandler. Also get Brian tyree Henry in a sort of wise cracking 382 00:24:03.269 --> 00:24:07.549 conspiracy theorist role. Julian Dennison, Ricky from hunt for the world's people, 383 00:24:07.549 --> 00:24:12.460 also turns up again as a bit of comic relief. And you know they're 384 00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:18.619 they're just there to spout portentious dialog and talk about sort of energy sources and 385 00:24:19.180 --> 00:24:25.690 hollow Earth, when what we're really wanting is great big monster smackdowns. And 386 00:24:26.049 --> 00:24:30.210 so yeah, the the dialog in the moments in between are literally just to 387 00:24:30.410 --> 00:24:36.609 carry you from one big beastie slap in another big beastie about the place. 388 00:24:37.410 --> 00:24:41.599 You know what those those moments are are quite fun and they hold a fair 389 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:44.720 bit of Heft, as with God to the King of monsters, which I 390 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:49.200 will confess, the actually with Godzilla as well. They're all visual feast. 391 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:52.589 I enjoyed Godzilla to it to a degree, I thought, you know, 392 00:24:53.190 --> 00:24:57.910 it had issues. killed off one of the most interesting characters in kind of 393 00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:02.349 the first act, and I wasn't a massive fan of God to look King 394 00:25:02.430 --> 00:25:07.619 of monsters. But when kind of visuals kicked in. It was beautiful to 395 00:25:07.660 --> 00:25:11.140 look at and some really, really quite spectacular special effects. It carries on 396 00:25:12.140 --> 00:25:17.099 that kind of trended that. You know, the special effects, particularly with 397 00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:19.180 the monsters, are are very good and, as I say, there's quite 398 00:25:19.180 --> 00:25:25.529 a bitter decent heft with the fights particularly. There's a there's a couple of 399 00:25:26.089 --> 00:25:32.650 a couple of climactic smackdowns that that take place and yeah, it's just, 400 00:25:33.410 --> 00:25:37.200 you know, I'm not going to sort of bang too long and hard on 401 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.160 about this film. That it's it's it's exactly what you're expecting it to be. 402 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:48.400 It's slightly slightly daff but reasonably likable, wise, cracking dialog, slightly 403 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:55.470 portentious science he dialog lacing together Godzilla, who, you know, probably doesn't 404 00:25:55.470 --> 00:25:59.470 get as much time as on screen as Kong does, and Kong, who 405 00:26:00.069 --> 00:26:02.750 Kong School Island, is my favorite of the series so far. I just 406 00:26:02.829 --> 00:26:08.220 think it's brilliant fun and he kind of feels like a decent hero to root 407 00:26:08.299 --> 00:26:11.619 for. I quite liked Kong. I was very much caried down on the 408 00:26:11.660 --> 00:26:15.819 side of Kong wanting to win this particular one. But yeah, it's it's 409 00:26:15.859 --> 00:26:21.490 it's exactly what it's again, it's a solid two and a half threestar bit 410 00:26:21.569 --> 00:26:26.970 of big special effects, action spectacular. Don't go in expecting anything more than 411 00:26:26.049 --> 00:26:30.529 that. But it is showing at cinemas at the moment. So rather than 412 00:26:30.849 --> 00:26:34.599 paying fifteen quid to watch it on your little piddly television at home, you 413 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.759 have the opportunity now to go and watch it in all its glory on a 414 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:44.759 big screen with the kickaff sound system. You know, this is what again 415 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:47.710 we're going back to cinema for. You want, you want some and that's 416 00:26:47.910 --> 00:26:52.390 a little bit spectacular. So it's not it's not great, but it has 417 00:26:52.430 --> 00:26:55.910 its moments of fun and you know, if if you're looking for a little 418 00:26:55.910 --> 00:26:59.470 bit of escapism for less than two hours, you could kind of do a 419 00:26:59.509 --> 00:27:03.019 lot worse. I think it would have been my return film had had spiral. 420 00:27:03.099 --> 00:27:04.099 I have been there, I think, just just so obviously. So 421 00:27:04.180 --> 00:27:07.980 we had something else to review on the PODCAST. I went to see spiral, 422 00:27:07.059 --> 00:27:11.579 but I think that that would have been my return film had I have 423 00:27:11.660 --> 00:27:14.180 had free reign of anything forwarder felt that atually, if you know, it 424 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:15.890 feels like a nice light cinema once I'm glad that you got to see on 425 00:27:15.970 --> 00:27:19.410 the big screen. Definitely, definitely, and yeah, I mean even even 426 00:27:19.730 --> 00:27:22.569 sort of on a car stereo. You crank it up, there's some some 427 00:27:22.690 --> 00:27:26.009 good base with with the sound as well. I do have to say I 428 00:27:26.130 --> 00:27:30.519 did when I when I did see it, the screen that I watched it 429 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:34.359 on and the kind of brightness mix wasn't the best and so I do feel 430 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:38.480 like I missed parts of it. So there may be cool to go back 431 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:44.430 and revisit it again just to just to see if my opinion of it lifts 432 00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:48.950 any because I think the viewing experience did slightly mar my enjoyment of it. 433 00:27:48.869 --> 00:27:52.430 And you know, it's just one of those things. It was a reasonably 434 00:27:52.470 --> 00:27:56.630 bright day and I think that the brightness mix that they had on the screen 435 00:27:56.190 --> 00:28:00.539 wasn't the

best. But but yeah, it was. It was fine and 436 00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:07.740 yeah, worth worth checking out if you particularly if you've got your your generic 437 00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:12.609 cinema monthly pass. So so, moving away from the big screen, we're 438 00:28:12.609 --> 00:28:18.890 going back to small screen and recent streaming releases and we're going for an Amazon 439 00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:26.250 prime exclusive. It's a tom clancy's without remorse. So directed by Stefano Salima, 440 00:28:26.569 --> 00:28:34.079 who directed the sequel to Sakario, also Starr in the rather brilliant Michael 441 00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:40.799 B Jordan, Jamie Bell and Jodie Turner Smith, who turned up in Queen 442 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.910 and slim last year. He was queen. Yes, so, yeah, 443 00:28:44.950 --> 00:28:48.670 that's Queen and Guy Pierce as well. And so, yeah, it to 444 00:28:48.750 --> 00:28:52.549 give you the story, an elite navy seal and covers an international conspiracy while 445 00:28:52.589 --> 00:28:59.059 seeking justice for the murder of his pregnant wife. So rare. Yes, 446 00:28:59.779 --> 00:29:03.299 so, Jents, what did you what did you think of without remorse, 447 00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:06.779 Craig, you've you've not weighed in as yet. This is one you've seen. 448 00:29:06.980 --> 00:29:11.130 How did you find without remorse? Well, if I was to be 449 00:29:11.650 --> 00:29:18.690 completely honest, I really didn't like it much at all. It was they 450 00:29:18.089 --> 00:29:22.369 it had moments that I really enjoyed. There was a couple of set pieces 451 00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:26.640 in it that and when I was younger, when I was sort of like 452 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:30.839 in my thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, I remembered a film for a set 453 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.240 piece and action film, and from this for me the moment, there's a 454 00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:38.789 moment about halfway through the film with the the aeroplane. I thought that was 455 00:29:40.309 --> 00:29:45.269 fantastic. Yeah, and the opening scene as well, where they they're opening 456 00:29:45.309 --> 00:29:48.589 assault. I don't think I'm given away too much there where they emerge from 457 00:29:48.589 --> 00:29:55.859 the water. I thought was was fantastic but that the script for it seemed 458 00:29:56.380 --> 00:30:00.220 weak. And the writer, Taylor Sheridan, who had done hell or high 459 00:30:00.259 --> 00:30:04.859 water and wind river, yeah, which are two amazing films that I love 460 00:30:06.019 --> 00:30:10.690 going back to, and Sakaria. Well, yeah, absolutely, you know, 461 00:30:10.809 --> 00:30:14.250 films that I would keep going back to and will happily keep going back 462 00:30:14.250 --> 00:30:18.410 to. He wrote this film where I would not happily go back to it. 463 00:30:18.490 --> 00:30:22.160 I wouldn't be happy going back to watch this again or recommend in this. 464 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.119 I just found it a bit paint by numbers, to be honest. 465 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.200 The everybody appeared to be dialing it up, you know, to play the 466 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:34.640 bad guy. Or I'm supposed to be the bad guy. I'm going to 467 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:40.390 be the curveball. Michael Pete Jordan was was great, yeah, but it 468 00:30:40.630 --> 00:30:42.869 his heart didn't seem in it. He's a and he's a great presence. 469 00:30:44.470 --> 00:30:47.789 Yeah, that's exactly what's going to say. He's got a real, real 470 00:30:48.630 --> 00:30:52.980 great physical presence about himself and I think with a right material he's he's so 471 00:30:53.180 --> 00:30:56.619 good. Sorry, I carry up with no, no, but that. 472 00:30:56.900 --> 00:31:00.740 You're absolutely right, but the the scenes with his wife were were too fleeting 473 00:31:02.019 --> 00:31:07.089 for me to really care about what happens to her and or not. But 474 00:31:07.170 --> 00:31:10.650 I did, but I didn't invest in, you know, the the revenge 475 00:31:10.809 --> 00:31:15.170 aspect of it. So there's there's lots and lots of it where I was 476 00:31:15.410 --> 00:31:18.200 like, you know, fifteen minutes has gone by. I've been a passive 477 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.880 viewer of this and I haven't been drawn into what has been going on here, 478 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.680 you know. But, like I said, the the scene with the 479 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.640 plane I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed. I really really enjoyed that. So yeah, 480 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.029 but what did you guys make of it? Well, I just want 481 00:31:33.069 --> 00:31:36.430 to kind of pick up on what you said about the writing. So I 482 00:31:37.430 --> 00:31:41.910 sort of agree that. I mean, I found it to be the right 483 00:31:41.269 --> 00:31:45.710 sort of film for my mood at the time. So I just needed some 484 00:31:45.829 --> 00:31:49.339 Saturday night action wallpaper. Wasn't looking to get invested in it and I just 485 00:31:51.059 --> 00:31:53.299 it was a film that I just let happen and and it was it was 486 00:31:53.859 --> 00:31:59.859 okay. Do you think that the part of the problem with the with the 487 00:31:59.900 --> 00:32:05.369 writing, is maybe down to the fact that, rather than Taylor Sheridan writing 488 00:32:05.450 --> 00:32:07.170 this from cut the top of his head, that it's based on the Tom 489 00:32:07.250 --> 00:32:12.329 Clancy novel obviously feels like a bit of a franchise start. So that trying 490 00:32:12.369 --> 00:32:16.279 to set up a basically a new Jack Ryan with with Michael B Jordan in 491 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:21.119 the lead role as the what's it called? John and Ken? John Kelly. 492 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.440 So, so John Clark, who's the name of the character from the 493 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:28.880 from the novels. But yeah, that maybe. I think that might have 494 00:32:29.039 -->

00:32:34.950 something that, you know, the source materials probably a little outdated now and 495 00:32:35.069 --> 00:32:38.190 I agree that. So it was very paint by numbers. That there the 496 00:32:38.349 --> 00:32:46.099 justifications for everything that had gone on were quite were quite weak, quite sort 497 00:32:46.140 --> 00:32:52.140 of nothing really had to kind of the gravity of the impact that something like 498 00:32:52.299 --> 00:32:59.930 this should have. That you know that the twist was completely unsurprising and possibly 499 00:33:00.769 --> 00:33:04.890 possibly signed posted by the casting I think so. Yeah, I think so. 500 00:33:05.049 --> 00:33:07.650 When as soon as I saw the name, I'm like, okay, 501 00:33:07.650 --> 00:33:09.809 yeah, maybe that's that's we know whether we know where this is scared. 502 00:33:10.009 --> 00:33:13.480 There were moments, like you said, with the with the plane, you 503 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.640 know, the literal wet work at the beginning was a good sequers and that 504 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:21.359 kind of drew me in. But then I just found particularly towards the end 505 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.200 of the film that it was just happening and there was no real kind of 506 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:30.630 engagement with it and they established kind of some of the allegiances a little bit 507 00:33:30.670 --> 00:33:36.109 too easily considering what had gone before. So for me, Bang average, 508 00:33:36.309 --> 00:33:40.619 but I wasn't offended by it. Passed the time. I won't rush back 509 00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:45.420 to see it again. You know what I thought? I think I think 510 00:33:45.579 --> 00:33:47.700 it was yeah, exactly that. I think everything you guys have said is 511 00:33:49.059 --> 00:33:51.619 exactly true. Bang average, but I think I enjoyed it more than you 512 00:33:51.700 --> 00:33:53.539 guys did and I think the thing was I think my expectations were lower. 513 00:33:53.859 --> 00:33:58.609 I kind of felt a bit I thought, what is about Tom Clancy stuff? 514 00:33:59.009 --> 00:34:01.369 But there's that I think it might have be with like when I was 515 00:34:01.609 --> 00:34:05.329 when I was a kid, I used to go I watch that Patriot games 516 00:34:06.009 --> 00:34:07.170 and I was like, okay, yeah, this is good, but it's 517 00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:09.760 not Harrison Ford in his most action packed roles, because I love in the 518 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.679 other Jones. And there's obviously when I was a lot younger. And then 519 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.440 then I remember going to see clear and present danger with my friends and we 520 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:17.639 went along or watched it and I was like, yeah, this is good. 521 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.199 It kind of goes for the emotions and everything like that, and then 522 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.389 whenever there's bit and some of all fears as well. And although whenever there's 523 00:34:23.429 --> 00:34:25.949 a Tom clancy thing, I think to myself it will be a kind of 524 00:34:27.070 --> 00:34:30.710 Threestar, midlevel, enjoyable political, you know, espionage thriller, the see, 525 00:34:30.710 --> 00:34:34.949 you know that kind of stuff. And I think with with that remorse, 526 00:34:35.150 --> 00:34:37.550 I was more excited about it before and I wish it wasn't called Tom 527 00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:42.219 Clancy's with that remorse, because when people say Tom Clancy it's like saying we're 528 00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:45.380 going to put a disclaimer in the title, basically saying if you love a 529 00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:49.300 bit of Tom Clancy you'll like this. If not, you probably find it 530 00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:52.449 a bit three star. You know now I started watching this oddly at thirty 531 00:34:52.570 --> 00:34:57.369 in the morning with a cup of coffee and and pobbish or two hours so 532 00:34:57.489 --> 00:35:00.690 it was done. I was done by just after nine and I was like, 533 00:35:00.849 --> 00:35:02.570 okay, great, yeah, I can go with my damn glad I've 534 00:35:02.570 --> 00:35:06.289 seen it. Ticked it off the list and I think I was the reason 535 00:35:06.289 --> 00:35:07.519 I wanted to watch it, obviously to discuss it on the podcast for you 536 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.920 guys, but I just want to I like Michael B Jordan. I think 537 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.960 he's a great presence and, you know, like you guys, I think 538 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.800 he's the best thing about the film and do like Jamie Bell, Guy Pierce 539 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.880 has got to stop playing you, I pierce, in these kind of roles. 540 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.789 Whenever I was watching him the whole film, thinking, man, you 541 00:35:21.909 --> 00:35:23.789 know, you know, you're the memento man. What what you did? 542 00:35:24.349 --> 00:35:27.750 Why? Why do you keep popping up as the guy in the suit that 543 00:35:27.869 --> 00:35:30.750 you, I'm an, are about? You know, Jamie Bell, at 544 00:35:30.829 --> 00:35:32.750 least he's kind of like some of his roles are got a bit more variety 545 00:35:32.829 --> 00:35:37.340 to it, but Guy Pierce is woefully under used in Hollywood in general, 546 00:35:37.460 --> 00:35:39.019 and it's because he's in films like this. Yeah, and I was watching 547 00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:42.260 it and I was thinking to myself, yeah, this is quite enjoyable. 548 00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:46.619 I will say this right had I have seen without remorse when I was fifteen 549 00:35:46.659 --> 00:35:50.769 years old, instead of clear and present danger, I probably would have enjoyed 550 00:35:50.809 --> 00:35:52.730 myself a little bit more because what it didn't have, or what it had 551 00:35:52.769 --> 00:35:57.050 but by folks in not on someone that's the reluctant hero, a little bit 552 00:35:57.170 --> 00:36:00.369 like year Jack Ryan's it

was it. You know, the Michael B Jordan's 553 00:36:00.369 --> 00:36:05.000 character is. It was in the thick of it, because that's what he 554 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.239 did. Yeah, and I found that there was a lot more action in 555 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.599 it that whenever I started to get a little bit bored and action sequence came 556 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.199 along and I was like okay, cool, yeah, I'm back in the 557 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.119 game now, back in the game, and then I'd start to lose interest 558 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:20.429 again and then another action sequence would come up. But you know, and 559 00:36:20.510 --> 00:36:22.389 that sequence, yeah, that the plane sequence is great. The sequence in 560 00:36:22.389 --> 00:36:24.630 the prisons brilliant as well. When you see that kind of thing, when 561 00:36:24.630 --> 00:36:28.269 you see is, you know, will whenever, I'll level with you, 562 00:36:28.349 --> 00:36:30.789 whenever Michael B Jordon's got his shirt off, I'm appy, you know. 563 00:36:30.829 --> 00:36:32.219 I mean it was kind of like he was going for it and I was 564 00:36:32.300 --> 00:36:35.500 like yeah, this is this is good, and I did like that it 565 00:36:35.539 --> 00:36:37.300 didn't outstake. It's welcome because it clocks in under two hours, which is 566 00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:40.019 kind of like another thing with Tom Clancy stuff. You kind of go and 567 00:36:40.059 --> 00:36:44.699 I admittedly I've not seen the Jack Ryan TV show, which I would like 568 00:36:44.780 --> 00:36:46.969 to see, but again I think it's because of the casting. I think 569 00:36:46.969 --> 00:36:51.409 I used to be a little bit kind of I wasn't enthused about Ben Affleck 570 00:36:51.530 --> 00:36:53.289 taking over from Harrison Ford, but when I actually look back at it, 571 00:36:53.369 --> 00:36:55.769 I think I used to tell people that I used to like the Jack Ryan's 572 00:36:55.769 --> 00:37:00.530 thrillers because I wanted to. I wanted people to think that I like Jack 573 00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:02.079 Ryan for it is, when in fact I probably won't go back and revisit 574 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:05.639 them any time soon. You know I mean, it's that kind of thing. 575 00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:07.800 So I think, I think, without remorse, was better than I 576 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.599 expected it to be, because I expected it's just be dull. But the 577 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.719 thing that kind of bothered me the most about the film, and it probably 578 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.030 shows how much engagement I had with it, was during one of the earlier 579 00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:20.909 parts of the film, not to give anything away, where there's an assault 580 00:37:20.949 --> 00:37:24.429 on his house. Right he's downstairs in his front room listening to music on 581 00:37:24.750 --> 00:37:28.750 on his on his laptop, yeah, on his Bluetooth, right, and 582 00:37:29.469 -->

00:37:31.860 the villains, before they're breaking in, they cut the power to his house 583 00:37:31.940 --> 00:37:36.460 and he's laptop goes off and all I could think of throat the entire action 584 00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:40.059 sequence, was why didn't battery on the laptop kick it? Why did he 585 00:37:40.179 --> 00:37:44.769 notice that there was an assault on his house? Because the battery on his 586 00:37:44.809 --> 00:37:49.849 laptop. Someone that's in an elite squad would have probably quite up to date 587 00:37:49.969 --> 00:37:52.849 tech in their house right and they're at least I my battery on my laptop 588 00:37:52.889 --> 00:37:58.530 lasted longer then he's laptop battery did. So I couldn't get over that. 589 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:00.400 And by that by and by the point that had happened, we were already 590 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.079 kind of like two thirds into the film and I was like cool, okay, 591 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.519 don't well, we know that this guy doesn't have a lasting battery on 592 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.039 his laptop, so what else is he going to like trip up on? 593 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:15.429 That's why I think the the moment for me that I can't realized that maybe 594 00:38:15.469 --> 00:38:19.989 I shouldn't be taking it hundred percent seriously is when there was a news report 595 00:38:20.670 --> 00:38:23.829 going on so in a briefing room and one of the news reporters was purred, 596 00:38:23.869 --> 00:38:29.940 happily, from parks and recreation as well. Plus also as well, 597 00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:34.900 one of the villains in it is the guy from fleabag and as it was, 598 00:38:35.019 --> 00:38:37.260 it was there was just I was just thinking about so many things about 599 00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:40.420 the production and the writing and everything like that. I wasn't really focusing on 600 00:38:40.449 --> 00:38:43.809 the film and any time that my mind would go like that. They call 601 00:38:43.889 --> 00:38:46.130 me better than actually sequence that to be fair, or quite well executed. 602 00:38:46.530 --> 00:38:49.929 So I you know, I think it's kind of it's probably better. In 603 00:38:50.010 --> 00:38:52.610 my opinion, it was better than my average Tom Clancy. But then if 604 00:38:52.650 --> 00:38:53.809 you're not a Tom Cloanncy fan, it's not going to win you over. 605 00:38:54.090 --> 00:38:58.559 Now I think there's a just go back to the action sequence is really quickly. 606 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:00.360 Just as kind of a final point, there's one that takes place at 607 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:07.159 an airport involving a car on fire, and I saw a sort of mini 608 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.670 feature at on the making of that moment and the fact that that was all 609 00:39:12.789 --> 00:39:19.670 done in camera and real fire, real Michael B Jordan really getting into that 610 00:39:19.829 --> 00:39:23.940 car. Yeah, that's yeah, that's yeah, I mean that's you know, 611 00:39:24.059 --> 00:39:29.260 there are moments in it that kind of go above and beyond your standard 612 00:39:30.059 --> 00:39:32.579 box standard conspiracy thriller and there are moments like that that you know, that 613 00:39:32.699 --> 00:39:38.610 are really well executed. But and I guess, yeah, I guess that 614 00:39:38.849 --> 00:39:44.010 that sort of is what held the appeal for me is that these moments all 615 00:39:44.010 --> 00:39:47.610 the way through and quite a sort of a rote conspiracy thriller, that that, 616 00:39:47.769 --> 00:39:51.969 you know, it was portrated by some really really smart actual moment. 617 00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:54.559 So it does the does the Tom Clossy think? Good, you know well 618 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.400 enough, but not going to win anyone else. MMM. So I if 619 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.320 you're interested in a bit of Tom Clancy, conspiracy thriller without remorse is on 620 00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:07.510 Amazon prime now. And so we come to the last of our reviews for 621 00:40:07.789 --> 00:40:12.630 this particular episode and we're moving over to Netflix. Will the recent streaming releases. 622 00:40:13.349 --> 00:40:17.550 It's the French thriller oxygen, directed by Alexandra Agha. So the basic 623 00:40:17.590 --> 00:40:22.699 story is no escape, no memory, ninety minutes to live. A woman 624 00:40:22.820 --> 00:40:28.300 wakes in a cryogenic chamber with no recollection of how she got there and must 625 00:40:28.460 --> 00:40:31.420 find a way out before running out of air. So this is one that 626 00:40:31.780 --> 00:40:35.929 both me and Craig have seen, so I'm going to jump in first, 627 00:40:35.929 --> 00:40:37.730 if that's all right with you, Craig, what you go for? It 628 00:40:37.929 --> 00:40:42.170 fantastic. So oxygen. I saw the trailers pop up that while ago and 629 00:40:42.250 --> 00:40:45.969 thought that looks like a an interesting premise. I mean it's something that ticking 630 00:40:46.010 --> 00:40:51.639 clock, race against time, losing oxygen. It's something that we seem previously 631 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:57.039 in the brilliant but very, very bleak buried with Ryan Reynolds from a few 632 00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.519 years ago. It feels like a kind of a high tech, almost sci 633 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.989 fi updating of the kind of the buried story. At the idea of somebody 634 00:41:06.869 --> 00:41:12.670 that is trapped with kind of minimal communications with outside world, limited space, 635 00:41:13.909 --> 00:41:17.230 but where she's trapped in this in this kind of cryogenic chambers, is it's 636 00:41:17.269 --> 00:41:23.019 a bit of a box of tricks that could could basically killer before before the 637 00:41:23.139 --> 00:41:27.699 air runs out. So it's kind of it. It's a decent thriller. 638 00:41:28.659 --> 00:41:32.929 Now, I wear because it's Netflix one, they offer both English dubbing and 639

00:41:35.050 --> 00:41:37.809 subtitled version. So, Craig, I believe you watch the dubbed version. 640 00:41:37.849 --> 00:41:43.409 Yes, I did. I wasn't really given a choice because of our okay, 641 00:41:43.489 --> 00:41:45.769 because of the way the APP that I was watching it through didn't give 642 00:41:45.809 --> 00:41:50.119 me a choice. So right, okay, and I, yeah, I 643 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.719 opted for the French subtitled option as soon as I realized that it was it 644 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:58.599 was the dubbed, the dumb version. I prefer. I first subtitled with 645 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:04.150 the the original kind of actors performance in there. And you know what, 646 00:42:04.710 --> 00:42:09.829 it's pretty good, I think, particularly the the setup and that kind of 647 00:42:10.230 --> 00:42:15.940 air of mystery and that that kind of piecing together a puzzle from within there, 648 00:42:15.980 --> 00:42:21.739 because essentially this this cryogenic pod that she's in has technology to be able 649 00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:24.860 to kind of search the Internet, make phone calls, find information out. 650 00:42:25.179 --> 00:42:30.769 It's useful for its basically try and piece together her life, because essentially Liz, 651 00:42:30.050 --> 00:42:36.329 played by Melanie Laurent is, she wakes up basically with Amnesia, not 652 00:42:36.449 --> 00:42:40.210 remembering who she is, how she got there and why she only has thirty 653 00:42:40.289 --> 00:42:45.400 three percent oxygen left and not long before it runs out. And it's really 654 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:52.559 interesting because, particularly in that first bit where she's kind of hyperventilating and quite 655 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.760 sort of violent, with a movement the computer, who's played by Matthew Amrak 656 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:02.590 who's in quantum of solace and he was also in the sound of metal as 657 00:43:02.630 --> 00:43:07.469 well. It's lovely sort of deep French computer voice just tell it that with 658 00:43:07.590 --> 00:43:13.179 her current consumption and she'd actually only have forty minutes to live, and so 659 00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:17.340 that that sort of adds the layer of tension that actually that that increased oxygen 660 00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:22.980 consumptions actually making her task that little bit harder. And I think the way 661 00:43:23.019 --> 00:43:29.250 I found it particularly is it got to a point in the film where the 662 00:43:29.409 --> 00:43:32.610 mystery was going to you think it's going in a certain direction because it it 663 00:43:32.809 --> 00:43:37.610 does jump to flashback and it does, you know, she does have hallucinations 664 00:43:37.769 --> 00:43:43.440 and takes it back to two moments outside of the pod which sort of help 665 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.719 you link, think way link in the story up to and it does drop 666 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:51.679 little bread crumbs through. But what I found with the with kind of that 667 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:55.829 that there's that midpoint revelation and the revelation for me, while the setups kind 668 00:43:55.829 --> 00:44:01.150 of effective and intrigue in the the too reveals, they slightly deaden the impact, 669 00:44:02.269 --> 00:44:06.550 that it's less of a Oh my God, that's a big twist to 670 00:44:06.869 --> 00:44:08.030 kind of all right, okay, yeah, I can, okay, I 671 00:44:08.070 --> 00:44:13.420 can. I can see that it's it's a nice little twist, but I 672 00:44:13.539 --> 00:44:17.260 think the way the way the twist worked, because it felt more like it 673 00:44:17.420 --> 00:44:22.659 was more of a sort of a conspiracy thing. The twist almost took a 674 00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:28.969 little bit of the the tension out of it. I found that the race 675 00:44:29.090 --> 00:44:34.409 against time became less I don't know, it just it just felt less important 676 00:44:34.449 --> 00:44:37.960 with now that mystery had been had been solved. However, I the that 677 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.320 the big thing for me is Melane Ron's performance. I thought she was just 678 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:50.320 brilliant it's a really, really challenging role, essentially spending a whole film in 679 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:55.550 a really color limited space with the camera right right there in a face, 680 00:44:57.590 --> 00:45:01.349 so literally you can't miss a thing that she does and you know she was. 681 00:45:01.550 --> 00:45:07.500 She was expressive and the genuine fear and the genuine frustration with a situation. 682 00:45:07.900 --> 00:45:14.739 I thought, if nothing else for her, it's absolutely worth watching because 683 00:45:14.780 --> 00:45:17.219 she was. She was absolutely brilliant. How did you find it? Cry, 684 00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:24.369 the the first forty five minutes I was completely gripped and I was I 685 00:45:24.610 --> 00:45:29.610 was all in. I was this is a five star kickoff to a film. 686 00:45:30.250 --> 00:45:36.280 I was I completely agree. How performance, melody's performance was sensational. 687 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.360 Yeah, and her physicality, with with very limited movement, obviously being in 688 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:49.119 in that chamber, was fantastic and the the parts when she would move from 689 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:54.070 side to side and so on were wonderful, really, really nicely like used, 690 00:45:54.190 --> 00:45:59.789 and it used only sparingly. I agree that there is a point where 691 00:46:00.550 --> 00:46:04.860 I wouldn't necessarily have put it down to to any sort of revelation, but 692 00:46:04.940 --> 00:46:08.460 there is a point where you're given enough, you're you're dropped a few hints 693 00:46:08.500 --> 00:46:12.460 and you were like, okay, I think I know where this is going, 694 00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:16.659 and you know you are. I mean the smugness in me was kind

695 00:46:16.659 --> 00:46:21.090 of massage and going yes, Craig, well done, you've done you've worked 696 00:46:21.130 --> 00:46:24.329 out part of the story before they've given it away, and that did soften 697 00:46:24.570 --> 00:46:29.090 the last sort of twenty to twenty five minutes of the of the film. 698 00:46:30.289 --> 00:46:36.519 But I was I can see the buried part. I I found lots of 699 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.760 source code in it as well. You know that the things that I loved 700 00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:46.789 about source code in this and I and the menacingness of Milow as well, 701 00:46:46.909 --> 00:46:51.710 which was was wonderful, and I definitely will go back and watch this and 702 00:46:51.750 --> 00:46:54.949 I will watch this with subtitles as well to see if that sort of how 703 00:46:54.989 --> 00:47:00.829 much is that is ramped up by the dubbing and so on. But the 704 00:47:00.989 --> 00:47:04.739 look of the the pod itself, I thought was, yeah, wonderful, 705 00:47:05.179 --> 00:47:08.619 and that that the there's an arm that comes out, a robotic arm that 706 00:47:08.739 --> 00:47:14.780 comes out, had a wonderful menacing sort of like physicality to it, which 707 00:47:14.780 --> 00:47:17.530 I really, really like. So I by the end of the film I 708 00:47:17.849 --> 00:47:22.650 felt a little bit empty, but then that's part of the way that the 709 00:47:22.730 --> 00:47:28.929 story goes. Yeah, and it felt a perfect accompaniment to, you know, 710 00:47:29.369 --> 00:47:31.400 just coming out of where we're at at the minute, you know, 711 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:37.239 in in the world. It was like, okay, it's you know, 712 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:43.159 it felt like a perfect bedfellow to to the last year that the majority of 713 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.550 us have had, you know. Yeah, and I knowing that it was 714 00:47:45.630 --> 00:47:51.150 filmed between the two lockdowns and so on, it was. I thoroughly enjoyed 715 00:47:51.150 --> 00:47:53.309 it. I can't wait to watch it again and now, you know, 716 00:47:53.429 --> 00:47:58.429 watching it with the subtitles and I'll go and watch it on a different platform, 717 00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:02.980 different device. So yeah, it's I thoroughly enjoyed it. Wouldn't give 718 00:48:02.980 --> 00:48:07.539 it five stars, I wouldn't go that far because of the last twenty minutes, 719 00:48:07.699 --> 00:48:10.260 but I was really, really taken with it. Yeah, I sort 720 00:48:10.300 --> 00:48:15.250 of went went down the middle with with kind of three stars with it. 721 00:48:15.969 --> 00:48:19.409 I think probably in hindsight, maybe a little bit harsh, just because, 722 00:48:19.969 --> 00:48:23.409 like you say, that first that first bit with the with kind of piecing 723 00:48:23.409 --> 00:48:29.440 the puzzle together and the performance and the mystery of it was brilliant. I 724 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.079 mean it's so well done. It

was really intriguing. I just I just 725 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.840 found when when those that the story developments were dropped, that it just so 726 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.789 an okay, yeah, all right, fair enough, fair enough, and 727 00:48:40.989 --> 00:48:45.710 I think I think I was geared up for something more of a race against 728 00:48:45.789 --> 00:48:52.110 time, conspiracy theory, big revelations. It was good, but I didn't 729 00:48:52.150 --> 00:48:55.460 I didn't love it. So but in that last twenty minutes you do have 730 00:48:55.699 --> 00:49:00.860 the Milo character, the computer, doing that the at the sixty two countdown, 731 00:49:01.099 --> 00:49:06.699 which was incredibly tense. That was yeah, I mean that that fine 732 00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:09.369 or sequence, and there was some really, really great set pieces as well, 733 00:49:10.449 --> 00:49:14.969 set pieces in a tiny little box, you know, just involving a 734 00:49:15.849 --> 00:49:20.449 kind of an intravenous drip and as there's a couple of moments with that, 735 00:49:20.769 --> 00:49:25.920 with either with either needles or drips that in that enclosed space and kind of 736 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.719 the potentially fatal result of those moments. Did you know that? It was 737 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:37.000 really effective. So yeah, I mean it's definitely, definitely worth checking out. 738 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:42.389 I say, I quite enjoyed the French subtitles. I thought the performances 739 00:49:43.150 --> 00:49:46.429 were great. So yeah, if if you've got Netflix and you want a 740 00:49:46.510 --> 00:49:52.059 nice tense bit of Sci Fi thriller oxygen, it's well worth a better a 741 00:49:52.139 --> 00:49:57.900 time. So in a little bit of little bit of Providence we came up 742 00:49:57.900 --> 00:50:01.579 with the idea for this next section a little while ago and it was kind 743 00:50:01.579 --> 00:50:07.530 of prompted by a completely different film and we'll go into that in a little 744 00:50:07.530 --> 00:50:09.610 bit more detailed the moment, but it sort of links nicely into oxygen because 745 00:50:10.130 --> 00:50:14.369 one of the things that we would sort of talked about in the past off 746 00:50:14.449 --> 00:50:21.409 Mike was films that we absolutely love but you know, we'll never kind of 747 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.960 want to or have the urge to see again in a hurry. I know 748 00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:30.119 Craig he said that last week, the last episode, when we talked about 749 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:34.039 no mad land, that he thought it was a wonderful film but it's not 750 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.710 something that he will go out of his way to watch and it just really 751 00:50:37.750 --> 00:50:43.789 set me thinking on for different reasons why people might not want to revisit certain 752 00:50:43.829 --> 00:50:46.269 films. I think that's you know, we alluded to it quite early on 753 00:50:47.030 --> 00:50:53.019 in the oxygen review. Is Buried. I think it's a I mean it's 754 00:50:53.019 --> 00:50:59.219 a really, really effective, tense, claustrophobic thriller, really kind of Dour 755 00:50:59.340 --> 00:51:06.690 Down Beats. Think that I was absolutely gripped by but given that first of 756 00:51:06.730 --> 00:51:10.570 all I am I am quite claustrophobic, it was a bit of a it 757 00:51:10.809 --> 00:51:14.809 was a bit of a challenge for me to kind of to kind of sit 758 00:51:14.929 --> 00:51:17.409 through, because sometimes I mean just that there's that moment in aliens, for 759 00:51:17.489 --> 00:51:22.440 example, where bishop is crawling down the tube and that gives me palpitations just 760 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.639 because of how restricted he is. So having a whole film with somebody in 761 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.280 this tiny, restricted space. It did. It did kind of play on 762 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:36.909 my fears a little bit. So while I absolutely love it, for those 763 00:51:37.070 --> 00:51:40.949 reasons, it's probably not something I'm gonna rush back in a hurry to watch. 764 00:51:42.070 --> 00:51:44.829 I own it and I think with the three films I'm going to be 765 00:51:44.869 --> 00:51:46.860 talking about in this section, I own all three, so I have the 766 00:51:46.940 --> 00:51:52.099 opportunity there to watch them. I just I just don't think I'm going to 767 00:51:52.179 --> 00:51:57.860 I'm going to rush. We talked about this so on a call earlier, 768 00:51:58.099 --> 00:52:00.460 earlier this week, and Kevi, you made a really good point. That's 769 00:52:00.460 --> 00:52:04.690 actually you know, about buried about the time that you would watch it again. 770 00:52:04.769 --> 00:52:07.090 Yeah, I think it's. I think the thing is especially where, 771 00:52:07.090 --> 00:52:09.329 if we will, if we start this on kind of like high concept thrillers. 772 00:52:09.369 --> 00:52:14.170 Essentially, if you go which a high concept thriller or high concept anything 773 00:52:14.170 --> 00:52:15.000 to be honest, something like speed, you know, God get the bus 774 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:19.840 about fifty miles an hour buried. It takes place underground gravity. It's like 775 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.320 a roller coaster ride in space. Is She's try and get back to Earth. 776 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:23.760 All of those kind of things. Generally, if you have a high 777 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:28.559 concept thriller or something like that, that's more of an experience than it is 778 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.030 like, you know, like something like the Godfather, where you sit back 779 00:52:30.030 --> 00:52:32.150 and you go, yes, I'm going to admire this and this is really 780 00:52:32.190 --> 00:52:35.510 good. Look at that acting and everything. But you have something that's like 781 00:52:35.630 --> 00:52:37.510 this is going to get your heart going up, is going to make

you 782 00:52:37.550 --> 00:52:39.670 feel claustrophobic or it's going to make your heart race. All of those kind 783 00:52:39.750 --> 00:52:43.909 of films, it's like, if it doesn't pay off, or it might 784 00:52:44.030 --> 00:52:45.500 only pay off one so I kind of man so to go back. We 785 00:52:45.619 --> 00:52:47.980 buried. It's that kind of thing. But what I want to do is 786 00:52:49.059 --> 00:52:51.139 if I want to watch that again, and I do want to watch it 787 00:52:51.219 --> 00:52:53.300 again. I've not seen it since I saw it, but you're right, 788 00:52:53.420 --> 00:52:57.340 like yourself, I own it. What I want to do is I want 789 00:52:57.380 --> 00:53:00.769 to watch it with someone, so I can watch it with them and see 790 00:53:00.809 --> 00:53:02.610 how they react to it's the same with gravity. I think I saw gravity 791 00:53:02.650 --> 00:53:07.329 and it's opening weekend. I saw it with you guys, Craig and Scott. 792 00:53:07.369 --> 00:53:07.889 We went to see it and which is brilliant, and I saw it 793 00:53:08.010 --> 00:53:13.280 two days later and I remember thinking I was as excited about watching it with 794 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.199 the person I was watching it with as I was about seeing the film again. 795 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.800 And I think that's kind of what it isn't it's that sort of thing 796 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.199 where I doubt I'd put myself through buried again, but I'd love to see 797 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.119 someone else put themselves through it and react and talk about it more importantly, 798 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:27.829 and I think that's what it is as well. Asn't it is if you 799 00:53:27.869 --> 00:53:29.869 go and Waich your film. There are some films you can watch, digest 800 00:53:29.909 --> 00:53:31.389 and go about Your Business. There are some films that you come out you 801 00:53:31.510 --> 00:53:35.309 just want to discuss, you just want to talk about it. You also 802 00:53:35.389 --> 00:53:37.630 as well, you sometimes find yourself in, especially in like pub conversations, 803 00:53:37.869 --> 00:53:42.699 talking about films that you probably didn't really give the time of day or Fiel, 804 00:53:42.820 --> 00:53:45.699 didn't give them the attention they deserved at the time. Someone'll talk to 805 00:53:45.739 --> 00:53:46.659 you about it and you're like wow, okay, so you know what, 806 00:53:47.179 --> 00:53:50.860 maybe I do need to go back and revisit that. I won't go and 807 00:53:50.940 --> 00:53:53.139 see buried again, but then talking to somebody about it's actually quite exciting. 808 00:53:53.219 --> 00:53:57.610 It was actually quite a really good idea. It wasn't just high concept because 809 00:53:57.650 --> 00:54:00.929 again, when it comes to high concept stuff, sometimes the concept. I'm 810 00:54:00.969 --> 00:54:05.210 thinking of a film with Amanda seafreed and Justin Timber Lake some years ago. 811 00:54:05.449 --> 00:54:07.170 I think it was called entire in time. Yeah, in time. Yeah, 812 00:54:07.210 --> 00:54:10.800 that was a high concept thriller, but it didn't deliver, and I 813 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:15.440 think that's the thing sometimes and sometimes they're so excited about the premise they don't 814 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.960 actually deliver the goods as well, you know. So that's why some high 815 00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:22.079 concept thrillers, if we're talking about that kind of element as well, you 816 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:24.070 got on. You think this is a great way to be experienced in the 817 00:54:24.110 --> 00:54:29.269 cinema, but I don't know how buried will work on on a DVD or 818 00:54:29.269 --> 00:54:30.630 on a Blu Ray, that kind of thing. So buried is something I 819 00:54:30.670 --> 00:54:34.070 do want to go back and watch, not because I want to put myself 820 00:54:34.110 --> 00:54:36.750 through it again, but I'd love to watch someone else put themselves through it, 821 00:54:36.829 --> 00:54:38.699 if that makes sense. Definitely, definitely, and that's that's kind of 822 00:54:38.739 --> 00:54:44.539 the joy of film, because before we got hang hand over to Craig for 823 00:54:45.460 --> 00:54:47.340 some of his thoughts, Kev actually did this to me, I think, 824 00:54:49.179 --> 00:54:52.889 because my the film that kind of prompted me to kind of think about this, 825 00:54:52.969 --> 00:54:55.369 this segment and films that I love that I'm probably not going to be 826 00:54:55.409 --> 00:54:59.650 in a hurry to watch again. It's one that Kev took me to go 827 00:54:59.809 --> 00:55:02.610 and see and now you'd seen not turn my animals before. Yes, you 828 00:55:02.690 --> 00:55:05.889 took me to go and see it. I didn't. Yes, yes, 829 00:55:05.969 --> 00:55:09.719 I did. Now, not to turn animals. Tom Ford directed again a 830 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:15.400 thriller starring Jack Jellen Hall and Amy Adams and Aaron Taylor Johnson and Michael Shannon. 831 00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:22.469 Hell of a cast was, I thought, absolutely brilliant, really, 832 00:55:23.389 --> 00:55:28.789 really, really great film. The reason, I think, more than anything, 833 00:55:29.110 --> 00:55:31.989 is there is a set piece in the middle, and going to go 834 00:55:32.349 --> 00:55:39.179 the spoil a light as possible, but essentially it involves Jake Len Hall's family 835 00:55:40.139 --> 00:55:47.739 basically being held up on the road by Aaron Taylor Johnson's absolutely foul, fearsome, 836 00:55:49.099 --> 00:55:54.969 horrible get of a human and his and his to his too, friends 837 00:55:55.369 --> 00:56:06.159 and the whole sequence is so uncomfortable and it's so tense and is it's it 838 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:10.440 is literally like a living, sort of waking nightmare. Is that that you're 839 00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:15.840 watching this and you're putting yourself in that situation and you cannot, you

literally 840 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:22.110 cannot see a way out of that situation at all. You can't see how 841 00:56:23.309 --> 00:56:29.030 anything they could have done could have worked out any different to how the seam 842 00:56:29.150 --> 00:56:34.619 progresses and how it pays off. And it's just a I mean it's a 843 00:56:34.820 --> 00:56:38.500 it's a massive Gut Punch had you know, for that reason, if I 844 00:56:38.659 --> 00:56:43.300 was to watch it again, I would really need to kind of sit down 845 00:56:43.980 --> 00:56:47.610 and kind of be in that in that frame of mind and that mindset because, 846 00:56:47.929 --> 00:56:52.210 I mean the film itself, I mean goes, you know, follows 847 00:56:52.250 --> 00:56:55.210 that through. I do you kind of wish there was a bit more of 848 00:56:55.250 --> 00:56:59.809 a visceral payoff to it. I think that that's that's certainly how I found 849 00:56:59.809 --> 00:57:04.960 at the time, but certainly because it's essentially two stories playing alongside each that 850 00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:13.280 Amy Adams reading her ex's story and the deck x played by Jack Jillenhall, 851 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.469 and the father in the in the story is also played by Jake Glenhall. 852 00:57:16.510 --> 00:57:22.190 Sou's basically pulling a double shift that the story world, that the real world's 853 00:57:22.469 --> 00:57:29.510 actually feels more sort of superficial than the story world, which feels really real 854 00:57:29.750 --> 00:57:34.300 and dangerous and grimy and lived in, and it's that part of the film 855 00:57:34.340 --> 00:57:38.219 that's really, really kind of magnetic. But again, it's just it's real. 856 00:57:38.300 --> 00:57:44.369 It's so downbeat that you really have to be you know, a's Kev 857 00:57:44.449 --> 00:57:46.369 said before. Now it's a great phrase use. It's appointment cinema, and 858 00:57:46.449 --> 00:57:51.809 I don't I don't see there being a point where I am going to really 859 00:57:51.969 --> 00:57:55.250 want to make an appointment to kind of sit down and put myself through that 860 00:57:55.289 --> 00:57:59.679 again. But I might just do it, you know, if I wanted 861 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:02.679 to watch it with somebody that I think might appreciate ate it and see their 862 00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:07.440 reaction to it. The it's odd that you say not turn on animals and 863 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:13.590 we hadn't discussed the movies that we'd picked, but the film that I'm going 864 00:58:13.630 --> 00:58:17.789 to kick off with gives me exactly the same feeling as not turnal animals. 865 00:58:17.829 --> 00:58:23.309 I I love not turnal animals. I don't own it, but that that 866 00:58:23.510 --> 00:58:28.780 scene that you're talking about stands out and Jack Jillen holes one of my favorite 867 00:58:28.820 --> 00:58:32.260 actors and I watching him, you know, in almost anything is captivating and 868 00:58:32.420 --> 00:58:36.500 so on, but I don't think I can go back to nocturnal animals, 869 00:58:36.940 --> 00:58:39.980 you know, because I don't think I can put myself through that feeling again. 870 00:58:40.530 --> 00:58:45.730 You know, because it works so well and that the first film that 871 00:58:45.969 --> 00:58:47.969 I had on my list was kill list. Now I don't know, Scott, 872 00:58:47.969 --> 00:58:52.650 if you've seen that this. I still haven't seen it and it and 873 00:58:52.730 --> 00:58:57.280 the reason I've not seen this is largely down to the reaction of you guys 874 00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.599 that it's one film that I am I really want to see and I just 875 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:05.880 can't put myself in the mindset to kind of set myself down. I yeah, 876 00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.869 I I'm quite a I'm caught a sort of mood driven movie watch. 877 00:59:10.989 --> 00:59:15.829 I think if I'm going to a cinema, that that feels like it kind 878 00:59:15.869 --> 00:59:19.429 of appointment and I will make myself go and see it if I am, 879 00:59:19.510 --> 00:59:23.860 if I have the choice at home. I tend to kind of shy away 880 00:59:23.900 --> 00:59:29.260 from those more difficult choices, which is really strange, but but yeah, 881 00:59:29.340 --> 00:59:32.500 I kill this is one that, you know, I like Ben waitless work. 882 00:59:32.579 --> 00:59:35.980 I really want to see it, but I just need to kind of 883 00:59:36.139 --> 00:59:39.090 I think been because steel myself read and weet is even said. I think 884 00:59:39.210 --> 00:59:42.929 that he would never make a film like kill this now. That was a 885 00:59:42.969 --> 00:59:45.530 kind of young man's movie, and I think that this is something that we've 886 00:59:45.530 --> 00:59:46.570 kind of addressed as well. Is, like Craig was saying, with the 887 00:59:46.570 --> 00:59:50.170 kind of you wouldn't go back and watch it now, and I think films 888 00:59:50.210 --> 00:59:52.530 like the couple of films that were on my this would be like recoim for 889 00:59:52.570 --> 00:59:55.679 a dream or gas bonot, is irreversible. There were films that I own 890 00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:59.239 a reverse why? I don't own reccoon for a dream, but it's that 891 00:59:59.320 --> 00:60:01.199 kind of thing where I bought them and I intended to watch them again. 892 00:60:01.239 --> 00:60:04.079 I have seen them again. I think I watched them, but the first 893 00:60:04.079 --> 00:60:06.559 time I saw them, or and then I watched them once. I bought 894 00:60:06.599 --> 00:60:09.989 them once. We're in the case of irreversable and it's that thing where I've 895 00:60:09.989 --> 00:60:13.909 seen it by never want to put myself through that again. I think irreversible, 896 00:60:14.710 --> 00:60:16.190 since maybe with reckon for a dream as well, with something that I 897 00:60:16.230 --> 00:60:20.469 wouldn't want to watch with somebody to see how they react, I think we've

898 00:60:20.550 --> 00:60:23.659 buried it's something that's exciting and fun almost because it's ever really host to ride, 899 00:60:23.659 --> 00:60:27.019 but some don't. With the reversible and probably to a lesser extent, 900 00:60:27.099 --> 00:60:30.340 nocturnal animals. Is something that I wouldn't watch with somebody because I don't want 901 00:60:30.380 --> 00:60:34.019 to be that. I like the conversations it might provoke, but I don't 902 00:60:34.059 --> 00:60:36.730 think I'd want to be there with them. Just a little thing about killed 903 00:60:36.730 --> 00:60:38.769 list as well. Cray just that whether when I saw kill this. I 904 00:60:38.809 --> 00:60:43.090 saw killed us for the first time during a preview, as a preview screening, 905 00:60:43.409 --> 00:60:45.809 and it was a really odd screening because it was not no one knew. 906 00:60:45.849 --> 00:60:50.239 Everyone News of new Ben Wheatny, but nobody knew about the content of 907 00:60:50.320 --> 00:60:52.079 it. Everything like that, and that's that's part of the surprise of it, 908 00:60:52.119 --> 00:60:53.880 I think. I think killed this is, as well as being absolutely, 909 00:60:54.360 --> 00:60:59.760 you know, horrific and terrifying in many ways it's also hilariously funny because 910 00:60:59.760 --> 00:61:02.400 of the chemistry that they've the two characters though, the Neil Maskell and Mike 911 00:61:02.440 --> 00:61:06.989 Smiley have got, works really well. And I went to see and I 912 00:61:07.030 --> 00:61:07.750 think I might have told you guys this, but I'll just put it for 913 00:61:07.789 --> 00:61:12.190 the podcast, is I went to see it. I think was at the 914 00:61:12.190 --> 00:61:15.150 Prince Child Cinema as a preview and it was the film followed with an introduction 915 00:61:15.230 --> 00:61:20.500 from Ben Wheatley, Neil Maskell and Mike Smiley and then a Qa after. 916 00:61:20.699 --> 00:61:22.739 And what they did was they came out, they introduced the film, Ben 917 00:61:22.780 --> 00:61:25.460 Wheatley introduced the film and said Hey, guys, will be back at the 918 00:61:25.500 --> 00:61:29.699 end to do a q and a about it, and then they left the 919 00:61:29.820 --> 00:61:34.250 cinema and we watched ninety minutes, two hours of kill us and what they 920 00:61:34.329 --> 00:61:37.969 must have done is they went obviously to the pub and then they'd obviously spent 921 00:61:38.050 --> 00:61:42.010 those ninety minutes, two hours sitting around talking, having a laugh, with 922 00:61:42.090 --> 00:61:45.449 the chemistry that they clearly had together. And then at the end of the 923 00:61:45.489 --> 00:61:47.000 film, and if you remember killed this, you remember there's no end credit 924 00:61:47.039 --> 00:61:52.960 music. It just goes silent and the credits roll right they walked in during 925 00:61:52.119 --> 00:61:58.039 the credit rolling in silence, after we'd just watched the climatic sequence which obviously, 926 00:61:58.079 --> 00:62:00.920 if anyone see killed this knows that it stays with you. And it 927 00:62:00.079 --> 00:62:05.110 was literally like we're all sitting there in silence, open mouthed, in shock, 928 00:62:05.309 --> 00:62:09.309 and they come in going why, let's do a few day and then 929 00:62:09.389 --> 00:62:13.469 we spent the Qa we've been with you, Mike Smiley, a Neil maskill 930 00:62:13.590 --> 00:62:16.539 sitting there or us all in shock and then all quite jovial and obviously maybe 931 00:62:16.579 --> 00:62:20.340 a little bit tipsy as well. And it was the weirdest Q Anda I 932 00:62:20.420 --> 00:62:22.940 think I've ever been to, but was probably in an odd way, I 933 00:62:23.099 --> 00:62:27.380 might have had some kind of like release that a lot of people it's a 934 00:62:27.460 --> 00:62:30.809 bit like the little shop of horrors, you know, little shop of horrors 935 00:62:30.809 --> 00:62:35.369 having its original Broadway ending, initially didn't work with test audiences and people were 936 00:62:35.409 --> 00:62:37.090 like why didn't that work? And I D Lee Release the theatrical cart with 937 00:62:37.210 --> 00:62:40.409 a different end into the the to the show. Why did they do that? 938 00:62:40.570 --> 00:62:45.000 Will it's because at the end of the show, little shop of far 939 00:62:45.199 --> 00:62:46.719 is, you get the you get the cast come out and take a bow 940 00:62:46.800 --> 00:62:50.159 and everyone gets their applause and it's like Oh, Great, oh, that's 941 00:62:50.199 --> 00:62:52.559 wonderful. You know what? Happy? That's actually happy ending because their actors. 942 00:62:52.639 --> 00:62:54.960 I can see that. You don't get that with film and I think 943 00:62:55.000 --> 00:62:58.119 what I got is I got a kind of like a release, because they 944 00:62:58.159 --> 00:63:00.429 came in laughing and joking about the production and what a great time that they'd 945 00:63:00.429 --> 00:63:04.030 had working together, and I think it had I've just watched the film, 946 00:63:04.070 --> 00:63:06.909 I think I probably would have gone to bed sort of shaking coming over my 947 00:63:06.989 --> 00:63:09.349 head that night. But I think in a weird way, even though Killiss 948 00:63:09.389 --> 00:63:12.789 is probably one of the most affecting films I've ever seen, I think I've 949 00:63:12.860 --> 00:63:15.099 fortunate enough to have a release that a lot of people, yourself included Craig, 950 00:63:15.099 --> 00:63:20.460 maybe never had. Yeah, APP it's the kill list as on. 951 00:63:20.659 --> 00:63:24.659 One thing that keeps working with kill list. It stays with me and I've 952 00:63:24.699 --> 00:63:30.210 been writing lists on instagram of like my favorite movies and someone and somebody said 953 00:63:30.369 --> 00:63:34.449 in my horror movies, you didn't put kill list because I was just writing 954 00:63:34.489 --> 00:63:40.289 a list of of export

movies that just affected me and kill list was definitely 955 00:63:40.329 --> 00:63:45.719 at the top of that. And one thing that makes kill list keep working 956 00:63:45.800 --> 00:63:50.599 in my head is that Neil maskill isn't it. It turns up in mostly 957 00:63:50.719 --> 00:63:55.550 sitcoms things that I've seen, and is a brilliant comic actor. So seeing 958 00:63:55.590 --> 00:64:00.869 him in that after kill list almost works to the advantage of the film. 959 00:64:00.909 --> 00:64:03.389 It's like it kind of messes my head. It's like two worlds. That 960 00:64:03.469 --> 00:64:11.059 shouldn't be shouldn't work together. So yeah, and it's and the irreversible was 961 00:64:11.059 --> 00:64:15.460 also on my list as well. I've I have seen that twice, kind 962 00:64:15.500 --> 00:64:19.420 of by accident. I watched it after Kevin I had spoken about it. 963 00:64:20.099 --> 00:64:26.210 I went off to see it and I then bought it and I went to 964 00:64:26.449 --> 00:64:30.650 an extreme cinema marathon, which was a twenty four hour movie marathon of extreme 965 00:64:30.730 --> 00:64:36.289 cinema, and I was I got four films in to be honest. So 966 00:64:36.530 --> 00:64:40.840 you know, that's around about eight hours of extreme cinema, which is enough 967 00:64:40.840 --> 00:64:45.440 for anybody. And irreversible the one that made me think, you know what, 968 00:64:45.000 --> 00:64:49.679 it's probably time to go home, Craig, you've had enough. So 969 00:64:49.800 --> 00:64:53.389 yeah, just to give you an idea of what I'd seen leading up to 970 00:64:53.469 --> 00:64:58.550 that, I'd seen Sarlow, I had seen Tetsuo, I'd seen a clockwork 971 00:64:58.590 --> 00:65:03.389 orange and then irreversible and I just could not go any further with that. 972 00:65:03.670 --> 00:65:09.260 So so yeah, that's that. Those were my list, but also buried. 973 00:65:09.780 --> 00:65:13.019 I want to go back and watch it again. In fact, I 974 00:65:13.300 --> 00:65:15.940 only saw it a little bit late to the party, after we'd all seen 975 00:65:16.059 --> 00:65:21.530 gravity and you'd said about that kind of Claustrophobia that buried gave you. So 976 00:65:23.090 --> 00:65:26.050 I do want to go back and watch it again, but I'll have to 977 00:65:26.250 --> 00:65:29.650 pick the right time. It will have to be appointment cinema, you know, 978 00:65:29.730 --> 00:65:32.650 when I'm in the right frame of mind and O I am, you 979 00:65:32.730 --> 00:65:38.760 know, not feeling so claustrophobic as perhaps coronavirus has made us all feel. 980 00:65:39.119 --> 00:65:41.519 Yeah, I would say. But I would say buried is a lot more 981 00:65:41.639 --> 00:65:44.079 fun than we because I know we're talking about it in the similar kind of 982 00:65:44.119 --> 00:65:46.400 like, you know, categories and putting it with like clockwork orangine, irreversible 983 00:65:46.440 --> 00:65:49.030 and recruit for dreaming, all that kind of stuff. Buried is fun. 984 00:65:49.190 --> 00:65:53.429 It's designed to be young is it's a roller coaster ride where you come out 985 00:65:53.429 --> 00:65:55.389 and you go that was great and, depending on what you think of the 986 00:65:55.429 --> 00:65:59.349 ending, I think for the most part you're enjoying it. It's exhilarating and 987 00:65:59.469 --> 00:66:01.909 fun, whereas I think here reserve her reversible is more of an endurance test 988 00:66:01.989 --> 00:66:06.539 to the point where I I don't think I would recommend it to anyone now, 989 00:66:06.860 --> 00:66:10.219 especially this day in age and the way things have gone on. I 990 00:66:10.340 --> 00:66:14.139 think the twenty five year old me thinking he was cool and going, yeah, 991 00:66:14.179 --> 00:66:15.179 man, I like this kind of like French new eat all that kind 992 00:66:15.219 --> 00:66:20.489 of I think now I wouldn't. I Will Never Watch your reversible again and 993 00:66:20.610 --> 00:66:24.170 I think that I doubt I will recommend it. I'll only speak about it 994 00:66:24.250 --> 00:66:27.170 with people who put and I think I've got a bit of the distance. 995 00:66:27.210 --> 00:66:30.130 I probably haven't seen it in fifteen years and I think I've got enough distance 996 00:66:30.170 --> 00:66:31.650 from it now that I can look back on it as something I'll never see 997 00:66:31.690 --> 00:66:34.840 again without it, hope you know, of affecting me and those sequence. 998 00:66:34.880 --> 00:66:38.760 Everyone went on to do great things and it was a very, very well 999 00:66:38.960 --> 00:66:42.559 made film, but bloody hell, it's hard, hard going, and I 1000 00:66:42.599 --> 00:66:45.519 don't think I'd want to put anyone through that. I recommended it to one 1001 00:66:45.599 --> 00:66:50.550 person and she just text to me after she'd watch the film, show it. 1002 00:66:50.869 --> 00:66:55.030 What have you done to me? So and we we're no longer in 1003 00:66:55.110 --> 00:67:00.510 contact. So, but I do still have I got the DVD back, 1004 00:67:00.630 --> 00:67:04.539 so that was the main thing. That's yeah, that's the king for you. 1005 00:67:04.659 --> 00:67:08.780 Probably never to watch again, of course. So, and I would 1006 00:67:08.780 --> 00:67:11.340 also say, to be honest, I would even say people listening to this 1007 00:67:11.420 --> 00:67:14.179 podcast, if you've never heard of irreversible. When you would look it up, 1008 00:67:14.219 --> 00:67:15.730 I would be very careful that even looking up at the content of it 1009 00:67:15.969 --> 00:67:18.730 could have actually be. I would put a trigger warning on that. Yeah, 1010 00:67:18.849 --> 00:67:23.489 big, big trigger warnings on the reverse will if you if you don't 1011 00:67:23.530 --> 00:67:26.570 know it. Yeah, it's not. It's not a film because, again, 1012 00:67:26.610 --> 00:67:29.690 because the reputation it would there was never an opportunity to kind of

watch 1013 00:67:29.690 --> 00:67:34.159 it when it first came out for me and it's something that I've I've kind 1014 00:67:34.199 --> 00:67:39.320 of heard and it sort of permeated my consciousness in that time and it's not 1015 00:67:39.440 --> 00:67:43.360 something that as as much as the reputation of the movie in terms of its 1016 00:67:43.400 --> 00:67:48.389 quality is apparently good, the the content if just yeah, I think they 1017 00:67:48.429 --> 00:67:50.630 would. There would be a lot of triggers there. I think it's sort 1018 00:67:50.630 --> 00:67:54.429 of the films like at the time, Baysmore came out as well, and 1019 00:67:54.550 --> 00:67:57.150 I think, obviously a Serbian film, which has got a hell of a 1020 00:67:57.190 --> 00:68:00.300 classification history, that these are kind of a horrific films. I think people 1021 00:68:00.300 --> 00:68:04.340 were more endured than enjoy and you probably want to give a wide berth in 1022 00:68:04.420 --> 00:68:08.579 Jeneah. Really, to be honest, that's it. That's it. I 1023 00:68:08.659 --> 00:68:11.460 think. I think you know, we're quite lighthearted with the way that we 1024 00:68:11.820 --> 00:68:15.130 approach these things. So it's mostly, you know, for me it's around 1025 00:68:15.210 --> 00:68:18.449 sort of fear and tension and that that kind of nightmare thing than that actual 1026 00:68:18.890 --> 00:68:24.810 films that I endure rather than enjoy. I think the last of the last 1027 00:68:24.890 --> 00:68:28.920 of my pics of mine. Again, this is one that I've sort of 1028 00:68:29.000 --> 00:68:31.079 a did in the last in the last couple of weeks. It's something that, 1029 00:68:31.640 --> 00:68:35.319 again, I own and I absolutely love it. As of him. 1030 00:68:35.359 --> 00:68:40.279 I adore it, I think. I think the way it works is is 1031 00:68:40.439 --> 00:68:45.069 so is so perfect. It's just it's eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. 1032 00:68:45.270 --> 00:68:48.510 Now there is a little bit of a sort of emotional backstory with this that, 1033 00:68:49.670 --> 00:68:54.029 you know, it's a hard film to kind of bring yourself to want 1034 00:68:54.029 --> 00:68:59.380 to watch because of because of how bitter sweet it is. Little bit confessional 1035 00:68:59.699 --> 00:69:04.140 for me now is that in the last six months I've been so I went 1036 00:69:04.260 --> 00:69:12.489 through a breakup and particularly in the last sort of three four months, the 1037 00:69:12.970 --> 00:69:15.810 break up was kind of hit me quite hard and then in the last couple 1038 00:69:15.850 --> 00:69:21.449 of weeks it's sort of got to a point where I have to I have 1039 00:69:21.609 --> 00:69:29.479 to let that go and it's weird because at the same time that there are 1040 00:69:29.680 --> 00:69:33.079 elements of that of the film that you almost feel like when you are at 1041 00:69:33.119 --> 00:69:40.029 your lowest, do, you're at your most pained, that you almost want 1042 00:69:40.189 --> 00:69:44.949 yourself yours, want for yourself to just forget it so you could move on 1043 00:69:45.069 --> 00:69:47.550 and you can move forward. And you get that. You get where the 1044 00:69:47.590 --> 00:69:53.220 Jim carry character comes from. At your lowest you just want it to stop. 1045 00:69:53.819 --> 00:69:57.420 I don't want to feel like this anymore, and that's a and that 1046 00:69:57.500 --> 00:70:00.659 that's you know, when you're going through that, to you know. I've 1047 00:70:00.899 --> 00:70:03.100 I've been through breakups before and it they were very, very difficult, they 1048 00:70:03.140 --> 00:70:06.609 were very hard and as a result I haven't really visited the film. And 1049 00:70:06.689 --> 00:70:12.930 now at the moment, the idea of and particularly the way modern relationships are, 1050 00:70:14.409 --> 00:70:19.930 is you almost undergo a little bit of that that erase your process in 1051 00:70:20.090 --> 00:70:25.239 your real life as you go through it. So you know, rather than 1052 00:70:25.560 --> 00:70:31.319 your memory being cleared of memories of this this person, you know you spend 1053 00:70:32.279 --> 00:70:40.109 time going through your photos and your videos and your social media and where that's 1054 00:70:40.149 --> 00:70:45.670 been together and and you work backwards from this point of pain where where you 1055 00:70:45.829 --> 00:70:49.819 start, the most recent pictures and the thing and and where the distances and 1056 00:70:49.939 --> 00:70:57.380 as you go further and further back, you make that realization that actually, 1057 00:70:58.140 --> 00:71:00.819 you know there was something, there was something beautiful, and it is worth 1058 00:71:01.500 --> 00:71:06.529 hanging on too. But I think you know the way that that I kind 1059 00:71:06.569 --> 00:71:09.569 of feel about these things and I think it will be a long, long 1060 00:71:09.609 --> 00:71:14.569 time before I want to put myself through watching that is I see so many 1061 00:71:14.609 --> 00:71:18.760 of these things that essentially I've gone through and I've I've with my phone, 1062 00:71:18.800 --> 00:71:27.640 I've raised the memory of this wonderful person and I've deleted messages and I've restricted 1063 00:71:27.840 --> 00:71:31.039 my ability to look at a social media and and to what intense of purposes 1064 00:71:31.869 --> 00:71:38.630 she is now being raised from my life. And that's that is bitter enough. 1065 00:71:39.149 --> 00:71:43.909 But you know, it's when you get to that point of wanting to 1066 00:71:44.109 --> 00:71:46.300 forget it all that actually, when you look back to those earlier days, 1067 00:71:46.340 --> 00:71:51.819 I didn't delete the photos. I move them to a safe place so they 1068 00:71:51.859 --> 00:71:57.899 are always there's those those memories don't go anywhere, but I don't have to 1069 00:71:58.060 --> 00:72:00.529 look at

them, I don't have to come across them and have that pain. 1070 00:72:00.649 --> 00:72:06.529 That when I'm feeling more together about everything, I can I can then 1071 00:72:06.569 --> 00:72:10.489 go and revisit that and I'm in a place where I can do that and 1072 00:72:10.529 --> 00:72:15.800 I just think with something with how effective that turn sunshine, the spotless mind 1073 00:72:15.960 --> 00:72:20.680 is, with doing that and in having that sort of bitter sweet, almost 1074 00:72:21.039 --> 00:72:29.399 hopeful ending, I just think the moment would absolutely ruin me. So so, 1075 00:72:29.520 --> 00:72:31.590 yeah, it's it's a really it's a really interesting one, but I 1076 00:72:31.710 --> 00:72:34.869 just say, you know, it's one of my all time favorite films, 1077 00:72:34.909 --> 00:72:41.149 but I just find it really, really hard to put myself in the mindset 1078 00:72:41.670 --> 00:72:46.340 of going through that because I've been through it before and at the moment it's 1079 00:72:46.420 --> 00:72:54.140 very, very raw and I'll find myself feeling like, feeling like it does, 1080 00:72:54.180 --> 00:72:58.300 about feel like jold does about clementine towards the end. You know, 1081 00:72:59.090 --> 00:73:00.409 if I spend too much time on that, I will start to get to 1082 00:73:00.489 --> 00:73:04.649 that point and it's not it's almost kind of not healthy to keep going over 1083 00:73:04.770 --> 00:73:09.529 that. Just be able to put it to one side. But but yeah, 1084 00:73:09.529 --> 00:73:13.039 I mean what a film, though, to be able to kind of 1085 00:73:13.079 --> 00:73:16.800 draw those emotions and that's and again it sort of links in a weird way 1086 00:73:16.880 --> 00:73:21.520 back to not turnal animals. That and this is one thing I am were 1087 00:73:21.520 --> 00:73:28.149 I love cinema so much. It is because a really great moment can draw 1088 00:73:28.909 --> 00:73:33.229 emotion out of you and can a turn a mirror on yourself and beat make 1089 00:73:33.470 --> 00:73:40.510 you feel things. So not turnal animals made me feel fear and and helplessness 1090 00:73:40.630 --> 00:73:45.300 on behalf of the family and anger and frustration, and that that was that 1091 00:73:45.539 --> 00:73:50.739 was kind of real as I was watching it. And an eternal sunshine. 1092 00:73:51.180 --> 00:74:00.489 It's it generates that sort of that that bitter sweet but also weirdly hopeful feeling 1093 00:74:00.729 --> 00:74:05.810 that that you know that you know love potentially could endure, and it's but 1094 00:74:05.890 --> 00:74:14.760 at the same time watching this relationship disintegrate in reverse. It's so effective that 1095 00:74:15.279 --> 00:74:18.479 that when it kind of hits that hits that point later in the film, 1096 00:74:19.000 --> 00:74:25.229 it just breaks your heart because it's so bright and cheerful, but you know 1097 00:74:25.470 --> 00:74:29.989 where it's going. And Yeah, that's just the magic of film, that 1098 00:74:30.069 --> 00:74:33.949 it can, that it can draw that Cathartic reaction out of you, even 1099 00:74:33.989 --> 00:74:36.670 when you don't necessarily want to put you put yourself in the way of watching 1100 00:74:36.670 --> 00:74:40.380 it again. So so yeah, so, yes, Scott, I mean 1101 00:74:40.500 --> 00:74:44.220 that's obviously that that kind of shows, I think that you were saying, 1102 00:74:44.260 --> 00:74:45.859 like the power of films and how they can work and everything. And Clearly 1103 00:74:45.939 --> 00:74:51.060 Eternal Sunshine of the spotless mind was written from that place, probably as a 1104 00:74:51.100 --> 00:74:55.289 catharsis of what he was going through at the moment. We seems to be 1105 00:74:55.329 --> 00:74:57.770 a very similar things what you might be he at the moment as well, 1106 00:74:58.010 --> 00:75:00.729 which shows that that kind of thing, because you wouldn't get someone just pulling 1107 00:75:00.810 --> 00:75:03.289 that out of thin air and this had actually kind of gone through that as 1108 00:75:03.329 --> 00:75:05.689 well and probably thought those things and it was well ahead of its tire. 1109 00:75:06.050 --> 00:75:10.119 Yeah, really good, really good, kind of like a way of looking 1110 00:75:10.119 --> 00:75:14.000 at it. Yeah, definitely, and it's so, so stutent, so, 1111 00:75:14.359 --> 00:75:18.079 you know, so truthful in the the feeling of it and the emotion 1112 00:75:18.199 --> 00:75:23.109 of it. So so yeah, so, for for you guys listening, 1113 00:75:23.189 --> 00:75:27.710 that's a rare moment of sort of emotion and, as I say, Catharsis 1114 00:75:27.789 --> 00:75:31.750 for us here. But you know that that's the beauty in the old encompassing 1115 00:75:31.789 --> 00:75:35.100 nature of film is that we can we could talk about it as entertainment and 1116 00:75:35.140 --> 00:75:40.060 we could talk about it as having that that deeper, stronger meaning to us. 1117 00:75:40.220 --> 00:75:43.380 And again, I think I think we'd all agree that. You know, 1118 00:75:43.460 --> 00:75:46.539 potentially, as we go down this this this rabbit warry. We could, 1119 00:75:46.699 --> 00:75:50.369 we could find other films that we would that we would discussed, but 1120 00:75:50.529 --> 00:75:54.729 sound off on our social media, which will give you the and if there 1121 00:75:54.770 --> 00:75:59.689 are films that you particularly love that you don't think you could approach again for 1122 00:75:59.930 --> 00:76:03.090 whatever reason, whether it is, you know, from a phobia, from 1123 00:76:03.130 --> 00:76:06.760 from an emotional point of view, all that it just, you know, 1124 00:76:08.000 --> 00:76:13.359 scarred you for life. But jads, thanks for that. I really enjoyed 1125 00:76:13.399 --> 00:76:16.000 that and, in a weird way, kind of needed it. So thank 1126 00:76:16.000 --> 00:76:23.510 you. Now we've now we've got

all emotional. Shall we effectively defecate all 1127 00:76:23.670 --> 00:76:27.430 over that and go for a bit of a pitch battle? Yeah, the 1128 00:76:27.510 --> 00:76:30.310 devil not. Let's go. Okay, so let's give it it's proper introduction. 1129 00:76:30.710 --> 00:76:44.340 Gentlemen, are you ready for this week's pay bad? So we're running 1130 00:76:44.500 --> 00:76:47.250 quite close to the end of this, this first kind of run of pitch 1131 00:76:47.329 --> 00:76:51.369 battles, because we're gonna freshen things up in the next few weeks. We're 1132 00:76:51.409 --> 00:76:56.569 gonna have a bit of a review and different, different features. So we've 1133 00:76:56.609 --> 00:77:00.090 got to mix it up keep it interested for you. But we will be 1134 00:77:00.210 --> 00:77:04.520 bringing pitch battle back again in the future once everybody's nerves have repaired. If 1135 00:77:04.600 --> 00:77:10.079 you've not heard the podcast before and Are Unfamiliar With Pitch Battle, the concept 1136 00:77:10.159 --> 00:77:14.640 is really simple. Basically, we are given three things. It's an actor, 1137 00:77:14.680 --> 00:77:19.189 an item and a genre. What we do is essentially right our own 1138 00:77:19.350 --> 00:77:24.229 pitch which we present in the form of a picture or a trailer or a 1139 00:77:24.550 --> 00:77:27.789 sound and mood board, a sort of Kevin's have been in the past, 1140 00:77:29.989 --> 00:77:35.100 and essentially we kind of square off against each other and decide between the between 1141 00:77:35.140 --> 00:77:38.859 ourselves, who we think the winner is and hand it over to you to 1142 00:77:39.020 --> 00:77:45.250 tell us who you think particularly one of that pitch battle. So we're quite 1143 00:77:45.289 --> 00:77:49.449 honored this time out because the person who has contributed our pitch battle items is 1144 00:77:49.890 --> 00:77:57.609 none other than the writer of wilderness that we reviewed in our last podcast, 1145 00:77:57.810 --> 00:78:00.439 which, if you've not seen it, it's available to rent now. Both 1146 00:78:00.439 --> 00:78:04.840 Kevin and Craig have both seen it and gave it absolutely sparkling reviews and I 1147 00:78:05.199 --> 00:78:09.760 can't wait till I'm kind of in a place where I can I can kind 1148 00:78:09.760 --> 00:78:15.390 of watch it. So Dr Neil Fox himself, not that one, he 1149 00:78:15.590 --> 00:78:18.310 has given us these three following items. Gentlemen, do you have your pens 1150 00:78:18.350 --> 00:78:26.470 ready doing really? Okay. So actor is the beautiful, luminous and brilliant 1151 00:78:26.510 --> 00:78:34.539 Amy Adams. The item is a goat and as genre, once again it's 1152 00:78:34.579 --> 00:78:43.050 come rand again already. It's our western. So we now have five minutes 1153 00:78:43.569 --> 00:78:46.210 to write our pitches, but for you fair people, we will be back 1154 00:78:46.850 --> 00:78:55.090 in just a minute. Pens, pencils in, implements, quills down, 1155 00:78:55.409 --> 00:79:01.640 gentlemen. So how did you find that one? Yeah, yes, I 1156 00:79:01.800 --> 00:79:09.399 found it. You found it on your page. So before we before we 1157 00:79:09.520 --> 00:79:12.909 came back on the air, we decided in the most scientific way of going, 1158 00:79:13.630 --> 00:79:16.189 I'll go first, I'll go second, I'll go third. So we've 1159 00:79:16.189 --> 00:79:19.829 decided our order. So it's going to be myself, Craig, as the 1160 00:79:19.989 --> 00:79:25.260 man Sandwich in the middle, and care as the crossed on the end. 1161 00:79:26.300 --> 00:79:34.020 Okay, so I will present my pitch first. So presenting his very own 1162 00:79:34.699 --> 00:79:41.729 Amy Adams starring goat featuring Western, it's Mr Scott Harrison, Aka myself. 1163 00:79:42.529 --> 00:79:46.689 After husband was killed in the civil war attempting to return his GIRAFFE COMPANION, 1164 00:79:47.489 --> 00:79:53.479 Mary I'll decided to uproot her family of five children and drive their heard of 1165 00:79:53.520 --> 00:79:58.239 a hundred goats across country to start a new life. Can she protect her 1166 00:79:58.279 --> 00:80:03.399 family and their livelihood on this perilous journey? Variety called it a sweeping, 1167 00:80:03.439 --> 00:80:09.310 epic empire. Said, finally, the film that will score Amy Adams, 1168 00:80:09.350 --> 00:80:14.989 her Oscar, the sun, said they milked it a bit. Amy Adams 1169 00:80:15.750 --> 00:80:21.500 in go west. Hey, good, very good, Verdigar, say, 1170 00:80:21.539 --> 00:80:28.260 I'm attempting to start a a pitch battle cinematic universe now, like a previous 1171 00:80:28.340 --> 00:80:32.060 pitch buckling. There's this is a pretty, pretty good britiant mostly I did. 1172 00:80:32.539 --> 00:80:39.649 Thank you. I wanted to get the fabish at egg and Clart Eastwood 1173 00:80:39.649 --> 00:80:44.529 in there somewhere, but I just yeah, I couldn't crack it. Very 1174 00:80:44.609 --> 00:80:47.409 good. Thank you. Thank you. The puns still cut. They come 1175 00:80:47.449 --> 00:80:54.479 in thick and fast a stick. I'm fast. I was going to leave 1176 00:80:54.520 --> 00:80:59.359 it for you to say. Yeah, okay, so to go. Second 1177 00:80:59.680 --> 00:81:04.430 it's Mr Craig Wood failed with his Amy Adams starring goat, featuring Western. 1178 00:81:06.149 --> 00:81:12.989 In a time when men rode the trails and kept the law, one woman 1179 00:81:13.109 --> 00:81:18.939 stood alone. Strong, fierce and defiant. She tended her goat. Heard 1180 00:81:19.020 --> 00:81:27.699 of forty. That will become relevant later on. Alone rustlers would disswapt her 1181 00:81:27.819 --> 00:81:31.380 world. She would have to cross the plans of America for her goats, 1182 00:81:32.090 --> 00:81:40.850 accompanied by the one goat that remained billy this summer. Amy Adams Stars in 1183 00:81:41.409 --> 00:81:56.039 the UNFO goten. Oh that's that's a I epic

pun gymnastics. When speaking 1184 00:81:56.159 --> 00:81:58.720 to you, you know, you say start with a pun, so that's 1185 00:81:58.760 --> 00:82:02.989 what I started with. And and what backwards from this brilliant, brilliant. 1186 00:82:03.550 --> 00:82:05.390 I don't. Yeah, I don't know if I got the puns, but 1187 00:82:05.390 --> 00:82:13.270 I don't know. To see it's so finally presenting here is Amy Adam starring 1188 00:82:13.630 --> 00:82:21.180 goat, featuring Western it's Mr Kevin Hainey, rob are. Amy Adams is 1189 00:82:21.340 --> 00:82:27.500 making a mark, or marking a man's world. Who is that girl? 1190 00:82:28.220 --> 00:82:31.569 Wow, she'd the fastest gun in the West, don't you know, not 1191 00:82:31.810 --> 00:82:36.729 only the fastest going in the West, but the fastest in Ano, south 1192 00:82:36.970 --> 00:82:44.010 and east, to he he he. Hi, boys, it's time, 1193 00:82:44.520 --> 00:82:49.720 it's high noon and I'm here to take the West back. Shit. Why 1194 00:82:49.880 --> 00:82:57.359 this girl could be described as the greatest of all time. Amy Adams is 1195 00:82:57.880 --> 00:83:05.829 geoaight, starring gene happened as a voice of the guy? Brilliant. There 1196 00:83:05.909 --> 00:83:10.069 we go. So brilliant. Technically, not a not not an actual goat 1197 00:83:10.109 --> 00:83:12.229 in there. But I was thinking because initially I was like what, Gene 1198 00:83:12.270 --> 00:83:15.619 Hatton's always in decent Western's and I know he might come out of retirements do 1199 00:83:15.739 --> 00:83:17.779 the voice of a goat. Yeah, but then I just felt the greatest 1200 00:83:17.819 --> 00:83:24.300 of all time. Yeah, Hey, guy's a brilliant, brilliant. So. 1201 00:83:24.539 --> 00:83:28.010 So, we will give you our social media accounts at the end. 1202 00:83:28.289 --> 00:83:30.850 Sound off on those and let us know what you thought of this episode's Pitch 1203 00:83:30.970 --> 00:83:38.210 Battle, which brings us neatly to our tracks of the trade spotify playlists. 1204 00:83:38.329 --> 00:83:43.720 So, for those uninitiated, the tracks of the trade spotify playlist is basically 1205 00:83:43.720 --> 00:83:49.359 a steadily growing list of movie school music that we all love. What we 1206 00:83:49.439 --> 00:83:53.960 do is we pick a choice each and if it's on spotify, of course, 1207 00:83:54.000 --> 00:83:57.270 because see it's a it's a playlist on there, we add it to 1208 00:83:57.350 --> 00:84:01.789 the playlist and we're attempting to build up a large and eclectic mix of different 1209 00:84:02.510 --> 00:84:08.310 styles and sounds from the movies that hopefully you'll find something that you love. 1210 00:84:08.510 --> 00:84:12.819 So we have a real range and I think you know we're get everything from 1211 00:84:12.859 --> 00:84:16.699 sort of since to Chris is got quite a sort of a jazzy jazz style 1212 00:84:16.779 --> 00:84:23.060 and preference to here I'd like it. I like

an epic Craig as thrown 1213 00:84:23.140 --> 00:84:26.250 in a few great electronic tracks as well, and you know, between us 1214 00:84:26.250 --> 00:84:30.729 all we're creating something I think that's quite beautiful and it's to share with you. 1215 00:84:30.250 --> 00:84:34.449 We will share the links to the spotify playlist at the end and on 1216 00:84:34.609 --> 00:84:40.600 our social media, particularly on our episode notes. But in the meantime what 1217 00:84:40.680 --> 00:84:44.279 we'll do is we'll start with Craig and we'll go through each of our choices 1218 00:84:44.479 --> 00:84:48.359 for this episode's tracks of the train. So I have kind of stuck with 1219 00:84:48.520 --> 00:84:54.390 the electronic theme and I thought it was time that I went to my favorite 1220 00:84:54.390 --> 00:84:58.189 film of all time, which is fight club. Now I kind of have 1221 00:84:58.310 --> 00:85:00.869 an issue saying that it's my favorite film because a lot of people jump on 1222 00:85:00.989 --> 00:85:05.949 the bandwagon and anybody that knows me, I tend to not like bandwagon and 1223 00:85:08.340 --> 00:85:11.699 that that that rubs me up the wrong way. So some people, when 1224 00:85:11.739 --> 00:85:14.939 I tell them fight club is my favorite film, they do that whole really 1225 00:85:15.460 --> 00:85:19.979 and they give me a look with their that that angers me. But anyway, 1226 00:85:20.649 --> 00:85:27.850 the dust brothers did the soundtrack to fight club and the track that I've 1227 00:85:27.890 --> 00:85:31.130 gone for is, who is Tyler Durdon. I'm sure that most of you 1228 00:85:31.289 --> 00:85:34.329 know who tyler Dirdon is, but if you do, just, you know, 1229 00:85:34.449 --> 00:85:38.520 keep it on the download on social media. But that's my choice. 1230 00:85:38.560 --> 00:85:44.439 It's not talk about it really excited. So I'm going to go up next 1231 00:85:44.560 --> 00:85:48.439 and I have I've picked a film. That's that's we have a link with 1232 00:85:48.560 --> 00:85:55.310 this piece of Music Because Junky Xcel, Aka Tom Holkenberg, he wrote and 1233 00:85:55.470 --> 00:85:59.630 composed the score for Godzilla boss come, which were reviewed earlier. So what 1234 00:85:59.710 --> 00:86:02.189 I've done is trying to link it in and I've picked one of the tracks 1235 00:86:02.510 --> 00:86:08.300 from a different one of his movie scores and I've gone for the Brilliant Mad 1236 00:86:08.500 --> 00:86:13.420 Max Fury Road and the track that I've I've picked is called brothers in arms 1237 00:86:13.979 --> 00:86:18.130 and it's the secret to the film towards the end with big chase through a 1238 00:86:18.289 --> 00:86:25.090 canyon and yeah, it's just a really sort of intense, rousing piece of 1239 00:86:25.170 --> 00:86:28.890 music. It's again I'm it's going for the epic. I Love Things, 1240 00:86:29.409 --> 00:86:32.800 particularly movie school music, that gets the blood pumping and you know, sounds, 1241 00:86:33.279 --> 00:86:40.239 sounds big and sounds like it should underscore something spectacular, and that's exactly 1242 00:86:40.279 --> 00:86:44.399 what brothers in arms is. It's a great piece of music and I you 1243 00:86:44.479 --> 00:86:45.760 know, I think I think we might see John Ki X. I'll turn 1244 00:86:45.800 --> 00:86:50.869 it up in a future tracks of the trade. Kev. What's yours? 1245 00:86:53.029 --> 00:86:55.789 Well, my one comes from one of my favorite Westerns of recently. Is 1246 00:86:55.789 --> 00:87:00.909 it's the assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford. A wonderful soundtrack 1247 00:87:00.029 --> 00:87:03.220 by Nick Cave and Warren Ellis. This is nice and simple track, one 1248 00:87:03.699 --> 00:87:08.659 rather lovely thing and lovely piece of music and in fact the album I would 1249 00:87:08.699 --> 00:87:11.659 recommend you picking up anyway, or just put it on on spotify and just 1250 00:87:11.819 --> 00:87:14.260 listen over it will show you. It's a lovely kind of like. Sit 1251 00:87:14.340 --> 00:87:16.130 there, read a book with a glass of Red Wine and listen to the 1252 00:87:16.210 --> 00:87:21.729 music of Nick Cava Warren Ellis. The assassination of Jesse J but the coward 1253 00:87:23.130 --> 00:87:25.810 Robert Ford lives. And Gentlemen, there we go. I'd hardly recommend that. 1254 00:87:25.850 --> 00:87:30.039 It's as Nice as the sounding and soothing as my voice was just I 1255 00:87:30.199 --> 00:87:33.880 feel more relaxed now. A big hello to all you truckers out there. 1256 00:87:38.479 --> 00:87:41.720 Awesome. So I will add those tracks to the playlist. They will be 1257 00:87:41.960 --> 00:87:46.630 available as the podcast launches. So you'll be able to pick those and all 1258 00:87:46.670 --> 00:87:50.149 of the other tracks that we've added to tracks of the trade very, very 1259 00:87:50.229 --> 00:87:57.510 soon, which brings us neatly to the end of our eighteen monkey see monkey 1260 00:87:57.550 --> 00:88:01.100 review podcast. Yes, Eighteen, so I'm adults. We have, we 1261 00:88:01.220 --> 00:88:06.619 are now. The podcast is now legally allowed to drink and vote, so 1262 00:88:08.899 --> 00:88:12.859 I'm spend, smoke, yes, and play the lottery. So so, 1263 00:88:13.010 --> 00:88:15.890 yeah, so it will. From next week we're going to be drunk with 1264 00:88:16.050 --> 00:88:24.689 a fag on gambling and voting or something. I don't know. I've completely 1265 00:88:24.850 --> 00:88:31.680 I've completely lost this. They said. It's not easy trying to think of 1266 00:88:31.840 --> 00:88:44.430 interesting things to say. I'm leaving this in. I always, I always 1267 00:88:44.470 --> 00:88:47.909 love it when we lose it's so to bring us to the end of this 1268 00:88:47.989 --> 00:88:54.869 this monumental episode, I got to ask a few things off you for listeners. 1269 00:88:55.270 --> 00:88:58.420 Firstly, as the thing we always ask

and if you can do it 1270 00:88:58.619 --> 00:89:02.659 would be you know, mean the world to us if your podcast provider, 1271 00:89:02.979 --> 00:89:10.529 particularly podchaser or apple podcasts, if they offer the opportunity to leave reviews, 1272 00:89:11.250 --> 00:89:15.649 honestly leaving a positive review for us, even though you know we go off 1273 00:89:15.689 --> 00:89:20.130 on random, random flights of fantasy and tangents. If you enjoy that, 1274 00:89:20.210 --> 00:89:25.079 if it makes you laugh or you just like us, please you leave us 1275 00:89:25.079 --> 00:89:29.560 a positive review. It does help us become more visible and means more people 1276 00:89:29.600 --> 00:89:32.439 get to listen to us. So it's you know, it's really something awesome 1277 00:89:32.560 --> 00:89:35.960 that you can do for us. In addition, if you are enjoying the 1278 00:89:36.039 --> 00:89:42.069 monkey see monkey review podcast and you know somebody that likes films or just likes 1279 00:89:42.350 --> 00:89:45.909 a bit of a bit of fun talking about films, recommend them the podcast 1280 00:89:46.069 --> 00:89:48.350 because we'd love to. Would love to have them on board as well. 1281 00:89:49.149 --> 00:89:53.899 In addition, we have various social media for you to get involved with. 1282 00:89:54.340 --> 00:89:59.500 What I do every episode is I add links to each of our social media 1283 00:89:59.539 --> 00:90:02.140 or where I can't add links, then I will add the search terms for 1284 00:90:02.300 --> 00:90:05.739 them. We have a an instagram, which is probably the most active thing 1285 00:90:05.779 --> 00:90:10.930 we're on at the moment, which is monkey see, monkey review. We 1286 00:90:11.050 --> 00:90:15.050 also have twitter, which is at Ms Mr Pod. We are on facebook 1287 00:90:15.489 --> 00:90:18.850 the Monkey See Monkey Review Group. If you search for that you'll be able 1288 00:90:18.890 --> 00:90:21.640 to track it down. Otherwise, followed the link on the episode notes. 1289 00:90:23.119 --> 00:90:28.119 Both me and Kev log our films and wrote reviews every now and again on 1290 00:90:28.399 --> 00:90:30.600 letterboxed so you can see what we're watching, see what we're thinking of it. 1291 00:90:31.640 --> 00:90:36.149 We will leave links for both of let's boxed on the the show notes 1292 00:90:36.149 --> 00:90:40.310 as well, and if you're of a mind to drop us an email, 1293 00:90:40.510 --> 00:90:46.430 we are at ms Mr Pod at gmailcom at. That just about ups that 1294 00:90:46.510 --> 00:90:48.989 bit up. As I say, don't worry about writing it down. Will 1295 00:90:48.989 --> 00:90:51.340 write it all down for you on the episode notes. You just have to 1296 00:90:51.380 --> 00:90:57.020 scroll down and look. So that brings us to the end of another monkey 1297 00:90:57.020 --> 00:91:00.220 see monkey review podcast once again. You know, we've made it to eighteen 1298 00:91:01.060 --> 00:91:05.289 and I'm just, yeah, delighted to be able to keep doing this, 1299 00:91:05.329 --> 00:91:10.569 keep having fun and you know, it's it's kind of real therapy for me 1300 00:91:10.609 --> 00:91:13.850 at the moment as well, as you probably won't be surprised from what we 1301 00:91:13.930 --> 00:91:16.010 discussed earlier. So, yeah, I love doing this. It gives it 1302 00:91:16.529 --> 00:91:20.079 gives me a real bus to to do it and to be able to talk 1303 00:91:20.199 --> 00:91:24.560 to three of my closest friends. I know Chris isn't here today, but 1304 00:91:24.680 --> 00:91:29.800 he's still included in that. So yeah, please come back and join us 1305 00:91:29.800 --> 00:91:31.989 again. I get involved. If you want to let us know about a 1306 00:91:32.189 --> 00:91:35.630 tracks of the trade that you want have added or any ideas for future features 1307 00:91:35.710 --> 00:91:40.869 or future pitch battles. And I just want to say thank you to Calvin 1308 00:91:40.909 --> 00:91:45.550 Craig, because you are, as I said earlier, the guys behind the 1309 00:91:45.590 --> 00:91:50.899 guys behind the guy. So yeah, now you're both awesome and your input, 1310 00:91:50.939 --> 00:91:55.819 as always, a bloody love it. So thank you me, thanks 1311 00:91:55.859 --> 00:91:58.500 having us, man, I thank you very much. I I love doing 1312 00:91:58.539 --> 00:92:01.170 it every single time. FAB We will, we will stop this loving at 1313 00:92:01.170 --> 00:92:03.689 the end of the episode, once by a time, but just at the 1314 00:92:03.729 --> 00:92:05.890 moment, while we still got the buzz, we're going to carry on. 1315 00:92:06.649 --> 00:92:10.409 So that brings us to the very end, and all that remains for me 1316 00:92:10.489 --> 00:92:15.119 to do is to say goodbye. Goodbye Jurio, by cheers.