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Coffee with Kaylee Marine.
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Let's increase our learning and obtain wise counsel.
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Grab your coffee and let's get started.
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Oh, do you hear that?
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That's wisdom calling.
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Let's answer that call.
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Welcome back to Coffee with Kaylee Marine.
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As we wrap up our conversation with Hollywoods, we're diving into Proverbs 2, 11 through 22.
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Well, I think I guess we should go ahead and start with the next section.
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So um, but I'm gonna go back to actually verse 11 because I think it kind of goes out verse 12.
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Discretion will watch over you, discernment will guard you, to deliver you from the way of the e of evil, from speaking, from those speaking perverse things, who leave the straight paths to walk in ways of darkness, who rejoice in doing wrong, and delight in the perversity of evil, whose paths are crooked and are devious in their ways, to deliver you from a seducing woman, a wayward wife with seductive words, whoever forsakes the partner of her youth and forgets the covenant of her God, for her house sinks down to death, and her tracks to the dead, none who go to her return, nor reach the path of life.
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So you will walk in the way of good men and keep to the paths of the righteous, for the upright will dwell in the land, and the blameless will remain in it, but the wicked will be cut off from the land, and the treacherous uprooted from it.
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But yeah, no, this and then you know, this whole section on the seeking the treasures of wisdom, you know, it's like if you do this, here are these nice things, just want you to know, with every action, there is a consequence.
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Uh, some people would say punishment, but sometimes um consequence can be a good thing, uh, meaning it is what was was the result of the action, okay?
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And it's still considered a consequence, even if it's positive, um, at least in some behavioral uh psychology.
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And so you get the positives when you seek the wisdom.
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But then we also have to have.
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Now, here's what happens when you don't do these things.
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Um, but these are the things that Adonai is telling us, these are evil, perverse things.
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That the things that we should, if we have discernment and discretion, will stay away from, right?
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Um now the nice thing is, is when discretion watches over us and discernment guards us, it delivers us from these things.
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So these things, a lot of there's a lot of prosperity gospel in the church today of, and I grew up with this concept that because we're believers, nothing bad can ever happen to us.
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Because now we're everything good, only good things for from now on.
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And if bad things are happening to you, that means you're a sinner and you've done something wrong.
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Now, I'm not saying that that's not possible, but these things are here.
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We live in the world.
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Yeshua hasn't come back yet, so this place still has the adversary, we still have um the world around us, and and scripture is very clear that we are to be set apart, we're not to be like the world, and but what we live in the world, so these things may happen.
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But then he says that if these things happen, I'm gonna protect you, I'm gonna guard you, I'm gonna, we're gonna move around this, and we're gonna do something different because we can let these things destroy us, we can let these things shape us as believers, and I know because I have been there.
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I have had um uh a first marriage that didn't go the way that I had planned, um, that I had to flee.
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Um and I did.
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I let that I let that affect me in a negative way, instead of just again, understanding the wisdom of it.
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And I'm not saying that I'm grateful that those things happened to me, but now that I sit here at 40, I can look back at 20 and see what happened and why, and I can say, the Lord was teaching me lessons even then, and I don't sit there and go, Oh, poor me, poor me, I lived this bad experience.
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I can now help other people who have been in this experience.
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I look at that as wisdom, being able to take the experiences that I have and then therefore lift others up and say, I've been where you are.
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Don't go into the world and think that there's answers for you there.
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Come with me.
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Let's go disciple them and help them through it.
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Um, I've been in some bad places and done some things that I'm not very proud of.
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And his voice was in my ear all along, but I chose not to listen.
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But then there was a path outside of it, and I finally took that path.
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And it was like it a lot of people will think, okay, so I've done something bad, that means there's no way out now.
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Um, I had the way out, the Lord told me, and I didn't listen.
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But he's always there protecting us and waiting for us to kind of come to me.
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Yeah, and pay attention.
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And and and then the miracle is that even though we've done this and we go, oh my gosh, what is wrong with me?
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When you finally get in your what I consider your right mind, then he's like, Are you are you listening now?
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Are you okay, good, good, good, good.
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Now, let's go.
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Let's get out of this.
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Let's go.
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And and you can change, you can change it.
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Um, and even when it is happening, and you I mean, people deal with this all the time.
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Um that they're talking about seducing woman, a wayward wife.
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You know, you're in the midst of it.
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Um you just pray, you just keep praying through it, and God will either one of two things is gonna happen.
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He's either gonna get you out of it and save you, or he's gonna have to change them.
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You know, but he never leaves us, he delivers us.
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I mean, it's it's interesting too when you look at this sentence because it's it's very long.
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It's a lot of commas here, okay?
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To deliver you, okay?
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That verb, deliver you.
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That's the that is the sentence that tells what he's gonna do.
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Everything else is what everybody else is doing, and it repeats to deliver you from a seducing woman.
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So it just repeats itself.
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He's gonna deliver you from evil, deliver you from perverse things, deliver you from those who leave the straight path, deliver you for those who walk in ways of darkness.
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You know.
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That's what he does.
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He is a deliverer.
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Yes, and I think I mean going probably to something you said earlier is you go through you maybe you've made the wrong choice.
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Right.
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Even as a believer, even as a believer, you've made a stupid decision, and so you ask for forgiveness, which is a step in the process, absolutely, and then repentance, which means you turn around and you don't go do the thing again.
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Yes, exactly.
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Right.
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Teshuva literally means 180 degrees.
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So, like if you look at a line, you know, you if you were lying, if you were a liar, what's the opposite of lying?
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Telling the truth, don't lie anymore.
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It's it seems, and I've I've experienced this unfortunately with my very troubled stepchildren, that they did these things and I said, We need to stop doing them.
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Oh, I don't know how.
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Okay, to me, this is very simple.
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If if if I shot you with a gun, what's the opposite?
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Don't shoot people.
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Don't shoot people, right?
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Just don't do that thing.
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Um, if you've been a blasphemer, just stop blaspheming.
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You know, there are some things that I think are hard.
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Um but there are some things that just and one step at a time, obviously.
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If you've got a lot of, if it if you if you're a heavy sinner, you've got a lot of problems.
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And God is a good, good father.
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He will show you one thing at a time.
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Thankfully, he doesn't show us everything.
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We don't get wise, we don't get fire hose, thankfully.
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I mean, there's usually it's just it's like um the the spiritual equivalent of like an AA meeting.
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One step at a time.
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You you you have a problem, you work through it, and then okay, let's let's go to the next thing because the next thing will be revealed that you may not have even have noticed that came from what you were doing.
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Um but that I I always that's one of the very first lessons we learned when we began to walk this walk was teshuva.
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Teshuva means to literally go 180 degrees.
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You repent and then you just stop.
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You just stop doing it.
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Now, are we perfect?
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No, but we still have to walk sometimes through the consequences.
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Yeah.
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And just know that just because you said I'm sorry doesn't mean God's gonna be like, okay, I'm not gonna give you any consequences.
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I mean, as a teacher, I remember that from kids in school that um, okay, kid decides, I'm gonna tell the truth that I stole something, right?
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Yeah, I took the piece of candy and I ate it.
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And um, you know, you you you try very hard not to be angry with the child, you do all the nice things that they the hot button topics these days, which is a whole other thing that I have, but either way, um, and the kid, especially young children, uh, expect that when they told the truth, that you're you're just everything's fine.
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Oh, good, because you told the truth, and my mother even did this to me a few times.
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Well,
because you told the truth, you won't get in trouble now.
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And I just have a problem with that though, because yes, and sometimes I think that's that's grace and mercy, and sometimes we have to enact that, but there is consequences.
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Um, if you lie about certain things, some serious legal things could happen to you.
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Oh, yes.
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And you think that a judge or a lawyer, you just said, hey, I'm really sorry, that this is the law, this is how it's supposed to be.
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If you um, you know, steal something, and as adults, it's no longer like a piece of candy at this point.
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We're stealing big things.
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Big things.
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Um, and you just go, hey, look, I'm sorry.
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They're not gonna want their stuff back or the money that you took.
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I mean, consequences are healthy, it shapes us.
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And and Adodino's this.
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I mean, we look at, I mean, this could be a whole other podcast talking about consequences and how it shaped those people, Adam and Eve, that led them to do what they did with their children and Cain and Abel, which led to a whole other group of people over.
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You know, consequences are healthy.
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We're supposed to have them because they shape us.
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But just know that if you're walking through the consequences, it's because you did something wrong.
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You have begun on that straight path, you're back on the path, but you still have to walk.
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It's not God's gonna erase the consequences.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I mean, take your I always say, take your licks, fix your face, yeah, fix your face, and and just say, Okay, alright, I I got you.
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I know why this is happening, and I'm I'm feeling I'm feeling you, Lord.
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Um, and you and you just go from there and you say, Okay.
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And I go, what are you gonna do when the next time you have a consequence?
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Because sorry to tell you this kid, you're gonna get another one.
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I mean, you're five.
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All right, you've got an entire lifetime of consequences.
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Um, then you've got the kid that I mean, I remember these students that I just used to just praise and glow about because you gave them their consequence and they go, okay, I guess I deserved it because I did this.
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Alright.
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I won't do it again.
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And I mean, kids
say these things, but then they also just they just move on.
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They just, they just they take their licks and they go, alright, you're right, I did this, and they move on.
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I think I think we just have to get there.
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We just have to be okay with I made a mistake, and okay, I'm gonna do better next time.
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Yeah, we don't have to torture ourselves about it, you know.
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It's it we feel bad, we we reflect, and do I have perfect days where I just think I'm just so wonderful, and I never do anything wrong.
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No, there are times when I have that what I consider an existential crisis of I've done so many bad things and I've not always lived my life right.
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And um, one of my reasons for this walk was I felt like I I owed it to the Lord to honor his midsfolk because I have done so many bad things.
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That does that does that offer me a greater place in heaven than you?
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No, no, but I want to because I love him so much and appreciate everything he gave me.
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That I want to do, I want to be front row seat, teacher's pet to the Lord.
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Right because I want to do the just the most perfect of perfectest for him because he is our ultimate teacher, and and and and I think that maturity, even as a young child, you can have it of saying, okay, I messed up, I'm gonna take Malik's, I'm gonna move on.
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And and you're gonna have days where you reflect on those things, but but but let's let's move forward.
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Teshuva says 180 degrees, but you don't stay there.
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You go walking in the other direction.
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If you think of uh for our math people out there, lines, okay, rays.
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Uh lines go on forever, okay.
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Uh it's the one with the two pointy ends for for real math people on a linear plane, and line goes on forever and it never stops.
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Um, when you're going through this repentance and test you have a process, you turn, you're a liar, okay?
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That line will take you forever.
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You will keep lying and lying and lying and lying, and you think, oh, well, one day I'll just stop, I'll level up.
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It doesn't.
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You have to make the conscious decision to turn around and go the other way and repent for it.
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But then that line goes on forever.
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If you keep walking in that direction, you'll keep doing it and keep doing it.
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Does that mean you don't falter and go back the other way?
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But look, if you're at point A in the middle of that line, and point B, again, for my my wonderful math people out there, is like negative 12.
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And you go to negative six, oh, I backtracked.
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Hey, but you're still on the other side of that that zero, so just keep going.
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You know, it's okay, it's gonna be alright.
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Well, thank you so much, Holly.
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This has been um a very full conversation for sure.
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And um, so the last question I ask is, how do you like your coffee?
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Oh, um, even though we're drinking tea today.
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Yes, we are drinking tea today.
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I I had two cups this morning, and I thought, I'll just bring her a nice herbal cup of tea.
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It's called Heart's Ease, uh, cardioprotective, helps with uh spasms and stuff.
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And um, I do like my coffee, like I always say, like I like my husband, my men, really white and really sweet because I like a lot of a lot of cream in it.
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Um, I can live without sugar in my coffee.
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I learned this on a cruise.
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I like um, you know, real cream, not milk, because that waters it down.
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Um I don't mind if it's foamed milk, but I get a little fussy with it.
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But I can live without it being sugary, and I was really shocked by that because I do like my flavored creamers.
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I guess I'm bougie flavored creamers, strawberry, chop-colored chocolates and all this weird stuff.
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Oh, yeah.
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But that's how I like my coffee and a nice big old honking cup of it.
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But can't get cold because then we gotta microwave it.
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Well, thank you so much, Holly.
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It's been an absolute pleasure, and I hope you'll come back again one day.
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This is uh it is my honor and a privilege to be here that you would even ask me that uh some little little old me gets to talk about scripture when I'm just the normal Jacomo.
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That's a wrap for today on Coffee with Kaylee Marie.
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Hollywoods, thank you for such a meaningful conversation.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts on this discussion.
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Don't forget to leave a comment.
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Thanks for listening to Coffee with Kaylee Marie.
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Until next time, shall I?