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apologized profusely. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to offend him. I was just trying to pay a compliment. He blocked me, so I can't apologize to him directly, but so be it. I'm very, very sorry. I went to bed thinking maybe it will blow over. I wake up in the morning, almost a million views or engagements, people flipping out, and mostly bagging on him, saying how ungrateful he was. It was a compliment. Mike didn't even say where the event was or who it was. Anyway, then I thought, oh my gosh, I've made this thing worse. So then I deleted the apology. And I basically said, some final thoughts on this. Number one, I'm not very good at this. I don't do this for clicks or engagements. I didn't mean to rub the guy the wrong way. I'm, you know, You don't need to post everything that comes into your head. And finally, I'm still very, very sorry. And believe it or not, it finally kind of blew over. And some people wrote about it. There's an article out there about it. You can find it. I am very sorry. I did not mean to offend him, obviously. I feel terrible about it. I also feel terrible for the family. I reached out to them. They're fine. They didn't, they, they were, they said, Hey, don't give it a second thought. We love that you came out to California for the service, but it was, it's rough. It's, and it's rough to be in the middle of it. It's an awful feeling because you just feel helpless and nothing you can do. There's no grace on social media at all. Nobody has any nuance. There's some woman that's been bagging on me for 30 years from Albany, she gets involved and she started ripping on me, making up, just saying terrible things about me. But for the most part, people were mad at him for not taking a compliment. Look, when you're 95, you're a legend. You get whatever you can feel, whatever you want to feel. And I'm just deeply, deeply sorry that the whole thing unfolded. So that's enough of that. Let's dive in to President Trump. Let's dive in to what people are screaming is amnesty. People are really, really upset at the notion that there could be any path for anyone. And again, I'm going to assert to you that what Trump said on 60 Minutes is what people have been saying, our people, our side, quietly for a couple of years now. Gee, do we really want to deport Carmelita? The loving mother and grandmother who's been here 25 years, who hasn't done anything wrong except for the original crime of coming into the country illegally, that's what people say. And these are the staunchest Trump supporters I know. So you ignore them at your own peril. You ignore the outcome of the election at your own peril. But Trump is clearly pivoting. Here's what he said to Ross Douthat about how people on, as he put it, on the pretty far right who work at the White House want mass deportation. They want everybody out, including Carmelita. 00:07:44 Speaker 1: It's tough. 00:07:45 Speaker 2: It's a tough thing. 00:07:46 Speaker 3: But there's a group of people that I would say on the sort of pretty far right. That would like everybody taken out. 00:07:54 Speaker 4: Do any of those people work in your administration? Are they in the building with us right now? 00:07:59 Speaker 5: No, no. 00:07:59 Speaker 3: Well, there are a lot of those people. Then there's also people that are more modified on that. 00:08:04 Speaker 2: In other words, get the killers out. 00:08:05 Speaker 3: Get all the rough ones out. 00:08:07 Speaker 1: Get the drug dealers out. 00:08:09 Speaker 3: But let the people that are here, and in some cases here for 10 and 15 years, work a deal for them. 00:08:16 Speaker 4: Do you think the Democratic Party right now has people in it Who would be interested in this kind of deal? 00:08:23 Speaker 2: I think so, yeah. People have already called me. Okay. I got to turn it over to you here in the Relief Factor studios. 800-655-MIKE. I'll get the ball rolling. I trust Trump. If you're going to turn on him, that's your prerogative. If you're upset about it, if you don't like this pivot, I get it. I understand it. I know what the concerns are. There are millions of people who are here illegally. They shouldn't be here. But what do we do with the people who have been here many, many years who are, frankly, productive members of society? You want them kicked out? Again, I understand mass deportation means mass deportation. But when you talk about the bad hombres, you're not talking about Carmelita. Or are you? Now, I want a ton of voices on this. I want you to blow up my phones on this, because I want to get a really good cross-sampling of American perspectives on this remarkable, epic pivot by President Trump on the issue of immigration. I hope you join us. Grab a line, 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. The MyPillow text line, same number, 800-655-MIKE. Your call, your reaction, your perspective, coming up. 00:09:48 Speaker 6: Whatever I can, be it early morning, late afternoon, or at midnight, it's never too soon to want to please. 00:10:00 Speaker 7: Sure. 00:10:15 Speaker 1: Take Mike with you 24-7 for the Eminem Extra Podcast and Mike Gallagher Show. Text PODCAST to 800-655-MIKE. 00:10:25 Speaker 8: 800-655-6453. 00:10:26 Speaker 1: It's going to be. 00:10:32 Speaker 2: A big week on Capitol Hill. And you know what? These Republicans, I don't know if they have the stomach. I don't know if they have the guts. I don't know if they have the intestinal fortitude. to do the right thing, John Thune's got to go. I mean, unless John Thune suddenly has a come-to-Jesus moment and realizes we better get the Save America Act passed so that Trump can enact his legislation before the Democrats take over in January, I just don't know. I don't trust him. I don't believe in him. I don't... I mean, look, they're going to have... Here's what Benny Johnson posted on X about the week. He says he's talked to various Republican senators over the weekend. He said a few takeaways. Number one, the conference is just furious. Pissed

is an understatement. Two, they see their own inaction on critical issues like the SAVE Act and insider trading bills as a major demotivator for the midterms. They blame John Thune and leadership for playing it safe. Three, the rushed leadership vote tomorrow is seen as a blatant insult. Senators want to know how their leaders will respond to the lame duck session and being in a steep minority. And it is a steep minority. You cannot, and I think Trump is acknowledging this reality, you can't minimize, you cannot ignore the enormity of what happened last week. So elections have consequences. And the Republicans got their butts whipped. Republicans lost just about every demographic. Hispanics, young people, seniors, and certainly red states. There's a great story out of Florida, but don't kid yourself. Ashley Moody, Byron Donalds, They barely won. There was no landslide in Florida. This blue wave has now led to, I think I saw over the weekend, 70% of America is now under Democrat Party rule. 70%. Overnight. This used to be a red, red map in America with some blue little pockets of the big cities like New York and Chicago and Los Angeles. No more. Mississippi, Kansas, Texas. And this is hard to acknowledge. It pains me to say this out loud. We're not going to pretend it didn't happen. We can't. Trump's not going to pretend it didn't happen. He won't. Do you trust him? Do you believe in him? Or are you going to stop believing in him now that he said what he said last night on 60 Minutes? Benny's Post goes on to say, over a dozen senators are demanding round-the-clock work on Trump nominations and judicial appointments. Some believe parts of the SAVE Act can still be passed through reconciliation. That's what Senator Marsha Blackburn said, the Tennessee governor-elect, last night on Fox News Channel. 00:14:10 Speaker 5: My no-fakes bill, which protects our creators and intellectual property holders from intellectual property theft, name, image, likeness, voice. I have my Kids Online Safety Act. We've got the farm bill, the NDAA. And we have that third reconciliation bill that we need to get across the finish line. And there are so many things that we need to get done. 00:14:37 Speaker 1: And buttoned up. 00:14:37 Speaker 5: And, of course, President Trump's appointments with judges and U.S. attorneys and U.S. marshals, we need to get these finished. 00:14:47 Speaker 2: She's right. She's absolutely right. Governor-elect Blackburn, 100 percent correct. Benny said that based on conversations he's had with Republican senators, recess appointments are being demanded, but Thune is holding them up. Shocker. Senators are openly questioning their adherence to tradition, blue slip, filibuster, etc., as a new crop of Democrats couldn't care less and will destroy tradition for power in a heartbeat. And finally, he says there's a sense that something big is going to happen. It's a real shake-up. One Senator said, told Benny Johnson, the guys blocking an America First conference are all gone now. It's never going back to the old ways. Time to try new things. Well, if President Trump is to believe, to be believed, one of the new things they're going to try is crafting a deal with the Democrats to give a pathway to residency in America. for potentially millions of illegals who are not the bad hombres, not the worst of the worst. Again, you're going to be mad at me for saying it, but it's the truth. What Trump said last night out loud on 60 Minutes about immigration is what my fellow Trump supporters have been saying quietly and privately for two years. I had a long conversation with somebody who's got MAGA in his blood. He's got more Trump paraphernalia in his house than even the Oval Office. And he said, Americans don't like seeing people who have done nothing wrong after they originally, I always got to give that caveat, broke the law and come in here illegally, but they're not criminals who have committed crimes Numerous crimes. They've kept their head down. They've worked. They've raised their family. Everybody knows somebody like that. And Americans don't have a stomach for deporting People like that. That's the dirty little unspoken, quietly said thing. You know, there's lots of podcasters and influencers and broadcasters and writers with sharp elbows. Kick them all out. And I admit, I believe in the rule of law. And I understand mass deportation. I believe there was an expectation that that mass deportation meant People who are engaged in ongoing criminal activity. Not people who have kept their nose clean for years. And again, I'm telling you, it's a reality that I think this president is starting to see. And it's got people fired up. And I get it. 800-655-MIKE. Susan's in Tennessee. Hey, Susan, welcome. You're up on the Mike Gallagher Show. How are you today? 00:18:19 Speaker 9: I'm fine. I kind of wish our side would... How are you? 00:18:22 Speaker 10: I'm good. 00:18:23 Speaker 2: I'm good. Appreciate your call. 00:18:24 Speaker 4: That's good. 00:18:25 Speaker 10: That's good. 00:18:26 Speaker 9: I wish that our side would be better at messaging because how is it that Trump is the only president that supposedly sent back people who have been here for a long time? Because my daughter's best friend in Portland, when Obama was president, got sent back to Philippines or something. He got here when he was seven. He became an engineer. He had worked for a living. He did not speak the language, and he got booted out by Obama. So how come we don't say that? This happens. This is what we're supposed to do. And I think Reagan got hoodwinked by the by the Democrats. And I'm just, I'm just like, I'm done with it. I'm done with it. Cause they never stop. They never actually stop the people from coming in. 00:19:10 Speaker 11: Yeah. 00:19:13 Speaker 2: It's a good argument. It's a good argument, but let me just, let me pose this question to you and let me, let me play devil's advocate. Cause I've always

felt the way you feel and I'm, I'm, I'm with you. I'm so don't, don't get me the wrong way. You saw what happened last Tuesday, right? Yes. President Trump believes that what happened last Tuesday was at least in part due to his too tough immigration mass deportation policy. Now, you may not agree with him, but let's just say for argument's sake, he's right. If he's right, Susan, we've got to make some kind of a pivot, or we may never win another election. We'll get wiped out in 2028. What if we lose the White House in 2028? 00:19:56 Speaker 9: What happens to the... So we let these people stand. They have babies. Are their babies going to be citizens? 00:20:02 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:20:03 Speaker 9: And then it will never stop. It's been like this since I've been alive. 00:20:08 Speaker 2: I understand. 00:20:08 Speaker 9: I remember forever. 00:20:12 Speaker 2: But you're not answering my question. You've got a position that I agree with. But if that belief that you and I have prevents us from ever winning another election, do we have to pivot? I mean, do we just let the country get turned over to the Democrats for the rest of our lives? 00:20:32 Speaker 9: How about the Republicans do what they're supposed to do, like Thune and the SAVE Act and the other things? Because Trump would have won, and they would have won if they had done it. 00:20:43 Speaker 2: I know. You're so right. And believe me, I know that you're completely correct about that. That's why Thune's got to go. And that's why it's going to be fascinating to watch what happens this week on Capitol Hill. 800-655-MIKE. Look, there is a new day dawning, and it's hard. Change is hard. This pivot and Trump is pivoting. And don't worry. Stick around. We're going to play a whole bunch of the 60-minute segment coming up on the show so you can hear. He talked about his faith. He talked about being able to forgive his enemies or not. It was a side of Trump. that is rarely seen. He actually came across, to a large degree, as being humble. I know. 00:21:29 Speaker 5: I know. 00:21:31 Speaker 2: Pretty wild. Some breaking news out of the UK. Comedian Russell Brand has been sentenced to 10 years and six months over rape and sexual assault charges over in the UK. Even Elon Musk weighed in that it was going to be, that's too harsh a sentence. But a guy that many believe is being targeted because of his anti-woke beliefs these days. Um, look, I had an unpleasant experience on social media over the weekend. Maybe you followed it. Uh, I know somebody wrote an article about it and you can find it online if you want, but I'm going to tell you kind of what happened and give you my perspective and sort of clear the air a little bit over me, um, rubbing a Hollywood legend the wrong way. A guy who was annoyed with something I posted on X. I tried to do some Damage control and apology. And, boy, it did not go well. Tell you all about that coming up. 00:22:33 Speaker 8: I've got two tickets. 00:22:36 Speaker 1:

In my pocket now, baby. 00:22:38 Speaker 8: I'm going to listen to you. 00:22:51 Speaker 1: Mike Gallagher. 00:22:53 Speaker 2: Somebody just posted over on X, making John Thune leader of the Senate was a huge mistake. He cost us the midterms. I'm hard-pressed to disagree with that. There is some breaking news. Indiana Senator Jim Banks announced he's blocking the effort to re-elect Thune tomorrow as the Senate GOP leader. There's at least now six Republican senators publicly on board. Ron Johnson is leading the push. Mike Lee from Utah, Rick Scott in Florida, John Kennedy, Louisiana, Dave McCormick from Pennsylvania, and now Senator Banks. So, look, there definitely has to be a change of leadership. They're trying to shove an election on leadership tomorrow, and they need some time. I don't think they're kicking the can down the road. I think they just don't want to have it shoved down their throats. All right, let's get to the part of the 60 Minutes interview that everybody's been talking about, President Trump and the seeming effort to pivot away from the mass deportation policy, which includes people who have been here for years, who've done nothing wrong while they've been here, being sort of productive members of society. That's the narrative anyway. And here's how that all played out last night on CBS's 60 Minutes. 00:24:25 Speaker 4: One thing you would like to work with a Democratic majority on? 00:24:28 Speaker 2: I'd love to do something on immigration. 00:24:31 Speaker 9: What? 00:24:31 Speaker 2: Because, well, so. 00:24:34 Speaker 4: Do you think immigration hurt you in the midterm? Do you think the crackdown hurt you? 00:24:37 Speaker 3: I think it both helped and hurt. I think I got an A-plus for closing up the border. I get very high marks for getting the bad ones out. But I get hurt because... We also took people that had good jobs that created one violation or breaking of the law, and that was that they came into the country illegally. Now, there is a large part of the country that think that they should be put out, and there's a large part of the country that think that they should be allowed to stay if they're good people working in a landscaping company or working in a hotel or doing something, right? And... In some cases, paying taxes. And there's a large group of people think that they should be allowed to stay. 00:25:18 Speaker 4: So you think your deportation policy went too far? 00:25:20 Speaker 1: I think it was too tough. It was too tough. 00:25:22 Speaker 3: I think it might be too tough, yeah. 00:25:23 Speaker 1: What would happen? 00:25:24 Speaker 4: What does the deal look like with the Democrats? 00:25:26 Speaker 1: I think ultimately that hurt me. 00:25:27 Speaker 3: Well, the deal would be we would work something out. And I think it's something, I think that's something that's actually doable. 00:25:33 Speaker 4: Doable to create some kind of legal status for the landscapers? 00:25:37 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:25:38

Speaker 3: When you go into a hotel... And you have a woman that's worked there as a, you know, as a maid, as a cleaner, as a this, as a that, as a waitress, a lot of good things. 00:25:47 Speaker 2: Great job. And all of a. 00:25:49 Speaker 3: Sudden they're being taken out of the country. 00:25:52 Speaker 1: It's tough. 00:25:52 Speaker 3: It's a tough thing. But there's a group of people that I would say on the. sort of pretty far right, that would like everybody taken out. 00:26:02 Speaker 4: Do any of those people work in your administration? Are they in the building with us right now? 00:26:06 Speaker 3: No, no. Well, there are a lot of those people. Then there's also people that are more modified on that. In other words, get the killers out, get all the rough ones out, get the drug dealers out, but let the people that are here, and in some cases here for 10 and 15 years, Work a deal for them. 00:26:23 Speaker 4: Do you think the Democratic Party right now has people in it who would be interested in this kind of deal? 00:26:30 Speaker 2: I think so, yeah. People have already called me. Okay, there it is. Let's go. 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. Joe's in Virginia. Hello, Joe. 00:26:42 Speaker 11: Hello, Mike. Thank you so much for taking my call. I just want to commend you today. You've taken my call before. I am a Democrat. and you've allowed me to speak, and you've been very kind. What you're saying today is completely spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. a case that the Republicans need to really do something in the next two months to get it done. 00:27:03 Speaker 3: I agree. 00:27:03 Speaker 11: I agree that Biden led in a bunch of illegal immigration, and a lot of this problem was created by the Democrats. I think Democrats need to sort of take an honest look at it. And can you imagine, Mike, if the Democrats, even before January comes and they switch to the newly people that were elected, if the Democrats in the next two months This president was showing last night that he is willing to work on the issues that the voters spoke the loudest about. And for those Democrats out there that hate this guy and don't think he's flexible, that door was open. And it's up to the Democrats to show good faith. And if they could show good faith now, right now, before this so-called lame duck session is over... and compromise with this president, it would make an amazing difference for the American people after January. 00:27:52 Speaker 2: Well, of course, you do realize that as a Democrat, you being approving of his interview last night is probably the kiss of death. You understand. People are going to say, oh, see, Joe, the Democrat likes it. 00:28:04 Speaker 3: No. 00:28:05 Speaker 2: You know, I think there's a place where you've got to acknowledge there's a reckoning over last week. Your side won in a huge way. Elections do have consequences. And is there room for a conversation between Republicans and Democrats for comprehensive immigration reform? You know, Joe, we hear that phrase over and over again. And yet, you know, to people, a lot of people on my side, the only answer is kick them all out, every one of them. And that, it sounds to me, is a bridge too far now for this president, at least in the of what he said last night on 60 Minutes. Thanks, Joe. I always enjoy talking to you. 800-655-MIKE. Maria is in Georgia. Hi, Maria. Welcome. 00:28:54 Speaker 7: Hi. 00:28:56 Speaker 12: Well, I believe that I support Donald Trump all the way. He did the right thing, but I believe if he helped the illegals to get the paperwork, the Democrats, they're going to take all the credit. Like Biden, he was the president. They cheated all the way. And I believe last week they cheated again. And I believe a lot of illegals, they bought it last week. 00:29:27 Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, Maria, he's still the president for two more years. And he's, whether they're going to give him credit or blame, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. Ultimately, what he's saying is we've got to have some kind of a pathway for people who've been here for years who aren't the so-called bad hombres. And that's something that I think a lot of people, including Joe, the Democrat, think was a pretty good idea. And frankly, there's a whole lot of Republicans who think that that's smart, too, in the aftermath of what happened last week. They may not want to say it very loudly, but but that's again, Tuesday was a shellacking and you can't stick your head in the sand. 00:30:07 Speaker 7: But that interview in 60 Minutes, I heard you play this morning that day. interviewer badgered him you hate them you hate them and he kept interrupting. 00:30:20 Speaker 2: No no he would no he was fine no he was. 00:30:24 Speaker 7: Fine no he did fine he did fine he did fine i dislike intensely no and trump i but interrupted and as far as the illegal. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: Nah, he was fine, Leslie. I mean, I get it. You don't like anybody challenging President Trump, and that's all right. I mean, he's been treated terribly by the media. I don't think even Trump would believe he was treated badly by Ross Douthat. The guy did a masterful job. He was tough, but he was respectful. Yeah, he was probing, and he challenged Trump This president doesn't mind being challenged. This is not a guy who's afraid of somebody, you know, making, forcing him to make his point. He did fine. He just did fine. Again, there's a lot of people who just have absolutely no wiggle room when it comes to Trump being challenged that way. But if you saw the whole thing, no, I don't think that's reasonable. We'll have to agree to disagree, Leslie, but I appreciate it. Thanks. 00:31:30 Speaker 9: 800-655-MIKE. 00:31:30 Speaker 2: Let's see what happens. 00:31:53 Speaker 1: Take Mike with you 24-7 for the Eminem Extra Podcast and Mike Gallagher Show. Text PODCAST to 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. Some breaking news out of London. 00:32:10 Speaker 2: They threw the book

at that British comedian who became sort of known for his anti-woke podcasts. Russell Brand was sentenced moments ago to 10 years and six months in prison. He was convicted of raping a fan and assaulting three women during his showbiz career. A lot of drama being played out online over this. The accusation that he's being targeted because he's anti-woke. You know, a lot of people got away with horrific things with the Epstein files and Epstein Island. But in Great Britain, boy, they have a whole different way of dispensing what they call justice. And there's a big suspicion, even Elon Musk, I think, has condemned a lengthy sentence. But they, again, they threw the book at him, gave him over a decade in prison. I wish I could understand smart people's who exhibit incredible cruelty. I saw a statement from Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow on social media, who wrote, to see leftist podcasters, comedians, and commentators laugh about political assassination as though it's entertainment and the destruction of a human life is a punchline is beyond disgusting. My husband, Charlie Kirk, was killed in an act of political violence and something our two children and I will live with every day for the rest of our lives. A culture that laughs at assassination is one of profound moral decay. She writes, it threatens the very foundation of our country and the principles that hold our democracy together. You don't have to agree with someone's politics to recognize the value of their life. This should not be so hard. Political violence must never be something this country tolerates. excuses, or celebrates. And I would add, or laugh at, make it a punchline at a stand-up routine at Madison Square Garden. Dave Chappelle is a smart guy. Nobody's going to accuse him of being the village idiot. He's kind of cerebral in his comedy, but he's a comic. He's paid to stand up and tell jokes, and I guess provide commentary. And he said something over the weekend at Madison Square Garden at New York City that leaves me completely confounded, just knowing how smart he is. Now, apparently they don't want you to take your cell phones out at these kind of stand-up events, but it's Madison Square Garden, and plenty of people had their cameras out, And they captured him on tape joking about this. 00:35:19 Speaker 6: I feel f * * * ed saying this. 00:35:21 Speaker 2: It's scary being a public speaker. And I mean, look, ever since that guy, Charlie Kirk, got murdered, and I shouldn't say this publicly, but It's just a feeling. He just felt better after somebody put a bullet in Charlie's neck. He just felt better. And he went on to say, you know, I'd be driving down the street and I'd be, you know, thinking about it. Just feel good. Just feel good about this young husband and father being assassinated on a college campus because of his views. Now, again, I'm giving this a lot of thought because I don't believe for one minute that Dave Chappelle is a dummy. He evidently has a darkness of some kind in his soul and in his heart. You think he'd say that to Erica in person? Would you say to a widow whose husband was brutally murdered... Yeah, I feel pretty good that your husband got killed. Would you tell her that face to face? I mean, not a whole lot of difference between the enormity of saying that to her face or thousands and thousands of people at Madison Square Garden. So for the life of me, I don't get it. For the life of me, I can't understand even the mindset that would lead somebody like comedian Dave Chappelle to say such a thing. But maybe you can help me understand it. Maybe you can help me make sense of the cruelty behind such a reprehensible thing to say. Maybe you can do that. I don't know. 800-655-MIKE. 21 minutes before the hour. Give me a perspective that helps me understand what would lead Dave Chappelle to say, I feel better that Charlie Kirk was killed. I'm glad somebody took him out. He has to know what a target that puts on anybody's back who says controversial things. There were people who were livid at many of the things that Dave Chappelle has said. And if a violent person decides that Dave Chappelle needs to be murdered, in what society would that be okay? It's not okay. You could say, I hated everything that Charlie Kirk stood for. I disagreed with everything he did. I didn't like his movement. I didn't like his energy. But I sure can't celebrate his murder. I sure don't think that's all right. I don't think we can go around killing people that we disagree with. But in a sense, a guy like Dave Chappelle just made it open season on anybody who thinks that it's okay to kill somebody that you disagree with. And I do not get it. I do not understand it. Maybe you do. I hope you'll help me see what Dave Chappelle was trying to accomplish there. Because I'm blown away by this. And I looked, and by the way, I went to the whole video thing and wanted to see if it was out of context, you know, because things sometimes can be, a video clip can go viral. It's not out of context. There wasn't any I didn't really mean it. I'm just kidding. I don't feel glad that he was killed. No, he said he feels glad that he was killed. 800-655-MIKE. Kyle in Phoenix, Arizona is back. Hey, Kyle, welcome back. How are you? 00:40:04 Speaker 10: Hey, Mike, doing well. Yes, don't condone it, but I would give a perspective as a Christian to a fellow Christian that There are times where there's wickedness and God brings judgment through death. I would never condone murder. But certain people die, like Jezebel in the Bible or Hitler, and I do think that you and I would say they had an opportunity to repent over and over again, grace, maybe witness from others, and the Lord brought judgment through their death. I don't believe that's true for Charlie Kirk because I don't think he was wicked in any way. But there is a way in which our view of God's justice and providence does bring death. I would never condone it. I would never say murder.

00:40:41 Speaker 2: It's so funny. It's like you're Jekyll and Hyde in your contrarian argument. I know you and I have argued many times before. You've called the show a lot. You keep pretending to say you don't condone something that you turn around and condone. Which is it? Do you condone it or don't you? 00:40:59 Speaker 10: Was it right for God to bring the flood when man's wickedness was so evil? We would not condone it. We'd say, God, you were wrong. You shouldn't have brought the flood. 00:41:05 Speaker 1: Right. 00:41:06 Speaker 2: We're talking about a guy who put a bullet in another man's neck, and you know it. We're not talking about the Old Testament. We're not talking about God and Jezebel. We're talking about Charlie. We're talking about Charlie Kirk being murdered, and you're pretending— to be a little holier than thou, and you're saying, I don't condone this. However, look at you crazy conservatives. You're pro-death penalty, right? No, no, no. 00:41:36 Speaker 10: I am a conservative. 00:41:38 Speaker 2: I am a conservative. You just said, you just said, you just brought up the death penalty as if that has anything to do with Charlie Kirk's murder. It doesn't. It doesn't. 00:41:46 Speaker 10: You asked someone to share perspective. I'm trying to get, you know, from his mind, from Dave Chappelle's mind, who is an unbeliever, He's going to condone this. From you and I, we won't. But in our own belief, we will rejoice when the wicked die. 00:42:00 Speaker 2: We will. 00:42:01 Speaker 10: Not from murder, not from ourselves putting, but from God bringing that justice. 00:42:05 Speaker 2: So again, you're doing the both sides argument here. We know that Charlie Kirk wasn't wicked. So you're trying to say that Dave Chappelle, evidently, who once defended and expressed shock at Charlie's assassination a year or so ago, he was on stage. shortly after and said it was awful and terrible and anybody in public life should be concerned about it but now he's saying he's glad he was murdered you're suggesting that he said you're you're well then say it don't give me any crap about the old testament you know this is the thing about i got i got to just pull the curtain back kyle calls all the time this is what i mean about chronic callers there are people that just want to hear their voices on the radio and i appreciate that But you just want to argue just to say things without even really having any conviction of what you believe. There's no way to compare the death penalty or the Old Testament or the book of Ezekiel to what happened to Charlie Kirk. So you've got to just stop. The people who rejoice in the death of others, Kyle, are the wicked ones. The wickedness comes from anybody. And I said that about people on our side who took any joy away. and you barely saw it, but when Gabby Giffords was shot and nearly killed, this poor woman was disfigured and crippled for life. What a horrible act. Political violence is horrendous no matter who is the victim. It's just hard to believe that this now has become acceptable in any way, shape, or form. And sorry, Mike, chronic caller friend, Kyle, you're not particularly helpful. Marshall in Texas. Hey, Marshall, welcome to the show. How are you? 00:43:57 Speaker 13: Hey, Mike, what's worse, two podcasters making comments or the president of the U.S. dancing on the graves of Robert Mueller and And Rob Reiner. 00:44:08 Speaker 2: It was awful. It was awful. And that's why I said it. You were very vocal about it, right? I was. I got a lot of flack for it. I got a lot of flack for pointing out how awful it was. And you're a troll, and that's okay. But I don't mind as a troll me telling, reminding this audience that I didn't like it at all. And I did speak out against it. The day after Rob Reiner was killed, it was it was awful. It should never be done, period. Here's Kathy in Delaware. Hey, Kathy, you're on the show. 00:44:44 Speaker 14: I just want to say one thing. What if I said or someone said they wanted to put a bullet in Dave Chappelle's head? I cried for days when John F. Kennedy was shot, when Robert Kennedy was shot, when Martin Luther King was shot. I cried for days. And now we hear this and we say— we make a joke out of it. What has happened to society, citizens of the United States, to be able to stand up on a stage— and say horrible things about a good man. If I said something like that about someone else, I'd like to put a bullet in their neck or their head. What would happen to Kathy from Lewis? I would be disgraced. But that man was able to do it. He is a disgrace to society. Thank you very much, Mike. 00:45:34 Speaker 2: Thanks, Kathy. One open line, 800-655-MIKE. The truth is, There had to be a conscientious decision. Again, this is not a stupid guy. So what leads, what's the environment, what's the climate that would lead him to think that would be all right? What's the thinking behind it? That's all I'd love to know. And if you've got some ideas, what could lead Dave Chappelle to think that in front of an arena full of people, you could say, I'm glad that Charlie was killed? What emboldens him to think that would be okay? 00:46:08 Speaker 1: Mike Gallagher.