บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Making a Difference When It Matters Most | Emma Weaver of Downriver Doula

very quick birth. 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:38.399 I didn't even know the husband's name until after the baby was delivered. 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:40.079 And awesome. 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:47.839 Um, yeah, so I had already signed up for the training, and but then after that, I was like, this is I'm gonna do this. 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:49.199 This is what I want to do. 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:50.720 What a great story. 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:55.680 How long did the classes and training take you before you were able to work on your own? 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.720 So there's not a lot of regulations around that. 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:04.240 Like someone could say they're a doula and go support a bird tomorrow, you know, just like I did actually. 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:10.000 But um the training took me about it was three full days of training over a weekend. 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.560 And then after that, actually. 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:19.680 Okay, so how long was it from when you did your training to when you could start doing your doula services? 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:21.839 So I started right away. 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:37.759 So after my training, I um my trainer actually suggested different ways of um trying to get um clients because part of the certification process is attending for the organization I was certifying through. 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:43.600 I needed to um attend support three births before I could be certified. 00:05:43.839 --> 00:06:04.319 So I had already created my Instagram account and Facebook page and website, and I put on there on my social media accounts that I was looking for clients and that I was going to support um for free for the first three clients that I could get so that I, you know, could get some experience. 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:18.639 Um, so very quickly I had a friend from church and then um two people I didn't know at all reach out and I attended and supported those births within um just maybe like three weeks of my training. 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:27.600 Um, and then from there I um continued to take on clients and started charging a bit after that. 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:38.079 Um, but I wasn't certified until I want to say April of my training was in October of 23, and then I was certified by April of 24. 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:39.360 So two years ago now. 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:40.240 That's awesome. 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:43.199 Do you know how many brothers do you have supported? 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:49.040 Yes, I want to say I need to go back because I just went to a birth a couple weeks ago, but I think I'm at 21. 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:50.800 Um how exciting! 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:58.240 Yeah, what a special thing to be able to say that you help families bring new life into the world. 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:00.639 That it is a gift that gives me chills. 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:02.720 Aww. 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.040 So you have a partner. 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.920 How did you decide when you needed a partner? 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:14.399 And how do you even pick a partner for something so special and important? 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:26.399 One of the first lessons I learned was I cannot take on more than one client a month because I took on a lot right away. 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.199 And then my body did not like that. 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.319 It's a lot of physical work too. 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:33.920 It's a lot mentally. 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:35.680 Very quickly, I learned that. 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:44.160 I want to say about three months into it, I started looking for, I really wanted to have um a doula partner. 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:52.720 Um, but I really wanted someone who had just a similar look on life, just so that like business too. 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:55.839 I really wanted to have someone who's honest and I could trust. 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:03.680 And saw this woman who made an Instagram account that she was a doula, and it it probably popped up on my feed because I'm a doula. 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:12.720 I knew of her because she goes to a um a church that I know of, and she has we have mutual friends. 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.439 So I knew of her, but I'd never met her before. 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:17.680 And so I her Instagram popped up. 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:20.240 I sent her a message, I said, hey, let's get together. 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:21.759 Um, so we got together. 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:28.079 I want to say that was like February or April of 24, two years ago now. 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:42.879 And um I met her for breakfast, and in that meeting, after we're talking for like an hour or so about like she had just become a doula too, we're talking about faith, about our lives, about our kids, all the things. 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:47.519 And in that meeting, I was like, Hey, do you want to do this together? 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:48.960 Do you want to be partners? 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.440 And I had just met her that day. 00:08:51.679 --> 00:09:04.399 Um, but I I think because we had mutual friends and I knew like people that knew her, and I from just the conversations we had, like, okay, like I think we're doing this for the same reasons. 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:06.000 That was huge to me for me too. 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:10.799 I I I wanted to go into it with someone who was doing it for the same reasons as me. 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:14.000 Um and she said, Yeah, I want to do that. 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:20.000 So um we became friends and business partners at the same time. 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:21.360 And she's great. 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:22.480 Her name's Hope. 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:27.919 And yeah, we take on clients together now, and um yeah, it's it's great. 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.279 So that's how I got a development business partner. 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:32.639 I love that. 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.000 That's a gutsy move. 00:09:34.320 -->

00:09:34.720 It is. 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:36.639 That's kind of how I roll, apparently. 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:40.879 I'm just very um yeah, I take risks apparently. 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.840 That's something you need in business though, to be able to take risks. 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:51.279 Yeah, you do, you do, and you learn from these risks and mistakes and all the things, but that is true. 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:55.039 So, what would you say is your superpower as an entrepreneur? 00:09:55.360 --> 00:10:04.159 Um, my it probably, I mean, you'll probably get that from that story, but I am very much like a people person. 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:06.320 I love to get to know people. 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:11.759 I want to um very some might think it's nosy, some might think I'm curious. 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.519 Like I just want to get to know people and build a relationship with them. 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:19.120 And I think that helps in this business a lot. 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:33.360 I think when people hopefully when they interact with me just in a consultation or if they end up hiring Hope and I as their doulas, um, I hope they see that I genuinely care about them and want to help. 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:34.639 And that's why I'm doing this. 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:41.519 Definitely a great one to have when you're helping families through such an important time in their lives. 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:48.720 It's something that's needed in your area, but also you have a limited amount of time that you can offer and a limited number of slots. 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.320 You have a limited number of bursts that you can do. 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:54.159 So, how are you looking for clients? 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.480 For the most part, word of mouth works really well and people come to us. 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:05.440 And also because I want to do this long term, I am not trying to take, you know, trying to get as many clients as possible. 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:06.639 That's not how I do it. 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:10.879 I think after 21 babies, you probably have a lot of referrals. 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:14.559 Yes, we do get a lot of referrals, which is really sweet. 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:22.879 I do have a client who is always telling people about them, but she's referred me to quite a few moms, which is really sweet. 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:24.080 So I love that. 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:32.879 I know um you mentioned earlier that you offer services for pre-birth, birth, and postpartum. 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:37.679 So can you walk your the audience through a little bit of what that consists of? 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:38.320 Yeah. 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:55.279 So we um set up two meetings prenatally with our families, and one of the meetings is more about like the birth plan and options in labor and um comfort measures and getting to know them. 00:11:55.440 --> 00:12:01.039 So we're if they're hiring us early on in the pregnancy, we're taking that time to just get to know them too. 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:17.759 Um, they're usually at people's houses for a couple of hours, um, and we kind of talk about all of the birth preferences, and then the second meeting prenatally is closer to their due date, and it's more about what to expect postpartum and just how things have been going at appointments. 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:24.559 We also set up a group text with our clients, and if they want to add their partner husbands in the group text, too, they can. 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:32.080 And um, that gives us like a way to communicate throughout the whole pregnancy and even afterwards about how things are going. 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:36.399 And then in labor, it depends on who's on call. 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:42.480 So whoever sometimes people will call me and then I'll say, Oh, folks on call, I'll call her, you can call her. 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:51.039 Um, so whoever's on call will support the birth and we stay with them from the time that they need like support. 00:12:51.200 --> 00:13:00.399 Sometimes they really need physical support, sometimes they are not doing, you know, it's been 12 hours at home already and they need us, they just need some emotional support too. 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.679 So we might go to their house um and help them there. 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:09.679 Usually once they're in active labor, though, is when we come and then or we'll meet them at the hospital. 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.279 Um, if things are quick, we'll meet them at the hospital for sure. 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:20.559 And then we support them there in all the ways I said before, you know, physically, emotionally, informationally. 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:29.360 We advocate, and then we'll stay with them a few hours after the baby's born too, and like help with breastfeeding and making sure they're settled after two. 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.960 I always like to say, I will stay until you are settled. 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.679 So that could be two hours, it could be four hours. 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:37.600 I've stayed six hours, you know. 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:43.120 Um so postpartum, we come usually within the first week or two. 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:48.399 We bring a meal, we sit with them, and if they want to talk about the birth, we can talk about it. 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:53.200 I've folded a lot of laundry, I've vacuumed a lot of houses, meal prep, stuff like that. 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.840 Just like get them, support them in whatever way. 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:58.480 Sometimes I'm holding their baby so they can take a nap. 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:00.879 But some people want me to do things around the house. 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:06.960 So at both postpartum visits we do two, um, we do stuff like that and we bring a meal to one of the visits. 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.120 Hope makes sourdough and she brings sourdough, or she'll give it to me. 00:14:11.200

--> 00:14:15.519 I do not make sourdough, so she will bring sourdough to um I can bring to them too. 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:19.600 What a blessing for those moms to have that aftercare. 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:22.000 It's yeah, it's a really sweet time. 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:34.639 Um, yeah, it is it is really special to be allowed, you know, that they allow us to come in, you know, because sometimes people don't want to have people visiting it that during that time. 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:39.759 So it is always really sweet to come and check in on them and spend some time with them. 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:48.080 Have you ever run into cases in the hospital where the doctors and nurses are a little hesitant to let you do your thing? 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:48.879 Yes. 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:53.679 A lot of the time it's hospitals in our area, unfortunately, in downriver. 00:14:53.919 --> 00:15:03.759 I think there is, and maybe some doulas for sure, have done some things that me or said things, you know, that have gone over the line. 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.879 They're like jumping into giving medical advice. 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:18.960 I I don't do give medical advice or do any of the medical things I'm strictly support, and I will give you information, but I'm not about to give medical advice. 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:28.879 So I think there's this thought from a lot of doctors, maybe in our area, that doulas are there to like take their place and say that the doctors are doing things wrong. 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:32.559 So I think they have this idea that's what we would be. 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:45.519 But yeah, I try to go into it then with this, you know, walk-in, I introduce myself, and I want us all to be a team to support in different ways this family in this process. 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:48.879 So hopefully they see that when I'm coming in the room. 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:53.440 I'm not, I do not want to fight with the doctors or the nurses. 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.960 Like I want us all to work together to support this family in different ways. 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:58.320 We all play a different role. 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.120 And hopefully they start to see. 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:13.600 Um, if doctors are against that, they start to see that we're just there to support and support in a different way that they can't, because they can't be in the room with their patients for the entirety of their labor, usually. 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:14.799 So we can. 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:16.559 That's what we're hired to do. 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:17.440 So yeah. 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:23.679 I love that approach that you have that you see that there's a certain response sometimes. 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:32.799 And so you go in proactively to kind of head it off and say, look, we're a team to support this family and this mom. 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:34.799 And each of us has a different role. 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:35.919 And I understand that. 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.960 Or however you say that, I think that's really smart on your part. 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:46.559 What are some of the great things that you've been able to provide for families that help them during the birthing process? 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:54.480 One of the things I love in my bag is these organization website, whatever, of uh it's called Evidence-based birth. 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:55.840 Great resource. 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:57.919 They have these booklets. 00:16:58.080 --> 00:16:58.799 There's different ones. 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:07.599 So there's one on comfort measures, there's one on interventions, there's one on newborn procedures, and I love having those. 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:13.200 And I can something might be brought up by the doctor, like, hey, we're recommending this thing. 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.759 And my client is like, I don't know what that is. 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:17.279 Can you give me information? 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:21.200 And I can whip that thing out and share that with them. 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:22.480 So I love having that. 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:31.279 And I love being able to like help my clients find information about whatever they're, you know, whatever it is they're looking for. 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:44.799 If it's information about epidurals or um hepatitis B shar, vitamin K, all the things, just um evidence-based based information so that they can um make an informed decision on their own. 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.920 And um, another thing I have in my bag that I love is my rebozo. 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:53.039 So it's this, it's like this long piece of cloth. 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:54.880 You can use it for a couple different things. 00:17:55.039 --> 00:18:04.720 Like during labor, you can use it to help kind of like wiggle your pelvis to move so that baby can move around and give make some space in there. 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:08.559 So um, yeah, we I have that and I'd use that a bunch. 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:10.960 Um, and I have what else? 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.519 What are some things we do a lot of counterpressure? 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:14.400 That's my hands. 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:18.240 My trainer, I would I like love her so much that trained me. 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.680 This isn't even her quote, but she said it, and so I heard it from her. 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:38.480 But all a duel needs is that her hands in their heart, and I like remember that whenever I go to a birth that I really need my hands and my heart, and all the inform all the things in my bag are great, and all the information, all those things are great and should have those things. 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.680 But when I go into it with that, that really helps me. 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:48.000 But I use my hands a lot to do counterpressure or massage or just like a touch on the arm. 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:57.200 And some moms don't want that, so you can tell

me to stop touching you, and I will, um, or I will for sure ask before I do any of those things. 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:04.480 But um, a lot of moms need like counterpressure, and so yeah, my hands are a great tool in the green um labor. 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:05.599 Hope would say the same. 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:05.920 Yeah. 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:17.920 And it kind of goes back to that 2000s, and we we consider ourselves so modern, but women helping women through childbirth has been around for thousands of years. 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:20.720 And when all else fails, you have your hands and your heart. 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:33.119 That kind of brings it full circle through all the fancy things that you could have and in our day and age of technology, but sometimes it's just a kind word helping her through a contraction. 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:38.640 I don't, I'm not going to pretend to know I know anything outside of my own birth experiences. 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:49.920 So um, but I'm I imagine that you and hope have helped a lot of women through a lot of a lot of nerves, a lot of fear, some stress and pain. 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:50.960 I hope so. 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:54.480 I I my Jula did that same thing for me. 00:19:54.559 --> 00:20:04.079 So I hope, you know, women really remember what is said to them in labor to open a study on that, which is really an interesting thing um to look at. 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.279 But um you remember what people say to you in labor. 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:09.920 And if people are encouraging you, you remember that. 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:10.880 It's huge. 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:11.599 Yeah. 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:12.400 Oh yes. 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:24.559 We have a funny quote in our family from with my first son, we were at the hospital and there was a nurse that just would say and it drove me crazy. 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:26.640 And that's that's when you need to do that. 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:28.319 That became a standing joke, right? 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:30.880 Exactly. 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:32.000 Exactly. 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:37.680 So your yes, your moms are getting to remember beautiful, lovely, calm. 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:38.960 I hope so. 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.799 You do have a very calming presence, and I imagine that that's something that's helpful. 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.160 Is that something you come by naturally or you had to learn it? 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:55.039 I didn't realize I had that, and people have told me that now that I've become a doula, which is really very sweet. 00:20:55.200 --> 00:21:03.119 I didn't realize that they're gonna remember what I say, and I don't want to um yeah, have a negative impact in the birth space. 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:04.240 I love that. 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:19.039 So you have two little girls of your own, and um, we were chatting off to the side, and you said that one of the reasons that you limit how many clients you take on

is so that you can have time with your family. 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:27.279 How does your being an entrepreneur and them watching you have how does that influence them? 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:33.599 Have you seen any mimicking or I want to be like you, mommy, or any of those things? 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:36.559 There's two answers that I have for this. 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:46.240 The first is my youngest, yes, she wants she she's I think she knows kind of what I do at this point in in her own little way. 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:48.079 Like I think she has an idea of what it is. 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:54.559 Um, and she also is very fascinated by birth and pregnancy and breastfeeding and all the things. 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:59.599 So she is wanting to pretend that that I'm actually she wants me to. 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:52.160 pretend I'm having a baby baby every day and she's my midwife so or my doula she's playing all the roles um so that's really cute but at the same time she if I put my shoes on that I wear to all the births that I go to she she'll say I don't want you to go to a birth so I think she's put together that I'm gone for quite a bit when I do go to a birth and it is only like once a month if that so um but I think it is it's hard um it's hard when I'm gone for them I think so that is why I I limit it so much because I don't want it to um negatively impact their lives but I when I get home it is always an exciting thing to like tell them that the baby was born and they're always excited about it you know if I come home the next morning or whatever and I'm like I was with the baby in a mana last night helping them and they they get excited about it. 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:54.079 Aw so cute. 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:57.200 And I you mentioned that you want to do this long term. 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:22.400 So I think it will be interesting to watch as your girls get older and watch you grow into the business even more and just get to see how you mature as a businesswoman and the things that you learn about business and babies and helping women there's so many facets that you're learning and as they get older they might see things differently at different stages of their lives. 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:28.079 And probably some a lot different after they you know like 20 or something like that. 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:47.279 And they can see even you know even a little more oh that's what mom was doing or wow that's so cool that my mom has her own business you know oh I hope so I hope it is this thing they think of that is really cool and that they would be interested in even right now I think it is they don't understand it fully. 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:50.160 So it's hard for their little minds to understand. 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:51.440 For sure for sure. 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:59.519 Hi we're taking a quick break during this fantastic interview to invite you to subscribe to the Highlight Her podcast newsletter. 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:14.400 That's right there's a newsletter that gets each episode delivered to your inbox and soon there will be additional features as well if you love supporting small businesses and hearing great success stories you're going to want to subscribe. 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:22.400 Link in show notes back to our interview okay so we've reached the lightning round of just some fun short questions. 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:25.680 What is your favorite coffee, tea, or hot chocolate? 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.920 Coffee all right that's the one answer ooh what kind? 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:35.519 I have a espresso machine at my house so I do just like an ice latte with some maple syrup. 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:56.480 Are you an early bird or a night owl night owl and is there a tool or app that helps you run your business my notes out there you go and what is your favorite way to unwind after a long business day so either whether you're working on things for clients or you've gone to a berth what's your favorite way to unwind? 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:57.359 Go to sleep. 00:24:57.519 --> 00:24:59.440 Take a shower first and then go to sleep. 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:35.039 Lastly is there a woman that you'd like to highlight yes my um friend Elena Miller she owns a particular photography business we grew up on the same street so we were um we grew up together and um she takes beautiful photos so I wanted to shout her out and recommend her to anyone who's getting married she does like mostly weddings but she also does um other shoots too so does she have a specific name for her business or is it just Elena Miller? 00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:39.839 I think it's Elena Miller photo yes I love that yeah or photography. 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:41.359 Maybe I need to look this up now. 00:25:41.680 --> 00:26:00.720 It's okay okay Emma if someone wanted to start something similar to you say a service specific to women what's one piece of advice that you would give them I for this specific um business I would highly recommend reaching out to a doula um to ask them questions. 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:13.200 That's I did that with my own doula I did it with other doula's around and a lot of doula's go into this business to help people so a lot of the time they are happy to help. 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:31.200 Audience if you want to follow Emma on social media she is downriver underscore doula on Facebook and Instagram her website is downriverdoula.com and downriver meaning approximately 20 minutes southwest of Metro Detroit. 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:39.920 Thank you so much for joining us today Emma I'll make sure I put everything in the show notes so you can find Emma online. 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:49.440 Audience thank you so much for listening to the podcast today if you love supporting women owned businesses join the Highlight Her network newsletter. 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:54.079 The link is in the show notes when you receive the newsletter you won't miss an episode. 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:58.960 Emma thank you so much for joining us I really appreciate your time and conversation