บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Prison Inside Out

time. 00:02:20.705 --> 00:02:21.486 Yeah, 20 years old. 00:02:21.486 --> 00:02:23.692 Because you're young, bro, you're young. 00:02:23.692 --> 00:02:24.593 You said you were 35. 00:02:24.593 --> 00:02:31.401 Yeah, moment in time, 20 years old. 00:02:31.401 --> 00:02:32.364 Yeah, because you're young, bro, you're young. 00:02:32.364 --> 00:02:32.965 You said you were 35. 00:02:32.965 --> 00:02:33.786 Yeah, I'll be 35 in two weeks. 00:02:33.786 --> 00:02:35.088 Oh shit, so you're actually 34. 00:02:35.088 --> 00:02:35.710 Yeah, yeah, you're young dude. 00:02:35.710 --> 00:02:36.450 Yeah, um, wow, bro, 20. 00:02:36.450 --> 00:02:36.651 Now. 00:02:36.651 --> 00:02:39.918 Did the og deputies tell you oh man, this wasn't like this prior to you showing up? 00:02:40.661 --> 00:02:52.026 no, um, it was less, less inmates you know, know, when I started, kern County was, the detention deputies were real old school, so nobody talked to you, nobody shook your hand. 00:02:52.026 --> 00:02:55.312 It was one of those just watch and learn. 00:02:55.312 --> 00:03:01.353 And the good thing about Kern County and the jail system is they had a six week FTO program. 00:03:01.353 --> 00:03:08.024 So it was actually really cool and it was good for us to learn, because every two weeks you did something different. 00:03:08.024 --> 00:03:11.472 So the first two weeks all you're doing is watching. 00:03:11.472 --> 00:03:22.484 You're not doing anything besides watching, and then the two weeks after that you do half and half, so you like assist with half the escorts, whatever's going on for the day, and then the last two weeks it's all you. 00:03:22.885 --> 00:03:26.343 Is there an academy is going on for the day, and in the last two weeks it's all you. 00:03:26.343 --> 00:03:26.764 Is there an academy? 00:03:26.764 --> 00:03:27.006 They have? 00:03:27.006 --> 00:03:28.651 Yeah, they have an academy that you can go through. 00:03:28.651 --> 00:03:43.605 Um, but at the time I know I'm sorry they have an academy if you want to transition to deputy okay, so at that one streets, yeah, yeah so at that one night you just go through their, their process, their uh, polygraph test, their uh background polygraph to work inside of the jail. 00:03:43.825 --> 00:03:44.127 Oh, yeah, oh I? 00:03:44.247 --> 00:03:45.090 Oh, I wouldn't have made it bro. 00:03:45.110 --> 00:03:51.969 Yeah, I don't know how I did to be honest, but yeah, not that I'm a criminal or anything, but you know how that goes, man, oh yeah. 00:03:52.139 --> 00:03:54.205 Well, I originally applied for a bunch of places. 00:03:54.205 --> 00:03:58.146 Right out of high school I worked in the group homes with juvenile delinquents. 00:03:58.146 --> 00:04:06.342 Oh dude, you were built for this shit. 00:04:06.362 --> 00:04:08.411 oh man, uh, those kids were traumatizing me more probably there than I did in the state. 00:04:08.411 --> 00:04:10.639 What do you think is worse working with kids or working with female inmates? 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:11.401 That's a tough one. 00:04:11.540 --> 00:04:24.458 They're both I hate them both, you know yeah speaking of female inmates, well, I started at vsp not to to jump ahead, but uh, they were transitioning from vspw to VSP, so I got a little taste of the females. 00:04:24.458 --> 00:04:25.160 Oh, no, dude. 00:04:25.581 --> 00:04:30.031 We'll get to that once we unravel your county time. 00:04:30.031 --> 00:04:33.785 Yeah, but the county, so what would you say? 00:04:33.785 --> 00:04:39.005 The tempo was, in comparison to the state, busy, not busy. 00:04:39.005 --> 00:04:41.185 Well, it was really busy. 00:04:41.185 --> 00:04:42.605 Violent not violent. 00:04:43.086 --> 00:04:43.869 Very violent, yeah. 00:04:43.869 --> 00:04:47.069 So, from what I remember, we had CPOD, which was like our. 00:04:47.069 --> 00:04:50.569 You can pretty much label it like an EOP level four, ad sig. 00:04:50.569 --> 00:04:52.646 It was just violent, crazy. 00:04:52.646 --> 00:04:56.850 And the shitty thing about the county is they have buzzards in their cells. 00:04:56.850 --> 00:05:00.310 So if you work a control booth, that buzzard is going off every four seconds. 00:05:00.310 --> 00:05:02.968 There's no way to you guys don't have any tricks. 00:05:02.968 --> 00:05:06.384 No seconds, there's no way to you guys don't have any tricks. 00:05:06.384 --> 00:05:07.007 No, I mean, you can like mute it. 00:05:07.007 --> 00:05:09.298 I think you could screen it out, like where you hold the button down, but then you have 50 other cells. 00:05:09.298 --> 00:05:10.723 All fucking right, you know what I mean. 00:05:10.723 --> 00:05:25.252 And so, um, yeah, they got a little bit of everything there and, uh, you know, from delano to la, a lot, a lot of southerners, you know, um, so you got that whole big fraction and then we had a tank full of northerners so go through real quick. 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:31.379 What gangs, real quick, right off the top of your head, were there um, over there, you had everybody. 00:05:31.500 --> 00:05:35.367 we had our, uh, northerners and a big, big fraction of southerners. 00:05:35.367 --> 00:05:40.088 You know, from delano to um, from delano to la, that's all southern territory. 00:05:40.088 --> 00:05:42.959 So we had a lot of southerners, a lot, we had everybody. 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.610 We had a lot of blacks, a lot of whites, and then we had a minimum um, southerners, a lot, we had everybody. 00:05:45.610 --> 00:05:52.086 We had a lot of blacks, a lot of whites, and then we had a minimum um, a minimum yard from what I remember with, with 20 barracks, big fucking yard and, uh, just chaotic. 00:05:52.086 --> 00:05:54.805 Well, you say barracks, were they bunk beds? 00:05:54.805 --> 00:05:56.370 Yeah, just like 200. 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:01.132 Um, who would be passing through DUI people man. 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:11.101 Um, who would be be? 00:06:11.101 --> 00:06:11.704 Who gets to stay there? 00:06:11.704 -->

00:06:12.165 Oh, anything in anyone. 00:06:12.165 --> 00:06:12.829 You know it was so overcrowded. 00:06:12.829 --> 00:06:23.370 Um, honestly, they probably had a little bit of everybody right and, um, it was overcrowded, so, any, I think, like most of the stadiums that were doing small time, like five to ten years, they just kicked them to the barracks, no fucking which was a little scary because we had guys that thought they were tough. 00:06:23.620 --> 00:06:25.492 You know, we had, um, guys are, oh, I'm, I'm m. 00:06:25.492 --> 00:06:36.810 You know, we had guys that were, oh, I'm, ma Right, and we're like, well, you know, we're going to get some dudes from Corcoran and Kern Valley and they said they're active and they're like, well, hold up, hold up From where? 00:06:36.810 --> 00:06:43.649 And then, you know, so were they trying to buff um, bluff all the youngsters? 00:06:43.649 --> 00:06:44.952 Oh, and they, they did. 00:06:44.952 --> 00:06:46.742 You know, right, we? 00:06:46.742 --> 00:06:55.682 I didn't know any better, I was brand new, trying to figure it all out, right, um, but when all these state guys started coming in and they were running stuff on the yards and you kick them to a county jail so? 00:06:55.882 --> 00:06:57.026 so help me understand this. 00:06:57.026 --> 00:06:59.511 There's like, let's say, 100 of inmates, right? 00:06:59.511 --> 00:07:00.821 Who were these guys? 00:07:00.821 --> 00:07:11.088 Former state prisoners, were they brand new, about to hit the state, or were they just going to maintain local county time? 00:07:11.088 --> 00:07:12.372 What were they made up of? 00:07:12.641 --> 00:07:12.841 You know? 00:07:12.841 --> 00:07:26.629 Honestly I'm not too sure, but from what I remember, most of the state inmates we had it was because they were hitting that five-year term where they only had to do two to five years and they didn't consider them violent inmates, depending on their charges. 00:07:26.629 --> 00:07:27.250 Were they violent? 00:07:27.250 --> 00:07:36.605 Oh, fuck, yeah, they were very violent and actually it was more of an intimidating factor, because some of these guys we were getting were running yards and then you kick them to a county jail. 00:07:36.605 --> 00:07:43.552 So 30 Southerners see an active dude that's running a state prison they got to serve to him now Correct. 00:07:43.552 --> 00:07:51.367 So they're either going to get tuned up because they were lying or politicking when they shouldn't have been, or they're pretty much. 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:53.286 So you guys were experiencing that. 00:07:53.286 --> 00:08:01.908 Oh yeah, it was fucking crazy Actual, influential inmates coming down from the state and fucking checking these yeah it was bad. 00:08:02.379 --> 00:08:03.702 So there was just it was a lot of tension. 00:08:03.702 --> 00:08:06.427 The officers didn't really talk to anybody. 00:08:06.427 --> 00:08:08.733 Luckily, I had a buddy that worked there. 00:08:08.733 --> 00:08:20.889 My buddy, Paco, worked there and I knew him from when I went to college in an SJVC and I ran into him at the I forget, I think it's the max facility, they call it, and you gotta be OG to work there. 00:08:20.889 --> 00:08:23.283 And they fucking held me there my first day. 00:08:23.283 --> 00:08:26.208 So I go work there and they fucking held me there my first day. 00:08:26.228 --> 00:08:30.233 So I go over there and, uh, real cutthroat, you know, and me I'm happy, go lucky, fucking want to learn. 00:08:30.233 --> 00:08:35.240 And I'm like, where am I working? 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.004 And they're like, oh, you're working this area, I don't even remember the names. 00:08:38.004 --> 00:08:40.207 And so the officer that I'm working with is walking by and I'm like, hey man, how's it? 00:08:40.207 --> 00:08:40.509 How's it going? 00:08:40.509 --> 00:08:41.370 I'm, I'm, I'm Alex. 00:08:41.370 --> 00:08:44.033 He looked at my hand, he looked at me and just kept walking, Damn dude. 00:08:44.033 --> 00:08:51.207 And I was like all right, and luckily I saw my buddy and I was like, you know, it was like seeing your parents. 00:08:51.207 --> 00:08:52.551 You're like oh, yeah, yeah. 00:08:52.551 --> 00:09:05.722 And he kind of took me under his wing right there and he said hey, bro, I'm going to have this dude work with me today and you can work with so-and-. 00:09:05.743 --> 00:09:07.991 That was kind of my first experience with the jails but yeah, I worked there for about a year. 00:09:07.991 --> 00:09:08.394 It was very violent. 00:09:08.394 --> 00:09:09.799 I learned a lot. 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:11.407 I had a bad battery there. 00:09:11.407 --> 00:09:16.621 I was assaulted pretty bad by more than one inmate no, by a two-fiver, Some dude. 00:09:16.621 --> 00:09:18.128 That was like crisis bed crazy. 00:09:18.128 --> 00:09:20.647 He battered 40, 50 deputies there. 00:09:20.647 --> 00:09:22.110 Everybody knew who he was. 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:43.745 I'm young, trying to prove myself and kind of catch my flow and I'm like when it comes to those type of inmates in your experience, does verbal de-escalation work all the time, or what kind of language those type of individuals understand? 00:09:44.427 --> 00:09:52.147 You know, to a certain extent you know you can only talk so much to a mental health psych inmate, but most of the time there's really no talking. 00:09:52.147 --> 00:09:54.385 You know whatever's going to happen is going to happen. 00:09:54.385 --> 00:09:55.109 Well, I get it. 00:09:55.109 --> 00:09:56.225 I just wanted you to hear him say it. 00:09:56.225 --> 00:09:57.541 Yeah, that's just. 00:09:57.541 --> 00:09:58.946 You know, I've seen it all. 00:09:58.946 --> 00:09:59.609 You've seen it all. 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:08.423 You've seen psychologists, mental health yeah, Everybody come in and do their part and then at the end of the day, we're dealing with it. 00:10:08.349 --> 00:10:09.067 At the end of the day, it's going to

end the way he wants it to end, yeah. 00:10:09.067 --> 00:10:12.976 Yeah, he's going to pretty much get what he wants with the way prisons ran down days, but yeah. 00:10:13.921 --> 00:10:14.822 So CDCR? 00:10:14.822 --> 00:10:17.551 Was that your ultimate goal, or did you stumble across it? 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:34.691 You know, in California, when you work for the jails and and you work for like private jails and stuff or maybe it's just me, but I looked at state cdcr, like you know the big dogs, like that's where you want to be you know they make the most money, the best benefits and from what we hear, it's like shit's rocking and rolling, you know. 00:10:34.691 --> 00:10:38.086 So we look at you guys like fucking spartans and shit, you know. 00:10:38.086 --> 00:10:39.129 And what year was this? 00:10:39.652 --> 00:10:40.474 2012. 00:10:40.474 --> 00:10:43.102 Okay, because, yeah, we had this conversation yesterday. 00:10:43.102 --> 00:10:43.783 We were like dude. 00:10:43.783 --> 00:10:48.393 At one point in time, cdcr used to be the fucking epitome. 00:10:48.393 --> 00:10:54.272 Oh yeah, like countrywide, the other states would look at us like, hey, that's the standard to be a fucking guard, right. 00:10:54.292 --> 00:11:04.751 Oh yeah, Like when you guys would come in the transportation CDC guys would come in to Kern County, you know, and they're all wearing black, you know, all structured and at the time they had a lot of hash marks. 00:11:07.259 --> 00:11:08.303 Now you've got one French fry type of transcoffs. 00:11:08.303 --> 00:11:09.467 Yeah, those dudes were all the way up. 00:11:09.467 --> 00:11:11.466 And you know, the cool thing is all the gold. 00:11:11.466 --> 00:11:13.104 It looks intimidating. 00:11:13.104 --> 00:11:13.706 You know what I mean? 00:11:13.706 --> 00:11:16.885 The gold, all the gold, the gold, brass, the gold. 00:11:16.885 --> 00:11:18.650 You know belt keepers? 00:11:18.650 --> 00:11:20.282 Yeah, the whistle, you know. 00:11:20.282 --> 00:11:23.147 And we see like damn these guys, they look legit. 00:11:23.147 --> 00:11:33.441 You know, that's what I want to be like one day, you know, and I'm sitting there during the headlights working the jail like man. 00:11:33.288 --> 00:11:42.940 you know that's where the big money's at as far as a correctional and benefits and state yeah so that was kind of my goal, you know, to work for the state you know how long was your process for CCR, from application to academy. 00:11:42.940 --> 00:11:43.821 What was your process? 00:11:44.041 --> 00:11:45.221 for CDCR from application to academy. 00:11:45.221 --> 00:11:50.707 So when I originally applied, I actually took the test, the written test, and passed it. 00:11:50.707 --> 00:11:54.311 Two months later I get a call from a sergeant in Fresno. 00:11:54.311 --> 00:11:57.453 He's like hey, bro, when you took this test you were only 20. 00:11:57.453 --> 00:11:58.375 You weren't 21. 00:11:58.375 --> 00:11:59.756 I was like, yeah. 00:11:59.756 --> 00:12:03.407 He's like so it's kind of violated our standards. 00:12:03.407 --> 00:12:04.910 You have to be 21 to take that test. 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.048 I thought you had to be 21 at the time of the academy. 00:12:07.048 --> 00:12:08.806 I think they might have changed it, yeah. 00:12:08.806 --> 00:12:21.349 But at that time he was like I can't push you through, but what we're going to do because this is a little bit of an issue is we're going to go ahead and just cancel your stuff and we're going to let you reapply in two months or three months when it comes out again. 00:12:21.349 --> 00:12:23.311 So I didn't know any better. 00:12:23.311 --> 00:12:24.511 So I'm like, all right, whatever. 00:12:24.511 --> 00:12:30.866 So when I was 21, I applied, passed the test again and then they went on freeze. 00:12:30.866 --> 00:12:35.066 So I just kind of laid low for about a year, I think, working in the jails. 00:12:35.066 --> 00:12:38.029 And then I had that bad incident. 00:12:38.029 --> 00:12:44.490 I was on leave for like three weeks and then I get a call offering me a prison to go to Academy. 00:12:45.500 --> 00:12:49.010 Did they offer you a prison or numerous prisons, three prisons, which? 00:12:49.150 --> 00:12:49.291 ones. 00:12:49.291 --> 00:12:56.368 They said, hey, you're in Central Valley, we have a VSP and me I thought that was Pleasant Valley. 00:12:56.368 --> 00:12:59.830 So I'm like, oh fuck, yeah, bro, let's do it Kalinga. 00:12:59.830 --> 00:13:03.605 And they're like, yeah, whatever, you start in three weeks. 00:13:03.605 --> 00:13:08.677 That's the kicker is, this is going to be the first academy that's going to be ran. 00:13:08.677 --> 00:13:13.647 Since the freeze We've only had, like I think, one academy just went through, so they're just starting up again. 00:13:13.647 --> 00:13:17.690 And yeah, I just fucking took it you know. 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:25.591 So you ended up going to the academy in Galt, yeah, and then you graduate and you ended up touching down at Valley State Prison. 00:13:26.883 --> 00:13:38.926 Yeah, and the whole time in the academy they're talking about Valley State Prison and the women's prison and I'm like I'm going to a man's prison and they're like nah, bro, you're going to VSPW, it's changing to VSP. 00:13:38.926 --> 00:13:43.029 So I was confused where the hell I was going for the first two months. 00:13:43.179 --> 00:13:45.489 The sergeants at the academy were talking about Valley State. 00:13:46.059 --> 00:13:50.591 Well, you know how everybody has their little placard that says what prison they're from or going to yeah. 00:13:50.591 --> 00:13:56.426 So the whole time I was telling everybody I was going to Kalinga, to Pleasant Valley oh, that's what you were telling everybody, yeah. 00:13:56.426 --> 00:13:59.208 And they're like, hey, bro, there's nobody here going to Pleasant Valley. 00:13:59.208 --> 00:14:06.461 I said, me dog, me dog. 00:14:06.461 --> 00:14:07.586 And

they're like nah, man, your shit says vsp. 00:14:07.586 --> 00:14:08.350 And I said, yeah, bro, pleasant valley. 00:14:08.350 --> 00:14:10.379 They're like, no, you got the, you got the acronym backwards, it's fucking valley state prison. 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:11.822 And I was like oh, yeah, what's the other one? 00:14:11.822 --> 00:14:14.792 Pvsp, yeah, pvsp. 00:14:14.812 --> 00:14:19.024 Homie, you're dyslexic, yeah bro so luckily they didn't figure that out in the process. 00:14:19.024 --> 00:14:21.370 But, dude, I was like fuck it. 00:14:21.370 --> 00:14:24.203 And so I'm like, well, shit, let me, how far is that from my damn house? 00:14:24.203 --> 00:14:24.365 Dude? 00:14:24.365 --> 00:14:34.947 Because I, because I'm like Kalinga's, like 45 minutes, and I was already stressing about that, yeah, and you know so fucking so how far was that from your pad, like was it actually closer, or? 00:14:34.986 --> 00:14:35.248 farther. 00:14:35.248 --> 00:14:37.245 Oh, it is an hour and 12 minutes, 15 minutes. 00:14:37.245 --> 00:14:47.309 Yeah, what went through your head then? 00:14:47.309 --> 00:14:47.673 When you're like, oh, what the fuck? 00:14:47.673 --> 00:14:50.070 Yeah, I was just like, hey, dude, like, is there like people that like do transportation? 00:14:50.070 --> 00:14:54.048 I was just trying to figure everything out, because they talked about van pulls, car pulls right, and they're like, yeah, they do that from fresno, bro, but not from visalia. 00:14:54.048 --> 00:14:54.581 You're fucking. 00:14:54.581 --> 00:15:06.640 I mean, you may want to relocate, type of shit, but you know that's how it is you know, yeah, you either get a crash pad, a sancho, I mean yeah you you gotta roll with it and I'm thinking where the fuck is? 00:15:06.801 --> 00:15:08.605 you know, madera chowchilla? 00:15:08.605 --> 00:15:10.850 You know it's a small, a small town. 00:15:10.850 --> 00:15:11.672 There ain't shit out there. 00:15:11.672 --> 00:15:14.889 So, uh, yeah, I bought a little kia and we made it. 00:15:14.948 --> 00:15:23.542 Made it work so you fucking have all this experience from working in the county fighting fucking eop2 fibers. 00:15:23.542 --> 00:15:25.386 You're a big dude, bro. 00:15:25.386 --> 00:15:26.208 You're ready. 00:15:26.208 --> 00:15:27.451 You're ready, right? 00:15:27.451 --> 00:15:29.628 So what do you see when you get there? 00:15:29.628 --> 00:15:30.782 What's your? 00:15:30.822 --> 00:15:31.586 experiences like. 00:15:31.586 --> 00:15:37.753 So, you know, when I had that incident in the county, it opened up my eyes to what I was doing. 00:15:37.753 --> 00:15:43.008 You know, it kind of shook me, it scared me and it made me question myself like, hey, is this really what I want to fucking do? 00:15:43.008 --> 00:15:49.529 You know, and that's ultimately why I made that transition, cause I'm like man, if I'm going to get my ass beat, I want to get paid a little bit more money. 00:15:49.529 --> 00:15:50.774 That makes sense,

you know. 00:15:50.774 --> 00:15:53.721 So, yeah, so that was my transition. 00:15:53.721 --> 00:16:02.250 Uh, but when I went to Valley state prison, you know I I was comfortable talking to inmates, cause in the in the jails, like, there's a lot of movement. 00:16:02.250 --> 00:16:10.350 So every morning I'd be cuffing up at least 40 to 50 inmates Every morning In the jail, yeah, full shackles, leg restraints, cuffs everything. 00:16:10.350 --> 00:16:13.129 So I was comfortable talking and cuffing people up. 00:16:13.460 --> 00:16:16.910 Well, what kind of talking are you doing as you're cuffing up, fucking 50 people? 00:16:16.910 --> 00:16:20.585 They're all going to court, so just giving them instructions. 00:16:20.585 --> 00:16:22.551 Or are you actually conversing with these dudes? 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:26.124 A little bit of both. 00:16:26.124 --> 00:16:27.549 I mean, at first it's, you know, uh, just the bread and butter. 00:16:27.549 --> 00:16:32.609 Turn around, cuff up, pick your leg up, right you know, open your mouth, check them real quick and then, as we're because we got I gotta take them all to r&r. 00:16:32.609 --> 00:16:35.005 We talk, okay, hey bro, what are you doing? 00:16:35.005 --> 00:16:36.288 Oh, man, they got me for this. 00:16:36.370 --> 00:16:49.975 I'm like, oh, that sucks, and um, not to backtrack, but I actually ran into a former correctional officer that was in jail and I took him back and forth to R and R, at least for a month, and he kind of gained me and schooled me. 00:16:49.975 --> 00:16:53.546 Oh, no shit, yeah, he was a, he was a, he was a bad-ass CEO. 00:16:53.546 --> 00:16:56.471 And dude he was, he looked like a straight gangster. 00:16:56.471 --> 00:16:57.259 You know what I mean. 00:16:57.259 --> 00:16:58.201 And I didn't. 00:16:58.201 --> 00:17:01.586 I thought he was a gangster and they started slowly telling me that, hey, that dude's a fucking. 00:17:01.586 --> 00:17:02.927 Um, he's a CEO. 00:17:02.927 --> 00:17:07.454 You know he got caught up with some shit, but what the good thing about it was is he was like hey, alex, check this. 00:17:07.454 --> 00:17:25.739 Hey, alex, those Southerners over there dope, uh, you know. 00:17:25.739 --> 00:17:27.262 So you were fucking learning dude. 00:17:27.523 --> 00:17:29.230 Yeah, I was getting gained by an inmate. 00:17:29.230 --> 00:17:32.983 Yeah, and uh, you know, people all don't talk to inmates, this and that. 00:17:32.983 --> 00:17:33.665 That's how you learn. 00:17:33.665 --> 00:17:34.268 You know what I mean. 00:17:34.268 --> 00:17:37.166 Whether you want to or not, there's a variety of ways to learn. 00:17:37.166 --> 00:17:43.906 Yeah and uh, but I I never really talked to him, I just listened and um, he's like hey, when you pat down guys, make sure you do this and that. 00:17:43.967 --> 00:17:44.367 Were there any? 00:17:44.367 --> 00:17:47.053 Did he ever attempt to gain something from you? 00:17:47.374 --> 00:17:51.808 No, and that's where you know everyone always said this is it's always going to be a catch. 00:17:51.808 --> 00:17:52.730 You know what I mean. 00:17:52.730 --> 00:17:55.585 He's going to try to hook you Right, but he never did that. 00:17:55.585 --> 00:17:56.721 You know he was always straight with me. 00:17:56.721 --> 00:18:06.826 To add to that as well, because yeah we're always taught inmates will game you. 00:18:06.846 --> 00:18:07.307 They'll game you. 00:18:07.307 --> 00:18:08.806 Don't ever trust a fucking inmate. 00:18:08.806 --> 00:18:12.220 And while that is kind of true, don't ever trust an inmate, right? 00:18:12.220 --> 00:18:13.526 You don't want to get led to the slaughter. 00:18:13.526 --> 00:18:18.803 There are times where those dudes have actually kept their word and not came at you with some bullshit. 00:18:18.923 --> 00:18:23.528 No, and you know I look at it like this Hector, if you're a newer officer, you've got to understand how to play the game. 00:18:23.528 --> 00:18:27.093 You're going to get manipulated and you have to learn how to play. 00:18:27.093 --> 00:18:31.240 Once you have that experience and you know how to talk to an inmate, you know how to build a rapport. 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:36.532 I've got no problem talking to inmates because they know where that line, where we draw that line. 00:18:36.532 --> 00:18:41.029 But if you're brand new and you don't understand the game, oh, you're going to get tossed around like a dirty magazine. 00:18:41.029 --> 00:18:41.990 Bro. 00:18:41.990 --> 00:18:43.451 They're gonna work you day in and day out. 00:18:43.451 --> 00:18:44.731 I see it, oh, we seen it. 00:18:44.731 --> 00:18:45.792 Um, and that's the. 00:18:45.792 --> 00:18:54.182 That's the problem with the younger generation is they see a senior cop talking to an inmate and they're like okay, but they don't understand what that dude did to build that rapport. 00:18:54.182 --> 00:18:58.601 You know, and I think that's a problem with some of the younger cops no, you that's a fucking x. 00:18:58.641 --> 00:18:59.382 I'm glad you said that, bro. 00:18:59.442 --> 00:19:08.323 That's an excellent point yeah, and so I feel comfortable, you know, just not not talking, but like letting inmates know what was going on. 00:19:08.323 --> 00:19:18.133 And I felt like the more you relate to inmates uh, the program for the day or talk to them, the less tension you have but you're also a dude that has good command presence. 00:19:18.381 --> 00:19:23.319 I mean just me conversing with you like you're you're, you know, I mean your posture, your, your tone. 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:24.801 So that's huge also. 00:19:24.801 --> 00:19:32.089 Yeah, well, you know, when I started though, you know I've always been a little weird and kind of like a nerd, but when I started I wanted to fit in, you know. 00:19:32.089 --> 00:19:35.534 So I remember some dude on Marketplace was selling like an old school jumpsuit. 00:19:35.534 --> 00:19:37.736 So I'm like, oh, I want to look

like that. 00:19:37.736 --> 00:19:39.901 So I bought this jumpsuit, bro. 00:19:39.901 --> 00:19:43.209 It was like three times my size, yeah, and I'm wearing it, thinking I'm the shit. 00:19:43.209 --> 00:19:45.602 And where I got clowned, like my first week. 00:19:45.602 --> 00:19:47.948 They're like whose fucking jumpsuit is that dude? 00:19:47.948 --> 00:19:49.070 I was like it's mine. 00:19:49.070 --> 00:19:50.663 They're like no, it's not dude, like you. 00:19:50.663 --> 00:19:51.865 Just, we all know you just started. 00:19:51.865 --> 00:19:53.750 That jumpsuit's like older than you. 00:19:53.750 --> 00:19:55.363 Oh, it was a used jumpsuit. 00:19:55.363 --> 00:20:03.048 Yeah, because I wanted to fit in, because all the cool guys were wearing, like you know, uh, jumpsuits that were faded I could relate. 00:20:03.088 --> 00:20:07.328 could relate, man, cause I wanted to scuff up my leather to make it look like I had some time in. 00:20:07.328 --> 00:20:07.990 Yeah. 00:20:08.010 --> 00:20:11.242 But um, no, you know most of my little structure that I have. 00:20:11.242 --> 00:20:13.509 I'm not too structured, but, uh, I started trading. 00:20:13.509 --> 00:20:15.119 I got um when I was younger. 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:24.868 I got beat up real bad and jumped by a bunch of kids and I remember um walking from the skate park to my house, which was like five miles away, and they took my skateboard, they took my bike, they jacked you. 00:20:24.868 --> 00:20:29.292 Oh, they beat the shit out of me, yeah, but they also jacked you as well, yeah, God damn bro. 00:20:29.553 --> 00:20:30.173 So I'm walking. 00:20:30.773 --> 00:20:39.785 You know, I was like 12 years old, 13 years old, I had blood everywhere, whatever, and this dude hits me up, and you know. 00:20:39.905 --> 00:20:40.846 I'm like hey, man, you all right? 00:20:40.846 --> 00:20:43.371 I said no, no, not really. 00:20:43.371 --> 00:20:45.815 And he said, hey, you see that building right there. 00:20:45.815 --> 00:20:49.109 And I was like, yeah, and I knew what it was. 00:20:49.109 --> 00:20:51.449 It was a little jujitsu shop at the time in Visalia. 00:20:51.449 --> 00:20:55.630 He said, hey, why don't you come over here tomorrow at 6 pm? 00:20:55.630 --> 00:20:58.520 And I was like, okay, you know. 00:20:58.520 --> 00:21:09.244 So I went over there at 6 pm and I thought it was the jujitsu class that he taught, but it wasn't. 00:21:09.244 --> 00:21:11.711 Um, he teaches a old hawaiian self-defense uh class and at the time I didn't know who he was. 00:21:11.711 --> 00:21:17.356 But he let me train there for free for a whole year, fuck yeah and then, uh, they ended up going out of business. 00:21:17.417 --> 00:21:25.670 So he was doing some hardcore training in his garage and, remind you, I'm the only kid there, all these guys are adults and he trains like a real hard. 00:21:25.670 --> 00:21:31.510 Kajukimpo it's called, kaju Pit is his style of it, and dude's a monster. 00:21:31.510 --> 00:21:33.361 But it taught me discipline. 00:21:33.361 --> 00:21:40.887 It taught me how to fight and be comfortable, how to deal with men, you know, and I looked at the dude almost like a father, you know, at the time. 00:21:40.887 --> 00:21:45.287 So that helped me out a lot in the prison system, just being comfortable with talking to inmates. 00:21:45.248 --> 00:21:54.990 And then at the time, so that helped me out a lot in the in the prison system, just being comfortable with talking to inmates and at the same time, dealing with them if you need to right, because I'm not a big dude, you know, I've always had, I struggled with, you know uh, having the look. 00:21:54.990 --> 00:22:03.904 But, uh, when you're dealing with somebody and they know your strength, they know, uh, what you're capable of, it just kind of sets the tone and you don't really have to like flex or act hard. 00:22:03.904 --> 00:22:05.307 You know uh. 00:22:05.307 --> 00:22:06.709 But yeah, vsp was uh. 00:22:07.009 --> 00:22:10.374 So level two the whole prison was level two. 00:22:10.374 --> 00:22:12.080 The whole prison all four yards. 00:22:12.080 --> 00:22:13.305 There's four yards. 00:22:13.305 --> 00:22:14.769 Yeah, what were the yards structured? 00:22:14.789 --> 00:22:15.432 abcd. 00:22:15.432 --> 00:22:16.054 That's it. 00:22:16.054 --> 00:22:20.952 And then they have a a big main yard where all the yards they open. 00:22:20.952 --> 00:22:27.423 They all open their gates and the officers stand there at this is at the time and they all pat them down and they can all go to the main yard. 00:22:27.423 --> 00:22:28.907 No, hold on which was the? 00:22:28.948 --> 00:22:29.269 stupid. 00:22:29.269 --> 00:22:29.730 Hold on. 00:22:29.730 --> 00:22:39.627 Yeah, you have four fucking yards, one main recreational yard and every inmate from every yard can attend that same recreational yard. 00:22:39.627 --> 00:22:44.849 Yeah, you see the problem with that 100% dude yeah 100 fucking percent. 00:22:44.849 --> 00:22:45.680 Yeah, 100 fucking percent, yeah. 00:22:46.266 --> 00:22:47.096 So that was kind of like. 00:22:47.096 --> 00:22:49.307 You know Now did incidents arise from that? 00:22:49.307 --> 00:22:54.630 I mean, it was real low level, we didn't have a whole lot of incidents, but it was a lot of drug trafficking. 00:22:54.630 --> 00:23:06.674 Because I mean, it was like the inmates would tell me hey, duran, we're going to go to the flea market, and I was like the flea market's on sundays, wait a second, you're locked up. 00:23:06.674 --> 00:23:07.506 They're like no, the main yard, that's where we go. 00:23:07.506 --> 00:23:09.089 You know they call it the flea market because they can get whatever the fuck they want. 00:23:09.089 --> 00:23:09.671 That's nuts, dude. 00:23:09.691 --> 00:23:20.506 You know inmates that are, uh, doing tattoo work or um, painting bro oh, bro, they all go out to the yard and then you know this dude on a yard that wants shit from a dude on d yard

now you ain't gotta say too much, but is he? 00:23:20.645 --> 00:23:25.593 uh, at the time at the location was the CO mentality kind of like. 00:23:25.593 --> 00:23:27.115 Whatever, let them do their thing. 00:23:28.260 --> 00:23:32.409 You know, when I went, the majority of the officers were very tense. 00:23:32.409 --> 00:23:34.353 They were very just Tense. 00:23:34.353 --> 00:23:36.443 Yeah Well, they were tense. 00:23:36.443 --> 00:23:37.146 Tense from what? 00:23:37.146 --> 00:23:38.321 Well, you got to remember? 00:23:38.321 --> 00:23:42.772 You know, 85% of these cops have never dealt or worked with a male inmate. 00:23:42.772 --> 00:23:44.321 They've all dealt with women? 00:23:44.682 --> 00:23:48.909 Oh, because you were telling me that it transferred over from females to males, yeah. 00:23:49.068 --> 00:24:02.835 So when I rolled up D-Yard was the last yard full of women and they were slowly putting them on buses and transferring them out to whatever the women's prisons are. 00:24:02.855 --> 00:24:05.441 So they flushed VSP with all these level two guys Hold up bro VSP. 00:24:05.441 --> 00:24:06.821 With all these level two guys Hold up bro VSP. 00:24:06.821 --> 00:24:10.125 Yeah, at one point in time, it used to be an all-female institution. 00:24:10.125 --> 00:24:12.988 Oh yeah, is that the one they refer to as Chowchilla? 00:24:12.988 --> 00:24:14.009 Yeah, okay. 00:24:14.009 --> 00:24:15.471 So female prison, chowchilla? 00:24:15.471 --> 00:24:15.911 Yeah. 00:24:15.911 --> 00:24:20.816 Now, when you got there, that's when they got rid of the women and brought male inmates. 00:24:20.816 --> 00:24:23.261 Yeah, and what year was that? 00:24:23.261 --> 00:24:25.169 2013, holy shit. 00:24:25.169 --> 00:24:30.307 And all the, all the staff were tense because they had never worked around male inmates. 00:24:30.606 --> 00:24:33.104 Yeah, and I didn't know this at first, because I'm new, you know. 00:24:33.104 --> 00:24:41.701 But as I'm working the buildings, I'm telling these guys hey guys, it's a recall, whatever you know, but and I'm, you know, I, I always kept it real with them and they, they gave me my respect. 00:24:41.701 --> 00:24:44.647 All right, youngster, whatever I'm like, all right, buddy, it's time for you to get off the phone. 00:24:44.647 --> 00:24:46.373 Come on, man, whatever I just talked to them, normal. 00:24:46.460 --> 00:24:52.550 Yeah, because you're not a dummy, bro, it's like you know your lane, but some of those officers, they were just like get off the phone. 00:24:53.884 --> 00:24:55.009 Oh, I hear you now, yeah. 00:24:55.420 --> 00:25:03.885 They didn't have that flow of feeling comfortable and you Southerners walking around with their shirts off, all blasted up, it's intimidating. 00:25:03.885 --> 00:25:09.190 If you know you've never seen that I guess I'm glad you're speaking on that, bro. 00:25:09.371 --> 00:25:18.037 Yeah, because it's the same thing when, the same situation, when you'll have level four,

cops go to a level two yard and they want to act level four. 00:25:18.037 --> 00:25:18.738 It's like, hey, relax bro. 00:25:19.420 --> 00:25:20.826 Yeah, yeah, pump the brakes a little bit, man. 00:25:21.167 --> 00:25:21.991 Different mentality. 00:25:21.991 --> 00:25:29.170 Or if they flip a level four yard into a level two, yeah, they still want to hold those level twos to like a level four program. 00:25:29.190 --> 00:25:31.321 Yeah, so you know, when I started there, there wasn't a whole lot going on. 00:25:31.321 --> 00:25:37.707 And you know better than me, like at most prisons, when there's not a lot of violence, uh, your managers stress your cops out. 00:25:37.707 --> 00:25:38.648 Absolutely. 00:25:38.648 --> 00:25:42.787 They want to put the pressure on you guys with um, uniform inspections. 00:25:42.787 --> 00:25:49.851 Uh, you coming to work on time, they start checking you guys because they're not focused on all the incidents. 00:25:49.851 --> 00:25:51.486 You know they got to stay busy. 00:25:51.486 --> 00:25:53.686 So, yeah, there wasn't a lot going on. 00:25:53.779 --> 00:26:01.009 We did get a lot of guys transferring from Salinas Valley, from Corcoran, from Kern Valley, and those dudes were gangster, you know, because they've seen it all. 00:26:01.009 --> 00:26:07.645 And I remember this one big old black dude he was from Corcoran and you know, he was just like egging everybody on. 00:26:07.645 --> 00:26:11.029 So you're going to let him talk to you, like that man, you should do something. 00:26:11.029 --> 00:26:13.471 And so all the CEOs were like, yeah, I need to do something. 00:26:13.471 --> 00:26:15.574 So we're learning from all these guys. 00:26:15.574 --> 00:26:22.741 And I'm just like I know a little bit. 00:26:22.741 --> 00:26:24.492 But I was always told, hey, just watch and observe, you'll learn more by watching. 00:26:24.492 --> 00:26:25.278 And so that was just me. 00:26:25.278 --> 00:26:30.369 I'm just watching, like, okay, I ain't doing that, um, but yeah, it was. 00:26:30.369 --> 00:26:31.412 Uh, it was different. 00:26:31.412 --> 00:26:32.861 You know, I learned a little bit. 00:26:32.881 --> 00:26:47.307 There's some good supervisors there, there's some not good supervisors there, but you know that's at every prison oh, I'm glad I'm learning like I'm learning a lot from you telling me and not only am I learning, bro, but I'm reminiscing at all the variables in working inside of a prison. 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:49.307 So it's just level two, not a whole lot. 00:26:49.307 --> 00:26:56.310 I mean, we probably had 100, 150 incidents a year, compared to like Corcoran and Salinas Valley, where they have 1,500. 00:26:56.961 --> 00:27:02.787 But it's funny how you bring up the truth about the different personalities of correctional officers. 00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:12.707 Yeah, you know, and I've seen a lot of different personalities, because all of them they knew how to deal with women, and not that they didn't know how to deal with men, they just weren't used to it yet Correct. 00:27:12.707 --> 00:27:16.325 So, me coming in brand new, I was like so you're a fucking sponge. 00:27:16.365 --> 00:27:19.568 There you are, bro Valley State Prison a fucking sponge. 00:27:19.568 --> 00:27:20.859 Where do you go from there? 00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:21.260 next. 00:27:21.260 --> 00:27:25.522 So I worked at Valley State Prison and I met a good cop named Perez. 00:27:25.522 --> 00:27:31.365 He came from Corcoran, so me and him we ran A-yard and I just kind of watched everything he did. 00:27:31.365 --> 00:27:32.566 Real good cop. 00:27:32.566 --> 00:27:40.170 So I learned from him and then, right when I was going to leave VSP, they just sent me to OP1, crt. 00:27:40.170 --> 00:27:58.117 Yeah, so I went to OP1 and you know the two-week operator thing in San Luis Obispo, and the last day of my whole training or whatever it is, I get a call from CTF Soledad and they offer me a sergeant position. 00:27:58.117 --> 00:28:03.847 So I was thinking like fuck, what should I do? 00:28:03.847 --> 00:28:04.271 You know what I mean? 00:28:04.271 --> 00:28:06.121 Like I'm about to become an operator at um VSP. 00:28:06.121 --> 00:28:08.969 I finally worked my way up with those guys. 00:28:08.969 --> 00:28:09.410 You know what I mean. 00:28:09.410 --> 00:28:16.661 I was a PTM for about a year and they finally gave me the opportunity to train with them and be a part of their team and I just passed the Academy, you know. 00:28:16.661 --> 00:28:20.864 So I'm all gun hole and um, I just fucking took it. 00:28:21.505 --> 00:28:22.365 Took what CTF? 00:28:22.365 --> 00:28:28.869 Yeah, fuck, dude, I didn't even know you were a PTM, bro, so let's talk about that, because the inquiry minds want to know. 00:28:28.869 --> 00:28:33.272 Yeah, at what point did you catch wind of the crisis response team? 00:28:33.272 --> 00:28:39.057 Did any of those members approach you and tell you to put an application, and what was your time like as a PTM? 00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:45.911 Yeah, I'm trying to remember some of their names, but most of your guys that are structured and look clean, obviously they're CERT. 00:28:46.152 --> 00:28:46.352 Yeah. 00:28:47.102 --> 00:28:50.050 And obviously there's some that are not, but that's what I saw there at VSP. 00:28:50.050 --> 00:28:54.105 I saw guys that looked the part, squared away, yeah, and I'm like, man, what do you guys do? 00:28:54.105 --> 00:28:57.565 And they're like, oh, we're part of the CRT team and I'm like, what the fuck is that? 00:28:57.565 --> 00:29:07.442 You know what background or anything? 00:29:07.442 --> 00:29:09.169 And uh, they put out a flyer, like they do at most prisons hey, crt tryouts, um, whatever. 00:29:09.189 --> 00:29:15.193 So I'm reading it and so I call I think his name was more real cool dude, he was a sergeant at the time and I'm like, hey, more, I want to do this, you know. 00:29:15.193 --> 00:29:16.440 And he's like, yeah,

bro, just fucking. 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.305 You know, this is what it kind of entails. 00:29:18.305 --> 00:29:19.567 We can't tell you much. 00:29:19.567 --> 00:29:24.146 But you got to run two miles, yeah, be able to shoot bro. 00:29:24.166 --> 00:29:25.490 And everybody was so negative about it. 00:29:25.490 --> 00:29:27.182 They're like you can't do that. 00:29:27.182 --> 00:29:28.045 I was like, why not? 00:29:28.045 --> 00:29:31.752 They're like, bro, really, look at you, come on, you're not that guy. 00:29:31.752 --> 00:29:34.989 And I'm like I just want to try out, you know. 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:41.404 So, honestly, at the time I really just did it just to prove a bunch of assholes wrong, just because I'm like, hey, fuck you Right. 00:29:41.404 --> 00:29:46.608 And yeah, so I went out there and you know I'm like, well, how do I? 00:29:46.608 --> 00:29:47.909 Don't have any military background? 00:29:47.909 --> 00:29:48.430 What do I do? 00:29:48.430 --> 00:29:50.672 How do I condition myself for this, you know? 00:29:50.672 --> 00:29:55.976 So I just started watching a bunch of motivational shit and Eye of the Tiger shit and just started running every day. 00:29:55.976 --> 00:29:58.136 Yeah, and I've always liked to shoot. 00:29:58.136 --> 00:29:58.998 You know what I mean. 00:29:58.998 --> 00:30:07.023 Shooting's always been something I like to do for fun. 00:30:07.023 --> 00:30:07.926 And went out there and the trials were. 00:30:07.926 --> 00:30:08.890 You know how it is horrible. 00:30:08.890 --> 00:30:09.913 If I can work the shit out of you. 00:30:09.913 --> 00:30:11.398 Torture, you made me dance, all this stupid shit and uh, yeah, I passed. 00:30:11.398 --> 00:30:17.096 I was surprised I passed and, um, trained with those dudes, good group of guys, you know. 00:30:17.096 --> 00:30:18.219 Um, what is it? 00:30:18.219 --> 00:30:19.240 The other prison next to them? 00:30:19.381 --> 00:30:45.295 uh, the women's prison, ccwf yeah yeah, so I trained with CCWF, esp, um, met those guys, a bunch of good group of dudes and then, um, uh, I hurt myself so I didn't get get to go to the first operator academy, um, but healed up my leg, kept training, kept training, and then they finally sent me to OP1, graduated OP1 and promoted at the same time yeah yeah. 00:30:45.295 --> 00:30:53.580 So it was kind of like I felt like I was doing good, you know, and I was excited for what was going to happen, and then so that was that was the challenge. 00:30:53.682 --> 00:30:57.832 I got promoted to lieutenant at the op2 academy. 00:30:57.832 --> 00:31:01.682 Oh shit, yeah, so I can relate there. 00:31:01.682 --> 00:31:05.356 So then you come back and you touch down at CTF. 00:31:06.038 --> 00:31:07.363 Yeah, so it was crazy. 00:31:07.363 --> 00:31:15.845 So, uh, yeah, I think two weeks later, uh, I was, I went to see, pretty much said bye to everybody, Right, and they're like what the fuck Didn't you just pass the Academy? 00:31:15.845 --> 00:31:27.522 And I'm like, yeah, bro, fuck you Bye and cool, took off to Soledad. 00:31:27.542 --> 00:31:29.131 Um, and you know I'm a little nervous because VSP is all S and Y at the time. 00:31:29.131 --> 00:31:31.561 But you know that's one of the perks about the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. 00:31:31.561 --> 00:31:34.711 I'm always like bashing it or exposing it, but that's one of the perks, bro. 00:31:34.711 --> 00:31:35.721 The freedom of movement. 00:31:35.721 --> 00:31:37.362 If you want to work here, you can work here. 00:31:37.362 --> 00:31:39.183 If you want to be CRT, you could be CRT. 00:31:39.183 --> 00:31:41.865 Yeah, Go wherever the fuck you want in the state of California. 00:31:42.066 --> 00:31:42.705 You're right and you know. 00:31:42.705 --> 00:31:43.807 That's one thing I want to say too. 00:31:43.807 --> 00:31:52.773 Like, if you decide to be a correctional officer, there are so many opportunities and so many things you can do within the department and just because you don't know anything about it, don't limit yourself. 00:31:52.773 --> 00:31:56.037 Like you can, fucking, you could do anything you want to do in the department. 00:31:56.037 --> 00:32:01.162 Trust me, you just got to set a goal. 00:32:01.162 --> 00:32:01.803 You can't do it? 00:32:01.803 --> 00:32:02.864 Just fucking prove them wrong. 00:32:02.864 --> 00:32:03.025 It's. 00:32:03.025 --> 00:32:05.548 It's not that hard, trust me, uh. 00:32:05.567 --> 00:32:09.692 But yeah, I went to solid dad and um as a sergeant as a sergeant, you know and they didn't like me. 00:32:09.692 --> 00:32:10.333 You know what I mean. 00:32:10.333 --> 00:32:11.074 Who didn't like you? 00:32:11.074 --> 00:32:13.421 Uh, I'm not gonna say they didn't like me, but it was just. 00:32:13.421 --> 00:32:19.922 You know, I look like I'm fucking 15 years old, I'm part of the cert team, an outsider, because they probably wanted their home, yeah, promote. 00:32:19.922 --> 00:32:21.463 So they're like who the fuck is this fool? 00:32:21.463 --> 00:32:22.144 You know what I mean. 00:32:22.144 --> 00:32:29.435 Yeah, and to remind you, I'm a new operator, but you know, salinas Valley, ctf they don't just take anybody. 00:32:29.435 --> 00:32:35.824 No, that's probably the hardest, strictest team, okay, so those dudes train hard and I'm going to give them the respect because they have that. 00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:47.045 Real quick shout out to the fucking Salinas Valley CTF CERT team because hands down throughout the state the number one team hands down and I only got to train with those guys for like, uh, eight months. 00:32:47.065 --> 00:32:49.099 I'm not going to act like I was one of them or part of them. 00:32:49.099 --> 00:32:51.547 I got the privilege to train with them and that was about it. 00:32:51.547 --> 00:33:00.401 Uh, fletcher was running it at the time and he was the commander of the team, and then, via lobos, was the um right underneath the attack leader.

00:33:00.401 --> 00:33:04.567 Yeah, and they said, hey, uh, come up to selena's valley, we're going to talk to you. 00:33:04.567 --> 00:33:06.829 And uh, I'm at work at the time. 00:33:06.890 --> 00:33:20.192 So I head up the hill and I meet at the range and, uh, I go to the, to the little um where they do all the trainings and stuff for that room, whatever it's called and they're all sitting down in chairs, like all of the um. 00:33:20.192 --> 00:33:21.497 What do you call them? 00:33:21.497 --> 00:33:22.200 The team leaders? 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.778 Yeah, and um, this is intimidating. 00:33:25.778 --> 00:33:26.200 You know what I mean. 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:27.544 They're all just sitting there all fucking. 00:33:27.544 --> 00:33:28.586 You know what I mean. 00:33:28.586 --> 00:33:31.201 I'm like I think I'm in the wrong room, you know. 00:33:31.201 --> 00:33:33.007 And they're like nah, sit the fuck down. 00:33:33.007 --> 00:33:36.662 You know what I mean, and you know they want to interview me. 00:33:36.662 --> 00:33:38.163 What are you about? 00:33:38.163 --> 00:33:38.923 What have you done? 00:33:38.923 --> 00:33:40.185 Why should we put you on our team? 00:33:40.185 --> 00:33:41.626 You know, they're straight up dudes. 00:33:41.847 --> 00:33:42.347 Absolutely oh. 00:33:42.387 --> 00:33:43.569 I'm, yeah, I'm tracking bro. 00:33:43.569 --> 00:34:01.105 So I'm like, uh, you know, trying to like not piss my pants, and I'm just like, dude, I'm just, you know, I just went to OP1, you know, um, I want to be an operator Like this is what I want to do. 00:34:01.105 --> 00:34:03.287 I want to learn, I want to grow and, uh, you know, I don't know about this cat. 00:34:03.287 --> 00:34:08.952 You know he looks a little jaycattish and Fletcher was like hey, check it out, be here tomorrow at 3 am. 00:34:08.952 --> 00:34:11.632 We're going to put you through a little sums up. 00:34:11.632 --> 00:34:16.396 And I was like, oh, my God, so what am I going to say? 00:34:16.396 --> 00:34:28.949 Right, right, and I'm thinking like I'm going to get a free pass, not at three in the morning, you're not, no, no, so, yeah, they, uh, I'll never forget that. 00:34:28.949 --> 00:34:30.054 You know, they put me through it for, like a mini trial. 00:34:30.054 --> 00:34:33.344 Yeah, yeah, and um, three in the morning, get there and I'll keep it short. 00:34:33.344 --> 00:34:36.512 But, man, they, they say we're just start off, you're gonna run your two miles. 00:34:36.512 --> 00:34:39.989 I was like, all right, yeah, so, you know, I, you know they're like, what are you doing? 00:34:39.989 --> 00:34:48.356 I was like, oh, you know, I'm gonna put my running shoes on, like, no, alpha up, no, alpha up, you're going to run your two miles in all your gear and I was like I've never done that before. 00:34:48.356 --> 00:34:48.900 You know what I mean? 00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:50.166 That's 30 fucking pounds of weight. 00:34:50.619 --> 00:34:55.211 So I ran my two miles full alpha gear and then went to go shoot. 00:34:55.211 --> 00:35:02.505 And I'm looking at the you know they shoot a Glock 34. 00:35:02.505 --> 00:35:05.047 I'm looking at this Glock and they're like shut the fuck up and shoot it. 00:35:05.047 --> 00:35:08.311 And I was like I've never shot a gun with all black irons. 00:35:08.311 --> 00:35:13.436 You know and I don't know if that was something they did just to get me to throw me off you know what did they do? 00:35:13.436 --> 00:35:15.016 What was wrong with the sights? 00:35:15.016 --> 00:35:23.951 I think at the time we had the only girl in the. 00:35:23.951 --> 00:35:24.873 I never heard of that shit. 00:35:24.873 --> 00:35:27.867 Yeah, I've never shot like that, but some people shoot that. 00:35:27.867 --> 00:35:28.467 You know where it's. 00:35:28.467 --> 00:35:33.668 Just, you have all black sights and you know I don't know how that works, I don't shoot it, but I did that day, yeah. 00:35:33.668 --> 00:35:40.621 So I ran through the course, did that, and then you know they fucked. 00:35:40.621 --> 00:35:42.922 Cool, you're all right, you know what I mean. 00:35:42.922 --> 00:35:44.364 We'll let you hang with us for a little bit. 00:35:44.364 --> 00:35:46.405 Yeah, and some of the other guys were pissed off. 00:35:46.405 --> 00:35:48.485 You know what I mean On the team. 00:35:48.686 --> 00:35:48.965 Yeah, yeah. 00:35:49.206 --> 00:35:51.166 Yeah, they're like, we don't want this fucking kid here. 00:35:52.226 --> 00:35:52.748 I don't blame them. 00:35:52.748 --> 00:35:54.307 That's a consensus. 00:35:54.307 --> 00:35:56.389 Dude, I've got bro even on YouTube. 00:35:56.389 --> 00:35:59.670 You garnish hate. 00:35:59.670 --> 00:36:01.110 You're a sergeant. 00:36:01.110 --> 00:36:04.592 Are you working at the prison while you're trying out and doing back? 00:36:04.632 --> 00:36:09.434 Yeah, so at the time and I don't know if it's this way anymore Salinas Valley has the biggest fucking budget for CERT. 00:36:09.434 --> 00:36:10.934 Those dudes train hard. 00:36:10.934 --> 00:36:16.016 They train more than anybody in the fucking state, so we were training four or five times a month. 00:36:16.016 --> 00:36:17.297 What the fuck? 00:36:17.297 --> 00:36:21.342 Yeah, bro, it was cool, and you know, they have their own Hummer. 00:36:21.342 --> 00:36:22.344 They got a bunch of cool shit. 00:36:22.364 --> 00:36:23.467 Yeah, badass fucking van. 00:36:23.688 --> 00:36:24.650 Have you seen their Hummer? 00:36:24.650 --> 00:36:27.487 They have no, it looks like something from fucking World War II and shit. 00:36:27.487 --> 00:36:28.369 It's crazy. 00:36:28.369 --> 00:36:31.664 So like this is. 00:36:31.664 --> 00:36:38.364 One thing that was cool is we'd be working and then Fletcher would get on Central Control Radio and he's all for CRT purposes. 00:36:38.364 --> 00:36:41.800 Only we have an escaped inmate the outside of Salinas Valley. 00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:46.302 Any CRT operator report to the armory and

he did that shit for fun. 00:36:46.302 --> 00:36:47.822 So those dudes were squared away. 00:36:48.563 --> 00:36:49.063 You know? 00:36:49.063 --> 00:36:50.724 No, definitely fucking squared away, bro. 00:36:50.724 --> 00:36:55.773 Yeah, so what was it like working at CTF at that prison? 00:36:56.976 --> 00:36:57.436 So it was cool. 00:36:57.436 --> 00:37:00.114 There was only like two dudes on the whole CERT team from CTF. 00:37:00.114 --> 00:37:07.295 The other 32 guys were from Salinas Valley, so it was an honor to be considered one of them for the short time I was there. 00:37:07.295 --> 00:37:09.431 It was different. 00:37:09.431 --> 00:37:11.711 You know, honestly, ctf is a really good prison to work at. 00:37:11.711 --> 00:37:12.996 I enjoyed working there. 00:37:12.996 --> 00:37:14.652 Everybody was really helpful. 00:37:18.005 --> 00:37:20.235 Remind you, I started in the jails where people wouldn't even shake my hand. 00:37:20.235 --> 00:37:21.318 You know what I mean. 00:37:21.318 --> 00:37:21.820 They're like fuck you. 00:37:21.820 --> 00:37:22.384 And then I go to CTF. 00:37:22.384 --> 00:37:23.367 I had my first incident. 00:37:23.367 --> 00:37:27.317 I had three sergeants come up to me hey D Durant, you need help with anything. 00:37:27.317 --> 00:37:29.007 That's how it is, that's how it should be. 00:37:29.007 --> 00:37:30.568 Hey, d, let me do this part. 00:37:30.568 --> 00:37:31.971 Hey, I'll do the lockup order. 00:37:31.971 --> 00:37:38.840 And I'm thinking like, okay, and it was just really camaraderie was still there, that's how it should be which they don't have anymore. 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:43.012 But it was something that made me feel good as a supervisor. 00:37:43.012 --> 00:37:43.755 I knew I had help. 00:37:43.755 --> 00:37:46.349 I didn't know it all, so being able to get that help. 00:37:46.349 --> 00:37:48.048 And then my brother worked there too. 00:37:48.048 --> 00:37:48.911 He was a sergeant there. 00:37:48.911 --> 00:37:49.753 Oh, I didn't know that. 00:37:49.753 --> 00:37:55.034 Yeah, so we had different last names, so so he was always helping me out too. 00:37:55.034 --> 00:37:57.418 You know what I mean, because I'm new, trying to figure it out. 00:37:57.418 --> 00:38:02.773 I only worked as an officer for three, three and a half years, so he would help me out. 00:38:02.824 --> 00:38:03.226 He'd call me. 00:38:03.226 --> 00:38:08.996 You know, Was the layout of CTF different than the layout of Valley State Prison? 00:38:09.657 --> 00:38:13.753 Yeah, so Valley State Prison, you have four yards and then you have one big yard. 00:38:13.753 --> 00:38:15.778 That's it, real simple, okay. 00:38:15.778 --> 00:38:19.385 And then CTFf, solid dad. 00:38:19.385 --> 00:38:30.309 Um, you have your central facility, which is just one big building and there's wings in there and, um, all the wing, each wing, you know, you have I think it's two or three tiers, I can't even remember old school, right, yeah? 00:38:30.309 -->

00:38:38.577 And um, you have they had an ad seg there and then then you go all the way to the other side of the prison and you have a, a north facility which was like S&Y, two yards over there. 00:38:38.577 --> 00:38:43.335 So you had your GP, big old GP area and then a big old S&Y area over there. 00:38:43.335 --> 00:38:49.614 And, yeah, it was cool, it was different, and that was my first time working with big GP inmates, you know. 00:38:49.885 --> 00:38:53.010 Now, what about your role as sergeant, bro? 00:38:53.010 --> 00:38:54.552 Because now you got people coming up to you. 00:38:54.552 --> 00:38:56.795 Hey, what's good morning Sarge without weird hearing? 00:38:56.795 --> 00:38:59.860 Sarge in and being in control or in charge, I should say. 00:39:06.684 --> 00:39:09.389 Yeah, I was privileged, I was honored to be a supervisor. 00:39:09.389 --> 00:39:10.751 I was like, man, this is cool, I got chevrons. 00:39:10.751 --> 00:39:12.175 I was excited, I felt honored to wear stripes. 00:39:12.175 --> 00:39:15.527 At the same time, there's a lot of old school dudes that work there. 00:39:15.527 --> 00:39:16.610 So I knew my place. 00:39:16.610 --> 00:39:20.849 I knew like, hey, just because you got stripes, you ain't better than nobody you got to put in your work. 00:39:20.849 --> 00:39:28.224 And my brother told me right away he's like hey, alex, these dudes know a lot of shit, so ask them for help Because they have 20 plus years in the department. 00:39:28.224 --> 00:39:40.688 So you know, and I think that me asking people for help, as even though they're like, okay, this cool, this kid's real, like he's not trying to act, like he's somebody, he's not right and I would tell them straight up hey bro, I don't want to do count here, what the you know, can you help me? 00:39:41.110 --> 00:39:46.190 and uh, you know, because when count didn't clear on first watch, the central control called the sergeant. 00:39:46.190 --> 00:39:47.635 But hey bro, go fix your fucking area. 00:39:47.635 --> 00:39:50.347 So I'd go with the snes and we'd uh do counter. 00:39:50.347 --> 00:39:51.688 But I always went with them. 00:39:51.688 --> 00:39:52.769 You know, I wanted them to know. 00:39:52.769 --> 00:39:54.393 Like I ain't gonna ask you to do anything. 00:39:54.393 --> 00:40:00.840 I'm not gonna do facts, uh, but remind you, I'm a kid, you know, I'm 23 years old, or 24 or 5 years old at the time. 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.409 So it was challenging because the majority of people gave me the cold shoulder. 00:40:05.510 --> 00:40:19.701 And you know, you just until they feel you out and get to know you, yeah, and then, uh, it was nice having my brother there because I did make a couple little mistakes and he you know, hey, alex, what happened, and he you know, hey, alex, what happened yesterday. 00:40:20.364 --> 00:40:30.159 And he helped me with the little stuff, since we're on the topic and it's a perfect time, like what advice would you give to a new, young supervisor? 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:33.672 A new young supervisor yeah embarking into that new role. 00:40:35.927 --> 00:40:38.255 Man, there's a lot of supervisors I've promoted the last couple of years. 00:40:38.255 --> 00:40:46.548 Just understand that there's so much stuff that you do as a sergeant, you're not going to know everything, so don't act like you do. 00:40:46.548 --> 00:40:49.394 And as a sergeant, you need to understand. 00:40:49.394 --> 00:41:04.565 You have to know how to network, you have to know how to use your resources, because you're going to have incidents, you're going to have situations that you're not going to be comfortable with or you're not going to know how to do, and that's why it's very important you know how to network and not be afraid to call and ask for help. 00:41:04.565 --> 00:41:08.458 But when it comes to your officers, treat them with respect. 00:41:08.458 --> 00:41:29.708 And you know a good leader told me this like hey, Alex, you can have people try to believe in you, but when you can get an officer to believe in himself, that's when you became a real leader hey guys, consider becoming a patron, where you will get first exclusive dibs on the video before it airs to the public and you'll get to ask the guest special questions that you have in mind. 00:41:30.088 --> 00:41:32.034 So that's also another way to support the channel. 00:41:32.034 --> 00:41:33.847 Thank you, guys, appreciate all of you. 00:41:33.847 --> 00:41:34.867 Keep pushing forward. 00:41:34.867 --> 00:41:36.530 Make sure you hit that link in description below. 00:41:37.753 --> 00:41:45.818 I didn't know what he meant at the time, but I would watch him and he kind of mentored me and he would talk to the officers and show them how to grow. 00:41:45.818 --> 00:41:50.869 And when you instill that in officers, man, the facility's tight, yeah. 00:41:50.929 --> 00:41:52.713 So that's about it. 00:41:52.713 --> 00:41:58.246 It's often been said uh, nobody cares how much you know until they know how much you care about them. 00:41:58.485 --> 00:42:02.233 Yeah and um, yeah, you got to really just slow it down. 00:42:02.233 --> 00:42:05.226 Another thing too as a new sergeant, you're not an officer. 00:42:05.226 --> 00:42:09.755 That's the big one, dude, yeah, so don't act like it. 00:42:09.755 --> 00:42:13.054 And when an alarm goes off and you want to run, slow it down. 00:42:13.375 --> 00:42:17.929 There's a lot of shit you got to do as a first line supervisor right, take a deep breath, understand. 00:42:17.929 --> 00:42:18.150 Like. 00:42:18.150 --> 00:42:20.757 You got to make sure what's being put on the radio. 00:42:20.757 --> 00:42:24.958 You got to make sure all the assistance you need is getting to your facility. 00:42:24.958 --> 00:42:26.083 Do I got to call ISU? 00:42:26.083 --> 00:42:27.427 Do I got to call central control? 00:42:27.427 --> 00:42:28.791 Do I need an ERV? 00:42:28.791 --> 00:42:30.596 Do I need additional staff?

00:42:30.596 --> 00:42:33.829 Do I need to call for a code two and scan, scan the whole fucking yard. 00:42:33.829 --> 00:42:34.791 Let them know you're watching. 00:42:34.791 --> 00:42:36.255 You know you're a supervisor. 00:42:36.295 --> 00:42:39.590 You have to be in control with your eyes, and a lot of people don't do that. 00:42:39.590 --> 00:42:49.255 But I've seen OGs do that where they walk into a building and they'll scan the whole day room and when they look at every inmate it just kind of sets the tone. 00:42:49.255 --> 00:42:51.490 I thought that was normal to do, bro. 00:42:51.490 --> 00:42:53.311 Bro, no kids run into buildings. 00:42:53.311 --> 00:42:54.213 Hey, get down. 00:42:54.213 --> 00:43:03.315 And they're just looking at what tunnel vision? 00:43:03.315 --> 00:43:05.177 Yeah, and I'm like bro, you know, this guy's fighting right here too, and uh, it's crazy. 00:43:05.177 --> 00:43:06.990 But uh, I mean, I could say a lot about it, but just to keep it short, just just humble yourself, understand? 00:43:06.990 --> 00:43:09.809 You're not an officer and, um, you got a lot to learn. 00:43:09.989 --> 00:43:11.751 So be open to listening. 00:43:11.751 --> 00:43:15.757 You are a very sharp and experienced individual. 00:43:15.757 --> 00:43:21.065 Okay, it's not just safety and security they have to worry about right. 00:43:21.065 --> 00:43:25.956 It's also policy procedure directions from their higher-ups. 00:43:25.956 --> 00:43:35.235 How would you advise them if they're directed to do something that feels kind of off or even actually violates policy? 00:43:36.925 --> 00:43:53.284 You know it's difficult to answer that because, man, things have changed so much, right, but if you're being asked to do something from a manager perspective or from headquarters that you don't agree with, dude, you need to know policy, you need to research everything to the T, because nobody's perfect. 00:43:53.284 --> 00:44:04.231 There's a lot of managers, there's a lot of people making mistakes and you could catch them as a first-line supervisor by reviewing policy, by reviewing older grievances, older staff complaints. 00:44:04.231 --> 00:44:06.255 You got to dig a little bit. 00:44:06.255 --> 00:44:06.976 You know what I mean. 00:44:06.976 --> 00:44:09.916 But if you question something, you have a voice. 00:44:09.916 --> 00:44:12.588 Just because you're a first-line supervisor doesn't mean you're nobody. 00:44:12.588 --> 00:44:15.657 Your officers are looking up to you to be that voice. 00:44:15.657 --> 00:44:17.722 So put yourself out there. 00:44:17.722 --> 00:44:20.052 It's going to be uncomfortable, but that's what you chose to do. 00:44:20.052 --> 00:44:28.588 So I mean question it if you don't agree with it, because your officers are going to question it and you need to give an answer to them, whether they like it or not. 00:44:28.588 --> 00:44:30.315 Don't be that guy like well, I don't know. 00:44:30.315 --> 00:44:32.768 You know what I mean, because that would always piss me off. 00:44:32.768 --> 00:44:40.472 So I always just try to learn as much as I can or know as much as I can, and if I didn't agree with it, I would just say hey, lt, is it cool if we talk for a minute? 00:44:40.472 --> 00:44:42.969 Yeah, can we talk to the captain just for five minutes? 00:44:42.969 --> 00:44:45.842 And my approach was always different. 00:44:45.842 --> 00:44:49.967 I'll say hey, cap, I don't want to bother you, but, like, can you explain this to me so I can explain it to the guys? 00:44:49.967 --> 00:44:52.188 Yeah, and that approach helped me a lot. 00:44:52.369 --> 00:44:55.492 And you know some of the stuff that I didn't agree with. 00:44:55.492 --> 00:44:56.693 He didn't understand. 00:44:56.693 --> 00:44:58.353 Who didn't understand? 00:44:58.353 --> 00:44:59.554 The captain was like what are you talking about? 00:44:59.554 --> 00:45:00.496 I'm like well, yeah, they told us. 00:45:00.496 --> 00:45:00.896 We got to. 00:45:00.896 --> 00:45:03.398 You know, make these guys, these COVID guys, come over here. 00:45:03.398 --> 00:45:04.498 Right, what the fuck? 00:45:04.498 --> 00:45:06.201 I'm like yeah, that's what the member says. 00:45:06.201 --> 00:45:07.101 He's like hold on. 00:45:07.101 --> 00:45:13.353 So then he calls you know, you're right, aw, fuck, don't do shit. 00:45:13.353 --> 00:45:15.836 Don't do shit, we're going to have a meeting, we'll get back to you. 00:45:15.836 --> 00:45:20.753 So sometimes you can catch stuff, not all the time, but it doesn't hurt to ask. 00:45:20.972 --> 00:45:21.394 No, you're right. 00:45:21.394 --> 00:45:25.351 Oftentimes the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing within the department. 00:45:25.351 --> 00:45:39.369 Also, you can catch inmates that are housed where it's not supposed to be housed right by running housing unit, count rosters and fucking like, looking at dudes, fucking classifications and be like wait a minute, this motherfucker's not supposed to be here. 00:45:39.608 --> 00:45:42.485 Oh yeah happens all the time, dren, why is this guy in the yard? 00:45:42.485 --> 00:45:45.675 I was like, well, he lives here, bro, he was supposed to be transferred three weeks ago. 00:45:45.675 --> 00:45:49.054 I said, shit, should we go get him? 00:45:49.054 --> 00:45:53.246 Yeah, you know, and you know, people make mistakes, counselors make mistakes, whatever. 00:45:54.188 --> 00:46:01.771 Um, you know, but just deal with it as best you can, so did you enjoy your time as a sergeant I did. 00:46:01.992 --> 00:46:03.577 Yeah, most of my career was a sergeant. 00:46:03.577 --> 00:46:05.884 I was a sergeant for like seven years, oh yeah. 00:46:05.884 --> 00:46:21.661 So and you know, I did a short amount of time at soledad awesome prison to work at good group of Um, and then I had some issues with um, um, my daughter and child custody stuff. 00:46:21.661 --> 00:46:27.557 So I went to court for that and pretty much I didn't have a judge

during this child support case. 00:46:27.557 --> 00:46:32.652 And you know they're like, hey, if you want to see your daughter, you need to move back to the County and show that you want to be around her. 00:46:32.652 --> 00:46:36.208 And I'm like, okay, you know, that's my daughter, you know it's my blood, I'm going to be there for her. 00:46:36.208 --> 00:46:38.353 And I'm like, okay, you know that's my daughter, you know it's my blood, I'm going to be there for her. 00:46:38.373 --> 00:46:39.954 So and I was thinking like, how am I going to do this? 00:46:39.954 --> 00:46:44.393 I just got put on this CRT team that I look up to these guys about. 00:46:44.393 --> 00:46:47.105 I just promoted as a sergeant where people are helping me out. 00:46:47.105 --> 00:46:59.909 I get the, the, the time, the only time I'm ever going to be able to work with my brother, and I got to leave all this and it was like I kind of hit that point in my career where I was actually happy to go to work, I was proud of what I was. 00:46:59.909 --> 00:47:01.490 Oh, that's a good fucking feeling, bro. 00:47:01.490 --> 00:47:10.791 Yeah, and I went to interview at North Kern and Corcoran, and I interviewed at Corcoran once before and they didn't pick me up. 00:47:10.791 --> 00:47:11.867 Did you interview for? 00:47:11.907 --> 00:47:15.490 Corcoran as a lieutenant once before, or for sergeant, just sergeant just sergeant. 00:47:15.510 --> 00:47:17.282 Okay, yeah, I got picked up. 00:47:17.282 --> 00:47:19.891 My first interview as a sergeant, my first interview as a lieutenant. 00:47:20.632 --> 00:47:22.175 But um damn homie dispensa. 00:47:22.175 --> 00:47:22.905 I got lucky. 00:47:22.905 --> 00:47:24.612 Took me like four or five fucking times. 00:47:25.014 --> 00:47:27.744 Well, I'll tell you bro, I'll tell you a story real quick. 00:47:27.744 --> 00:47:31.333 So when I went to interview at corcoran the second time, I did not give a shit. 00:47:31.333 --> 00:47:34.666 I was disgruntled, I was upset that I had to leave. 00:47:34.666 --> 00:47:42.713 So when I went in there, you know how the panel goes right, yeah, and they're asking you these questions and I knew most of the stuff as a sergeant. 00:47:42.713 --> 00:47:47.413 You know the hearing process, the basic questions what do you do if there's a fight on the yard? 00:47:47.413 --> 00:47:48.570 How do you lock up an inmate? 00:47:48.570 --> 00:47:50.485 What are the duties of a sergeant, Whatever? 00:47:50.485 --> 00:47:59.766 But the last question most people will ever ask you for all your interviews is you know, do you have any questions for us, or why should we pick you up? 00:47:59.766 --> 00:48:03.315 And that's where you sell yourself, you know. 00:48:03.835 --> 00:48:08.612 And I was fucking disgruntled, dude, and you know, a little cocky at the time. 00:48:08.612 --> 00:48:09.755 I was like why should you pick me? 00:48:09.755 --> 00:48:11.726 Let me tell you why you should pick me. 00:48:11.726 --> 00:48:17.697 Because I got my two-piece in the car and I'm to work and I'll work any motherfucking yard at this prison. 00:48:17.697 --> 00:48:20.672 I didn't cuss, I'm just joking, but I said I'll work any yard at this prison. 00:48:21.425 --> 00:48:22.547 A lot of people don't want to work. 00:48:22.547 --> 00:48:24.934 I'm here to work, so you need me to work tomorrow. 00:48:24.934 --> 00:48:26.097 You need me to work right now, you let me know. 00:48:26.097 --> 00:48:28.349 But if you don't need me, you guys have a good day. 00:48:28.349 --> 00:48:30.211 Fuck out of here. 00:48:30.211 --> 00:48:30.452 Yeah. 00:48:30.452 --> 00:48:36.925 And the one guy was like hey. 00:48:36.925 --> 00:48:37.708 And so I'm thinking fuck you guys. 00:48:37.708 --> 00:48:38.210 You know what I mean. 00:48:38.210 --> 00:48:41.166 I left, you know, drove back to my house the next day. 00:48:41.166 --> 00:48:42.925 They're like hey, is this, are you Durant? 00:48:42.925 --> 00:48:44.733 I was like, yeah, what's up. 00:48:44.733 --> 00:48:47.025 They're like oh, sorry, man, we're going to offer you a position. 00:48:47.025 --> 00:48:48.210 It worked, it worked. 00:48:48.210 --> 00:48:53.552 I was like are you sure I was the last thing? 00:48:53.552 --> 00:48:54.434 I expected, dude? 00:48:54.434 --> 00:48:54.574 Yeah. 00:48:54.574 --> 00:48:55.896 So I was like wait, are you sure? 00:48:55.896 --> 00:48:57.139 They're like, yeah, full time. 00:48:57.139 --> 00:48:59.385 I was like Fuck bro, Wait, are you? 00:49:00.025 --> 00:49:01.431 As a sergeant or as a lieutenant? 00:49:01.431 --> 00:49:03.010 I transferred as a sergeant. 00:49:03.010 --> 00:49:03.932 I didn't know that. 00:49:03.932 --> 00:49:06.152 Yeah, so you interviewed first as a sergeant. 00:49:06.152 --> 00:49:07.510 You transferred as a sergeant to Corcoran. 00:49:10.686 --> 00:49:12.347 Yeah, because of my child support issues. 00:49:12.347 --> 00:49:18.391 Yeah, came to Corcoran with one year as a supervisor so that way I could establish custody of my daughter, right. 00:49:18.391 --> 00:49:24.255 And so I went back to court and they were like, okay, cool, so holy shit bro. 00:49:24.275 --> 00:49:29.760 So technically this is your fourth correctional facility you've worked at to include the county. 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.780 How was that? 00:49:32.842 --> 00:49:34.043 So Corcoran's a whole different animal. 00:49:34.043 --> 00:49:35.266 You know what I mean? 00:49:35.266 --> 00:49:38.456 That's a maximum security prison for all the people that work in other states. 00:49:38.456 --> 00:49:39.588 You guys call it super max. 00:49:39.588 --> 00:49:41.275 We only have max, we don't go any higher. 00:49:41.275 --> 00:49:44.291 So yeah, corcoran was rocking and rolling. 00:49:44.291 --> 00:49:45.715 It was scary. 00:49:46.306 --> 00:49:47.811 Right out the gate, like initially. 00:49:47.811 --> 00:49:49.630 I mean, did you hit the ground running? 00:49:49.630 --> 00:49:59.268 Were you seeing any shit

you had not been exposed to thus far in all your experiences, oh yeah, been exposed to thus far in all your experiences? 00:49:59.289 --> 00:49:59.851 oh yeah, corcoran broke me in. 00:49:59.851 --> 00:50:00.152 You know they. 00:50:00.152 --> 00:50:00.954 They beat the shit out of me there. 00:50:00.954 --> 00:50:05.735 Um, when I started there, remind you, I talked a big game and I regretted it the first day I walked in. 00:50:05.735 --> 00:50:08.646 I talked all that shit in that interview and they're like, yeah, this kid's about it. 00:50:08.646 --> 00:50:14.083 Put him in um or level four, eop ad sig level four eop ad sig. 00:50:14.563 --> 00:50:15.967 How many ad sigs did corcoran have? 00:50:16.367 --> 00:50:24.360 fuck dude I mean, I mean at the time you have 4A which has your shoe, which had LTRH long restricted housing. 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:26.913 Okay, they had everybody there. 00:50:26.913 --> 00:50:28.791 They had like four lockup units just on 4A. 00:50:30.045 --> 00:50:35.632 And then the one you're talking about was level 4 SMY, eop, like the worst of the worst. 00:50:35.994 --> 00:50:40.159 Yeah, so, corcoran, you know you have a four side and three side, three side um. 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:56.820 On three a facility you have your level four EOP and then in the middle of the prison you have a um, an administrative segregation for just triple C inmates In the middle of the prison, yeah, next to our uh um, like our R and R um, what do you call it? 00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:58.643 Correctional Treatment Center, our little hospital? 00:50:58.643 --> 00:51:03.391 Yeah, there's like a little isolated, that's interesting Administrative segregation in the middle. 00:51:03.391 --> 00:51:15.358 And then on 4 side, on 4A, you have all your lockup units and then before they had 4B, which is lockup, but when I got there they were transitioning 4B to a level two facility. 00:51:15.358 --> 00:51:16.527 Is there any mainline there? 00:51:16.527 --> 00:51:17.972 Gp it was. 00:51:17.972 --> 00:51:24.431 Yeah, well, not anymore, but 3C was level four GP, 3c was level four GP and 3B was level four. 00:51:25.664 --> 00:51:27.509 180 or 270? 00:51:27.509 --> 00:51:31.338 Smy, 270, I think ABC. 00:51:31.338 --> 00:51:34.172 Abc was open or ABC was closed. 00:51:34.172 --> 00:51:39.755 No, I mean the building you walk in you have a unit or a section B, section, c section, so that's 180. 00:51:39.755 --> 00:51:39.976 With walls? 00:51:39.976 --> 00:51:42.284 Yeah, with walls in between, no walls, okay 270. 00:51:42.385 --> 00:51:44.311 Oh 270, yeah, never understood that. 00:51:44.311 --> 00:51:46.806 But yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:51:46.806 --> 00:51:48.813 So you have lock-up units all over the fucking place. 00:51:48.813 --> 00:51:51.746 You know, like I went to VSP, they have one lock-up unit. 00:51:51.746 --> 00:51:55.211 You know, 50 fucking inmates and then I go to Corcoran. 00:51:55.211 --> 00:51:56.594 It was this whole other ballgame. 00:51:56.635 --> 00:51:57.836 So what are some things? 00:51:57.836 --> 00:52:01.251 You see, that's where they assigned you or that's where you ended up in that. 00:52:02.045 --> 00:52:09.833 When I went to Corcoran I was a second watch coverage, so they're like hey, put this motherfucker Plugging you in there, yeah, put him everywhere. 00:52:09.853 --> 00:52:19.704 Let's see what he's about Describe to the crowd what kind of fucking sound sight smells. 00:52:19.724 --> 00:52:20.847 You'll hear in a lock-up unit like that yelling man. 00:52:20.847 --> 00:52:21.088 You know so. 00:52:21.088 --> 00:52:22.471 Corcoran was is old school, you know so. 00:52:22.471 --> 00:52:26.478 My first um day they put me in it was 304 at the time. 00:52:26.478 --> 00:52:28.668 So it's 304, level 4 eop. 00:52:28.668 --> 00:52:31.835 So you walk into that building, you know. 00:52:31.835 --> 00:52:33.639 The control door opens up. 00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:47.989 You walk in and all these motherfuckers see your nice shiny little chevrons fuck you every inmate is like this fucking head on the glass and they're like, look at that pretty ass, little fucking mario lopez bitch. 00:52:47.989 --> 00:52:51.677 And I was just like, oh my gosh, here we go. 00:52:51.677 --> 00:52:54.329 And they're like, damn homie, look at your little ass. 00:52:54.329 --> 00:52:54.989 Like they just. 00:52:54.989 --> 00:52:59.126 It's probably the first time I felt like I was like man. 00:52:59.126 --> 00:53:01.351 This is what it feels like to be catcalled when you're a woman. 00:53:01.351 --> 00:53:02.735 Facts it's horrible. 00:53:02.735 --> 00:53:05.432 So after that I never catcalled any woman in my life. 00:53:05.432 --> 00:53:10.157 But it's very loud, it's cold. 00:53:10.157 --> 00:53:11.869 So you know that's one thing. 00:53:11.869 --> 00:53:13.414 People never tell you Prison's cold. 00:53:21.045 --> 00:53:23.110 There's cement everywhere, and when you're cold you kind of stiffen up, which is not a good thing. 00:53:23.110 --> 00:53:23.592 Wait a minute, is it? 00:53:23.652 --> 00:53:24.815 cork rim where jaime osuna cut off that dude's head. 00:53:24.815 --> 00:53:26.039 Yeah, right there on 4a, was that your time frame? 00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:28.568 Yeah, no, yeah, I wasn't working that day, but uh, uh, randolph, he's an aw now. 00:53:28.588 --> 00:53:32.967 He was the lieutenant there so this is a unit that you're talking about, or a different unit or similar? 00:53:33.668 --> 00:53:41.865 no, so 4a was our strh or yeah well, asuna, he was eop, you know at the time, yeah, as a mental health status. 00:53:41.865 --> 00:53:47.402 So he went to 304, okay, so 304 and 481 were your two worst areas at corcoran. 00:53:47.402 --> 00:53:49.327 Oh my god, yeah, you know. 00:53:49.327 --> 00:53:49.909 So you know. 00:53:49.909 --> 00:53:51.574 4a was violent, you know what I mean. 00:53:51.574 --> 00:53:55.172 Yeah, but like, but you had, you had your gangsters there, you know what I mean. 00:53:55.172

--> 00:53:59.931 Like you had some shot callers there, like your general population guys in your humble opinion, bro. 00:53:59.952 --> 00:54:03.447 Would you rather deal with gp gangsters or fucking eops? 00:54:03.869 --> 00:54:04.630 gp all day long. 00:54:04.630 --> 00:54:06.375 Exactly, I'd rather fight a fucking gangster. 00:54:06.375 --> 00:54:09.010 They'll fight you fair, they'll beat you up and all right. 00:54:09.010 --> 00:54:11.036 Cool, you know what I mean because I've been beat up a lot. 00:54:11.036 --> 00:54:13.108 Um, but they're straight up about it, right? 00:54:13.108 --> 00:54:13.630 An eop guy? 00:54:13.630 --> 00:54:15.632 They'll fucking cut your throat and they don't even care. 00:54:15.632 --> 00:54:18.958 Weird shit, huh, yeah, all I know is EOP. 00:54:18.958 --> 00:54:25.257 My first building at Valley State Prison was the first building they ever converted on A2. 00:54:25.257 --> 00:54:27.170 Yeah, it was a brand new EOP building. 00:54:27.170 --> 00:54:28.333 Nobody wanted to work it. 00:54:28.333 --> 00:54:35.358 So I'm like, hey, there's Sunday, mondays off on a bid, bro, nobody wants it. 00:54:35.358 --> 00:54:39.456 They're like, hey, you don't want to go there, youngster. 00:54:39.456 --> 00:54:40.525 So my first building I worked a level two EOP. 00:54:41.525 --> 00:54:57.112 So what advice would you give again, with your experience of a CO maybe he's worked around GPs his whole entire career, transferred to a joint where there's EOPs and the fucking wild ones we're talking about what advice would you kind of school him like? 00:54:57.112 --> 00:54:59.150 Would you say like hey, be careful around these guys. 00:54:59.150 --> 00:55:01.016 They're more impulsive, definitely? 00:55:01.264 --> 00:55:08.115 So and we would get this all the time because 3C was level 4 GP, so we'd get officers from 3C to get held over to my yard, which was 3A. 00:55:08.115 --> 00:55:19.606 3a is a level 4 S&Y and we had EOP at SIG, so we would get EOPs like overflow. 00:55:19.606 --> 00:55:20.186 The mentality is different. 00:55:20.186 --> 00:55:32.371 You cannot talk down or cuss or try to be rough with a mentally challenged inmate, so they're very unpredictable and the majority of them are taking psych medications. 00:55:32.711 --> 00:55:47.699 If you look at all the incidents and stuff going on in the world, a lot of it's due to people that are taking psych medication and they're not mentally stable because they're switching medication or they go off or whatever that's happening in those areas. 00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:53.722 So you got to be patient, you got to know how to talk to them and you got to be careful with how you talk. 00:55:53.722 --> 00:56:04.391 And I use a lot of my body language to talk to people Like I don't directly talk in front of you, it just it comes out violent. 00:56:04.391 --> 00:56:07.481 So I always approach somebody on the side, I always let them talk and explain everything and then I'll say what I have

to say. 00:56:07.481 --> 00:56:14.708 But if you try to approach one of them and tell them something dude, it's like startling a fucking deer bro. 00:56:14.728 --> 00:56:15.630 It's like grabbing a pit bull. 00:56:15.650 --> 00:56:16.733 It's like grabbing a pit bull. 00:56:16.733 --> 00:56:17.695 It's like grabbing a pit bull. 00:56:17.695 --> 00:56:22.733 That's why we call them EOP whispers yeah, the cops that are really good at talking to these dudes. 00:56:23.144 --> 00:56:29.594 Yeah, most of those cops are pretty much EOP themselves, correct, they got issues, facts, so you bring that with that and sometimes it works out. 00:56:29.594 --> 00:56:30.806 No, but it does work out. 00:56:30.806 --> 00:56:42.632 My first big extraction I did was because a stupid officer that worked on a general population tried to down talk an inmate in an EOP ad seg and it was something really stupid. 00:56:42.632 --> 00:56:49.914 And I have a good rapport with this inmate, very violent inmate but this stupid officer said something disrespectful to him. 00:56:49.914 --> 00:56:51.489 You don't do that. 00:56:52.085 --> 00:56:53.891 Was that the inmate's name that you stated earlier? 00:56:53.891 --> 00:56:55.414 Yeah, we're talking offline. 00:56:55.494 --> 00:56:58.204 Yeah, Okay, and he said something disrespectful to the inmate's name that you stated earlier. 00:56:58.204 --> 00:56:58.514 Yeah, we're talking offline. 00:56:58.514 --> 00:57:08.215 Yeah, okay, and he said something disrespectful to the inmate and it just is something that simple calling somebody a bitch, somebody walking by you and you not addressing them. 00:57:08.215 --> 00:57:11.971 That'll get you a whole incident and that's what happened that day. 00:57:11.971 --> 00:57:14.971 But you got to be careful with those guys, with the EOP guys. 00:57:14.971 --> 00:57:15.534 Back to your question. 00:57:15.534 --> 00:57:17.081 Well, not to be careful with those guys, you know, with the EOP guys. 00:57:17.081 --> 00:57:17.844 Back to your question. 00:57:18.505 --> 00:57:19.628 Well, not to mention. 00:57:19.628 --> 00:57:24.304 I mean oftentimes we think EOP, we think of the fakers. 00:57:24.304 --> 00:57:26.125 Right, we've all dealt with the fakers, yeah yeah. 00:57:26.125 --> 00:57:35.085 But then there's the ones that are literally whatever they're dealing with schizophrenia, psychosis, psychotic episodes, that's fuck. 00:57:35.085 --> 00:57:37.831 Had you ever encountered that kind of motherfuckers off the? 00:57:37.891 --> 00:57:38.172 rocker. 00:57:38.172 --> 00:57:39.094 Oh, man dude. 00:57:39.094 --> 00:57:45.532 Yeah, you know, like you said, you got to remember in the prison system a lot of your general population inmates. 00:57:45.532 --> 00:57:50.976 When they get washed up and they go S and Y, there's more privileges and program for EOP inmates so weird. 00:57:50.976 --> 00:57:59.311 So if you're a smart inmate, you're going to go tell a psychologist, oh, I don't feel too good, and then they'll evaluate you and you're going to fake a test and then you're going to be in an EOP program. 00:57:59.311 --> 00:58:04.275 Now you have more opportunity, you have more visiting, you have a bunch of shit. 00:58:04.275 --> 00:58:07.253 So a lot of inmates are going EOP for that purpose only. 00:58:07.253 --> 00:58:13.990 And then they avoid all the issues from these two fivers Northern Riders on the S&Y game, because they're segregating themselves. 00:58:14.411 --> 00:58:22.438 So they're segregating themselves, so they're smart, but CDCR just pulled a fast one on them around 2019 and made them non-designated, bro, meaning they can go wherever the fuck now. 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:24.860 Yeah, I can tell you about that too, did you? 00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:25.400 encounter that? 00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:27.365 Yeah, yeah, I did. 00:58:27.365 --> 00:58:30.896 And did you have inmates refusing to get rehoused? 00:58:32.105 --> 00:58:40.893 So I ran 3A for two years as a sergeant, a level 4 S&Y, but we had our EOP building there, so I got real familiar with the EOPs, dealing with them. 00:58:40.893 --> 00:58:48.298 Going back to I think you mentioned something earlier so there was an inmate I had a good rapport with. 00:58:48.298 --> 00:58:49.681 He was EOP very slow. 00:58:49.681 --> 00:58:55.407 You know the mentality of a five-year-old, so you have to talk to him very slow, explain stuff to him. 00:58:55.407 --> 00:58:56.889 One day he snapped, sucked her officer right in her face. 00:58:56.889 --> 00:59:00.733 Female officer Cracked her Boom boom, cracked her right in her face, boom, she fell over. 00:59:00.733 --> 00:59:05.081 Male officer sees it, goes over there, boom boom, starts throwing blows and they're going at it. 00:59:05.081 --> 00:59:10.050 They're fucking going at it. 00:59:10.050 --> 00:59:12.112 And he was one of my good officers. 00:59:12.132 --> 00:59:14.496 Officer, this is one thing you got to understand as supervisor. 00:59:14.496 --> 00:59:21.152 When an alarm goes off and you don't hear anybody on that radio, that's a scary thing, dude. 00:59:21.152 --> 00:59:29.233 It gets me my blood going Because I don't know if an officer is fighting, I don't know if an officer is getting hurt. 00:59:29.233 --> 00:59:34.201 And then you know most of the ones were false alarms and stuff. 00:59:34.201 --> 00:59:42.224 But that's why, as a supervisor, this is something I always did when an alarm went off, I would tell the control booth control, what do we got Control? 00:59:42.224 --> 00:59:42.706 What do we got? 00:59:42.706 --> 00:59:45.391 Because everybody needs to know what the hell we're running into. 00:59:45.391 --> 00:59:50.670 But those scared me, and that was that one where nobody was on the radio. 00:59:50.992 --> 00:59:53.867 So me and my guys got there and you were the sergeant on the facility. 00:59:53.867 --> 00:59:56.231 Yeah, yeah, we had an EOP building there too. 00:59:56.231 --> 00:59:58.717 I forgot to say there

was an eop I'd say an eop building. 00:59:58.717 --> 01:00:00.822 So we get there, we deal with the ma. 01:00:00.822 --> 01:00:04.431 Uh, we take them up to program and I won't say too much. 01:00:04.431 --> 01:00:06.739 But, um, yeah, don't say too much. 01:00:06.739 --> 01:00:09.527 I saw, I saw his personality change and it was scary, dude. 01:00:09.527 --> 01:00:19.096 He went from looking me in the eye saying some horrible things, like I'm gonna kill you, like I killed that fucking girl, yeah, crazy. 01:00:19.096 --> 01:00:21.653 And then, oh, hey, duran, everything okay. 01:00:21.653 --> 01:00:27.657 And I was like motherfucker, hold up, hold up, yeah, dude, and that was him. 01:00:27.657 --> 01:00:34.992 He was bipolar, he was schizophrenic and that's the kind of shit you got to understand when you deal with those inmates. 01:00:35.172 --> 01:00:47.213 I need you to please for the record loud and clear, because I've been doing this YouTube shit for two years and every time I mention a staff assault, you have everyone and their mom saying, oh, inmates, don't assault COs for no reason. 01:00:47.213 --> 01:00:52.197 You just gave a perfect fucking example of Mavagas switches flipping. 01:00:52.197 --> 01:00:54.952 Do inmates attack COs for no? 01:00:54.992 --> 01:00:55.795 reason All the time. 01:00:55.795 --> 01:00:56.746 All the time. 01:00:56.746 --> 01:01:12.398 If you look at it like this Hector, all of your violent, disgusting, like rape type of stuff that inmates have done to officers, they've all been at your low level areas where people don't have their guard up. 01:01:12.398 --> 01:01:13.684 You know what I mean. 01:01:13.684 --> 01:01:17.568 Like your crazy, violent, you know rape, murder, stuff statewide. 01:01:17.568 --> 01:01:21.130 In the last 30, 40 years they weren't at a level four maximum prison. 01:01:21.130 --> 01:01:25.893 They're at a level two area in a dining area, somewhere where nobody has their guard up. 01:01:25.893 --> 01:01:34.599 So, yeah, that kind of shit happens and that's why you know you're going to go a long time and it's easy, there's nothing going on, but it's complacency. 01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:35.599 It's complacency. 01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:42.509 You're in an area where there's a lot of people that were taken out of society and put here for a reason and that's why you have to have your guard up. 01:01:42.509 --> 01:01:46.527 You have to you know what I mean Be able to use your peripheral to observe stuff and be sharp. 01:01:46.748 --> 01:02:08.344 Not just that, you have death row condemned inmates on level two facilities now no-transcript. 01:02:08.405 --> 01:02:11.869 They changed protective custody to naming it SNY sensitive need yards. 01:02:11.869 --> 01:02:16.773 So all your guys that were washed up or taken off of a mainline went to SMY. 01:02:16.773 --> 01:02:23.601 Well, the state said fuck, all these SMY inmates are politicking and making gangs just like they were on the GP. 01:02:23.601 --> 01:02:25.913 So what we try to do is not working. 01:02:25.913 --> 01:02:38.833 We have more violence on SMY yards, we have more gangs that we don't even know about, because all your, your sedanials, your northenials, your whites, your blacks, they're like hey, bro, I'm a gangster, just because my homies don't think I'm good. 01:02:38.833 --> 01:02:39.434 I am good. 01:02:39.434 --> 01:02:41.295 So some of these dudes are smart. 01:02:41.295 --> 01:02:45.818 So they start politicking, they make their own game, they get numbers, and with numbers you're strong. 01:02:45.818 --> 01:02:48.942 And so the state said what the fuck are we going to do? 01:02:48.942 --> 01:02:52.068 You know? 01:02:52.168 --> 01:02:57.157 And so they said hey, let's make them, whatever they you know those politicians decided to do. 01:02:57.157 --> 01:03:04.056 But, um, so they just said let's just throw everybody together because whatever we did's not working. 01:03:04.056 --> 01:03:08.059 And you could ask a lot of even the counselors are like what the fuck do we do? 01:03:08.059 --> 01:03:19.117 Right, when I was the watch commander, we had counselors from uh san quentin that were transferring inmates not putting proper uh documentation because they were scared to put their name on the paperwork. 01:03:19.117 --> 01:03:20.672 Yeah, I'm like hey, why aren't? 01:03:20.672 --> 01:03:22.224 Is this guy coming to this yard or not? 01:03:22.224 --> 01:03:25.735 You said he could come here, but your classification stuff you're not actually wording that. 01:03:25.735 --> 01:03:27.170 So is he locked up or not. 01:03:28.045 --> 01:03:29.190 Oh, I see what you're saying. 01:03:29.190 --> 01:03:30.054 I think I encountered that. 01:03:30.054 --> 01:03:32.291 What do they call those notes? 01:03:32.291 --> 01:03:33.356 Case notes or whatever? 01:03:33.356 --> 01:03:35.869 They would leave shit very vague. 01:03:35.869 --> 01:03:41.117 Or it'll say receiving institution will designate the appropriate housing. 01:03:41.117 --> 01:03:42.679 Yeah, and put it on you. 01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:43.686 Yeah, I'm like, hold on. 01:03:43.686 --> 01:03:46.150 You just sent him to us, so where is he supposed to go? 01:03:46.150 --> 01:03:48.492 Oh well, you know, wherever you think? 01:03:48.492 --> 01:03:55.030 Whoa, it don't work that way, but that was their way to cover their ass, right, and you know, everyone has to cover their own ass, but yeah. 01:03:55.030 --> 01:04:03.594 So we opened up our first non-designated yard on 3B and 4B and at the time I was a third watch sergeant. 01:04:03.594 --> 01:04:17.871 Two years on, 3a Finally approved myself, established myself with the guys, things were good, Yard was good, and then I got offered to go to second watch by Goss solid dude and so I went to second watch as a relief. 01:04:17.871 --> 01:04:22.030 They said, hey, duran, so-and-so's running the yard, we need another sergeant to. 01:04:22.030 --> 01:04:24.391 They needed some muscle on

the yard, pretty much. 01:04:24.391 --> 01:04:32.228 So they brought me over to 3B and they said, hey, we're bringing this, all these dudes from these private jails and stuff, and they're going to come to non-designated. 01:04:32.228 --> 01:04:35.072 And I'm like, okay, they're like we need you to. 01:04:35.072 --> 01:04:38.559 When they come here, we're bringing them in 30, 40, 50 dudes at a time. 01:04:42.085 --> 01:04:43.829 Was the yard empty starting off. 01:04:43.829 --> 01:04:47.018 No, we already had a bunch of like S&Y inmates there. 01:04:47.018 --> 01:04:48.688 S&y inmates. 01:04:48.688 --> 01:04:53.393 So they were S&Y heavy initially, yeah, and they just started sitting. 01:04:53.545 --> 01:04:57.936 Well, they just changed their status Now what would happen every time they would bring a GP onto that facility. 01:04:58.605 --> 01:05:00.469 So when they switched it to non-designated 3B. 01:05:00.469 --> 01:05:03.416 It started off slow, nothing really going on. 01:05:03.416 --> 01:05:06.635 We were having more issues with the Southerners. 01:05:06.635 --> 01:05:09.492 They're just you're not taking me there. 01:05:09.492 --> 01:05:15.650 And the counselors are like, well, we're going to recommend you for non-designated and they're like I ain't going there, you're fucking out of your mind. 01:05:15.650 --> 01:05:17.293 So then what happens there? 01:05:17.293 --> 01:05:21.157 You know we get stuck having to take them physically, take them. 01:05:21.157 --> 01:05:24.219 And you know I always kept shit 100. 01:05:24.219 --> 01:05:32.028 You know, I would tell a Southerner I say, man, you understand, I got to put you on 3B. 01:05:32.028 --> 01:05:38.335 He's like, yeah, dred, no disrespect, but I got to do what I here to the holding cell and if you want to take off on us, take off on us. 01:05:38.335 --> 01:05:40.577 So it was always respected, you know. 01:05:42.019 --> 01:05:42.740 Explain that more. 01:05:42.740 --> 01:05:44.208 Take them to the holding cell. 01:05:44.208 --> 01:05:46.032 So what would you tell them? 01:05:46.713 --> 01:05:54.313 So, like if I had to take an inmate from like R&R to the facility, I didn't want any issues to arise in front of medical, in front of free staff. 01:05:54.594 --> 01:05:58.699 So you would tell the in&M Dave, you're going to do your thing, do it at the yard, and you know it was respect, right. 01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:00.548 He's like hey, dren, I got to do what I got to do, right. 01:06:00.548 --> 01:06:06.186 And I said, well, that's cool, but I don't want any females to get hurt, I don't want any free staff to get hurt because we start fighting. 01:06:07.068 --> 01:06:08.710 So a lot of people have this question. 01:06:08.710 --> 01:06:09.690 They're in their mind dude. 01:06:09.690 --> 01:06:13.253 You know, honestly, it was just one of those things to where you do what you're told. 01:06:22.125 --> 01:06:24.634 Right, and it wasn't just like they're telling us, they're telling the whole state. 01:06:24.634 --> 01:06:28.110 So anybody that was converting to non-designated yards. 01:06:28.110 --> 01:06:34.326 They were slowly doing this with lower-level inmates that didn't really have a voice so they wouldn't do anything. 01:06:34.326 --> 01:06:40.807 So they started with your level ones, your level twos, guys that didn't have a lot of time in the prison system, intermingling them. 01:06:40.807 --> 01:06:41.447 You know, you got. 01:06:41.447 --> 01:06:47.831 You got child molesters, you have northerners, bulldogs, whatever, and they're putting them all in the same yard. 01:06:47.831 --> 01:06:50.871 And you bring a 20 year old kid off the streets, that's a bulldog. 01:06:50.871 --> 01:06:51.992 What is he going to do? 01:06:51.992 --> 01:06:53.432 I mean, he don't really know any better. 01:06:53.432 --> 01:06:56.353 And you bring a dude from like Salinas Valley, that's a bulldog. 01:06:56.353 --> 01:06:58.355 He's going to fight everybody. 01:06:58.355 --> 01:06:59.715 You know that's just the way it is. 01:06:59.715 --> 01:07:05.717 And so, yeah, 4b, when 4B made non-designated bro, it was crazy. 01:07:05.717 --> 01:07:09.619 Honestly, it's going pretty good from what I heard. 01:07:09.619 --> 01:07:10.519 You know it's mellowed out. 01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:13.942 No, you're saying that now, but what about initially? 01:07:13.942 --> 01:07:16.181 Oh, no, it was off the hook dude. 01:07:16.202 --> 01:07:17.643 But did a lot of inmates get hurt. 01:07:18.182 --> 01:07:21.025 Yeah, all the time it was crazy. 01:07:21.266 --> 01:07:28.710 From your perspective, do you think they have valid lawsuits coming from that? 01:07:29.791 --> 01:07:39.119 No, I mean they dot their I's cross their T's with paperwork, so it's like putting your signature on something. 01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:40.039 If you sign it, you own it. 01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:43.443 So they would make a lot of inmates sign shit, in my opinion, or agree to shit. 01:07:47.324 --> 01:07:49.527 I thought they were fucking just admonishing them. 01:07:49.527 --> 01:07:58.353 You know, yeah, when they would go to committee and talk to these inmates, they would pretty much say, on there we're making the recommendation that you're going to non-designated. 01:07:58.353 --> 01:08:01.896 And then you know, I would scan all the way down to like the comments or whatever. 01:08:01.896 --> 01:08:09.001 And the A&M said, fuck you, I'm not going there, but it is our recommendation that he go there, try it out, type of thing. 01:08:09.001 --> 01:08:15.867 Right, and yeah, so real quick, hector, we'd get R&R. 01:08:15.867 --> 01:08:17.493 And I would call the R and r sergeant hey, bro, what's going on today? 01:08:17.493 --> 01:08:19.421 And he'd be like hey, dredd, you have five bulldogs coming to your to three. 01:08:19.421 --> 01:08:23.341 I didn't, I didn't work for me, but I would get held there a lot, yeah, and he'd be like you got five bulldogs. 01:08:23.341 --> 01:08:24.686 So I

already knew what that meant. 01:08:24.686 --> 01:08:25.248 You know what I mean? 01:08:25.248 --> 01:08:26.833 Those motherfuckers are gonna, they're gonna take off. 01:08:26.833 --> 01:08:30.270 So they would ask we would escort them to the facility. 01:08:30.270 --> 01:08:33.474 And it was just, you know, it was game time. 01:08:33.713 --> 01:08:38.381 Was the Bulldogs getting off any different than the Surrenos getting off, or did they all look the same? 01:08:40.905 --> 01:08:42.432 So we try to do it controlled. 01:08:42.432 --> 01:08:46.015 So if we could release one at a time and take them to their cell, we would. 01:08:46.015 --> 01:08:50.854 But it's just like the second we open that door and there's inmates around. 01:08:50.854 --> 01:08:51.837 They're just going to take off. 01:08:51.837 --> 01:08:54.211 The Bulldogs are very structured. 01:08:54.211 --> 01:08:55.667 I mean, the Northerners are very structured. 01:08:56.488 --> 01:08:59.030 So the Northerners would never leave R&R by themselves. 01:08:59.030 --> 01:09:02.475 So they would say, hey, if you're taking us, you're going to at least take two of us. 01:09:02.475 --> 01:09:04.377 So they were always getting off two or more. 01:09:04.377 --> 01:09:07.501 Yeah, they'd say, you could either extract us here or let us go out two at a time. 01:09:07.501 --> 01:09:08.202 That's interesting. 01:09:08.202 --> 01:09:23.315 So what they would do is we would take two to three northerners and we'd put them in a unit and what the northerners would do is they would lock arms and then they would just go at it and start fucking going to town on dudes. 01:09:23.315 --> 01:09:26.854 But they would lock arms so they knew they were together as long as they could. 01:09:26.854 --> 01:09:29.552 And the chomos were getting their ass beat right. 01:09:29.552 --> 01:09:31.552 All these washed-up dudes were getting their ass beat. 01:09:31.552 --> 01:09:39.630 So the chomos got sick of it and they said we got to do something. 01:09:39.630 --> 01:09:40.412 We got it, we got to protect ourselves. 01:09:40.412 --> 01:09:40.853 It was fucking weird. 01:09:40.853 --> 01:09:43.600 And so all these fucking you know guys that are in there for disgusting crimes. 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:48.073 They started having meetings and they started forming like a little alliance. 01:09:48.073 --> 01:09:50.480 No way bro what the bro. 01:09:51.002 --> 01:09:56.729 So all these guys said, hey, when these guys come into the building, we're all gonna stick together, we're gonna fight together. 01:09:56.729 --> 01:10:01.854 So I'm watching avs and I you know, I see fucking 20 chomos taking off on four northerners. 01:10:01.854 --> 01:10:05.350 I'm like this is some weird shit would the northerners come out on top? 01:10:06.072 --> 01:10:08.296 no, no, the fucking chomolestri would. 01:10:08.296 --> 01:10:09.967 Fucking son of a bitch man. 01:10:10.007 --> 01:10:11.694 That's a horrible ending to the story. 01:10:11.694 --> 01:10:19.055 Yeah, I mean not all the time, but yeah, you know, I probably saw like maybe eight fights like that. 01:10:19.055 --> 01:10:20.810 I didn't even work that yard. 01:10:23.266 --> 01:10:33.574 So the way they were we, they were doing it in Donovan was you would get four Southerners touch down the minimum yard and then, one at a time, they would. 01:10:33.574 --> 01:10:40.055 We would tell them just to walk into the dorm by themselves, yeah, and then we'd walk in behind them and they'd be on the ground laid out. 01:10:40.055 --> 01:10:43.213 No suspects, yeah, no, I believe it. 01:10:43.213 --> 01:10:45.512 And then you roll them up for safety concerns. 01:10:46.225 --> 01:10:47.591 Yeah, that's exactly what we did. 01:10:47.591 --> 01:10:50.050 And they would get mad at me. 01:10:50.050 --> 01:10:50.912 The Southerners? 01:10:50.912 --> 01:10:52.617 Well, yeah, bro, they do. 01:10:52.617 --> 01:10:55.248 Ain't nobody trying to get fucked up? 01:10:55.248 --> 01:10:59.278 No, no, no, I mean like I, I would say, hey, I gotta roll you up. 01:10:59.278 --> 01:11:02.814 And they would get mad like, no, put me on the fucking yard. 01:11:02.814 --> 01:11:03.966 You already brought me here, motherfucker. 01:11:03.966 --> 01:11:04.507 Put me out there. 01:11:04.507 --> 01:11:05.792 And I'm like no, I can't. 01:11:05.792 --> 01:11:06.252 You already. 01:11:06.252 --> 01:11:07.725 You already tried to stab those two guys. 01:11:07.725 --> 01:11:10.412 You're right, you brought me here, let me get down. 01:11:10.412 --> 01:11:12.284 I'm like you already got down, but they would. 01:11:12.284 --> 01:11:16.434 They wanted to prove themselves facts, yeah because what a shit storm. 01:11:16.453 --> 01:11:17.515 It was it shitstorm, bro, it was bad. 01:11:17.515 --> 01:11:18.398 That's horrible, man. 01:11:18.398 --> 01:11:22.011 Yeah, with no direction from the top, dude, it's just like hey, fucking mix them. 01:11:23.085 --> 01:11:30.934 No, well, most of the times that all the inmates would arrive, the managers were gone anyways, true, so they'd be like, hey, let's see what's going to happen in the morning, you know. 01:11:32.385 --> 01:11:32.965 Now did you guys. 01:11:40.470 --> 01:11:43.199 And, yeah, I had a Southerner take off on me on 3B non-designated. 01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:46.519 We were escorting him and he was like, hey, bro, I ain't going to fucking be here. 01:11:46.519 --> 01:11:49.018 And I'm just like, hey, man, this is where you're going. 01:11:49.018 --> 01:11:52.300 And nowadays they just, oh, I'm in crisis, I'm going to kill myself. 01:11:52.300 --> 01:11:55.520 So you got to whatever, do the CIT stuff. 01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:57.154 And so we did all that. 01:11:57.154 --> 01:12:02.072 Right, mental health came and evaluated him, lieutenant, sergeant, and then mental health cleared him. 01:12:02.072 --> 01:12:03.193 They're like, no, he ain't in crisis. 01:12:03.193 --> 01:12:05.172 Yeah, so when they clear him, what do we got to

do? 01:12:05.953 --> 01:12:18.319 We got to take him back to the building you know, did you ever experience a crisis intervention team, a CIT, where they have a person from mental health, a person from medical and then a custody? 01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:20.479 Yeah, 100 times, probably more. 01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:28.703 Could you explain to the crowd that's a duty that a sergeant or a lieutenant has to do, man, let's say you have an inmate and he alleges he's suicidal. 01:12:28.703 --> 01:12:30.585 What the process would be then? 01:12:31.604 --> 01:12:45.822 So the first thing as a sergeant, if you have an inmate that's crisis bed, go on Psalms and look him up and look at his behavior pattern, see if he's ever tried to commit suicide and then kind of look up his notes to see how many times he's been crisis-bid. 01:12:45.822 --> 01:12:47.533 So you have an idea of what you're dealing with. 01:12:47.533 --> 01:12:59.984 And then when you do a mental health crisis-bid, you have a licensed psychologist, you have an RN, and then you you're the only person there from the custody side and the three of you go into the area. 01:12:59.984 --> 01:13:15.658 The psychologist will ask some questions and she does her mental health assessment and then the RN evaluates him for any type of injuries and then you, as custody, your role is to make sure he doesn't have any enemy or safety concerns on the yard, because most of these inmates will say I'm suicidal. 01:13:15.658 --> 01:13:22.115 So that way they can go to a holding cell and they can say hey, bro, I'm no good on the yard, like you got to get me out of here. 01:13:25.909 --> 01:13:28.335 I owe homeboy uh fucking 86 soups and he's gonna fuck me up. 01:13:28.335 --> 01:13:29.377 Yeah, so I gotta go. 01:13:29.377 --> 01:13:34.516 And me I was always the kind of supervisor at the time like if you created yourself in depth. 01:13:34.516 --> 01:13:36.261 You clean up your own mess, I ain't gonna help you out. 01:13:36.261 --> 01:13:38.194 Worse shit, oh 100 that's all you. 01:13:38.654 --> 01:13:41.730 But you know, if you had serious issues, yeah, I'd help you out, but that's how. 01:13:41.730 --> 01:13:45.100 That's how the um, mental crisis bid or CIT shit goes. 01:13:45.100 --> 01:13:47.814 They evaluate them. 01:13:47.814 --> 01:13:49.978 Most of the time you're waiting on a psychologist to get there. 01:13:49.978 --> 01:14:02.545 Depending on who the psychologist is, they'll either send them or they won't, but either way, after they leave, it's your responsibility to get that inmate back to the building or to wherever he's going to go. 01:14:02.545 --> 01:14:07.221 And that's kind of where it becomes our issue and we get, you know, battered, assaulted. 01:14:07.221 --> 01:14:08.896 That's how I got battered on 3B one time. 01:14:10.871 --> 01:14:17.779 Could you explain what a medical emergency cell entry is and when one would need to transpire? 01:14:18.810 --> 01:14:20.176 Yeah, so people get it confused. 01:14:20.176 --> 01:14:24.835 You know, you have your controlled use of force, which is your big extraction where you have to set everything up. 01:14:24.835 --> 01:14:28.199 You have your medical cell entries and your emergency cell entries. 01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:36.956 Um, so for what did you say A medical, yeah, emergency cell entry. 01:14:36.975 --> 01:14:38.824 So for an emergency cell entry, I mean it's going to be, it has to be an emergency. 01:14:38.824 --> 01:14:43.216 So, uh, your officer observes the inmate down, uh, doesn't appear to be breathing or whatever. 01:14:43.216 --> 01:14:47.755 Or if an inmate boards up and you can't see anything in his cell, those ones are the fucked up ones. 01:14:47.755 --> 01:14:52.054 It's your responsibility to make sure the inmate is live and breathing. 01:14:52.054 --> 01:14:54.621 So we would do an emergency cell entry. 01:14:54.621 --> 01:14:59.198 And you got to be careful with those, because most inmates will set you up just so you go in there. 01:15:00.341 --> 01:15:07.123 But with an emergency cell entry, if it's an ad sec setting, at least make sure your officers have the bare minimum a shield and a helmet. 01:15:07.123 --> 01:15:12.377 And most of those officers at Corcoran are good enough to where. 01:15:12.377 --> 01:15:15.925 If there's a situation, they'll deal with it themselves before I get there. 01:15:15.925 --> 01:15:23.663 But if it's like somebody we know that's going to be an issue, they'll call me hey, duran, so-and-so, he fucking boarded up, we're going to go in. 01:15:23.663 --> 01:15:27.494 So I start heading over there so we can assess. 01:15:27.494 --> 01:15:29.640 But with that, make sure your officers have a shield, a helmet. 01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:30.641 Rack the door. 01:15:30.641 --> 01:15:36.362 They go in there, uh, hold them down, cuff them up leg restraints, pull them out and then have medical evaluate them. 01:15:36.871 --> 01:15:44.891 But it doesn't always look that nice sometimes, you know no, because you're right, they'll play possum and they'll fight sometimes when the door opens. 01:15:45.653 --> 01:15:48.734 Yeah, oh, so real quick with medical cell entries. 01:15:48.734 --> 01:15:53.519 You know emergency cell entries, like I said, those can get real sketchy real quick. 01:15:53.519 --> 01:15:54.739 So I would always. 01:15:54.739 --> 01:16:01.024 You know, I'm not going to say fuck with inmates, but I try to work them as best I could. 01:16:01.024 --> 01:16:04.506 So, for instance, we had this dude that board up all the time. 01:16:05.146 --> 01:16:10.132 So the hey Durant, so-and-so's boarded up. 01:16:10.132 --> 01:16:11.417 I'm like all right, cool, just, I'll go over there in one minute. 01:16:11.417 --> 01:16:18.474 So I'd go up to the cell and I would go to the adjacent cell and I'd be like hey man, hey, is this your fucking mouse that's right here trying to come out. 01:16:18.474 --> 01:16:20.976 And then the dude would pop the thing to

look. 01:16:20.976 --> 01:16:24.400 Well, I just observed he's live and breathing, right, so we don't got to go in. 01:16:24.400 --> 01:16:26.844 And he'd be like mother, you tricked me. 01:16:26.844 --> 01:16:28.365 I'm like I didn't, I didn't tell you to look. 01:16:28.365 --> 01:16:33.913 But you know we would do shit like that because most of the time these guys are fucking around, they're not being serious. 01:16:34.935 --> 01:16:49.418 Um, you know, and if you guys, if you have an inmate boarding up as a supervisor, do your homework, pull them up on psalms and see how many extractions he's been in, see how many officers he's battered, because a lot of these dudes have battered 30, 40, 50 officers. 01:16:49.418 --> 01:16:52.918 Do you really think if he's boarded up he's going to be hurting himself? 01:16:52.918 --> 01:16:53.420 No, he's not. 01:16:53.420 --> 01:16:55.475 So try to build a rapport with that guy. 01:16:55.475 --> 01:16:59.970 You know what I mean To keep your officers safe, but yeah, those ones. 01:16:59.970 --> 01:17:00.832 They happen all the time. 01:17:00.832 --> 01:17:01.493 They happen all the time. 01:17:01.493 --> 01:17:02.713 They happen every day at Corcoran. 01:17:03.654 --> 01:17:12.882 Throughout this interview thus far you've mentioned a lot of ways to research, just like to gain knowledge, Like right now you just stated like hey, look up their SOM, See how much battery on peace officers they have. 01:17:12.882 --> 01:17:16.367 What are some other tips or tricks that you would look up? 01:17:16.367 --> 01:17:25.626 What are some advantages or stuff that COs are able to look up inmates in their own housing unit to get knowledge on the inmate? 01:17:27.411 --> 01:17:28.295 Yeah, just that right there. 01:17:28.295 --> 01:17:34.764 Like if you're an officer and you're having issues with inmates or you want to know what inmates are about, I usually just start with their disciplinary. 01:17:34.764 --> 01:17:36.175 I want to see what he's capable of. 01:17:36.175 --> 01:17:37.078 I want to see what he's done. 01:17:37.078 --> 01:17:40.634 If you suspect a guy of doing dope or passing dope, look him up. 01:17:40.634 --> 01:17:47.824 If he has a bunch of paraphernalia and drug stuff, well, yeah, you probably just observed him passing dope. 01:17:47.824 --> 01:17:51.070 But same thing with extractions. 01:17:51.091 --> 01:18:03.586 Before we do a controlled use of force, I would pull up an inmate's disciplinary and I would read his controlled use of forces to see whether he likes to gas staff, whether he likes to bite staff, if he likes to kick, whether he likes to use a weapon. 01:18:03.586 --> 01:18:06.881 Because the majority of inmates are going to do the same fucking thing over and over again. 01:18:06.881 --> 01:18:08.970 They kick you the same, they hit you the same. 01:18:08.970 --> 01:18:11.938 In an immediate situation you just react to what you know. 01:18:11.938 --> 01:18:15.552 So, the bare minimum, just review disciplinary. 01:18:16.975 --> 01:18:22.414 But on another note, like with inmates that are like suicidal or you know, you got lifers. 01:18:22.414 --> 01:18:29.260 You know, at all these places Some of these dudes get tired, right, and when they get tired they're done and they don't want to be there. 01:18:29.260 --> 01:18:42.659 So I would always try to look up, you know where they're from or who's visited them, just to kind of get a touch for them as a person, right, because I've had guys say, hey, dredd, I can't do this anymore, man, I'm fucking done. 01:18:42.659 --> 01:18:45.561 I I've had guys say, dredd, I can't do this anymore, man, I'm fucking done, I'm going to, I'm done, dude. 01:18:45.561 --> 01:18:46.302 And I knew what they meant. 01:18:46.302 --> 01:18:46.863 You know what I mean. 01:18:46.863 --> 01:18:50.086 Dude tried to kill himself twice already and he's like Dredd, just let me be. 01:18:50.086 --> 01:19:09.380 And so I'd look up his family, see what he's about, and you know and I'm not saying this is the right thing to do, but this is just something that I did though you're here, like you could still be riding him, you could still be trying to communicate with him. 01:19:09.380 --> 01:19:11.474 You know he'd rather have you here than not here. 01:19:11.895 --> 01:19:14.789 And we're both we're both former lieutenants, bro. 01:19:14.789 --> 01:19:19.894 It would not be in the wrong to allow the dude to make a phone call home or to a family member. 01:19:20.333 --> 01:19:22.055 I'm telling you you said it, dude. 01:19:22.055 --> 01:19:23.015 I've done that twice. 01:19:23.015 --> 01:19:26.557 Where a dude hit a rock bottom, he's down 16 years. 01:19:26.557 --> 01:19:30.081 His lady finalized the divorce paperwork. 01:19:30.081 --> 01:19:31.341 Dude has no hope. 01:19:31.341 --> 01:19:32.783 You know what I mean. 01:19:32.783 --> 01:19:35.545 And just because you're fucking wearing green doesn't mean you can't be real. 01:19:35.984 --> 01:19:37.907 Yeah, it's like hey, dude, pull him out of the phone. 01:19:37.907 --> 01:19:39.046 Right there, man, Make a call. 01:19:40.649 --> 01:19:43.615 And I'd be like hey, man, it's cool, you want to talk to your mom Really? 01:19:43.615 --> 01:19:45.559 Yeah, man, I'll give you a call right now. 01:19:45.559 --> 01:19:47.863 Whole mentality changes. 01:19:47.863 --> 01:19:48.344 You know what I mean. 01:19:50.110 --> 01:19:53.199 Now what I just said was hey, you're not in the wrong to. 01:19:53.199 --> 01:20:01.990 If an inmate is feeling down and out at the end of his freaking ropes man to give the dude a phone call, let him call somebody that fucking actually cares or loves about him, right, yeah. 01:20:01.990 --> 01:20:10.277 But I want you to balance the scale, and where it starts to become unrealistic when you have inmates wilding out out of control and now you're rewarding bad behavior. 01:20:10.550 --> 01:20:11.694 Man, I was thinking that before. 01:20:11.694 -->

01:20:14.056 You said it too, so you got to understand it. 01:20:14.056 --> 01:20:18.097 If you're a newer officer or an officer, you don't reward bad behavior. 01:20:18.097 --> 01:20:23.912 I'm not going to go give an inmate a fucking phone call just because he's asked me 22 times. 01:20:23.912 --> 01:20:25.125 I'm not going to go give an inmate a fucking phone call just because he's asked me 22 times. 01:20:25.125 --> 01:20:25.970 You know what I mean. 01:20:25.990 --> 01:20:30.421 You don't bend the rules for people just because they're trying to fucking game you. 01:20:30.421 --> 01:20:36.298 If somebody has something coming and you know you want to do something right and you're in the position to do something right, honor it. 01:20:36.298 --> 01:20:38.355 But you don't bend the rules. 01:20:38.355 --> 01:20:45.600 You don't just start giving up the house for no fucking reason and it creates a lot of issues that you don't see yet. 01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:55.094 And even for OGs that run housing units and they just let the whole fucking house go, it's like that unit is a representation of yourself. 01:20:55.094 --> 01:20:57.319 So everybody that walks in there knows you're fucking weak, you're lazy, you don't care. 01:20:57.319 --> 01:20:59.671 And every new officer that's what you're showing them. 01:20:59.671 --> 01:21:09.180 So if you're a new officer and you're like man I don't know any better So-and-so allows them to jump on the phones all the time or to smoke on the benches. 01:21:09.180 --> 01:21:14.945 I guess I have to allow that too, and that's why we get a lot of shitty cops is because you know monkeys, see, monkeys do. 01:21:14.945 --> 01:21:25.715 So it's like for you officers that are 5, 10 years. 01:21:25.734 --> 01:21:28.649 In my opinion, you guys are the most knowledgeable and the most valuable because you can be that officer that you wish you had when you were new. 01:21:28.649 --> 01:21:33.203 You could show them all the things that you wish you would have shown, been shown. 01:21:33.203 --> 01:21:34.247 You could do all that. 01:21:34.247 --> 01:21:34.869 You know everything. 01:21:34.869 --> 01:21:38.872 You know enough now to where you know what's right from wrong and you know how to talk to inmates. 01:21:38.872 --> 01:21:47.720 So, like on the flip side, if you were just to give knowledge, share knowledge, to these kids, these newer officers, I think it would just change the whole mentality. 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:50.122 Man, well, how huge is mentoring? 01:21:50.122 --> 01:21:51.783 It's huge. 01:21:51.783 --> 01:21:57.627 You know what I mean, that's, you know they created that whole Sergeant Mentoring Program and it started off good and it went to shit. 01:21:57.627 --> 01:22:02.135 But you know we all need a mentor. 01:22:02.175 --> 01:22:19.470 you know you mentioned the Sergeant sergeant mentoring program, but I'm talking about partners on the yard, shoulder to shoulder, back against the wall how critical and vital is it for to run scenarios to with each other, communicate hey, so and so, fucking so, and so he owes money, so and so he got bad news, right? 01:22:19.470 --> 01:22:20.555 How important is it to fucking talk amongst partners? 01:22:20.555 --> 01:22:22.239 That's a big deal, and I've heard officers say this oh, I don't talk to inmates. 01:22:22.239 --> 01:22:22.841 I don't talk to inmates. 01:22:22.841 --> 01:22:23.304 That means you, right? 01:22:23.304 --> 01:22:23.786 How important is it? 01:22:23.805 --> 01:22:24.467 to fucking talk amongst partners. 01:22:24.467 --> 01:22:24.849 That's a big deal. 01:22:24.849 --> 01:22:28.247 And I've heard officers say this oh, I don't talk to inmates, I don't talk to inmates. 01:22:28.247 --> 01:22:31.155 That means you don't know your fucking inmates and you don't know your yard. 01:22:31.155 --> 01:22:33.181 Like we don't run shit. 01:22:33.181 --> 01:22:34.171 Those inmates run everything. 01:22:34.171 --> 01:22:36.478 We're just there and there's a mutual respect. 01:22:36.478 --> 01:22:41.936 For instance, when I was a yard sergeant, every inmate that came out had to see me. 01:22:41.936 --> 01:22:47.015 So they'd come out and I would direct them and all the officers would pat them down, but they had to see me first. 01:22:47.015 --> 01:22:54.141 They had to walk out of the what do you call this little controlled area out of the building, the rotunda? 01:22:54.141 --> 01:22:57.237 Yeah, they'd walk out of the rotunda, were you guys releasing one building at a time? 01:22:57.256 --> 01:22:58.913 Yeah, so they'd walk out of the rotunda. 01:22:58.913 --> 01:23:05.243 I was standing right there, okay, and then I would direct them to go to the left and you have like five to ten officers lined up against the wall Right. 01:23:05.243 --> 01:23:08.350 So why I'm saying this is every—. 01:23:08.350 --> 01:23:09.960 Would they come out in their boxers and without a shirt? 01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:14.500 Yeah, for a while yeah, because I had a warden yell at the cops for making the inmates do that. 01:23:14.500 --> 01:23:15.980 He said the cops were humiliating him. 01:23:16.489 --> 01:23:20.121 He's probably never—he didn't come up as a cop Well he did. 01:23:26.569 --> 01:23:26.930 Oh, oh shit. 01:23:26.930 --> 01:23:30.337 Yeah, you know, um, this was right after, right after they brutally stabbed two fucking cops and almost killed him, bro. 01:23:30.377 --> 01:23:35.681 A week later, dude, when I went to 3b and I was a yard sergeant for one day, I was so scared out of my mind. 01:23:35.681 --> 01:23:37.368 They're like, hey, duran, you're the yard sergeant. 01:23:37.368 --> 01:23:38.456 I said, yeah, I'm just here for the day. 01:23:38.456 --> 01:23:40.269 Like you know what happened to the last yard sergeant? 01:23:40.269 --> 01:23:42.073 Right, I was like no man. 01:23:42.073 --> 01:23:42.796 They're like well, he's out. 01:23:42.796 --> 01:23:45.042 He got socked in the face, knocked him out cold.

01:23:45.042 --> 01:23:53.358 I was like when Yesterday I was like, do I got to be right there for yard? 01:23:53.358 --> 01:23:54.961 They're like, yeah, and it was real active. 01:23:54.961 --> 01:23:55.643 It was level four SMY. 01:23:55.643 --> 01:24:00.916 The two fivers were running the fucking yard, but they wanted to assault staff. 01:24:00.916 --> 01:24:04.072 You know what I mean wanted to assault staff. 01:24:04.072 --> 01:24:04.613 You know what they did? 01:24:04.613 --> 01:24:05.798 Oh, yeah, I think they had a little green light on staff. 01:24:05.798 --> 01:24:06.280 What was their motive? 01:24:06.280 --> 01:24:06.643 Fuck, I don't know. 01:24:06.643 --> 01:24:11.699 I was so new to that facility, I just knew a lot of people were getting battered and assaulted, but that was what they told me. 01:24:11.699 --> 01:24:14.037 They say that that last sergeant he got fucking, did you guys? 01:24:14.056 --> 01:24:15.543 have avss and body one camera. 01:24:15.543 --> 01:24:20.434 No, not at the time, nothing okay um, back to your question. 01:24:20.614 --> 01:24:23.297 Um, I made it a point to address every inmate. 01:24:23.297 --> 01:24:25.440 Hey, good, good morning, good morning, how you doing, good morning. 01:24:25.440 --> 01:24:30.130 I got a feel for everybody's tone and most of your inmates you know. 01:24:30.130 --> 01:24:31.534 Hey, what's up, dredd, what's up what's up. 01:24:31.534 --> 01:24:35.112 And then the guys that don't talk, you know, but you get a feel for them. 01:24:35.112 --> 01:24:35.932 You know what I mean. 01:24:35.932 --> 01:24:50.328 And if a guy came out wearing glasses I never wore glasses Well, I know he probably got two fucking shiners, or a guy that puts his head down and usually talks to me, I know he's probably having a bad day and it kind of lets me know oh, maybe something's wrong with this dude or maybe I got to watch out for this dude. 01:24:50.328 --> 01:24:53.658 But yeah, you got to make it a point to talk to these inmates. 01:24:53.658 --> 01:24:55.717 Like, communication is where everything starts. 01:24:56.671 --> 01:25:19.315 With that being said, man, a lot of these newer breeds and I need to make this fucking clear, man, I'm not putting a blanket statement or labeling a whole generation yeah, but it almost seemed like as a newer generation came to work, they considered it more of a job than a career, meaning they weren't putting in the effort to do their research and learn the yard and learn their inmates. 01:25:19.315 --> 01:25:25.435 Yeah, um, could you explain how important it is to treat it like a career? 01:25:25.435 --> 01:25:27.442 Maybe because your life fucking depends on it? 01:25:28.689 --> 01:25:35.344 Yeah, you got to understand like the person you don't like, the person you don't talk to, could possibly be having to save your life one day. 01:25:35.344 --> 01:25:50.025 Like you could be in a scuffle with an inmate, you could have to do an extraction, you could have to escort somebody, and that person that you know you want to shine off or act like you're better than that person can be fucking you know getting busy with you one day. 01:25:50.025 --> 01:25:57.015 So you got to understand like you really got to have that camaraderie. 01:25:57.015 --> 01:25:58.481 You have to understand that it's a marathon, it's not a sprint. 01:25:58.481 --> 01:26:06.122 You're going to be doing it for a long time and you're going to have, you know, your good days, your bad days and days you want to quit, but you just got to keep fucking pushing. 01:26:06.122 --> 01:26:06.762 You know what I mean. 01:26:06.762 --> 01:26:11.797 But it ain't no job, it's a whole career and it could be a good career if you make it one Facts. 01:26:12.591 --> 01:26:15.375 But there's a lot of wolves out there, and I'm not just talking about inmates. 01:26:15.375 --> 01:26:17.778 Right, you have to figure out how to be a sheepdog. 01:26:17.778 --> 01:26:29.354 You know that's something that takes time. 01:26:29.354 --> 01:26:30.679 I never fully figured it out, but that's what I looked up to. 01:26:30.679 --> 01:26:31.804 You know that's what you mentioned mentors. 01:26:31.804 --> 01:26:34.673 I had a lot of good mentors that guided me and I looked up to and my goal was to be like them one day. 01:26:34.673 --> 01:26:37.381 But you know my, my career got cut short, but yeah. 01:26:38.890 --> 01:26:51.938 How important, and can you give some report writing tips, especially from a fucking former lieutenant bro that was putting together incident packets Like what kind of shit is required per dom and what kind of shit were officers leaving out? 01:26:53.350 --> 01:27:02.462 You know, it really just depends, like for starting off, writing you got to understand corrections is very, very detailed. 01:27:02.462 --> 01:27:04.878 You got to explain a lot more shit than most police officers. 01:27:04.878 --> 01:27:12.003 You have to be down to the T with what type of arm you used, what you did, how he landed. 01:27:12.003 --> 01:27:13.972 You explain so much shit. 01:27:13.972 --> 01:27:14.835 It's stupid. 01:27:14.835 --> 01:27:38.162 But just for the bare minimum, when you get to work or you're working a building and you start looking up inmates, look up their disciplinary and look up some of your biggest stuff, the biggest things that you're going to deal with is you're going to have a fighting and you're going to have batteries and then you're going to have your medical emergencies that could turn into a, an incident. 01:27:38.162 --> 01:27:41.252 But just start reading those reports, reading those reports. 01:27:41.252 --> 01:27:43.100 Talk to your dispo officer. 01:27:43.100 --> 01:27:45.971 Your dispo officer is dealing with reports all day long. 01:27:46.833 --> 01:27:51.449 Um, and just what I did for me is I created a template just to make it easy. 01:27:51.449 --> 01:27:54.537 Even as an officer, I'm like I don't like using my baton. 01:27:54.537

--> 01:27:56.341 I like to pepper spray people. 01:27:56.341 --> 01:28:06.778 So let me figure out my distance, let me figure out how they're writing and just kind of create a little template for yourself, because you know what you're going to probably do the majority of the time. 01:28:06.778 --> 01:28:09.610 If you're not a baton guy, well, you're probably not going to use a baton. 01:28:09.610 --> 01:28:14.280 If you're a pepper spray guy or you're hands-on, review those two things right there. 01:28:14.280 --> 01:28:22.122 Um, you know physical reports, uh, um, pepper spray stuff, distance, um. 01:28:22.122 --> 01:28:26.270 But yeah, as far as like managers, there's a lot of stuff that they're looking for. 01:28:27.193 --> 01:28:30.819 Uh, closed body searches. 01:28:30.819 --> 01:28:31.980 Unclosed body searches. 01:28:31.980 --> 01:28:37.520 Searches of the holding cell decontamination yeah, all the repetitive stuff. 01:28:37.581 --> 01:28:51.654 You know, my my first controlled use of force, you know I don't know what the fuck I was doing, but there's so much stuff involved, so much policy and I'm just like damn, but you know, but there has whatever any type of incidents already been done in prison. 01:28:51.654 --> 01:28:52.398 You just got to look it up. 01:28:52.398 --> 01:29:01.511 You know there ain't nothing that we haven't done so well, except for the, the uh delano escape cedar hernandez oh yeah, that was kind of a new one that's different. 01:29:01.612 --> 01:29:02.373 It's kind of a wobbler. 01:29:02.373 --> 01:29:06.903 Yeah yeah, I don't know about that one, A wild card man, which resulted in a death too Son of a bitch. 01:29:06.903 --> 01:29:10.300 But so that's report writing. 01:29:10.300 --> 01:29:18.023 What other tips would you give COs embarking on this career field? 01:29:20.211 --> 01:29:24.001 You know, at one time you used to have to be somewhat physically fit for corrections. 01:29:24.001 --> 01:29:24.662 It was mandatory. 01:29:24.662 --> 01:29:26.417 You did like your physical once a year, I think. 01:29:26.417 --> 01:29:31.412 Now they just pay you for it, which is crazy, but this is going to be your career, so you got to understand. 01:29:31.412 --> 01:29:43.037 The majority of time, yeah, you're going to be sitting on your ass and it's going to be very mental, right, you're going to struggle mentally than physically, but you have to be physically fit. 01:29:43.037 --> 01:29:46.271 In my opinion, like, but you have to. 01:29:46.271 --> 01:29:48.903 You have to be physically fit, in my opinion, like the majority of people that are physically fit or disciplined. 01:29:48.903 --> 01:29:53.362 You know the majority of corrections are not physically fit and then they lack discipline and it just trickles down from there. 01:29:54.045 --> 01:30:01.211 But I mean, if this is something you want to do and you want to be a correctional officer, try to get in some type of good workout routine. 01:30:01.632 --> 01:30:20.137

Try to get into some type of basic martial arts, like you got to know how, to the bare minimum of fighting at least, and I don't mean to say that in like a you know derogatory or like bad way, but you might have to save or help your partner out in a situation and you don't want to be that guy trying to figure out how to fight in the middle of that situation. 01:30:20.358 --> 01:30:26.831 Right, um, figure out how to like, like, carry yourself, like. 01:30:26.831 --> 01:30:36.323 Command presence is a big deal in prison and when you hit a yard or you hit a building, you're going to have 100 or 200 dudes looking you up, sizing you up, looking at how you wear your belt. 01:30:36.323 --> 01:30:43.264 And it all starts with command presence, with being dressed properly, with carrying yourself properly. 01:30:43.264 --> 01:30:46.231 All the little stuff that you don't think about. 01:30:46.231 --> 01:30:49.485 Those those little things you have to develop on your own. 01:30:49.485 --> 01:31:10.738 But if you're thinking about getting into it, figure out some type of basic workout routine that works for you, maybe looking at some basic martial arts and, um, understand, you're going to be uncomfortable a whole lot in your career, like you're going gonna always feel uncomfortable every day you show up, bro even at the pad wondering, fuck, did I do that? 01:31:10.978 --> 01:31:17.770 yeah, did I do that yeah, like, as an officer, you're gonna be uncomfortable with situations, with your surroundings and inmates. 01:31:17.770 --> 01:31:23.131 As a supervisor, as a manager, you're uncomfortable with paperwork you submitted or fucking incidents you cleared. 01:31:23.131 --> 01:31:39.855 You know you're like oh shit, um, you're always going to be uncomfortable, but you have to try to figure out how to be comfortable being uncomfortable right, I could say it that way but um well, that'll bring you to, and you mentioned mental health, uh, positive coping skills, man. 01:31:39.916 --> 01:31:48.487 How important is it for a law enforcement officer to have a life outside of the job and positive coping skills? 01:31:49.108 --> 01:31:49.569 It's huge. 01:31:49.569 --> 01:31:50.430 It's huge man. 01:31:50.430 --> 01:32:06.759 You have to like I don't really know how to say this, but I mean I think every guy's probably done this You're going to reach a point in your career where you hit a low and you hit a wall and you're going to feel isolated and alone and you're going to try to reach out to somebody. 01:32:06.759 --> 01:32:11.060 You're going to call somebody and you're not even going to know what to say. 01:32:11.060 --> 01:32:15.878 You're just going to call somebody because you know you need help, whether it's your brother, whether it's a friend, whoever. 01:32:15.878 --> 01:32:20.359 The majority of the time we will never say anything. 01:32:21.121 --> 01:32:24.936 You know, because there's been a couple of times I've called people just because I needed to talk,

but anything. 01:32:24.936 --> 01:32:29.565 You know because there's been a couple of times I've called people just because I needed to talk but I didn't know what to say. 01:32:29.565 --> 01:32:30.748 You know I'm thinking fuck, what do I say? 01:32:30.748 --> 01:32:33.814 What do I say when somebody calls you? 01:32:33.814 --> 01:32:34.400 That is law enforcement or in corrections. 01:32:34.400 --> 01:32:37.448 If they call you at two in the fucking morning, I'm not talking about a Sancho girl, I'm talking about like a dude calling another dude. 01:32:37.448 --> 01:32:42.595 If somebody calls you, understand that they're calling you for a reason. 01:32:42.595 --> 01:32:44.877 Honestly, it's a cry for help. 01:32:44.877 --> 01:32:50.363 So, fucking, if they're not talking, try to talk to them, try to listen to them, try to be there for them. 01:32:50.363 --> 01:32:59.252 I've had a few people call me, text me in the middle of the night and I knew they needed something. 01:32:59.271 --> 01:33:00.092 I just didn't understand at the time. 01:33:00.092 --> 01:33:03.880 You know what I mean and I feel like the majority of us are so isolated and don't know how to talk. 01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:08.876 We have to be there for each other, like we have to be able to say what's up, man, nothing. 01:33:08.876 --> 01:33:15.113 And I I knew just being there with that person was all he needed. 01:33:15.113 --> 01:33:22.251 Right, I didn't need to talk, I didn't need to fucking uh, you know, be a pastor, fucking priest. 01:33:22.251 --> 01:33:32.814 You know I didn't need to nothing, I just needed to be there with him in the moment and I did, and you know it helped him lift whatever shit he had going on at the time. 01:33:32.814 --> 01:33:35.476 And you know those kind of things are big. 01:33:35.476 --> 01:33:46.261 You know I've seen a lot of horrible things and people take their life and stuff and I think we need to understand, like we need to help each other out as much as we can. 01:33:46.440 --> 01:33:48.381 Like we're battling our own demons. 01:33:48.381 --> 01:33:49.622 We're fucked up in the head. 01:33:49.622 --> 01:33:55.744 You know you're not working at a bank where you're eight to four signing checks off whatever. 01:33:55.744 --> 01:33:58.466 No, you're working in an area that's dark, that's cold. 01:33:58.466 --> 01:34:00.707 You're going to be immune to seeing fights. 01:34:00.707 --> 01:34:03.208 You're going to be immune to seeing blood, dead bodies bro. 01:34:03.208 --> 01:34:04.956 Yeah, people kill themselves. 01:34:04.956 --> 01:34:06.332 That whole asuna thing was a mess. 01:34:06.875 --> 01:34:11.847 uh, overdoses hangings yeah, well, I went when asuna did all that. 01:34:11.847 --> 01:34:16.439 Um, he went into r&r and I talked to him for a minute and I remember him I was amen, you good. 01:34:16.439 --> 01:34:19.520 He's like, oh, I'm just tired, what the fuck bro? 01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:20.805 You know how disgusting that is. 01:34:20.805 --> 01:34:21.689 I was like goddamn. 01:34:21.689 --> 01:34:27.360 But you know, to us that's normal, right, and I'm sitting there eating my fucking Smucker's BB and J sandwich, right. 01:34:27.360 --> 01:34:32.520 Like oh, okay, that's cool, but you walk away and these little things they kind of build up in your head over time. 01:34:32.520 --> 01:34:34.190 But yeah, man. 01:34:34.230 --> 01:34:35.231 Well, what it does? 01:34:35.231 --> 01:34:41.779 It desensitizes you and in turn, and in my case, it affects your relationship with your spouse. 01:34:41.940 --> 01:34:42.301 Man. 01:34:42.301 --> 01:34:43.502 Yeah, 100%. 01:34:43.502 --> 01:34:46.992 People say, hey, I'm worried about so-and-so when they go to work. 01:34:46.992 --> 01:34:48.515 No, worry about him when he goes home. 01:34:48.515 --> 01:34:53.237 Worry about him when he's at the house and he's isolating himself and he's not talking to his kids. 01:34:53.237 --> 01:34:59.860 That's when he needs the most help, because he shouldn't be just by himself and he's not going to feel comfortable to talk. 01:34:59.860 --> 01:35:01.993 But that's you as a partner, man or woman. 01:35:01.993 --> 01:35:08.127 You got to talk to your partner, you got to help your partner because he doesn't really understand how to deal with what he's dealing with. 01:35:08.127 --> 01:35:09.793 And it starts there at the house. 01:35:09.793 --> 01:35:11.462 You know what I mean, which is normal. 01:35:11.521 --> 01:35:19.292 It's normal for people not to understand what they're initially experiencing, but I mean, that's why we have these platforms and people like you come on and explain these situations. 01:35:19.432 --> 01:35:23.018 Yeah, I've learned a lot from you, man, and I try to pick my head up and keep trucking. 01:35:23.018 --> 01:35:26.703 And you know there's a lot of negativity, a lot of people put me down and shit on me my whole career. 01:35:26.703 --> 01:35:32.989 But I always just kind of told myself like I want to be the person that's going to be able to help somebody any way I can. 01:35:32.989 --> 01:35:35.353 And you've been doing that, dude. 01:35:35.353 --> 01:35:38.895 I've been trying, you know, and little by little I get little feedback. 01:35:38.895 --> 01:35:41.057 Hey, alex, thanks for doing this, thanks for doing that. 01:35:41.057 --> 01:35:48.506 And like me mentally, um, you know I struggle with depression and anxiety, but being able to help somebody as a man like that makes me feel good. 01:35:48.506 --> 01:35:54.712 You know, I feel honored to do that and I'm not helping it like the whole world, but if I could help one person, dude, man, it's huge. 01:35:54.851 --> 01:35:59.561 so you're on tiktok, man, you're on tiktok under corrections unlocked. 01:35:59.561 --> 01:36:01.612 Yeah, yeah, corrections unlocked. 01:36:01.612 --> 01:36:07.543 And I actually my manager, he's the one that books these studios and I told you, man, he sent me your screenshot. 01:36:07.543

--> 01:36:19.909 I'm like fuck, I know that dude, I've watched his videos and I appreciate your get down, bro, your style, the way you present yourself and the tips that you give the public, man, especially these new cops. 01:36:19.909 --> 01:36:22.259 So where can they find you? 01:36:22.259 --> 01:36:25.119 What kind of content can they expect from you on there? 01:36:26.091 --> 01:36:37.681 You know, when I started the whole thing, I was just trying to give tips to help people out with things that I've experienced and issues that I've struggled with, and it was just to kind of just show you like hey, this didn't work for me, this is what I recommend. 01:36:37.681 --> 01:36:41.458 And when I first started, like, it was just full of negative who the fuck are you? 01:36:41.458 --> 01:36:42.421 You don't know anything. 01:36:42.421 --> 01:36:45.234 And negative who the fuck are you? 01:36:45.234 --> 01:36:45.775 You don't know anything. 01:36:45.775 --> 01:36:46.760 Stop trying to act like you know it all. 01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:48.686 But not once did I ever talk about like what I've done or who I am. 01:36:48.686 --> 01:36:49.751 That's not my get down. 01:36:49.751 --> 01:36:51.916 I've always just wanted to help. 01:36:52.516 --> 01:36:56.372 And so I started doing that, started doing that and then I had my whole issue at work. 01:36:56.372 --> 01:36:58.796 So for three months I just hit a wall. 01:36:58.796 --> 01:37:05.064 I didn't record, I didn't do anything, and a few people reached out to me and said hey D, just because you don't work there doesn't mean you can't talk about it. 01:37:05.064 --> 01:37:15.262 So I did a couple videos and started getting a lot of views and it turned into a real positive thing, not only for people but for myself. 01:37:15.262 --> 01:37:16.195 You know what I mean. 01:37:16.195 --> 01:37:17.208 It makes me feel good to help people out. 01:37:17.208 --> 01:37:20.257 But yeah, it's Corrections Unlocked. 01:37:20.257 --> 01:37:25.180 Alex Duran is my name and I just started a little YouTube page a couple months ago. 01:37:25.180 --> 01:37:26.956 I'm still trying to figure out how to do all that. 01:37:28.390 --> 01:37:29.234 What's the handle on that? 01:37:30.730 --> 01:37:32.916 You know, I just haven't figured out the whole recording stuff. 01:37:32.916 --> 01:37:33.337 Don't worry, man. 01:37:33.438 --> 01:37:34.359 We'll talk about it offline. 01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:35.322 We'll get you going dude. 01:37:35.550 --> 01:37:36.675 But just Corrections Unlocked. 01:37:36.675 --> 01:37:41.976 That's my name on TikTok, on YouTube and Instagram. 01:37:41.976 --> 01:37:43.059 I just made an Instagram account. 01:37:43.059 --> 01:37:44.060 Hell, yeah, bro. 01:37:44.060 --> 01:37:45.101 Yeah, I got six followers. 01:37:45.603 --> 01:37:47.284 Fuck, yeah, man, that's where you start, dude. 01:37:47.284 --> 01:37:49.275 Yeah, this is a lengthy process, man. 01:37:49.275 --> 01:37:52.297 It's daily and, like you said, it's all about helping and giving back. 01:37:52.418 --> 01:38:03.280 Yeah, you know I just record to record, but you know, talking to like therapists here and there they're like, hey, why don't you just talk about things that you know and things that you like to do if it helps you out? 01:38:03.280 --> 01:38:06.264 So I stepped out of my comfort zone to do that Cause. 01:38:06.264 --> 01:38:07.765 Honestly, dude, I'm a quiet person. 01:38:07.765 --> 01:38:13.500 I'm kind of weird and goofy, um sort of put myself on a, on a camera and talk. 01:38:13.500 --> 01:38:14.882 I was like what the fuck am I doing? 01:38:14.882 --> 01:38:15.953 You get used to it, dude. 01:38:16.113 --> 01:38:31.402 Yeah, so it turned into a positive thing for me, but yeah, you could you could hit me up or reach out or watch my stuff on tiktok on corrections unlocked cool man. 01:38:31.402 --> 01:38:31.791 Well, I want to thank you, dude, for coming down here. 01:38:31.676 --> 01:38:33.363 Bro, I was a long drive man and sharing a lot of fucking wealth and experience and knowledge. 01:38:33.250 --> 01:38:33.635 Dude I appreciate it, hector. 01:38:33.635 --> 01:38:34.180 Appreciate the opportunity man. 01:38:34.180 --> 01:38:34.471 Anytime, bro, hit me up. 01:38:34.471 --> 01:38:35.503 You got my number and we'll chop it up. 01:38:35.503 --> 01:38:36.123 Dude, cool. 01:38:36.123 --> 01:38:38.445 Well, there you guys have it. 01:38:38.445 --> 01:38:39.869 Folks, man, you guys asked for. 01:38:39.869 --> 01:38:41.774 You want to hear more people from cdcr? 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