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00:02:39.159 very short skirts. Yeah. Yeah, Um, I still haven't planned my 30 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:45.120 where I'm going to go for the summer because I just like I'm terrified that 31 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:50.159 um, well, all sorts of things. Yeah, the travel, the 32 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.360 travel problem, which we've dealt with before. Where where where they try and 33 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:59.159 make your life hell to dissuade you from traveling ever again? And then like 34 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:00.919 where is where it was good to go to? You didn't? You didn't 35 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:05.879 rape me Yorker. I'm thinking of Greek island. But what Greek islands haven't 36 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:10.800 been ruined? Mm hm anyway, luxury problems. Um, I had a 37 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:22.039 lovely weekend in um Endorset. Um, I hadn't had an event there. 38 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:25.080 One of my live podcast things. I think you plugged it on Clive to 39 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:32.439 Carl and it was it was great. I mean the best thing Clive to 40 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:39.120 Carl is he's sort of the guru for all things alternative health. Okay, 41 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:47.639 so um, the vitamins and things that, all the different potions that you 42 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:53.400 can and dietary of course, he's a he's a fount of knowledge. And 43 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:58.719 how many and what what was the capacity of the venue? Well? I 44 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:03.800 think we had stunder two hundred people there, which is obviously not not on 45 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:08.439 a par with my big London events, but I kind of like the smaller 46 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:13.479 ones. Um. The only thing I will say is that they're like details 47 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:20.279 that One of the problems about about doing my my shows is that you've got 48 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:27.759 to find a venue which is counsel proof, and it's really quite hard these 49 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:31.120 days to find find somewhere that isn't going to get freaked out by a phone 50 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:35.240 call saying you know, do you realize that James Danningpole is a dangerous conspiracy 51 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:40.639 theorist or whatever. I mean. The people are people are very easily cowed. 52 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.040 Um. But it Yeah. It was a sort of a sort of 53 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:49.279 health club with lots of tables and chairs in it and a stage and we 54 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:55.000 sat on the stage and as ever, I was blown away by what an 55 00:04:55.040 --> 00:05:00.160 extraordinary mix of people come to my things. So you had every everyone, 56 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:11.759 everyone from sort of blond blonde ladies with cut glass accents to a man with 57 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:16.519 dogs on ropes who I believe was from the from the from the traveler community, 58 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.040 and he was fantastic. He came up to me

and and pledged his 59 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:23.199 allegiance to me, and he liked me. Do you know why? Do 60 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:28.639 you know why he liked me? Most of all because of the fake Paul 61 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.839 McCartney theory. No no dinosaurs, No, You're never going to get no. 62 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:38.519 No, it's because because I'm a hunting man, okay, and and 63 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:41.800 there's there's clearly a kind of bond. I really want to go and see 64 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:45.439 him. I want to I want to go and meet him with his with 65 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:49.879 his people, because I'm kind of I've kind of gone. I don't know 66 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.680 what. I don't know what what you're meant. They called gypsies, you 67 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.680 call the traveler. I know what the correct term is. But what I've 68 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.800 what I realized I didn't realize before, is that these people have got it 69 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:04.680 long before the rest of us. They realized all along that the world was 70 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:10.399 a conspiracy of this kind of these kind of elites against the ordinary people. 71 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:14.560 And the reason that they don't take part in the system is because they've never 72 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:19.040 they've never believed in it, is my theory anyway. You know. One 73 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:25.160 one interesting debate we have in my household is whether the word gypsy is a 74 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:32.360 kind of pejorative racial epiffect, or whether it's acceptable and not just acceptable to 75 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:38.879 the traveler community, but acceptable to people acceptable to the traveler community for other 76 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:42.720 people to use it about the travel community. But I I remember from my 77 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:47.480 education days that there was I think an education category in all the kind of 78 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:54.000 Department for Education tables about pupil attainment, which was GRT, which stands for 79 00:06:54.079 --> 00:07:00.680 Gypsy Roma Traveler. So I think that's just I mean that you see, 80 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:08.439 this is how they so arrange it. They are constantly changing the acceptable terms 81 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:13.279 in order to rung foot you, so that bleeding heart liberals like Utoby are 82 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:17.800 always walking on eggshells. Always the answer to the question, James, or 83 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:21.160 do you just not care? I mean, with this gentleman, I think 84 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.480 no, no, no, I'm sure you wouldn't. I'm sure because because 85 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:29.519 he considers me a good bloke, because I don't think it matters. But 86 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:34.639 you know, I'd like to use whatever or whatever his preferred term is, 87 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:38.920 just because I can see that he's a

he's a brother now, and I 88 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.040 obviously I don't want to don't want to want to upset my brothers. But 89 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.399 yeah, beyond that, I think it's just just absolute bollocks. It's like 90 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:51.720 you remember how how when we were in the nineteen seventies, maybe people would 91 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:56.720 use a term like colored people, and that was the polite word. But 92 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:00.720 if you but if you use colored now, that would be considered really really 93 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.879 offensive. Yes, So the debating point in my household. Is is the 94 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.600 term gypsy like the term colored And I think the answer is no, at 95 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.399 least not yet. I just googled it and there was a category in the 96 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:18.040 twenty twenty one National Census which was Gypsy or Irish traveler. So it is 97 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:26.399 still a designation for a particular population that hasn't yet been ruled out of bounds 98 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:31.160 by the kind of thought police as far as I know. Yeah. Yeah, 99 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:37.000 anyway, I was very, very taken with Dorset Bridport. I thought 100 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:43.799 was really nice. But there have been debates in my among my people as 101 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:50.639 to whether Bridport is an absolute woke nightmare or whether it is actually quite awake. 102 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.480 And I think the answer is it depends where you go. For example, 103 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:58.600 there were bookshops with different allegiances. So one of the bookshops has got 104 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:03.480 has got sort of rainbow flags and stuff in the in the window. Another 105 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:09.200 has got copies of the light paper. Yeah, yeah, same is awake. 106 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.519 Yeah, I think I think the same. Yes, I think the 107 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:18.480 same is broadly true of totness, which is I mean I lived in a 108 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.120 in a I lived in the country in South Devon for teen the ages of 109 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:28.120 thirteen and seventeen for four years, and our nearest town was Totness, and 110 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:33.759 Totness was recently singled out, I think by Marianna Springs in a BBC Verify 111 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:41.279 report about what can happen if we allow misinformation on social media to go unchallenged, 112 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:45.279 and it talked about, you know, how Totness have become a kind 113 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:52.240 of anti vaxer haven, and how a local mayoral candidate had been barracked because 114 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.799 of a proposed lt N or something along those lines. And of course opposition 115 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.840 to ltens is bracketed with opposition to the vaccines and general kind of far right 116 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:09.120 extremism in the eyes of these anti misinformation police officers. But it's interesting that 117 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.519 that top nest back in my day, which was I mean I lived there 118 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.240 in I guess it was that it was in the late seventies. Um it 119 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.360 was really the equivalent of woke today. So it was full of kind of 120 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.039 right on trendy, left of center people. But what were considered, you 121 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:30.519 know, the kind of fashionable bien pensant opinions of the day, were you 122 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:37.279 know, embracing alternative medicine, acupuncture, Cairo practi or wherever it's called. 123 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.519 Um it was, and it you know and they and they were all kind 124 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:48.360 of environmentalists before their time, into organic vegetables and growing their own and of 125 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.080 course there was a kind of druggy component to um and then he had these 126 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.360 there were these kind of hippie fares like hood Fare, which would take place 127 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:01.960 sort of once a year um And But but today that kind of community has 128 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.639 kind of morphed into what you'd call via wake, hasn't it, And they're 129 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.799 no longer no part of the kind of woke tribe. I think it's I 130 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:18.159 think it's a a noticeable facet of places like top Nests, Breadport, I 131 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:26.720 guess, probably Bright and certainly Stroud, where you have this massive division. 132 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:33.279 You know, you've got a high proportion than normal of people that want one 133 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.159 might loosely have bracketed alternative or hippie types or whatever. But there was a 134 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:43.080 big divide within those within that group, between those who are into all the 135 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:50.639 eco bollocks and and to willingly submitted to the death jab and don't see any 136 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.960 any you know, anything weird about net zero and so on, and those 137 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.639 who are completely awake to everything that's going on. And I noticed this one 138 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:05.559 I I did a speaker thing in Stroud last year and that the awake people 139 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:11.960 there are absolutely fantastic. You know, somebody brought me. I always get 140 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:16.919 brought these lovely, lovely gifts and people often bring me things like raw milk, 141 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.039 which, as you probably know, is what is the only kind of 142 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:24.080 milk you want to drink. You don't want to be drinking anything that's been 143 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.879 pasteurized. It gets ruined and things like that. And they gave me a 144

00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.519 fantastic reception. But it was touch and go whether the event was going go 145 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:39.480 ahead because the aggressively woke section of Stroud tried to get it cut closed down. 146 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:46.200 So that's how it works, yes, and you can see yeah, 147 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.080 and you can see that. I mean, I think that division is also 148 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:54.799 particularly pronounced in university towns like Oxford and Cambridge, which are in Bristol and 149 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:58.320 Edinburgh, which are proposing to introduce you know, fifteen minute cities, fifteen 150 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.679 minute neighborhood and you see the kind of that there's a clear division between the 151 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:09.120 kind of extinction rebellion just stop oil net zero fanatics on one side, and 152 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:15.000 the people you designate as awake on the other. Do you reckon? I 153 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.279 don't think they exist in the university terms the awake at all. Well, 154 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.639 there was that big protest in Oxford, wasn't there Were they all outsiders coming 155 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.080 in? I don't think. And then there's this guy, you know, 156 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:31.360 there's this guy, Florence Pew's dad who's become one of the spokespeople for the 157 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.480 kind of anti lt N movement in Oxford because he's just had he has a 158 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:41.559 chain of cafe slash restaurants in Oxford and he's just had to close one as 159 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:48.200 a consequence of an lt N being aggressively introduced in the neighborhood at this particular 160 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.919 restaurant. And he was it was in the Telegraph today and he was interviewed 161 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:58.919 by Together and it's but he's become a kind of spokesrother together Together. Yeah, 162 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.600 yeah, they're controlled opposition. They're not really, They're not. They 163 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:09.759 really are. No, so long to go into here, But no, 164 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.039 I don't trust them with a barge pole. If they're inting something that's that's 165 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.840 that's not a good sign. So who but sorry, did you see did 166 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:20.679 you see what we were on together? I mean, I can't agree with 167 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.159 you there, James. I think they're perfectly good fake of course you think 168 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:30.159 that jabs. But they're on the same side as you, not they they 169 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.240 are they purport to be on the same side, and they they well, 170 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:39.799 they're antil they're anti ulo's expansion, they are mandates. They well, they 171 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:45.559 wouldn't exactly be very convincing um fakes, would they if they didn't embrace

on 172 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:50.799 of our causes? Good? Who was any did did you see were on 173 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:56.039 it? Did you see that there was a picture of um a meeting organized 174 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:05.639 by Together to protest about the rollout of an LTN summer in Dorset actually, 175 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.360 and a local Lib DEM counselor retweeted the picture. There was a picture was 176 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.320 an empty hall that they all had kind of anti ULA's banners on all of 177 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:18.600 the chairs instead of people, and this Lib Dem counselor said he would happily 178 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:22.440 gassed the lot of them, or words to that effect, which was pretty 179 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:26.399 shocking. He was immediately banned from Twitter. And but lib Dems are not 180 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:30.279 not kicking him out or suspending him. They're just sending him on a kind 181 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:35.600 of an awareness of social media awareness. Who would he happily have gassed the 182 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:41.799 anti ULA's protesters at this meeting in Dorset organized by Together? Yeah, I 183 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:46.600 think carbon monoxide was a similarity between liberalism and Nazism, So I can see 184 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.919 why. I can see why he'd have been comfortable saying stuff like that. 185 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:56.360 Blimey, yeah, lovely people yeah, so um so on the subject, 186 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:04.279 I think, did you see the Uval Harari comment in which he basically said 187 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:10.559 there was a very thin line between conspiracy theorists and Nazis? So it was 188 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:18.440 I think he was interviewed for a podcast and he said and he called for 189 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.799 conspiracy theorists to be banned from the Internet because of their dangerous belief that a 190 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:27.399 global clique of elites control the world. So I'll just reading this with James. 191 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:33.759 Harari condemned the theory that a shadowy elite of billionaires and globalists control the 192 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.799 world. He called it anti semitic and dangerous. During an appearance on Lex 193 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:42.399 Friedman's podcast, Harari noted that the world is too complex to be controlled by 194 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:47.679 powerful people. Quote, according to conspiracy theorist, there was a small group 195 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:52.120 of people, the cabal, who secretly control everything that happens in the world. 196 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:56.519 All wars, all revolutions, all epidemics, everything that happens is controlled 197 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.519 by this very small group of people who are of course evil and had bad 198 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:04.920 intentions. This is a very well known story. It's not new. It's 199 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.200 very appealing because, first of all, it's simple, and you don't have 200 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.519 to understand everything that's going on in the world. You just have to understand 201 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.759 one thing, the war in Ukraine, the Israeli Palestinian conflict, five g 202 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:21.480 technology COVID nineteen. It's simple. There is this global cabal. They are 203 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:26.400 doing all these things. So he warned that these crises are often blamed on 204 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:30.680 Jews or Freemasons. Quote, if we just get rid of this little group, 205 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.000 we will solve all of the problems of the world. Salvation. It's 206 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:36.720 simple, it's attractive, and that's why so many people believed in it. 207 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:41.240 And he then went on to compare belief in the Cabal to Nazism. He 208 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:45.119 argued that Nazis also believed that a clique was trying to control the world. 209 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.079 Quote, the basic idea of the Nazis was that the Jews control the world. 210 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:52.480 Get rid of the Jews, you solve all the world's problems. So 211 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.839 there you go, James, that seems like you hear that quite often as 212 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:02.319 a way of dismissing conspiracy theories or a way of arguing that people who promote 213 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:06.480 them should be banned from the Internet. There's a thin line between conspiracy theorists 214 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:11.039 and anti semitism, and that in turn will be you are you are you 215 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:15.240 Team uval or or or team Team Well, I'm not, I'm not on 216 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:18.279 this one. I'm not Team uvell And actually, um, I did have 217 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.920 a chance, isn't it. He's he's I mean, he's he's he's he's 218 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:33.599 definitely UM at the forefront of the UM, the literary stroke pseudo scientific branch 219 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.200 of the of the World Economic Forum. Isn't he I mean, he's had 220 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:42.359 these these best sellers, really pushing the transhumanist agenda, which is part of 221 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:51.079 the wf's I mean here he is actually actually describing with some accuracy that the 222 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:55.680 nature of the of the conspiracy um. You know that there is a there 223 00:18:55.759 --> 00:19:00.200 is a tiny elite, not like to use the word elite, sort of 224 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:06.279 the rizarkabal, which which has been operating for since the beginning of time. 225 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.160 That's the thing. So it's no wonder people keep talking about this thing through 226 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:15.519 the ages, because in different variations, these same people have been running the 227 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:22.440 world and conspiring to to make the

lives of us, the useless eaters, 228 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.200 miserable, and it's just that they now have the technology to do it on 229 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.160 a global scale. So so, yeah, but you're right about the free 230 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:37.559 speech issue issues that this guy is basically saying that people who want to talk 231 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.880 about these ideas, which which they can support with evidence, are some kind 232 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:47.039 of unto mentioned who who are Well, I don't know. He wants he 233 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:51.359 wants to bracket us with the Nazis, but I'm not sure that that's a 234 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:56.319 fair analogy. Well, how do you respond? I mean, you must 235 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:02.640 have been confronted about this before, but what's your kind of standard response when 236 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:07.079 people say, James, when you talk about a cabal of people who've been 237 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.759 running the world for two thousand years, Um, it does sound a lot 238 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:15.039 like an anti Semitic conspiracy theory, even though you yourself, Yeah, I 239 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:21.039 think, I think, I think that anti Semitism is one of those is 240 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:26.480 one of those boo words which has been which is which is used cavalierly, 241 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:33.440 like racist or climate change denier or the conspiracy theorist or tinful hat. There's 242 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:41.359 there's a whole range of insults that they've they've developed to close down the argument. 243 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:45.279 And it's as simple as that. I don't. I mean, I 244 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:49.119 think it was George Soros who who? Who? Who stated that? Or 245 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:55.079 sorry it is said that because because George Soros, who is involved in so 246 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:57.640 many of these conspiracies, because he's one of the bad men, he funds 247 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:04.559 a lot of the alleged grassroots organization in order to promote the agenda of the 248 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:10.279 Kebal that because he happens to be Jewish, that somehow to criticize what he's 249 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:15.400 doing is anti Semitic. Well, it doesn't really matter what religion George Sorros 250 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.119 is, you know, if what he's doing is wrong, and it's wrong, 251 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:19.880 and it ought to be it ought not to be beyond criticism. So 252 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:26.799 I think the label anti Semitism is used far, far too options too often 253 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.440 to just close down the argument, and that's wrong. Don't. Don't you 254 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:36.920 find though, that sometimes you have kind of people who are anti Semitic, 255 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:38.559 kind of gravitating. Now I don't, I don't, I don't bind the 256 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:41.599 term at all. I don't. I simply do not know what the term 257 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:48.519 actually means, because I don't think that there are they even exist, the 258 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:52.319 people who sort of go oh, I hate the Jews. The Jews are 259 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.359 really horrible. Why would you um that? But there's there's a there's a 260 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:06.240 world of difference between between say um that and UH saying well, uh, 261 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.559 I mean I I don't get it. I genuinely don't don't don't get this 262 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.240 the term has any validity. It's like like racists, what does it mean? 263 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:18.599 I know very few people who actually hate people because of the color of 264 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:25.160 their skin. Um, it's just I think, well, I mean, 265 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:32.039 clearly are people who have a kind of irrational hatred of Jews. UM, 266 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:37.960 not least some you know, um, Islamic extremists, particularly in the Middle 267 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.319 East, but also in parts of Europe like UM, like France, for 268 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:48.160 instance, Marseille. Who do you know target Jews Jewish businesses when there are 269 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:52.799 outbreaks of civil unrest or even when there aren't. UM And and the kind 270 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.119 of strain of anti Semitism amongst kind of American far right groups. I think 271 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:03.240 there are many different I think there are many different elements in the criminal cabal 272 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:07.680 that runs the world, and clearly some of them are going to be Jewish, 273 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.000 and I think that the fact that they're Jewish should not render them beyond 274 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.400 criticism. But I think that it's not just Jewish people. I mean, 275 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:22.880 I think you know, you've got the Jesuits, You've got the bloodlined families, 276 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:29.519 You've got all manner of of extremely dodgy people who have the power in 277 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:34.480 the world, the old aristocracy, the old the European rural houses. They're 278 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:40.720 not or Jewish. So I personally haven't got any particular beef with with the 279 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:45.480 Jews, and I don't think that most people in my line of thinking have, 280 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.319 So I don't. I don't. I don't buy I don't buy that 281 00:23:48.440 --> 00:24:03.440 term. Okay, should we break for a programmatic ad. Hello, I'm 282 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:07.640 Dennis Neal, and here's what's bugging me. The media are burying some of 283 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:11.839 the biggest scandals of our lifetime, and I'm here to call them out on 284 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:17.079 it and make fun of them for it. The Twitter files and government censorship, 285 00:24:17.400 -->

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I mean I not, you know, 293 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:17.319 I totally don't care about this, but but but I always knew that Desantists 294 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:21.960 was just a kind of establishment creature posing as as I mean, they all 295 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.799 are. Everyone is an establishment creature posing is something they're not. But I 296 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:30.519 thought that Desantists was a particularly egregious example because he had people, people on 297 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:34.440 the right saying, yeah, Florida, look how well Florida performed in in 298 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:41.359 during during COVID de santisism. Man, he's not, He's just he's a 299 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:45.039 green studge apart from anything else. So now, ye see, I I 300 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:48.160 disagree. I think he'd course, of course you did Toobes. I mean, 301 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.279 he was going to be your man. He's he's the cuck's cut. 302 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.960 Well. I think he's also more capable of beating whoever the Democratic nominee is, 303 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:02.400 particularly Joe Biden, than Donald Trump. I think the problem with Trump 304 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:07.160 is that he frightens the horses too much. He has a very energetic base, 305 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:14.079 but he scares people who are a bit more moderate and who the Republicans 306 00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:15.960 will need to win if they're going to win the presidency. And I don't 307 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:19.440 think Descantis does. You may say that's because he's a cuck, but I 308 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.640 do think his track record as governor of Florida is very good. And I 309 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:27.119 do think that, you know, he was one of the best governors in 310 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:32.720 terms of his response to the pandemic. He listened to Jay batter Charia Martin 311 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:41.799 called off Shanetragupta recognize that focused protection was a better response than a blanket blanket 312 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.519 quarantining of everybody. The healthy and the thick reopened before most other states, 313 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:49.680 and as a consequence, the economy in Florida is booming. I also I 314 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:57.480 also admire his war on Woke, his fight with Disney. He's done something 315 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:04.000 about the promotion of what sort of critical race theory and gender identity ideology and 316 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:08.519 schools in Florence. All this is I think I think he I think I 317 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.240 think he'd I think he'd be, you know, a much better president than 318 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.839 Trump. But haven't you equally lost faith in Trump. Don't you think he's 319 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.759 controlled opposition or kind of a cup or I mean, or do you think 320 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:25.599 he's marginal margin? Two things, tabs Um. First of all, or 321 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:33.400 all that you've said presupposes that these elections aren't completely rigged. And it's not 322 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.880 about the democratic process. It's about things like voting machines. It's about it's 323 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:42.680 about smoil ballots and things like that. And you remember the reason, the 324 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:51.359 reason that you and I have arguments every week all goes back two When was 325 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:56.039 it three years ago the stolen election when I could see this was my journey 326 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:03.839 wrapped down the rabbit hole. If you remember when I could seem so much 327 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:11.039 evidence that the election was stolen from Donald Trump. And at the time I 328 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.000 was a sort of Trump Trump fan. But that's neither him nor that. 329 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:22.440 The point was, it was very obvious that a senile, incontinent fool known 330 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:27.599 for his corruption, known to have this toxic liability of a son, known 331 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:33.960 to have sort of criminal connections with China and Ukraine. I mean, at 332 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.799 least in terms of he might as well have been owned by them, This 333 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:42.759 incredibly dodgy character who was so toxic that he was kept from his minders from 334 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:49.240 the campaign circuit, and this guy was up against a man who was touring 335 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:55.640 America, playing to these packed arenas where everyone was trump Mania. There was 336 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.920 no reason to suppose that Trump was not going to get an even bigger majority 337 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:06.000 in his second term than his first. And instead you saw this this in 338 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:15.680 content, senile crook somehow magically winning the election in the middle of the night, 339 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:22.000 when the Trump votes seemed to magically convert into Biden votes. And instead 340 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.920 of going, oh, there's something really dodgy

about this, what about all 341 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.839 this footage of skullduggery in election in ballot counting houses. What about these lorry 342 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:36.960 drivers talking about about these batches of filled in ballots that they've had to bring, 343 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.759 you know, all of them mark for Biden? What about all this? 344 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:47.519 All My conservative colleagues, including you, went nothing to see here. 345 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:52.319 Clearly, clearly Biden won this election because Trump was just too toxic. And 346 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:57.599 that was my point where I completely lost faith with the mainstream media. All 347 00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:02.759 my career up that point, I believe that being a journalist was a kind 348 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.680 of honorable trade, and that we spoke truth to power, and that we 349 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:11.599 weren't afraid to call call, call, out skull, daggery and dishonesty and 350 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:18.240 whatever. And I suddenly realized that no, there was this barrier which prevented 351 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.160 even my respected the colleagues that I had thought when were my equals at least, 352 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.359 that there was stopping them seeing the truth. And whatever reason it was, 353 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.279 I was disgusted with all my colleagues. I mean, I can't think 354 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:37.279 of one actually who didn't, who didn't betray the cause of journalism. And 355 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:45.000 thereafter I can't talk about American election politics because it's all rigged, it's all 356 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:51.160 dishonest, and you don't get anything honestly about this in our media nor an 357 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:56.160 American media either. I guess we do disagree about this. And my view 358 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:03.440 is that the conspiracy theory known as the STEM was thoroughly tested in the American 359 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:11.480 courts um which are also corrupt. Most recently when when when Fox decided to 360 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.880 settle with dominion voting machines for a lot of money. Who owns Fox? 361 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:22.920 And and tod who owns Fox? But I think I think that if who 362 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:29.839 owns Fox, who is it? Murdoch? Still? I think it is 363 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.400 still Murdoch. Yeah, well, Murdoch is part of the I told you 364 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.559 the media lies. The media is part of the conspiracy. So the idea 365 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.920 dependent analysis. The problem is, James, when when you have to say, 366 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.200 you know, it isn't just it wasn't just a conspiracy carried out by 367 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.880 the Democratic Party to rig the election, to get their candidate elected, inclusion 368 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.279 with the manufacturers of the voting machines. It goes higher than that. It 369 00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.759 involves, of course involves said that. But when you say that, you 370 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.440 come less and less plausible, because you know, the broader the conspiracy, 371 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.880 the more likely it is to be rumbled because so many more and more people 372 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.559 know about it, the more and more likely there's going to be a leak. 373 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:16.079 There's going to be documentary. You think them some emails or recorded the 374 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:21.519 worly because I've just pointed out I'm talking about but that the truckloads of filled 375 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.519 in balance. I've talked talked about the video, video footage. But the 376 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:30.720 media looked at this evidence and said nothing to see here. The courts looked 377 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.720 at the evidence, said nothing to see here. The idea because there was 378 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:37.000 an election, the idea, this is election that could just have been stolen 379 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.720 by some kind of errant Democratic Party. How could they have done that. 380 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:45.759 They needed big tech on side, they needed the corrupt media on side, 381 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.279 they needed the corrupt court system on side. Otherwise they could not have carried 382 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.559 it off. They needed the journalists to look at look the other way. 383 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:58.400 Otherwise it wouldn't have been That's the implausible part your your notion that this could 384 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:04.599 have been carried out just by a few dodgy Democratic Party members with a few 385 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.119 dominion voting machines. It was far bigger than that, far bigger. I 386 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.759 don't think it happened at all. So I'm not suggesting that that's what happened. 387 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:16.319 I think that if as in order to in order to kind of overcome 388 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:22.200 the difficulty to your theory, that the courts in almost every case decided there 389 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.960 was nothing to this, and Fox in the end concluded it didn't have a 390 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.160 case against dominion voting machines, and even Murdoch, I think, would be 391 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.359 a bit reluctant to give away such large sums of money just to promote some 392 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:38.279 conspiracies involved in it just becomes more and more implausible, and the likelier explanation 393 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:43.559 becomes maybe there was no deal. Maybe Biden just beat Trump, And if 394 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:49.079 you look at the margin of victory. You know, it's it's sufficiently large 395 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:53.720 that a bit of election fraud wouldn't have been enough to kind of giving you 396

00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:58.720 these figures on the margin of victory. I'm suggesting that the whole system is 397 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:05.880 soaker upt that no detail of it anywhere it is untainted. So, um, 398 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.840 that's why we're never going to agree, because your facts are I would 399 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:19.199 argue, tainted by association with their sources. That's the problem. So we 400 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.960 never came to agree. Um I wanted to UM. So one of one 401 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:29.679 of the contributors to The Daily Skeptic had a point he wanted me to make 402 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:37.159 to you in connection with UM your theory about the fake Paul McCartney, he 403 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.519 says, He says, So, just leak at your the theory. Right, 404 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:47.079 you think that Paul McCartney died in sixty six, is it? Yeah? 405 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:52.159 In sixty six and was replaced by a fake Paul McCartney. Now do 406 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:57.599 you think that the other members of the Beatles kind of went along with this 407 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.519 or do you think that the fake Paul McCartney was such a good fake that 408 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:05.199 he fooled them along with everyone? No? No, no, that the 409 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:12.840 person to get all this from is a researcher called Sage of Key qu a 410 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:17.440 y I think it is, who's done hours of research into this from all 411 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:25.239 angles, ranging from the suspiciously quick time in which the albums were put together. 412 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:30.679 There's a suspiciously large number of songs which which almost certainly could not have 413 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:35.840 been written by Lennon and McCartney, but were written written for them by by 414 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:40.800 teams of So the essence of the Sage of Key theory is that the Beatles, 415 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:50.880 like the Stones, were a social engineering project project of the Tavistock Institute. 416 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:55.039 So the Paul is dead dead thing is a small detail of that. 417 00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:05.000 So his theory is essentially that the four Beatles were not particularly talented musicians. 418 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:09.840 They were selected for a role and given assigned these these these personalities, and 419 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:15.119 that all the all the skilled work was done in the studio by people like 420 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:22.679 their minder George Martin, who did all the sort of the arrangements in the 421 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:27.960 production, the sort of all the tird polishing um. But also that many 422 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:34.079 of their songs were written for them and played for them by session musicians, 423 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.840 talented session musicians who encouraged the keeps dum. Note for example, how the 424 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:45.679 Beatles almost never went on tour. And remember when they first went to the 425 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:52.480 US, UM there were these screaming girls who screamed so loudly that the Beatles 426 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.360 playing could not be heard, which which was kind of convenient. Now sago 427 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.639 Key says that these girls were actually paid fifty dollars apiece, which I think 428 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:07.559 is about the equivalent of UM, a lot of money now ums with a 429 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:12.920 lot of money in nineteen in the late sixties, UM. That was part 430 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.320 of the cover up. So so so yeah, going back to Paul McCartney, 431 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:22.000 Paul McCartney died, the original Paul McCartney UM, and was replaced by 432 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:29.480 a guy called William Shepherd, who was actually a better musician, is a 433 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:35.119 better musician than than Paul McCartney, and the other Beatles always kind of resented 434 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:37.920 this new character. He was also nicknamed Billy Shears, hence the reference to 435 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:45.039 Billy Shears and the introduced you you know, the woman only Billy Shears UM. 436 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.880 And there is obviously they're not going to admit all this stuff. They're 437 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.079 going to think they've got strong reasons to hide all this, but there is 438 00:37:53.760 --> 00:38:01.719 there is rare footage of for example, people who knew both pauls calling him 439 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:07.920 not Paul but Billy. I think I think George Harrison's widow, I think 440 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:13.480 does it. Somebody else does it, So you know, there's there's a 441 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.199 there's enough, there's enough. According to the theory, the other Beatles knew 442 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.480 about it, but just kept bird about it. Because my friend's point is 443 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:28.480 that in Get Back, the documentary by Peter Jackson filmed or Which which is 444 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:32.880 thought filmed in nineteen sixty nine, Paul regularly makes detailed references to things that 445 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:37.280 happened to him and the group pre nineteen sixty six. So if what you're 446 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.920 saying is true, that the reason they don't call him out on that and 447 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.119 say, hey, you weren't a lot, you weren't in the group then 448 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.800 because you're not the real Paul McCarten is because they were in on it too. 449 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.400 But then doesn't that make them really rather exceptional actors? Yes, which 450 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.159 I think that was there, that was there, that was their I think 451 00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.840 that's always in the same way that the Monkeys were actors. I think I 452

00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.719 think most people and this applies beyond beyond popular music, by the way, 453 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:10.199 well beyond. But before you get let me let me just before you before 454 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:17.800 you extend the hypothesis, Um, if if the Beatles were basically like Manudo 455 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.519 or the Monkeys or the basically rollers, if they were a kind of manufactured 456 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:30.000 band by kind of smarter people, better musicians, Yeah, to two immediate 457 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:31.400 points arise. The first is, well, why did they break up? 458 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:36.119 I mean, if they were just paid actors, why did the band break 459 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:37.199 up? You know, it was it was it was a cash cow and 460 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:42.360 just keep it going like they're rolling stones. Second about money, Well, 461 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.800 it's okay, but whatever agenda they had, why did it suit their agenda? 462 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:47.760 Had the band break up? Secondly? Maybe that was Secondly, if 463 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:53.119 the success of a band like the Beatles can be manufactured with four amity musicians 464 00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:58.400 who were good at acting, how can they bottle this lightning so infrequently? 465 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:00.079 You know, if it had nothing to do with the talents of the four 466 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.719 individuals, with their particular chemistry, with the songwriting and musical ability of Lennon 467 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:07.880 and McCartney, Oh why didn't they Why why couldn't they do it over and 468 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.719 over again? You know? Why did it once once in a century kind 469 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.880 of phenomenon? Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure that that's true. 470 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:22.000 Um, I mean, look at Oasis. Were Oasis ever any good? 471 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.159 I don't. I don't think so. Um. I remember going to 472 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:31.280 see Oasis is um first appearance at at Glastonbury and and thinking because there's been 473 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:36.000 so much buzz about them, and thinking, what is that it? This 474 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.960 is? This is the coming thing. I think this applies to a lot 475 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:46.440 so so that that suggests that that musical success is contingent on the musical talent 476 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:53.800 of the members of the band. At least you're effectively, you're effetively corroborating. 477 00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:59.840 My my, my, my point not to hear that it is. 478 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:07.880 It's obviously contingent on the individual's concern. They're not actors. They're difficult people, 479 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.400 but they're usually musically pretty talented, particularly in the case of successful groups. 480 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.840 But if it's all manufactured by these kind of dark, secretive figures behind 481 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.440 the scenes, why don't they manufacture it again? You know, why didn't 482 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.519 they manufacture it in the case of Oasis. You know, they've been more 483 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.880 bands. I think you complete misunderstand my point. I'm saying that Oasis were 484 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:31.400 always crap, yet they became the biggest band of their era. That that 485 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:36.840 okay, they had a few traits that that you know Liam's funny singing style, 486 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.079 and that their tunes were quite catchy because they're ripped off from the Beatles. 487 00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:44.599 But I don't think they were particularly special. I think you get sort 488 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:50.360 of you get sort of designated art rock bands, like like Radiohead when I 489 00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.039 was quite attached to Radiohead. But but but it is now my view that 490 00:41:53.119 --> 00:42:00.239 nobody becomes big with that. And this applies not just to music, but 491 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:07.480 to to literature, to to feel of acting. Nobody becomes big without the 492 00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:15.320 say so of the kebal people who call the shots. It's always it's all 493 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.559 part of So I think the thing you're going to have problems with with with 494 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.000 what I'm telling you about the peoples, is it that you find it inconceivable 495 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:30.079 that a body like the Tavistock Institute, even though it's that the same issue 496 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.599 that was its closure was announced recently because of that, which is slightly different, 497 00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:40.159 but but it's the Tavistock Institute was founded when was it was in the 498 00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:46.239 nineteen thirties, maybe later on, but it is essentially a a sort of 499 00:42:47.320 --> 00:43:00.519 um. It's designed to enact cultural shifts using the tricks of propaganda, of 500 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:04.480 psychological manipulation and so on. So it thinks really big. So it's not 501 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.400 just about about you know, you going to see your psychiatrist and being persuaded 502 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:13.239 that all your problems are to do with your relationship with your mother. It's 503 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:20.280 about shifting an entire generation into a particular direct direction. So the purpose of 504 00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:25.880 the Beatles and the Stones, for example, was well, to create generational 505 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:34.280 divides between um Stones also very much. And isn't it funny that that you 506 00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:37.599 had this yin in this yang. So when Brian Jones died, why didn't 507 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.599 they just replace him with a fake Brian Jones. Well, Brian Jones was 508

00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:45.960 probably murdered and and and and perhaps perhaps he was murdered in order that that 509 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.920 Mick Jagger, who was much more pliable than on board with what was going 510 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.559 on, would become the creature that Mick Jagger's become today. So yeah, 511 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:59.559 I mean, so just let me continue my point. The purpose was to 512 00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.480 create generational divide, to have parents saying, turn that bloody racket down, 513 00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.679 and the kids saying, I love this music, dad, it's more it's 514 00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:12.760 more life and you don't understone move um. So that to encourage sex and 515 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.559 drugs and so on. It's it's all part of the debasement of our culture. 516 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.559 Look, I mean I was into this stuff, so so I can 517 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.960 hardly say that I was not dueped to myself. But I think that big 518 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:28.079 picture, that is the reason that this stuff matters doesn't really matter whether or 519 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.800 not. Paul dis odd that you've kind of does It's odd that you've that 520 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:38.440 you've sort of um enlisted. You imagine that rock and roll was essentially manufactured 521 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:46.280 by whoever they might be, in order to kind of pursue their malevolent agenda. 522 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:51.039 I mean, surely, But wasn't rock and roll? You know, 523 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.760 it isn't rock and roll pretty anti establishment? It hasn't. It doesn't It 524 00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.480 doesn't seem to. Yeah, I mean, of course, of course it's 525 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.400 been. It's been co opted by the establishment in various ways, and doesn't 526 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:07.960 clearly pose much of a threat to you know, very successful tax accountants and 527 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:15.000 lawyers and producers and promoters, and you know, rock and roll bands are 528 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:20.280 now invited to White House inaugurations, balls, et cetera. But you know, 529 00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:24.760 in its original in its original rawst form, it was pretty anti establishment 530 00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:30.320 and posed a threat to the establishment. Rock and roll pretends to be anti 531 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:34.920 establishment. I don't buy into the idea that it is actually anti establishment, 532 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.199 because ultimately it is serving. Depends what you mean by the establishment, but 533 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.880 I mean, if you're referring to the deep, deep stage or the cabal 534 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.519 or whatever, it very much serves their serves their goals. Look, this 535 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:50.320 goes back a long way, James. I mean you're familiar with the phrase 536 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:54.840 bread and circuses. Yeah, but just remind me why men wants to destroy 537 00:45:54.920 --> 00:46:01.400 Western hard to listen to, Mike, don't. Don't just dismiss an important 538 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:07.280 point I'm making just because you don't understand it. That the reason that juvenile 539 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.880 I think it was referred to bread and circuses because it was a recognized technique 540 00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:20.239 of manipulation, of control of the populace. Partly you control them by brute 541 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.840 force, by by the fear of what will happen to them, you know, 542 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:27.599 whether it's crucifixion or decimation or whatever. But partly you do it by 543 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.239 you provide them. You make sure they've got their bread, so they've got 544 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:37.159 full bellis. And partly through circuses you have popular entertainments which which which manipulate 545 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:42.199 the public mood. This is this has gone on since and okay, you're 546 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.760 making You're making a slightly different point there. I mean, I can see 547 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:52.559 why, um, you know, m entertainers, the entertainment industry might be 548 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:59.920 you know, invested in as a way to distract people from I don't know, 549 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:05.239 extreme inequality and make it less likely that they'll will revolt the kind of 550 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.719 Marxist opium of the people. But but, but, but you're you're not 551 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:13.760 saying rock and roll, bread and circus is just used to kind of distract 552 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.840 and subdue populations. You're saying it was used to pursue a kind of anti 553 00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:22.360 Christian agenda to foster the collapse of our society, which is a slightly different 554 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:28.360 point. So my argue, So answer my original question, which is what 555 00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.079 was that? Why do that is often a point you make repeatedly. Why 556 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:37.199 why is it do you think in the cabal's interests to undermine you know, 557 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:42.199 the fundamental reasons, the reason society, the reason anti Christian, the reason 558 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:47.480 that it's the same point actually is that you need to approach this from first 559 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:52.519 principles. Um, you have to first of all, accept which is not 560 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:58.800 not a difficult proposition to accept. I don't think that there has always been 561 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:05.559 a a class in the world, a sort of minority which has had the 562 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:12.039 bulk of the money and the power um for whatever reason. How do they 563 00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:17.719 how do they maintain their power when they are for you and the massive humanity? 564

00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:20.519 Are you know, people like you and me? We are, we 565 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.119 are many. We could, we could, we could, we could do 566 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.840 a game of thrones. We could, you know, we could, we 567 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:29.800 could rise up against our presses at any time. Well, why don't we 568 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.119 do it? Well, one of course, is we're frightened of being killed. 569 00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:38.239 Maybe, but it would be very very I think tense and troubling for 570 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:45.000 the for these, for the predator class, if we spent our whole time 571 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:50.880 being only being held at bay by by their their armed guards. And so 572 00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.719 they have to find other ways of keeping us in line, and one of 573 00:48:54.760 --> 00:49:00.920 the one of the ways they do that is through deception through all manner of 574 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:07.000 things, ranging from seducing us with nice spectacles like like well your your your 575 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:14.320 your hobby football back in the day, circuses and Christians being fed to the 576 00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:16.920 lions and things another where they do it. You're going beyond that, James, 577 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:22.679 You're not nearly claiming you're you didn't hear my previous point. You're going 578 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:28.119 beyond claiming that the Cabal are trying to distract us from the fact that they 579 00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:31.199 hold power, got most of the resources, et cetera, by distracting us 580 00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:36.119 with these kind of ball balls, these entertainments. You're saying that they're actually 581 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:40.480 pursuing a kind of anti Christian, anti family, anti Western values agenda because 582 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:45.079 that's in their interest, which is you're going beyond merely the bread and circuses 583 00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:47.320 hypothersis for saying, you know, it's it's a kind of anti Christian, 584 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:52.159 satanic kind of version a breaton. What's their motive for that? You think 585 00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:54.880 that actually would be in their interest to have, you know, a small 586 00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:59.840 C conservative society which was Laura abiding, respected the right to property and so 587 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:07.079 well, why are undermining those things, provoking civilized and too much? You're 588 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:09.519 assuming that, I don't know why you think it's they would consider it in 589 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:15.199 their interests to have a small C conservative society. They're completely different from us, 590 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:20.199 and they always have been. They don't view us as being really anything 591 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:24.280 better than than cattle or or you know, useless eaters. Is there is 592 00:50:24.320

--> 00:50:29.880 their current fashionable phrase for us. I mean people, I think Henry Kissinger 593 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:37.119 has used that phrase. I think a few others they they they despise us. 594 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:42.119 They see us as as a million means to an end. We are 595 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.559 just tools in the way that slaves might be a tool for you, or 596 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:47.800 or cattle might be a tool. You know, we're no better than that. 597 00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:53.679 Um. They want to control us through divide and rule. Which is 598 00:50:53.679 --> 00:51:00.400 why, for example, the example I gave earlier about about separating creating a 599 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:07.760 generational divide, you ask you mentioned the spiritual level, you mentioned Christianity, 600 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:12.360 because ultimately that is what this what the battle is about. You've got the 601 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:17.320 battle that's been taking that is taking place in the material between these these predator 602 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:22.519 class people and their kind of their acolytes versus the rest of us. So 603 00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:29.320 that's the kind of the war that's taking place in terms of CBDCs and the 604 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:36.159 Death Jab and fifteen Minutes cities and so on. But that is merely the 605 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:45.079 earthly representation of the spiritual war that is taking place between good and evil. 606 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:51.239 It's ultimately the battle between the inheritors of the Babylonian mystery religions, which are 607 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:57.400 essentially the forces of Luciferianism or Satanism, and the forces of light, which 608 00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:01.280 are essentially Christians, which is why they particularly hate Christians. That's so, 609 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:06.159 I do believe that what's happening in the world is it is ultimately a spiritual 610 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.679 war, and that if you don't understand that, you don't really get the 611 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:15.400 full picture of what's going on. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's 612 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:22.480 it's just it's quite hard to grasp your hypothesis when it's you know, most 613 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:28.239 people are familiar with the idea it's been you know, popular on the left 614 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:34.079 and has been inherited by the woke, that there is a privileged class which 615 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:43.400 conspires to oppress the rest of the world's population by promoting things like Christianity, 616 00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.719 small c conservatism, the family, and so forth. So it's it's quite 617 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:52.480 it's quite counterintuitive read that you say that, what, well, where did 618 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.440 that theory come from? I didn't. I don't hear that. Well's I 619 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:59.559 heard that religion can sometimes be exploited, but I didn't think, well it 620 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.679 was Yeah, as marks who describe what religion, Christianity is the opium of 621 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:10.840 the masses amongst you know, the kind of dismissal of popular culture as a 622 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.960 kind of instrument of engendering false consciousness amongst the proletariat was going to be that 623 00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:22.199 as the kind of premise of most cultural studies courses in red brick universities. 624 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:29.079 Um, you know, this idea that popular culture has been manufactured by the 625 00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:34.440 capitalist predator class to kind of keep the masses down. That that that's a 626 00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.840 fairly familiar idea. But but but the idea that that that that all the 627 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:44.920 kind of anti social aspects, the anti establishment aspects of it, were originally 628 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:50.199 manufactured because it's in the interests of this predator class to cause division and to 629 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.400 cause social upheaval and kind of change and all the rest of it. That 630 00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:58.000 that that that that's counterintuitive and quite hard. I think. I don't know. 631 00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.440 Um well, I mean there's there's there's a book which which writes all 632 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.480 this up. Um, I don't know if you've ever Camels crossed it. 633 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.119 It's the best selling book in history. It's all there in the Bible. 634 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:15.599 I mean, it's it's all spelled out with with with frightening accuracy. I 635 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:21.960 mean, I think that the death jabs, for example, and c CBDCs 636 00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:28.480 and the approaching digital ID are very close to what is written in Revelation. 637 00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:30.880 About you know, the mark of the beast, and you know you can't 638 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:36.079 buy or sell unless you've got the mark of the beast. That seems very 639 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:42.440 spookily prescient. Um. But but yeah, I mean, I mean, 640 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.679 I know why you find it hard to accept, because, after all, 641 00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:53.360 we've been encouraged culturally to think of Christianity and that view of the world, 642 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:55.880 that understanding of the world, I mean, even the very notion of good 643 00:54:55.880 --> 00:55:01.159 and evil as stuff that belongs to a less enlightened period. That we sort 644 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:07.480 of kind of got over this stuff during the Enlightenment, when when science and 645 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:13.400 rationalism replaced the sort of superstition of religion. So this has been an ongoing 646 00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:20.559 process designed to discredit Christianity. And then you've got Darwinism emerging in the nineteenth

647 00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:24.840 century. Um that the idea that we weren't after all created, that we 648 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:30.559 just kind of evolved from slime and we're related to monkeys, which you know, 649 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:37.039 I mean, imagine what that does to to the Christian notions of a 650 00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.119 divine creator. So so it's it's been been a war on God as predicted 651 00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:45.440 in the Bible. Yes, I suppose not that, I think just the 652 00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:53.159 reason I struggle to kind of understand your hypothesis is it's not because I've been 653 00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:59.480 accustomed to think of Christianity as the opium of the masses. So find kind 654 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:04.079 of anti Christianity being presented as a kind of opiate hard to grasp. It's 655 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:07.440 more that I just would have thought intuitively. I mean, I don't think 656 00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.960 that, you know, I don't obviously believe in the existence of the cabal. 657 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:14.320 I, like you, Val think the world is too complex to be 658 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.679 controlled by a small group of billionaires. And there Val, Well, you 659 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.840 think he's innocent. Well, I don't think he's innocent. I think he's 660 00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:30.719 I think WF terbs. I mean, so, I don't it makes my 661 00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:34.400 point. I don't believe in the w F conspiracy theory either. But no. 662 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:38.280 But my difficulty is, is I mean, parking all that, let's 663 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:45.400 suppose there was a kind of all powerful cabal who were controlling the mass media, 664 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:50.119 the American courts, elections across the Western world and so forth. I 665 00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:54.800 just find it hard to grasp why you you you believe that they think that 666 00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:04.239 the promoting chaos, undermining the kind of bedrock of Western civilization, promoting the 667 00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:12.159 disintegration of our societies, promoting anarchy in France and elsewhere, fostering wars, 668 00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.239 bringing us to the brink of kind of nuclear catastrophe. How that could possibly 669 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.760 be in their interests? You know, it's in their interest to live in 670 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:24.760 a relatively stable, orderly, small sea conservative society in which people respect property 671 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:29.320 rights, including their property rights, and pay their taxes. So it just 672 00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:31.800 it just it's that's the kind of counterintuitive thing, the fact that it could 673 00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:37.000 be in the I mean, it's one thing claiming that Bill Gates and clausch 674 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:39.360 Far are controlling us all. Don't believe that for a second. But to 675 00:57:39.440

--> 00:57:44.960 then go on to say that they're responsible for unleashing chaos in the world because 676 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:50.400 it's in their interest for society to essentially collapse, that's just kind of That's 677 00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:54.280 that's where it just becomes completely incredible. I've heard you use this. I 678 00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:59.119 don't understand why they're doing it, Therefore it can't be happening, and your 679 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.079 Tanner responses not up to me to explain that, Well, I don't have 680 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:07.800 my standard responses. Actually, look at what they're doing, and look at 681 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:16.159 how the predictions of conspiracy theorists have so called conspiracy theorists have had a really 682 00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:24.320 weird, uncanny habit of coming true. So so we we warned that the 683 00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:31.199 these these experimental medical procedures that were being forced on upon us during COVID which 684 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:36.480 we which we we pointed out at the time, was deeply suspect and there 685 00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.239 didn't seem to be a real pandemic. We pointed out that these things could 686 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:44.679 have adverse health consequences and low look at the number of hang on, James, 687 00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.039 I think your kind of star. You're you're rewriting. Yeah, you're 688 00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:53.159 rewriting history there a little bit. Wasn't your prediction two years ago that um 689 00:58:53.280 --> 00:59:00.480 that that the COVID vaccines which you described as the kills jobs Jeff abs and 690 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:06.639 still do. We're being rolled out with a view to decimating populations on the 691 00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:09.800 part of the cabal, and story reduced the pout of the people now die. 692 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:15.280 Excess death may be elevated, well, but it doesn't seem like anything 693 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:19.599 like as apocalyptic and outcome. Originally, not enough has taken place, Enough 694 00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.719 people have died. But I'm sorry for you about that because it suggests that 695 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:24.800 you were big, a bit paranoid. Different for you to think that the 696 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:28.920 jobs will face safe and effective. I wonder I don't think they're safe and 697 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:32.639 effective. People. Let's hold on. You're doing your usual thing, which 698 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.679 is to kind of present it as binary. What do you think they're the 699 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:39.079 death jab or they're safe and effective. I don't think that they're safe and 700 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:45.079 effective, but I don't think they're They're designed to kill people. And the 701 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:49.880 fact that not nearly as many people as you predicted would die have died, 702 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:54.119 it suggests that you were wrong about that. Maybe a bit of humility I 703 00:59:54.199 --> 01:00:00.280 exaggerated the dangerous jabs were. They haven't as many people as I I thought. 704 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:02.719 Why don't you just would you? Would you? Would you take that? 705 01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:07.320 Take the vaccine you feel so cocky about again you wassenting as a binary 706 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:09.079 choice. No, I wouldn't. But if I did, I didn't think 707 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:13.599 it would actually kill me. I just think the risk benefit analysis suggest that 708 01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:16.639 I think it would be better. I think it would be UM, well, 709 01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:22.039 very very foolish. Look, I think that the consequences of these jabs 710 01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:27.599 are going to be felt for some time. I mean over over years, 711 01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:30.039 if not decades, And we don't know this. This is like the people 712 01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.719 who said that when we see the hailbop commet. The world's going to end 713 01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:37.760 well on that occasion, but maybe next time it comes around it this is 714 01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:39.960 you. This is your personal shifting the gold post. So your best line 715 01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:45.360 is that not enough people died from the no I was you were you were, 716 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:49.480 you were, you were, you were. You were preening and claiming 717 01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:54.039 credit for your conspiracy theory about the vaccines having come true. You're saying, 718 01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:00.719 but that hasn't because your conspiracy theory was it would kill tens of millions of 719 01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.960 people, billions, It would decimate the world's population. It was part of 720 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:10.320 a sinister satanic depopulation agen and excess deaths are slightly elevated. I'm not expressing 721 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:15.039 disappointment about that. I still be pointing out but nothing like the deaths of 722 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:19.679 a cur that you predicted to you, I find really too pride. Having 723 01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.760 accurately predicted what was originally dismissed as a conspiracy, they really just turned out 724 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.760 to be true. It hasn't done how to be true. It still there 725 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:30.559 are people. There are people all over the country who've who are living with 726 01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:37.079 terrible injuries, who've lost relatives, people who've had children's got my car, 727 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:43.639 dietist people who've had their quality of life shortened or curtailed permanently because of they 728 01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:49.440 were coerced by by their governments into taking a medical experimental treatment that they didn't 729 01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:53.119 need. And your response is, look at you, James, you were 730 01:01:53.119

--> 01:01:58.960 wrong about the vaccines because there weren't more people who died. Well, ay, 731 01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:01.800 we don't know how many people are going to die of these these death 732 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:06.119 jabs. I still believe our death jabs. Of course, it was going 733 01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:08.960 to always going to be impossible to put a number on how many would die 734 01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:13.079 at any given time, because we don't know, for example, how many 735 01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:16.960 of these shots were saline. We don't There seems to be a strong batch 736 01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:22.079 batch variation. But I don't think it's a really strong point to stand on 737 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:30.840 to gloat that actually not enough people died to confirm that these things were completely 738 01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:34.400 wrong and utterly immoral. And it's not just the vaccines, by the way, 739 01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:39.800 the death jabs. It's things like um fifteen minutes, cities, the 740 01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:46.880 coming war on I mean, how increasingly difficult it is to run a business 741 01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:52.440 using cash, to get banking facilities. All these things that we we predicted 742 01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:59.639 and are now becoming more and more real and all you're saying is not enough 743 01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:04.199 people died as results of the vaccines to prove you are totally right, which 744 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.960 I think is a bizarre thing to crow about. Well, James, it 745 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:14.159 was only in response to your crowing about your conspiracy theory about the vaccines having 746 01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:17.320 come true. And I'm merely I'm not I'm not excused. It's a it's 747 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:21.599 a range of issue that we write or not just I think, look that 748 01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:24.840 we were right that the vaccine, you weren't really you haven't killed nearly as 749 01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:29.360 many people as you predicted. I don't think I ever put a figure on 750 01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.880 it. Well, why why don't you go through go through the through the 751 01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:36.960 whole podcast and see see whether I I said how many people are going to 752 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:37.760 die? I don't think I did. Well, I think that this is 753 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:44.800 your death suggest your reins. I do. I don't deny called them the 754 01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.760 death job, but I think that's slightly different from me number to die. 755 01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:53.119 So you've invented this story about that I put the number on it, which 756 01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:57.159 I think I'd have been very foolished to do. I said that large numbers 757 01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:00.599 of people, that people were going to suffer from this, going to die 758 01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:02.920 and be injured, and I don't think I've been proved wrong. So if 759 01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:06.679 that's your best shot, I would say it's pretty feeble. Toby, Well, 760 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:13.880 I think you just ought to be slightly hesitant about bragging that your conspiracy 761 01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:18.000 theory about the vaccines has turned out to be true when that conspiracy theory was 762 01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:25.559 that they were manufactured by people working for the cabal with a view to deliberately 763 01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:30.199 killing people. You're really really keen to flog this dead horse because it's kind 764 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:33.679 of all you've got, isn't it. It's kind of you say that you're 765 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:42.159 you still believed that. So anyways, let's let's say your subs teeth. 766 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.360 Yeah, you've, you've, you've, you've You've made your only point that 767 01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:50.679 you can make. That's not enough people died from the from the vaccine, 768 01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:56.079 James. I'm not saying, well, not enough people died for to justify 769 01:04:56.159 --> 01:05:00.840 you continue death job. Yes, they are death jobs. All those people 770 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:04.039 who died they were victims of a death jab, weren't they They didn't need 771 01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:08.239 to take it, it killed them. I call that a death jab by 772 01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:11.920 definition. But the implication is, if you take a death jab, you're 773 01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:14.679 going to die. But if a death jab only kills, you know, 774 01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.119 zero point zero one percent of the people who take it. Then describing it 775 01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:21.760 as a death jab sounds like the same way conspiracy. When you call it 776 01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:25.440 the clot shot, everyone is going to get a blood shot. I don't 777 01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:28.280 think it quite works like that, Toby. I think I think you played 778 01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:31.320 fast and loose with I don't think so. I think I think you're rowing 779 01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:36.920 back a bit on how apocalyptic you were about the COVID vaccines when they were 780 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:42.480 first rolled out. But if you're if you're acknowledging that you exaggerated how harmful 781 01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:45.679 they were. No, I'm not. I'm not acknowledging anything. I'm actually 782 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.239 just full of kind of well, I didn't have discussed I'm kind of used 783 01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:53.079 to who you are and what you do. But I think that it's a 784 01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:58.079 very feeble point who you are and what you do. Does that mean I 785 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:01.000 think people can see it played out? I mean, I don't know why 786 01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:08.639 you are still determined after all this time to affect nonchalance about these that this 787 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:14.679 extraordinary period in

which on the basis of a fake pandemic, there was no 788 01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:18.920 pandemic, on the basis of that, that that governments around the world coerced 789 01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:24.599 their citizens into injecting stuff into them which could only cause them harm, which 790 01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:28.360 was going to cause them no benefit. The idea that you are still defending 791 01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:32.559 this position as somebody sort of claims to be a defender of freedom and conservatives 792 01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:34.840 not defending it, what makes thing I'm defending it? Well, I don't 793 01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:41.840 understand why you're crowing about either either you think it was a conspiracy designed to 794 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:45.239 kill people or you're defending the policy. Um, there is, there is, 795 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.760 there is a more nuanced middle position, James. That's my position. 796 01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:55.199 You seem to be unable to accept that that that you know, either you're 797 01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:58.159 on your side or you're on the other side, and there's no but no, 798 01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:01.199 I don't, I don't, And I I think it's it's entirely possible 799 01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:06.760 that that I mean that that these these deaths, I think I think a 800 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:13.559 huge number of work on work on a number of levels that partly it was 801 01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:20.679 just the most enormous cash cow for companies like FISA and the crooks who who 802 01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:25.360 are on a large scale invested in them, knowing what was coming, knowing 803 01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:29.199 that the pandemic was was was fake, and that partly, yes, it 804 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:34.719 was part of the depopulation agenda UM, and and that that expresses itself not 805 01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:40.679 just in the people who've actually been killed by these things, whether through through 806 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:45.920 my heart trouble or blood plots, but also in the effects that they had 807 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:50.519 on pregnant women. I know loads and loads of of of of well I 808 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:54.800 know, I don't want to give the details, but I know people who 809 01:07:54.840 --> 01:08:00.039 work in fertility clinics who've reported that that UM women who are trying to get 810 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:04.119 pregnant or having real trouble getting pregnant, and this is this is unprecedented. 811 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:08.960 So I don't think they work on just the level of killing everyone who takes 812 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.880 them. That would be implausible because well I would never have argued that, 813 01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:15.439 because people would notice. They're much more subtle than that. So partly it's 814 01:08:15.439 --> 01:08:20.640 about sterilization. Partly it's about long term toxicity, damage to the immune system. 815 01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:25.600 Sometimes it's immediate. That's how it works. Yes, they are part 816 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:29.279 of a deepopergenda, but population agenda. We're never going to agree on this, 817 01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:31.399 but I don't think that it's a very strong point to say not enough 818 01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:35.000 people died, therefore you're wrong. Okay, Well, we'll just have to 819 01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:40.720 agree to disagree about that, but just to clarify, I'm are you having 820 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:45.359 the last word? Well yeah, well you keep trying to mischaracterize my position. 821 01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:48.479 I feel obliged to all right, I won't bother James. Let's move 822 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:55.640 on to corner after after we've had one more break for another ad. This 823 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:59.760 is Stephen Hayward of the power Line Blog and the power Line Show on Ricochet, 824 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.239 inviting you to tune in each weekend to our three Whiskey Happy Hour, 825 01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:09.760 where John, you and I, along with the pseudonymous Lucretia power Lines International 826 01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:14.680 Woman of Mystery, breakdown the week's top stories and continue our long running arguments 827 01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:17.920 about first principles and also critique the best whiskey is available in the world. 828 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:23.960 That's power Lines three Whiskey Happy Hour, hosted by Ricochet and found on all 829 01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:32.039 of your favorite podcast platforms, said James, I've got a film to recommend 830 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:41.279 for you called um They Cloned Tyrone. Have you heard about this? No? 831 01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:45.239 So it's It's It's It's I think it's a film made by a first 832 01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:53.720 time African American filmmaker. It's just been released on Netflix's UM. It stars 833 01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:58.920 Jamie Fox, and that was the kind of this weird kind of conspiracy theory 834 01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.880 about how Jamie Folks died and been cloned. But coincidentally, he's just been 835 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:08.640 in a film about clones called They Cloned Tyrone. But you'll like it. 836 01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:12.359 It's kind of like a kind of it's like a cross between a kind of 837 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:19.000 pastiche slash homage to the blaxploitation genre and they live the kind of classic John 838 01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:26.680 Carpenter conspiracy minded film. So it's about this black community called the Glen. 839 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:30.439 It doesn't actually specify where in America it is. And beneath the Glen there 840 01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:39.000 is this kind of rabbit warren of laboratories where these white scientists are carrying out 841 01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:45.279 experiments on the black population who live on the surface, and they're trying to 842 01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:51.800 control

their minds through things like hair straightening products and fried chicken. And they're 843 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:58.720 doing it supposedly with some kind of benign intention of making America a more peaceful 844 01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:04.159 place and reducing violent crime. But you know that that that they're ok that 845 01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:10.479 their their overarching agenda seems to be to kind of commit genocide against the black 846 01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:14.439 race, but over a number of generations. But but but it's so it's 847 01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:20.000 a kind of conspiracy thriller, conspiracy theories, sci fi thriller. But quite 848 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:24.159 up your alley. I mean, I think it has kind of woke components 849 01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:28.319 and kind of clearly some of it is informed by the kind of black power 850 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:33.479 black panther agenda, depicting kind of white people as intent on the destruction of 851 01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:39.840 kind of African Americans, and also the depiction of kind of African American popular 852 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:43.800 culture music, as well as hairs trating products and fried chicken and grape juice, 853 01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:50.279 all depicted as kind of devices used to control and suppress a population that 854 01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:56.520 would otherwise be rebelling against their kind of against socioeconomic injustice. But anyway, 855 01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:00.000 it's quite up your alley. It's quite well done. I quite. It's 856 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.279 a little bit it's a little bit long, and it's a little bit rambling 857 01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:05.159 in points, and some of the dialogue is very quick, so it's possible 858 01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:10.159 to miss some of the jokes, but for the most part it's actually pretty 859 01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:14.479 entertaining, pretty good. Okay, right, someone orders, then is again 860 01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:20.600 they cloned tyrone? They cloned tyrone? Okay, Well that's is it? 861 01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:27.199 Okay? Yeah, I watched that, um I but the anything I've watched 862 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:33.920 is an Indian series called Cora. Um. I didn't mention that last week, 863 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:39.159 did I? No? No? No? Okay, So you know 864 01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:46.560 how English and actually American crime series are now pretty much unwatchable because you know 865 01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:49.680 that the crimes are going to be solved by somebody who is black and or 866 01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:54.199 female, and that the killer is always going to be white, middle class 867 01:12:54.279 --> 01:13:01.479 male, and that the police never paint their police car um in rainbow colors 868 01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:08.720 or arrest people for Herty tweets on Twitter. Um. So the world it 869 01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:14.520 depicts is implausible and you know now how it's going to end. Um. 870 01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:20.840 But in India, or at least judging by this series Cora, they still 871 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:29.960 have Sweeney style policing and unreconstructed um characters in the in the in the police 872 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:34.840 just beating up suspects and not taking any nonsense. They always assume that everyone's 873 01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:38.840 lying to them as they as they are. I mean, there's clearly a 874 01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:43.600 high level of mistrust of the police, distrust of the police in the Punjab 875 01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:48.560 and anyway, it's a sort of murder mystery. But as often with these 876 01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:55.359 with these TV series, these foreign TV series, that what's really interesting about 877 01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:59.920 them isn't so much the plot. It's just all the glimpses you get into 878 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:04.479 a completely alien culture. So I was salivating over the over the samosa that 879 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:11.399 the guy had in his in his police station, really really crispy, and 880 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:15.479 and and the endless glasses of chai that gets brought to them, and their 881 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.840 approach to crime solving. So that so they turn up on the scene of 882 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:24.640 crime and it's it starts off no spoilers here with them with a body being 883 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:30.640 found in in rural in the rural Punjab, and their first reaction is to 884 01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:34.840 beat up the guy who found the body and accused him of being a liar. 885 01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:40.600 And then they round up all the local drug addicts and strip them down 886 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:44.840 to their underwear and beat them with sticks, trying to get a confession out 887 01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:49.399 of them. And you're you're not quite sure at first what what your position 888 01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:54.159 is meant to be on these these you know, on the on the I 889 01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:56.920 don't know where his rank is, is your police sergeant in his sidekick? 890 01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:00.279 What you what? How you're meant to feel towards these characters. Are are 891 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:04.600 these indications that these are bad guys? Or is this just routine policing? 892 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:09.600 And it becomes clear this is just routine policing. This is just right anyway, 893 01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:15.960 please, it's it's it's entertaining and and different. And what's it called? 894 01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:21.079 Cora k O h R R A. I think it is? Okay? 895 01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:26.000 And what's it? Is it on Netflix? On Netflix? Okay? 896 01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:31.039 Yeah, I've also I've also watched the new Taylor Taylor Hackford series. Is 897 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:33.840 it Taylor Hackford? Maybe? No, No, it's not. It's um 898 01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:40.479 what's the name of the guy who did Mr Taylor Sheridan? So, so 899 01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:45.119 the new Taylor Sheridan series on Paramount Plus. He just seems to work exclusively 900 01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:48.159 for Paramount Plus, which is part of the way I subscribe to Paramount Plus. 901 01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:51.840 Um, yeah, the UK parent I mean, but you can get 902 01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:56.800 all his series on UK Paramount Plus anywhere. The new one is called Lioness 903 01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:00.600 and it stars Zoe Salvi Dina. Is that how you pronounce her name? 904 01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:05.920 I wouldn't know. She's in she's the love interest in Guardians of the Galaxy. 905 01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:11.479 Um anyway, so she's green in Guardians to the Galaxy. She's not 906 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:15.039 green in this, but it's it's about this kind of she plays a kind 907 01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:23.279 of CIA agent um officer rather, and she kind of cut sheet sheet. 908 01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:30.359 She runs an agent who goes undercover to try and get close to a Middle 909 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:34.720 Eastern terrorist mastermind so the CIA can take him out. But it's it's very 910 01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:39.760 well done, it's very entertaining. It's a bit it's quite similar to Tehran. 911 01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:45.439 And if you saw that series on Apple TV Plus called Tehran about Mossad 912 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:49.159 running an agent in Iran and she was undercover and trying to get close to 913 01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:55.840 the Defense minister. So anyway that it's it's similar ish to that, but 914 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:59.640 it's it's very good. So yeah, I'm a massive fan of Taylor Sheridan. 915 01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:02.640 Even got remember's name. Um okay, uh yeah, I thought it 916 01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:05.159 out because that could be that could be a thing to review. So I'll 917 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:08.880 see you next week. Okay, all right, when I'm out a book 918 01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:11.560 to holiday by, then I can tell you about it. Okay, good, 919 01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:13.920 all right, okay, good all right, okay, good bye. 920 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:34.880 This is London. Fully Ricochet join the conversation.