บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Dr. Jonathan Reed May 23rd 2026 with Co-Host Dr. J From Dr. J Radio Live.

position, working exclusively with kids, 69 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.519 and a job that I loved. I had gone to 70 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:51.199 several different universities, graduating with several different degrees, and I'm 71 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:58.399 essentially in nineteen ninety six having worked for over fifteen years. 72 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:02.560 I loved my job. I had the American dream as 73 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:06.800 far as I was concerned, and everything seemed to be 74 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.680 good in my life. Well, on this day, I took 75 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:15.480 my dog, Susie, a Golden Retriever who was literally my 76 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:21.639 companion night and day. She loved to interact with other people. 77 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:25.000 I took her to work with me. She loved patience. 78 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:29.959 On this day, we got in my jeep in mid 79 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.800 morning and headed to the mountains where we had been before, 80 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:39.199 where there was a logging trail, an old woods logging 81 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.600 trail that had overgrown but provided a great place to 82 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:47.079 let your dog off the leash and run and have fun. 83 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.839 And being that this was early October. It was still 84 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:57.040 warm in the sunshine, and the leaves were turning to golden, 85 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:01.720 and so we were out walking in a place that 86 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:07.000 we had been to many times before, seeing deer and 87 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:15.800 raccoons and squirrels and wildlife that saturated this area. This 88 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:22.199 was in the upper part of the Cascade Mountains near 89 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:27.160 Snowqualmie Pass, so it was frequented by many people, but 90 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:31.920 at this time of the year less less people, so 91 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:33.920 it may have been one of the last times we 92 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.360 could go before the snow in this area. Snow is 93 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:43.120 between eight to ten feet each year, which makes this 94 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:48.800 unaccessible for about three to four months. So we enjoyed 95 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:53.800 being there. We enjoyed running off the leaf, letting Susie 96 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:58.759 be in the natural state. Being just a crazy dog 97 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:01.839 as she was. She'd love to run and bark and 98 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:07.759 play and run back and very obedient, very gentle animal, 99 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:13.279 well trained, and just just a delight to have. Anyway, 100 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.160 on this day we were we parked, my jeep, got out, 101 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:23.800 started walking and walked for about an hour to the 102 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:29.560 location where she took off running, which wasn't uncommon, and 103 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:34.080 started barking and chasing something. I didn't know what I 104 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:38.200 couldn't see her. There's a lot of underbrush, a lot 105 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:42.080 of hills and valleys, but this wasn't unusual, and she'd 106 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:47.279 come running back happily after treeing whatever she was running after, 107 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:52.440 whatever it could be. But on this occasion, her barking 108 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:58.159 started to change. And if you know your dog's voice 109 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:03.279 and your accustomed to them, you understand the difference between 110 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:08.279 playful barking and aggressive sounding barking. And this started to 111 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:12.879 sound aggressive, like she was in a conflict, possibly with 112 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:18.519 a wildcat or a small beer, which frequent this area 113 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:23.919 all the time. So I quickly tried to locate her, 114 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:29.039 called her name several times she didn't come, which was 115 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:34.000 very unusual. I set my daypack down on the ground 116 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:38.519 and picked up a broken tree branch which was about 117 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:42.360 five feet long and about the size of a large 118 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:45.960 baseball bat. And I did that because I thought I 119 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:51.519 might have to untangle her if she was in amongst 120 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:56.320 some other wild creature, just to separate her from this situation. 121 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:00.960 But again I still couldn't see her yet because the underbrush, 122 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.279 and I kept calling her name and hearing her barking, 123 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:12.679 which at this point became very very aware that she 124 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.799 was in some kind of trouble, which was unusual because 125 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:20.720 she normally wouldn't be aggressive at all. But I could 126 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:26.080 hear her starting to yelp, as if she was caught 127 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:29.240 in a situation she couldn't get out of. So I 128 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:33.399 ran for the sound. I ran toward the sound, trying 129 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.759 to figure out where she was. And I ran up 130 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:43.320 this hill and I jumped down through the underbrush. And 131 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:49.320 as I did this, I landed within I would say 132 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:55.559 four to five feet confronted with this creature, this small. 133 00:10:57.039 --> 00:11:00.399 It was dark because of the overhead canopy, and this 134 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:04.720 was mid afternoon. I couldn't clearly see what it was 135 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.399 because it was moving so fast. It was a blur. 136 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.559 It was moving like a paint shaker, shaking back and

forth. 137 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.639 And then I realized what I was looking at is 138 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:19.399 this creature was throwing my dog over its head, back 139 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:23.440 and forth, back and forth, numerous times, so fast that 140 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:27.320 I could not clearly see it other than this blur. 141 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:33.559 I ran forward. As I ran forward, this thing started 142 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:38.000 to kill my dog, tearing at her throat in her head, 143 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:43.200 literally ripping it apart. It was a terrible, terrible thing 144 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:47.759 to see. I went into a rage. I grabbed the 145 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:51.440 branch that I had in my hands, and I swung 146 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:56.240 it as hard as I could, trying to stop this action, 147 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:01.720 and I hit the creature in the head, in the back, 148 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.240 the side of its head, splitting its head open, knocking 149 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:12.080 it to the ground. Instantly, the scene totally came to 150 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:16.919 a stop. There was no sound, There was no sound 151 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.039 of the air or any of the things that happened 152 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:23.600 in the forest normally. And I fell to the ground 153 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:28.360 two not three feet next to this creature that was 154 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:33.799 bleeding profusely on the ground. I was sick. I was 155 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:38.000 violently sick at this moment, as if something had hit 156 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:43.440 me at the same exact moment, but I was I 157 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:47.159 had no bowel control, I had no bladder control. I 158 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:52.279 was throwing up. I was gasping for air, and I 159 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.039 couldn't understand why this was happening. I could barely move 160 00:12:56.279 --> 00:13:00.600 off the ground. I was on my stomach on the ground, 161 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:05.759 unable to get up. My muscle tone was gone, and 162 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.639 I didn't know what was happening. I was afraid. I 163 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:13.519 was afraid that I was going to die because of 164 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:18.039 this feeling. So this is how it first started. This 165 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:24.559 is how this event first started. And in the reality 166 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.519 of it. I sat there for a long time before 167 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:34.200 I could even get up, and I thought something had 168 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:39.440 impacted me as well, because it felt like almost like 169 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:44.879 radiation sickness if anybody knows what that is, but profoundly 170 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:53.480 nauseated and uncontrolling of any muscle control, or the reality 171 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:59.919 of being just out of sorts to an extreme. That's 172 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.759 what I initially went through. 173 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:09.120 So the physical effects were caused by an external force more. 174 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:14.080 Or less well, and at the time, Carl, I didn't 175 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:18.279 know what that was because this happened so quickly. I 176 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.679 mean from the time that I saw first saw my 177 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:26.840 dog in conflict with this creature until it was on 178 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:31.519 the ground, what I assume did was within ten to 179 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:36.759 twelve seconds, so it all happened extremely fast. And then 180 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:43.600 when this wave came over me that knocked me down too. Again, 181 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:47.919 I had no idea what was happening. My reality was gone, 182 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.080 and at this moment I was just in peril, thinking 183 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.080 that I wasn't going to survive. 184 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.679 When you finally gained your composure, and I'm sure that 185 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:01.039 took a while from if I witness one of my 186 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:06.519 pets experience a death like that and then encountered the being, 187 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:09.799 I would just i'd probably be in a sheer panic. 188 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:14.559 Well, I'm sure that that's what happened. I'm sure I 189 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:18.759 somewhat went into shock, and the only thing I could 190 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:23.759 think of was stopping the action. Now, I didn't this 191 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.080 was not premeditated. I didn't think, oh, I'm going to 192 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:31.799 knock something apart or kill something. I'm basically not a 193 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:36.559 violent person. But this action that I witnessed made me 194 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:40.480 feel like I had to try to do something, so 195 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:45.720 I in some respects people say, oh, well, how could 196 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:49.840 you do this thinking it was a sentient being. Well, 197 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:52.399 I didn't think it was a sentient being at the moment. 198 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:54.320 I thought it was an animal. I thought it was 199 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:59.080 a terribly crazed animal that just ripped my dog apart, 200 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:02.960 and my dog fell to the ground, not as a 201 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:08.559 normal solid but as an ash, as a white powdery ash, 202 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:11.919 like something out of your fireplace. I mean, all of 203 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.799 this made no sense to me. It had thrown my life, 204 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:23.279 my paradigm out the window, none of what I pre conceived. 205 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:27.799 And doctor j you can add in here the reality 206 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:33.639 was gone. My reality was totally gone. So I didn't 207 00:16:33.679 -->

00:16:35.639 know what to think, Doctor Day. 208 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:40.360 When you actually touched Freddy with the log or or 209 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:44.519 the branch. I'm assuming that probably some of the physical 210 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:47.039 effects that you felt, the nausea and all that stuff, 211 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.120 was probably telepathic communication. Would you agree with that. 212 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:55.039 Well, that's a possibility. I mean, that's something that years later, 213 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.759 you know, I've had a chance to think through with 214 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:02.559 other people, and that is a possibility. But it's also 215 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:08.079 a possibility that there was another factor going on in 216 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:13.119 this arena, in this area, And after I had some 217 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:19.720 time to come to some sense of where I could 218 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.000 sit up, where I could slow my breathing down, I 219 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:27.559 realized there was something else in this area making a sound, 220 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:33.000 making a low harmonic tone throughout the forest, and it's 221 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:37.039 the only other sound I could hear. And I stood 222 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:40.519 up and would fall down, and I would crawl along 223 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:43.599 the ground seeing if I could see something, hoping that 224 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:47.240 it was another hiker, hoping that somebody else was there 225 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:50.880 who could help me. And there was no one else. 226 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:57.599 But what I saw through the underbrush, through the trees 227 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:03.880 was this black object, which I call the obelisk. It 228 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:09.200 was a black wedge shape about twelve feet long, three 229 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:14.119 feet wide and two feet high. And the thing about it, 230 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:18.240 it was making this harmonic tone, and it was so 231 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.680 loud that it felt like it was almost inside of you, 232 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:27.000 like it was almost touching your backbone. 233 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:31.319 It was so the detail, of course, that it wasn't 234 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:33.440 touching the ground either. This thing was a couple feet 235 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:34.839 off the ground correct. 236 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:39.039 That's right. When I finally was able to walk toward it, 237 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:43.920 I slipped my footing and kind of fell part way 238 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.279 against it, and then I realized that it was in 239 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:52.240 fact three feet off the ground. It wasn't floating, it 240 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:58.799 wasn't moving, but it was definitely suspended off of the 241 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:06.359 ground landing year no wheels, no pods, no, no nothing. 242 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:10.319 It was just anchored to the air. It was making 243 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:14.480 this noise, this tone, and when I touched it, the 244 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:20.400 tone changed from this kind of a dark sound to 245 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:25.240 a lighter tone like it it was responsive to me, 246 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:29.559 and I almost felt like it absorbed me for a 247 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.880 second and then threw me back out that I don't 248 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.279 know if it really happened or not, but that's what 249 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:39.480 I felt like. But again, I was still sick. I 250 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:43.160 was sick for days because of what this did to me. 251 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:48.839 All I can say is it was traumatic. Was extremely traumatic, 252 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.759 not only because none of this made any sense to 253 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:59.920 me in reality, but also the trauma that was inflicted 254 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:05.079 on me seeing my dog killed like curl suggest that 255 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.920 this is like a member of your family being torn 256 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.559 apart in front of you, and not just that. 257 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:15.279 For everybody listening to this podcast right now, remember this 258 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:18.559 is all on video. You can actually hear doctor Reed. 259 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.920 I mean struggling for air clearly, and distress and suffering, 260 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:25.960 and it's all there. You could see Freddie on the ground. 261 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:27.960 You could see the craft off the ground. So I 262 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:30.200 just want to throw that out there if anyone's trying 263 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.960 to visualize in their in their head, after this interview 264 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.079 is over, you'll have a chance to see it. 265 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:40.119 Yeah, there's video video available on YouTube. Still, so let 266 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:42.160 me in the. 267 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:45.720 Video start us. I start playing all the video. But yeah, 268 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:47.480 it is available all over the internet. 269 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.039 People people ask me, They said, well, how did you 270 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:57.039 come to the reality of being calm enough to take 271 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.799 pictures or take a video. Well, it was a matter 272 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:05.440 of circumstance. I was laying on the ground. I needed 273 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:08.440 to get some water to try to drink, to try 274 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:13.079 to calm down. The water was in my daypack, my backpack, 275 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.400 so I crawled back to where I had taken that 276 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:21.319 off ten or twelve feet beyond where I was laying 277 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:25.920 on the ground, opened the pack, took out my cameras

278 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:29.240 to get to my water, drank the water. Sat there 279 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:34.200 for twenty or thirty minutes, trying to calm down, trying 280 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:39.519 to console my mind in what all had happened, which, 281 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:42.920 like I said, there was no reality to it. I 282 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:47.799 couldn't find anything that made any sense, and my mind 283 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:51.279 was just spinning. And as I started to calm down, 284 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:55.160 I realized, oh, my cameras, because I had just reached 285 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:58.319 in taken them out to get to the water, and 286 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.759 I had my camera in my hand, and I thought, well, 287 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:05.599 I can take a picture of this body on the ground. 288 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.640 I could take a picture of this because and my 289 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:12.519 mind started to spin out of control, thinking well, maybe 290 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:16.200 it's not even here, maybe none of this is real, 291 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:20.160 so I'll take a picture and maybe nothing will come out. 292 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:24.200 I don't know. Now, this was in the day prior 293 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:28.759 to digital photography. This was film photography. I had a 294 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:35.400 thirty five millimeter film camera with negative film and positive film. 295 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:39.039 I had a small one of the very first small 296 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:45.599 camcorders that was non digital, and I thought, well, I 297 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.640 can take a picture of this, and in seeing this 298 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:57.440 black floating shape again, which defied everything I knew about 299 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:02.319 reality and circumstance, I thought, okay, well I'll try to 300 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:05.920 take a picture of this, and chances are it won't 301 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:09.720 be there, because maybe my mind is just out of control, 302 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:13.960 maybe none of this is real. So I took my 303 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.559 camcorder out. I took some film of it, of the 304 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:20.400 body land on the ground of the forest, of this 305 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:26.640 black shape actually covering three feet off the ground, and 306 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:31.640 there was distortion in the video. The closer I would 307 00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:36.359 get to this black shape, the more the camcorder would distort. 308 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:40.599 So I moved back further so there was less distortion. 309 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:46.160 This camcorder had a viewfinder about a quarter of an 310 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:50.480 inch square in black and white. So I was literally 311 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:55.400 holding the camera pointing it in the right direction, hoping 312 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:58.480 I would get it.

Because again I was so sick, 313 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:02.359 I was throwing up, I was gasping for breath. I 314 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:04.839 didn't know what was going on. I would fall over. 315 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:12.759 This was not a gentle circumstance, and I was hoping 316 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:18.000 that something would come out, and later I found out 317 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.440 that it did. It did come out. This is the 318 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:27.359 video that I took, which is available for people to see. 319 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:31.799 It's out there. I've never charged anything for this. I've 320 00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:37.599 never tried to, you know, make it commercial. I think 321 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.240 it's something everybody needs to know. Everybody needs to see 322 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:46.000 that this kind of thing really does happen, that it 323 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.920 wasn't an illusion. And I know there's a lot of 324 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:55.480 people out there that have made statements about my case, 325 00:24:55.640 --> 00:25:00.359 about my circumstances, who have tried to say, oh, it's 326 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.880 all folks, that this man isn't a doctor, that they 327 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:08.079 never went to medical school, that all of the circumstances 328 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:14.319 were lies and fabrications. Well, let me tell you before this, 329 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:19.519 before any of this happened, there was no negativity about 330 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:23.519 my life, about what I had done, about graduating from 331 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:28.000 San Diego State, UCLA and the University of Washington. I 332 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:33.400 had good scholastic merits. I had graduated with basically a 333 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.920 three point eight average, and people had gone to my 334 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:45.519 graduation ceremony. I have interviewed counselors and professors who taught 335 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:49.960 me at these different schools. I have that information and 336 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:57.480 that documentation. Because people started to denounce my life, they 337 00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:01.920 started to spread these rumors, and the only reason I 338 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:05.559 could figure that out. Was because when I first came 339 00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:10.359 out and went public, I showed everybody what I had. 340 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:14.759 I posted it everywhere I could, and I mean, this 341 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:21.000 is hard physical evidence, forth clear photographs, not dark, not fuzzy, 342 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.799 not lights in the sky. This is the body in 343 00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:25.359 front of you. 344 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:30.119 Well, these these photographs and stuff have also been analyzed 345 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.240 by Kodak that they haven't been altered in any way. 346 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:35.720 You said the case also, Yeah. 347 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:37.519 Thank you for bringing that up, Carl. I was going 348 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:39.720 to jump that in. So yeah, I'll let you guys 349 00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:42.079 talk about that because that's such an important point. While 350 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:46.440 you're on the thirty five millimeters. Well and the video 351 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:46.799 as well. 352 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:47.759 That's six. 353 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:53.200 And when I first went public, I didn't know what 354 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:59.000 to do how to do it, and I had a 355 00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:03.359 guy who was an author and a writer helped me 356 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.160 document this case, how to put it together, how to 357 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:12.119 actually tell people about this story because it was so 358 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:17.279 complex and I was not a writer, so I needed help. 359 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:21.680 So this man, Robert Raith, came up from California and 360 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:27.079 got an apartment and lived in Seattle where I was 361 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:31.720 able to come back and live with him, and he 362 00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:36.839 could extract this information from me. The book that we 363 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.440 ended up writing called Link and Extraterrestrial Odyssey is still 364 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:47.519 available on Amazon Kindle people can still get it. It's 365 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:53.440 a step by step walk through my shoes and what 366 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:57.720 I experienced in the order that I experienced in it, 367 00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:05.160 in some ways is the best example of how stressed 368 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:10.759 and how distracted I was, and how people tried to 369 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.880 say none of this was real and that none of 370 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:19.119 it actually happened. Well, there was an active force of 371 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:24.720 government agents trying to destroy my life, my credibility, actually 372 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:31.880 destroyed my career to the point where I can't get licensed, 373 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:39.119 I can't get refacilitated in a hospital. They've destroyed my 374 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:44.200 credibility and my ability to work. I mean, they couldn't 375 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:49.039 destroy the evidence, but they could destroy my credibility, and 376 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:50.079 that's all they could do. 377 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:54.680 The government's operandi seems to follow that anyway. Look at 378 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:59.440 Bob Bazaar and Betty and Barney Heel absolutely. 379 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.519 I mean, this is this is nothing new, but the 380 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:08.640 extreme that they went to. If people try to find 381 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:13.799 my name out there in the Internet, the first thing 382 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:21.799 that

comes up is all this negative bs. 383 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:23.960 Something about that. Obviously there's some that is concerned effort 384 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.839 to debunk you, but there's also people that just don't 385 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.200 pay attention to the evidence. I'll give you an example. 386 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.640 The first time I heard about this case was the 387 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:35.920 UFO magazine in the late nineties, and even they had 388 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:40.279 it wrong. They mentioned that the alien was shot and killed. Okay, 389 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.680 people don't look at the evidence, and they just assume 390 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:46.799 that they know about the case, and because they read 391 00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.720 that it's you know, crap, that's what they jump on. 392 00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:54.039 But they don't. This is the probably the most overlooked 393 00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:57.640 case that has the most amount of evidence than any 394 00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:00.400 other case that as a lawyer, I'm gonna trained lawyer 395 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.359 that I would take to a court any day over 396 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:04.240 any other case. 397 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.559 Well, as you know, John, and you've done a substantial 398 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:13.160 amount of research into me and my background and the case. 399 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:19.200 I tried to do everything that I could do to 400 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.640 show people exactly what happened and what I went through. 401 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.640 If people choose not to believe it, if they choose 402 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.400 to believe that it's only a hoax, that's up to them. 403 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.319 But if you open your mind a little bit further 404 00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:39.960 and see what actually has been has yielded from all 405 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.240 of the evidence, it's an amazing amount of evidence. I 406 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:50.079 even took two lie detectors, two polygraph examinations which I 407 00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:59.400 passed both of at law enforcement people who administered the test. 408 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.000 This was things that were done above and beyond my 409 00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:11.559 own personality, my own circumstances. The area was tested, the 410 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:17.640 forest area was tested for bark and dirt and samples 411 00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:22.640 from the arena where this took place. They found exclusive 412 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:29.720 amounts of a radiation that is never there naturally, a 413 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.440 certain kind of radiation that was permeated into this area. 414 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:41.240 These tests were done by forensic examination where I didn't 415 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.079 have any control of the outcome. After going on art 416 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:51.519 Bell several times art Bell Radio and giving interviews about 417 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:56.680 what had happened and what substantiated, finally there was the 418 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.319 availability of graphics on the Internet where I could post 419 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:04.599 a lot of my photographs, a lot of the video, 420 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.000 so I got it out as far as I could. 421 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:13.599 Because of that, I was invited by several other people, 422 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:21.079 including a journalist in Mexico, Jimi Massan, who basically wanted 423 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:25.440 to interview me on television and brought me to Mexico 424 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:30.279 and put me and my teams on television. Did an 425 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:35.839 interview that was international that aired initially eleven times in 426 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:41.599 twenty six countries. It was both in English and in Spanish. 427 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:47.440 They took the evidence that they could, extracted it and 428 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:51.920 verified it that it was legitimate, that nothing had been 429 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:59.279 misplaced or mishandled or misrepresented. You can only say that 430 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:05.240 so many times where people either want to understand what 431 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:09.000 I went through or they choose not to listen, and 432 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:13.319 that's totally up to each individual. I always say one thing, 433 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:18.799 if I had not have personally witnessed and experienced what 434 00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:24.279 I did with this creature and what took place in 435 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:29.839 the aftermath, I wouldn't believe it either, because it's so bizarre, 436 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:35.960 it's so unbelievable. I understand when people have difficulty believing it, 437 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.440 because for a long time I didn't want to believe 438 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:44.960 it either. I actually kept telling myself this just could 439 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.880 not have happened this way. But it did, and what 440 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:55.119 happened afterwards was ongoing. What I haven't said is after 441 00:33:56.039 --> 00:34:00.519 what I thought killing this creature, and I say, his 442 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:04.079 head was split open with a two inch hole all 443 00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.240 the way down to his brain where it broke the skin, 444 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:13.800 the sinew, and the bone, exposing his inner cranial material. 445 00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:17.719 I thought he was dead, and I took that body, 446 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.360 wrapped it up and was going to hide it somewhere 447 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.639 where I could later bring back somebody else, someone and 448 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.280 other people to help me to deal with to understand it. 449 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:36.159 But I couldn't find a place

to put it, so 450 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.760 I just wrapped it up in a thermal blanket that 451 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.880 I had an emergency thermal blanket because I didn't want 452 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.400 to touch it. It was a mess, it was covered 453 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.360 in blood. I just didn't want to touch it. So 454 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:54.079 I put the thermal blanket around it and wrapped it 455 00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.440 up like you would roll up a sleeping bag, tied 456 00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:02.639 my straps from my pack around it, and started to 457 00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.679 carry it back toward where my jeep was parked. 458 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.840 What one minor detail you forgot about, John, You grabbed 459 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:13.119 something that was with the body that you brought and 460 00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.559 I'm assuming was in your backpack on the way to 461 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.039 the car. Right, Can you talk about that? 462 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:22.840 Laying laying next to the body was a silver cuff 463 00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:27.559 like about the size of a big Coca Cola can, 464 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.960 and it looked bent was it had an angle to it. 465 00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.119 It was silver, And when I saw it the under 466 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.239 the brush right next to the body, I actually first 467 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:44.320 thought that it was I know in some respects it 468 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.280 doesn't make sense. But my mind said, oh, it's silver, 469 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:51.840 it's bent, and it reminded me of a Coca Cola can. 470 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.960 But I picked it up and it wasn't. It was 471 00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:59.960 some other piece of metal that had symbols on it. 472 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:06.480 There were some black raised symbols across it, and that 473 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.000 that made no sense to me. But I just put 474 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.159 it in with the body. As I rolled it up, 475 00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.679 and I thought, okay, I'll bring that back. I'll bring 476 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.920 that back to where it can be stored. And I 477 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.639 kept looking for a place to put this bundle. 478 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.079 I have a picture of the I believe you call 479 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:29.639 it a link device. 480 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.960 Yes, I have a link artifact. 481 00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:33.559 Artifact. 482 00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:35.920 I have a picture of that up on a live 483 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.039 stream so viewers can be it all. 484 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.920 And for people. I mean, this story is ongoing. After 485 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:48.480 I came home, after I drove up into my car port, 486 00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.920 I realized my dog was not there where she always 487 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.719 said was sitting next to me, and in the rearview 488 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.880 mirror I could see the thermal blanket where I had 489 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.000 lifted this thing into the back of the sheet and 490 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:04.519 closed the door. And now I was home and I 491 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:06.920 was thinking, what am I going to do with this body. 492 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:12.239 It's dead, it's going to start decomposing. And I thought, 493 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.039 I don't I don't want to bury it. I don't 494 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:18.440 want it in my house. I don't, you know. I thought, Okay, 495 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.400 I opened my garage. I opened the garage and there 496 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:27.559 was my freezer, a small chest freezer, and I thought, okay, 497 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.760 it's dead meat. If I freeze it, it'll stop decomposing. 498 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.280 So what I did is I lifted the basket that 499 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:40.239 had some frozen food in it, lifted that out, and 500 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.760 just set the entire wrapped body into the freezer and 501 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.519 closed the door and went in the house. I didn't 502 00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.719 want to deal with it. I didn't want to think 503 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:56.000 about it. It was insanity to me. And I was 504 00:37:56.119 --> 00:38:00.280 so sick and so messed up at the time. I 505 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.639 just wanted to go. And I stood in the shower 506 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.320 with all my clothes on because I was a mess. 507 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:13.920 I was just covered in sickness, and so I stood 508 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.400 in the shower for I don't know how long, and 509 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.679 just peeled off the layer to my clothes and cleaned 510 00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.559 up the best I could. And nobody was there. I 511 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.960 was alone. I made some phone calls. I called my girlfriend. 512 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:33.079 She wasn't home. I called my best friend Gary. I 513 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:35.719 said he wasn't home either. This was in the day 514 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:39.480 and age of answering machines, this was prior to cell 515 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:46.039 phones books nineteen ninety six. So I left messages. I said, 516 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:50.679 call me my dog Susie is dead. I made your help. 517 00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:56.480 Come over, please help me. I'm really sick. And that's 518 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:01.159 how it started. That's how this all started. My friend 519 00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.599 Gary came over. We talked. Of course, he didn't believe 520 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.480 the story, but I had the videotape and I took 521 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:13.360 it out of the camera and played it into my 522 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:18.679 television and there it was clear as day. The black craft, 523 00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:23.639 the

woods, the body laying on the ground with blood, 524 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:28.440 it was. It was all there to see. Unbelievable as 525 00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:34.119 it was there it was, and he still felt I 526 00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:41.360 was spinning out of control. My mind was just going crazy. 527 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:47.480 And I finally said, come with me, Come with me 528 00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.360 to my garage, and I said, you'll see, and he 529 00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:58.559 walked behind me to my garage. I opened the freezer, 530 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.320 took out the body, laid it on the floor of 531 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.599 the garage at that time, and showed him what this was. 532 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:15.400 And he was just uncontrollably dazed, as if he'd seen 533 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:21.760 a ghost. His attitude changed. He kept saying, oh my god, 534 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:25.239 Oh my god, what is this? What have you done? 535 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:29.599 What have you found? And I said, this is what happened. 536 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.960 This is all I can say. I don't know what 537 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:36.519 it is. I don't know what happened. And he started 538 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:40.679 to say he thought he knew what this was. And 539 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:42.760 I said, I don't want to think about that. I 540 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.360 don't want to I don't want it closer to me 541 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.760 in my mind. And he said, well, this has got 542 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.239 to be some kind of alien, you know. And I 543 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.199 said I don't want to think about that. I don't 544 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:57.039 want to know that. But he was sure, and he 545 00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:01.039 said he'd read about these kind of things. And for 546 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:04.400 the next few days that's what we did. We talked 547 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:06.679 about what do we do, who do we talk to, 548 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.119 who do we confide in? Who can we take this 549 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.639 body too? I mean I thought about taking it to 550 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:19.000 the university in the biology department and letting them dissect it. 551 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.360 I thought of all of these things, and within the 552 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.840 next seventy two hours, we started the process of finding 553 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.760 out who to talk to and who we could confide in, 554 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:39.760 and who would understand these circumstances, and it was a 555 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.679 living nightmare to try to deal with this. 556 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:51.480 At some point, the creature you found out wasn't actually deceased. 557 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.840 I had been taking the body out of the freezer, 558 00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:01.559 unwrapping it and showing it to colleagues, to my family members. 559 00:42:02.639 -->

00:42:06.239 I had done this many, many times, and on the 560 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:12.000 third day I had made arrangements to have another professor 561 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.880 come and look at what I had found. Somebody I 562 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:20.239 knew well, somebody who had known me for years in 563 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:26.280 the hospital, somebody I trusted. Because I needed help. I 564 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:30.920 didn't understand any of this, and I wanted other people's opinion. 565 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.480 I figured out if I could bring other people into this, 566 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.800 they could help me find some reality to this nightmare. 567 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.079 So he had called earlier, said he'd be over at 568 00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:44.840 a certain time. I went out to the garage and 569 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:48.239 set up a table, a portable table to lay the 570 00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:52.039 body on, with a big light over it, and all 571 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.440 of a sudden he called and canceled. He said, Jonathan, 572 00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.039 I cannot be there. I don't know that you should 573 00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.800 be doing this. Maybe this is going to, you know, 574 00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.360 disrupt your life, but I don't want it to disrupt mine. 575 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:10.639 He was angry, on the phone, and this made no 576 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.480 sense to me. Why would he be doing this, This 577 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:18.360 was not like him to do this. So after the 578 00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:21.039 phone call, I went out to the garage put away 579 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.320 the table and the light, and as I was doing that, 580 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.079 I heard this sound in the garage, this scratching or 581 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.840 rubbing sound, and I thought, could rats have gotten in 582 00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:39.639 my garage? This was an older freezer. Was the compressor 583 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.800 going out on the freezer? I didn't know. So the 584 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.599 only way I could identify that is I thought, well, 585 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:49.400 there's a thermometer right inside the door as you open 586 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.360 the top of the freezer, and if the temperature is rising, 587 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:58.639 then I know the compressor is going out. That's probably 588 00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:02.280 a sound I'm hearing. So I raised the lid, and 589 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.039 as I raised the lid, this thing, this creature sat 590 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.519 up out of the middle of the thermo blanket with 591 00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:13.719 his head right in front of me, screaming so loud 592 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:18.280 that it pushed me back. It actually physically forced me 593 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:22.960 back in the garage to the wall, and this terrible, 594 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:31.719 terrible dynamic scream and self defense. Yes I'm sure, anger, 595 00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:34.719 Yes I'm sure. And the only thing I thought of 596 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.599 is it's going to kill me. Next that'll be the 597 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:39.960 next thing it's going to attack, jump out of here 598 00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:44.440 and attack me. So I ran into my house. My 599 00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:48.599 garage was separated by a yard. I ran through the yard, 600 00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:53.639 ran into my house, slammed the door, and just panting, 601 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:58.039 just being scared to death that this thing was going 602 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:01.519 to come and kill me because I tried to kill it. 603 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.519 I thought it was dead, and now it's not dead. 604 00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:10.800 Now it's just angry and screaming. This was insanity to me. 605 00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:15.039 I called my friend Gary, I said, we have a 606 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:20.800 bigger problem, and he came over and I took him out, 607 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:25.920 and I went into the garage timidly because thinking hoping 608 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.920 that maybe this thing had run away, and no, it 609 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.719 was in the freezer. The lid was closed, and I 610 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:40.119 opened the freezer with a broom handle, and as I did, 611 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.079 it sat up and started screaming at both of us, again, 612 00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:49.719 pinning us almost physically to the wall inside the garage. 613 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.320 We ran out of there. We didn't close the freezer, 614 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.920 I didn't close the door to the garage, ran in 615 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:58.800 the house, slammed the door, and sat there in my 616 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:04.360 kitchen for a long time without saying anything, looking each 617 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:08.800 other like both of us were out of our minds. 618 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:13.360 But nevertheless, this really happened. This happened exactly like that. 619 00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:17.920 And so we sat, go ahead, Carl, I have. 620 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:19.400 A copy of the recording. 621 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:21.599 Well you do. 622 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.119 I need to go into a break and as soon 623 00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:27.239 as we come back, I will play that and you 624 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:28.679 can give your thoughts. 625 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:34.320 That's fine, that's fine. Like I said, it was a 626 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:35.800 nightmare from hell. 627 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.039 It was definitely that. And I'd be like you, I'd 628 00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:43.360 just be totally sick. We'll take the break in, We'll 629 00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:44.079 be right back. 630 00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.639 This is Dark Matter News. I'm Joshua Stark. Scientists say 631 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:33.159 cocaine

pollution in rivers and lakes may be altering the 632 00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:37.119 behavior of wild salmon. A new study published in the 633 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.039 journal Current Biology found that young Atlantic salmon exposed to 634 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:46.840 trace amounts of cocaine and its chemical byproducts become far 635 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:52.199 more active and traveled much greater distances than normal fish. 636 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:56.199 Researchers from Sweden and Australia tracked more than one hundred 637 00:47:56.239 --> 00:48:01.360 salmon in Sweden's Lake Vitern over a an eight week period. 638 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.880 Some fish were exposed to environmentally realistic levels of cocaine, 639 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:15.039 while others were exposed to benzogonine, the primary chemical left 640 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:21.559 behind after the human body metabolizes cocaine. The findings surprise scientists. 641 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:26.760 Salmon exposed to the substances swam nearly twice as far 642 00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:31.239 each week compared to unaffected fish. Fish exposed to the 643 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:37.440 cocaine byproduct, traveled the farthest, dispersing more than thirty kilometers 644 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.519 from where they were released. Scientists say wastewater treatment plants 645 00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:47.559 are not equipped to completely remove many pharmaceutical and illegal 646 00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:52.239 drug compounds from sewage. As a result, traces of these 647 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:57.639 chemicals are entering rivers, lakes, and coastal waters around the world. 648 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:02.159 Researchers warned that changes in examin behavior could have serious 649 00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:09.039 ecological consequences. Increased roaming may affect migration patterns, feeding habits, 650 00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:16.880 predator avoidance, and reproduction, potentially disrupting fragile aquatic ecosystems. Catch 651 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.159 up with us at darkmatternews dot com. 652 00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.880 The Bible describes men's thoughts in the last days as 653 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:30.119 deeply corrupted, selfish, and rebellious against God, marked by perilous times. 654 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:36.280 In reverse speech, the fulfillment of Prophecy, David John Oates 655 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:40.440 goes beyond psychology and linguistics to ask a deeper question, 656 00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:45.320 did scripture anticipate a time when hidden words would be revealed? 657 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:51.960 Drawing from the Bible, the Gospels, revelation, and ancient spiritual traditions, 658 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.199 this book examines recurring themes long overlooked, the voice of 659 00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:02.000 the heart, words that testify against us, US secrets proclaimed 660 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:05.920 from the housetops, sealed books opened at the

appointed time, 661 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:09.400 and the two edged sword that proceeds from the mouth. 662 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.000 David Oates argues that these are not merely poetic metaphors, 663 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:18.280 but descriptions of a revelatory process now made visible through 664 00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:25.039 modern technology. Reverse Speech Fulfillment of Prophecy now available at 665 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:28.440 Amazon dot com Get your copy today. 666 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.840 NASA is preparing for one of the biggest shakeups in 667 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:37.440 the agency's modern history. Officials have unveiled a sweeping reorganization 668 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.639 plan aimed at streamlining operations, cutting costs, and reshaping how 669 00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:48.639 NASA handles space missions, human spaceflight, and future exploration programs. 670 00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:54.800 The restructuring comes as the agency faces new mounting budget 671 00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:59.840 pressure and growing concern over rising mission costs. Under the 672 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:03.960 new plan, several divisions are expected to be consolidated and 673 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:09.320 management layers reduced and some long running programs reevaluated or 674 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.119 scaled back. NASA leaders say the changes are designed to 675 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:17.519 make the agency more efficient and better positioned for future 676 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:21.719 missions to the Moon and Mars. This is Dark Matter News. 677 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:27.760 NASA's Artemis two astronauts are being praised for keeping their 678 00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:33.079 composure after a confrontation with a moon landing conspiracy theorist 679 00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:38.039 on Capitol Hill. During the encounter of Man shouted accusations 680 00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:41.000 that the crew never went to space and claimed the 681 00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:46.000 mission was fake. Instead of reacting angrily, the astronauts calmly 682 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:50.639 walked away, with pilot Victor Glover offering a polite wave 683 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:56.280 and simply saying take care. The moment immediately drew comparisons 684 00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:01.280 to a famous incident involving Apollo eleven asternaut Buzz Aldrin. 685 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:04.440 Back in two thousand and two, Aldron was confronted by 686 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:09.239 conspiracy theorist Bart Sebral, who aggressively accused him of lying 687 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:13.360 about walking on the Moon. After repeated harassment and insults, 688 00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:17.159 the then seventy two year old astronaut punched Sebral in 689 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:21.519 the face. No charges wherever filed. The Artemis two mission 690 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:25.880 marked humanity's first crew journey beyond Earth. Orbit since Apollo 691 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:30.079 seventeen in nineteen seventy two. The mission's flight around the 692 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.039 Moon was live streamed and heavily documented, but conspiracy theories 693 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:39.400 surrounding space travel continue to spread online despite decades of 694 00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:44.679 scientific evidence supporting both the Apollo and Artemis programs. NASA 695 00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:49.280 supporters say the astronaut's calm response shows how the agency 696 00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.960 is handling public scrutiny differently in a new era of 697 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:58.719 lunar exploration. With future Artemist missions expected to land astronauts 698 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:01.639 on the Moon later this decade, aid NASA hopes to 699 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:06.960 keep public focus on science exploration and the long term 700 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.000 goal of sending humans to Mark. Catch up with Dark 701 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:15.719 Matter News on Facebook and Darkmatternews dot com From Memphis, Tennessee. 702 00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:16.840 I'm Joshua s. 703 00:53:16.840 --> 00:54:08.840 Dark coming to you at the speed of light in 704 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:13.400 the darkness. This is Midnight Frequency Radio with Carl Richardson. 705 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.639 Now here's Carl. 706 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:17.280 Welcome back to the show. 707 00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:18.880 Thank you for having. 708 00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:21.320 Us, and yes, of course for having me too. 709 00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.760 Like I was saying, I have a copy of the 710 00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:27.400 recording and I'd like to play it for the listeners 711 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.159 and hope it plays right, because you know how this 712 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.400 stuff goes. It works in rehearsal, but never on the 713 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:36.760 real show. So let me try it out here once again. 714 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:41.079 I will hold on. Okay, here it comes. 715 00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.960 O, my god, awf art. 716 00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:04.280 All right, I hope that played. 717 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:08.360 I've got it did, but the volume was like zero. 718 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.840 Well for us probably, it's probably louder for them. 719 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:16.159 Okay, yeah, I didn't have it run to the studio 720 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.000 monitor for feedback reasons. 721 00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:25.199 So anyway, it's extremely unnerving the sound that it made. 722 00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:27.840 Now finally quit making the sound. 723 00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:31.519 But and like Art said on his show, God that's awful. 724 00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.360 Yeah, yeah. 725 00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:40.039 Did you do any DNA analysis on the alien or 726 00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:40.719 at any point? 727 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.800 Yes, Well, while I assumed he was dead and I 728 00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:47.960 was taking him in

and out of the freezer to 729 00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:55.360 shore colleagues and friends and family members, I decided that 730 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.400 I would go ahead, since there was a gaping wound 731 00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:02.760 in his head, that I I would extract some tissue 732 00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:06.599 and some blood samples and go ahead and take it 733 00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:11.599 and have it analyzed. And I had access to one 734 00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:17.159 of the best pathologists in the country, who was somebody 735 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.800 I had had lunch with several times who worked in 736 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.320 the same building that I did at the University Medical Center. 737 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.360 So I made a phone call to him and I said, 738 00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:30.280 I have some tissue and blood samples that I would 739 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:33.199 like to have you analyze. Would that be possible? She 740 00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:36.719 said sure. He said it'll take about a week. Now, 741 00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:41.079 you have to remember this was in nineteen ninety six. 742 00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:46.239 This was before they had chrome zone testing in computers, 743 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:48.360 so all of this had to be done by hand. 744 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.400 So they took the samples. I took them to him. 745 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:57.559 I had stored them in a freezer, keeping them the 746 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:05.199 sterile and a content as possible without disturbing the properties 747 00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:09.239 of the science. I took them to him. He took 748 00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:13.079 them to his lab and again it took about a week, 749 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:17.880 and he called me up and he said, Jonathan, would 750 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.159 you come into my office please? We need to talk 751 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:27.000 talk And I said sure, and so I went in 752 00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:31.800 and tired. He said, what is this? Where did you 753 00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:37.400 get this material? And I said, well, I got it 754 00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.880 in the woods, in the forest. And I didn't tell 755 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.119 him that I had the body. I didn't tell him 756 00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.719 what it was or what I thought it was. I 757 00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:52.159 wanted him to tell me what his analysis would come 758 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:55.760 up with. And he said, look, I'm going to tell 759 00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:00.960 you something. None of this makes sense to me, He says, 760 00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:07.000 because we did a chromosome study on it and it 761 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:11.880 came up with forty six chromosomes exactly like humans have, 762 00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:17.960 but nine of the pair were different, were absolutely not human. 763 00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:21.840 And he said, the closest reference we could come up 764 00:58:21.880 -->

00:58:25.360 with in looking at all of the database that we 765 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.440 have in the United States, the closest reference was sea 766 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:35.000 tortoise and dolphin that were part of these nine pair. 767 00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:39.800 He said, some of the blood analysis was so different. 768 00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:47.320 There was no it was nucleated blood cells and the 769 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:51.079 white cells were extremely different. There was a high concentration 770 00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:56.920 of copper in the blood, which is not characteristic of 771 00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:01.440 any other creature that we could find. And he said, 772 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:07.519 it's a totally different structure, different matrix structure. He had 773 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:12.679 done the analysis, he kicked out all of the well, 774 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:16.760 let's just say the statistics on paper of their analysis, 775 00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:19.840 and they're only finding things that they could come up 776 00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:25.280 with that it was a completely new specie that they'd 777 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.159 never seen before, that there was no reference to ever before. 778 00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:33.000 And he said, Johnathan, he said, I'm going to publish 779 00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:37.199 this because it's an important find. But he said, again, 780 00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.119 I'm going to ask you, where did you come up 781 00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:45.000 with these samples because it's like no other that he'd 782 00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:48.840 ever seen. And he said, you can't manufacture this. You 783 00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:53.119 can't mix the blood or mix the tissue samples to 784 00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:57.679 assume you're going to create something new. It doesn't work 785 00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.320 like that. And in those days, we didn't have crisper 786 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:06.320 or we didn't have any of the scientific ability to 787 01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:10.920 get into the DNA and into the chromosoone structure. We 788 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:16.519 didn't have that in nineteen ninety six. And I said, well, 789 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.639 I found this in the forest. It was part of 790 01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:27.079 a part of the creature that I had come across. 791 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:32.199 And he said, well, he said, it's like nothing that 792 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:35.599 I've ever seen before. And he said, you have to 793 01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:39.519 let me publish this, and so I said, yes, absolutely, 794 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:44.559 you may publish this. And he was an accredited pathologist, 795 01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:50.239 I mean actually world famous doctor, Roger Hagett was his name. 796 01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:56.360 And three days after, actually two days after he had 797 01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:00.679 shown me this material, I got a call from his 798 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:07.639 secretary who informed me that somebody had come into their office, 799 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.519 where Roger's office was on a different floor from where 800 01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:20.199 I worked, same building, come in and killed Roger, shot 801 01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:22.519 him in the head and then killed himself. 802 01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:26.599 Oh my god, then, and that's not the only person, 803 01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:30.280 as you'll get to later, that were affected by this case. Unfortunately. 804 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.920 Well, and then the secretary said, and then within ten 805 01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:38.840 minutes of after this event had happened, he said, all 806 01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:47.480 these all these military like police came in and confiscated 807 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:53.360 his computer, all his files, his physical paper files, and 808 01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:56.800 everything he had. In fact, they had even gone to 809 01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:01.840 his house and confiscated things of his and his wife's, 810 01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:10.280 taking all evidence there was that he ever had these samples. Now, 811 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:16.599 there were other people involved, and other people were also murdered, 812 01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:23.320 and I'm using the term murdered to restrict the ability 813 01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:31.280 to have knowledge to expose this information. Other technicians. 814 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:33.960 My listener said that that audio didn't come through. I'm 815 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:35.639 going to replay it. I've set it up in a 816 01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:36.519 different format. 817 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:44.159 Okay, But anyway, this was a perfect example of how government, 818 01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:50.239 and I use that term loosely, how dark agents tried 819 01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:56.639 to cover all of this up immediately by even murdering suspects. 820 01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.960 And this is not an illusion, this is not a hoax. 821 01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:05.360 You can look these people up, you know, in records, 822 01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:10.239 and see that doctor Roger Hagett was killed in his office. 823 01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:14.000 The government knows no bounds on what they'll do. 824 01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:17.840 I don't, don't, And for thirty years I've been dealing 825 01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.960 with this, with all of the negativity, all of the propaganda, 826 01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:26.360 the saturation of negative information. 827 01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.679 This your own assassination attempts. Don't forget that. 828 01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.800 That's a huge one, right, I mean even you know, 829 01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:36.760 a couple of weeks ago, I was shot at again 830 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:41.880 while we were getting out of a car where I 831 01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:47.719 happened to be staying. And I mean, this is reality, 832

01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:50.760 this is my reality. Do I think they want to 833 01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:54.280 kill me. I can't believe that, because that would make 834 01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:57.599 me a martyr. I think they want to silence me. 835 01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:01.639 I think they want to scare me, which is the 836 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:09.400 constant process of doing everything they can do to manufacture 837 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:15.719 events and circumstances to get me to stop talking. Look, 838 01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:20.119 I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. I'm trying 839 01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:25.000 to tell you what happened to me, trying to explain 840 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:30.679 the circumstances and the events that happened around my life 841 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:40.920 and my situation with this creature who later on revived, 842 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:47.119 came back, and I have since created a relationship with it. 843 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:52.159 I know, as strange as that sounds, it was presented 844 01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:55.960 to me. It was an opportunity, and I felt like 845 01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:02.599 it was necessary to understand what was going on with 846 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:08.840 this creature and with our lives. Why are we being visited? 847 01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:16.000 Why is this a negative? Why does government restrict information 848 01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:21.119 from us? It just doesn't make sense to me. It's science, 849 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:26.679 if nothing else, And I've tried my best to give 850 01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:32.719 away all the evidence to show what's happened, what continues 851 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:36.400 to happen, and that I've been in communication for thirty 852 01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:41.519 years and have developed a database of information of the 853 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:48.880 life of this being that I call Freddie, and I 854 01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:52.760 believe there's a lot to be learned here. I believe 855 01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:56.679 that humans have made a lot of mistakes that we 856 01:05:56.800 --> 01:06:01.679 can correct, that we can actually gain from this experience. 857 01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:08.639 They are probably a million years advanced from us. He 858 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:16.039 is a hybrid human. He is basically a biological created 859 01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:22.559 being that was born in our atmosphere on planet Earth 860 01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:29.039 to work within our atmosphere and our environment so that 861 01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:35.440 he could survive the biology and the resistance. I mean, 862 01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:41.320 We've spent millions of years growing through this learning to 863 01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:45.360 survive all of the bacteria that lives and breathes in 864 01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:49.280 our atmosphere. They haven't. So the only way they could 865 01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:54.360 do that was to have one a

hybred that it 866 01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:59.280 was designed to live and work in this environment. And 867 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:00.840 that's what he is. 868 01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:04.239 All right, let me replay this audio and then there's 869 01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:07.400 some other items we need to go into. Hold on, 870 01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:07.960 just say. 871 01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:14.119 Sure once again, I will hold on. Okay, here it comes. 872 01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:32.960 Oh my god, awful. 873 01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:36.719 Okay, it came through that time. I'm pretty sure. 874 01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:42.800 Okay, but I could hear art Yeah. 875 01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:45.679 Yeah, the earlier time it was more muscled, but I 876 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:47.400 knew I could still hear it lower though. 877 01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:49.800 Yeah. 878 01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:54.639 All the original radio interviews that I did that were 879 01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:59.840 initially art Bell are still available. You can still hear them, 880 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:05.719 and you can tell you know that my life was 881 01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.719 in turmoil, turmoil at this time. I mean, doctor j 882 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:11.320 you understand that. 883 01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:15.719 Yeah, if I uh, since I was there to help 884 01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:17.600 you when the filmmakers came. 885 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.319 There's an incident that took place when we were filming 886 01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:26.399 contact in the woods and where I had been staying. 887 01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:29.640 You had come to visit me, and when you left 888 01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:32.239 a few hours later, there happened to be plotters in 889 01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:35.479 your car, almost as if someone was either cutting the 890 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.359 brakes or letting us know that you are being followed, 891 01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:41.479 not to mention you were followed on the way to 892 01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:42.279 see me one day. 893 01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:48.760 Yeah, this is a it's a it's a continual process 894 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:54.760 of caression and I believe that's it's intimidation, and that's 895 01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:57.439 what's all I wanted to do the most. But I 896 01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:02.279 have to say, and this is the truth. In thirty years, 897 01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:08.159 there's been fourteen people who I consider teammates and family 898 01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:13.279 members who in one way or another, their life was 899 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:19.039 ended because of these circumstances. Some of them directly murdered, 900 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:22.520 some of them run off the road, some of them shot. 901 01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:28.199 I mean, there's no other conclusion. It's on the record. 902 01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:34.600 These people were alive well and gave a great part 903 01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:38.840 of their life to help me,

just to help me survive. 904 01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:45.680 And this can't be you know, covered over. It's a reality. 905 01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.359 It's a reality I have to live with every day 906 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:50.119 of my life since it's happened. 907 01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:56.039 Speaking of the people who are killed on your team, 908 01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:58.359 I think now would be a good time, Jonathan to mention, 909 01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:02.199 because this is really important, who else was on the 910 01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:06.199 team that Because there was a crap group of people 911 01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:09.880 that were on this team, I mean within ufology, it 912 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.640 had every legend you can imagine, so I think we 913 01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:13.479 should talk about that. 914 01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:17.159 Well. When I first came out and went public, I 915 01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:24.840 was invited to go to Laughlin, Nevada for the International 916 01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:29.760 UFO Congress, where I was introduced to some of the 917 01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:34.920 greatest researchers and people in the world in the community, 918 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:38.199 people I had never known prior to this, but who 919 01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:42.399 I got to know very well during this time. They 920 01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:48.159 all said as a group that they wanted research done 921 01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:52.800 on my case, called textbook research, where they could document 922 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.439 all of these issues and all the items that happened. 923 01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:03.680 So they set out these people, them Wendell Stevens, Colonel 924 01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:11.960 Wendell Stevens, Donald Ware, Bob Dean, Robert Dean, Robert o'dean, 925 01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:20.760 and Dan mclvoy senior and Jimi Masson all jointly said 926 01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:26.279 that they would create a textbook case of my that 927 01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.560 they could study, that they could find the evidence, that 928 01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:33.640 they could talk to people who were involved, and after 929 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:37.760 finding out that all of my records were destroyed, all 930 01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:42.720 of my credentials were destroyed, saying that I never went 931 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:46.680 to any university, that I never graduated, that I never 932 01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:51.680 was taught and was part of this medical school University 933 01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:55.560 of Washington Medical School and the medical facility. All of 934 01:11:55.600 --> 01:12:00.640 that was erased as if I never existed, and these 935 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:07.239 people set forward, set out to prove that I did exist, 936 01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:11.000 that I did go to these colleges, these universities and 937 01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:14.920 find people who knew me and realized and recognized that 938 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:19.479 I was there going to school, working in this facility, 939 01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:24.359 and that I was a physician actively working at the time. 940 01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:30.960 And it took two years for Dan McAvoy Senior to 941 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:34.920 walk in my shoes literally behind me everywhere I went 942 01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:42.239 the United States, South America, Mexico, Japan, where I had 943 01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:48.680 the link artifact analyzed by metallurgists who basically said that 944 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:56.319 it is a physical biological interface between biology and mechanics, 945 01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:01.840 That it was some kind of an active device, was interpowered, 946 01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:07.119 that had a pulse of radiation every seven seconds that 947 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:12.079 they couldn't identify, That it's made of multiple layers of 948 01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:18.880 metal and fiber like a plant leaf fiber that literally 949 01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:24.159 had veins of active memory inside of itself. That it 950 01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:29.600 is some kind of a controller and or a communication device. 951 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:33.159 And later we found out that it has other properties, 952 01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:39.239 that it's literally a telet transport device that is workable 953 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:46.079 that is active where I actually produced a video on 954 01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:51.560 camera in a television studio with other people, with other 955 01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:57.239 people witnessing it, two hundred people with witnessing what happened. 956 01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:05.079 And of course all this has been denounced and stated 957 01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:09.439 that it was faith. And I challenge anybody, Okay, if 958 01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:13.319 it's faith, make one do it. Make it. Make a 959 01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:19.920 film that has this ability where you use no special 960 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:21.439 effects none. 961 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:23.319 Can I say something about that real quick? 962 01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:25.520 Jonathan, Yeah, everybody. 963 01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:29.199 About the analysis of the film, I found the best 964 01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.159 one to be if people are a fan of the 965 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:33.920 Wi fi is one of the biggest channels on UFOs 966 01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:36.760 right now. The guy's a big skeptic and how he 967 01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:39.239 ends up a lot of times on cases even I 968 01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:41.880 believe is either in the middle or he doesn't believe it. 969 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:44.520 But when he covered Jonathan's case, which was. 970 01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:47.560 Titled Alien in the Freezer and it was one of 971 01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:52.279 the three segments of Arts Campfire Stories, he said, this 972 01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:55.800 case happened and without a shadow of a

doubt, and 973 01:14:55.880 --> 01:15:01.079 most importantly, a doctor in nineteen ninety six, without the 974 01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:06.680 resources of a major Hollywood studios like Universal Warner Brothers 975 01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:11.159 would have had to make such a dolt to look alive, 976 01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:14.359 the way it was glistening, and its eyes, the way 977 01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:19.119 it was breathing asymmetrically. I highly suggest anyone check that 978 01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:22.239 out when this is over, because what Jonathan is saying, 979 01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:24.800 without special effects, it's beyond that. 980 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:28.119 Even a Hollywood studio in that era would have a 981 01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:32.239 hard time making a doll to breathe in such a way, 982 01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:35.000 even if they put a motor in there, it just 983 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:36.039 wouldn't be symetric. 984 01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:39.880 Even in a video, you can see its eyes blink, that's. 985 01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:44.720 Right, and its faithful muscles contort. Yes, people have to 986 01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:49.560 realize that this is a process, an ongoing process that 987 01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:52.800 I had to go through. This wasn't all done overnight. 988 01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:56.319 This was done over a period of years. But even 989 01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:59.600 the years that it was done over, there was not 990 01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:05.239 an availability of computer special effects at that time. The 991 01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:11.800 only one doing computer special effects was Spielberg and George Lucas. 992 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.800 And I didn't know any of those people. I didn't 993 01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:19.800 know anybody from Hollywood or anything. And I was lucky 994 01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:22.560 to be able to do my own email at the time. 995 01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:27.920 You know, I'm so computer illiterate. But the facts remain 996 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:34.720 is there's so many there's some much evidence that goes 997 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:38.239 along with this. In other words, if it didn't happen, 998 01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:43.279 how did I get the video? If the video is fake, 999 01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:47.159 how did I get the DNA and the chromosome study? 1000 01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:52.319 If that wasn't enough, Do you think I killed the 1001 01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.680 guy who did the chromosome study the guy that died, 1002 01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:59.319 I mean, is on and on and on, and I 1003 01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:05.159 have that I wasn't even anywhere near this place when 1004 01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:08.279 this doctor was killed and these other people. 1005 01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:12.880 And if this was fake, would you have an extraterrestrial 1006 01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:17.760 artifact where the metal has been analyzed and shows metals 1007 01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:21.960 not from this Earth, unidentifiable and the ones that are 1008 01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:25.000 cannot even be made in the combinations they are, or 1009 01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:30.239 the purities they are in Earth, or even on gravity exactly. 1010 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:37.840 I mean, there is an abundance of physical evidence. And 1011 01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:42.000 people say, oh, well, the photographs aren't physical evidence. Yes 1012 01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:45.399 they are. They were made on filmed they were not 1013 01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:49.640 made out of digital technology, and so it is physical 1014 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:54.560 as and they've been analyzed by true professionals that I 1015 01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:59.600 have no control over what they say. himI Mason, who 1016 01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:03.520 took me to Mexico, who did this television interview with me, 1017 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:07.680 which is the first place ever in history to show 1018 01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:12.920 an artifact that was made off of this earth, not 1019 01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:18.039 of human beings. I mean, there's all kinds of information 1020 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:23.000 behind the scenes that happened where people tried to hurt us, 1021 01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:28.079 feel us. He hired the presidential guard to take care 1022 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:32.399 of my team that went to Mexico City. We had 1023 01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:37.560 the entire top floor of the Fiesta Americano hotel sanctioned 1024 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:41.880 off for us, with the guards who literally were in 1025 01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:46.319 all the rooms next to us, who protected us. We 1026 01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:50.439 went after we did this program, we went out into 1027 01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:56.399 the public where they celebrated that we were there, that 1028 01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.920 we did this, that we exposed this information and gave 1029 01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:04.439 it to the people of the world by showing them 1030 01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:08.920 everything we had. I mean, this had never been done 1031 01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:15.079 before ever, and this was in two thousand and No 1032 01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:20.119 interview had ever been done like this. Jimi's team, Jimi's 1033 01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:24.159 son from Mexico, the journalist, flew to Seattle with a 1034 01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:28.319 team of experts. I took them to the exact site 1035 01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:32.600 in the forest where they took samples of the trees 1036 01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:35.880 and the dirt and the ground and the foliage and 1037 01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:40.560 all took it back and did forensic examination showing that 1038 01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:44.239 something had happened in this site in the three hundred 1039 01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:46.840 foot circle, and. 1040 01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:49.239 I add something in that happened at the site when 1041 01:19:49.279 --> 01:19:53.920 you were filming

your documentary, and your partner showed me 1042 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:58.159 where this incident happened. After of course you pointed it out, 1043 01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:02.560 and I brought a compass the the exact location where 1044 01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:07.039 the obelisk was floating or off anchored into the air, 1045 01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:11.079 and where the body of Freddy was. The compass was 1046 01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:16.920 going crazy yep, right. 1047 01:20:17.039 --> 01:20:20.760 Well, the area that this is in, you know, and 1048 01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:24.880 all this I've learned after the fact by people who 1049 01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:30.239 are geologists, and basically Freddy was a geologist. The alien 1050 01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:37.319 this area is in huge amounts of granite and and 1051 01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:42.239 fairide from the mountain the mountains. This is in the mountains. 1052 01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:45.319 This isn't in a valley you know, down below. This 1053 01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:48.479 is actually up into the mountains at you know, four 1054 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:54.880 thousand feet above sea level. And all of this iron, 1055 01:20:55.039 --> 01:21:00.640 fair eye and granite and and has huge amounts of 1056 01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:06.239 crystal in it and causes a huge amount of magnetic distortion. 1057 01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:10.479 So that's one of the reasons that the compass just 1058 01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:15.119 basically spins out of control. But I didn't know any 1059 01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:18.319 of that prior to this. I mean, who does, who 1060 01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:22.560 knows that kind of thing, who understands, And why would 1061 01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:27.520 they be studying this geology. Well, the Earth is a 1062 01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:33.119 ongoing living thing. It is changing all the time, and 1063 01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:38.199 they are concerned about the geology of the planet and 1064 01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:41.720 this is one of the duties. And why he was 1065 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:49.000 in the mountains the black thing that I call the obelisk. 1066 01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:52.760 Some people say, oh, it was a ship, and I've 1067 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:56.840 never professed that it was a ship. I always said, well, 1068 01:21:56.840 --> 01:22:00.600 maybe it's a toolbox, maybe it's somebody else. Well, maybe 1069 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:05.840 it's a doorway between different dimensions. Maybe that gave them 1070 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:09.479 access because it didn't move the entire time I was there. 1071 01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:13.159 It couldn't be moved. I mean, I'm two hundred plus 1072 01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:15.680 founds and I got on top of it and you 1073 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:19.199 couldn't move it a fraction of an inch. It was 1074 01:22:19.319 --> 01:22:25.520 like it was glued anchored to the air. And physicists 1075 01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:28.319 say that if we had the ability to go from 1076 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:31.800 one dimension to another, there would be a portal, there 1077 01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:36.079 would be an access point that you would enter to 1078 01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:40.880 change dimensions. Some people believe that's what this is. It 1079 01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:47.479 was a representation of a doorway from one dimension to another. Now, 1080 01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:50.920 all I know it was there. It felt like it 1081 01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:55.199 realized I was there, And at one point I felt 1082 01:22:55.199 --> 01:23:01.680 that that low, ebbing harmonic tone was looking for the alien, 1083 01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:06.119 who at the time was unconscious I thought dead, but 1084 01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:10.279 it was unconscious and it couldn't find him, and so 1085 01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:14.840 it found me moving around, and for a second and 1086 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:19.520 maybe half a second, it may have actually absorbed me 1087 01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:23.159 and then thrown me back out, realizing that I wasn't 1088 01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:26.960 the alien that he was supposed to be taking care of. 1089 01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:28.560 I don't know. 1090 01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:32.199 Well the people that are interested in this story. I 1091 01:23:32.239 --> 01:23:36.319 would like to go into the documentary Contact in the Woods, 1092 01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:38.399 the doctor Jonathan Reid's story. 1093 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:45.399 It's a brand new it's a brand new documentary. People 1094 01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:49.199 had been after me for three or four years trying 1095 01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:54.439 to say this should be done, This should be understood 1096 01:23:54.479 --> 01:24:02.640 and investigated, that my life should be understood better, and 1097 01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:07.119 they decided how to do this. This was not my design. 1098 01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:12.399 I didn't come up with the concept. People from the 1099 01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:18.239 film industry, from documentary industry had come to me and said, 1100 01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:22.560 we want to do this, will you will you allow 1101 01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:27.319 us to do this? And I finally, after turning them 1102 01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:31.960 down for years, I finally agreed to it as long 1103 01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:38.560 as they would be respective toward my friends, my family 1104 01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:43.479 and the circumstances in which I have to exist, and 1105 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:49.159 they agreed to that. So this, this documentary should be 1106 01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:56.439 coming out about in June. At some time. There may 1107 01:24:56.479 --> 01:25:01.680 be a trailer that is presented ahead of time about 1108 01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:06.439 this documentary. It's called Contact in the Woods, the Doctor 1109 01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:13.880 Jonathan Reid's Story. It's well done. All I told them 1110

01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:17.000 after I saw it that the only thing they needed 1111 01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:22.439 was better talent. But that's the you know, I'm the 1112 01:25:22.479 --> 01:25:27.239 talent that they chose. But it's a it's very different. 1113 01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:33.359 It's it's not a normal documentary. I consider it to 1114 01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:36.319 be part one because I think there will be additional 1115 01:25:37.199 --> 01:25:42.279 additional parts to it where we will, you know, show 1116 01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:45.960 more of the evidence, talk more about the other people involved. 1117 01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:53.199 But this was this was a design to basically show 1118 01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:57.359 people that I was still alive. How this had affected me. 1119 01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:07.239 You know, I'm not a young man anymore, and it has, 1120 01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:11.520 you know, after thirty years of dealing with this, the 1121 01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:18.600 negative propaganda, the issue of dealing with an extraterrestrial that 1122 01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:24.079 visits me unannounced a lot of times. It has left 1123 01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:30.760 its mark on my life, on my personality, and I 1124 01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:37.560 have to apologize that in some ways it crippled me 1125 01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:43.800 because I wish I could be more forthright, more outgoing. 1126 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:48.239 But all I can do is tell the story of 1127 01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:52.640 what has happened to me, the truth about what it 1128 01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:55.600 has done, and how it has affected me in my 1129 01:26:55.720 --> 01:27:02.880 life in some ways. I hope that it helps other 1130 01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:08.960 people that have dealt with similar circumstances. Because it's traumatics, 1131 01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:15.800 it's mind blowing. I understand why some people can't handle 1132 01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:21.680 it at all and have chosen, you know, other avenues 1133 01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:28.039 to not deal with it. I must say that I've 1134 01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:31.680 learned a great deal and I hope that it has 1135 01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:34.880 helped other people too. I hope that it will by 1136 01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:42.720 exposing myself in this way. Look, I didn't choose to 1137 01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:47.000 do this in my life. I was real happy before 1138 01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:50.359 any of this happened to me. I loved my dog 1139 01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:55.079 and I miss her terribly. She was like a child 1140 01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:58.079 to me, and to see her killed in front of 1141 01:27:58.079 --> 01:28:03.920 my eyes was the most terrible thing I could ever imagine. 1142 01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.920 But I must say what I can only imagine is 1143 01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:14.439 that is that Robert, my co author of the book 1144 01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:19.119 that I that we wrote that is still available, he 1145 01:28:19.279 --> 01:28:25.119 told me something once and it made an impression. Right 1146 01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:29.600 after we gave a lecture in Laughlin, Nevada at the 1147 01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:33.920 International UFO Congress. It was where we were supposed to 1148 01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:42.079 speak for about forty five minutes to an hour. I 1149 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:47.359 ended up speaking for three hours NonStop, showing all the photographs, 1150 01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:51.640 showing the videos both in the woods and at home, 1151 01:28:52.479 --> 01:28:55.800 what I call an analysis video of where I unwrapped 1152 01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:59.119 the body at home, where people can see that he 1153 01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:06.119 was moving and blinking at the time that I didn't realize. 1154 01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:11.880 I showed all of that and people were captivated. People 1155 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:15.760 were glued to their seats and didn't want to leave. 1156 01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:20.239 Normally it's a four hundred people audience. We had eight 1157 01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:25.279 hundred and ninety people standing in the aisles and watching this. 1158 01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:31.800 They had never had a bigger lecture of attendance ever 1159 01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:40.600 a woman. Afterwards, we left the auditorium, my team and 1160 01:29:40.640 --> 01:29:44.520 I and security. We left there and we went to 1161 01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:49.520 get something to eat in the hotel. And as we 1162 01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:54.199 were going and we went in and sat down, the 1163 01:29:54.279 --> 01:29:57.399 matre d came back and talked to Robert and asked 1164 01:29:57.479 --> 01:30:00.840 him if he would come out because he had an issue. 1165 01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:06.359 Robert left, Robert came back and said, Jonathan, there's a 1166 01:30:06.439 --> 01:30:12.399 woman here waiting to talk to you with her daughter. 1167 01:30:14.159 --> 01:30:19.159 And I said okay, and so I took security and 1168 01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:25.039 there she was standing in the entrance of this this restaurant, 1169 01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:30.119 and I introduced myself and I said hello, and she 1170 01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:33.680 said hello, and introduce me to her little daughter, who 1171 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:38.840 was like seven, And she said, I'm sorry to bother you, 1172 01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:41.760 but I want you to know something. She said, I 1173 01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:46.039 want you to know that we came here today specifically 1174 01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:49.359 to hear you. We had heard you on the radio 1175 01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:52.800 with Art Bell. We had listened to every word you 1176 01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:57.680 ever said. And she said, I came here today because 1177 01:30:57.720 --> 01:31:01.760 I didn't believe it was real. She said, I really 1178 01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:05.840 didn't believe that what you had experienced

was real, or 1179 01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:10.199 that you were even real. And she says, because we planned, 1180 01:31:10.399 --> 01:31:14.560 I plan to go home and kill myself, my daughter, 1181 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:21.199 because we can't deal with this insanity, because it's happened 1182 01:31:21.239 --> 01:31:26.000 to us too, that they had been visited by extraterrestrials 1183 01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:29.680 several times, and that I'd driven her literally out of 1184 01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:34.039 her mind. And she said, after listening to you, after 1185 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:39.479 seeing what you brought forth, and listening to your testimony, 1186 01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:45.720 she said, you made me believe that it's important enough 1187 01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:49.800 to be able to tell other people that this happened, 1188 01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:54.399 that we weren't crazy, that I'm not out of my 1189 01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:59.199 mind insane, and that I should live for my daughter's 1190 01:31:59.239 --> 01:32:04.800 sake and be able to tell the story. And she said, 1191 01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:10.159 thank you for giving us this hope, this ability to 1192 01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:17.319 rationalize something that has been so irrational that it obviously 1193 01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:22.239 had changed everybody's life who was part of this the 1194 01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:25.760 witnessing of it. But she said, thank you, You've saved 1195 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:31.600 our life. That woman and her daughter contacts me every 1196 01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:35.760 year just before Christmas, and I always get a card 1197 01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:39.199 from them. And the little girl at the time was 1198 01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:45.039 like seven years old, and now thirty years later, you know, 1199 01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:49.279 she's an adult, but she still contacts me. She still 1200 01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:52.880 tells me how important it was that her and her 1201 01:32:52.920 --> 01:32:56.800 mother got to see me in person and listen to 1202 01:32:56.920 --> 01:33:03.680 this testimony, which she said made them understand that life 1203 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:08.439 is important and that these issues need to be realized 1204 01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:14.039 and understood. And she said, you saved our lives. So 1205 01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:18.920 when people say why did you do this, that's the 1206 01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:22.239 best example I can give you of why this is 1207 01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:25.920 important that I tell people that are willing to listen 1208 01:33:26.319 --> 01:33:30.239 to what happened to me. That's the best example I 1209 01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:33.560 can give you that says why I continue to do 1210 01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:37.119 this and what else can I do. They took away 1211 01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:41.399 my ability work. They took a way am I licensing 1212 01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:45.000 to be able to work as a physician. I can't 1213 01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:48.439 get it back. I've tried for years to get retested 1214 01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:53.640 in other states and even in other countries, but this 1215 01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:59.439 is the fact of the dark government suppression that carries 1216 01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:03.520 on even to this day. So I say to everybody 1217 01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:07.640 who has an experience, be careful how you deal with it, 1218 01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:14.119 be careful who you trust afterwards, and I'm here for 1219 01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:18.640 you to contact. You can always contact me. There's always sources. 1220 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:21.840 I'm on Facebook, you know, as old as it is. 1221 01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:27.159 I'm available and I have continued to be available for 1222 01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:31.560 people who needed to talk because I understand that. I 1223 01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:37.039 understand that it's necessary to be able to confide in 1224 01:34:37.159 --> 01:34:42.439 someone else that maybe has a similar understanding of what 1225 01:34:42.520 --> 01:34:46.720 they're going through. So that's what I've dedicated my life 1226 01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:50.560 to because I have had no other opportunity to do 1227 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:54.159 anything else. So that's what I continue to do. 1228 01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:58.560 Well, Doctor Reid, I appreciate you relating your experience with 1229 01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:02.479 us and and I, for one believe it. I have 1230 01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:05.880 no reason to doubt it. And doctor j did you 1231 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:07.239 have anything you'd like to add? 1232 01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:10.479 No, The only thing I could say is, you know, 1233 01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:13.359 you can basically get the overview of this case in 1234 01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:16.079 an hour and a half or two, or even compress 1235 01:35:16.119 --> 01:35:19.119 it to an hour, but it takes. Remember this case 1236 01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:20.640 was investigated for years. 1237 01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:24.520 I have three interviews spanning about nine hours with Jonathan, 1238 01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:27.680 and we're still going to do more because it's fun enough. 1239 01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:32.079 And there's also dozens, if not hundreds of hours over 1240 01:35:32.119 --> 01:35:34.880 the years I still talked about this case, so there's 1241 01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:37.239 going to be more to come. But there's a lot 1242 01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:39.840 already out there that I suggest people check out the 1243 01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:42.119 three that I did, because I also play all the 1244 01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:46.039 content there, the videos, pictures, some pictures that couldn't show, 1245 01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:49.720 for instance, of Jonathan being shot. He has been shot 1246 01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:52.359 when he said assassination attempts. 1247 01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:55.640 Literally in the

car, his driver was killed and he 1248 01:35:55.840 --> 01:35:58.760 was hit himself. I mean graphic enough where I couldn't 1249 01:35:58.760 --> 01:35:59.920 even show him on YouTube. 1250 01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:03.840 He wasn't playing I think three times. Three times. I've 1251 01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:08.560 been shot physically and run off the road numerous times, 1252 01:36:08.720 --> 01:36:13.000 and things I haven't talked about. I was taken, beat up, 1253 01:36:13.119 --> 01:36:18.000 thrown in a van, and basically kidnapped for three days 1254 01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:24.560 and tortured in ways that I can't identify because it's 1255 01:36:24.600 --> 01:36:29.880 too graphic. But if people think that this is just 1256 01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:34.159 that I'm just some guy on the weekends creating a 1257 01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:39.840 little story, they're wrong. They're wrong. I mean, this is 1258 01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:43.760 my life. This is the only thing I have to 1259 01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:49.560 live with. And four it's ongoing. It's not just something 1260 01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:54.199 that happened in nineteen ninety six. It continues to happen 1261 01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:57.760 all the time. I mean, Freddy was here four days ago. 1262 01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:02.960 He morphed into my house where other people have seen him, 1263 01:37:03.359 --> 01:37:07.159 the house that I was staying in. Uh, He's followed 1264 01:37:07.199 --> 01:37:10.960 me around the world, and like we've said, there's been 1265 01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:15.920 numerous other people who have witnessed this and where Freddy 1266 01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:19.600 has shown up in front of them in their house 1267 01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:24.479 or their business, thousands of miles away from me. So 1268 01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:28.640 it isn't me projecting something out of my you know, 1269 01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:34.000 caller or sleeve. It's a reality that we can't escape. 1270 01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:38.119 But people have to understand. The audience needs to understand 1271 01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:43.000 this could happen to any one of you, and you 1272 01:37:43.079 --> 01:37:45.800 would be left with the same feelings that I have 1273 01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:48.000 of what do I do, who do I talk to? 1274 01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:51.079 Who can I trust? You know, do I speak to 1275 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:56.239 anybody about this? Because it's unnerving. It's even unnerving to 1276 01:37:56.399 --> 01:38:01.479 me after thirty years. It's not natural to have some 1277 01:38:02.039 --> 01:38:08.159 little gray, blue creature or alien morph into your life 1278 01:38:08.359 --> 01:38:12.479 and talk to you with telepathy for forty five minutes 1279 01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:16.920 and then morph out of your reality. It's just not normal, 1280 01:38:17.319 --> 01:38:21.079 but it is part of my life. Doctor Reda. 1281 01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:23.319 I'd really like to have you back, because there's more 1282 01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:27.199 to this story. There's when you're your house was invaded. 1283 01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:32.880 In ransacked, yes and no, Well, I would love I 1284 01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:37.479 would love to tell more, and I would love to 1285 01:38:37.520 --> 01:38:41.720 tell your audience how much I appreciate them listening and 1286 01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:46.640 trying to understand, trying to put their their self in 1287 01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:51.760 my position to better understand what this has been like 1288 01:38:52.079 --> 01:38:56.279 for me and for other people. It's an ongoing story. 1289 01:38:56.920 --> 01:38:59.840 You know, it's not just about me, but it's about 1290 01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:03.399 all of us making changes in our lives. I mean, 1291 01:39:03.479 --> 01:39:06.720 even if you look at the local news nowadays, you're 1292 01:39:06.760 --> 01:39:12.319 getting saturated with what they're calling, you know, disclosure. I 1293 01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:18.079 call it drip drip, drip, because it's so controlled, they're 1294 01:39:18.079 --> 01:39:21.119 not showing what I can show you. I mean, I 1295 01:39:21.159 --> 01:39:26.359 can show you the living being itself, both on video 1296 01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:30.560 and in photographs. They're showing lights in the sky and 1297 01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:34.880 you know, a light ball flying over the water, and 1298 01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:38.439 those are all important things, don't get me wrong. Those 1299 01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:44.319 are all things we can identify, and possibly we've seen 1300 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:47.720 several many of them have seen lights in the sky. 1301 01:39:48.359 --> 01:39:53.600 But I know what the public wants to know is 1302 01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:59.279 who's driving these these ships, what's inside of them? Where 1303 01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:01.880 are they come from? And I know a lot of 1304 01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:07.439 that detail. I mean, after thirty years of having communication, 1305 01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:11.680 I've asked all those questions, where are you from, why 1306 01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:14.640 are you here, what are you doing? How is this 1307 01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:18.960 going to affect humanity? I have asked all those questions, 1308 01:40:19.039 --> 01:40:23.239 and we can go through that another on another presentation. 1309 01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:26.159 But I just want to say, Carl and doctor j 1310 01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:31.039 thank you so much for this opportunity and for letting 1311 01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:36.520 me share my life with you and your audience. All 1312 01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:40.760 I can say is God bless us all, and please 1313 01:40:41.399 --> 01:40:44.680 take care of each other, because in this day and age, 1314 01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:47.399 that's all we have left is each other. 1315 01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:51.159 Thank you, well, thank you. It's been an honor having

1316 01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:53.199 you and Doctor J. It's been an honor having you 1317 01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:56.760 on the show. Thank you, and we look forward to 1318 01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:58.560 doing this more in the future. Like to say, it's 1319 01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:01.960 this more to the story. And I know you were 1320 01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:04.800 limited a certain amount of time tonight. I'm sure it's 1321 01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:09.199 late where you're at, and so we'll have you back, 1322 01:41:09.239 --> 01:41:09.880 that's for sure. 1323 01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:14.399 It's been an honor for me. Thank you so much everyone. 1324 01:41:14.399 --> 01:41:15.880 Thank you you all. Have a good evening. 1325 01:41:16.680 --> 01:41:20.880 I was hoping they're playing my channel. Go ahead, Oh okay, Well, 1326 01:41:20.920 --> 01:41:23.760 I hope everyone checks out on YouTube Doctor J Radio Live, 1327 01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:26.880 DRJ Radio Life. Not just the Jonathan Reid interviews. 1328 01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:31.079 There's about six hundred interviews of any upologists you can imagine. 1329 01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:34.520 And then so all right, Doctor Reid has lost a 1330 01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:38.159 new website, and I have the link on my Midnight 1331 01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:41.600 Frequency dot net page. That's all one word. You can 1332 01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:43.840 go there and click it. It's still work and progress. 1333 01:41:43.880 --> 01:41:45.920 There's a lot of photos that have to be added 1334 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:49.319 and some more information and video links and everything else. 1335 01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:54.039 So feel free to go to Midnight Frequency dot Net, 1336 01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:57.039 click on the link, and the site. Like I say, 1337 01:41:57.840 --> 01:41:59.960 over the next few days, I'll get more thanks posts 1338 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:00.600 into it. 1339 01:42:01.640 --> 01:42:04.359 And June nineteenth, Contact in the Woods and you'll be 1340 01:42:04.399 --> 01:42:07.159 able to see the trailer soon on the website that 1341 01:42:07.319 --> 01:42:07.960 Carl made. 1342 01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:09.800 And not to mention, there'll be a link to the 1343 01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:14.000 movie itself on June nineteenth as well on the website. 1344 01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:16.199 And I got to pre screen the movie, and let 1345 01:42:16.239 --> 01:42:19.359 me tell you something, it's a must watch. It covers 1346 01:42:19.359 --> 01:42:21.960 all this and has the video footage of the link, 1347 01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:29.079 dimensional shift and alien footage that was recorded. I know 1348 01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:31.680 some of it's been cleaned up with AI, but it 1349 01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:35.800 hasn't been altered. So good night, everybody, and we'll see 1350 01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:38.000 you next week. On Midnight Frequency. 1351 01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:42.000 Radio, join host Carl Richardson as he interviews top guests 1352 01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:46.159 in various fields of study, now airing live every Saturday 1353 01:42:46.239 --> 01:42:49.279 night from nine to eleven Central Time and ten pm 1354 01:42:49.319 --> 01:42:50.359 to midnight Eastern. 1355 01:42:51.279 --> 01:42:54.239 As the hour grows late and the signal begins to 1356 01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:58.239 fade into the static, we're left with more than just 1357 01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:03.760 a story tonight, or left with questions about what walks 1358 01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:07.880 in the spaces just beyond our understanding, about what may 1359 01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:12.359 be watching, waiting, or even interacting with us in ways 1360 01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:17.319 we barely comprehend. Doctor Jonathan Read's account sits at the 1361 01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:22.960 crossroads of belief and understanding, where evidence and mystery collide. 1362 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:29.319 Was it real, was it misinterpreted? Or does it represent 1363 01:43:29.479 --> 01:43:34.960 something far stranger than either explanation allows. Out Here in 1364 01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:39.920 the quiet places, in the forest, the deserts, even in 1365 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:43.119 spaces between our own thoughts, there are things we don't 1366 01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:48.079 fully understand, and maybe we're not meant to, but that 1367 01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:53.279 won't stop us from asking. Next time, on midnight frequency Radio, 1368 01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:57.880 we shift from beings of flesh to entities of shadows. 1369 01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:03.039 Our guests will be Robert Chelseky, researcher and author, joining 1370 01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:06.520 us to explore one of the most chilling and widely 1371 01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:13.399 reported paranormal phenomenon of modern times. Shadow people, dark figure 1372 01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:16.920 seen out of the corner of your eye, standing at 1373 01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:22.119 the foot of your bed, watching from doorways, or moving 1374 01:44:22.399 --> 01:44:28.640 just beyond the reach of light. Are they hallucinations? Interdimensional visitors, 1375 01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:36.119 something tied to consciousness itself? Are something else? Entirely. We'll 1376 01:44:36.159 --> 01:44:41.199 dig into eyewitness accounts, theories, and the unsettling patterns that 1377 01:44:41.239 --> 01:44:47.279 connect them. Until next time. Keep your mind open, keep 1378 01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:50.800 your eyes sharp, and remember not everything in the dark 1379 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:56.079 is hiding. Some of it is watching. For the late 1380 01:44:56.239 --> 01:45:01.720 Art Bell Joshua Stark, Josh cheers, and Lady Rosemary. I'm 1381 01:45:01.800 --> 01:45:07.119 Carl Richardson and this has been Midnight Frequency Radio. We're 1382 01:45:07.159 --> 01:45:11.079 reminding you to continue to explore the unknown. 1383 01:46:05.199 --> 01:46:05.239 H