บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Burning Man, Beekeeping & Back to Basics with James Malcolm

And then. 36 00:01:49,035 --> 00:01:52,269 Yep, always looking for some sort of adventure and shenanigans 37 00:01:52,902 --> 00:01:54,202 wherever, you know. 38 00:01:54,202 --> 00:01:55,902 It seems like you, 39 00:01:56,236 --> 00:01:57,436 have a lot of adventures. 40 00:01:57,436 --> 00:02:01,269 You go on and a lot of, hobbies and things that you like to do 41 00:02:01,302 --> 00:02:04,469 with you and your family, you know, going to Burning Man where you met Alvin. 42 00:02:04,469 --> 00:02:08,202 Then can you guys describe a little bit about that experience 43 00:02:08,202 --> 00:02:09,102 of what that was like? 44 00:02:10,036 --> 00:02:10,603 You know, 45 00:02:10,603 --> 00:02:13,603 I heard that it felt like you'd be dropped on the moon, 46 00:02:13,603 --> 00:02:16,536 and that's what it felt like when we got there. 47 00:02:16,536 --> 00:02:20,336 There was a white out that lasted about 20 hours and is not a joke. 48 00:02:20,336 --> 00:02:21,503 You had to shelter in place. 49 00:02:21,503 --> 00:02:24,503 You had dust, even in your teeth. 50 00:02:25,036 --> 00:02:27,903 And, then we had the best weather ever. 51 00:02:27,903 --> 00:02:33,770 And so you go from kind of hellish conditions to, building a camp. 52 00:02:33,770 --> 00:02:38,170 And we, became, like, best friends with James and about, you know, one day 53 00:02:38,803 --> 00:02:42,003 to then, in the middle of the night 54 00:02:42,303 --> 00:02:46,903 when you launch out in these lit up bikes to the best parties of your life, 55 00:02:47,770 --> 00:02:51,003 you go, you hit one, and then someone pulls you by the arm 56 00:02:51,003 --> 00:02:53,637 and goes, all right, we've been here long enough. It's been 30 minutes. 57 00:02:53,637 --> 00:02:56,170 We're going to go to the next best party of our lives. 58 00:02:58,170 --> 00:02:58,870 Well, I 59 00:02:58,870 --> 00:03:02,670 probably, I guess I'm used to extreme environments. 60 00:03:02,670 --> 00:03:07,370 Like, for me, like, my hobbies are like hiking, hunting, the outdoors. 61 00:03:07,437 --> 00:03:10,471 I. I work in the mountains like, harvesting the honey, with bees and 62 00:03:10,571 --> 00:03:11,471 and and whatnot. 63 00:03:11,471 --> 00:03:14,204 And so I'm used to being in a harsh environment. 64 00:03:14,204 --> 00:03:16,571 So it wasn't too much of a shock to me. 65 00:03:16,571 --> 00:03:21,537 And probably what I did think is that it's way more normal at Burning Man, 66 00:03:21,971 --> 00:03:25,438 it’s out of the gate and you can't explain it, but there's a lot of normality 67 00:03:25,438 --> 00:03:28,438 and everyone thinks it's like Instagram models and, 68 00:03:29,171 --> 00:03:31,871 and nudity and whatever else it is that. 69 00:03:31,871 --> 00:03:37,271 But there’s everyone else that's sort of participating in every different format, 70 00:03:37,304 --> 00:03:38,905 So it's like, 71 00:03:38,905 --> 00:03:42,671 and just the scale of that, like the scale that blew my mind and that it doesn't 72 00:03:42,671 --> 00:03:46,938 sleep for eight days like it's 24 hours, it's really gets under your skin 73 00:03:47,671 --> 00:03:51,972 and you know, the part that cracked me up is that I took a two year old there, 74 00:03:52,005 --> 00:03:52,838 and the two year old 75 00:03:52,838 --> 00:03:56,438 had more fun than I did because, like, everything is, like, amazing. 76 00:03:56,672 --> 00:04:00,972 Like the default world for her is boring, she’s like, Holy shit, I want to go back there. 77 00:04:02,105 --> 00:04:03,805 Wow. Yeah. 78 00:04:03,805 --> 00:04:07,139 I'm like, you know me and Alvin are biking around, looking round like, wow. 79 00:04:07,139 --> 00:04:10,605 And this child is like, you know, everything is just stimulation overload. 80 00:04:12,572 --> 00:04:15,239 You know, and I think, 81 00:04:15,239 --> 00:04:18,105 I don't know, like it, but for me, it's something that I'll partake 82 00:04:18,105 --> 00:04:21,106 in every couple of years, probably for the rest of my life. 83 00:04:21,906 --> 00:04:26,006 Like Alvin probably has mixed feelings about it, because, it is a harsh environment. 84 00:04:26,039 --> 00:04:27,506 Right? Right. 85 00:04:27,506 --> 00:04:28,106 I'm good for it. 86 00:04:28,106 --> 00:04:31,372 But, like, I was so impressed by James building 87 00:04:31,372 --> 00:04:34,372 the camp and, like, 88 00:04:34,672 --> 00:04:37,673 with just endless energy. 89 00:04:37,739 --> 00:04:39,439 But but to your point, 90 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:43,039 James was making some one of my takeaways, Jon, is that there's 91 00:04:43,039 --> 00:04:48,173 a sense of community that is, like, almost like never before. 92 00:04:48,173 --> 00:04:51,973 I mean, strangers who hug you and no cars to hide 93 00:04:51,973 --> 00:04:55,773 behind, no houses to hide behind, no cellphones to hide behind. 94 00:04:55,773 --> 00:04:57,673 No egos to hide behind. 95 00:04:57,673 --> 00:05:00,206 No nothing. There isn't a VIP ticket to Burning Man. 96 00:05:00,206 --> 00:05:02,673 It's like a ticket for everyone. 97 00:05:02,673 --> 00:05:04,573 And it's like cut your bullshit. 98 00:05:04,573 --> 00:05:09,840 I like I came away from it a little confused and probably took me. 99 00:05:11,307 --> 00:05:12,907 It's probably take me two months 100 00:05:12,907 --> 00:05:16,273 to to

really reflect on it, to be like, fuck, that was cool. 101 00:05:17,140 --> 00:05:18,040 Yeah. 102 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,707 And and to think about the interaction, so this is the part that turned me 103 00:05:20,707 --> 00:05:23,707 on the most, because, well, I think and look for 104 00:05:23,874 --> 00:05:27,174 so I look for stimulating, intelligent conversation. 105 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,540 So everywhere I went, there was intelligent conversation. 106 00:05:31,607 --> 00:05:36,474 I just intelligent people like the banter, the stories, the laughs, whatever, 107 00:05:37,041 --> 00:05:40,841 that you know everything about the is intelligent like you. 108 00:05:41,107 --> 00:05:43,574 Everyone's on the spectrum. Yeah. 109 00:05:43,574 --> 00:05:45,041 And I'm cool with that. 110 00:05:45,041 --> 00:05:47,707 Yeah, totally. 111 00:05:47,707 --> 00:05:51,074 And that's one thing about it just I was going to say it just filters out the, 112 00:05:52,241 --> 00:05:55,241 a lot of, a lot of people who, 113 00:05:56,141 --> 00:05:58,841 I don't know, you end up with the most extreme people. 114 00:05:59,941 --> 00:06:00,841 Yeah. 115 00:06:00,841 --> 00:06:01,874 Yeah. 116 00:06:05,508 --> 00:06:06,275 So we borrowed 117 00:06:06,275 --> 00:06:09,341 this old camper van from friends from Alberta, Canada, 118 00:06:09,575 --> 00:06:13,208 and some Kiwi friends of mine that live like ten minutes down the road. 119 00:06:13,508 --> 00:06:16,308 And they had this camper van based in Alberta. 120 00:06:16,308 --> 00:06:20,942 and I borrowed it once before. Last time I borrowed it Rachel was pregnant and we did a 13,000km 121 00:06:20,942 --> 00:06:26,508 road trip down through the US. ended up down in like 122 00:06:26,542 --> 00:06:29,275 We went down through the Rockies, the previous months. 123 00:06:29,275 --> 00:06:31,208 So down through the Rockies, 124 00:06:31,208 --> 00:06:32,442 to Denver. 125 00:06:32,442 --> 00:06:36,175 we went across the midway to Nashville and through New Orleans, 126 00:06:36,709 --> 00:06:39,709 Through Texas, to New Mexico up to Vegas. 127 00:06:40,909 --> 00:06:42,742 And then back up through Nevada 128 00:06:42,742 --> 00:06:45,742 and then Oregon, Washington and back into Alberta. 129 00:06:45,876 --> 00:06:46,609 Sorry. 130 00:06:46,609 --> 00:06:50,142 Rita is a bit of an old dog, and doesn't have A/C, 131 00:06:50,142 --> 00:06:52,476 unless your plugged into power at night. 132 00:06:53,642 --> 00:06:57,009 the power steering broke on the most recent trip, so now it doesn’t have power steering. 133 00:06:57,009 --> 00:06:58,676 I bought a generator for it. 134 00:06:58,676 --> 00:07:00,809 So we’re actually pretty sweet. 135 00:07:00,809 --> 00:07:03,809 But anyway, that first mission, Rach was like three months pregnant 136 00:07:04,009 --> 00:07:07,809 and she had really bad morning sickness, 137 00:07:07,809 --> 00:07:11,009 This trip was kind of designed like eight weeks. 138 00:07:11,409 --> 00:07:14,309 It was designed to, 139 00:07:14,309 --> 00:07:16,276 have a bunch of friends join us for two and three week stints, 140 00:07:16,276 --> 00:07:19,276 and a bit of a boozy sort of trip with their mates, 141 00:07:19,543 --> 00:07:23,343 Rachel was pregnant 45 degrees for three weeks in a row. 142 00:07:23,543 --> 00:07:25,943 There was a heat wave. 143 00:07:25,943 --> 00:07:26,176 Yeah. 144 00:07:26,176 --> 00:07:29,743 And so the humidity kicked in, in Nashville. 145 00:07:30,110 --> 00:07:33,677 And then it just the whole way around the bottom down through New Orleans and 146 00:07:34,110 --> 00:07:35,310 and around through to Texas. 147 00:07:35,310 --> 00:07:38,310 And it wasn't until we got back up to Oregon that it actually, 148 00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:42,110 the temp to cool off. She wanted to stab me, like it was bad. 149 00:07:42,110 --> 00:07:44,810 And we were, like, on the booze every night. Freaking having fun. 150 00:07:44,810 --> 00:07:48,044 Like like a boozy boys trip, with my pregnant wife. 151 00:07:48,810 --> 00:07:52,244 And we would get to the RV park that night or in the afternoons, 152 00:07:52,244 --> 00:07:53,110 would plug in the power, 153 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:56,444 and it would take like an hour to cool the wagon down, because it was so hot. 154 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:58,811 And we're like the oldest vehicle on the motorway, 155 00:08:00,411 --> 00:08:02,244 with, with windows down. 156 00:08:02,244 --> 00:08:05,244 It would just sitting there like half naked like on fan bake, 157 00:08:05,577 --> 00:08:06,911 and people are just looking at us, 158 00:08:06,911 --> 00:08:10,844 like who are these red necks, like Alberta number plates 159 00:08:11,777 --> 00:08:13,911 You know, way down south. 160 00:08:13,911 --> 00:08:16,378 That's the first trip of Rita. 161 00:08:16,378 --> 00:08:19,378 And then we sign up again because we're that freaking stupid. 162 00:08:20,311 --> 00:08:23,111 But then once we got to Burning Man, 163 00:08:23,111 --> 00:08:25,044 Rita was a God send, wasn’t it, Alvin? 164 00:08:25,044 --> 00:08:27,311 Like, we all took refuge in there. 165 00:08:27,311 --> 00:08:29,445 We made coffees when it wasn't coffee set up. 166 00:08:29,445 --> 00:08:31,378 We’d cook breakfasts. 167 00:08:31,378 --> 00:08:32,445 We hung out

in there. 168 00:08:32,445 --> 00:08:36,011 It was like it was my refuge from my messed up tent life. 169 00:08:37,211 --> 00:08:39,611 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just. 170 00:08:39,611 --> 00:08:40,911 It was pretty severe, 171 00:08:40,911 --> 00:08:43,012 The first couple of days we were at Burning Man. 172 00:08:43,012 --> 00:08:45,012 Like, I think like that dust storm, 173 00:08:45,012 --> 00:08:48,012 It didn't last for a long time, but the big dust storm, 174 00:08:48,378 --> 00:08:50,312 there would been probably two meters of visibility. 175 00:08:50,312 --> 00:08:53,545 And it moved through there pretty quick. 176 00:08:53,545 --> 00:08:54,412 I'd heard stories 177 00:08:54,412 --> 00:08:58,145 that the worst I'd ever seen it was you couldn't see your hand in front of you. 178 00:08:59,245 --> 00:09:00,879 So you have to look at. 179 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:03,012 It's a pretty arid environment, right? 180 00:09:03,012 --> 00:09:05,679 And its sucking the life out of you. 181 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,812 Like we had it done as well. And. 182 00:09:07,812 --> 00:09:09,979 And I hit up Rach at the end of the day and said, 183 00:09:09,979 --> 00:09:10,612 I said, you know, 184 00:09:10,612 --> 00:09:13,546 are we good for another Rita mission? And she said, I think we’re done with Rita. 185 00:09:13,546 --> 00:09:18,946 But I'm, I disagree with it. I think Rita’s got Burning Man in her, 186 00:09:19,112 --> 00:09:21,312 one more, without a child. 187 00:09:21,312 --> 00:09:25,579 But I will send her in for preventative maintenance before we go. 188 00:09:25,579 --> 00:09:25,913 Yeah. 189 00:09:25,913 --> 00:09:28,579 Maybe a tune up and, Yeah. 190 00:09:28,813 --> 00:09:34,113 Typical for running an 89 e350 old Ford camper. 191 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,779 And. Yeah, I like to strap everything to it and head into the desert. 192 00:09:39,213 --> 00:09:41,413 I do a lot of trips, but none of them are glamourous. 193 00:09:41,413 --> 00:09:43,513 So I don't need glamor in my life. 194 00:09:43,513 --> 00:09:43,980 Right. 195 00:09:43,980 --> 00:09:45,980 I need I need longevity. So it's like, hey, 196 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:48,980 I want to go, go away for a long bit, but I want to do it on the cheap. 197 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,880 And yeah, it's not that I'm backpacking, so I'm lavishing up 198 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,880 enough at like, nice restaurants and stuff, but it's like, 199 00:09:54,980 --> 00:09:59,247 you know, borrowing bits and pieces of your mates and just making shit work like, 200 00:09:59,747 --> 00:10:03,147 you know, that that's kind of who I am, like a bush mechanic. 201 00:10:03,613 --> 00:10:05,980 That like, having a laugh.. 202 00:10:07,247 --> 00:10:07,547 Well, it's 203 00:10:07,547 --> 00:10:11,380 great to be able to to know enough to fix something on the fly, 204 00:10:11,414 --> 00:10:14,447 because when you're going through the Rockies or wherever, there 205 00:10:14,514 --> 00:10:18,280 might not be a service station or anything for miles and miles. 206 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,880 So you could have that could have been a trip ender right there, 207 00:10:22,947 --> 00:10:23,947 and up. The worst part? 208 00:10:23,947 --> 00:10:26,214 That first trip. But I forgot the detail. Right. 209 00:10:26,214 --> 00:10:29,681 So we were driving up through Nevada on that first trip when Rachel's pregnant 210 00:10:29,881 --> 00:10:33,347 and we were going through Death Valley, and it started overheating. 211 00:10:33,814 --> 00:10:37,781 And, we were in roadworks and it was, like, 45 degrees, and that's just, like, what it does. 212 00:10:38,381 --> 00:10:40,781 And, and, and I had to pull over the side 213 00:10:40,781 --> 00:10:45,014 in this roadworks and we limped to the next town, and then I rang a friend. 214 00:10:45,048 --> 00:10:47,314 In New Zealand, a mechanic, and got some advice from them. 215 00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:50,381 anyway, so I thought, hey, what? 216 00:10:50,381 --> 00:10:53,015 Yeah. Tell me what's going on. Okay. The water pumps crapping out. 217 00:10:53,015 --> 00:10:58,448 And so then we looked up and there was a radiator shop in Bishop, California. 218 00:10:58,448 --> 00:11:02,148 And so we limped there through the night. Once it was cold. And I end up having 219 00:11:02,148 --> 00:11:04,748 to use the gray water underneath the shower. 220 00:11:04,748 --> 00:11:08,382 But yeah the grey water tank to fill up the radiator. And we limped there and like, 221 00:11:08,648 --> 00:11:11,648 in 15 minute increments, pretty much, for like an hour. 222 00:11:12,015 --> 00:11:14,482 It was an hour’s drive, but it took the whole night to get there. 223 00:11:14,482 --> 00:11:15,082 Right. 224 00:11:15,082 --> 00:11:17,415 And, and then we parked off of this radiator shop. 225 00:11:17,415 --> 00:11:20,415 And Jose, this Mexican dude. 226 00:11:21,182 --> 00:11:22,449 He was an absolute legend, you know? 227 00:11:22,449 --> 00:11:25,515 And so we parked up there, pregnant wife, plugged into his power, using his A/C. 228 00:11:28,015 --> 00:11:29,282 He says to me, 229 00:11:29,282 --> 00:11:33,349 like, you know, I’m leaning on the side of the the hood. 230 00:11:33,349 --> 00:11:35,982 And he's working on it. We’re there for three days 231 00:11:35,982 --> 00:11:40,082 And he says to me, if

you ask me any questions, I’ll charge you double. 232 00:11:41,716 --> 00:11:43,716 And I didn't ask any questions at all. 233 00:11:43,716 --> 00:11:46,849 I just, I just leaned there and I could see him like frustrated, 234 00:11:46,849 --> 00:11:49,616 looking for tools and stuff and he asked me little comments and stuff. 235 00:11:49,616 --> 00:11:49,949 Sure. 236 00:11:49,949 --> 00:11:52,949 And then I knew I knew what tools he's looking for, so I’d pass him the tools. 237 00:11:53,216 --> 00:11:56,349 And then he warmed to like me to the point where we drank beers every night. 238 00:11:56,549 --> 00:12:00,583 And he had kids my age, and it's like, he was a cool guy. 239 00:12:01,083 --> 00:12:02,216 Okay. Oh that's great. 240 00:12:02,216 --> 00:12:05,016 Well, we got to the end of that Friday afternoon. 241 00:12:05,016 --> 00:12:07,983 I said I'll go to the bank and get you cash to pay the bill. 242 00:12:07,983 --> 00:12:11,683 And I asked him about how much was it? and he said, 500 bucks. 243 00:12:11,683 --> 00:12:15,083 And I said, Man, there’s 500 bucks worth of parts here. 244 00:12:15,416 --> 00:12:17,650 I said, you’re ripping yourself off. 245 00:12:17,883 --> 00:12:21,283 So I went to the bank and got some cash out and gave him $900. 246 00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:25,283 I was like just, you know, it's 500 bucks worth of parts. 247 00:12:25,650 --> 00:12:27,783 So he was kind of doing you a solid, but, 248 00:12:27,783 --> 00:12:29,850 He was he was being a legend. 249 00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:34,717 He didn’t care. He didn’t need much. 250 00:12:34,984 --> 00:12:38,084 The you know, when people like that, that are super humble 251 00:12:38,350 --> 00:12:41,350 and willing to help you and don't have much themselves. 252 00:12:41,350 --> 00:12:43,650 And actually don’t care. 253 00:12:43,650 --> 00:12:47,517 That’s a cool feeling. And you’re like, No man, like you’re a good person. 254 00:12:47,517 --> 00:12:49,717 And then it's like, I know what it cost. 255 00:12:49,717 --> 00:12:52,717 Even if you jumped to 900, its probably half of what shit costs. 256 00:12:52,717 --> 00:12:53,817 Right. 257 00:12:53,817 --> 00:12:54,151 Yeah. 258 00:12:54,151 --> 00:12:57,917 But I think, I think a lot of that is your attitude. 259 00:12:57,917 --> 00:13:01,151 You know, you were right there with them throughout 260 00:13:01,151 --> 00:13:05,951 and not coming in entitled like, fix my truck. 261 00:13:05,951 --> 00:13:08,651 I'll be in the hotel, you know, with the AC cranked. 262 00:13:09,718 --> 00:13:11,318 You know, you were right there with, 263 00:13:11,318 --> 00:13:14,318 you know, befriending in helping him out.

264 00:13:14,951 --> 00:13:17,918 I think I think that really means a lot, you know? 265 00:13:17,918 --> 00:13:20,785 Well, and it's about being unassuming as well, like. 266 00:13:20,785 --> 00:13:22,318 Yeah. 267 00:13:22,318 --> 00:13:26,618 Like, I, I've run a pretty good business, and and I'm just chipping away doing me. 268 00:13:26,651 --> 00:13:27,818 But it's like he probably thought 269 00:13:27,818 --> 00:13:30,751 I was this broke backpacker with his poor wife in the back. 270 00:13:30,751 --> 00:13:34,018 which is cool, because it's like it doesn't actually matter. 271 00:13:34,052 --> 00:13:37,152 Like you can drop your ego like 272 00:13:37,152 --> 00:13:39,585 and just be real. 273 00:13:42,185 --> 00:13:45,185 We we live in a tiny house, 274 00:13:45,918 --> 00:13:49,385 down into the paddock, like where our business and stuff is based. 275 00:13:49,619 --> 00:13:53,285 So the bee business is based at one end and then at one end of the block, 276 00:13:53,285 --> 00:13:56,519 and then we're down the other end and Rachel has a setup down there for horses. 277 00:13:58,452 --> 00:14:00,085 yeah, she, 278 00:14:00,085 --> 00:14:03,086 she’s an interesting woman because he's like super relaxed, 279 00:14:03,319 --> 00:14:06,586 but she's got like the fierceness in her as well. 280 00:14:06,586 --> 00:14:09,852 Like she trains animals for a living. 281 00:14:10,052 --> 00:14:13,052 She starts them. She’s the first person to ride these horses. 282 00:14:13,252 --> 00:14:16,253 and the connection she has with them and feeling and stuff like that. 283 00:14:18,253 --> 00:14:18,519 Yeah. 284 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:22,253 Like it's a it's a pretty special talent and and just a cool woman, like that. 285 00:14:22,753 --> 00:14:23,053 Yeah. 286 00:14:23,053 --> 00:14:26,053 Understand to then work for the hands like she. 287 00:14:26,086 --> 00:14:27,819 Yeah, she’s cool. She’s a cool woman. 288 00:14:27,819 --> 00:14:31,820 And you know like she's a pretty soft in her soul as well. 289 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:35,886 Like you’ve met her, you know, Alvin. She’s kick ass. 290 00:14:35,886 --> 00:14:37,386 She's so amazing. 291 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,820 She's, she's she's a charmer. 292 00:14:39,820 --> 00:14:43,020 So let me hear, where you live 293 00:14:43,153 --> 00:14:46,453 in New Zealand because we, I don't know anything about, 294 00:14:47,653 --> 00:14:48,387 the countryside. 295 00:14:48,387 --> 00:14:51,053 I've seen great video of of where you are. 296 00:14:51,053 --> 00:14:55,920 You've got a big vegetable garden and, and, a view of horses and hillsides. 297 00:14:56,053 --> 00:14:58,153 Can

you tell us about where you live? 298 00:14:58,153 --> 00:14:58,587 Yeah. 299 00:14:58,587 --> 00:15:01,387 So we live in the center of the South Islands. 300 00:15:01,387 --> 00:15:04,087 So there’s the North and South Islands that make up New Zealand. 301 00:15:04,087 --> 00:15:07,320 plus a bunch of small islands. But two main islands. 302 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,620 And we're in the center of the South Island 303 00:15:09,620 --> 00:15:12,820 and the closest city to us is called, Christchurch. 304 00:15:13,421 --> 00:15:17,587 And we're 45 minutes, towards the mountain from Christchurch. 305 00:15:17,587 --> 00:15:20,587 So we're right on the edge of some beautiful mountain is awesome 306 00:15:20,587 --> 00:15:25,621 walking trails, beautiful clean, pristine rivers, beaches like 30 minutes away. 307 00:15:26,121 --> 00:15:27,521 Winery is about 30 minutes away. 308 00:15:27,521 --> 00:15:30,154 Like, it's actually quite a cool area where we live. 309 00:15:30,154 --> 00:15:31,354 And, yeah, 310 00:15:31,354 --> 00:15:34,888 the only thing I could probably fault about New Zealand is it's weather. So, 311 00:15:35,954 --> 00:15:38,688 yeah, we get to nice weather in the summer, but it's like 312 00:15:38,688 --> 00:15:41,688 you can have like four seasons in one day just because it's a little island nation 313 00:15:41,688 --> 00:15:45,821 surrounded by water just gets smoked by different weather systems. 314 00:15:47,721 --> 00:15:50,721 Versus you guys, being in a big continent whatever. 315 00:15:50,755 --> 00:15:54,621 Like, so you know, New Zealand is beautiful because of its harshness. 316 00:15:54,788 --> 00:15:57,788 So, you know, mountainous terrain, lush forests, 317 00:15:57,855 --> 00:15:59,988 you know, green rolling hills, but because, 318 00:15:59,988 --> 00:16:01,155 Yeah. Like it. 319 00:16:01,155 --> 00:16:01,322 Yeah. 320 00:16:01,322 --> 00:16:05,088 There always can come sort of adverse weather system smacking into it. 321 00:16:05,388 --> 00:16:06,988 But I love how you can live off the land. 322 00:16:06,988 --> 00:16:11,055 I mean you've got your, you got a big vegetable garden 323 00:16:11,055 --> 00:16:14,055 and then you, you've mentioned that you can, 324 00:16:14,055 --> 00:16:16,489 you can go down the road and fish for yourself. 325 00:16:16,489 --> 00:16:19,055 Can you, can you tell me a little more? 326 00:16:19,055 --> 00:16:22,822 Aww so, you know, like some of my hobbies, like I'm into vegetable gardening. 327 00:16:22,822 --> 00:16:25,822 Like, for me, vegetable gardening in therapy. 328 00:16:25,889 --> 00:16:28,289 My granddad was a keen vegetable gardener. 329 00:16:28,289 --> 00:16:29,522 My grandparents retired young. 330 00:16:29,522 --> 00:16:31,722 My parents were super busy, so I spent heaps of time with them. 331 00:16:31,722 --> 00:16:35,289 So my grandparents were into fishing and hunting and living off the land. 332 00:16:35,322 --> 00:16:37,589 And they retired at 50. 333 00:16:37,589 --> 00:16:38,622 Uhm, 334 00:16:38,622 --> 00:16:41,923 Well, they had plenty, plenty on time on their hands and then they had a massive veggie garden. 335 00:16:41,923 --> 00:16:44,756 So I guess I was brought up with that. 336 00:16:45,423 --> 00:16:48,223 My parents were, well, my dad was an organic cropping farmer. 337 00:16:48,223 --> 00:16:51,589 So, like that has been instilled in me. 338 00:16:52,756 --> 00:16:54,956 You know that living off the land concept, 339 00:16:54,956 --> 00:16:56,656 So I have a big, veggie garden. 340 00:16:56,656 --> 00:17:00,656 I'd say that we probably don't buy any vegetables, for about eight months of a year. 341 00:17:01,390 --> 00:17:04,123 We can we purely live off this veggie garden for eight months of the year, 342 00:17:04,123 --> 00:17:07,723 four months, where we’re over seas, or, buying from the store. 343 00:17:07,723 --> 00:17:08,123 Or whatever. 344 00:17:08,123 --> 00:17:09,957 Fantastic. 345 00:17:09,957 --> 00:17:13,223 My, my vegetable garden is my therapy, so I don't have TV. 346 00:17:14,223 --> 00:17:19,090 And I go in there at night, like after dinner and I pull some weeds and plant some stuff, 347 00:17:19,657 --> 00:17:22,623 like, it's, it's pretty basic, but there's, like, I guess there's 348 00:17:22,623 --> 00:17:25,790 some fundamentals that you've got to be you've got to understand, 349 00:17:25,790 --> 00:17:28,690 like how to look after the soil, compost and things like that. 350 00:17:28,690 --> 00:17:30,557 And, you know, i’m into fishing and diving. 351 00:17:30,557 --> 00:17:32,524 So when I'm fishing, I'm like, collecting seaweed 352 00:17:32,524 --> 00:17:34,390 and keeping my fish bodies and stuff like that. 353 00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:35,890 I then and I bury them in my garden 354 00:17:35,890 --> 00:17:39,491 and I make my compost and I make them up and bucket and make. 355 00:17:40,057 --> 00:17:41,591 Yeah. Let them rot away too. 356 00:17:41,591 --> 00:17:44,657 It's like yeah it it pretty wholesome. 357 00:17:45,491 --> 00:17:50,124 I think a lot of people don't, don't think about that in terms of, 358 00:17:51,091 --> 00:17:52,424 how to add, 359 00:17:52,591 --> 00:17:54,791 more, nutrient rich, 360 00:17:54,791 --> 00:17:56,124 products to their garden. 361 00:17:56,124 --> 00:18:00,724 You know, they think of what bottle can I

spray on it or what can I add to it? 362 00:18:00,724 --> 00:18:06,258 But, really going with compost or, creating your own. 363 00:18:06,258 --> 00:18:09,258 And so, so you're almost into, like, a no waste, 364 00:18:10,625 --> 00:18:14,191 kind of lifestyle, which is just fantastic. 365 00:18:14,191 --> 00:18:17,558 And I guess it's probably interesting that I've done this you know, 366 00:18:17,591 --> 00:18:22,292 you know, a younger person, because it's been instilled in me and, 367 00:18:22,325 --> 00:18:24,025 Yeah, like I said, like I'm, 368 00:18:24,025 --> 00:18:28,525 I've got some cool mates and mentors that, that, that fully live off the land 369 00:18:28,525 --> 00:18:32,458 and they own nothing, but they're like the richest people I know. 370 00:18:33,092 --> 00:18:33,225 Yeah. 371 00:18:33,225 --> 00:18:36,492 I'm living in little bush shacks and stuff like, you know, and coastal communities 372 00:18:36,825 --> 00:18:39,192 and the in New Zealand, and I’ve learned some cool stuff off them. 373 00:18:39,192 --> 00:18:43,992 And just like cool appreciation, and you know I'm like everything's treasure. 374 00:18:44,192 --> 00:18:47,059 So it's like you know like yeah for us, 375 00:18:47,059 --> 00:18:49,292 like we have this big wood fire outside our house. 376 00:18:49,425 --> 00:18:51,559 On the deck and we, 377 00:18:52,959 --> 00:18:53,192 yeah. 378 00:18:53,192 --> 00:18:56,926 I say to my friends when we’re standing around with beers and stuff, we barbecue with wood 379 00:18:57,226 --> 00:19:00,226 and we stand around the fire cooking on it and stuff like that. 380 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,492 And I say to my mates, don’t put any rubbish in there because in that fire, 381 00:19:05,293 --> 00:19:07,426 I'll try to like meat bones and fish shells and stuff 382 00:19:07,426 --> 00:19:09,226 and after we have cooked in them. 383 00:19:09,226 --> 00:19:12,693 But then I used the ash from that fire to put 384 00:19:12,693 --> 00:19:15,693 use that as pot ash on my veggie garden. 385 00:19:15,893 --> 00:19:18,059 So nice. I'm like, it is the whole. 386 00:19:18,059 --> 00:19:19,526 Yes, the cycle of life. 387 00:19:19,526 --> 00:19:21,426 Yeah. That's so cool. 388 00:19:21,426 --> 00:19:21,760 Yeah. 389 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,193 So, you know, like, you keeping your fish bodies you’re picking up the seaweed, 390 00:19:26,326 --> 00:19:28,960 for mulching you garden and, and you know, 391 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,926 and the pot ash and stuff from your fire. 392 00:19:31,393 --> 00:19:32,793 Yeah. It just it just everything. 393 00:19:32,793 --> 00:19:34,027 I'm quite conscientious 394 00:19:34,027 --> 00:19:38,127 of like of my footprint and, and you know, I'm not saying I'm like, 395 00:19:38,127 --> 00:19:42,460 I don't believe in chemicals, but I'm like, you know, minimize them. 396 00:19:42,627 --> 00:19:43,793 Only use them when 397 00:19:43,793 --> 00:19:46,593 You really get a problem like. And trade and spray everything. 398 00:19:46,593 --> 00:19:47,927 It's like, yeah. 399 00:19:47,927 --> 00:19:51,027 Like you've got to have the tools in the toolbox if you've got problem. But, 400 00:19:52,427 --> 00:19:53,260 you know, 401 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:56,994 try and just keep it as simple and, and basic as possible 402 00:19:56,994 --> 00:20:00,694 with like, you know, fundamental, you know, policies and it's. 403 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,761 Well, I, it's the nutrients and stuff that you really need. 404 00:20:03,827 --> 00:20:04,261 Yeah. 405 00:20:04,261 --> 00:20:06,761 It's also like, you know, I'm not saying. 406 00:20:06,761 --> 00:20:10,194 I use my human waste on my veggie garden, but I definitely use horse shit. 407 00:20:11,561 --> 00:20:11,861 Yeah. 408 00:20:11,861 --> 00:20:14,861 But it but it's all just nutrient, right? 409 00:20:14,894 --> 00:20:15,194 Right. 410 00:20:15,194 --> 00:20:18,461 And again you've got some because you've got the horses 411 00:20:18,494 --> 00:20:21,494 and so why not use it. 412 00:20:21,794 --> 00:20:22,861 Yeah. 413 00:20:22,861 --> 00:20:25,528 James, can you talk a little bit about the beekeeping? 414 00:20:25,528 --> 00:20:28,094 You know, that's another 415 00:20:28,094 --> 00:20:30,828 another thing that I would love to learn more about. 416 00:20:30,828 --> 00:20:37,195 I currently run 5500 beehives, and we've got a, full time team of 15. 417 00:20:37,995 --> 00:20:40,228 We've got two full time queen breeders, 418 00:20:41,261 --> 00:20:42,461 like 10 beekeepers, 419 00:20:42,461 --> 00:20:44,728 and some other staffers and [???] 420 00:20:44,928 --> 00:20:45,961 holy cow. 421 00:20:45,961 --> 00:20:48,495 we produce roughly about 300 ton of honey. 422 00:20:48,495 --> 00:20:50,228 So we are Manuka honey specialists. 423 00:20:50,228 --> 00:20:51,695 So that's what we do. 424 00:20:51,695 --> 00:20:54,095 Manuka honey. 425 00:20:54,095 --> 00:20:55,028 Pretty much. 426 00:20:55,028 --> 00:20:56,428 Yeah, yeah. 427 00:20:56,428 --> 00:20:59,728 Work with landowners and whatnot that own the property that we produce it on. 428 00:20:59,728 --> 00:21:00,728 Share the profits with them. 429 00:21:00,862 --> 00:21:03,795 the on the get it to a barrel and then we sell it 430 00:21:03,795 --> 00:21:06,795 to package exporters. 431

00:21:06,929 --> 00:21:08,529 So that's what we do. 432 00:21:08,529 --> 00:21:09,962 So I started it from nothing. 433 00:21:09,962 --> 00:21:13,129 I thought I would 10 beehives when I was 18 and have built up 434 00:21:13,229 --> 00:21:16,162 like, not a bad little business. 435 00:21:16,162 --> 00:21:18,062 Yeah. Oh, I love it. 436 00:21:18,062 --> 00:21:20,362 It frustrates me, because the farming, the weather, 437 00:21:20,362 --> 00:21:22,596 And I live in New Zealand, that. Sure. It's. 438 00:21:22,596 --> 00:21:24,229 Yeah. Like, there's a lot of, like. 439 00:21:24,229 --> 00:21:26,429 Yeah. Moving parts pretty much. So. 440 00:21:27,429 --> 00:21:28,696 And you've got to be pretty nimble. 441 00:21:28,696 --> 00:21:30,963 So it's like decision making. 442 00:21:30,963 --> 00:21:34,729 Like last week we had 100mm of rain. 443 00:21:34,729 --> 00:21:36,996 Before that, things were pretty dry. And I'm thinking okay sweet. 444 00:21:36,996 --> 00:21:39,996 Well, lets change this. This is our new game plan. 445 00:21:40,029 --> 00:21:42,763 So we pretty like fluid 446 00:21:42,763 --> 00:21:46,863 to how the plan works, we make a game plan of what we're up to for the year. 447 00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:49,796 So like, yeah, that’s what we do. 448 00:21:49,796 --> 00:21:51,630 And you export to, 449 00:21:52,930 --> 00:21:55,596 tell me what countries. 450 00:21:55,596 --> 00:21:58,263 So I mean, we use a lot of freight forwarders, but, 451 00:21:58,263 --> 00:22:01,197 you know, we'll go through the middle men, but I mean direct, 452 00:22:01,197 --> 00:22:02,363 we do stuff in the US, 453 00:22:02,497 --> 00:22:04,930 Australia and then Europe, 454 00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:08,730 and then through the main other companies and stuff 455 00:22:08,730 --> 00:22:11,863 we deal with our honey goes to China, Europe, 456 00:22:12,997 --> 00:22:15,997 UK, and Japan, and, 457 00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:18,897 other parts of Asia. 458 00:22:18,897 --> 00:22:21,364 It’s pretty much going everywhere. 459 00:22:21,564 --> 00:22:25,364 You’ve got me putting honey in my coffee, since you mentioned that at Burning Man. 460 00:22:26,264 --> 00:22:27,430 Honey in your coffee? 461 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:30,431 Wow. Yeah, he's got he's got me on to that. 462 00:22:31,031 --> 00:22:32,364 It's actually really good, eh? 463 00:22:32,364 --> 00:22:33,397 It's so good. 464 00:22:33,397 --> 00:22:39,697 And then before before we met, my, my 17 year old was a honey, enthusiast 465 00:22:39,697 --> 00:22:45,098 because he somehow found out there's testosterone boost from honey. 466 00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:47,431 I didn't know that. 467 00:22:47,431 --> 00:22:50,431 Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. 468 00:22:50,664 --> 00:22:51,831 Sounds like we all need to eat more. 469 00:22:51,831 --> 00:22:54,698 Well, I was gonna say, where's where's my, Manuka honey? 470 00:22:54,864 --> 00:22:56,264 Excellent. 471 00:22:56,264 --> 00:22:58,598 Yeah. It's like, get the libido working. 472 00:22:58,598 --> 00:23:00,231 Yeah, yeah. 473 00:23:00,231 --> 00:23:02,398 I want to ask you about Kiwi culture, James. 474 00:23:02,398 --> 00:23:04,698 And I like the culture of travel. 475 00:23:04,698 --> 00:23:08,165 I mean, the and I figure, you know, similar to the Aussies 476 00:23:08,165 --> 00:23:10,365 too forgive the, the analogy, but, 477 00:23:11,865 --> 00:23:14,098 it's just so outward looking, the culture. 478 00:23:14,098 --> 00:23:14,498 Right? 479 00:23:14,498 --> 00:23:17,698 I mean, we talked about meeting up in Thailand next year, 480 00:23:18,098 --> 00:23:21,332 but could you just speak to what it means to be a Kiwi, for, 481 00:23:21,498 --> 00:23:23,965 from a travel perspective? 482 00:23:23,965 --> 00:23:26,965 I think because it's such a small country. 483 00:23:28,132 --> 00:23:29,165 It like at any time. 484 00:23:29,165 --> 00:23:31,532 So we only have a population of like 5.5 million. 485 00:23:31,532 --> 00:23:34,865 And I think any time is up to a million 486 00:23:34,865 --> 00:23:36,432 Kiwis over seas. 487 00:23:37,865 --> 00:23:38,332 yeah. 488 00:23:38,332 --> 00:23:39,365 Like at any one time. 489 00:23:39,365 --> 00:23:43,166 Like, so like that much of our population is abroad 490 00:23:43,432 --> 00:23:46,566 just because like there's definitely negatives to New Zealand, 491 00:23:47,299 --> 00:23:50,499 as far as you know, stereotypes and small poppy syndrome. 492 00:23:50,499 --> 00:23:53,766 And, you know, I'm like, just, you know, like, you've got a big personality. 493 00:23:53,766 --> 00:23:55,733 It's like you're probably too big for this place. 494 00:23:55,733 --> 00:23:58,166 depending on where you are, like, you know, typical. But. 495 00:23:58,166 --> 00:24:01,633 Rural settings. There’s definitely a lot of tourists and stuff here. 496 00:24:01,633 --> 00:24:05,099 So they bring, like, more open mindedness and its cool seeing that. 497 00:24:06,833 --> 00:24:09,833 But, you know, definitely as a Kiwi, there’s a real urge to 498 00:24:09,866 --> 00:24:12,866 ready to go have a look overseas and trip. 499 00:24:13,733 --> 00:24:16,866 So a lot of people and it's kind of like the concept of an OE, 500 00:24:16,866 --> 00:24:20,033 like it's a real Kiwi/Aussie thing to be like. 501 00:24:20,866 --> 00:24:21,766 You

going on an OE. 502 00:24:21,766 --> 00:24:25,600 He finished uni, we go to school and he's like, I'm going to go, go travel 503 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,633 and find myself and figure myself out for the next 3 or 4 years. 504 00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:32,967 It's like, so travel is education for life, man. 505 00:24:33,433 --> 00:24:35,267 Fully agree, fully agree. 506 00:24:35,267 --> 00:24:37,633 Like it makes you worldly. 507 00:24:37,633 --> 00:24:40,234 Like I love Ozzie. Like Australia is a good place 508 00:24:40,234 --> 00:24:43,234 and I and I have some really good friends over here. 509 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,067 And it's pretty easy for us to travel over there like, we we need a passport, 510 00:24:47,067 --> 00:24:49,834 but we don't need a visa to go there, so we can go over there. 511 00:24:49,834 --> 00:24:50,500 Vice versa. 512 00:24:52,967 --> 00:24:54,534 yeah, a lot of periods and all the like. 513 00:24:54,534 --> 00:24:55,401 Yeah. And just like that. 514 00:24:55,401 --> 00:24:58,101 They’re like our cousins pretty much. Yeah. 515 00:24:58,101 --> 00:25:02,901 From Christchurch City to any of the cities on the, the East coast of Australia, 516 00:25:02,934 --> 00:25:07,101 like, you know, Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne that pretty much like a 3 or 4 hour flight. 517 00:25:08,034 --> 00:25:10,034 So its nothing. 518 00:25:10,034 --> 00:25:10,601 Oh, okay. 519 00:25:10,601 --> 00:25:13,101 And that's really, that's really close. Yeah. 520 00:25:13,101 --> 00:25:16,101 Yeah, yeah. And it's 521 00:25:16,101 --> 00:25:17,201 Yeah, it's, it's not that far. 522 00:25:17,201 --> 00:25:21,001 And more often than not it's cheaper to fly to Australia than it is to 523 00:25:21,068 --> 00:25:23,001 than it is to fly domestically in New Zealand. 524 00:25:24,701 --> 00:25:25,868 Yeah. Totally. 525 00:25:25,868 --> 00:25:28,335 Yeah. That's where we'd go holiday. You wouldn't go holiday in New Zealand. 526 00:25:28,335 --> 00:25:31,335 As a Kiwi. You wouldn’t go to the North Island. Uh, should. 527 00:25:31,501 --> 00:25:33,835 But like it would be cheaper to go to Australia. 528 00:25:34,535 --> 00:25:36,335 Wow. But yeah. 529 00:25:37,535 --> 00:25:38,568 And it's like another. 530 00:25:38,568 --> 00:25:39,235 You were telling me 531 00:25:39,235 --> 00:25:42,368 it's like another country going to northern New Zealand to cities 532 00:25:43,068 --> 00:25:45,302 and you know, New Zealand is a long, skinny country, 533 00:25:45,302 --> 00:25:49,002 and it’s got its Alps running the length of it. The length of the South Island particularly. 534 00:25:49,135 --> 00:25:51,502 And in the North Island, 535 00:25:51,902 --> 00:25:54,102 it's got one third of the land mass, 536 00:25:54,102 --> 00:25:56,435 and it got two thirds of the population. 537 00:25:56,435 --> 00:25:58,102 In the South Island got two thirds of the land mass, 538 00:25:58,102 --> 00:25:59,669 and one third of the population. 539 00:25:59,669 --> 00:26:02,669 And it's generally because it's colder down here. 540 00:26:03,069 --> 00:26:06,202 Yeah, people moved up there because it's like more tropical, 541 00:26:06,269 --> 00:26:08,736 Especially in the northern half the Island. 542 00:26:08,736 --> 00:26:11,736 LIke its a nice climate, its more balmy, 543 00:26:11,902 --> 00:26:14,002 and yeah, people gravitate towards there 544 00:26:14,002 --> 00:26:16,402 and, and, and theres bigger centers up there. 545 00:26:16,402 --> 00:26:19,536 Our biggest city is Auckland, the top of the North Island. 546 00:26:21,469 --> 00:26:22,436 But, you know, 547 00:26:22,603 --> 00:26:24,769 the North Island is a beautiful place. 548 00:26:25,703 --> 00:26:28,869 And it's interesting, like, New Zealand, it's the same as the US. 549 00:26:28,869 --> 00:26:32,636 It's like, you know, here the landscape changes every 3 hours. 550 00:26:33,569 --> 00:26:36,136 Whereas, in the US it takes a couple days for the landscape to change. 551 00:26:36,336 --> 00:26:39,236 So, but it's the same concept of 552 00:26:39,503 --> 00:26:43,603 of that changing landscape, but it just compressed into a tiny small area. 553 00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:47,470 But it's very similar, you know, like, 554 00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:52,170 if you thought about, any part of the west coast of the US, from top to bottom, 555 00:26:52,837 --> 00:26:55,837 and you say, hey, thats the same as New Zealand 556 00:26:55,937 --> 00:26:56,770 just compress it. 557 00:26:59,203 --> 00:26:59,437 Yeah. 558 00:26:59,437 --> 00:27:02,537 Like I, I probably can't wait to retire for myself. 559 00:27:02,537 --> 00:27:05,537 And obviously I’ve got a lot of living to do between now and then, but I, 560 00:27:05,670 --> 00:27:08,570 I can't wait to retire so that I can do my hobbies full time 561 00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:10,070 the bit. 562 00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:10,370 Yeah. 563 00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:12,237 Because I've got so many hobby like, Yeah. 564 00:27:12,237 --> 00:27:14,970 I into diving, fishing, hunting. 565 00:27:14,970 --> 00:27:17,937 I started enjoying golf. 566 00:27:17,937 --> 00:27:18,404 Oh wow. 567 00:27:18,404 --> 00:27:19,404 Like traveling. 568 00:27:19,404 --> 00:27:22,337 I like veggie gardening. 569 00:27:22,337 --> 00:27:22,671 yeah. 570 00:27:22,671 --> 00:27:25,971 And like traveling

and seeing cool shit, and being stimulated. 571 00:27:26,671 --> 00:27:28,637 like, I like doing new things. 572 00:27:28,637 --> 00:27:32,938 As a Kiwi we’re all into, like, food and we're surrounded by water. 573 00:27:32,971 --> 00:27:36,771 with, surrounded by probably some of the best seafood in the world, 574 00:27:37,671 --> 00:27:40,671 that which is still so plentiful, like, it's, it's like, 575 00:27:40,904 --> 00:27:43,904 yeah, there's regulations and stuff on how much you take, but it's like, 576 00:27:44,504 --> 00:27:47,171 it's and it's starting to get deteriorated, just because of, 577 00:27:47,171 --> 00:27:47,938 you know, human impact. 578 00:27:47,938 --> 00:27:50,938 Like, it's like, you know, recreation and commercial. 579 00:27:51,038 --> 00:27:52,705 But yeah. 580 00:27:52,705 --> 00:27:56,538 Like we, we do a lot of power diving, which is abalone, lobster. 581 00:27:57,571 --> 00:28:00,338 Scallops, oysters, 582 00:28:00,338 --> 00:28:04,372 other creatures that people eat from the water, lots of mussels, but. 583 00:28:04,372 --> 00:28:06,105 Yeah, like, particularly like crayfish. 584 00:28:06,105 --> 00:28:08,938 Like crayfish and lobster. That’s, 585 00:28:08,938 --> 00:28:10,338 the main thing we dive for. 586 00:28:10,338 --> 00:28:12,438 And abalone, so. 587 00:28:12,472 --> 00:28:15,038 And and it's kind of like, you know, you came out with a mate 588 00:28:15,038 --> 00:28:16,672 oh, the seas flat. 589 00:28:16,672 --> 00:28:17,572 Such and such a place. 590 00:28:17,572 --> 00:28:19,339 And it's like, I'll meet you here and 591 00:28:19,339 --> 00:28:22,339 and we'll go for a dive and, you know, collecting food. 592 00:28:23,672 --> 00:28:25,072 That's part of our life. 593 00:28:25,072 --> 00:28:27,739 So, you know, 594 00:28:27,739 --> 00:28:28,939 instead of buying that stuff from the store. 595 00:28:28,939 --> 00:28:31,872 So like it would be cheaper to buy from the store, but, 596 00:28:31,872 --> 00:28:34,972 You know, the money you spend on your equipment and driving to that spot, 597 00:28:35,339 --> 00:28:40,106 but that's just part of the the whole part of being Kiwi in the outdoors. And, 598 00:28:41,406 --> 00:28:43,606 and a way of life, pretty much. 599 00:28:43,606 --> 00:28:44,873 it's like fishing, you know, 600 00:28:44,873 --> 00:28:48,539 sometimes you don't catch anything, sometimes you do, but it's the fishing. 601 00:28:48,539 --> 00:28:50,773 That's the point. Yeah. 602 00:28:50,773 --> 00:28:51,006 Yeah. 603 00:28:51,006 --> 00:28:54,006 And like, so earlier this year, 604 00:28:54,073 --> 00:28:56,706 before I went to the US, I went to the Isle of Man.

605 00:28:56,706 --> 00:28:58,739 and I went to the Isle of Man TT Race. 606 00:28:58,739 --> 00:29:01,040 So yeah, it's, that that motorbike race, 607 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,106 That famous road bike race. 608 00:29:03,106 --> 00:29:05,473 Where they race around that island. 609 00:29:05,473 --> 00:29:06,473 Yeah. 610 00:29:06,473 --> 00:29:09,673 And and I was hosted by a honey buyer, and that's why I went there. 611 00:29:09,906 --> 00:29:11,406 Who, the honey buyer’s based there. 612 00:29:11,406 --> 00:29:13,040 And and that was a bucket list thing. 613 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,307 And I kind of have a bucket list of stuff that I'm starting to tick off. 614 00:29:16,307 --> 00:29:18,307 Now. I don't want to wait till later. 615 00:29:18,307 --> 00:29:18,707 I’m like, right-o. 616 00:29:18,707 --> 00:29:22,873 I start ticking the stuff off, like, you know, like, some real cool adventures. 617 00:29:22,873 --> 00:29:25,140 And that was one of them, to go to the Isle of Man TT. 618 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,007 And this is the first 619 00:29:27,007 --> 00:29:30,240 year in 107 years that no one died. 620 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,407 At the Isle of Man. 621 00:29:31,707 --> 00:29:33,907 I mean, so and it's only been two years, 622 00:29:33,907 --> 00:29:37,107 Sorry, there’s only been 2 years, and it’s been 107 years, that no-one has died. 623 00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:40,507 that was one of them. And it's. 624 00:29:40,507 --> 00:29:40,740 Yeah. 625 00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:43,907 Like, I guess it's just after living and ticking stuff off. 626 00:29:43,907 --> 00:29:45,374 I'd been invited to, 627 00:29:46,207 --> 00:29:48,641 a desert rally, this next winter. 628 00:29:48,641 --> 00:29:50,341 New Zealand winter, so May / June. 629 00:29:51,674 --> 00:29:54,841 and it's in Australia, and it’s called the the [???] Rally. and it's kind of like the DAKAR, 630 00:29:54,841 --> 00:29:57,641 but it's like in Australia, 631 00:29:57,641 --> 00:30:00,108 there’s a mate of mine from New Zealand, 632 00:30:00,108 --> 00:30:03,241 and he’s down there doing an endurance motorbike race. 633 00:30:03,241 --> 00:30:07,374 And a couple of mates and me, one of them is a helicopter pilot. 634 00:30:07,408 --> 00:30:09,808 So we said, let’s charter a helicopter, 635 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:12,341 and we’ll pitch them together, 636 00:30:12,675 --> 00:30:17,375 and we’ll be this guy’s support crew, and drink beers and have fun. 637 00:30:18,975 --> 00:30:21,275 So, you know, that random hobbies and interest that 638 00:30:21,275 --> 00:30:24,341 that interest me and I want to have a look at that. 639 00:30:25,975 --> 00:30:26,342 you know, 640 00:30:26,342 --> 00:30:29,342 and and beyond beekeeping, I would like to. 641 00:30:29,375 --> 00:30:30,442 Yeah, yeah. 642 00:30:30,442 --> 00:30:33,242 I don't know what I want to do, but I would like to do a bunch of stuff, 643 00:30:33,242 --> 00:30:37,042 I think be based in the US, I'd like to go do a summer in Antarctica. 644 00:30:37,175 --> 00:30:40,342 Like, it's just a bunch of fulfilling things. 645 00:30:40,942 --> 00:30:44,975 And and generally it might be to, like, I'll hear about some sort of mischief 646 00:30:44,975 --> 00:30:46,675 that happens at events, you know. 647 00:30:46,809 --> 00:30:47,909 So they'd be like, oh, there's the event, 648 00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:51,775 And they'd be like, oh, I hear there's this about a wild party and naughty Woman, 649 00:30:51,775 --> 00:30:56,376 and this debauchery that goes on and I'm like, lightbulb, I want to see that. 650 00:30:57,142 --> 00:30:57,342 Yeah. 651 00:30:57,342 --> 00:30:59,909 And and luckily I've got a cool partner that's like, yeah, let's go. 652 00:30:59,909 --> 00:31:01,276 Let's go have a look at that, you know. 653 00:31:01,276 --> 00:31:02,576 Or go have fun. 654 00:31:02,576 --> 00:31:04,142 You know, but don't tell me about it. 655 00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:08,276 It’s, just... 656 00:31:08,276 --> 00:31:11,343 it's such a great, philosophy of life. 657 00:31:11,343 --> 00:31:13,809 You guys just, 658 00:31:13,809 --> 00:31:16,743 just say yes and then figure it out later. 659 00:31:16,743 --> 00:31:19,043 How the heck you're going to make it happen. 660 00:31:20,243 --> 00:31:23,109 And more recently in our relationship, you know it. 661 00:31:23,109 --> 00:31:25,076 There's some stuff that happened in the past, 662 00:31:25,076 --> 00:31:26,876 that’s like, oh, Devil’s Learnings. 663 00:31:26,876 --> 00:31:30,210 But it's like now we we kind of have an attitude with like, 664 00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:33,210 well, yeah, you're allowed to do whatever you want 665 00:31:33,310 --> 00:31:36,910 and then it becomes such an afterwards, you know, you decide to do that 666 00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:39,977 and then like we'll figure it out and then, you know, just be like, well, 667 00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:44,343 you're allowed to have a full life and live and make choices 668 00:31:44,343 --> 00:31:47,543 that sometimes are marginal, but it's like, we'll figure it out. 669 00:31:49,977 --> 00:31:52,877 That's part of what impressed me about meeting you. 670 00:31:52,877 --> 00:31:58,910 Like your energy, your energy really comes across, like, right away. 671 00:32:00,110 --> 00:32:02,777 James, like, is magnetic. 672 00:32:02,777 -->

00:32:05,777 And it wasn't just Rita. 673 00:32:06,744 --> 00:32:08,577 Or the coffee. 674 00:32:08,577 --> 00:32:10,544 Yeah. James. James was. 675 00:32:10,544 --> 00:32:13,944 James was holding a cup of coffee and a beer and in each hand. 676 00:32:13,944 --> 00:32:15,611 So that that's how we were. 677 00:32:15,611 --> 00:32:17,777 How we were rolling. 678 00:32:20,277 --> 00:32:22,011 What are you doing to stay fit, my friend? 679 00:32:22,011 --> 00:32:24,211 You're fit. 680 00:32:24,411 --> 00:32:27,078 Yeah, I I I, I have been 681 00:32:27,078 --> 00:32:30,078 maintaining some fitness like, 682 00:32:30,111 --> 00:32:33,111 for me because we live beside the mountain and we've got two dogs. 683 00:32:33,744 --> 00:32:34,211 Like that. 684 00:32:34,211 --> 00:32:36,711 Those dogs need exercise, so, 685 00:32:36,711 --> 00:32:40,578 they have the roam of our that 5 acres, where they have electrical shock collars. 686 00:32:40,578 --> 00:32:41,711 With a boundary fence. 687 00:32:41,711 --> 00:32:44,945 And they've got five acres where they can just roam. 688 00:32:45,045 --> 00:32:45,778 Yeah. All day. 689 00:32:45,778 --> 00:32:47,511 We don't even lock them up when we go every weekend 690 00:32:47,511 --> 00:32:51,545 they hang at home and sort of watch the property and, Yeah. So. 691 00:32:51,545 --> 00:32:54,545 So we spend a bit time in the mountains, walking, running the dog. 692 00:32:55,212 --> 00:32:57,412 And those trails are like ten minutes from my house. 693 00:32:58,578 --> 00:32:59,612 The beach is pretty close. 694 00:32:59,612 --> 00:33:02,612 So, yeah, I like running at the beach and, 695 00:33:03,812 --> 00:33:05,312 just live a pretty active life. 696 00:33:05,312 --> 00:33:06,945 So, yeah, I'll let the gym. 697 00:33:06,945 --> 00:33:09,945 I've got a real soft spot for the sauna. 698 00:33:10,312 --> 00:33:12,345 Yeah, yeah, I just 699 00:33:12,345 --> 00:33:15,412 yeah, I've got myself a smoothie right here that I had for breakfast. 700 00:33:16,912 --> 00:33:18,912 Yeah, just, I don't know, it’s just kind of how I live. 701 00:33:18,912 --> 00:33:19,812 I lit like it. Just. 702 00:33:19,812 --> 00:33:22,279 You can put a bit of negatives in there, but you gotta. 703 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:23,579 Everything else has to be healthy. 704 00:33:26,579 --> 00:33:29,512 Hey, speaking of being active and 705 00:33:29,512 --> 00:33:34,746 and not healthy, tell us a little bit about your bull riding, days. 706 00:33:35,546 --> 00:33:38,546 Okay, so back in the day when I used to rodeo, so. 707 00:33:38,679 --> 00:33:41,679 I rodeo’d from 17 to about 23. 708 00:33:41,846 --> 00:33:45,813 And the only reason I stopped is because the bee thing started 709 00:33:45,813 --> 00:33:48,813 getting quite serious, with the bee business. 710 00:33:48,813 --> 00:33:51,813 And I, you know, realities of responsibility and self-employment, 711 00:33:52,213 --> 00:33:53,846 which I probably experienced too young. 712 00:33:53,846 --> 00:33:57,646 But in hindsight, I should have just maximized my twenties, 713 00:33:57,646 --> 00:34:00,413 and been irresponsible and just lived it up and had my fun. 714 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,780 You know, to let the world cheer me up. 715 00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:05,480 Yeah, so whatever. 716 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,347 I rodeo’d for that stint, six years. 717 00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:10,547 Riding bulls and bareback horses. 718 00:34:11,247 --> 00:34:13,780 We did that in New Zealand, and then in the New Zealand winter, 719 00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:15,747 I would go to Canada, 720 00:34:15,747 --> 00:34:18,480 to Alberta and rodeo over there, for their summer. 721 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,114 so that that's what I did for like, six years. 722 00:34:21,714 --> 00:34:25,380 And, I wasn't great at it, a bunch of my friends were better at it than me, 723 00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:28,380 but I loved it and, 724 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,480 you know, I, I probably rode, 725 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,914 probably got on like, 500 bulls and maybe, 726 00:34:34,914 --> 00:34:36,247 50 bareback horses. 727 00:34:36,381 --> 00:34:40,447 So not like I didn't do it [???] on the bareback stuff. 728 00:34:40,781 --> 00:34:43,981 I was just getting into it, but the bareback scared the shit out of me. 729 00:34:44,414 --> 00:34:46,781 that much that it made my bull riding, that much better. 730 00:34:46,781 --> 00:34:49,214 Because, I wasn’t scared of bulls after riding bareback horses. 731 00:34:50,781 --> 00:34:52,848 Yeah, I just, I look back on it, 732 00:34:52,848 --> 00:34:54,114 Riding bareback’s dumb. 733 00:34:54,248 --> 00:34:56,481 Some of the dumbest things I’ve ever done. 734 00:34:57,181 --> 00:34:59,314 but I, you know, I still loved it. 735 00:34:59,314 --> 00:35:00,314 And bull riding, 736 00:35:00,314 --> 00:35:01,748 Yeah, that's about like, 737 00:35:01,748 --> 00:35:05,081 I still think about bull riding now, I just think, but, yeah. 738 00:35:05,448 --> 00:35:08,981 If someone dared me too, you know, or drunk some night probably get on. 739 00:35:09,548 --> 00:35:12,348 Oh, that's that's six seconds away 740 00:35:12,348 --> 00:35:15,415 from a broken hip and, Oh, boy, I just... 741 00:35:16,148 --> 00:35:17,248 Ouch. 742 00:35:18,048 --> 00:35:19,515 I'm impressed.

743 00:35:19,515 --> 00:35:20,682 Yeah, I'm very impressed. 744 00:35:20,682 --> 00:35:23,882 I, I hope you got out of that without any serious injuries. 745 00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:26,715 Probably the worst one, I thought. 746 00:35:26,715 --> 00:35:28,382 I honestly was really lucky. 747 00:35:28,382 --> 00:35:30,382 compared to a lot of my friends. 748 00:35:30,382 --> 00:35:32,182 Lke my friend, had horrific injuries. 749 00:35:32,315 --> 00:35:33,949 I had a lot of like, muscle injuries, and, 750 00:35:35,082 --> 00:35:37,882 And I'm sure I’ll pay for it later on in life, but, 751 00:35:37,882 --> 00:35:40,349 the worst one, was I fractured my skull, just here. 752 00:35:40,349 --> 00:35:41,649 I got kicked in the head 753 00:35:41,649 --> 00:35:42,615 got hung up under a bull. 754 00:35:42,615 --> 00:35:46,182 and dragged underneath it. And I was pretty young at the time. 755 00:35:46,682 --> 00:35:49,882 And I wasn't wearing a helmet, so after that, 756 00:35:50,282 --> 00:35:52,949 my mum pretty much was like, if you’re going to keep on doing this, 757 00:35:52,949 --> 00:35:54,382 You gotta wear a helmet. I'm like, yeah. 758 00:35:54,382 --> 00:35:58,949 Fair. So I started wearing an ice hockey, hockey style helmet. 759 00:35:59,182 --> 00:36:01,883 But yeah, the bull kicked up my face 760 00:36:01,883 --> 00:36:04,249 and the hoof went under my eyelid. 761 00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:07,083 Split my eyelid, right through to my eyebrow. 762 00:36:07,083 --> 00:36:09,283 Fractured my eyebrow, my eye socket. 763 00:36:09,916 --> 00:36:13,683 And, I spent a week in hospital, and and when I blink, 764 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:15,750 the inside half of my eyelid worked, 765 00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:16,583 and the outside half didn’t. 766 00:36:16,583 --> 00:36:19,583 So they did a pretty bloody good job of patching me up. 767 00:36:19,583 --> 00:36:21,250 My eye being pretty functional. 768 00:36:21,983 --> 00:36:25,616 When I’m a bit tired, it hangs down lower, but whatever. 769 00:36:25,616 --> 00:36:28,416 So that’s my worst injury. 770 00:36:28,416 --> 00:36:30,517 You know, I’ve had broken fingers and things like that. 771 00:36:30,517 --> 00:36:36,250 But I had mates with double collapsed lungs and just yeah horrific 772 00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:39,650 things like yeah they, they should be dead and they survived. 773 00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:40,417 Yeah. 774 00:36:40,583 --> 00:36:45,484 Rodeo was a cool thing when I was younger but you know, but like, it’s dumb. 775 00:36:45,550 --> 00:36:48,784 it just like, i’ll pay for it when i’m older. 776 00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:51,117 Yeah exactly. 777 00:36:51,117 --> 00:36:53,250 Do you horseback ride with Rachel? 778 00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:55,117 Yeah I do, I do. 779 00:36:55,117 --> 00:36:58,984 So yeah, there was a period there, hasn't happened for a while, 780 00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:02,417 Where I was the guinea pig that got on her 781 00:37:02,417 --> 00:37:03,884 Horses that she just started. 782 00:37:03,884 --> 00:37:05,551 So, she’d, break them in, 783 00:37:05,551 --> 00:37:08,817 and then I'd be the first non horse trainer to get on them. 784 00:37:08,817 --> 00:37:12,651 So we're taking to the beach and ride them out in the open. 785 00:37:12,651 --> 00:37:16,351 The beach is pretty good because like there's like nice firm sand, like by the shore. 786 00:37:16,818 --> 00:37:19,084 And then you come up the beach a little bit softer. 787 00:37:19,084 --> 00:37:23,851 So you'll be riding along by the shore and you can like turn them out into the deep sand, 788 00:37:25,018 --> 00:37:27,051 when they start to get a bit [???] on ya. 789 00:37:27,051 --> 00:37:30,151 Take the buck out of them, or slow them down. 790 00:37:30,151 --> 00:37:31,785 Yeah, get to full control. 791 00:37:32,751 --> 00:37:34,218 So is it is it dangerous? 792 00:37:34,218 --> 00:37:36,751 Me and Rach have a lot of fun. James. Is it dangerous? 793 00:37:36,751 --> 00:37:40,585 What she does if she's breaking horses, is she getting on wild horses like you? 794 00:37:41,918 --> 00:37:43,085 Like that. 795 00:37:43,085 --> 00:37:44,352 She does a lot of groundwork. 796 00:37:44,352 --> 00:37:47,618 So she does a lot of ground work on the ground. 797 00:37:47,718 --> 00:37:51,385 Before she’ll get on them for making the horse trust her and, 798 00:37:51,618 --> 00:37:55,152 sussing it out and trying different things so that the horses is desensitized 799 00:37:55,685 --> 00:37:58,152 to anything that might stress it out, like, you know, like 800 00:37:58,152 --> 00:38:01,152 you could be riding it and see something and freaked out at it. 801 00:38:02,252 --> 00:38:05,285 Something blowing in the wind, like a big tarp or something might be flapping. 802 00:38:05,552 --> 00:38:09,452 So she wants to desensitize them so that nothing 803 00:38:09,452 --> 00:38:10,952 will spook them, within reason, 804 00:38:10,952 --> 00:38:14,252 you know, still, a young horse still needs a lot more miles on it, but, 805 00:38:15,186 --> 00:38:16,786 she. Yeah. 806 00:38:16,786 --> 00:38:17,386 Yeah, definitely. 807 00:38:17,386 --> 00:38:19,286 Her job’s dangerous. 808 00:38:19,986 --> 00:38:21,986 Yeah, she’s a cowgirl. Like, she’s doing it. 809 00:38:21,986 --> 00:38:25,753 But probably the worst part is that she's at home alone,

doing it. 810 00:38:25,753 --> 00:38:29,519 She’s not far from where we’re based, like we’re only 500m away. 811 00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:31,719 But you know, she's at home, 812 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,719 by herself. Getting on these horses. 813 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,819 Yeah, its not like there’s 2 or 3 of them there to help each other out. 814 00:38:38,819 --> 00:38:40,953 She’s doing it by herself. 815 00:38:42,186 --> 00:38:44,886 Yeah, like, I, I don't know, like, I encourage her to wear a helmet 816 00:38:44,886 --> 00:38:46,686 as much as possible. When she’s getting on new ones. 817 00:38:46,686 --> 00:38:50,286 But she doesn't. She’s a cowgirl. 818 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:50,886 Yeah. 819 00:38:50,886 --> 00:38:52,586 And she’s been bucked off a few times. 820 00:38:52,586 --> 00:38:55,520 And, you know, her hip and her knee are a bit stiff. 821 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,353 But both me and her are probably going to be quite geriatric. 822 00:38:58,653 --> 00:39:00,053 When we’re older. 823 00:39:00,053 --> 00:39:03,153 So, Yeah, that's just life right. 824 00:39:03,487 --> 00:39:05,787 Play silly games, win silly prizes. 825 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,487 Is, is there anywhere in the, in the States 826 00:39:10,487 --> 00:39:14,254 that you gravitate towards that you really enjoy. 827 00:39:14,287 --> 00:39:17,387 You know that speaks to you at all. 828 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,354 Probably for for my hobbies and what I'm into 829 00:39:21,354 --> 00:39:24,387 other than not being close to the ocean, like I really like Washington. 830 00:39:26,221 --> 00:39:29,221 It really resonates for me just because I'm like a cowboy at heart. 831 00:39:29,854 --> 00:39:31,487 I'm pretty much a right wing hippie. 832 00:39:31,487 --> 00:39:33,454 Is what I am. 833 00:39:33,454 --> 00:39:37,021 like, I, I care about the environment, but I believe in making money, so. 834 00:39:37,554 --> 00:39:40,654 Yeah, like, I, you know, like, I, I'm, I'm torn. 835 00:39:40,654 --> 00:39:41,821 I'm a walking contradiction. 836 00:39:41,821 --> 00:39:44,821 And it frustrates the shit out of me like, 837 00:39:45,054 --> 00:39:46,521 but I love Washington and Oregon. 838 00:39:47,888 --> 00:39:50,321 and probably just the attitude of the people. And. 839 00:39:50,321 --> 00:39:53,088 Yeah, I probably need that kind of rainfall, 840 00:39:53,088 --> 00:39:56,755 for things to be growing and plentiful, and my headspace. 841 00:39:57,421 --> 00:39:57,688 Yeah. 842 00:39:57,688 --> 00:40:00,688 I can't handle living in a desert for too long. 843 00:40:00,888 --> 00:40:02,188 But, yeah, it is beautiful up there. 844 00:40:02,188 --> 00:40:07,022 I, I do believe that I will end up in the U.S at some point. 845 00:40:07,022 --> 00:40:10,455 I don't know if it's living on his couch or on my own momentum. 846 00:40:11,255 --> 00:40:12,922 We’ll wait and see. 847 00:40:13,122 --> 00:40:15,788 I do want to end up over there, I probably need 848 00:40:15,888 --> 00:40:18,755 I need a bit more stimulation than what New Zealand’s giving me at the moment. 849 00:40:18,755 --> 00:40:19,955 Gotcha. 850 00:40:19,955 --> 00:40:21,189 Just a new challenge. 851 00:40:21,189 --> 00:40:21,789 Yeah. 852 00:40:21,789 --> 00:40:24,255 A bigger pond for the fish, you know.. 853 00:40:24,255 --> 00:40:26,855 Yeah. You know, you're a worldly soul. 854 00:40:26,855 --> 00:40:29,855 Have have you have you seen Seattle yet, James. 855 00:40:29,989 --> 00:40:31,022 No I haven't, I haven't. 856 00:40:31,022 --> 00:40:33,889 There's one I haven't done that corner I've been at Vancouver, 857 00:40:33,889 --> 00:40:37,189 I've been to Vancouver Island, but I haven't done up in that corner there. 858 00:40:38,156 --> 00:40:40,089 I just want to put it out there. 859 00:40:40,089 --> 00:40:44,056 My oldest friend, like in the world, has a house on Bainbridge Island, 860 00:40:45,022 --> 00:40:48,522 and, we've we've got open invitation 861 00:40:50,056 --> 00:40:51,889 all the time, 862 00:40:51,889 --> 00:40:54,523 And are they a legend? 863 00:40:54,523 --> 00:40:57,523 just I mean, I've lived within four times, James. 864 00:40:58,223 --> 00:41:00,623 Yeah. It's so good. It's like. 865 00:41:00,623 --> 00:41:02,723 Yeah, we just we just go. We want to go. 866 00:41:02,723 --> 00:41:05,590 We go try to go large every single time. 867 00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:06,523 Yeah. 868 00:41:06,523 --> 00:41:08,390 And that's the problem is that we. 869 00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:11,390 I look forward to when I come and see you. 870 00:41:11,556 --> 00:41:15,923 and I guess I look forward to, I look forward to the chill bit as well. 871 00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:19,557 as well as the wild, you’re putting it on for me and showing me what happens. 872 00:41:19,557 --> 00:41:20,557 But I look forward to this. 873 00:41:20,557 --> 00:41:22,923 Hanging out on the couch. 874 00:41:22,923 --> 00:41:25,157 Just yarning, a bit hungover but, 875 00:41:25,157 --> 00:41:29,557 laughing at each other and laughing our [???] at each other. 876 00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:34,690 You've inspired. 877 00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:39,524 I have to tell James, that you've inspired Jon here about living off the earth. 878 00:41:40,057 --> 00:41:41,057 Off the land. 879 00:41:41,057 --> 00:41:43,024

Definitely, definitely. 880 00:41:43,024 --> 00:41:46,457 I think it's like like back to basics. 881 00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:48,224 We've lost connection with our food. 882 00:41:48,224 --> 00:41:51,557 Like, I physically like eating with my hands, like. 883 00:41:51,557 --> 00:41:54,224 Yeah, because we’ve lost connection with our food. 884 00:41:54,224 --> 00:41:58,424 Like we eat things that look like food that are made from things that aren’t food. 885 00:41:58,857 --> 00:42:01,457 like, yeah, it's like 886 00:42:01,457 --> 00:42:05,324 back to basics, like, you know, like my cholesterol 887 00:42:05,424 --> 00:42:06,724 Yeah, it's fine. 888 00:42:06,724 --> 00:42:08,658 I had it tested recently, but you know, like I'm, I'm 889 00:42:08,658 --> 00:42:12,291 a massive advocate for cast iron pans and butter. 890 00:42:13,024 --> 00:42:13,424 Like. 891 00:42:13,424 --> 00:42:16,991 Yeah like, cook with butter. It tastes good. 892 00:42:17,025 --> 00:42:18,558 It's like yeah. 893 00:42:18,558 --> 00:42:21,425 You're just going to make sure that you're healthy in all the other parts of your life. 894 00:42:21,425 --> 00:42:25,291 Where you use that energy and don't just, be a fat fuck. 895 00:42:25,325 --> 00:42:27,491 So like, back to basics, is just like. 896 00:42:28,558 --> 00:42:31,092 You know, less is more like fresh ingredients, 897 00:42:31,092 --> 00:42:36,125 and then and collecting it and, and you know, coming to the ceremony 898 00:42:36,125 --> 00:42:40,592 or either gardening or fishing or hunting or preparing food and like, 899 00:42:41,258 --> 00:42:43,492 you know, cooking for friends like, and 900 00:42:43,492 --> 00:42:46,559 and putting some love into it and yeah, fuck it feels good. 901 00:42:47,292 --> 00:42:49,659 Very fulfilling and so basic. 902 00:42:49,659 --> 00:42:54,659 It doesn't take that much effort just to, to be a little more cognizant 903 00:42:54,659 --> 00:42:57,659 of what you're putting in your body, what you're putting in your shopping cart. 904 00:42:58,725 --> 00:43:00,292 Just to think about that. 905 00:43:00,292 --> 00:43:01,192 Yeah. I agree with you. 906 00:43:01,192 --> 00:43:03,926 I think it's so important. 907 00:43:03,926 --> 00:43:06,359 And I think for me as a food producer, 908 00:43:06,359 --> 00:43:09,226 like, yeah, I'm a beekeeper and we're in, we're in the honey business, 909 00:43:09,226 --> 00:43:12,226 we’re food producers like I, 910 00:43:12,426 --> 00:43:16,026 you know, in the short amount of time that I have a career in beekeeping, 911 00:43:16,026 --> 00:43:17,726 which is still long enough, like it’s 15 years, 912 00:43:17,726 --> 00:43:20,893 I’ve committed to beekeeping. 913 00:43:21,859 --> 00:43:22,459 Yeah, it's 914 00:43:22,459 --> 00:43:25,593 it's getting harder and harder to keep them healthy, keep the bees healthy. 915 00:43:25,593 --> 00:43:29,060 Look we use a lot of like alternative like for our treatment that we 916 00:43:29,093 --> 00:43:32,926 there’s a parasitic mite that feeds on the bees and we use a lot of oxalic acid 917 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,160 to treat that mite. 918 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,160 But we’re like, trying to kill an insect on an insect. 919 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,460 Yeah, yeah, I'm watching you know climate change happen. 920 00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:43,993 So in the 15 years, I’m like, it wasn’t that hard to keep them healthy 921 00:43:43,993 --> 00:43:44,760 Wow. 922 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,993 15 years ago. 923 00:43:45,993 --> 00:43:47,327 10 years ago. 5 years ago. 924 00:43:47,327 --> 00:43:50,060 Like it's getting tougher and tougher. 925 00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:55,127 So you you take a step back and you're like we do have a footprint. 926 00:43:55,193 --> 00:43:57,160 And we are seeing changes. 927 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,860 And it's like, yeah, that stuff's real. 928 00:43:58,860 --> 00:44:01,527 Like it’s effecting us. 929 00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:04,760 It’s effecting, you know, what I do for a living. 930 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,527 Well if there's if there's any way that we can support you in terms of, 931 00:44:09,827 --> 00:44:12,761 pointing people towards your, your website or your farm. 932 00:44:13,361 --> 00:44:14,794 We'd love to do that. 933 00:44:14,861 --> 00:44:16,694 Cool. So, 934 00:44:16,694 --> 00:44:17,127 our business. 935 00:44:17,127 --> 00:44:19,627 We trade as Foothills Honey. So. 936 00:44:19,627 --> 00:44:21,794 Yeah. Foothills, dot N Z. 937 00:44:22,761 --> 00:44:23,827 This has been great. 938 00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:26,828 Jon, I appreciate your time as well. 939 00:44:27,228 --> 00:44:28,028 Super good. 940 00:44:28,028 --> 00:44:31,661 And, James, we will introduce you to, 941 00:44:31,894 --> 00:44:33,661 some of our previous podcasts, 942 00:44:33,661 --> 00:44:35,461 Perfect. I'd appreciate that. 943 00:44:35,861 --> 00:44:37,461 Awesome. 944 00:44:37,461 --> 00:44:39,128 Well, thanks, everybody. 945 00:44:39,128 --> 00:44:40,994 Hope you enjoyed listening. 946 00:44:40,994 --> 00:44:43,061 And, we'll see you next time. 947 00:44:43,061 --> 00:44:44,528 Okay. 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