บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Interstellar

--> 00:02:30.240 You're right. 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:34.960 Uh Pete also found the cocktail uh for us. 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:42.639 And uh Pete, if you if you would like to take the honors uh of why this cocktail needed to be uh and what is in the ingredients. 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:55.039 Well, in in the movie in Interstellar, um, we of course have lost all almost all the crops uh due to the blight, and Earth is facing potential starvation, and about all that still can grow is corn. 00:02:55.120 --> 00:03:00.319 Uh the okra has died out, which would be bad if we had to make an okra drink. 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:09.840 But uh uh so with corn being the main thing, it it seemed right to have a corn-based uh cocktail. 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:14.319 And uh bourbon has to be at least 51% corn. 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:21.919 And some of the bourbons, like redemption or uh which is what I'm having, uh makers are like at 70 plus. 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:23.680 This is why John's so corny. 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:29.840 And then there's this wonderful Mexican elote liqueur called Nixta. 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:40.639 Uh and so the drink is a shot of bourbon, a shot of Nixta, and four or five splashes of chocolate bitters. 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:43.919 And it is really tasty. 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.879 Yes, it is dangerously tasty. 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.800 I might not make it through the intro, dangerously tasty. 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:53.120 Give him, give this man a water. 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:55.759 But it seemed it seemed right to have a corn-based drink. 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:57.599 So yeah, yeah. 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:02.719 I I sort of cobbled it together from a number of uh drink recipes out there. 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:05.120 Well, okay, so this is a Pete Geither original. 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:06.000 Kinda, kinda. 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:07.199 It's it's an adaptation. 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:07.919 We'll call it that. 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:09.439 Okay, and what's what's it called? 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:10.240 The Cooper. 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:13.520 Ah I like it. 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:25.360 So uh look for this episode's recap link uh in our show notes, where you'll also find a written summary of our discussion along with the picture and the ingredients to make your own The Cooper uh at home. 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:35.839 All right, now now uh uh Pete again, this this uh I will state this cast, uh I use cast as podcast uh not cast of lingo. 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:37.279 No, not not the cast of the movie. 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:37.519 Right. 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:43.920 Yeah um but uh this this one was was pretty much your brainchild uh uh from from start. 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:55.759 Uh what is it about this film uh that immediately grabs you and makes you want to discuss and and help uh those viewers uh uh appreciate this film more? 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:04.560 Well, I think in part it goes back to when I was growing up, I was a

huge fan of hard science fiction. 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:04.800 Yeah. 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:10.000 I read Isaac Asimov, who was not only a science fiction writer, but a scientist. 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:17.920 So the key thing was that in the science fiction, there were things that were posited that we didn't weren't able to do yet. 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:18.240 Yeah. 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:20.639 You know, faster than light travel or whatever. 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:25.199 But then within that framework, everything else would be scientifically accurate. 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:29.360 Uh, and that was sort of the basis of hard science fiction. 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:31.360 And it's something that I've always loved. 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:36.560 I mean, I like fantasy too, but I really get into the whole hard science fiction aspect. 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:45.519 And uh on a podcast earlier this uh season for Hail Mary, Project Hail Mary, you also talked about how the science informed that. 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:50.879 Uh and Andy Weir has been very big on science in terms of what he's doing. 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:55.120 So um, but this is like on steroids. 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:58.800 Uh it goes, it goes incredibly beyond. 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:03.519 Um, and part of it is because of a guy named Kip Thorne. 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.759 If you look at the listings in the movie, he's listed as executive producer. 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:08.240 Yeah. 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:12.480 But he was actually one of the first two people involved in this film. 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:12.879 Yeah. 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:13.360 Okay. 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:19.279 He was uh he was dating producer Linda Obst, who also did Contact. 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:20.000 Okay. 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:30.000 And she came up with the idea that they should work on creating a movie that deals with gravity and black holes, because that was his specialty. 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:30.639 Ooh. 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:40.639 Uh, Kip Thorne, he specializes in black holes, gravity, and related areas, and won a Nobel for his work with gravitational waves. 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:51.839 So the whole idea was let's write a movie that deals with those scientific aspects of gravity waves, of black holes, and all of that. 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:53.920 And they spent years working on it. 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:59.120 They brought on uh Jonathan Nolan, uh, Christopher's brother, uh, as a writer. 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:01.600 And he worked on writing it with them. 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:07.199 And then um the the studio that they shopped it to got Steven Spielberg on it. 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:07.600 Right. 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:13.839 And so Spielberg was attached to it uh until Paramount couldn't work out a deal with him. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.839 So it went back into obscurity for a few years. 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:24.959 And then Christopher came on board and got Paramount and Warner to

work together to come up with a contract so that he could do it. 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:30.079 So basically, you have a movie that started out entirely written by a scientist. 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:31.040 Okay. 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:36.160 And I mean, not writing part of it, but but the creation of it. 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:36.480 Yeah. 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:37.120 Uh through that. 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:42.800 And then even when Christopher came on board, Christopher would come to him about every aspect. 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:43.279 Yeah. 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:45.839 Uh, you know, how would this work? 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:59.680 You know, what and and the science even changed during the process of the years that Kip Thorne was working on this, so that he was able to even make some uh adjustments and improvement. 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:09.360 There's uh I read he he wrote a book, The Science of Innerstone, which is an entire book about the science behind this movie. 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:14.079 And that is the book that I am meant to bring with me because I have it. 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:15.279 What? 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:17.120 Yeah, you it's awesome. 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:19.120 I I I read it. 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:20.720 It is it is awesome. 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:25.439 It is there are parts of it where I'm just going, okay, that's totally over my head. 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:28.079 Yes, no idea. 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:41.759 And and and but but the great thing was he every step in the book, he would identify the thing that he's talking about as either true, an educated guess, or speculation. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:42.159 Right. 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:42.559 Okay. 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:47.360 So but but none of it was going to be untrue. 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:52.399 So everything was either true or speculative because they just don't know yet. 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:59.360 Well, and black holes themselves were theorized a long time before like the math proved it. 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:05.200 And then we didn't actually see one, we just knew that they could exist because the math. 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:10.080 And then I don't think they actually had a the first picture of one is 2019. 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.120 And wormholes are also proven by the math. 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:13.679 Okay. 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:14.480 Right, right. 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:17.279 Uh, and the kinds of wormholes. 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:19.519 So that was all part of it. 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:22.320 So my goodness, all these packages linky together. 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:22.559 Yeah. 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:23.200 Math. 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:24.320 Yeah. 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:39.039 Now it even got to the point where during the filming, the cinematographer would get together with uh Kip Thorne to find out what the wormhole would actually look like. 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.240 So they would get the visuals correct. 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:43.039 Oh my. 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:52.399 Yeah, my understanding of that is they based all of the visual effects of the wormhole off of mathematic equations. 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:53.200 Oh my. 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:57.919 So basically, Kip Thorne was like, Scientifically, this is how it should work. 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:02.559 And they were like, All right, let's make a visual representation of that. 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:03.600 Good great. 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:08.240 And then wait, and a wormhole is also referred to as the Einstein Rosen. 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:10.399 Yeah, Einstein Rosenbridge, yes. 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:10.799 Yes. 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:18.000 Uh and yeah, because we we get into a whole bunch of stuff with Einstein being involved because now we get into dimensions. 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:18.480 Yes. 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:24.559 Um, which becomes a huge part of this story as well. 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:25.440 Yep. 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:27.759 Um, and it it really gets in. 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.559 This is this is where Jonathan's head's gonna start exploding. 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:32.720 So I just need to to to prep you for that. 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.639 I'm I'm um well well lubricated for it. 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.679 Are are you familiar with the uh book Flatland? 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:40.559 No, I am not. 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:44.240 It was um it was a little thin book published in 1884. 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:45.919 I fell in love with it when I was a kid. 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:47.279 You're not that old, Pete. 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:48.480 It is, yeah. 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:51.120 I well, it had already been out for a while. 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:54.559 The Romance of Many Dimensions by Edwin Abbott. 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:55.279 Yes. 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:56.879 Exactly. 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:02.639 And it is a book about creatures who live on a two-dimensional plane. 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:12.559 And so we try to understand a two-dimensional plane, and that helps us understand the difference between a three-dimensional and a two-dimensional. 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:17.759 So, a two-dimensional plane, you got a square, a circle, all living on this flat piece of paper. 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:18.080 Yeah. 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:21.360 And how would you be able to interact with them? 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:28.480 Because you're a three-dimensional being, you know, your voice waves would not be two-dimensional, yeah. 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:29.679 So that wouldn't work. 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:39.679 You might be able to jiggle the paper or something like that that would affect them, but you wouldn't be able to interact with them as a three-dimensional being. 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:47.919 Now you take us as a three-dimensional world universe, then you have to add the fourth dimension, which is time. 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:48.559 Yep. 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:55.519 And because of Einstein,

we realize that time is not a separate dimension. 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.360 But time is linked to our spatial dimensions in space-time. 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:01.759 Right. 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:06.799 Because of the fact that that mass and gravity actually affect time. 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:12.799 So they they can't they they can't be separated, they are all part of it. 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:32.240 So now if you imagine that our three-dimensional wor universe plus time is that flat piece of paper that we were imagining the two-dimensional beings living on, okay, just for the purpose because we can't look outside of ourselves, we don't have the ability. 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:32.879 Right. 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:48.240 Well, if we are that flat piece of paper at a three-dimensional level, four-dimensional level, then that space outside of us is basically the bulk, is what they call it, which they refer to that in the film. 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:48.480 Yeah. 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:57.200 And that's the scientific term for it, which is fifth dimension or the dimension outside of our universe. 00:12:57.440 --> 00:12:58.000 Yes. 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:07.039 And that is where gravity and black holes and uh and all of that interact with the bulk. 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:20.960 So the idea being is that fifth-dimensional creatures, if they existed in the bulk, they wouldn't know how to look at us or talk to us or anything any more than we could know how to talk to a two-dimensional character. 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:30.320 But in this particular conceit in the movie, they could create this four-dimensional tesseract library box. 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:39.919 And the one way that they can interact with our universe only in one way, and that is through gravity waves. 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:40.399 Yes. 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:44.720 So actually, there's no people traveling in time in this movie. 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:51.440 There is time dilation, but all that can affect early Murph is gravitational waves. 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:51.840 Yes. 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.240 And that is what he is doing in the library. 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:56.000 So that's the whole science thing. 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:00.799 The library is like you said, it's like all it's all one location, but it isn't. 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:08.159 It's it isn't because if you make the coordinates, uh, you have to have time be part of those coordinates. 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:12.799 So it's really several places because the time is different. 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:13.360 Yes. 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:18.000 Earth is well, Earth is spinning, Earth is also moving through orbit. 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:28.799 I mean, yes, there is the the the coordinate, but like at least what what Cooper is is explaining is is all the the they couldn't create ways to communicate in all these different locations. 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:45.600 All it is is one room throughout time, and that that is how he is able to the you know jump back to a certain point in that room's time and do Gravity X and then jump to a different time in that same line. 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.320 He's not actually jumping to that other time. 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:58.000 He is able to see it the same way that we can see a star that existed millions of years ago through the light that is coming to us. 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.840 And so we can see the past, but the past cannot see him. 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:16.000 The only thing that can cross the barrier is gravity, and that's what he's using in that space through the way he's hitting that to make books fall or to make the the watch change or to make the dust come down. 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:16.559 Yeah. 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:21.440 I the fact that he ends up programming an entire equation into a watch. 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:23.039 Uh I mean, don't get me wrong. 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:24.399 It's all the way. 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:35.759 He has help, but at the same time, like it it's it's gonna take her like you know, twenty something odd years to to decode ones and zeros from a watch. 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.559 No, because find out where the starting point is. 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:53.120 Well, and and to the point, like the thing that kind of I mean, this is maybe going away from science a little bit for a moment, but uh the whole running theme of love and how that transcends time is a very interesting thing. 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:54.879 Transcends space and time. 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:56.000 Yeah, that's right. 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:05.200 The the thing that they keep coming back to, uh even in that like one line where Tarz is like, how do you know she's gonna come back for this watch? 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.480 Like you're putting everything in this watch. 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:09.679 Like, how do you know? 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:19.519 Because I gave it to her, and that's just yeah, that's just he's he's gambling the whole thing on his love for his daughter and his daughter's love for him. 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:20.879 It's the power of love. 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:43.039 Yeah, if we didn't write off love as curious, um as a you know, a selfish motivation, like it uh uh that is un uh whether consciously or unconsciously biasing you uh in in a way that's not looking at the greater picture, which is how they treat Anne Hathaway when she says, I I I there's something greater pulling me there. 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:44.480 I know we have to go there. 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:49.919 And imagine if they had gone there, would would the other would the scientist be alive? 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:51.120 Yes, he would have. 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:57.200 Because they wouldn't have taken 30 something well, they definitely wouldn't have lost all the uh the equipment. 00:16:57.519 --> 00:16:59.759 Or or two of their guys. 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:01.279 Like two of the team. 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:10.880 No uh

they were already going to the water where they lost one of their team because he sat there staring at things for way. 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:13.599 No, no, no, it's not his fault. 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:14.720 It I mean, uh yeah. 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:20.240 But um what I'm saying is it is a total human reaction, it is not unbelievable to freeze. 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:25.680 I mean, you can uh I anybody uh can freeze in a moment of panic. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:26.400 Absolutely. 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.240 Yeah, no matter how much you're trained for it, like you never know. 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.079 They could also have believed her earlier and not even gone to the water planet. 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:34.640 True. 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:37.440 Probably not, yeah. 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:41.039 That and it was the closest one, but it was also the one with the colour. 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:52.079 There was also the whole discussion about the fact that that it was going to be a time suck, and it was going to hurt their ability to and hurt his ability to get home. 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:52.559 Yep. 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:59.039 And as Brandt says, like we should consider time a resource like we would with fuel and anything else. 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:03.599 But if they had made that decision, then humanity might have been doomed. 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:04.480 Yeah. 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:06.079 That's true. 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:27.519 Because nobody would have been able to send the signal back to the library for Murph to discover how to solve the problem of getting the the people off Earth and become eventually the fifth dimension residents. 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:37.119 Oh, but do they become the fifth dimension residents or does Brand's new population doctor No, they don't become well the there's a whole group, like she has a whole like nursery. 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:40.559 Cooper thinks Cooper thinks it's it's them. 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:41.920 Well, yeah, but which them? 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.160 Pete from a bootstrap. 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:44.799 Oh. 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:46.880 Now we get this. 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:48.319 It happened, so it happened. 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:50.480 So it happened because it happened. 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:51.119 See? 00:18:51.920 --> 00:19:01.599 No, and you're right, and uh, we we all agree, and uh that is an obvious statement in this film to make, and we're so glad that you're not scared. 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:04.079 Wow. 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:11.200 Despite the fact that there is no actual time travel, it is a closed loop. 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:13.359 It is a closed loop, so yeah. 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:21.519 It is, it's like a closed loop, but it's it's only a closed loop because the fifth dimensional beings can see it all at once. 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:24.880 Yes, but let's which ones are the fifth dimensional beings? 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:28.240 Is it the people in our universe

that managed to get off of Earth? 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:31.279 Or is it the people we grew in the new planet? 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:36.720 It's that like or do they like that's a future, but that was my question. 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:43.519 Well, Cooper thinks it's Burf's group that becomes the fifth dimension, but I don't think anybody knows. 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:48.640 Yeah, it doesn't necessarily or if in fact it is humans that did it. 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:49.680 Yeah. 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:51.200 It could have been other beings. 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:53.839 Yes, other beings are probably nicer than we are. 00:19:54.559 --> 00:20:04.000 The one reason to think that it might have been is because it was necessary for humanity to survive. 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:09.759 That's applying our sense of emotion and moral like it it's like the different planes. 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:15.519 Like who knows how uh anybody else in the universe would behave. 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:20.079 We can't say that they would uh have the same set of values or whatnot that we do. 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:26.400 But then also in reality, how many people would be like for the future of the species? 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.839 And how many people would be like, no, for for the people I love? 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:47.839 Like it's very hard to find somebody who I think I mean, especially in our current world, it it really does feel like people who think about the future of the species, um, if we had more people who did that, then we wouldn't have the problems with the climate we currently do. 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:55.680 The one thing that you guys had mentioned before we we started rolling um was corrected textbooks. 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:00.400 And then I I gave every single one of you a confused look. 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:05.440 Um, because what is a corrected textbook? 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:06.160 Uh-huh. 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:07.519 So, yeah, in the beginning of the movie. 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:08.400 Such a big moment. 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:14.079 Yeah, in the beginning of the movie, um, he has a parent teacher conference that he goes to. 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:16.319 Yes, the moon ending space. 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.200 Okay, that corrected textbook for the corrected. 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:21.599 She is using his textbook. 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:25.599 Yes, where it talks about instead of the corrected textbooks. 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:26.960 Thank you. 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:36.160 And what's fascinating to me is that when I saw this movie in theaters in 2014, that seemed like absurd and wow, a throwaway. 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:38.720 Perfect word. 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:47.039 And re watching the movie earlier today, I was like, what the actual fuck? 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.920 Oh, I was so differently. 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:53.119 Yes, it did hit differently with the Department of Education. 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:55.279 I felt just like Cooper. 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:59.519 I I was like, Yeah, yeah, get go blow up about this, you know. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:02.880 This is this is so horribly wrong. 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:04.799 I got you suspended. 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:16.720 I love uh this is a little bit into the performance here, but I love how fuming he gets and how it he he does. 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:21.440 Cooper is not a loud, angry person. 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.000 When he gets angry, he gets real quiet. 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:26.799 Oh yeah. 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:33.519 And it's like you can feel the the steam coming off of him. 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:39.119 And I thought that that was just such a a great choice as an actor. 00:22:39.440 --> 00:23:00.319 Um and I mean to the to the point where you know he he was like uh where he says, you know, he's talking about his wife, um, and how she would be sitting here instead of me because she was always what does he say, the cooler one, the more patient one, the calm headed one, and you're like, oh shit. 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:03.839 I also really love the so what are you gonna do about it? 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:12.240 Well, you know, she's been kind of interested in baseball recently, and uh there's a baseball game coming up, and I might get her some ice cream. 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:12.960 Yeah, yeah. 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:20.319 Yeah, I'm going to reward her for being smart enough to read past the bullshit. 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:44.960 And uh I there's something to be said about the corrected textbook, and yeah, it's horrifying, but then also that whole situation what do you do when you know the planet is dying and you know, like the the educated few know that there is no hope, but we have this illusion we have to well, if the world is ending, would do you let the public know? 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:47.920 Or well, no, because mass hysteria, right? 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:50.079 And the Michael Caine dilemma. 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:51.039 Don't look up. 00:23:51.359 --> 00:24:02.240 He knows that without the data that you would get from the actual black hole, you can't there is no escaping their future. 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:11.359 That he he's already done the equation, and the equation cannot be completed officially until there is that that X data. 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:22.400 And so he knows that he is sending these guys to the detriment of those on Earth for the betterment of humanity. 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.039 He knows it has to be plan B. 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:25.519 Yeah. 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:27.680 It was never going to be plan A. 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.920 Because they they can't solve the equation. 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:37.200 And it's and yet he knows that he has to make them believe that they can, right? 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:43.759 Because why would it's such a hard call to make, it's such a difficult decision to make. 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:59.039 And to like it, he kind of comes

across almost like uh the villain in some ways, but at the same time, it's like that you sac you you sacrifice yourself, so nobody else has to live with this, nobody else has to make that call. 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:20.319 He's taking that burden away from everybody else, and he's he's offering them hope, which means they can live their lives as best they can until which is a gift in itself, but it's such a really tragic character and and such a like uh a great moment when you find out it was all lie, yeah. 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.240 And you find it out in two different locations. 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:28.880 Like you find it out when he confesses to Murph, and you find it out when they find out Murph tells them with Matt Damon. 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:30.400 Oh man Matt Damon. 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:31.359 Matt Damon. 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:37.680 Oh, what he was the greatest character, man. 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:45.759 Tell you what, we're gonna take a few moments to fill our glasses and get ready to embed more after this. 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.400 Hey Michael, I got some cool news. 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:51.680 You got some cool news? 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00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:23.039 I love the the idea of the uh AI in this uh situation. 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:28.160 There are they are AI you want to hang out with, they are smart and funny, 75% humor. 00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:29.920 The adjustable part. 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:44.559 I mean, I need to be able to adjust,

Alexa, you know, in particular the honesty level that it knows not to be 100% honest honest with humans um because of emotion and whatnot. 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:50.079 And already and explains in a very comprehensive, almost scientific way. 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.599 Yeah, like it's just you can't do this with humans. 00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:58.880 People can't handle 100% honesty, so yeah. 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:04.160 So I love that anything more than 90%, people are gonna get pissed off. 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:04.960 Yeah, right. 00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:11.599 And then it continuously calls back to I mean, Coop and uh Brand say that over and over. 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:12.720 Honesty level. 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:13.200 90%. 00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:18.960 Yep, yes, self-destruct in yeah, all right, right after I blow you out the airlock, yeah. 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.960 Well, but it understands 2001 space odyssey. 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:29.359 As long as we're talking about characters, I do have to make a plug for Mackenzie Foy, young Murph. 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.319 Oh, yes, yes, yes, fantastic. 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.359 I was so engaged whenever she was on the screen. 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:51.440 Aside from the fact that they look similarly, I do love I love whenever you have a young actor and an older actor that are playing the same character, and they both, at least on this viewing, I don't really feel like one was trying to be the other. 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.079 They were literally complimenting one another. 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:54.559 That's right. 00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:57.359 To try to be like, we're going to be the same person. 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:04.640 They kind of borrowed a little bit from each other, I felt, having seen a number of Jessica Chestain films. 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:09.920 I feel like she wasn't just you know, like like Tom Hanks is usually Tom Hanks in a movie. 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:12.480 Nicholas Cage is always Nicholas Cage. 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:12.799 Right. 00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:19.839 And so like I feel like there was there, there was like a little bit of a study between the two of them. 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.039 Yeah, that was very believable. 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:32.240 And in a way, I think, between um not as clear, but uh between uh Timothy Chalamet and Casey Affleck. 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:32.880 Yes. 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:37.200 Um I very much believed that they were the exact same person. 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:44.400 It was it was heartbreaking when Jessica Chastain Smurf was doing the Did You Know. 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:45.119 Yeah. 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:46.000 Oh yeah. 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:46.880 Yeah. 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.039 Oh man, that hurt. 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:49.440 Yeah. 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.319 That just that just hurt so bad. 00:31:52.559 --> 00:32:03.359 Well, and I I I love the um the montage of uh videos that you get when he comes back from the water planet where it's Miller's, yeah. 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.640 Yeah, it's all of the time that's missed on all this whole life. 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:07.200 Yeah. 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:08.720 And and just snippets. 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:10.319 30 something odd years. 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.079 And it's heartbreaking. 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:34.319 And I saw an interview I remember at some point with Matthew McConaughey, where he was talking about how there was like a rehearsal period, like there was something where they wanted to go through this, and he was very much uh about no, I need you need to roll the camera on this because the first time that I experience all of this, you are going to get very raw. 00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.599 And then I'm gonna be trying to replicate that every time. 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:38.160 Yeah. 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:50.559 And because it was the first time that he would hear all of this, yes, and he really wanted to be in the moment, and so um, yeah, and they ended up rolling it, and he was like, and they used that very first take. 00:32:50.640 --> 00:33:00.960 We did multiple takes, but they used that first take because it was the most raw, which makes the most sense because he was really in the moment, he was present, and yeah, and and it's heartbreaking. 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:16.400 It's heartbreaking just to uh anything, it's clear in the way that they held on him for so much of it because he he was showing you both sides just in his reaction. 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.359 Yeah, it was emotional, yeah. 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:31.359 Because even though, like, much like Matt Damon's character, you can know the reality of a thing, accepting it and actually like living it is different than just knowing it. 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.000 Matt Damon is such a good bad guy. 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.160 Yes, he is such a good bad guy. 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.279 He's such a good coward, such a good weasel. 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:41.119 He did that very well. 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.519 How do you feel about his character being man? 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.240 Like his name being man. 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.440 I do, I I uh I appreciate that. 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:50.799 I haven't thought of it. 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:57.200 He was the best of us, and it did it took him years before he broke down. 00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:06.720 And I feel like it it encompasses an arrange of humanity in that way, because he was the best of us and the worst of us, all wrapped in one. 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.000 And uh as man. 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:20.159 And it also really kind of focuses in on the um that that foible of self-preservation. 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:31.440 I mean, going back to our discussion in predestination, which people can watch, uh the idea of would you be willing to kill yourself in order to prevent the future from happening? 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.920 And that is a little bit

of what he is faced with here, right? 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.480 Uh see, John, you're doing it to other people now. 00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:38.960 They all want to. 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:39.679 I'm taking that. 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.559 He's he's now now he's gonna say uh he says watch. 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:44.800 Like you can watch with your ears. 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:51.280 Yes, our our listeners should watch these movies. 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:52.000 Oh, good. 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:52.639 Okay, yes. 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.719 Yes, watch the movie. 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.519 Yeah. 00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:56.960 Yes, very good. 00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:01.440 Now, I I I do have one one science flashback for you. 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:06.480 Why did the um uh the Indian satellite come down? 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:07.119 Yeah, good. 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:08.960 You know, the uh the the the rock. 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:17.920 Yeah, the one that they chased it come down, the one that they chased down through the cornfields and uh and got so he could use the almost driver cleaning. 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:18.800 It was a drone. 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:20.000 Okay, the drone, yes. 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:21.920 Why did the drone was it a weather drone? 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:36.480 So yeah it it was it was uh Well he talked about how it maybe this it fried the circuits fried, like just being up there so he also talked about how it was almost like it was seeking a signal of some kind. 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.039 Yeah, because of those fifth dimensional people. 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:55.760 Think about the fact that all of the combines suddenly went haywire when they plugged into that, lost track of their magnetic connection in terms of what direction it was, and that is because of gravity. 00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:22.159 Both of those things were because the house had been affected by gravity from the fifth dimension from the Tesseract when Cooper was there, a gravity effect into our three-dimensional world that affected the gravitational pull around that house, which affected both that drone and the combines. 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:22.639 Yeah. 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:23.679 That is so cool. 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:28.559 And you know, I didn't I I I don't think I ever because there's so much in this movie. 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.559 I think that's one thing I never really thought too much about after. 00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:33.440 Yeah. 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:34.400 That is so cool. 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:36.239 It's it's a big film. 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.159 There's so much going on in it. 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:52.559 I mean, even even down to the the the world at the end with the baseball field in the the circular uh almost a Dyson sphere, almost like uh that that it that it's in. 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.039 So excited it broke those those poor people's windows. 00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:58.880 Probably happens all the time. 00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:01.360 Happens all the time. 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:04.159 So excited though. 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:16.000 Um yeah, but the fact that um the it it it is such an epic and that it's almost two stories, everything on earth versus everything after. 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:24.960 Um and then the editing on how they put everything together is is just really well done. 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:35.440 I think it worked, and just like I think that Project Hail Mary's editing worked as far as that aspect of it, even though some may disagree. 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:52.719 The the thing that really grabs me every single time for this movie, there's a particular moment, and it's not, you know, uh a typical Christopher Nolan booming so loud on top of dialogue that you can't understand. 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.079 Um which I'm not it's not a dig at him. 00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:58.000 It is pretty common, though. 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.320 I actually enjoy that about him. 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.639 It's it's weird, but I like it. 00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.920 Um uh I know a lot of other people don't. 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.519 But um it's the thunderstorm in space. 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:24.159 That's something that I I don't know what it is about it, but since the first moment that I saw it, when you have the the it's when they come out of their their nap, their long nap, and they're approaching Saturn. 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:30.719 Oh the sound of the earth and a thunderstorm, and then it cuts to and the crickets, yeah. 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:41.360 And it cuts to the uh the endurance moving past a planet, and you just hear uh a thunderstorm. 00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:49.760 And I I just thought it was just I don't know, there was just something very beautiful about it um that was very contradictory to one another. 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.000 The silence of space and the noise of position. 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:54.800 There you go. 00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:02.159 Um, but yeah, something about that really just I don't know why, but it hooked its claws in me. 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:08.400 And it's one of the things that I remember when I think about this movie, I think about that, which is weird. 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:23.119 Yeah, it's it's fascinating because of the fact that there is no sound in space, and yet, you know, you want to have a sound that's going to bring the audience into the moment. 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:24.000 Yep. 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:38.320 And so you have to, as a director, find ways to make sound work in the emptiness of space without the Star Wars just your new explosions that you wouldn't actually know. 00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:39.679 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:42.159 Or just John Williams in general. 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:51.199 To which this film really honors it really like in multiple ways, you do not hear sound in space. 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.360 When they are

docking, you do not hear anything. 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:53.599 Right. 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:55.119 And it builds suspense. 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:56.400 Oh, God, whatever. 00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:13.519 When when they after they they uh they dock with endurance and they're they're floating through the ship, and it's currently venting out into space, you're hearing nothing until all of a sudden they close the door and then you hear the alarms. 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:18.480 Yeah, and then you hear all the because it's now enclosed and there's an atmosphere. 00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:19.199 Oh god. 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:21.920 Um it's it's very it's quite beautiful. 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.199 Matt Damon's final words are the only thing you hear. 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:26.559 Explosion silence. 00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:27.760 Very cool stuff. 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:32.400 It's yeah, it just it's taking that actual reality. 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:34.320 Again, it goes back to the science. 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:41.599 It's the realness of it rather than going for the oh, we're gonna make explosions in space. 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:54.320 Yeah, no, it's it's about the actual realness of it and making the silence work and then contrasting it with sound when you're inside. 00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:54.880 Yeah. 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:59.360 Christopher Nolan just knows how to to push those buttons. 00:40:59.679 --> 00:40:59.920 Yes. 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:08.480 And he's he's not afraid to make dialogue versus the environment really compete with one another. 00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:08.880 Yeah. 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:18.320 And and I I get the the complaint that people have where they're like, I don't understand what they're saying because the environment is so loud. 00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.880 But that is done by design. 00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:28.480 And the more that you watch the film, I think you get why it's done that way. 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:42.320 Well, I mean, I would think uh just without a specific example, I would think that it's meant to make you feel uneasy, it's meant to make you feel anxious, it's meant to make you feel like like lean in, it's meant to get a reaction out of you. 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:42.960 Yeah. 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:45.920 Um that's more immersive to the film. 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:46.320 Yeah. 00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:48.000 This is a really good drink. 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:48.960 It really is. 00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:50.400 Very good. 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:52.880 It's gonna make editing so much fun for Michael. 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:54.000 Dangerously good. 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:55.920 Yes, it is. 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:02.480 Pete, is there anything else that that you have going on uh coming up? 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:26.480 Well, uh, I just want to let you know that I just had a wonderful, amazing exhibit of my photography up in Chicago uh recently, um uh along with the performance, and that is all leading to a uh comprehensive Living Canvas book that will be released sometime, hopefully in 2027. 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:27.280 All right. 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.039 I'm working on that now. 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:48.719 Uh, and I'm using the uh the feedback from the exhibit that I just had, and um, there will be an entire hardcover book with photography and history and stories and interviews and all sorts of stuff about Living Canvas, which is my art form. 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:55.360 So uh yeah, keep an eye on that and uh uh keep in touch with me, and I'll let you know when that's coming out. 00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.840 Wonderful! Yay! Well, um, I'm Jonathan C. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.320 Leggett, and thanks for imbibing with us. 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:03.599 Cheers.