บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ 93: Higher Infinite Power

Adam Curry: I know this I know this. I know this particular 37 00:02:13,290 --> 00:02:16,200 clip. I know this clip it's from this is a journey into sound. Is 38 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,130 it the stereo test? Album? 39 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:24,780 Moe Factz: Yes. And then also from raw Eric being Rakim fame. 40 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,620 Adam Curry: So okay, that's right. I forgot about that. 41 00:02:28,650 --> 00:02:31,590 Because I don't I don't play my Eric being Rakim records that 42 00:02:31,590 --> 00:02:32,340 often anymore. 43 00:02:32,580 --> 00:02:36,240 Moe Factz: So you probably wonder what this all means. What 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,680 this means is this is the long awaited quote unquote Hip Hop 45 00:02:40,710 --> 00:02:47,610 episode episodes. Right? I told you I had a large bucket list of 46 00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:49,560 shows I wanted to get to hold on 47 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,430 Adam Curry: a second. Let me Is this the one? Is this the 48 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:57,630 episode where we find out how an evil small group of men have 49 00:02:57,630 --> 00:03:00,600 completely controlled hip hop to control the inner cities and 50 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:01,530 thus America 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,390 Moe Factz: eventually, but what we have to what we have to do 52 00:03:06,390 --> 00:03:12,210 first is understand what it is they are controlling. I don't 53 00:03:12,210 --> 00:03:14,850 know if you know or know this or not. It's been in the news the 54 00:03:14,850 --> 00:03:17,130 50th anniversary of hip hop. 55 00:03:18,270 --> 00:03:23,130 Adam Curry: Yes, as celebrated by a Jay Z tribute to himself. 56 00:03:25,650 --> 00:03:27,990 Moe Factz: And we have them all over the place. Everybody's 57 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:34,080 taking their part and their song claimed who owns hip hop? Is it 58 00:03:34,110 --> 00:03:40,560 a DA slash FBA is a worldly, who all was involved. What I hope to 59 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:45,210 do is lay out the case of what is once I'll say it again, what 60 00:03:45,210 --> 00:03:49,500 is actually being discussed what is being controlled, and you 61 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:54,150 have to lay out lay a strong foundation. This may assure 62 00:03:54,180 --> 00:04:00,360 there's going to be a multiple episode. Venture. Okay? I'm sure 63 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,160 two maybe three because it's just that dense. But let's go 64 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,270 ahead and get into where it all began and slave songbook. 65 00:04:14,340 --> 00:04:14,970 Unknown: No 66 00:04:16,860 --> 00:04:21,750 1860 There are roughly 4 million enslaved Africans in the United 67 00:04:21,750 --> 00:04:26,580 States forcibly transplanted to a new land. They've brought with 68 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:32,280 them a rich African heritage, including songs against adapted 69 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:35,040 to reflect the experiences of life of hard labor on 70 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,510 plantations. These slave work songs, laments and shouts of 71 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:45,150 protest, evolve into a new musical form, the spiritual, the 72 00:04:45,150 --> 00:04:49,050 spiritual and turn become the wellspring for generations of 73 00:04:49,050 --> 00:04:54,120 musicians who will create the blues, gospel, jazz, and the 74 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,370 protest songs of the 1960s. 75 00:04:58,709 --> 00:05:00,779 Adam Curry: Now if I'm listening to the day Ah, here, it seems 76 00:05:00,779 --> 00:05:02,999 like hip hop is a little older than 50 years Mo 77 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,830 Moe Factz: is very much. Well, hip hop is the latest iteration 78 00:05:08,340 --> 00:05:13,350 of the Negro spiritual. It started there. And as he listed 79 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:19,920 out with the gospel blues, jazz, rock and roll on to a rhythm and 80 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,910 blues, and then hip hop. And that's where we're at with it 81 00:05:23,910 --> 00:05:28,200 right now. And this is it's the power that's being controlled is 82 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,890 trying to be harnessed and control is the same power. 83 00:05:32,430 --> 00:05:35,340 Adam Curry: How was the power? Back in those days? I mean, was 84 00:05:35,340 --> 00:05:40,830 it? Was it power? Was it? Is it comparable to power? Back in the 85 00:05:40,830 --> 00:05:42,900 days of the of the slaves? 86 00:05:43,380 --> 00:05:46,350 Moe Factz: I hope to answer that question as we lay out the show, 87 00:05:46,350 --> 00:05:51,480 but I have to this is just the origin, that there was no 88 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:58,200 instrument at the time that we were the instruments. And I 89 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:03,870 think I would say a hip hop is American, quote, unquote, a das 90 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:08,370 invention, because I believe it's the merging of the English 91 00:06:08,370 --> 00:06:11,910 language, the power that's in it, and itself, we know, this is 92 00:06:11,910 --> 00:06:17,520 a magical spell casting language. And then the rhythm 93 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:23,250 that powered, you know, quote, unquote, paid off people. All 94 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:27,450 right. So let's go ahead and get into the second is just to let 95 00:06:27,450 --> 00:06:32,160 people know, this is a PBS documentary History Detectives. 96 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,380 Let's go and get into the second part, 97 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,150 Unknown: slave songs of the United States. Wow. Published in 98 00:06:39,150 --> 00:06:40,590 1867, you know, 99 00:06:40,590 --> 00:06:43,050 two years after the end of the Civil War? What do you know 100 00:06:43,050 --> 00:06:45,450 about the book? Well, very little, you know, there is 101 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,970 something that caught my attention. And it's in the first 102 00:06:47,970 --> 00:06:50,220 paragraph, if you don't mind, I'd like to read it to you. 103 00:06:50,250 --> 00:06:53,490 Okay. The musical capacity of the Negro race has been 104 00:06:53,490 -->

00:06:57,090 recognized for so many years that it is hard to explain why 105 00:06:57,090 --> 00:07:00,930 no systematic effort has hitherto been made to collect 106 00:07:00,930 --> 00:07:04,320 and preserve their melodies. And it got me to thinking could this 107 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,450 be the first book of Negro spirituals published in the 108 00:07:06,450 --> 00:07:07,410 United States? 109 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,930 And that would be a really interesting thing sounds like 110 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:11,850 that. That's your question. In fact, well, that's 111 00:07:11,849 --> 00:07:15,209 one of my questions. And then I also want to know, you know, who 112 00:07:15,209 --> 00:07:18,419 were the people who collected this music, you know, what was 113 00:07:18,419 --> 00:07:19,679 their motivation? This is 114 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,320 a really fascinating story, and I'm ready to get going. Okay, 115 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,040 fantastic. 116 00:07:24,660 --> 00:07:26,940 Adam Curry: I love their script. While this is a great story, 117 00:07:26,940 --> 00:07:27,630 okay, let's 118 00:07:27,630 --> 00:07:28,140 Unknown: go, Oh, 119 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:31,109 Adam Curry: we're doing some more casual here. 120 00:07:31,949 --> 00:07:36,419 Moe Factz: As they alluded to, it's the power that's behind it. 121 00:07:36,599 --> 00:07:39,959 And I don't know if you notice, in our very many people know 122 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:46,709 this. Hip hop is an acronym for higher infinite powers, helping 123 00:07:46,739 --> 00:07:47,489 our people. 124 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,600 Adam Curry: Okay, no, I didn't know that. And I'm surprised 125 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,670 actually, I never knew it was an acronym. 126 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,510 Moe Factz: Yes. Or, I don't know if that's the genesis. The 127 00:07:57,510 --> 00:08:02,610 Genesis is a hip hop. It comes from hip which hip means cool, 128 00:08:02,820 --> 00:08:06,750 which goes back, we got to look at the hippies plan to that, you 129 00:08:06,750 --> 00:08:11,040 know, we're cutting the beat mix. And this is episode was 130 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,600 impossible. Because there were so many rabbit. There was so 131 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,050 many rabbit holes that you can go down where these terminology 132 00:08:19,050 --> 00:08:23,130 came from. But it was later to be understood. That's what it 133 00:08:23,130 --> 00:08:28,260 stood for. And that's what I hope to lay out and needs. At 134 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:32,910 least two episodes, this is the higher infinite power part. What 135 00:08:32,910 --> 00:08:37,740 is that power? And you have to ask yourself is well, what makes 136 00:08:37,740 --> 00:08:40,770 quote unquote, black people so influential throughout the 137 00:08:40,770 --> 00:08:42,390 world, is that power? 138 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,400 Adam Curry: Well, this is this is the right question. I don't 139 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,270 know the answer. 140 00:08:49,740 --> 00:08:52,740 Moe Factz: So that's what we had to get into the Grand move along 141 00:08:52,770 --> 00:08:53,700 into Part Three 142 00:08:53,790 --> 00:08:56,490 Unknown: to the enslaved African. What did the songs 143 00:08:56,490 --> 00:08:56,730 mean? 144 00:08:57,450 --> 00:09:01,740 The songs were everything he had to sing about his condition. 145 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,850 being sold his family being separated, he had to sing to 146 00:09:05,850 --> 00:09:07,440 keep his plain metal bearing. 147 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:11,520 He tells me that plantation owners often forced enslaved 148 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,950 Africans to attend church to hear the message of 149 00:09:13,950 --> 00:09:18,240 Christianity, a message that missionaries carefully tailored 150 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:23,790 to justify slavery. But the enslaved men and women took this 151 00:09:23,790 --> 00:09:28,110 new language and created their own spirituals songs that often 152 00:09:28,110 --> 00:09:32,400 contain coded meanings, bringing messages of hope, and sometimes 153 00:09:32,670 --> 00:09:33,690 visions of escape 154 00:09:40,410 --> 00:09:43,140 Adam Curry: Alright, just just because I like doing show notes, 155 00:09:43,830 --> 00:09:48,780 and I went and looked up in the in a dictionary hip hop. Already 156 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:51,240 these acronyms have been captured. Listen to this 157 00:09:51,330 --> 00:09:54,420 homeless and indigenous population health outreach 158 00:09:54,420 --> 00:09:59,430 project, and healthy individual people helping other people. Oh, 159 00:09:59,430 --> 00:10:03,270 there you go. Don't forget your higher power is for homeless. 160 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,530 Moe Factz: Well, that that is a microcosm of what I'm talking 161 00:10:07,530 --> 00:10:09,060 about the harnessing 162 00:10:09,929 --> 00:10:13,139 Adam Curry: that power Yeah, I got you. 163 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:16,590 Moe Factz: And we're gonna just to do a little foreshadowing the 164 00:10:16,590 --> 00:10:21,870 call and response, the chance at these units you've documented 165 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:25,590 over the years. That is part of 166 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,460 Adam Curry: and I love that eventually we're gonna get into 167 00:10:29,460 --> 00:10:32,700 a part where I was actually a part of it of of the 168 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:33,930 mainstreaming of hip hop, 169 00:10:34,410 --> 00:10:38,130 Moe Factz: right? Oh yes. But that's why I could have started 170 00:10:38,130 --> 00:10:40,500 it there. But oh no, no 171 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:41,430 Unknown: no no no no I 172 00:10:41,730 --> 00:10:43,740 Moe Factz: always when you lay the bed raw, you know the 173 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:47,430 foundation and and make a lot more sense. And speaking of 174 00:10:47,430 --> 00:10:51,570 laying the foundation and bedrock, we have to go back to 175 00:10:51,570 --> 00:10:56,940 Episode 22 dream machine. And this is the

spirituals being no 176 00:10:56,940 --> 00:11:00,540 no, before I'm jumping a little ahead. No, you know what, let's 177 00:11:00,540 --> 00:11:04,980 do that. Let's do that. And then we'll go back to number five. 178 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,110 Adam Curry: Okay, here we go. This is the Highlander school 179 00:11:07,110 --> 00:11:07,380 song. 180 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,540 Unknown: It was in the civil rights struggle that Highlander 181 00:11:09,540 --> 00:11:14,490 became most famous and famous for a song. How that happened is 182 00:11:14,490 --> 00:11:18,540 a textbook example of Highlander working exactly the way it was 183 00:11:18,540 --> 00:11:22,800 designed. From the start, the Civil Rights Movement had songs, 184 00:11:22,890 --> 00:11:28,170 lots of songs, but it didn't have a song, one unifying and 185 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,590 irresistible anthem that not only said who they were, but 186 00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:35,100 that musically expressed all their hope, determination and 187 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:39,510 spirit Septima Clark, Pete Seeger and a new young staffer 188 00:11:39,510 --> 00:11:42,540 named Guy Carol and began adapting and old him turned 189 00:11:42,540 --> 00:11:46,620 labor song that Sylvia love to sing, the word will was changed 190 00:11:46,620 --> 00:11:50,730 to shall some verses were fitted to the new movements, goals, and 191 00:11:50,730 --> 00:11:54,270 the tempo was changed so people could march to it better. It 192 00:11:54,270 --> 00:11:57,660 became, we shall overcome. We 193 00:11:57,660 --> 00:12:03,120 shall overcome. Deep in my heart, I do believe we shall 194 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:03,750 overcome. 195 00:12:05,340 --> 00:12:06,480 Adam Curry: Now you rang your bell? 196 00:12:07,620 --> 00:12:10,740 Moe Factz: Yeah, that I will just explain that we have many 197 00:12:10,740 --> 00:12:15,060 songs. But as you just laid out with the hijack in the 198 00:12:15,060 --> 00:12:20,130 afternoons, they picked this one song, remixed it. So it's 199 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:27,060 easier, easier to march to evey activation in itself. I mean, 200 00:12:27,060 --> 00:12:31,080 what is it? And I would like to bring up one example, in modern 201 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:35,760 life in recent hit. Well, in current events, this North 202 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,200 Richmond song, yeah, yeah, you see how a single song can 203 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,040 inspire people, or ignite something within people. Now, I 204 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,100 gotta be honest, the sound didn't resonate with me. And 205 00:12:47,850 --> 00:12:51,780 that it is what it is. But I can understand how music can 206 00:12:51,780 --> 00:12:55,950 resonate to certain people based on their frequency. And I think 207 00:12:55,950 --> 00:12:59,580 they have a lot to do with this power things. Well, based on a 208 00:12:59,580 --> 00:13:00,540 frequency thing, 209 00:13:01,169 --> 00:13:04,079 Adam Curry: and let me just hone in on that right down to the 210 00:13:04,079 --> 00:13:08,399 instrument used. It's a frequency that resonates with a 211 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:13,889 certain certain population of people. Just like, you know, the 212 00:13:13,889 --> 00:13:16,979 808 may, it may resonate differently with different 213 00:13:16,979 --> 00:13:21,989 people. So you're absolutely and also this was a, this was a 214 00:13:21,989 --> 00:13:22,919 visual hit. 215 00:13:24,299 --> 00:13:25,049 Moe Factz: Yes, you know, 216 00:13:25,049 --> 00:13:26,759 Adam Curry: that's, that's there's an important difference 217 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:35,759 there. And it's amazing, it actually reminds me of early or 218 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:40,109 for me, early hip hop in the late 80s, when hip hop was seen, 219 00:13:40,109 --> 00:13:45,419 as you know, the hood CNN. And this is kind of like rural 220 00:13:45,419 --> 00:13:49,289 America, CNN is like, hello, look at me, let me tell you 221 00:13:49,289 --> 00:13:50,909 what's going on out here. 222 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,060 Moe Factz: And this may be the motive for why they're trying to 223 00:13:54,060 --> 00:14:00,780 hijack these movements because your your quote, unquote, their 224 00:14:00,780 --> 00:14:04,680 cultural revolutionaries are not going to come from upper middle 225 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:08,880 class or rich. They're going to come from where you get an 226 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,600 understanding, and then you can voice it in a certain way. So 227 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:12,870 people 228 00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:15,150 Adam Curry: were talking about this guy like he was Bob Dylan 229 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:18,330 in the 60s, you know that and I think to a degree, it's now 230 00:14:18,330 --> 00:14:22,590 short, we have a much shorter attention span. But at home it 231 00:14:22,590 --> 00:14:26,040 really it was so good. That right away, it's like, we have 232 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,550 to serve as videos. This guy's a shill. He's no good. He's 233 00:14:29,550 --> 00:14:33,270 controlled opposition. A lot of stuff went in there all of a 234 00:14:33,270 --> 00:14:33,630 sudden, 235 00:14:33,930 --> 00:14:38,310 Moe Factz: that's the hip hop keeping it real easy, real easy, 236 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:42,630 really real. Are you industry plant. All of this when the term 237 00:14:42,630 --> 00:14:46,770 keeping it real? That's what it meant. Is it did it come from, 238 00:14:47,460 --> 00:14:50,700 you know, the authentic place they're speaking about or is it 239 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,620 industry is it corporate? Right? And we're, as we get down the 240 00:14:55,620 --> 00:15:01,080 show, it will make it will be crystallized. Hopefully But now 241 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:07,710 let's go back. And I was I was speaking about the dual nature 242 00:15:07,710 --> 00:15:11,100 of the English language and how big thing hip hop is the double 243 00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:18,450 entendre or the or the mythical,

triple entendre, which very few 244 00:15:18,450 --> 00:15:23,910 people can pull off, but it's been done. But number five will 245 00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:27,030 speak more. The double meaning and the negro spiritual. 246 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,080 Unknown: The words we're saying, have have a double meaning. So 247 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,350 anytime you hear anything about traveling shoes, or chariots a 248 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:39,000 wheels, somebody's getting ready to run. And so you take a negro 249 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:39,750 spiritual 250 00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:55,920 Swing low, sweet cherry. Common for to carry me sweet. Oh, 251 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:59,430 sweetie che very 252 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:08,070 common for to carry me home. That chair it is movement, that 253 00:16:08,070 --> 00:16:11,190 chair to swing and low picking you up, putting you on that 254 00:16:11,190 --> 00:16:14,700 Underground Railroad, taking you somewhere to freedom. So when we 255 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:17,670 sing those songs, it's like, something's getting ready to 256 00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:21,390 happen. So I looked over Jordan, and what did I see Jordan? That 257 00:16:21,390 --> 00:16:25,410 was metaphor for the Ohio River. A band of angels coming after 258 00:16:25,410 --> 00:16:28,470 me. Those common those those conductors coming to help you 259 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:31,680 common for us to carry me home. So they had all kinds of little 260 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,950 messages. And the slave master would hear a singing a song that 261 00:16:34,950 --> 00:16:38,310 don't they sound pretty happy tonight. Next day, two or three 262 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:40,740 people go, because we put that message out. 263 00:16:41,339 --> 00:16:45,239 Adam Curry: Oh my god, this is great. This is a masterclass you 264 00:16:45,239 --> 00:16:48,239 picking all the all the bells, this is fantastic. Of course, 265 00:16:48,449 --> 00:16:51,689 everyone knows everyone in America knows this song, I would 266 00:16:51,689 --> 00:16:55,889 hope. And you can kind of think about it. But man, she just put 267 00:16:55,889 --> 00:16:58,859 it in like 60 seconds, she put it all together there for us. I 268 00:16:58,859 --> 00:16:59,489 love that. 269 00:16:59,850 --> 00:17:02,040 Moe Factz: And then we're transferring information, 270 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,740 meaningful information back and forth. You know, to people I was 271 00:17:07,740 --> 00:17:11,820 about to head north. You know, and you knew what that meant, 272 00:17:11,820 --> 00:17:17,520 and you'll be gone. And as I was doing my research, the racism, 273 00:17:18,030 --> 00:17:22,560 creativity you put into racism just amazes me sometimes. 274 00:17:23,190 --> 00:17:28,050 Because I felt this racial slur called the moon cricket, the 275 00:17:28,050 --> 00:17:31,800 moon cricket. Yes, this is a racial slur for black people. 276 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,930 And I'm going to show you how we put so much energy in doing the 277 00:17:36,930 --> 00:17:42,630 wrong thing. That it's funny, but it's not funny at the same 278 00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:48,660 time, because what it meant was is the basis of this very act of 279 00:17:48,660 --> 00:17:53,280 singing at night. They will hear slaves saying it at night. And 280 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,730 that's what they call Moon Creek, us be known to the slave 281 00:17:56,730 --> 00:18:00,480 master that your property is about to head up out of here. 282 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:07,200 But it's just amazing that the US putting our energy into the 283 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,260 wrong thing that he is I had to share it because he's gave me a 284 00:18:10,260 --> 00:18:12,720 shot of light. But it's almost astonishing 285 00:18:13,020 --> 00:18:15,660 Adam Curry: level of racism, which is basically the N word. 286 00:18:17,010 --> 00:18:20,490 Moe Factz: Well, what I was saying is, you have the option, 287 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,680 but they have to get more creative with it. It just 288 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,540 baffles me I just I thought I'll share that. But, um, so this is 289 00:18:30,750 --> 00:18:35,880 Reverend Velma Thomas. And you can hear, as they say, in the 290 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,580 church, and we're gonna go to church here for a little bit in 291 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:42,960 a minute. The anointing on her voice you can hear in her voice 292 00:18:42,990 --> 00:18:45,900 is that certain thing that resonates? I don't know if it 293 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:47,850 resonates with you or not? Because like I say, Well, I 294 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:49,590 think we're all tuned to different frequencies 295 00:18:49,620 --> 00:18:52,440 Adam Curry: when she's saying when she's singing, right? Oh, 296 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:54,840 well, it resonates in me as a human being. 297 00:18:55,770 --> 00:18:59,160 Moe Factz: Of course, but I'm saying like the same way that 298 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,750 North Irishmen didn't resonate with me. I was like cool song 299 00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:07,410 but it isn't the frequency. I'm not saying the message or 300 00:19:07,410 --> 00:19:11,820 whatever. It's their frequency that does didn't register with 301 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:16,680 me to my ears the way their tone, right like, what were her 302 00:19:18,270 --> 00:19:23,370 is the certain tenor and her voice. That is in the church 303 00:19:23,370 --> 00:19:28,320 they call it Nora in in modern day they call it drip. Is that 304 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,220 thing that makes you go from kin sang to consign insane 305 00:19:34,830 --> 00:19:36,420 Adam Curry: I got you I got you of course. Oh, 306 00:19:36,420 --> 00:19:38,670 Moe Factz: just Okay, so number six. 307 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:50,970 Unknown: We talked about waiting no water. wait and wait, Wade, 308 00:19:51,210 --> 00:19:58,620 Wade Wade wade in the water, because God's gonna trouble the 309 00:19:58,620 --> 00:20:01,290 Whoa

Oops, we 310 00:20:01,289 --> 00:20:04,379 stepped in that water because the dogs can't pick up your sin. 311 00:20:05,639 --> 00:20:08,609 We had all these songs that said it's time to move, it's time to 312 00:20:08,609 --> 00:20:11,789 go by the waterways time to follow the Northstar. It's time 313 00:20:11,789 --> 00:20:14,549 to start looking, it's time to start traveling. It's time to 314 00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:16,979 start getting ready to cross over that Jordan into freedom. 315 00:20:17,459 --> 00:20:21,089 Steal away to Jesus all gone to heaven. No. 316 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:31,890 Still away home. I ain't God alone to stay here. So 317 00:20:31,890 --> 00:20:34,830 we still the way to Jesus, we still the way to freedom. But it 318 00:20:34,830 --> 00:20:38,130 sounds like we're just talking about a life in the hereafter. 319 00:20:38,130 --> 00:20:40,290 But we're talking about a life in the here and now. 320 00:20:41,010 --> 00:20:44,490 Adam Curry: You know, I realized that in all the racism that's 321 00:20:44,490 --> 00:20:47,850 discussed in, in the in our country in the United States on 322 00:20:47,850 --> 00:20:52,530 it seems like a daily basis. This part of slavery is really 323 00:20:52,530 --> 00:20:57,390 not discussed much at all. It's always about the bad master and 324 00:20:57,420 --> 00:21:00,990 how horrible it was and, and Building America on the back of 325 00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:04,080 the slaves. But this does not just It does to me, at least if 326 00:21:04,110 --> 00:21:08,190 thinking over the past 510 years, there's not been a lot of 327 00:21:08,190 --> 00:21:13,440 talk about the Underground Railroad and, and the escape and 328 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,110 what that was like and how beautiful it really was. 329 00:21:18,030 --> 00:21:21,630 Moe Factz: And mess. In my opinion, that's purposely done. 330 00:21:22,050 --> 00:21:28,320 Because you don't want to have people be inspired. This like 331 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,770 this is the whole reason for the hijacking of the music and 332 00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:39,660 culture. Because I'll have to do this. But J Edgar Hoover is 333 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:43,770 known for saying first of all, yes, I'm gonna show hiding 334 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:44,100 black. 335 00:21:45,450 --> 00:21:47,550 Adam Curry: I was gonna say we all know he's black. We all know 336 00:21:47,550 --> 00:21:48,180 he's a brother. 337 00:21:48,930 --> 00:21:52,650 Moe Factz: The self hating black man, J Edgar Hoover allegedly, 338 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:58,140 um, was known as being very cautious and conscious of this 339 00:21:58,140 --> 00:22:03,330 black Messiah figure that was going to raise up have the ear 340 00:22:03,330 --> 00:22:07,950 of the people Obama tapped in this a little bit. And spider. 341 00:22:08,430 --> 00:22:12,210 So they constantly and when I say they capital, they are 342 00:22:12,210 --> 00:22:18,630 constantly manipulating controlling inspecting to assure

343 00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:23,760 is two pathways. Either you do academics, if you show yourself 344 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,730 to be highly intelligent, we'll capture you make you one that 345 00:22:26,730 --> 00:22:30,390 talented 10th send you off to Iowa, the school and now you're 346 00:22:30,420 --> 00:22:34,980 not a threat as discussed the trick baby. Right? Yeah. But for 347 00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:39,420 those that stay in poverty in that area, there's two other 348 00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:42,570 paths is sports, you know, you're physically gifted. And 349 00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:46,470 now it'll be a railroad to D one school and we'll isolate you. 350 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:51,390 And now there's one more piece of the pie left. That's the one 351 00:22:51,390 --> 00:22:55,770 that that can see on their way out. They have the talent, the 352 00:22:55,770 --> 00:23:00,270 charisma, they have the ear, the people. They said we can't let 353 00:23:00,270 --> 00:23:05,370 we got to control that. Because as you you've seen the guy with 354 00:23:05,370 --> 00:23:10,380 his guitar, and a camera and a microphone inspire people to 355 00:23:10,380 --> 00:23:16,020 feel something now we live in a short time window where stuff 356 00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:18,360 goes viral didn't falls out it to the wayside. Have 357 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:22,170 Adam Curry: you seen any of the remixes of that song have 358 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,460 because that that's what I thought was hip hop esque. It's 359 00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:30,060 like hold on a second. Now we got guys, we got we got white 360 00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:34,950 guys in in the farmlands rapping over over this song. And that to 361 00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:36,870 me was what was really exciting about it. I 362 00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:39,600 Moe Factz: wish they had to do that because they had to 363 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,740 resonate with a certain demographic. Yeah. And you saw 364 00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:46,980 this even in hip hop's southern hip hop was totally different 365 00:23:46,980 --> 00:23:50,940 frequency than northern hip hop and West Coast hip hop. So I 366 00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:55,560 mean, it's either an intra group, as I like to say, if you 367 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,740 have any different frequencies that it just doesn't register, 368 00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:04,530 but fast forwarding to this control mechanism. It goes all 369 00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:09,870 the way back to slavery, per Judge Joe Brown, and he was 370 00:24:09,870 --> 00:24:11,220 speaking on this phenomenon 371 00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:15,570 Unknown: within an inch. Not so much because it was very early, 372 00:24:15,570 --> 00:24:21,540 but later on, the slave masters were instructed to go in with 373 00:24:21,570 --> 00:24:27,660 their fellow slave owners and buy a steroid. There was a 374 00:24:27,660 --> 00:24:33,240 peculiar attribute they wanted this to happen. They also wanted 375 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:39,810 him to make a good preacher. So make the stood preacher and 376 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:46,830 allow slave marriage. So the slave male would find out that 377 00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:53,220 when his female wife, well, his wife was believed to be in heat. 378 00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:59,160 Does slave masters would bring over the stud preacher to sleep 379 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:05,790 with his wife often on his palette in his home. Wow, that 380 00:25:05,790 --> 00:25:09,270 would do what now would be called demoralizing him. 381 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,630 Adam Curry: I love the little comment today. Ah, wow. Yeah. 382 00:25:16,170 --> 00:25:18,390 Moe Factz: This is how the plant type this was plantation 383 00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:19,650 policies. Go ahead. No, 384 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:22,380 Adam Curry: that's exactly right. It's like this is the 385 00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:25,770 real if you really want to understand what's going on, this 386 00:25:25,770 --> 00:25:28,320 is the stuff that's going on. We all know about the clippings and 387 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,630 the koonta Kente and the beatings and all this but I love 388 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:33,300 this because now you're getting into the into what it was really 389 00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:36,960 like in fact, you are tuning my frequency Hermo I like it. 390 00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:40,620 Moe Factz: And it's still like because the same way to enhance 391 00:25:40,620 --> 00:25:45,630 Thurs back then they have athletes and celebrities now 392 00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:49,830 you're LL Cool J's of the world. And what I mean by the quote 393 00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:51,810 unquote, sports world, 394 00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:54,510 Adam Curry: oh, man, you're gonna pick on him. 395 00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:58,080 Moe Factz: Know what I'm saying is the fact that he was able to 396 00:25:58,140 --> 00:26:04,350 start in the early 80s and maintain this lane of being the 397 00:26:04,350 --> 00:26:10,050 Fit hip guy, you know, do capable i Well, I mean, one of 398 00:26:10,050 --> 00:26:11,250 the top rappers there is 399 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,740 Adam Curry: he worked I think we've talked about him before 400 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:19,320 that he would be up at 1775 Broadway in my MTV days and we 401 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,390 walk in and then we had a it was for executives, you know, the 402 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:28,230 whatever the 15th floor, and there's a you know, like an 403 00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:31,320 executive kind of waiting room where you'd wait until you were 404 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,770 called LL Cool. J would be up there all the time. Of all he 405 00:26:34,770 --> 00:26:37,950 would always have meetings with the executives, he worked it and 406 00:26:37,950 --> 00:26:42,090 so I gotta put props on his name for that he really worked it. 407 00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:44,970 Moe Factz: No, no, what I'm saying is no, he's one of the 408 00:26:44,970 -->

00:26:48,090 best and you you can make an argument for him being the 409 00:26:48,090 --> 00:26:52,200 actual goal of rapping for longevity not in my book, but 410 00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:58,500 it's a case to be made. My issue is that he was sold as the buff 411 00:26:58,890 --> 00:27:03,570 rapper you know 50 cent the same way yeah, this this is a just a 412 00:27:03,570 --> 00:27:08,310 reiteration of this quote unquote stood that you know, 413 00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:13,740 this physical behemoth and this at the same time was had a set 414 00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:20,610 skill of mastering words. Yeah. Yeah, so and is known. You see 415 00:27:20,610 --> 00:27:24,510 even in churches all in our religious groups all around the 416 00:27:24,510 --> 00:27:29,700 world that God has the people ear has an inroad to women 417 00:27:32,460 --> 00:27:35,010 looking to preachers and how they always fall to some kind of 418 00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:35,580 sexual 419 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,730 Adam Curry: How does Reverend I'll do it though I'm I'm 420 00:27:38,730 --> 00:27:41,280 surprised Oh, well. 421 00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:47,100 Moe Factz: Oh, move past though. Maybe we will get back to the 422 00:27:47,130 --> 00:27:50,040 river owl at a later date because he does plan to this as 423 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:56,310 well. But these words this mastering of words, some a lot 424 00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:59,100 of people, black preachers in the world what have we got from 425 00:27:59,190 --> 00:28:02,640 negro spirituals to preachers? preachers are their original 426 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,600 AMSI I mean, literally, you know, saying that's master the 427 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:13,140 ceremony? Yeah. Um, so you wonder to most people, it sounds 428 00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:16,710 like a bunch of hollerin and whatever else No, there's a 429 00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:22,500 sweet science to actually what they call hoping and this is 430 00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:25,560 Reverend Jasper Williams, and he gonna break down the science to 431 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,300 you in three parts. This is the first part 432 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,160 Unknown: and the law says Sol sol, sol sol, sol sol, sol, sol, 433 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,200 sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol. 434 00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:40,500 Sol, 435 00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:50,190 and you're ready to move now. But you've been going up until 436 00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:56,280 the time you ain't got nowhere else to go. So you start strain 437 00:29:00,390 --> 00:29:06,360 All right now no reflection that Evie is a master at his own art 438 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:13,950 in his own way. But you notice Evie, Evie? Hallelujah 439 00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:24,690 EV can go up No. All right, because he's not a naturally 440 00:29:24,690 --> 00:29:29,850 gifted reacher. What I detected about myself was 441 00:29:30,180 --> 00:29:30,660 when I go 442 00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:41,190 what I had to do was talk my

way back. 443 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,689 Adam Curry: This is this is very interesting. This is anyone 444 00:29:45,689 --> 00:29:49,619 who's been on stage with a microphone knows that when you 445 00:29:49,619 --> 00:29:51,839 have a group of people and you're able to capture their 446 00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:56,759 attention, you can you can vary just with words and just with 447 00:29:56,789 --> 00:30:00,569 your your rhythm and the tone. You can you can manipulate, 448 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,079 manipulate, you can, you can move the people, like the 449 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:09,029 simplest one is everybody happy. I said is everybody, any on 450 00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:15,689 today's DJs, you get a TFS, Delta drop. It's all the same 451 00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:19,109 thing, people that resonate with that. But this, of course, is a 452 00:30:19,139 --> 00:30:20,429 very specific skill. 453 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,110 Moe Factz: And it's capturing I think the word best fits as your 454 00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:28,800 capture the audience, they're locked in with you. They're, 455 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,060 they're on the same beat as you because you got to have a beat 456 00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:36,690 to hell call and response. And you hear the whole time as he's 457 00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:40,740 doing. And he's just doing so and so SO and SO SO and SO. But 458 00:30:40,740 --> 00:30:45,660 the feeling and him running up that scales, it takes the people 459 00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:48,900 up emotionally. And this is that frequency I'm talking about 460 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:53,190 because some people might not feel it. But their voices are 461 00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:59,460 tuned to a certain frequency and a certain rhythm that inspires 462 00:30:59,460 --> 00:31:02,610 that color response. And in wanting to make people 463 00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:07,230 understand that this is not, oh, just get up, start yelling, 464 00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:11,070 whatever. No, this is years and years and years of practice. The 465 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:18,150 reason why I know is I mean, I grew up with going to a Baptist 466 00:31:18,150 --> 00:31:23,970 church, that the Reverend was a very, I was the, I think the 467 00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:29,730 dean of seminary at Duke University. You see, I'm saying 468 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,200 like this man at my table. Yeah. So I have my family. 469 00:31:34,649 --> 00:31:37,229 Adam Curry: I have a little bit of exposure to it as a new 470 00:31:37,229 --> 00:31:41,669 Christian art. Our church is a Bible Church, but it is inspired 471 00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:45,479 on Baptist churches. And from time to time we'll have a 472 00:31:45,479 --> 00:31:48,899 visiting pastor, there's a das Pastor, I forget where he comes 473 00:31:48,899 --> 00:31:52,889 from. And Matt, he grabs people, and everyone's always happy when 474 00:31:52,889 --> 00:31:55,319 he shows up like, oh, okay, this is gonna be exciting. It's gonna

475 00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,229 be something new. And he has that rhythm. And he's able to, 476 00:31:58,259 --> 00:32:01,019 he's able to do it with white people, too. Yeah, 477 00:32:01,110 --> 00:32:05,670 Unknown: it's one time. And so the last song, so songs Oh, and 478 00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:10,890 he went on and you see, and he came on down, the Lord said, and 479 00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:17,820 I will go on down my brother and my sister. And so and so song. 480 00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:26,700 So I'm where I want to be see, because I've found my key. All 481 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:32,340 right now. Now, what does this mean? Since I've found where my 482 00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:38,580 tune is most comfortable that it means simply this, that if I met 483 00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:41,880 the key white one, and I'm tuning good, because I'm relaxed 484 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:47,640 down here, it means that if I can go nowhere else, I can at 485 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:53,340 least go back to where I was. Because I was in any way you 486 00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:54,750 want. You can go back to it. 487 00:32:56,970 --> 00:33:01,830 Moe Factz: Cool. Two points I want to make I left the room for 488 00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:05,670 you to make it just in case you caught. Do you know where? Where 489 00:33:05,670 --> 00:33:08,610 you've heard this before? This is Hillary Clinton. 490 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:12,270 Adam Curry: Oh, it's funny, has 491 00:33:12,270 --> 00:33:15,300 Moe Factz: no ways tie it. That's what she was trying to 492 00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:15,480 do. 493 00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:19,110 Adam Curry: No more. Yeah. Right. Which we call it what 494 00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:21,300 code switching? Right? But 495 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,120 Moe Factz: this is the science that she was trying to tap into. 496 00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:29,070 And Obama slightly does it. You know, he does it just enough to 497 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,120 tune you know, he's what they call a tuner. He's not a Hooper. 498 00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:36,720 And it's different category that we're going here because this is 499 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,120 the different flows this in hip hop. 500 00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:43,440 Adam Curry: Ah, actually, while I was listening to that, you 501 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,290 know what sprung to mind. Of course, Hillary makes sense. 502 00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:52,020 When Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall in their movies, they do 503 00:33:52,050 --> 00:33:54,870 they do they do a take off of a preacher. 504 00:33:55,770 --> 00:34:02,190 Moe Factz: Yeah, though. I'm coming to America. Yes. Yeah. 505 00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:05,760 That's a pageant at the beauty. I was like, it was like a beauty 506 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,640 pageant. A fundraiser. Yeah. And just another recent phenomenon. 507 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,510 Remember the kid in Tennessee with the big afro. And he gave 508 00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:20,160 that code sweet speak. They got everybody all round up. It was a 509 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,000 black kid. Oh, 510 00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:28,380 Adam Curry: yeah. When he was in, in the state senate. Yes. 511 00:34:28,410 --> 00:34:31,830 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. All of a sudden, this is this. 512 00:34:32,010 --> 00:34:33,450 Right. Right. Right. 513 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:38,520 Moe Factz: So it's a it's a very powerful science. And I just 514 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,150 want I'm what I'm trying to do is I'm trivialize it, and if 515 00:34:42,150 --> 00:34:44,910 people understand the power of spoken word, then they will 516 00:34:44,910 --> 00:34:49,200 understand using this manner, they will understand what is the 517 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,720 power of hip hop and why it has to be correct. Okay. All right. 518 00:34:54,750 --> 00:34:55,890 This is the final part three. 519 00:34:56,100 --> 00:35:00,990 Unknown: So since I'm down here now, the law says Han Solo songs 520 00:35:00,990 --> 00:35:08,190 Oh songs back to where it was and 9.9 tenths of the time 521 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:10,500 because I went down and got to tune 522 00:35:16,590 --> 00:35:20,040 Adam Curry: James Brown James Brown right there jailed waiting 523 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,260 for Sol 524 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:32,670 Unknown: Sol. So in essence what I'm telling you is this when you 525 00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:36,900 go up to the bottom of your assignment if you have found 526 00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:40,110 person that can shift and not naturally gifted and maybe some 527 00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:45,240 of us who are gifted in may have the gift to even be most of what 528 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:51,150 you do is go up to that point all the loud and hard and drive 529 00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:57,810 all you want. But when time to tune, talk your way back down to 530 00:35:57,810 --> 00:36:05,970 where you comfortable level off and when time to holla you can 531 00:36:05,970 --> 00:36:09,180 you can you know you go with ease, go back to where you were. 532 00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:16,200 And because you will last more than likely you can't hide. And 533 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,780 Adam Curry: what was the context of this moment? Because I love 534 00:36:21,810 --> 00:36:23,580 Oh, I love this what was it from 535 00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:27,660 Moe Factz: this was a seminary seminary seminar. Those are 536 00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:31,080 other preachers in the room. Okay, that he was instructing 537 00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:35,400 you know, all school because he got like the white folding pad. 538 00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:41,460 It was in the marker showing you how to go on the scale it but 539 00:36:43,170 --> 00:36:49,080 this is what rap keeps saying about how the drill at home. 540 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:52,410 When you hear these people rapping in the bars coming out 541 00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:57,720 of their mouth. It's registering with the same magnitude got it 542 00:36:57,750 -->

00:37:00,060 different in different manner, but same magnitude. 543 00:37:00,090 --> 00:37:05,070 Adam Curry: How do you think that that is? Because it's 544 00:37:05,070 --> 00:37:09,480 cultural? Or is it truly embedded in the human the 545 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,250 resonance to these frequencies? 546 00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:16,080 Moe Factz: I think we're all on different timings. Because when 547 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,820 you go around the world, Chinese music moves on a different time 548 00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:21,960 signature. Yeah. 549 00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:28,290 Adam Curry: No, I remember being in Thailand. I was in a state of 550 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,350 doing a documentary and at a hill tribe up near the Burmese 551 00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:34,800 border. And it's basically all only the women the men are all 552 00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:39,480 zonked out in the opium den. And at night, they you know, they 553 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,210 say, oh, we'll do it. We'll do our special festival party for 554 00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:47,190 you. And, and so and they had this rhythm and dance, I could 555 00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:51,030 not get into their rhythm. And they'd laugh at me like, Oh, 556 00:37:51,090 --> 00:37:54,210 don't you feel it? Like no, it was really weird. It's a 557 00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:55,770 different timing completely different. 558 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:02,430 Moe Factz: Well look, the same thing with us. You know, what's 559 00:38:02,430 --> 00:38:07,470 the South American music Samba? I think it is also salsa, you 560 00:38:07,470 --> 00:38:10,680 know? I think it's another one too. Well, I mean, just the 561 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,480 rhythms are different. And if you're not on that time, timing, 562 00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:19,320 it's just impossible to catch. And now I think we all have a 563 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,640 unique timing Terrassa now you can train yourself. All this can 564 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,330 be learned. I'm not saying it's you know, it's exclusive to 565 00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:30,660 certain groups of people. And it can't be learned. Because if you 566 00:38:30,660 --> 00:38:34,500 notice on American Idol, everybody comes out they're 567 00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:39,750 singing with r&b Ah, twinge to their voice. 568 00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:42,690 Adam Curry: Been a while since I've watched American Idol. I'll 569 00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:45,930 be honest with you, but I can see what you're saying. 570 00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:49,320 Moe Factz: Even in the inception of it, you know, it was this 571 00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:54,330 what they called blue eyes. So I'm Justin Timberlake listen to 572 00:38:54,330 --> 00:38:57,090 this a little bit in our cars when he went from instinct to 573 00:38:57,090 --> 00:39:02,160 the solo career totally, totally. I mean, cooling the 574 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,460 gang row a lot of songs from him. So he it's the same things 575 00:39:05,460 -->

00:39:09,150 that timing, The Rolling Stones they picked up off Muddy Waters 576 00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:14,280 and Howlin Wolf and all those it can be learned. But with all I 577 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,150 say that when you start learning other people's stuff, it becomes 578 00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:21,240 commercialized and it washes out. It's kind of like what 579 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,120 maklumat say you put too much milk in the coffee. And what do 580 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,570 you have? And I think that's what we have mainstream music. 581 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,810 And as a quick aside, it's one when I heard you doing your new 582 00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:35,820 show. Music 583 00:39:35,850 --> 00:39:36,750 Adam Curry: Mr. Graham ball. 584 00:39:36,779 --> 00:39:45,719 Moe Factz: Yes. It's like in the separate dear. This was 77777 585 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,940 Adam Curry: deputies. Seven deputies. 586 00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:49,530 Moe Factz: Yes, serendipitous. 587 00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:52,380 Adam Curry: There we go. We got two of us. We'll get there. 588 00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:53,370 We'll get 589 00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:59,700 Moe Factz: the actual we'll see there. It was like this exactly. 590 00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:04,110 One time Going about it's amazing that you hadn't had no 591 00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:08,040 clear doing that. And you had no clue I was doing this show 592 00:40:08,070 --> 00:40:13,590 mystery shows where it lines up because it's the freedom to let 593 00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:16,980 people choose. You know, if you do that, and then it can't be 594 00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:19,890 hijacked. Quick aside, 595 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,270 Adam Curry: yeah, no, that's okay. Just to keep that aside 596 00:40:24,270 --> 00:40:28,680 for a moment, I just did episode five of booster grand ball. And 597 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,670 here's the things that that really struck me coming from a 598 00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:38,640 radio background. First of all, the in mainstream radio, your 599 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,420 selection is very limited. Yeah, you got decades of back 600 00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:45,510 catalogue. But the stuff that you actually wind up playing on 601 00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:49,050 almost any radio station is a very small, maybe 100 songs, 602 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:55,860 very limited. I'm seeing completely new styles, things 603 00:40:55,860 --> 00:41:01,140 that I've never even thought about as as types of music. 604 00:41:01,350 --> 00:41:08,880 Because it's always been so categorized for me. And the, 605 00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:14,520 just the, the the freedom that people are exhibiting is it's, 606 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,670 it's something it's something very, very powerful. And yeah, I 607 00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:21,180 mean, quite honestly, I'm, I'm hoping and Whitlam I know it's 608 00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:25,410 coming. I'm waiting for hip hop, not for me to play. I'm waiting 609 00:41:25,410 --> 00:41:29,730 for hip hop songs to be played by hip hop. podcasters I'm 610 00:41:29,730 --> 00:41:34,020 waiting for worship music, I'm waiting for all of this. I mean, 611 00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:36,510 this to me is it's one of the most exciting moments in my 612 00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:40,920 life. So to have you bring this is fantastic. 613 00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:43,530 Moe Factz: And what what I believe you done is really 614 00:41:43,530 --> 00:41:48,900 centered the DJ into the middle of the music conversation, 615 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,180 Adam Curry: the discovery mechanism, this is this is what 616 00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:57,120 radio used to be, you'd listen to your favorite radio DJ, 617 00:41:57,150 --> 00:42:00,300 because he Oh, he's playing something cool. Oh, listen to 618 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:04,590 this, not because he had the funniest jokes, or the quips or, 619 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,740 you know, the one liners, which is kind of what radio has become 620 00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:11,430 today. And the music has become a secondary, almost like 621 00:42:11,850 --> 00:42:15,570 tapestry. You know, that's just on the wall of, of putting the 622 00:42:15,570 --> 00:42:19,740 DJ Center as a funny man or comedian that really came in the 623 00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:23,430 90s. Like, ba now DJs gotta be comedians. But for me, it's 624 00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:27,570 like, it's Monday, I'm a little I'm still a little jet lagged. 625 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,900 I'm gonna search for something under play this and yeah, it's, 626 00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:34,500 it's discovery. It's something we completely lost in the last 627 00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:37,260 20, maybe even 30 years? 628 00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:40,710 Moe Factz: Well, we didn't lose it. It was replaced with the 629 00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:43,410 algorithm, this gesture algorithm. Yeah, well, that will 630 00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:49,500 just feed you instead of a human actually curating you know, and 631 00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,610 saying, Okay, I'll thank you. If you like my tastes, and I think 632 00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:57,060 you quote unquote, dig these records. Yeah. And people will 633 00:42:57,060 --> 00:43:00,030 call in and say, I liked that one. Or the next one, you get 634 00:43:00,030 --> 00:43:04,200 the, the, you know, loop the feedback. The you know, those 635 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:07,500 those contests is like, thumbs up, thumbs down, but like you're 636 00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:11,400 saying, play it or play it or whatever it was, but make it or 637 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,600 break it. Yeah. You have that whole feedback loop. I mean, 638 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,510 just a quick aside, it's going to be very important, I think is 639 00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:22,440 timely, that that happened in all the same time I was doing it 640 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,540 down this rabbit hole. So I think it's 641 00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:26,760 Adam Curry:

good because I'm expecting some more facts music 642 00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:30,270 to be uploaded pretty soon. I know you got Oh, yeah, I know, 643 00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:30,840 you got it. 644 00:43:32,850 --> 00:43:36,900 Moe Factz: This my first love, I can't lie. And this is why this 645 00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,480 show is so important to me. But let's get back to the hooping 646 00:43:39,780 --> 00:43:44,760 and this is Dr. Edward L. Branch, and his take on it for 647 00:43:44,850 --> 00:43:45,630 us. 648 00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:51,690 Unknown: In the African American church world, it is an integral 649 00:43:51,750 --> 00:44:01,080 part of who we are. And, and it fits in well for us, you know, 650 00:44:01,350 --> 00:44:08,220 and and I want to say as well that as a quote unquote, Hooper, 651 00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:16,410 I mean, what becomes a challenge for us, us who are known to be 652 00:44:16,770 --> 00:44:21,270 and especially those of us who are, you know, true Hooper's? 653 00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:24,900 Now, you know, when you talk about Hoopa is not just a tuner, 654 00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:29,100 there's some preachers who can tune you know, so they can grab 655 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:34,350 a note and they can, you know, they can tomb they can cruise 656 00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:38,100 along that note, that's one thing, that there's some who 657 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:46,920 can, who can holla I mean, and hollow ona note, and, you know, 658 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,120 they go along and they hit that holla you know, or whatever it 659 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,320 might be, but that's not hoping. Okay, 660 00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:59,670 Moe Factz: so it's different things and it's different levels 661 00:44:59,670 --> 00:45:03,390 to like Are we wrapping is there is different levels to you might 662 00:45:03,390 --> 00:45:07,860 come wrong words together will make me a rapper 663 00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:08,880 Adam Curry: You mean like Vivek? 664 00:45:09,870 --> 00:45:15,630 Moe Factz: Exactly. To put him What I mean is, quote unquote 665 00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:20,910 competent rappers that like okay that's pretty good. When is the 666 00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:24,840 next level when it one thing I wanted to bring up before was 667 00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:27,960 with sermons there's the three eyes, right? There's 668 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:33,240 information, interpretation and inspiration. So the information 669 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:36,690 is what you pack into your sermon. Like what I'm trying to 670 00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:40,200 get you to, you know, understand the interpretation is how you 671 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,910 took it, you know, and then inspiration is like the power 672 00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:48,750 this power output, but where I keep saying, it's that feeling 673 00:45:48,750 --> 00:45:52,590 that, you know, when you leave church, you feel better. 674 00:45:53,339 --> 00:45:56,159 Adam Curry: Your, your buckets are

filled, right. 675 00:45:57,540 --> 00:46:00,510 Moe Factz: And it carried you through the week. And the reason 676 00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:04,140 why this is so important, and we got to think about back met. 677 00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:12,450 Church was the social club church was the spiritual 678 00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:19,470 hospital. It was the centerpoint for a very long time. And this 679 00:46:19,470 --> 00:46:23,040 is why when they want to get people to get clout, that 680 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,860 without a revenue from your name, yeah, right, Reverend Al 681 00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:30,270 Sharpton, Reverend Jesse Jackson go down the line, because that 682 00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:35,610 gave you a certain credibility. And I think that's move forward 683 00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:42,000 now to rap. And rap really lost his way. While I say, quote, 684 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,720 unquote, black music lost his way, when it stopped being 685 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,920 filtered through church, alright, used to have to go to 686 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,690 church to play on a drum set, or get access to a keyboard, or 687 00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:58,320 learn how to sing and breath control. And then you then you 688 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,500 will go out and become secular, as you'll hear later in the 689 00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:02,970 show. I just want to make that point. 690 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:08,100 Adam Curry: It's funny, I always felt that Whitney Houston, had 691 00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:12,090 that in the beginning. And then Bobby Brown came in and ruined 692 00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:15,690 everything. You know what I mean? Like she came from she 693 00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:17,790 came from the MS. Why am I going too far? 694 00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:23,130 Moe Factz: No, in this story say that she was the wild west in 695 00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:23,550 the couple 696 00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:26,850 Adam Curry: I know. Yeah, I know. But I'm just saying how it 697 00:47:26,850 --> 00:47:29,550 always looked from the outside. Like, there comes Bobby Brown. 698 00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:34,140 Now. Yeah. Agreed. But that she started in the church. And it 699 00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:40,290 had a lot to do. No, I think it had a lot to do with, with her 700 00:47:40,290 --> 00:47:43,620 relationships in general. But then her music also changed. Her 701 00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:47,760 music also went away from that. Yeah, there was a certain point 702 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,120 that Whitney was very programmatic pop songs in my 703 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,500 mind. And 704 00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:56,070 Moe Factz: it's funny that we go this way. But it's, it's very 705 00:47:56,070 --> 00:48:01,020 important to bring this up at one point, and black music when 706 00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:06,300 she first was making her rise. Quote, unquote, the streets 707 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:09,870 rejected Whitney Houston, because she was seeing at this 708 00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:14,970 rich kid, quote unquote poser on a side quote unquote too much, 709 00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:19,290 but I don't want to be my think may make people think I'm saying 710 00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:23,190 this about her. But it was, you know, she's a poser, her small 711 00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:26,880 city, Houston. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. She 712 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,270 was born on third base kind of thing. And here she come making 713 00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:33,960 pop music. Because at the time, that's what it was. It was pop 714 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,470 music, 715 00:48:34,739 --> 00:48:37,019 Adam Curry: though. I remember interviewing her at the time. 716 00:48:37,019 --> 00:48:41,189 She was like, Yeah, because we were in Holland. So we kind of 717 00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:43,739 knew a little bit about what was happening with her. And that 718 00:48:43,739 --> 00:48:48,479 rejection, although many of the just getting in we'd have the 719 00:48:48,479 --> 00:48:51,329 internet. So the information didn't flow as fast. And she 720 00:48:51,329 --> 00:48:53,219 would say, you know, I'm just seeing and I'm just who I am. 721 00:48:53,219 --> 00:48:57,209 I'm just saying who I am. And she was, she was she seemed very 722 00:48:57,209 --> 00:49:00,059 genuine about that. But I'm just doing my thing here and people 723 00:49:00,059 --> 00:49:01,739 can say what they want to say. 724 00:49:02,430 --> 00:49:05,850 Moe Factz: Wish it was who she was. She was born on third base. 725 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,120 I mean, we can talk about in the news industry. Her mom was a 726 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,050 legend in the in the church and secular music, you know, so you 727 00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:20,550 can't say it's not but what happened was she was somewhat 728 00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:25,560 rejected, because of the authenticity is like that's, 729 00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:30,060 that doesn't resonate with us. You know, I'm from St. Louis, 730 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:33,870 Michael Jackson. You know, that's what the whole bad video 731 00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:37,680 was about was. Man, I'm trying to make something different here 732 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,040 like thriller and the world loves it. But people want to 733 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,120 hear that Oh, Michael Jackson, you know, the off the wall, more 734 00:49:45,330 --> 00:49:48,780 soulful sound. And that's the struggle. And that's why I 735 00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:54,300 wanted to bring it up because the is these people are pouring 736 00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:58,500 in so many different ways across the secular line and staying 737 00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:01,740 Christian and then And once you go secular, do you go 738 00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:08,160 commercial? Or do you stay quote unquote, urban in it, what is 739 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,950 the person to do? And then you become isolated. Like, I believe 740 00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:16,140

she did it until you make it so big that we got to claim you 741 00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:16,650 back in. 742 00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:21,630 Adam Curry: And that was kind of the beauty of all of Anthony, is 743 00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:24,390 he said, Hey, you know, people offering me millions of dollars, 744 00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:27,420 I'm not interested. I'm just me. I'm not interested. I don't want 745 00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:30,750 to do any of it. I'm just making songs in my backyard. So So we 746 00:50:30,750 --> 00:50:31,080 hear. 747 00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:36,330 Moe Factz: Right? I think we stopped that too. Yep. Let's go 748 00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:39,330 and get into number three. Women? No, I think we know 749 00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:43,260 excuse me, number 12. Number 12. Hooping is, 750 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,240 Unknown: is an art form. And it is. And it is based on musical 751 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:54,510 scales. Okay. As I was as I was saying, and usually the person 752 00:50:54,510 --> 00:51:01,890 who is a Hooper is familiar with, and in many cases, also 753 00:51:01,890 --> 00:51:10,710 gifted as a singer. And who, and though they may not know, 754 00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:16,410 mechanically, and it's intellectual lay exactly what 755 00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:21,030 they are doing, they know what they are doing. When it comes to 756 00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:25,440 following, you know, musical tones and, and that, and to be 757 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:31,290 able to do that at the same time that you are continuously giving 758 00:51:31,290 --> 00:51:38,430 a message and saying something of substance, you know, it takes 759 00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:45,780 work, and, and you sacrifice, probably a number of good 760 00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:51,630 sermons in your efforts to develop that skill. You know, 761 00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:52,230 so. 762 00:51:55,230 --> 00:51:56,880 Adam Curry: Yeah, music theory totally. 763 00:51:59,190 --> 00:52:01,890 Moe Factz: Via spoken word. That's the weird thing about it, 764 00:52:01,890 --> 00:52:06,090 like so? Is it actually singing? Or is it spoken word? The same 765 00:52:06,090 --> 00:52:10,890 thing without rapping? Is rapping just a poem? On a beat? 766 00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:15,540 Or is an actual music within itself? Right? So we're peeling 767 00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:21,600 back this onion. To see which way it goes in, this is going to 768 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,350 get me 13 769 00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:27,960 Unknown: I had a friend, I had a friend who I mean, he would tell 770 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:33,300 me, he says, You know, I get my hook together. And then I decide 771 00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:39,180 what I'm gonna preach. And, and he he was a tremendous super, 772 00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:45,900 and he and he was effective with it. But you know, and in most 773 00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:50,880 cases, the, the build up, you know, from the start of that 774 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,710 sermon, as as you know, I say to preachers for the preservation 775 00:52:55,710 --> 00:52:58,740 of voice, because sometimes people you know, want to know, 776 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,000 you know, as a Hooper, how do you, you know, keep your voice, 777 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,260 how do you, you know, preach for five, six times, and we can 778 00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:12,660 still maintain the voice can do tremendous things, if you treat 779 00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:17,550 it properly. If you abuse it, then you're going to spend most 780 00:53:17,550 --> 00:53:22,020 of your time horse or with a sore throat or whatever it may 781 00:53:22,020 --> 00:53:27,870 be. And so to build and to pay attention to that, and to 782 00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:33,690 prepare the material in your sermon. So that if this point 783 00:53:33,690 --> 00:53:42,180 requires a lot of energy and effort, and passion to express, 784 00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:46,770 don't put that early in your sermon, because you're going to, 785 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,530 you're going to overload you're gonna burn yourself out and many 786 00:53:49,530 --> 00:53:52,710 times the crowd is gonna go with you. So they're gonna take you 787 00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:56,970 up there, and your voice won't be able to finish that that 788 00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:58,260 message in many cases. 789 00:53:59,190 --> 00:54:03,750 Adam Curry: While there is there is a Baptist version white 790 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:09,840 Baptist preacher versions called the holy wine and w h i n e, 791 00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:15,000 Moe Factz: is that is that um, was called fire and brimstone. 792 00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:17,280 Southern Baptist is part 793 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,220 Adam Curry: of that and putting it high. Putting that 794 00:54:20,970 --> 00:54:24,000 Moe Factz: you know who, you know who has a similar cadence 795 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:31,110 to that? Oh, Alex Jones, who, when he gets the rolling light, 796 00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:32,250 well, he's really on his 797 00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:35,220 Adam Curry: roll. Yeah, you're right. He has 798 00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:37,080 Moe Factz: that Southern Baptists. That's why I knew 799 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,240 exactly what you were talking about when you said that. It's 800 00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:44,340 that old time churched wood floor you're saying feeling? And 801 00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:47,220 what brought my attention to this because I was just like, 802 00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:50,640 This is what we do. But I remember like on public access 803 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,540 television, they had these two church shows that used to come 804 00:54:54,540 --> 00:55:01,290 home. One was a Spanish, but he had this Zach cadence. I have a 805 00:55:01,290 --> 00:55:06,120 hoper. And I was like, Okay, well, okay, I'll just file that 806 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:12,840 away. And then there was a Korean church. Cool. Straight up 807 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,580 and down

all Korean, you know, English, and he had the same 808 00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:22,230 exact thing. And it was like, how Don't you know, they just 809 00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:24,960 caught my interest, like, maybe start looking at it a little 810 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,230 deeper and like, this is a vehicle. You know, that's just 811 00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:31,170 like when you hear rappers, you know, you can hear a rapper in 812 00:55:31,170 --> 00:55:36,030 French and right? You okay? It's like, okay, you're rapping like 813 00:55:36,030 --> 00:55:39,420 an American, right? If that's understood, because it's the 814 00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:43,980 it's the pattern on the flow that you could pick up on. So 815 00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:47,880 Alright, so now we had to go back to Mr. Jasper Williams. Now 816 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,630 you tell me if this is a is this a fishtail or not? This is 817 00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:56,730 Jasper wheels. Having him somebody important ask him to 818 00:55:56,730 --> 00:55:57,720 teach them how to hoop 819 00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:05,730 Unknown: That's exactly true. We were on the outside of a hotel. 820 00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:09,180 With a lot of preachers standing around I can't remember just 821 00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:14,280 what the occasion was. But he said Jasper, this is my Luther 822 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,870 King Jr. Saying Jasper Jasper that voice the way you do your 823 00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:23,070 voice can you show me how to do that? I said king I don't need 824 00:56:23,070 --> 00:56:25,830 to show you how to do that. What do you mean jazz but you don't 825 00:56:25,830 --> 00:56:29,790 need to show me how to do that. I said because you got that ring 826 00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:33,930 in your voice that nobody else has. I mean you know I got a 827 00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:37,050 dream I had a dream as it not mocked him a little bit he said 828 00:56:37,050 --> 00:56:42,000 no no, no, I want to go up a little higher. I said do what He 829 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:48,450 said that you do I want to know how to do that. As a doctor let 830 00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:52,410 me tell you I have the philosophy that everybody can 831 00:56:52,410 --> 00:56:57,120 hoop who wants to hoop and so whenever you get time and you 832 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,810 want me to seriously sit down and show you what I think you 833 00:57:00,810 --> 00:57:04,410 could do with your voice as it relates to being a Hooper I'd be 834 00:57:04,410 --> 00:57:09,150 glad to do that. But no I am telling you this. I don't think 835 00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:13,890 you need to who know more than you have that pretty wine when 836 00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:17,430 you speak and when you preach and we all chuckled about that 837 00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:20,609 Moe Factz: huh Is that why you're 838 00:57:20,610 --> 00:57:23,430 Adam Curry: talking about yeah interesting because it's like a 839 00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:27,240 crossover I'm okay I'm okay

was a crossover artists 840 00:57:28,650 --> 00:57:33,930 Moe Factz: that's exactly why I think he if true that not all 841 00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:37,710 will be the reason why he wanted to hope is like that I Have a 842 00:57:37,710 --> 00:57:43,110 Dream speech will fly for the nation. But when you go back 843 00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:47,910 home to these down south churches you gotta come with 844 00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:52,530 with the real me not not taking anything away from Dr. King. But 845 00:57:52,620 --> 00:57:56,760 as you see, even himself with his story is true. He was like 846 00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,570 this resonates with a certain crowd but I need to I need to 847 00:58:00,570 --> 00:58:05,940 reach another kind of crowd. And what is similar to what you were 848 00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:09,120 saying about Whitney Houston? He was born with a silver spoon in 849 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,860 his mouth. Born on third base and preaching right so now 850 00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:17,340 you're here because of your who your dad is and who your 851 00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:23,040 granddad was? So I'm sure there were some insecurities and not 852 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,400 having what I'm going to play next are real Hooper. This is 853 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,910 Jasper Williams in action but nothing he was insecure about 854 00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:30,180 that. 855 00:59:16,170 --> 00:59:17,400 Unknown: You know when he was when he 856 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:32,520 came down at his feet 857 00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:40,830 for now 858 00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:54,570 need no sleep 859 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,500 Adam Curry: Oh, that's another way of reading scripture. That's 860 01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:05,130 great. 861 01:00:05,759 --> 01:00:09,509 Moe Factz: Didn't When did you pick up the BB King and the 862 01:00:10,139 --> 01:00:11,489 James Brown? Oh, 863 01:00:11,490 --> 01:00:14,880 Adam Curry: yeah, all of it. Of course, of course, the I even 864 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:21,090 hear Eddie Murphy's, you know, take off and Oh, my God, what 865 01:00:21,090 --> 01:00:24,540 did you just say? I mean, it's all in there, it's all in there. 866 01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:31,920 Moe Factz: And Mr. space for the call and I had to stop, I know 867 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,130 you're gonna hit your mark is the audience, everybody's on cue 868 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:41,070 and time to hit bear, you know, call and respond and out. And 869 01:00:41,130 --> 01:00:44,490 I'm going up the scales musically at the same time as 870 01:00:44,490 --> 01:00:48,090 pasting the crowd. If I don't know if you've ever been in an 871 01:00:48,090 --> 01:00:52,950 environment with that, well, there is electricity. And this 872 01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:56,970 is why a lot of people Jim Jones, and, you know, use the 873 01:00:56,970 --> 01:01:02,250 pulpit to pull off mass mind control, because that power is 874 01:01:02,250 --> 01:01:06,900 real. And people are open to receive it. Because a lot of 875 01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:09,300 time when you go to church, you either need your battery 876 01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:13,680 charged, you know, or you got some heavy on you. And you're 877 01:01:13,710 --> 01:01:21,360 opening yourself up to me. I'm reached. In that, I say that 878 01:01:21,390 --> 01:01:26,640 that's a very, and it carries over to music and it gets 879 01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:31,260 whittled down the line. I mean, here the blue raishin. Go ahead. 880 01:01:31,350 --> 01:01:31,920 Oh, no, even 881 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,740 Adam Curry: the simplest, everybody say, hey, hey, 882 01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:39,360 everybody say how? Oh, I mean, even that's the simplest form of 883 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:39,570 it. 884 01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:44,850 Moe Factz: In even if you don't know what they're saying, here's 885 01:01:44,850 --> 01:01:49,800 an example of African origin or color response, followed by an 886 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,000 American version of 887 01:01:53,010 --> 01:01:58,620 Unknown: musical musical with the cardi cadeau. devote most of 888 01:01:58,620 --> 01:02:05,340 my brain Yeah, yeah, both they allow focus. We both said, do 889 01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:10,050 what I do it 890 01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:22,290 everybody just got back from England. Everybody's talking 891 01:02:22,290 --> 01:02:29,700 about the rockin claim. Love it. I just finished my tour in 892 01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:35,130 Germany. I just dove into it. I went on down in Sweden, last 893 01:02:35,130 --> 01:02:39,540 October in Belgium. And I went oh god in France. I went over in 894 01:02:39,540 --> 01:02:47,130 Australia. Everybody's shaking. Now rocking. And all that. Good. 895 01:02:48,180 --> 01:02:50,640 And I just made it back around to that to know that it's time 896 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:55,350 for you to shake. I want you to get it. Come on. David. 897 01:02:57,810 --> 01:03:03,810 Adam Curry: Richard, Richard, of course. I love that. I love 898 01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:08,460 bands like Pom Pom, the bands and the crowd. Everybody is in 899 01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:10,410 rhythm and it's totally in sync. I love it. 900 01:03:11,489 --> 01:03:15,839 Moe Factz: That's the rhythm. I'm speaking of it. You heard it 901 01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:19,139 with even African example. I don't know what the heck they 902 01:03:19,139 --> 01:03:24,299 were saying. But they were on time. And even even his delivery 903 01:03:24,299 --> 01:03:27,119 wasn't the same every time. Right? It was shorter than 904 01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,749 longer, but they were still hitting it right on time. So you 905 01:03:30,749 --> 01:03:33,839 may people may ask, well, that's trivial. What are you? What are 906 01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:36,629 you talking about? All right. This is where the story gets 907 01:03:36,629 --> 01:03:41,219 personal. My grandfather worked on the railroad, my father's 908 01:03:41,219 --> 01:03:46,529 father, up until the

point where he was given an ultimatum to 909 01:03:46,529 --> 01:03:52,559 bless somebody's head or go home. Luckily, he chose to go 910 01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:59,969 home because he was like, I got seven kids. But he was part of a 911 01:03:59,969 --> 01:04:03,959 group called Gandy dancers. And these next clips are going to 912 01:04:03,959 --> 01:04:06,779 explain what it is but I'll briefly explain so everybody 913 01:04:06,779 --> 01:04:09,899 wouldn't be in the dark. These are the guys that were 914 01:04:09,899 --> 01:04:13,409 straightener railroads with these long poles. And they 915 01:04:13,409 --> 01:04:15,869 wouldn't attempt to the whole railroad system except me like 916 01:04:15,869 --> 01:04:21,419 the whole rail system. But there's one specific job had a 917 01:04:21,659 --> 01:04:27,569 certain need to be on cadence to move these heavy rails weighed 918 01:04:27,569 --> 01:04:27,749 me 919 01:04:27,810 --> 01:04:29,850 Adam Curry: react because everyone had to move, pull the 920 01:04:29,850 --> 01:04:31,080 pipes at the same time, 921 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,560 Moe Factz: simultaneously, Tommy 16. 922 01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:42,569 Unknown: The work calls these retired railroad laborers are 923 01:04:42,569 --> 01:04:47,459 demonstrating grow out of a tradition they helped shape in 924 01:04:47,459 --> 01:04:51,179 the segregated south. It was primarily African American men 925 01:04:51,179 --> 01:04:54,809 who served as the custodians of the railway lines playing and 926 01:04:54,809 --> 01:04:59,759 maintaining tracks by hand labor. These section crews were 927 01:04:59,759 --> 01:05:05,729 no As Gandy dancers. They work for companies like the southern 928 01:05:05,759 --> 01:05:09,899 lnn and seaboard, doing what was considered the most physically 929 01:05:09,899 --> 01:05:13,739 demanding and the lowest paying jobs on the railroad. Gandy 930 01:05:13,739 --> 01:05:17,669 dancers were expected to lay new rail, replace rod and cross 931 01:05:17,669 --> 01:05:21,659 ties. Prepare tracks damaged by floods and tightly packed with 932 01:05:21,659 --> 01:05:26,129 tap the gravel bed of which the rails lay. But most of the time 933 01:05:26,129 --> 01:05:29,879 was spent straightening sections of track that have been pounded 934 01:05:29,909 --> 01:05:33,089 out of alignment by the tremendous and frequent weight 935 01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:39,449 passing trains. Using five foot steel lining bars, each weighing 936 01:05:39,479 --> 01:05:44,189 over 20 pounds. Gangs pulled in unison inching the track back 937 01:05:44,189 --> 01:05:50,279 into line. coordination and timing each man's exertion was 938 01:05:50,279 --> 01:05:54,419 critical. One member of the game, the Kohler synchronized 939 01:05:54,419 --> 01:05:57,929 the gross physical movements with his voice, ensuring safety 940 01:05:57,929 --> 01:06:01,469 and pacing while spiritually uplifting the man at their work. 941 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,560 Adam Curry: Man, I never hear this when they're talking about 942 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,890 racism. This is good. The color I like it. 943 01:06:08,759 --> 01:06:14,639 Moe Factz: So this is a metaphor in itself that left unattended 944 01:06:15,539 --> 01:06:18,389 if we get on the same frequency moving the same way. 945 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,080 Adam Curry: You are capable of anything capable of moving 946 01:06:22,140 --> 01:06:26,160 railroad tracks that are need to be straightened through rock 947 01:06:27,810 --> 01:06:31,890 Moe Factz: capable of doing more than the individual parts can do 948 01:06:31,890 --> 01:06:36,450 alone. It's like that. So one plus one equals three mentality. 949 01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:43,350 And I think that the people that want to control this world 950 01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:46,710 understand that, and this is the reason why they had to keep it 951 01:06:46,740 --> 01:06:50,220 under their thumb. Now I'm gonna go this might be a Space Jam 952 01:06:50,220 --> 01:06:53,580 reach. But I don't know if you've watched space. Watch 953 01:06:53,580 --> 01:06:57,630 Shrek movies. If you've seen him? No, I'm sorry. No. Well, 954 01:06:57,660 --> 01:07:00,600 there was one with Rumpelstiltskin, right. And he 955 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,960 called in, he was the bad guy, the villain. And he called him 956 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,700 the Pied Piper and a pied piper. Cassette hits flute to any 957 01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:14,160 animal, or ogre. And he will play an augers would dance 958 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,520 however he wanted to dance with. I think that was an illusion to 959 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:23,190 reach the illusion to if you can control the music, you can 960 01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:25,380 control the movement of the people. 961 01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:31,560 Adam Curry: Oh, yes. I mean, this has been, I think the most 962 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:36,570 recent example that a lot of people know about is Hitler's 963 01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:36,990 boy. 964 01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:41,160 Moe Factz: Gubbels. Yeah, who would 965 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,910 Adam Curry: play Ride of the Valkyries? Before every speech 966 01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:49,770 that would rile people up? You know, there's the whole 432 967 01:07:49,770 --> 01:07:54,960 hertz and changing the changing where a starts all this stuff? 968 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:55,440 Sure. 969 01:07:56,009 --> 01:07:59,999 Moe Factz: Every drummer has a every army has a drummer. 970 01:08:00,150 --> 01:08:01,710 Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. Yes. 971 01:08:02,850 --> 01:08:06,240 Moe Factz: Every hour, okay, how old army is every drill, every 972 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,510 army has a drummer. And it's something to that beat itself to 973 01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:13,680 that cadence. And it's something to the collective effort, which 974 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,530 you got to have timing just like when a motor or anything else, 975 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,480 the gears

have to be spinning on a certain timing with the timing 976 01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:27,060 built to maximize force, which I think that this is where the 977 01:08:27,060 --> 01:08:32,040 control comes in. They are fearful as they shouldn't be. 978 01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:35,460 Yeah. You know, if you're trying to run a wall a one world 979 01:08:35,460 --> 01:08:38,730 government, you gotta you gotta make sure you control the voices 980 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:43,260 or you introduce your own voices into the fray to mislead the 981 01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:43,710 people. 982 01:08:44,010 --> 01:08:46,290 Adam Curry: Oh, this is gonna be interesting with the value for 983 01:08:46,290 --> 01:08:49,500 value music system we've started they're not going to take that 984 01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:51,180 lightly is what I'm thinking now. 985 01:08:51,900 --> 01:08:57,060 Moe Factz: Know when the big guys show up like curry? Curry. 986 01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,320 She would know how to go Yeah, 987 01:09:01,410 --> 01:09:08,040 Adam Curry: sure. Sure. GBG Exactly. 988 01:09:22,290 --> 01:09:25,770 Unknown: Had one, one fellow he was saying he was a good son. 989 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:31,590 And he's saying to him and he said I got the St. Louis Blues. 990 01:09:33,300 --> 01:09:43,830 Blues I can be I got St Louis move. There blue that can be so 991 01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:51,300 we had whiteboard would make him saying to you know Miss Chang 992 01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:57,510 and get it to showtime saying that saying. So he's saying. He 993 01:09:57,510 --> 01:10:05,460 said I got the same day. out, they say, Hey, I got same damn 994 01:10:05,460 --> 01:10:12,330 thing. And we would always boost him saying, 995 01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:16,050 Adam Curry: Oh, that's good to know. 996 01:10:17,580 --> 01:10:22,980 Moe Factz: Go to show you that man and, man, the same boat. But 997 01:10:22,980 --> 01:10:27,540 there's different. You know, this is what is perplexing about 998 01:10:27,570 --> 01:10:31,320 the race conversation. Because you can have people in the same 999 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:36,480 socio economic levels are close. But there's still a difference. 1000 01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,650 And can you explain it? It's hard to explain, and they do a 1001 01:10:40,650 --> 01:10:44,400 great job of confusing everybody with it. But this is why I mean, 1002 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,410 you had this conversation, but help because 1003 01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:49,440 Adam Curry: how about this for a second? So and the reason is, as 1004 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:54,780 you pointed out, right on early on, is frequency. What is light 1005 01:10:54,780 --> 01:10:59,220 and color? Frequency just a different frequency? Yeah, it's 1006 01:10:59,220 --> 01:11:02,850 frequency, but it's a different frequency. So as long as we're 1007 01:11:02,850 --> 01:11:06,060 going through this, I'm thinking, Yeah, you know, people 1008 01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:10,410 will resonate differently based upon frequencies that are 1009 01:11:10,410 --> 01:11:14,850 inherent to them. So even melanin can have, you know, Kim 1010 01:11:14,850 --> 01:11:17,580 to have a different frequency. I'm thinking now that's part of 1011 01:11:17,580 --> 01:11:18,420 what this is. 1012 01:11:19,860 --> 01:11:22,650 Moe Factz: I think every frequency is needed. It's like 1013 01:11:22,650 --> 01:11:27,300 saying, Oh, we only want certain bands that light you know, we 1014 01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:29,850 don't need Roy, it will say just give me dB. 1015 01:11:31,380 --> 01:11:32,310 Adam Curry: Yeah, good point. 1016 01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:37,499 Moe Factz: So all of his needed, you know, but at the same time, 1017 01:11:37,979 --> 01:11:40,649 you can manipulate those frequencies and make them look 1018 01:11:40,649 --> 01:11:43,079 like you want to and it's kind of like what a diode right? 1019 01:11:43,139 --> 01:11:46,049 Yeah, a light emitting diode. You can tune that frequency to 1020 01:11:46,049 --> 01:11:50,039 make it whatever color you want it to be right on. So this is 1021 01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:55,469 the mass mind control. So going for it. Here's an example of a 1022 01:11:55,469 --> 01:11:59,729 legendary I remember him from school, John Henry, you will get 1023 01:11:59,729 --> 01:12:06,869 this with Paul Bunyan. And it wasn't something Pecos was it 1024 01:12:06,869 --> 01:12:12,479 cuz I had one like it was a Mexican character. Paul Bunyan 1025 01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:17,549 was quote, unquote, the white character. And then John Henry 1026 01:12:17,549 --> 01:12:20,729 was the black character, the mythical figures, you know, the 1027 01:12:20,729 --> 01:12:24,059 baby needs Blue Ox, you know, you know, that kind of thing. 1028 01:12:24,509 --> 01:12:28,589 And here's the story behind that it calls in line with the train 1029 01:12:28,589 --> 01:12:29,039 story. 1030 01:12:31,770 --> 01:12:36,480 Unknown: telecon, West Virginia. Tear at the foot of the 1031 01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:40,290 Allegheny Mountains, lives a decommissioned railroad tunnel, 1032 01:12:40,830 --> 01:12:45,660 known as the Great Ben. According to folklore, this was 1033 01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:50,130 the site of a famous legend from the 1870s. About a superhuman 1034 01:12:50,130 --> 01:12:54,210 railroad worker. John Henry 1035 01:12:55,710 --> 01:13:00,450 the legend is that John Henry was 662 180 pounds, musculus 1036 01:13:00,450 --> 01:13:06,180 solid, glistening, you could see him half a mile away. The Legend 1037 01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:08,970 has it that he was born in enslavement, and he had all 1038 01:13:08,970 --> 01:13:12,180 these goals for his family coming out of enslavement when 1039 01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:15,390 he says, I want a good job I want to provide for my family. 1040 01:13:16,380 --> 01:13:21,270 And he saw the scene a railroad Lane track. And John Henry shows 1041 01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:28,200 up and says, Your guy has a bid. Any man

who signed up to work 1042 01:13:28,770 --> 01:13:32,550 would get 50 acres of land. If they completed the railroad, 1043 01:13:33,570 --> 01:13:35,910 then sometimes its railroad had to be completed through a 1044 01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:40,110 mountain. And so John Henry not simply laid rail, the railroad 1045 01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:43,920 track, but he had to drive his stake into the rock, which 1046 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:48,870 creates enough space to then load dynamite. John Henry was 1047 01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:52,800 the best steel driver. And then here comes a man with the steam 1048 01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,600 drill. The legend speaks of this race taking place between John 1049 01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,680 Henry and the machine. 1050 01:13:59,820 --> 01:14:03,720 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's one of my favorites. John Henry in the 1051 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,290 main factor, you know, we have two Bitcoin miners. Yeah, the 1052 01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:11,040 House One of them is Rosie the Riveter. That's Tina's and mine 1053 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:17,040 is John Henry. Seriously? Yeah. Yeah. The machine had to have a 1054 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,710 name right? Just fall on the network. Right? I'm like, What's 1055 01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:21,900 the most famous minor I know John Henry. 1056 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,650 Moe Factz: And then John Henry battled the machine. 1057 01:14:26,190 --> 01:14:29,040 Adam Curry: Did I know I know without any one and then the way 1058 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,740 I remember the story he died of a heart attack right on the spot 1059 01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:32,910 after he beat the machine. 1060 01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:34,290 Moe Factz: Yeah, God was correct. 1061 01:14:39,390 --> 01:14:45,780 It was worth it. But not as it's amazing to use John Henry as the 1062 01:14:45,780 --> 01:14:50,490 name because this is what read me being me who I am. You know, 1063 01:14:50,490 --> 01:14:52,440 they break out these books. I'm like, give me the black 1064 01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:56,670 character. You know, this is and it was okay. John Henry. But you 1065 01:14:56,670 --> 01:15:02,460 know what, as I look back Back to 2020 when I was doing this 1066 01:15:02,490 --> 01:15:08,370 show, George Floyd has a lot of imagery to John. 1067 01:15:09,089 --> 01:15:13,469 Adam Curry: A lot of the size the stature, yeah, physical look 1068 01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:17,490 Moe Factz: at those statues that they made of George Floyd. It's 1069 01:15:17,580 --> 01:15:21,360 the imagery is there and we're talking about subconscious 1070 01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:25,350 things resonate with us, we that we don't even realize resonate 1071 01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:28,410 with us. Wow. And it didn't resonate to me until I heard her 1072 01:15:28,410 --> 01:15:31,860 start describing, you know, John Hendricks features and things 1073 01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:35,640 like that. And so I like George Floyd, which is that was that a 1074 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,090 manipulation tactic? Who knows? Or is it 1075 01:15:39,090 --> 01:15:41,700 Adam Curry: something that just that is inherent and people 1076 01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:45,210 gravitate toward it? Because that story has been told for 1077 01:15:45,210 --> 01:15:46,080 generations? 1078 01:15:46,530 --> 01:15:51,810 Moe Factz: Right? And this is the archetype for what I was 1079 01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:56,850 talking about before the 50 cents the LL Cool J. Yeah, 1080 01:15:56,850 --> 01:16:02,790 LeBron James, even you know, these myth these superhuman, you 1081 01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:08,460 know, superhuman human figures that give hope Shaq shot is a 1082 01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:14,520 perfect example, which was who the Man of Steel Yeah. Ha. Night 1083 01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:14,940 thing. 1084 01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:21,150 Unknown: As the story goes, there was a competition between 1085 01:16:21,150 --> 01:16:26,040 John and Mr. C, which is the drill farms into the side of a 1086 01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,330 mountain in a single day. During the contest, the strength of 1087 01:16:30,330 --> 01:16:35,970 John is so powerful. The blows from is twin sledgehammers, the 1088 01:16:35,970 --> 01:16:37,140 mountain itself. 1089 01:16:39,570 --> 01:16:43,830 The story is that the steam drill only went nine feet, John 1090 01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:49,680 Henry went 14. And so John Henry is superhuman and more supreme 1091 01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:50,400 than the machine. 1092 01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:58,740 John Henry beats the machine in this this competition. But he 1093 01:16:58,740 --> 01:17:03,360 passes away he dies of a heart attack. He dies from 1094 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:10,440 overexertion. And what we have here is, John Henry begins to 1095 01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:16,260 symbolize this overpowering physique of a muscle man, and 1096 01:17:17,070 --> 01:17:21,360 the ability to achieve in the face of extreme odds. 1097 01:17:23,070 --> 01:17:27,030 The Legend of John Henry represents this black man, this 1098 01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:31,410 hero who did superhuman feats from the 19th century, it 1099 01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:35,010 overshadows the harshness of the Reconstruction period. But it 1100 01:17:35,010 --> 01:17:38,910 also shows us how black men who were able bodied, who had that 1101 01:17:38,910 --> 01:17:43,380 spirit of willing to do anything they needed to do to provide for 1102 01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:44,190 their families. 1103 01:17:46,110 --> 01:17:51,120 Moe Factz: Ma, big cliff. And this is like you said, this is a 1104 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:56,190 lose to this. And they go on into the superhuman conversation 1105 01:17:56,190 --> 01:18:00,270 in this. And that longer part of that piece that lends to 1106 01:18:00,270 --> 01:18:01,050 Superman. 1107 01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:03,210 Adam Curry: Let me ask you that lens. What do you think the 1108 01:18:03,210 --> 01:18:07,350 significance is in the story? So he

would do anything for his 1109 01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:10,710 family, we got that he was stronger. He was better than the 1110 01:18:10,710 --> 01:18:18,570 machine but yet at the end, he dies. What is iced but what to 1111 01:18:18,570 --> 01:18:19,410 do without GMO, 1112 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:27,870 Moe Factz: he won, he won. But he had to die. And gifts as in 1113 01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:29,850 is going to come up. I'm just gonna go ahead and put it out 1114 01:18:29,850 --> 01:18:33,210 there. We got to start having a conversation about AI 1115 01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:41,070 specifically in music. Okay, this is the saying this is the 1116 01:18:41,070 --> 01:18:44,820 repack your story. Here comes a machine that says that it can 1117 01:18:44,820 --> 01:18:45,870 outperform humans 1118 01:18:45,900 --> 01:18:49,860 Adam Curry: who will be the John Henry fighting against the AI 1119 01:18:49,860 --> 01:18:50,550 music. 1120 01:18:52,110 --> 01:18:55,530 Moe Factz: It has to be done or that they're there. They're 1121 01:18:55,530 --> 01:19:01,500 setting it up to where it's going to be very, may basically 1122 01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:05,730 build your own music. That's where they're going with this to 1123 01:19:05,730 --> 01:19:11,850 where you write the song that you want it to hear. Right now, 1124 01:19:11,850 --> 01:19:14,700 we're not we're a long way off from that, but we're fat it's 1125 01:19:14,700 --> 01:19:17,730 fast, you know, we're fastly approaching but we're a long way 1126 01:19:17,730 --> 01:19:23,730 off if that makes sense. Because with the with the new modern 1127 01:19:23,730 --> 01:19:28,440 technology, it's gonna be just typing the words and Draco's 1128 01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:29,310 thing it for you. 1129 01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:32,700 Adam Curry: Right I mean, you know you and I may be not 1130 01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:37,890 entirely aligned on this because my feeling is just looking at 1131 01:19:37,890 --> 01:19:42,480 what AI is doing with words man people who really work with 1132 01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:47,100 words are like this is crap Yeah, it can you can have it you 1133 01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:50,550 can have Drake do a song the way you set it up but it's always 1134 01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:53,730 going to be Drake. It's not there's nothing I have yet to 1135 01:19:53,730 --> 01:19:58,920 hear something new to me it's all remix. You know, it's all 1136 01:19:58,950 --> 01:20:00,750 Moe Factz: made that's the point is gonna get It's just gonna be 1137 01:20:00,750 --> 01:20:05,370 a regurgitation was gonna be what it'll do is put the user 1138 01:20:05,370 --> 01:20:09,450 center by listening to my version of Drake songs, right, 1139 01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,460 Adam Curry: which I don't think I don't think will be very 1140 01:20:11,460 --> 01:20:14,220 successful. It just to me, that's, that's not how art 1141 01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:15,720 works. Well, let's just 1142 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:20,580 Moe Factz: be

honest 85% of people's tastes and music sucks. 1143 01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:25,740 And they all and they all just be honest, and they gravitate 1144 01:20:25,770 --> 01:20:29,430 toward what's fair to them. This is what made the DJ so 1145 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,880 important, because he could go through and pick these records, 1146 01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:34,890 and putting together you know, 1147 01:20:35,190 --> 01:20:37,260 Adam Curry: let me let me say another thing I've noticed, 1148 01:20:37,290 --> 01:20:40,800 thank you for bringing that up. I know, I know, inherently Of 1149 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,460 course, I know this repetition makes hits. But I didn't realize 1150 01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:48,540 that even on a show that has its first episode, like 6000 people 1151 01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:50,940 download it was not even as it comes out of the blue, right? 1152 01:20:50,940 --> 01:20:54,870 There's no promotion, just do it. And, and I realized three 1153 01:20:54,870 --> 01:21:00,420 episodes in. I've played one song each show, and now it's a 1154 01:21:00,420 --> 01:21:04,200 hit. It's just the enemies. And only I've been playing it one 1155 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,080 guy, but to the 6000 people like, oh, this song is a hit 1156 01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,960 this thing is great. But I could do that with any song. That's 1157 01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:14,790 good. Anything that's good to hear? Yes, yes, yeah. But I 1158 01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:18,180 didn't realize how well I did realize it. But not until you 1159 01:21:18,180 --> 01:21:22,830 really understand the radio, and the music business, which is, 1160 01:21:22,860 --> 01:21:26,040 you know, now it's really automated. It's just, you know, 1161 01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:29,670 if every station everywhere on the dial is pumping out the same 1162 01:21:29,940 --> 01:21:34,260 song, for weeks at a time is just going to be a hit, unless 1163 01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:38,700 it's a total piece of crap is always going to work. If this is 1164 01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:42,210 the mind blowing thing for me, it's not necessarily the best 1165 01:21:42,210 --> 01:21:46,170 song. But it's the song that has a catchy thing that is that is 1166 01:21:46,170 --> 01:21:49,290 presented to you over and over again. And then it just becomes 1167 01:21:49,380 --> 01:21:51,720 I wake up singing some of these songs. 1168 01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:56,460 Moe Factz: Because you have a great taste in music. And people 1169 01:21:56,460 --> 01:22:00,600 appreciate that, which, that's why it's called taste. I mean, 1170 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:05,160 people a lot of people are, taste them, if that's a word is 1171 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:09,150 like do not taste that. It's like, like the palate for wine. 1172 01:22:09,210 --> 01:22:12,210 Right? You know, you give an average person some wine, they 1173 01:22:12,210 --> 01:22:17,280 don't taste the difference. Like, let's let's place the wood 1174 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,070 that the barrel, you know, maple, you know, that kind of 1175 01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:20,250 thing. 1176 01:22:21,540 --> 01:22:24,060 Adam Curry: But Andres is still pretty popular, you know, comes 1177 01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:24,780 in a box, 1178 01:22:25,950 --> 01:22:28,440 Moe Factz: you know, because that's what's available to the 1179 01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:31,440 people you know, when you go when you go to the store. Yeah, 1180 01:22:31,470 --> 01:22:35,760 and this is what curating is all about, is I'm not gonna go to 1181 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,850 Walmart and pick my wine. I'm gonna ride out to the 1182 01:22:38,850 --> 01:22:41,850 countryside and find a vineyard, right, and nobody's heard of the 1183 01:22:41,850 --> 01:22:44,730 find that one ball of wine that's going to shine at the 1184 01:22:44,730 --> 01:22:47,640 dinner. And this is what we're doing with music, and everything 1185 01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:52,590 else, which is not to harp on the point. But you centering the 1186 01:22:52,620 --> 01:22:57,630 curator, is desexualize I mean, it's centralization and D 1187 01:22:57,630 --> 01:23:02,040 centralizing at the same time. Exactly. If that makes sense. 1188 01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:07,140 Yes, yeah. Focus on me, trust my ear. And I'm gonna give you some 1189 01:23:07,140 --> 01:23:12,420 great music. Which that's why people tune into DJs in that's 1190 01:23:12,450 --> 01:23:17,070 why people went to shows because it's like, oh, DJ, so and so got 1191 01:23:17,370 --> 01:23:21,180 a killer set. He's playing out I've never heard before he has 1192 01:23:21,180 --> 01:23:24,450 breakbeats I've never heard before, you know, to the point 1193 01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:27,540 where you got to start covering up your album labels, you know, 1194 01:23:27,540 --> 01:23:31,830 because everybody who starts out is still like, yeah, what do you 1195 01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:38,220 got? Build a curry algorithm healthy thinking. With that 1196 01:23:38,220 --> 01:23:41,790 said, I just want to show you how to draw Henry has went on 1197 01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:45,300 and carried on the legend. This is Harry Belafonte, I think in 1198 01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:50,640 the 1950s and this is the John Henry song and we possibly can 1199 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,980 go into the donation segment after this. 1200 01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:58,650 Unknown: John Henry he could have he could whistle he could 1201 01:23:58,650 --> 01:24:03,630 sing to the mountain early in the morning just to hear his 1202 01:24:03,630 --> 01:24:08,280 Hammer Ring Lord Lord just to hear his Hammer ring just to 1203 01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:13,470 hear his Hammer Ring Lord Lord just to hear his Hammer ring by 1204 01:24:13,470 --> 01:24:18,570 John Henry was a little baby sitting on his that his knee 1205 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,380 picked up a hammer and a little pieces do you use a hammer be 1206 01:24:22,380 --> 01:24:26,370 the death of me Lord God, yes, hammer

will be the death of me. 1207 01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:30,600 As Pam will be the death of me Lord, Lord, yes, hammer be the 1208 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:36,720 day that can be family needed money, said he didn't have a 1209 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:41,520 dime. If you wait till the sun goes down. I'll get it from the 1210 01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,880 men in the mind. Lord, Lord, I'll get it from the man in the 1211 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:49,320 mind. I'll get it from the men in the mind. Lord, I'll get it 1212 01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:54,360 from the man in the mind. By the captain said to John Henry. John 1213 01:24:54,360 --> 01:25:00,510 Henry, what can you do? To Jack diagonally track I can pick and 1214 01:25:00,510 --> 01:25:05,850 shovel to load God, I can pick and shovel. I can pick and 1215 01:25:05,850 --> 01:25:14,790 shovel to load a lot. I can pick and shovel to the captain, a 1216 01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:19,470 man, but let your steam drill Beekmantown well, I'll die with 1217 01:25:19,470 --> 01:25:22,980 the hammer in my hand, Lord God, I'll die with the hammer in my 1218 01:25:22,980 --> 01:25:27,660 head. I'll die with the hammer in my hand, I'll die with the 1219 01:25:27,660 --> 01:25:28,680 hammer in my 1220 01:25:29,159 --> 01:25:32,399 white man and the black men have to be able to sit down at the 1221 01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:35,669 same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind 1222 01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:38,459 without hurting the feelings about negro. And the so called 1223 01:25:38,459 --> 01:25:41,489 Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the 1224 01:25:41,489 --> 01:25:44,279 feelings of the white man, then they can bring the issues that 1225 01:25:44,279 --> 01:25:46,619 are under the rug out on top of the table and take an 1226 01:25:46,619 --> 01:25:49,139 intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only 1227 01:25:49,139 --> 01:25:50,369 way we'll ever do it. 1228 01:25:50,429 --> 01:25:52,709 Adam Curry: And we are definitely doing that. today. 1229 01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:56,099 Once again my facts are that I'm curry and we are value for 1230 01:25:56,099 --> 01:26:00,419 value. People are waiting for the shows are saying oh 1231 01:26:00,419 --> 01:26:02,729 Wednesday I'm gonna come on we need another show. We need to we 1232 01:26:02,729 --> 01:26:05,879 come on mo we need something come on Adam, get off your 1233 01:26:05,879 --> 01:26:10,679 button, stop being on vacation. Do show we need to show we need 1234 01:26:10,679 --> 01:26:14,609 it. And so we're presenting this value to you. It is free and 1235 01:26:14,609 --> 01:26:19,169 openly available anywhere you can get a podcast and all we ask 1236 01:26:19,169 --> 01:26:22,169 is that you consider sending some value back and it is really 1237 01:26:22,169 --> 01:26:26,309 much, very much appreciated. You can do it by going to moe 1238 01:26:26,309 --> 01:26:29,189 facts.com to the donation page, which you can get to

directly by 1239 01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:34,109 going to mo fund me.com or using a modern podcast app and using 1240 01:26:34,109 --> 01:26:37,349 the boost button send us Satoshis just as valid. You can 1241 01:26:37,349 --> 01:26:40,079 find those at podcast apps.com. We're gonna start off though, 1242 01:26:40,289 --> 01:26:44,249 with some of our Fiat fun coupons sent to us through the 1243 01:26:44,249 --> 01:26:47,129 PayPal. Right off the bat Anthony Raimondo. 1244 01:26:48,180 --> 01:26:51,930 Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula 1245 01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:56,790 Adam Curry: big baller with $500 and a note to match which is a 1246 01:26:56,790 --> 01:27:00,240 good one so I don't want to skimp around too much on it. 1247 01:27:00,900 --> 01:27:03,600 Here's what he says he says I'm a longtime no agenda listener 1248 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,450 and a Baronet. I checked out your show with Adam a while ago 1249 01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:09,150 and had been utterly captivated. I'm sorry that this notes a 1250 01:27:09,150 --> 01:27:12,090 little long but you inspired me to reach out and you're with me 1251 01:27:12,090 --> 01:27:14,910 on this mode is a good note. We gotta read this one yesterday. 1252 01:27:14,910 --> 01:27:18,600 Yes does. In attorney in California for almost 25 years 1253 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,540 when the COVID frenzy took hold and 2020 I was operating at a 1254 01:27:21,540 --> 01:27:24,570 six attorney law firm, of which I was the sole owner which gave 1255 01:27:24,570 --> 01:27:27,270 me a lot of independence to respond to the panic as I saw 1256 01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:30,510 fit. I did not close or offer remote work. This was easy 1257 01:27:30,510 --> 01:27:33,300 because we were declared essential of course lawyers. 1258 01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:38,070 Once the lockdowns began, I chose to act inspired by the 1259 01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:41,910 brave business owners who stayed open in defiance. I saw a local 1260 01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:44,880 news story about a diner being harassed by code enforcement 1261 01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,820 people even worse than the vortex rat poop inspectors. 1262 01:27:47,850 --> 01:27:51,450 That's pretty bad. I began offering pro bono legal defense 1263 01:27:51,450 --> 01:27:54,480 to small employers to fight the citations. We represented 1264 01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:58,470 restaurants cell salons, even jujitsu studios and a laser tag 1265 01:27:58,470 --> 01:28:01,590 arena. When we backed the government often every case and 1266 01:28:01,590 --> 01:28:04,950 they ended up dropping the fines I even got a zoom call with the 1267 01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:07,950 mayor. And I like to think that I helped persuade him to call 1268 01:28:07,950 --> 01:28:11,850 off the dogs in our town. And when the Mac Vax mandates began, 1269 01:28:11,850 --> 01:28:15,090 I started I started offering free legal help across the 1270 01:28:15,090 --> 01:28:18,330 country to get people exemptions and again had great success. 1271 01:28:18,330 --> 01:28:21,120 Last year, I represented several people in California who were 1272 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,090 forced out of their jobs for refusing the job and got them 1273 01:28:24,090 --> 01:28:28,050 monetary compensation. I just wanted to tell you how much I 1274 01:28:28,050 --> 01:28:31,770 admire your courage Mo and principled stance against the 1275 01:28:31,770 --> 01:28:35,160 mandates to me the heroes of the pandemic were business owners 1276 01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,680 who defied the lock downs of people like you who defied the 1277 01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,490 mandates, despite the personal cost to them. I already own my 1278 01:28:41,490 --> 01:28:44,010 own business and control my own income, which combined with the 1279 01:28:44,010 --> 01:28:47,730 magic essential wand meant I took no risk and paid no price 1280 01:28:47,730 --> 01:28:50,700 for my principles. I congratulate you on the example 1281 01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:53,850 you've set for others it matters. I've since sold a law 1282 01:28:53,850 --> 01:28:56,820 firm moved to a small, deeply orange town on the Southern 1283 01:28:56,820 --> 01:29:00,930 Oregon coast. My next stage is to stay is to get a law license 1284 01:29:00,930 --> 01:29:04,140 here in hopes I can offer service in my small town against 1285 01:29:04,140 --> 01:29:07,200 what I know is coming for these wonderful people. My wife and I 1286 01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,320 bought our dream home picture attached which I did not see Is 1287 01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:11,490 it A? Is it a dream home? 1288 01:29:11,820 --> 01:29:14,370 Moe Factz: No, it's beautiful. And the view and the view is 1289 01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,260 reminiscent of you I have 1290 01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,550 Adam Curry: it nice and we are loving life here best wishes to 1291 01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:22,980 you and your family and your journey. And you are in our 1292 01:29:22,980 --> 01:29:25,590 prayers always Sir Anthony Myrtle Point Oregon. What a 1293 01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:29,460 beautiful note man. Absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for 1294 01:29:29,460 --> 01:29:33,150 that and thank you for the 500 I think Trent Scoville should be 1295 01:29:33,150 --> 01:29:34,140 up there with the ballers. 1296 01:29:35,190 --> 01:29:38,250 Unknown: Sakala 20 his blades only him 1297 01:29:38,940 --> 01:29:41,550 Adam Curry: because he just sent $300 No, no, that's a baller 1298 01:29:41,550 --> 01:29:45,840 move right there. Yeah. Love that take 1299 01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,220 Moe Factz: take the money. No, no. Yeah. 1300 01:29:47,790 --> 01:29:51,630 Adam Curry: Thank you very much Trenton Jimmy James $200. I wish 1301 01:29:51,630 --> 01:29:53,730 there was more value I could provide to ensure the 1302 01:29:53,730 --> 01:29:56,490 continuation of Mo facts capital ventures and entrepreneurship 1303 01:29:56,490 --> 01:29:59,070 enterprises, or whatever the rebranding, rebuilding of

the 1304 01:29:59,070 --> 01:30:03,150 world around you and your Family will be. May God continue to 1305 01:30:03,150 --> 01:30:05,400 bless you and your family through it. I don't know I have 1306 01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:11,400 a feeling that God is not letting Adam and MOBE go just 1307 01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:18,240 yet. Seems like we got a lot more work to do. Yeah 199 from 1308 01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,510 the American Dreams Mo and Adam thanks for make good for my 1309 01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:25,290 donate donation that never even made it Pio boxes can be a pain 1310 01:30:25,290 --> 01:30:28,470 I have to remember. I'm finally getting around to make to my 1311 01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:31,530 make good and resending initially was 149 and some 1312 01:30:31,530 --> 01:30:35,160 change and honored my hobbies 49th birthday in February. And 1313 01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,830 Dame DeLorean was good enough to send that out for me along with 1314 01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:40,800 another 50 Since it's been a while and I feel I feel bad for 1315 01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,310 the long delays. So the 199 You already gave him a biscuit for 1316 01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:48,000 his birthday. So if you could play GBG promos, I didn't have 1317 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,590 that one queued up, but it's always, always on deck. Here we 1318 01:30:52,590 --> 01:30:52,770 go. 1319 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:55,980 Unknown: We have that. 1320 01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,370 Adam Curry: I'm curious what your thoughts are on the book To 1321 01:30:59,370 --> 01:31:02,520 Kill a Mockingbird and also wondered if you have ever heard 1322 01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,550 of or read an American plague concerning the yellow fever 1323 01:31:05,550 --> 01:31:10,710 epidemic in Philadelphia in 19. As in 1793, blacks came to the 1324 01:31:10,710 --> 01:31:13,500 rescue and were poorly treated despite the generosity is such a 1325 01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:16,200 shame. God bless you both and keep up the important work of 1326 01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,020 educating the masses. All right, well, To Kill a Mockingbird, 1327 01:31:19,050 --> 01:31:19,230 you're 1328 01:31:19,619 --> 01:31:23,099 Moe Factz: killing Mockingbird. So ninth grade I want to say 1329 01:31:23,129 --> 01:31:28,409 probably so it's a little hazy. Um, and I haven't read the 1330 01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:34,199 American plague but To Kill a Mockingbird. Oh, no. This is 1331 01:31:34,259 --> 01:31:37,679 didn't know No, I don't know. It just didn't register with me 1332 01:31:38,910 --> 01:31:42,090 Adam Curry: know that it's being isn't being pulled out of 1333 01:31:42,090 --> 01:31:43,560 schools To Kill a Mockingbird? 1334 01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,520 Moe Factz: Yeah, I don't know. Why is another miracle from the 1335 01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,250 book. Well, I Oh, I understand why they're trying to at least 1336 01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,580 understand right what people will have an issue with but 1337 01:31:54,600 -->

01:31:57,180 Adam Curry: but wasn't basically written for the white man's 1338 01:31:57,180 --> 01:31:59,760 perspective To Kill a Mockingbird. This wasn't it may 1339 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:04,290 Moe Factz: say the white savior. You know. And it was more about 1340 01:32:04,290 --> 01:32:09,690 the relationship between him and his daughter. That was like the 1341 01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:13,680 center point. And then the trial of course, but 1342 01:32:13,860 --> 01:32:19,140 Adam Curry: yeah, so a swing and a miss. So we got a good I mean 1343 01:32:19,140 --> 01:32:22,800 Moe Factz: for the time, but I don't I don't see what was was a 1344 01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:23,610 lightning rod. 1345 01:32:24,300 --> 01:32:26,730 Adam Curry: These are all by the way. Executive producers for 1346 01:32:26,730 --> 01:32:29,910 episode 93 of Mo Fox without incurring we do the execs and 1347 01:32:29,910 --> 01:32:35,010 the associate execs in this first segment and you will be 1348 01:32:35,250 --> 01:32:38,220 noted as such and credited in the show notes of this episode, 1349 01:32:38,670 --> 01:32:42,660 as we'll do with Kyle man. 150. No, no, thank you, Kyle. Janet. 1350 01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:48,600 Pick a knotty value for value not even close, but I do what I 1351 01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:51,570 can. No, that's the beauty of the Janet value for value is 1352 01:32:51,570 --> 01:32:56,400 exactly that. If this is what you can do. It is enormously 1353 01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:00,120 valuable. enormously. It's the top if we've done it, then you 1354 01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:05,160 did. Exactly. Thank you. Jamie Palacios $100 hate to see the 1355 01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,680 show go, but every show was amazing. Thank you, Mo and Adam, 1356 01:33:07,860 --> 01:33:14,970 thank you. Mohinga silver 100 No note, Mike Decker, da care $100 1357 01:33:14,970 --> 01:33:21,270 education package 100 episodes. Thank you, Ryan Tierney. $100 1358 01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:23,670 Thanks, Mo and Adam, another great and informative episode 1359 01:33:23,700 --> 01:33:29,070 aka sir Doherty. Yes, Ryan. Thank you. Todd via Willis. $100 1360 01:33:29,070 --> 01:33:32,220 another banger as usual talking about episode 92 Thanks for the 1361 01:33:32,220 --> 01:33:35,280 truth bombs. That's our executive producers Associate 1362 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:40,110 Executive Producers between 50 and 100. Josiah Hendrickson GBG 1363 01:33:40,110 --> 01:33:45,030 for GBG again, man as popular today GBG for a strong community 1364 01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:48,780 and could I get a mo karma for the whole family? Of course. We 1365 01:33:53,280 --> 01:34:00,900 you've got Thank you. Chris Bailey. 93 show number donation 1366 01:34:00,930 --> 01:34:02,640 now. Did you get an email note from him? 1367 01:34:03,450 --> 01:34:06,000 Moe Factz: No, I mean, what was that chat? It was no no, I don't 1368 01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:07,350 know why I didn't know. 1369 01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,710 Adam Curry: He will get a show number donation mentioned for 1370 01:34:10,710 --> 01:34:15,510 that. Thank you Chris. Brandon s $60.88 No idea why No, no, but 1371 01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:20,550 we like it. Carol Chase Carol. Ha $60 No, no Dustin Zimmer. 60. 1372 01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:24,780 No note, Jennifer Cato 60. No note all appreciated. Triggered 1373 01:34:24,780 --> 01:34:27,630 can't $51 Always Learning looking forward to the next 1374 01:34:27,630 --> 01:34:31,800 show. And here it is for you tinkered. John much ink. much 1375 01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:35,250 ink I think $50 This donation is for your faithful show number 1376 01:34:35,250 --> 01:34:38,910 producer Dame slammy whose birthday was on July 26. We are 1377 01:34:38,910 --> 01:34:41,580 both sad to see the show and but are excited about what comes 1378 01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:45,090 next. Well, you're you're in the final stretch here and we're 1379 01:34:45,090 --> 01:34:49,890 excited as well. 50 from off the beaten path tours last episode 1380 01:34:49,890 --> 01:34:52,980 with Adam curry. Love your show and all that you do Boston mom, 1381 01:34:53,220 --> 01:34:56,820 Paula, if you're ever in Boston, I'd love to have you as a guest 1382 01:34:56,820 --> 01:35:00,270 on my tour. Prayer. See you both. Oh, that's a good offer a 1383 01:35:00,270 --> 01:35:05,850 thank you. Anonymous 50 Most wisdom is a blessing it sure is. 1384 01:35:06,690 --> 01:35:10,800 And that's it. That's our executive and Associate 1385 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:15,420 Executive producers for episode 93 of Mo facts with Adam curry 1386 01:35:15,420 --> 01:35:18,150 we'll be thinking more people, including those who came in with 1387 01:35:18,150 --> 01:35:21,510 boost and booster grams in our second segment segment and 1388 01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:24,630 again, we are very appreciative of you stepping into the value 1389 01:35:24,630 --> 01:35:29,550 for value world and sending back the value equal to what you 1390 01:35:29,580 --> 01:35:32,850 received and how ever you want to send that back. As always 1391 01:35:32,850 --> 01:35:35,910 welcome time, talent or treasure, go to mo facts.com 1392 01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:39,300 directly to our donation page at mo fund me.com. 1393 01:35:42,090 --> 01:35:45,510 Moe Factz: So, I know we've done a lot of talking about rap, but 1394 01:35:45,510 --> 01:35:48,570 we haven't got to the rap yet. And we're not gonna get too much 1395 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:53,070 of it in this show. Like I say I'm laying the underpinnings of 1396 01:35:53,100 --> 01:36:00,360 what the higher infinite power is. And why a person like J 1397 01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:05,880 Edgar Hoover, and many other people want to keep a lid on the 1398 01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:10,980 messaging that gets out the pen is more mighty than the sward 1399 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,370 you know and the spoken word I think is even more powerful 1400 01:36:14,370 --> 01:36:17,370 because it can motivate people in a certain way as

we heard in 1401 01:36:17,370 --> 01:36:20,850 the first of the clips with that said this is this goes back to 1402 01:36:20,850 --> 01:36:27,540 1943 I've saw multiple different dates but early 40s This is the 1403 01:36:27,570 --> 01:36:32,280 Jubilee marry Jubilee and there's nowhere in this possibly 1404 01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:34,560 could be the first Rap Performance err ever 1405 01:36:35,610 --> 01:36:39,000 Unknown: and listen to me God walked down to the band deceit 1406 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:43,170 he declared that the man had been hidden decided to destroy 1407 01:36:43,170 --> 01:36:48,660 the man that has to no no stop no I won't be defeated me and I 1408 01:36:48,660 --> 01:36:55,500 won't do the three cubits long do the big and strong divide so 1409 01:36:55,530 --> 01:36:57,420 it feels the win and 1410 01:36:59,070 --> 01:36:59,580 no 1411 01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:08,910 no 1412 01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:28,020 no My God 1413 01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:39,510 on a whim and the foundation will leave begin to build the 1414 01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:43,230 ring on the hammock that didn't commit the human soul that sends 1415 01:37:43,230 --> 01:37:49,470 me faster 100 years bill in the UK by the grace of God was done 1416 01:37:49,470 --> 01:37:52,950 God Boris was ready to say no no let me tell you what to do. 1417 01:37:53,070 --> 01:37:58,770 Colin Adam was too bad to sway pull him in a two by two ox with 1418 01:37:58,770 --> 01:38:03,150 the cane Ruth and Paul and your faith to him and Sam then began 1419 01:38:03,150 --> 01:38:10,260 to build up the land he raised his hands the month that he 1420 01:38:10,290 --> 01:38:15,810 traveled to see the wind to his chariot he stepped on land and 1421 01:38:15,810 --> 01:38:17,910 declared that there wouldn't be NO NO 1422 01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:19,950 NO 1423 01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:33,840 Adam Curry: Wow as you can kind of you can kind of hear the 1424 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,310 negro spiritual in their 1425 01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:40,050 Moe Factz: same time he could hear the modern rep it sounds a 1426 01:38:40,050 --> 01:38:45,240 lot like the message the flow and edit your 1427 01:38:45,539 --> 01:38:50,939 Adam Curry: you mean from Grandmaster Flash to flash and 1428 01:38:50,939 --> 01:38:52,709 the Furious fun? Yeah, if you listen 1429 01:38:52,710 --> 01:38:54,660 Moe Factz: to the flow, it's the same flow. 1430 01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,290 Adam Curry: I'm gonna Yeah. 1431 01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:03,060 Moe Factz: And the weird part is that is to say instruments and 1432 01:39:03,060 --> 01:39:07,020 to do from North Richmond. This is a good time and invoices. 1433 01:39:07,050 --> 01:39:11,010 Yeah. Yeah, instruments, but different different, all 1434 01:39:11,010 --> 01:39:15,540 different models. Now, you as when you have something good 1435 01:39:15,540 --> 01:39:19,590 going, the devil always have to creep in and this was captured. 1436 01:39:20,340 --> 01:39:23,730 In the Ray Charles movie, The thief only comes in to steal and 1437 01:39:23,730 --> 01:39:28,620 kill Mo Yeah, and destroy. And this is from the Ray Charles 1438 01:39:28,620 --> 01:39:34,470 movie, when he's playing gospel, cold chords and remix in the 1439 01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:39,330 spirituals and in a secular way. And this was a huge issue in 1440 01:39:39,330 --> 01:39:43,020 this time period. And we're gonna get into a little letter 1441 01:39:43,230 --> 01:39:47,970 written very soon here. But the struggle between the talent 1442 01:39:47,970 --> 01:39:54,180 being used for God's word and monetarily gaining monetary gain 1443 01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:59,130 by the church or if secular force could come in and draw the 1444 01:39:59,130 --> 01:40:03,780 talent away. But this is Ray Charles in the club and it gets 1445 01:40:03,780 --> 01:40:05,250 crashed by some believers 1446 01:40:25,740 --> 01:40:27,990 Unknown: you just giving your money to Satan that's what 1447 01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:28,560 you're doing. 1448 01:40:29,670 --> 01:40:30,750 You have a problem 1449 01:40:30,990 --> 01:40:31,650 yeah got 1450 01:40:31,650 --> 01:40:35,700 a problem this gospel you're saying you're turning God's 1451 01:40:35,700 --> 01:40:38,070 music into six you're making money off the law 1452 01:40:43,950 --> 01:40:44,520 he's right 1453 01:40:53,370 --> 01:40:58,680 you got a right to believe what you really want to cancel the 1454 01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:05,430 show. I just want to ask the folks right now. All y'all want 1455 01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:07,080 me to keep playing? Let me say amen. 1456 01:41:13,410 --> 01:41:14,310 Without the trip data 1457 01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:27,210 Adam Curry: was this from a movie? Or was this an actual 1458 01:41:27,210 --> 01:41:28,290 recording in the club? 1459 01:41:28,530 --> 01:41:33,000 Moe Factz: No, that was Jamie Foxx. Oh, okay. Playing Ray 1460 01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,180 Charles in the movie, right. But this is well documented, this 1461 01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:39,720 struggle was well documented in the Five Heartbeats. You have 1462 01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:46,470 family this own family members because they strayed away from 1463 01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:47,100 the church. 1464 01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:49,560 Adam Curry: Yeah, that was a big gospel music outside of the 1465 01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:50,130 church. 1466 01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:54,270 Moe Factz: Right. And there's two reasons One, because of the 1467 01:41:54,330 --> 01:42:00,540 spiritual reason, but there was also economic reasons for them 1468 01:42:00,540 --> 01:42:04,440 not wanting to go outside the church because this was 1469 01:42:04,440 --> 01:42:10,980 highlighted in The Color Purple. You had the church, and then you 1470 01:42:10,980 --> 01:42:15,840 had them building a jute joint. You know, those were rivals, 1471 01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:20,520 right for looking eyes, ears and economic reasons. You know, the 1472 01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,520

every dollar that goes out into the jute joint doesn't go to the 1473 01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,700 church, you know, and in the church was a big source of 1474 01:42:26,700 --> 01:42:30,300 entertainment. You know, that's why the juke joint and that's 1475 01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:33,420 why him and his daughter, the pastor in the church and his 1476 01:42:33,420 --> 01:42:39,180 daughter, shoot, Avery, you know, that was a big merging. At 1477 01:42:39,180 --> 01:42:44,190 the end of the movie wanted to see me comics moments, is when 1478 01:42:44,430 --> 01:42:47,010 she starts saying God won't tell you something, and she takes it 1479 01:42:47,010 --> 01:42:51,990 into the church. Now that could be symbolic, because that was 1480 01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:57,480 the secular being allowed into the church house, right now with 1481 01:42:57,480 --> 01:43:01,020 the instruments and drums and whatever else because I was next 1482 01:43:01,020 --> 01:43:05,820 clip for nearly fuller. At that time, there was big pushback for 1483 01:43:05,820 --> 01:43:09,780 the even the piano being in the church today was seen as the 1484 01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:11,190 devil's bot, really, 1485 01:43:11,220 --> 01:43:17,100 Unknown: oh, man, back in the days when I was much younger 1486 01:43:18,180 --> 01:43:22,470 than 12 years old. Sometimes people would say that if you had 1487 01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:26,700 a piano and a church. That's the type of sound that you did not 1488 01:43:26,700 --> 01:43:32,640 want in a church, the official real what you call country, 1489 01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:39,930 Baptists, serious Jesus worship in church, you do not have that 1490 01:43:39,930 --> 01:43:45,540 devils instrument in that church called a piano. Because that 1491 01:43:45,540 --> 01:43:52,680 same type of apparatus, that same type of box was in what 1492 01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:58,110 they call the mail houses, the houses of ill repute, to houses 1493 01:43:58,110 --> 01:44:04,290 where you had prostitutes, and people drinking, bootleg liquor, 1494 01:44:04,530 --> 01:44:09,600 etc, etc. So you didn't want that same type of box in a house 1495 01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:13,530 of worship. There were elderly people who said that I'm not 1496 01:44:13,530 --> 01:44:16,740 going to that church anymore. They got that Devil's box in 1497 01:44:16,740 --> 01:44:24,930 there. say so. Is that a devil's rock? Maybe? Maybe not. See, 1498 01:44:24,930 --> 01:44:27,330 these are questions that should be answered. 1499 01:44:28,170 --> 01:44:32,100 Adam Curry: Wow, I didn't know this. Devil's box. I like it. 1500 01:44:32,910 --> 01:44:35,460 Moe Factz: Now, I wasn't around with that struggle, because I 1501 01:44:35,460 --> 01:44:41,130 always really be going to church, the piano and Oregon 1502 01:44:41,130 --> 01:44:46,260 were staples in the church. But I do remember pushed back 1503 01:44:46,260 --> 01:44:49,740 against the drumset because like I said, I was raised in a 1504 01:44:49,740 --> 01:44:54,180 Baptist church in the South. Black Southern Baptist Church. 1505 01:44:54,330 --> 01:44:59,520 drones were seeing Oh no, the drums is one step too far. And I 1506 01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:04,800 aver Remember, this is something conversation I remember remember 1507 01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:12,690 hearing being had was the the keyboard right? That was a very 1508 01:45:12,690 --> 01:45:16,980 contentious situation because it's like you're going away from 1509 01:45:16,980 --> 01:45:20,130 the old gospel sound I'm just the Oregon and the piano. And 1510 01:45:20,130 --> 01:45:25,350 that's what I'm saying about the shift right? Before they 1511 01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:28,560 wouldn't let the piano end and a piano crap man and the Oregon 1512 01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:35,490 crap man and the drums crap then then the keyboard Casio keyboard 1513 01:45:35,490 --> 01:45:38,820 which had the built in drum system in it and now your 1514 01:45:38,820 --> 01:45:40,920 services sound very secular 1515 01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:44,070 Adam Curry: interesting. 1516 01:45:45,330 --> 01:45:48,150 Moe Factz: It was a huge push bow remember this to this day? 1517 01:45:48,150 --> 01:45:53,910 It was no and some even churches only sang him hymns. For you 1518 01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:57,360 know from the hymnal? Sure. It wasn't no you know, singing 1519 01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,870 whatever even quote unquote gospel music on the radio, you 1520 01:46:00,870 --> 01:46:03,570 didn't bring that in the church now you had quote, unquote, I 1521 01:46:03,570 --> 01:46:08,490 keep saying I got stopped at the inspirational choir. That was 1522 01:46:08,490 --> 01:46:13,860 the younger choir. It oftentimes is God traveled around between 1523 01:46:13,860 --> 01:46:18,060 churches because he had to keyboard for him. He would do a 1524 01:46:18,060 --> 01:46:21,390 set here and then next week, we over it his next church next 1525 01:46:21,390 --> 01:46:25,620 church, and, and he would bring the ringers in, you know, it was 1526 01:46:25,620 --> 01:46:28,440 one of the best shows that you can have from the inspirational 1527 01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:32,730 choir. But at the same time, there was slippage on what was 1528 01:46:32,730 --> 01:46:33,870 allowing what not, that's 1529 01:46:33,870 --> 01:46:39,420 Adam Curry: interesting, because when we when I first started 1530 01:46:39,420 --> 01:46:41,760 going to the church out here, and you know, we have what we 1531 01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:49,050 call corporate worship music. My main problem, what took getting 1532 01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:54,450 what took some getting used to was there's no solos. It's like, 1533 01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:58,080 where's the solo play and play guitar for like, 20 you know, 1534 01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,600 like, five bars or something just without anyone's singing? 1535 01:47:01,050 --> 01:47:05,100 And it's very interesting how, you know, that's, it's kind of 1536 01:47:05,100

--> 01:47:08,610 like, no, no, we don't do solos in church. Really interesting. 1537 01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:12,539 Moe Factz: And it's funny that you bring that up, because that 1538 01:47:12,539 --> 01:47:17,819 Hillsong type vibe. I think that was the one that Bieber went to, 1539 01:47:17,999 --> 01:47:20,879 you know, that church that Justin Bieber and all the stars 1540 01:47:20,879 --> 01:47:24,689 is going to Yeah, this real would you call it corporate 1541 01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:25,949 worship as a corporate? 1542 01:47:25,950 --> 01:47:29,070 Adam Curry: Yeah. And that, by the way, is is not meant as a 1543 01:47:29,070 --> 01:47:32,430 slam. That's what it's called, is called Corporate in the in 1544 01:47:32,430 --> 01:47:36,840 the form of the corporate and people getting together. But 1545 01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,420 it's double entendre. As far as I'm concerned. 1546 01:47:39,539 --> 01:47:41,669 Moe Factz: It's like it was because you had me going the 1547 01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:46,289 other way. Like, it's like the can worship music, no shade. 1548 01:47:46,619 --> 01:47:48,899 Adam Curry: No, but that's how I interpreted it until I figured 1549 01:47:48,899 --> 01:47:51,869 out Oh, no, this series about saying corporate it's, it has a 1550 01:47:51,869 --> 01:47:54,749 different meaning and like, okay, double entendre 1551 01:47:54,750 --> 01:47:56,850 Moe Factz: it sounds like it sounds like the music that you 1552 01:47:56,850 --> 01:48:01,920 premiere iPhone to right? Yeah, like the real certain chords, 1553 01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:07,230 whatever. But yeah, so that was the push back. But now we got to 1554 01:48:07,230 --> 01:48:11,790 get into who made the crossover from gospel to secular? That is 1555 01:48:11,790 --> 01:48:18,750 one Mr. Sam Cooke. This is the OG of OGS in many ways you 1556 01:48:18,750 --> 01:48:25,170 Adam Curry: sent me Cupid wonderful world. I know them 1557 01:48:25,170 --> 01:48:27,480 all. I Sam Cook, man. I know them all. 1558 01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:31,410 Moe Factz: And I'm gonna give you a quick facts family story. 1559 01:48:32,010 --> 01:48:36,660 Every time Sam Cook will come up around my grandma facts. Yeah. 1560 01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:41,040 Grandpa fans would cut his eyes at her. Cuz you know, that was 1561 01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:46,680 their Usher there Chris Brown. Really? Oh, yeah. Him and Nat 1562 01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:52,800 King Cole. Yeah. Cooking Nat King Cole came what was a 1563 01:48:52,890 --> 01:48:54,660 Adam Curry: good, good looking man. 1564 01:48:55,380 --> 01:48:58,770 Moe Factz: Very handsome. 26 stand open 1565 01:48:58,770 --> 01:49:01,020 Unknown: the door for more singers than you'd ever dream 1566 01:49:01,020 --> 01:49:06,330 of. Because it was an approach to music that we didn't ever 1567 01:49:06,330 --> 01:49:10,170 think the public would accept from blacks. Anyhow, he 1568 01:49:10,170 --> 01:49:12,360 influenced most of us most of us. 1569 01:49:14,640 -->

01:49:19,230 This is the story of how gospel became and why it took a natural 1570 01:49:19,230 --> 01:49:21,990 rule breaker like Sam Cooke to make it all happen. 1571 01:49:29,010 --> 01:49:32,250 The singer was an iconic figure for a new generation of African 1572 01:49:32,250 --> 01:49:37,260 Americans. Sam Cooke was a guy who didn't take a crap from 1573 01:49:37,260 --> 01:49:40,440 people and was someone who really seemed like he wanted to 1574 01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:43,620 control his own destiny as an artist. That became a really big 1575 01:49:43,620 --> 01:49:47,910 issue. Starting in the 1960s, about black people controlling 1576 01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:50,970 their own art. Then Sam Cooke was one of these people, one of 1577 01:49:50,970 --> 01:49:54,480 the first people who really began to show the kind of 1578 01:49:54,750 --> 01:49:58,560 intelligence and guts to do that. Sam Cooke had a lifestyle 1579 01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:03,690 that was beyond the dreams of the most Black Americans. He was 1580 01:50:03,690 --> 01:50:06,960 a major star, a successful businessman, and lived in a 1581 01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:12,810 house in the Hollywood Hills. It was everything he had dreamed of 1582 01:50:12,810 --> 01:50:15,420 as a small boy growing up in Chicago, Southside 1583 01:50:16,949 --> 01:50:21,299 how seven years old Sam was mad. And we talked to him one day, he 1584 01:50:21,299 --> 01:50:24,209 had 12 sticks, and he was sticking sticks in the ground. 1585 01:50:25,379 --> 01:50:27,899 So one day he was stealing the stats, man, why you always 1586 01:50:27,899 --> 01:50:31,469 sticking him sticks in the ground? Like, he's Elsie? He 1587 01:50:31,469 --> 01:50:35,669 said, preparing myself. These sticks. I'm pretending this is 1588 01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:37,709 my audience. It's like paid people, 1589 01:50:38,010 --> 01:50:41,730 these insanely sticks. So when I get to an audience, I won't be 1590 01:50:41,730 --> 01:50:46,650 scared to saying Is it because I'm never going to work in life? 1591 01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:49,950 What do you mean, you never know what some of you're saying? 1592 01:50:53,790 --> 01:50:55,260 Adam Curry: What is this from this? 1593 01:50:55,860 --> 01:50:59,040 Moe Factz: This is the soul deep, the story of black popular 1594 01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:05,040 music. And this is episode two of a multi part series. 1595 01:51:05,070 --> 01:51:07,800 Adam Curry: The number of six is not lost on me number 12. 1596 01:51:08,430 --> 01:51:13,710 Moe Factz: Right. That part is well. And no this is one time 1597 01:51:13,710 --> 01:51:19,590 out there no anointing. People know when they are given a gift. 1598 01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:28,170 And it Sam Cook it was one of the specials. And you're going 1599 01:51:28,170 --> 01:51:32,670 to hear in the next clip how special he was. Because he broke 1600 01:51:32,670 --> 01:51:37,350 the mold on not only crossing over but the style stylistically 1601 01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:37,830 as well. 1602 01:51:38,970 --> 01:51:41,940 Unknown: joining a group like this so service meant a life of 1603 01:51:41,940 --> 01:51:46,590 Torah not following a circuit is the gospel highways. Various has 1604 01:51:46,590 --> 01:51:50,580 now faded into memory. In the 1950s. The Gospel high res was 1605 01:51:50,580 --> 01:51:54,510 exciting place to be as any in America was chosen by quartet 1606 01:51:54,510 --> 01:51:58,050 groups, and numerous gospel leavers and traveling preachers. 1607 01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:08,700 And traveling along the gospel highway, stopping the little 1608 01:52:08,700 --> 01:52:13,680 cities and little towns, and sometimes having church in the 1609 01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:17,520 field. Sometimes having church in the church or sometimes just 1610 01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:22,800 having church in a tent. With so does cheers, people bring in 1611 01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,710 fans and food and all kinds of things. 1612 01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:38,730 For all its religious trappings, the Gospel highway was a form of 1613 01:52:38,730 --> 01:52:42,240 show business. And the artists touring schedules were carefully 1614 01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:47,100 mapped out to maximize their possible earnings. It meant that 1615 01:52:47,550 --> 01:52:52,500 you wanted to hit North Carolina in a tobacco states right after 1616 01:52:52,500 --> 01:52:55,410 the tobacco harvest was in because then your audience had 1617 01:52:55,410 --> 01:52:59,220 some money in their pocket. And you could turn out a church and 1618 01:52:59,220 --> 01:53:02,340 it'd be donations and the Minister wanted you there. You 1619 01:53:02,340 --> 01:53:06,150 wanted to get down south in the winter, you know, farther south 1620 01:53:06,150 --> 01:53:10,380 Florida and so on, when people would go down there because of 1621 01:53:10,380 --> 01:53:12,390 the weather and there'd be people down there with money. 1622 01:53:12,630 --> 01:53:16,170 And that was all part of the gospel highway it was mapped out 1623 01:53:16,170 --> 01:53:19,140 to the degree where any given year you could almost tell where 1624 01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:22,050 a group was gonna be because that month was when there was 1625 01:53:22,050 --> 01:53:24,360 money in Memphis or wherever it was. 1626 01:53:26,970 --> 01:53:28,890 Adam Curry: Yeah, he was a businessman as well. 1627 01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:33,060 Moe Factz: And it was infrastructure laid out well 1628 01:53:33,060 --> 01:53:37,950 before he even showed up. That you're going to be here like 1629 01:53:37,950 --> 01:53:41,790 say, North Carolina you'll be you will be in Durham, North 1630 01:53:41,790 --> 01:53:46,260 Carolina and doing the right tobacco harvest or whatever, you 1631 01:53:46,260 --> 01:53:50,280 know, the agricultural flow was and I remember these tent 1632 01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:54,600 revivals I went to a few of them you know, that showed up every 1633 01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,810 year when I was

younger, you know with my grandmother that it 1634 01:53:57,810 --> 01:54:01,500 would be a tent you know, it'd be hot as a fish grease you know 1635 01:54:01,530 --> 01:54:03,030 what you will be in his tent 1636 01:54:04,380 --> 01:54:05,130 Unknown: but 1637 01:54:06,630 --> 01:54:14,040 Moe Factz: I want to stress the fact the importance of these 1638 01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:18,690 things to keep people moving move him and motivated a lot of 1639 01:54:18,690 --> 01:54:23,490 times and intellectual outlook we've seen like all that you 1640 01:54:23,490 --> 01:54:25,890 know, how are you going down into give your money to the 1641 01:54:25,890 --> 01:54:31,500 pastor but it's churches like their OG value for value 1642 01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:37,500 whatever you got out of it Oh no. 1643 01:54:38,340 --> 01:54:40,470 Adam Curry: pass our pastor always says value for value. 1644 01:54:40,470 --> 01:54:42,900 That's a God thing. Man. That's a God thing. That's what he 1645 01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:43,650 always says. 1646 01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:48,960 Moe Factz: Cuz what you got out of it. You put back into it. So 1647 01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:52,500 now there is gouging. I'm not going to be naive and say 1648 01:54:52,500 --> 01:54:57,240 there's not gouging but for all ladies. This is their chance to 1649 01:54:57,240 --> 01:55:02,100 dress up. Put their nice hat on Um, you know, even though 1650 01:55:02,100 --> 01:55:05,250 they've been on their knees scrubbing all week, this is 1651 01:55:05,250 --> 01:55:14,250 their chance to go and see it and be queens, like, why are 1652 01:55:14,250 --> 01:55:16,860 they shot shot? The Queen crown, right? I thought, hey, you know, 1653 01:55:16,860 --> 01:55:22,620 that kind of thing? Ya know? So is that was their social club. 1654 01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:25,980 And these were their social event. And there was a whole 1655 01:55:25,980 --> 01:55:32,190 system that showed up before. Sam Cooke even showed up. But he 1656 01:55:32,730 --> 01:55:37,260 had a certain talent that crossed over which jeopardize 1657 01:55:38,220 --> 01:55:44,190 the whole no system. Allah. Jackie Robinson, the Negro 1658 01:55:44,190 --> 01:55:50,280 League. The same way Yeah. When was that guy aiming start 1659 01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:53,430 picking up the talent collapses because you don't have the 1660 01:55:53,430 --> 01:56:01,350 talent. Now let's hear about this super, super talented 1661 01:56:01,350 --> 01:56:03,810 person called Sam Cook. 1662 01:56:05,670 --> 01:56:10,170 Unknown: What set him apart, he had a smooth voice had a smooth 1663 01:56:10,230 --> 01:56:17,580 deliverance. And in those days, most gospel singers have Kroff 1664 01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:20,700 voice they were able to get throaty, they will get 1665 01:56:26,700 --> 01:56:32,280 but Sam was always, you know, there was a woman, and the Bible 1666 01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:37,260 days, he was so smooth with it. And he was like an exception, 1667 01:56:37,500

--> 01:56:41,070 you would think you were at a nightclub because he was good. I 1668 01:56:41,070 --> 01:56:48,150 mean, the guy was he was pretty, we loved it. Everybody had a 1669 01:56:48,150 --> 01:56:53,070 crush on Sam. In the Gospel world, they were all in the 1670 01:56:53,070 --> 01:56:57,570 front of the auditorium screaming their hands up and, 1671 01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:01,440 and trying to touch his speed and trying to touch his clothes 1672 01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:04,920 and, and I mean, he had strings of women, we walk offstage, 1673 01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:07,650 they'd all run to the back of the stage trying to get his 1674 01:57:07,650 --> 01:57:10,680 autograph trying to get a hug trying to get a kiss whatever 1675 01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:12,060 they could get just to be here. 1676 01:57:13,740 --> 01:57:16,800 Adam Curry: I'm so glad you're doing this. This is Sam Cooke 1677 01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:23,670 has not talked about anymore his his his role in for so so many 1678 01:57:23,670 --> 01:57:28,170 different reasons out of him came Rolling Stones I mean, also 1679 01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:30,930 also listened to Sam Cooke I mean so much the British 1680 01:57:30,930 --> 01:57:34,260 Invasion a lot the Beatles a lot of people listened to Sam Cooke. 1681 01:57:34,260 --> 01:57:35,640 He was very influential. 1682 01:57:36,780 --> 01:57:40,200 Moe Factz: He changed the paradigm to where he was so 1683 01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:44,670 smooth. It was able to cross over Yeah, we're like she was 1684 01:57:44,670 --> 01:57:47,970 saying with the hollering with the hoop and you know that 1685 01:57:48,180 --> 01:57:51,600 translate into gospel music. This opened it up for a 1686 01:57:51,600 --> 01:58:00,780 different crowd. And a parallel draw draw is we rock him by rat 1687 01:58:00,780 --> 01:58:05,910 was very hard core, you know, power, you know, like kinda do 1688 01:58:05,910 --> 01:58:11,160 to do and rock him came and said, No, I'll be smooth with 1689 01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:17,580 it. And it changed the whole flow of how people read. I mean, 1690 01:58:17,580 --> 01:58:20,430 that's why they call it a God and seek is quiche changed the 1691 01:58:20,430 --> 01:58:24,090 whole way to thing was done where it went from the Run DMC 1692 01:58:24,090 --> 01:58:29,040 kind of powerful bar, even with Chuck D. To this what Sam Cooke 1693 01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:34,410 did this move, rod to be kind of, you know, in a way, we're 1694 01:58:34,410 --> 01:58:37,830 also saying losing the power behind it. 1695 01:58:38,340 --> 01:58:42,000 Adam Curry: I don't I don't know much about Ron Kim Rakeem I'm 1696 01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:45,030 sorry, Arabic Arabiya. RockYou. Well, yeah, that's exactly. 1697 01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:47,850 That's all I know. Eric being Rakim, that's it. What? 1698 01:58:48,150 --> 01:58:49,890 Moe Factz: What? You know why? The same reason you will hear 1699 01:58:49,890 --> 01:58:54,330 about Sam Cooke. The real pioneers. They bury. Yeah, and 1700 01:58:54,330 --> 01:58:57,150 they made me and they put in there what people call it a day 1701 01:58:57,150 --> 01:59:03,360 the industry plants. These words we take out the originators and 1702 01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:07,740 we put in our plants or people that we could control. Right, 1703 01:59:07,740 --> 01:59:13,530 this is why I laid this show out the way I did is they can't 1704 01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:17,610 really harness the power. It's kind of like electricity. They 1705 01:59:17,610 --> 01:59:24,330 just have the light and lines in in spirit where they can. Yeah, 1706 01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:25,920 it's uncontrollable. 1707 01:59:28,350 --> 01:59:34,380 Adam Curry: You're upsetting me now. Well, I'm the guy who can 1708 01:59:34,410 --> 01:59:36,930 ultimately controlled Sam Cooke is Alan Klein. 1709 01:59:37,829 --> 01:59:41,819 Moe Factz: We're gonna get there okay. We're gonna get there. 1710 01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:46,530 Adam Curry: No, I actually met him. I know the guy. He's gone 1711 01:59:46,530 --> 01:59:47,070 now. But 1712 01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:50,280 Moe Factz: this is the reason another reason I was excited 1713 01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:54,420 about this show because from your perspective, you can fill 1714 01:59:54,420 --> 01:59:58,650 in certain gaps you know of how there's a lot going on. Well, 1715 01:59:58,650 --> 02:00:02,490 cool. J this is you know, Oh, Alan clown or whatever, I was 1716 02:00:02,490 --> 02:00:05,910 pretty sure you knew some of these people and I was excited 1717 02:00:05,910 --> 02:00:09,240 to hear your engagement with them. Sure, even more so on the 1718 02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:12,720 next show is going to be very riveting. Okay, but let's get 1719 02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:14,760 back to this show. Do we stop at 2.6? 1720 02:00:15,690 --> 02:00:18,480 Adam Curry: We're Yeah, two sixes what's next? Alright, 1721 02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:19,740 let's go know how 1722 02:00:21,090 --> 02:00:25,530 Unknown: to sing gospel music. You're a saint for the lifted. 1723 02:00:26,430 --> 02:00:30,450 You know, you could drink booze, you could run women, you can 1724 02:00:30,450 --> 02:00:33,750 chase, you could do all everything you wanted to do. But 1725 02:00:33,750 --> 02:00:38,970 you you were okay, as long as you stuck to the gospel. It is 1726 02:00:38,970 --> 02:00:42,720 so crazy. Now that I look at it. The lifestyle didn't go with the 1727 02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:47,730 song. I remember him telling me one afternoon, we got to the 1728 02:00:47,730 --> 02:00:52,320 auditorium quite early. And we sat there on the steps of 1729 02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:57,120 auditorium. And he confided in me that he was getting ready to 1730 02:00:57,120 --> 02:01:02,040 cross over to secular music. And I was saying to myself, God, 1731 02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:05,850 he's gonna cross over to secular music. What if he doesn't make 1732 02:01:05,850 --> 02:01:09,180 it, they're not going to

let him come back in. So I'm like 1733 02:01:09,180 --> 02:01:11,010 saying, You gotta know what you're doing. 1734 02:01:12,270 --> 02:01:15,330 Crossing over was considered an act of betrayal by many in the 1735 02:01:15,330 --> 02:01:19,380 Gospel community. Wow. If he didn't want to alienate his 1736 02:01:19,380 --> 02:01:22,680 gospel fan base, Sam would need to tread very carefully. 1737 02:01:23,100 --> 02:01:27,270 Adam Curry: So crossing over, of course, has religious 1738 02:01:27,330 --> 02:01:29,610 connotations. I hadn't thought about your crossing over, you're 1739 02:01:29,610 --> 02:01:31,770 crossing over to the dark side. 1740 02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:36,330 Moe Factz: It was two crossovers. So to the farthest 1741 02:01:36,330 --> 02:01:42,210 thing that they like this, the far right was stained black, and 1742 02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:50,070 gospel, right. Now, Sam was gonna go over to the instead of 1743 02:01:50,070 --> 02:01:52,950 touring churches to in juke joints, where they call it a 1744 02:01:52,950 --> 02:01:57,540 quote, unquote, did it again, the Chitlin Circuit, you know, 1745 02:01:57,540 --> 02:02:00,900 who got me doing that? No, nearly Fuller, nearly fuller is 1746 02:02:00,900 --> 02:02:09,090 to blame. All right. Yeah, cuz he does, it is. Highlight of 1747 02:02:09,090 --> 02:02:12,420 point that you you're aware that your words can be taken another 1748 02:02:12,420 --> 02:02:15,630 way, but the Chitlin Circuit, that was the two paths, you 1749 02:02:15,630 --> 02:02:19,170 could go on the gospel circuit, or you could go on the Chitlin 1750 02:02:19,170 --> 02:02:25,740 Circuit. But if you had the talent that Sam Cooke head, you 1751 02:02:25,740 --> 02:02:28,080 could cross over to actual 1752 02:02:29,100 --> 02:02:31,530 Adam Curry: white ears explain chitlin 1753 02:02:32,670 --> 02:02:35,970 Moe Factz: Chitlin Circuit that was basically the the juke 1754 02:02:35,970 --> 02:02:36,480 joints. 1755 02:02:37,980 --> 02:02:39,150 Adam Curry: actual word chitlin. 1756 02:02:39,990 --> 02:02:45,330 Moe Factz: Oh, that's pig intestines, that we're returning 1757 02:02:45,330 --> 02:02:51,270 to a southern delicacy. Which another thing? It's amazing. How 1758 02:02:51,270 --> 02:02:55,710 when certain group of people do things, as odd as country that's 1759 02:02:55,710 --> 02:02:57,390 back or whatever, that's pig 1760 02:02:57,390 --> 02:02:58,950 Adam Curry: intestines. Right? 1761 02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:02,730 Moe Factz: But then you eat tripe. And delicacy is like, Oh, 1762 02:03:02,730 --> 02:03:07,080 now now is different. You know? Perception is hey, oh, man, it's 1763 02:03:07,530 --> 02:03:11,160 so new. But no, that was the that was the crossover. And he 1764 02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:15,630 was going from the far right. To the far left. Now, what 1765 02:03:15,630 --> 02:03:19,320 Adam Curry: was seen as a bigger betrayal, crossing over out of 1766 02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:23,730 the church or crossing over to white audiences? Or was was that 1767 02:03:23,730 --> 02:03:25,020 seen as a betrayal as well? 1768 02:03:25,290 --> 02:03:28,650 Moe Factz: If equal is equal? Okay? Because the church people 1769 02:03:28,650 --> 02:03:32,790 were like, Oh, you're leaving us to go sing the devil music. And 1770 02:03:32,790 --> 02:03:36,270 the black secular fans like, Oh, you're leaving us to go sang for 1771 02:03:36,270 --> 02:03:36,870 white people. 1772 02:03:38,370 --> 02:03:41,160 Adam Curry: And it's a shame that that's always been seen as 1773 02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:48,600 a bad thing. Because it actually it's it hampers the human 1774 02:03:48,900 --> 02:03:49,890 experience. 1775 02:03:51,990 --> 02:03:57,090 Moe Factz: Well, is that here's the thing, though. Because if 1776 02:03:58,140 --> 02:04:02,160 like, say Pat podcasted for instance, right? Say you built 1777 02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:06,930 no agenda up to what it is. And then somebody comes along a 1778 02:04:07,020 --> 02:04:09,930 curry will cut you a check for so and so. So and so for 1779 02:04:09,930 --> 02:04:11,880 complete creative control. 1780 02:04:13,620 --> 02:04:18,000 Adam Curry: Okay, okay. But that's different from I mean, 1781 02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:23,100 just think about that for a second. So was playing for white 1782 02:04:23,100 --> 02:04:27,630 audiences? Was that inherently equal to giving up his creative 1783 02:04:27,630 --> 02:04:28,290 control? 1784 02:04:29,550 --> 02:04:32,640 Moe Factz: Yes, it still is today. Because when you sign a 1785 02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:35,850 record deal, they pick the records that go now album, you 1786 02:04:35,850 --> 02:04:38,820 can make all the you can make 1000 records. You know, you 1787 02:04:38,820 --> 02:04:40,470 don't There are that they won't. 1788 02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:42,600 Adam Curry: There are black owned labels. I just want to 1789 02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:46,470 point out that, you know, record labels by themselves have 1790 02:04:46,470 --> 02:04:49,500 inherent evilness to them, no matter one color owns them. 1791 02:04:50,580 --> 02:04:53,370 Moe Factz: No, what I'm saying is this, that you're giving up 1792 02:04:53,370 --> 02:04:56,220 the creative control because some group of people are going 1793 02:04:56,220 --> 02:04:59,640 to pick your sound, okay? All right. Okay. That's just like 1794 02:04:59,640 --> 02:05:02,040 they're saying car, you can't play that clip. You know, it's 1795 02:05:02,040 --> 02:05:06,240 like you come in with 100 clips, and they get to pick the 25 1796 02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:09,540 that's gonna go on the show for me, are you right? It's like we 1797 02:05:09,540 --> 02:05:13,440 did the work with your you go back to the word curating again, 1798 02:05:13,680 --> 02:05:17,910 you're curating what you think is gonna be most palatable to 1799 02:05:17,910 --> 02:05:23,490 the wider audience. Right? Which that was that you know, what's 1800 02:05:23,490 --> 02:05:29,310 the word

would they call it? Water now you know that's that's 1801 02:05:29,340 --> 02:05:31,950 you know you go on commercial because you're looking at 1802 02:05:31,950 --> 02:05:37,530 hitting the numbers not keeping true to the to the Brian got you 1803 02:05:37,530 --> 02:05:37,950 where you're at 1804 02:05:37,980 --> 02:05:41,460 Adam Curry: right and that and that is necessary and true in a 1805 02:05:41,460 --> 02:05:47,220 limited system where a small or a group owns the distribution 1806 02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:49,590 it's really about distribution. 1807 02:05:50,430 --> 02:05:54,480 Moe Factz: The oh that's where that in the shows. Yeah, cuz 1808 02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:57,540 Adam Curry: just it's also distribution to shows or 1809 02:05:57,540 --> 02:05:59,100 distributions all distribution. 1810 02:05:59,700 --> 02:06:01,710 Moe Factz: That's why Live Nation is so huge because they 1811 02:06:01,710 --> 02:06:06,090 own the venue's Yeah, you own the rights to the venue's you 1812 02:06:06,090 --> 02:06:11,910 get to pick who's on the stage. And Sam was a problem so you get 1813 02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:21,990 2.1 1964 1814 02:06:23,820 --> 02:06:26,940 Unknown: One of America's biggest pop idols, objecting to 1815 02:06:26,940 --> 02:06:35,970 achieve Los Angeles motel rundown part of an issue never 1816 02:06:42,750 --> 02:06:46,890 in his brief life, some programs to change popular music forever 1817 02:06:47,820 --> 02:06:55,140 set the standard for every single day to follow. First, I 1818 02:06:55,140 --> 02:07:01,200 loaded. Last 1819 02:07:03,420 --> 02:07:06,930 one of gospel music's greatest stars, I'm combining the 1820 02:07:06,930 --> 02:07:10,740 transformation of black church music into mainstream pop, and 1821 02:07:10,740 --> 02:07:11,520 fear you 1822 02:07:14,250 --> 02:07:18,870 couldn't have the popular music that we have today. Without that 1823 02:07:18,870 --> 02:07:21,570 crossover from the church to pop music having one of the 1824 02:07:21,570 --> 02:07:25,680 foundations of pop music as we know it is classical music in 1825 02:07:27,120 --> 02:07:30,900 America was shot. This child of the church was brutally killed 1826 02:07:30,900 --> 02:07:36,540 after an argument at the motel. For by the time of his death, he 1827 02:07:36,540 --> 02:07:39,780 had inspired a generation of singers to turn the church music 1828 02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:43,770 that had grown up into the soundtrack more than America. 1829 02:07:50,550 --> 02:07:54,480 Adam Curry: Yeah, he was killed by a black woman, I think who 1830 02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:55,470 owned the motel. 1831 02:07:57,090 --> 02:07:57,870 Moe Factz: Allegedly. 1832 02:08:00,240 --> 02:08:02,610 Adam Curry: There is of course a case to be made that all the 1833 02:08:02,610 --> 02:08:07,800 singers who have real influence eventually are eliminated one 1834 02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:12,030 way or the other, either by nature or by God or by evil. 1835 02:08:13,530 --> 02:08:15,240 Tupac, you could go 1836 02:08:15,240 --> 02:08:19,020 Moe Factz: my memory serves me correct, that he was killed in 1837 02:08:19,020 --> 02:08:27,750 December of 64. Malcolm was cute in February of 65. Okay, and 1838 02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:30,390 there's some connection between the two as we're gonna see here, 1839 02:08:30,390 --> 02:08:34,620 but let's get more into the unsolved death of Sam Cooke. 1840 02:08:34,890 --> 02:08:37,980 Unknown: Later in the year, Sam heard Bob Dylan song blowing in 1841 02:08:37,980 --> 02:08:41,400 the wind and was moved by its lyrics. He felt that if a white 1842 02:08:41,400 --> 02:08:44,460 songwriter could write such a moving song about race, perhaps 1843 02:08:44,460 --> 02:08:47,580 he should write one to the final spur came from Martin Luther 1844 02:08:47,580 --> 02:08:50,790 King's I Have a Dream speech, Sam claimed that a change is 1845 02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:54,060 going to come came to him in a dream as a whole complete song. 1846 02:08:54,120 --> 02:08:57,750 Sam had long been a supporter of the civil rights movement and a 1847 02:08:57,750 --> 02:09:00,960 change is gonna come was adopted by the movement as one of their 1848 02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:04,530 anthems. A single of the song did not appear until two weeks 1849 02:09:04,530 --> 02:09:08,460 after Sam's death. The song was amended and re recorded before 1850 02:09:08,460 --> 02:09:12,030 release as a single devoted a great deal of time and effort 1851 02:09:12,030 --> 02:09:14,700 writing the song and it's considered to be his most 1852 02:09:14,730 --> 02:09:17,820 influential composition. It's consistently appeared in 1853 02:09:17,820 --> 02:09:21,030 Greatest Songs lists and as found a place in the Library of 1854 02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:23,940 Congress's National Recording Registry. He was known to be 1855 02:09:23,940 --> 02:09:26,700 sympathetic to the aims of the civil rights movement and 1856 02:09:26,700 --> 02:09:30,270 expressed his views in song and through interviews taken at face 1857 02:09:30,270 --> 02:09:33,450 value. His death seems straightforward. He was shot by 1858 02:09:33,450 --> 02:09:36,780 the night manager of a motel who feared he was going to attack 1859 02:09:36,780 --> 02:09:40,110 her. She claimed she acted in self defense, the authorities 1860 02:09:40,110 --> 02:09:42,960 accepted her explanation and declared the death to be 1861 02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:46,470 justifiable homicide. Many others including his friends, 1862 02:09:46,500 --> 02:09:49,800 family, and various witnesses disagreed and the events 1863 02:09:49,830 --> 02:09:52,920 surrounding Sam's death have been debated ever since. 1864 02:09:53,700 --> 02:09:59,160 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. Well, the timing is, is indeed curious 1865 02:09:59,190 --> 02:10:03,090 and especially With the song coming out in a remixed version 1866 02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:05,040 after he after he died 1867 02:10:05,220 --> 02:10:09,810 Moe Factz: yeah maybe some minute

changes tweaking some 1868 02:10:09,810 --> 02:10:14,940 tweaking and this is the point I was trying to make. Excuse me 1869 02:10:14,940 --> 02:10:16,050 about creative control 1870 02:10:16,080 --> 02:10:16,590 Adam Curry: yeah 1871 02:10:18,300 --> 02:10:22,140 Moe Factz: we don't think those couple of lines right will 1872 02:10:22,140 --> 02:10:25,380 register you know with the demographics can you go back and 1873 02:10:25,710 --> 02:10:31,260 re record that now? Let me make it clear. There is a sweet spot 1874 02:10:32,430 --> 02:10:40,230 to where these frequencies meet. Case in point some of the best 1875 02:10:40,260 --> 02:10:47,520 Isley Brothers songs are covered a white artist really noticed 1876 02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:52,830 all I see if I seen rain Yes, that's James Taylor. Yes. Go 1877 02:10:52,830 --> 02:10:55,680 listen to the Ozzy brothers version 1878 02:10:55,710 --> 02:11:01,440 Adam Curry: but so is summer dreams make me feel 1879 02:11:01,650 --> 02:11:04,320 Moe Factz: that's another Lika which I don't know which who 1880 02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:07,830 covered who I'm not sure the timeline on that. But a lot of 1881 02:11:07,830 --> 02:11:12,120 their greatest songs are covered but yet and still is so 1882 02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:16,650 different. That is almost its own song. Like you could take 1883 02:11:16,650 --> 02:11:21,600 somebody to cover North Richmond. Yeah. Remix a certain 1884 02:11:21,600 --> 02:11:28,080 way that it would be you know, on the parallel with them with 1885 02:11:28,290 --> 02:11:32,940 Sam Cooke song which was one of the last negro spirituals there 1886 02:11:32,940 --> 02:11:38,220 is an interesting change is gonna come Yeah, that that right 1887 02:11:38,220 --> 02:11:46,740 there is is quintessential negro spiritual. The way it moves you 1888 02:11:46,740 --> 02:11:50,370 that way I don't care who you are. When new first sets in a 1889 02:11:50,370 --> 02:11:56,790 corner store plus start playing invokes emotion and less use you 1890 02:11:56,790 --> 02:12:02,700 just came for you. I'm sorry. Um, but it was still tailored. 1891 02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:07,650 By my Sam. I can't take that line. Now. Take this line out. 1892 02:12:07,650 --> 02:12:11,460 Can't say this. Can't say that. And it still goes on to today. 1893 02:12:11,550 --> 02:12:13,920 Some because you can say that go summer breeze 1894 02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:17,460 Adam Curry: was seals and Crofts. See? Yeah, you're right. 1895 02:12:18,030 --> 02:12:18,540 Wow. 1896 02:12:19,050 --> 02:12:21,900 Moe Factz: Some of their best souls recovers. And that's what 1897 02:12:21,900 --> 02:12:25,260 blew me because I don't like and they sing the Isley Brothers. 1898 02:12:25,260 --> 02:12:27,810 But when you go back and listen, you know, it's like no, they're 1899 02:12:27,810 --> 02:12:29,370 actually doing covers other people. 1900 02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:31,800 Adam Curry: That's so interesting because Elvis was 1901 02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:34,740 accused of being the white guy sitting in the black songs. 1902 02:12:35,370 --> 02:12:39,900 Moe Factz: Yes. And a black man taught him how to dance. With 1903 02:12:39,900 --> 02:12:40,470 Forrest Gump. 1904 02:12:40,500 --> 02:12:42,540 Adam Curry: Right, which is by definition, 1905 02:12:42,750 --> 02:12:45,390 Moe Factz: especially right past him. It's an actual crossover. 1906 02:12:46,170 --> 02:12:51,060 That's that right past you. I'm sorry. I see a forest go a black 1907 02:12:51,060 --> 02:12:55,950 man taught him how to dance. Yeah. I got it. That's what the 1908 02:12:55,950 --> 02:13:01,080 movie was about. Just Just as a quick facts moment, Forrest 1909 02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:07,050 Gump, it was about him being biracial. Right. Yeah, you do 1910 02:13:07,050 --> 02:13:11,700 realize that yes, I know that. When you look at the lens 1911 02:13:11,730 --> 02:13:16,200 through that movie, just to speak on how powerful art is. It 1912 02:13:16,200 --> 02:13:19,080 wasn't his intelligent level while he was treated differently 1913 02:13:21,240 --> 02:13:26,910 Adam Curry: right. Yes, yeah, gotcha. I gotcha. 1914 02:13:26,940 --> 02:13:29,370 Moe Factz: And that was allude to like him teaching Elvis how 1915 02:13:29,370 --> 02:13:36,240 to dance. Elvis is dancing and all that Baba buddy seats taking 1916 02:13:36,240 --> 02:13:39,870 and all that all that is illusion to who the real Mr. 1917 02:13:39,870 --> 02:13:43,410 goat was. But you know, I'm so good. 1918 02:13:43,410 --> 02:13:45,690 Adam Curry: So good. So good. Yeah, so good. 1919 02:13:46,650 --> 02:13:48,780 Moe Factz: I digress. But let's go and get into part 1920 02:13:48,780 --> 02:13:52,800 Unknown: two. On December 11 1964, Sam Cooke booked a room 1921 02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:56,670 in the Hacienda motel in LA with a girl named Elisa Boyer. She 1922 02:13:56,670 --> 02:13:59,970 had been booked in as Mrs. Cook but in fact, she and Sam had 1923 02:13:59,970 --> 02:14:02,820 eaten at a restaurant in town and then came to the Hacienda 1924 02:14:02,820 --> 02:14:05,850 together, Sam's infidelities were well known, and he had 1925 02:14:05,850 --> 02:14:09,000 fathered at least three children legitimately. In a room at the 1926 02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:12,780 motel. Elisa Boyer claimed Sam tore off her clothing and she 1927 02:14:12,780 --> 02:14:15,420 feared he was going to rape her. When he went to the bathroom. 1928 02:14:15,450 --> 02:14:18,720 She grabbed her clothes and flat in grabbing her clothes. She 1929 02:14:18,720 --> 02:14:21,630 also scooped up most of Sam's clothes. When he came out of the 1930 02:14:21,630 --> 02:14:24,960 bathroom, he realized what happened and gave chase. Elisa 1931 02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:27,900 meantime had tried to raise the night manager and hide in her 1932 02:14:27,900 --> 02:14:30,810 office. The Night Manager was too slow and coming to the 1933 02:14:30,810 --> 02:14:34,170 office door and Elisa fled to the street. Sam

reached the 1934 02:14:34,170 --> 02:14:37,590 office and thinking Elisa was in there demanded entry he was 1935 02:14:37,590 --> 02:14:41,100 dressed only in a jacket and with one shoe. The Night Manager 1936 02:14:41,100 --> 02:14:43,950 was a woman named Bertha Franklin and seeing that Sam was 1937 02:14:43,950 --> 02:14:47,280 angry and aggressive, grabbed a gun and shot him in the chest 1938 02:14:47,310 --> 02:14:50,190 Sam lunge towards her and she hit him several times with a 1939 02:14:50,190 --> 02:14:53,190 broom handle. The gunshot had been fatal though and Sam 1940 02:14:53,190 --> 02:14:55,950 collapsed and died on the floor of the office. That's the 1941 02:14:55,950 --> 02:14:58,560 official story and the one recorded by police 1942 02:14:58,620 --> 02:15:03,690 Adam Curry: go okay, this is the Only story I know. There must be 1943 02:15:03,690 --> 02:15:07,440 a second story in the next clip I'm thinking, But wait there's 1944 02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:09,750 more. For there are 1945 02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:12,270 Unknown: however, a number of inconsistencies we have to 1946 02:15:12,270 --> 02:15:15,330 highlight. Firstly, restaurant staff and customers were the 1947 02:15:15,330 --> 02:15:18,510 pair had eaten claimed Sam had a large quantity of money with 1948 02:15:18,510 --> 02:15:21,870 him. Ostensibly this was to buy Christmas gifts. That money was 1949 02:15:21,870 --> 02:15:25,410 never recovered. Bertha Franklin had at one time been an operator 1950 02:15:25,410 --> 02:15:28,590 of a brothel. And rumors persisted after the killing that 1951 02:15:28,590 --> 02:15:31,680 she and Boyer who had worked as a prostitute were running a 1952 02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:34,680 scam. Boyer would find victims and offer to sleep with them, 1953 02:15:34,710 --> 02:15:37,410 but the two women would pickpocket them and then cry 1954 02:15:37,410 --> 02:15:41,070 rape. Franklin had shot a motel guest in similar circumstances 1955 02:15:41,100 --> 02:15:44,490 just six months earlier, those who viewed Sam's body when it 1956 02:15:44,490 --> 02:15:47,430 had been laid out in his coffin were alarmed at the beating he 1957 02:15:47,430 --> 02:15:50,610 must have taken before he died reliable witnesses like Etta 1958 02:15:50,610 --> 02:15:53,520 James claimed that a broom handle could not have caused the 1959 02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:57,000 injuries they saw Sam's head had been almost severed and he was 1960 02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:00,090 bruised and cut to a major extent. What's the real story? 1961 02:16:00,150 --> 02:16:03,360 We can only guess there are some who suggests that Alan Klein 1962 02:16:03,390 --> 02:16:06,690 Sam's manager might have been behind the murder Sam's death 1963 02:16:06,690 --> 02:16:10,290 would give Klein ownership of a rice rinds back catalogue. He 1964 02:16:10,290 --> 02:16:13,590 does seem an unlikely culprit as a living Sam would produce more 1965 02:16:13,590 --> 02:16:17,430 songs and so bring more wealth decline. Another popular theory 1966 02:16:17,430 --> 02:16:21,000 is that a government agencies such as the FBI or CIA were the 1967 02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:24,030 prime movers in the murder. Perhaps they wished to remove a 1968 02:16:24,030 --> 02:16:27,030 civil rights activist whose popularity they feared. It's 1969 02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:30,090 argued that Franklin and Boyer were implicit in a deal that 1970 02:16:30,090 --> 02:16:33,390 guaranteed them immunity from prosecution for other crimes. 1971 02:16:33,450 --> 02:16:36,780 This theory tries to explain the injury Sam's sustained by 1972 02:16:36,780 --> 02:16:40,050 suggesting he was beaten up by government agents before being 1973 02:16:40,050 --> 02:16:43,170 shot. Whether the shot was fired by Franklin or someone else 1974 02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:46,050 can't be proven. It may or may not be relevant to note that 1975 02:16:46,050 --> 02:16:49,020 Elisa Boyer was arrested the following month for agreeing to 1976 02:16:49,020 --> 02:16:53,040 have sex with an undercover police officer for $40.15 years 1977 02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:55,830 later, she was charged with manslaughter and convicted for 1978 02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:57,270 shooting her then boyfriend. 1979 02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:59,579 Adam Curry: All right, well, this is much more believable 1980 02:16:59,579 --> 02:17:03,869 than the other story. Particularly FBI and CIA, of 1981 02:17:03,869 --> 02:17:08,639 course, you know, we would believe we're complicit in 1982 02:17:08,729 --> 02:17:13,439 Martin Luther King's shooting. Alan Klein, I would say knowing 1983 02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:17,879 him he was feared and revered in the music business. I met him 1984 02:17:17,879 --> 02:17:21,479 once at a probably the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame dinner. And I 1985 02:17:21,479 --> 02:17:24,569 was like Alan Klein. Actually 1986 02:17:24,600 --> 02:17:28,530 Moe Factz: always like to Suge Knight was even shaking my 1987 02:17:28,530 --> 02:17:29,250 elbow, 1988 02:17:29,430 --> 02:17:32,340 Adam Curry: you know. And I actually recall having no I 1989 02:17:32,340 --> 02:17:36,390 think we had a meeting. We had a meeting and now this is going to 1990 02:17:36,390 --> 02:17:44,310 be 2000 not not long before he died, actually, maybe four years 1991 02:17:44,310 --> 02:17:49,620 before he died. I think he died in the mid 2000s. And it was 1992 02:17:49,620 --> 02:17:53,790 about music on the internet. Maybe? No, it was it was before 1993 02:17:53,790 --> 02:17:59,040 it was no I'm wrong. It was in the late 90s. And I just 1994 02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:02,130 remember how intimidating he was. But you know, we he took 1995 02:18:02,130 --> 02:18:08,490 the meeting. And he was feared and revered i i would say 1996 02:18:09,420 --> 02:18:12,210 knowing that just that little bit of client I don't think he 1997 02:18:12,210 --> 02:18:15,930 would have he could make more money and eventually get the 1998 02:18:15,930 --> 02:18:19,380 rights and do

whatever he wanted without having to have Sam Cooke 1999 02:18:19,380 --> 02:18:22,560 killed. I think he's he's definitely the kind of guys like 2000 02:18:22,560 --> 02:18:26,370 as long as I own you. I don't care I don't care. Just keep 2001 02:18:26,370 --> 02:18:31,170 keep doing it. Keep doing what you're doing. And of course 2002 02:18:31,170 --> 02:18:31,350 don't 2003 02:18:31,350 --> 02:18:33,840 Moe Factz: create it's there. So I'm curious, let Lin lend it to 2004 02:18:33,840 --> 02:18:37,860 that because people will say why we should not kill Tupac. He was 2005 02:18:37,860 --> 02:18:41,670 saying he was signed to you know, you know a long term 2006 02:18:41,670 --> 02:18:45,510 record deal. Yeah, but there's this thing that cropped up in 2007 02:18:45,540 --> 02:18:48,900 you know, the rap community that there rappers get better 2008 02:18:48,900 --> 02:18:51,420 promotion? Well, no 2009 02:18:51,450 --> 02:18:56,490 Adam Curry: dead rappers and as we now know arrested rappers go 2010 02:18:56,490 --> 02:19:01,170 to jail get a hit. This is what 45 Savage is witnessing? Yes, 2011 02:19:01,170 --> 02:19:01,350 he's 2012 02:19:01,350 --> 02:19:08,910 Moe Factz: taking the drill rap formula to a whole case in the 2013 02:19:09,420 --> 02:19:10,410 to the top of the charts. 2014 02:19:10,500 --> 02:19:17,130 Adam Curry: Yeah. What it didn't do in the Allen Klein Sam Cooke 2015 02:19:17,130 --> 02:19:23,610 relationship and did not help the the struggle between black 2016 02:19:23,610 --> 02:19:27,570 Americans and Jewish Americans know that that really is one of 2017 02:19:27,570 --> 02:19:30,990 those relationships like See, see who's in charge. Yeah, 2018 02:19:30,990 --> 02:19:33,120 that's that's kind of what that did. 2019 02:19:33,779 --> 02:19:41,009 Moe Factz: Which I still think that's overplay. When you look 2020 02:19:41,009 --> 02:19:44,399 at who's the institutional money behind these record labels, you 2021 02:19:44,399 --> 02:19:47,999 know, it's bigger than that. Now, all the uses. 2022 02:19:49,380 --> 02:19:50,970 Adam Curry: Yeah, say that. Tell that to Kanye 2023 02:19:52,110 --> 02:19:55,350 Moe Factz: Tasman. What's the other thing he realized that 2024 02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:59,910 even when the money gets big enough, the Jewish community has 2025 02:19:59,910 --> 02:20:03,510 to Take a step back. Like when Adidas, Adidas is like we're 2026 02:20:03,510 --> 02:20:06,150 over, you're bleeding cash, right? We got it. We gotta get 2027 02:20:06,180 --> 02:20:09,930 we gotta sell these sneakers and then they have to acquiesce to 2028 02:20:09,930 --> 02:20:12,780 whatever Adidas needs to do. Right? And who's the 2029 02:20:12,780 --> 02:20:15,480 institutional money behind Adidas you know, when we start 2030 02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:20,340 looking at the big name investors? That that's what the 2031 02:20:20,340 --> 02:20:25,620 beauty of corporations is it hides it so well who actually 2032 02:20:25,620 --> 02:20:28,890 pulling the puppet strings? Yeah. But we don't have any 2033 02:20:28,890 --> 02:20:30,960 puppet strings. We have producers 2034 02:20:30,990 --> 02:20:33,480 Adam Curry: we do. And we'd like to thank him and we love it when 2035 02:20:33,480 --> 02:20:34,920 they send us new money 2036 02:20:34,950 --> 02:20:37,020 Unknown: by like bribing money. I just I don't want any money 2037 02:20:37,020 --> 02:20:41,670 around me. It's not. I don't really have a new one that are 2038 02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:45,510 brighter than an old 20. That's kind of dumb. But there's 2039 02:20:45,510 --> 02:20:48,390 something about new money that excites you. You like $100 2040 02:20:48,390 --> 02:20:53,490 bills, owe money to the most beautiful thing on earth is 2041 02:20:53,490 --> 02:20:59,100 $100. Bill. That is good looking. Excited. 2042 02:20:59,640 --> 02:21:02,730 Adam Curry: I can't wait to tell Tina about this episode. Because 2043 02:21:02,730 --> 02:21:06,870 she's like, Oh, this is what oh, she's, I can't wait to my pastor 2044 02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:09,240 about this episode. I want people to listen, as there's 2045 02:21:09,240 --> 02:21:12,840 some value in here. That is just one of those typical mo facts 2046 02:21:12,840 --> 02:21:18,120 with Adam curry. moments where you can't get this anywhere 2047 02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:22,920 else. This is phenomenal. I love this. We have a lot of people. 2048 02:21:23,250 --> 02:21:24,090 Yes, go ahead. 2049 02:21:24,599 --> 02:21:27,269 Moe Factz: And the producers make it happen. Exactly. The 2050 02:21:27,269 --> 02:21:32,369 thing is, we're on the Chitlin Circuit here, folks. You have 2051 02:21:35,039 --> 02:21:39,629 what is? Isn't that what literally it is, you know, I get 2052 02:21:39,629 --> 02:21:42,749 on this guy's shoulder, give me a bigger platform. You know, I 2053 02:21:42,749 --> 02:21:46,979 leverage that relationship to grow my thing. And then I'll 2054 02:21:46,979 --> 02:21:49,859 open up the door maybe for somebody to come on my show to 2055 02:21:49,859 --> 02:21:54,029 give them profile. And that's basically what it is the same 2056 02:21:54,029 --> 02:21:54,719 thing. May 2057 02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:57,240 Adam Curry: we always stay on the Chitlin Circuit? Well, 2058 02:21:57,300 --> 02:22:01,890 Moe Factz: I hope so. I wouldn't I don't plan. Because, yeah, 2059 02:22:02,130 --> 02:22:06,060 being small, and having creative control is more valuable to me 2060 02:22:06,060 --> 02:22:07,830 than being big and being controlled. 2061 02:22:08,310 --> 02:22:13,500 Adam Curry: Yep, I figured this out. About my 50s In my early 2062 02:22:13,500 --> 02:22:18,030 50s When I figured this out. being number one is is not it 2063 02:22:18,030 --> 02:22:20,160 probably never was what you think it what you think it 2064 02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:24,210 really is? Having a community who support you, that's 2065 02:22:24,210 --> 02:22:28,050 everything like Daniel White, who supports us

with $47 and 2066 02:22:28,050 --> 02:22:31,350 says, Hey, y'all, can I get one of those birthday biscuits for 2067 02:22:31,350 --> 02:22:35,310 myself? They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. Yep. 47 2068 02:22:35,310 --> 02:22:38,550 on June 29, a little bit late. Sorry about that. But you know, 2069 02:22:38,580 --> 02:22:42,000 the biscuit always stays fresh. Always enjoy the show. Looking 2070 02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,400 forward to whatever slides out of the most out of the fax 2071 02:22:44,400 --> 02:22:48,120 machine next y'all be good. That's sir dirty Jersey whore is 2072 02:22:48,120 --> 02:22:51,780 a good guy. I met him in Georgia. fun guy. Matthew 2073 02:22:51,780 --> 02:22:55,650 Weaver. $40. Thank you Matthew Matt Baja episode 92 and 91. 2074 02:22:55,650 --> 02:22:58,290 Thank you looking forward to your next endeavor. Christopher 2075 02:22:58,290 --> 02:23:02,940 Dibiase 33 No, no, but the magic number. We've got Justin duel 2076 02:23:03,030 --> 02:23:06,750 with 33 Mo has uncovered something very important. White 2077 02:23:06,750 --> 02:23:12,840 supremacy is light supremacy. You know who I mean? What what 2078 02:23:12,840 --> 02:23:16,800 is this from? Hmm, what do you think he's saying here? White 2079 02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:17,250 supremacy 2080 02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:24,210 Moe Factz: Lucifer. Oh, got it. Got it. The Who? And these 2081 02:23:24,210 --> 02:23:29,100 bodies? These notes are just as good the timing of them. What 2082 02:23:29,100 --> 02:23:31,320 was he over the head? The leader music? 2083 02:23:32,040 --> 02:23:35,550 Adam Curry: Exactly. Oh, wow. Side note. Mo Have you ever 2084 02:23:35,550 --> 02:23:41,280 thought you'd make a good judge? Ah, have you ever thought about 2085 02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:41,730 it, man? 2086 02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:45,960 Moe Factz: I would. I think I would. Yeah, no reason why I say 2087 02:23:45,960 --> 02:23:48,750 that is because proverbs that's what it's all about is becoming 2088 02:23:48,750 --> 02:23:52,230 a good. You know, Judge King Solomon? 2089 02:23:52,890 --> 02:24:00,060 Adam Curry: Yes, indeed. 30 from Benjamin Barlow Christie Carlton 2090 02:24:00,090 --> 02:24:03,540 David Paris. says thank you for sharing your thoughts and 2091 02:24:03,540 --> 02:24:06,990 putting out such powerful products all the best. Eric Maki 2092 02:24:06,990 --> 02:24:11,970 3493. And like it, we got Kyle tackle, Michael Talbot, Seth 2093 02:24:11,970 --> 02:24:16,470 Peterson and Vanessa Steinbach. All with $30 Thank you. 20 fives 2094 02:24:16,470 --> 02:24:20,310 from Andrew, Andrea Jackson. And who says every time I've 2095 02:24:20,310 --> 02:24:23,100 listened I've learned something new. Raymond grill loves this 2096 02:24:23,100 --> 02:24:29,520 show, Melissa? A bead I think Ebeid Ebeid. 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To do this and to be part of the 2173 02:29:46,260 --> 02:29:51,420 future and to have a secure future. And also to participate 2174 02:29:51,420 --> 02:29:54,960 in the new value for value music, which is really spreading 2175 02:29:54,960 --> 02:29:58,740 the value into a whole new group. It's igniting a whole new 2176 02:29:58,740 --> 02:30:03,840 group of podcasters Get a modern podcast app dropped the legacy 2177 02:30:03,870 --> 02:30:10,080 apple. Was it Spotify, you get over 26 new features including 2178 02:30:10,200 --> 02:30:14,340 the freedom to send value directly to the podcast or 2179 02:30:14,340 --> 02:30:18,510 directly to the musician without any middleman, Botha podcast 2180 02:30:18,510 --> 02:30:21,810 apps.com. And of course, thank you all for supporting Moe facts 2181 02:30:21,810 --> 02:30:24,990 with Adam curry, which you can learn more about on our donation 2182 02:30:24,990 --> 02:30:29,700 page at mo facts.com Go directly to it at mo fahmy.com Thank you 2183 02:30:29,700 --> 02:30:32,730 again for being here for episode 93. 2184 02:30:35,940 --> 02:30:41,790 Moe Factz: So we have a couple of different motives and 2185 02:30:41,790 --> 02:30:44,850 possible way Sam Cooke was taken out. Oh, good. We're 2186 02:30:44,850 --> 02:30:46,410 Adam Curry: back where we haven't finished with the 2187 02:30:46,410 --> 02:30:48,090 mystery. Good. Oh, no, 2188 02:30:48,330 --> 02:30:55,140 Moe Factz: he goes we go. So we have the the course the record 2189 02:30:55,140 --> 02:30:59,220 label to point the finger at you know this groan Oh, but that 2190 02:30:59,220 --> 02:31:02,070 doesn't really make a lot of sense to kill the goose that 2191 02:31:02,070 --> 02:31:08,010 lays the golden egg. No, that's not you know it. In the case 2192 02:31:08,010 --> 02:31:11,910 wherever leaving and not under contract, maybe. But it doesn't 2193 02:31:11,910 --> 02:31:16,920 make much sense. Now you got where he just got what a 2194 02:31:16,920 --> 02:31:23,370 prostitute. And she tried to trick rolling. But I don't think 2195 02:31:23,370 --> 02:31:27,090 he's gonna take it that far over some money. Even though it's 2196 02:31:27,090 --> 02:31:31,650 Christmas money. You can't. If nothing else, you cannot go home 2197 02:31:31,650 --> 02:31:34,590 without the Christmas money. You know how I feel about Christmas? 2198 02:31:35,130 --> 02:31:38,880 The baby's got to have Christmas. So maybe that sent 2199 02:31:38,880 --> 02:31:42,780 him over the edge? Who knows? But then we also have the 2200 02:31:42,990 --> 02:31:48,300 intelligence agencies. You know, what were they trying to stop a 2201 02:31:48,300 --> 02:31:52,650 person that had the ear of the people. Let's go ahead and get 2202 02:31:52,650 --> 02:31:56,370 to number 35. This is from our Prophet. He does great work on 2203 02:31:56,370 --> 02:32:00,000 documentaries document documenting this kind of history 2204 02:32:00,870 --> 02:32:01,560 35 2205 02:32:01,620 --> 02:32:05,970 Unknown: Back in December 64. Sam Cooke was a huge star. But 2206 02:32:05,970 --> 02:32:09,780 unlike almost all black entertainers at the time, he was 2207 02:32:09,780 --> 02:32:13,530 looking towards black economic power. The record label he was 2208 02:32:13,530 --> 02:32:18,000 signed with RCA was pushing Sam towards crossing over more to 2209 02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:21,420 the white consumer. His song about the Jim Crow South, a 2210 02:32:21,420 --> 02:32:26,220 change gonna come and lyrics that were cut out by RCA as they 2211 02:32:26,220 --> 02:32:29,700 didn't want to upset the white audience buying Sam's records. 2212 02:32:30,180 --> 02:32:33,780 But Sam Cooke felt there was room for both in his life, and 2213 02:32:33,780 --> 02:32:38,730 as his music career grew, so did his political angles. When 2214 02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:43,440 cashes clay changed his name to Muhammad Ali and defeated Sonny 2215 02:32:43,440 --> 02:32:47,460 Liston for the Heavyweight Championship in 1964. Sam Cooke 2216 02:32:47,460 --> 02:32:51,000 was there, along with Malcolm Max from the Nation of Islam. 2217 02:32:51,180 --> 02:32:55,590 After the newly christened Muhammad Ali won the match. He 2218 02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:59,070 was seen on television in front of all the news reporters, 2219 02:32:59,400 --> 02:33:08,100 bringing up Sam Cooke and we're paying his respects listen 2220 02:33:10,200 --> 02:33:11,670 very good friend a good vocalist 2221 02:33:17,160 --> 02:33:18,810 Adam Curry: I didn't know any of that. 2222 02:33:20,100 --> 02:33:26,760 Moe Factz: So you got Sam Cooke, Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali. The 2223 02:33:27,630 --> 02:33:31,110 Muhammad Ali calm the number one rock star in the world now you 2224 02:33:31,110 --> 02:33:35,100 got the heavyweight champion in the world. And Malcolm X being 2225 02:33:35,100 --> 02:33:38,940 the people's champ on the side of civil rights 2226 02:33:38,970 --> 02:33:43,350 Adam Curry: the trifecta right there. interest that 2227 02:33:43,350 --> 02:33:47,160 Moe Factz: will make a lot of people

nervous. Yeah. If you 2228 02:33:47,160 --> 02:33:51,780 have them and you have in the background lodger, Elijah 2229 02:33:51,780 --> 02:33:54,570 Muhammad the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, it Have you ever 2230 02:33:54,570 --> 02:33:58,950 wondered how you want to see it lurking in the background? And 2231 02:33:58,950 --> 02:34:02,070 possible big money out of Texas backing him up? But that's 2232 02:34:02,070 --> 02:34:05,940 another show for another day. Oh, was president at the time? 2233 02:34:07,080 --> 02:34:18,270 And six was his 60s Johnson. No, because that's the 60s 64 2234 02:34:19,500 --> 02:34:20,580 Adam Curry: Now was it Kennedy? 2235 02:34:21,060 --> 02:34:22,920 Moe Factz: Kennedy was lightning 60 Right. 2236 02:34:24,840 --> 02:34:28,140 Adam Curry: Yeah. 64. Now Kennedy was killed in 63. So it 2237 02:34:28,140 --> 02:34:31,170 must it must have been Johnson Yeah. Yeah. Henry Johnson. Yeah, 2238 02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:35,190 the racist. Okay. Makes sense. Well, 2239 02:34:35,220 --> 02:34:38,460 Moe Factz: like I say, it goes very deep and we'll get there 2240 02:34:38,460 --> 02:34:42,660 one day but this is the problem nothing it presented itself. As 2241 02:34:42,660 --> 02:34:46,830 you got somebody out and this is national television. Yeah. You 2242 02:34:46,830 --> 02:34:49,920 got Muhammad Ali changing his name. Well, that's a bigger 2243 02:34:49,920 --> 02:34:54,480 problem within itself. And you'd like to say you got the word 2244 02:34:54,480 --> 02:34:58,260 scared or more. It's not the militancy is to do for yourself 2245 02:34:58,260 --> 02:35:02,400 mentality. That's very disruptive to the economic 2246 02:35:02,400 --> 02:35:07,110 system. If you let this kind of thinking catch on, but let's go 2247 02:35:07,110 --> 02:35:08,010 and get into 36. 2248 02:35:08,190 --> 02:35:11,100 Unknown: Later that evening, Sam Cooke, Muhammad Ali and Malcolm 2249 02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:16,170 X are hanging out together. And this photograph appeared in FBI 2250 02:35:16,170 --> 02:35:20,220 reports targeting black activists considered dangerous. 2251 02:35:20,400 --> 02:35:26,670 Sam Cooke, with Muhammad I lead, and Malcolm X two of the most 2252 02:35:26,700 --> 02:35:31,110 controversial, at least to white America figures of the time. 2253 02:35:31,770 --> 02:35:35,400 This was not the crowd RCA wanted Sam Cooke to be a part of 2254 02:35:35,580 --> 02:35:38,490 if there was no Nick Cook was potentially working with people 2255 02:35:38,490 --> 02:35:42,720 that provoke change and potential uprising, RCA would 2256 02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:44,100 lose a lot of money. 2257 02:35:44,310 --> 02:35:47,760 Well, if you observe what's going on Han try to figure out 2258 02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:52,440 how to how people are thinking and determine the times of your 2259 02:35:52,440 --> 02:35:55,290 day, I think you can always write something with it that 2260 02:35:55,290 --> 02:35:56,370 people will understand. 2261 02:35:56,670 --> 02:36:01,110 Around the same time, Sam Cooke got the idea to get some of the 2262 02:36:01,110 --> 02:36:04,980 top African American singers to pull their money together and 2263 02:36:04,980 --> 02:36:08,700 form their own record label and booking company. Now at the 2264 02:36:08,700 --> 02:36:12,240 time, the Italian Mafia was at the height of its power, and was 2265 02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:16,470 truly a shadow second government in America that had nearly total 2266 02:36:16,470 --> 02:36:20,340 control of the music business. Sam Cooke would get phone calls 2267 02:36:20,340 --> 02:36:23,550 and visits from mafia figures telling him, You better leave 2268 02:36:23,550 --> 02:36:27,510 the music industry alone. mafia members would enter Sam's 2269 02:36:27,510 --> 02:36:31,170 dressing room, they would pose threats in front of sands, 2270 02:36:31,320 --> 02:36:34,290 friends and family. Cook wasn't having it. 2271 02:36:35,280 --> 02:36:40,800 Adam Curry: Okay, two things one. On no agenda, Dvorak 2272 02:36:41,160 --> 02:36:45,660 brought some new information a month or two ago as Bobby The K 2273 02:36:45,660 --> 02:36:48,600 is now in the picture. Right that and you know, of course, we 2274 02:36:48,600 --> 02:36:52,950 still don't have the full JFK files released even though that 2275 02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:57,090 legally should have happened by now. And the thinking is, that 2276 02:36:57,090 --> 02:37:05,190 it was the mafia who killed JFK. And the embarrassment that 2277 02:37:05,190 --> 02:37:09,180 neither CIA nor FBI could stop it from happening is the reason 2278 02:37:09,180 --> 02:37:12,870 why that information has not yet been given out now that kind of 2279 02:37:12,870 --> 02:37:17,940 works in this timeline. With those same agents with the with 2280 02:37:17,940 --> 02:37:21,240 the mafia, having all this power and threaten that mean, maybe 2281 02:37:21,240 --> 02:37:24,120 even power going directly to the government. 2282 02:37:25,860 --> 02:37:30,420 Moe Factz: You Yeah, and I alluded to some big money out of 2283 02:37:30,420 --> 02:37:38,070 Texas. Once again, you force my hand you have always do it. You 2284 02:37:38,070 --> 02:37:44,880 ally. I got it. I gotta go home. Yeah, yeah. HL hunt. Are you 2285 02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:50,820 familiar with him H L. big ol money out of Texas, huge or 2286 02:37:50,820 --> 02:37:56,100 money out of Texas? Very seldom talked about, but he was the 2287 02:37:56,100 --> 02:38:05,400 money. behind it. This goes I got to do this quickly. At the 2288 02:38:05,400 --> 02:38:12,900 wrap of my last show, I found out about this ongoing feud with 2289 02:38:13,140 --> 02:38:15,750 covers basically what about the orange people? Right, you have 2290 02:38:15,750 --> 02:38:24,000 the American kind of cowboy kind of mentality versus the north 2291 02:38:24,030 --> 02:38:28,890 eastern Wasp mentality. Sure. There's this war called the 2292 02:38:28,890 --> 02:38:33,960 Yankees versus the Cowboys.

were well aware of the Yankee side, 2293 02:38:33,960 --> 02:38:37,350 the Rockefellers, the Carnegie's whatever else, but there was a 2294 02:38:37,800 --> 02:38:41,250 nother force on the opposite side of that for the Cowboys. 2295 02:38:41,250 --> 02:38:46,680 One being HL hunt, which HL Hunt had Hoover in his back pocket, 2296 02:38:46,980 --> 02:38:49,710 and the mob in his back pocket. Oh, and 2297 02:38:49,710 --> 02:38:53,040 Adam Curry: so he he might have been the money behind the 2298 02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:56,880 Kennedy assassination to get a Texan boy Johnson in there. 2299 02:38:57,120 --> 02:39:01,500 Moe Factz: Exactly. Because he's understanding probably Ben 2300 02:39:01,500 --> 02:39:06,030 Johnson from the beginning, but the Wasp, and they were letting 2301 02:39:06,480 --> 02:39:09,480 the Kennedys into that group that you were saying, Master Joe 2302 02:39:09,480 --> 02:39:15,090 fortune, right that once he got to the got to the convention, he 2303 02:39:15,090 --> 02:39:19,260 realized that his candidate was not going to be selected. And 2304 02:39:19,260 --> 02:39:23,730 that's why he had to take Johnson. Now, there's paper 2305 02:39:23,730 --> 02:39:27,180 trails that say he might have been involved in the execution 2306 02:39:27,180 --> 02:39:31,620 of Malcolm X. Martin Luther King and becaming the brothers. 2307 02:39:33,990 --> 02:39:37,230 Adam Curry: There's one other name in this trifecta. That's 2308 02:39:37,230 --> 02:39:44,550 actually a fourth name. Jim Brown. Yes, Jim Brown was in 2309 02:39:44,550 --> 02:39:48,540 that mix as well with Malcolm and with Muhammad Ali and with 2310 02:39:49,200 --> 02:39:49,950 Sam Cooke. 2311 02:39:50,880 --> 02:39:54,750 Moe Factz: And this is why you see this divide between you 2312 02:39:54,750 --> 02:40:01,710 know, the courtroom SAF Boulais here yet her she Boulais is not 2313 02:40:02,850 --> 02:40:09,240 unanimous or a one force. You have the Jim Browns you have 2314 02:40:09,240 --> 02:40:13,050 those people on one side of it. And then you have the you know 2315 02:40:13,050 --> 02:40:15,210 the people with the intellectuals on the other side 2316 02:40:15,210 --> 02:40:15,390 of 2317 02:40:18,539 --> 02:40:20,969 Adam Curry: stop saying quote unquote mo Boulais 2318 02:40:24,720 --> 02:40:26,700 Moe Factz: well that the quote unquote Boulay phone ringing. 2319 02:40:27,450 --> 02:40:30,270 Adam Curry: That's what it was. Now, 2320 02:40:30,300 --> 02:40:33,060 Moe Factz: what is the bad habit? Alberich? That's okay. 2321 02:40:33,060 --> 02:40:37,350 Don't worry about it. No, it's a faux pas in my mind. It's just 2322 02:40:37,350 --> 02:40:44,910 something I have to work on doing. But you bet on home that 2323 02:40:44,910 --> 02:40:48,300 Kennedy thing once you start looking into it, yeah, there's 2324 02:40:48,300 --> 02:40:53,730 so many strings and so much power. But it all draws goes 2325 02:40:53,730 --> 02:40:57,570 back to the same point are far few points.

Interesting. Yeah. 2326 02:40:58,950 --> 02:41:05,280 But going back to the Sam Cooke murder, let's get into Part 37. 2327 02:41:05,669 --> 02:41:08,609 Unknown: A cook wasn't having it. It said that he rejected 2328 02:41:08,609 --> 02:41:10,709 everything thrown at him and said he was going to do it 2329 02:41:10,709 --> 02:41:15,119 anyway. And it got to the point that Sammy Davis Jr. was tapped 2330 02:41:15,149 --> 02:41:18,869 by the shadowy figures of organized crime to reach out to 2331 02:41:18,869 --> 02:41:22,739 cook and tell him he better listen to the Italian. So during 2332 02:41:22,739 --> 02:41:28,349 1964 cooks, RCA contract was up for renegotiation. And Sam had 2333 02:41:28,349 --> 02:41:32,009 his manager Alan Clang, renegotiate the contract, to 2334 02:41:32,009 --> 02:41:34,019 include Sam's own record label. 2335 02:41:34,740 --> 02:41:36,540 What do you hope to do in the future? You're doing different 2336 02:41:36,540 --> 02:41:39,300 things now? Well, now, I'm working mostly with other young 2337 02:41:39,300 --> 02:41:40,080 singers. You know, 2338 02:41:40,260 --> 02:41:44,460 it was supposed to be a new one called Tracy unlimited. With Sam 2339 02:41:44,460 --> 02:41:47,820 as the president and Alan Klein as the secretary, they would 2340 02:41:47,820 --> 02:41:52,050 find in own all the new music. After poring through the 2341 02:41:52,050 --> 02:41:56,010 contracts and papers personally, cook realized that his manager 2342 02:41:56,010 --> 02:42:00,030 had sold them out. In actuality, Sam Cooke would be an employee 2343 02:42:00,150 --> 02:42:04,170 of Tracy Unlimited, which would be owned by Alan Klein. On a 2344 02:42:04,170 --> 02:42:06,780 Thursday, he was going to flat in New York and make a lot of 2345 02:42:06,780 --> 02:42:11,520 changes, including firing Alan Klein, but he never made it 2346 02:42:11,520 --> 02:42:12,540 through that weekend. 2347 02:42:13,440 --> 02:42:15,930 Adam Curry: Yeah, sounds familiar. The here's your own, 2348 02:42:15,930 --> 02:42:17,760 like record labels scam. 2349 02:42:18,599 --> 02:42:23,459 Moe Factz: This the shingles is basically yeah, you're still 2350 02:42:23,459 --> 02:42:28,079 under universal or CBS. So fill in the blank at this big record 2351 02:42:28,079 --> 02:42:33,959 label. But we create you a shingle that you can use on us, 2352 02:42:33,959 --> 02:42:37,709 but you could sign other artists to yourself, which we still get 2353 02:42:37,709 --> 02:42:42,029 a piece off of. Yeah, I went through this with the music that 2354 02:42:42,059 --> 02:42:45,239 I was like, I'm not signing nothing. The best way not to get 2355 02:42:45,239 --> 02:42:49,529 screwed is no sign anything. That's right. And I've always 2356 02:42:49,529 --> 02:42:54,749 had this mentality and No, just the highlight the point that 2357 02:42:54,929 --> 02:42:58,079 this show was hip hop. Yeah. And it's 2358 02:42:59,700 --> 02:43:00,960 Adam Curry: Mommy, look at me now. 2359 02:43:02,850

--> 02:43:07,080 Moe Factz: series, is it it is Rap Albums don't drop them when 2360 02:43:07,080 --> 02:43:13,410 they supposed to, you know, is do you stay true to your fans? 2361 02:43:13,440 --> 02:43:16,920 Or do you go for a bigger audience? All this is way 2362 02:43:16,980 --> 02:43:21,690 independence that we have. That we can say whatever we want to 2363 02:43:21,690 --> 02:43:25,410 say? Yeah, we don't have a blue light phone like Sam Cooke had, 2364 02:43:25,740 --> 02:43:28,980 where Sammy Davis Jr. is call a talk to you boy. 2365 02:43:29,009 --> 02:43:31,079 Adam Curry: Yeah, did the Italians tell you to talk to 2366 02:43:31,079 --> 02:43:31,619 your boy? 2367 02:43:32,339 --> 02:43:35,489 Moe Factz: That's that's the that's the mint. That's the 2368 02:43:35,489 --> 02:43:39,569 blue. That's how to Boulais foreign work is, uh, you know, 2369 02:43:39,569 --> 02:43:42,689 somebody I know. Can you get them on the phone? Or can you 2370 02:43:42,689 --> 02:43:45,869 send them a message, hey, he needs to cut it out. And if you 2371 02:43:45,869 --> 02:43:49,559 don't hear that you don't make it wherever you're trying to go. 2372 02:43:50,130 --> 02:43:52,620 Adam Curry: And literally, and this is why podcasting is a 2373 02:43:52,620 --> 02:43:58,530 problem. And you know, I've been following. We've got university 2374 02:43:58,530 --> 02:44:02,280 people studying podcasting. We've got to Southern Poverty 2375 02:44:02,280 --> 02:44:06,120 Law Center studying podcast is a real problem. This podcasting. 2376 02:44:06,960 --> 02:44:09,870 Podcasting is a problem. It's like we can't we can't see the D 2377 02:44:09,870 --> 02:44:11,520 platform people everywhere. 2378 02:44:12,210 --> 02:44:17,400 Moe Factz: Freshly fit took a hit. I don't know what they 2379 02:44:17,400 --> 02:44:19,890 thought it was gonna do. They will stay on YouTube's platform 2380 02:44:19,890 --> 02:44:23,130 and doing what they were doing. But that was just another hit. 2381 02:44:23,250 --> 02:44:28,170 Yeah, and a novel upset some people by this but you know, it 2382 02:44:28,170 --> 02:44:37,770 is what it is. What's the dude's name? Andrew Tate. Yeah. To me 2383 02:44:37,770 --> 02:44:39,240 screens industry plant. 2384 02:44:40,169 --> 02:44:43,919 Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. I mean, I I have not had no 2385 02:44:43,919 --> 02:44:46,529 interest in looking at him. I just hasn't it's never 2386 02:44:46,529 --> 02:44:48,779 interested me. So I've never really taken a look at it. 2387 02:44:49,470 --> 02:44:51,960 Moe Factz: This is what I'm talking about when they push the 2388 02:44:51,960 --> 02:44:57,120 real people to the side. Mr. Kevin Samuels, who has the 2389 02:44:57,120 --> 02:44:59,970 weirdest death I've ever heard of. I've never heard anybody 2390 02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,020 Dying of hypertension I've never heard I've talked to multiple 2391 02:45:04,140 --> 02:45:07,800 now it can be the root cause or the comorbidity but they're the 2392 02:45:07,800 --> 02:45:10,710 cause of death hypertension usually it's a stroke or 2393 02:45:10,710 --> 02:45:17,190 whatever else but I digress. Exit Kevin Samuels and to Andrew 2394 02:45:17,190 --> 02:45:23,430 take care he has industry plant written all over him. A lot of 2395 02:45:23,430 --> 02:45:26,820 SIP is upsets a lot of people who will not say this, he's 2396 02:45:26,820 --> 02:45:32,640 divided the big con Inc. If you notice, people are taking sides 2397 02:45:32,640 --> 02:45:36,510 for and against him. Yeah, I understand it if you got a 2398 02:45:36,510 --> 02:45:41,370 smaller platform you got to outflank the competition. So you 2399 02:45:41,370 --> 02:45:45,810 take that risk, no to be on his side. But then you have the more 2400 02:45:45,810 --> 02:45:50,730 established bid con inked by I don't want to touch him and our 2401 02:45:50,730 --> 02:45:57,960 girl can be Candace Owens Yeah. Si Si Si Si willful outperform 2402 02:45:59,910 --> 02:46:00,870 Adam Curry: i Yeah. 2403 02:46:02,040 --> 02:46:04,560 Moe Factz: Call her to conservative Oprah which is 2404 02:46:05,160 --> 02:46:06,600 which is it's been a while so we 2405 02:46:06,600 --> 02:46:08,790 Adam Curry: got a lot of talk about what I got it that's 2406 02:46:08,790 --> 02:46:13,500 interesting in in this case because she's part of daily wire 2407 02:46:14,130 --> 02:46:18,480 and daily wire in turn has some pretty interesting Texans 2408 02:46:20,940 --> 02:46:26,070 footing the bill there Yes. What is it with Texas? 2409 02:46:26,820 --> 02:46:30,150 Moe Factz: We've been doing this forever HL Hunt had one of the 2410 02:46:30,150 --> 02:46:33,840 biggest radio show that he has Yeah, he was the he was the 2411 02:46:33,840 --> 02:46:39,120 precursor to Infowars that kind of thing of of making you know 2412 02:46:39,120 --> 02:46:41,700 strict conservative content 2413 02:46:41,730 --> 02:46:47,220 Adam Curry: Yeah. And honestly that like the minute when Jordan 2414 02:46:47,220 --> 02:46:50,070 Peterson joined the wire that's when he started to get really 2415 02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:51,150 weirdly political 2416 02:46:52,830 --> 02:46:54,900 Moe Factz: now your talking points 2417 02:46:54,930 --> 02:46:57,870 Adam Curry: me exactly something changed there with him that just 2418 02:46:57,900 --> 02:47:02,700 is off putting to me it's like I like his message I'd like you 2419 02:47:02,700 --> 02:47:05,760 know all the stuff he says about masculinity and men and young 2420 02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:09,330 men and all this and then and then all sudden he's dropping in 2421 02:47:09,330 --> 02:47:13,260 politics like feels weird. 2422 02:47:14,550 --> 02:47:17,340 Moe Factz: When you work for the company, you gotta take the 2423 02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:22,800 company talking point. Yeah. And with that comes comfort. Lows, I 2424 02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:26,610 hit my marks, you know, I'm gonna be employed. And this is 2425 02:47:26,610 --> 02:47:29,430 why Steven

Crowder thing was such a while I brought it up. 2426 02:47:29,940 --> 02:47:30,510 Because 2427 02:47:32,130 --> 02:47:33,990 Adam Curry: everyone's got their own version of it. 2428 02:47:35,100 --> 02:47:40,140 Moe Factz: Yeah. And we see it play out every day since I 2429 02:47:40,140 --> 02:47:45,420 brought up the you know, the, no, the actual Boulay phone, we 2430 02:47:45,420 --> 02:47:48,780 see instantaneously. Somebody says something they gotta go 2431 02:47:48,780 --> 02:47:49,410 back on. 2432 02:47:49,470 --> 02:47:50,520 Adam Curry: Yep. You know, they 2433 02:47:50,520 --> 02:47:52,950 Moe Factz: got to change how they're looking. But just the 2434 02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:56,670 wrap up the Candace Owens thing. I think she's on shaky ground 2435 02:47:56,670 --> 02:48:00,240 because of what she did what yay. And she's looking for exit 2436 02:48:00,240 --> 02:48:04,860 strategy. That that is my analysis on that situation. 2437 02:48:04,860 --> 02:48:07,830 Because this gets goes to the bigger conversation and when you 2438 02:48:07,830 --> 02:48:13,560 go corporate. Yeah. Where do you go after corporates dealing with 2439 02:48:13,560 --> 02:48:17,430 you? Like seriously? Yeah, it's 2440 02:48:17,460 --> 02:48:23,040 Adam Curry: it's, it's very difficult. If there's only one 2441 02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:26,550 way and that's poverty, podcasting, that's the only 2442 02:48:26,550 --> 02:48:30,930 place you can still go to, but yeah, but it takes a lot of a 2443 02:48:30,930 --> 02:48:34,590 lot of stamina, a lot of work and a lot of honesty to do it. 2444 02:48:34,980 --> 02:48:38,370 Otherwise. And well, yes, yes. Have been outstanding products, 2445 02:48:38,370 --> 02:48:39,000 always 2446 02:48:39,690 --> 02:48:42,300 Moe Factz: tablet sales, if nothing else, you made a stellar 2447 02:48:42,300 --> 02:48:46,020 product, they're gonna find you. Yeah, you know, it is what it 2448 02:48:46,020 --> 02:48:49,020 is. But going back to Sam Cooke, who also made a stellar product 2449 02:48:51,780 --> 02:48:58,050 this is my conspiracy theory. It's been a while since we've, 2450 02:48:58,440 --> 02:49:02,220 we have some theory. I'm not caught you flat footed. But this 2451 02:49:02,220 --> 02:49:04,200 is gonna take this is gonna crank it up 2452 02:49:04,200 --> 02:49:09,240 Adam Curry: for you. Oh, Mo's going off the reservation. 2453 02:49:09,240 --> 02:49:12,600 Everybody put on your tinfoil hat. Here we go ism conspiracy 2454 02:49:12,600 --> 02:49:16,740 theories we love. This is where this is where we've always we've 2455 02:49:16,740 --> 02:49:18,570 always connected on conspiracies. 2456 02:49:18,660 --> 02:49:23,370 Moe Factz: Yes. And this isn't this is one for you. I believe. 2457 02:49:23,700 --> 02:49:33,150 Sam Koch was dosed with LSD went batshit crazy. And that's why he 2458 02:49:33,150 --> 02:49:39,270 ended up being shot. Who shot him? I don't know. But at this 2459 02:49:39,270 --> 02:49:45,600 time period, and in this area, CIA agents and people affiliated 2460 02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:51,540 with the agency were known to dose John's unbeknownst to them. 2461 02:49:51,570 --> 02:49:57,540 Yes. To watch the effects. Yeah. Yeah. Are you on board and 2462 02:49:57,540 --> 02:49:57,870 you're saying 2463 02:49:59,370 --> 02:50:02,790 Adam Curry: yes, no, I I'm definitely I'm, there's what is 2464 02:50:02,790 --> 02:50:05,580 the guy's name who jumped out of his hotel room. That was the 2465 02:50:05,580 --> 02:50:07,230 whole story was exactly that out. 2466 02:50:07,620 --> 02:50:11,730 Moe Factz: I forget his name. I don't know why I knew it. And I 2467 02:50:11,730 --> 02:50:13,860 saw it when I was doing this research, but I didn't get his 2468 02:50:13,860 --> 02:50:18,300 name in the clip. But it's mentioned in America's war on 2469 02:50:18,300 --> 02:50:19,530 drove the car a 2470 02:50:19,560 --> 02:50:23,490 Adam Curry: Frank Frank Olson. That's it. Frank Olson Yep. 2471 02:50:25,560 --> 02:50:31,320 Moe Factz: Let's listen to how History Channel captures how 2472 02:50:31,320 --> 02:50:34,860 this whole setup will work. And let's see if it works with the 2473 02:50:34,860 --> 02:50:35,940 Sam Cooke theory. 2474 02:50:38,550 --> 02:50:41,370 Unknown: Two American spies have just arrived at Sandoz 2475 02:50:41,370 --> 02:50:44,760 laboratories, one of the world's leading pharmaceutical 2476 02:50:44,760 --> 02:50:49,470 factories. The mission cornered the market on the world's supply 2477 02:50:49,500 --> 02:50:51,660 of a powerful new psychoactive drug. 2478 02:50:52,080 --> 02:50:56,100 The CIA was scared stiff, the KGB was going to get all this 2479 02:50:56,100 --> 02:50:59,250 LSD and come over and start dosing people. So we bought 2480 02:50:59,280 --> 02:51:02,880 every drop of LSD in existence. At that point, 2481 02:51:02,940 --> 02:51:07,050 the CIA has just authorized the purchase of 10 kilograms of pure 2482 02:51:07,050 --> 02:51:11,100 LSD 25 enough to dose more than half the population of the 2483 02:51:11,100 --> 02:51:12,120 United States. 2484 02:51:12,660 --> 02:51:16,110 They gave it to George White and let George start dosing people. 2485 02:51:16,680 --> 02:51:17,640 George Hunter 2486 02:51:17,640 --> 02:51:21,090 White, a larger than life undercover federal narcotics 2487 02:51:21,090 --> 02:51:24,540 agent, unbeknownst to his supervisors, white also works 2488 02:51:24,540 --> 02:51:29,250 for the CIA. His job to conduct experiments for an operation 2489 02:51:29,880 --> 02:51:31,410 called Midnight Climax. 2490 02:51:32,610 --> 02:51:35,580 Adam Curry: Who didn't know about this one. 2491 02:51:37,140 --> 02:51:39,510 Moe Factz: Yeah, Midnight comics. Ah, 2492 02:51:39,630 --> 02:51:47,040 Adam Curry: okay. Oh. Hmm. Entry. Of course. 2493 02:51:48,090 --> 02:51:51,120 Moe Factz: You can say something he wrote a dice. Roll and let's 2494 02:51:51,120 --> 02:51:52,020 go to 39 2495 02:51:52,050 --> 02:51:57,270 Unknown: George

had a CIA safe house stocked with booze, George 2496 02:51:57,270 --> 02:52:00,570 would sit behind his one way mirror drinking martinis, 2497 02:52:00,930 --> 02:52:04,320 sitting on a portable toilet. He had to take a leak he didn't 2498 02:52:04,320 --> 02:52:05,340 want to get up and leave 2499 02:52:05,370 --> 02:52:09,210 white pays prostitutes to lower their clients to the agency safe 2500 02:52:09,210 --> 02:52:09,660 house. 2501 02:52:10,830 --> 02:52:13,680 cookers who would bring these suckers back to the apartment, 2502 02:52:13,950 --> 02:52:18,690 and dosing with pure LSD 25 is where I have my effect 2503 02:52:19,650 --> 02:52:25,140 in the mind. This is lysergic acid diethylamide. Better known 2504 02:52:25,140 --> 02:52:29,310 as acid, the powerful drug was first synthesized in 1938. In 2505 02:52:29,310 --> 02:52:33,810 Switzerland, with a dose of mere micrograms, the mind becomes 2506 02:52:33,810 --> 02:52:37,680 confused. Perception is distorted personal identity is 2507 02:52:37,680 --> 02:52:41,790 called into question. The results can be euphoric bliss or 2508 02:52:41,790 --> 02:52:47,760 deadly panic. White takes meticulous notes and files his 2509 02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:49,770 reports to a CIA handlers. 2510 02:52:50,489 --> 02:52:53,639 So that was how LSD was introduced to this country. 2511 02:52:54,210 --> 02:52:58,110 Operation Midnight Climax as part of a larger top secret CIA 2512 02:52:58,110 --> 02:53:02,760 program called MK Ultra. The goal, learn how to control and 2513 02:53:02,760 --> 02:53:04,860 even reprogram people's minds. 2514 02:53:05,790 --> 02:53:09,330 Adam Curry: But I mean it's the timing is right is obviously not 2515 02:53:09,330 --> 02:53:12,750 a stretch who got the prostitute there. I mean, we've got all the 2516 02:53:12,750 --> 02:53:15,330 elements that are totally could have been a part of what 2517 02:53:15,330 --> 02:53:20,070 happened with with Sam Cooke, but then did he go so he went so 2518 02:53:20,070 --> 02:53:21,360 crazy, they had to kill her? 2519 02:53:22,440 --> 02:53:28,650 Moe Factz: I think they I think he was dos unintentionally, not 2520 02:53:28,650 --> 02:53:31,770 that they were gonna do Sam Cooke is that you meet 2521 02:53:31,770 --> 02:53:36,030 prostitutes, which this woman later was identified as a 2522 02:53:36,030 --> 02:53:39,360 prostitute and a woman that shot him was later didn't identify as 2523 02:53:39,360 --> 02:53:44,400 a madam. And that hotel was down on near or on Figaro which is 2524 02:53:44,400 --> 02:53:51,600 known as a stroll for prostitution. I think he just 2525 02:53:52,050 --> 02:54:01,410 caught a bad when got cardi bead oops. This is this this tail is 2526 02:54:01,410 --> 02:54:05,640 old as you know and and for because it doesn't make sense to 2527 02:54:05,640 --> 02:54:10,740 me. You get beat for money. Yeah, you run out negative 2528 02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:13,950 chasing people with one shoe and then you turn it up to that 2529 02:54:13,950 --> 02:54:16,650 level where somebody has to shoot you and then you're 2530 02:54:16,680 --> 02:54:23,520 beating to almost being decapitated. Yeah, yeah. over 2531 02:54:23,520 --> 02:54:26,340 money. I mean, we're talking about Sam Cooke here. I mean, 2532 02:54:26,370 --> 02:54:32,160 I'm sure he's been beat before. But to take it to that level and 2533 02:54:32,160 --> 02:54:35,040 to be disrobed in that manner and running around the streets 2534 02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:39,240 negative half negative once you will that just, that's a hard 2535 02:54:39,270 --> 02:54:41,460 that's a hard one for me to swallow for Sam. 2536 02:54:42,660 --> 02:54:46,590 Adam Curry: Yeah. The only other guy I know did that was Richard 2537 02:54:46,590 --> 02:54:49,170 Pryor. And he was on fire. 2538 02:54:50,130 --> 02:54:53,280 Moe Factz: And and Martin Lawrence, remember? 2539 02:54:54,900 --> 02:54:57,870 Adam Curry: You right? He went crazy to Yeah. And then there 2540 02:54:57,870 --> 02:55:00,240 was Lionel Richie, but that's because his wife was beating Am 2541 02:55:00,960 --> 02:55:03,960 Moe Factz: I any funny that psychedelics now or just 2542 02:55:03,960 --> 02:55:05,610 bringing becoming back in vogue, 2543 02:55:05,940 --> 02:55:08,520 Adam Curry: but not not just in vogue? I mean, we've got 2544 02:55:08,580 --> 02:55:15,270 suburban white housewives microdosing it's a thing. Oh, 2545 02:55:15,270 --> 02:55:19,500 it's a thing Mall. It's a thing we got, we got, you know, luxury 2546 02:55:19,500 --> 02:55:24,330 trips where you go to some island or Mexico or maybe 2547 02:55:24,330 --> 02:55:29,580 Jamaica. And you know, it's like $10,000 for a couple of days, 2548 02:55:29,580 --> 02:55:33,420 and you have a professional who's going to take you through 2549 02:55:33,420 --> 02:55:36,210 psychedelics. Oh, yeah, this is a huge thing right now. 2550 02:55:36,810 --> 02:55:38,940 Moe Factz: That's what we talked about in the wheel Smith and 2551 02:55:38,940 --> 02:55:42,540 Chris Rock Show. The Ayahuasca Yes, 2552 02:55:42,540 --> 02:55:46,020 Adam Curry: yeah. And the funny part 2553 02:55:46,050 --> 02:55:50,880 Moe Factz: is that it starts with the intellectual crowd, if 2554 02:55:50,880 --> 02:55:57,870 we just lean on a TV show is a representation of history. In 2555 02:55:57,870 --> 02:56:03,570 Mad Men, yeah. Yeah. The intellectual rich crowd, it was 2556 02:56:03,570 --> 02:56:09,750 dropping that at first. So I mean, we're, we're right. We're 2557 02:56:09,750 --> 02:56:11,580 right back where we started. And that 2558 02:56:11,580 --> 02:56:13,710 Adam Curry: changes, nothing changes come up with a new 2559 02:56:13,710 --> 02:56:14,670 script, fellas. 2560 02:56:15,990 --> 02:56:19,350 Moe Factz: I just think that this is more plausible to me. 2561 02:56:20,100 --> 02:56:25,680 The what was in the self. I mean, well, everybody identifies 2562 02:56:25,680 --> 02:56:30,960 him as a ladies man, a smooth guy to go raging like

that to 2563 02:56:30,960 --> 02:56:33,120 the point where he has to be shot and beaten. 2564 02:56:33,480 --> 02:56:37,920 Adam Curry: So but that does negate the whole theory of well, 2565 02:56:37,950 --> 02:56:41,310 he was too influential, you know, this was a problem. 2566 02:56:43,440 --> 02:56:45,900 Moe Factz: It is controlled. 2567 02:56:46,259 --> 02:56:48,269 Adam Curry: I was gonna say he seems like he was complying. 2568 02:56:48,269 --> 02:56:50,459 Okay, I'll take those lines out. No problem. I'll just keep 2569 02:56:50,459 --> 02:56:50,879 going. 2570 02:56:52,200 --> 02:56:54,600 Moe Factz: That's why I don't think it was the record label. 2571 02:56:55,350 --> 02:56:58,830 It doesn't make any sense for them to do it. No. And I don't 2572 02:56:58,830 --> 02:57:02,250 think that oh, we got to take we got to, I don't think the agency 2573 02:57:02,250 --> 02:57:05,040 was like, Oh, we got to take Sam Cooke out, either, you know, 2574 02:57:05,070 --> 02:57:08,070 because they had a control room contractually, right? I didn't 2575 02:57:08,070 --> 02:57:14,490 think he just ran across a government ah, and it went 2576 02:57:14,490 --> 02:57:15,030 wrong. 2577 02:57:16,170 --> 02:57:17,520 Adam Curry: Very possible Mo. 2578 02:57:19,290 --> 02:57:23,850 Moe Factz: So, this, this is from a legit CIA, former CIA 2579 02:57:23,850 --> 02:57:28,830 agent, if there's no such thing. I'm speaking to Joe Rogan. And 2580 02:57:28,830 --> 02:57:32,520 he gives more insight to the midnight comics, 2581 02:57:32,700 --> 02:57:37,020 Unknown: a lot of these things were funded through cutouts. So 2582 02:57:37,020 --> 02:57:41,190 he had set up again, this is you know, early 50s, mid 50s, early 2583 02:57:41,190 --> 02:57:48,090 60s, set up financing vehicles, you know, through say, you know, 2584 02:57:48,090 --> 02:57:53,850 what appear to be non threatening grant programs, you 2585 02:57:53,850 --> 02:57:57,000 know, from Research Institute. So you're you you loop in 2586 02:57:57,240 --> 02:58:01,740 academic institutions, or researchers and MK Ultra had at 2587 02:58:01,740 --> 02:58:06,510 least acknowledged anyway over 80 academic institutions and 2588 02:58:06,510 --> 02:58:10,860 others that were either wittingly or unwittingly working 2589 02:58:10,860 --> 02:58:16,290 on their behalf in various research programs. So yeah, this 2590 02:58:16,290 --> 02:58:20,370 this Midnight Climax program, basically, they'd they'd kick 2591 02:58:20,370 --> 02:58:26,490 out a safe house as a brothel. And they would have the hookers 2592 02:58:27,180 --> 02:58:32,130 slip LSD or whatever substance to the, to the John's. And then 2593 02:58:32,610 --> 02:58:36,750 behind a mirror, you'd have a supposedly like a researcher, 2594 02:58:36,780 --> 02:58:39,660 right? I mean, this workout were sitting there, you know, having 2595 02:58:39,660 --> 02:58:42,570 a drink and watching these, you know, the the Hooker and the 2596 02:58:42,570 --> 02:58:45,810 John have sex, and then they'd be analyzing the impact of the 2597 02:58:45,810 --> 02:58:49,200 LSD on them in terms of their ability to talk and, and would 2598 02:58:49,200 --> 02:58:52,380 they hook her in on it? Yeah, the hooker was in on it and see 2599 02:58:52,380 --> 02:58:56,520 an employee of the CIA. Do you don't and it was, it wasn't just 2600 02:58:56,520 --> 02:58:58,500 the agency, you know, like the army was involved in these 2601 02:58:58,500 --> 02:58:58,740 things. 2602 02:59:01,110 --> 02:59:02,820 Adam Curry: For for Dietrich, 2603 02:59:02,849 --> 02:59:06,779 Moe Factz: did you? Did you see him avoid that question? Yeah, 2604 02:59:06,780 --> 02:59:07,710 Adam Curry: it was the hooker in on it. 2605 02:59:10,080 --> 02:59:12,270 Moe Factz: And then he goes on to answer another question that 2606 02:59:12,270 --> 02:59:14,550 was very smooth with the agency, man. 2607 02:59:14,580 --> 02:59:16,410 Adam Curry: Well, because there's no such thing as a 2608 02:59:16,410 --> 02:59:17,970 former CIA agent. 2609 02:59:19,650 --> 02:59:21,480 Moe Factz: Let's hear that. When was this that little piece 2610 02:59:21,480 --> 02:59:23,040 again, we're going to pick it up from there. 2611 02:59:23,130 --> 02:59:26,130 Unknown: And then they'd be analyzing the impact of the LSD 2612 02:59:26,130 --> 02:59:28,770 on them in terms of their ability to talk and, and would 2613 02:59:28,770 --> 02:59:31,590 they we'll hook her in on it. Yeah, the hookah was in on it 2614 02:59:31,590 --> 02:59:36,360 and seen employee of the CIA. Do you know and it was just the 2615 02:59:36,360 --> 02:59:40,080 Epstein Epstein CEO like the army was involved in these 2616 02:59:40,080 --> 02:59:45,480 things as well. But they would get you know, cash payments, and 2617 02:59:46,020 --> 02:59:50,940 oftentimes the Get Out of Jail live Get Out of Jail Free card. 2618 02:59:53,340 --> 02:59:55,380 Pack. You know what, ladies, if you're out yeah, if you're out 2619 02:59:55,380 --> 03:00:02,370 there, listen to me go. Forward. I'm here for Yeah. What was that 2620 03:00:02,370 --> 03:00:02,820 from? 2621 03:00:03,899 --> 03:00:04,769 Moe Factz: That was Joe Rogan. 2622 03:00:05,129 --> 03:00:08,009 Adam Curry: Was that Joe? Yeah. Interesting. 2623 03:00:09,269 --> 03:00:14,999 Moe Factz: Joe said, Is he still alive? Yeah, we need to talk to 2624 03:00:14,999 --> 03:00:16,229 him. We need to bring him up here. 2625 03:00:16,259 --> 03:00:18,149 Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, no, no, none of that. 2626 03:00:19,199 --> 03:00:25,139 Moe Factz: No. But but that's how it roll. Wow. That's 2627 03:00:25,139 --> 03:00:29,069 straight from the horse's mouth and what caught me. My attention 2628 03:00:29,069 --> 03:00:35,099 was these university cutouts. Yeah. I've pointed to the 2629 03:00:35,099 --> 03:00:39,209 universities from day one where you look at all the sexual 2630 03:00:39,209 --> 03:00:43,199 studies, race studies. What's the other one? 2631 03:00:43,620 -->

03:00:46,830 Adam Curry: Right up to Professor Ted, Stanford 2632 03:00:46,830 --> 03:00:47,610 University. 2633 03:00:48,720 --> 03:00:54,630 Moe Factz: Right? And even the critical theory on Marxism, 2634 03:00:54,930 --> 03:00:56,580 every Frankfurt School 2635 03:00:56,610 --> 03:00:59,280 Adam Curry: all comes through the universities, all of it and 2636 03:00:59,280 --> 03:01:02,190 then of course, the universities create teachers and they go in 2637 03:01:02,190 --> 03:01:04,290 and they start corrupting the middle schools. 2638 03:01:05,100 --> 03:01:07,920 Moe Factz: And you know what else came out of university? The 2639 03:01:07,920 --> 03:01:12,420 Harvard report this is Logan Westbrook, a mover and shaker. I 2640 03:01:12,420 --> 03:01:14,100 don't know if you know him or not, you can still keep 2641 03:01:14,850 --> 03:01:19,380 everybody in the base. But this is louder, Westbrook, and he 2642 03:01:19,500 --> 03:01:23,730 this is an older clip. And he's going to describe the horror 2643 03:01:23,730 --> 03:01:27,690 report which is CBS. Would you like to tell people what you 2644 03:01:27,690 --> 03:01:28,770 call CBS? 2645 03:01:28,860 --> 03:01:31,770 Adam Curry: Oh, the Central Intelligence broadcasting 2646 03:01:31,770 --> 03:01:32,430 systems. 2647 03:01:32,880 --> 03:01:38,310 Moe Factz: Okay, CBS Commission's Harvard to do a 2648 03:01:38,310 --> 03:01:44,100 study 50 years ago. Are you seeing the timeline here? We're 2649 03:01:44,100 --> 03:01:49,320 hip hop, I'm with you're celebrating 50 years CBS 2650 03:01:49,530 --> 03:01:53,820 Commission's Harvard to do this report. This is Westbrook's 2651 03:01:54,030 --> 03:01:55,320 early take on it. 2652 03:01:56,340 --> 03:02:00,450 Unknown: Most of my exposure has been on the business side, the 2653 03:02:00,450 --> 03:02:05,190 marketing handed dictionary books, I put out a copy of the 2654 03:02:05,190 --> 03:02:09,660 Harmon report, which has never been released. And I put it out 2655 03:02:09,690 --> 03:02:13,680 in its raw form, just as it was presented to me from the 2656 03:02:13,680 --> 03:02:19,800 students at heart. So it can be very controversial. Some say 2657 03:02:20,160 --> 03:02:25,470 that the carbon report was the beginning of the demise of black 2658 03:02:25,470 --> 03:02:29,640 record companies. What I have released this book, just as it 2659 03:02:29,640 --> 03:02:34,650 was presented to me, like you form. Why do people think that? 2660 03:02:35,880 --> 03:02:42,090 Well, again, it's so easy for one to follow the bliss. The 2661 03:02:42,090 --> 03:02:48,360 really saying is that Clive Davis and and his big mining 2662 03:02:48,360 --> 03:02:53,220 company decided to hire these students to do this record. And 2663 03:02:53,220 --> 03:02:56,700 when they did this report, the union says and blueprint to 2664 03:02:56,700 --> 03:03:00,720 follow this report to swallow up the track record companies and 2665 03:03:00,720 --> 03:03:04,800 put them out of business. That's what they say. That's not true. 2666 03:03:04,890 --> 03:03:08,730 That's what they're saying. And even when Apple bagel, who was 2667 03:03:08,730 --> 03:03:13,650 the owner of Stax Records, he sued CBS Records, and he used 2668 03:03:13,650 --> 03:03:14,580 that report. 2669 03:03:16,800 --> 03:03:21,330 Adam Curry: Man, I have not met him. But if you go to his 2670 03:03:21,330 --> 03:03:27,810 website, Logan westbrooks.com. Right. There's a big picture of 2671 03:03:27,810 --> 03:03:34,590 him and Obama. Right, right. Another CIA cutout. Oh, man, 2672 03:03:34,620 --> 03:03:37,440 this is great. Interesting, 2673 03:03:37,620 --> 03:03:41,310 Moe Factz: very protective of Clive Davis. Bob Davis has had 2674 03:03:41,310 --> 03:03:49,260 his fist on black music. And he's clutch I would say, oh, 2675 03:03:49,260 --> 03:03:51,720 yeah, for a very long time. 2676 03:03:52,110 --> 03:03:57,000 Adam Curry: And Clive Davis, very black mailable has an I 2677 03:03:57,000 --> 03:03:59,730 think they got him for a moment there that was wasn't even that 2678 03:03:59,730 --> 03:04:03,240 long ago that you know, there was some payola scandal and even 2679 03:04:03,240 --> 03:04:05,880 though it turned out that it wasn't really anything to do 2680 03:04:05,880 --> 03:04:08,820 with him, he got implicated in it. He got fired from his own 2681 03:04:08,820 --> 03:04:13,140 company. He was Mr. Whitney Houston, he created Whitney 2682 03:04:13,140 --> 03:04:13,590 Houston. 2683 03:04:14,430 --> 03:04:19,410 Moe Factz: And then the way the story goes, he was very callous 2684 03:04:19,440 --> 03:04:23,670 around her death. The show must go home kind of thing which kind 2685 03:04:23,670 --> 03:04:28,110 of made him lose favor. Yeah, he's very tied in with Diddy. 2686 03:04:28,860 --> 03:04:30,210 Take a Puff Daddy. 2687 03:04:30,540 --> 03:04:33,150 Adam Curry: Yeah, and there's a lot of rumors about them being 2688 03:04:33,150 --> 03:04:35,400 romantically involved. Yes. 2689 03:04:36,600 --> 03:04:39,630 Moe Factz: But we know the CIA gets down they used sexual 2690 03:04:39,630 --> 03:04:46,230 blackmail to control yes exactly control all but it's funny that 2691 03:04:46,230 --> 03:04:51,990 Mr. Logan Westbrook uses words like myth and you know, this 2692 03:04:52,020 --> 03:04:56,430 basically, you know, this is a story concocted to make Clive 2693 03:04:56,430 --> 03:04:59,610 Davis look bad, right. That was the that's what we take away for 2694 03:04:59,610 --> 03:05:04,350 49 All right, yeah. Well as these men get on these Boulay, 2695 03:05:04,350 --> 03:05:08,520 men get older, and the door started shut shut on them. I 2696 03:05:08,520 --> 03:05:12,570 think this is maybe the 14 hours, maybe 10, maybe 15 years 2697 03:05:12,570 --> 03:05:17,160 ago, just looking at the camera quality, and the dress. This is 2698 03:05:17,160 --> 03:05:20,610 more recent, this is on the anniversary of the 50 year 2699 03:05:21,720 --> 03:05:26,160

release of the Harvard report, where the Commission have it not 2700 03:05:26,160 --> 03:05:29,850 the release of the book. He's changed his tune a little bit. 2701 03:05:30,810 --> 03:05:33,180 Unknown: So tell us what the Harvard report is and how it 2702 03:05:33,180 --> 03:05:33,690 started. 2703 03:05:35,040 --> 03:05:40,380 The Hodel report was a study that was conducted in 19 172. 2704 03:05:41,190 --> 03:05:46,740 And it was permission by CBS under the auspices of client, 2705 03:05:47,310 --> 03:05:51,930 five, Davis, and Bruce Landau busanga, who was the VP of 2706 03:05:51,930 --> 03:05:56,430 Marketing, who I reported to, and he came up with the idea to 2707 03:05:56,430 --> 03:06:00,810 conduct this study, using some shooters here at the Harvard the 2708 03:06:00,810 --> 03:06:05,460 the B School students as a project. And they took it on, I 2709 03:06:05,460 --> 03:06:10,800 was a liaison between CBS and Harvard. And I worked directly 2710 03:06:10,800 --> 03:06:16,110 with those students and guiding them and that next day, and the 2711 03:06:16,110 --> 03:06:19,800 results of our study was called the Harvard report. Basically, 2712 03:06:19,830 --> 03:06:24,150 it was a Blueprint was a blueprint for pin trading, black 2713 03:06:24,150 --> 03:06:29,010 music, marketing, and also intentions of dominating black 2714 03:06:29,010 --> 03:06:31,140 music and black lives. That was 2715 03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:35,520 Adam Curry: power 101. The Harvard report. 2716 03:06:37,170 --> 03:06:40,080 Moe Factz: CA You thought it was a myth? No, 2717 03:06:40,110 --> 03:06:40,860 Adam Curry: it's real. 2718 03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:44,820 Moe Factz: And Mr. Logan said it will Mr. Westbrook said it was 2719 03:06:45,090 --> 03:06:50,460 in his original clip 49 He said it was it was a myth. The make 2720 03:06:51,030 --> 03:06:56,040 Clive look bad. Now he's the liaison going between the two 2721 03:06:57,270 --> 03:07:02,640 institutions being the bag man, basically. And it's the 2722 03:07:02,640 --> 03:07:05,940 blueprint, it went from a mirror to a blueprint. Which one is 2723 03:07:06,000 --> 03:07:09,930 Adam Curry: it a blueprint? This is interesting. Because this, of 2724 03:07:09,930 --> 03:07:13,170 course, is around this time, this is where we start to get 2725 03:07:13,170 --> 03:07:16,770 the conspiracy theories about you know, a relatively small 2726 03:07:16,770 --> 03:07:19,590 group who got together and said, Hey, this hip hop thing, we got 2727 03:07:19,590 --> 03:07:23,190 to do something with that we got to control that. We can control 2728 03:07:23,190 --> 03:07:27,270 the mass and we can do stuff for this. And is that am I going to 2729 03:07:27,270 --> 03:07:29,220 presume 94 might have some of that? 2730 03:07:30,390 --> 03:07:33,900 Moe Factz: Yeah, we're gonna get we're gonna go ahead to light a 2731 03:07:33,900 --> 03:07:39,360 platinum, the foundation down to show you all the inner workings, 2732 03:07:39,360 --> 03:07:44,100 the shift from this higher infinite power that this group 2733 03:07:44,100 --> 03:07:48,360 of people has, that has to be controlled. Gospel music isn't 2734 03:07:48,360 --> 03:07:53,850 that means gospel means the Good News. The machine can't allow 2735 03:07:53,850 --> 03:07:56,910 the good news to go because it teaches about liberation 2736 03:07:56,910 --> 03:07:58,980 freedom, you know, and being independent, 2737 03:07:59,190 --> 03:08:01,950 Adam Curry: and love. Oh my god, right? Let's not let's not 2738 03:08:01,950 --> 03:08:02,640 forget that. 2739 03:08:03,960 --> 03:08:10,800 Moe Factz: So what they done is promote the secular music, which 2740 03:08:10,800 --> 03:08:15,450 basically inverts gospel music. And at the same time, they 2741 03:08:15,450 --> 03:08:21,630 hijack the black secular music by eliminating Sam Cooke and 2742 03:08:21,960 --> 03:08:25,530 putting in other figures of power, we'll get back to that 2743 03:08:25,530 --> 03:08:30,540 and 94 Maybe, and then they got a 50 year plan on how they ran 2744 03:08:30,540 --> 03:08:35,130 their Rhino schedule. Black Music is wrapped up. How you 2745 03:08:35,130 --> 03:08:38,880 talked about 100 songs they pick for Oh, yeah. On the black radio 2746 03:08:38,880 --> 03:08:40,020 is 10 songs. Yeah. 2747 03:08:41,220 --> 03:08:43,620 Adam Curry: Well, that's going to be interesting when we when 2748 03:08:43,620 --> 03:08:46,590 we see things change with value for value music. This is what 2749 03:08:46,590 --> 03:08:50,100 you're talking about serendipitous? Yes, right around 2750 03:08:50,100 --> 03:08:53,340 this time right is we're celebrating 50 years of Jay Z 2751 03:08:53,340 --> 03:08:54,300 I'm sorry, hip hop 2752 03:08:54,990 --> 03:08:55,860 Moe Factz: on top. 2753 03:08:58,590 --> 03:09:00,750 Adam Curry: There's no coincidence in the kingdom. Mo 2754 03:09:00,780 --> 03:09:03,630 this happens to all this happens for a reason I love it. I love 2755 03:09:03,630 --> 03:09:05,580 that you brought this today. This is fantastic. 2756 03:09:06,690 --> 03:09:10,650 Moe Factz: I appreciate that. And as I always say, pay 2757 03:09:10,650 --> 03:09:14,010 attention to everything and the true reveal itself 2758 03:09:14,070 --> 03:09:17,220 Adam Curry: and we will try to get to you with 94 as soon as 2759 03:09:17,220 --> 03:09:21,720 possible. Thank you and remember to support us at mo facts.com 2760 03:09:21,720 --> 03:09:24,750 We'll see you soon everybody with episode number 94. 2761 03:09:49,980 --> 03:09:50,910 Unknown: Kitchen Kitchen Kitchen 2762 03:09:59,550 --> 03:10:05,250 to me My name is Lucia said where's Ricardo? You shall know 2763 03:10:05,250 --> 03:10:09,030 not to show these around to me like this when I turned 26 I was 2764 03:10:09,030 --> 03:10:12,900 like oh shit you said to me I remember what you said. 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