บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Making Monorepos Breakproof with Anton Stoychev - JSJ 694

design or interest into the nitty gritty stuff front end, 37 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:07.319 How do we get there? How does the production work? 38 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.919 Like what do we do to make it super fast? 39 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:12.319 But how does that piece work? How do CD ends work? 40 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:15.520 And I kind of naturally ended up doing this kind 41 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:20.400 of thing, which is built optimizations, tooling, optimizing the tools, 42 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.800 making sure they work, and making sure upgrades work. How 43 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:26.520 do we release? How do we upgrade? And this is 44 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:28.800 the sort of thing that the team does. Of course, 45 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:32.759 alongside core stuff like design system. I think most companies 46 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:37.039 have that, like a core team, Like most largish companies 47 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.319 have that, like a core team that kind of serves 48 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:41.759 the rest of the company and tries to make the 49 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:46.000 developer experience either better, faster, whatever you want to call it. 50 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:49.240 That well, I guess that depends on the size of 51 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:49.800 the company. 52 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:51.080 Sure, sure, sure sure. 53 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.039 My previous place, I was on developer team, and I 54 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.800 was also doing a lot of the core stuff and 55 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.879 you know, tools and infrastructure to you sort of the 56 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:04.159 many hats type of things. So I suppose when you 57 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:05.479 get to a larger company and you can have a 58 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:09.039 separate team just for that versus you know, the developers itself, 59 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:10.000 and that would be nice. 60 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:12.919 This is like a natural revolution. I think in previous company, 61 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:15.960 I was like, ah, but who who is responssible for that? Okay, 62 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:18.199 I will be the responsible person for that. So it 63 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:22.199 naturally evolved finally finding a place that has attention to 64 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.439 detail enough to like and kind of treasures and have 65 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:29.240 maybe legacy enough to pay attention to, like, Okay, we 66 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.479 need that team to kind of improve the situation. That's 67 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:34.960 usually what I think what happens like or from the 68 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.759 beginning somewhere. They already experienced that in a previous place, 69 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:39.960 so they set it up from the core from the 70 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:40.319 get go. 71 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:44.800 Yeah, so let's go back real quick. So you mentioned PHP. 72 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:49.439 I came a bit very similar to you. Oh, he 73 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:51.159 started with PHP and I still do a lot of 74 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:55.080 PHP with Laravelle okay, which I love to work with 75 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:56.199 La Belle and you and a nurse. 76 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.280 By the way, I was one of the first few 77 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:00.680 people like a lot of version. I don't know how much, 78 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:04.439 like zero points something. It was, Yeah, it was. I 79 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:08.199 think it grew explosively, like I did not expect lave 80 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:10.479 to become such a I remember the days of zend 81 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:15.080 framework and yes and the such I don't know, like, well, Ei, there's. 82 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:20.560 A let's see. I remember nuke PHP okay, kke php, 83 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:25.360 which is still around PHP nuke pH what that was? 84 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:27.600 I did some of my first websites. I just didn't 85 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:29.759 plane PHP. 86 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:36.120 No SAM SAM framework, no templating, just like combining HTMLA 87 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:37.560 oh god. 88 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:40.279 Well then you're talking about the templating. That just brings 89 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.600 back nightmares because I was at a few years ago, 90 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:46.560 the last the last couple of years that I was 91 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.319 in the droupile world. So I lived in the droupile 92 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:51.040 world for you know, from the That was what first 93 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:53.079 got me in well developments druple because I got tired 94 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:54.759 of writing my own thing like many people, and so 95 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:56.720 I found the CMS and I lived in that world 96 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:02.879 professionally up until probably about twenty ninety. But I was 97 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:09.439 at a very huge, large multinational corporation and we were 98 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:15.439 converting an old website based on Microsoft Server two thousand 99 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.639 and classic ASP, not SP don that Classic ASP to 100 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:24.959 Druple seven with the patch and solar and some other things. 101 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.319 But they had decided, because of the whole fear about 102 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:30.560 SEO and jobascript frameworks back in the day, to stick 103 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.519 with jupo on the front end and the built in 104 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:36.879 PHP template at the time, and I got tasked with 105 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:42.480 caching and I still have nightmares about that to this day. 106 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:48.319 About cashing with PHP templating, I mean, cashing. 107 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.720 On its own, even if you don't combine it with 108 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:54.199 like a CMS, is a mess because it only

takes 109 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:58.279 one person to just forget something or like not to 110 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:01.639 have like guardrails and do something wrong and then you 111 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:03.560 get the productionich right. 112 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:06.199 Well, you know they say that the two hardest things 113 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:10.079 in computer programming are naming things cash and validation off 114 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:14.319 by one by one errors, you know. So so yeah, 115 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.439 I can. I can botch that anyway I can. And 116 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:18.839 then you talk about it six and I can remember, 117 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:25.000 you know, designers would literally charge extra because they had 118 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.600 to accommodate for I E. Six abnormalities in their CSS. 119 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:29.279 Oh yeah. 120 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.120 And then when it finally died, it was at a 121 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:36.720 Drupal con in New Orleans in like twenty thirteen twenty fourteen, 122 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:39.600 literally had a parade celebrating the death of eighty six 123 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:43.120 and micro Microsoft finally said, Okay, we're not supporting it anymore. 124 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:45.720 But the next thing was I E. Eleven. Like that was 125 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.079 like a you know, like there was a phases of 126 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.160 I E. That people were like dreadful about. 127 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.680 Yeah, until you got to edgyum, you know, or you 128 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:57.319 know that's whatever you call the when they finally changed engines. 129 00:06:57.519 --> 00:06:58.959 Yeah, chromium based eight. 130 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.959 Yeah. So yeah, yeah, it sounds like we've been through 131 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:05.279 some of the same same wars. 132 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.360 I think it's kind of like edge based edge based, 133 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:11.759 So once you start web development early on, you can't 134 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.160 even inevitably going through these trenches, which I find to 135 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.279 be super helpful, Like I love to have gone through this. 136 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.240 I like, I don't think of them like, oh, wasted 137 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:23.680 my life or something like this. I think I've gained 138 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:29.279 super useful knowledge even for today's work, where like asking AI, like, 139 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.600 oh can you do this for me? Yes? Thanks? 140 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.439 Right, Remember the days of figuring it out? 141 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:39.279 I mean they're not gone. I can I can spend 142 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.759 like two days talking about my day to day configuring 143 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.560 CD and stuff and like going through documentation, asking KI 144 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.240 together with me and not being able to figure out stuff. 145 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:53.079 So I mean it's not gone, It's still there, right. 146 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:55.800 I had one of my favorite interviews I did on 147 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:59.079 another podcast, Views on Views with Taylor well Blaara Bell, 148 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:04.480 and he was asking us about our thoughts on where 149 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:07.959 Larravelle should go in terms of just focusing on PHP 150 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:10.560 back end or focusing on the front end framework. And 151 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:14.079 we talked about the pendulum switch, where you know, when 152 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:16.240 you and I started, you learned from the back end. 153 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:18.000 You started with a lampstack and you had to know 154 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.160 the back end and stuff, and then you learn the 155 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:23.040 jobscript in front of that, and then you've got to 156 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.079 today where a lot of people get into well web 157 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:27.439 development from the front end from the job script frameworks 158 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:32.840 you know, Angular, use Felt, React React predominantly just because 159 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.480 it's so dominant anymore. And then they don't know the 160 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.279 back end. So now they got to learn the back end, 161 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.720 and how do you know, accommodate for that? So it's 162 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.960 real it's been an interesting pendulum watching the pendulums when 163 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:44.240 back and forth. For sure. 164 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.159 Yeah, I mean I'm just thinking ancessary at the moment 165 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:51.200 because this is like my daily driver the last few months. 166 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:55.759 But anyway, yeah, yes, sorry, okay, So let's get into 167 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:57.840 what we're here to talk about. Then, So you worked 168 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:01.080 for the companies, how do you say? Yeah? 169 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.679 Yeah, yeah, it's like Israeli a US company you PO, 170 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:06.919 so that they're kind of big in the e commerce, 171 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:08.200 right y O. 172 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.240 T p O. In case you're you're you're looking for 173 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:12.080 dot com? 174 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:18.320 Yeah cool, yes, in there we open source something a 175 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:21.320 few months ago and it is something we use actually 176 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:28.360 internally to manage let's say the migrain of upgrading or 177 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:33.720 maintaining tool link working and let's say up to date. Uh. 178 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:37.759 And of course have quality quality gates some people call 179 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:40.960 them code checks. Usually you can see them on things 180

00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:45.159 like GitHub on your prs and basically guarding you and 181 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:48.320 helping you by the way, especially in the AI world 182 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:51.519 where someone needs to put the brakes on on some 183 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.799 of the code or let's get generated. So it's kind 184 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:58.360 of a double important to have some code checks. Of course, 185 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:01.960 you can wing it aka vibe and just see what's up. 186 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:05.000 And then I don't know, I ask another AI to 187 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:08.759 maybe refractory, Sure, but I. 188 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:10.559 Think refactor ais are you? 189 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:12.679 I think so? I think maybe there is a future 190 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:16.320 where we don't care about quality. We just use the 191 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:19.879 model as of today, and then think about two years 192 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.039 in the future, the model will be better, so they 193 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.320 will generate something better and we ask them to just 194 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:26.919 improve the code base. You know, there is a world maybe. 195 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:29.080 Well. The problem with that, though, is the AI is 196 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:30.919 training itself on the old stuff. 197 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.240 Yes, yes, yes, yes, on itself maybe. Yeah. So we 198 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.600 wanted to kind of enforce this and do this in 199 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:42.399 a company that has been around for more than ten years. 200 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:46.240 And I think it's natural if you have projects for 201 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.000 more than ten years or even five years, that you 202 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.799 kind of accumulate legacy. And I maybe in this podcast 203 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:54.399 you talked about it, and maybe I've read it somewhere, 204 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.519 but legacy is not naturally a bad thing. Legacy means 205 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:03.000 you have something working right, true, but this thing that 206 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.159 is working is no longer performance, is no longer maintainable. 207 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.279 The tools that you use can no longer work with it. 208 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:12.960 If you want to upgrade one tool, you're kind of 209 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.519 stuck in this Nightmarrey scenario where you're like, oh, I 210 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:19.519 need to upgrade my e is lint. It's not connected 211 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:21.960 to my code. I want upgrade it, but the new 212 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:24.919 version requires a new version of no JS. Oh okay, 213 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:27.639 So I need to upgrade no JS. Oh okay. Then 214 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:30.080 I need to pay all my other packages because they 215 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:34.120 also need they need to be compatible with a new version. 216 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:38.440 So there's a vicious cycle of upgrades, basically because everything 217 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:41.279 kind of depends on each other and they're all grouped 218 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.879 into one thing. Even though if you think about it, 219 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.159 most of the things that are not really connected to 220 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:50.840 each other, like es lint doesn't use your built stuff 221 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:55.559 like things like es lint, like code checks, yeah, unit testing, 222 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.080 it doesn't use your actual built unless you were talking 223 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.519 about VAT and v test, which kind of shares the 224 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:06.480 same build mechanism. But let's let's say we're talking about 225 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:10.879 web pack or turbo pack, uh, and just they do 226 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.320 their own thing, like unit tests are built differently than 227 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:17.200 the web back, so they actually live in total isolation, 228 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:21.200 like into two different universes where just do this its 229 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:23.919 own thing with your source code, and then web back 230 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.639 or whatever tool you choose do their thing with your 231 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.279 source code. So in theory they are absolutely isolated. But 232 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.559 for historic reasons, we kind of put them in the 233 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.440 same package, put them in the same bag of dependencies, like, oh, 234 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.240 let's put web back, let's put just let's put the 235 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:42.559 way Yeah, go ahead, Wait a minute. 236 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.799 Those are two different things, though, I mean web Pack 237 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.120 and just you're doing two different things, just as you're 238 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:50.519 you know, you're unit testing, your code testing, right, Webpack 239 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:52.480 is more concerned with the bundling. 240 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.519 And absolutely and absolutely taking apart. 241 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:57.440 So I guess I'm confused as to I mean, it's 242 00:12:57.440 --> 00:12:59.720 like you're complaining two different things there, I. 243 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:03.480 Know, And I think this is where I haven't explained 244 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.720 it probably well to have been more clear, but this 245 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.039 is my point. There are absolutely two different things. They 246 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:10.919 have two different purposes and they have like two different 247 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:14.559 universes of building. I think we're on the same page here, right, 248 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:17.320 Like web Pack doing is own thing and just but 249 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.240 what do you usually do? You have one

package jacent, 250 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.279 and all of the gest related stuff and all of 251 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:25.600 the web pack related stuff they live in the same 252 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:29.840 package jacent, aka in the same bag of dependencies called 253 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:34.039 the giant node modules, right like you you kind of 254 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:37.879 combine them together. And there's a weird scenario where let's 255 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:40.679 say you have you found a bug and it's a 256 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:43.600 really nasty bug in jest. That just a scenario. It 257 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:45.879 could be any other too, right, it could be slaint. 258 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:49.879 It could be let's say, even an end to end 259 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.720 testing tool. Right, but you found a problem and in 260 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:55.799 one of great the two only like you don't want 261 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.519 to deal right now. You have other priorities, right, you 262 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.240 have to do a new future or do some actual 263 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.039 product work. But you want to fix this bug. And 264 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:07.279 the bug is fixed in the new version of jest. Okay, 265 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:10.639 is how I get ingested. This is about ingest itself, 266 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:13.759 ingest itself absolutely clarify. But you found it. Oh wait, 267 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.279 in three versions in the future, this bug is no 268 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:21.000 longer there. It's fixed. So your options here is like, Okay, 269 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:24.159 I can maybe live with this bug and document it 270 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:27.000 very well and just try to stay away from it 271 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:33.080 or try to upgrade JEST. And this is where I'm 272 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:35.000 trying to say, there is an actual problem for me. 273 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:39.240 It might have. It's like a dependency management. If everything 274 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.960 lives in the same bag and you want to upgrade EST, 275 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.279 just we'll tell you. Wait, you want to upgrade from 276 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:49.200 version I don't know five to version eight. Okay, but 277 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:52.600 I need a new note dress. I need no Dress 278 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:56.879 twenty seven, let's say twenty four. Okay, this is I 279 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.919 think the LTS version twenty four. But then when back 280 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.879 will tell you, hey, okay, you're graded JEST and no Jess, 281 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.559 but I'm not working with this no Jazz version like sorry, no, 282 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.519 or even worse, you build two links like let's say 283 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.799 you're not a React world, you're Angular world or something else. 284 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.519 Most of those even React nowadays with the React compiler 285 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:22.399 or something was code. They actually have a thing that 286 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.240 runs together with your build. An Angular whole thing is 287 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.320 that they actually control the build. They have a compiler, 288 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:33.879 Anglar compiler, right, So imagine this also tells you, hey, 289 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.399 I also don't work with the new no Jess. Figure 290 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:39.080 something out, figure something out. I am not going to 291 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:42.759 work with this version. And then you end up okay, 292 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:45.000 so I need to upgrade. Also, not only just I 293 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:47.279 only wanted to jest. I only wanted to cread this 294 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:50.240 thing because there was a bug. But now suddenly I 295 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:53.159 need to upgrade the entire framework. And guess what, when 296 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:55.600 you great the entire framework, you need to refractor all 297 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:59.600 your code because there's probably breaking changes. Right, You're probably 298 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:02.919 a grade two versions in the future. So now you 299 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:05.000 end up in this situation where are you either Oh, 300 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:08.159 I cannot upgrade. I'm stuck. I have to live with 301 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.360 whatever I have today, or you have to upgrade everything, 302 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.039 like you have to upgrade all your tools, all your 303 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.320 framework related stuff, all your run time dependencies. Maybe maybe not, 304 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.039 but let's let's say framework at least, right and refractor. 305 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.200 So I'm not sure about you, but I find that 306 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.440 very kind of a scary moment because this is what 307 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:32.159 defines kind of the depth of a code base. You're 308 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:35.159 you're kind of stuck and you cannot upgrade it. It's 309 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:37.960 too much work to upgrade it, or it's it's kind 310 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.080 of an equal to a rewrite, because you have to 311 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:43.279 upgrade like ten versions in the future or five versions 312 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:47.279 in the future. So the effort of upgrading is almost 313 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:50.000 equal to the effect of like let's start something new, 314 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:53.639 something small, as something performant, and let's gradually release it. 315 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.679 Well, I guess it depends on the size of your project. 316 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:00.519 I mean it's a lot of project. Yeah, you know, 317 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.720 larger project that's not even a possibility. You know, you 318 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:05.039 gotta do what

you gotta do. 319 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:05.680 Yeah. 320 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:09.440 I ran it out with Lara Bell you know, on 321 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:12.400 the back and just because I was tasked with upgrading 322 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:14.759 from Larra Belt eleven to Laravelt twelve and my boss 323 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.680 was like, day one, Larrabelle twelve is up, let's do it. 324 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:20.920 I'm like, okay, I'm running into all kinds of dependency 325 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:25.880 issues for the dependencies have not upgraded to, you know, 326 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.240 to be able to handle Laaravelt twelve. And so you're 327 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:32.640 either looking at patches or you're waiting or I'm nothing. 328 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.640 By the way, I'm not sure if it's somebody's watching listen, 329 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:38.200 but I'm heavily noting here because this is it. 330 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:39.640 You can't upgrade. 331 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:43.720 You're kind of in a moment of shit. Oh I'm sorry, 332 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.759 but like I can't move. I'm stuck with whatever I have, 333 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.920 so I need to make it work or start a 334 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.119 new thing. But as you said, you can't start a 335 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:57.240 new thing every time you get stuck, right, Okay, So 336 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.759 I'm gonna offer an alternative to this world it were 337 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.680 talked about the typical scenario where all of your bag 338 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.440 of dependencies you can put in any language here by 339 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:09.880 the way, like Laravel, like it's all the dependencies, Python 340 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.400 with all the dependencies. But here the open source that 341 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:17.119 I'm talking about breakproof dot depth, which is just a 342 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:23.519 gidab repositor readirects there basically offer the following concept. Okay, 343 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:27.440 in the JavaScript ward and the JavaScript world of dependencies, right, 344 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.279 what we are used to is this bag of dependencies 345 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:36.000 not modus. Okay, but what if we can isolate each 346 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.319 tool with its own dependencies and its own node jazz version, 347 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:45.200 separate from the everything else but still be able to 348 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:50.720 work together. Okay. So let's say typescript or Jest has 349 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:55.039 its own list of just plugins, just configuration, right, and 350 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.839 specific note version, and I can only upgrade the note 351 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.240 version for Jest, and I can only upgrade the Jest dependencies, 352 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:05.319 and this does not affect the node version for any 353 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:07.519

of me any of the other dependencies that are heavy 354 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.640 my project no matter whatever they are. How does that sound? 355 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:16.359 I can already I already have a few questions running 356 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:19.000 through my head here about how you go that, But 357 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.960 I'm hereous well, I mean, just obviously do you want 358 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:26.000 does that mean you have multiple note versions running concurrently 359 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:29.279 somehow or how do you you know? You're saying, Okay, 360 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.920 I can upgrade this dependency from this version not to 361 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:33.599 twenty four. Maybe this one still has to be in 362 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:36.079 twenty two for instance. How you recofy that? But I'm 363 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:37.079 assuming you'll get to that. 364 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:40.839 Absolutely it did, But I think this is useful, Like 365 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:43.279 if this is your first question, super vialent question, by 366 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:45.359 the way, and there is an answer as you as 367 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:49.880 you guessed, yes, this means multiple no jailed versions, right, 368 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:53.640 and maybe immediately you have an interfere of like oh 369 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:57.160 my god, like I have to maintain multiple versions of 370 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.440 no jenis right, But maybe you can actually limit that, 371 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.599 like don't you don't need to have all the versions 372 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:06.119 of notices. You don't need to have like fourteen, sixteen, eighteen, 373 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.160 twenty twenty two, twenty four. You can have like a 374 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:12.000 white list you have like, okay, I support this twenty 375 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:15.519 twenty eight. That's it, Like three white listed ones, right, 376 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:21.039 And this is where we come into the repository. Why 377 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.319 is this open source, like I reposed, this is just 378 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.359 a template for repository. And something we mentioned before we 379 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:31.759 started recording is mono ripples, right, And there are many 380 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:34.559 tools for mono ripples as a whole. Like if you 381 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:39.240 start like research for mono repols, everything will come up, 382 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:43.759 like there's RUSH, there's NX, there's turbo ripple, I think, 383 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:46.119 and all of them are kind of helping you with 384 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:51.039 mono ripples. And we went through them with the team, 385 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:53.640 and there was one that kind of popped up which 386 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:58.880 is actually alternative to NPM, and it's called PMPM. It 387 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.519 is

popular, like, oh, this is I discovered VMPM. Let 388 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:04.160 me tell you about it. No, I know, I know, 389 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:08.519 it's kind of popular. It Actually many people don't realize 390 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:11.440 or at least I found many developers I work with not. 391 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.599 Actually I realized that other tools like NX and other 392 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:18.319 tools like to go pack under the hood, they actually 393 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:21.920 use PMPM or they advise you to use PMPM, so 394 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.519 they're an abstraction on top of PMPM. So you don't 395 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:29.559 have to only learn the tool if you like it 396 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:31.960 or like NX or turble pack, but you also kind 397 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.559 of need to know PMPM because underneath this is what 398 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.000 it's working. Right, So if you get a problem or 399 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:38.880 if you have a specific need, you kind of have 400 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:39.279 to know it. 401 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:42.559 Well, isn't that sort of like in order to view 402 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:47.799 you really sort of need to understand JavaScript, have PHP right, 403 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:50.400 So right, real quick, real quick, before we got too far, 404 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:52.920 can I always like to define terms for those who 405 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:55.759 might not know. Can we define what a modo repo 406 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:59.359 is and give us an example of working mono repo. 407 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:06.240 Absolutely, mono riple is a get other kind of repository. 408 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:10.680 But I'm guessing nowadays git repository that is not holding 409 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:14.559 only one project, but it actually have multiple projects in it, 410 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:19.319 each isolated usually in its own directory, and each of 411 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:23.359 them have their own set of dependencies defined. This is 412 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:26.039 I would say, the definition of a mono repole. And 413 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:28.519 you can work only in one of them, but they 414 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.960 are in the same repository, so everything is kind of connected. 415 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.200 One of the perks may be one of the main 416 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:36.519 perks of the mono repo that you can use other 417 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:42.400 packages within the repo together without going to the whole 418 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.359 process of let me publish that, let me update the 419 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:47.440 versions on all the other packages, et ceter So you 420 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:49.680 can directly kind of depend on other packages in the 421 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.640 same repository. That is mono ripole in my mind. 422 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:58.640 Okay, okay, so if I so you could so far 423 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:02.599 like a company you know, could have different applications, say 424 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:06.519 they've got a view app versus angular app versus whatever. 425 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:09.960 The developers can work in the same repo, but only 426 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:13.480 on their projects and only impact. Yeah, I mean so when, 427 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:15.680 so how does that work? So when you're creating a branch, right, 428 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:18.519 let's say you create a feature branch for your particular project, 429 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:22.359 you're creating a branch of the entire repo just working 430 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:23.160 within your. 431 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.599 Yes, you're creating the ripple is one. So you're creating 432 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:29.640 branches every time on the entire repo. But you can 433 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.960 focus on your think, only on your think. And this 434 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:37.200 is where tools like PMPM work come in. Because naturally 435 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.119 MPM doesn't have this understanding, or it didn't have. I'm 436 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.000 not sure. I haven't followed up to the latest and 437 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:45.759 latest MPM. I'm not sure what it offers, but it 438 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:50.079 didn't historically have the concept of multiple things in the 439 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:52.880 same ripple right, like you have to go there each 440 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.839 individual kind of things. They cannot be connected like NPM 441 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:59.720 doesn't have this concept of connected packages within the same repol, 442 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.880 So you need other tools, and PMPM, I think is 443 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.880 one of the few ones that are super successful. I 444 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:08.799 think MPM has nowadays or for a few versions, something 445 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:12.440 like workspaces, but I haven't fully explored that because PMPM 446 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:15.759 is just so amazing at the things that it can 447 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:20.279 do and performance compared to MPM that there's at least 448 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:23.200 for some years that I've worked with PMPM, no point 449 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:26.960 of kind of switching. So PMPM is a much I 450 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.000 would say faster and leaner and very kind of focused 451 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:33.000 to and can allow you to be super strict in 452 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.279 things in a monopeople. When I say strict, we can 453 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:40.200 go into very much the depths of dependency management. But 454 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:43.799 maybe I can pause here and let you maybe direct 455 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:46.400 me or point me to some questions or directions that 456 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:47.559 are interesting kind of. 457 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:51.519 I've always

been curious what that first P stands for 458 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:52.480 in pm PM. 459 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:57.559 I think it's performance. I am not one hundred percent here, 460 00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:01.279 don't like put me on record, but I think it's performing. 461 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.279 Yeah, I always have the important questions like that. 462 00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.559 So yeah, that's that's kind of your responsibility. 463 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:13.519 So anyway, okay, so now we've established what a what 464 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:16.680 a mono repo is, and what PM in pm PM is, 465 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:20.839 so let's go forward. So what is it? What are 466 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:22.359 you here to talk about? What is it that you're 467 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.519 doing that is somehow enhancing this or what is this? 468 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.759 Uh I'm sorry the break proof? Yes, do force in 469 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:31.599 that environment? 470 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.240 Amazing? Thank you, Thank you for that kind of question. 471 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.519 By the way, I adore the level of ability that 472 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:39.759 you can break down something and you can kind of 473 00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:42.759 keep the conversation get clear and not like go to 474 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.039 bike shedding or something like this. So thank you. 475 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.720 Oh yeah, yeah, I like to make it clear. 476 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.559 So yeah, we establish some backgrounds on PMPM and monory pools, 477 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:54.240 and I kind of try to outline a problem that 478 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:57.880 I see in the typical way of like putting dependencies 479 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.319 in one big list of things that we do. By 480 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:03.640 the way, in mono repos is the same thing. You 481 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.240 can still have many packages, and this is what usually happens. 482 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.480 You have an application, let's say view. Let's use your example, 483 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:12.400 and inside of you you have all of its dependencies 484 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:18.039 and all of its tools, so it will contain just Yestlen, cypress, playwright, 485 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.799 whatever you have, it will be there, right, Okay, So 486 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.359 what is this breakthrough thing? 487 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:23.599 Right? 488 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:29.640 We wanted to try and escape this locking the thing 489 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:31.640 that I kind of the concept that I offered. We 490 00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:35.400 wanted to be able to upgrade one tool, and we 491 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:39.319 face so many situations, I mean so many is stuations 492 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.000 where we wanted to just a break one tool like 493 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.359 linked stage a little too. That helps us with running 494 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:49.519 checks before get commited right or on get a pr 495 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:50.720 We won't just oblive that. 496 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.519 Yeah, I think we use that on my project. So yeah, 497 00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:55.400 I know what you're talking about. 498 00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:57.640 So we won't to agree that. But that required a 499 00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:59.400 new version of not just a new version. I'm like, 500 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:01.920 oh no, we're stuck in the same thing, the same loop. 501 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:05.160 So we we were looking for a tool and we 502 00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:09.720 actually talked with the maintainer of PMPM so don amazing guy. 503 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:10.440 It was. 504 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:16.319 It was an amazing call, and we kind of teased 505 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:20.279 him with this concept like, hey, but what if what 506 00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:23.400 if we don't need Cyprus to be coupled with our 507 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:25.400 other stuff. We don't need just to be coupled with 508 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:29.000 our view stuff. Right, there are totally different concepts, like 509 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.039 if you go back to our previous example web back 510 00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:36.480 and just they're totally different. Can I just be able 511 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.759 to say I'm in a mono reple Package A is 512 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.720 my application. This is why I run my viehw code 513 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:47.359 or React whatever. Right. But I had package B, and 514 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:51.920 this package B is all my JEST stuff. This is 515 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.400 where all my GEST configuration lives, all my plugins for jests. 516 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.440 And what I want to I want to be able 517 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:02.319 to do is any application like package A or package C. 518 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:06.039 If it's another application, as you suggested, maybe I have 519 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:09.160 a view and an angler app, right, or let's say 520 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.960 I view and a reactor. I want both of them 521 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.079 to share my configuration. I don't want to redo it. 522 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:17.480 I don't want to. I won't be able to just 523 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.160 call jest, have some basic configuration that makes sense for 524 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.559 our company or for this one repole, and just run 525 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.960 it from package A and package C. So this package B, 526 00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:31.319 this magical JEST must be able to be isolated and 527 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.960 must be callable from the other packages. Right, So package 528 00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:38.039 should be able to say, hey, I need GEST from 529 00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:41.680 package B, and package should do the same thing. Cool. 530 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.559 Let's

say in a classic Mono Repo. No matter whether 531 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:49.279 I use PMPM, you can you can structure these packages. 532 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.759 Now there's two questions, right, how do I call one 533 00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:55.799 package from the other package? Like how do I call 534 00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:00.359 JEST from package B in the AD from package to 535 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.799 package whatever? Right, So I'm not sure how other tools 536 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:06.920 do it, and I don't think it's so popular as 537 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.039 a thing, but PMPM allows you to filter out to 538 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:13.039 query with a command line. Basically, you open the terminal 539 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.200 say PMPM and you can filter packages. So you can 540 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:20.240 select one package and run a script from its package Jason, 541 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:25.279 or run a dependency that it's installed in this package. Okay, 542 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.279 So I can say PMPN filter my GEST package JEST, 543 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.480 so that will run just from my package that has 544 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.759 all my est stuff. Okay, So this means this allows 545 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:42.880 basically to collest from these two other packages without installing JEST. 546 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.319 So my package with my view application doesn't have just 547 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:50.640 install nothing, doesn't even know about just, but it can 548 00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:55.160 codest that is instelled from the other package. Now, probably 549 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.240 the question here is like, okay, okay, why are we 550 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.799 complicating things making this separation? And now this is the 551 00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:06.039 key here. This is because because PMPM. After we talk 552 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:09.279 with Zutan did one feature, which is I think it's 553 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.039 for me. It changed the game in terms of a 554 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:17.359 mono rip. They introduced the concept of runtime per package, 555 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:20.359 and they in the latest versions, by the way, a 556 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:24.920 few versions back ten something. I think it's now. They 557 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:29.200 even allowed different than no Dress runtimes. So you can say, 558 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:33.400 my package A will have no Jess fourteen. It's a 559 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.720 legacy one, let's say Angler eleven. But my package B 560 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:43.680 has all the all the latest React nineteen, like running 561 00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:46.279 some CLI that only runs on the newest no Dress. 562 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.480 And I can even have like a concept experimental app 563 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:53.359 that runs on bun or other runtime and still live 564 00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:56.039 in the same ripple, and

I can still manage all 565 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:02.400 of their dependencies through the same PMPMCLI. Right, So back 566 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.240 back to the original example. I know, very lengthy, I'm 567 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:08.319 going to pose in a minute, I promise. Back in 568 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:10.799 the original example, I have my view application and I 569 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:13.799 have my gest related stuff in a separate package right 570 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.160 in the mono report. 571 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.680 The MPM package. Is that a separate like a separate directory. Yes, 572 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:20.440 separate directory. 573 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:23.720 Sorry, yes, let's simplify think, yes, two directories. One is 574 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.319 my view application with all of its dependencies, and one 575 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.559 is my GEST stuff a separate directory with all of 576 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.720 his GET related dependencies inployees. Right. So the NPM with 577 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.559 this feature what allowed us is the GET related stuff 578 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.400 to be running at note twenty four while your application 579 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.400 can run a newer or older note like the application 580 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.559 meaning the build of the application. 581 00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:47.920 Right. 582 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.920 So this means that I can run GEST. I can 583 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.759 say from my application. I can say, hey, can you 584 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.240 codeest from the other package, And what this will do 585 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.559 is calle the other NOTEJAS that is associated with the 586 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.039 JEST from my application and can run on my source code. 587 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:06.720 This way, I can use the specific note that I 588 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.759 know it works with jests from my application, that I 589 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:12.759 know that it works with a different note all the 590 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.039 same note, but let's put it in a different note. 591 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:18.759 This gives you the ability to absolutely freely a great jest. 592 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:21.039 You can a great GEST and the only thing you 593 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.039 need to do is make sure that the configuration doesn't 594 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:24.920 break when you up great and that's it. You don't 595 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.799 have to think about all the interconnected dependencies that it 596 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:33.119 might bring in. You can have great in isolation. That is, 597 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:38.519 let's say the largest change that this breakproof freepoint and 598 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.079 template is promoting. It's not only that, and it's not 599 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.440 like as you can see, it's not a major thing. 600 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.960 Everything comes in from PMPM. There's a lot of other goodies, 601 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.319 let's say. But I think this is the highlight, like 602 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.759 being able to upgrade individually. 603 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:02.079 I'm okay, So yeah, I got a lot of questions here. 604 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.640 Being visual, it's hard to do this without actually looking 605 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:06.119 at something. 606 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:08.559 But so where. 607 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.960 Do you so normally, you know, in any project, the 608 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.240 way it's always worked is you have your node mantostrecture, right, 609 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.160 which has all your different dependencies and their indpendencies and 610 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:26.119 so on under your project route. So in your mono 611 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:31.240 repost setup, then where do these separate versions of note 612 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:32.279 actually get installed? 613 00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:33.240 Yes? 614 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.200 Where is the physical locations of those? 615 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.720 Fantastic? Okay, so you have two direct directories, right, I 616 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.279 know it's a very visual thing. It's a podcasts people 617 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.759 some some people listen. So you have the two directories 618 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:48.400 and you can just accept them as two absolutely individual projects. 619 00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.599 They have inside of them the note modules for their 620 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.480 own note modules. But your question was more like where 621 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.960 is the note dress? And maybe maybe the other question 622 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:01.680 is who stous the o JISS like, how do how 623 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.079 does you get the nogs? I'm not sure if you 624 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.599 have an innate understanding or maybe you already know the answer. 625 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:11.639 But maybe people are used to have a manager for 626 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.480 no JS versius like MBM very popular. 627 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.119 One version manager. 628 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.599 Yes, no version manager, it's a CLI too. I can 629 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.639 say use this version, or I can set it up 630 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:23.559 so that when I go to a certain project with 631 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.199 automatically which is not okay. It can also install note 632 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:31.519 versions can also uninstalled them like it manages no verse. Cool. 633 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.960 But what happens in this PMPN world and now this 634 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.639 is the other fantastic thing. PMPM is not a dependency 635 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.760 that lives under note right. It is written in JavaScript, 636 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:49.159 but is it's

bundled as a standalone CLI so it 637 00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.480 can work without a specific like that you don't have 638 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.960 to have NOTE to be able to run PMPM. This 639 00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.840 is a huge difference from npm MPM is always bundled 640 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.079 with a specific version of no JFS right right, Okay, cool, 641 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.239 So you have PMPM and it's a standalone thing. And 642 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:12.159 the new feature is like addition to PMPM is that 643 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.719 it can also manage no JAS versions, so it has 644 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:19.880 like an MVM features, so it combines NPM and MVM 645 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:24.119 together in one two. I'm saying combined because PMPM, in 646 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.920 my mind, is a superset of MPM, which means it 647 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.400 has all of the functionalities of MPM to be honest, 648 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.760 even the same commands and underhood, basically it's kind of 649 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.480 the same results, but also can manage no JAS versions. 650 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.400 And having that that new feature that a PMPM introduced 651 00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.519 after we talked to Zutan that allowed each package to 652 00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:49.880 define it. PPM reads a specific property in your package 653 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.880 jason file. You have two directories and each have package 654 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.679 jason file right, and each of them can specify a 655 00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.800 property that I think is called runtime environment and PMPM 656 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.760 knows about this property, reads it and checks if there 657 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.239 is an installed NOGS with this version. If it doesn't have, 658 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:10.840 it installs it for you automatically. You don't have to 659 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:13.400 do anything, So even if you try to run something 660 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.559 from a package that you don't have the OGS version four, 661 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:19.800 it will install it for you. Of course you can 662 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.039 pre install it, but it would do it for you 663 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.320 if you haven't done this step. I hope that this 664 00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:27.519 gives a better idea like PMPM does it for you 665 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.639 basically in a short answer, a PPM does it for you? 666 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:35.159 Okay, but again, where so is it like you have 667 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.079 a separate package for each version of no. Twenty two, 668 00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.119 twenty three, twenty four, you know, whatever versions you're using. 669 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:42.360 It is kind of report. 670 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.280 It is kind of the same as MVM. It has 671 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:48.280 told them in your system,

in your home directory, maybe 672 00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.599 if it stolls them somewhere. It just knows how to 673 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.480 run them for each package. Basically, so if you have 674 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:57.639 a package with just independencies, it knows that if you 675 00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.360 want to run stuff from there, it will use the 676 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.239 installed no Jazz version with debt version. Sorry, the installted 677 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:05.320 no jas with debt version. 678 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:13.000 Okay, so I would So in your packages there are two. 679 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.840 There's save and then there's saved dev. Right, so there's 680 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:20.719 the tools that you need just why you're developing, and 681 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.719 there's the tools that the packages that need to be 682 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:28.280 installed for your application actually run. Right, So you could 683 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.599 have so to use examples we're using just as a 684 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:33.920 testing utaility, so you only need that at development type. 685 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:35.599 So that would be a saved dev type property in 686 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.039 your package that Jason absolutely say a CSS framework say 687 00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:41.559 tail wind, which is a real popular win, right, that's 688 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:45.679 going to be a uh you've got to have that 689 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.679 in your bundled job description in order for your application 690 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:54.079 to work or at least to look decent. So can 691 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:58.679 this handle can you have I'm trying to think how 692 00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:02.599 a word this? Could you have? You runtime packages that 693 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.400 you need to actually run your application that aren't saved, 694 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:12.039 that use different versions of Node? Is that a non issue? 695 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:13.760 Give me a second too, kind of. 696 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.239 Actually an issue? Because notice is your runtime from when 697 00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:18.840 you're developing? 698 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:23.119 Yes, yes, if you're asking about runtime versus death time. 699 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:24.000 Yeah. 700 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.519 If if runtime is the browser, you don't you don't 701 00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:27.599 need to think about it. 702 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.719 Okay, Yeah, never mind, I just realized that as that. 703 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:33.719 And if you're talking about different tools, if you're talking 704 00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.920 about different tools, let's say just andy istlink, you can 705 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.559 expand on the example and have a package for island. 706 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.559 So the package with islint comes with its own no 707 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.679

Jet version and all of it's plugins, right because it 708 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:50.280 drags in it drags in a lot of plugins and 709 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.880 they have their own dependencies, right, So maybe these dependencies 710 00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:56.920 are like a mismatch with your own dependencies if you 711 00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:58.039 store them at the same place. 712 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:02.679 Okay, Yeah, so I think I get to just so 713 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:05.079 it's basically installing the different versions of no JAS on 714 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.559 your system and then just referencing them from the packages 715 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.360 as you need, but being. 716 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.239 Able to kind of use all the tools from one 717 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.920 package that doesn't have them installed, so they don't they 718 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.400 don't interfere with your dependencies, and they don't interfere with 719 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.199 your no Jazz version. They have their own thing. 720 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:26.079 So now the other you touched on something here briefly 721 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:29.360 that I wanted to ask about, and that's other run times. 722 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.159 So you got Bun, You've got Dno, You've got other things. 723 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:35.360 You don't necessarily have to use no JS as your 724 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.519 as your run time. I think was it Phoenix? Was 725 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:40.159 that another one that was supposed to be and then 726 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:41.719 sort of diet on the vine. 727 00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.920 You're you're now reaching my ability to like to know. 728 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.920 But Dino, I know, Bun, I know, No, just that Phoenix, 729 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:48.920 I'm not sure. 730 00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:51.440 Anyway that yeah, I forget that one. I didn't know 731 00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:54.639 much about it anyway. The point is, does all of this, 732 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:59.119 the PNPM and this report that you had, does that 733 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.840 only worked in no j or can you support Bernardino 734 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:03.440 or other run times as well. 735 00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.679 Fantastic question. The latest one of the latest versions of 736 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.639 PMPM allowed this new thing. They started with this concept 737 00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.119 after we talked Zotan. We talked about it, and they 738 00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.840 introduced no Jess only right, so you can have no 739 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:18.519 eleven and twenty. But I think in the recent versions 740 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.199 they change that. So they introduced the ability to choose 741 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:26.400 Dino for one environment. No, so one package, one directory. 742 00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.440 This will run with Dino. So all your scripts, all 743 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:33.039 your stout dependencies, we will run through Dino. DINU will 744 00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.840 run them basically. Right, So you specified Dino and a 745 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:39.880 version and another directory in another package. Jason, you specify 746 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:44.079 no jess aversion I can, I can hear, can not 747 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.039 commit to. How many run times does it support. I 748 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:49.280 am not sure. I'm not sure how many of them 749 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.199 they support, but I am sure I saw Dino, sure sure, 750 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.559 and I think I saw done. And I think these 751 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.480 are the kind of I hope I don't offend anyone, 752 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:01.400 but these are the major let's say, talk talking discussion points, 753 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.119 et cetera kind of is run times. I'm sure there's others. 754 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.320 There's probably edge run times that I don't know if 755 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.320 they have, Like a you can install them, Like I know, 756 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.199 cloud for has their own thing, my edge workers have 757 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.000 their own thing. Versailles has a run time, but I'm 758 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.119 not sure if it's just no jaiz. So many jobscript runtimes, 759 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.159 by the way, I'm not sure if they're all installable. 760 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:26.119 God of reminds me. I saw post on hacker News 761 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:32.519 probably in the last month, and it was a history 762 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:36.599 of JavaScript run times. Oh and the guy said it 763 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.360 took probably like a year to just to write this article. 764 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:44.079 Because I was like, oh, yeah, there's a few. Holy cow, 765 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:46.639 it was crazy how far he back. I mean, just 766 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:51.840 link after link after link, and I don't know if 767 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:53.880 this is the one. I'll have to find it maybe, 768 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:55.719 But I was like, holy cow, there's been a lot 769 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.760 of a lot of jobscript run times. Yeah. Here it 770 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.199 is the many, many, many JavaScript run times of the 771 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:05.480 last decade. And they'll do this as a pick anyway. 772 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.559 So there's a lot, but we're just focusing on on 773 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.880 these three kinds right now. Kind of yeah, yeah, okay, 774 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.519 So you have this young po breakproof based mono repo 775 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.920 m this is it's on GitHub Breakproof, dash base, dash 776 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:29.599 Mono repo under Poe Ltd. So how would this be implemented, 777 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:31.800 or how is this something where you'd have to fire 778

00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:34.639 this up and build it, you know, from everything from 779 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:36.760 the beginning, or can you implement it into say an 780 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.280 existing modern repo, or how would you use this? 781 00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:44.000 Okay? Also also fantastic question. I mean I think I 782 00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.639 should just pick your questions and put them as a list. 783 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:52.079 How I start talking about this? Okay? So even by 784 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.800 its name, I hope they'd give some clue about it. 785 00:42:56.280 --> 00:43:02.320 So it says base mon and go break break Yeah 786 00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:06.119 it is, I mean, I mean breakthrough. Okay, Okay, Okay, 787 00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.360 Given given your status of dead jokes owner and king, 788 00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.960 I think you're you're kind of picking on the important 789 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.679 thing is Yes, breakproof is the key is the king keyword, 790 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:19.800 and it is because of specifically that it doesn't allow 791 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.880 you to break one package just because you have great another. Right, 792 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:25.960 That's that's where it all started from. This is where 793 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.480 it started from. But base Mono reple it kind of 794 00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.719 gives the clue of how it's supposed to be intended 795 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:35.360 to be used. Right, So the giftab has this concept 796 00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.440 of template repositories. Not sure if you've seen it, but 797 00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.079 if you enter a template repository, It basically has a 798 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.480 button say create from this template. 799 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.519 That makes sense, I mean that's just kindard template type. 800 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:46.960 Yeah. 801 00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:47.400 Sure. 802 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:49.639 The one thing why is this not a template? It 803 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:53.199 basically fits perfectly perfectly the case of a template repository. 804 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:56.239 But what happens that it's not super known is that 805 00:43:56.320 --> 00:44:00.079 when you press great template repository, it blanks out the 806 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.199 entire history of the ripo. So it basically commits all 807 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.440 the files of the ripple as a new REPO with 808 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.760 no history. Okay, so you have a blank new slate 809 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.079 and you don't have all the previous changes, et cetera. 810 00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:14.760 Okay, well, that can be good or bad. 811 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:19.039 I suppose exactly exactly. It could be good let's say 812 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.480 size of the repole. You don't have to care about 813 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:25.159 this stuff, right, But one of the let's say not 814 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.440 so great stuff is that if you fork it instead 815 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.360 of that, if you create your own base on the history, 816 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.840 it's kind of easy to pull changes, right Like if 817 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:38.199 you let's say you have a library and I want 818 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.440 to do a PR with some feature or a book fix, 819 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:43.880 usually what I do is fork it, do some changes 820 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.159 in my own branch, and create a PR to your 821 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.360 own original repository. Right. And I can do that very 822 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.960 easily because GIT knows about the history is their share. 823 00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:57.440 My fork has all of the history of your original repository, 824 00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:02.360 right and vice versa. If you update your original repository, 825 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:04.480 I can pull in all the changes. 826 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:10.000 Right. So we picked you're talking about working the whole repel, 827 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.039 not just a branch within a right, you fork the 828 00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:13.719 entire ripple. 829 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.360 You fork the entire repole. Usually it's the main branch, 830 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.920 like you kind of copy the main branch only. So 831 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:23.079 what is the what what is the major difference? Okay? 832 00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:25.639 So this is where I need to mention a bit 833 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.159 more maybe about what the repository is. But the whole 834 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:33.119 intended uses you kind of clone it. You clone it 835 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:37.559 to your own repository and you start from there. Why 836 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.039 why why do you use this as a new repository? Okay? 837 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.719 And and you asked, how do I get my projects 838 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.519 in it? Can I just plug it in my own 839 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:49.480 existing ripple? The answer here is no, you can't really 840 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.320 plug it in yours. But what you can do is 841 00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.760 you important project from your existing ripple in here. We 842 00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.800 created some utilities like interactive CLI with like questions like 843 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.480 where is your ripo? Where do you want it to be. 844 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:06.039 So when you clone the brakeproof based monitor reple and 845 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.679 you get like this copy of it, you can then 846 00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.679 import the projects from elsewhere, so you can import them 847 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:16.280 from other monor reples or other just repoles, and you 848 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.800 put them as a package inside of your copy of 849 00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:23.719 the breakproof monitor

rep That's the intended use. And I 850 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:26.840 guess there's very much announce here of why is this 851 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.519 like this? And I should mention something, but I'm going 852 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:33.360 to pose again here to let you pick the first 853 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:34.760 questions if you already have. 854 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:40.719 Some, well, if we're talking about getting your project into 855 00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:43.679 this repot, no, I don't have any questions, but I 856 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:44.639 do have some after that. 857 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.760 Okay, cool, So you have your own clone, right, you 858 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.559 copy the repository with the ford it with the entire history. 859 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.880 Next step you imported the project. You got it, So 860 00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:57.159 why do you have why do you need this step? 861 00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.519 Extra step and extra work of moving project? 862 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:01.119 Right? 863 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.679 So, so far we only talked about this PMP mobility 864 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.840 of isolation. Okay, but what it gives you is this 865 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.960 based moment ripple. Doesn't only have this concept, otherwise it 866 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:14.599 wouldn't be a based moment ripple, right, it would be 867 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.880 just a read me file. You can do that with 868 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:21.199 PMPM do it yourself, good luck bye. What it comes 869 00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:28.280 in is with already some tools installed as isolated packages. Right, 870 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.199 they're not installed for your package. You can create your 871 00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.880 own package with you, but there's already tools in it. 872 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.800 There are most of them. They're in a directory code 873 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.559 Infra as we just go back there. Yeah, if you 874 00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.239 go back to our original conversation, there's like categories of packages. Right, 875 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:48.320 there's something about the built, there's something about code checks, 876 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.559 there's something about testing. So this is a kind of 877 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.519 a tooling that you usually have in an application. So 878 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.679 this ripple comes with some of those packages that are 879 00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.599 isolated when their own dependence in their own packages, and 880 00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:03.360 they're all Jazz version already there. So what you are 881 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:08.239 able to do is have your project already runs, linked, 882 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:13.400 already run, just already configured with some base sensible configuration. 883 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:18.159 It's not opinionated and you can change it, but it's 884 00:48:18.239

--> 00:48:21.199 centralized and it's already working. So this concept that we 885 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.880 introduced in the beginning, it's a starter. It's a starter 886 00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:27.960 that you can use, so they are already working. A 887 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:32.559 COO part is usually as we talked about scale of companies, right, 888 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.639 and scale of projects. When you have time projects, you 889 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.800 kind of want to reuse and not repeat every single 890 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.559 time and have one project with slightly different test configuration 891 00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.960 from the other, because you end up with this bug 892 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:50.599 chasing where the result and the causation usually is like ah, 893 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.400 it was fixed, but not in the other package, but 894 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:55.280 in the other one. Right, So you want to have 895 00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:59.079 something centralized as a base sensible configuration, and the repository 896 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.760 comes with sensible configuration for just based, sensible conforation for yes, 897 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.480 lim and different kind of tools that are not very 898 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:10.880 known but kind of useful, like finding unused dependencies, finding 899 00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:13.559 dependencies that are not in stout but you kind of 900 00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:17.679 use them. All these kind of code checks. They have 901 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.559 their own package. They're all no jazz and all based 902 00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:25.960 configuration that your own package can just reference. Right. And 903 00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.800 of course, if you have your view application, let's we 904 00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:31.960 use the example and you want to extend you want 905 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:34.079 to change some isline plug in, Sure you can do 906 00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.920 that because it only it only provides you with a 907 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.920 base config. It just extends the base config and you 908 00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.920 just apply it with more configuration. You overwrite something, you 909 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.679 disable a plugin enable a new one. This is just 910 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:51.400 a base for you to play with and already isolated. Yes, Limp, 911 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.920 and I want to just mention one more thing. What 912 00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:59.480 is the coolest part for me personally? After this isolation? 913 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.800 We talked about artists. You have your clone, you have 914 00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:08.000 your copy. Right in several months, you say, wait, a 915 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:10.639 new version of ISLNT. I'm not sure if you dealt 916 00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:14.119 with upgrading Yearlint eight to yearly nine. But it wasn't 917 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.280 a pleasant upgrade. I can tell you that it was 918 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:17.960 not pleasant. 919 00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:21.760 Speaking personal experience, I mean, yeah, I. 920 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.880 Mean Islant is amazing. I love Islint. I'm super thankful 921 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.440 to I think, Josh. I mean I'm hoping. I'm hoping. 922 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.599 I'm not getting this wrong. I love that and we 923 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.920 use it extensively, but that grade was hard. So imagine 924 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:40.800 if you have your clone and the base breakproof repository, 925 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:43.400 keep on changing, right, and at some point the base 926 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:48.800 repository upgraded. Ye is lint in itself and you want 927 00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:52.320 also upgrade. What you can do instead of you upgrading 928 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.239 it yourself in your clone is just pull the changes 929 00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.760 from the base without fearing that it will break anything. 930 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:04.079 Because it's isolated, it doesn't affect your package. It only 931 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.760 upgrades is link. It only upgrades no JS maybe for 932 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:11.519 the is link, but it's very isolated. So now one 933 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:16.679 of a sudden, suddenly just doing git pull from breakproof 934 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.599 or whatever. Right, your get clone second origin, let's pull it. 935 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.159 You now suddenly have upgraded islink and that's it. You 936 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:30.400 continue there without a major like, oh, let's figure out 937 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:33.719 configuration now, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So you 938 00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.599 suddenly have a newer version, like even major version of island. 939 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.800 We just want get poll. Okay, I'm gonna post here 940 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:50.159 if it makes sense. If it doesn't, I guess my 941 00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:50.679 thought is. 942 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.480 You know what I'm trying to get my head around 943 00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:56.719 is you know you've got this when you pulled in 944 00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.960 your project. So going back to the example that we've 945 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.480 been using, you know, it's just and or having different 946 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:11.440 packages that ah that use different versions of node. You know, say, 947 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.239 so where does that happen? At what point? Is that 948 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.679 something you have to do manually where you split out 949 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.840 your just to a separate directory in the mono repo. 950 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.039 Yes, and this is already split in the base. However, 951 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:27.920 you can have other tools. You can have other tools 952 00:52:27.960

--> 00:52:32.719 if you have a CLI twol called Steve right, or 953 00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.079 you have a I know, I think if that it 954 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:42.039 doesn't exist, go book it trademark right here. So if 955 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:43.559 you if you want to, if you want to create 956 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.199 a tool like this, yes, you have to create your 957 00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:48.719 own package. You have to define what the run time 958 00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:52.960 to run. And basically all other packages can call stiff 959 00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:55.960 from its own package, which will be run with the 960 00:52:56.000 --> 00:53:00.639 specified run time. But for some tool which are kind 961 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.639 of popular, let's put it in the web world, right. 962 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.519 It doesn't have to be front end, but it's majorly 963 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.360 This repository is kind of focused on the front ed 964 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:14.079 side of the JavaScript rate, but it can be use alful, 965 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:18.360 not just so it comes with some popular packages. I 966 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.920 wouldn't say that all of them are favorable. I know, 967 00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.880 for example, Cypress is kind of going out of favor 968 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.639 for years now, and some of them are because simply 969 00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:31.079 we have legacy and as a company we need to 970 00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:34.440 kind of pay attention. Once we started using a big 971 00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.960 thing like Cypress to do our integration and to intest, 972 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:41.199 we kind of want to keep going to a certain point. 973 00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:44.920 So we have a package for Cypress for Jest for years, 974 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.119 lind for even little things like DPDM that I mentioned 975 00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:52.239 that lesser known code checks for also build tools like 976 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:56.800 web pack and other interesting cult checks by the way, 977 00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.920 and bi tools I mentioned. I think I mentioned likes 978 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:03.400 con fixed as well. It's a it's another big topic, 979 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:07.519 but there it's coming already there. So back to your question. 980 00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:11.280 You don't have to create separate packages for the things 981 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:13.480 that exist, but for any other new tool that you 982 00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.360 want to introduce, you can create one. 983 00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.320 Okay, yeah, I think I'm gonna have to play with 984 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:23.079 that at some point just to get my head around, 985 00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:26.599 head around and how it works. I certainly get the 986 00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:31.000 concept and it makes a lot of sense because yeah, 987 00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:35.480 I can speak from personal experience on version upgrades and 988 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:38.440 version conflicts between different packages that they all depend on. 989 00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:45.800 So and now I want to maybe, let's say, for 990 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:51.239 see one possible question that we might get when I 991 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:56.760 mentioned this, right, we mentioned these effortless upgrades. You just 992 00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:00.360 pull in the latest changes from breakthrough freeball because it's 993 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:03.599 a separate trip which keeps evolving. Credit your loan is 994 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:06.880 from the time that you cloned it from or like 995 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.519 copying now you can then upgrade and you get all 996 00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:14.159 the latest just yes, link typescripts or like the other tools. Now, 997 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.519 maybe a question you have is like Buttanton, the new 998 00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:20.519 year is lint have a new algorithm and new rules 999 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:25.320 and new maybe strictness. Right, maybe you even change the conflict, 1000 00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:28.679 the base conflict right the time extending in my application? 1001 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:32.679 What does that mean that my entire application now will 1002 00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.920 like shout at me with red squiggles everywhere, right, Like, 1003 00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:40.239 I mean you only mentioned what is upgrading is lint 1004 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:43.159 as its own thing, but what happens to my application 1005 00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.400 and my rules? And you'll be right to ask that 1006 00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.559 because if I didn't have an answer for that, this 1007 00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.559 is exactly what would have. Like you upgrade ye is 1008 00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:56.320 lint and all the conflict and suddenly in your editor 1009 00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:58.880 everything will be read. You'll not be able to commit, 1010 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.320 your prs will just light up with like all the 1011 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:03.880 errors that are coming in. And this is I think 1012 00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:07.800 where the interaction with Dan happened on Blue Sky. He 1013 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:12.239 was talking about having a project with JavaScript or like 1014 00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:16.000 an older version of typescript and wanting to go to 1015 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:20.559 newer version or more stricter or even just introduce typescript okay, 1016 00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:23.440 And this is kind of the same scenario, like changing 1017 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:27.679 the islin conflict because if something in the code checks 1018 00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.239 become different and all of a sudden, all your code 1019 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:34.480 screams that you and says like it's red. So how 1020 00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:36.440 do you jump over this hurdle? How do

you go 1021 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:40.480 from previously it was working, now with a little change, 1022 00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:45.400 it's now suddenly not working. And Don actually talked two 1023 00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.159 times on this podcast from the two years that I've 1024 00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.719 listened to prolifically about this topic, and you mentioned several 1025 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:53.760 times like, oh man, this is a nightmare, and yes, 1026 00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:57.239 it is a nightmare because you don't have many options. 1027 00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.400 You have like okay, maybe only introduced for the type 1028 00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:03.159 script files and we don't check the JavaScript files, or 1029 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:06.039 we only introduce a few checks but not all the 1030 00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:08.679 checks that we want, right because in the ideal world, 1031 00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:10.960 we have like a list of checks that we all 1032 00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:13.320 agree on that are good and this is how we 1033 00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:16.400 should be and we turn them on. But in this 1034 00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:21.000 scenario everything goes read. Okay, So what am I talking about? 1035 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:24.039 What is the solution? It was proposed to me. It 1036 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:27.639 wasn't original, as I said, even this repository, it's kind 1037 00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:31.440 of all going around t MPM with some more stuff 1038 00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:35.199 just around it. Right, So It was proposed to me 1039 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:37.159 in a previous company I work with. It was the 1040 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:41.119 idea of having an old project running with the strictest 1041 00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:45.159 possible CONFIIC for isling whatever you like, all the plugs 1042 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:50.079 that you want, however, running a snapshot of all the 1043 00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:55.280 errors aka remembering in my file called anton dot ts. 1044 00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.679 I have five errors of this type, I have seven 1045 00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:04.559 error of this different type. I have twenty errors of undefined. 1046 00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:08.440 I have twenty more for console look that I don't 1047 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:11.360 want to have in my file, right, and remembering that 1048 00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:13.920 for each file that you have in the repository, and 1049 00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:17.159 just having this kind of a mini registry. Imagine it 1050 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:21.119 like adjacent file of like key value, found name, type 1051 00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:24.199 of error, how many found name, type of error how many? 1052 00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:29.239 And this is an invaluable resource in when upgrading and 1053 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:34.079 going stricter, going to a better roule. Why because it 1054 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:36.639 lets you see the problems. It lets all

of your 1055 00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:40.480 developers see aha. Edit, my editor is saying this is 1056 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.119 a problem, so I can focus on it, or I 1057 00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.639 can at least understand there's a better way. While your 1058 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:50.079 CI checks at the point of upgrade, at the point 1059 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:54.840 you make it stricter, still pass Why because you run yes, Lind, 1060 00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:00.320 but you also tell Eslin, hey ignore all of these 1061 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:03.400 number of errors in these files. So if you have 1062 00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:09.840 five undefined like let's say errors in this file, then 1063 00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:13.639 you do a change. If there are still five or 1064 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:17.840 less less than five, it's okay. If there's more than five, 1065 00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:21.320 then you scream and you fail the commit and you 1066 00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:24.320 fail the PR. So it's an approach that lets you 1067 00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:28.239 gradually kind of increase the checks but still remember the 1068 00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.960 status quore like not forcing you to change all of 1069 00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.280 your code today. So I think this is where the 1070 00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:41.320 let's say the breakproof part comes in. It allows you 1071 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:45.119 to keep going on. It gives you the errors, it 1072 00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:48.079 tells you what they are, It lets you upgrade. All 1073 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:50.760 of the tools live in isolation, but it lets you 1074 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:54.039 keep going on. Of course, you can plant tech that 1075 00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:56.639 you have to plant right when to do it, but 1076 00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:59.480 it doesn't force you to do it now, and still 1077 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.760 lets you use newer stuff because newer stuff don't don't 1078 01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.800 come only with stick the stuff. They also come with improvements, 1079 01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:10.920 maybe performance, maybe like a different kind of built, maybe 1080 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.320 a new feature that you've waited so much in typescript 1081 01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:17.159 four point eight. I know that's your opinion. Specifically on 1082 01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:20.119 This is not about typescript. But let's say yes Lin 1083 01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:23.079 or you change from Yeslin to another too. You want 1084 01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:25.760 to remember the new set of errors. You don't want 1085 01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:29.039 to fix them. Now, Okay, a lot of talking. I'm 1086 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:33.280 gonna pause again, but that's that's how we handle the flawless. 1087 01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:37.280 Let's say the interrupted upgrade. You get the new version, 1088 01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:43.840 you snapshot if there's any problems, and you keep going, gotcha. 1089 01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:49.840 Okay, yeah, that makes sense again, something I probably want 1090 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.199 to play with a little more before it can ask 1091 01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:55.360 any good questions before we wrap up. I will know 1092 01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:57.599 one thing in here. I'm just looking at the directory 1093 01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:02.559 structure and I noticed you have charactors for configured for GitHub, 1094 01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:07.079 for idea, which is basically all the jet Brains tools, 1095 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:11.960 and then vias code as well. These are the standard 1096 01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.199 What kind of settings are you keeping? There's any number 1097 01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:16.639 of settings you can put in there, So what kind 1098 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:17.960 of stuff do you have in those directors? 1099 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:21.840 I love the questions. I mean, I told it probably 1100 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.840 many times, but this is an excellent question because many 1101 01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:28.760 of the more ripple tools that I mentioned there, they exist, right, 1102 01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:33.599 They help you manage it, and they give you tools 1103 01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:38.199 to and like descriptions somewhere online documentation of how to 1104 01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:42.559 configure your development environment, like how to configure intelligence, how 1105 01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:47.400 to configure VIAS code to better best work with this report. 1106 01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:51.280 But in the company, we're okay. We wanted this to 1107 01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.320 be seamless, like we don't want to ask developers to 1108 01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:57.760 readocumentation and each of them follow each steps. Maybe someone 1109 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.440 didn't read one step they contact us us, Hey, this 1110 01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:03.719 doesn't work, right, Okay, I see you know then you 1111 01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:07.119 know that you know the drill. So we added some 1112 01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:11.320 based configuration that we know. And because we know this 1113 01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:14.280 repository setup, we know how it's managed, right, we know 1114 01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.440 all the tools, we know how to run the tools, 1115 01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:20.159 and we know how to kind of configure your editor. 1116 01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:24.360 So we went and went with a base configuration for 1117 01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:28.360 your editor, plus a CLI that you can run to 1118 01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:31.239 kind of onboard. You It's like if you run pmp 1119 01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:33.559 te us a command I don't remember, Behart, but if 1120 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:36.400 you ru in command let's say PMPM breakproof on board 1121 01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:39.519 and to ask you what is your editor? There we 1122 01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:42.960 go and you'll structure. I

will now set up the 1123 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:46.320 base settings for this repot. So it's best for the 1124 01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:50.880 initial introduction, so to configure let's say yeslint in your VSCO, 1125 01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:53.760 you configure eslint running for jet brain, so you don't 1126 01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:56.480 have to forget. I've seen it so many times. You 1127 01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.239 get a new project, you open it up, islin doesn't work, 1128 01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:01.400 or a diferent version of Yeslin. By the way, it's 1129 01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:05.400 possible to run like this is total possibility, even vs code. 1130 01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.440 I'm not sure how many people know. It comes with 1131 01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:10.639 a built in versions for these kind of tools like typescript, 1132 01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:13.920 and by default it will run them, not your version, 1133 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:18.000 so you get different kind of verse in your editor 1134 01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:20.480 that the ones that you get when you built, which 1135 01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:25.079 is super confusing. So yes, thank you for the question. 1136 01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:28.159 This is what these repositories are. And there's one for 1137 01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.599 gifthooks basically, which is the things that will run automatically 1138 01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:35.519 for you on pre comitt Because why because it comes 1139 01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:39.079 in with some like structure and conventions that you can follow. 1140 01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:43.920 Like all of it is nothing like separate packages and 1141 01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:47.400 additional abstractions. It's just a convention for your own package. 1142 01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:51.199 For example, as long as you have a pre commit 1143 01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:54.480 script maybe or I think it was called linked pre commit. 1144 01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:58.119 As long as you have this script in your packageation 1145 01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.760 it will specifically run it before you commit. You don't 1146 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:05.079 need do any additional configuration, and it's all possible because 1147 01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:08.920 it knows it's managed with PMPM. Okay, I'm gonna post here. 1148 01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:09.079 I know. 1149 01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:10.119 Were kind of wrapping up, so. 1150 01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:16.400 Yeah, yeah, or if my case, you you just skip 1151 01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:18.559 the pre commit hook sometimes just to get a committed 1152 01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:29.199 We won't talk about that. Uh yeah. So we sort 1153 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:30.800 of hit a time limit here, so we need to 1154 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:35.639 start wrapping up. So before we get to picks, was 1155 01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.679 there anything two questions? One, was there anything that you 1156 01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:42.639 wanted to cover that we didn't cover about this repel? 1157 01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:46.719 Yes, I'm not a fast talk or maybe i am, 1158 01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:50.440 but I'm I'm not able to be super concise. Maybe 1159 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:52.159 the one thing that we didn't cover, like we can 1160 01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:55.280 go into more details, I don't know later on is 1161 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:59.199 the fact that because the repository is so integrated, as 1162 01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:02.719 you see right, editors packages that are already there, right, 1163 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:06.559 it comes in with understanding of the structure of the repository. 1164 01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:12.400 So it comes in with already working CI, already knowing 1165 01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.559 what to run on your pr, already knowing how to 1166 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:19.199 publish your package to MPM registry. All of the things 1167 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:22.679 are there and they work very well with the repository 1168 01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:27.679 because they understand it. So it's not only a management 1169 01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:31.360 for dependencies and project it's also for you to eliminate 1170 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.519 the step of like, oh I need to set up 1171 01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:37.159 now jobs for end to end testing, for publishing, for deploying, 1172 01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:41.400 for checks. All of it is there, configured with like 1173 01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.159 concurrency and everything that you need. But yeah, that's my 1174 01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:47.280 short answer. Yes, I did have something I didn't cover. 1175 01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:52.599 So okay, all right, well thank you. This is uh 1176 01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:54.719 my brain hurts. 1177 01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:56.840 I'm sorry. 1178 01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:00.519 Sorry, that's quite a right. Yeah, there's a there's a 1179 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:03.320 classic are if youamiliar with the fire side, there's a 1180 01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.400 real famous cartoon here. I'm not in a state. Oh 1181 01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:10.519 it's awesome. I look it up online. There's this guy. 1182 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.039 There're just you know, one panel cartoons, and there's a 1183 01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:17.960 famous one where he shows a kid in class raising 1184 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.440 his hands. Excuse me? Can I leave class? My brain 1185 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:24.159 is full? So that's right. Look that up that I'll 1186 01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:25.320 make that as a pick. I don't know where to 1187 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:29.559 find it online, but it's awesome, all right. And then 1188 01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:33.079 if people want to follow you and give you money, 1189 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:36.079 your read more about this stuff? Where are the best 1190 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:37.039 places to do that. 1191 01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:41.719 Okay, I'll start with the project it's breakproof dev. It 1192

01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:46.039 will just redirect you to the repo Breakproof Death. Otherwise, 1193 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:49.920 for me personally, I use blue Sky. Not extremely active, 1194 01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:54.320 but I'm there. I respond to messages. That's my kind 1195 01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:58.760 of a small area of social online life, sometimes LinkedIn, 1196 01:06:59.079 --> 01:06:59.840 sometimes linking. 1197 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.719 Well, that's it, and what are you on blue Sky? 1198 01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:10.559 I'm Dev So it's my family name Dev. Yes drinks. 1199 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:15.079 Alrighty, Well, with that, we will shift the picks Pixar, 1200 01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:17.920 the part of the program where we get to talk 1201 01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:22.360 about anything. We want to talk about, anything from games 1202 01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:26.880 to books, to food, to movies, to social issues, you 1203 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.840 name it. I'm going to stick in the tech realm 1204 01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:35.639 and reference blog posts that I mentioned earlier called the 1205 01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:38.840 many many many JavaScript run times of the last decade. 1206 01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:44.480 It's on buttondown dot com whatever underscore Jamie, and it 1207 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:48.360 is amazing just all of the drun times that are 1208 01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:52.480 out there that he talks about, whether it's TVs, UH 1209 01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:57.559 operating systems and native apps and micro controllers and edge 1210 01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:01.119 computing and so on. And at the end he gives 1211 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.119 a little summary. He says this was published in June 1212 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:06.079 of this year. I think it was June twenty seventh 1213 01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:09.119 to twenty five. And at the end he gives a 1214 01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.920 little summary. He says he started he started working on 1215 01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:16.560 this in April of twenty twenty four and stretch the 1216 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:18.920 limits of button down. I guess that's the platform here 1217 01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:22.000 edit history at over five two hundred and sixty revisions 1218 01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:26.880 whoa before by August of that month. So yeah, even 1219 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.880 then he still doesn't think it's finished. But yeah, it's 1220 01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:33.239 a great interesting if you're into this type of stuff. 1221 01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:37.479 It's a great blog post. And then with that we'll 1222 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.199 switch to the dad jokes of the week, which are 1223 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.119 the high point of any of these episodes, as any 1224 01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:46.720 fan will tell you. So we'll start out. My wife 1225 01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:48.159 was mad at me because I woke her up at 1226 01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:51.600 three o'clock am, but I just wanted to tell her 1227 01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:53.279 that she forgot to take her sleeping pills. 1228 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:55.960 Thanks you. 1229 01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.560 I think everybody knows the movie Jaws. You know about 1230 01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:05.359 the shark? Did you know that if you watch it backwards, 1231 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:08.479 it's actually a heartwarming story about a shark who gives 1232 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:15.000 arms and legs to people who need them. And then 1233 01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:17.760 recently I saw a story about a man who's suing 1234 01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:22.800 company that makes a product called smart water for not 1235 01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.319 making him smart. I'm not sure what he was thinking, 1236 01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.479 but along those lines, I would like to formally announce 1237 01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:34.640 my lawsuit against thin mits because they really don't make 1238 01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:38.479 it thin. So those are my picks god jokes of 1239 01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:39.960 the week. What do you have for a santon? 1240 01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:44.279 I am trying to find the translation for it in English. 1241 01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:47.960 Give me a sack, but I both like it's a 1242 01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:52.640 kitchen thing. It's a kitchen thing, and I amazed my 1243 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:57.640 father with it. Give me a second, give me a second, 1244 01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:01.079 ah a second? Oh yeah, and. 1245 01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:02.520 I'm gonna yeah, pretty famous. 1246 01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.119 What is that the time limit? Oh no, no, pom 1247 01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:12.600 gran pomegranate, pomegranate, pomogrand Okay, I'm sorry, I mean pronunciation ship. 1248 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:16.399 I know, so pommegrant is kind of a famously messy 1249 01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:21.159 to open it and clean it, and I love it. Yeah, 1250 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:24.000 it's true. It's the fruit. It's like a red fruit. 1251 01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:27.600 It's prolific in let's say, Grease, which is like a 1252 01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:30.880 neighboring country here in Bulgaria. Uh and it is also 1253 01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:33.920 part of the south parts is there and my dad, 1254 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:37.640 as a person coming from there, I loves this loves this. 1255 01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:39.680 I mean when I was growing up, it was just 1256 01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:43.920 pomegranate and pomegran pomegranate, like any any time it's is 1257 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:46.880 the season, and of course it's like a special type 1258 01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:49.920 of like opening it and getting the seeds out, et cetera. 1259 01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:52.760 And I recently, I just I don't know, brows online 1260 01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:57.000 is kind of a shopping, anti depressing, running away from 1261 01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:01.000 reality moment. So I ended up at the kitchen tool 1262

01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:04.640 that you kind of put the pomegranate on, and it 1263 01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:07.760 comes with a little hammer, like it's super good. Comes 1264 01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:10.920 with a little hammer, and it removes the mess from 1265 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.960 getting the seeds out, and it keeps the pieces that 1266 01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:16.800 host the seeds out of the seeds. It's amazing. Like 1267 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.560 I know, maybe I'm not doing a good service and 1268 01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:24.000 a job describing it. It's a pomegranate cleaning tool or whatever. 1269 01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:27.800 And I love it. Only the fact that it amazed 1270 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.760 my dad when I showed how this works was worth 1271 01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:35.079 so highly highly recommend that anyway. And it's called what 1272 01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:39.479 I pomegranate too, Like there's no real name, there's no 1273 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:41.800 product name, to be honest, Like I think it was 1274 01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:45.720 like yeah, like I couldn't find like a brand that 1275 01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.640 sells it. It was like a random websites to be honest. 1276 01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:53.159 All of them have like a different brand names, so 1277 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.680 I'm not sure there's like a one origin brand that 1278 01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:56.439 created this. 1279 01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:02.640 Yeah. Amazon's got a few pomegranate tool Yeah, yeah, I 1280 01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:05.960 mean yes, Oh, I think I see this, Okay, Yeah? 1281 01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:07.520 Is it like you think? 1282 01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:11.079 What I'm seeing has like a bowl and then a piece. 1283 01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:14.119 Of it's a little metal bowl. Yes, it's almost like 1284 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:16.680 a sie. If there's like a little bowl that is 1285 01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:19.760 exactly the size of a pomegranate, it looks like this 1286 01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:23.039 lemon squeezers. There's no squeezing kin. Yes, but you put 1287 01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:26.640 the bommegranate on it and use the little hammer. It's 1288 01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:29.479 just ridiculous. It's just ridiculous when you think about it, 1289 01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.199 like being in the kitchen having a little wooden hammer 1290 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:34.960 with it and just knocking out the seats. I mean, 1291 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:37.520 I love all all of it and how it functions, 1292 01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:41.079 the efficiency of it, and by kind of the my 1293 01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:44.479 wife coming in and just looking at me hammering away 1294 01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:46.800 at the pomegrap I love all of it. 1295 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.960 Yeah. Yeah. Pomegran Appeeler twenty twenty four. There's a few 1296 01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:54.319 different options amazing. 1297 01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:57.119 I know, ridicular spick that could have picked so much 1298 01:12:57.359 --> 01:12:57.840 other stuff. 1299 01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:01.399 Yeah, the life hack type, those are the best ones 1300 01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.359 that helped solve the little problems. Cool for sure. All right, 1301 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:08.000 well we're going to wrap up. Thank you Anton for 1302 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:10.159 coming on telling us about your project. I know there 1303 01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:12.760 are many people out there that use mono repos and 1304 01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:15.000 as I sort of mentioned off there, we have a 1305 01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:18.000 project that we're looking to move forward open sourcing in 1306 01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:21.439 a mono repot type of structure. So so that will 1307 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:23.760 be uh definitely a tool to look at. 1308 01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:26.239 Thank you for having me, Thank you for having me. 1309 01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:30.079 My pleasure, pleasure, pleasure. All right, thanks everybody for listening, 1310 01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:32.439 and we'll talk to you next time on JavaScript ever.