บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Wicker Dick

did record the first half of the 00:01:31.213 --> 00:01:33.164 episode But did we record the second half? 00:01:33.174 --> 00:01:34.137 We did not. 00:01:34.137 --> 00:01:34.614 We did not. 00:01:34.623 --> 00:01:38.873 So we're gonna consider that, like, eventually way down the line we'll release the lost episodes or some shit. 00:01:38.894 --> 00:01:40.433 That's a great idea, actually. 00:01:40.433 --> 00:01:42.284 I, I love that idea. 00:01:42.433 --> 00:01:43.174 And you'll get to hear the audio from your pre-tattoo session. 00:01:45.516 --> 00:01:48.796 Guys, that ass tattoo was worse than childbirth. 00:01:49.206 --> 00:01:50.016 Was way worse. 00:01:50.715 --> 00:01:52.775 You know what didn't happen during childbirth? 00:01:52.816 --> 00:01:54.195 Six hours of pain. 00:01:54.355 --> 00:01:57.546 You know what happened during a six-hour ass tattoo? 00:01:58.025 --> 00:01:59.506 Six hours of pain. 00:01:59.516 --> 00:02:01.646 Did your vagina rip during your tattoo? 00:02:01.725 --> 00:02:03.385 I would rather it had. 00:02:03.536 --> 00:02:03.816 Oh. 00:02:03.965 --> 00:02:09.006 This ass tattoo was the worst experience I've ever had in my entire life. 00:02:09.336 --> 00:02:12.295 I- it's your experience, not mine, so you speak on it as you will. 00:02:12.866 --> 00:02:13.425 Bro. 00:02:14.336 --> 00:02:15.256 Did you just bro me? 00:02:16.376 --> 00:02:17.135 Bro. 00:02:17.675 --> 00:02:20.276 That was excruciating. 00:02:20.475 --> 00:02:24.925 From the first line she drew, I knew I was fucked. 00:02:25.295 --> 00:02:25.665 Yeah. 00:02:25.816 --> 00:02:26.073 You, I 00:02:26.073 --> 00:02:26.966 mean- From the first line 00:02:27.036 --> 00:02:28.665 both cheeks, what it three hours a cheek? 00:02:28.906 --> 00:02:30.425 It was three hours per cheek. 00:02:30.436 --> 00:02:30.466 Okay. 00:02:30.795 --> 00:02:32.355 And, like, I got big cheeks. 00:02:33.096 --> 00:02:34.015 Her ability to tat- 00:02:34.015 --> 00:02:34.936 Not denying that. 00:02:35.385 --> 00:02:43.376 Her ability to tattoo that much of a surface area in a short period of time was, like, all applause to her. 00:02:43.376 --> 00:02:43.395 Do 00:02:43.395 --> 00:02:45.545 you think she saw your ass and was like,"Fuck"? 00:02:45.725 --> 00:02:48.415 Yeah, because when she first drew up the design- 00:02:48.415 --> 00:02:49.135 It w- 00:02:49.135 --> 00:02:51.626 I go,"How many of those designs are going on my ass? 00:02:51.626 --> 00:02:52.985 Because that won't fit." 00:02:53.705 --> 00:02:56.575 Ad- admittedly, like, we got the, like, kind of the picture with the design- 00:02:56.656 --> 00:02:57.056 Yeah 00:02:57.355 --> 00:03:02.425 placed over it, and we were both going,"This is a very small build for what's being done here today." 00:03:02.665 --> 00:03:03.786 That it will not fit. 00:03:04.026 --> 00:03:17.015 And then she, she, like, printed out a design, and I was like,"Yeah, that's not gonna fit." And then she printed out a bigger design, and I remember taking a

picture of it and sending it to my friends and being like,"Guys, look how massive this is. 00:03:17.026 --> 00:03:23.406 There's no way this is gonna fit." And then you and I go to the bathroom, and you're like,"Oh, no, this fits perfectly." Exactly. 00:03:23.406 --> 00:03:25.116 And I was like,"Holy shit. 00:03:25.145 --> 00:03:28.675 All right." But yes, guys, the, the worst pain of my freaking life. 00:03:28.906 --> 00:03:30.276 Huge shout-out to the artist. 00:03:30.276 --> 00:03:32.336 She did an absolute amazing job. 00:03:32.596 --> 00:03:38.975 But we did pre-record an episode, and we had every, like, intentions of recording something after. 00:03:39.376 --> 00:03:39.816 And- 00:03:39.816 --> 00:03:41.286 You weren't recording shit after that 00:03:42.075 --> 00:03:44.515 I, like, I think I went home and, like, cried. 00:03:44.515 --> 00:03:45.895 You cried- I was in so much 00:03:45.895 --> 00:03:47.945 pain you cried the entire tattoo. 00:03:47.985 --> 00:03:48.626 No. 00:03:48.626 --> 00:03:48.737 No. 00:03:48.737 --> 00:03:52.355 You- I cried in the last, like, hour I thought- That was 00:03:52.475 --> 00:03:52.806 the worst pain I've ever been in. 00:03:52.806 --> 00:03:52.816 Yeah. 00:03:52.816 --> 00:03:56.605 It was one of those ones where, I mean, we've both been tattooed since we were 18 years old. 00:03:56.686 --> 00:03:57.006 Yeah. 00:03:57.695 --> 00:03:59.675 Plenty of tattoos over many, many years. 00:03:59.825 --> 00:04:00.596 And areas. 00:04:00.596 --> 00:04:05.496 And this- Plenty of areas this is, this is the worst I've seen you react. 00:04:06.075 --> 00:04:06.276 To a tattoo. 00:04:06.276 --> 00:04:10.156 And it has nothing to do with artist skill or anything like that. 00:04:10.156 --> 00:04:10.515 No. 00:04:10.705 --> 00:04:13.406 It had everything to do with just it was in a shitty spot. 00:04:13.485 --> 00:04:14.056 Literally. 00:04:18.132 --> 00:04:18.682 You proud of yourself? 00:04:19.351 --> 00:04:20.192 Are you happy with yourself? 00:04:20.192 --> 00:04:20.322 I 00:04:20.661 --> 00:04:21.151 am. 00:04:21.812 --> 00:04:30.091 But anyways, guys, yeah, so I do think one day we need to release that little snippet of a pre-episode, which is actually gonna bring us into a lot of what we are gonna talk about today. 00:04:30.141 --> 00:04:30.341 Yeah. 00:04:30.372 --> 00:04:39.502 Because we really didn't get to finish that episode, so we're gonna, like, dial back, we're gonna re-discuss, um, what it was that was in that show that we just weren't able to release. 00:04:39.531 --> 00:04:42.002 Yeah, the first thing we talked about in that was Wicker Dick. 00:04:42.182 --> 00:04:42.862 Wicker Dick was the first- That 00:04:42.862 --> 00:04:45.252 was what we were gonna title the whole episode, was Wicker Dick. 00:04:45.271 --> 00:04:46.992 I still think it can be Wicker Dick. 00:04:46.992 --> 00:04:50.081 This is a great topic of discussion, truly. 00:04:50.081 --> 00:04:52.591 This is, this is, I mean, you're talking heavy in pop culture. 00:04:52.601 --> 00:05:00.622 Everyone's talking about it, especially all the book girlies are really talking about the new movie coming out in the next month or so, Wicker. 00:05:01.031 --> 00:05:01.312 Yeah. 00:05:01.312 --> 00:05:01.692 This- Right? 00:05:01.692 --> 00:05:03.341 So what do you know about Wicker, Carrie? 00:05:03.651 --> 00:05:05.622 Um, I know it is a Skarsgård. 00:05:05.622 --> 00:05:05.817 It 00:05:05.817 --> 00:05:06.012 is. 00:05:06.012 --> 00:05:06.322 It is. 00:05:06.661 --> 00:05:07.791 It is a Skarsgård. 00:05:07.862 --> 00:05:08.161 It is. 00:05:08.182 --> 00:05:10.492 One of the stars is Alex- Alexander Skarsgård. 00:05:10.541 --> 00:05:10.701 He 00:05:10.701 --> 00:05:13.281 is the first Skarsgård that I knew of. 00:05:13.291 --> 00:05:13.312 Yeah. 00:05:13.601 --> 00:05:14.482 From True Blood. 00:05:14.482 --> 00:05:14.812 From True... 00:05:14.851 --> 00:05:15.492 Eric Northman. 00:05:15.512 --> 00:05:16.521 Oh my God. 00:05:16.521 --> 00:05:17.862 I had- The owner- I saw this man. 00:05:18.062 --> 00:05:18.331 I... 00:05:18.401 --> 00:05:22.692 First of all, that show does not portray that man as tall as he really is. 00:05:22.692 --> 00:05:24.932 The owner and operator of Fangtasia- 00:05:25.271 --> 00:05:25.432 Oh 00:05:25.432 --> 00:05:26.012 my God, yeah. 00:05:26.012 --> 00:05:26.428 You're right in True Blood. 00:05:26.428 --> 00:05:27.562 Oh, I was a huge True Blood fan. 00:05:27.562 --> 00:05:27.661 I 00:05:27.661 --> 00:05:27.802 know. 00:05:27.841 --> 00:05:30.291 You sh- you were the one that turned me on to True Blood. 00:05:30.341 --> 00:05:31.982 I loved that show. 00:05:31.982 --> 00:05:32.271 That's what... 00:05:32.271 --> 00:05:34.812 Lafayette is my favorite character of, like, all time. 00:05:34.812 --> 00:05:34.992 I 00:05:34.992 --> 00:05:35.932 love Lafayette. 00:05:35.982 --> 00:05:37.362 I love Lafayette. 00:05:37.372 --> 00:05:39.031 Anyways, let's not get sidetracked. 00:05:39.031 --> 00:05:39.791 No, we're not gonna get sidetracked. 00:05:39.841 --> 00:05:43.432 I did not realize, one, again, how tall that man was in real life. 00:05:43.432 --> 00:05:44.891 They did not depict him- Really? 00:05:44.901 --> 00:05:45.781 as tall as he is on the- He's 00:05:45.781 --> 00:05:46.781 on a throne. 00:05:46.882 --> 00:05:47.971 Yeah, he's sitting. 00:05:48.771 --> 00:05:49.391 Sitting. 00:05:50.031 --> 00:05:50.971 Secondly- 00:05:51.132 --> 00:05:53.271 I mean, I guess him next to, like, Anna Paquin was not- 00:05:53.322 --> 00:05:53.841 Right? 00:05:53.841 --> 00:05:54.302 gonna say a lot. 00:05:54.302 --> 00:05:54.601 But... 00:05:54.822 --> 00:05:55.762 Yeah, she's teensy. 00:05:55.762 --> 00:06:01.951 But anyways that was my first, like,"Oh my God, who is this person?" But when the first what do you call it? 00:06:01.951 --> 00:06:04.951 Like, the movie picture or the, that, that you see- Trailer? 00:06:04.982 --> 00:06:05.002 The... 00:06:05.031 -->

00:06:07.422 No, not the, not the video of it, but, like, the poster. 00:06:07.471 --> 00:06:07.872 Okay. 00:06:08.141 --> 00:06:09.041 And it's him. 00:06:09.192 --> 00:06:09.331 Yeah. 00:06:09.372 --> 00:06:13.822 And I was like,"I don't even know what the fuck this is, and I immediately wanna see it." 00:06:13.831 --> 00:06:14.442 For Wicker? 00:06:14.492 --> 00:06:15.512 Yeah, for Wicker. 00:06:15.521 --> 00:06:15.552 Okay. 00:06:15.562 --> 00:06:15.822 Whenever 00:06:15.822 --> 00:06:16.165 it shows, like- I'm sorry. 00:06:16.165 --> 00:06:16.922 I should've been more specific. 00:06:16.922 --> 00:06:17.091 Yes 00:06:17.091 --> 00:06:18.112 whenever it shows his face, 00:06:18.322 --> 00:06:19.122 like- It just shows him 00:06:19.291 --> 00:06:19.432 and 00:06:19.612 --> 00:06:19.970 the basket- That, yeah and 00:06:19.970 --> 00:06:20.692 the wick and all that? 00:06:21.081 --> 00:06:22.132 Wicker basket. 00:06:22.141 --> 00:06:22.161 Yeah. 00:06:22.752 --> 00:06:23.612 Skarsgård basket. 00:06:23.922 --> 00:06:26.281 I immediately was like,"I don't know what this is. 00:06:26.322 --> 00:06:27.151 I wanna see it." 00:06:27.382 --> 00:06:29.362 And he's not even, like, the main star of the movie. 00:06:29.742 --> 00:06:34.112 Well, no, and the more that I got to know about it, I actually really like that honestly. 00:06:34.112 --> 00:06:36.242 I really like that it's more about this woman. 00:06:36.632 --> 00:06:37.432 Um, and- 00:06:37.432 --> 00:06:37.721 Olivia Colman. 00:06:38.221 --> 00:06:38.721 I'm sorry? 00:06:38.791 --> 00:06:39.771 Olivia Colman, the actress. 00:06:39.771 --> 00:06:45.682 That actress, by the way, the first time I saw her was in, um, Doctor Who. 00:06:45.942 --> 00:06:47.141 That was the first time you saw her? 00:06:47.291 --> 00:06:53.512 That was the first time I saw her- Okay with Matt Smith- Yeah and it was the episode where they, like, had the fangs, and they turn into these, like, fish frog things. 00:06:53.632 --> 00:06:54.151 Fish frog. 00:06:56.939 --> 00:06:57.339 Okay. 00:06:57.550 --> 00:06:58.399 I'm just telling you. 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:00.100 You know we both are thinking of South Park right now. 00:07:00.100 --> 00:07:00.490 We are. 00:07:00.490 --> 00:07:00.839 Go ahead. 00:07:00.850 --> 00:07:03.899 But I love this actress. 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:04.180 Yeah. 00:07:04.189 --> 00:07:08.540 So for the fact that it's her, and then a Skarsgård- Yeah I, I'm s- I'm set. 00:07:08.550 --> 00:07:13.620 See, my first exposure to Olivia Colman was in Extras with Ricky Gervais, which was an early to- 00:07:13.660 --> 00:07:14.199 Extras. 00:07:14.209 --> 00:07:16.560 If you, if you've never seen it, like we'll- No I'll show it to you. 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:18.050 I think it's on HBO actually still. 00:07:18.329 --> 00:07:19.459 Um, it was literally... 00:07:19.490 --> 00:07:23.769 It's a, it's a British show about- Extras um, extras in film- 00:07:24.069 --> 00:07:24.290 Hmm 00:07:24.310 --> 00:07:25.540

who are trying to make it- 00:07:25.670 --> 00:07:26.379 Make it big 00:07:26.459 --> 00:07:26.839 bigger. 00:07:26.910 --> 00:07:27.160 Yeah. 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:32.680 So it's like their shenanigans on set- Hmm as being extras, and so they'll bring in all these big name stars. 00:07:32.689 --> 00:07:34.269 Are they real skits or like fake- 00:07:34.269 --> 00:07:35.670 No, th- this is a full series. 00:07:35.709 --> 00:07:36.449 This is a- Oh, 00:07:36.449 --> 00:07:37.230 it's a full series. 00:07:37.230 --> 00:07:37.329 Yeah. 00:07:37.329 --> 00:07:37.660 Okay. 00:07:37.660 --> 00:07:38.050 Okay. 00:07:38.050 --> 00:07:38.069 Yeah. 00:07:38.100 --> 00:07:40.790 And it was a great show, but that was my first exposure to her- 00:07:40.850 --> 00:07:41.189 Got it 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.259 was alongside Ricky Gervais, uh, in- Oh in Extras. 00:07:44.259 --> 00:07:45.060 Okay, interesting. 00:07:45.149 --> 00:07:45.610 So I've been... 00:07:45.610 --> 00:07:53.490 I've l- I've loved her for a long time, so seeing her and Alexander Skarsgård together, and especially in this like romance fantasy. 00:07:54.189 --> 00:07:57.529 So you actually dove in a little bit to the author. 00:07:57.550 --> 00:07:57.730 Yeah. 00:07:57.759 --> 00:07:58.610 Let's talk about that. 00:07:58.670 --> 00:08:01.050 I, I, I very baseline, so the, 00:08:01.220 --> 00:08:03.110 if I- Well, yeah, but- I don't know shit- there's not a whole lot out there I 00:08:03.110 --> 00:08:04.430 don't know shit about this author. 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:05.399 I know her name. 00:08:05.889 --> 00:08:07.180 I'm- I meant the behind the story. 00:08:07.189 --> 00:08:07.600 You're right. 00:08:07.629 --> 00:08:07.819 I'm sorry. 00:08:07.829 --> 00:08:08.540 So yeah. 00:08:08.660 --> 00:08:08.870 All right. 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:18.810 So originally this was a book called Wicker Husband, like The Wicker Husband, 14 page short story, next to nothing, written by Ursula Willis-Jones. 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:21.509 So she writes that back in 2011. 00:08:21.529 --> 00:08:23.620 It ends up winning a, uh... 00:08:23.629 --> 00:08:28.149 It was, so it was published in 2011 as part of the National Short Story Prize anthology. 00:08:28.470 --> 00:08:34.340 And now- uh, and then it was actually adapted as a stage musical in the UK, and now it's becoming a film. 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.870 So it's been a couple of, of iterations as- Yeah as it's grown in popularity. 00:08:39.139 --> 00:08:41.080 But she wrote this 14 page short story. 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:43.960 Uh, she had her nominations and all that kind of stuff. 00:08:45.029 --> 00:08:51.889 Once it became so popular and became that they were gonna turn it into a movie- Yeah she did one of the smartest things that you could do. 00:08:52.029 --> 00:08:53.620 Because this was, like, self-published. 00:08:53.710 --> 00:08:55.009 This wasn't through a publisher. 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.690 This wasn't through a big, uh, organization or anything. 00:08:57.929 --> 00:09:03.600 So once it came through this, she did the smart move and she pulled all of her stories from the internet. 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.980 All source code was, like, absolutely removed. 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.419 So if you're gonna find it now, you have to go through, like, a pirating source or something like that to get it. 00:09:11.419 --> 00:09:12.049 Reddit. 00:09:12.129 --> 00:09:14.289 Some deep dive through Reddit or something. 00:09:14.299 --> 00:09:18.440 I'm sure that there's plenty of places- Yeah that if you, you look hard enough, you can find it. 00:09:18.659 --> 00:09:24.980 But for the most part, she has taken it all, all of this, because sh- now she's going through and doing it through an actual publisher. 00:09:25.009 --> 00:09:25.230 Yeah. 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.059 So she can republish the short story. 00:09:27.070 --> 00:09:29.860 Do you think she's gonna, like, lengthen it since it was a short story? 00:09:30.110 --> 00:09:30.980 I have not heard a thing. 00:09:30.980 --> 00:09:31.129 Yeah. 00:09:31.129 --> 00:09:32.159 I haven't looked hard enough into it. 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:32.789 I'm curious about that. 00:09:32.830 --> 00:09:34.019 But I'd be curious to find out. 00:09:34.019 --> 00:09:34.360 Yeah. 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:41.929 But we're also, I mean, the- think the biggest curiosity about this entire thing, that I've seen online at least, is hashtag wicker dick. 00:09:41.990 --> 00:09:43.320 I was about to say, is his dick? 00:09:43.409 --> 00:09:44.480 That is, like, the top of the town. 00:09:44.490 --> 00:09:44.580 I 00:09:44.580 --> 00:09:47.350 wanna know what weaved it's been woved, you know? 00:09:47.370 --> 00:09:51.360 I wanna know what pattern of weaving capabilities they made it. 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:51.779 Why? 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:52.220 Do they... 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:54.129 Because I'm curious now. 00:09:54.389 --> 00:09:58.039 Is it a ridged, weaved, woven of wicker? 00:09:58.039 --> 00:09:58.379 Question 00:09:58.379 --> 00:10:00.080 is, is it the circumcised weaving? 00:10:00.740 --> 00:10:05.549 It would have to be,'cause I can't imagine a wicker functioning- A bastion? 00:10:05.549 --> 00:10:11.419 in a, functioning in a- Like a loose, like a foreskin uncircumcised motion, you know? 00:10:11.419 --> 00:10:11.470 That 00:10:11.470 --> 00:10:11.879 like a foreskin 00:10:11.929 --> 00:10:12.120 kinda movement. 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.809 I feel like that would hurt both parties, really. 00:10:14.809 --> 00:10:14.870 I, I 00:10:14.870 --> 00:10:15.509 don't know. 00:10:15.509 --> 00:10:15.899 I- 00:10:15.899 --> 00:10:16.509 I don't know. 00:10:16.509 --> 00:10:18.330 We're gonna- That, that is why we're gonna go see it. 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:19.600 O- October what? 00:10:19.610 --> 00:10:19.649 Appar- 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:20.529 oh, I have no idea when this comes out. 00:10:20.529 --> 00:10:20.539 I 00:10:20.539 --> 00:10:21.509 don't, I don't

even know it. 00:10:21.539 --> 00:10:21.750 Yeah. 00:10:21.750 --> 00:10:21.879 I have no idea when it comes out. 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:23.019 I just know it comes out in October. 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:28.450 But, uh, one of the big things I was looking at there was that seems to be the big concentration is so many- Oh, 00:10:28.450 --> 00:10:29.409 we wanna see a wicker dick 00:10:29.669 --> 00:10:31.860 so many people out there that are like,"I want the dick." 00:10:31.950 --> 00:10:36.929 First of all, we rarely get to see dick, unless it's comical dick, and we've talked about this in episodes in the past. 00:10:36.980 --> 00:10:44.509 We don't get to s- get to see strong, powerful dick, much less strong, powerful wicker dick. 00:10:44.669 --> 00:10:44.970 Yeah. 00:10:45.309 --> 00:10:45.809 Never have we 00:10:45.990 --> 00:10:46.059 ever. 00:10:46.059 --> 00:10:48.210 Do women deserve strong, powerful dick in the theater? 00:10:48.460 --> 00:10:48.950 Yes. 00:10:49.419 --> 00:10:50.730 That's non-comical? 00:10:50.789 --> 00:10:51.169 Yes. 00:10:51.389 --> 00:10:56.250 N- Yeah like, flaccid and just, like,"Ha ha, there's a penis," that's all we get. 00:10:56.250 --> 00:10:57.779 We don't get ha ha funny tits. 00:10:57.789 --> 00:10:59.850 So f- flaccid dick is comical? 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:00.669 Always. 00:11:00.710 --> 00:11:01.000 Always? 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:01.600 Without- 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:02.169 Always 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:02.779 without exemption? 00:11:02.789 --> 00:11:03.639 Without fails. 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:03.940 Okay. 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:05.799 We will always laugh at u- an- 00:11:05.889 --> 00:11:08.519 So the only serious dick is a hard dick, is that what you're saying? 00:11:08.529 --> 00:11:09.340 Or a wicker dick. 00:11:09.429 --> 00:11:09.889 Or a wicker dick. 00:11:10.649 --> 00:11:14.139 I mean, I feel like, see, that's, I feel like that couldn't get erect. 00:11:14.139 --> 00:11:15.299 It's just gonna be erect all the time. 00:11:15.299 --> 00:11:15.340 Th- 00:11:15.649 --> 00:11:16.919 that, thank you. 00:11:18.259 --> 00:11:19.070 That's the point. 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:24.039 Which we also dove into how they, kind of like how they made the special effects for the movie. 00:11:24.259 --> 00:11:24.600 Yeah. 00:11:24.649 --> 00:11:26.149 Which is, at first we were like, wow, that's 00:11:26.149 --> 00:11:28.090 a l- They should've brought in the actor of O- of Odyssey. 00:11:28.250 --> 00:11:28.820 Which one? 00:11:29.460 --> 00:11:30.120 Oh, I'm so sorry. 00:11:30.129 --> 00:11:31.269 The director of Odyssey. 00:11:31.299 --> 00:11:31.960 I'm so sorry. 00:11:32.019 --> 00:11:32.639 Chris Nolan? 00:11:32.649 --> 00:11:34.169 Let Chris Nolan make this film. 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:36.009 It would be the most realistic. 00:11:38.158 --> 00:11:39.278 That's an actual fucking basket. 00:11:39.278 --> 00:11:39.827 It's an 00:11:39.827 --> 00:11:40.868 actual basket. 00:11:40.868 --> 00:11:42.258 But we're

all excited about it. 00:11:44.268 --> 00:11:44.288 Yeah. 00:11:44.408 --> 00:11:47.597 It also brought us up to kind of having a debate back and forth. 00:11:47.597 --> 00:11:49.177 We won't go into it too much right now. 00:11:49.388 --> 00:12:00.368 But we had a little debate back and forth about the conversion of interest between pornography in books, and this is in a positive light,'cause we always talk about pornography- Yeah in a positive light. 00:12:00.827 --> 00:12:05.168 But pornography in books to shifting to on-screen, and kind of the... 00:12:06.118 --> 00:12:07.307 What's the word I'm looking for here? 00:12:08.878 --> 00:12:09.977 I've seen- Correlation? 00:12:09.998 --> 00:12:10.268 Yeah. 00:12:10.268 --> 00:12:15.807 Well, I've seen a- I don't know lot of people in the past who are like,"Pornography's okay in books, but once it shifts to screen, it's not okay." 00:12:16.128 --> 00:12:16.437 Mm-hmm. 00:12:16.437 --> 00:12:24.707 But now we're seeing this book shift into screen as it is, and now it's being portrayed as okay. 00:12:24.738 --> 00:12:26.898 And you, we, we disagree on this, and that's okay. 00:12:27.008 --> 00:12:27.508 We disagree. 00:12:27.508 --> 00:12:29.638 But one and two. 00:12:29.837 --> 00:12:33.307 One, we have no idea if there's gonna be pornography in this film. 00:12:33.717 --> 00:12:34.347 We have no idea. 00:12:34.427 --> 00:12:37.607 Well, it depends how you define pornography, which is more of a subjective term. 00:12:37.837 --> 00:12:39.988 But we still don't know, because no one has seen it. 00:12:40.097 --> 00:12:40.357 Right. 00:12:40.368 --> 00:12:45.793 Secondly When you read a book and it is... 00:12:46.203 --> 00:12:48.014 I read a lot of those books. 00:12:48.094 --> 00:12:48.884 Yep, me too. 00:12:49.474 --> 00:12:54.984 It is not explicit male or female nudity. 00:12:55.464 --> 00:13:03.354 What we, what women don't like in s- cinema and pornography is exploiting women's bodies. 00:13:03.604 --> 00:13:07.244 But when you read a book, it is for women. 00:13:07.254 --> 00:13:07.264 Mm. 00:13:07.453 --> 00:13:16.214 It is portrayed in a, like, consensual, sexy, he's doing this to me, I'm the receiver mentality. 00:13:16.994 --> 00:13:27.004 So to equate sex in a book to what you see in cinema, I, we, women would love it to actually show what we read in a book. 00:13:27.264 --> 00:13:29.864 Our complaint is that it's not shown in cinema. 00:13:30.033 --> 00:13:31.124 It's not the same thing. 00:13:31.653 --> 00:13:32.474 Is that the complaint? 00:13:32.484 --> 00:13:32.504 Y- 00:13:32.903 --> 00:13:33.744 yes. 00:13:33.813 --> 00:13:34.663 Yeah, I'm a woman. 00:13:34.744 --> 00:13:35.933 Yep, that is the complaint. 00:13:36.024 --> 00:13:37.514 I'm, I agree with you on that. 00:13:38.403 --> 00:13:38.889 Yeah, for sure. 00:13:38.889 --> 00:13:39.134 Yes. 00:13:39.134 --> 00:13:43.673 Because again, in, in cinema or even in pornography, we love porn. 00:13:43.923 --> 00:13:44.153 Mm-hmm. 00:13:44.573 --> 00:13:48.134 But that's also why we watch porn geared towards women. 00:13:48.364 --> 00:13:50.764 Yeah, but I, I mean, you know me- that I agree with that. 00:13:50.844 --> 00:13:51.693 No, I know you do. 00:13:51.933 --> 00:14:08.703 All I'm saying is for this book to be put on film or whatever, first of all, we can't even really discuss this because we haven't seen it yet, but if it was to ex- exploit a wicker dick- 00:14:09.033 --> 00:14:10.634 I'm not talking about exploitation at all 00:14:10.724 --> 00:14:11.484 then what are you talking about? 00:14:11.563 --> 00:14:20.744 So in, in my opinion, whenever I see that somebody that says the difference between showing pornography, and I don't, I don't mean this as exploitation. 00:14:20.754 --> 00:14:21.053 Mm-hmm. 00:14:21.063 --> 00:14:21.313 I... 00:14:21.413 --> 00:14:25.663 Let's say that it's consensual all around, and it's well done and everything else. 00:14:26.683 --> 00:14:40.514 The argument, and this is not everybody, this is a sect of people who will sit back and say that sex in aggressive manners, any way, any way that it is in a book is okay, but once it becomes on screen it's not okay. 00:14:40.734 --> 00:14:44.203 Again, this is not against everybody by any means whatsoever. 00:14:45.063 --> 00:14:50.774 But I have had and I've seen arguments online where it is like,"Oh, no, it's okay because it's in a book. 00:14:51.173 --> 00:14:52.474 It's not okay when it's on screen." 00:14:53.714 --> 00:14:55.553 I think you're talking to the wrong people turning from auditory to visually. 00:14:55.553 --> 00:14:58.313 Then I think you're listening to the wrong people. 00:14:58.754 --> 00:14:59.413 I think that our- I'm saying 00:14:59.413 --> 00:15:00.333 the argument exists 00:15:00.653 --> 00:15:06.094 oh, well, of course it does- And I was curious your input about it but, but the people that have that argument don't listen to our podcast anyways. 00:15:07.443 --> 00:15:15.173 The people that have that argument that say that it's okay to read it but it's not okay to see it, all I'm saying it's not our viewers. 00:15:15.583 --> 00:15:17.094 Those aren't the people that we listen to. 00:15:17.094 --> 00:15:17.139 Okay, well, 00:15:17.139 --> 00:15:17.504 I'm not, I'm just- 00:15:17.514 --> 00:15:18.344 So it's like- 00:15:18.354 --> 00:15:23.433 I'm talking about an argu- I'm literally talking about just an argument and, and discussing it. 00:15:24.083 --> 00:15:24.144 That's it. 00:15:24.714 --> 00:15:28.163 Then I just think it's very unfortunate for those people, you know? 00:15:28.163 --> 00:15:28.333 All right. 00:15:28.333 --> 00:15:30.244 I, I would hate to think that way. 00:15:30.333 --> 00:15:34.244 I feel sorry for someone that thinks that way, that I can read it but can't see it. 00:15:34.844 --> 00:15:37.344 I get your point, I, I promise you, I really do. 00:15:37.604 --> 00:15:50.929 But, like- I, I think the people that are against seeing it but are okay

reading it, I, I don't know where their, like, loyalties lie almost. 00:15:50.980 --> 00:15:54.279 Like, where do you, where do you justify reading it and then not seeing it? 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:55.370 I get your point, I promise. 00:15:55.370 --> 00:15:55.399 Watch. 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:55.950 Yeah, look for it. 00:15:55.950 --> 00:15:56.879 You'll see it a lot more. 00:15:56.950 --> 00:15:57.200 Yeah. 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.419 It's because it's been, it's been something that I've been like- 00:16:00.649 --> 00:16:03.080 Have you seen it to do more with this book now? 00:16:03.129 --> 00:16:05.789 I'm just curious, or has it been- Oh, no, I, I think that this- in, like, other things in 00:16:06.450 --> 00:16:15.179 the past this is personal, that it, once I saw the attention being given to this movie as it's coming out, drew me back towards that- Mm argument. 00:16:15.179 --> 00:16:17.710 Because I've, I, again, I've seen that argument a lot. 00:16:17.750 --> 00:16:18.070 Mm-hmm. 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:22.250 It's not widespread, and I'm not trying to shit on anybody for having a good time. 00:16:22.259 --> 00:16:23.970 Like, I'm not gonna yuck your yum, right? 00:16:23.970 --> 00:16:24.195 No. 00:16:24.195 --> 00:16:24.649 Yeah, I know. 00:16:24.649 --> 00:16:24.659 But 00:16:24.659 --> 00:16:30.350 what I do wanna do is just kind of speculate about the, about this argument. 00:16:30.350 --> 00:16:30.470 I 00:16:30.470 --> 00:16:33.679 mean, you could be bringing that up right now and someone having an aha moment. 00:16:34.009 --> 00:16:34.639 Oh, you're right. 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:35.049 I do- 00:16:35.049 --> 00:16:35.320 I would hope so. 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:36.039 That's part of what we're trying to do. 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:36.360 I, 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:39.909 I do read it in a book every day, and then I get mad when I see it on screen. 00:16:39.970 --> 00:16:40.309 Yeah. 00:16:40.309 --> 00:16:40.379 Yeah. 00:16:40.379 --> 00:16:40.950 I hear you. 00:16:41.250 --> 00:16:42.129 Yeah, absolutely. 00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:45.129 So either way, you know that we're gonna be in theaters to see this movie. 00:16:45.190 --> 00:16:46.370 I cannot wait to see it. 00:16:46.409 --> 00:16:47.259 I'm going to see it. 00:16:47.269 --> 00:16:48.059 You're going to see it. 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:50.639 I'm probably gonna be with a, a fun group of women to go see it. 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:50.871 It's gonna 00:16:50.871 --> 00:17:01.179 be a- Yeah,'cause I already have a group of girls that wanna see it, and they already know that you're included in that because you are I don't wanna say you're not one of the guys, but you're like the guy that gets included in the girls' stuff. 00:17:01.570 --> 00:17:02.539 You know what I like. 00:17:03.370 --> 00:17:04.619 Look, I, I'm here for it. 00:17:04.650 --> 00:17:04.983 I like this kind 00:17:04.983 --> 00:17:05.048 of stuff. 00:17:05.048 --> 00:17:06.869 You're the guy that all the women feel safe

with. 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:07.039 Yeah. 00:17:07.089 --> 00:17:07.779 Oh, no. 00:17:08.049 --> 00:17:10.089 That's been, I've worked very hard for that, too. 00:17:10.089 --> 00:17:10.279 Yeah. 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:15.740 Yeah, you, I mean, you work hard at it, but you're also, you don't have to work at it neither. 00:17:15.769 --> 00:17:15.869 Yes. 00:17:15.869 --> 00:17:17.000 Just to say. 00:17:17.910 --> 00:17:18.920 Just to say. 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:21.910 Okay, so we have, like, eight topics. 00:17:21.910 --> 00:17:22.599 What do you wanna talk about next? 00:17:22.650 --> 00:17:24.180 Um, l- wanna talk about boudoir? 00:17:25.390 --> 00:17:25.880 Ooh. 00:17:26.009 --> 00:17:26.029 Yeah. 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:27.019 Yeah, you have been a little bit passionate about this. 00:17:27.019 --> 00:17:27.299 I mean, our 00:17:27.500 --> 00:17:27.740 s- our 00:17:27.829 --> 00:17:28.420 segues 00:17:28.420 --> 00:17:29.000 suck right now. 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:29.039 Oh, we don't care. 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:29.339 I would love 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:29.930 to have, like, 00:17:29.930 --> 00:17:30.299 this nice, awesome one. 00:17:30.299 --> 00:17:31.349 No, that's fine. 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:31.920 Yeah. 00:17:32.009 --> 00:17:32.539 But we don't, so. 00:17:32.539 --> 00:17:32.559 But 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:33.930 we have a list of things we wanna discuss. 00:17:33.930 --> 00:17:34.500 That's fine. 00:17:35.299 --> 00:17:36.890 But what do you wanna discuss into boudoir? 00:17:36.900 --> 00:17:38.490 Uh, so- Because you added this note. 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:48.109 Yeah, this is something that I've noticed more recently, and, uh, this is something that I'm I can't say that I've experienced myself because we've done couples bou- boudoir before. 00:17:48.529 --> 00:17:54.170 But one thing that I've seen a lot more recently is a lot more couples doing boudoir, and I love that. 00:17:54.170 --> 00:17:55.500 I think that, like, more power to you. 00:17:55.500 --> 00:17:56.240 You should. 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:56.589 Absolutely. 00:17:56.619 --> 00:18:02.980 You should ex- support each other in your own bodies and, like, do this stuff that, that makes you feel sexy, and keep these books about it. 00:18:02.980 --> 00:18:03.750 It's really cool. 00:18:04.869 --> 00:18:16.569 Having said that, guys that are going with your wives- Or your girlfriends or, or whoever- Whatever, yeah to, or partners, to do boudoir, you don't look very interested to be there. 00:18:17.609 --> 00:18:22.000 No, they look like, they, I don't wanna say they look scared- You look uncomfortable but they look, like, uninterested. 00:18:22.380 --> 00:18:24.160 You look very uncomfortable for sure. 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:30.730 Out of the 50 I've seen, I think there's only one guy that I saw that, like, looked into it, like, actually into it. 00:18:30.750 --> 00:18:31.190 Yeah. 00:18:31.309 --> 00:18:34.000 And even then, that was one frame out of the 100 that they took. 00:18:34.150 --> 00:18:34.529 Yeah. 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:35.119 You know? 00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:37.569 So the, I wanna, I have a message. 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:43.579 I think that part of it lies on, and I, sorry, guys, but I'm saying it, on the photographers. 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:44.569 You think so? 00:18:44.569 --> 00:19:01.279 I have seen so many photographers that do boudoir that help women feel empowered, that help them feel comfortable, that are complimenting them and telling them how beautiful they are, and they, they bring this personality out of them that just really flows with the camera work. 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:01.549 Okay, 00:19:01.569 --> 00:19:03.289 so you're thinking that they don't do that with men? 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:04.180 I am. 00:19:04.589 --> 00:19:06.250 But do you think that they know how to talk to men? 00:19:06.410 --> 00:19:09.329 That's, see, the, right, this is, this is the rabbit hole, right? 00:19:09.349 --> 00:19:09.880 Is that- 00:19:10.019 --> 00:19:12.069 Cause, like, I know how to tell a woman to feel sexy. 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:14.420 I wouldn't know- How do you feel a man to, to feel sexy? 00:19:14.420 --> 00:19:15.779 I wouldn't know how to tell a man to feel sexy. 00:19:15.779 --> 00:19:15.903 Yeah. 00:19:15.903 --> 00:19:16.150 I don't- 00:19:16.150 --> 00:19:22.819 So that's the shit, if you're gonna, if you're gonna offer it- Oh, I see what you're saying I think that one of the best things that a, that a photographer could do in that moment- 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:23.190 Mm-hmm 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:29.589 is to learn how to also help, or to help both partners feel comfortable, and to really bring it out. 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:42.369 Otherwise, you're gonna see it on screen, you're gonna see it on camera, is that you're gonna have one partner who feels really comfortable in the situation, and they're doing their thing, and the other one is gonna just not look, the chemistry's not gonna be there. 00:19:42.940 --> 00:19:45.329 So creating that chemistry can be a fun thing. 00:19:45.940 --> 00:19:47.210 Figure out how to get them both into it. 00:19:47.210 --> 00:19:56.480 So do you think that they should, like, work through different, like, plays or things to, like, get them comfortable with each other beforehand? 00:19:56.490 --> 00:19:57.630 Yeah, I think that'd be part 00:19:57.630 --> 00:19:57.799 of it. 00:19:57.799 --> 00:19:58.049 I, I get what you're saying. 00:19:58.049 --> 00:19:59.910 I think that part of it comes from a conversation of 00:20:01.390 --> 00:20:02.019 just, uh, connecting with 00:20:02.019 --> 00:20:02.519 them both. 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:06.160 But like as a, as a woman, I w- okay, great example. 00:20:06.549 --> 00:20:11.109 I'm a hairstylist, and I do women and men's hair, right? 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.920 Everyone asks me, why do I not film my men in the end? 00:20:15.690 --> 00:20:17.369 Why do I not take before and afters? 00:20:17.829 --> 00:20:19.160

Because they suck at it. 00:20:19.170 --> 00:20:19.640 Right. 00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:20.980 They fucking suck. 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:21.420 Right. 00:20:21.539 --> 00:20:28.240 Th- there's no correct way for me as a person to know how to tell them to feel comfortable. 00:20:28.609 --> 00:20:30.606 That, that's, right, that's the trick, that's the thing I 00:20:30.606 --> 00:20:30.762 wanna explore. 00:20:30.762 --> 00:20:35.710 Now, I'm also not charging thousands of dollars to take photos for that. 00:20:35.970 --> 00:20:39.190 I just don't do it because I don't know how to do it. 00:20:39.380 --> 00:20:39.670 Yeah, yeah. 00:20:39.670 --> 00:20:46.296 But, but, but at the same time, as a woman that is trying to You're a male. 00:20:46.576 --> 00:20:51.536 How would you tell a male, male to be more comfortable behind the camera, then? 00:20:52.026 --> 00:20:58.766 So in my, in my opinion, I don't think it comes from getting them, like telling them to be comfortable or doing that. 00:20:59.026 --> 00:21:02.625 I think it comes from getting them comfortable in the environment in the first place. 00:21:02.875 --> 00:21:05.125 They're entering into a space that they're not familiar with. 00:21:05.576 --> 00:21:08.036 They're entering into a space that they're not really comfortable in. 00:21:08.415 --> 00:21:13.355 You know, you're gonna have some people that are fine with it, but you're gonna have others who are Like, these are dudes. 00:21:13.486 --> 00:21:13.855 Yeah. 00:21:13.915 --> 00:21:14.246 Right? 00:21:14.266 --> 00:21:15.276 These are guys. 00:21:15.296 --> 00:21:20.170 A lot of the people that are, are being talked into going and doing boudoir shoots and couple boudoir shoots- It's just'cause 00:21:20.170 --> 00:21:21.566 their girl wants them to do it 00:21:21.945 --> 00:21:22.986 that is right. 00:21:22.996 --> 00:21:24.046 That's It could be. 00:21:24.046 --> 00:21:24.246 Their, their 00:21:24.365 --> 00:21:25.096 girl wants them to do it. 00:21:25.096 --> 00:21:25.226 "Hey, 00:21:25.226 --> 00:21:27.365 come do this with me." He's like,"All, all right. 00:21:27.365 --> 00:21:28.566 I- Okay I guess I will." All 00:21:28.566 --> 00:21:29.006 right. 00:21:29.086 --> 00:21:32.046 And then you get there, and you're in a photography studio. 00:21:32.056 --> 00:21:32.066 Mm. 00:21:32.076 --> 00:21:33.915 And this guy's never been in a photography studio before. 00:21:33.915 --> 00:21:34.875 Not on that level. 00:21:34.875 --> 00:21:39.465 And he's- Now it's beds and chains and- Right lon- lingerie and lighting 00:21:39.465 --> 00:21:42.836 And most of the conversation- is around,"Hey, girl, you have access to my closet. 00:21:42.836 --> 00:21:44.496 Look at all these outfits we can put you in. 00:21:44.506 --> 00:21:46.006 Hey, girl, let's put you over here 00:21:46.016 --> 00:21:49.036 and do this." And most times the men are in like jeans and a cowboy hat. 00:21:49.046 --> 00:21:51.655 Right, and it's like,"Hey, stand over there until you're needed." 00:21:52.296 --> 00:21:52.566 That's- 00:21:52.576 --> 00:21:55.546 And then it's like,"Now come sit here and put your legs here and do that. 00:21:55.556 --> 00:21:56.635 Now we're taking pictures." I 00:21:56.816 --> 00:21:58.125 mean, you're not wrong. 00:21:58.145 --> 00:21:58.276 It's- 00:21:58.306 --> 00:22:02.365 If you're gonna do the couple's boudoir, you need to have the couple's comfort. 00:22:02.486 --> 00:22:07.465 So do you think they need to have a, like a guy standing in that's like lighting but can also talk to the male? 00:22:07.826 --> 00:22:10.385 I You got me-'cause I'm not a fucking photographer. 00:22:10.385 --> 00:22:10.516 No, 00:22:10.586 --> 00:22:10.875 I know. 00:22:10.885 --> 00:22:13.086 All I can do is tell you what I've observed. 00:22:13.096 --> 00:22:13.405 Yeah. 00:22:13.465 --> 00:22:18.306 And whenever I see I,'cause I l- I love how artistic a lot of these boudoir photographers are. 00:22:18.306 --> 00:22:21.605 They are good artists, and they do really great artwork. 00:22:21.615 --> 00:22:21.635 Yeah. 00:22:21.635 --> 00:22:25.516 And the second that it becomes a couple's one, you're like,"What happened?" It's so fun. 00:22:25.596 --> 00:22:25.746 Yeah. 00:22:26.746 --> 00:22:27.586 Like, what happened? 00:22:27.586 --> 00:22:28.346 Where'd it go? 00:22:29.256 --> 00:22:36.486 You can take- I mean- You can take women and have them feel empowered and beautiful no matter the shape, size, or anything else about them. 00:22:37.516 --> 00:22:39.096 You should be able to do the same with a guy. 00:22:40.086 --> 00:22:43.796 No matter his shape, no matter his size, you should also be able to make him feel the 00:22:43.796 --> 00:22:44.056 same thing. 00:22:44.056 --> 00:22:46.016 I mean, sweetie, I hear you loud and clear. 00:22:46.215 --> 00:22:48.155 The biggest difference is we're not photographers. 00:22:48.425 --> 00:22:48.739 Mm-mm. 00:22:48.739 --> 00:22:48.903 We're, 00:22:48.903 --> 00:22:49.286 that's- We're 00:22:49.365 --> 00:22:56.986 not, and I really hope that from this episode I get like a couple of DMs from photographers that are like, either,"Fuck you," or that are like- Or-"You know what? 00:22:56.986 --> 00:22:57.395 I agree with you" or, 00:22:57.395 --> 00:22:58.935 Get your ass in here. 00:22:59.076 --> 00:23:03.326 Get your ass in here and instruct these men." You know what I mean? 00:23:03.326 --> 00:23:04.955 Come, come help these men feel comfortable- Like, 00:23:04.955 --> 00:23:05.205 hey 00:23:05.205 --> 00:23:05.836 behind the camera. 00:23:05.836 --> 00:23:06.385 You, you do- Or 00:23:06.385 --> 00:23:06.506 in 00:23:06.786 --> 00:23:10.056 front of the camera but that's the thing, though, is you do very well in front of the camera. 00:23:10.056 --> 00:23:10.115 I would like to think. 00:23:10.115 --> 00:23:11.465 But not all men are you. 00:23:11.806 --> 00:23:14.175 Not all men are gonna get invited to Wicker Dick. 00:23:14.256 --> 00:23:15.915 Do you not r- see

the difference, though? 00:23:16.385 --> 00:23:17.135 You know what I mean? 00:23:17.326 --> 00:23:18.675 Like, you're not all men. 00:23:19.175 --> 00:23:24.036 You can get- Well, I understand that in front of a camera, and you have this beautiful ability to be behind camera. 00:23:24.036 --> 00:23:24.256 That, that I agree with. 00:23:24.256 --> 00:23:27.826 Not very many men I know have that ability. 00:23:28.365 --> 00:23:29.076 Anyways. 00:23:30.726 --> 00:23:33.115 Anyways, I think- Just ranting here. 00:23:33.115 --> 00:23:33.286 I love it. 00:23:33.296 --> 00:23:35.286 No, no, that's, that's what we're here for. 00:23:36.445 --> 00:23:41.445 So I'm gonna bring something up, and it's just a note that I see, and you can tell me to shut up and we move on. 00:23:41.776 --> 00:23:44.246 What are science grifters? 00:23:44.256 --> 00:23:45.296 So you know what a grifter is. 00:23:45.486 --> 00:23:48.236 I do, but what do you mean by this comment? 00:23:48.306 --> 00:23:48.655 Or s- 00:23:49.096 --> 00:23:50.165 The science grifter stuff? 00:23:50.165 --> 00:23:54.125 So I, I'm- Note I'm, I'm floating aro- a- around on Instagram the other day. 00:23:54.195 --> 00:23:59.586 I, that's where I get a lot of ideas from, is just watching reels from researchers. 00:23:59.596 --> 00:23:59.615 Mm-hmm. 00:23:59.625 --> 00:24:03.655 Watching reels from educators, watching reels from professionals and all that. 00:24:04.046 --> 00:24:05.155 And I come across this page. 00:24:05.155 --> 00:24:06.036 I'm not gonna name names. 00:24:06.036 --> 00:24:06.904 I don't think that's a, a thing to do. 00:24:06.904 --> 00:24:08.165 Yeah, let's not do that, no. 00:24:08.165 --> 00:24:13.086 But it's this person who is posing themself as a as a sex educator. 00:24:13.246 --> 00:24:18.665 You know, the reality is, is that you don't really need anything to call yourself that. 00:24:18.756 --> 00:24:19.278 Not a sex educator. 00:24:19.278 --> 00:24:22.665 You can go through, you can go through- Yeah certifications by choice. 00:24:22.675 --> 00:24:23.375 It's all voluntary. 00:24:23.385 --> 00:24:23.546 Like 00:24:23.736 --> 00:24:24.276 you did. 00:24:24.415 --> 00:24:24.625 But, yes. 00:24:24.635 --> 00:24:25.476 Like you did. 00:24:26.056 --> 00:24:26.455 Yes. 00:24:26.455 --> 00:24:26.546 But 00:24:26.766 --> 00:24:27.036 if- Sexual... 00:24:27.036 --> 00:24:28.816 Do you wanna plug it real fast? 00:24:28.915 --> 00:24:30.496 Sexual Health Alliance, just saying. 00:24:30.496 --> 00:24:30.655 We 00:24:30.836 --> 00:24:32.726 lo- we love plugging Sexual Health 00:24:32.726 --> 00:24:32.915 Alliance. 00:24:32.915 --> 00:24:34.935 I'm just saying, you ha- you've done this though. 00:24:34.935 --> 00:24:36.135 That's the only reason I bring it up. 00:24:36.596 --> 00:24:37.336 You've done this. 00:24:37.336 --> 00:24:38.976 You've gone to the certifications. 00:24:39.056 --> 00:24:44.855 You're not a person that's just like, you know- Right floating around, finding ran- random information. 00:24:44.855 --> 00:24:45.066 Hell, I'm 00:24:45.536 --> 00:24:47.365 still trying to finish the certifications. 00:24:47.526 --> 00:24:48.195 Okay, fair. 00:24:48.205 --> 00:24:49.855 I'm just saying that you've done your work. 00:24:49.915 --> 00:24:50.145 Yeah. 00:24:50.155 --> 00:24:51.806 You, you're not just this like person. 00:24:52.036 --> 00:24:52.415 Correct. 00:24:52.435 --> 00:24:52.596 Yeah. 00:24:52.596 --> 00:24:58.306 Because what I'm talking about is the people that I've come a- that we are coming across who are saying that that's what they are. 00:24:58.326 --> 00:24:59.905 And you don't need a credential. 00:24:59.955 --> 00:25:03.276 You don't need the, the letters behind your name in order to call yourself this. 00:25:03.605 --> 00:25:11.306 But what I've seen more and more of is people who are trying to use a ill-begotten title- 00:25:12.145 --> 00:25:12.346 Ill-begotten 00:25:12.355 --> 00:25:15.836 in order to push their sales. 00:25:16.306 --> 00:25:19.026 So you go to their page and they're like,"I'm a sex educator. 00:25:19.026 --> 00:25:22.115 Look at me, I have 50,000 followers." Wow, that's well and amazing. 00:25:22.125 --> 00:25:23.246 You can make great content. 00:25:23.405 --> 00:25:24.365 Wonderful for you. 00:25:24.736 --> 00:25:28.596 "Hey guys, now sign up for my," whatever offering it is. 00:25:28.596 --> 00:25:28.955 Yeah. 00:25:29.346 --> 00:25:30.455 And you go,"All right. 00:25:30.455 --> 00:25:31.536 Well, what's this offering? 00:25:31.556 --> 00:25:36.556 Oh my gosh, you're offering a certification." What the fuck does that even mean? 00:25:36.625 --> 00:26:13.779 Oh, what you're saying is that you created a certification with no board advisory, with no regulation, with nothing at all to say that anyone that pays me 3 to$5,000 can then now say,"I'm certified in system X or system Y." But to begin with, the person who's offering this is a nobody, is a random person who decided one day that they were gonna start doing some research, and then after a little while of doing that, they put it into a coursework, and now they're selling it for thousands of dollars. 00:26:13.829 --> 00:26:14.619 That's what gets me. 00:26:14.619 --> 00:26:14.890 That's fucked up. 00:26:14.890 --> 00:26:16.380 Thousands of dollars. 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:18.339 You, you, you went to what? 00:26:18.349 --> 00:26:19.329 ChatGPT? 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:22.319 You'd be surprised how many people actually do. 00:26:22.329 --> 00:26:23.509 That's what I'm saying, though. 00:26:23.710 --> 00:26:29.990 You, you went on there and said,"Hey, this is what I wanna do." And, like, in part, cool. 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:31.730 Smart angle. 00:26:31.990 --> 00:26:33.480 But you're s- you're a dick. 00:26:33.970 --> 00:26:35.059 That's a dick angle. 00:26:35.059 --> 00:26:35.289 Smart 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:36.250 angle, but you're a dick. 00:26:36.250 --> 00:26:37.160 You're a dick. 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:39.380 You have

no... 00:26:39.809 --> 00:26:46.799 The thing is, is anything can tell you what to do, but until you have personal experience in that, you don't actually know. 00:26:46.930 --> 00:26:48.720 Theoretical experience can get you far. 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:50.470 Like, let's- Yes, it can let's, let's be real there. 00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:50.809 Yes. 00:26:50.809 --> 00:26:51.859 We can get far with theoretical experience. 00:26:51.869 --> 00:26:52.099 But 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:53.900 life fucking experience. 00:26:54.369 --> 00:26:56.380 You know- Is also an important part you and I could have not... 00:26:56.690 --> 00:27:05.309 You and I would not go out and talk an entire podcast episode on going to a sex party if you and I had not gone to a sex party. 00:27:05.309 --> 00:27:05.329 No. 00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:06.839 We wouldn't do it. 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:07.075 Nope. 00:27:07.075 --> 00:27:08.259 I don't care what ChatGPT- I wouldn't 00:27:08.259 --> 00:27:08.329 teach 00:27:08.329 --> 00:27:09.220 Shibari with 00:27:09.220 --> 00:27:09.670 being like- 00:27:09.710 --> 00:27:10.319 told me 00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:11.799 Ah, chat told me to do this." 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:12.589 I would not. 00:27:12.609 --> 00:27:14.180 I w- I, I wouldn't do that. 00:27:14.180 --> 00:27:19.970 Just as a human, I would not tell people the experience of something that I have not actually experienced. 00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:20.000 No. 00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:32.400 It's the same thing whenever we see people who are like,"Oh, I offer couples counseling or couples education." I don't, I'm not gonna shit on counselors here, because you guys are the fucking shit. 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:33.990 I love y'all all, every single one of you. 00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:45.450 If you've gone through the schoolwork and you are a cer- You, you went through the education and you are certified with an LPC or an LMFT sex therapist, all that, you deserve to be exactly where you're at. 00:27:45.819 --> 00:27:54.119 I'm gearing this more towards the people who claim to be able to coach people, but they themselves haven't gone through the shit- 00:27:54.140 --> 00:27:55.009 Yeah, exactly 00:27:55.009 --> 00:27:55.559 and done it. 00:27:55.940 --> 00:28:00.750 So we, we've seen that before, too, where people are like,"Oh, well, I'm a, you know, I'm a couples coach. 00:28:00.829 --> 00:28:01.970 I'm an intimacy coach." 00:28:01.990 --> 00:28:02.880 Bet you're single. 00:28:03.009 --> 00:28:03.490 No, I'm just kidding. 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:09.549 But they themselves are not in long-term relationships- Yeah or keep bouncing relationship to relationship. 00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.119 Well, I've seen people who are like, they went... 00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:20.119 There was one couple that I saw that runs a podcast that has so much of a following, and I've watched their stuff. 00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:21.380 I disagree with a lot of things that they say. 00:28:21.390 --> 00:28:21.690 Yeah. 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.259 But I'll watch their stuff, and I'll get shared it by friends of mine. 00:28:26.299 --> 00:28:30.299 And I'm like,"Hey, just so you know, these guys have been together for, like, three years." 00:28:30.309 --> 00:28:30.720 Yeah. 00:28:30.789 --> 00:28:34.259 And they were both in, like, severely abusive relationships before this. 00:28:34.259 --> 00:28:34.809 Before. 00:28:34.819 --> 00:28:39.410 And now this, they're just saying things, and they say it with confidence. 00:28:39.589 --> 00:28:43.970 And people tend to believe whenever somebody says something enough times with enough confidence. 00:28:43.970 --> 00:28:44.160 Yeah. 00:28:44.170 --> 00:28:45.250 We see that all the time, right? 00:28:45.349 --> 00:28:45.940 Yes, we do. 00:28:47.511 --> 00:28:48.301 Yes, we do. 00:28:49.071 --> 00:28:54.362 So in seeing, in seeing a lot of that, it becomes frustrating and you go,"Well, who am I supposed to listen to?" 00:28:55.201 --> 00:28:56.412 I mean, it has to be hard though. 00:28:56.412 --> 00:29:04.251 Like, you and I d- have like a general understanding, and we can, we, you help me to also sift through the bullshit. 00:29:04.582 --> 00:29:10.721 But like, I, I do feel unfortunate for people that, because the, the content is just so out there. 00:29:11.061 --> 00:29:12.231 It's everywhere out there. 00:29:12.471 --> 00:29:12.989 I feel like people are even preying on it. 00:29:12.989 --> 00:29:14.221 And it's very hard to know. 00:29:14.422 --> 00:29:18.622 Exactly, that's the thing, is like people prey on the ignorance of- 00:29:18.632 --> 00:29:19.561 People prey on insecurity. 00:29:19.571 --> 00:29:19.592 Yeah. 00:29:19.602 --> 00:29:20.672 People prey on fear. 00:29:21.051 --> 00:29:25.021 If a message is delivered enough times and you start thinking,"I must be broken. 00:29:25.021 --> 00:29:25.741 I must be broken. 00:29:25.741 --> 00:29:27.582 I must be broken"- Mm-hmm they're creating a problem. 00:29:27.842 --> 00:29:32.172 And then, lo and behold, they're your savior- Here's a solution to come save you from that problem. 00:29:32.172 --> 00:29:32.201 Yeah, yeah. 00:29:32.211 --> 00:29:34.021 We've seen this for years. 00:29:34.031 --> 00:29:34.132 Yes. 00:29:34.182 --> 00:29:36.122 We've been in this kind of stuff. 00:29:36.182 --> 00:29:36.811 We know what the fuck we're talking about. 00:29:36.811 --> 00:29:38.221 We see it in our presidency. 00:29:38.932 --> 00:29:39.862 Literally. 00:29:39.912 --> 00:29:47.132 I've seen it all the way down to- I know to groups that we've been part of- I know in the past, where you start watching them sell from the stage. 00:29:47.422 --> 00:29:47.592 Yeah. 00:29:47.592 --> 00:29:58.261 And you start going,"Holy shit, in 10 minutes time I watched this person create a problem, introduce a solution to a problem, and then pr- represent themselves as the only one that can save you from the problem." 00:29:58.281 --> 00:30:02.152 Yep, and then I'm a, and then you're gonna

have to buy the solution to that problem. 00:30:02.152 --> 00:30:02.241 Yeah. 00:30:02.241 --> 00:30:02.811 You want it? 00:30:02.832 --> 00:30:04.211 It only costs this much. 00:30:04.221 --> 00:30:04.902 Ugh, here's the price. 00:30:04.902 --> 00:30:05.741 That's all it is. 00:30:05.751 --> 00:30:06.491 Here's the price. 00:30:07.051 --> 00:30:09.412 Okay, I'm gonna go through, let's see. 00:30:09.412 --> 00:30:10.842 I'm just gonna look at random. 00:30:11.461 --> 00:30:12.051 Ooh. 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:15.660 I feel like this is my topic. 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.450 Unsolicited pics. 00:30:18.579 --> 00:30:18.930 Okay. 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:27.214 As a female, I have received a ridiculous amount of dick pics. 00:30:27.214 --> 00:30:28.230 Mm-hmm. 00:30:28.829 --> 00:30:29.579 Ridiculous. 00:30:29.609 --> 00:30:30.269 As expected. 00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:31.390 Just ridiculous. 00:30:31.390 --> 00:30:31.480 I 00:30:31.490 --> 00:30:32.670 don't ever receive dick pics. 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:34.190 That is unfortunate for you. 00:30:34.529 --> 00:30:34.799 No. 00:30:35.069 --> 00:30:36.670 I don't present myself as, I don't know. 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:38.289 Wanting to receive such? 00:30:38.380 --> 00:30:42.710 I don't present myself as wanting to receive such, but my... 00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:44.619 I actually wrote this note. 00:30:46.410 --> 00:30:50.319 Unsolicited pics is truly just that. 00:30:50.779 --> 00:30:50.849 Yeah. 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.650 They are not gender specific. 00:30:53.490 --> 00:30:57.019 They are not dick, tick, balls, ass. 00:30:57.250 --> 00:30:58.079 Don't care. 00:30:59.309 --> 00:31:07.009 If you send something without consent from the receiver, that's fucked up. 00:31:07.130 --> 00:31:08.200 You are in the wrong. 00:31:08.450 --> 00:31:08.710 Yeah. 00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:10.910 You are 100% in the wrong. 00:31:12.289 --> 00:31:15.589 You and I were sitting in this very position that we're sitting in now. 00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:17.690 I'm minding my own business. 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:19.420 You're playing a video game. 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:24.039 I'm scrolling on Facebook, and all of a sudden, what happens, Casey? 00:31:24.990 --> 00:31:27.440 You next to me made this weird kind of noise. 00:31:27.500 --> 00:31:27.609 What? 00:31:27.609 --> 00:31:31.509 I was like,"Ugh, ugh." Why? 00:31:31.940 --> 00:31:33.990 You sound like Bette Midler in Hocus Pocus. 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:34.460 Ugh. 00:31:36.049 --> 00:31:42.549 So I open up my Facebook Messenger, and just straight tits. 00:31:43.950 --> 00:31:47.130 Sidebar, I didn't know that you could send nudes on Facebook. 00:31:47.869 --> 00:31:49.150 I thought they had, like, restrictions. 00:31:49.150 --> 00:31:49.390 Like, you 00:31:49.420 --> 00:31:51.150 think they would be like,"Oh, you're sending this message. 00:31:51.190 --> 00:31:52.690 Are you sure you wanna send this message?" 00:31:52.910 --> 00:31:53.670 Not even that. 00:31:53.670 --> 00:31:58.099 "We're gonna blur this message." Like, I literally thought that you could not send nudes on... 00:31:58.259 --> 00:31:59.660 It's Facebook. 00:32:00.230 --> 00:32:01.099 It's Facebook. 00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:05.140 Anyways, this ain't fucking Snapchat. 00:32:05.390 --> 00:32:12.440 This ain't Instagram And yes, I made a face and I showed Casey. 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:17.400 And I'm like,"And y- what is the first thing you said?" I don't know if you remember, I'm gonna tell you. 00:32:17.410 --> 00:32:17.480 Oh, 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.019 I have no idea what I said. 00:32:19.170 --> 00:32:28.910 It was,"Not in a bad way to you, what did you do, what did you say to receive this?" I didn't say anything. 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:28.940 Yeah. 00:32:28.980 --> 00:32:30.289 I didn't do anything. 00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:31.809 Well, that was my assumption, and it was'cause I was 00:32:32.349 --> 00:32:33.579 so bli- And that's, uh, that's a fair assumption 00:32:33.609 --> 00:32:46.200 I was so blindsided by it being a, a woman sending you, another woman, a picture of herself, like tits out in a hot tub- Correct of being, like, I was like,"What, what was y'all's conversation before this?" Correct. 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:46.440 Yes. 00:32:46.450 --> 00:32:46.480 And 00:32:47.619 --> 00:32:53.480 then I showed you the two messages- Yeah two, before that. 00:32:54.460 --> 00:32:57.950 But here's the thing, though, that shit pisses me off. 00:32:58.059 --> 00:32:58.200 Yes, it does. 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.150 I don't, I don't care who you are, that shit pisses me off. 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:01.180 Yeah. 00:33:01.190 --> 00:33:05.069 You need, you are looking for direct consent,"I would like to send you something. 00:33:05.069 --> 00:33:05.569 Is that cool?" 00:33:05.579 --> 00:33:11.369 May I send you something?" Do I have permission to send you even what it's going to be? 00:33:11.420 --> 00:33:11.680 Yeah. 00:33:11.900 --> 00:33:17.390 But if you just send something at random with no context, that's gonna piss me off. 00:33:17.450 --> 00:33:17.650 Yeah. 00:33:17.690 --> 00:33:28.910 You are immediately breaking any level of consent, boundaries, like, I don't, I don't even know a word for it, but it's just, it's so inappropriate, and it pisses me off. 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:33.900 Well, it falls towards every- uh, most of that's been geared towards one gender. 00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:34.809 That's cis het men. 00:33:34.809 --> 00:33:34.869 It's 00:33:35.250 --> 00:33:35.430 true. 00:33:35.470 --> 00:33:35.769 Right? 00:33:35.910 --> 00:33:36.200 True. 00:33:36.630 --> 00:33:39.769 Who, who are the ones sending these unsolicited pictures. 00:33:39.779 --> 00:33:39.799 Yeah. 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.190 And so that's what all the conversation has been geared towards. 00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:46.279 Uh, and it's not been really talked about how all-encompassing that can be. 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:56.680 It doesn't matter your gender- Yeah it

doesn't matter your sexuality- Mm-hmm it doesn't matter your orientation, you don't send something to somebody else without their personal express consent first. 00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:06.210 And, like, you know, we've been in situations with individuals in the past where, you know, we could've been interested in them. 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.090 We even met them out. 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:20.650 And even meeting someone out in public and having a conversation with them doesn't consent to then afterward sending nudes. 00:34:20.739 --> 00:34:20.900 Yeah. 00:34:21.090 --> 00:34:23.809 There was nothing discussed about sending a nude. 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:24.869 Nothing. 00:34:25.460 --> 00:34:34.250 And then here we were, you and I, minding our own business, and then we had a group chat, and then pop out a nude. 00:34:34.710 --> 00:34:39.389 And, like, if they would've asked, completely fine. 00:34:39.989 --> 00:34:41.900 I don't care how much I vibe with this person. 00:34:42.130 --> 00:34:47.469 If they would've asked, it would've been a yes, and then everything would've been fine. 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:47.500 Yeah. 00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:48.820 But you didn't ask. 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:50.920 You, nothing led up to that. 00:34:51.190 --> 00:34:53.099 Just boom, here's a nude. 00:34:53.570 --> 00:34:54.579 Not okay with that. 00:34:55.130 --> 00:35:08.869 At the same time, like, I can be at a bar minding me own business, and I think that because I'm a girl at a bar, another girl can come up to me and touch me in a way that I don't wanna be touched. 00:35:08.969 --> 00:35:11.239 And it is considered okay. 00:35:11.329 --> 00:35:11.489 Yeah. 00:35:11.889 --> 00:35:12.030 'Cause 00:35:12.030 --> 00:35:15.210 we- There is nothing wrong with that, but really 00:35:15.389 --> 00:35:18.130 We fr- well, you and I, we frequent a lot of queer spaces. 00:35:18.179 --> 00:35:18.440 We do. 00:35:18.860 --> 00:35:29.440 We frequent a lot of just various spaces, and one of the observations that we have both seen frequenting both straight, queer spaces, and everything in between- And, 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:29.739 yeah 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:40.726 is that There's a lot of verbal and sexual harassment that just goes unnoticed, unchecked 00:35:40.755 --> 00:35:47.036 You know, I, I think there's a level that they all feel safe in their space, and I love that they feel safe in their space. 00:35:47.036 --> 00:35:47.596 Yeah, that's what they 00:35:47.596 --> 00:35:48.135 deserve. 00:35:48.135 --> 00:35:55.646 But they, but they can't assume that everyone else is in- Yeah that same comfort space that they're in. 00:35:55.726 --> 00:35:55.905 Yeah. 00:35:55.985 --> 00:35:57.695 I don't like to be touched. 00:35:57.925 --> 00:35:59.456 I hate being touched. 00:35:59.496 --> 00:36:07.755 Well, we've discussed being out and be like, for example, if somebody out, is going out and they just wanna have a good time, and they're neurodivergent, and they- Yeah have an

aversion to touch. 00:36:07.755 --> 00:36:07.956 Valid 00:36:07.956 --> 00:36:08.326 point. 00:36:08.385 --> 00:36:14.556 And you w- and a person walks up to them and then puts their hands on them, you're now in their, you're violating their space. 00:36:14.695 --> 00:36:15.045 And you d- 00:36:15.056 --> 00:36:15.686 You are. 00:36:15.695 --> 00:36:16.005 Yeah. 00:36:16.096 --> 00:36:21.755 Like, there is, there is no,"Well, I didn't mean any harm by it." That's the, that's been the fucking argument from so many people. 00:36:22.186 --> 00:36:24.726 Doesn't matter what- Doesn't matter your intentions were. 00:36:24.976 --> 00:36:29.295 You went into somebody else's personal space without express permission. 00:36:29.815 --> 00:36:37.606 Ask,"Can I put my hands on you?" Ask,"Hey, can I touch you?" Ask,"Hey, can I pay you a compliment?" It's really fucking simple to do. 00:36:38.786 --> 00:36:39.585 It really is. 00:36:39.585 --> 00:36:40.936 It's, that's, that's literally not difficult. 00:36:40.996 --> 00:36:52.445 But we've had, we've had times where we've been out and about, and you've had people come up and, like, grab your ass or, like, put their hands on you or, like, pull you in- Mm-hmm and, and, like, hit on you, and you're kinda going,"I didn't ask for this." 00:36:52.485 --> 00:37:00.175 Because, again, if that was just a cisgender whatever male, I would've lost my shit. 00:37:00.295 --> 00:37:00.876 Me too. 00:37:00.985 --> 00:37:02.735 I would've lost my shit. 00:37:03.076 --> 00:37:07.646 But because it's a female doing it, all of a sudden I- You're 00:37:07.646 --> 00:37:08.856 supposed to be okay with it 00:37:09.206 --> 00:37:16.786 I'm, and maybe I shouldn't be okay with it, but there is a label of, maybe as a woman I'm like,"Oh, thank God it wasn't a male." Yeah. 00:37:16.916 --> 00:37:18.226 Because I don't know who did that. 00:37:18.735 --> 00:37:19.146 Well, there's 00:37:19.146 --> 00:37:19.576 also that 00:37:19.675 --> 00:37:20.775 l- Oh, thank God it wasn't a male. 00:37:20.846 --> 00:37:22.025 Oh, it's just a woman. 00:37:22.036 --> 00:37:22.056 Yeah. 00:37:22.186 --> 00:37:26.215 But then I'm like, wait a minute, I still didn't give con- Yeah I, I still didn't give consent to that. 00:37:26.215 --> 00:37:28.585 Well, there's als- there's also that layer of power, right? 00:37:28.775 --> 00:37:28.905 Yeah. 00:37:28.965 --> 00:37:46.646 Um, this is something that has been discussed whenever it comes to all sorts of subjects, including, uh, prejudice, including racism, including, including assault, like that, is that it's whenever it's an ingroup v- versus an outgroup, whenever it's a group in power versus a group that is traditionally seen to be out of power. 00:37:46.976 --> 00:37:47.315 Yeah. 00:37:47.376 --> 00:37:53.766 Um, so it becomes more okay for the people that are out of power to have their own rules within their group. 00:37:54.896 --> 00:38:03.135 So by that, if a member of that power-riddled ingroup commits

something, it's not okay. 00:38:03.146 --> 00:38:03.166 Yeah. 00:38:03.985 --> 00:38:08.666 But if a person within an ingroup does the same thing, it does become okay. 00:38:08.996 --> 00:38:25.907 However, the counterargument to that, not glorifying any ingroup or anything else, is to then say- It's not necessarily okay for anyone to behave like that, and you should be putting consent f- forward in the first place. 00:38:26.277 --> 00:38:27.507 That, that's the goal. 00:38:27.907 --> 00:38:29.557 That would be, that would be a great goal. 00:38:30.027 --> 00:38:31.050 I would, I would- That's what we'd like to see. 00:38:31.050 --> 00:38:31.114 Yeah. 00:38:31.114 --> 00:38:32.878 That would be a great goal. 00:38:33.237 --> 00:38:40.818 I would love for people, no matter where I'm at, no matter what we're doing, to ask before just touching me. 00:38:40.827 --> 00:38:40.847 Yeah. 00:38:41.588 --> 00:38:48.128 And I think that we set the bar a little low in life, just as general, as,"Oh, it wasn't a male that touched me. 00:38:48.358 --> 00:38:54.838 Okay, I'm not gonna throw a fit." But literally no one asked permission, and they did it anyways. 00:38:54.947 --> 00:39:00.557 That doesn't really make them that different to me- Yes than the person that I was fearful of doing it, you know? 00:39:02.405 --> 00:39:02.735 Just 00:39:02.735 --> 00:39:03.175 asking. 00:39:03.525 --> 00:39:03.815 Just 00:39:03.815 --> 00:39:04.175 saying. 00:39:04.186 --> 00:39:04.646 Just needing consent. 00:39:04.646 --> 00:39:04.686 Just 00:39:05.016 --> 00:39:05.056 saying. 00:39:05.306 --> 00:39:07.045 Um, do you wanna... 00:39:07.146 --> 00:39:13.485 Well, I feel like we've actually evenly picked out the topics, if you would like to dive into another one. 00:39:13.556 --> 00:39:14.735 No, it's my turn, because 00:39:14.755 --> 00:39:14.786 this 00:39:14.786 --> 00:39:15.646 is- It kind of is, though. 00:39:15.686 --> 00:39:18.666 I mean, we've, we've done good going back and forth, but... 00:39:20.365 --> 00:39:20.826 We have. 00:39:21.175 --> 00:39:21.565 We have. 00:39:21.565 --> 00:39:21.655 We did great. 00:39:21.655 --> 00:39:22.826 We've been doing really well. 00:39:23.126 --> 00:39:24.306 Carrie, how are your orgasms? 00:39:25.686 --> 00:39:26.706 I mean, better now. 00:39:26.715 --> 00:39:26.726 I 00:39:26.726 --> 00:39:28.505 was gonna say, hopefully better now. 00:39:28.865 --> 00:39:29.346 Mm, better now. 00:39:29.385 --> 00:39:31.755 So me, me and Carrie are having a conversation one day. 00:39:31.795 --> 00:39:38.076 Um, if you know anything about us, we like to have this, like, brutal transparency- Mm-hmm whenever it comes to our sex life. 00:39:38.536 --> 00:39:45.706 Uh, we both firmly believe that a extreme acceptance level of communication is healthy for our relationship. 00:39:46.115 --> 00:39:54.735 So if Carrie's having an issue, if I'm having an issue, we should be able to check- Discuss it, yeah check the other person's head space, schedule a

time to talk about it, and then bring up whatever it is. 00:39:55.646 --> 00:39:57.445 And I believe it was that you were like, what is it? 00:39:57.456 --> 00:39:59.226 You were like,"I'm bored with my orgasms." 00:39:59.286 --> 00:40:00.715 Yeah, I'm super bored, dude. 00:40:01.036 --> 00:40:03.525 But, like, it wasn't just you. 00:40:03.525 --> 00:40:06.956 I was bored of, like, my own orgasms. 00:40:06.956 --> 00:40:07.010 Yeah. 00:40:07.010 --> 00:40:09.045 And I think that I made that message very clear. 00:40:09.376 --> 00:40:10.775 Um, a little backstory. 00:40:10.786 --> 00:40:14.135 You and I play truth or dare every single day that we're not together. 00:40:14.266 --> 00:40:14.536 Yeah. 00:40:14.536 --> 00:40:14.985 We're, we're 00:40:15.016 --> 00:40:15.286 really 00:40:15.376 --> 00:40:16.735 big- It's a simple- on playing games over text. 00:40:16.755 --> 00:40:21.905 Yeah, it's a simple, simple game that just allows us to open up and talk about anything. 00:40:22.206 --> 00:40:29.516 We can dare each other to do really cute, sexy things, or we can just open up about things that we don't, wouldn't normally just sit down at, like, dinner and talk about. 00:40:29.876 --> 00:40:39.525 But, like, um, you had asked me a truth, and my answer was,"Not only am I bored with my own orgasms, but I'm bored with ours." 00:40:39.585 --> 00:40:39.846 Yeah. 00:40:40.445 --> 00:40:47.085 Now, for people that didn't get to listen to our intro the other day you went through this major surgery. 00:40:47.416 --> 00:40:47.835 Yes. 00:40:47.896 --> 00:40:48.476 I ruptured 00:40:48.606 --> 00:40:49.016 my Achilles. 00:40:49.016 --> 00:40:50.925 You, you ruptured your whole fucking Achilles. 00:40:50.976 --> 00:40:53.275 I was out, down for the count. 00:40:53.885 --> 00:40:54.085 Yeah. 00:40:54.085 --> 00:40:54.976 And I had- Your surgery... 00:40:55.096 --> 00:40:59.025 No, so first of all, the injury was two days before my birthday, so that was in March. 00:40:59.056 --> 00:40:59.275 Yeah. 00:40:59.516 --> 00:41:01.715 And then your surgery wasn't even till June. 00:41:01.715 --> 00:41:02.215 Correct. 00:41:02.226 --> 00:41:16.186 So the level of intimacy that we struggled with from March to June, and then you had your surgery- Uh-huh and then we had to deal with lack of intim- intimacy from surgery June 4th- Yeah to now, which is, what- Post-surgery, which was- which is, what is today's date? 00:41:16.335 --> 00:41:16.746 Today 00:41:16.806 --> 00:41:18.295 August 20-something. 00:41:18.295 --> 00:41:18.945 25th? 00:41:18.945 --> 00:41:19.545 Something like that. 00:41:19.545 --> 00:41:20.565 August 25th. 00:41:20.615 --> 00:41:20.856 Yeah. 00:41:20.865 --> 00:41:28.456 So from March to August 25th- We have had to struggle or, or- 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:31.039 figure out, yeah 00:41:31.070 --> 00:41:31.360 Yeah, 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:33.929 alter I don't have as much power behind myself as normal. 00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:34.860 You didn't. 00:41:35.280

--> 00:41:36.059 You do now. 00:41:36.710 --> 00:41:37.650 But you didn't. 00:41:37.809 --> 00:41:43.449 But it wasn't even just you, and that's what I was trying to really, uh, get people to understand is, like, my toys I was bored of. 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:43.840 Yeah. 00:41:44.409 --> 00:41:50.019 We know- Things- We know that it, it comes down to the internal environment, the external environment, the context in which things happen. 00:41:50.210 --> 00:41:55.070 But the thing that- All of it but the thing that turns me on was you, and you were broken. 00:41:55.329 --> 00:41:55.739 Yes. 00:41:55.849 --> 00:41:59.380 So I wasn't feeling a lot. 00:41:59.409 --> 00:42:01.199 I, I wasn't interested in a lot. 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.329 I wasn't trying to receive a lot. 00:42:03.550 --> 00:42:09.512 I just didn't really care, but that put me in a level of being like,"Well, now I'm fucking bored." I'm bored. 00:42:09.652 --> 00:42:12.152 Like, I'm not making myself come. 00:42:12.342 --> 00:42:16.811 You can't really make me come, and if you do, it is at a, at a very low base level. 00:42:16.822 --> 00:42:17.001 Yeah, 00:42:17.001 --> 00:42:19.211 that was one of the big things that you brought up that I was like,"Okay. 00:42:19.211 --> 00:42:20.692 Well, let's work through that, then." You did. 00:42:20.702 --> 00:42:23.947 Because you were like, you were like,"I still have orgasms, but they're just-" 00:42:23.947 --> 00:42:24.501 They're just blah. 00:42:24.501 --> 00:42:25.751 They're not entertaining. 00:42:25.751 --> 00:42:26.192 They're not- They're... 00:42:26.192 --> 00:42:26.211 Hold on. 00:42:26.211 --> 00:42:27.061 Hold on like this high level. 00:42:27.211 --> 00:42:27.382 Shh. 00:42:27.391 --> 00:42:28.322 They're bloop. 00:42:28.322 --> 00:42:31.021 Bloop. 00:42:31.021 --> 00:42:32.871 And I'm like, oh, well, fuck. 00:42:32.922 --> 00:42:34.512 That was over before it even built. 00:42:34.742 --> 00:42:35.081 Yeah. 00:42:35.391 --> 00:42:37.141 But- So then what was my response to that, though? 00:42:37.211 --> 00:42:37.472 What was my response- 00:42:37.472 --> 00:42:41.461 I mean, you- to you coming to me and saying- You just wanted to explore what that's gonna look like. 00:42:41.472 --> 00:42:41.492 Yeah. 00:42:41.762 --> 00:42:43.822 Um, you were curious and like,"Okay. 00:42:43.822 --> 00:42:45.952 Let me try to figure out your body in a new way." Yeah. 00:42:46.141 --> 00:42:48.271 "Let me try to use toys in a new way. 00:42:48.311 --> 00:42:53.342 Let's try different things that are going to just, like, recharge what I was lacking." Well, 00:42:53.371 --> 00:43:00.692 if you remember, part of what we had discussed was the first things first is, like, let's forget about sex then. 00:43:01.311 --> 00:43:14.012 It was instead of saying like let's fix in the bedroom and all that, it was how can we engage in intimacy in a way that engages the feelings that are close by lust? 00:43:14.012 --> 00:43:16.552 You know that I'm huge on- Yeah the Fucking Intimacy Blueprint. 00:43:17.081 --> 00:43:23.561 Like, Emily Nagoski and her work is, like, one of my core philosophies whenever it comes to sex. 00:43:23.871 --> 00:43:36.282 So w- whenever she had come out with the, the Intimacy Blueprint of being like,"Hey, if you're trying to get to your partner and be sexy and, and, and engage in, like, lust and sex and all that," you don't start there. 00:43:36.521 --> 00:43:39.442 You start with emotions that are next door- 00:43:39.452 --> 00:43:39.822 Yeah 00:43:39.842 --> 00:43:40.192 to it. 00:43:40.202 --> 00:43:46.001 So you in- you find out where your partner is emotionally, and then you find out what emotions kind of center around that. 00:43:46.521 --> 00:43:56.751 Then you start to slowly move them towards playful and joy and things that lead into intimacy, and that was really was what we tried to engage in is be like, all right. 00:43:57.112 --> 00:44:01.152 Let's kinda take a step back from just sex right now- Yeah and being intimate. 00:44:01.362 --> 00:44:03.492 How can we engage in, in connection? 00:44:03.711 --> 00:44:08.771 How can we engage in all of the other emotions that lead towards- To, to, yeah that door of sex? 00:44:09.981 --> 00:44:11.452 I mean, you did a great job with it, though. 00:44:11.751 --> 00:44:12.382 Of course I did. 00:44:13.661 --> 00:44:25.612 No, you're just intuitive, though, and that's one of the things that I super appreciate is I can bring something to you, and you're like,"This could be a common solution, but fuck the common solution. 00:44:25.902 --> 00:44:31.942 I'm gonna come up with 10 other solutions before we get to the common solution," you know? 00:44:32.521 --> 00:44:33.222 I like- Which that is... 00:44:33.222 --> 00:44:34.842 that's, that's literally what you do. 00:44:34.981 --> 00:44:46.581 Well, yeah,'cause I figure if I can make, like, a list of different things to possibly try, then I can review each of those and be like,"What are the likelihood that this will get us where we need to go?" 00:44:46.632 --> 00:44:47.061 Yeah. 00:44:47.501 --> 00:44:48.731 And then let's test those out. 00:44:48.731 --> 00:44:52.211 Let's test the waters with each of these, and if it starts to be successful, great. 00:44:52.231 --> 00:44:53.902 I don't have to abandon the fucking plan. 00:44:54.231 --> 00:44:54.442 No. 00:44:54.442 --> 00:45:07.871 I can go,"Nope, that one didn't work, so let me pivot to the next one." Being prepared in that way is such a freeing experience because you don't feel so flying by the seat of your pants reactional to things, and things can happen more naturally. 00:45:07.882 --> 00:45:15.492 So whenever I brought that to you, though, was there, like, a level of discomfort or intimidation or, like, upset? 00:45:16.822 --> 00:45:17.141 No. 00:45:17.442 --> 00:45:18.621 I, I would love to- Why? 00:45:18.632 --> 00:45:21.061 I would love to be able to say, like,"Oh my God, it was devastating." 00:45:21.141 -->

00:45:31.382 I don't think it would be devastating, but, like, why was, why was there not, like, a Any level of upset, and the only reason I'm asking this is for, like, a listener. 00:45:31.661 --> 00:45:39.021 When their partner comes to them and says,"Hey, I'm bored in our bedroom," and why should they not feel upset by that? 00:45:39.411 --> 00:45:40.931 Uh, this can be a couple of reasons. 00:45:40.931 --> 00:45:43.132 In most of the stuff that I've read over, it's... 00:45:43.192 --> 00:45:46.981 I, I do have a principle that you are responsible for your own orgasms. 00:45:47.422 --> 00:45:47.652 Let me... 00:45:47.661 --> 00:45:48.751 And I wanna clarify on that. 00:45:48.782 --> 00:45:55.032 I'm not saying that coming is up to you and I have nothing to do with it, because that's not the truth. 00:45:55.041 --> 00:45:55.061 Yeah. 00:45:55.112 --> 00:45:57.681 I think that I have a large part to play in that, so do you. 00:45:58.012 --> 00:45:58.061 Mm-hmm. 00:45:58.072 --> 00:46:00.302 But I think it's a shared responsibility. 00:46:00.862 --> 00:46:05.302 Uh, and you coming to me in the first place and saying that allows me to recognize that. 00:46:05.911 --> 00:46:11.302 I think that there's so many of those, like, men out there who are like, who are like,"I make her the... 00:46:11.411 --> 00:46:11.831 come. 00:46:11.831 --> 00:46:13.282 I make this happen," all that. 00:46:13.282 --> 00:46:13.302 Yeah. 00:46:13.302 --> 00:46:20.931 And you go,"No." The context of the scene that you're in, the, your environment and all that is what drives someone towards orgasm. 00:46:20.931 --> 00:46:24.581 So if I'm going to participate it's us. 00:46:24.742 --> 00:46:25.461 It's an us thing. 00:46:25.461 --> 00:46:31.101 So if you come to me, you say,"Hey, uh, the us thing isn't really working right now." No, I don't take that personally. 00:46:31.311 --> 00:46:35.072 I take that as a, a, a level of vulnerability you're expressing to me. 00:46:35.072 --> 00:46:35.092 Yeah. 00:46:35.101 --> 00:46:42.356 You're letting your shields down and saying,"I'm coming to you with an issue." What can we do about this? 00:46:42.626 --> 00:46:44.186 I feel closer to you because of that 00:46:44.295 --> 00:46:50.925 Because I'm able to talk- What- to this with you and you not make me feel ashamed or wrong or embarrassed for bringing it up. 00:46:50.936 --> 00:46:51.275 Right. 00:46:51.275 --> 00:47:01.936 What would drive- Yeah me away is if I somehow, like, later found out that it was all of your, anything you were doing was just faked and you- Yeah were hiding it because you didn't feel like you could come to me. 00:47:01.936 --> 00:47:02.146 And- 00:47:02.146 --> 00:47:03.085 And that's not okay 00:47:03.085 --> 00:47:07.146 yeah, and you felt like you were, needed to play a role in the bedroom, and it was just all for show. 00:47:07.405 --> 00:47:10.956 That- Yeah, that would not be okay the discovery of that would drive me the fuck away. 00:47:11.295 --> 00:47:19.916 But you letting your shields down, being vulnerable, coming to me, and giving me- Mm-hmm an issue that was, that you, that you had allows me to then go,"All right. 00:47:19.916 --> 00:47:20.235 Cool. 00:47:20.246 --> 00:47:21.465 Let's figure it out together. 00:47:21.876 --> 00:47:24.076 Like, let's sit down and, and kinda discuss it. 00:47:24.356 --> 00:47:34.356 I'm not gonna be here to solve your problem, but I'm definitely gonna be here to support you and hold space for you- Yeah and help you feel more relaxed so we can figure it out together." 00:47:34.626 --> 00:47:47.115 And but then that's the thing, though, too, though, is you setting up that level of understanding, acceptance, and knowledge in, like, what you can do moving forward is what allowed me to bring this to you. 00:47:47.626 --> 00:47:48.896 I would not have been able- Right. 00:47:48.896 --> 00:47:49.135 We set the stage. 00:47:49.666 --> 00:47:50.106 I'm sorry? 00:47:50.146 --> 00:47:51.186 I said we set the stage. 00:47:51.226 --> 00:47:51.646 Yeah. 00:47:51.666 --> 00:47:59.545 Like, I would not be able to, in any of my past relationships, talk about this the way that I could talk about it with you. 00:47:59.755 --> 00:48:01.166 I would never fucking bring it up. 00:48:01.405 --> 00:48:02.715 I would just never come again. 00:48:03.076 --> 00:48:03.206 Yeah. 00:48:03.226 --> 00:48:04.326 But I would never bring it up. 00:48:04.485 --> 00:48:04.775 And we've 00:48:04.775 --> 00:48:07.936 had pe- Because I never felt safe enough to br- to have the ability to bring it up. 00:48:07.985 --> 00:48:17.036 And we've had people that we've talked to in the past who have been like,"Oh, I just, I just fake my orgasms, and we just kinda do our thing, and, you know, everything's okay." You go,"But it's not." No. 00:48:17.045 --> 00:48:17.985 Like, I see it. 00:48:18.235 --> 00:48:18.385 It's 00:48:18.385 --> 00:48:18.416 not. 00:48:18.416 --> 00:48:21.096 I don't, I don't wanna just be neutral with someone. 00:48:21.155 --> 00:48:21.536 Yeah. 00:48:21.965 --> 00:48:27.585 I wanna be on cloud fucking nine, and I don't care what it takes to get there, and it takes a lot of difficult conversations. 00:48:27.835 --> 00:48:28.815 It takes a lot of work. 00:48:28.835 --> 00:48:30.465 It takes a lot of fucking truth or dares. 00:48:30.675 --> 00:48:33.956 It takes a lot of stupid fucking conversations. 00:48:33.965 --> 00:48:42.565 It takes a lot of random arguments- To be able to grow continually with someone because, again, I, we, both of us, we're not here to coast. 00:48:43.025 --> 00:48:43.376 Right. 00:48:44.425 --> 00:49:04.476 N- that's none of our intentions, and I think that's part of why we wanted to do this show in the first place is, like, who else are the people that either need guidance to not coast or are like-minded and don't wanna coast at all, and we're just this fun little individuals that they can hear and be like,"Oh, yeah, me too," you know? 00:49:04.775 -->

00:49:18.735 But I think it's a big, important aspect of a relationship is to be able to continue to grow together, and I wouldn't be able to grow with you, truthfully and, uh, a little bluntly, if my orgasms just fucking stopped. 00:49:18.925 --> 00:49:19.215 Yeah. 00:49:19.405 --> 00:49:20.255 I know I wouldn't. 00:49:20.425 --> 00:49:20.695 Yeah. 00:49:20.775 --> 00:49:21.635 Just like you wouldn't. 00:49:21.815 --> 00:49:21.835 Yeah. 00:49:21.846 --> 00:49:39.322 But as we, as we said, if, if you're in a, in a successful, good relationship, feeling the ability To approach your partner with a serious topic and have the knowledge and let's face it, expectation- 00:49:39.532 --> 00:49:39.902 Mm-hmm 00:49:39.931 --> 00:49:49.461 that when you divulge the information that you have about yourself to them is not going to be met with judgment, is not gonna be met with- Mm-hmm persecution. 00:49:49.592 --> 00:49:49.862 Yeah. 00:49:49.871 --> 00:49:57.072 Is not gonna be met with any sort of negativity, but it's gonna be met with the ability to hear it. 00:49:57.411 --> 00:49:57.592 Yeah. 00:49:57.592 --> 00:49:59.092 And I, I may not always like it. 00:49:59.492 --> 00:50:01.452 You may say something that's- Yeah uncomfortable. 00:50:01.612 --> 00:50:15.561 You may say something that I, I disagree with, but my, my knee-jerk response must be quelled in order for me to then really hear what you're saying and then come back with,"I see you and I hear you." Mm-hmm. 00:50:15.621 --> 00:50:26.947 A validation of your emotions, a validation of what you're experiencing, and then inject my own- Knowledge into it 00:50:27.128 --> 00:50:27.487 Yeah. 00:50:28.268 --> 00:50:38.637 Or even just, yeah, knowledge, understanding Yeah And that's been one of the biggest things with us, though, is that you've never not given me knowledge and understanding in what we have dealt with together, though 00:50:39.288 --> 00:50:39.628 Right 00:50:40.507 --> 00:50:44.788 Like, can we just say I can't wait to get my braces off? 00:50:44.797 --> 00:50:49.748 Can you imagine the level of head you're about to get- when I get my fucking braces off? 00:50:50.967 --> 00:50:52.177 I know we've talked about that a few times. 00:50:52.208 --> 00:50:53.097 Oh my God. 00:50:53.157 --> 00:50:53.927 We've had to adapt 00:50:54.057 --> 00:50:56.998 Oct- August 31st, braces are coming off. 00:50:57.907 --> 00:51:01.047 O- off the bed head is coming, man. 00:51:01.608 --> 00:51:02.038 You said it. 00:51:02.038 --> 00:51:03.947 But you were super patient You said it. 00:51:03.947 --> 00:51:04.688 That is on record. 00:51:04.688 --> 00:51:10.177 But you were super patient with me dealing with that Yeah You had to deal with me having braces since fucking January. 00:51:10.177 --> 00:51:10.807 And what's been my re- 00:51:10.818 --> 00:51:11.907 Just as I have 00:51:11.918 --> 00:51:15.307 Well, and what's been my response to every, like,"Oh, I can't do this the way that I'd like to"- 00:51:15.338 --> 00:51:16.327 I know 00:51:16.338 --> 00:51:18.708 is,"Well, let's take a step back- Yeah and adapt to it." 00:51:18.728 --> 00:51:18.938 You have. 00:51:18.938 --> 00:51:23.092 I'm not gonna be the whiny guy that's like-"Uh, I'm not getting the wings""No, but I s- I want this. 00:51:23.092 --> 00:51:23.427 I just really want it, and just do it like that" No. 00:51:23.427 --> 00:51:23.467 No. 00:51:23.467 --> 00:51:23.688 You've been 00:51:26.927 --> 00:51:27.228 great. 00:51:27.367 --> 00:51:33.697 But that's also something that we've been able to discuss, be open about, and it's something that we're like,"Hey, we're looking forward to this. 00:51:33.788 --> 00:51:35.137 I can't freaking wait. 00:51:35.367 --> 00:51:43.117 I can't freaking wait to be able to bend my head over backwards and give you this level of head that I've been wanting, that you've been wanting, that we've all been wanting." 00:51:43.407 --> 00:51:44.068 All of us. 00:51:44.927 --> 00:51:45.878 Yeah, the viewers too. 00:51:45.987 --> 00:51:49.168 The vie- We have vie- I didn't know we had viewers. 00:51:49.527 --> 00:51:50.297 Where are those cameras? 00:51:52.498 --> 00:51:53.148 Anyways. 00:51:53.148 --> 00:51:57.527 Look, this has been a great discussion Yeah I think that we are good to call it for the day Yeah, 00:51:57.527 --> 00:51:57.947 we are 00:51:57.978 --> 00:52:01.398 So for another episode of Naughty by Nature, we're your hosts. 00:52:01.398 --> 00:52:01.847 I'm Dr. 00:52:01.847 --> 00:52:02.648 Casey Sanders. 00:52:02.728 --> 00:52:03.858 And I'm Carrie Sanders 00:52:03.887 --> 00:52:04.838 And we'll see you on the next one