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Welcome to Grown Plants Grown People, the podcast where we discover that the principles which help gardens flourish are often the very same principles that help people grow.
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And together, we're exploring one of the most fascinating gardens of all.
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The human mind.
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In our last episode, we explored a really important principle.
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Programming creates beliefs.
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And that raises an important question.
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If programming creates what we come to believe.
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How does that programming get there in the first place?
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Think about something as simple as an unanswered phone call.
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One person might think, they're probably busy.
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They'll get back to me.
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Another might think, I wonder if I've upset them.
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And somebody else might immediately think, there we go, people always ignore me.
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Same one else at phone call.
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Three very different interpretations.
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So where did those differences come from?
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Perhaps the answer isn't only in what has just happened.
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Perhaps it has also something to do with what was already there.
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Because none of us experiences something new with an empty mind.
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We bring our previous experiences with us.
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The things we have learned.
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The things people have said to us.
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The conclusions we've reached.
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And the things we've repeatedly said to ourselves.
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And all of that can influence the way we make sense of what happens next.
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Which means if we want to understand why we think some of the things we think.
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And why some of those thoughts can feel so completely true?
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We need to understand how the information got there.
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How does an experience become something we remember?
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How does something somebody said or says become something we start to say ourselves?
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And how can something we've learned in the past influence the way we interpret something that's happening today?
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That's the conversation we're going to explore today.
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How the brain gets programmed.
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I'm Christian, and after more than 40 years in horticulture and over two decades of helping people build confidence, develop
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skills, and overcome limitations, I'm now also a certified self-talk trainer with the Self-Talk Institute and a certified coach, a life certified life coach with the LifeCoach Institute.
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Across those very different areas of my life and work, I've discovered one thing and one factor that influences almost everything else.
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The way we talk to ourselves.
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We now bring a shared professional foundation to the conversations we're having here.
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And we've exact and we've arrived at exactly the same conclusion.
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And that's why understanding the programming behind that conversation matters.
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They have a history.
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Some may have begun with something that somebody said to us.
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Some with an experience we add.
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Some with a conclusion we reached about what that experience meant.
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And some may have been repeated so many times that we no longer stop to question where they came from.
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We simply think that's me.
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That's what I'm like.
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That's what I believe.
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But if as we discovered in our last episode, programming creates beliefs, then perhaps we need to go back another step.
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And ask how the programming itself was created.
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Because understanding that process might help us recognize something really important.
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The voice we hear today may be carrying information that was collected yesterday or many years ago.
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And that brings us to a question at the heart of today's conversation.
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How does the brain take all those messages, experiences, and pieces of information and begin turning them into the programming we carry with us?
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Well, there is a wonderfully simple way of beginning to picture it.
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And it's one you've been particularly good at explaining, Daniel.
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Let's hear all about it.
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Yes.
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Do you mean the filing cabinet?
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Let's open the filing cabinet.
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Okay.
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Imagine for a moment that somewhere in your mind there's an enormous filing cabinet.
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How enormous are we talking, Daniel?
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Pretty enormous.
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Because this filing cabinet has been collecting information for a very long time.
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So what's in it?
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Experiences, things you've learned, things people have said to you, things you've seen, things you've heard, conclusions you've reached, and of course, things you've repeatedly said to yourself.
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And every day more information arrives.
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So the filing cabinet is never really sitting there doing nothing.
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Exactly.
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Because new information is continually coming in.
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And when it does, it doesn't arrive in isolation.
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Is that because there's something in the cabinet?
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Yes.
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Lots of things.
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So when that new piece of information arrives, one way of picturing what happens is that the brain starts looking for somewhere to file it.
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Like almost asking, what does this belong to?
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What does it belong with?
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Exactly.
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Have I experienced something like this before?
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What do I already know about this?
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What does this remind me of?
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Where does this fit?
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So, Daniel, we're not necessarily interpreting something new as though nothing has ever happened before.
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No.
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We're bringing what we've already learned to what we're experiencing now.
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And I suppose normally that's incredibly useful.
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It has to be.
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Because imagine, Christian, having to relearn everything from the beginning.
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Every time you encountered it.
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Oh, that sounds really heavy.
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I don't think I'm going to get very far if I've got to keep doing that.
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Exactly.
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What you've already learned helps you make sense of what comes next.
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But here's where it becomes particularly interesting for the conversation we're having.
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Is that because not everything stored in the filing cabinet is simply factual information?
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Ah, exactly.
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Some of it is information we've collected about ourselves.
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Ah, and when you explain it like that, Daniel, it takes me straight back to something from when I was actually studying in horticulture.
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When I was studying in horticulture at college, one of the things we had to learn was plant identification.
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And every week we were given 20 plants.
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20 every week.
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Every week.
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We had to
learn to recognize plants, each plant, we had to learn the botanical name, and then the following week we'd be tested on those 20 plants.
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Oh, and then you could just forget them.
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Um no, I don't think so, because as soon as we'd been tested on those 20.
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Oh, you got another 20.
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We did exactly, we had another 20, and then another 20 to learn the following week.
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And as I studied plant identification for four years, so think about that, four years.
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Um I've I've been thinking about what was happening during those four years.
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When I first started, my filing cabinet of plant identification was relatively small.
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But every week you were adding another set of files.
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That's exactly what was happening.
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Twenty plants, then another twenty plants, then another twenty plants, and gradually I was building up this mental filing cabinet of plants, botanical names, and identifying characteristics.
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Absolutely, I wasn't starting on an empty filing cabinet.
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Ah, you already had somewhere to go when you encountered a plant.
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Yes.
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And that's the really interesting part of this analogy, because as that knowledge grew, I became able to look at a plant I'd never encountered before and start making connections.
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What would you be looking for?
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Well, perhaps the shape of the leaves, how those leaves were arranged on the stem, the buds, the bark, the flowers, the overall habit of a plant, and all sorts of other characteristics.
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And presumably, some of those things would remind you of the plants you already knew.
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Exactly.
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I might not know what particular plant it was, but something about that might suggest a family, a plant family that I already recognized.
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So I'm looking at something new, but I'm making sense of the of using the information that I already had in my filing cabinet.
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Which is exactly the principle we're talking about.
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New information meeting existing information.
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And your plant filing cabinet obviously didn't stop growing when you left college.
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Nope.
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Because, you know, now that I've reached uh my own 40-year mark in horticulture, you know, and when I think about the amount of plant information I've accumulated over that time, the filing cabinet is enormous compared to the one that I had when I started.
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But even after 40 years, it's still not complete.
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No.
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And you know what, Daniel?
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I don't think it will ever be complete.
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Because even today, I am still learning new plants.
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Is that because horticulture itself keeps changing?
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Exactly.
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You know, plant breeders are continually introducing new cultivars.
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Okay.
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New plants are becoming available.
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Botanical change, botanical name, they change sometimes.
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Plants get reclassified, and occasionally I will come across um something that I've never simply encountered before.
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So, Christian, even with 40 years of information already stored.
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You got it, Daniel.
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There's new information that's still arriving.
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And when it arrives I've got those 40 years of existing plant knowledge to help me make sense of it.
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The filing cabinet keeps growing.
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The filing cabinet is never finished.
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And when we spoke to Dr.
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Shad Helmsteder, he explained where some of that programming can come from and the part our own self-talk begins to play in it.
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He takes us just one step further because he explains what can happen in the brain when those same thoughts are repeated again and again.
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So let's hear Dr.
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Shat explain it in his own words.
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When we want to change programs, and you recognize that thoughts are coded messages sent to your brain that tells it what to believe, what to think, and how to operate.
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And your brain doesn't have any choice.
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So if you have old programs that are the wrong programs, we get them from our parents, we get we get bad programs from friends or kids at school when we're growing up.
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We get bad programs today from social media, bad programs meaning programs that could work against us instead of support us and work for us.
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We get programs from the world around us, and then primarily our biggest, most powerful source of programs is our own self-talk.
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And if that's negative self-talk, we can get that self-talk and wire our brain in a very negative way.
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But and this is really important, because it's chemical, because it's physical wiring electrically and chemically in the brain, because our thoughts are converted to signals that wire and rewire neural pathways in the brain.
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And because we now understand from neuroscience that these thoughts that we thought went nowhere, because they're actually wiring our brain, once we realize that, then we understand, maybe for the first time, that no matter what programs we got, we can create new pathways.
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And then each time those same thoughts are repeated again and again, you travel over and over that same neural pathway.
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And each time you each time you walk down that pathway, you make it stronger and stronger and stronger, like like paving a road.
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Starts out as a small pathway, a dirt pathway, and then and then you walk over that pathway and it becomes deeper and stronger and wider, and and then you begin to pave it thought after thought after thought.
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And there's something really important in what Dr.
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Shad has just explained.
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We may receive programming from all sorts of places.
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Our parents, other people, our experiences, and the world around us.
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But eventually, one of the most powerful voices can become our own.
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And when the same thoughts are repeated again and again, Dr.
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Shad describes those pathways becoming stronger.
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Which brings us straight back to our filing cabinet.
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Because we're not only receiving information, we can also keep reinforcing some of what's already there.
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And that gives us a very useful way of coming back to our own programming.
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Because our own filing cabinet didn't stop receiving information either.
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And unlike my plant identification filing cabinet, not everything was there to be deliberately studied either.
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Ah, that's an important difference.
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I deliberately learned those twenty plants.
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But nobody sat us down every Monday morning and said, Right, here are the twenty things you're going to learn about yourself this week.
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And yet, Daniel, the information just still kept arriving.
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From parents, from teachers, from friends, other children.
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Successes.
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And those failures.
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Things people said.
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And things we decided those experiences meant.
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That's an important distinction.
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Absolutely, because something happening to us.
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And what we Conclude about ourselves because it happened, aren't necessarily the same things.
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Yeah.
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You struggle with a particular subject in school.
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And that's an experience.
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I'm stupid.
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And that's a conclusion.
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Or you don't get chosen for something.
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And that's an experience?
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Nobody wants me.
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And that's a conclusion.
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Ah, and once those conclusions enter the filing cabinet.
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They can be there when you next when your next experience actually arrives.
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And now we'll go back to that unanswered phone call, Daniel, that we mentioned at the beginning of the episode.
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Right, Christian.
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Because the unanswered call itself contains very little information.
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Yeah, the phone rang.
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They didn't answer.
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And that's what actually happened.
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But then the filing cabinet gets involved.
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And if my experience, my existing experience tells me people are generally reliable, they'll call when they can.
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Then I might barely think about it.
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But if there's already a file that says people ignore me, the same unanswered call can suddenly mean something completely different.
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There you go.
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It's happening again.
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I knew it.
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And notice what's happening.
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The new experience hasn't simply been filed.
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It's been interpreted through something that was already there.
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And then it can potentially become another piece of information that was added to the same file.
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Which helps us explain how programming can begin reinforcing itself.
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And then we reach another really important part of this process.
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Because eventually somebody doesn't necessarily give us the message.
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We can start doing it ourselves.
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Perhaps somebody once told you you're shy.
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Then another person said something similar.
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Then you found yourself uncomfortable in a social situation.
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And that seemed to confirm it.
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And eventually the words change.
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It becomes I'm shy.
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They may not even be a part of your life anymore.
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But the message hasn't disappeared.
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Because somewhere along the way.
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We took over the conversation.
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And that's where the language can begin to change in a really subtle way.
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From something that happened to something we believe describes us.
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I found that difficult.
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I'm no good at that.
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I made a mistake.
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It becomes I always make mistakes.
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I felt nervous.
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I'm not a confident person.
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And eventually That's just the way I am.
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Something that began as an experience.
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Has become a description.
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And something that has become a description can eventually begin to feel like a fact.
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Which takes us straight back to episode seven.
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Programming creates beliefs.
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So perhaps there's something worth listening for over the next few days.
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Not something you need to change.
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Not something you need to judge.
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Just something to notice.
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Listen for those little phrases you use to describe yourself.
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I'm just I've always been I'm no good at I never Or perhaps the one we've heard several times during this series.
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That's just the way I am.
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And when you hear one be curious.
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Where did that come from?
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Was there an experience?
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Something somebody said?
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Something you've repeated?
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Or perhaps a conclusion you reached a long time ago.
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You don't need to change the file today.
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Just notice that there is a file.
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And this is where I want to return one final time to that plant identification filing cabinet.
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Because forty years later, you're still adding to it.
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I am.
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And sometimes I'm doing more than just adding something new.
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Oh, you're updating something old.
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Exactly.
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A botanical name changes.
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A plant gets reclassified.
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New information becomes available.
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And when that happens, I don't say, well, that's what I learned thirty years ago.
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I'm sticking with it.
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No, you update the file.
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I update the file, Daniel.
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Oh, and that's an interesting thought.
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Because our programming has a history.
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But it also has a present.
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Information is still arriving.
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Experiences are still happening.
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And we're still learning.
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And we're still talking to ourselves.
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So perhaps one of the most important things we can take from today's conversation is this.
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The filing cabinet is never finished.
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And if it isn't finished, then perhaps what is already in there doesn't have to be the end of the story.
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If today's conversation has got you thinking about some of the programming you may have picked up along the way, you may also want to go back and explore some of the foundations we've been building throughout this podcast.
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And we've now made it much easier for you.
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Throughout our first six episodes, we created a reflection worksheet to accompany each conversation.
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And we've brought all six of those worksheets together in one place.
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The Growing Plants, Growing People Foundation Workbook.
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It's designed to help you work through those first six conversations at your own pace.
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To reflect on what you're discovering.
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And begin connecting with some of those ideas that we've been exploring to your own life.
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So whether you've been with us from episode one.
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Or you've just discovered grown plants, grown people.
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The workbook gives you a place to begin.
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And you'll find the details on how to get your free copy in the episode notes.
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And we have something else we'd like to offer you.
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Something a little more personal.
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And if you'd like to take what we've been exploring in the podcast and begin putting self-talk into practice for yourself, we've got another way to help you get started.
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We'd like to invite you to try the self-talk app.
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And as a listener to Growing Plants, Growing People, you can try it free for 30 days.
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But we also know that downloading an app and knowing how to make the best use of it are two different things.
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So we've created something specifically for our listeners.
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The Grown Plants, Grown People, Listener's Guide to the Self-Talk app.
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It's there to help you get started.
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And to help you understand how to begin using self-talk.
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And to make those first 30 days something you can actually explore and experience for yourself.
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Because throughout this podcast, we're going to continue exploring why the conversations we have with ourselves matter.
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But the app gives you an opportunity to begin experiencing self-talk for yourself.
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So if you'd like to give it a try, you'll find the listener's guide and details of your free 30-day trial in the episode notes.
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So we've discovered that our programming doesn't simply appear from nowhere.
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It develops through the information we receive.
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And the experiences we have.
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The conclusions we reach.
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And the things that we repeatedly say to ourselves.
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And as new experiences arrive, they don't necessarily arrive to an empty filing cabinet.
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They can be interpreted through information that's already there.
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And sometimes they can reinforce it.
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Which leaves us to the a very important question.
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Because some of those files may have been sitting there for a very long time.
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Some of those messages may have been repeated for years.
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Perhaps even decades.
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So if the brain has learned to think about something in a particular way, can it learn to think differently?
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That's an important question.
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Because without that possibility, understanding our programming would only take us so far.
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We might understand where a belief came from.
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We might recognize the experiences that helped create it.
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We might even begin to notice the self-taught that continue, that continues and continues to reinforce it.
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But we'd still be left asking: can any of it actually change?
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And that's where our next conversation takes us.
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To one of the most fascinating abilities of the human brain.
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Neuroplasticity.
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Neuroplasticity is the term used to describe the brain's ability to change and adapt.
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And in our next episode, we're going to take that word out of the textbook.
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And explores what it actually means for you and me?
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If experiences can help create programming?
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If repetition can strengthen it?
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What happens when we begin giving the brain something different?
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Can new patterns be created?
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Can old patterns become less influential?
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And what does the brain's ability to change tell us about the programming we've been carrying with us?
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And that's where we're going to next.
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Episode nine.
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Neuroplasticity explained.
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And perhaps that's the most important thing to remember.
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The filing cabinet is never finished.
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Remember, the most important conversation you'll ever have is the one you have with yourself.
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Make it count.