บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ E25: Challenges, Chills & Bigfoot Thrills Part 2: Elusive Giants of the Himalayas and Australia

government was protecting yeah, like a primate. Yeah, that's one of them basically, and then, um, I don't remember. Speaker 1: 6:28 Yeah, so I found a common thing while looking up the Yeti and the Yowie, which wasn't at all surprising, but I thought it was curious that they suspect that the Yeti could be this supposed extinct type of ape. Oh, okay, that lived up to about 300,000 years ago. So instead of being like a Well. Speaker 2: 6:56 like they thought that the Bigfoot were like something in between caveman and human. They think the Yeti is an ape. Speaker 1: 7:02 Yeah, like a type of giant. Ape is what it was is one of the great apes, so something bigger than a gorilla is what this would be. I think it was called like a giant. It was called like a gigantic, something like that. Okay let me a gigantic gorilla no, no, there's an actual name for it. I just don't know really how to say it, so I'm going to try. It's called a gigantopithecus. Speaker 2: 7:32 I want to try. Let me see Gigantopithecus, that's it. I don't actually know if that's right. I just wanted to sound smart Something like that. Speaker 1: 7:40 That is a type of extinct gray ape, an ancestor to the gorillas that we know now. Speaker 2: 7:47 They were a lot bigger than the gorilla well, just like the mammoth was a lot bigger than an elephant yeah, yeah. Speaker 1: 7:53 So some people theorize that sasquatch yeti, yawees are surviving members of that species. Okay, uh, so the the the sasquatch as well? Yeah, like all of them, like they're just scattered about you know, the planet at this point okay I got you continents move around and things you know. Speaker 1: 8:17 Yeah, okay, that's fair. So that was one common theory I found, stretched across all three different types of bigfoot, whatever you want to call them. So I thought that was really interesting that pretty much everyone is like under the general consensus, consensus that this could be like a type of prehistoric ape or something you know, yeah, which I feel like is the most plausible right thing that it could be, yeah plausible explanation, just like a little higher up on the most plausible thing that it could be. Speaker 1: 8:45 Most plausible explanation, just like a little higher up on the intelligence scale. You know, it knows how to stay away from people which we kind of touched on last. Right, and actually one of the documentaries I watched about the Yeti. They were talking about how the gorilla it was either the Yeti or the Yowie, anyways they were talking about how the gorilla is also like the yeti or the yaoi, anyways, they were saying they were talking about how the gorilla is also like kind of shy, right, like they. Speaker 2: 9:09 they don't like to be seen or observed and will kind of hide in the trees this is like they'll keep their back to you, even at the zoo, I was gonna say this is in the wild. Speaker 1: 9:16 Of course, like

as zoos, they have not that much foliage to hide in, right, but anyways, there was uh one big distinctive difference that I found with the yeti, uh from the bigfoot and the owie, or are we just like? Yeah, so I would say. I would say so, the yeti stands out among all of them. Speaker 2: 9:38 Oh, okay, um is it, it's ram horns? No, oh is. Speaker 3: 9:43 Oh, is it its blue? Speaker 2: 9:43 skin? No, is it the fact that Santa used it to put a star on top of his Christmas tree? Speaker 1: 9:50 No, but the abominable snowman that actually does come from this. Speaker 2: 9:56 Yeah. Speaker 1: 9:57 Okay yeah, so we'll get into that too, though, but there were actually stories about the Yeti being aggressive towards humans. Speaker 2: 10:05 Ew, which we talked about Bigfoot and how Bigfoot doesn't really like attack Right, how he just kind of observes and then he'll leave. Speaker 1: 10:13 Yeah, yeah, like he watches from a distance and then won't stay in contact with humans, always like kind of vacates the area Right Before contact can be made Right. But and there was a story that came up where I guess you could say they were like a shepherd, they were a Sherpa, which is a type of native that live in the Himalayans, like this is probably around, like Nepal, nepal, nepal. However, you say that. Speaker 2: 10:42 Yeah, I'm sorry if I mispronounced that I think it's Nepal, yeah, yeah. Speaker 1: 10:46 So it's like that mountainous area around there, right, and like the Sherpa live there. And so they heard yak. That's like one of the biggest things that they heard. This shepherd I don't know a better word for it Herdsman, shepherd, whatever you want to call it. They were in the mountains with their yak and I guess this Yeti came out of the brush and attacked the shepherd Just like for no f***ing reason. Speaker 2: 11:14 Maybe he was hungry, maybe he wanted to eat a yak. Speaker 1: 11:16 Well, after knocking the shepherd unconscious when they woke up, hold on. Speaker 2: 11:23 Do we need, like, listener discretion? Yes, okay, listener discretion is advised. I think we're about to talk about some animal pain. Yeah, okay. Speaker 1: 11:32 So when they woke up, they found that five of their yak had been killed. Oh no, by their neck being snapped. Oh, there are stories that the Yeti is actually strong enough to kill a yak with a single hit. Speaker 2: 11:48 I'm not going to lie. I don't even know what a yak is. It's like a large cow. Okay, I was thinking like a buffalo type thing, right, yeah, like if you think of the highland cows with the long hair. Speaker 1: 12:01 Oh my God. So they're like those, but they're bigger, okay. Yeah, they're a bit bigger, okay. So that's what a yak is. Speaker 2: 12:08 That's sad. Yeah, they're a bit bigger. Okay, so that's what a yak is. That's sad, even though I kind of knew what that was in the back of my mind

I was picturing llamas and you're like they're strong enough to break a yak's neck and I'm like they have long necks, not thick necks. Speaker 1: 12:22 Yeah, this was actually the first time I had heard the story about any type of these creatures potentially being carnivorous. I didn't even think that bigfoot could be carnivorous because, like in all of the stuff I watched about bigfoot, no one ever mentioned ever finding carcasses or deer or you know whatever. But the yeti, on the other hand, will attack and kill yak are there monkeys that are carnivorous. Speaker 2: 12:48 I think there are some that are omnivores oh yeah, okay, well, I guess, like they eat bugs, but I wonder if they eat other, you know? Speaker 1: 12:57 some researchers were saying that the reason why they could be omnivores, like the yeti could be an omnivore, is because they live up in the high altitude areas, right where food sources are kind of scarce, so it's not really plants that can grow in. Well, they say that the idea is that they don't actually like live in the snow fields up in the Himalayans. They cross through them, oh okay, but like they probably dwell within, like the lower valleys that are forested, gotcha, and where there is plant life that they actually found. The plant life in those forested areas is not too different from like Africa, where their primates are live, you know, like gorillas and things live right so like. Speaker 1: 13:42 Those are food sources for primates, but on top of that, there's the idea that they also will scavenge kills from like, because bears live up there too. Right Like the. Speaker 2: 13:55 Himalayan brown bear Okay, lives up there. So like scavengers as well. Speaker 1: 13:59 Yeah, so that was. Another idea is that they're somewhat carnivorous? Okay, so that would explain why they could possibly eat yak or goats, mountain goats. Speaker 2: 14:13 Right. Speaker 1: 14:13 The people that live around the Himalayans. Speaker 2: 14:16 They describe the Yeti as to be between six to nine feet tall, so it could be a little bit bigger than Bigfoot then, because what Bigfoot was like? What was he like? Six to eight. Speaker 1: 14:28 I think so. Yeah was like what? Was he like six to eight? I think I think so. Speaker 2: 14:35 yeah, um, he said, said to be covered in long, shaggy hair, usually ranging from colors of gray to like dark, browns, black, I have my colors all messed up because, if you remember I was like bigfoot can only be brown. You're like, yeah, there's like black bigfoot and like like white furred bigfoot and like now you're just telling me the same damn thing about the yeti, which I thought was white, only white with blue skin well, and then they said that the only places that don't have hair is the face. Speaker 1: 15:05 The face is bare right which is the same. You know the same kind of look you get with the big foot yeah, right, uh, no, the big foot. The fingers were bare, though, yeah, I think I think the the fingers were also without hair okay it's same kind of model. Yeah, it's pretty much the same um same build muscular creature, tall, broad and ape-like. Okay, but they were also bipedal, so Right. Sounds a lot like Bigfoot to me. Yeah, With some. You know Some differences. Speaker 2: 15:41 He's aggressive, more aggressive. Speaker 1: 15:43 I don't know if that's because the food source is a little more scarce or I mean like so for scavengers. Speaker 2: 15:52 I feel like that's pretty common for scavengers because you think there's a lot of scavengers in the desert. You know what I mean. Um like, uh. Coyotes are scavengers. The food sources in the desert tend to be more scarce. Ravens are scavengers. Vultures are scavengers, you know and these are generally animals that they're opportunistic hunters or not hunters. Sometimes hunters, they're opportunistic feeders. So I feel like, for a climate like that, that would make sense. Speaker 1: 16:20 Right, and you have to think their competition is a brown bear, that's an ugly fight and you know if they're traveling through these areas, these different areas. Speaker 2: 16:29 So if they're living down in the valleys where it's more forested, okay, but then they're traveling through these snowy plains where there's not going to be as much plant life, you kind of have to be an opportunistic feeder Because you're not like if you generally eat berries and fruit or whatever is growing in the forest, but then you're traveling through winter. They don't have grocery stores, they're not gonna go buy oranges. You know right like they gotta eat what they have now what? Speaker 1: 16:57 what's interesting about the, the yeti um specifically, is that there were actually some recorded sightings from the 1800s. Okay, on the yeti, I think that's where those were the earliest sightings of just seeing this figure finding footprints in the snow okay but the really big craze did. Speaker 2: 17:19 Actually it didn't actually take hold of like western culture until like the 1950s whenever the abominable snowman, yeah, put a star on santa claus's tree, no, I don't like that. At first you're like yeah, and then I'm like santa claus, you're like no. So in the images I, in the images I see of the eddie, he's even like drawn more like he's aggressively drawn, like. If you look at pictures of bigfoot, he's not aggressive and the pictures that like the art, yes, of him, but the yeti looks very, very angry in every image I'm finding yeah, yeah, the yeti, we'll get back to the the 1950s story here in a second. Speaker 1: 18:01 Okay, the yeti is also said to be nocturnal, mostly nocturnal. Oh, that's different, yeah, and that once you get up to a certain altitude in the mountains, say 15,000 feet above, ooh yeah. Speaker 2: 18:19 So he's up there, oh yeah. Speaker 1: 18:20 That you can

actually hear him scream, screaming at night. No, you can hear the calls of the Yeti I don't like that of the of the yeti, I don't like that. Um, but back back to the 1950s. The western craze over the yeti didn't pick up until 1951 when a famous photograph was taken, okay, by an explorer of the name eric shipton. Him and his team were up in the himalayans around the region of Nepal. They were said to have been about 15,000 to 17,000 feet up, okay, along the snowy plains, when they came across a set of unusual tracks that were heading in the direction away from them. Speaker 2: 19:08 Okay, I'm looking at the images right now. Speaker 1: 19:11 Shipton decided to take a photograph of one of these tracks. He laid his ice pick down, his ice axe down next to it. Yeah, he laid his lice down. Speaker 2: 19:21 Yeah, yes, exactly, just to kind of like Show the size yeah, show a scale and size of this footprint. Speaker 1: 19:28 The footprint was said to have been about 12 inches long and 5 inches wide to kind of like, show the size, show, yeah, show a scale and size of this footprint. The footprint was said to have been about 12 inches long and five inches wide. Yeah, it's, it's pretty big and the way, if you look at it like they actually made a cast of this footprint, like a 3d casting of it, using the dimensions in the photograph, and it looks like it has like two, like large toes and then like three smaller ones, kind of off to the side. Speaker 2: 19:55 Okay, yeah, I can see it. At first I thought it was just like three giant toes, but yeah, whenever you go in you can see that it's like five toes. Speaker 1: 20:01 Yeah, and like when I was watching the documentary, the guy he was like showing the cast of this, like the 3d model of this footprint, and he was talking about how, where the actual print probably was in the snow, like versus you know how snow kind of compacts and melts and stuff, and he was saying it's probably a lot narrower than what the whole print looked like. But he said that one of the big toes was probably further down and like it's an adjointed toe sort of like an ape, you know, know like ape feet are, yeah, where their big toe is further back, so that way they can grip tree branches and things. Speaker 2: 20:37 Now I am looking, because I did see something that said that he came out later and said it was a bare footprint. So I'm looking at bare footprints right now and I'm going to tell you what I see. The same guy came out and said it was bare footprint later. Yes yes, but I'm looking at bare footprints and the toe sizes. There's no claws, okay, but there's claws on bare footprints. Speaker 1: 20:59 Right. Speaker 2: 20:59 And the toe sizes. Sorry, on the bare footprints all the way across the toe sizes are about the same, but not in this one. In this one, it's like the first two are really big and the other three are very small. Yes, that's just. I just wanted to put that out there. Speaker 1: 21:15 Yeah. So every there's a lot of skeptics who will argue. They say that every footprint that was found of the quote unquote Yeti could be a bear footprint, because the Himalayan bear does live in those mountains and it is active up in those higher altitudes, right and like when a bear walks slow, if you ever, like, watched a bear kind of like mosey around. Yeah, when it steps, its back foot actually steps in the paw print of its front foot when it's walking, so the footprints overlap and that's why these researchers are saying, well, it could be a bear print, because they overlap their footprints and then they look larger than what they actually are, which would make sense because I can see how, like you could call this a bear footprint. Speaker 2: 21:59 Looking at bear footprints, I can see how you would call it that. But, like I said, all of these bear footprints, no one is trimming a bear's toenails OK, snow is real easy to print in. So there should be little toenail prints above the toes, because all the bear footprints I'm finding have those claw marks above them. You know what I mean. And again, all the toes are generally the same size. Speaker 3: 22:26 Hey podcast lovers. My name is Haley and I run the Doe Identify podcast. I have been passionate about helping the unidentified get their names back ever since I found out I lived within miles of where Sherry Ann Jarvis, formerly known as the Walker County Jane Doe, was found. In my podcast, I tell the stories and provide information about unidentified people in hopes of reaching their loved ones and getting their names back. So come join me and help me advocate for these people. You never know you could recognize someone's story. Speaker 1: 22:59 There was a story that goes along with this. This happens a little sooner. It happened in the 40s. So, like Nazi Germany, there were some Nazi scientists that were sent out to kind of find the roots of the elite race. You know all that well. Speaker 2: 23:16 Apparently they found the legend of the yeti and you know, listen up, let's talk about the nazis for two seconds. Let's get sidetracked here. Why are they tangled up in all these conspiracies and cryptids and shit? I don't know they they're like oh, they found gold under Atlantis, all while making love to the frickin' Jersey Devil, okay, and Adolf Hitler has a child with the Bell Witch. Speaker 1: 23:42 I honestly think he was just looking for a way to justify what he was doing. Speaker 2: 23:46 So you think he's really like searching for all this conspiracy to justify his stupidity? Okay? Speaker 1: 23:52 gotcha. So the story goes that this um nazi scientist went out to the himalayans following the the story of the yeti, and he tracked it to what a cave in the mountains did you ever play ducktales the video game? Speaker 2: 24:09 No, I'm just. I know that seems really off topic, but you just reminded

me. There's like a level where you're in the Himalayas and I'm pretty sure you have to fight a Yeti, If I'm remembering correctly. But I know the Himalayas was for sure a thing. But anyway, go ahead. Speaker 1: 24:25 So he tracked the Yeti that's in air quotes the Yeti to a cave and found a beast, inside to which he then shot and killed. Now, later, it came out that what the scientists found was actually a bear. Oh, and he never told the Nazis that, because if they found out that the yeti was not something that could be found, he would have been killed. Oh so, like he revealed all of this after world war ii, like much later and like surrendered the skulls to the bear that he had collected. Speaker 1: 25:05 So that's one of the stories that, like, skeptics, will use um to kind of diffuse the idea that yetis exist. Speaker 2: 25:12 Like no, it's a bear that's dumb, like that I like. I get what they're trying to do, but that that's dumb. Speaker 1: 25:21 I thought this. This was interesting and I want to mention it. Uh, they had a team of researchers monster quested that went up to try and find evidence of the Yeti, because the latest sightings were back in 2008. Oh, and, it was a group of Japanese scientists and they found footprints and the lead researcher of that team said that he had an encounter with the Yeti. Oh, that he got up one night because he heard some rustling and saw the creature standing about 30 feet from him and he was frozen in fear and just couldn't move you know, so he didn't get a photo. Speaker 1: 26:09 But later on they found what they said were footprints that it had left behind. So that was in 2008. So they did. Monster crest decided to go back and see if they could find evidence to themselves. So they went to the about the same altitude that they traveled to to do that and they didn't really find anything, uh like no footprints. They were there. They didn't really find anything while they were out there. But one of them did come back, uh, with some monkey bones oh so it was. Speaker 1: 26:41 That was interesting because they had always thought that there weren't any type of monkeys that lived around the himalayans but like the monkey bones kind of proved that there could be some species of monkeys or primates, you know like living about the area. Speaker 1: 26:58 That's weird, yeah, so I mean it just. It just kind of like leaves it up in the air, like do you think the yeti is real? Is it just like a folk tale from like the natives, or is it a bear, you know? Right? Okay, people are mistaking it for okay weird. Wouldn't want to like run into one of those you know either way, either if it's the yeti, or if the yeti is real, or if it is a brown bear like you don't want to run into one I don't want to meet it, especially if it's aggressive, right like no thanks but like so would a bear break the neck of a yak. Speaker 1: 27:43 That's the question, though that's that's I.

I don't know. That's where you question, like, how credible are these encounter stories like I mean, how do you explain the broken neck of a yak? Right, like, because a bear will kill a yak? Speaker 2: 27:57 I'm sure, but not I, I feel like a yak could kill a bear too, because I mean they're big and they have those big old freaking horns oh yeah, you know and like if they're related to bulls, bulls can be aggressive um, yeah, they, they have bulls. Speaker 1: 28:12 There are bull yaks. Yeah, I don't know what they're called, but probably just bulls Probably. So that's the Yeti. Now we're going to the Land Down Under Land. Speaker 2: 28:23 Down Under when they have garages and not garages and other unspeakable horrors that I would never want to live in Australia for. Speaker 3: 28:35 Sorry. Speaker 1: 28:35 Australia. You seem really cool but you have, like giant spiders and things I don't ever want to see. Speaker 2: 28:44 I had a friend like that I talked to online that lived in Australia and she was like, oh well, like it's illegal to camp in Australia because of all that's out there. Speaker 1: 28:51 And I was like, oh god okay, they also have like they're practically bipedal deer that could like kick my ass what oh the? Kangaroo, yeah, man kangaroo. Do you see the muscles? On those things I know you don't want to mess with the damn kangaroo bipedal deer. Yeah, oh my god, good god, uh, anyway. So we're going to talk about the Yowie now, which is another variant of Bigfoot. Speaker 2: 29:20 All right, this one I've never heard of, really so, yes, so while you're doing this, I'm going to Google pictures. So the Yowie is mostly known in the Queensland area I believe it's called, the Yowie is mostly known among female weebs. Anyway, go on. Speaker 1: 29:39 This is spelled Y-O-W-I-E. Speaker 2: 29:43 Okay, I'm glad you said that, because that's not how I spelled it, so Y-O-W-I-E. Speaker 1: 29:50 Yeah, okay. So I believe it's mostly seen in the Queensland area of Australia, which I think is mostly forest, tropical forest specifically the pictures of this thing are horrifying Again. The yaoi is said to stand about six to nine feet tall. Speaker 2: 30:12 This thing is related to Bigfoot and them. Yeah, this thing is related to bigfoot in them. Yeah, this thing is the worst of all of them. It's covered in hair, it's got giant teeth and it has a man in its mouth yeah, there are stories that the yaoi actually has, like glowing eyes and things like that. Uh, I don't know this is basically true. This is like Bigfoot on those zombie drugs. This is Yeti on those zombie drugs. Speaker 1: 30:40 I've actually only heard well, at least from what I found about the yaoi. I only heard one story of the yaoi being aggressive. Speaker 2: 30:48 Bullshit, you haven't seen these pictures. Speaker 1: 30:51 I guess there was a In what I watched about pictures. I guess

there was a In what I watched about the yaoi. There was a hunter who was, I think, out in the brush. Speaker 1: 31:00 I don't know if he was out in the brush or if he was traveling or what. This thing came out of the trees and it messed up his car and I guess it grabbed a hold of his car and was shaking it from side to side. Whoa, yeah, it was crazy, whoa. And like ever since then he's like been determined to try and find a yaoi again and like make contact with them. Speaker 2: 31:24 Yeah, I mean why, but yeah. Speaker 1: 31:27 If something like that happened to me, I would be moving to the desert. Yeah, I would not. Speaker 2: 31:32 I'd be like you know what I'm looking for that thing so it can make me need to buy a new car. Do you know how much a car costs? Speaker 1: 31:39 yeah, no thanks, good god. There's actually a uh little town in australia around the area that kind of is like our roswell, but with the ya Okay. So they made it like their city mascot and everything. Speaker 2: 31:56 Yeah, I saw the statue. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 1: 31:59 That was actually made up in, like I think they said it was made in the 80s. It was commissioned and put in their main park, called like, yowie Park is what the park is called. And they have like festivals and things. Speaker 2: 32:12 It's the. Speaker 1: 32:13 Mothman festival. Yeah, like everything is yaoi theme. You know they have his little hairy face on everything little hairy face on everything so much like bigfoot. Speaker 1: 32:24 If you live in this area of queensland, uh, you pretty much are going to have an encounter if you are stay in the brush for a long time, so oh. So if you visit the brush and you're out there for a little bit I don't know if you can camp there or not, because it's australia, oh but if you happen to be like in the area for long periods of time, apparently you are pretty much guaranteed to run into a yaoi. Speaker 2: 32:48 Are you serious like? Speaker 1: 32:50 they're that sure yes, are they like the people like who live around this area are so like yeah, I've had an encounter with this thing like you can see it in the trees, sort of like bigfoot. It kind of stays at a distance. Speaker 1: 33:04 You can hear its calls in the night they even had different calls and they were kind of using the calls to try and draw it out. They're like talking about how they use different calls that are more calming and then compared to like more distressful calls and things right, much like with bigfoot, the only evidence they have is footprints did they have an analysis done, like they did with the bigfoot where the guy was talking about rolling? Speaker 2: 33:29 do you? Speaker 1: 33:30 know, or they didn't say they, they were just showing the print and like how big it was and it looked about relatively the same size as, like a bigfoot footprint. Speaker 1: 33:40 Yeah, so the, the yaoi for the most part has more behaviors that are like more etched towards what we know as bigfoot north america, right and even though it looks fucking terrifying, go on yeah, less aggressive stories, but there are some encounters that were said to be aggressive, like I told you, the one where it attacked the guy in this car, right, yeah, there were other stories that I guess were told to children when they were young, like don't go out in the woods at night, you'll see the glowing eyes of the yowie and they'll come and snatch you up, okay. Speaker 2: 34:13 That just sounds like bedtime stories, though to keep kids from right you know, yeah, don't go outside or don't. If you don't go to bed by 10 o'clock, the boogeyman's gonna get you. Speaker 1: 34:23 You know that type deal right, but the overall theory for the yowie is that it is also some type of ape which I think would probably be more plausible in the area. I mean, it is like a tropical, like more tropical area which is well known for monkeys. Speaker 2: 34:40 Well, and a lot of the world, as we discussed in the last episode, is undiscovered there are a lot of species that we don't even like, we've not even touched. Speaker 1: 34:51 And Australia has some weird well, the stories of the yali actually go back to before the white man arrived to australia. Speaker 2: 35:02 Okay, this is another native situation. Speaker 1: 35:04 This is this is, yeah, just like with the bigfoot, this is another like creature that has always walked among them, like they. They have stories where they say we walk with them, we leave them alone, and they leave us alone. Okay. And then, starting in the late 1700s, when the white man came to australia, you still have recorded sightings from that age going up. So it's just like it's always been there, did they not? Speaker 1: 35:28 like they didn't have. Surprisingly, they didn't have, like, any stories from a native and and the one I watched on the well, it might be like with the bigfoot. So, like I know, with bigfoot, like the natives don't really talk about it because it's like a sacred thing, it's like you. Speaker 2: 35:41 Just you just leave it alone like it is, and I know that's a different part of the world, but that seems to be pretty common in, uh, in indigenous cultures, is like part of not giving these things power, or like respecting them is just not talking, yeah, like you don't draw attention to it, you just let it be Right. Speaker 1: 36:01 So that could be why there weren't any stories from any natives in it. I just think it's interesting that it kind of like coincides with like what we hear about Bigfoot north america. Speaker 2: 36:12 It's a little different than from like how drastic the yeti seems to me I, I feel like like, just looking at the pictures, the yaoi looks like it should be acting like the yeti. You know, I mean the yeti looks aggressive, but the freaking yaoi is

terrifying looking. So what would you rate this? What do you want to rate them separately? I think because they are. Speaker 1: 36:35 They have different kind of behaviors, like they're similar, but I think they're different enough that we could probably they're the same in the way that chimps and baboons are the same, yeah it's like two different types of monkey, you know, yeah. Speaker 2: 36:47 Okay, so what would you rate the Yeti? Speaker 1: 36:51 I'm going to say that the Yeti is a nope. Don't like that. I can agree with that. I second that. I'm not sure. I'm a little on the fence on whether or not the Yeti is real, but if it is, I don't want to meet him. Don't want to meet him, I don't want to see it. Well, don't go to the-. Not that I'll ever be up in the mountains, not in the Himalayas, not up that high. Speaker 2: 37:13 Yeah, no, I agree with that. I would say it's a nope. Don't like that, because if I was in that area, if I was a shepherd in that area, that would be something that would stress me out. Speaker 1: 37:23 Yeah, you have to worry about your animal surviving through the night Right being attacked by essentially a wild animal that's intelligent. That's intelligent, that's intelligent, right, intelligent enough to knock you out so it can then take your livestock right, right right no thanks. Speaker 2: 37:41 So what about the yaoi? What would you rate him? Speaker 1: 37:44 oh, see the I don't know, because, like the stories of sightings with the yaoi were a little, they weren't, they weren't as like finite, like they weren't as detailed as like with bigfoot or the yeti, right. So less known yeah, this one, I'm like is it just a folk tale? Speaker 2: 38:05 I don't know well I'm gonna say that's scary. For that reason and it's not aggressive. You know this, I mean, well, we had one aggressive story, but they say it's not aggressive. You know, I mean, well, we had one aggressive story, but they say it's like more like Bigfoot, which is not Right. You know, really aggressive You're saying it's. There's not as much information on this that you could find anyway. Speaker 1: 38:22 Right. So besides, like you know, folk tales and Right. So what about you? I'm probably going to have to agree with that. All right, that's skewy. Speaker 2: 38:33 We haven to agree with that all right, that's scary. We haven't had an eldritch abomination in a while, so that's good. No, we have it. I. I might have, uh, some coming up for you, though I got a few really good ones, but but yeah, no. So we have a that's scary and a uh, nope, don't like that. Very, very nice. Well, uh, thank you for diving into the cryptid monkeys for us these last two episodes. Bigfoot was super interesting. Out of the three of them, which one did you enjoy researching the most? Speaker 1: 39:02 I don't know. I think Bigfoot piqued my interest more just because there was more theories on it out there More information on it, but that could just be, you know? No, I don't. I mean. You know how some people are with their conspiracy theories. Speaker 3: 39:17 More information on it. Speaker 2: 39:23 I don't want to say American thing but it's probably an American thing you say as you sit with your USA shirt on yeah, so I don't know if that's why that one, that it just seems. Speaker 1: 39:36 I think maybe because North America is just such a big continent. Speaker 2: 39:42 Yeah. Speaker 1: 39:42 That, the idea that they would have to do so much if it was a cover up Well, ok, but they do cover-ups a lot. That is true, that is true I mean because you've got the Pacific Northwest over here with all these sightings and then the Appalachian Mountains. Speaker 2: 39:57 So I don't know. So that is the Yowie and the Yeti. Very interesting, very interesting, very fun. I hope you guys enjoyed learning about the giant monkey men. Speaker 1: 40:11 You could always let me know if you believe that they're real or if you've had any interesting encounters with any of the three. Speaker 2: 40:17 Yeah, we'd love to hear your guys's stories one day. The listener library will get going, guys, oh, yeah, yeah, one day. Speaking of the yeti and bigfoot, these guys are buddies, are they? They are? They are buddies, according to plushie verse, who we are not sponsored by, but guys, our giveaways. So we are going to be doing a competition for you guys. I'm going to tell you about that before we tell you about the giveaway. Speaker 2: 40:45 Competition is for an adorable set of keychains and it's by plushiverse. You can see it on our Instagram, you can see it on our TikTok, you can see it on Discord. You can go into Discord and click the links and it is a Yeti and a Bigfoot best friend keychain and they have little magnetic hands and they hold hands. Okay, we're cute. Yes, and I have seen them. They are cute, they are so cute and we're going to be giving away a set of these key chains. How do you get a set of these key chains? We will post the link and what you have to do is you'll have to like, sign up and enter, just like you did in for the the book yes it will say that that's an entry. Speaker 2: 41:26 That is not an entry. That's just's an entry. That is not an entry. That's just how the site works. That is not an entry. However, you can enter as many entries as you want. In order to enter them, you need to recruit people, okay, so here's what we need from you guys we need you to find as many people as you can to like, rate and subscribe to the Macabre Midnight Podcast and, once they do that, have them send you a screenshot and then you will upload the screenshot to the link that we post. Speaker 2: 41:59 That link is going to be posted on Instagram. It's going to be posted on Twitter I'm sorry, x. It'll be posted on TikTok. It'll be posted in Discord. It's going to be in all of our socials. It'll also be in our newsletter, which you guys can sign up for. Okay, so don't forget about that newsletter. And for every person that you upload, every person that you can get to subscribe to us and rate us and listen to us, you will get an entry. Whoever has the most entries at the end of it will win the keychain. This is going to go on for a month. This will end on July 15th, so you guys have plenty of time. Get your friends, get your family, get your. You know your brother sister, grandma. Speaker 2: 42:41 Yeah, grandma, you know we're slapping headphones on grandma, as you guys know. Speaker 1: 42:45 That's right. Speaker 2: 42:46 So that's our first competition, and these keychains are adorable, you guys, and we'll throw in a little extra prize in there too, so make sure you do that. Second, we're going to be doing a giveaway for our Patreon box. This will be the first wave of Patreon boxes, as we told you, guys, we are going to be giving away one of these a month, so this will give you kind of an idea of some of the stuff that you can get if you sign up for our Patreon, and that's going to work much like the uh, the book giveaway did. We'll post the link and it'll give you your different methods to enter, and that one will go for two weeks. Okay, so got the competition for the key chains. Yes, get your people in here, bring more hot links in, and then we're going to be doing the giveaway for the Patreon box, and all of those links will be on our socials. You can find them right now. So get in there, compete, enter for the Patreon box, guys. It's going to be awesome. I think you're going to like what we have. Speaker 2: 43:51 Okay, there are rules, there are terms and conditions. As always, you can scroll down to the bottom of these competitions and view them. You click on them. 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