บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Episode 15: Flash/Dance

rather good. I've got I've still I'm 30 00:02:15.460 --> 00:02:22.180 still updating my rolling to watch list on the DVD's, although this week I 31 00:02:22.340 --> 00:02:25.419 am going to be taken a punt on Sean Penn's into the wild. I 32 00:02:25.860 --> 00:02:30.289 had it recommended to me. So I'll report back at the next episode and 33 00:02:30.409 --> 00:02:34.009 tell you what I think of that. Star in a mill hirsh. I've 34 00:02:34.050 --> 00:02:37.650 heard excellent things about it. So hopefully sometime in the next couple of weeks 35 00:02:37.889 --> 00:02:42.050 that will be on my radar. I'm also looking forward to getting back and 36 00:02:42.090 --> 00:02:46.879 checking out CICARIO too, because I remember seeing at the cinema but it's been 37 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.159 so long since I watched it and I rewatch the first which is just an 38 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:54.439 absolutely cracking film, and so I'm looking forward to going back to enjoy a 39 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:59.069 bit of being showed Altarro and better Josh Brolin. So well, looking forward 40 00:02:59.069 --> 00:03:01.469 to that. How about your course? I've been I mean it's nice having 41 00:03:01.830 --> 00:03:07.189 something again. We talked about last time with one division when we chast about 42 00:03:07.229 --> 00:03:09.590 that. It's nice having something every week to sort of come back to you. 43 00:03:09.710 --> 00:03:14.300 So I'm I'm in yes, Falcon and Zventer, a sort of Joe, 44 00:03:14.780 --> 00:03:21.060 and also I've just started, it's only three episodes. I've just started 45 00:03:21.180 --> 00:03:25.939 David Tennants des on. That was on a TV. When I finish that 46 00:03:27.020 --> 00:03:29.650 I will tell you why I think as well smashing a how you find in 47 00:03:29.969 --> 00:03:31.530 Falcon in the wind, soldier so enjoying it. I mean it's got the 48 00:03:31.770 --> 00:03:38.050 sort of slow build up, knowing that it's only six episodes. I'm curious 49 00:03:38.129 --> 00:03:40.919 to see when the pace picks up. But you know, we've been introduced 50 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.560 to pretty much the main people. Now there's still are still a guess spot 51 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.680 that we haven't been introduced to yet and trying to figure out where she lies 52 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.039 in the cannon of the of the works. So we'll see. I mean, 53 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:58.030 they couldn't very easily if I put it sort of together as a film, 54 00:03:58.069 --> 00:04:01.469 because if you compact all of those episodes together, it would have kind 55 00:04:01.509 --> 00:04:05.430 of made up to like a for our running time and only a complete for 56 00:04:05.629 --> 00:04:13.099 would like create a four hour superhero movie. So would do? Who would 57 00:04:13.099 --> 00:04:17.980 do such a thing? As almost as if we might be foreshadowing something to 58 00:04:18.259 --> 00:04:23.779 talking about later. You say

we're like the movies we enjoy better for shadow. 59 00:04:23.819 --> 00:04:27.170 It's almost like we're seeing into the yes, we're running so fast that 60 00:04:27.290 --> 00:04:30.050 we we get to nightmare health scape that we can see ahead of it. 61 00:04:30.410 --> 00:04:33.569 I've also managed to catch up on a couple of a couple of other films 62 00:04:33.769 --> 00:04:36.689 that I've not seen for a while and wanted to catch up on, and 63 00:04:36.769 --> 00:04:42.079 again, there's a little bit of a Justice League Link, particularly with one 64 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:45.839 of them, as I re watched Mad Max fury road at the weekend and 65 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.160 I mean what official treat that is. Your link there is Tom Holkenberg, 66 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:56.709 Aka Junkie Xcel, who provided the scores for both films and actually, yeah, 67 00:04:56.790 --> 00:05:01.269 the score for fury roads absolutely fabulous stuff. And yet I'll pick it 68 00:05:01.310 --> 00:05:04.269 up when we talk about Justice League. But yes, I was. I 69 00:05:04.430 --> 00:05:09.699 was a fan of the score of Justice League as well. So, yeah, 70 00:05:10.259 --> 00:05:13.699 look forward to talking about that towards the end of the episode. So, 71 00:05:13.899 --> 00:05:16.540 gentlemen, seeing as though we're here to talk about movies, should we 72 00:05:16.540 --> 00:05:19.139 talk about movies? Let's do that. So yeah, and we might as 73 00:05:19.180 --> 00:05:21.689 well while we're here, exit. So let's catch up on some of the 74 00:05:21.730 --> 00:05:26.490 newer releases that would have been watching over the last couple of weeks since we 75 00:05:26.569 --> 00:05:30.689 last spoke to you. So the first of our four movies that were going 76 00:05:30.689 --> 00:05:34.689 to be reviewing this week is escape from Praetoria, directed by Frances San Ann 77 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:40.560 and the story is based around a South Africa in one thousand nine hundred and 78 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.279 seventy eight. It's the true life tell of Tim Jenkin and Stephen Lee, 79 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:48.480 to white political activists from the ANC who are a print imprisoned by the apartheid 80 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:56.870 regime and plot to escape from the Praetoria prison and regain their freedom. So 81 00:05:56.949 --> 00:06:02.589 it's starring Daniel Radcliffe and Daniel Webber and Ian Heart Mark Load Winter, and 82 00:06:02.670 --> 00:06:06.100 it's something that both me and Craig watched. Craig, how did you find 83 00:06:06.139 --> 00:06:11.699 it, mate, well, first of all, I knew nothing about the 84 00:06:11.779 --> 00:06:16.540 story, I knew nothing about the book that had come before this and I 85 00:06:17.259 --> 00:06:20.810 thoroughly enjoyed it. It did exactly what it was supposed to do, which 86 00:06:20.930 --> 00:06:26.610 was was to keep did I think it was perfect? No, but did 87 00:06:27.129 --> 00:06:30.850 did it

do its job? It was tense, by goodness. There were 88 00:06:30.009 --> 00:06:34.519 moments where you know, your heart was right up in your mouth not knowing 89 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:41.879 how this situation was going to work out, and it was. It was 90 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:45.399 bleak, but it was fun, it was lighthearted, there was humor in 91 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.670 there, but that there was paid us that there was everything that you needed 92 00:06:48.110 --> 00:06:51.110 and it's one of the few films that I wish had gone on maybe ten 93 00:06:51.149 --> 00:06:54.949 minutes a longer. I think there was ten minutes that you could have had 94 00:06:55.029 --> 00:06:59.430 maybe at the beginning of the film you jump into what he's going to prison 95 00:06:59.509 --> 00:07:03.420 for very early on and I maybe you have liked a little bit more beforehand. 96 00:07:03.660 --> 00:07:05.540 Definitely I agree with you on that one. A little bit more to 97 00:07:05.660 --> 00:07:12.699 kind of established like Tim and Stevens characters in their place within the the ANC 98 00:07:12.899 --> 00:07:17.970 movement certainly would have helped the film. I'm in full agreement with with you 99 00:07:18.129 --> 00:07:23.129 on that one. That I thought it was a really effective, really tense 100 00:07:23.209 --> 00:07:29.410 rid some great great monts of that tensions, of Great Camera Wor it's really 101 00:07:29.410 --> 00:07:33.800 nice little visual flourishes in there and it was actually not as I notice, 102 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:38.480 it was quite bleak and I think some of the some of the treatment of 103 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:44.350 the prisoners wasn't pleasant. But I thought it almost could have gone even further. 104 00:07:44.430 --> 00:07:46.750 I do not that he needed to go further than it did, but 105 00:07:46.870 --> 00:07:51.350 I felt, with the subject matter and with it dealing with quite a an 106 00:07:51.430 --> 00:07:57.149 important historic time, that actually what they did was they focused purely on the 107 00:07:58.310 --> 00:08:03.180 you know, it's a prison escape movie and they didn't spend an awful lot 108 00:08:03.259 --> 00:08:07.660 of time kind of digging into the politics of it and I was surprised that 109 00:08:07.779 --> 00:08:11.300 they made that choice. But I actually thought in terms of a film delivering 110 00:08:11.339 --> 00:08:15.970 its piece of entertainment. I thought it was really effective in that way. 111 00:08:16.250 --> 00:08:22.850 Again, great before it's I think Daniel Radcliffe. Since finishing that Harry Potter 112 00:08:22.930 --> 00:08:26.360 Sarcle, I think he's always picked interesting, smaller movies. He has that 113 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:31.639 ability to just go and pick the films that he finds interesting. Has No 114 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.360 the real need particularly to go and sort of chased the big movie star roles. 115 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.470 He

picks things that he finds interesting and I thought he gave good South 116 00:08:41.509 --> 00:08:46.590 Africa accent. I thought it was well played all around the cast. I 117 00:08:46.669 --> 00:08:52.870 thought it was quite nice that professor coral being nice to Harry for once, 118 00:08:52.990 --> 00:08:56.700 with with him in heart as always, always kind of the father figure of 119 00:08:56.740 --> 00:09:00.700 the prison. But yeah, it's some of those some of those moments of 120 00:09:00.820 --> 00:09:05.700 tension. Like you say, they established the stakes quite early on for what 121 00:09:05.860 --> 00:09:09.980 it could mean to to the prisoners to get caught. So these moments of 122 00:09:09.169 --> 00:09:13.610 tension and the moments that you know that they write that looks a certain very 123 00:09:13.649 --> 00:09:20.370 much. Yeah, yeah, in some moments and the tension that they generate 124 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.480 is it's so, so well done. Yeah, absolutely, and the thing 125 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.240 that I really enjoyed was that they made this a formidable place to be. 126 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:35.399 Obviously in prison in Pretoria, but in and their lives were very much at 127 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.990 stake with the guy up the top and so one. But they didn't. 128 00:09:39.389 --> 00:09:43.309 The guards were human. They weren't sort of evil henchmen. You know that 129 00:09:43.750 --> 00:09:46.590 there. They weren't likable by any stretching imagination, but they weren't made to 130 00:09:46.669 --> 00:09:50.950 be these you know people that that loathed everybody you know, and it's I 131 00:09:52.070 --> 00:09:56.100 quite like that and it's yeah, sir. But then on the flip side, 132 00:09:56.139 --> 00:10:00.139 I didn't think that the prison felt as claustrophobic because, as a lot 133 00:10:00.139 --> 00:10:03.419 of other prisons do, it felt quite that their freedom, that there was 134 00:10:03.500 --> 00:10:07.049 freedom to move around perhaps more than I've not been to prison myself, but 135 00:10:07.169 --> 00:10:11.889 you know, I imagine it's being quite a claustrophobic experience and I probably won't, 136 00:10:11.929 --> 00:10:16.049 you know, for Research Sake, look to go to prison. But 137 00:10:16.250 --> 00:10:20.919 I perhaps felt they could have been a bit more claustrophobic feeling to certain scenes 138 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.519 that, yeah, I felt were there was a certain oppressive us to it. 139 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.559 But like you say, that they managed to get away with quite a 140 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:35.200 lot actually, that it almost felt quite sparsely guarded at times. But but 141 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.350 then there were obviously other stakes that were established within within kind of the rules 142 00:10:39.389 --> 00:10:43.230 of the prison. So it was it was just it was very effective. 143 00:10:43.269 --> 00:10:48.149 If you know, if

you're looking for a piece of Saturday night entertainment that's 144 00:10:48.269 --> 00:10:52.019 that's kind of thrilling and, like you say, has some humor, has 145 00:10:52.059 --> 00:10:58.700 a lot of pathos. Particularly there's the sequence with the Leonard carried to played 146 00:10:58.740 --> 00:11:03.690 by Mark loned winter, with with him and his son. They don't drop 147 00:11:03.929 --> 00:11:07.769 many of these sort of character building moments in throughout the film. It's all 148 00:11:07.850 --> 00:11:11.169 pace, it's all on getting to the end game essentially, but when they 149 00:11:11.169 --> 00:11:15.809 do drop these moments of sort of humanity in it, particularly that this moment 150 00:11:15.929 --> 00:11:20.480 where it gets thirty minutes with his son and month, it was so beautiful 151 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:22.360 played. You really felt the plane in it, so that you know there 152 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:26.440 were really, really nice moments within that. So yeah, it was. 153 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:31.440 It was just a good, strong piece of Saturday night entertainment. Probably not 154 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:35.190 as as heavy as as I was expecting it to be, given the subject 155 00:11:35.230 --> 00:11:39.549 matter. Absolutely not that it was not that it was light, but it 156 00:11:39.789 --> 00:11:46.149 was it had the right balance to be enjoyable while still maintaining that tension and 157 00:11:46.309 --> 00:11:50.740 that that stressfulness that you know, a prison break movie needs yea, and 158 00:11:50.980 --> 00:11:52.980 it was. My last point is as well. They've even gone to the 159 00:11:54.179 --> 00:11:56.820 the trouble of giving it a tagline, which movies don't always get now, 160 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:01.049 and it is survival is the key, which I think is absolutely wonderful. 161 00:12:01.690 --> 00:12:05.610 It's got everything about that I love about taglines right in there. So well 162 00:12:05.690 --> 00:12:09.809 done to them. Absolutely so. If you're looking for a bit of and 163 00:12:11.009 --> 00:12:16.879 saying thrilling movie, goodness, can't recommend escape from Toria enough. It's just 164 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:20.960 as Craig said, it's not a perfect film, but it is just a 165 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:26.519 really nice bit of entertainment. So, Craig, we're gonna stick with you. 166 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.190 My good man, do you manage to get your eyes on Cherry so, 167 00:12:31.350 --> 00:12:37.269 the first post avengers end game directorial effort from the Russou brothers? I 168 00:12:37.389 --> 00:12:41.110 did, indeed. Yes, I picked up cherry. It was on Apple 169 00:12:41.230 --> 00:12:43.740 TV plus and, let you say, it was the Russo brothers, and 170 00:12:43.980 --> 00:12:50.500 it's got we've got Tom Holland and Kira. Bravo. And essentially what you're 171 00:12:50.539 --> 00:12:54.220 doing is you looking at a man's life in three acts, from Teen Angst 172 00:12:54.539 --> 00:13:00.289 to war movie to struggle with with drugs, and it's him trying to find 173 00:13:00.370 --> 00:13:03.210 his place in the world, and we've got touch Tom Holland as Cherry, 174 00:13:03.529 --> 00:13:07.970 as WHO, although everybody refers to him as Cherry because he's the title character, 175 00:13:09.049 --> 00:13:13.039 is not actually ever referred to as Cherry or by a name. It's 176 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:20.039 what what we've got here essentially is, like I say, three acts of 177 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.919 a man's life with a prolog and an epilog. It's a man, a 178 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.149 boy, trying to find his place in the world and and really, really 179 00:13:28.230 --> 00:13:31.870 struggling. The first thing I have to say is Tom Holland's performance in this, 180 00:13:33.110 --> 00:13:37.350 along with Kira Bravo as emily, were wonderful. You could easily have 181 00:13:37.470 --> 00:13:46.340 gone soppy for the teen aspect of it, you could have gone Ott for 182 00:13:46.460 --> 00:13:50.500 the war movie, and it doesn't do that. It doesn't go to he'd 183 00:13:50.539 --> 00:13:54.179 never goes too far with it, and that's not something that everybody involved in 184 00:13:54.220 --> 00:13:58.649 this movie. Some people do go over and abot of what they should perhaps 185 00:13:58.730 --> 00:14:01.129 be doing when it comes to making movies, but we'll talk about that in 186 00:14:01.250 --> 00:14:05.450 just a few minutes. There's also a standout performance for me as his best 187 00:14:05.529 --> 00:14:13.080 friend, James, by forest good luck, who was wonderfully understated as this 188 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:18.799 kind of best friend, but could be a negative influence, could be a 189 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:22.840 positive influence. And he changes roles throughout it and he does it so well 190 00:14:24.750 --> 00:14:28.110 and he plays James as a man who really needs a lot of love and 191 00:14:28.230 --> 00:14:33.870 support and my heart went out to him as a character. The film itself, 192 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:39.620 for me it's clunky. It doesn't move seamlessly between those it very much 193 00:14:39.899 --> 00:14:45.460 almost is three separate movies that have been that happened to have Tom Holland as 194 00:14:45.539 --> 00:14:50.259 the same character in all three of them. It's it's attempts at satire and 195 00:14:50.379 --> 00:14:54.929 IT tries a couple of times and you you pick up on it quite early 196 00:14:54.970 --> 00:14:56.809 on that there's satire and you go, okay, this is what they're saying 197 00:14:56.809 --> 00:15:03.129 about young love or about war or about, you know, the loss of 198 00:15:03.169 --> 00:15:07.559 human life. But then that it's start. They start to maybe flick you 199 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.440 on the ear with satire in the first one and then it's a slap around 200 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:15.879 the face

in the second and then it's a punch to the stomach for the 201 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.590 third and it just feels clunky, over the top and a bit hamhanded when 202 00:15:20.629 --> 00:15:24.950 it comes to the satire and with the tone of the film as well. 203 00:15:26.070 --> 00:15:30.710 The tone changes a lot and considering you know where the movies going to go, 204 00:15:31.149 --> 00:15:33.909 there's there's no prizes for knowing that he's life is going to take a 205 00:15:33.990 --> 00:15:41.259 downward spiral. It's it totally just doesn't feel but it doesn't feel like one 206 00:15:41.379 --> 00:15:45.820 film. One last negative before I come up with a positive is that there's 207 00:15:45.860 --> 00:15:50.529 quite a nasty tone to the not to some characters. There's a nasty tone 208 00:15:50.570 --> 00:15:56.889 to the world and it's like the Russo brothers are doing their back best to 209 00:15:56.009 --> 00:16:02.090 say, isn't the world a bad place for ye? And it's not saying 210 00:16:02.090 --> 00:16:06.159 at the moment. It's it's saying for you, for young people, but 211 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:08.519 it's not offering us, you know, any sort of glimmer of hope or 212 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:14.399 what this person has done wrong, what the steps that they're not trying to 213 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.629 educate their just seem to have a bleak outlook very much like perhaps some, 214 00:16:18.909 --> 00:16:22.830 you know, Michael Bay films, you could argue have the same sort of 215 00:16:22.070 --> 00:16:27.309 pessimistic look at outlook on life. That being said, would I recommend this 216 00:16:27.509 --> 00:16:33.539 film if you're in the right place at the right time to to watch something 217 00:16:33.659 --> 00:16:38.179 that has got stellar performances? I would recommend it if you want to see 218 00:16:38.259 --> 00:16:45.659 something that is divisive, that can use humor really, really well, and 219 00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:51.009 the the the Russo's brothers use of visual humor in this, and it's usually 220 00:16:51.049 --> 00:16:55.250 happening behind a character, so without them sort of interacting with it, is 221 00:16:55.529 --> 00:17:00.289 is very, very good. It's just doesn't flow for me as a film. 222 00:17:00.169 --> 00:17:03.119 Would it be something I watch again? Only if I was to watch 223 00:17:03.119 --> 00:17:07.559 it with somebody else like yourself, Scott, that you know, to get 224 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:10.880 your view on it, to see what your take is on it. Rather, 225 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:15.109 I wouldn't sit down as an entertainment, two hours ten minutes to watch 226 00:17:15.109 --> 00:17:19.470 it again. But that being said, I wouldn't stop somebody. I would 227 00:17:19.509 --> 00:17:23.829 just give them some guidelines beforehand, or at leak very least a little bit 228 00:17:23.869 --> 00:17:27.349 of a warning. I think it's interesting that this is the film that they 229 00:17:27.430 --> 00:17:33.059 picked to go for not a not a cinema release, a streaming exclusive release, 230 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:37.980 to follow up what was at one point the biggest movie of all time, 231 00:17:37.299 --> 00:17:45.250 to focus in on what appears to be quite a sprawling but it's definitely 232 00:17:45.289 --> 00:17:48.930 more low key character study. It's it's quite it's quite a brave move by 233 00:17:49.049 --> 00:17:52.049 the they's just a shame that you know from what you've said, and you 234 00:17:52.170 --> 00:17:56.170 know what you said sort of vibes with a lot of the other critical reaction 235 00:17:56.289 --> 00:18:02.880 to cherry is that it was that it suffers tonally throughout. But yeah, 236 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:06.880 I mean it's something that I'll I'll check out because I think Tom Hollands really 237 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.119 really great perform I think seeing him again, it would be very easy for 238 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.829 him to just stick to kind of the leading man roles, but he's he's 239 00:18:15.990 --> 00:18:19.789 trying things that are a little bit more challenging, like this and like the 240 00:18:19.869 --> 00:18:23.470 devil all the time. So it's yeah, it's good to see. Good 241 00:18:23.470 --> 00:18:27.779 to see him branching out and really kind of flexing is acting chops in between 242 00:18:27.859 --> 00:18:33.259 kind of spiderman movies and you know he's got the upcoming movie adaptation of the 243 00:18:33.500 --> 00:18:38.500 uncharted video games. So yeah, certainly looking forward to checking him out and 244 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:42.809 seeing how he fares into the likeness. So yeah, thank you very much, 245 00:18:42.809 --> 00:18:47.250 Craig An. As Craig says, that is available on Apple TV plus 246 00:18:47.410 --> 00:18:51.490 now. So for the third of our four movies this week we're moving on 247 00:18:51.650 --> 00:18:56.319 to now TV for one of the sky exclusives released last weekend. It's called 248 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:03.839 creation stories, directed by actor turned director Nick Moran and a star in your 249 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.920 and Bremn. It tells the story of Alan McGee, the renegade head of 250 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:12.670 creation records, and his story from youth to basically signing one of the biggest 251 00:19:12.670 --> 00:19:18.750 bands in the world and his involvement later on in getting involved in politics. 252 00:19:18.710 --> 00:19:22.390 So something that on I've seen on my own and I think the reason I 253 00:19:22.710 --> 00:19:29.220 could have set out to watch this was particularly at the moment I'm loving films 254 00:19:29.420 --> 00:19:33.099 and documentaries that capture a certain element or certain time of my life. So, 255 00:19:33.619 --> 00:19:37.940 as we've discussed on previous episode, I've gone back and watch the last 256 00:19:37.980 --> 00:19:41.970 dance and high score

and the under take a documentary, the last ride, 257 00:19:42.089 --> 00:19:47.769 because they they capture that that moment in time, particularly around the sort of 258 00:19:48.250 --> 00:19:52.289 s s period where, you know, I was growing up. Their informative 259 00:19:52.329 --> 00:19:55.400 years and one of the most formative things, and as I'm sure Craig will 260 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.680 agree, because I know that one of his favorite bands is, the rise 261 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:03.200 of oasis, was one of the epochal moments. You know, as a 262 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.470 as a young guy in his late teens early twent s that was getting into 263 00:20:07.509 --> 00:20:11.869 indie music, the stuff that creation records was putting out was kind of front 264 00:20:11.950 --> 00:20:15.630 and center. So this is a man that that coind of put bands like 265 00:20:15.710 --> 00:20:21.230 my bloody Valentine and Jesus and Mary Chain and Teenage Fan Club and primal scream 266 00:20:21.700 --> 00:20:26.500 and obviously the big boys oasis, basically into the public consciousness through his record 267 00:20:26.539 --> 00:20:32.380 label. So I had no idea going into this kind of the depth of 268 00:20:33.380 --> 00:20:37.849 kind of where he started and the character that Alan McGee was because so, 269 00:20:37.930 --> 00:20:42.690 yeah, I didn't quite realize what kind of a colorful life Alan McGee had 270 00:20:42.690 --> 00:20:48.170 led because when oasis were were in the ascendency and there was a lot of 271 00:20:48.410 --> 00:20:53.359 commentaries voted to him around that time, he looks kind of short hair, 272 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:57.839 wearing the suit, he looked like quite an ordinary guy that was, you 273 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.880 know, hanging around with these rock stars, but actually he led a bit 274 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:07.069 of a kind of watts and all excessive lifestyle. However, I think the 275 00:21:07.190 --> 00:21:14.910 issue with creation stories is that, despite the pedigree involved with it, because 276 00:21:14.910 --> 00:21:18.259 I mean, if you're capturing a moment in time, there's probably no no 277 00:21:18.420 --> 00:21:23.180 actors more nies than your and Bretna being such a such a huge part of 278 00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:27.380 the transporting phenomenon in the career that he had. Spanning off of that, 279 00:21:27.819 --> 00:21:33.089 the screenplay was co penned by Irvan Welsh again with that that linked to linked 280 00:21:33.170 --> 00:21:40.089 transpotted Nick Moran again. It came to prominence in knock stuff into smoking barrels 281 00:21:40.089 --> 00:21:42.930 and developed from there the produced by Danny boil as well. So the pedigrees 282 00:21:44.009 --> 00:21:48.039 there and you know, the soundtrack is there, and that's one thing I 283 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:51.559 will say before I kind of get too deep into the film, is that 284 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:55.839 the Soundtrack is absolute phenomenal. It's made me want to go and check out 285 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:59.119 a few bands that I've forgotten about it, particularly teenage fan club. I 286 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:02.750 forgot it that they they were a thing and you know that were that were 287 00:22:02.789 --> 00:22:07.150 great at the time. But the issue with the film is it does what 288 00:22:07.349 --> 00:22:11.869 you expect all of these sort of musician biopic films to do, that you 289 00:22:11.990 --> 00:22:18.259 have the lowly start, the scrabbling to get started, the abusive pair and 290 00:22:18.619 --> 00:22:26.099 the the growth and sort of into that wild excess and then the the downfall 291 00:22:26.900 --> 00:22:30.009 and it's all done you. It's nothing that will not seen before. That 292 00:22:30.329 --> 00:22:33.369 you can you can chart exactly what the film is going to do any any 293 00:22:33.450 --> 00:22:37.690 individual point. It does it with a lot of energy. But for a 294 00:22:37.769 --> 00:22:42.769 film with so much energy and so in a hurry to get somewhere and tell 295 00:22:42.809 --> 00:22:47.599 you the next thing. It doesn't all feel like a bit of a slog 296 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.839 I think part of the issue is and I like you and Bremner as an 297 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:55.480 actor. I think you know in the right roles he can be quite entertained. 298 00:22:55.559 --> 00:23:00.950 I think I didn't find the situations he found himself in. I didn't 299 00:23:00.069 --> 00:23:06.470 find him particularly likable as a character. I didn't find the way the film 300 00:23:06.950 --> 00:23:12.859 approached its subject matter was particularly likable. It's lighthearted, it does try to 301 00:23:12.940 --> 00:23:18.140 be funny. It's not too serious and too heavy, but I don't think. 302 00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:22.019 I don't feel like the comedy lands. I don't feel like the story, 303 00:23:22.099 --> 00:23:26.740 the impact of the story really lands, and I think you know in 304 00:23:26.859 --> 00:23:30.609 the early part of his life it's quite interesting seeing is interesting in sort of 305 00:23:30.690 --> 00:23:34.690 punk and then early eates new wave music and and how that gets him into 306 00:23:34.690 --> 00:23:38.809 it and obviously is a failed musician and a particular Leo finding going who plays 307 00:23:38.849 --> 00:23:44.440 young Alan mcckee. He's really likable character. But then there's this weird moment 308 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:49.880 where you get the sort of l teens, twenty s Ala McGee but all 309 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:56.269 of a sudden turns into fifty year old you and Bremna in a ginger wig. 310 00:23:56.269 --> 00:24:03.190 It's it's a little bit jarring and you don't really again get a real 311 00:24:03.349 --> 00:24:07.710 handle on the character. The one thing I will say is is the film 312 00:24:07.789 --> 00:24:14.619 progresses. It's being told

in flashback for the most part through this interview that 313 00:24:14.740 --> 00:24:18.700 he's having, and so it's quite clan shat in that way that you know 314 00:24:18.859 --> 00:24:23.730 it's it's telling the story from his perspective and you know he's he's wired on 315 00:24:23.849 --> 00:24:29.049 Coke and he's just being a motormouth and telling the story and there's no real 316 00:24:29.250 --> 00:24:32.170 gravitas to it. It's just moving on from one thing to the other. 317 00:24:32.329 --> 00:24:37.089 That there and it isn't until late on in the film that and it almost 318 00:24:37.089 --> 00:24:41.640 saves the experience a little bit. But I I'm going to I'm probably going 319 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.640 to spoil my my judgment by saying it doesn't save the experience. It gets 320 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:49.960 close to when you get this real moment of passion and clarity out of the 321 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:55.910 alamaghee character after everything he's gone through, that you suddenly at that moment you 322 00:24:56.069 --> 00:25:00.309 get the get why he is like he is and why he does what he 323 00:25:00.430 --> 00:25:04.589 does and why he's so passionate about it and why he just went through everything 324 00:25:04.869 --> 00:25:11.220 just like like a bullet gate and it's a real moment of passion and Clarty. 325 00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:15.180 It's a great performance and at that moment you almost wish that you had 326 00:25:15.460 --> 00:25:21.259 more of that heart in the film that it feels like a lot of flash 327 00:25:21.259 --> 00:25:27.049 and not a lot of likability and just lacking that that real heartbeat that gets 328 00:25:27.089 --> 00:25:30.730 you invested in the character. So when you know they do have that moment 329 00:25:30.970 --> 00:25:37.480 for although the thing that prefaces that moments for is a really nice sort of 330 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:44.359 out of character cameo by Jason Isaacs, who turns up, has his moment 331 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.559 and then disappears through the rest of the film again. Again, its not 332 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.789 as funny as it thinks. It probably is, but you know me, 333 00:25:51.869 --> 00:25:55.670 I don't like to be I don't like to be negative that there are things 334 00:25:55.710 --> 00:26:00.430 about the films that is positive, but just on this occasion I found it 335 00:26:00.630 --> 00:26:06.859 real disappointment. For me it's that's that moment in time that you kind of 336 00:26:06.980 --> 00:26:11.059 want to feel that that moment and that connection to and I never I never 337 00:26:11.180 --> 00:26:15.579 got that. It never sort of landed in that way for me, unfortunately. 338 00:26:18.019 --> 00:26:19.650 So yeah, it's a bit of a shame. I mean by all 339 00:26:19.730 --> 00:26:23.049 means, if it's a if it's a period of history that you're interested in 340 00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:26.450 and it's the music that you loved, give it a go. You might 341 00:26:26.569 --> 00:26:30.609 find it, because, I mean I I'm airing on the lower side of 342 00:26:32.289 --> 00:26:36.319 rating this film. I've seen some quite positive reactions to it and you might, 343 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:37.920 you might enjoy it, you might get something out of it, but 344 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:44.039 but for me I really fell short and I was really disappointed, which is 345 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:48.950 unusual for me to come on this podcast and say I'm actually disappointed about so 346 00:26:48.069 --> 00:26:55.789 music, then is it today have bands playing the music as he's signing them, 347 00:26:55.950 --> 00:27:00.349 or is it as background music? They've got creation music artists. There's 348 00:27:00.500 --> 00:27:03.660 there's a bit, there's a bit of both. So what they do is 349 00:27:03.700 --> 00:27:10.259 they're all of the musicians and the characters are literally every Bo right right the 350 00:27:10.299 --> 00:27:15.569 way through, from Bobby Gales B and Joannis from Primo scream, who were 351 00:27:15.609 --> 00:27:19.329 too of his closest friends growing up. They're played by two actors. You've 352 00:27:19.369 --> 00:27:25.289 got you've got the actors playing oasis as well, although they actually use the 353 00:27:25.450 --> 00:27:30.839 creation artists music for those live sequences. So when he discovers the Wassis at 354 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:36.440 King Tuts, they're using a live version of rock and roll star Kay. 355 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.559 So the actual music is in that and the actual music is absolutely fantastic. 356 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:44.750 Some of it, some of the use of it at some points is a 357 00:27:44.789 --> 00:27:48.190 little bit on the nose, but you know when you're using some great, 358 00:27:48.230 --> 00:27:52.230 great tracks in there, it's yeah, it's kind of worth while listening to. 359 00:27:52.509 --> 00:27:56.150 It. Kind of tells that story with the creation artists in there, 360 00:27:56.069 --> 00:28:00.660 but they're all slightly slightly weird doppel gang has. It takes you out the 361 00:28:00.740 --> 00:28:04.619 movie a little bit. You know, even even the moments later on where 362 00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:11.500 Ala McGee gets involved with new labor movement and his moments with Peter Mandelsson and 363 00:28:11.890 --> 00:28:18.009 Alice to Campbell and Tony Blair were a little it on the little bit on 364 00:28:18.089 --> 00:28:21.970 the jarring side, I guess, because you know, you're in this period 365 00:28:22.009 --> 00:28:25.009 of history where we know, we know, these people are very recognizable, 366 00:28:25.250 --> 00:28:30.519 so to see them recreated on screen it you know, sometimes it's done really 367 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.799 well, sometimes it just feels a little bit jarring. I think on this 368 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.279 occasion some of it does feel a little bit a

little bit jarring. So, 369 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.119 gentleman, as I sort of said, the part of the reason I 370 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.710 kind of gravitated towards creation stories is it was that moment in time and sometimes 371 00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:49.990 you get that film that does that, that takes you back to a moment 372 00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:53.230 in your life where you got Ah, you know what, that I remember 373 00:28:53.309 --> 00:28:56.579 that. That was a that was a great moment for me. Do you 374 00:28:56.900 --> 00:29:00.980 do you have any particular films that are your go toos? For that I 375 00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:07.059 have to and following on from creation stories, mine first and foremost would have 376 00:29:07.099 --> 00:29:11.289 to be supersonic, which is the charts, the sort of first year and 377 00:29:11.329 --> 00:29:15.849 a half, almost two years, of Oasis's career, right up till ned 378 00:29:15.890 --> 00:29:19.089 worth, which was kind of seen as the pinnacle, and for me it's 379 00:29:19.450 --> 00:29:26.000 pitched. It gives everything, the feelings that I felt being a Gig, 380 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:32.000 the excitement of being part of knowing this new band, everything, and I 381 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:37.480 can watch it any time and it it takes it's like watching going to a 382 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:42.750 gig again. All the excitement is there, the the enthusiasm, the kind 383 00:29:42.750 --> 00:29:48.869 of the energy, which I mean I absolutely love. And the second one, 384 00:29:48.750 --> 00:29:55.700 for very different reasons, would be senna. Yeah, Senna is one 385 00:29:55.819 --> 00:30:00.980 of my, if not my favorite documentary of all time. My Dad and 386 00:30:00.099 --> 00:30:06.579 I used to watch Formula One together and I don't think I ever noticed at 387 00:30:06.579 --> 00:30:08.289 the time, but when? And Senna wasn't there anymore. I didn't Watch 388 00:30:08.650 --> 00:30:15.049 Formula One and my dad didn't really either. We'd kind of lost something with 389 00:30:15.170 --> 00:30:18.650 it and Senna and I'd never really realized that. I just thought I'd not 390 00:30:19.250 --> 00:30:22.480 you know, I'd grown out of watching it and it wasn't until I watched 391 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:27.279 Senna and I bought a copy from my dad that it. It hits me 392 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:36.750 so emotionally every single time. It never fails to hit and I get infuriated 393 00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:41.750 Alan Prost I get infuriated at the governing body because there's no way you can 394 00:30:41.789 --> 00:30:45.390 stop what is about to happen. So for those two just transport you back 395 00:30:45.430 --> 00:30:51.059 to two very different times for very, very different feelings, I suppose. 396 00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:55.500 Yeah, I'd senter. I'll agree with you there. It's a hell of 397 00:30:55.579 --> 00:30:59.819 a film if you're if you've not seen Senna.

So it's directed by a 398 00:30:59.859 --> 00:31:03.740 said Kapedia, and I'll pick up another one of his films after Chris Iss 399 00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:07.609 Bo, I could. But with Sanna you don't have to be passionately into 400 00:31:07.690 --> 00:31:12.650 Formula One to really kind of get the story into to really be carried along 401 00:31:12.650 --> 00:31:17.930 with it. I'm not a big Formula One fan, but I remember and 402 00:31:18.089 --> 00:31:22.480 send us passing so clearly. I remember that whole day in that whole kind 403 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:27.119 of weekend really, really clearly. So again it's that transportive thing, but 404 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:32.680 it hits you so hard in the chest when it happens. It's so effective 405 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.230 as a movie and the whole film. The fact that he's managed to kind 406 00:31:36.269 --> 00:31:44.710 of carve a really great narrative out of just documentary footage. This is twenty 407 00:31:44.750 --> 00:31:48.660 years removed from when this all happened. That he's gone through all of the 408 00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:53.019 all of this footage and managed to craft a narrative from it is is just 409 00:31:53.180 --> 00:32:00.900 phenomenal and such a skill. But I'll talk another about another race films in 410 00:32:00.940 --> 00:32:02.329 a moment. But, Chris, how about yourself? Are there any films 411 00:32:02.369 --> 00:32:07.289 that automatically transport you back to a particular place in time? Yeah, I've 412 00:32:07.329 --> 00:32:15.130 got. I've got to to the very different in terms of tone, the 413 00:32:15.250 --> 00:32:20.160 first being the original Jumanji film with the late Great Robin Williams. Yeah, 414 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.319 because it was. There were scenes that were filmed in a town that I 415 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:28.839 used to frequent as a as a kid, and in fact they still have 416 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:34.390 the parish shoes mural on one of the walls. Yeah, and that brings 417 00:32:34.470 --> 00:32:39.029 me back to a very, very specific point in time and fall in New 418 00:32:39.069 --> 00:32:44.859 England as a kid, and the other. Well, so, who do 419 00:32:45.259 --> 00:32:52.299 to do with the woods? The Blair which project, one of the films 420 00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:58.890 that introduced me into my love for horror films. And and because I was 421 00:32:59.089 --> 00:33:01.410 I watched it on a Friday night. And the thing that we used to 422 00:33:01.410 --> 00:33:08.490 do with the family every Friday, have pizza, go down to the local 423 00:33:08.930 --> 00:33:14.839 video rental store, proper vhs all on the shelves. You could go in 424 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.160 and have a look. Wasn't a blockbuster, just like a family owned business. 425 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:23.960 It was great and we peruse the shelves and be like, Oh, 426 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:28.670 that looks good or this looks good or this

is a classic Chris hasn't seen. 427 00:33:29.150 --> 00:33:37.109 And Yeah, Blair which projects was one of those. And and because 428 00:33:37.109 --> 00:33:38.589 I watched it Friday night, really late at night, and I was a 429 00:33:38.630 --> 00:33:43.460 kid in a house that was in the middle of the woods, it resonates. 430 00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:47.660 But but now, growing up, obviously I was scared my panties off 431 00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:53.660 at the time, but now I sort of see it as a zeitgeist feeling. 432 00:33:54.339 --> 00:33:58.890 I recently rewatched it and got that same sort of feeling. Yeah, 433 00:33:59.170 --> 00:34:04.410 so different, different kinds of films, but same, same process in my 434 00:34:04.529 --> 00:34:08.769 brain. Yeah, I think my two films. So I could list probably 435 00:34:08.809 --> 00:34:13.119 a hundred films that remind me of different times in places for different reasons, 436 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.199 if going to sort of use it to kind of take you back to me. 437 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.920 You. I'll pick up on what crake said. Just another assid Kapadia 438 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:25.190 film was released a couple of years ago, Diego Maradonna, which charts his 439 00:34:25.829 --> 00:34:31.829 arrival at Napoli and his time with the club, and it's basically one of 440 00:34:31.869 --> 00:34:37.230 the most kind of tumultuous, turbulent periods of his life. But this was 441 00:34:37.429 --> 00:34:39.659 kind of the early a, early to mid eight is. It was at 442 00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:44.739 a time that I was just getting into football and there was no bigger name 443 00:34:45.019 --> 00:34:51.820 than Diego Maradonna, and I mean it again, he crafts so as a 444 00:34:51.940 --> 00:34:59.929 compared a crafts this film from just tons of news footage interviews. It's different 445 00:34:59.969 --> 00:35:05.130 away because it's actually got input from Maridonne himself before he passed away, and 446 00:35:05.650 --> 00:35:13.320 tells the story of him arriving at the club and his introduction to recreational enhancements, 447 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:19.880 shall we say. Basically he was getting office tits on Coke and his 448 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:28.510 involvement with the criminal elements in Naples at the time, and as well as 449 00:35:28.550 --> 00:35:34.869 dragging this club that you know, they were seen as kind of perennial underachievers. 450 00:35:35.429 --> 00:35:37.139 They were a there were kind of a nothing club and he dragged them 451 00:35:37.460 --> 00:35:44.420 from the depths all the way to the top of the table and and and 452 00:35:44.539 --> 00:35:46.539 that was kind of unheard of and they've never really kind of achieved that same 453 00:35:46.619 --> 00:35:52.530 level of success since they'd built this team around him. But he was just 454 00:35:52.690 --> 00:35:55.570 this this magician, and not a part of the film takes place during the 455 00:35:55.690 --> 00:35:59.769 one thousand nine hundred and eighty six World Cup, which was the first World 456 00:35:59.809 --> 00:36:02.570 Cup that I really remember watching. And obviously there's that, there's the famous 457 00:36:02.610 --> 00:36:07.599 moment. Yeah, and I think a lot of people have that reaction when 458 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:12.559 they think about Diego Maradonna. But what the film does, and I can't 459 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.719 believe I'm going to say this, but it almost makes you feel sorry for 460 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:22.389 him. You you have sympathy for it, because he essentially cheated on that 461 00:36:22.510 --> 00:36:30.070 day and he's always had that fiery temperament. He's always been viewed as a 462 00:36:30.269 --> 00:36:34.699 bit of a bad boy, but he was so prodigiously talented and you get 463 00:36:34.820 --> 00:36:37.980 to see that actually he was. You know, during the film he talks 464 00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:43.340 about having these two characters. There's Diego, who's the quiet, shy boy 465 00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:49.250 from Argentina, and as Maridonna, who is the the icon, the character, 466 00:36:49.730 --> 00:36:52.889 and he has those two conflicting sides and sometimes that, you know, 467 00:36:52.969 --> 00:37:00.449 the MARADONNA character worn out over over Diego, and it's absolutely it's on a 468 00:37:00.489 --> 00:37:05.480 sain similar sort of level. I think center is just slightly better, but 469 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.920 Diego Maradona, if you get a chance to see I think it's an Amazon 470 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.440 prime at the minute. Even if you're not into football, it's an absolutely 471 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:17.590 fast, senating character study. The other film this is one that the mean 472 00:37:17.670 --> 00:37:22.190 Craig of of often mildly disagreed on, but it's Brian to Palmer's one thousand 473 00:37:22.190 --> 00:37:27.269 nine hundred and eighty seven classic, the untouchables. It's one of my favorite 474 00:37:27.309 --> 00:37:29.630 films, but I think part of the reason it is one of my favorite 475 00:37:29.630 --> 00:37:35.300 films is that I have this Association of being sat in the front room on 476 00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:39.139 a sunny day with my family and watching this film that at the time, 477 00:37:39.219 --> 00:37:43.179 I think it was cut for TV, so I was allowed to watch it, 478 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:46.329 but it felt dangerous. This was a slightly older film for me to 479 00:37:46.369 --> 00:37:51.929 be watching and it just captivated me and it's such a great, great story. 480 00:37:51.969 --> 00:37:55.130 So whenever I hear the music from the film, and it came was 481 00:37:55.210 --> 00:38:00.599 one of my tracks of the trade in an earlier episode, but the music 482 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:07.079 and moments of the film and Yeah, it just transports me back to being 483 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:13.630 that

Young's of eleven, twelve year old excitedly watching this, this absolutely brilliant 484 00:38:13.670 --> 00:38:19.510 film with this Great Sean Connery performance. Yeah, I absolutely love it and 485 00:38:19.590 --> 00:38:24.550 that's one of those transportative films that just for were reminded me where I was 486 00:38:24.630 --> 00:38:28.260 at that time. Likes I could. I could list off another twenty, 487 00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:30.860 but that's the one that immediately comes to mind. And so for the final 488 00:38:30.940 --> 00:38:36.219 one of our reviews, this time out we are going big. We're going 489 00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:38.500 four hours long in fact, where we're not going for hours long, that 490 00:38:38.579 --> 00:38:43.090 would make this episode probably the long as yet. I don't think any of 491 00:38:43.130 --> 00:38:47.369 US wants to be here about that long, but we're going to be talking 492 00:38:47.650 --> 00:38:53.329 Zack Snyder's justice league. So myself and Chris have both checked this out and 493 00:38:53.489 --> 00:38:57.280 what a store in history. I mean we've covered this on the podcast before, 494 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.960 but now it's out there, it's in the world, it is it's 495 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:07.000 an actual thing and I'm really fascinated to no particular I know. I know 496 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.230 you're a big comic book movie is Fan, Chris, and we've discussed this 497 00:39:12.269 --> 00:39:16.510 at length previously. How did you find Zack Snyder's justice league? I enjoyed 498 00:39:16.550 --> 00:39:22.469 it. You know what? I think that's as subverting my expectations as I 499 00:39:22.550 --> 00:39:24.099 thought it was going to be. We talked about what we talked about this 500 00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:34.619 before, of like how how much rescuing can you do, and this subverted 501 00:39:34.699 --> 00:39:39.929 my expectations. It was long, sure, but I enjoyed it Hig I 502 00:39:40.170 --> 00:39:45.010 was okay with it being four hours because I am not as so much of 503 00:39:45.050 --> 00:39:49.809 a DC lover as I am a marvel lover, HMM, growing up with 504 00:39:49.849 --> 00:39:53.719 spider man and him being my idol and all of that jazz, but I 505 00:39:53.960 --> 00:40:00.920 do love my DC universe as well and if, for instance, you know, 506 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.719 there was a four hour version of Harry Potter, I would demand that. 507 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:10.429 So the four hours of Justice League, I wasn't too bar good by. 508 00:40:10.750 --> 00:40:15.349 It's, as you know and everyone else should be aware, it's cut 509 00:40:15.429 --> 00:40:21.820 up into chapters six chapters and an extra bit. That makes it more tolerable, 510 00:40:21.820 --> 00:40:24.139 because it feels like you're getting to check points, I suppose. Yes, 511 00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:29.099 yeah, I think. I think that's because the original idea was to 512 00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:34.900 carve it down into a mini series, right, and that's partially why the 513 00:40:34.940 --> 00:40:38.690 chapters exist. But then they've made the decision to put it out in this 514 00:40:38.889 --> 00:40:43.250 for our cut. I'm going to agree with you, Churis, that I 515 00:40:44.010 --> 00:40:46.690 I thought it was good. I think that. I think we can both 516 00:40:46.929 --> 00:40:52.400 we can both say for the listeners out there that we agree that it is 517 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:59.639 a better representation of what the DC you could be, yes, versus what 518 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.880 the two thousand and seventeen version was. In full disclosure from me, I 519 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.869 didn't hate the origin of Justice League. I had I had a time with 520 00:41:08.030 --> 00:41:12.269 it. It was it was what it was. I didn't hate it either. 521 00:41:12.389 --> 00:41:15.909 I just came out knowing it was a mess. Yes, yeah, 522 00:41:15.550 --> 00:41:19.179 that's yeah, I think that's that's a very good way of putting it. 523 00:41:20.460 --> 00:41:25.059 I so I was, like you, not entirely sure how it was going 524 00:41:25.300 --> 00:41:28.380 to how it was going to pan out, how it was going to go, 525 00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:30.980 how it was going to kind of how they were going to change it 526 00:41:31.099 --> 00:41:35.809 significant enough that you know it's essentially the same film. It follows the same 527 00:41:36.449 --> 00:41:43.690 beat, but actually it expands on the the story, the character motivations actually 528 00:41:43.730 --> 00:41:50.239 makes sense. Now there are there are moments where it does feel interminably long, 529 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.119 but then I chose to sit and watch it in one sitting. There 530 00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:58.079 are moments that actually I sat there going this is really good, this, 531 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:05.630 this bit was done well. There are character performances in there that I think 532 00:42:05.750 --> 00:42:07.670 clunk. There are character performances in there that I think are quite good. 533 00:42:07.989 --> 00:42:13.150 There are action sequences that I think that looks really cool. There are characters, 534 00:42:13.230 --> 00:42:17.579 there are action sequences. I think that looked a bit pants and or 535 00:42:17.739 --> 00:42:22.739 that was that was overdone. I think if you'd have played the whole film 536 00:42:23.420 --> 00:42:28.619 at normal speed and cut out the SLOWMO, it probably would have been an 537 00:42:28.820 --> 00:42:34.050 our shorter. But so they are. There are a lot of yeah, 538 00:42:34.650 --> 00:42:37.130 slow motion, but yeah, some of the some of them are great and 539 00:42:37.289 --> 00:42:42.289 some of them just feel like get on with it a little bit. I 540 00:42:42.409 --> 00:42:45.719 mean the one, the one that sticks out as being actual story driven and 541 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:52.000

useful in a way is is the is Barry Allen's bit. Yes, yeah, 542 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:57.079 when he's getting a job or going to be getting a job looking after 543 00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.630 some puppies. Yeah, and again, we're not going to we're not trying 544 00:43:00.670 --> 00:43:04.070 to ruin it. Yeah, but that is one moment that I thought was 545 00:43:04.150 --> 00:43:08.110 story driven. It had a little bit of humor that pays off at the 546 00:43:08.190 --> 00:43:12.230 end, which I also thought was nice. It wasn't just very allen being 547 00:43:12.349 --> 00:43:16.659 silly for no reason. Yeah, I do find Ezra Miller's as Ramiller, 548 00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:25.219 Yep, I do find his burry Allen a little obnoxious. Yeah, he's, 549 00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:29.690 but he's responsible for some of the more entertaining bits in the film as 550 00:43:29.730 --> 00:43:32.329 well. I find that, you know, I think true. Like. 551 00:43:32.530 --> 00:43:37.010 Yeah, yeah, although the moment you're referring to in my notes, I 552 00:43:37.130 --> 00:43:43.199 referred it to refer to that moment as Barry Allen's floating sausage. Good, 553 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.639 because it Shu. Yeah, described from now on, yes, all eternity 554 00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:53.000 for the for the unsubtle overtones of Oh, this is quite a pretty girl. 555 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:58.150 Oh, by the way, here's a floating sausage. That's yeah, 556 00:43:58.750 --> 00:44:00.510 I mean, yeah, you sure if you want to look at it? 557 00:44:01.309 --> 00:44:06.829 I see where your brains going. Yeah, yeah, there are some times 558 00:44:06.869 --> 00:44:10.179 that I really struggled with. weirdly enough, some of the visuals. Yeah, 559 00:44:12.659 --> 00:44:17.780 because I know Zach's night like I felt some visual styles creeping in from 560 00:44:19.659 --> 00:44:24.010 what he did with three hundred. Yeah, and that sort of like green 561 00:44:24.210 --> 00:44:30.210 screen and the people don't quite match the scenes that they're in, like the 562 00:44:30.329 --> 00:44:35.289 shadows look a little weird and I I'm pretty sure that must have been a 563 00:44:35.889 --> 00:44:39.599 deliberate choice, because we know how good the effects are in the rest of 564 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:43.760 the film. I think, and I just went I wonder if this is 565 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:45.840 a stylistic choice, and it took me out of it just a little bit. 566 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.960 Yeah, I think you get. I think you get that with a 567 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:53.550 lot of films, that some effects work so well and some things just look 568 00:44:54.670 --> 00:44:59.150 look odd, they look fight they look CG and yeah, but it I 569 00:44:59.630 --> 00:45:02.110 think it was more I don't know how to explain it. I mean, 570 00:45:02.150 --> 00:45:07.619 if you know three hundred, you know the set of absolutely feeling that it 571 00:45:07.699 --> 00:45:10.500 gives you. Yeah, which is for me is mostly sort of boredom. 572 00:45:10.619 --> 00:45:16.780 But, ha ha ha, I okay. So well, there are a 573 00:45:16.860 --> 00:45:21.260 couple things in it that I there's a really good there's a few very good 574 00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:24.610 videos online that you can look up comparisons of the same scenes that appeared in 575 00:45:24.769 --> 00:45:29.090 both yes, and those are quite interesting to look at, see how they 576 00:45:29.090 --> 00:45:32.170 were extended, see what was changed. That being said, some of the 577 00:45:32.210 --> 00:45:40.000 stuff in this new Justice League version felt just a bit too I'm doing a 578 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:46.000 dramatic line. There was one moment in it where wonder woman says I'm not 579 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:52.909 owned by anyone, and it felt so forced. Yeah, it was nothing 580 00:45:52.030 --> 00:45:55.949 to do with that. Steppenwolf was just being him and she was like, 581 00:45:55.989 --> 00:45:59.949 I'm not owned by anyone, and you like, do you read? Do 582 00:45:59.989 --> 00:46:01.949 you need that? Do you need that? I think it's there is an 583 00:46:02.070 --> 00:46:08.739 element of everything and the kitchen sync twice with it. I know what you 584 00:46:08.860 --> 00:46:13.659 mean. I think it's a lot's been made of this. This kind of 585 00:46:13.699 --> 00:46:17.650 the for our cut, but essentially what we've got is this is this is 586 00:46:17.730 --> 00:46:22.969 the directors cut that would turn up on the DVD two years after the film. 587 00:46:22.130 --> 00:46:25.929 So like Redley Scott did wire Kingdom of Heaven, like he's done add 588 00:46:25.969 --> 00:46:30.889 it ad infinite them with blade runner, we get director's cuts of films. 589 00:46:30.929 --> 00:46:32.480 I think it's nice that he's had the chance to be able to do that 590 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:37.599 and I think he's crafted a better film from it. I do think, 591 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.199 as issues with the story, that if it took four hours to tell that 592 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.400 story coherently. Is that an issue? Would is that an issue with the 593 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:51.110 story? Would would we have got? Would we have got a palatable threehour 594 00:46:51.230 --> 00:46:55.230 cinema version, like we had a palatable threehour avenge? Just not to I 595 00:46:55.269 --> 00:47:00.070 don't want to kind of invoke invoke the name of the competition, but that 596 00:47:00.230 --> 00:47:04.300 was a cohesive film, I think. I think both universes can you can 597 00:47:04.420 --> 00:47:07.059 live. Yeah, the fandoms are a little rough sometimes, but they can 598 00:47:07.139 --> 00:47:14.980 live in our world together. Yeah, stop being so absolutely absolutely start and 599 00:47:15.179 --> 00:47:16.530 I think one of the things I mean, I as I've said before, 600 00:47:16.530 --> 00:47:20.570 I just want good films and I

think this was, this was a bet. 601 00:47:20.690 --> 00:47:22.409 This was a better film. I think it was a good film and 602 00:47:22.489 --> 00:47:31.559 actually, although the sheer weight of the whole restore the snider verse Hashtags Online, 603 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:36.880 I think people are going over the top about what is essentially a good 604 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:43.000 film. It's a it's it's a it's the best part of three flawed films. 605 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.989 So you've got a good start with a flawed ending with man of steel. 606 00:47:46.110 --> 00:47:51.710 You've got a just, you know, you re watched it recently. 607 00:47:51.829 --> 00:47:55.150 Just not the great film with Batman Versus Superman, and now you've got a 608 00:47:55.309 --> 00:48:00.179 better version of the Justice League film. I don't know if I think it's 609 00:48:00.219 --> 00:48:05.860 the best film in DC universe. I think if you put it in the 610 00:48:05.940 --> 00:48:10.019 cannon of Superhero films of all time, I think it's it's it's in, 611 00:48:10.659 --> 00:48:15.250 you know, the upper middle. I still think the teen titans go version 612 00:48:15.369 --> 00:48:21.690 cyboard is my favorite. But but yeah, it's a good it's a it's 613 00:48:21.730 --> 00:48:24.809 a better film, but I think people are losing their minds over something that 614 00:48:25.010 --> 00:48:29.800 is just a good film. Although I really want to pick up on what 615 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.880 you said about the Harry Potter thing, and I guess where I understand that 616 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:38.400 reaction is that I part of the reason I like the definitely hallows films is 617 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:43.190 you're getting to spend more time with the characters and it feels more like the 618 00:48:43.309 --> 00:48:45.429 book, which I really like all the books. It felt like the book 619 00:48:45.630 --> 00:48:51.110 on film and it gave the gave the story time to breathe. Some people 620 00:48:51.150 --> 00:48:54.230 found it boring. I just liked having more time with these characters and feeling 621 00:48:55.019 --> 00:48:59.659 like that, and so I guess in a way that's where I sort of 622 00:48:59.780 --> 00:49:04.059 see this. That where those that are passionate about it at getting that fandom. 623 00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:07.460 They just enjoy more time with it. I don't know what's going to 624 00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:12.650 happen and this story will probably run and run with the extended universe. I 625 00:49:12.730 --> 00:49:17.489 have no desire to see the the David Air cut of suicide squad. I'm 626 00:49:17.489 --> 00:49:22.969 quite happy with the other what's coming up with from James Gunnen. I think 627 00:49:22.010 --> 00:49:29.480 that looks silly and amusing. The trailer made me chuckle. But yeah, 628 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:35.159 it's it's not perfect, but I'm I'm glad, certainly personally for Zack Snyder, 629 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.590 that he's had his chance to do this, and you know he can 630 00:49:38.630 --> 00:49:44.670 nail a sweet visual even though I'm not always namored of his work. So 631 00:49:44.909 --> 00:49:50.070 it yet it's a it's a good, flawed film. What's kind of curious 632 00:49:50.070 --> 00:49:52.940 about the film in itself is, and I think people should take heed of 633 00:49:53.099 --> 00:49:58.619 this, in a in a creative way. Yeah, is this also isn't 634 00:49:58.619 --> 00:50:02.860 the film that we would have got. It's a different Zack Snyder cutting this 635 00:50:04.019 --> 00:50:06.539 film to get is. Yeah, I think he's so. That's a really 636 00:50:06.619 --> 00:50:08.530 interesting thing to think about when you watch it. Of this wouldn't have been 637 00:50:08.650 --> 00:50:13.730 the film that came out if he'd been in total control. Now he has 638 00:50:13.769 --> 00:50:21.559 had more time and more autonomy with this, because he hasn't got that that 639 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:27.800 initial box office. He hasn't got that studio pressure to change things that Warner 640 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:32.280 Brothers have exerted pressure over a lot of the DC films for different reasons, 641 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:37.710 if stories to be believed. Yeah, I'm only going off what I read. 642 00:50:37.829 --> 00:50:38.909 I know, I know, I know, there's so much as well. 643 00:50:38.989 --> 00:50:43.150 There's so much here. Is So what we've got is somebody that is 644 00:50:43.269 --> 00:50:46.190 he's actually taking his time to tell the full passion of the story. But 645 00:50:46.309 --> 00:50:52.460 what we get from here on in, if we if they do restore the 646 00:50:52.820 --> 00:50:58.380 snider verse, to use the Hashtag, we will get something that maybe won't 647 00:50:58.460 --> 00:51:04.690 have the same level of directorial autonomy with it because they're going to have to 648 00:51:04.769 --> 00:51:07.489 think about the amount of money they're putting into it for the financial return they're 649 00:51:07.530 --> 00:51:10.489 going to get at the box office. I think you know that there's a 650 00:51:10.530 --> 00:51:15.730 certain element of that. I do think there's a certain there's this passion for 651 00:51:15.929 --> 00:51:19.360 it now that it would be interesting to see if it does happen, and 652 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:24.280 I wouldn't complain if it did, because actually it's in a better position than 653 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:29.039 after the last Justice League and after Batman Vsu is Superman, where I wasn't 654 00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:32.510 looking forward to what's coming next now. But then they can go off in 655 00:51:32.510 --> 00:51:37.670 so many different directions because they've got the patterns and Batman, they've got the 656 00:51:38.030 --> 00:51:42.550 Joaquin Phoenix Joker, you've got the jared letto joker who, can I just 657 00:51:42.789 --> 00:51:47.780 say, is so much better

than in suicide squad. Right, let's let's, 658 00:51:49.539 --> 00:51:52.539 let's do that point. Okay, we're here really quickly. Get it 659 00:51:52.619 --> 00:51:57.420 out of the way. Yeah, I enjoyed the tying up of that and 660 00:51:57.699 --> 00:52:05.769 seeing and seeing how it affected that tiny little seed of a scene in Batman 661 00:52:05.769 --> 00:52:10.929 versus Superman. Yeah, and and seeing this all come to fruition kind of 662 00:52:12.570 --> 00:52:17.119 way. And we can agree that jared LETO's joker, in this version, 663 00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:22.760 his his battered self or whatever you want to call him, is a better 664 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:28.320 version of the joker. Yes, that being said, obviously he has to 665 00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:32.829 tie it back to suicide joker. MMM. So the one thing that is 666 00:52:34.070 --> 00:52:39.829 really tough for actors is having a distinct character that has a laugh which fits, 667 00:52:40.269 --> 00:52:44.150 which feels like it fits in the mouth of the actor. Yeah, 668 00:52:44.500 --> 00:52:50.500 and taking his new voice and having his old laugh doesn't match. For me 669 00:52:51.659 --> 00:52:54.940 it just felt like, okay, you're doing that, you're doing that voice 670 00:52:54.940 --> 00:53:00.929 again, you're doing that at okay, all right, that's okay. It 671 00:53:01.010 --> 00:53:05.489 didn't great for me as much this time. I have to say. I 672 00:53:07.730 --> 00:53:08.849 when it when we come out of it, without spoiling anything, yes, 673 00:53:08.889 --> 00:53:12.210 this is a better film. Yes, Oh, yeah, absolutely so. 674 00:53:12.369 --> 00:53:15.079 Just, yeah, just to kind of type my point, it'd be interesting 675 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:20.000 to see, because they're heading off in so many different directions now, whether 676 00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.559 they do tie it back, because they've already committed. And if they do, 677 00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:30.590 great, but they really, they really kind of have to make sure 678 00:53:30.630 --> 00:53:34.030 that they've got the cast that they assembled for this, because then it would 679 00:53:34.070 --> 00:53:37.909 feel, it would feel odd if we don't have, you know, Ben 680 00:53:37.989 --> 00:53:44.739 Affleck back as Batman. Now they've developed this and if they yeah, so 681 00:53:45.019 --> 00:53:50.619 they just have. They have, they have either way. That Warner Brothers, 682 00:53:50.659 --> 00:53:54.340 the DC, you go with this. It is a cobbled street that 683 00:53:54.460 --> 00:54:00.170 they have to walk on. Install letters because, no matter what they dune 684 00:54:00.250 --> 00:54:01.570 this that don't be painful for someone. Yeah, the Dane, if they're 685 00:54:01.570 --> 00:54:05.449 doing the damned. If they don't, and you know, I not to 686 00:54:05.849 --> 00:54:09.599 not to disappear down the rabbit hole of the issues that Ray Fisher has has 687 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:15.559 made very public with his treatment and you can see actually in this he does 688 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:21.760 get better treatment in this film. He feels like a and he's integrity. 689 00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:25.389 He is absolutely integral and he gives he gives a good performance. He's very 690 00:54:25.429 --> 00:54:29.949 much, very much kind of that, the serious God. I find that 691 00:54:30.469 --> 00:54:35.469 the cyborg suit a little bit to CGE and a little bit too again, 692 00:54:35.550 --> 00:54:40.500 distance distracting at points. But again he comes out of this a lot better 693 00:54:40.579 --> 00:54:45.099 and I obviously, if they do move forward, they need to make sure 694 00:54:45.260 --> 00:54:49.780 that whatever happened there is resolved, because it would be a shame to carry 695 00:54:49.780 --> 00:54:53.409 on moving forward after it. Actually he's established a character now for him not 696 00:54:53.449 --> 00:54:58.489 to be able to fulfill that alongside everybody else. So it's gonna yeah, 697 00:54:58.489 --> 00:55:01.570 it's going to be difficult going forward because this is the better film. Yes, 698 00:55:01.690 --> 00:55:05.250 and how do they deal with that? Yeah, and can I keep 699 00:55:05.289 --> 00:55:09.400 the quality control that they have exhibited on this that hasn't been there with with 700 00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:15.079 previous installments? So so sorry everyone. This is a sort of weird, 701 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.000 bitter sweet, trying to see into the future review. It is. It's 702 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:23.750 because this is a this is a doorway to two different literally two different futures, 703 00:55:24.070 --> 00:55:29.949 that the cinema viewers, we will go to and see what happens. 704 00:55:29.989 --> 00:55:35.070 It's almost like it's almost like a multiverse. Weird, right, that'll crap 705 00:55:35.110 --> 00:55:37.780 up. Yeah, I wonder if somewhere else? Absolutely HMM. Interesting. 706 00:55:39.059 --> 00:55:44.699 So that's Zack Snyder's justice league, which is on sky cinema at stroke. 707 00:55:44.820 --> 00:55:46.980 Now, TV now, and now we've got those reviews out of the way, 708 00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:52.769 it's the moment you've all been waiting for. It's time for this episode's 709 00:55:53.130 --> 00:56:04.599 Pea Nice. So, if you've not listened to the monkey see monkey review 710 00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:08.719 podcast before, this is the part of the show where generally we end up 711 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:13.400 losing it in some way, shape or form. The idea of the pitch 712 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:20.869 battle is that we are given a three items by you, the fair listeners, 713 00:56:20.949 --> 00:56:24.829 by our facebook page or by a twitter or via Instagram, and those 714 00:56:24.949 --> 00:56:30.190 three items are an actor, an item and a genre. What we do 715 00:56:30.469 --> 00:56:36.219 is we take those three things and we

create, in the space of five 716 00:56:36.300 --> 00:56:42.460 minutes, a movie pitch that we then display to one another and then you 717 00:56:42.579 --> 00:56:45.460 get to get well, yes, indeed, you displayed to one another and 718 00:56:45.539 --> 00:56:52.050 exposed to you, listeners, at indeed, and just such failth. So 719 00:56:52.369 --> 00:56:58.409 this time out on our facebook page. We have been given our three things 720 00:56:58.570 --> 00:57:01.239 for the week by the lovely Haley Wright, who is a longtime support of 721 00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:05.159 the show. Now she is given us. Thank you very much indeed. 722 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.159 We'll see if you do right by us with what you've given us. D 723 00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:14.480 See, I even a pun. Brilliant. And so, this time out, 724 00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:19.150 Hailey provided us with an actor and item and a genre. But I've 725 00:57:19.230 --> 00:57:23.190 taken the liberty with the the genre, because she's given us Clint East Wood 726 00:57:23.230 --> 00:57:28.309 as the actor. Nice. The item is a Faber J A egg, 727 00:57:30.099 --> 00:57:34.500 although the the genres she gave us, which was horror, although we did 728 00:57:34.579 --> 00:57:38.659 horror just two episodes ago. So, knowing Haley and knowing she enjoys a 729 00:57:39.179 --> 00:57:45.489 Western, I've taken the liberty of changing our genre this week to Western. 730 00:57:46.329 --> 00:57:51.849 So, gentleman, now is your opportunity to do your very own Clint East 731 00:57:51.929 --> 00:57:55.130 with Western. How exciting? Is that? Very exciting. So, gentlemen, 732 00:57:55.650 --> 00:57:59.480 are your pens ready? I never read. Yes, yes, I 733 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.440 have a pencil, but yes, my virtual pen is ready, writing influence 734 00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:07.199 ready. Yes, yes, at excellent. So we will have five minutes, 735 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.920 but for you fair listeners, will be back in two seconds. Right, 736 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:16.510 gentlemen, pens down, and so it's time to present our pitches. 737 00:58:17.789 --> 00:58:22.989 We scientifically decided the order before we came back on the air, basically by 738 00:58:23.030 --> 00:58:28.940 Kris saying you to go first. I don't want to go first. So 739 00:58:29.420 --> 00:58:31.340 I think it's me leading off, I believe so. Yes, it is, 740 00:58:31.699 --> 00:58:42.130 okay, HMM. Out Large have a dire is living out the autumn 741 00:58:42.170 --> 00:58:45.570 of it is years as sleepy town. His piece is shattered when a group 742 00:58:45.650 --> 00:58:52.010 of rogue French art collectors right into town with the intent to steal back the 743 00:58:52.170 --> 00:59:01.679 collection of priceless Baba j a eggs jed stall years before. But he's not 744 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:09.190 going down without a fight. This year, clint eastwood returns to the Genre 745 00:59:09.389 --> 00:59:21.110 he defined this holiday season for earth. Few dollars more. Oh, that's 746 00:59:21.670 --> 00:59:28.219 that's the worst country. Oh my goodness, Oh, I'm not gave and 747 00:59:28.340 --> 00:59:30.579 that's what I started. Well, and that's what I started with. Just, 748 00:59:30.980 --> 00:59:38.409 I just, I worked back from there. There we go, but 749 00:59:38.610 --> 00:59:42.090 that means I've got to have a go now, doesn't it? Yes, 750 00:59:42.170 --> 00:59:50.650 it does. Okay, a relic of a golden age, a long forgotten 751 00:59:50.769 --> 00:59:58.840 treasure, massively expensive. May I present you, Clint Eastwood, know, 752 00:59:59.079 --> 00:60:05.599 you bloody idiot. Sorry, sorry, a Fabosh a egg. Can Our 753 00:60:05.760 --> 00:60:12.309 hero o God the priceless artifact from the looters? This dust bowld summer, 754 00:60:13.510 --> 00:60:27.019 Clint Sea's foot must guide the Great Western express that's a bread well done. 755 00:60:28.139 --> 00:60:44.969 I've realized that our films are all the same. Yeah, HMM. There's 756 00:60:45.010 --> 00:60:50.039 a new sheriff in town. A shootout at the okay corral. Can he 757 00:60:50.400 --> 00:60:57.559 crack the case? A town ravished by thieves after century old treasure buried deep 758 00:60:57.760 --> 00:61:06.230 beneath the sheriff's office? Three hundred fabrichy eggs? This town in big enough 759 00:61:06.269 --> 00:61:15.309 for the both of us. Clean Eastwood in your calls of the West for 760 00:61:15.389 --> 00:61:24.659 really controls with the cliptop at the beginning. We did it every when we 761 00:61:24.739 --> 00:61:29.340 did Christ and Chris is sound effects. They're always there, always a highlights 762 00:61:29.420 --> 00:61:36.010 are spot on excellent. So if you enjoyed that, make sure you sound 763 00:61:36.090 --> 00:61:38.610 off on our social media. Tell us who you think one and who her 764 00:61:38.690 --> 00:61:44.889 best egg pun was. And you can. You can. You can also 765 00:61:44.969 --> 00:61:50.880 give me a give me a sympathy like as well. Say Thank you for 766 00:61:51.000 --> 00:61:52.519 that, Hailey. That was that was a fun one. I enjoyed that. 767 00:61:52.840 --> 00:61:58.719 Yes, and so that brings us to the final section of the show. 768 00:61:59.079 --> 00:62:02.349 It's our regular tracks of the trade movie score playlist. So the idea 769 00:62:02.429 --> 00:62:07.230 behind tracks of the trade is we are developing a very own spotify playlist of 770 00:62:07.469 --> 00:62:13.630 pieces of movie score music that we know and love and basically, with the 771 00:62:13.710 --> 00:62:16.579 idea that gives you, know you were, an introduction into something that you 772 00:62:16.699 --> 00:62:22.659 might find interesting or exciting or a piece of music that you may fall in 773 00:62:22.780 --> 00:62:28.340 love with. So the idea is each week we present our own contributions to 774 00:62:28.380 --> 00:62:31.050 the playlist.

So, without any further a do, it's time to give 775 00:62:31.090 --> 00:62:35.730 you our submissions for the week. Who would like to go first? Gentleman, 776 00:62:36.329 --> 00:62:42.250 I'll happily go first. Fantastic creak. So this it's quite rare for 777 00:62:42.329 --> 00:62:46.280 me that to buy a soundtrack without having seen the film first. I think 778 00:62:46.320 --> 00:62:51.599 the first one that I ever did was total recal, and then star wars 779 00:62:51.639 --> 00:62:53.360 episode one, and then, I believe this to be my third, and 780 00:62:53.440 --> 00:62:58.280 it's from the film Hannah, and I picked it up purely because of the 781 00:62:58.360 --> 00:63:04.309 chemical brothers and I absolutely love the chemical brothers. One of the first albums 782 00:63:04.389 --> 00:63:08.070 I ever got of theirs was brought to you meet. was given to me 783 00:63:08.110 --> 00:63:12.940 by Scott, in fact, when we were back at university and this is 784 00:63:12.980 --> 00:63:16.659 a track called the devils in the beats. I absolutely love it. It's 785 00:63:16.699 --> 00:63:22.219 everything that I love about it's bright, it's it's upbeat, it makes me 786 00:63:22.380 --> 00:63:28.409 want to move and it's not necessarily everything I want in a score, okay, 787 00:63:28.650 --> 00:63:32.050 but as a as artist, the chemical brothers very, very rarely miss 788 00:63:32.610 --> 00:63:37.010 and I really really love this track. Thirteen on the the soundtrack. Yet 789 00:63:37.090 --> 00:63:40.329 the Devil's in the beats brilliant. I yes, I remember buying you that 790 00:63:40.440 --> 00:63:44.559 see surrender, wasn't it? I believe? Yeah, I think it was. 791 00:63:44.639 --> 00:63:49.280 Yeah, and confession time, I listened to it on the train all 792 00:63:49.280 --> 00:63:52.760 the way down before giving it two youths and it was. It's a it's 793 00:63:52.760 --> 00:63:58.550 a great album. was fantastic. So for my submission for the tracks the 794 00:63:58.630 --> 00:64:00.750 trade playlist this week. I did say last week I was going in on 795 00:64:00.989 --> 00:64:05.949 a Zimmer Double Bill for films that I'm not particularly a big fan off, 796 00:64:06.150 --> 00:64:11.659 because I think his scores can you lift films and actually sometimes be the best 797 00:64:11.780 --> 00:64:15.780 things about the film. So I've gone for it's quite a famous track. 798 00:64:15.820 --> 00:64:20.260 It's one that he performs on his his stadium tours. It's called Chevalier to 799 00:64:20.380 --> 00:64:26.889 San Griel. And it's from the Da Vinci Code and it's just a really 800 00:64:27.489 --> 00:64:31.849 epic piece of beautiful music. It's one that you know, particularly if you 801 00:64:31.889 --> 00:64:35.489 get your headphones in and just switch off from everything for a few minutes and 802 00:64:35.650 --> 00:64:41.360 just let it wash over you. It's beautiful and you know, as you 803 00:64:41.480 --> 00:64:44.280 know by now, I like sharing my love of films with my little girl, 804 00:64:44.559 --> 00:64:47.199 and this is no exception that. I'd like sharing pieces of movie score 805 00:64:47.239 --> 00:64:53.070 music with her and getting her opinion. I played her the live version of 806 00:64:53.150 --> 00:64:59.710 this that's that's on spotify, and when it finished, she just said that 807 00:65:00.469 --> 00:65:04.510 she given a goosebumps, which is fantastic that a twelve year old is getting 808 00:65:04.550 --> 00:65:08.659 goosebumps from a piece of music like this. So it's something I wanted to 809 00:65:08.739 --> 00:65:11.699 share with all of you as well. It's a gorgeous piece of music. 810 00:65:11.699 --> 00:65:15.260 So, as I say, it's called Chevalier's the Sangrielle and it is from 811 00:65:15.500 --> 00:65:20.340 the deficchico soundtrack by the legend that is Mr Hans Simmer Christopher. Let's wrap 812 00:65:20.420 --> 00:65:26.090 this up. Mine is from one of my favorite films of all time, 813 00:65:26.889 --> 00:65:32.449 called about time, and it is one of the tracks from the soundtrack by 814 00:65:32.849 --> 00:65:41.960 Nick Layoud clouds and it is the about time theme, the main theme of 815 00:65:42.239 --> 00:65:45.960 the of the film, and it crops up every now and then and it's 816 00:65:46.000 --> 00:65:50.829 just a gorgeous melody and if you've seen the film, the song will bring 817 00:65:50.949 --> 00:65:56.150 up tears and laughter and all sorts of stuff. So yeah, that's that's 818 00:65:56.230 --> 00:66:00.150 mine and maybe I'll talk about about time at some point now. That's one 819 00:66:00.269 --> 00:66:04.179 film that has been on my to watch list for years but because because of 820 00:66:04.260 --> 00:66:08.579 the facts is romantic comedy, I always find it quite hard to make myself 821 00:66:08.659 --> 00:66:12.980 sit down and watch them. So is it's something in that film enough? 822 00:66:13.139 --> 00:66:16.780 It's it's possibly my third favorite film of all time. Okay, understood. 823 00:66:16.820 --> 00:66:20.170 I will tell you what. I will watch it and we'll have a debrief. 824 00:66:20.489 --> 00:66:25.449 Yeah, excellent. So that's three really, really strong tracks there. 825 00:66:25.889 --> 00:66:30.690 So what we'll do is on the episode show notes. I will leave you 826 00:66:30.809 --> 00:66:34.519 the link for the spotify playlist. Just follow that link and follow the playlist 827 00:66:34.679 --> 00:66:39.480 and let's know what you think to it. There's a real range of music 828 00:66:39.559 --> 00:66:44.079 there, just from from what we've listed today, everything from electronic, it's 829 00:66:44.079 --> 00:66:47.349 a big sweeping orchestral scores. They I think there's something for everybody on the 830 00:66:47.389 --> 00:66:51.829 playlist. So really hope you'll check it out. Speaking of checking things out, 831 00:66:53.309 --> 00:66:56.190 it's the last thing we're going to do for the episode today. It's 832 00:66:56.230 --> 00:66:59.469 our little bit of an appeal to you. The first thing is, if 833 00:66:59.510 --> 00:67:05.500 you can, and your podcast provider of choice allows you to subscribe, please 834 00:67:05.539 --> 00:67:10.219 subscribe to the podcast. 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Thank you 851 00:68:14.809 --> 00:68:17.449 both so much, and thank you fair listeners, and we'll see you in 852 00:68:17.489 --> 00:68:21.449 another couple of weeks for another monkey see Monthy Review podcast. But the only 853 00:68:21.489 --> 00:68:26.289 thing left for us to do is to say goodbye, goodbye. I love 854 00:68:26.369 --> these