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What's up everyone?
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Welcome back to Kids in the Calling Podcast, where none of us are kids, but we all have a calling, and that is to point people to Jesus.
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I'm your host, Audrey Elle Joe.
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With me today is the full crew of Bolton.
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I'm the full crew.
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Hey guys.
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And Ramsay Pablo.
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Yeah.
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And Luke.
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Oh yeah.
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And Luke Gibson.
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You can tell Ramsey's very excited to be back.
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Oh yeah.
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That definitely wasn't a fake fake exclamation at all.
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Not at all.
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Oh, it's been a goofy day.
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But finally, we get to have all of us here.
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Um, what's the word I'm looking for?
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Announcement is that this is our second to last podcast of this semester.
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Oh, really?
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So this is the last time you ever seen me then.
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Oh next week.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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I'm not gonna be here next week.
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We'll wait for you three weeks.
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So yeah, last I mean next week will be our last one for the semester.
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Then we'll be back in like, I don't know, January.
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I don't know.
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Maybe we usually do it.
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We'll keep you updated.
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Yeah.
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We'll we'll start posting or something.
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We'll be back.
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Anyway, so let's get to the juice.
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Our opening questions.
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Or shouldn't question.
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The opening question today is what would they warning labels be?
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So like we're gonna answer for each other.
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Okay.
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So who we start knowing?
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Like what clue?
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We're gonna go like Hudson first.
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Okay.
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And we're giving them out for like each person, or should we all give out the one for Hudson?
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That's correct.
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I think we do that.
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I think that's what you like.
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You're gonna say yours.
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Something that should have been
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figured out beforehand.
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Yeah.
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So you're gonna say yours, Hudson, and then like I'll do mine.
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Like not in order, but like I see.
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We're all gonna have our own answers for each other.
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Yes, yes.
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Hudson's, I would say just one word spectrum.
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That could be taken a lot of different ways.
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You just gotta know.
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You have to know, yeah.
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IYKOs know.
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All right, Marlene.
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Okay.
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My sense of humor might be too much for your sense of security.
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Why is this so quick?
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I don't know.
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I thought it was gonna be above my head.
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I'm trying to think.
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No, like a label.
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Yeah, like sitting out of here.
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I'm too dumb to understand it.
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No.
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Why did that work so well?
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Um, mine would be Is this one also above my head?
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Maybe above mine is beneath you.
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Um dang it.
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You are your answer?
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No, I actually just don't have one.
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Okay, I don't know.
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Okay, ready, ready, ready.
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This is your label for me.
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Cause nice.
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Is it literal?
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Shattering.
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Is it a joke?
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You'll never know.
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Is it oh wait, are they so we're not gonna move on to Ramsey?
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Chance to sort some things out.
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Um, I'm gonna say suave.
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Suave.
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For Ramsey?
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Yep.
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Oh, okay.
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Oh my warning label for you is all over the place.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Just in everything.
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Mine's on the same course, but it's above your head also.
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Expect the unexpected in the most expected moments.
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Yeah.
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They're so deep.
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I just I can't comprehend the fast spectrum.
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Luke wouldn't pray about these before he brought him here.
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Dude.
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Well, I appreciate it, guys.
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So all right, we're moving on to Luke.
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Ramsey, cut her mic out.
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So, Luke.
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Oh, mine is just that you make your AI call you Master Luke.
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That's a big warning.
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That is a warning, warning label.
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My name is Master Luke.
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Man or machine.
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Oh my gosh.
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That's my warning.
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Is it a question?
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Like, is he a man or a machine?
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Yeah, or is it like warning, man or machine?
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Nice.
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You never know.
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When machine is machine.
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That's my warning.
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What?
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When machine is machine.
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When machine.
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Dude, that's not the warning.
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Washing machine.
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Yes.
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I'm very confused.
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We all are.
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Let's go to Audrey, I guess.
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Alright, let's move on.
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Oh, wait, now it's me.
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Yeah.
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For one of the skip.
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Alright, this one is this one's like Audrey saying it, but not saying it.
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So it's above her head.
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Disagreeing won't go well for you ever.
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I'm never wrong.
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I did say that.
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That's pretty accurate.
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So go with Luke.
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Which is free.
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It would say it would say, I'm just a girl.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Okay.
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Filled with energy.
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That's the warning.
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Thank you.
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Good.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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Well, I'm assisting Hudson's real quick.
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Hudson's warning would be filled with mind.
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And Luke's would be filled with genius.
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And then auto would be filled with crazy.
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What is going on?
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Filled with grace and love and everything beautiful.
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Yes.
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I love it.
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So that was This is why they don't let us get together, all four of us.
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This is why we've been so segregated.
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It's been about 10 minutes of the opener.
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The opener?
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Something like that.
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Let's continue why, don't we?
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Um okay.
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Now we're gonna have this really good transition into the main topic.
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Y'all ready?
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So ready.
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Okay, guys.
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So on Sunday, we had Pastor Jonathan preaching a message continuing, built to last.
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Ooh, ooh, ooh.
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Yes, yes.
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And it was topic, I mean, uh subtopic titled, subtitled subtitled?
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Yeah.
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Title would be built to last, subtitle.
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History starts now.
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He caught a fire layup and smashed a slam dunk for my basketball fans.
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He indeed did.
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Oh my goodness.
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If you if you don't understand, Pastor Jared gave him the layup because that's his layup.
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Pastor Jonathan took it and slammed it.
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Boom.
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Pastor.
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That's for my basketball fans.
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Dwayne Wade, bro.
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What?
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Yep.
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LeBron James.
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Am I allowed to say it?
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Anyway, it was really good.
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LeBron James, yeah.
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You can actually do that.
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Okay, so let's start it off.
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Okay, I'll start it off by saying it was it was a really good message.
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No.
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Um it was really deep.
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Um it really delved into struggling with your past and the legacy that you may feel is left on you by your past.
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And I that's a really important topic.
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Yeah, I agree.
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So kind of like what you just said, like the main overall idea was that your past does not have to determine your present or your future, or like who you have to be, and how this is like I guess the main part, main part, is that like every generation can choose what they take from the last generation and what they're gonna give to the next generation.
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And yeah, I just really liked it because I feel like it's easy to kind of
let that blow, like not even think about it.
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But when you really do think about it, like what traits, what positive or negative traits are you gonna take from your parent to your grandparents?
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And then what are you gonna leave your kids with?
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Are you gonna leave them with your baggage or are you gonna leave them with positive things to move forward into their future with?
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Yeah.
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It's it's kind of like a um a slap in the face almost, like how much you're like when you are getting raised, they're teaching you all of their habits, whether they're good or bad.
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And then when you raise others, whether they're your own kids or just like your like younger sibling or friends, like you know, like whatever is after you that you're around a lot will pick up what you do too.
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And so it's important to watch what you say, and even just like we've kind of talked about this before, but search search yourself and see, like maybe you learned something from someone along the way, and you just and that wasn't a very good habit or godly habit or something, and you that's something that you need to put down and not teach the next generation.
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Yeah.
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One of the things that he said that really hit home for me about this the same topic was you should never just live something you've never questioned why it's practiced.
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So it's like you can't just take on what the previous generation has done just because you must know why you're doing it.
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Like with the story of the guy with he would never park in the garage, and two generations later he still didn't park in the garage.
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And then he went back to ask that grandpa, you know, like, hey, why?
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Why did you never park in the garage?
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And it was because oh, couldn't clean it out, you know.
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My wife put so much stuff in there I couldn't couldn't do anything either.
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Yeah, so this whole time their car is getting like sun damaged for no reason, right?
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Right.
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Yeah, that's a it's a funny example, but that can that can show itself in harmful habits that you've just always had, and somewhere along the way, some conscious that you may have just accepted that that's just how I do things.
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That's that's how I roll, that's just who I am.
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Um I'm gonna have to work around this, and God's gonna have to work around this with me when it's really just something that you picked up along the way.
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Yeah, something that was ingrained in you, and you may need to start letting the Lord peel some of that back.
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And that's why, again, it's so important why if you are the one teaching the younger generation, you explain why you do what you do.
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Uh, I can't remember when, but I think that there was a message on it.
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I can't remember.
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But like explaining what the reasons you're doing it.
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So, like, why do you pray?
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You know, like explain to your kids or your the people around you why you're praying.
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Like, if you're gonna raise the next generation and they we know that they pick up habits you have, and then their habit starts becoming prayer.
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You don't want them to ever be in life questioning why you even pray, but you want them to know the reason so they can also continue that habit with like full on um confidence, I guess.
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Yeah, you could explain it like the point, like the reason we do things with full-on belief, yeah, and knowing how to tell somebody who would ask.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's almost like you have to ask yourself, am I doing this out of pure tradition just because it's been done before and that's what's been passed down to me?
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Or am I practicing this for a reason that's changing my life or changing the lives of others around me?
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Yeah, yeah, I like that.
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Yeah, that's really important because if you've group if you've grown up in church, the tradition, very obvious, you go to church on Sunday.
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Yeah.
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That's a tradition that all of us are gonna get um if you grow up in church.
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Very common tradition.
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I mean, that's what you do as a Christian.
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At some point in your walk with God, um, especially when you start growing up and become a a grown man or woman, that's gonna have to shift from being something that you do just because you've always done, into I'm intentionally going to church on Sunday because I want to experience God or I want to pour into the kingdom.
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Yeah.
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And it has to be with all those things, like you said, prayer can't just be a tradition that you've that you're doing because your parents always did it, or whoever your guardian was, or whoever your spiritual role model was because they always did it.
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It it has to transition into I'm doing this because I want to pray.
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Yeah.
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And then that'll get passed on, like you were saying, the proper way on to whoever's watching you.
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Because if you're just going through the motions because you learned or because of this learned behavior, you don't really know why, that same cycle is gonna continue.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The people who follow after you who pick up from you, they're also gonna pick up that kind of confusion, that not really knowing why you're doing what you're doing.
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Yeah.
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And I like he told the story of that Ben Carson guy, and like pretty much this girl Sonia Carson, she had to raise two children on her own and she was a single mother, and she only had, I think it was like a third grade education, like that was the highest her education got.
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And obviously, it would be easy for her to just kind of sit back and let her kids have a horrible education or turn out kind of not how she did in a way that's like she's a failure, but I'm saying, like, you know, to to not expect them to go get this great education and have great goals for them.
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But her son, Ben Carson, he went to Yale and he became like, I think, a neurosurgeon.
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Something great, like something like very successful.
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And it kind of just shows that, you know, his circumstances from his past doesn't that doesn't determine what his future's gonna look like.
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Right.
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And I think like the main thought around this is what um Pastor Jonathan had said is how your history is an explanation of like why, like how things are or why things are, but it's not a prophecy for what it's going to be, what it has to be.
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And I really like that because who you've been and the mistakes you've made and like what you've gone through does not determine, like it might determine why you are the way you are right now, why you let emotion take over, or why you let this happen in your life, why you think this way, but that doesn't mean that that's your baggage that you're carrying for the rest of your life.
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That's how it's gonna be.
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Like, you don't have to just accept the negative things that you've like picked up along the way.
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That's right.
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Yeah, because your history that you inherit doesn't have to be your destiny.
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And I think that's what um God was really trying to speak through Pastor Jonathan that we all have a history, and for some of us, that history can be really negative.
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You can come from a very bad history.
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Um and that's just life.
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Yeah you're you're just born where you're born and to who you're born to, and sometimes
that's that's not favorable.
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And the what he was really trying to get across is what you were just saying, Audrey, is that your circumstances of you know, where you're born, of what those that have come before you in your line have done, that doesn't have to define your life.
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Yeah.
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Um, if you come from a line of alcoholics, that doesn't mean that you are going to be an alcoholic, that you have to be one.
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If you come from a line of you're the first Christian in your family, yeah.
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That that doesn't mean that you that you aren't like someone else in this, like any of us on this podcast who have multiple generations in this.
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Yeah.
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Doesn't mean that someone that they're the first Christian in their entire bloodline, doesn't mean that they're different than us, that we're better than them, that we have more ground in the kingdom than them.
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Yeah.
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Doesn't define any of that.
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There your your past doesn't define what your future can be.
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And that's that's right, yeah.
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That's the a really powerful theme.
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Yeah, and to go along with both of what y'all both just said, um even for like a lot of things, not just the grand scheme of like Jesus or not, e even if you can't get there doesn't mean you should hold the people back around you too.
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So, like the same story that you were just saying, she didn't have more than a third grade education, but that didn't stop her from trying to help her kids know more than she did.
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She would make them read two books a week and make them write book reports that she could barely even read.
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But you know, they didn't know any difference and it taught them more than she would ever know.
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Yeah.
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And it was because she wasn't selfish and held herself back from the possibilities that her kids could have that they were able to go and be more, you know?
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And so no matter what side of the table you're on, it matters your actions and how you treat like okay, it matters what your thought process is on things.
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Like, if she would have thought that she she didn't get a third grade education, her kids had no hope, what would what would really be out of them, you know?
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But since she couldn't get more than a third grade education, that didn't mean that she had to keep her sons from getting more than a third grade education.
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It it like it probably drove her to get them a higher education to let them be better.
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Because I mean, a good mother wants her children to be better than she ever was, you know, like a good parent.
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And that can be difficult.
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I think you can compare that because she was pushing her kids into what she did not know, so her unknown, which ended up making them stronger and making them grow better.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And many times that it's how it is in our relationship with God is that going into the unknown, that's the part that really is the most tricky part, but then we end up being closer to him in the end or progressing more than we ever believed we could from the previous generation or from where we were currently, then then on.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think it really comes down to that, just just like Sonia, it it has to come to a point where you don't let the past hold you back.
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She realistically, she probably had no idea what she was doing, trying to raise these boys as smart kids.
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She she wasn't trained for this, no one prepared her for this.
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Like you said, she was she had a third-grade education, she didn't know how to teach, and yet her son, Ben Carson, a neurosurgeon, that came from a uh what you would describe as a rocky history.
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They they had a rough life, and incredible things came from that.
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And that all started with her decision to I'm not gonna let my kids are gonna be better than me.
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Yeah, I'm gonna push them farther than I was able to make it.
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Yeah, she had to make that.
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Yeah, I'm gonna give them a better upbringing than I got.
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Yeah, that type of thing.
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Um, it has to be that mentality that no matter what you came from, you don't have to be defined by it.
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And I think there's um no greater example than the example he uses, obviously, other than Sonia and the Sons of Korra in the Bible.
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Something that I never would have thought of reading the Bible.
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Like I was I've probably read over that like ten times, and it's like genealogy stuff.
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I mean, what you're just reading through it.
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What what good-mannered Christian actually looks through those things and picks them apart, right?
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But what I'm saying, we read that, and like sure I read it and I look at the names, but I never think deeper into it.
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And what Pastor Jonathan brought up was actually like the kind of the core of where this message came from, he said.
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Um if you read in the Old Testament, the sons of Korah are our Korah, where do we get the term the sons of Korah from the family Korah?
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They were rebellious, and it got to the point where God was like, We gotta deal with this.
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That's right.
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And so basically their bloodline was almost wiped out.
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And I I I don't have the exact verses off the top of my head, so I'm not preaching this like Pastor Jonathan would preach it, but basically, that's the theme.
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They they they were a problem, and this led to them having the the family of Korra, the sons of Korrah, what their history was was re rebellion.
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Yeah, it was they were outcast, that was their history.
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They they came from a line that rebelled against God to the point where God felt like they needed to be dealt with.
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That was their history, and the Bible never comes outright and says in a verse like the sons of Korrah were redeemed.
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But if you look through the genealogy and the records in the Old Testament, you start seeing mentions of the sons of Korah later, where they were serving as worship leaders, they were serving as doorkeepers in high places in the kingdom.
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That's right.
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They were doing all of these things that if you just looked at them from their history, it makes no sense.
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Yeah.
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These are the sons of a rebellious family, they're outcast, and yet they didn't let that define them, they didn't run away and hide, they didn't curse their genealogy or or any of that.
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They they became worshippers, they became workers and servers in the kingdom.
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And I mean, if that's not an example, then I don't know what is.
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Yeah, I don't I don't think you can get much worse in your family history than your ancestors literally got wiped out by God.
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So I don't I don't think you can get much worse than that.
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And yet they came from that and now they're worship leaders.
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Now they are serving God's kingdom.
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Yeah.
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And that's powerful.
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Yeah, I really like that.
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It could have taken one generation to say, hey, you know what?
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I'm not gonna live like that, like they did.
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I'm gonna be the determining factor for the future.
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Yeah, I'm gonna change the trajectory, I'm gonna live differently to push that newer sense and that newer label of who we are.
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Yeah.
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Because like that's a crazy example, but you can so often find yourself in that situation where you feel like you don't you don't deserve to serve in the kingdom.
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You feel like that.
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You don't deserve to to be where someone else that's grown up in this has been.
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I mean, imagine how a young son or daughter in that family could have felt thinking of what their ancestors have done, how they were wiped out because of their rebellion.
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How easy would it have been for them to truly believe that, you know, who am I to serve God?
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Who am I to try to sing?
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Who am I to become a worshiper and serve and acquire or become a worship leader?
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Who am I to even think about doing that?
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Yeah.
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You can so easily let your history dictate your life, and that's not what God wants for you.
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You don't have to be held down and shackled by that.
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Yeah.
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That's right.
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Very true.
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Yeah.
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I liked um he started talking about the three main points that he had.
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Uh-huh.
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Um, the first one was be sure that your example doesn't undermine your teaching.
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So basically, like your actions speak louder than your words.
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You can teach the right principles, but you could show completely different things than you're saying.
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And it is so easy to have kind of like a double standard for yourself.
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Like, okay, I'm gonna teach this, but I'm not gonna live it.
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And that's one thing that I think we've all talked about before, probably on the podcast, how you know, now that we're on a podcast, it's important that we aren't hypocrites, that we don't come on here and we say, This is how you live in the light, and then we go live in darkness and we go do complete opposite of what we say.
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That's how you know that Pastor Jonathan is a he practices what he preaches because way back when we first started this podcast, he sat down with all of us in his office and was like, you know, now that y'all are out there and y'all are speaking this, you you gotta live it.
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Yeah.
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Um, and so that's his credibility.
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But yeah, it's your point that that yeah, you you have to live what you preach.
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Yeah.
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And he used that, he tied it into the
whole, you know, about the past and the generations by saying, like, that the attitudes that we show to our future generations is what they're gonna take with them.
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Like, like, and then he started talking about, I think, the seed of resentment or bitterness or something.
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And he said that a seed of resentment in one generation produces a harvest of rebellion in the next.
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Yeah.
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How what we teach to our generations to come is what they're gonna teach to theirs, and it only gets worse.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like if we teach slight bitterness, like it said, it's gonna go to resentment.
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I mean, to resentment and then to rebellion, and it's just gonna get worse worse and worse and worse.
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Yeah, they're gonna the people who take from you, whether that be your kids or just younger people who are influenced by you, they're gonna be influenced by everything.
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Yeah, you can teach them and say, You have to pray.
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Prayer is important, but they're gonna watch how you respond when changes happen in the church, they're gonna watch how you respond to.
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Any problems or drama or issues that go on with the body, how you respond to that, how you react.
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They're gonna watch how you react to leadership, how you react to correction.
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And if you're not living up to what you're preaching, that's just gonna compound into confusion in how they live.
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Yeah, that's right.
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They may get to the point where they're praying, but they just naturally feel uh competitive towards church leadership, and they may not even know why.
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And it's because when they were a kid, when pastor changed something, you didn't like it, and you may have never said something like that in the church, but in your own house you showed it.
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That was such a good point that he had said that I really can go for anything.
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They're gonna watch everything and and the smallest little things, and this isn't just pointed towards parents.
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If you're a young person, 15 years old in your church, the 10-year-olds, 11-year-olds, they're gonna be watching from you, they're gonna be learning from you.
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And it may seem like a lot, and I'm not trying to scare you with the this huge burden of responsibility, but just know that keep it on your mind.
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There are people watching.
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Yeah, whether you know it or not, there are people that are going to be influenced by you.
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Not gonna lie, I agree everything with what Hudson just said, but I do think that it is sorry, I just hit you.
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I do think that it is a big burden.
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No, I do think that it is a big burden.
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No, I mean like it it isn't something to just kind of push off.
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Like, I feel like it's almost kind of what happens so often is that it isn't that big of a deal to do that.
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Oh, yeah, no, I wasn't saying to push them off.
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I'm saying that like don't let that scare you.
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Yeah, just know that that's happening.
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But know that it is a big burden.
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Like, whatever is important.
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Yeah, whatever you say around others truly does matter because it may be a group of friends even that don't even go to your church, but you said one thing about somebody in your church or about somebody who is on the the staff at your church, and then they go to your church one day and they're like, Oh, that's the person you're talking about, that's blah blah blah blah blah.
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Yeah, and it's like it's setting a bad example for the the family of church, like the family of um of your church, like that's your your community, and you're talking bad about them to people outside your community, you know, and it's imagine how confusing that is too you have this person reaching out to you, um, you as someone in the world that isn't in church, you have this person reaching out to you trying to get you to come to church, but the next sentence they're talking bad about their church.
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Like it's what an example is that.
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Why would I want to why would I want to go there?
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Yeah, yeah.
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But yeah, I really enjoyed that point when he said it too.
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Um and I think the key to making sure that we don't do that, and like you you could be thinking probably right now as a listener, like, man, like how do I make sure I don't do that?
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Like, even in the small things, like because you know I'm gonna mess up, I'm gonna do one thing wrong at some point.
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Well, yeah, you will, but there's one thing that he said during the sermon that really caught my attention.
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It said, fall he said, fall in love with God.
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Don't follow this because you don't want to go to hell, fall in love with it.
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And that just that's a testament to what he was talking about the whole time is that you know, if your heart's there and you know why you're doing what you're doing, what you're practicing, then it's a part of who you are.
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Yeah, and then you can't fake that, right?
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You can't fake that, and then also it's gonna spill out to those around you.
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And I mean, you're less likely to make a mistake whenever you're in love with what you're doing.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um, another point he said when he was talking about that was um to love what you do, you have to submit, you know?
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Yeah, you have to submit to God to start growing a relationship with him and and truly fall in love with him.
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But submission's also not easy.
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And a point he made that was so good was he said, if it was easy and you wanted to do it, it's not submission.
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Because submission is hard for you to do, you know, like you don't want to have to um I don't like you don't it's not something that's gonna be an easy yes.
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Like giving up anything means that you have an attachment with it, so it's not going to be easy.
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But if God asks you like give up, I don't know, what something like like give up to social media or TV?
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Like is it gonna be impossible?
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No, can I do it?
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Yes, but is it gonna be kind of hard?
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Also, yeah, that's the point of a sacrifice, yeah.
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Yes, exactly.
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It's the submission is a sacrifice in it, and that's what's so important, you know?
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Like to grow that relationship with God, to fall in love with him so much.
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In order to grow that relationship and fall in love with what what Jesus is and praying with him and spending time with him, it is gonna take that that hard step, you know, the submission to break yourself down, dire to yourself in order to live for God and not for yourself, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, because that's the beginning of all this.
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Like Luke was saying, to to really have that foundation, it has to come from a love from Jesus.
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Yeah.
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To have that that love, it submission's a part of that.
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It's tied into that.
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You can't just not have it.
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So it's like a walk down, like a boom boom.
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Walk them down, yeah.
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Walk him down.
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Um, another point, kind of we're kind of skipping around, but the second point that he made was what has been passed down does not have to be passed on, which is kind of like what we've been talking about, like breaking generational patterns, but just basically like think about how many of us are carrying something that you know doesn't belong to us.
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Like that's something that we got from a a previous generation.
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Like, we all have something, because nobody's perfect.
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We all have some kind of negative quality that we've just learned, and that's just how life goes.
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But sometimes we give like he said this too.
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Sometimes we give the enemy too much credit for things.
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Yeah, like sometimes we're like, oh man, it's the the enemy making me do this, but really it's just something that like we learn from like our our great grandma when we were.
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Being exposed to it, you know, yeah, like just being exposed to the environment.
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Yeah, and like it's not even big things, it could be things like like anger or like too like emotions, letting emotions take control of things or low self-esteem.
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You see that a lot, especially in this generation, like very much my self-image and like oh, I don't think I'm pretty enough, I don't think I'm like skinny enough, I don't think I do this right.
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Like it's just a thing that we're seeing, I feel like a lot more than it used to be.
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So I don't know.
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I feel like there's always like some version of that in each generation, and it's just well, I just think what I'd just say is I believe that's true because of the culture that we have with social media.
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Oh, yeah, you're not just being influenced by parents, you're being influenced by for some kids as young as like four, by the entire world basically.
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So many all in one.
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And so that feeling of I'm not enough or I'm not that or I'm not as good as this, or just anything that you can take in, that's just compounded by all the different influences that you get.
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And that's that that can be very harmful for who you grow up to be.
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That's right.
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Yeah.
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No social media kids at all.
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Just getting out of here.
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Until you're at least listen to your parents.
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Disclaimer.
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Yeah.
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But basically, just um he kind of made that point saying change what's being like, change the negative things that are being repeated.
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Like if you catch yourself having anger problems because you saw it from your parents.
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.680
No, we're not calling out any parents, but like you know what I mean?
00:29:01.839 -->
00:29:04.799
Yeah, but like this feels like very like parents are bad and either.
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:08.319
I know I know, but it's just like don't pass that down to your kids.
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:09.359
Like identify it now.
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:10.319
That's kind of what we're talking about.
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:10.720
Yeah.
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:13.200
And it's kind of it's very much now a parenting episode.
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:14.480
Like, I don't know what's happening.
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.160
None of us are parents teach your children.
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:18.799
But it's just like I'm only gonna say what Pastor Jonathan said.
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:19.359
Yeah, exactly.
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:20.240
He's a parent.
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:20.799
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:21.680
He knows what he's doing.
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:22.720
Yeah, he's your parent.
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:23.039
Yep.
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:24.000
Can't continue.
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:25.359
Dude, that's too personal.
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:26.720
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:34.319
Um, basically, just like what we were saying with every generation, we can all decide what we want to pass down to the next generation.
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:43.599
And I don't I don't think we're approaching it from a from like a terrible perspective because if you think about it, if you ask your parents, they're like, No, you're supposed to be better than I was.
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:48.720
You know, I I want you to grow and be more than I can ever be and I have ever been.
00:29:49.200 --> 00:30:04.000
So I think this is more from the perspective of progressing and growing closer and closer and closer with each generation, not saying, like not putting down or putting back the old gener older generation's ways or a certain thing that they did that we don't do now.
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.279
You know, it there's a time and a place and a season for everything.
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:18.000
Yeah, so I think if you take anything from it, it's just be aware that no matter who you are, whether you're the parent, the child, or just anywhere in between, they're influences.
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:20.319
You're influencing people, you're being influenced.
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:22.880
So you just gotta be aware that that's happening.
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:28.000
It can be mindless things, it can be the way that you see and talk about yourself.
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:33.759
Yeah, and the people around you pick up on that, and then years down the road, they have self-image problems as well.
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:42.160
You just gotta be aware that it's gonna sound like I'm calling people selfish, but not everything that that's going on is to you.
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.440
It's the people around you are gonna be affected by that as well.
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:46.799
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:08.400
And actually, if you think about it,
a big theme of this is that faith must become action.
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:14.799
So it's and that brings us like to the idea that we've had in James before with like faith without works is dead.
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:21.279
Yeah, you know, so it's like we have to make sure that we have both components and in the right place, you know.
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.200
Yeah kind of like you making a gumbo.
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.240
You gotta have everything, you gotta have everything right, right proportions, you know.
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:26.960
That's funny.
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:28.559
You see, I really like that.
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.079
That um that what did you just say, Luke?
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:32.720
Gumbo.
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:34.000
Faith must be not that action.
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:35.039
Thanks, Francis.
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:35.920
Gumbo.
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.599
We know where bro's mind is.
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:39.359
Yeah, faith must become action.
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:51.359
I think that's really important for what we're talking about because there's a difference between say that you just have anger issues and you always thought that was because of how you were raised, and you thought that was just that.
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.279
You can recognize that.
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.200
Maybe you're just recognizing that after listening to the message or hearing the podcast.
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:07.200
But if you don't, you know, take the step of faith to realize that you can change and actually take that step and change and let God work in you, then you're kind of just right where you started.
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.920
You just know what's going on now, and that's not where you need to be.
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:19.200
Um, you can come from your past and recognize that you know, maybe this is coming from my past, but you also have to take that step and break that.
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.880
Yeah, it doesn't do you much good if you just know what's going on.
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.200
Um, you have to also take the step.
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:27.920
You can't know what's going on and just accept that as part of you.
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.920
You gotta take that step of faith.
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:30.559
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.240
And you can kind of apply faith must become action to your everyday life.
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:35.039
At least I can.
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:44.799
Like for me, if I have a really difficult test coming up, I I have to first believe that I can pass it, I can understand the material before I go and start doing it.
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:45.200
Yeah.
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:51.759
Because I mean, you could like some people just just start, but for me, I really have to have a good mindset going into it.
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:56.000
Like, hey, I'm gonna put in as much work as I can, I'm gonna do as much as I can.
00:32:56.079 --> 00:33:02.559
Yeah, I'm gonna act to the best of my ability on this this subject, and I'm hoping and praying that this is gonna work out.
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:04.559
Yeah, you know, yeah, 100%.
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:05.440
I like that.
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:06.559
I agree.
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:15.920
Um, going back into one of those um the the things we were talking about like the examples of the examples, yeah, of like pass down traits.
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:17.279
Yes, yes, yes.
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:22.400
Um one of the ones he said that really kind of stood out to me was um you can't have selective obedience.
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:32.960
And that one's super important because I feel I feel that happens a lot is you read something, you kind of make an excuse for it, and you decide that you're not gonna live it.
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:38.480
And then your kids see that, or your family or your sister, or your friends, and they're like, oh, you know what, if they're doing it, why can't I?
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.680
Or maybe they're doing it like I can do it too, you know.
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:48.240
It just creates this this this world of questioning, and I I don't know.
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:54.880
I know what you're saying because it's it goes deeper than just that one scenario where you had selective obedience.
00:33:55.039 --> 00:34:00.640
Say like you're talking about from like reading the Bible and selectively being obedient to something.
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:09.039
Yeah, it it it's not just gonna be that that one thing that you choose to be selectively obedient on, like you were saying.
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:16.079
Maybe you read it and you just decide for yourself that I don't really need to follow that, and it's not a heaven or hell issue, and you push on.
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:27.280
Well, people being influenced by you, especially if you're a parent, your kids see that, and they're not just gonna inherit that one thing that you decided we don't have to follow that, or I don't have to follow that.
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:34.000
They're gonna inherit the mentality of if this pushes me, I can work my way around it.
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:39.039
Yeah, they're gonna inherit the deeper mentality of if I don't really like this, I can't.
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:40.000
Yeah, what can I cherry?
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:40.960
What can I skip out?
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:43.119
That's a good way to put it how close can I get to the line?
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:48.079
They're gonna inherit that whole mentality of it's all right to be selectively obedient.
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:55.679
Um, and that's that's just goes into how dangerous all of this is because it's always gonna be deeper than just what you think.
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:56.320
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:11.920
And like with that, looking at myself, is it got me with all the points which um we'll get to in a second, but it got me thinking, like you you can't risk the next
generation's salvation by being lax in our soul, like by being.
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:17.119
But just small areas, yeah, in our salvation or in our lives or our walk with God.
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:23.599
Like, we can't we can't risk having our family line of Christians stop here, you know.
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:31.679
Like, I don't I don't want that to happen, and so it just made me kind of realize like there's a lot more to them what we just normally think, yeah.
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:44.079
Because yeah, I was gonna say that it really plays into each other because I think another one of the the specific examples like you were saying that he brought up was excusing your bad behavior, or something like that, I think.
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.159
Something like that, yeah.
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.280
But that can play in directly into the message.
00:35:49.599 --> 00:36:00.480
You can have a habit from your past that you grew up with and you've accepted that and it's a bad habit, but the way you say it is, oh, that's just how I was raised, that's just how I am.
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:01.840
Yeah, justifying it.
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:07.039
That can compound into your kid inheriting that mentality.
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:12.800
Yeah, they're not just gonna inherit the oh I I get angry because our family has an angry streak.
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:16.639
They're gonna inherit the mentality that you can explain away your your faults, yeah.
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:18.639
And you can't justify it.
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.920
And I like again, it it's it it runs deep.
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:23.760
That's just the point that I'm trying to hit at.
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:25.840
Yeah.
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:35.679
Yeah, and like I know we've covered a couple of the things from the list, but there was a couple more that we that we can go through and like talk about like about picking and choosing.
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.199
That's kind of what this list was about.
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.519
Number one was uh questioning authority, yeah.
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.960
And then there's the one that Ramsey kind of started and talked about was selective obedience.
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.400
Then there's resentment of correction, that's a big one.
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:55.679
Um four, entitlement, and then five, what you were just talking about, Hudson, justifying our bad or negative attitudes, yeah, or negative things.
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:01.280
Yeah, because some of those can really compound throughout generations, throughout influence, it grows.
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:14.400
Um like if you're questioning authority, say Ramsey, I had an issue with your dad and the way he was running the church, and I have kids, and that's kind of the conversations I have with my family behind closed doors.
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:24.159
My kids aren't just gonna grow up and have a distaste for your dad, they're not gonna trust church leadership, period, as
much as they should, and that's how that's gonna grow.
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:30.719
Um so all of these things, they're just gonna compound stronger into the people you're influencing, and that's what you have to keep in mind.
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:37.920
Yeah, and I think that'll it'll cause you to question more than just authority, it'll cause you to start questioning God's authority in general.
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:49.199
Like, you know, like because those are men of God or leaders of God, women of God, whatever the authority is in that that area you're questioning is is God's authority, you know.
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:55.519
Like then you're starting to question much more than just like the leaders of the church, and it's it's crazy.
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.599
It's crazy how like deep things are.
00:37:58.239 --> 00:37:58.719
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:58.960 --> 00:37:59.519
It's terrible.
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.000
I mean, because you could become the seed of disunity, yeah, literally, in your church.
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:15.599
Yeah, and like there's so many examples we can pull from, but I think it all just it goes back to the central point that you have to be aware of the seeds you're playing.
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:21.599
I like what you just said, uh Luke Luke, and it's not just about a seed of disunity, it's seeds in general.
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.480
No matter what you're doing, to the people watching you, you're planting a seed.
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:25.039
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:28.239
Yeah, even if you aren't actively thinking about it, you're planting one.
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:33.840
Yeah, and that seed can be good and benefit those people, or it can be bad and it can harm them.
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:35.920
You just always gotta be aware of that.
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:38.239
Um, I feel like that's that's a real pull.
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:44.800
Um, one of the core like themes of this message is that you're always planting seeds for the next generation, and that's true.
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:46.480
You have to make sure it's good seeds.
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.840
That's your responsibility as someone that's passing that on, is you have to make sure that you are planting good seeds.
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:53.199
That's right.
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:54.000
Yeah.
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.519
The other one was uh resentment of correction.
00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:57.920
Yeah.
00:38:58.639 --> 00:38:59.840
That's just a big one in general.
00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:04.320
Yeah, kind of like what we were talking about, but the way you handle correction, you gotta be teachable.
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:05.519
Yes.
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:06.960
Yeah, I love I love saying that.
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:08.800
Like you have to be teachable, you have to be willing to learn.
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.480
I mean, literally in every aspect of life, you're gonna fail if you're not willing to be taught.
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.840
If you think you know it all, then I don't even know what to tell you.
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.199
Obviously, I can't tell you anything because you think you know it all.
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:25.039
But you're the definition of like P A H A H A H.
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:28.320
Like what?
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:34.400
You've done it like four times P A H A H P H.
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.239
Anyway, but yeah, wait, remind me what it was.
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:43.360
Uh the last one?
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:44.400
No, the one we just talked about.
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.159
What is the Oh resentment of correction?
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:47.280
Resentment of correction.
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:49.599
I mean, yeah, that's not good.
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:51.440
That one's pretty straightforward, I feel like.
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:51.679
You know?
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:53.199
Yeah, it is pretty straightforward.
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:54.800
I think these are all straightforward.
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.760
And then there's the last one is an entitlement.
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.199
Bro, in honor of Thanksgiving coming up.
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:13.360
I think we should talk this intro that it's it's crazy to ever like even have a split second thought that like of being unthankful, ungrateful of what you have.
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.480
Like, because like who are we to complain about anything?
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.320
Because we were not Jesus having to suffer through this, yeah, and we don't have to suffer through it because of him.
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.320
And so just for that reason alone, we should be thankful for anything we have and for anywhere we are.
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.000
And what's the quote he said?
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:30.880
Somebody give it to me.
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.320
Um never get it wasn't bold.
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:35.360
Hold up, I'm gonna find it.
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:35.840
I have it.
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:37.119
Oh, you have it, say it.
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:38.079
I can't find it.
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:39.519
Never surrender.
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.199
Oh, never start thinking for a minute that you deserve any of this.
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:43.599
Yeah.
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.719
Literally, my drop, my jaw, I think, dropped right there.
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:54.960
I think I was like, and if that's a tough pill to swallow and that kind of gets you worked up, then you probably need to pray about it.
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:59.599
My favorite thing is when you do that, you probably need to pray about it.
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:02.000
You probably do.
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:04.320
I'm gonna let you reflect and get to that.
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:05.840
I'm not gonna say go pray about it now.
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:06.000
Right.
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:06.880
I'm not your pastor.
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:07.840
I'm just gonna put it out there.
00:41:08.159 -->
00:41:12.320
You probably should probably should consider praying about pride.
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:22.960
And then even when you think about it, like many times if you're not thankful in a moment or in a day or whenever, whatever, it's usually just a lack of perspective.
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:30.159
If you step back and you start thinking about all the good and all the bad in your life, you're like, yo, what was I thinking?
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:30.559
Yeah.
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.920
Sometimes you just need like the mental reset, you know, like you know, like I'm I'm doing great.
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:37.199
My life is amazing.
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:43.679
Well, you just consider if you want a quick one that we can go to church on Sunday and Wednesday and people don't kill us for that.
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:45.039
Yeah, we have religious freedom.
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.440
Um get persecuted.
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:47.920
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:57.360
We live in America, which by no matter what your opinions may be, by the standards of like the entire earth, modern day, very good country.
00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.280
Yeah, I mean we're doing great.
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:00.880
Yeah, yeah, but yeah.
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:07.280
I think oh no, I was just putting that out there that that's just a quick little like Luke was saying, that perspective.
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:13.599
Yeah, well, like another thing to add to that is is like how many blessings do you have in your life?
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:23.280
And it's like you didn't do anything to deserve those blessings, and that's what's also the great thing about blessings is that they're a gift that we didn't deserve, but it's because God loves us anyways that we get.
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:23.679
Yeah.
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:29.039
And I don't know, it's just so easy, I feel like, to lose perceived to lose perspective, like you were saying.
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.159
Because we can get so caught up in our our own world and our own hotel.
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:32.800
In the day.
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:34.000
In the day, yeah, exactly.
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:39.039
Like maybe you had a long day at work, it was really bad, but you think that you deserve to get home one time.
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:46.239
And so the people going slow on the road, you're like, I I don't deserve this, you know, like I need to get home.
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:47.280
And I'm not pointing fingers.
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:50.159
But I'd be able to move on.
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.360
I'm not pointing any fingers now.
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:51.920
I'm playing.
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:52.400
I'm joking.
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.639
That's a I feel like that's a thing that we all can experience a lot.
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:59.679
It's just like the small things, like, I deserve to be home right now, or I deserve to not have to go through this.
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:02.719
And it could just
be something small like that.
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:04.719
But like you're in a car, my guy.
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:06.880
You're on like you are on a big job.
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:07.440
You have a home.
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:08.159
Have a job.
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.079
Yeah, like you have a home to go home to.
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:11.440
I like that.
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:17.039
Yeah, but I mean, obviously, if you don't know that was a joke at Hudson because he gets road rage, but not really.
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:18.400
He talks about joking with me.
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:25.360
Is that in five o'clock traffic coming home from work, if you're going 20 under, I question your home life.
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.199
I just leave it at that.
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:28.400
I'll just leave it at that.
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.320
I I question why you go so slow.
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:31.679
Why do you not want to get home?
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:32.559
That's all I question.
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:34.559
And we won't talk about it anymore because we need to move on.
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.760
It's probably because somebody's not listening to happy life, happy life.
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:38.480
Exactly.
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:40.880
I don't listen to that either, but exactly.
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:01.840
What have we been talking about?
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:02.400
The sermon.
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:02.800
Yeah.
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.199
To you know our section of James for the day.
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.960
But instead of a section of James, we cite you out, we're doing the entire book.
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.159
Yo, yo, yo, we're done.
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:11.760
Start to finish now.
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:12.559
Every one of them.
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:21.119
No, so we're gonna cover kind of um like main topics like divided life, um, what it could look like today, double-mindedness, just things like that.
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.400
So um, if you guys have any thoughts on that, you could start us off.
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:34.079
I mean, right off the bat, I have double-mindedness because I mean you just said it, yeah, but that's like a key theme throughout every single part.
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:38.320
That um that double-mindedness and a divided life, those go hand in hand.
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:40.639
They're pretty much the same thing if you look about it.
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.480
Yeah, look about it if you look at it.
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:43.280
Um look about it.
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:44.719
It's been a long day, bro.
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:54.000
Um but James hits on that over and over so that the entire book, the dangers of living a divided life, examples of living a divided life.
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.679
He harps on it again and again.
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.400
And I feel like there's a reason why.
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:03.519
That yeah, one, because obviously God doesn't want a lukewarm Christian.
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.920
Um it it it's that important.
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:09.760
You you have to be all in on God's camp and and that's it.
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:11.280
You can't be wishy-washy.
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:11.679
Yeah.
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:22.320
But um, as I was thinking about you know, this question, why does besides the obvious answer of what I just listed, why is this so prevalent in James?
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.039
Why does why is it in like every chapter?
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:35.599
And in almost every podcast that we've gone over in James, there's been some essence of the dangers of a double-minded life, of how you know, as a Christian you're not supposed to do that.
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:36.320
That's right.
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:42.320
And I think that it's it's because it's not something we think about really.
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:58.079
And that may sound crazy, but I I think it's it's it's dangerous, and it needs to be brought to the mind of every Christian, the idea of living a double-minded life, because I don't like the way I wear it, that it's not something you think about outwardly.
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.960
I'll say that it's it can be easy to slip into that without ever knowing it.
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:09.760
Yeah, it doesn't have like outward like labels like we did for our ourselves at the at the beginning of this podcast.
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:23.599
Yeah, um, I don't think many Christians that end up um say you started off on fire for God, and then five years later you you're in a spot where you're living a divided life.
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:27.679
I don't think you ever thought, I want to live in the middle, I want to live right in the middle.
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:29.199
There's no red flag warning.
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:34.400
Like I feel like you slip into that by by little decisions that you may not even know.
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:34.880
Yeah.
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.000
Um it's and I think that that's really important.
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:52.559
I mean, obviously it's important because James harps on it again and again, but it can be the little decisions like like what Ramsay brought up earlier when we were talking about the sermon about maybe you just let go of some of your convictions.
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:58.159
Like maybe you read a maybe something in the Bible just stops applying to you as much internally.
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:07.039
Or maybe something that you used to hold close as a conviction or a or a tradition or or something you you kind of let go a bit.
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:07.360
Yeah.
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.159
And it can be little things that you lose ground on that you that you give way in.
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:12.719
That's right.
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:17.599
I think it's important to say like like kind of what double-mindedness like really is.
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:21.760
And James 1.8 says a double-minded man is
unstable in all of his ways.
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.760
Double-mindedness is just having divided loyalty between God and the world.
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:26.719
Deliberately, yeah.
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:27.360
Yes.
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:33.840
And it's kind of like it's it's a little different than you know the basic battle of flesh versus spirit because we all struggle with that.
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.559
We all would, if that was the definition, we'd all be double-minded.
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.719
Because yeah, we all struggle, we all have temptations.
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:47.519
It's important to know that double-mindedness does not mean that you're struggling with temptation or that you're having doubts or that you're making mistakes or that you're going through a difficult season.
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.199
It's it's different than just struggling with sin, it's becoming comfortable with it.
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:58.159
Yeah, double-mindedness is like when you become comfortable living in your sin while you're also telling others how to live in the light or how to do this right.
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:00.400
You can't preach the truth, but then not follow it.
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:01.920
Kind of ties into what we said earlier.
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:02.559
It's true.
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:03.039
Yeah.
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:10.639
So do you think that there's a difference between someone that struggles with sin and someone that's trying to live for God and the world?
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.639
Is there a difference between the two?
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.599
Somebody for sure struggling with sin.
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:16.639
Yeah, absolutely.
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:24.639
Like what you're saying is that being double-minded or just struggling in the everyday like a like we like everybody does against spirit.
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:26.239
Like, what's the difference?
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:35.920
If if I'm struggling with a specific sin and I'm praying about it, I'm doing all the things I know to do, I'm I'm seeking counsel from my youth pastor and my pastor, I'm praying about it.
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:40.639
Um it what's the difference between that and me trying to live in both sides?
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:49.199
Because one, what in one situation, in the first situation, you're actively seeking help or to fix the temptation that you're going through, the problem that's happening.
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:51.599
But on the other hand, they're trying to serve two masters.
00:48:51.760 --> 00:49:00.320
The other person is deliberately saying, I'm gonna keep one foot in the world and one foot in the church, and I'm gonna do what I want to do, and I'm gonna kind of avoid some things and slither through.
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:14.559
But what if you're the one who's trying to actively seek help and become a better Christian and get away from the temptation that you're falling into or the sin that you're falling into, there's a complete difference between your goal of getting out of it and their goal of staying slightly in it, but slightly out of it.
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:15.840
I like what you're saying with that.
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:17.119
Like one foot it, one foot out.
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:18.559
I think of it like with a like a hot tub.
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:23.519
You got one foot in the hot tub, one foot out, you're pulling people in the hot tub, which is you know, to church, right?
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:28.239
Yeah, you're you're you're pulling them in, but then you're also playing like rock, paper, scissors with the people outside of it.
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:28.400
Yeah.
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:29.199
You know what I'm saying?
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:29.519
Yeah.
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:29.840
Yeah.
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:31.679
I like that because that's what the people in the world do.
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:32.480
You gotta watch out for that.
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.199
Rock, paper, scissors gonna get you now playing.
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:37.920
But there is I thought you were serious, bro.
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:49.840
There definitely is a difference between someone who's like struggling to do everything right and obey everything because they just can't, and someone who continue just continually justifies why they shouldn't have to, you know.
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.000
It's there's definitely a big difference there.
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:52.480
Yeah.
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:53.360
I like that.
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.719
Yeah, I mean, I was gonna say something, but you pretty much said it all, Audrey.
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:57.440
That's pretty much what I had.
00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:57.760
That's good.
00:49:58.000 --> 00:49:58.320
Sorry, guys.
00:49:58.400 --> 00:49:59.119
It means still your answer is.
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:00.000
No, that's good.
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.519
That means um we're on the same wavelength.
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:03.199
Yeah, yes, nice and concise.
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:04.480
It means we're all doing great.
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:11.360
So, another thing I wanted to think, or I'm gonna just ask you guys, why do you think that you know he focused so much on a divided life?
00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:14.320
Like more than double-mindedness, like divided life specific.
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:15.280
I got you, bro.
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.199
James 4 4, you adulters.
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.000
Don't you realize that friendship with the world makes you an enemy of God?
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:21.039
I say it again.
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.559
If you want to be a friend of the world, you make yourself an enemy of God.
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:25.679
Straight up.
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:26.400
Boom.
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:27.119
I like it.
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:27.679
Yeah.
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:35.920
And then again, I'll just say kind of what I said earlier, but a lot shorter, that it can it can
happen easily through gradual compromise.
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:36.559
Oh, yeah.
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:42.800
That um, like I think you had said it, Audrey, like you don't wake up and decide, oh, I want to be an enemy of God.
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:44.000
Right.
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:46.320
You just gradual compromise.
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:54.159
You over time you move away from your boundaries, and you start considering yourself before you consider God.
00:50:54.480 --> 00:51:03.920
You start giving more and more power to yourself, letting pride seep in, and then eventually you're at a spot where every decision you make, it's you first, and you're not really considering God in it.
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:08.079
And now you're kind of you're trying to you may be still trying to live for God.
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:15.119
Like if you're in this point, you're not outside of the church, you may still be attending church, but God's not at the center.
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:16.960
And boy, oh boy.
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:20.719
Sorry.
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:27.440
Um, what I on a serious note, I've to answer your question, like with Hudson as well.
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:33.119
The reason I think it's so serious and it should be so serious for everybody is because I never want to hear depart from me for I never knew you.
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:40.079
And being a divided life and being the enemy of God, like James 44 says, is is departing from him because you never knew him.
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:53.599
And that is, I think, why one of the reasons that is so serious, because being one foot in and one foot out and being lukewarm, which explicitly in the Bible I can't remember how, but is is not what God wants for us, is rejecting him in a way, you know?
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:57.360
Not fully committing to him is also fully rejecting him.
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.960
And so that is one of the reasons I think it's so serious.
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:02.159
Dude, you know what?
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:03.679
You just saying that like made me think.
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.679
Like him saying, Depart from me, I never knew you, is saying that you never knew him.
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:08.880
Does that make sense?
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.880
Yeah, the whole reason No, no, no, but not like you never knew him.
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:17.440
Like the point, the reason that he has to say that is because you never cared enough to know him fully.
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:17.840
Yeah.
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.000
Well, not that anyone could ever fully know him.
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:24.800
Yeah, but you know, but you never like seeked him with all that you couldn't have that relationship.
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:26.159
I didn't think about that before.
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:27.679
I just hear the verse, and I'm like, scary.
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:33.519
Yeah, and then in a different way, like what about the people that that feel like they're neutral?
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:42.400
Like, like like let's say there's a fence on one side of the fence, there's evil, on the other side there's righteousness, and they're they're on top of the fence, like they're sitting on top of the fence.
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.440
You know, they probably think, Oh, I'm neutral, I'm not, I'm okay.
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:48.480
Yeah, you know, I'm not on the bad or the good side, I'm just undecided.
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:48.960
Yeah.
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:54.159
Well, I heard a preacher one time say, like, if you're on the fence, you've already decided.
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:56.320
You are you're on the enemy's side.
00:52:56.719 --> 00:53:04.400
If you're undecided and you're not having a passion and a love for God, you you have the opposite, which is a passion and a desire for evil.
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:05.599
You're letting the flesh take over.
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:07.039
Yeah, there's no middle ground.
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:07.440
Right.
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:13.440
There is no it's like the age old saying in your relationship with God, you're either moving forward or you're moving backwards.
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:13.840
That's right.
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:15.440
You're never just stationary.
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.840
Um, you may feel like you're just taking a chill little break and then you'll pick things back up with God in like a month.
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.320
That's not how you're drifting while you're being spiritual again.
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:23.760
But you can't just put God on hold.
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:24.800
You're always gonna be drifting.
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:27.840
Yeah, it's like an ocean instead of like it's not a road, it's like an ocean.
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:32.960
Like, think of it like you're sailing, and if you stop the boat for a little while, the waves are gonna take you back out short.
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:35.760
Like, you know, so keep that spirit active.
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:36.320
Yeah.
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:38.400
Keep on sailing, soldier.
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:44.960
Um, another thing is with divided life, what do you guys think that it can look like today?
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:46.480
Like in modern Christianity?
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:47.039
Hmm.
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:48.639
That's a good question.
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:51.039
Okay, I'll think about that and get back to you in five.
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:51.920
I got you one.
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:52.239
Okay.
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.480
Giving more time to sorry, Hudson, that was a funny joke.
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:57.599
I'm acknowledging it.
00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:58.000
Thanks.
00:53:58.079 --> 00:53:59.280
I'm gonna feel acknowledged.
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:00.159
Continue your program.
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:13.920
Um giving more time to the things of the like the things of the world by and like social media, your friends, or just um putting more time into anything but God.
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.639
You know, that's yeah, that's living the divided life.
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:17.039
Yes, you're gonna be able to do that.
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:19.599
Oh, I've got one.
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:20.079
Okay.
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:34.000
Going to school and acting the way you know your friends would want you to act and hanging out and doing the things that even not doing, but like hanging out the way and saying the things that you know you that they're gonna be able to do.
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:40.719
Making the jokes that they would make, and then also going to church and hanging out and doing what they want, playing the part there, yeah, doing the right thing.
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:41.760
Yeah.
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:44.239
I think we've all been there at one point in our lives.
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:56.719
Yeah, you try to satisfy everyone, and yeah, yeah, I'd say that's a very easy, like glaring red flag is that if you're not the same person outside at school or work that you are in church, then that's a pretty big indicator that's right.
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.800
Yeah, yeah, you might be living a divided life.
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:01.119
Yeah.
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:04.559
I think another one that we kind of talked about was following God's word when it's convenient.
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:21.519
And it kind of made me think, whenever I was like thinking of that point, it made me think that kind of, you know, like the things that aren't black and white, like that aren't heaven or hell issues that we were talking about, that's almost sometimes the most important ones because just because something is small, quote unquote, something seems so small and insignificant, does not make it irrelevant.
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:22.079
Yes, right.
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:27.679
Just because it does not seem like a big deal doesn't mean that you should just, you know, let leave it there.
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:28.719
Like I'm not gonna listen to it.
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:29.679
Yeah, that's a good one.
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:37.840
And then it kind of gets to the heart of the issue, kind of what Luke was just talking about being on the fence, is that it's always deeper than just is this heaven or hell?
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:46.079
It's does it or you start ask, yes, when you start asking those questions, what you're really doing is you're seeing how close can I get to the line?
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:47.280
And it's that is so good.
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:49.840
Yeah, it's you're looking at it the wrong way.
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.800
Yeah, it's never is this heaven or hell?
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:54.480
It's would this be pleasing to God?
00:55:54.559 --> 00:56:05.360
Yeah, and so you're just kind of you're kind of stuck in the camp that Luke's talking about where you think you're sitting on the fence, you think you're doing something that's not really consequential, but your heart's completely wrong.
00:56:05.599
--> 00:56:09.199
Yeah, it's always when you start getting down to those those smaller questions you start asking.
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:10.559
It's like, yeah, the big questions are easy.
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:11.360
Do you love God or not?
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:12.000
Yes, I love God.
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:13.679
Okay, the question starts getting more detailed.
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:13.920
Yeah.
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:15.119
Do you want to do this or not?
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.599
Well, I mean, if it's the smallest thing, it's not that serious.
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:18.159
Let me chew.
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:22.960
Reality is by the time you're at the that spot, yeah, your heart's already decided.
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:23.440
Yeah, exactly.
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:24.880
Your heart's already compromised.
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.840
And that's that's what's more dangerous than you letting go of this.
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:38.159
Obviously, it's important, yeah, because it's a rule in the Bible, but I feel like the issue of the heart is a lot more devastating for you than the one issue of is this heaven or hell?
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:40.719
It's yeah, what have you allowed your heart to accept now?
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:41.440
That's good.
00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:44.000
Yeah, I like that little sub point we just walked into.
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:44.639
It's very good.
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:46.000
Cooking, chat.
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:47.199
Get out.
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:47.679
Okay.
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:48.400
Hi guys.
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:49.760
No, he wants to be again.
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:51.360
I do not acknowledge that joke.
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:52.079
Moving on.
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:53.679
Another one that I really thought of.
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:55.840
This is like so me and people like me.
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:57.440
If you're like me, I'm sorry.
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.119
Um, claiming to trust God while constantly trying to maintain control.
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.199
I like people who are control freaks.
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:04.800
Not that I don't want to give God control.
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:05.599
You know what I mean?
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:07.920
But like, I'm very okay, how's my future gonna look?
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:09.440
Where am I gonna be in 10 years?
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:10.480
Like, what's this gonna happen?
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:14.320
And I just I need to I need to know everything, I need to have everything planned.
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.400
And you know, that's just I'm gonna say this.
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:18.559
That's what we're not gonna pass down to the next generation.
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:19.920
We're gonna fix that.
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:21.440
We're gonna have to fix that.
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.519
But that's definitely an example of it.
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:26.480
Well, well, I guess I just called myself out saying I'm living a divided life.
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:27.360
That kind of sounded bad.
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Fix it now.
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.840
But I mean, it's just like real world problems that yeah, we can see.
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I mean, I guess the question was, what can we see?
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How can we see it today?
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Yeah.
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So we're kind of helping you guys find them in yourselves too.
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.800
But it comes along with us finding them in ourselves too.
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:51.199
There's there's actually a verse that we went over in Proverbs, Proverbs 69, the heart of man plans his way, but the Lord established establishes his steps.
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:51.599
Yeah.
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:58.320
So it's like, I think, I think what you're saying, it has merit to it because I think it's good for us to plan.
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:00.480
You know, you know, Proverbs says that.
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Yeah.
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But then over and over again, it shows that as long as we're letting him truly order the steps, we're gonna be okay.
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:12.239
So, like, as long as you take that and you you also take this scripture and you kind of combine them, I think you're gonna be good.
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:12.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:19.440
I mean, Pastor Jared preached that exact point, actually, that God wants you to plan, and I'm pretty sure he used the exact verse you're talking about here.
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.880
Yeah, that God wants you to plan, but I mean you just set it up.
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You can't completely rely on your man-made plan.
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That God's still in control of this all.
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So as long as your plans don't you're not you're not putting God around your plans and you're letting God lead your plans, then say you're good.
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:35.519
But it's okay to make it.
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:36.320
So Audrey, you're good.
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:36.880
You're good, dude.
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Yeah, it's okay to make them.
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Did you may not be divided?
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I know, I was worried.
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I don't know, the jury will decide after.
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.280
Um, I guess did we already talk about kind of like signs of a divided heart?
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Or is that kind of what we've been talking about?
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I would say yeah.
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Yeah.
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:52.079
Yeah.
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Let's see.
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:56.239
Um let's see.
00:58:57.519 --> 00:58:58.719
Oh, another question I have.
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You ready?
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What competes for our loyalty?
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Think about it.
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00:59:04.960
Entertainment.
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:06.880
Okay, that's yeah, that's what I was thinking.
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Say that's probably the biggest one for young people, and especially this day and age.
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Entertainment.
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It's yeah, it's everywhere.
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You you can't escape it.
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Yeah.
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:17.119
Yeah, because it's it's an industry now.
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:21.599
You know, people are making money all this, so they don't care how it affects the people that are consuming it.
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:32.079
I mean, everything we have is designed to capture our attention, and right obviously that's not good for your relationship with God if you're constantly surrounded by things that are capturing all your attention.
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:34.079
If you don't have any attention for God, yeah.
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:41.679
I think it could even be things like kind of like if what we just talked about planning, like if the planning goes too far and it's your how much money can I make?
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What's my goals?
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:50.320
Like putting your goals and your money and your career way above your care for God or godly things, that's when it's a problem.
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:50.800
Yeah.
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:52.480
Well, can you repeat the question?
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.639
Yeah, what competes for our loyalty?
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:55.760
Yeah, okay.
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:56.719
Sorry, Ramsey.
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:57.440
What were you just gonna say?
00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:57.920
I'm sorry.
00:59:58.239 --> 00:59:59.360
Yeah, you're good.
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:11.280
I was just gonna say is I I think it was either the same message that you were talking about or when around the same time is um what's it called?
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Big uh uh extremes.
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Extremes.
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Yeah, got them.
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:20.400
You can have the extreme of what Audrey was just saying.
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.760
Um, planning your future.
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:29.519
Oh, about planning your sorry, I've always said it, which was I lost Audrey.
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:34.400
But no, I get it.
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:35.360
There's there's extremes.
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:36.880
There's extremes to what Audrey's talking about.
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.559
Which was yeah, planning it all out and having uh too much control, but then there's also the issue about not doing anything at all.
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.880
And it's like, yeah, God will control your steps or guide your steps, but I mean you have to take them.
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:48.079
So valid.
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:49.119
Hey, I like that.
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:49.840
No, I like that.
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:51.199
No, not even as a joke.
01:00:51.519 -->
01:00:53.760
Father's daughter, that's what he said, bro, when he preached.
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:54.159
Yeah.
01:00:54.400 --> 01:01:04.480
Oh well, anyways, but I was just it's just it could be with almost with everything, it's the extremes of it all, which is kind of what we we've been pointing out, but I just wanted to reminder.
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:15.840
Yeah, yeah, just I think uh uh one that isn't more so a specific example, um, like you you recognize that you're putting way too much emphasis into your planning.
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:37.920
I think it's it's more of a posture or a mindset to where if you ever analyze and see that in all areas of your life you're trying to f you're you're making the plans or you're you're doing the thing and then you're fitting God around that afterwards, I'd say that you're kind of in the divided camp already because God should always be at the forefront at the center.
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:38.320
Yeah.
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:53.599
If you're making a decision or a choice or doing a thing or saying something, literally anything, and then afterwards you're trying to fit God around that and figure how how this works out now with God afterwards, then you're in a divided camp.
01:01:53.760 --> 01:02:01.119
God needs to be, you don't just fit God around your life, around your decisions, around your intentions, around your actions.
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:05.119
He's he's he's he should be there with you while you're making them.
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:05.760
That's right.
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:09.360
I think that's uh I've I've heard that in a message before.
01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:10.400
That's why I'm bringing it up.
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:20.159
I've heard it multiple times actually that so often we can uh and it it can feel good, it can feel like the right thing to do where we have like in our minds a God box.
01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:21.440
Like God's in our life.
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:27.920
We have a space for him in our life, he's there, we pray, we we go to church, but he can't just be in that box.
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:34.960
Yeah, you can't you can't be dealing with the things of one box over here while God's in his own box and you're not really thinking about him.
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:40.639
And then after you're done with the stuff in this box, you go back to the God box and then talk to him about it and be like, okay.
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:42.159
You go back to the God box.
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:44.880
Yeah, God should God should be in all the boxes.
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:45.599
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:50.480
You can't set limitations for him and then like make him stay within them.
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:52.000
You have to let him take control of it all.
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:52.480
Exactly.
01:02:53.519 --> 01:03:02.400
And I don't know if this goes with your yours, but in young young adults, like one of the lessons that we had, the main point was uh a godly plan is not always God's plan.
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:10.239
So even if if that thing you're you're working around before you get to the way God wants to do it, it it doesn't even have to be an evil plan.
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:17.920
It can be a good thing, a godly thing, yeah, where every aspect of it is a is righteous and you know, just oh yeah, 100%.
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:26.159
I can I can strive to be the pastor of this church and I can have the heart that I want to serve the people and be the shepherd.
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:30.880
But if God doesn't want that for me, if that's not my calling, then I'm messing up big time.
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:32.800
It doesn't matter how good my intentions are.
01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:34.719
Yeah, that's good.
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:35.920
Yeah, I like that.
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.880
You can it's not always gonna be a glaringly evil thing.
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:39.360
I like that.
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:40.239
Yeah, yeah.
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:55.760
Yeah, I I don't know how much we can really like we could go through all these these examples, these these niche specific examples, but again, I think we've hit the key point here that that James, I feel he was trying to get through why when he was inspired by God to write this.
01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:58.159
That yeah, it comes down to the heart.
01:03:58.320 --> 01:03:59.840
Your heart is the core of it.
01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:04.960
Um if you're surprised by that now, then you've been LARPing because that's that's a pretty big deal.
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:06.480
That it's the heart.
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:12.880
Um, whether you're divided or not, whether you're in God's camp fully or not, that's all gonna come down to the heart.
01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:18.719
Um, whether it be issues of the tongue, is that's another thing that's sprinkled throughout Proverbs and James.
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:23.760
The key theme of that is that what comes out of your mouth is coming from your heart.
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:24.079
Yeah.
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:27.440
So all of these things, it's it really comes down to the heart.
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:34.000
And I think that's that's pretty much a that can be like our sign-off on on this part of James.
01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:36.000
It's like it's a big moment, guys.
01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:38.000
We've gone through James, but insanity.
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:46.880
But yeah, it's it's important to recognize that you can't you can't have your cake and eat it too with God if if the kick you're wanted to eat is things of this world.
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:47.360
Yeah.
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:51.039
Um that's a great way to say it.
01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:53.440
But you can't be in both camps.
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:58.960
You can't want to live for God and also go play rock, paper, scissors with people in the world like Luke wants to do.
01:04:59.360 --> 01:04:59.920
Absolutely not.
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:01.360
You you can't do both.
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:06.880
You you have to set it in your heart that you're in the hot tub where God is, where the church is.
01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:10.079
And um sorry guys, that's a silly joke.
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:11.599
Don't go jump in a hot tub.
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:16.639
But no, you have to set in your mind that you're living for God, that then that's just that.
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.039
There's no ifs and buts, there's no compromise, there's no how far can I push it?
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:24.239
It's God's way or the highway.
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:24.800
Yeah.
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:26.239
Amen, brother.
01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:27.440
Loved that.
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:29.039
So did she, apparently.
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:30.239
No, I didn't.
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:34.000
Well, thank you guys so much for listening to this podcast episode.
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Um, I hope you guys, you know, got something out of it, really listened, tuned in, locked in, and apply it to your life.
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:43.119
Because I know we will.
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:43.599
Yep.
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So we'll see you next week, or we'll talk to you next week for the last episode of the semester.
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Bye everyone.
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Bye guys.