บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Jonah Lees | Missing Frames #0.90: Celebrating Superman

00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.199 of the movies we should have seen by this point 70 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.560 in our lives. I'm a huge film nerd, but I 71 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:47.519 am also and I say this with all level of humility. 72 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:51.639 I really truly mean this. I think I'm the biggest 73 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:56.000 Superman fan I know personally, so I knew this year 74 00:04:56.040 --> 00:05:00.480 I was like James James Gunns movies coming out, I've 75 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:05.160 got to do something for Superman. And so this whole 76 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.000 year I've been interviewing people involved in the production, my 77 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:13.079 favorite Superman writers, like all sorts of Superman people, and 78 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:17.240 that has dominated the podcast. The film watching and discovery 79 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.240 has fallen a little bit by the wayside, and all 80 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.399 my friends with been joking. They're like, what are you 81 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:25.680 gonna do when, like, you've got all these new listeners 82 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.439 who are obsessed with Superman, and then you're gonna switch 83 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:30.519 back to film. You're gonna lose all those listeners. The 84 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.759 film nerds are already like, why is this guy talking 85 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.240 about Superman all the time. That's not what I'm here for. 86 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:39.600 I want to hear some ingmar Bergmann, Akira Kirasawa, like 87 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.360 you know, ramblings. And so I was like this, this 88 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:44.319 is going to be a struggle. And then and then 89 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:48.000 a miracle happened. Jonah. Because I follow you on Instagram, 90 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.160 I saw you shared a post about Blue Moon and 91 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:54.319 I was like, wait a second, Jonah, he was in Superman. 92 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:57.240 He's in Blue Moon. And then doing a little bit 93 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.360 more digging, I discovered you were in this film midas Man, 94 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.879 about Brian Epstein, the Beatles manager, and you portrayed John Lennon, 95 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:07.279 and I was like, this is it. This is the answer. 96 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:10.639 You've connected all of my favorite things, and you were 97 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.800 going to bridge the gap from Superman rambling to cinema 98 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:17.399 and arts and music. 99 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:24.319 No pressure, the Holy Trifector, but Superman, Beatles. 100 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:25.959 I feel like they should be everybody's favorite things. 101 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:28.879 Honestly, Yeah, I know, I can't believe. I'm going to 102 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:32.279 pinch myself. Actually, the year that I've had, very lucky 103 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.199 and grateful to have all these things to talk about. 104 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.920 Because this is Midas Man. It was happening for it started, 105 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.879 what productions started or it was announced in twenty twenty 106 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:43.879 one ish and then that's correct. 107 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:47.040 Yeah, it was a long, long haul, and there was 108 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:48.360 a moment in there where I thought it wasn't going 109 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:50.560 to happen, and I had to mourn the whole thing. 110 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:53.959 So the fact that it even exists is such a 111 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:56.759 beautiful miracle. So I'm just grateful that we even have 112 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.639 that movie, because obviously Brian Epstein deserves history to be told. 113 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:02.680 So I'm glad it even exists. 114 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:04.680 And this is what's gonna be hard. We're gonna keep 115 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.000 this at a manageable length because you've got more important 116 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:09.000 things to do than listen to me ramble. But we 117 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:14.240 have to talk about Beatles, Superman and Richard link later, 118 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.199 all of my favorite things. So we're gonna any one 119 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.879 of those could have been an entire podcast. We're gonna 120 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:23.839 try to try to squeeze it all into manageable length. 121 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.319 Before we do that, I want to learn a little 122 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:28.360 bit more about you. You have a twin brother, Christian, 123 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:32.000 who is also in Superman, and you have been doing 124 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.639 some films together. But what was it that kind of 125 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:38.680 sparked the interest in acting and you're a musician as well, 126 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:40.800 Like give me, give me the deets, like how did 127 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:41.800 you get into this world? 128 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:45.360 Yeah? I feel like it sounds a little bit of 129 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:49.480 a cliche. I hear a lot of actor my fellow 130 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:52.720 actor types on interviews say this, but for us, it 131 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:55.680 really is true. My twin brother and I I kind 132 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.600 of kind of can't remember a time where we weren't 133 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:01.040 playing pretend or I think our pairerents knew very early 134 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:05.879 on because rather than playing football was a huge thing 135 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:08.319 a soccer, as you guys would say in. 136 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:12.040 The football, because I too don't know where soccer came from. 137 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:13.600 Football makes more sense to make sure. 138 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:17.439 Yeah, so football, we weren't really playing or watching as much.

139 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:21.720 We wanted to be Batman and Robin or Peter Pan 140 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:24.199 and Captain Hirk or Jedis you know we wanted we 141 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.879 just we had this huge It was like a pirate's 142 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.639 treasure chest. It was massive, of costumes, and we would 143 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:33.519 just force our parents or anyone who was over to 144 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.639 kind of watch these recreations that you know, it was 145 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:40.840 just like very clear what we wanted to do, and 146 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:46.799 so they enrolled us into an amazing theater community amateur 147 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:49.879 dramatics club where we grew up in Clacton. 148 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:51.159 How old were you? 149 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:55.759 We were young. I mean when we started, we were 150 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:58.840 on stage. There's this amazing video at three years old. 151 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:03.080 Our parents met in a and I'm going I'm jumping back. 152 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.639 And forth, so please do it's okay. 153 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.360 Going back when we were three years old our parents. 154 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:10.960 Our parents met in a band and they were always 155 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.799 touring on cruises, and we kind of grew up backstage 156 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.200 kind of like with our parents, singing songs. And so 157 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:19.679 I remember there's this video of us thinking that we're playing. 158 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:21.519 I've got this tiny lot of guitar, my brother's got 159 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:23.919 this drum kit, and the band is behind us. But 160 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:26.720 we we really think we're playing and singing. So that 161 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.320 there was always music in the family and pianos and stuff, 162 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.399 which is why we grew up as musicians too. But 163 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:36.679 then yeah, we probably about I don't know the truth 164 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:39.600 actually of how old we were when we were doing 165 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:42.240 the shows, but we would do like Bugsy Malone and 166 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:48.879 Oliver Twist, and probably about six, maybe five or six 167 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:52.039 we started doing that kind of stuff. Six seven, when 168 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.440 we were eight, we'd gotten into some TV some like 169 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:58.399 I was in this procedural called Holby City, which is 170 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.720 kind of like er something like that, and then we 171 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:03.639 were in the musical theaters in the West End. I 172 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:05.919 was in Mary Poppins when I was ten, and Christian 173 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:09.639 was Gavroche and lay Mis and we got into stage 174 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.720 school and we got an agency and

we've just kind 175 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.919 of been working like professionally ever since that age, So 176 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:16.559 for a long long time. 177 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.480 That's awesome. And did you guys ever like as twins, 178 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.360 was it ever like I'm gonna go for this role, 179 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:25.639 you go for that role, or was there ever any 180 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:29.240 competitiveness to get a role, Like I'm so curious about that. 181 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:33.519 The very first time was tough because you know, we 182 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.879 were both fit the bill always we both looked at 183 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:40.320 the right age, and so very first time we were 184 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:42.039 eight years old. I remember I got the call the 185 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.639 same day that I had auditioned for it. So it 186 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:47.759 was on the train back that we had heard okay, 187 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:51.399 and then Christian was distraught. Yeah, my brother, So that 188 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.600 was tough, but it very quickly got First of all, 189 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.000 I don't know who was looking out for us up there, 190 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.879 but like it, it just kind of evened itself out. 191 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.279 Then he booked a small TV role, and then he 192 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:05.720 was in the West End, and then I was in 193 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:08.279 the West End, and then we both had to play together. 194 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:10.679 It's just like even itself out when we were kids 195 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.519 in a way that our parents or no one could 196 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.200 have ever really, it could have easily been one of 197 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.679 us just gathering momentum and the other one really never 198 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.639 booking any roles at all. So we were very blessed 199 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:25.399 and lucky in that way that we kind of evened 200 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:29.039 itself out because it may have been I can't tell 201 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:31.840 you how. Maybe it would have been much harder for us, 202 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.360 but we were very lucky. And we were also lucky 203 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:38.879 enough to have worked together a bunch as well, which helped. 204 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:40.960 But no to the answer that that was a long 205 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:45.519 answer to basically say that there's no luckily now kind 206 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:47.600 of competition between us. To be honest, it's the opposite. 207 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:49.320 We often go up for the same role and help 208 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:51.600 each other with the audition and if he gets it, 209 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:53.919 then I'm much happier then if anyone else were to 210 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:55.919 have got it. So yeah, we've got a good balance 211 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:56.120 with that. 212 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.559 Well, I know, I imagine it's what a cool career 213 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:01.399 breakthrough for both of you to be able to be 214 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.600 in Superman together. Yes, like to be able to share that, 215 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:06.919 because that's I mean, that's got to be the biggest 216 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:08.440 thing you guys have done. 217 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:11.879 You know, we're both auditioned for Spider Man, and I 218 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.720 remember thinking back in the day, you know, Tom Holland 219 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:17.440 for the character. Yeah, but back when Tom, you know, 220 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:19.639 when they were looking for the new Spider Man, and 221 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:23.080 we actually I remember both getting at least one call 222 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.679 back for that, and I remember thinking, this is the 223 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:29.960 kind of thing where one of us gets this. It's 224 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:32.320 gonna be and we we've always kind of felt a 225 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:35.200 little bit like this this industry is so much like, Okay, 226 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:37.080 there's gonna be a big break at one point for 227 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:38.759 one of us. And how's that going to look? Because 228 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.039 you know it's going to be like, oh, I'm Christian 229 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.080 Leese's brother. When is that going to happen? 230 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:43.360 You know? 231 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.879 And that still may happen, you know, And I think 232 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:50.000 We're prepared for that. But what was so lovely about 233 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:53.440 Superman was it was this weird thing where we both 234 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:56.200 got the call and we were like, this is cool, 235 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.960 Like we get to do this together, like our biggest thing. 236 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:04.440 Obviously it's such a huge scale. It was a dream 237 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:06.679 come true, to be honest, and just to share that 238 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:12.639 that moment with him was incredible. We our lives were 239 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:16.000 I mean, John Williams for us is a huge thing 240 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:19.000 and that score appears in the movie and oh my god. Yeah, 241 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:22.320 I remember our dad would fly us around as babies 242 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:24.559 and we would fly around to the flying theme on Superman. 243 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:25.360 So it was definitely. 244 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:30.360 I have I have video proof of me and my son, 245 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.440 my four year old, doing that, and he can sing 246 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.919 the entire the main theme from Superman, which you know, 247 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:41.080 I feel like I can. Just that's my

greatest achievement 248 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:44.440 as a parent brought up well, if nothing else, Yeah, 249 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:48.360 I feel like I've accomplished something major. But speaking of that, 250 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:51.000 I'm glad you mentioned John Williams because you're a musician. 251 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:52.879 Are you and Christian or both musicians? 252 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:56.399 Yes, we have. Actually, we've been lucky enough to play 253 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.000 a lot of musicians. I think I've played more musicians 254 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.799 now than I have not in my career, which is 255 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.240 funny to say, but it's true. 256 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:07.159 At what point were you thinking, like, was there ever 257 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:09.240 a point where it was like, you know, I'm leaning 258 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:12.200 more towards this or that. I guess like in the 259 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:14.879 realm of creativity, it's almost like, well, what is going 260 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:16.919 to pan like, you know, let's just see what pans out. 261 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:18.799 There was a small there was a moment when I 262 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.480 was sixteen, I was writing a lot of songs and 263 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:23.200 I thought, oh, I'm just going to go on Britain's 264 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:24.679 Got Talent or X factor. I'm going to be a 265 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.960 singer songwriter and That's what I'm going to do. And 266 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.480 it was, to be honest, if I'm being honest, just 267 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:35.600 following the momentum and following what was happening. I see 268 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:38.120 them like like you kind of said, almost as they 269 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:42.200 feel very same to me as in terms of like 270 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:45.080 what I do. It doesn't feel too different in terms 271 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:50.440 of telling stories and characters. And I've been lucky enough, 272 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.960 like I said, to use my musicality in a lot 273 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.399 of a lot of roles, so I get to kind 274 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.600 of do both so it doesn't feel like I'm missing 275 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:02.200 the music side, because I I've kind of been able 276 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:04.080 to keep it with me in my acting roles, which 277 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:04.440 is great. 278 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:06.919 Are you still writing songs? I do. 279 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.080 I still write songs, although I will say when I 280 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:12.159 got with my partner Nicole, I used to write a 281 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:13.679 lot of songs about how lonely I was. 282 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:19.480 But like, honestly, heartbreak is like, I mean, the perfect. 283 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:24.879 Long It took a while for me because it's also 284 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.039 a solitary thing. I felt like songwriting was the kind 285 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:29.600 of thing when I was on my own, you know, 286 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:31.559 just kind of like traveling around just me and my 287 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.080 suitcase and my guitar, And it did feel a little 288 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:36.159 bit strange to be so happy and be next to 289 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:38.519 Nicole and then be like, I'm going to just do 290 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:44.480 it very self indulgent songwriting. Just do this, and then 291 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:47.840 when you've got someone you're there, it's like, ah, okay, 292 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.799 I'm fulfilled, I'm happy. And then now I've just kind 293 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.919 of realized you can write about how happy you are. 294 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:58.720 You can Also I've really started enjoying writing about a character, 295 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.960 like about like telling stories that aren't about so like 296 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:05.879 like a journal, you know, it doesn't have to be personal, 297 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:08.480 but also fictional so. 298 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.039 You're more so you're more of a Paul songwriter than 299 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:11.960 a John songwriter. 300 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.159 You would say, well, I think I'm doing that now 301 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.600 as kind of just to keep my creativity going. You know, 302 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:22.360 it's a very good I love the way you did 303 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.080 that there, because yeah, John and not John and Paul, 304 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.799 but John and Paul Simon. I have transitioned into more 305 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.519 of like, okay, let's just kind of and there's so 306 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.720 many different ways of songwriting. There was a great songwriter. 307 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:40.200 His name is Tom Fletcher. He was in a British 308 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.720 band called McFly, and he does like musicals, he writes 309 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:45.159 children's books. But he was saying that to keep it 310 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.360 fresh for him. So like, if you typically write a 311 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:51.080 song and you're on your guitar, you're on your acoustic 312 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:52.919 guitar and the melody comes out and then the lyrics 313 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:55.799 comes later, to change that process completely, throw away your guitar, 314 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:58.039 write the lyrics, don't think of the melody, and so 315 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:01.279 I like to change it up to keep it, to 316 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:02.000 keep it fresh. 317 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.519 I love that. I don't play a single instrument, so 318 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.839 I'm always like, damn, that was something I got to 319 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:08.279 just wit. 320 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.079 Back up

again. Really and it is. It's a lonely 321 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:13.880 thing though, so I find out I'll write if I'm 322 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:15.960 on set and I'm away from the coal, you know, 323 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:17.880 So it's a hard thing to do. I don't know 324 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:20.759 if other I wonder if other songwriters feel that way, 325 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:23.759 but like it definitely stopped like for years when I 326 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.240 found the call, and I only just started bringing it back. 327 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:28.559 I do a lot of writing, and I did a 328 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:31.960 lot more writing before my son and I not songwriting, 329 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:35.079 but just write like scriptwriting and story writing exactly. And 330 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:39.200 it's a very solitary, aren't You kind of lock yourself 331 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:42.720 away in a room. And I think the struggle now 332 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.279 that I've had is kind of similar to what you've said, Sarah. 333 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.319 And my wife Sarah has always been very supportive of like, yeah, right, 334 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:50.240 and do your thing, But once you have a kid, 335 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:53.160 or like a responsibility like that, or like a romantic partner, 336 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:56.519 you do feel that sense of like I don't want 337 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:59.480 to separate myself from this person and like do this thing. 338 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:01.599 Often it's like, you know, you kind of have to 339 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.599 then find the way to channel that creativity and love 340 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:10.000 for that passion while balancing it with domesticity, which. 341 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:12.599 Is a funny balance. It's it's it's one that I'm 342 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:16.720 still learning. And it's the kind of thing that Nicole 343 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:19.240 I know, has said, you know, because she knew I 344 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:21.240 used to write songs a lot. She was like, you should, 345 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:23.400 you should do it, and it's just this weird thing. 346 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:26.880 Or I'm like, yeah, I should, I should, you should. 347 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.640 I encourage you to do it. So, because like I said, 348 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.000 we have three three things to talk about. We have 349 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:34.559 these three films you were in mightas Man, Superman in 350 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:37.839 Blue Moon. I put these in a wheel, one of 351 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.400 those wheel, oh curators, a random thing. So we're going 352 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:43.920 to find out what we're talking about first. I'm spinning 353 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:44.279 the wheel. 354 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:45.920 Now a great idea, that's exciting. 355 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:50.079 All right, let's see. Oh my god, come on Superman.

See. 356 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.440 I was like, we're gonna make that. There's a you 357 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:54.759 can't hear it, the audience can't hear it. There's applause 358 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.519 happening in my headphones right now. When it lands on 359 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.960 the spot and Superman is the winner. That was you know, 360 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:04.960 I guess a strategic podcaster would say, let's say everyone's 361 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:06.880 here for Superman, so let's save it for the end. 362 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:10.240 I'm not a strategic person, not a very intelligent person. 363 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.559 So we're just gonna start at the front, and then 364 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:14.799 anybody who was here for Superman and doesn't want to 365 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:16.359 hear the film nerdiness can hop off. 366 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:18.160 But you know you want to stay, Maybe I'll try 367 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.960 and just leave some Yeah, leave some tidbits of the 368 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:25.440 end to something MC you like post. 369 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:28.240 Credits teasers for some great stuff. 370 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.680 But we're gonna say, I'll leave that till the very end. 371 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:34.359 Great good. See. Well, then there you go. This is it. 372 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:37.680 So you're gonna be my my strategist, my podcast strategist, 373 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.839 and help me, help me go go totally viral. All right, Well, 374 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:46.160 talking about Superman, let's just start with Superman himself, like 375 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.640 as a character where you I feel like, well, I 376 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:50.039 feel like it's a dumb question to say, were you 377 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:52.680 familiar with him? Because it's such a like I feel 378 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:54.440 like there's never been a time in my life where 379 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:57.839 I have it known Superman and that way for me too. 380 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:03.160 Isn't that strange? Somehow characters feel that we almost like, 381 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.400 you know, how animals are born with certain instincts. It 382 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:10.519 feels archetypal in a way that Superman has always been there, 383 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.920 and that's I don't think that's overly dramatic to say. 384 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:15.799 It does kind of feel like you just kind of 385 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:20.799 are born with certain archetypes and Superman is one of them. 386 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:24.279 Whether that's just because he's so part of pop culture 387 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:29.400 or what. But no, I was very lucky that our 388 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:31.880 household was. I grew up with a lot of great music, 389 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:34.839 a lot of great movies and the and so John 390 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.880 Williams is. I still have this playlist called Magical Playlist 391 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:39.599 that I can send to you if you want on Spotify. 392 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:42.079 I send it to a lot of my friends and 393 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:44.160 family and they all kind of say, I just it 394 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:48.160 literally scores My life started off just as John Williams, 395 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:51.400 but now it's Howard Sure and hand Zimmer and all 396 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:55.039 these things. The best kind of music to kind of 397 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:56.880 live your life, to wake up to it, kind of 398 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:03.640 drive to it. Whatever. But yeah, that original not I 399 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:05.160 don't know if there was any There was probably some 400 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:10.119 Superman before, but the in the seventies with that John 401 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:16.640 Williams and Chris Christopher Reeves, that's how that christ Yeah, 402 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:22.400 that movie was so kind of pivotal for me and 403 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.519 kind of just the magic that that that that movie brought, 404 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:31.039 along with other Spielberg Williams kind of one of those 405 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:33.839 movies that just was, yeah, it was on repeat, and 406 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.039 that that music before we could talk. I'm sure my 407 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:38.960 mom my mom used to say that that music was 408 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:43.240 kind of playing in our cribs. So I feel like 409 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:44.920 we didn't have a choice, but we were just kind 410 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:48.519 of grew up on that. But the character itself, yeah, 411 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:50.720 I didn't. I never got into comic books, but that 412 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:54.000 was more just because like I had an aversion to reading. 413 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:55.440 I wish I didn't. When I was a kid, I 414 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:57.200 just thought it was nerds read. 415 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.599 I mean, it's still true very inherding people read. 416 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:04.480 Oh, I was a nerd. I was a nerd in 417 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:06.400 the sense of I loved Star Wars and I loved 418 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:08.039 all this stuff. I don't know what I was thinking, 419 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.599 but I just think, look, I didn't never wanted to 420 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:13.640 do homework, and it felt like homework. And now, in hindsight, 421 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:17.440 I'm reading all the Harry Potters with my girlfriend Nicole. 422 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:18.200 And have you read them before? 423 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.519 Never? And so it was, and I do have this 424 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.519 awful it's you know, they say you should never regret anything. 425 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:28.960 I fully regret not reading as a child because I 426 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.279 know how much I

would have loved those books as 427 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:35.440 a child and other books, and yeah, so I know 428 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:37.599 when I have children, I'm gonna I'm not gonna let 429 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:39.400 them be too cool to read, because that's such a 430 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.720 silly thing to say. But yeah, I missed out on that, 431 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:47.039 But so I didn't for some reason. I also didn't 432 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:50.279 pick up comic books just and I also now feel like, 433 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:53.400 as an older man, I'm like missed out because I 434 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.079 love Superman and those kind of characters, and I just 435 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:58.640 kind of pigeonholed myself to the movies, which made me 436 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:00.519 make sense that I'm an actor, but I mean, I 437 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:02.079 just was all in on movies. 438 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.079 Well, it's the same way with me. I was very 439 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:06.599 much a film kid growing up, and that was how 440 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.880 I think that was where my love of storytelling started. 441 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:11.680 And I was reading when I was young. I read 442 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:13.799 when I was young, but I definitely at a certain 443 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:17.000 point was like I kind of gravitated very much towards film, 444 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:20.039 and then eventually music and reading kind of snuck back 445 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:22.359 into my life once I was in college, but film 446 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:25.160 is the primary thing. So just like you, I have 447 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:29.920 I'm realizing now I have really great stories of how 448 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.799 I became a Beatles fan. A link later Superman Man. Yeah, 449 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:37.680 I'll give you the Superman one here. So I remember 450 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.960 I was four or five. I have a distinct memory 451 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.880 of my first real exposure to Superman. I have a couple. Wow. 452 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:48.519 I remember having one of those. Did you ever get 453 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.680 one of those like vinyl costumes with the plastic masks, 454 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.799 like a Halloween costume or something like that, where the 455 00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:59.039 plastic mask would break and crash. 456 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:05.160 Yeah, the most uncomfortable and it sweated about. 457 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:08.599 I know, terrible. So I had one of those for 458 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:11.400 Superman and I was four, and I remember my parents 459 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:14.920 chasing me around singing the Williams theme and me being 460 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.799 like very embarrassed and like leave me alone. But then 461 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:19.920 I remember asking them like, what does Superman do? Can 462 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:23.119 he can fly? Okay? Cool? And then I remember seeing 463 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:26.799 a commercial for the Donner film on TV for like 464 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:31.319 a television airing, and they showed the shot of Lex 465 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.440 Luthor pushing Superman into the swimming pool with the krypt 466 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:38.119 knit necklace. And I remember asking my dad said, what happened? Why? 467 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:40.079 You know? I didn't know anything about kryptonite, So I 468 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:42.000 was like, how did I thought he was powerful? Like 469 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.279 he just got pushed into a swimming pool. Doesn't he fly? 470 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.839 And my dad goes, oh, he had a stomach ache. 471 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:50.680 It's like Superman had a stomach ache. You couldn't have 472 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:53.200 just told me he thought I was too young to 473 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:54.400 know about crypt. 474 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.960 He did, Oh, he was protecting you from the idea 475 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:57.519 of cryptos. 476 00:24:57.599 --> 00:24:59.880 Yes, I think maybe that's what it was, or honestly, 477 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:01.960 I think what really happens my dad didn't know. 478 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:03.319 And was that's what I was going to say. I 479 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:04.880 was like, it's going to be one of the two 480 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:08.160 because kryptonite. 481 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:11.000 My dad was a sweet, sweet guy, But I guarantee 482 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:12.559 you it's just like he was like, I don't want 483 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:14.519 to talk about like a stomach. 484 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:16.240 Well, I do like the idea that he was like 485 00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:18.839 he's too young to know about I love. 486 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.319 That's what I prefer. But I also am thinking to myself, 487 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.000 I think it caused more damage because I was like, 488 00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:28.200 a stomach how does Superman's invincible and flies but a 489 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.000 stomach ache is a weakness of his So it really 490 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:33.200 threw me off until I finally saw the film and 491 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:36.559 understood it. But that was like my earliest memory, and 492 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:39.640 then I remember for nap times my parents would put 493 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.200 me down for nap time, and I would I developed 494 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:44.359 this internal clock that is stuck with me to this 495 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:47.440 day where I would wake up or not sleep, but 496 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.160 I would just detect. I'm like, Okay, it's this block 497 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:52.039 of time where I don't know if you had like 498 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.640 Sesame Street and yeah, mister Rodgers and all that stuff. 499 00:25:55.759 -->

00:25:58.000 You didn't have, mister or at least I didn't, But 500 00:25:58.039 --> 00:25:59.359 I didn't have that Sesame Street. 501 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.359 There was a block of time where it was like 502 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:03.400 mister Rogers Sesame Street. And I would sneak out of 503 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.359 my room during naptime and go downstairs and put those 504 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.400 on and watch them. And at a certain point I 505 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:13.599 decided I'm going to find my parents would tape movies 506 00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:15.559 off TV, and I'm like, there's got to be a 507 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:20.200 Superman tape here somewhere in my house. That's how I 508 00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:21.920 saw it back to the future for the first time. 509 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:25.240 I love this. Yeah cool, I love that you were 510 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.759 sneaking downstairs to watch movies. 511 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:32.079 Yes, that's awesome. I think that's where like all this 512 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:37.119 like love of cinema started. But I remember looking through 513 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:40.079 all the vhs taped, you know, with sharpie marker like 514 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.400 scribble the name scribbled, and as a four or five 515 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:47.200 year old, I could recognize the word super but if 516 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:49.200 I saw that, I would assume it was Superman. And 517 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.599 so my dad, as a football fan, had taped countless 518 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.319 Super Bowls, and so one after another, I would put it, oh, 519 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:58.480 super put it in, Oh, this is football, what is that? 520 00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:01.599 That's not what's super about? I take it out. And 521 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:08.400 then finally I stumbled on a VHS taped broadcast of 522 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:14.000 Superman two. And Superman two opens with a recap of 523 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:19.160 Superman one for the opening credits, and I just remember 524 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.440 watching that and like realizing, like, oh, it's not football 525 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.079 or an outer space and what's going on? And then 526 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.559 the opening credits start and I don't know any I 527 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:29.799 don't know Clark Kent. I don't know that he was 528 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:31.960 sent to Earth as a baby. So I'm watching all 529 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.400 these things happening, and then at a certain point in 530 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:36.400 the opening credits, you know, the Williams theme kicks in 531 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.039 and the giant s comes up, and I'm like, oh 532 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.039 my god, this is it. And then I'm watching this 533 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:46.160 montage of the first film and that's him. It's Superman, 534 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.839 and like he flies and he grabbed a helicopter and 535 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.640 it blew my mind, and I was so excited that 536 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.880 maybe subconsciously I knew I was going to get in trouble. 537 00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.599 But I ran to my parents' room during that time 538 00:27:58.640 --> 00:27:59.839 when I was supposed to be asleep, and I was 539 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:03.240 like like yelling, like super like and the s fluid 540 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:05.559 the screen and did it and like it was. It 541 00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:10.440 was great and that was my my first It was like, 542 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.519 you know, never looked back that From that point on, 543 00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.559 I was in love with that. 544 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.599 That's amazing. I love that story. That's so cool. 545 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:19.920 As I got older, what was great is as a 546 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.799 film fan, as a kid, I think you're like Superman 547 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:25.519 two is cooler because he punches bad guys in that one. 548 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.039 But as I got older, I kind of switched and 549 00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:30.400 I realized I was like, wait a second, this first 550 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:35.039 Donner movie is really special. Like Bed. It was that 551 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.160 moment of realizing something you'd grown up with and maybe 552 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.960 had like a nostalgia for was actually really good, and 553 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.759 as a film starting to discover film and filmmaking and 554 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.559 understanding the craft and what a different director's vision can 555 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.960 bring to a project. I remember watching that film and 556 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.880 being like, not only is this like like a way 557 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:58.039 better movie, but it's actually a great movie. And it's 558 00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:00.200 actually like part of why it's great is because because 559 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.079 it's so funny, like it's very clever, like that, you know, 560 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.000 you've got me, who's got you? And like all that stuff. 561 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.079 I remember, it's just kind of clicking my mind. Like 562 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:09.240 I've watched this movie for years, but the humor never 563 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:09.960 clicked with me. 564 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.519 It is one of those that ages really well. It's 565 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.960 not as a kid, you can you can really enjoy it, 566 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.519 but as you get older, I completely agree with that sentiment, 567 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.519 you realize, actually, this is a great movie just on 568 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.599 it on its own, like it stands alone, and it's 569 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:27.279 you know, for a superhero movie as well. I know 570 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.960 at that

time they weren't doing as many but like 571 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.680 it just as good. It's just it's just it, frame 572 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:35.680 by frame what they did with it, it is just 573 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:37.759 very and what Christopher Reeves did with it as well, 574 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.799 it's fun so good considering that he was kind of 575 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:46.720 really pioneering that character, I feel like and his choice 576 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:48.680 is incredible. 577 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.119 Everything I think we know about that character yeah, comes 578 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:54.440 from that movie. You know that movie, Like, well I could. 579 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.359 See agree at least at least yeah for me my generation, 580 00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:00.680 and I think that afterwards, whether you knew it or not, 581 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.039 anyone that was creating any kind of Superman content, he 582 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:09.319 really shaped this incredibly kind of like gentleman, kind of 583 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.279 light yes, version of. 584 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:16.799 Kind of dorky, like like just sort of sweet guy and. 585 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.680 Enjoyed doing it. He enjoyed doing it. And that's what 586 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.599 James Gunn loved about Superman. I think he really wanted 587 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.079 to bring that back, was that he just loved helping people. 588 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:31.960 Yeah, I remember hearing interviews with James early on being 589 00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:35.839 so excited as a Superman fan. I feel like, if 590 00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:38.559 you lose the joy of it, if you lose the 591 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:40.480 sight of the fact that it's like, yeah, this guy 592 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.200 is kind of dorky and silly, and he does wear 593 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.799 his underwear outside of his pants and that's dumb and 594 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.519 that's why it's great. And like, if you lose sight 595 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.440 of that, then to me, it's not about the flying 596 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.559 the laser, like that's all cool stuff, of course, and 597 00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.240 the color is like of course, but like that to 598 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.079 me is he's the hero who will stop an alien 599 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.559 invasion but also stop to save a little girl's cat 600 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.039 from a tree. That's why it was so crazy when 601 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:15.880 I heard that audience's test. Audiences wanted James to come 602 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.799 out the squirrel. I was like, are you kidding me? 603 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.599 I applaud I applauded that scene in the theater. I 604 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.519 was like, that is the core that Harketer, It's the. 605 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.519 Heart of it, man, And I think, I just it's funny. 606

00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:31.759 I wasn't looking for it, but I was scrolling and 607 00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:35.160 I saw David corn sweats audition for Superman pop up 608 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:37.119 on my feed and I'd already seen it, but I 609 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.240 watched it again today and it's so it's just like 610 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.240 it's amazing. I know I've heard this story. I don't 611 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:45.519 know if you've heard the stories that he had done 612 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.039 it a bunch of times and then he this take. 613 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:54.000 It's powerful, not just for the switch, but it's the 614 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:59.480 effortless presence that he brings to the listening, which is 615 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:03.200 almost it's better than the parts where he gets Obviously 616 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.319 he's great when he's but I was just so blown 617 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:12.119 away by his listening. It felt perfect and that that 618 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.119 is such a great And I was there on have 619 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.160 you seen that? There was the viral clips of like yes, 620 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:22.960 James's discussion, we were there, yeah, and what was just. 621 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.680 Just to give context to the people who are not 622 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.519 as Superman fans as we are. But there is a 623 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.720 clip in a documentary about the making of Superman where 624 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:35.400 like I would call it a heated moment, but it's 625 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.400 not like a negative moment. But there's a moment where 626 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:43.400 they yes, yeah, it's David is struggling to the speech 627 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.240 at the end of the movie. A spoiler alert sorry, 628 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:49.000 the speech that Superman delivers two legs at the end 629 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:50.799 of the movie, this heart felt speech about what it 630 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.359 means to be human and da da da. David on 631 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:57.759 set was really struggling to find the motivation for it. 632 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:03.319 And James, isn't it he is for for calling David 633 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.240 out and for his theater nerd background and always having 634 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.599 to think and ask questions. But you tell the story, 635 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:10.799 you were there, you tell. 636 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.839 Me, well, well, what's I was blown away by? I 637 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:19.799 should preface by saying I was not prepared for seeing 638 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.160 David in the costume and how it would make me 639 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.440 feel like I knew, I knew it was gonna be 640 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:29.200 like cool. I was already pinching myself. But when I 641 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:33.680 tell you, I felt five years old in such a 642 00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:37.799 magical way, like Disneyland times ten like I was just 643 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.839 like we was supposed to be playing the bad guys, 644 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.400 and when he flies in, I had to stop myself 645 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:47.200 in the first take from being like yeah, the listeners, listeners, 646 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:50.200 my mouth is open and I'm just like complete. I 647 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.839 literally looked like a kid in a candy shop. Right 648 00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.200 right before action, I was like to Christian, Christian. 649 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.240 We need to we need to stop. 650 00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:02.440 Walking at super Man, which maybe in hindsight could have 651 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:04.160 been a funny choice, but like it was. 652 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.199 You guys are the biggest fans and likes his like 653 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:09.760 yeah doing yeah. 654 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.719 Exactly know. But we pulled it together. But he flew in. 655 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.239 We watched him fly in like on wires. It was 656 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:21.719 so magical. And then we watched this scene and I'm thinking, 657 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.000 you know, as an actor, this is this is incredible. 658 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.639 Like nothing was wrong and so it wasn't really that 659 00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:30.679 David was struggling. He was in a rhythm, but it 660 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.239 was just different than what James was picturing for the 661 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:40.519 type of he was two. He was like, you know, 662 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.360 he was Superman and he was he had it together 663 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.760 and he wasn't getting emotional enough for James, and James 664 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.920 was like, no, this you pissed off you're upset and 665 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.639 your feelings are hurt, and I don't think at first. 666 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.039 David is incredible act and and he he is not 667 00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:58.360 afraid to intellectually say that I don't He's not afraid 668 00:34:58.360 --> 00:34:59.519 to be like, no, I don't get that, I don't 669 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.960 see it. It was just his interesting moment where it 670 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.280 was a little bit awkward because at first James is 671 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.880 on the mic and David's on the set, and so 672 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.360 he's giving him direction and you can see David's like, 673 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.719 I don't know, I don't feel it. And as an actor, 674 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.360 I got to tell you, if you're being asked to 675 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:17.239 do in something that you don't feel is true, our 676 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:19.679 biggest job is to be truthful, and so it's a 677 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.039 what he did was one hundred percent of the right thing.

678 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.000 It's so much better than just going ah, okay, I'll 679 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.639 do it. Like no, if you don't feel that's truthful, 680 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.599 it's no matter how what good it is, you got 681 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:30.920 to be like no, I don't get it. And so 682 00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.400 then that moment happened, and then for me, I was 683 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.840 so it was so cool to see the footage because 684 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.000 the second he left set, we didn't know what was happening, 685 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.079 and I was like, this is huge. Is there about 686 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:43.480 to be like a punch up? Like what's it about 687 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:43.840 to happen? 688 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.440 Like a and also for a big production like this 689 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.639 Time Lost is like all right, one hundred thousand dollars, 690 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.519 two hundred thousand dollars, like how much every minute is 691 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:55.599 like a hundred gay he did. 692 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.679 Feel a little dramatic. I was like, oh, okay, so 693 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:02.480 what's going to happen? And then he came out and 694 00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:05.960 I'm getting shivers head to so shivers thinking about it 695 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.920 because we didn't hear what James had said. And the 696 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:12.360 take I'm pretty sure it's a take they used was 697 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.280 right after that, and you just go wh it was 698 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:18.679 just he was hurt. His feelings were hurt, and that's 699 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.440 what made him human. That's what that you know, even 700 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.840 though he is an alien, he's got that humanity inside 701 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.559 him to where he's not above having his feelings hurt. 702 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:30.800 And I don't think that we've seen that in any Superman, 703 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.280 not even the Christopher Reeves, like, really, that was beautiful 704 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.519 that James understood that he needed to imbue that. 705 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.639 Well, it's something and I used this as an example. 706 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.760 Of course, we've already professed our love for the Donner film. 707 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.119 I think it's perf I love Donner's Superman with all 708 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.360 my heart, but I also think Donner Superman is a 709 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.679 lot like you could compare it to a classic Bond 710 00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:59.039 film with Connery, like Goldfinger, where Bond is a fully 711 00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:03.400 formed character. It's not really about the depth of the character. 712 00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.039 It's just about like Bond is here, He's got his gadgets, 713 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.599 he's got his

babes, he's got his car, He's gonna 714 00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.239 do cool stuff, and they're gonna there's gonna be explosions, 715 00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.320 you're gonna have a great time. And you compare that 716 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:18.039 to Casino Royale, which is my personal favorite Bond film, 717 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:20.280 But that's like it took it to like a I 718 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.840 didn't know I needed Casino Royale until I saw it, 719 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.719 and I was like, holy that. I never knew I 720 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.639 needed to know that about James Bond. And I've been 721 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.400 saying yeah, and I've been saying that for years about Superman. 722 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:37.719 As a fan. I've said, like, you know, I get 723 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:41.039 the complaints about Superman. Oh he's so perfect and da 724 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:42.840 da dad, And I was like, I've never seen him 725 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:44.960 that way. I've read a lot of the comics and 726 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.840 they're obviously able to get into you know, you have 727 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.440 the space and the time in a comic book that 728 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.559 you don't have in a future film. But I was like, 729 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.199 I don't see Superman that way as perfect or anything 730 00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.840 like that. I think there's a way to portray his 731 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.440 strength in his invincibility while also showing his vulnerability. So 732 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.880 that scene in the film, I remember I saw the 733 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.280 film three times. It's opening week. I got to go 734 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.760 to the press screening, and then my wife and I 735 00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.000 got to do the Amazon Prime early screening the next day. 736 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.400 So I saw it twice in two days. And then 737 00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:19.840 at the end of the week, it was my friend's 738 00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:21.880 birthday and I was like, you want to see Superman, right, 739 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.320 Let's go see Superman. He's like, actually, that's what you 740 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.599 want to do, but I was like, hey, a happy birthday, buddy. 741 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.800 But I remember seeing it and the audience after that speech, 742 00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.079 just that moment of like curing the audience, like and 743 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:39.280 for me personally, I was just like I needed the 744 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.639 world to hear that because I felt like I knew 745 00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:44.639 that and I wanted everyone to know what I saw 746 00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.760 on this character because I feel like people misunderstand Superman 747 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:48.480 a lot in that way. 748 00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:52.079 Well, actually, you know it's not you know,

as much 749 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:53.880 as we could go. Yeah, but you know, you know, 750 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.840 he's got weaknesses too. A lot of the time, especially 751 00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:58.360 in movies. Is crip tonight? Okay? 752 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.800 Yes, yeah, always one built in. 753 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:03.320 But that's what was so cool, you know, And it 754 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:07.119 was throughout the whole movie, the choice that Lois was 755 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:12.159 already kind of like a thing. I loved that. I 756 00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.320 loved that, and I was like, they're bickering and then 757 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.639 we just don't see that. It just was so grounded instantly, 758 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.039 and that's when I knew right from the start, I 759 00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.840 was like, this is gonna be really good, like the 760 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:27.280 dynamic that it was just the oh, it's just like 761 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.679 this is so like you said, didn't know we needed it. 762 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:32.880 And then now I'm just like, how have we not 763 00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:35.239 gotten to the crux of this before? 764 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:37.679 But isn't that fun though to see it and being 765 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.079 a part of that, but also getting to see like 766 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.639 all the viral stuff about you know, kindness is the 767 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:48.360 new punk rock. I love that. That is ultimately the 768 00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:51.639 thesis statement of the film, and I knew. I was like, 769 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.679 I'm gonna have a you know, you have to deal 770 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.360 with your own expectations of like a giant film like that, 771 00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.440 like seeing a new Star Wars movie, you have these 772 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:03.079 insane expectations you're just yeah, exactly, and then I'm. 773 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:04.320 Not going to love it because it needs to be 774 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.000 like up here. 775 00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:09.920 Yes exactly. So for me, like for Superman, it's kind 776 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:11.519 of like that. So you have that moment of like, 777 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:14.119 I don't know what level I will love this, but 778 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.559 hearing James talk about the film and like why you know, 779 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:18.760 it's a film about love and kindness, and it was 780 00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:22.360 like like you're it's almost like you're speaking my language here. 781 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.039 And and what was so great seeing those kind of 782 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.480 viral reactions is like this is what to me, I 783 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.519 don't care how like how much Superman can punch something 784 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:38.199 or destroy something or blast somebody. That to me, that 785 00:40:38.480

--> 00:40:41.559 kindness and that that humility is what makes him special. 786 00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:44.880 So to see that kind of like audiences really latch 787 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.360 onto that and embrace it was so like as a fan, 788 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:54.800 like just on the outside, I felt so gratified and grateful, 789 00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:57.000 But for you, like getting to be a part of 790 00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:58.920 that and seeing it, like what was it like for you? 791 00:40:59.679 --> 00:40:59.840 You know? 792 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:03.599 So it's all very hush hush, show. We didn't get 793 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:05.960 some of our stuff before even the day off, and 794 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.280 a lot of the time I was like, is what 795 00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:12.480 he's telling us we're seeing what we're actually seeing. And 796 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.679 it turns out actually anytime that he just he did 797 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.400 actually tell us what we were saying. But you know, 798 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.239 you hear all these stories about the Marvel movies where 799 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:20.960 they're reacting to one thing and then they put another 800 00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.039 thing in just so that they can't spoil it. But 801 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:29.000 I didn't know anything other than our stuff. So for 802 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:31.920 me getting to watch it, the first time I ever 803 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.719 saw it was at the premiere at the Chinese Theater. 804 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.280 And had you been there before, like for a big 805 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:37.920 premiere like that? 806 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.079 Never? Never, I'd only ever been as like kind of 807 00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:47.000 a an Actrica Monday. And then so like I finally 808 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.000 was there, and so it was this weird thing where 809 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.320 I was like, I'm actually at a premiere. 810 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.760 But also for like a big like when I think 811 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.039 of Chinese Groundman, I think of Star Wars and it's 812 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.760 like Superman is doing that like in our culture. 813 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.079 I still can't fully process it actually really and so 814 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.440 like and then the movie to be that good that 815 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.599 was what I couldn't really sink in. I was like, wait, 816 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.119 wait a second, and I was thinking, is it just 817 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.280 because I'm in this or is it really this good? 818 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.760 And so I had to watch it again and then 819 00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:19.840 I was even better. It was even better than the 820 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:23.039 first time, and I was like, wow, like, look, I 821 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.360 love James's work, and so I was I was definitely 822 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.440 already expecting good things, but it far exceeded for me 823 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.840 what my expectations, which is saying something because I knew 824 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:36.199 he was going to do a great job with it, 825 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.639 but like, yeah, I'm just so proud to be a 826 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:41.480 part of it. I think it's I think it's great, 827 00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:43.880 and I I know the next one's probably going to 828 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:44.559 be just as good. 829 00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:49.559 So I'm excited. I'm excited auditioning for that film like 830 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.320 a right, you have any memories of like getting the role, 831 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.880 you and Christian and then also like just day to 832 00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:57.599 day on set, because it's like you didn't get to 833 00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.519 see David in costume, but you were working pretty directly 834 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.039 with Lex Luthor and that's pretty exciting. 835 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.800 In some this is going to sound crazy, but we 836 00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.639 didn't audition. We just got offered the role and it's 837 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.599 the first role in our in our lives we've ever 838 00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.079 been straight to offer. 839 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.840 On this movie. 840 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:21.400 You know, you passed the threshold where you're like, for now, no, 841 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:27.079 I don't. And so you know, we got a text 842 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:31.159 from We've done a TV show called Sun Records about 843 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:33.760 the birth of rock and roll. Elvis Presley, Johnny Cash, 844 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.400 my twin brother, Christian played Jerry Lee Lewis, and I 845 00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.079 played a lot of people don't know this, but they're 846 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.480 like second, first, double first. I don't know what it is. Cousins, 847 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.400 very close cousins. Probably some insets going on somewhere, but 848 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:52.199 they're very close. And his name was Jimmy Swagger, you know, 849 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:57.239 Jimmy Swaggert no no, a famous televangelist. He still has 850 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.760 the he died unfortunately, but the Jimmy Swag channel you 851 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.639 can still find on cable, like huge evangelist. And they 852 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.960 were cousins. And there was a movie called Great Balls 853 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:12.599 of Fire dena Way, remember Alec Baldwin's character. That's who 854 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.840 I played. Okay, gotcha, And they were cousins. And Jen 855 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.559 Jennifer Holland who is now married to James, played Chad 856 00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.480 Michael Murray's wife, and that's Sam Phillip's wife and that yeah, okay, 857

00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.559 got together and we'd heard that James were kind of 858 00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:28.960 a fan of our work in that and we've kind 859 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.760 of stayed in touch and have been friends ever since. 860 00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:36.840 But never ever, you know, Christian and I always make 861 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.440 sure to you know, just kind of like just kind 862 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.320 of like, even if we are fans of people that 863 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:43.360 we're friends with, it's a very separate thing. So we 864 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.360 were able to kind of just be like, yeah, James's 865 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:48.039 movies are incredible, but they're friends, you know, we but 866 00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:51.679 we never expected anything to be in any of his movies. 867 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:53.880 We were happy to just be like these, you know. 868 00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:55.840 And so we got this text from Jen being like, 869 00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:00.559 you guys, do you have visas like work? He's like, yeah, 870 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:04.159 we have green cards. We knew something was up. Would 871 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.320 you want to be like these these like roles in Superman? 872 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:11.599 They kind of like and we were like, how are 873 00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:15.000 you asking that? Like everything, whatever's on the calendar is 874 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.800 completely wiped off the table, Like what do you need? 875 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:21.440 We didn't even ask any questions. We're just like, yes, yes, yes, 876 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.880 of course. And so yeah, it was that the process 877 00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.559 was to not audition or anything. Was just wild. And 878 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.000 and then the more we found out about our characters. 879 00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:34.320 The more we were like, wow, is it even And 880 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.519 did you guys shoot in Atlanta? We did for two weeks. 881 00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:39.000 Yeah, filming there was great. 882 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.679 Uh and then what what did are your some of 883 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:47.440 your favorite memories from actually being on that set? You 884 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.199 had like a crazy screen, like an actual like yeah, 885 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:54.119 active like city there. That was. 886 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.239 That was amazing, just to not have to act to 887 00:45:56.360 --> 00:46:01.400 really look like you're in Luther Core. It's the Superman flying. 888 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.599 Seeing him for the first time was enough. And then 889 00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.360 getting him on the wires and flying in through the 890 00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:10.360 bloody window. I mean, like, that is I can't believe 891 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.360 I got to see that. And then sneaking onto the 892 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:19.400 Fortress of Solitudes, which we probably weren't supposed to do, 893 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:26.440 and we had one of the assistants and she had 894 00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:28.519 just mentioned this is where the fortress old she was. 895 00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:33.920 We were like mmmmm, She's like okay, so we just 896 00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:39.159 kind of it was like yeah, So that that again 897 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:41.960 was I think those two would be the moments where 898 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:46.239 I was like, what am I doing? How well? 899 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.599 In some people might watch this movie and you know, 900 00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.559 we're so used, we're trained, audiences are trained. It's like, oh, 901 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:52.920 it's all you know it's all cg and did it. 902 00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:56.000 But that Fortress set was like they built that you guys, 903 00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:56.840 was real. 904 00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.679 Yeah, it was all there. I mean, I'm not kidding 905 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:04.920 that those two those two memories for sure was again 906 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:08.400 like thinking about it now, I'm just like, it feels 907 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:10.760 odd to say out loud that we got to be 908 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:12.679 a part of it. It's beautiful. 909 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.440 I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'm not even gonna look 910 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:17.239 at you because I don't want you to feel guilty, 911 00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.159 but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you guys get 912 00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:21.079 to be in Man of Tomorrow. Not looking at you. 913 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:24.639 So I don't know anything, but just putting that out 914 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:26.599 there into the universe. All right, I'm gonna spin the 915 00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:28.639 wheel again. I told you this is gonna be we have. 916 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.280 It's forty seven minutes talking about Superman. 917 00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:34.079 So I know I love that, love what it deserves. 918 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.519 This is all right. Blue Moon's next. Do you want 919 00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.679 to hear my my link Later story? Real quick? 920 00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:41.440 Please? 921 00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:44.320 All right? So here is how I became a fan 922 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:48.320 of Richard Linklater. I there was a foreign exchange student 923 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:52.920 from Austria who came to my high school the year 924 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.880 after I graduated. We never had exchange students at my 925 00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:58.000 high school when I was there. They didn't do anything 926 00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.360 that cool while I was there, but I did developed 927 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.119 a crush on this girl and became friends with like 928 00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:07.159 these Austrian students and decided My best friend and I 929

00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.599 decided we were going to go to Austria. And I 930 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:11.159 was like, we're gonna go, We're gonna hang out, and 931 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.800 I'll find this girl and profess my love to her. 932 00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:16.800 And I was explaining this to another friend who was like, 933 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.639 that sounds like the plot of Before Sunrise. And I 934 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.159 was like, what's Before Sunrise? I don't know what this is. 935 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:24.880 And he was telling me about it, and I was 936 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.480 like very skeptical, like typing rotten tomatoes and you know, like, 937 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.880 all right, before oh one hundred percent a run to 938 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.960 oh okay, I should probably see this. And this is 939 00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.960 two thousand and seven. So before Sunrise and Sunset were out, 940 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.960 I went to the morning of my flight, I went 941 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:45.800 to best Buy, which dates that this will also date me, 942 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:49.719 which was selling movies at the time, selling DVDs. I 943 00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.760 bought a portable DVD player, and I bought Before Sunset 944 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:56.920 and Before Sunrise off the shelf, not having seen any 945 00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:02.239 of them and literally flew to Austria that afternoon and 946 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:05.559 watched them both on the plane back to Bed for 947 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.559 the first time, and it was like I knew I'd 948 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:12.280 experienced something powerful. And my friend was behind me, and 949 00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:14.199 after I was done with Before Sunrise, I was like, here, 950 00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:15.639 do you want to watch it on your computer? And 951 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:17.719 then I you know, we watched Before Sunset later that 952 00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:19.960 night in the hotel that was I watched it twice 953 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.159 in twenty four hours. But then I got to go 954 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.920 to Vienna like right after, and it was like, this 955 00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.559 is incredible. And then at a certain point in my 956 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:33.159 life I realized I was like these films, these might 957 00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:35.840 be my favorite films I think creatively, as far as 958 00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:38.519 the stuff I wanted to write and make myself. I 959 00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:43.000 was like that I connected with that so strongly. And 960 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.159 then before midnight, of course, I was like this is 961 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:48.960 amazing as and then you know, for talking about Superman 962 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:51.320 and great stuff about Superman, knowing there was a ten 963 00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:55.159 fifteen minute dialogue sequence where the two of them argue 964 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:58.320 as a link. Later fan I was like, hey, I'm 965 00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:00.840 here for it. That's like that sounds let's do it. 966 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.639 But that's how I became a fan of it and 967 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.480 eventually went back and went through all of its work. 968 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.320 Enough rambling on my part. This new film Blue Moon, 969 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:13.199 which is phenomenal, one of my favorite films of twenty 970 00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.280 twenty five. Tell me how you got involved in that? Like, 971 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.719 you have a pretty significant role in that too, which 972 00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:19.400 is crazy. 973 00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:24.679 I was filming a movie. It's like a Hulu Wien 974 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:30.119 movie called Carved, and it's this hilarious, kind of silly 975 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:35.199 movie about this pumpkin who becomes sentient and sees all 976 00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.639 of its brethren being carved at Halloween. It starts carving everyone. 977 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:43.079 Silly but really fun. And I play ridiculous character in that. 978 00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.199 And I was kind of tired and it's doing a 979 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.119 lot of night shoots and I got this audition through 980 00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.800 and I was half asleep, and so I just read 981 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:53.079 it and I was like, they need me to play piano. 982 00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:54.679 My brother's more of a piano player than I am. 983 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:56.840 I do play, he's fantastic. I play more guitar, and 984 00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:00.280 I was like, okay. So I was just like spoke 985 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:01.119 to my agent and I was like, I don't know 986 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:03.440 if I have time like this is and he was like, 987 00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:05.159 did you read the email properly, and I was like 988 00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:08.679 this it's Richard link letter and I was like, oh, okay, 989 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:12.559 no it yeah, So I didn't read it fully when 990 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.159 I woke up, and I was like, do I have 991 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:15.800 time to do this? There's no piano. He's don't forget 992 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:18.199 about the piano, just do the scene now. So then 993 00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:22.800 the scene was It's funny. Actually we talked about listening 994 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:28.079 and how much I've really admired David corn Sweat's listening 995 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.559 in his audition. So the scene that they had chosen 996 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.719 for the audition was not my biggest dialogue scene at 997 00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:35.840 all in the movie. It was like I'm Morty Riffkin 998 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.199 blah blah blah. It's mostly listening. Obviously we're all mostly 999 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:44.159

listening to Etho. But I had and it was basically 1000 00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.239 that line. And then there was one other line about 1001 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.440 being an inspiring composer, and so I was like, okay, 1002 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.079 maybe this is his only scene in the movie, and 1003 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:52.800 I was like, maybe kind of does this, but I 1004 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:54.199 was like, this is link latter. Of course I'm going 1005 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.119 to do this and do it my best, and so 1006 00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:58.679 I just thought, don't overthink it, dude, don't put any 1007 00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:01.679 pressure on it. Just listen, just listen and be you know, 1008 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.840 and just be present. I filmed it. My girlfriend was 1009 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.079 luckily with me. She'd been visiting me on set in Kentucky, 1010 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.599 and we had set up the tripod on the bed 1011 00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:12.719 and there was like no lighting. I just kind of 1012 00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:14.119 had to I was very busy, so I had to 1013 00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:15.719 throw it in at night, and so it was this 1014 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:18.039 dimly lit kind of audition where I just kind of 1015 00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:21.000 listened and said to my two lines, and listened to 1016 00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.280 Nicole ramble Ethan's dialogue and I thought, I'm not going 1017 00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:25.800 to hear back from that because I couldn't even send 1018 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:31.000 the piano. And then they said, we really liked the division, 1019 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.480 we'd love to hear some piano. And when I got 1020 00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.480 back home to La, I didn't have long before going 1021 00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:40.599 to do Superman. So I threw down a Billy Joel 1022 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:41.639 song that because I. 1023 00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:46.559 Already knew it, it was River of Dreams Please, it 1024 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:48.079 was no no, it was. 1025 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:56.679 The lullaby good Night manage now It's Time to Sleep, 1026 00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:59.639 but just a piano version. And because I knew it, 1027 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:01.320 and I well, i'd need to do something I know, 1028 00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:05.519 did it didn't think I was like I didn't I 1029 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.199 didn't have time to learn any Rogers and Heart, so 1030 00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.360 it probably won't hear anything. And then like that's great. 1031 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:12.119 We really liked it. And I was like, okay, it 1032 00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:14.840 was like learn and he learned from Rogers and Heart 1033 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.280 and I was like God. And I was on the 1034 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:20.039 set then of Superman. I was like, again, I don't 1035 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:24.800 have a janet God, so I could hear people like 1036 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.000 I could like people were talking and I was just 1037 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:28.440 talking to Christians, like what am I going to do? 1038 00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:33.320 And luckily her name's Tasha. She was another one of 1039 00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.639 the Luther Court people. She said, I have a friend 1040 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:37.360 who could probably I know people in the area, and 1041 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.400 I was like, that'd be amazing. They saw ud a 1042 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:42.519 keyboard for me. I drove into Atlanta picked up a keyboard. 1043 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.079 This woman I didn't know, but I was like, thank 1044 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.880 you so much, got the keyboard and learn. I did 1045 00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:50.159 just by because I learned by year. I don't read music, 1046 00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:53.079 so I just amazing. I learned these three I did, 1047 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:58.960 like Manhattan into I can't remember. I definitely obviously did 1048 00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:00.519 Blue Moon. I think I did a little bit of 1049 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:03.880 my funny Valentine. There was a witch bothered and bewildered. 1050 00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:05.199 I did too, and I did a little medley all 1051 00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:06.559 and I put them all in the same key and 1052 00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:08.800 arranged them and just kind of did it. I spent 1053 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.360 all day as much as I could just doing that. 1054 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:14.039 I probably did twenty takes and I was like, okay, 1055 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:18.599 this is the take, sent it off. And then by 1056 00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:20.639 this point I'm thinking because they'd gone, I was like, 1057 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.119 they must like me if they'd asked me to send 1058 00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:25.320 me this thing. And then they were like, you're going 1059 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:29.360 to do a zoom with Richard Lincoln is are very nervous, 1060 00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:33.760 And they'd sent one other scene and it was like 1061 00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:36.079 to audition with. They didn't send me the whole script, 1062 00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.639 but it was more than just the listening. 1063 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.719 So I was like, okay, this is it the bathroom scene. 1064 00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.679 It was that or the Bradley Beach. I'm talking like 1065 00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:45.840 at the bar. So it was one of those my 1066 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.199 memory doesn't serve me well, but it was nerve racking. 1067 00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:51.039 But I remember thinking, oh, he's in the movie more 1068 00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:52.719 than this one scene, so this is a bigger character 1069 00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:55.679 than I thought. This is really cool. Richard pops up 1070 00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:57.400 and I'm just kind of like trying to be corn. 1071

00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:00.400 He was a fan of the Beatles, so we had 1072 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:05.039 we could talk about the Lennon movie well Brian Epstein 1073 00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:07.280 movie Minds, and so that was really good. That was 1074 00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.239 breaking the ice. I didn't know, and Ethan was gonna 1075 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:12.119 be in the movie, and so then he says, we're sorry, 1076 00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:15.800 We're just gonna wait for Ethan. And I obviously know 1077 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:19.920 of their collaboration, but for some reason, my brain maybe 1078 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:21.880 to not let me be too. I was like, Ethan 1079 00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:25.800 must be the name of some reader or script. It's 1080 00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:27.519 not gonna be Ethan Hawk. It's not gonna be Ethan Hawk. 1081 00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:31.119 It's not gonna be Ethan pops up. Was not prepared. 1082 00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:34.079 No one told me. And as a young actor, I'm 1083 00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.519 just like, hi, hello, and he's like and. 1084 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:41.800 They talked then either and then Ethan and like Ethan's 1085 00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:46.280 like Ricky, I was just reading in Remembrance of Last Time, 1086 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:50.760 and I was by I was by volume one Swan's way, 1087 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:54.320 you know, the character, like I would just literally be 1088 00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:56.360 like uh huh, keep like please. 1089 00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:58.639 Well, what actually happened was so nice. And maybe they 1090 00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.239 did it because they knew it was an audish or 1091 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.079 maybe it was genuine. I don't know, but they just 1092 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:04.800 both complimented me on my audition and were just like, 1093 00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.199 we really liked what you were doing and actually complimented 1094 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:08.679 my listening blah blah blah, and it was just like 1095 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:10.880 and then they also said your accent is great. I 1096 00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:14.000 can hear you're not from you know, America, like did 1097 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.639 you And I was like, yeah, obviously, I just did 1098 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:19.239 the accent for the audition and they were impressed by that. 1099 00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:21.199 And then I did the audition. But there's a whole 1100 00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.039 other story with the audition where I didn't have the 1101 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.039 same sides as Ethan. Ethan had an up to date 1102 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:30.119 version where I had more to say, and I had 1103 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.559 an older version of the script. So you can imagine 1104 00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:35.480 my terror when Ethan starts saying lines that aren't on 1105 00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:36.000 my page. 1106 00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:36.800 Oh my god. 1107 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:41.039 So I'm just like Ethan stopped and Richard was like, 1108 00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:42.880 do you have the right And I was like, I 1109 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:44.760 have different stuff, but I can improvise, you know, And 1110 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:45.920 I was like I can do it. 1111 00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:47.239 I can do it. 1112 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.320 No, it's fine. And then in the end they were 1113 00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:51.960 just super casual. I was like, we just wanted to 1114 00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:55.360 chat to you anyway, and I thought I did think 1115 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:57.079 for a second, bomb Dad didn't. 1116 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:00.280 And then I got the call so amazing and then 1117 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:02.599 shooting it like that whole. I mean, there's so much 1118 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:05.079 and link later in general, obviously, so many of his 1119 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.719 films are so dialogue heavy and so dialogue reliant, and 1120 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:11.840 I've always you talk about listening. I mean, i've the 1121 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.280 energy and just speaking, I think, particularly the Before trilogy, 1122 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:18.880 just the energy Ethan and Julie Delpy have to bring 1123 00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:23.000 to their scenes where they are actively involved in this 1124 00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:25.880 conversation and engage in having that like all these little 1125 00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.360 ticks and stuff, as I understand it, Like, I think 1126 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.159 people take for granted the fact that they're like, oh, 1127 00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:33.280 that must have been improvised. It feels so natural, and 1128 00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.800 it's like, No, that was very very scripted and rewritten 1129 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:37.840 and rehearsed. 1130 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:40.079 But that's what I Yeah, I would say it's at 1131 00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:41.760 least off for Blue Moon. I don't I don't know 1132 00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.360 the ins and outs on how before Sunrise whether there 1133 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:48.400 was any improv, but at least for us, no, no improv. Really, 1134 00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.760 I mean, I'm someone that likes improv, but I also 1135 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.840 obviously will kind of And I think what was nice 1136 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:59.199 is is that it was so well written and also 1137 00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:00.920 we're in a different time. I were in the forties, 1138 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:02.639 so like, if I'm going to improvise, it wouldn't be 1139 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:07.079 as easy for me to have like things is like, 1140 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.519 so I I had no need to improvise with the 1141 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:14.639 Robert Kaplau, the writer, just it was like Shakespeare for us. 1142 00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:16.440 I think we just well I was going to ask 1143

00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:19.079 that too, because I think before, like with the Before trilogy, 1144 00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.239 they have more leeway creatively to be like, ah, we 1145 00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:22.760 wrote it, so we can do whatever we want. But 1146 00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.159 something like this where it is like uh and he's 1147 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:26.119 a playwrate isn't he? 1148 00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:29.159 Like yes, So Robert was. Robert was there so if 1149 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.239 there was any kind of like I could ask, hey, 1150 00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:34.920 this the rhythm on this line or like do I 1151 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.039 have the can I throw in a you know this 1152 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.360 or that? And that was amazing. He was He was 1153 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:40.119 very present. 1154 00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:43.159 But you had to be very present. You're like on 1155 00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:46.559 the piano and so much of this film and I 1156 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:47.880 had a lot of piano. 1157 00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:50.320 To learn as well. I remember, yes it does. It 1158 00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:53.239 doesn't say so necessarily in the credits, but half of 1159 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.239 the piano is me and I had to do that live, 1160 00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:01.599 so you can't play live over dialogue. But so what 1161 00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:03.800 I would do is I'd play live sometimes for the 1162 00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:07.559 wides so that Ethan and Bobby and everyone could feel 1163 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.119 the vibe of what we're He was helpful for the 1164 00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:12.639 actors and everyone kind of to know the rhythm of 1165 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:13.039 the scene. 1166 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.119 But then how the fund is that? Like how crazy 1167 00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:16.760 to be like, oh yeah, let me just set the 1168 00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:18.719 scene while you guys do this. Incredible. 1169 00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:20.840 I loved it. I loved it. And what was amazing 1170 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:25.400 is Richard is so collaborative. At first, it was very 1171 00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:28.079 daunting because I don't know if he kind of because 1172 00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.519 I told him on my audition, I don't read music, 1173 00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:34.000 but I do learn by ear. But that being the case, 1174 00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.960 I have to rely on memory. People who can read, 1175 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.519 you could give them a big book and just like 1176 00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:42.159 they could play. But for me, I have to remember everything. 1177 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:45.320 So I got sent this list of one hundred songs, 1178 00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:47.559 and at first I was daunted, and I told Richard 1179 00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:49.960 and I was like, I can't learn all of these. 1180 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:51.920 And I think there was a miscommunication because he was 1181 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.760 like not expecting me to learn all of them. He 1182 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:55.840 was giving me the permission to pick what I liked. 1183 00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.320 And I had never been given, ever, been given that 1184 00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:03.079 kind of of freedom before, So at first I think. 1185 01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:04.360 He was like, wait, can he do this? And I 1186 01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.000 was like, thinking, he wants me to learn one hundred sons? 1187 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:08.519 And then when we talked about it, it was eventually 1188 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.320 he was like, no, it's okay. You just pick what 1189 01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.719 you like and then the rights will come later. And 1190 01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:15.840 I was like, oh course, so I got to pick. Well, 1191 01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:18.519 I think, you know what I do would be really 1192 01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:20.639 nice for the section, and I think, and it was like, 1193 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:21.679 what's going on? 1194 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:22.880 This is awesome? 1195 01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:25.079 And then I did twenty minutes at the end, the 1196 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:28.480 very end of the whole movie. It's funny I filmed 1197 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:30.920 the very very start of the whole movie was the 1198 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.400 bathroom scene. That's the first shot of the whole movie. 1199 01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:38.320 The very last shot was twenty minutes for me to 1200 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.840 just play piano so that they could have the raw 1201 01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:43.360 piano versions so that they could put it to different scenes. 1202 01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.320 And I was thinking, I told Richard Archfurz that you 1203 01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:48.920 should also get a pianist to do other bits, you know, 1204 01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.679 in post, rather than paying me just because it would 1205 01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:55.000 be quicker. But and the guy who did it was incredible, incredible. 1206 01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.000 But I can hear when it's me, and I was 1207 01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:01.159 so happy to hear that emotional climax where he's spoiler 1208 01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:04.079 alert if you have not watched the movie, skip ahead, 1209 01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:10.079 but where he's kind of Margaret Cowley's character Elizabeth. Elizabeth 1210 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:13.159 is being introduced to Rogers in this kind of a 1211 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.440 spark between them, and he's inviting her to his party, 1212 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.280 and it's so sad that's all three of my arrangements 1213 01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:20.239 are played all at once up until that what will 1214 01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:21.679 I do in the end? And I was just like 1215 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:25.599 so honored that Richard had chose my arrangements to score 1216

01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:26.880 that emotional climax. 1217 01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:29.519 It's so good, and. 1218 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:32.239 So I was very honored that my piano made it 1219 01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:35.440 in at all. But yeah, and I just played it 1220 01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.519 live on the day, but it was I went off 1221 01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:41.280 in a tangent. But basically I was saying Richard gave 1222 01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:44.519 us He's such a great director to work with, because 1223 01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:46.760 he really was kind of like wanted to make sure 1224 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:50.039 that you felt that you were coming from a truthful place, 1225 01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:53.639 and like any direction he gave was so respectful. And 1226 01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:56.119 I don't know, do you think maybe he's feeling this. 1227 01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:59.079 It wasn't like do this, It was like very respectful 1228 01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:02.199 to make sure that you would you could feel that organically. 1229 01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:04.360 You know, I love that so much, and I like, 1230 01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:06.360 I got that vibe from him, and you know, you 1231 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.320 hear secondhand and see a little bit of stuff like 1232 01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:12.480 behind the scenes things and documentaries on the films, but 1233 01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.719 like hearing about it firsthand, I'm like, ah, that's it's 1234 01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:18.119 so so cool. I'm so glad you got to experience that. 1235 01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:22.840 But I wanted to ask about the bathroom scene because 1236 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:24.800 it is kind of your big scene in the movie. Yes, 1237 01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:27.000 and you talk about being a Richard Linklater fan, talk 1238 01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.480 about being an Ethan Hawk fan, and in that scene, 1239 01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:33.119 you're like, I mean, somewhere in the back of my mind, 1240 01:02:33.159 --> 01:02:35.239 if I was there, it would be like I'm in 1241 01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:40.559 a Richard link Later movie doing an intense emotional dialogue 1242 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:44.840 scene with Ethan Hawk. But Ethan's character, who is typically 1243 01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.719 in a link Later film so like confident, suave and 1244 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:53.559 like is you know, heart, is not that in this film. 1245 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:59.079 He is. He is at his emotional end. Basically, he's 1246 01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:02.079 or not an emotional and he's at the quote unquote 1247 01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.440 end of his career. He recognizes the fame slipping from 1248 01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:08.440 his fingers. Yeah, the love of his life may or 1249 01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:11.639 may not like the person who will save him and 1250 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:15.159 pull him out of this is maybe not responsive to 1251 01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:20.199 his feelings

in that scene, you have all the power. 1252 01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:23.360 How was that like to be able to like to 1253 01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:27.360 be because you know that in the exchange is essentially 1254 01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:30.280 you're there saying like, hey, so have you talked to 1255 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:31.360 Rogers about me? 1256 01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:35.280 I was so pleasantly surprised an act to You're only 1257 01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:37.320 as good as the opportunities you're given, right, And so 1258 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:38.880 I would have been happy to just be in there 1259 01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:40.800 and listen and be on the piano and give a 1260 01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:44.719 little reaction, which is that I'm still very You know, 1261 01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:47.440 Ethan was amazing. He would throw so much of the 1262 01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:49.519 scenes to me, which he didn't have to do, but 1263 01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:53.320 a lot of the movie became about him throwing it 1264 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:55.000 to Bobby and him throwing it to me, And it 1265 01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:56.840 was like this tree of kind of the people that 1266 01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.639 were there that was his home base, which was so lovely. 1267 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.000 I can't believe. I still pinch myself that I'm in 1268 01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:04.880 that in the movie so much and so present, but 1269 01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:07.320 also such a masterclass to watch Ethan act. But I'm 1270 01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:10.519 going to preface what your question by saying it was 1271 01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:12.679 made a little easier on me as a young actor 1272 01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:15.360 who could have been incredibly nervous during that scene. By 1273 01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.599 how amazing Ethan and Richard Werber in a number of ways. Ethan, 1274 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.119 when I first met him, he looked like Ethan Hawk. 1275 01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:24.320 You know, he had the hair and he had the bit, 1276 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:26.119 and he was the blue eyes, and you're just like, 1277 01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:30.360 Hawk is right there. Shook my hand and I was like, 1278 01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:33.559 But then the second day he had gone through hair 1279 01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.400 and makeup, he had the brown contacts in, he had 1280 01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:39.679 the hair, and it was a different guy. And he 1281 01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.760 shrunk himself. Even though he was still towering over me, 1282 01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:48.719 his demeanor already changed, and I felt more like I 1283 01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:52.639 had done a movie. Not that Ethan's not necessary. I'm 1284 01:04:52.639 --> 01:04:54.719 not going to say suggest that he's method, but what 1285 01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:58.840 I will say is that maybe this is just Ethan. 1286 01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:01.880 Maybe it's a little bit of heart coming through. But 1287 01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:05.360 for whatever reason, I felt no intimidation around Ethan. I 1288 01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:11.840 felt so supported and he was so not only complimentary, 1289 01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:14.280 which again I don't know how much was genuine and 1290 01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:17.199 how much was just to make me feel, like, just 1291 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:18.559 make me feel but. 1292 01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:21.679 He was so it's all genuine, it's all real amazing, 1293 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:22.400 let's just go with it. 1294 01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:26.880 Just feels like he knows that I must idolize him 1295 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:28.800 and what a big moment this is for me. But 1296 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:30.239 he'd come and sit down on the piano and I'd 1297 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.960 be playing beatles and he coming. So we just it. 1298 01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:37.360 Even before that first scene, I'd felt comfortable with Ethan, 1299 01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:39.960 and he just created this space to where I felt 1300 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:44.840 like we were collaborators right, So amazing because I could 1301 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:47.719 have been bricking it, but the other part of me was, 1302 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:51.119 which was definitely still bricking it. Knew that I had 1303 01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:54.320 to get out of my own head. As actors, I'd 1304 01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:56.880 done a movie. I've been very lucky to work with 1305 01:05:56.920 --> 01:05:58.840 some amazing people. I did a movie called Phantom of 1306 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:03.559 the Open with Mark Rylance and Sally Hawkins, and I 1307 01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:06.559 had some intimate moments with them, and I asked them. 1308 01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:08.239 I'd say I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you 1309 01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:10.440 some acting advice. And they said, Okay, get out of 1310 01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:12.920 your own way. You've done all of the work. I 1311 01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:14.960 don't care how big you think the scene is, whether 1312 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:16.599 this is your big moment or this is the thing, 1313 01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:18.599 get out of your own way in whatever way you can. 1314 01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:20.280 So I knew that this was my big moment, and 1315 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:22.960 it just so happened that we were filming it not 1316 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:24.960 only my first scene, but the first scene of the 1317 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:28.119 whole movie. So the crew is the first scene, Richard's 1318 01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:30.079 first scene. Even the first scene, I'm like, damn, this 1319 01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:34.360 is good. So I just knew I had to get 1320 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:37.440 out of my head and I, as an actor, you've 1321 01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:38.760 got to think, well, how do you do it? So 1322 01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:41.559 for my character, I thought music, right, music is my 1323 01:06:41.960

--> 01:06:46.599 character's anchor. So I was humming, and so I was 1324 01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:53.280 just like, you know, as they're setting up for takes 1325 01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:56.119 right up until action, and then I thought, actually, I'm 1326 01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:57.679 just going to keep humming as I'm coming at the 1327 01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.880 stall and coming and to the point where Ethan even 1328 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:02.679 came up to me in between after the first or 1329 01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:05.760 second takers like you seem super relaxed. You know, I'm nervous. 1330 01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:09.079 He's like, you seem super relaxed. And I was like, oh, 1331 01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:11.400 thank you, that's by design. I'm just getting out of 1332 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:12.760 my own head. And he was like, okay, I can't 1333 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:14.360 get that. It's great. And then it was to the 1334 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.480 point where it was his lovely moments was happening where 1335 01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:19.199 Richard and Ethan would start humming with me before the takes. 1336 01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:21.880 And Richard and we were all just kind of and 1337 01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:24.599 it was a really grounding anchor for me and I 1338 01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:27.480 think other people. It settled other people too, because it 1339 01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.880 was not everyone's nervous. You know, of course, as a 1340 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:35.559 young actor and so easy to think, oh god, everyone's 1341 01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:37.920 looking at me, and you know everyone else's pros and 1342 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:39.400 you know, even though I've been doing it as long 1343 01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:40.800 as I have been, since i was eight years old, 1344 01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.159 I'm just thinking. But the reality is Richard's feeling that way, 1345 01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.840 feel that we're all feeling that way. And so to 1346 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:51.119 answer your question, I handled it as best I could. 1347 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:53.639 I was still there were still nerves there, but the 1348 01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:56.400 humming to myself helped, and I tried to anchor myself 1349 01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:57.840 in the scene and in the scene, like you said, 1350 01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:03.960 my character has the power. Really, he's stuck in this 1351 01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:08.400 awkward position where he this is someone let's remember, he 1352 01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:10.480 also looks up to even though he's not the musician, 1353 01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:14.000 he's the lyricist and this is a huge famous person. 1354 01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.439 And I'm a younger person, so especially in the forties 1355 01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:20.880 as well, that would have meant something as well. So 1356 01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:24.159 I think there was this weird thing where I just 1357 01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:27.800 wanted to respect as my character Morty. I really wanted 1358 01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.880 to respect him. So that's why I really wanted to 1359 01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.159 leave the second i'd washed my hands. But this guy's 1360 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:34.960 talking to me while he's taken a pee, and he's 1361 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.560 just kind of like he's divulging. He's not stopped, and 1362 01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:40.039 I was really just trying to find the moment to 1363 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:42.399 leave and also remind him that you'd promise me to 1364 01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:45.279 introduce me to Rogers. They were my two intentions, you know. 1365 01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:49.920 But yeah, no, like like you said, that was long 1366 01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:51.720 story short, hawd ad ideal with that, I just tried 1367 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:54.319 to get out of my own head because the same 1368 01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:56.680 with the Beatles movie. If I if I had allowed 1369 01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:58.800 myself to think of the gravity of what I was doing, 1370 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.279 then I would have completely tanked every scene. So I 1371 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:05.319 had to forget that I was with link Letter and 1372 01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:08.720 Hawk and just kind of dive into them into the scene. 1373 01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:11.920 Now did you guys, did you and Ethan have some 1374 01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:16.960 Beatles geeking out? We did conversations, I would hope, So 1375 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:20.439 you've seen I imagine you saw. Of course, boy his 1376 01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:25.399 little monologue in Boyhood is fantastic, and he did a 1377 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:28.640 version of that, an even better version. But I don't 1378 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:33.319 watch the show or the podcast, but the train conversations. 1379 01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:35.359 I saw the train conversation. It was amazing. 1380 01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:35.760 You know. 1381 01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:39.399 I was unaware until I'd met Ethan that he was 1382 01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:41.000 a fan of the Beatles. So what was nice is 1383 01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:42.600 it came up in passing. They were saying, you know, 1384 01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:44.319 one of the first hus is what we've done and 1385 01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.279 blah blah blah. And I'd mentioned it and I saw 1386 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:49.720 Eathan's face and I was like, oh, he's a he's 1387 01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:52.319 a Beatles fan. So we didn't dive into it then. 1388 01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:54.920 But as we kind of became more friendly on set 1389 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.279 and we had more days, we slowly started to let 1390 01:09:57.319 --> 01:09:59.640 ourselves geek out and talk about the Beatles and kind 1391 01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:02.800 of like I would play some staff and he would 1392 01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:05.000 come and play the piano with me and we'd talk. 1393

01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:09.279 And we didn't fully though, because he was so busy, 1394 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:13.279 you know, he had how much he had to memorize 1395 01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:16.800 on that set. But any time that we had in 1396 01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:19.760 between sets we would let ourselves talk a little bit. 1397 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:23.800 We didn't. I think had we spent a day or 1398 01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:26.359 two after we'd wrapped, it's probably all we would have 1399 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:28.840 talked about, really, just don't it. But we never really 1400 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:30.840 had the time to fully go there, but we did 1401 01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:34.319 allow ourselves a little moments to Beatles out, which. 1402 01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:36.119 Was nice, and Richard too. 1403 01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:38.119 And Richard too, we got to I got to speak 1404 01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:40.000 with him about the Beatles as well, so that was great. 1405 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:46.159 I got the sense that Ethan, especially, I got the 1406 01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:49.960 sense that had we had, you know, he had so 1407 01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:51.600 much work to do on that movie. And we just 1408 01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:53.199 found out by the way that Blue Moon's going to 1409 01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:56.399 the Golden Globes for Best Picture, which is incredible, and 1410 01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.840 and Ethan was just nominated for Best Actors. So I'm 1411 01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:03.239 so happy about that. I'm going to celebrate tonight about 1412 01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:05.239 that because that's just an awesome piece of news. But 1413 01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:08.359 he was also working so hard in that movie, so 1414 01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.199 little moments he'd let himself kind of you know, so nice. 1415 01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:13.479 He comes sit down on the piano and we talk, 1416 01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:15.960 but I could feel him holding back. And I'm thinking, 1417 01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:20.000 had if you and me and probably Richard too, were 1418 01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:22.119 in a room and had time to talk about the Beatles, 1419 01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:24.600 he could just go and go and go. I could 1420 01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:28.439 just tell so. But yeah, we didn't really get to 1421 01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.000 scratch the surface, just little moments here and there in 1422 01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:31.640 between takes. 1423 01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:34.199 Stuff like that do you agree with him that there 1424 01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:37.880 is no such thing as someone's favorite Beatle, you know, 1425 01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:39.720 I kind. 1426 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:44.279 Of do, and not in a very conscious like I 1427 01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:46.199 stand on this, but it's all the nice. It was 1428 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:48.560 more just like when I heard him say it, I'm like, ah, 1429 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:51.159 I think I do

relate to that, because I have 1430 01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:56.199 always love John Lennon, But then you know Paul McCartney, 1431 01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:58.840 and then George Harrison and Ringo. There's all these different things, 1432 01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:05.600 and I've never personally, I only realized after hearing him speak. 1433 01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:09.000 I've never actually sat and thought, okay, can I really differentiate? 1434 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:10.600 And then after hearing him speak, I'm like, no, he's 1435 01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:12.439 actually kind of spot on about that. What do you 1436 01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:14.560 think about it? Do you think that? Do you agree 1437 01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:14.840 with him? 1438 01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:18.760 I agree completely. I think the battle of who's the 1439 01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:21.479 best Beatle is is the wrong way to look at that. 1440 01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.319 It was the Beatles. It wasn't John and the Beatles, 1441 01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:28.039 It wasn't you know, Paul McCartney, And it was the Beatles, 1442 01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:31.960 and each one of them contributed something so essential and 1443 01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:35.960 you hear it separately, like you you feel the absence 1444 01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:37.840 when you listen to their solo work, which is not 1445 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:39.199 to put down their solo work. 1446 01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:40.199 No, it's just different. 1447 01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:44.960 Yeah, it's different. But like it was that that perfect 1448 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:48.439 storm of they were all in the right place at 1449 01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:51.199 the right time. They were the right people for each 1450 01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:54.359 other to inspire and lift one another up, and they 1451 01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:57.720 needed each other for that period in time. And it 1452 01:12:57.920 --> 01:12:59.840 just to me, it's like you can, like, it's not 1453 01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:03.439 it's not to discourage anyone from having that argument. It's 1454 01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:05.840 an argument to have, but I think at the end 1455 01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:08.279 of the day, if you were like forcefully trying to 1456 01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:11.800 be like John was clearly more talented than George or 1457 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:15.680 Paul was clearly the most talented, that's missing the point. 1458 01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.479 It's an odd thing as humans that we do, isn't it. 1459 01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:23.439 I mean, I know, being an identical twin, it's it's 1460 01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:29.359 an odd instinct that many people have unconsciously who's the 1461 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:31.720 best at this? Oh, who's good at that? 1462 01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:32.079 You know? 1463 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:36.359 And and it's like hmmm. As an identical twin, I've 1464 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:39.840 been so exposed to that kind of questioning and way 1465 01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:43.640 of thinking, and it's always rubbed me a little bit wrong, 1466 01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:46.159 Like why do we instantly jump to that kind of 1467 01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:52.760 competition and comparison, Because especially when it comes to something 1468 01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:56.119 like the beatles and songwriting, well are the real measurements, 1469 01:13:56.239 --> 01:14:00.039 Like it's so intangible. Music itself is so and the 1470 01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:03.680 kind of genius that they had it goes beyond any scale, 1471 01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:05.239 Like how are you going to do that? How are 1472 01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:06.640 you going to go, oh, well this if you add 1473 01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:09.439 up this, so you can't it's just like you just 1474 01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:10.000 can't do it. 1475 01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.319 You shouldn't. It's it's it is a you're putting your 1476 01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:15.479 energy in the wrong place if that's the ardre you're 1477 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:15.960 trying to have. 1478 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:19.640 So I love, I love I just I love Yeah, 1479 01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:20.600 I like that one take. 1480 01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:23.680 Yeah, And I love I mean, I love Ethan's dedication 1481 01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:25.479 to that thesis because I think. 1482 01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:27.239 He's such a great orator, he's such a great artist. 1483 01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:29.399 I love I could listen to Ethan's speak all day, 1484 01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:31.039 which is why Blue Moon is so great because it's 1485 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:32.279 basically just Ethan speaking. 1486 01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:34.840 But it's just he's so good. Yeah, But you guys like, 1487 01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:37.439 I mean, that's what that's what's we talked about it 1488 01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:39.520 a little bit, But I think that's what's so special 1489 01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:43.760 about Richard Linklater's films. But also it's a kudos to 1490 01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:46.199 his talents and a kudos to your talents and everyone 1491 01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:48.319 who supports him in that film, because, like you said, 1492 01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:52.159 it's about the listening and that is I I am 1493 01:14:52.279 --> 01:14:55.880 so impressed by the actors who can pull that off. 1494 01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:58.359 So he made it easy. He made Yeah, Ethan made 1495 01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:00.640 it easy. It was it was like every take it 1496 01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:04.680 was never got tired of listening to that character speak. 1497 01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:07.520 And now, I mean we're already talking about the Beatles. 1498 01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:10.399 Let's move right in. This is our final final film 1499 01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:15.319 to discuss. Yes is Midas Man? Were you yourself? Portrayed 1500 01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:18.600 John Lennon? And we've started every one of these topics 1501

01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:23.159 talking about how we first discovered Superman, how we discovered 1502 01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:26.920 Richard linklater, When did you discover the Beatles? How did 1503 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:28.359 you discover them? I want to hear the story. 1504 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:30.600 I'm so glad you asked this question because I actually 1505 01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:35.439 have a very vivid memory of it. We had a 1506 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:38.880 beautiful baby, grand piano in our home. Drew up in 1507 01:15:38.920 --> 01:15:42.600 a very musical family, which I'm so happy that I did. 1508 01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:45.079 You know, like sometimes you have regrets as a kid. 1509 01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:46.359 It's like, oh, I wish my parents had made me 1510 01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:48.159 learn a language or something, but I was like the 1511 01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:50.720 fact that I was there was music all around. I'm 1512 01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:53.359 just so grateful for that because it is just I 1513 01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:54.880 feel like that's why it's kind of a part of 1514 01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:57.960 my body, and just having that piano there, even from 1515 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:01.520 the ages of like four or five, playing on the piano, 1516 01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:05.239 picking up instruments, just trying stuff out. And one of 1517 01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:08.399 the first sequences I remember learning on the piano my 1518 01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:11.319 dad teaching me was let it Be. It's a fun 1519 01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:16.079 song to learn. It's good for when you're learning to 1520 01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:19.880 play the piano because it's it's teaching you tryads and 1521 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:21.239 it's teaching you good movement. 1522 01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:24.840 There's a tell me more about like triads, and I 1523 01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:25.800 know literally nothing. 1524 01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:29.000 So basically, chords are simple. Chords are made up of 1525 01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:32.000 triads three notes. It's the first, the third, and the fifth, 1526 01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:36.760 and you can learn, okay, so if you just take 1527 01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:43.479 that major chord, see and then you take the third 1528 01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:46.319 down one semi tone, and now that's just a minor triad. 1529 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:48.399 So you're learning all these things. But what was good 1530 01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:50.279 about Let It Be is that you've got the bass 1531 01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:52.279 note in one hand, you're the triads in the other, 1532 01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:55.640 and it's doing this ascending descending thing. So it's almost 1533 01:16:55.800 --> 01:17:00.119 like a really great exercise. So I think that's my 1534 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:02.520 dad was like, hey, you should learn this. It's got 1535 01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:04.439 good movements in it, but you learn all these different 1536

01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:07.359 triads and it's and it's and it helps you separate 1537 01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:10.640 the two hands. So, but because it was one of 1538 01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:12.279 the first songs I learned to play, the Planet, I 1539 01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:14.760 played all the time, you know, and then I heard 1540 01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:16.319 it on the rain and I'm like, oh, it's so 1541 01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:18.319 cool to be able to hear something that you can play. 1542 01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:22.000 And I remember hearing it way after I'd learned it, 1543 01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:24.359 and it was a pivotal moment for me as a 1544 01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:27.439 musician because I just think as a kid, there's nothing 1545 01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:30.880 like weird and then going oh, I can sound like that, 1546 01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:32.640 I can do that, I can kind of so it 1547 01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:36.439 was really an anchor for me to be more inspired 1548 01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:39.039 to if I you know, when I picked up a guitar, 1549 01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:41.439 I wanted to play back in Black because I'd heard it, 1550 01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:44.800 and then I thought, I can sound like that if 1551 01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:46.880 I practice hard enough and if I do it. So 1552 01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:50.560 it was really at the core, on the forefront in 1553 01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:56.600 a very foundation of my musicality really, which is just cool. 1554 01:17:56.960 --> 01:18:00.640 And then that was the first time moment a kind 1555 01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:04.319 of being exposed and learning, which I know is I'm 1556 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:08.279 not sure if that's what you're asking, but I guess then, yeah, 1557 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.119 that's the first. That's also the first song I would 1558 01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:12.520 have remembered hearing. I may have heard others not known, 1559 01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:14.640 but the first song I remember hearing would have been 1560 01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:16.479 let It Be Too, So yeah, And there's something churchy 1561 01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:19.920 about it, which is nice, and it feels I don't know, it's. 1562 01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:23.600 It's sacred almost. It has that kind of vibe. It's 1563 01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:25.960 that's that's kind of pulse thing too. Is that kind 1564 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:30.000 of like otherworldly but still very grounded in real emotion, 1565 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:32.399 So you kind of get the best of both worlds. 1566 01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:38.039 Dun dum dumnd This sounds big, even just on a 1567 01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:41.399 piano because of the harmony that like that, the harmony 1568 01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:44.479 sounds triumphant and big. But then he's saying let it 1569 01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.159 be so yeah. Yes, we could talk for hours about it. 1570 01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:50.239 But I love that scene in Yesterday when he's playing 1571 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:51.800 did you see Yesterday? No? 1572 01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:53.920 But I know that it's the Danny Boyle movie, right 1573 01:18:54.359 --> 01:18:57.560 he the world forgets that the Beatles exist, and he 1574 01:18:57.760 --> 01:18:58.760 basically co. 1575 01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:02.119 Ops one particular scene where he's it's like a very 1576 01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:04.520 British family and he's he says, I want to play 1577 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:07.439 my parents this new song I've written, and he's pretending 1578 01:19:07.479 --> 01:19:09.680 he's written let it be. And what's hilarious is it 1579 01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:11.920 he's playing the song and the parents are like half 1580 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:14.000 listing and that he put the kettle on and they're 1581 01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.000 just like, this is let it but they're not written. 1582 01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:19.359 And after they go, that's really nice. That's a nice song, 1583 01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:22.640 and it's just like, what, it's such a good it's 1584 01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:23.399 such a good scene. 1585 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.000 That's so great. This this is my Beatles story the 1586 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:29.319 U and I love that this is the way I 1587 01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:31.800 became a fan because I think it gave me a 1588 01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:37.199 whole give me a very unique appreciation for the Beatles. 1589 01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:40.039 But I spent twenty years of my life thinking I 1590 01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:43.760 did not like the Beatles. I spent twenty years of 1591 01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:48.560 my life just like i'd heard the songs. I think 1592 01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:51.199 when I was young, my parents planted in my head 1593 01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:53.039 that there was kind of like, oh, they're the Beatles 1594 01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:56.079 and the Beach Boys. And when I heard the Beatles 1595 01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:58.079 as a six year old, I was like, oh, they're 1596 01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:01.520 talking about like holding hands and and the beach Boys 1597 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:05.319 were talking about cars and surfing, and I was like, yeah, 1598 01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:08.159 that's cool. And then I think in my mind, I 1599 01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:10.760 just I kind of planted them against each other. So 1600 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:13.359 that was that seed was planted early on. My parents 1601 01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:16.039 loved the Beatles, but like that was just something I 1602 01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:20.039 remember just gravitating towards the Beach Boys. And then as 1603 01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:22.359 I got older, you know, I knew songs, I knew 1604 01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:27.079 the popular songs, and it just I think that stubbornness, 1605 01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:30.159 that desire to kind of move outside of the grain 1606 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:33.279 just stuck with me. And I had friends around who 1607

01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:36.359 were discovering the Beatles and like, oh, the Beatles are 1608 01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:39.840 the greatest. There is no band as great as the Beatles. 1609 01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.920 Nothing comes close. And so you're already not a fan 1610 01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:46.640 of something and you're hearing these people like praise it, 1611 01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:51.640 like with just this level of jubilance and adoration, and 1612 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:53.680 I was just not on that level. I was like, 1613 01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:57.600 I was like the contrary, like they're okay. I guess, 1614 01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:02.159 like yeah, okay, like every big deal everyone loves the Beatles, 1615 01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:04.520 And that was pretty much how I was. I remember 1616 01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:07.039 when the movie Across the Universe came out, that musical, 1617 01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:09.399 I went to see it and was just like, maybe 1618 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:12.479 this will be my big moment. And that didn't do it, 1619 01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:14.720 and so I was like, maybe they're just not for me, 1620 01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:16.960 Like maybe it's just something where I will just never 1621 01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:23.239 never really get into them. And then I took a 1622 01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:26.840 road trip. I was back home for a holiday weekend 1623 01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:31.520 and a buddy of mine we drove up to Pennsylvania 1624 01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:34.199 to Penn State to see a girl that I was 1625 01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:38.920 hopelessly in love with at that campus, and we spent 1626 01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:41.600 like literally we drove through the night we got there. 1627 01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:44.840 We stayed with my buddy's girlfriend, and then like the 1628 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:48.920 whole day we spent wandering around this campus. Finally ended 1629 01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:51.119 up at a party with this girl I was madly 1630 01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:53.520 in love with, and nothing happened, but just being in 1631 01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:56.520 her presence and interacting and talking with her was like, 1632 01:21:56.640 --> 01:21:59.319 you know what, that's all I need. That's all I need. 1633 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:03.840 And so when we were driving back from the college campus, 1634 01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:09.520 my buddy put on Rubber Soul and I was like 1635 01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:13.960 two or three songs in. I was like, who is this? 1636 01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.640 This is incredible And he looked at me and he 1637 01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:20.920 was like, this is the Beatles. And I was like, 1638 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:25.479 this is the Beatles. I've heard, Oh, I've heard let 1639 01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:29.920 it be, I've heard Come Together I've heard, you know, Blackbird, 1640 01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:33.159 I've heard all the hits. I haven't heard any of 1641 01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:35.159 these songs, you know, i'd heard, I think on that album, 1642 01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:39.239 i'd heard Girl and in My Life, But I was like, 1643 01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:43.279 drive my car, Norwegian Wood, you won't see me nowhere, man, 1644 01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:46.960 Like I just remember, like song after song after song, 1645 01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:49.199 I was like, not only is this a great song, 1646 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:52.319 this is one of the best songs I've ever heard, 1647 01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:55.840 And it was just I was in a mindset where 1648 01:22:55.880 --> 01:22:58.479 I was open and ready to experience something like that. 1649 01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:01.880 But it was also Rubber's Soul is an album that 1650 01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:04.800 I think is very highly appreciated, but for the most part, 1651 01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:07.439 it doesn't have a lot of like quote unquote hits 1652 01:23:07.479 --> 01:23:10.000 on it. Like the most well known song is probably 1653 01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:13.079 in My Life. So that just kicked open the door. 1654 01:23:13.239 --> 01:23:16.720 And I remember but another friend was like, here, I'll 1655 01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:19.800 just give you all their music. And I had a 1656 01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:25.039 four gigabyte mini iPod. I deleted everything on that iPod 1657 01:23:25.119 --> 01:23:31.279 and just filled it with Beatles music and I watched 1658 01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:33.880 A Hard Days Night, Like I got home from that trip, 1659 01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:36.960 I got all that music on my iPod. I watched 1660 01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:39.880 A Hard Day's Night. I watched the Beatles Enthal. It 1661 01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:43.439 was just like it was more than just discovery of 1662 01:23:43.520 --> 01:23:47.039 the Beatles. It was a this is what like art 1663 01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:53.199 at its greatest function can provide somebody, and learning about 1664 01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:55.840 the history of like what the Beatles did, how they 1665 01:23:55.880 --> 01:24:00.199 affected music, the creation of the album and make the 1666 01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:03.319 album and art for it just was like I was like, 1667 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:05.760 if I'm wrong about the Beatles and I've been wrong 1668 01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:08.359 about the Beatles, what else am I wrong about? And 1669 01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:10.880 I went back and like Bob Dylan was next. Suddenly 1670 01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:13.359 I was a huge Bob Dylan fan. I'd missed the 1671 01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:16.399 radio Head Bandwagon, so then after that it was Radiohead. 1672 01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:19.439 Then it was just like it was an art form 1673 01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:21.840 that I you know, I'd had my discovery and love 1674 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:24.880 of film, and I just kind of missed music and 1675 01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:27.119 the Beatles in the same way I think the Beatles 1676 01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:31.279 in music

history opened the doors for people to love 1677 01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:34.279 rock music and pop music and appreciate it on a 1678 01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:36.960 whole other level. They did that for me too, And 1679 01:24:37.119 --> 01:24:40.840 then it became like I was that annoying fan who 1680 01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:44.439 I used to dismiss and say like you're no, you're stupid, 1681 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:47.199 like you're wrong, and I so when people would dismiss me. 1682 01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:49.119 When I would say that, I was like, no, no, no, listen, 1683 01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:51.720 I was you just a few months ago, and I 1684 01:24:51.800 --> 01:24:54.119 can tell you that you're an idiot because it's like 1685 01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:57.960 you can't you cannot put a you just can't put 1686 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:00.119 a label on it. You cannot put a label what 1687 01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:00.880 they accountlish. 1688 01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:03.960 I really love that you had that moment though, because 1689 01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:07.600 I think a lot of people will resonate to a 1690 01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:11.399 certain extent, maybe not like having a diversion, but like 1691 01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:16.079 I feel like growing up, you know, especially as a kid, 1692 01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:18.439 you have a certain level to what you're ready for 1693 01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:20.680 and what's going to resonate with you. And I think 1694 01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:23.720 that's completely fine. And I even though the Beatles from 1695 01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:27.119 my life, I didn't become a huge fan until a 1696 01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:29.720 lot later on. And then even then I thought, Okay, 1697 01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:32.000 I'm a fan of the Beatles as a musician, their genius, 1698 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:34.039 blah blah blah. But then when I got the movie 1699 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:37.720 and had to research them, that's when I would say, Okay, 1700 01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:39.319 now I'm a big fan of the Bele big fan 1701 01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:42.119 of Beatles. Rather than just being like okay as a musician, 1702 01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:45.800 understanding these guys are in no way underrated. They deserve 1703 01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.960 to be the best band in the world. But then 1704 01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:51.920 I'm like, okay, now I became a fan because it 1705 01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:58.680 was difficult because I was so inspired and so kind 1706 01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:02.399 of like got the bug that I was having to 1707 01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:04.439 keep myself in the years I was supposed to be 1708 01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:07.319 just staying in those Brian Epstein years, and it was 1709 01:26:07.359 --> 01:26:09.880 really tough because I was just like wanting to go 1710 01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:12.039 further and more and just do all these things. And 1711 01:26:12.079 --> 01:26:13.640 I'm like, as an act of going, okay, now, bring 1712 01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:16.479 yourself back, get stop. Stop as an act to there's 1713 01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:22.119 something really nice about being given the excuse and being told, Okay, 1714 01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:24.479 learn this, do this, whether it's horse riding or sword 1715 01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:27.520 fighting or this. And so how the hell am I 1716 01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:30.359 being paid to just research the Beeple's you know? 1717 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:33.159 I think about, like, you know, with David, like having 1718 01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.279 to research, Oh, I've got to learn more about Superman. 1719 01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:37.119 I'm like, hey, dream job. But same with you. I 1720 01:26:37.239 --> 01:26:39.239 was gonna I was going to ask you about that, Like, Okay, 1721 01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:42.319 I got to learn about John Lennon, Okay, sure, let 1722 01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:43.079 me better. 1723 01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:48.479 It was literally my job to scour for interviews, candid moments, music, 1724 01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:50.960 the way he played chords, how he sang, where it 1725 01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:53.680 was going like that was my job, and so like 1726 01:26:54.680 --> 01:26:57.359 I just remember just loving it and almost never wanting 1727 01:26:57.439 --> 01:27:00.399 that period to end, because that period of explorer as 1728 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:03.680 an actress is probably the most exciting. One of the 1729 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:06.199 most exciting parts of the job is that discovery and 1730 01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:08.600 that you know, it's different if it's not a real person, 1731 01:27:08.640 --> 01:27:11.520 it's more open, but when it's a real person, I 1732 01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:12.479 really enjoy it. 1733 01:27:13.479 --> 01:27:15.199 I was going to ask you about that too, because 1734 01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:17.359 this is, you know, the three roles we've talked about 1735 01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:19.840 Superman in Blue Moon You that's a you know, these 1736 01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:21.960 are fictional characters that you can kind of imbue with 1737 01:27:22.039 --> 01:27:24.960 your own personality, but in this case, it is you know, 1738 01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:28.840 you know, just speaking of Superman and the pressure David 1739 01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:31.560 felt like playing John Lennon, that's not far off from 1740 01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:37.039 playing a character like Superman, except like John Lennon was 1741 01:27:37.199 --> 01:27:41.119 real and very well documented and had a very specific 1742 01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:44.880 kind of personality as specific cadence to how he spoke 1743 01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:47.640 and taught. When you were auditioning for that role, like 1744 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:50.439 what was that process, like, like how did you find 1745 01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:53.720 what did you what did you do for that audition? 1746 01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:57.039 It's such a

good question, you know, It's funny. I've 1747 01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:01.560 always resembled him and loved him. When the audition came through, 1748 01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:07.279 which is so long ago. Now, so long ago, I think, yeah, 1749 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:12.520 I do believe, you know what, I'll be able to 1750 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:15.920 look on my phone because I still have the photos. 1751 01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:18.600 But anyway, long time ago, it doesn't matter. It's around 1752 01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:21.840 the pandemic, either just before or just afterwards. Right, And 1753 01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:28.000 when I look back at the tape now, one thing 1754 01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:30.239 I will say about myself is that I got the 1755 01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:34.279 energy down of John, because you know, I'm an actor, 1756 01:28:34.359 --> 01:28:36.479 so I was able to get that down, but the 1757 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:40.920 voice was way off. It's so funny looking back at 1758 01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:43.760 it now because it's just a testimony I think to 1759 01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:48.680 how hard you do have to really work at if 1760 01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:52.680 you're going to do it properly as an actor, to 1761 01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:56.479 get all these different things. It's it's so multifaceted, right because, Okay, 1762 01:28:56.680 --> 01:29:00.159 the most crucial thing to me personally, the thing you 1763 01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:03.439 cannot skip over or kind of take for granted, is 1764 01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:06.359 someone's energy. And yes, energies can change, but I'm just 1765 01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:08.960 talking about their aura, how they hold themselves, how that, 1766 01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:12.439 how you know the like when John would come on screen, 1767 01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:15.520 how did he make you feel? What's the energy you know, 1768 01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:20.239 and then after that it's less esoteric and you can 1769 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:25.199 get more technical. It's more like mannerisms. The way he stands, 1770 01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:27.359 the way his chin is up, the way he looked 1771 01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:29.039 through is you know, how he laughs, how he holds 1772 01:29:29.079 --> 01:29:31.680 his fists, and then it's and then the vocal tone 1773 01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:35.119 is where he's where he speaks. Well, John Lennon spoke 1774 01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:38.680 from his mouth, which is really interesting, and. 1775 01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:42.159 The people people are, oh, speaks from the mouth, yes, 1776 01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:44.239 so it's interesting. I've never heard of that before. 1777 01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:50.039 Wow, what he didn't speak from another orifice? So what 1778 01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:54.520 As a singer you might understand that more because you 1779 01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:58.760 know placing, it's where to place resonance. And you know, 1780 01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:00.680 if you

if you're working out and the and the 1781 01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:03.880 personal trainer goes you know, actually it makes a big 1782 01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:06.560 difference if you're visualizing the bicep when you're doing the cars, 1783 01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:09.319 whether you don't, it's the same kind of thing. It's 1784 01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:12.520 it's hard to describe, but if you picture where you're 1785 01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:14.720 if you're talking like that and it's kind of at 1786 01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:17.199 the back of the road, you know, it's different from 1787 01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:20.039 if you're talking here like that right right to the front. 1788 01:30:20.359 --> 01:30:23.319 It's at the front and it's right there. And he 1789 01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:28.039 also when he sang a big tell me if I'm 1790 01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:30.159 boring and getting too technical, absolutely not. 1791 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:31.159 This is great. 1792 01:30:32.920 --> 01:30:34.840 When this is just part of the process. And it 1793 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:36.880 took a long time. In fact, I'm glad that we 1794 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:39.199 got shut down for a year because over that year 1795 01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:42.319 that we got shut down, I had so much time 1796 01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:44.359 to really hone this voice in And. 1797 01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:46.359 Had you filmed anything or was it just you were 1798 01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:49.960 guys were ramping up the film, had shot. 1799 01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:52.960 A few scenes that I sure we used any of, 1800 01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:57.840 but we were about to go to the cavern set, 1801 01:30:57.960 --> 01:31:01.279 the set was built, and then got told okay, we're 1802 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:05.920 halting was stopping. But honestly, it was a godsend for 1803 01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:08.439 my performance because I'd just been given so much more 1804 01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:10.960 time to work on it, and something clicked. I remember 1805 01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:16.319 one day realizing when he was singing he was pushing, 1806 01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:21.600 h really pushing and right, and then I thought, I 1807 01:31:21.760 --> 01:31:25.079 wonder if he speaks like that but less less, but 1808 01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:28.760 I wonder if it and it really did. So Ever, 1809 01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:31.359 since then I was able to kind of turn certain 1810 01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:35.880 muscles on and people, even different accents, use different muscles, 1811 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:39.840 which is why you'll find British actors can do an 1812 01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:44.119 American accent quite easy because we use a lot of muscles. 1813 01:31:44.239 --> 01:31:46.840 It's quite a Shakespearean thing in our mouth. We use 1814 01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:50.800 a lot. We overwork to just have our accent, whereas 1815 01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:53.800 to do it a general American accent, you just relax 1816 01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:55.680 and you just don't do anything and there's just nothing 1817 01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:55.960 going on. 1818 01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:59.960 You're like, Okay, a level of intelligence drops at least. 1819 01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:04.840 No, yeah, not that at all. It's like I just 1820 01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:07.520 don't have to do anything. I don't move, I don't muscles, 1821 01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:09.000 just you know what I mean, dude, just like that. 1822 01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:13.279 But it's like for an American to do a British 1823 01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:16.319 they technically have to use muscles that they're not used 1824 01:32:16.319 --> 01:32:19.399 to using. So you know, it's one of those things 1825 01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:21.199 where I had to use new muscles and new things. 1826 01:32:21.279 --> 01:32:24.520 But that was your question, right, Did I go off 1827 01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:25.920 because you were talking about his mannerism? 1828 01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:28.359 Yeah, well that was it because it was talking about 1829 01:32:28.399 --> 01:32:30.760 like getting the role and like what like how you 1830 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:31.520 prepare for that? 1831 01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:36.119 And I well, we had dialect coaches. Oh I wish 1832 01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:39.800 I could remember their names because they were fantastic. But 1833 01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:42.319 the truth being told, we went through different productions, so 1834 01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:43.960 we ended up having a few different people. 1835 01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:47.039 It was a crazy production, and I know we joked 1836 01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:49.600 about like what's the pr friendly version of this? But 1837 01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:52.640 from why I understand it was not only just the 1838 01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:55.760 delays involved with COVID, but like the film went through 1839 01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:57.239 a few different directors too. 1840 01:32:57.439 --> 01:33:02.800 The dialect coaches were great at kind of talking about 1841 01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:05.479 certain techniques and helping places. But it does get to 1842 01:33:05.560 --> 01:33:09.399 a certain point where I remember even pushing back sometimes 1843 01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:12.760 thinking just only only because I'm like, you have no 1844 01:33:12.840 --> 01:33:17.000 idea how many hours I've spent listen research, and so 1845 01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:19.279 I'm like, yes, okay, from that part of Liverpool, I 1846 01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:22.279 understand that they should say this word this way, but 1847 01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:24.479 I know for a fact that John doesn't. And if 1848 01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:28.039 you can find me one one video or one but 1849 01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:30.760 where he says that that way, then you know, because 1850 01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:33.439 it's just like everyone is different, everyone's unique, And yes, 1851 01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:35.199 they

came from a certain part of Liverpool, but they 1852 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:38.319 also didn't want to be from Liverpool in terms of 1853 01:33:38.359 --> 01:33:40.960 the way they sounded that. I think they were patriotic 1854 01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:44.199 for Liverpool, but like they didn't sound that scouse. 1855 01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:47.640 Yeah, you know, always kind of like it's basically like 1856 01:33:47.720 --> 01:33:50.199 other bums, like they're good for well. 1857 01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:53.039 George Harrison. They would do a Liverpool accent that actually know, 1858 01:33:53.159 --> 01:33:54.720 I mean, lad do you know they would do that, 1859 01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:58.840 but that's not how they sounded. They they would make 1860 01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:02.399 fun of that. I think George had the most Scouse 1861 01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:06.079 accent in terms of like traditional scouse, but the others 1862 01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:09.680 had something you know, weird stuff like different things, man, 1863 01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:11.560 which made them so unique. 1864 01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:13.800 It also made it, like, I think that makes it 1865 01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:16.520 very easy to fall into a characterization when it comes 1866 01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:18.680 to the Beatles. I think that's kind of what's so 1867 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:21.520 impressed all four of you? Like what's so impressed or like, 1868 01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:27.760 what impressed me the most is finding there's that. It 1869 01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:30.560 is that fine line of like, I am playing this 1870 01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:33.640 character who is not a character, it's a real person 1871 01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:36.960 who has a distinctive personality. And you're talking about the 1872 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:39.159 way they talked, they had their own language, but also 1873 01:34:39.279 --> 01:34:43.520 they were basically cartoon characters in real life, So you 1874 01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:49.960 can run the risk of it's it's just a you know, 1875 01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:52.720 the karaoke version, it's just a lot. 1876 01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:54.920 I put a lot of thought into that, a lot 1877 01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:57.279 of thought because I have been lucky enough to play 1878 01:34:57.279 --> 01:35:00.920 a lot of real people, but especially with John, you know, 1879 01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:04.199 there's always this Okay, is it an impersonation or is 1880 01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:04.600 it a thing? 1881 01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:04.800 You know? 1882 01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:07.640 You never want to slip into impersonation because it's very 1883 01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:11.560 easy to and I think I'm being careful because I've 1884 01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:14.560 put a lot of thought into it, and I was 1885 01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:17.680 really wanted to make sure that when you I listened 1886 01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:19.279 to a lot of my favorite actors who have done 1887 01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:25.319 biopics things like that, and they have similar struggles of like, okay, 1888 01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:26.920 so you're learning the voice and you're doing the thing 1889 01:35:26.920 --> 01:35:28.640 in the Mazarisms, but then how do you not just 1890 01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:32.720 make it like an impressionist? And I think that that's 1891 01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:36.760 something what an actor then has to bring which you 1892 01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:42.239 cannot help in any role that you ever come to 1893 01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:46.239 As an actor, you bring a lot of yourself, okay, 1894 01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:49.119 and that's what you're being paid to do, and that's 1895 01:35:49.159 --> 01:35:51.520 what gives it its own thing. I remember speaking to 1896 01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:55.960 Jacob fortune Lloyd, who's playing Brian, right, and we had 1897 01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:57.760 a nice conversation because I was telling him, you know, 1898 01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:00.359 this is you know a lot with these boots were 1899 01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:01.760 stepping into and he was like, yeah, but you have 1900 01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:04.039 to remember, do all of that work, do all of 1901 01:36:04.159 --> 01:36:07.239 the voice and the mannerisms and the thing and then 1902 01:36:07.399 --> 01:36:11.159 you just you allow yourself. It's almost fifty percent yourself 1903 01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:14.279 and you in those shoes, and then there's this beautiful 1904 01:36:14.359 --> 01:36:18.800 merging that happens. Whereas that you just like, you should 1905 01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:20.640 just be in the moment and if you've done the 1906 01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:23.760 work correctly, while you're in the scene, you're not thinking about, 1907 01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:25.279 oh do I am I standing right? And am I 1908 01:36:25.319 --> 01:36:27.119 doing that? You're just in that moment and you're in 1909 01:36:27.199 --> 01:36:30.560 the cavern, you're speaking to Brian Epssey. That's the best 1910 01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:32.159 way that I think that you can stop it from 1911 01:36:32.159 --> 01:36:35.000 becoming an impression is just grounding whatever moment you're in 1912 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:37.800 reality and being present enough to forget everything and just 1913 01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:41.279 if I'm John and I'm having to do this interview 1914 01:36:42.399 --> 01:36:44.479 the Beatles, Jesus, you know, I'm just there. I'm not 1915 01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:46.199 thinking about the video. I'm not thinking about what I've 1916 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:48.159 seen before. I'm not thinking about I'm just trying to 1917 01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:50.439 be there in that moment and answer those questions. So 1918 01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:52.720 I think that is what is the only way you 1919 01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:55.279 can really stop yourself from going into caricature. 1920 01:36:55.640 --> 01:36:57.800 But it's hard, But I think you

guys, I think 1921 01:36:57.840 --> 01:36:59.640 you guys succeeded. I mean, yes, it's hard. I add 1922 01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:02.680 on envy you, But I think the I just remember 1923 01:37:03.039 --> 01:37:06.119 watching it and feeling like you guys playing playing at 1924 01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:08.800 the cavern, and just like you guys have like the 1925 01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:12.119 bounce down and like you said, you have the like 1926 01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:16.239 John's kind of like just this just the stances and 1927 01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:18.720 like the head bobbing. Like it's like there are things 1928 01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:21.720 that are you know it when you see it. So 1929 01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:23.920 in my brain, I'm thinking, these guys they know what 1930 01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:26.359 they're doing, They've done the work, they put in the research. 1931 01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:28.479 But then there are quiet moments and you know it's 1932 01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:31.800 it's you know, film is such a collaborative art form 1933 01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:33.960 where it's you know, it's not just the performance, but 1934 01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:35.920 it's the writing and the direction, all of it together. 1935 01:37:36.319 --> 01:37:39.119 Ultimately you are the one who's going to be the 1936 01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:42.439 poster child for all of that. But like, I just 1937 01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:44.920 remember thinking, like there are moments of vulnerability where I 1938 01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:47.399 think I'm trying to it's been a couple of weeks 1939 01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:49.600 since I watched the film. There are two moments I 1940 01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:51.119 think of, but one was when you guys are in 1941 01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:54.560 Brian's office the first time, realizing oh, this guy may 1942 01:37:54.640 --> 01:37:58.359 be legit, and Brian is insisting, like I will I 1943 01:37:58.399 --> 01:37:59.960 will be good to you. I will treat you fairly, 1944 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:03.279 I'll be honest, and you're kind of watching him and 1945 01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:06.960 John's whole thing was John his whole life. You know, 1946 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:11.600 his parents abandoned him, his mom was killed and by 1947 01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:15.239 you know, that police officer in a car accident. And 1948 01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:20.000 I sensed all that in what you were doing, like 1949 01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:23.359 listening to him, feeling like I haven't heard that before, 1950 01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:25.359 Like I haven't heard anybody say they're gonna fight for 1951 01:38:25.479 --> 01:38:28.479 me or anything like that, Like that moment of vulnerability 1952 01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:32.399 is so so good. And there was another moment between 1953 01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:36.039 you and Brian, or between John and Brian where you 1954 01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:39.479 are you're very fed up with the audition process and 1955 01:38:39.560

--> 01:38:42.880 you guys have failed another audition and you've kind of 1956 01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:46.720 told Brian off and have gone to smoke a cigarette 1957 01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:49.000 and just a very very quiet but the way you 1958 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:54.760 were able to embody that, you're able to embody this incredible, famous, 1959 01:38:55.319 --> 01:38:59.079 insanely famous character who's so well known while bringing in 1960 01:38:59.199 --> 01:39:02.520 those moments of ability that felt true to like, yeah, 1961 01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:04.600 that's John Lennon, Like like I was watching it thinking 1962 01:39:04.720 --> 01:39:07.399 like yeah, like I believe it, Like I believe this 1963 01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:12.560 is them. I believe this is them. That's an insane accomplishment. 1964 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:15.960 Thank you, man, I very like and thank you. Like 1965 01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:18.760 I I'm so glad I got to see it. I 1966 01:39:19.359 --> 01:39:21.920 am so bummed that there was such a debacle with 1967 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:24.239 getting it out into the world. It's still kind of 1968 01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:25.720 difficult to watch it. 1969 01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:31.600 Oh yeah, it's very sad. I mean, first of all, again, 1970 01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:34.840 thank you. That's that's really kind of I'm very happy 1971 01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:39.520 that you've pointed out those moments. Yeah, like I, like 1972 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:41.880 I said, I put a lot, a lot of work 1973 01:39:41.960 --> 01:39:44.119 into it and a lot of love. So I'm glad 1974 01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:47.159 that you were able to pick up on those moments 1975 01:39:47.199 --> 01:39:49.399 and that came through. So I appreciate your kind words 1976 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:52.239 on that. But in terms of the movie and it 1977 01:39:52.359 --> 01:39:58.199 not finding you know, specifically an American audience yet it is. 1978 01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:00.800 It is sad. It's it's a you know, as a 1979 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:05.920 lowly actor who is but a porn in the in 1980 01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:11.319 in this Yes, I wish I could do more, and 1981 01:40:11.439 --> 01:40:14.880 I have actually tried to offer any assistance because I 1982 01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:16.520 do love and care about the movie that much, and 1983 01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:19.960 I think that Brian in particular, so people that there's 1984 01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:22.800 a movie about him. It would be nice if it 1985 01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:25.159 was easy for the people who want to watch it 1986 01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:27.920 to find it, they should be able to. But you know, 1987 01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:30.520 it is what it is, and exactly a semi release 1988 01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:32.760 in the UK, and I think here we got Florida 1989 01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:34.000 and like New York. 1990 01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:35.760 And I would love, I mean, I would love for 1991 01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:38.920 more people to see it. I think, you know, in 1992 01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:42.439 some ways you can you can sense that there was 1993 01:40:42.560 --> 01:40:46.680 turmoil in the production. But the purity of you guys, 1994 01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:50.159 and is it is it Jacob Is that his name? 1995 01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:50.560 Yes? 1996 01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:54.079 Yeah, his performance is Brian like the purity of it. 1997 01:40:54.640 --> 01:40:57.680 And also, you guys are working with limited resources. You 1998 01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:00.800 guys weren't really able to sing any Beatles songs. 1999 01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:04.560 There are covers the song like the that was sad 2000 01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:08.199 actually because the original movie we thought we had all 2001 01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:11.600 the Beatles songs. So I'd learned when to hold your 2002 01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:13.880 hand help, Like there were so many amazing moments. We 2003 01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:17.279 were going to do the actual at Telliman performance. We 2004 01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:19.720 were also gonna do Shae Stadium bits of that. So 2005 01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:22.239 and I tried on the Shaye Stadium, you know with 2006 01:41:22.359 --> 01:41:23.439 the badge police. 2007 01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:26.880 So ah, yeah, but you got but that I think 2008 01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:30.560 that also this is just again just to butter you up. 2009 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:34.000 I think that speaks to how incredible, What an incredible 2010 01:41:34.079 --> 01:41:36.560 job you guys did without, Like I mean, what are 2011 01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:40.600 the Beatles without their songs? And you guys still embodied them? 2012 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:42.479 Like I watch it and it's like there. I mean, 2013 01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:45.600 I I recognize the songs because I'm such a crazy 2014 01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:48.119 obsessive fan of song. I don't know the name of 2015 01:41:48.199 --> 01:41:50.319 the song, but that some of the guy now did 2016 01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:53.119 some of the guy? Yeah, yeah, I love that song. 2017 01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:55.239 I love that cover. You guys get to play Money, 2018 01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:58.199 which was another cover they were they did that was 2019 01:41:58.279 --> 01:41:59.000 really good, but. 2020 01:41:59.199 --> 01:41:59.840 Like it was fun. 2021 01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:02.880 Yeah, and you but you guys are actually performing those songs. 2022 01:42:03.119 --> 01:42:06.119 Oh yeah, playing playing the instrum. That's I mean, yeah, 2023 01:42:06.600 --> 01:42:08.880 that's not that's nothing to shake a stick at. 2024 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:11.680 And it was very adamant about playing my own guitar. 2025 01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:14.119 In fact, it was difficult because there was a time 2026 01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:15.800 when they wanted someone else to play, and I'm like, no, 2027 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:18.000 this is part of my

performance, Like I have to. 2028 01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:20.720 I've done so much work on how he plays. I 2029 01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:21.560 just knew I had to. 2030 01:42:22.399 --> 01:42:25.600 What were I mean, the Beatles songs don't really get 2031 01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:27.960 to be in the movie, but what are some of 2032 01:42:28.039 --> 01:42:31.039 your personal favorites to play? Let it be was a 2033 01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:34.239 big one for you. But yes, what if you could 2034 01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:36.479 have picked one and it could be from any like 2035 01:42:37.159 --> 01:42:41.000 it could be from any era. Let's just say. Okay, Well, what. 2036 01:42:41.079 --> 01:42:44.760 I can say is we us as a as a 2037 01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:48.920 group of actors getting to we had such a great chemistry, 2038 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:52.159 and we we got to in our downtime when we 2039 01:42:52.239 --> 01:42:54.359 were rehearsing the songs for the movie, we ended up 2040 01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:56.920 just playing other Beatles songs and the ones that we 2041 01:42:57.039 --> 01:43:00.920 really enjoyed playing, like get Back super fun to play, 2042 01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:05.720 really fun, and Don't Let Me Down is really fun 2043 01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:06.520 to play and sing. 2044 01:43:06.920 --> 01:43:10.800 One of the I think that's the best super underage. 2045 01:43:10.439 --> 01:43:12.279 I sang that. I sang that at the after party 2046 01:43:12.880 --> 01:43:14.319 all the whole band got up and we got to 2047 01:43:14.359 --> 01:43:19.359 play live and that. I'm sure there's some drunken loud 2048 01:43:19.439 --> 01:43:22.880 for to do it somewhere, but I enjoyed it a lot. 2049 01:43:23.359 --> 01:43:26.439 And yeah, those two, those two really good. I think 2050 01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:29.680 is it get Back? The one where John plays so 2051 01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:30.680 the lead guitar. 2052 01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:36.560 Is that the one? Is it? Did you think? I think, George, No, 2053 01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:37.359 I think you're right. 2054 01:43:37.479 --> 01:43:41.640 I think it's John Daniel you know those little Yeah, Yeah, 2055 01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:44.960 I really enjoyed doing that too, because usually it was Leo, 2056 01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:48.319 who's great playing Leo Harvey electoral played George Harrison. But 2057 01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:50.439 you know it's funny as well, Like all the beat 2058 01:43:50.479 --> 01:43:52.840 we all had such a great coment, super but particularly 2059 01:43:53.479 --> 01:43:57.079 Blake Richardson who played Paul McCartney and I we kind 2060 01:43:57.079 --> 01:43:59.199 of which is funny is our imitating life. We really 2061 01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:03.119 did have a great bond like particularly, and we would 2062 01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:04.479 spend a lot of time together. 2063 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.199 There's a great video on your Instagram of you guys 2064 01:44:08.279 --> 01:44:11.840 playing from me to you Oh yeah, so good, so good. 2065 01:44:12.239 --> 01:44:14.039 Oh thank you. Yeah. We we love that. We still 2066 01:44:14.279 --> 01:44:17.199 talk all the time, and you know, I'm hopeful that 2067 01:44:18.399 --> 01:44:21.680 one day I'd get a chance to step into John 2068 01:44:21.720 --> 01:44:24.000 Shoes again, whether I'm producing it or writing it, or 2069 01:44:24.079 --> 01:44:27.399 something comes up, you know, some you know, some another 2070 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:29.880 opportunity arises. But honestly, he was such a great Poul. 2071 01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:31.520 I would want I would want Blake to be there 2072 01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:35.199 with me because we had just just such a great chemistry. 2073 01:44:35.239 --> 01:44:36.920 And I think he's a great Paul too. I think 2074 01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:39.119 he looks just like him and he's so talented. 2075 01:44:40.399 --> 01:44:44.000 Did you get a chance to to check out the 2076 01:44:44.439 --> 01:44:47.359 there's like some because the Beatles anthology, they just did 2077 01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:50.359 like this whole remaster on Disney Plus, and all this 2078 01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:51.600 stuff is coming out. 2079 01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:55.159 And I didn't know about the anthology I saw. I 2080 01:44:55.279 --> 01:44:57.399 was watching Beatles sixty four on Disney Plus. 2081 01:44:57.479 --> 01:45:01.720 Oh yeah, yeah, is that older that's that came out, 2082 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:03.359 That came out a couple of years ago. There's an 2083 01:45:03.439 --> 01:45:07.039 even better documentary that's the original documentary. It's called The 2084 01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:11.880 Beatles US. I think the first US visit that was Yes, 2085 01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:13.720 I love that because I. 2086 01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:18.520 Did watch that when I was researching did you did. 2087 01:45:18.479 --> 01:45:20.199 You ever watch? Oh? You did see it? Okay, I 2088 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:22.479 was gonna say, it's like there's a part of me 2089 01:45:22.560 --> 01:45:26.399 that prefers like the vibe of Da Penna Baker or Pennebaker, 2090 01:45:26.560 --> 01:45:30.319 like look Back, like Fly on the Wall and Beatles 2091 01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:32.920 sixty four. The the talking head stuff kind of throws 2092 01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:34.279 it off from me. I'm like, I just want to 2093 01:45:34.439 --> 01:45:37.680 see that. I know, I know, I agree, and I 2094 01:45:37.800 --> 01:45:40.680 kind of want to touch on this Sam Mendes film 2095 01:45:40.840 --> 01:45:45.439 and express the same point, which is I get really 2096 01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:49.720 and this is I think part of the reason midas 2097 01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:51.920 Man works for me and why I'm not up at 2098 01:45:52.039 --> 01:45:55.399 arms about like cause I get very protective. I think 2099 01:45:55.479 --> 01:45:59.239 of like particularly it's it seems to be musicians and 2100

01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:02.439 it seems to be like these biopics. So when no direction, 2101 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:05.560 what was it? No direction? Was it no direction? Home? 2102 01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:07.560 What's the name of the one that just came out 2103 01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:09.039 with Timothy I think you're talking. 2104 01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:12.720 You're talking about the Dylan the Dylan movie. 2105 01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:17.880 A complete unknown. Yeah, James Mangle did it, and there 2106 01:46:18.039 --> 01:46:19.640 was there was something about it where I was like, 2107 01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:23.560 I can access all of this footage that they're portraying 2108 01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:26.039 in the film on YouTube. I can watch all of that. 2109 01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:29.720 I think midas Man because it's Brian Epstein centric and 2110 01:46:29.880 --> 01:46:33.960 you guys are kind of like the supporting characters. I'm like, okay, okay, 2111 01:46:34.039 --> 01:46:36.439 I'm like, I want to learn more about Brian Epstein. 2112 01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:38.680 I don't know as much about Brian Epstein. I think 2113 01:46:38.760 --> 01:46:41.840 things where it's just like, let's just portray this story 2114 01:46:42.520 --> 01:46:45.079 of something you were very well aware of and also 2115 01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:48.319 a very I feel like that version of Bob Dylan 2116 01:46:48.479 --> 01:46:50.479 is so well documented and well known. 2117 01:46:51.239 --> 01:46:53.039 Like you said, that's so well said. I think that 2118 01:46:53.199 --> 01:46:56.840 that that well. Joe Stevenson, who was the director on 2119 01:46:57.079 --> 01:46:59.680 miest Man, what's one thing I think he was very 2120 01:46:59.720 --> 01:47:02.039 small about, you know, even like stuff when we recreated 2121 01:47:02.159 --> 01:47:08.319 like the the Rattle your Jewelry Royal, Yes, Albert. 2122 01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:11.920 Which by the way, even like the little the Scratch. 2123 01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:16.079 I didn't throw that in too much, but I had 2124 01:47:16.119 --> 01:47:20.359 to in that moment. It was like her. At first, 2125 01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:22.600 they weren't setting up that shot that we all know, 2126 01:47:23.439 --> 01:47:25.239 and I'm like, we are you gonna get that shot? 2127 01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:25.880 You know? 2128 01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:28.039 I was thinking about the side by side right that 2129 01:47:28.159 --> 01:47:30.479 we all know, and he's like, we're not going to 2130 01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:32.279 get that shot and I'm like why and he's like, 2131 01:47:32.319 --> 01:47:34.319 because we're going to get behind the wings of Brian 2132 01:47:34.359 --> 01:47:36.520 and we're gonna get and I'm like, oh, what they 2133 01:47:36.600 --> 01:47:39.359 audience want to see is what we haven't seen. Is 2134 01:47:39.439 --> 01:47:42.039 that the angles we haven't seen. And that is so 2135 01:47:42.159 --> 01:47:44.880 smart because, like you said, we can watch the Royal 2136 01:47:44.920 --> 01:47:47.520 wrioty performance, which is actually why I was also happy 2137 01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:50.199 that we played money because at first I was like, well, 2138 01:47:50.199 --> 01:47:53.079 we should play twist and shout and it's not a 2139 01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:56.680 Beatles song, probably easier to get, but then the director 2140 01:47:56.760 --> 01:47:59.399 was like, no, but it goes into money, which is 2141 01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:03.000 is more or it makes more sense for our movie 2142 01:48:03.119 --> 01:48:05.319 in terms of Brian. You guys are earning a lot 2143 01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:07.640 of money and it goes into that montage and I'm 2144 01:48:07.680 --> 01:48:10.960 just like, oh, and then I think that the point 2145 01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:13.199 you brought up about biopics is really true. I think 2146 01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:16.880 if you're gonna Okay, we can watch documentaries, we can 2147 01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:19.920 watch the Beatles, we can watch it, Like, Okay, why 2148 01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:21.600 do I want to watch this movie? Well, it should 2149 01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:23.640 be we should be seeing stuff behind the curtain. We 2150 01:48:23.680 --> 01:48:25.920 should be seeing moments or the person that we that 2151 01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:27.359 we're not as familiar with. 2152 01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:30.279 That's a good point, agreed. And so that makes me 2153 01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:34.600 nervous about this. I don't know how. I'm a big 2154 01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:37.760 Sam Mendes fan. Great cast, like very. 2155 01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:41.039 Like, oh yeah, all the actors are phenomenal actors on paper. 2156 01:48:41.119 --> 01:48:45.479 I'm like that that's awesome on paper. I don't know, Like, 2157 01:48:45.560 --> 01:48:48.640 I'm just like it just makes there's something about it, 2158 01:48:48.760 --> 01:48:51.159 and it really is music stuff that I'm just like, 2159 01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:56.159 something about it makes me feel ify. I just like, 2160 01:48:56.279 --> 01:48:59.199 so it's like I'm I'm excited as a film fan, 2161 01:48:59.560 --> 01:49:01.880 as a Beatles fan, I'm like, I would rather just 2162 01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:04.560 watch the ten hours of Beatles anthology that exists to me. 2163 01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:06.880 And it's like and it's that's a personal thing, like 2164 01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:10.000 it's like I don't want to disparage that team or 2165 01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:12.520 anyone involved with it, but it's like it's very hard 2166 01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:16.000 for me to connect the dots or something like this 2167 01:49:16.159 --> 01:49:19.840 Bruce Springsteen biopic that came out, Deliver Me from Nowhere, 2168 01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:22.880 that's about a very unknown part of Bruce Springsteen's life, 2169 01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:25.199 like when he was making Nebraska. So I'm like, hey, 2170 01:49:25.319

--> 01:49:27.399 give that some I'm okay with that, Like do that, 2171 01:49:27.600 --> 01:49:30.239 but I don't know. I'm rambling like you know, no. 2172 01:49:30.319 --> 01:49:34.199 It's okay. You know what's interesting. It's for me until 2173 01:49:34.199 --> 01:49:37.840 it comes out the storit till they come out four 2174 01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:44.640 four movies. I don't. I genuinely don't know how to 2175 01:49:44.760 --> 01:49:49.399 feel because we know so little, genuinely, like, I don't 2176 01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:51.920 maybe there's more information out there. All I know is 2177 01:49:52.279 --> 01:49:54.920 is who they've cast, and I know that there's going 2178 01:49:54.960 --> 01:49:57.520 to be four movies. So I really am in the 2179 01:49:57.640 --> 01:50:03.800 dark about what I'm all they're going that. I presume 2180 01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:07.439 they will intertwine, how they will intertwine. I presume all 2181 01:50:07.520 --> 01:50:09.359 four of them will be in all four movies. So 2182 01:50:09.520 --> 01:50:15.399 it's just very interesting. And with that amount of screen time, 2183 01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:24.000 it's they have so much potential and so it could 2184 01:50:24.119 --> 01:50:29.520 obviously it could go either way. I think that it's 2185 01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:32.600 just it's it's gonna be one of those things where 2186 01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:39.399 I'm so I'll say I'm incredibly curious, and I just 2187 01:50:39.600 --> 01:50:42.560 I really genuinely mean it when I say I cannot 2188 01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:44.439 wait to see what they do with it in any way, 2189 01:50:44.479 --> 01:50:48.560 because it's it's just intriguing to me, and having stepped 2190 01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:52.760 into the shoes myself, I wish Harris Dickinson especially nothing 2191 01:50:52.800 --> 01:50:57.319 but the best because I know what he's going through, 2192 01:50:57.359 --> 01:51:00.960 what he's doing and all this stuff is and yeah, 2193 01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:03.720 I wish him a special especially luck on Twist and 2194 01:51:03.720 --> 01:51:05.640 shat off. He has this thing that because that kills 2195 01:51:05.680 --> 01:51:08.079 your voice, that absolutely wrecks your voice. 2196 01:51:08.279 --> 01:51:09.760 Oh my god, I can't even imagine. 2197 01:51:10.840 --> 01:51:12.960 It's funny now that I have that. It's funny like 2198 01:51:13.399 --> 01:51:16.199 I played Jimmy Swagger in Sun Records, and the only 2199 01:51:16.279 --> 01:51:18.279 other person who have played Jimmy Swaggert as far as 2200 01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:22.159 I was aware, was Alec Baldwin. And so it's funny 2201 01:51:22.159 --> 01:51:24.239 when you've played people that other people haven't played very 2202 01:51:24.279 --> 01:51:26.319 much and you do feel this weird connection to them. 2203 01:51:26.359 --> 01:51:28.279 It's like, I'm like, oh, am me and Harris, now 2204 01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:33.880 do you know, yeah, well that's that.

It's more just like, 2205 01:51:34.760 --> 01:51:36.279 even though I'm not on set and I don't know 2206 01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:38.600 anything about it, there's certain things that I know for sure, 2207 01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:41.439 like I bet he's watching this well psychologically. 2208 01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:44.279 It's also like we're going into the same places and 2209 01:51:44.359 --> 01:51:47.479 there are many people who get the opportunity to portray 2210 01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:48.279 a character like that. 2211 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:52.000 But then again, what's exciting is when it's a new actor. 2212 01:51:52.079 --> 01:51:54.399 As I mentioned about you bringing yourself, he's going to 2213 01:51:54.439 --> 01:51:57.239 bring fifty percent of himself. So it will be Harris's 2214 01:51:57.399 --> 01:52:00.079 version of Lennon, and it's Paul's version of Paul. And 2215 01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:04.560 I think you know who else was really interesting. Joseph Quinn, 2216 01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:05.800 by the way, is one of my favorite. 2217 01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:07.680 Actors who playing Oh yeah, he's great Harrison. 2218 01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:16.800 But Barry Kogan is so phenomenal as well, and so 2219 01:52:17.720 --> 01:52:19.880 I just love him. So I'm really interested to see 2220 01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:23.039 what he does with Ringo. But one thing that they 2221 01:52:23.159 --> 01:52:26.319 did get right in that which I usually don't find 2222 01:52:26.479 --> 01:52:28.479 height that important, but I'm going to bring it up 2223 01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:33.960 just because we when we got booked to do the 2224 01:52:34.079 --> 01:52:38.800 role originally and I met a specifically Leo who plays 2225 01:52:38.840 --> 01:52:41.439 George Harrison, who's so tall I don't know, he's like 2226 01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:44.800 six foot three something like that. I'm like, okay, and 2227 01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:49.039 I'm a smaller man. I'm thinking this just to Beatles fans, 2228 01:52:49.119 --> 01:52:52.079 the imagery will be a little bit off. Originally we 2229 01:52:52.199 --> 01:52:54.880 were talking about I just was saying, just so that 2230 01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:59.760 we're not distracting, let's let's do something. It's so easy 2231 01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:03.279 I've made to be taller, smaller for projects. It's quite 2232 01:53:03.279 --> 01:53:06.000 easy to do with lifts and boxes and things. But 2233 01:53:06.079 --> 01:53:07.800 then when we got to do it for whatever reason, 2234 01:53:07.880 --> 01:53:10.119 like I said, actors, you don't get much. 2235 01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:13.119 You know, it's just kind of like you and you're there. 2236 01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:15.439 There wasn't any time and I'm looking at the shots 2237 01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:17.760 and I was just kind of told to be like, Jona, 2238 01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:19.239 don't worry about It's going to be fine. So I'm 2239 01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:21.239 just like,

it's one of the only things in the 2240 01:53:21.359 --> 01:53:23.079 movie where I'm like, if we could have just taken 2241 01:53:23.119 --> 01:53:27.119 a little bit longer on that, I think it would 2242 01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:29.319 have been because it's just a distraction. It's just something 2243 01:53:29.359 --> 01:53:31.920 that if I was in any way a bigger like 2244 01:53:31.960 --> 01:53:33.960 a producer or something, I would have brought up let's 2245 01:53:34.079 --> 01:53:37.720 just do something about that. It just to me, it 2246 01:53:37.800 --> 01:53:40.239 brings me out of it, and I'm in it. I'm bloody. 2247 01:53:41.880 --> 01:53:42.680 I get what you're saying. 2248 01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:45.319 Yeah, I think it's easily avoidable, you know. 2249 01:53:46.119 --> 01:53:47.840 Yeah, I get that. And I felt like, you know, 2250 01:53:47.960 --> 01:53:49.960 as again, as a fan, I'm watching and thinking like 2251 01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:52.800 there's a hepe disparity there, but I get I think 2252 01:53:53.319 --> 01:53:57.239 to fix it's easy to fix. But it's also you 2253 01:53:57.319 --> 01:53:59.880 guys carried that spirit so well that I it was 2254 01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:02.479 very easy to just kind of be like, that's that 2255 01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:05.399 is not even like that's on a footnote on this 2256 01:54:05.520 --> 01:54:06.600 kind of undred percent. 2257 01:54:06.640 --> 01:54:08.399 And and I do appreciate that. You know, there's a 2258 01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:10.239 I saw a lot of comments about it online, but 2259 01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:13.600 then there were other people who were these yeah, I know, 2260 01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:15.920 there was some really funny ones, ones that called me 2261 01:54:16.079 --> 01:54:20.159 like there was one that said something about like a munchkin, 2262 01:54:21.680 --> 01:54:24.000 and it made me laugh so much. Like I said 2263 01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:29.119 to the guys, so luckily I don't I don't care 2264 01:54:29.119 --> 01:54:30.560 about that stuff, but it did. 2265 01:54:31.079 --> 01:54:31.520 It did. 2266 01:54:32.199 --> 01:54:35.560 It also pulled me into seeing some nice like people 2267 01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:37.680 replying just saying about what you said, which is just 2268 01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:40.640 like it's just these guys embodied them so well and 2269 01:54:40.720 --> 01:54:42.399 it's not bad that blah blah blah it's different thing. 2270 01:54:43.159 --> 01:54:46.279 It's a reminder that the internet, as terrible of a 2271 01:54:46.319 --> 01:54:48.000 place as it is, if you can just leave it 2272 01:54:48.239 --> 01:54:51.039 for a few like to give it a day, somebody 2273 01:54:51.159 --> 01:54:53.119 is going to come in and fight on your behalf. 2274 01:54:53.239 --> 01:54:55.720 And it's yeah, it's so funny, and you know, I 2275 01:54:55.800 --> 01:54:58.279 am really proud of my performance, but it's funny. Like 2276 01:54:58.720 --> 01:55:01.479 That's why I'm I'm looking for to as I move 2277 01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:04.039 on in my career, I'm really looking forward to getting 2278 01:55:04.399 --> 01:55:06.800 into more producing and writing and kind of because that's 2279 01:55:06.840 --> 01:55:09.000 one of the things as an actor. Sometimes your voice 2280 01:55:09.079 --> 01:55:11.479 is just like you know, you do have some good 2281 01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:14.600 ideas and simple things. And that's why you see a 2282 01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:17.520 lot of bigger actors. You'll see, oh he was in it, 2283 01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:20.279 and he produced it and he exec produced. That's because 2284 01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:23.840 then you get to go, actually, I think we should 2285 01:55:23.840 --> 01:55:25.279 do this, and people will listen to you more and 2286 01:55:25.359 --> 01:55:27.800 every now and again you'll get things like that. You 2287 01:55:27.920 --> 01:55:28.199 just on it. 2288 01:55:28.239 --> 01:55:29.880 You're on a power trip. You just want the control. 2289 01:55:30.079 --> 01:55:33.319 You you need a box and you want to be 2290 01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:36.039 the height of George Harrison and somebody's got to listen 2291 01:55:36.119 --> 01:55:36.239 to you. 2292 01:55:36.359 --> 01:55:40.319 And when you're the director, Now, Paul Dana is weak sauce. 2293 01:55:43.920 --> 01:55:47.239 We're gonna that's actually the perfect transition. So okay, let's 2294 01:55:47.239 --> 01:55:49.319 talk a little bit about that because you and Christian 2295 01:55:49.359 --> 01:55:51.840 are going to start working on your first short film, right. 2296 01:55:52.560 --> 01:55:57.079 Yeah, you know, we are speaking to some you know, 2297 01:55:57.239 --> 01:56:02.520 making movies is a real process, so I can't say 2298 01:56:02.600 --> 01:56:04.960 much about it. What I can say is that we've 2299 01:56:05.039 --> 01:56:08.479 got some really great people we're looking to attach, which 2300 01:56:08.520 --> 01:56:13.920 is a great next step, people like cinematographers, an actor 2301 01:56:14.119 --> 01:56:15.760 and so things like that. So we're really just in 2302 01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:19.960 that realm. But then we also have another a feature 2303 01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:22.479 that is kind of doing things right now. 2304 01:56:22.680 --> 01:56:27.039 So you've retired, you guys, and you think about directing 2305 01:56:27.079 --> 01:56:28.600 it to oh yeah, for. 2306 01:56:28.680 --> 01:56:31.560 That particular one, we want to just direct, write, and 2307 01:56:31.640 --> 01:56:33.279 direct that and not be in it at all or 2308 01:56:33.319 --> 01:56:33.800 anything like that. 2309 01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:34.399 That's great. 2310 01:56:35.159 --> 01:56:37.720 So you know, it's funny you always think, you do think, okay, 2311 01:56:37.960 --> 01:56:39.640 the short film will be easy to do first, but 2312 01:56:39.720 --> 01:56:42.079 then when stuffs happening with this other

project, I'm like, oh, 2313 01:56:42.199 --> 01:56:43.840 maybe we'll just be able to go. So you never know, 2314 01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:47.560 it just whatever goes first, you always plan for. John 2315 01:56:47.600 --> 01:56:49.119 Lennon has a great quote, this would be a great 2316 01:56:49.199 --> 01:56:52.800 place to end actually, and I have it on my patio, 2317 01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:55.319 but we're working on this short film and now stuff 2318 01:56:55.399 --> 01:56:58.319 is happening with this feature. And John Lennon's quote is 2319 01:56:59.319 --> 01:57:01.760 life is what happens to you whilst you're busy making 2320 01:57:01.840 --> 01:57:04.479 other plans. Yes, And I think that's so true. That's 2321 01:57:04.479 --> 01:57:06.079 why you just got to go with the flow and 2322 01:57:06.359 --> 01:57:08.760 just like always be open to whatever door's opening first 2323 01:57:08.800 --> 01:57:10.880 and just run through that one. So that's the place 2324 01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:11.520 for him right now. 2325 01:57:12.119 --> 01:57:14.560 I love that and I'm excited for you guys. I 2326 01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:17.600 can't wait to see it. And I also just in 2327 01:57:17.720 --> 01:57:21.319 that mindset. I you know, people going on this journey 2328 01:57:21.399 --> 01:57:23.479 this whole year twenty twenty five, I've been doing my 2329 01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:27.800 celebrating Superman series. I've ruined my podcast for the sake 2330 01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:31.119 of my love Superman, and I've been you know, people 2331 01:57:31.199 --> 01:57:31.960 were like, where does it? 2332 01:57:32.039 --> 01:57:32.600 What do you end? 2333 01:57:32.680 --> 01:57:34.800 How do you end the year? And I'm like, I 2334 01:57:34.840 --> 01:57:36.840 don't know, Like it would be great to talk to 2335 01:57:36.960 --> 01:57:39.399 James David, you know, it's like ended on, like talk 2336 01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:43.159 to the architect behind everything. But I'll be completely honest, 2337 01:57:43.239 --> 01:57:46.119 while you know, life is life is what happens to 2338 01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:50.000 you when you're busy making other plans. I mean James Gunn, 2339 01:57:50.680 --> 01:57:53.199 David Cornswet. They weren't in a Richard link Later movie. 2340 01:57:53.239 --> 01:57:56.560 They didn't play John Lennon. Jonah. I think this is 2341 01:57:56.680 --> 01:58:01.720 the perfect way to end the celebrating Superman series because 2342 01:58:01.840 --> 01:58:04.079 of you. Like I said, you fixed it, You fixed 2343 01:58:04.119 --> 01:58:07.159 my podcast, you brought it all together, you combined all 2344 01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:09.560 of my favorite things. You're the only one who could 2345 01:58:09.560 --> 01:58:13.159 have done it. So I am so grateful and appreciative 2346 01:58:13.520 --> 01:58:16.039 to you for hanging out and for being so awesome. 2347 01:58:16.600 --> 01:58:19.079 Thank you, Sean. I I really enjoyed it. 2348 01:58:19.199 --> 01:58:19.520 I could. 2349 01:58:19.800 --> 01:58:21.359 I feel like we could just go for another. 2350 01:58:23.239 --> 01:58:25.600 We gotta we gotta stop, we gotta stop. We're turning 2351 01:58:25.640 --> 01:58:28.359 into the Hobbit. It's like we're splitting one podcast. 2352 01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:31.479 In the three three hour it was cheerly Julianana, thank 2353 01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:32.119 you for having me.